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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG of the IETF.

        Title           : IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases
        Author          : Jaehoon Paul Jeong
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07.txt
	Pages           : 34
	Date            : 2018-11-04

Abstract:
   This document discusses the problem statement and use cases on IP-
   based vehicular networks, which are considered a key component of
   Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS).  The main scenarios of
   vehicular communications are vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-
   infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-everything (V2X) communications.
   First, this document surveys use cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X
   networking.  Second, it analyzes proposed protocols for IP-based
   vehicular networking and highlights the limitations and difficulties
   found on those protocols.  Third, it presents a problem exploration
   for key aspects in IP-based vehicular networking, such as IPv6
   Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy.  For
   each key aspect, this document discusses a problem statement to
   evaluate the gap between the state-of-the-art techniques and
   requirements in IP-based vehicular networking.


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Hi Nabil,

Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no later than
today at 6PM).

Thanks!

Carlos

El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<benamar73@gmail.com>)
escribi=C3=B3:

> Hi Russ, All
>
> I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update the agenda
> with my name.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Best regards
> Nabil Benamar
> -------------------
> =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
> alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For the IP/OCB slot:
>>
>> Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the next IETF.
>> We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
>>
>> With respect to the contents:
>> - the draft is updated with all recent comments since last IETF,
>>    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the HRPC (Human
>>    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
>> - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a section
>>    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there, but empty.
>>    We try to find someone to fill it in?
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page=
-5
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit :
>> >
>> https://datatracker.ietf..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00=
>
>> >
>> > Please send comments to the list.
>> >
>> > Russ
>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Nabil,<div><br></div><div>Please send the slides to the=
 chairs as soon as possible (no later than today at 6PM).</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil =
Benamar (&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:benamar73@gmail.com">benamar73@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:small;color:#0b5394">Hi Russ, All</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;=
font-size:small;color:#0b5394">I will present our draft during IPWAVE sessi=
on. Please update the agenda with my name.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-seri=
f;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Thanks</div><div><div dir=3D"rtl" class=3D=
"m_128795652627466385gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Best regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nabil Benamar</div><div dir=
=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">-------------------</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">=D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=
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pan></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 a=
t 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
For the IP/OCB slot:<br>
<br>
Presenter&#39;s name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the next IETF.<br>
We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.<br>
<br>
With respect to the contents:<br>
- the draft is updated with all recent comments since last IETF,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the HRPC (=
Human<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).<br>
- during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a section<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0titled &quot;Pseudonym Handling&quot;.=C2=A0 The section is th=
ere, but empty.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0We try to find someone to fill it in?<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb=
-30#page-5" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5</a><br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-1=
03-ipwave-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf=
..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please send comments to the list.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Russ<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; its mailing list<br>
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On 2018-10-23 14:15, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
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> However, this latest PS document did not address Human Rights Review
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> I think our IPWAVE WG will need to discuss what items should be
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I'm happy to have this discussion with the group this week.

best regards,

Amelia


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Hi Carlos,

Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.

Thanks.


Best regards
Nabil Benamar
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es=
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> Hi Nabil,
>
> Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no later than
> today at 6PM).
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> Thanks!
>
> Carlos
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> El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<benamar73@gmail.com>)
> escribi=C3=B3:
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>> Hi Russ, All
>>
>> I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update the agenda
>> with my name.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nabil Benamar
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>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
>> alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> For the IP/OCB slot:
>>>
>>> Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the next IETF.
>>> We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
>>>
>>> With respect to the contents:
>>> - the draft is updated with all recent comments since last IETF,
>>>    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the HRPC (Human
>>>    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
>>> - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a section
>>>    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there, but empty.
>>>    We try to find someone to fill it in?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#pag=
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>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit :
>>> >
>>> https://datatracker.ietf..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-0=
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></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Nabil,<div><br></div><=
div>Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no later than=
 today at 6PM).</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>C=
arlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">El mar., 2=
3 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:benamar73@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">benamar73@gmail.com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394=
">Hi Russ, All</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verda=
na,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5=
394">I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update the agen=
da with my name.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ver=
dana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0=
b5394">Thanks</div><div><div dir=3D"rtl" class=3D"m_8275383194162937939m_12=
8795652627466385gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Best regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nabil Benamar</div><div dir=3D"=
rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">-------------------</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">=D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=
=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88</div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left"><span></span><span></=
span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33=
 AM Alexandre Petrescu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
For the IP/OCB slot:<br>
<br>
Presenter&#39;s name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the next IETF.<br>
We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.<br>
<br>
With respect to the contents:<br>
- the draft is updated with all recent comments since last IETF,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the HRPC (=
Human<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).<br>
- during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a section<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0titled &quot;Pseudonym Handling&quot;.=C2=A0 The section is th=
ere, but empty.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0We try to find someone to fill it in?<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb=
-30#page-5" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5</a><br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-1=
03-ipwave-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf=
..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please send comments to the list.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Russ<br>
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Hi Nabil,

I've uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think it'd be
useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man and how
they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and the
main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress the
document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).

Thanks!

Carlos
 
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nabil Benamar
> -------------------
> نبيل بنعمرو
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > Hi Nabil,
> > 
> > Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no later
> > than today at 6PM).
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<
> > benamar73@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > > Hi Russ, All
> > > 
> > > I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update the
> > > agenda with my name.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > Nabil Benamar
> > > -------------------
> > > نبيل بنعمرو
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
> > > alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > For the IP/OCB slot:
> > > > 
> > > > Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the next
> > > > IETF.
> > > > We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
> > > > 
> > > > With respect to the contents:
> > > > - the draft is updated with all recent comments since last
> > > > IETF,
> > > >    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the HRPC
> > > > (Human
> > > >    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
> > > > - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a
> > > > section
> > > >    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there, but
> > > > empty.
> > > >    We try to find someone to fill it in?
> > > > 
> > > > 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5
> > > > 
> > > > Alex
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Le 23/10/2018 à 09:23, Russ Housley a écrit :
> > > > > 
> > > > https://datatracker.ietf..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please send comments to the list.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Russ
> > > > > 
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Thanks, Carlos,

Noted. I will add a slide about the paragraph we added in version 30
related to ND.


Best regards
Nabil Benamar
-------------------
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc=
3m.es>
wrote:

> Hi Nabil,
>
> I've uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think it'd be
> useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man and how
> they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and the
> main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress the
> document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> > Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nabil Benamar
> > -------------------
> > =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > Hi Nabil,
> > >
> > > Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no later
> > > than today at 6PM).
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<
> > > benamar73@gmail.com>) escribi=C3=B3:
> > > > Hi Russ, All
> > > >
> > > > I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update the
> > > > agenda with my name.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Nabil Benamar
> > > > -------------------
> > > > =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
> > > > alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > For the IP/OCB slot:
> > > > >
> > > > > Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the next
> > > > > IETF.
> > > > > We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
> > > > >
> > > > > With respect to the contents:
> > > > > - the draft is updated with all recent comments since last
> > > > > IETF,
> > > > >    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the HRPC
> > > > > (Human
> > > > >    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
> > > > > - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a
> > > > > section
> > > > >    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there, but
> > > > > empty.
> > > > >    We try to find someone to fill it in?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-=
5
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.
> .org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please send comments to the list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Russ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > its mailing list
> > > > > > its@ietf.org
> > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > its mailing list
> > > > > its@ietf.org
> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Thanks, Carlos,</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Noted. I will add a slide=
 about the paragraph we added in version 30 related to ND.</div><div><div d=
ir=3D"rtl" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Best regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nabil Benamar</div><div dir=
=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">-------------------</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">=D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=
=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88</div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align=
:left"><br></div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left"><span></span><s=
pan></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at=
 5:32 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3=
m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">Hi Nabil,<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think it&#39;d be=
<br>
useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man and how<br>
they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and the<br>
main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress the<br>
document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Carlos,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Best regards<br>
&gt; Nabil Benamar<br>
&gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es" target=3D"_blank">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Nabil,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no late=
r<br>
&gt; &gt; than today at 6PM).<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Carlos<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (&lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:benamar73@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">benamar7=
3@gmail.com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Russ, All<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please updat=
e the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; agenda with my name.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Nabil Benamar<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=
=88<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu &lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; For the IP/OCB slot:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Presenter&#39;s name: Unfortunately I can not make it t=
o the next<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; IETF.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.<br=
>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; With respect to the contents:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - the draft is updated with all recent comments since l=
ast<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; IETF,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 including comments from 6man WG, from Erik=
 and from the HRPC<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (Human<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding =
a<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; section<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 titled &quot;Pseudonym Handling&quot;.=C2=
=A0 The section is there, but<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; empty.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We try to find someone to fill it in?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb=
-30#page-5" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Alex<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit :=
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf." rel=3D"noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.</a>.org/meeting/103/materials=
/agenda-103-ipwave-00<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please send comments to the list.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Russ<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br=
>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; its mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:its@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; its mailing list<br>
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Hi,

I wonder whether someone was able to run, at least preliminarily,
IPv6 over 1Gbps (instead of 16Mbps) 802.11 links in OCB mode at 5.9GHz?

I am asking because we work with some colleagues to make it run and we 
hit into some operations problems.

Is it forbidden to use a 20MHz band (instead of currently 10MHz band) at 
5.9GHz?

Alex


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Subject: Re: [ipwave] Implementation of IPv6 over 1Gbps 802.11-OCB 5.9GHz?
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On 2018-11-05 12:07, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder whether someone was able to run, at least preliminarily,
> IPv6 over 1Gbps (instead of 16Mbps) 802.11 links in OCB mode at 5.9GHz?
>
> I am asking because we work with some colleagues to make it run and we
> hit into some operations problems.
>
> Is it forbidden to use a 20MHz band (instead of currently 10MHz band)
> at 5.9GHz?
>
It doesn't have to be supported, afaik. But there may be plans to change
that, see
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-0861-08-0ngv-ieee-802-11-ngv-sg-proposed-par.docx


best,

Amelia

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Le 05/11/2018 à 12:34, Amelia Andersdotter a écrit :
> On 2018-11-05 12:07, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder whether someone was able to run, at least preliminarily,
>> IPv6 over 1Gbps (instead of 16Mbps) 802.11 links in OCB mode at 5.9GHz?
>>
>> I am asking because we work with some colleagues to make it run and we
>> hit into some operations problems.
>>
>> Is it forbidden to use a 20MHz band (instead of currently 10MHz band)
>> at 5.9GHz?
>>
> It doesn't have to be supported, afaik. But there may be plans to change
> that, see
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-0861-08-0ngv-ieee-802-11-ngv-sg-proposed-par.docx

I read the proposed PAR.

It is excellent that IEEE looks at modifications to 802.11 PHY/MAC to 
support next-generation V2X applications.

One may wonder which would be some V2X applications that may benefit 
from higher bandwidth.   Is IEEE considering the network layer-less 
1609-based applications?

Alex

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Subject: [ipwave] Request for Correction on IPWAVE Chairs Slides and Question on PS Document
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Carlos and Russ,
In your IPWAVE chairs slides in agenda, there is something to correct as
below:

* Slide 5
  - OLD:
   11:55 IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey and PS
             draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06 (P. Jeong)

  - NEW:
   11:55 IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem
Statement and Use Cases
             draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07 (P. Jeong)

* Slide 7
  - OLD:
      IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey and Problem Statemen=
t
      draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06

  - NEW:
     IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem
Statement and Use Cases
     draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07

The title of the PS document was changed into one in NEW and
the version of the document is -07.

As you know, this PS document was reviewed in detail by three reviewers,
such as
Erik Nordmark, Dirk von Hugo, and Michelle Wetterwald.

Do we need another set of three reviewers?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc=
3m.es>
wrote:

> Thanks. Slides uploaded.
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:18 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
> > Hi Russ and Carlos,
> > Here are two slides files.
> >
> > In IPWAVE Agenda,
> > Could you update the version of our PS document from -06 to -07 as
> > below?
> > OLD: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06
> > NEW: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Russ,
> > > Sure.
> > >
> > > I will be able to send you the slides of the following two drafts
> > > before 6PM today.
> > >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > >
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discove=
ry-00
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Okay.  Please get them to us today.  I am chairing back-to-back
> > > > sessions tomorrow morning, so they need to come today to be
> > > > posted in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Russ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> > > > > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Carlos and Russ,
> > > > > I have worked on the revision on IPWAVE Problem Statement
> > > > > Document
> > > > > for clear clarification on the problems for IPWAVE so far.
> > > > >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to more time to finish the slides of the PS document.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will be able to deliver the slides this afternoon (around
> > > > > 2PM).
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I will upload another IPWAVE draft named Vehicular
> > > > > Neighbor Discovery
> > > > > as a solution candidate for IPWAVE Neighbor Discovery this
> > > > > afternoon.
> > > > > I will send you the slides about this new draft this afternoon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your support.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Paul
> > > > > --
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > > > > Associate Professor
> > > > > Department of Software
> > > > > Sungkyunkwan University
> > > > > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > > > > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> > > > > Personal Homepage:
> > > > > http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > > Associate Professor
> > > Department of Software
> > > Sungkyunkwan University
> > > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> > > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> >
> >
>
>

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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Carlos =
and Russ,<div>In your IPWAVE chairs slides in agenda, there is something to=
 correct as below:</div><div><br></div><div>* Slide 5</div><div>=C2=A0 - OL=
D:<br></div><div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A011:55 IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use=
 Cases, Survey and PS</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06 (P. Jeong)</div><div><br></=
div><div>=C2=A0 - NEW:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A011:55 IP Wireless Access in V=
ehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular=
-networking-07 (P. Jeong)</div></div><div><br></div><div>* Slide 7</div><di=
v><div><div>=C2=A0 - OLD:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IP-based Vehicular=
 Networking: Use Cases, Survey and Problem Statement</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>=C2=A0 - NEW:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IP Wireless Access in Vehicu=
lar Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases</div><div>=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07</div></div><div><br=
></div><div>The title of the PS document was changed into one in NEW and</d=
iv></div><div>the version of the document is -07.</div><div><br></div><div>=
As you know, this PS document was reviewed in detail by three reviewers, su=
ch as=C2=A0</div><div>Erik Nordmark, Dirk von Hugo, and Michelle Wetterwald=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Do we need another set of three reviewers?=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</d=
iv><div>Paul</div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks. Slides uploaded.<br>
<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:18 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Russ and Carlos,<br>
&gt; Here are two slides files.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In IPWAVE Agenda,<br>
&gt; Could you update the version of our PS document from -06 to -07 as<br>
&gt; below?<br>
&gt; OLD: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06<br>
&gt; NEW: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; Paul<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.pa=
ul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Russ,<br>
&gt; &gt; Sure.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I will be able to send you the slides of the following two drafts=
<br>
&gt; &gt; before 6PM today.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networki=
ng-07" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbo=
r-discovery-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery-00</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; Paul<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM Russ Housley &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:housley@vigilsec.com" target=3D"_blank">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Okay.=C2=A0 Please get them to us today.=C2=A0 I am chairing=
 back-to-back<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; sessions tomorrow morning, so they need to come today to be<=
br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; posted in advance.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Russ<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;=
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Carlos and Russ,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have worked on the revision on IPWAVE Problem Stateme=
nt<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Document<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for clear clarification on the problems for IPWAVE so f=
ar.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networki=
ng-07" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I need to more time to finish the slides of the PS docu=
ment.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I will be able to deliver the slides this afternoon (ar=
ound<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 2PM).<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Also, I will upload another IPWAVE draft named Vehicula=
r<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Neighbor Discovery<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; as a solution candidate for IPWAVE Neighbor Discovery t=
his<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; afternoon.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I will send you the slides about this new draft this af=
ternoon.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for your support.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Paul<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Associate Professor<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Department of Software<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sungkyunkwan University<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.ed=
u" target=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Personal Homepage: <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.=
php" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jae=
hoon-jeong.php</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -- <br>
&gt; &gt; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
&gt; &gt; Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
&gt; &gt; Associate Professor<br>
&gt; &gt; Department of Software<br>
&gt; &gt; Sungkyunkwan University<br>
&gt; &gt; Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
&gt; &gt; Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>
&gt; &gt; Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaeho=
on-jeong.php" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.skku.edu/p=
eople-jaehoon-jeong.php</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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tr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>Associate Professor<br>Department=
 of Software<br>Sungkyunkwan University<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email=
: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@=
gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>Personal Homepage: <a=
 href=3D"http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php</a><br></div></div></div><=
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Title: LS on Establishment of new ITU-T Focus Group on vehicular multimedia (FG-VM) and its first meeting [to TSAG, all ITU-T SGs; external organizations]
Submission Date: 2018-11-04
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Body: ITU-T Study Group 16 would kindly like to inform you that it has agreed to establish a new Focus Group on vehicular multimedia (FG-VM), in accordance with ITU-T A.7 §s 2.1 a), 2.1.1 and 2.1.1.1 in particular. The Focus Group will analyse and identify gaps in the vehicular multimedia standardization landscape and eventually draft technical reports and specifications covering, among others, vehicular multimedia use cases, requirements, applications, interfaces, protocols, architectures, security, etc. More details on the FG-VM remit can be found in its Terms of Reference, see ANNEX A. The Focus Group lifetime is set for two years from the first meeting but extensible if necessary by decision of the parent group (ITU-T SG16). 
The Focus Group management established at the SG16 closing plenary is as follows:
–	Chairman: Jun (Harry) Li (TIAA, China)
–	Vice chairmen: Gaëlle Martin-Cocher (Blackberry, Canada)
–	Interested candidates to join the management team as vice-chairs are requested to contact TSB at tsbfgvm@itu.int. Those candidatures will be evaluated and agreed by the FG-VM and announced at their meetings.
The ToR of the Focus Group are annexed to this LS and are also available online at https://itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/vm/Documents/FG-VM-ToR.pdf.
The home page for the new FG is being developed and will be available at https://itu.int/go/fgvm.
The first meeting of FG-VM is planned in Ottawa, Canada, 11 October 2018, hosted by BlackBerry. Check the FG-VM home page for details and updates.
SG16 appreciates your interest and collaboration on this topic.
For further information needed contact the secretariat at tsbfgvm@itu.int.

ANNEX A
-	Terms of Reference of FG-VM

ANNEX A: TERMS OF REFERENCE

ITU-T Focus Group on "Vehicular Multimedia" (FG-VM)
(Approved by ITU-T SG16 on 2018-07-20)

1. Rationale and Scope
With the convergence of different networks, the vehicle will change from a transport tool to an infotainment space and smart living platform. As ADAS (Advanced Driver Assistance System) and automatic driving technology is evolving, the vehicle will be the 3rd living and infotainment space besides home and office.
As for vehicular multimedia contents, satellite broadcasting and satellite communication (for example, mobile broadcasting satellite, low-orbit satellite constellation and high-orbit high-throughput communication satellite) will play an important role due to their advantages of wide coverage, low investment, fast transmission speed and high flexibility. The convergence of networks will provide low cost, wide coverage and good interactivity for vehicular multimedia solution.
Meanwhile, vehicular multimedia terminals are also evolving to support networks integration, contents integration, intelligent display, intelligent voice interaction, high-precision navigation and various applications as well as interconnection between in-vehicle devices and nomadic devices.
A Focus Group on Vehicular Multimedia (FG-VM) is established to identify the need for new vehicular multimedia standards based on space and terrestrial networks integration. The study will evaluate related software, hardware, and valued-added service to derive use cases. It focuses on vehicular multimedia services and infotainment applications, not aiming at changing existing transmission protocols and channels, such as terrestrial broadcasting, satellite broadcasting, and mobile cellular network. The FG-VM will also leverage the work done by ITU in its previous Focus Group on Driver’s Distraction [1], ITU-T SG16 Q27/16 and the ITU-T P.1100-P.1199 series [2] when relevant.

2. Objectives
The objectives of FG-VM is to conduct an analysis of vehicular multimedia in order to identify relevant gaps and issues in standardization activities related to this topic, to derive use cases, possible requirements and architectures. The group also serves as an open platform for experts representing ITU members and non-members to quickly move forward studies on technology, standard and application relevant to vehicular multimedia. 
More precisely, the objectives include:
1)	To study, gather information and develop a standards research orientation and standards research plan related to vehicular multimedia in the fields of intelligent voice interaction, interconnection between vehicular terminal and smart phone, connectivity for high precision navigation and various other applications;
2)	To develop corresponding use cases and requirements of vehicular multimedia enabled by converged networks;
3)	To study architectures, interfaces, protocols, data formats, interoperability, performance evaluation, security and protection of personal information for vehicular multimedia;
4)	To produce a gap analysis of vehicular multimedia standardization in order to identify the relevant scope of possible future ITU-T Recommendations on these topics and develop a roadmap for vehicular multimedia;
5)	To establish liaisons and relationships with other organizations which could contribute to the standardization activities for vehicular multimedia.

3. Structure
The FG-VM will establish working groups as needed.

4. Specific Tasks and Deliverables
–	To provide terminology and taxonomy for VM;
–	To gather information on initiatives pertaining to VM enabled by converged networks and to identify existing standards, best practises and challenges for the adoption of VM in the context of converged networks;
–	To describe the VM ecosystem enabled by converged networks and the roles and activities of the different stakeholders of this ecosystem;
–	To define possible requirements on VM;
–	To draft technical reports for VM enabled by converged networks which may include architectures, interfaces, protocols and data formats;
–	To send the final deliverables to ITU-T Study Group 16 at least four calendar weeks before the parent group’s next meeting in accordance with Recommendation ITU-T A.7;
–	To analyse the standardization gaps related to VM and develop a future standardization roadmap, taking into consideration the activities currently undertaken by other ITU groups,  various standards developing organizations (SDOs) and forums;
–	To develop a list of SDOs, forums, consortia and other entities dealing with aspects of VM and liaise with the organizations that could contribute to the standardization activities on VM;
–	To organise thematic workshops and forums on VM to bring together all stakeholders, and promote the FG-VM activities and encourage both ITU members and non-ITU members to join its work. 
NOTE – The needs of persons with disabilities will be taken into account in undertaking the tasks above and preparation of deliverables. It is expected that using vehicular multimedia will improve the user experience and will increase driving safety for persons with disabilities.

5. Relationships
This Focus Group will work closely with SG16 through co-located meetings when possible. It will establish and maintain task-appropriate collaboration arrangements with other groups in ITU.
The FG-VM will collaborate with,
–	ITU-T SG12 to leverage the P.1100-P.1199 series on communications involving vehicles and the outcomes of the Focus Group on Driver Distraction
–	ITU-R SG4 and SG5 on connectivity for high precision navigation
–	ITU-T SG17 on security and protection of personal information for vehicular multimedia
–	ITU-T Q27/16 on vehicle gateway platform for telecommunication and ITS services and applications
Furthermore, the FG-VM will collaborate (as required) with other relevant groups and entities, in accordance with Recommendation ITU-T A.7. These include governments, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), policy makers, SDOs, industry forums and consortia, companies, academic institutions, research institutions and other relevant organizations.

6. Parent group
The parent group of the FG-VM is ITU-T Study Group 16 "Multimedia coding, systems and applications".

7. Leadership 
See clause 2.3 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7.

8. Participation
See clause 3 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7. A list of participants will be maintained for reference purposes and reported to the parent group. 
It is important to mention that the participation in this Focus Group has to be based on contributions and active participations.

9. Administrative support 
See clause 5 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7.

10. General financing 
See clauses 4 and 10.2 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7.

11. Meetings 
The Focus Group will conduct regular meetings. The frequency and locations of meetings will be determined by the Focus Group management. The overall meetings plan will be announced after the approval of the terms of reference. The Focus Group will use remote collaboration tools to the maximum extent, and collocation with existing SG16 meetings is encouraged. 
The meeting dates will be announced by electronic means (e.g., e-mail and website, etc.) at least four weeks in advance. 

12.Technical contributions
See clause 8 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7. 

13. Working language 
The working language is English. 

14. Approval of deliverables 
Approval of deliverables shall be taken by consensus. 

15. Working guidelines 
Working procedures shall follow the procedures of Rapporteur meetings. No additional working guidelines are defined.

16. Progress reports 
See clause 11 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7.

17. Announcement of Focus Group formation 
The formation of the Focus Group will be announced via TSB Circular to all ITU membership, via the ITU-T Newslog, press releases and other means, including communication with the other involved organizations. 

18. Milestones and duration of the Focus Group 
The Focus Group lifetime is set for two years from the first meeting but extensible if necessary by decision of the parent group (see ITU-T A.7, clause 2.2). 

19. Patent policy 
See clause 9 of Recommendation ITU-T A.7.

20. References
[1]	ITU-T Focus Group on Driver Distraction, https://itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/distraction 
[2]	ITU-T P.1100-P.1199 on Communications involving vehicles, https://itu.int/rec/T-REC-P
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From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] Draft IPWAVE Agenda for IETF 103
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Hi Nabil,

I need the updated slides ASAP.

Carlos

On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:56 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> Thanks, Carlos,
> 
> Noted. I will add a slide about the paragraph we added in version 30
> related to ND.
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nabil Benamar
> -------------------
> نبيل بنعمرو
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > Hi Nabil,
> > 
> > I've uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think it'd be
> > useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man and
> > how
> > they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and the
> > main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress the
> > document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > > 
> > > Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > Nabil Benamar
> > > -------------------
> > > نبيل بنعمرو
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> > > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > > Hi Nabil,
> > > > 
> > > > Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no
> > later
> > > > than today at 6PM).
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Carlos
> > > > 
> > > > El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<
> > > > benamar73@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > > > > Hi Russ, All
> > > > > 
> > > > > I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update
> > the
> > > > > agenda with my name.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Nabil Benamar
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > نبيل بنعمرو
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
> > > > > alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For the IP/OCB slot:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the
> > next
> > > > > > IETF.
> > > > > > We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > With respect to the contents:
> > > > > > - the draft is updated with all recent comments since last
> > > > > > IETF,
> > > > > >    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the
> > HRPC
> > > > > > (Human
> > > > > >    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
> > > > > > - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a
> > > > > > section
> > > > > >    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there, but
> > > > > > empty.
> > > > > >    We try to find someone to fill it in?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Le 23/10/2018 à 09:23, Russ Housley a écrit :
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > https://datatracker.ietf..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Please send comments to the list.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Russ
> > > > > > > 
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] Request for Correction on IPWAVE Chairs Slides and Question on PS Document
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Hi Paul,

Agenda and slides fixed.

Regarding your question about the reviews, yes, we do need additional
reviews. The ones you got helped in getting to draft that is good as
starting point (as Dirk pointed out), but we need at least an
additional round of reviews on the current version. This is needed to
both improve the document and also show that there is interest from the
WG on the document. And this will also help us assessing the energy
level for potential additional work (at this point, our understanding
is that there is no energy at all).

Thanks!

Carlos

On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 22:55 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
> Carlos and Russ,
> In your IPWAVE chairs slides in agenda, there is something to correct
> as below:
> 
> * Slide 5
>   - OLD:
>    11:55 IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey and PS
>              draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06 (P. Jeong)
> 
>   - NEW:
>    11:55 IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE):
> Problem Statement and Use Cases
>              draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07 (P. Jeong)
> 
> * Slide 7
>   - OLD:
>       IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey and Problem
> Statement
>       draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06
> 
>   - NEW:
>      IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem
> Statement and Use Cases
>      draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> 
> The title of the PS document was changed into one in NEW and
> the version of the document is -07.
> 
> As you know, this PS document was reviewed in detail by three
> reviewers, such as 
> Erik Nordmark, Dirk von Hugo, and Michelle Wetterwald.
> 
> Do we need another set of three reviewers? 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Paul
> 
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > Thanks. Slides uploaded.
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:18 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
> > > Hi Russ and Carlos,
> > > Here are two slides files.
> > > 
> > > In IPWAVE Agenda,
> > > Could you update the version of our PS document from -06 to -07
> > as
> > > below?
> > > OLD: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06
> > > NEW: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Paul
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> > > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Russ,
> > > > Sure.
> > > > 
> > > > I will be able to send you the slides of the following two
> > drafts
> > > > before 6PM today.
> > > > 
> > 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > > 
> > 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery-00
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Paul
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM Russ Housley <
> > housley@vigilsec.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Okay.  Please get them to us today.  I am chairing back-to-
> > back
> > > > > sessions tomorrow morning, so they need to come today to be
> > > > > posted in advance.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Russ
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> > > > > > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Carlos and Russ,
> > > > > > I have worked on the revision on IPWAVE Problem Statement
> > > > > > Document
> > > > > > for clear clarification on the problems for IPWAVE so far.
> > > > > > 
> > 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I need to more time to finish the slides of the PS
> > document.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I will be able to deliver the slides this afternoon (around
> > > > > > 2PM).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also, I will upload another IPWAVE draft named Vehicular
> > > > > > Neighbor Discovery
> > > > > > as a solution candidate for IPWAVE Neighbor Discovery this
> > > > > > afternoon.
> > > > > > I will send you the slides about this new draft this
> > afternoon.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for your support.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > ===========================
> > > > > > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > > > > > Associate Professor
> > > > > > Department of Software
> > > > > > Sungkyunkwan University
> > > > > > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > > > > > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> > > > > > Personal Homepage: 
> > > > > > http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > ===========================
> > > > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > > > Associate Professor
> > > > Department of Software
> > > > Sungkyunkwan University
> > > > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > > > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> > > > Personal Homepage: 
> > http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 


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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:46:45 +0700
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Carlos,
I see your point.

Today I will present a possible solution to IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for
V2V in a connected VANET and V2I in a multi-link subnet:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery=
-00

I am planning to have IETF-104 Hackathon Project on IPWAVE Neighbor
Discovery
with my students and other interested people, using vehicular network
simulator
(OMNeT++, VEINS, and SUMO).
I hope this Hackathon project will bring energy into our IPWAVE WG.

As you may know, I2NSF Hackathon Projects (IETF-97 ~ IETF-103) led by me
was pretty successful with
open source projects (e.g., ODL, Suricata, and OpenStack) and
my group at SKKU contributed to YANG data models:
https://github.com/kimjinyong/i2nsf-framework/tree/master/Hackathon-103
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/documents/

Thanks.

Paul


On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:34 AM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc=
3m.es>
wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Agenda and slides fixed.
>
> Regarding your question about the reviews, yes, we do need additional
> reviews. The ones you got helped in getting to draft that is good as
> starting point (as Dirk pointed out), but we need at least an
> additional round of reviews on the current version. This is needed to
> both improve the document and also show that there is interest from the
> WG on the document. And this will also help us assessing the energy
> level for potential additional work (at this point, our understanding
> is that there is no energy at all).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 22:55 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
> > Carlos and Russ,
> > In your IPWAVE chairs slides in agenda, there is something to correct
> > as below:
> >
> > * Slide 5
> >   - OLD:
> >    11:55 IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey and PS
> >              draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06 (P. Jeong)
> >
> >   - NEW:
> >    11:55 IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE):
> > Problem Statement and Use Cases
> >              draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07 (P. Jeong)
> >
> > * Slide 7
> >   - OLD:
> >       IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey and Problem
> > Statement
> >       draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06
> >
> >   - NEW:
> >      IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem
> > Statement and Use Cases
> >      draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> >
> > The title of the PS document was changed into one in NEW and
> > the version of the document is -07.
> >
> > As you know, this PS document was reviewed in detail by three
> > reviewers, such as
> > Erik Nordmark, Dirk von Hugo, and Michelle Wetterwald.
> >
> > Do we need another set of three reviewers?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <
> > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > Thanks. Slides uploaded.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:18 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
> > > > Hi Russ and Carlos,
> > > > Here are two slides files.
> > > >
> > > > In IPWAVE Agenda,
> > > > Could you update the version of our PS document from -06 to -07
> > > as
> > > > below?
> > > > OLD: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06
> > > > NEW: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> > > > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Russ,
> > > > > Sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will be able to send you the slides of the following two
> > > drafts
> > > > > before 6PM today.
> > > > >
> > >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > > >
> > >
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discove=
ry-00
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM Russ Housley <
> > > housley@vigilsec.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Okay.  Please get them to us today.  I am chairing back-to-
> > > back
> > > > > > sessions tomorrow morning, so they need to come today to be
> > > > > > posted in advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Russ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> > > > > > > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Carlos and Russ,
> > > > > > > I have worked on the revision on IPWAVE Problem Statement
> > > > > > > Document
> > > > > > > for clear clarification on the problems for IPWAVE so far.
> > > > > > >
> > >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to more time to finish the slides of the PS
> > > document.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will be able to deliver the slides this afternoon (around
> > > > > > > 2PM).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, I will upload another IPWAVE draft named Vehicular
> > > > > > > Neighbor Discovery
> > > > > > > as a solution candidate for IPWAVE Neighbor Discovery this
> > > > > > > afternoon.
> > > > > > > I will send you the slides about this new draft this
> > > afternoon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your support.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > > > > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > > > > > > Associate Professor
> > > > > > > Department of Software
> > > > > > > Sungkyunkwan University
> > > > > > > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > > > > > > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> > > > > > > Personal Homepage:
> > > > > > > http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > > > > Associate Professor
> > > > > Department of Software
> > > > > Sungkyunkwan University
> > > > > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > > > > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> > > > > Personal Homepage:
> > > http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Carlos,=
<div>I see your point.</div><div><br></div><div>Today I will present a poss=
ible solution to IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for=C2=A0</div><div>V2V in a conne=
cted VANET and V2I in a multi-link subnet:</div><div><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery-00">https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery-00</a=
><br></div><div><br></div><div>I am planning to have IETF-104 Hackathon Pro=
ject on IPWAVE Neighbor Discovery</div><div>with my students and other inte=
rested people, using vehicular network simulator</div><div>(OMNeT++, VEINS,=
 and SUMO).</div><div>I hope this Hackathon project will bring energy into =
our IPWAVE WG.</div><div><br></div><div>As you may know, I2NSF Hackathon Pr=
ojects (IETF-97 ~ IETF-103) led by me was pretty successful with</div><div>=
open source projects (e.g., ODL, Suricata, and OpenStack) and=C2=A0</div><d=
iv>my group at SKKU contributed to YANG data models:</div><div><a href=3D"h=
ttps://github.com/kimjinyong/i2nsf-framework/tree/master/Hackathon-103">htt=
ps://github.com/kimjinyong/i2nsf-framework/tree/master/Hackathon-103</a><br=
></div><div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/documents/">ht=
tps://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/documents/</a><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Nov 6, =
2018 at 9:34 AM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc=
@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">Hi Paul,<br>
<br>
Agenda and slides fixed.<br>
<br>
Regarding your question about the reviews, yes, we do need additional<br>
reviews. The ones you got helped in getting to draft that is good as<br>
starting point (as Dirk pointed out), but we need at least an<br>
additional round of reviews on the current version. This is needed to<br>
both improve the document and also show that there is interest from the<br>
WG on the document. And this will also help us assessing the energy<br>
level for potential additional work (at this point, our understanding<br>
is that there is no energy at all).<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 22:55 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:<br>
&gt; Carlos and Russ,<br>
&gt; In your IPWAVE chairs slides in agenda, there is something to correct<=
br>
&gt; as below:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; * Slide 5<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0- OLD:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 11:55 IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Survey an=
d PS<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ipwave-vehi=
cular-networking-06 (P. Jeong)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0- NEW:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 11:55 IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAV=
E):<br>
&gt; Problem Statement and Use Cases<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ipwave-vehi=
cular-networking-07 (P. Jeong)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; * Slide 7<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0- OLD:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IP-based Vehicular Networking: Use Cases, Su=
rvey and Problem<br>
&gt; Statement<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06<br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0- NEW:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWA=
VE): Problem<br>
&gt; Statement and Use Cases<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The title of the PS document was changed into one in NEW and<br>
&gt; the version of the document is -07.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As you know, this PS document was reviewed in detail by three<br>
&gt; reviewers, such as <br>
&gt; Erik Nordmark, Dirk von Hugo, and Michelle Wetterwald.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do we need another set of three reviewers? <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; Paul<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<b=
r>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es" target=3D"_blank">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks. Slides uploaded.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Carlos<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:18 +0700, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:<=
br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Russ and Carlos,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Here are two slides files.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; In IPWAVE Agenda,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Could you update the version of our PS document from -06 to =
-07<br>
&gt; &gt; as<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; below?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; OLD: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-06<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; NEW: Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Paul<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Russ,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sure.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I will be able to send you the slides of the following =
two<br>
&gt; &gt; drafts<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; before 6PM today.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networki=
ng-07" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbo=
r-discovery-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery-00</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Paul<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM Russ Housley &lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:housley@vigilsec.com" target=3D"_blank">housley=
@vigilsec.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Okay.=C2=A0 Please get them to us today.=C2=A0 I a=
m chairing back-to-<br>
&gt; &gt; back<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; sessions tomorrow morning, so they need to come to=
day to be<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; posted in advance.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Russ<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul =
Jeong &lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Carlos and Russ,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have worked on the revision on IPWAVE Probl=
em Statement<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Document<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for clear clarification on the problems for I=
PWAVE so far.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networki=
ng-07" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I need to more time to finish the slides of t=
he PS<br>
&gt; &gt; document.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I will be able to deliver the slides this aft=
ernoon (around<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 2PM).<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Also, I will upload another IPWAVE draft name=
d Vehicular<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Neighbor Discovery<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; as a solution candidate for IPWAVE Neighbor D=
iscovery this<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; afternoon.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I will send you the slides about this new dra=
ft this<br>
&gt; &gt; afternoon.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for your support.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Paul<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Associate Professor<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Department of Software<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sungkyunkwan University<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:pauljeo=
ng@skku.edu" target=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Personal Homepage: <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaeh=
oon-jeong.php" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.skku.edu/=
people-jaehoon-jeong.php</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Associate Professor<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Department of Software<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sungkyunkwan University<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.ed=
u" target=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Personal Homepage: <br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeo=
ng.php</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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=3D<br>Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>Associate Professor<br>Department=
 of Software<br>Sungkyunkwan University<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email=
: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@=
gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>Personal Homepage: <a=
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Here you go Carlos!


Best regards
Nabil Benamar
-------------------
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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:28 AM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc=
3m.es>
wrote:

> Hi Nabil,
>
> I need the updated slides ASAP.
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:56 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> > Thanks, Carlos,
> >
> > Noted. I will add a slide about the paragraph we added in version 30
> > related to ND.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nabil Benamar
> > -------------------
> > =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <
> > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > Hi Nabil,
> > >
> > > I've uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think it'd be
> > > useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man and
> > > how
> > > they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and the
> > > main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress the
> > > document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> > > > Hi Carlos,
> > > >
> > > > Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Nabil Benamar
> > > > -------------------
> > > > =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> > > > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Nabil,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible (no
> > > later
> > > > > than today at 6PM).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<
> > > > > benamar73@gmail.com>) escribi=C3=B3:
> > > > > > Hi Russ, All
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please update
> > > the
> > > > > > agenda with my name.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > Nabil Benamar
> > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
> > > > > > alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the IP/OCB slot:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to the
> > > next
> > > > > > > IETF.
> > > > > > > We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With respect to the contents:
> > > > > > > - the draft is updated with all recent comments since last
> > > > > > > IETF,
> > > > > > >    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from the
> > > HRPC
> > > > > > > (Human
> > > > > > >    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
> > > > > > > - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding a
> > > > > > > section
> > > > > > >    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there, but
> > > > > > > empty.
> > > > > > >    We try to find someone to fill it in?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-=
5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =C3=A9crit :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.
> .org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please send comments to the list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Russ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nabil Benamar</div><di=
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v><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Nov 6, =
2018 at 9:28 AM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc=
@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">Hi Nabil,<br>
<br>
I need the updated slides ASAP.<br>
<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:56 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:<br>
&gt; Thanks, Carlos,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Noted. I will add a slide about the paragraph we added in version 30<b=
r>
&gt; related to ND.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Best regards<br>
&gt; Nabil Benamar<br>
&gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<b=
r>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es" target=3D"_blank">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Nabil,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think i=
t&#39;d be<br>
&gt; &gt; useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man a=
nd<br>
&gt; &gt; how<br>
&gt; &gt; they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and t=
he<br>
&gt; &gt; main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress the=
<br>
&gt; &gt; document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Carlos<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Carlos,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Nabil Benamar<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=
=88<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &=
lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es" target=3D"_blank">cjbc@it=
.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Nabil,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possibl=
e (no<br>
&gt; &gt; later<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; than today at 6PM).<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Carlos<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (&lt;<=
br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:benamar73@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">benamar73@gmail.com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Russ, All<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Pl=
ease update<br>
&gt; &gt; the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; agenda with my name.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Nabil Benamar<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=
=D8=B1=D9=88<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu=
 &lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; For the IP/OCB slot:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Presenter&#39;s name: Unfortunately I can not=
 make it to the<br>
&gt; &gt; next<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; IETF.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil=
 could.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; With respect to the contents:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - the draft is updated with all recent commen=
ts since last<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; IETF,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 including comments from 6man WG,=
 from Erik and from the<br>
&gt; &gt; HRPC<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (Human<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rights Protocol Considerations, =
Amelia).<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - during the HRPC review there was a request =
of adding a<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; section<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 titled &quot;Pseudonym Handling&=
quot;.=C2=A0 The section is there, but<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; empty.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We try to find someone to fill i=
t in?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb=
-30#page-5" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Alex<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le 23/10/2018 =C3=A0 09:23, Russ Housley a =
=C3=A9crit :<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf." rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.</a>.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-=
103-ipwave-00<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please send comments to the list.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Russ<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ________________________________________=
_______<br>
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listinfo/its" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mai=
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Thanks!

On Tue, 2018-11-06 at 10:15 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> Here you go Carlos!
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nabil Benamar
> -------------------
> نبيل بنعمرو
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:28 AM Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > Hi Nabil,
> > 
> > I need the updated slides ASAP.
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 17:56 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> > > Thanks, Carlos,
> > > 
> > > Noted. I will add a slide about the paragraph we added in version
> > 30
> > > related to ND.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > Nabil Benamar
> > > -------------------
> > > نبيل بنعمرو
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <
> > > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > > Hi Nabil,
> > > > 
> > > > I've uploaded the slides. I have however a request. I think
> > it'd be
> > > > useful if you provide more details on the issues raised by 6man
> > and
> > > > how
> > > > they have been resolved. This is the core of the discussion and
> > the
> > > > main showstopper right now. We need to solve this to progress
> > the
> > > > document (and the whole WG, in case some energy remained...).
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Carlos
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 15:42 +0700, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> > > > > Hi Carlos,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kindly find attached the slides of IPv6-over-OCB draft.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Nabil Benamar
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > نبيل بنعمرو
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> > > > > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Nabil,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Please send the slides to the chairs as soon as possible
> > (no
> > > > later
> > > > > > than today at 6PM).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > El mar., 23 oct. 2018 a las 11:41, Nabil Benamar (<
> > > > > > benamar73@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > > > > > > Hi Russ, All
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I will present our draft during IPWAVE session. Please
> > update
> > > > the
> > > > > > > agenda with my name.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > > Nabil Benamar
> > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > نبيل بنعمرو
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:33 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
> > > > > > > alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For the IP/OCB slot:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Presenter's name: Unfortunately I can not make it to
> > the
> > > > next
> > > > > > > > IETF.
> > > > > > > > We discussed among co-authors and maybe Nabil could.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > With respect to the contents:
> > > > > > > > - the draft is updated with all recent comments since
> > last
> > > > > > > > IETF,
> > > > > > > >    including comments from 6man WG, from Erik and from
> > the
> > > > HRPC
> > > > > > > > (Human
> > > > > > > >    Rights Protocol Considerations, Amelia).
> > > > > > > > - during the HRPC review there was a request of adding
> > a
> > > > > > > > section
> > > > > > > >    titled "Pseudonym Handling".  The section is there,
> > but
> > > > > > > > empty.
> > > > > > > >    We try to find someone to fill it in?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30#page-5
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Le 23/10/2018 à 09:23, Russ Housley a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > https://datatracker.ietf..org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ipwave-00
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Please send comments to the list.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Russ
> > > > > > > > > 
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Nabil,

CURRENT:
    The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
    802.11-OCB links.  The reliability of the ND protocol over 802.11-OCB
    is the reliability of the delivery of ND multicast messages.  This
    reliability is the same as the reliability of delivery of ND
    multicast messages over 802.11 links operated with a BSS ID.

SUGGESTED:
    The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
    802.11-OCB links.  Due to lack of associations in 802.11-OCB
    unicast has the same reliability as multicast. The ND
    retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of unicast and multicast
    just as it does on 802.11 BSS.


Note that in mail 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/jVc5zmJ5MOOQ0jHlWAv2UQP3loE 
Brian points out that the subsequent paragraph is now broken.

Since the document doesn't specify use of mobile IP you might be able to 
just drop that subsequent paragraph.
If you think it is required to keep it I think the correct statement is 
more complex as follows:
Section 11.5.1 of [RFC6275] does not rely on link-layer notifications 
but on the advertisement interval and NUD, both of which work for OCB.

However, and I really don't think we need to add this to the draft, 
DNAv6 [rfc6059] assumes link-layer notification [rfc4957] for quick 
movement detection. If folks want to use DNAv6, then
  - Tuning ReachableTime and/or the default router lifetime can
    ensure that old nodes and default routers are marked as unreachable
    or deleted more quickly.
  - Tuning RA advertisement interval down can ensure that new default
    routers are detected more timely.
But as I said, I think it is best to remove the confusing Mobile IP text 
(and not add anything about DNAv6).

Regards,
    Erik


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Thank you, Erik, for your prompt comments!

I agree on the suggested changes related to unicast and multicast since
both have the same reliability!

Also, the mentioned paragraph about mobile IP can be removed after
discussion with co-authors.


Best regards
Nabil Benamar
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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:54 AM Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org> wrote:

> Nabil,
>
> CURRENT:
>     The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
>     802.11-OCB links.  The reliability of the ND protocol over 802.11-OCB
>     is the reliability of the delivery of ND multicast messages.  This
>     reliability is the same as the reliability of delivery of ND
>     multicast messages over 802.11 links operated with a BSS ID.
>
> SUGGESTED:
>     The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
>     802.11-OCB links.  Due to lack of associations in 802.11-OCB
>     unicast has the same reliability as multicast. The ND
>     retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of unicast and multicast
>     just as it does on 802.11 BSS.
>
>
> Note that in mail
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/jVc5zmJ5MOOQ0jHlWAv2UQP3loE
> Brian points out that the subsequent paragraph is now broken.
>
> Since the document doesn't specify use of mobile IP you might be able to
> just drop that subsequent paragraph.
> If you think it is required to keep it I think the correct statement is
> more complex as follows:
> Section 11.5.1 of [RFC6275] does not rely on link-layer notifications
> but on the advertisement interval and NUD, both of which work for OCB.
>
> However, and I really don't think we need to add this to the draft,
> DNAv6 [rfc6059] assumes link-layer notification [rfc4957] for quick
> movement detection. If folks want to use DNAv6, then
>   - Tuning ReachableTime and/or the default router lifetime can
>     ensure that old nodes and default routers are marked as unreachable
>     or deleted more quickly.
>   - Tuning RA advertisement interval down can ensure that new default
>     routers are detected more timely.
> But as I said, I think it is best to remove the confusing Mobile IP text
> (and not add anything about DNAv6).
>
> Regards,
>     Erik
>

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sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Thank you, Erik, for your prompt =
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I agree on the suggested changes related to unicast and multicast since bot=
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the mentioned paragraph about mobile IP can be removed after discussion wit=
h co-authors.</div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Be=
st regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nabil Benamar</div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=
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lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:54 AM Erik =
Nordmark &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nordmark@acm.org">nordmark@acm.org</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Nabil,<br>
<br>
CURRENT:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 802.11-OCB links.=C2=A0 The reliability of the ND protocol ov=
er 802.11-OCB<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is the reliability of the delivery of ND multicast messages.=
=C2=A0 This<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reliability is the same as the reliability of delivery of ND<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 multicast messages over 802.11 links operated with a BSS ID.<=
br>
<br>
SUGGESTED:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 802.11-OCB links.=C2=A0 Due to lack of associations in 802.11=
-OCB<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 unicast has the same reliability as multicast. The ND<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of unicast and mu=
lticast<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 just as it does on 802.11 BSS.<br>
<br>
<br>
Note that in mail <br>
<a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/jVc5zmJ5MOOQ0jHlWAv2U=
QP3loE" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/a=
rch/msg/ipv6/jVc5zmJ5MOOQ0jHlWAv2UQP3loE</a> <br>
Brian points out that the subsequent paragraph is now broken.<br>
<br>
Since the document doesn&#39;t specify use of mobile IP you might be able t=
o <br>
just drop that subsequent paragraph.<br>
If you think it is required to keep it I think the correct statement is <br=
>
more complex as follows:<br>
Section 11.5.1 of [RFC6275] does not rely on link-layer notifications <br>
but on the advertisement interval and NUD, both of which work for OCB.<br>
<br>
However, and I really don&#39;t think we need to add this to the draft, <br=
>
DNAv6 [rfc6059] assumes link-layer notification [rfc4957] for quick <br>
movement detection. If folks want to use DNAv6, then<br>
=C2=A0 - Tuning ReachableTime and/or the default router lifetime can<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ensure that old nodes and default routers are marked as unrea=
chable<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 or deleted more quickly.<br>
=C2=A0 - Tuning RA advertisement interval down can ensure that new default<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 routers are detected more timely.<br>
But as I said, I think it is best to remove the confusing Mobile IP text <b=
r>
(and not add anything about DNAv6).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik<br>
</blockquote></div>

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On 11/5/18 21:37, Dick Roy wrote:
> What you both may be assuming is that the RF environment for both is 
> statistically similar, while in many “OCB” scenarios, nothing could be 
> farther from the truth.  When network topologies are changing every 1 
> millisecond, it’s not so simple.

Dick,

FWIW I'm not making that assumption.

The RF environment is not a function of OCB vs BSS, but is a function of 
the deployment and use case.

    Erik


> 
> Best of luck … let me know how it turns out.
> 
> RR
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> *From:*its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Nabil Benamar
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> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] OCB draft wording for ND and mobile-IP
> 
> Thank you, Erik, for your prompt comments!
> 
> I agree on the suggested changes related to unicast and multicast since 
> both have the same reliability!
> 
> Also, the mentioned paragraph about mobile IP can be removed after 
> discussion with co-authors.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Nabil Benamar
> 
> -------------------
> 
> äÈíá ÈäÚãÑæ
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:54 AM Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org 
> <mailto:nordmark@acm.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Nabil,
> 
>     CURRENT:
>          The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
>          802.11-OCB links.  The reliability of the ND protocol over
>     802.11-OCB
>          is the reliability of the delivery of ND multicast messages.  This
>          reliability is the same as the reliability of delivery of ND
>          multicast messages over 802.11 links operated with a BSS ID.
> 
>     SUGGESTED:
>          The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
>          802.11-OCB links.  Due to lack of associations in 802.11-OCB
>          unicast has the same reliability as multicast. The ND
>          retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of unicast and
>     multicast
>          just as it does on 802.11 BSS.
> 
> 
>     Note that in mail
>     https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/jVc5zmJ5MOOQ0jHlWAv2UQP3loE
>     Brian points out that the subsequent paragraph is now broken.
> 
>     Since the document doesn't specify use of mobile IP you might be
>     able to
>     just drop that subsequent paragraph.
>     If you think it is required to keep it I think the correct statement is
>     more complex as follows:
>     Section 11.5.1 of [RFC6275] does not rely on link-layer notifications
>     but on the advertisement interval and NUD, both of which work for OCB.
> 
>     However, and I really don't think we need to add this to the draft,
>     DNAv6 [rfc6059] assumes link-layer notification [rfc4957] for quick
>     movement detection. If folks want to use DNAv6, then
>        - Tuning ReachableTime and/or the default router lifetime can
>          ensure that old nodes and default routers are marked as unreachable
>          or deleted more quickly.
>        - Tuning RA advertisement interval down can ensure that new default
>          routers are detected more timely.
>     But as I said, I think it is best to remove the confusing Mobile IP
>     text
>     (and not add anything about DNAv6).
> 
>     Regards,
>          Erik
> 


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[I don't think this made it to the list]

On 11/5/18 20:54, Erik Nordmark wrote:
 > Nabil,
 >
 > CURRENT:
 >     The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
 >     802.11-OCB links.  The reliability of the ND protocol over 802.11-OCB
 >     is the reliability of the delivery of ND multicast messages.  This
 >     reliability is the same as the reliability of delivery of ND
 >     multicast messages over 802.11 links operated with a BSS ID.
 >
 > SUGGESTED:
 >     The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
 >     802.11-OCB links.  Due to lack of associations in 802.11-OCB
 >     unicast has the same reliability as multicast. The ND
 >     retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of unicast and multicast
 >     just as it does on 802.11 BSS.

It was suggested to instead refer to lack of link-layer acknowledgements 
instead of associations hence I'd change the above suggestion to:

    The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
    802.11-OCB links.  Due to lack of link-layer acknowledgements in
    802.11-OCB for both unicast and multicast, we can expect higher
    unicast loss than for 802.11 BSS. The ND retransmissions are supposed
    to handle loss of unicast and/or multicast
    just as it does for other link types.

The subsequent mobile ip paragraph could be replaced by a more accurate 
statement like:

Protocols like Mobile IPv6 and DNAv6 [rfc6059] which depend on timely 
movement detection might need additional tuning work to handle the lack 
of link-layer notifications during handover. This is for further study.

    Erik


>        - Tuning RA advertisement interval down can ensure that new default
>          routers are detected more timely.
>     But as I said, I think it is best to remove the confusing Mobile IP
>     text
>     (and not add anything about DNAv6).
> 
>     Regards,
>          Erik
> 


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 Networks operating in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)
        Authors         : Alexandre Petrescu
                          Nabil Benamar
                          Jerome Haerri
                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
                          Thierry Ernst
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
	Pages           : 41
	Date            : 2018-11-19

Abstract:
   In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks running
   outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier "802.11p")
   there is a need to define a few parameters such as the supported
   Maximum Transmission Unit size on the 802.11-OCB link, the header
   format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and
   others.  This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE
   802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11-OCB
   similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an
   Ethernet Adaptation Layer.


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Hi IPWAVErs,

Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB slides by 
Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB draft.

This is the ChangeLog:

- filled in the section titled "Pseudonym Handling";
- removed a 'MAY NOT' phrase about possibility of having other
   prefix than the LL on the link between cars;
- shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with
   DNAv6;
- improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to
   packet loss;
- changed the title of an appendix from 'EPD' to 'Protocol Layering';
- improved the 'Aspects introduced by OCB' appendix with a few phrases
   about the channel use and references.

This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.

Alex

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Jerome Haerri <jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu 
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Name:		draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
Revision:	31
Title:		Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 Networks operating 
in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)
Document date:	2018-11-19
Group:		ipwave
Pages:		41
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Abstract:
    In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks running
    outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier "802.11p")
    there is a need to define a few parameters such as the supported
    Maximum Transmission Unit size on the 802.11-OCB link, the header
    format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and
    others.  This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE
    802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11-OCB
    similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an
    Ethernet Adaptation Layer.

 


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Thanks a lot Alex and Nabil. I'll take a look at it in the next days.

During the meeting we discussed with Nabil that we need an e-mail
collecting all the issues from 6man reviews where you authors explain
how each of the issues has been addressed. Can you guys please send
that e-mail?

Thanks,

Carlos 

On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 19:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> Hi IPWAVErs,
> 
> Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB slides
> by 
> Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB draft.
> 
> This is the ChangeLog:
> 
> - filled in the section titled "Pseudonym Handling";
> - removed a 'MAY NOT' phrase about possibility of having other
>    prefix than the LL on the link between cars;
> - shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with
>    DNAv6;
> - improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to
>    packet loss;
> - changed the title of an appendix from 'EPD' to 'Protocol Layering';
> - improved the 'Aspects introduced by OCB' appendix with a few
> phrases
>    about the channel use and references.
> 
> This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.
> 
> Alex
> 
> -------- Message transféré --------
> Sujet : New Version Notification for 
> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> Date : Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:01:52 -0800
> De : internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Pour : Jerome Haerri <Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr>, 
> ipwave-chairs@ietf.org, 
> Jerome Haerri <jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu 
> <Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu 
> <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>, Nabil Benamar <n.benamar@est.umi.ac.ma>,
>  
> Thierry Ernst <thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr>, Jong-Hyouk Lee 
> <jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr>
> 
> 
> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Alexandre Petrescu and posted to
> the
> IETF repository.
> 
> Name:		draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
> Revision:	31
> Title:		Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11
> Networks operating 
> in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-
> OCB)
> Document date:	2018-11-19
> Group:		ipwave
> Pages:		41
> URL: 
> 
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> Status: 
> 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/
> Htmlized: 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31
> Htmlized: 
> 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
> Diff: 
> 
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31
> 
> Abstract:
>     In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks running
>     outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier
> "802.11p")
>     there is a need to define a few parameters such as the supported
>     Maximum Transmission Unit size on the 802.11-OCB link, the header
>     format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and
>     others.  This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and
> IEEE
>     802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11-
> OCB
>     similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an
>     Ethernet Adaptation Layer.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
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Hi Carlos,

Sure. We'll send it soon!


Best regards
Nabil Benamar
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:25 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.u=
c3m.es>
wrote:

> Thanks a lot Alex and Nabil. I'll take a look at it in the next days.
>
> During the meeting we discussed with Nabil that we need an e-mail
> collecting all the issues from 6man reviews where you authors explain
> how each of the issues has been addressed. Can you guys please send
> that e-mail?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 19:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> > Hi IPWAVErs,
> >
> > Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB slides
> > by
> > Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB draft.
> >
> > This is the ChangeLog:
> >
> > - filled in the section titled "Pseudonym Handling";
> > - removed a 'MAY NOT' phrase about possibility of having other
> >    prefix than the LL on the link between cars;
> > - shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with
> >    DNAv6;
> > - improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to
> >    packet loss;
> > - changed the title of an appendix from 'EPD' to 'Protocol Layering';
> > - improved the 'Aspects introduced by OCB' appendix with a few
> > phrases
> >    about the channel use and references.
> >
> > This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > -------- Message transf=C3=A9r=C3=A9 --------
> > Sujet : New Version Notification for
> > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > Date : Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:01:52 -0800
> > De : internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > Pour : Jerome Haerri <Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr>,
> > ipwave-chairs@ietf.org,
> > Jerome Haerri <jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu
> > <Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu
> > <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>, Nabil Benamar <n.benamar@est.umi.ac.ma>,
> >
> > Thierry Ernst <thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr>, Jong-Hyouk Lee
> > <jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr>
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Alexandre Petrescu and posted to
> > the
> > IETF repository.
> >
> > Name:         draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
> > Revision:     31
> > Title:                Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11
> > Networks operating
> > in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-
> > OCB)
> > Document date:        2018-11-19
> > Group:                ipwave
> > Pages:                41
> > URL:
> >
>
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb=
-31.txt
> > Status:
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/
> > Htmlized:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31
> > Htmlized:
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211oc=
b
> > Diff:
> >
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-=
31
> >
> > Abstract:
> >     In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks running
> >     outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier
> > "802.11p")
> >     there is a need to define a few parameters such as the supported
> >     Maximum Transmission Unit size on the 802.11-OCB link, the header
> >     format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and
> >     others.  This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and
> > IEEE
> >     802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11-
> > OCB
> >     similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an
> >     Ethernet Adaptation Layer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >
> > The IETF Secretariat
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Hi Carlos,</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#=
0b5394"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana=
,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Sure. We&#39;ll send it soon!</d=
iv><div><div dir=3D"rtl" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_=
signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nabil Benamar</=
div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">-------------------</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left">=D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=
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v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov =
19, 2018 at 8:25 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">Thanks a lot Alex and Nabil. I&#39;ll take a look at it in th=
e next days.<br>
<br>
During the meeting we discussed with Nabil that we need an e-mail<br>
collecting all the issues from 6man reviews where you authors explain<br>
how each of the issues has been addressed. Can you guys please send<br>
that e-mail?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Carlos <br>
<br>
On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 19:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi IPWAVErs,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB slides<br=
>
&gt; by <br>
&gt; Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB draft.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is the ChangeLog:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; - filled in the section titled &quot;Pseudonym Handling&quot;;<br>
&gt; - removed a &#39;MAY NOT&#39; phrase about possibility of having other=
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 prefix than the LL on the link between cars;<br>
&gt; - shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 DNAv6;<br>
&gt; - improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to<b=
r>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 packet loss;<br>
&gt; - changed the title of an appendix from &#39;EPD&#39; to &#39;Protocol=
 Layering&#39;;<br>
&gt; - improved the &#39;Aspects introduced by OCB&#39; appendix with a few=
<br>
&gt; phrases<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 about the channel use and references.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Alex<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -------- Message transf=C3=A9r=C3=A9 --------<br>
&gt; Sujet : New Version Notification for <br>
&gt; draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt<br>
&gt; Date : Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:01:52 -0800<br>
&gt; De : <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">int=
ernet-drafts@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Pour : Jerome Haerri &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr" t=
arget=3D"_blank">Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr</a>&gt;, <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ipwave-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ipwave-cha=
irs@ietf.org</a>, <br>
&gt; Jerome Haerri &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr" target=
=3D"_blank">jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr</a>&gt;, Alexandre Petrescu <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr" target=3D"_blank">Ale=
xandre.Petrescu@cea.fr</a>&gt;, Alexandre Petrescu <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr" target=3D"_blank">ale=
xandre.petrescu@cea.fr</a>&gt;, Nabil Benamar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n.benam=
ar@est.umi.ac.ma" target=3D"_blank">n.benamar@est.umi.ac.ma</a>&gt;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Thierry Ernst &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr" target=3D=
"_blank">thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr</a>&gt;, Jong-Hyouk Lee <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr" target=3D"_blank">jonghyouk=
@smu.ac.kr</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt<br>
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>
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&gt; <br>
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sion of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11<br>
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r>
&gt; OCB)<br>
&gt; Document date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2018-11-19<br>
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&gt; URL: <br>
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over=
-80211ocb-31.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org=
/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt</a><br>
&gt; Status: <br>
&gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-802=
11ocb/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/d=
oc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/</a><br>
&gt; Htmlized: <br>
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11ocb-31" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31</a><br>
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<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-ove=
r-80211ocb" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.o=
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&gt; Diff: <br>
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80211ocb-31" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcd=
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&gt; <br>
&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 ne=
tworks running<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, ea=
rlier<br>
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0there is a need to define a few parameters such as =
the supported<br>
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nk, the header<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value wi=
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ers for IPv6 and<br>
&gt; IEEE<br>
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Great, thanks!

On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 20:27 +0100, Nabil Benamar wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> Sure. We'll send it soon!
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nabil Benamar
> -------------------
> نبيل بنعمرو
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:25 PM Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > Thanks a lot Alex and Nabil. I'll take a look at it in the next
> > days.
> > 
> > During the meeting we discussed with Nabil that we need an e-mail
> > collecting all the issues from 6man reviews where you authors
> > explain
> > how each of the issues has been addressed. Can you guys please send
> > that e-mail?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Carlos 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 19:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> > > Hi IPWAVErs,
> > > 
> > > Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB
> > slides
> > > by 
> > > Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB
> > draft.
> > > 
> > > This is the ChangeLog:
> > > 
> > > - filled in the section titled "Pseudonym Handling";
> > > - removed a 'MAY NOT' phrase about possibility of having other
> > >    prefix than the LL on the link between cars;
> > > - shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now
> > with
> > >    DNAv6;
> > > - improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship
> > to
> > >    packet loss;
> > > - changed the title of an appendix from 'EPD' to 'Protocol
> > Layering';
> > > - improved the 'Aspects introduced by OCB' appendix with a few
> > > phrases
> > >    about the channel use and references.
> > > 
> > > This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.
> > > 
> > > Alex
> > > 
> > > -------- Message transféré --------
> > > Sujet : New Version Notification for 
> > > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > > Date : Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:01:52 -0800
> > > De : internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > > Pour : Jerome Haerri <Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr>, 
> > > ipwave-chairs@ietf.org, 
> > > Jerome Haerri <jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu 
> > > <Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu 
> > > <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>, Nabil Benamar <
> > n.benamar@est.umi.ac.ma>,
> > >  
> > > Thierry Ernst <thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr>, Jong-Hyouk Lee 
> > > <jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > > has been successfully submitted by Alexandre Petrescu and posted
> > to
> > > the
> > > IETF repository.
> > > 
> > > Name:         draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
> > > Revision:     31
> > > Title:                Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE
> > 802.11
> > > Networks operating 
> > > in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-
> > 80211-
> > > OCB)
> > > Document date:        2018-11-19
> > > Group:                ipwave
> > > Pages:                41
> > > URL: 
> > > 
> > 
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > > Status: 
> > > 
> > 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/
> > > Htmlized: 
> > > 
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31
> > > Htmlized: 
> > > 
> > 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
> > > Diff: 
> > > 
> > 
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31
> > > 
> > > Abstract:
> > >     In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks
> > running
> > >     outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier
> > > "802.11p")
> > >     there is a need to define a few parameters such as the
> > supported
> > >     Maximum Transmission Unit size on the 802.11-OCB link, the
> > header
> > >     format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it,
> > and
> > >     others.  This document describes these parameters for IPv6
> > and
> > > IEEE
> > >     802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on
> > 802.11-
> > > OCB
> > >     similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by
> > using an
> > >     Ethernet Adaptation Layer.
> > > 
> > >  
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Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,
Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07

Could you share your review within this December?

Once I get your comments, I will address yours along with the co-authors.

Thanks again.

Best Regards,
Paul
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,<div>=
Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:</div><di=
v><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networ=
king-07">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking=
-07</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Could you share your review within thi=
s December?</div><div><br></div><div>Once I get your comments, I will addre=
ss yours along with the co-authors.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul<br>-- <br><div dir=3D=
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Dear All,

Generally speaking, there was no substantial modification about ND.  There
were many clarifications, text improvements, all in the direction of
supporting the statement that ND works on OCB, and how it does so.

There were approximately 42 public emails, and about 10 in private, about
the ND topic, since the AD request for review to 6man in June 2018.

Following these ND-related discussions, the draft was updated from -26 to
-31.  One can use the 'diff' button on the GUI of tools.ietf.org to see the
precise text changes.

An abstract description of these ND-related changes is the following (most
recent first):

-31: o removed a 'MAY NOT' phrase about the possibility of having other
prefixes than the LL on the link between cars;

     o shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with
DNAv6;

     o improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to
packet loss;

     o changed the title of an appendix from 'EPD' to 'Protocol Layering';

     o improved the 'Aspects introduced by OCB' appendix with a few phrases
about the channel use and references.

-30: a clarification on the reliability of ND over OCB and over 802.11.

-29: added text in SLAAC section about opaque interface IDs and the risks
of not using them.

-28: improved the text about address generation from random MAC address,
including "the length of the Interface ID MAY be 118 decimal."

-26: o moved text from SLAAC section and from Design Considerations
       appendix about privacy into a new Privacy Considerations subsection
       of the Security section;

     o reformulated the SLAAC and IID sections to stress only LLs can use
EUI-64;

     o removed the "GeoIP" wireshark explanation;

     o reformulated SLAAC and LL sections;

     o added brief mention of need of use LLs;

     o clarified text about MAC address changes.

-25: improved text for IID formation for SLAAC, inserting recommendation
for RFC8064 before RFC2464.

-24: Addressed the comments on 6MAN: replaced a sentence about ND problem
with "is used over 802.11-OCB".



Here are some other specific comments received from Lorenzo Colliti and
Brian Carpenter.



Comment received from Lorenzo Colitti:



=E2=80=9CI read the document but I don't understand how IPv6 over this type=
 of
network will work. The document says that IPv6 ND over this link type is
unspecified. If ND is not specified, then how will communication work?



This is made worse by the fact that the document says "The procedure for
mapping IPv6 unicast addresses into Ethernet link-layer addresses is
described in [RFC4861]."  But RFC 4861 *is* neighbour discovery, which this
document says is unspecified on this link type.=E2=80=9D



Answer:



Previous text in the draft:
    The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
    802.11-OCB links.  The reliability of the ND protocol over 802.11-OCB
    is the reliability of the delivery of ND multicast messages.  This
    reliability is the same as the reliability of delivery of ND
    multicast messages over 802.11 links operated with a BSS ID.

Current text in version 31:


    The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over
    802.11-OCB links.  Due to lack of associations in 802.11-OCB
    unicast has the same reliability as multicast. The ND
    retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of unicast and multicast
    just as it does on 802.11 BSS.



Comment received from Brian Carpenter:



=E2=80=9CThe draft seems to say that even if address assignment succeeds,

neighbour discovery won't work, since multicast doesn't work either.=E2=80=
=9D



Answer (with the help of Erik Nordmark):



OCB supports muticast just like normal 802.11.

There are not acknowledgements for unicast packets hence the loss
characteristics for unicast frames are the same as for multicast, but
that doesn't prevent neighbor discovery from being used.

The exact deployment (radio environment, speed of vehicles, etc) will
effect how useful it is for different applications, but that's out of
scope for the ip-over-foo specification.


Finally, I would like to thank Erik Nordmark for his help in clarifying and
rewording the remaining issues and ambiguous parts in the text.







Best regards
Nabil Benamar
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:25 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.u=
c3m.es>
wrote:

> Thanks a lot Alex and Nabil. I'll take a look at it in the next days.
>
> During the meeting we discussed with Nabil that we need an e-mail
> collecting all the issues from 6man reviews where you authors explain
> how each of the issues has been addressed. Can you guys please send
> that e-mail?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 19:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> > Hi IPWAVErs,
> >
> > Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB slides
> > by
> > Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB draft.
> >
> > This is the ChangeLog:
> >
> > - filled in the section titled "Pseudonym Handling";
> > - removed a 'MAY NOT' phrase about possibility of having other
> >    prefix than the LL on the link between cars;
> > - shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with
> >    DNAv6;
> > - improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to
> >    packet loss;
> > - changed the title of an appendix from 'EPD' to 'Protocol Layering';
> > - improved the 'Aspects introduced by OCB' appendix with a few
> > phrases
> >    about the channel use and references.
> >
> > This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > -------- Message transf=C3=A9r=C3=A9 --------
> > Sujet : New Version Notification for
> > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > Date : Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:01:52 -0800
> > De : internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > Pour : Jerome Haerri <Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr>,
> > ipwave-chairs@ietf.org,
> > Jerome Haerri <jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu
> > <Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr>, Alexandre Petrescu
> > <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>, Nabil Benamar <n.benamar@est.umi.ac.ma>,
> >
> > Thierry Ernst <thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr>, Jong-Hyouk Lee
> > <jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr>
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Alexandre Petrescu and posted to
> > the
> > IETF repository.
> >
> > Name:         draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb
> > Revision:     31
> > Title:                Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11
> > Networks operating
> > in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-
> > OCB)
> > Document date:        2018-11-19
> > Group:                ipwave
> > Pages:                41
> > URL:
> >
>
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb=
-31.txt
> > Status:
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/
> > Htmlized:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31
> > Htmlized:
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211oc=
b
> > Diff:
> >
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-=
31
> >
> > Abstract:
> >     In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks running
> >     outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier
> > "802.11p")
> >     there is a need to define a few parameters such as the supported
> >     Maximum Transmission Unit size on the 802.11-OCB link, the header
> >     format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and
> >     others.  This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and
> > IEEE
> >     802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11-
> > OCB
> >     similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an
> >     Ethernet Adaptation Layer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission
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> >
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the channel use and references.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">-30: a clarification on the reliabi=
lity of ND over OCB and over 802.11.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">-29: added text in SLAAC section ab=
out opaque interface IDs and the risks of not using them.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">-28: improved the text about addres=
s generation from random MAC address, including &quot;the length of the Int=
erface ID MAY be 118 decimal.&quot;</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">-26: o moved text from SLAAC sectio=
n and from Design Considerations<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 appendi=
x about privacy into a new Privacy Considerations subsection<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 of the Security section;=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o reformul=
ated the SLAAC and IID sections to stress only LLs can use EUI-64;=C2=A0</f=
ont></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o removed =
the &quot;GeoIP&quot; wireshark explanation;=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o reformul=
ated SLAAC and LL sections;=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o added br=
ief mention of need of use LLs;=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o clarifie=
d text about MAC address changes.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">-25: improved text for IID formatio=
n for SLAAC, inserting recommendation for RFC8064 before RFC2464.</font></p=
>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">-24: Addressed the comments on 6MAN=
: replaced a sentence about ND problem with &quot;is used over 802.11-OCB&q=
uot;.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Calibri=
"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Here are some other specific commen=
ts received from Lorenzo Colliti and Brian Carpenter.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Comment received from Lorenzo Colit=
ti:</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=E2=80=9CI read the document but I =
don&#39;t understand how IPv6 over this type of network will work. The docu=
ment says that IPv6 ND over this link type is unspecified. If ND is not spe=
cified, then how will communication work?</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">This is made worse by the fact that=
 the document says &quot;The procedure for mapping IPv6 unicast addresses i=
nto Ethernet link-layer addresses is described in [RFC4861].&quot;=C2=A0 Bu=
t RFC 4861 *is* neighbour discovery, which this document says is unspecifie=
d on this link type.=E2=80=9D</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Answer:</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Previous text in the draft:<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used over<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 802.11-OCB links.=C2=A0 The reliability of the ND protocol ov=
er 802.11-OCB<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is the reliability of the delivery of ND mul=
ticast messages.=C2=A0 This<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reliability is the same as the=
 reliability of delivery of ND<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 multicast messages over 802=
.11 links operated with a BSS ID.<br>
<br>
Current text in version 31:</font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"backg=
round-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;bac=
kground-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;ma=
rgin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Calibri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"=
4"><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] is used=
 over<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 802.11-OCB links.=C2=A0 Due to lack of associations =
in 802.11-OCB<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 unicast has the same reliability as multicas=
t. The ND<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 retransmissions are supposed to handle loss of u=
nicast and multicast<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 just as it does on 802.11 BSS.</font>=
</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Comment received from Brian Carpent=
er:</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=E2=80=9CThe draft seems to say tha=
t even if address assignment succeeds,</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">neighbour discovery won&#39;t work,=
 since multicast doesn&#39;t work either.=E2=80=9D</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Answer (with the help of Erik Nordm=
ark):</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">OCB supports muticast just like nor=
mal 802.11.</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">There are not acknowledgements for =
unicast packets hence the loss=C2=A0<br>characteristics for unicast frames =
are the same as for multicast, but=C2=A0<br>that doesn&#39;t prevent neighb=
or discovery from being used.<br>
<br>The exact deployment (radio environment, speed of vehicles, etc) will=
=C2=A0<br>effect how useful it is for different applications, but that&#39;=
s out of=C2=A0<br>scope for the ip-over-foo specification.</font></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-position:init=
ial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:ini=
tial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Calibri"><=
font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4"><br></font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:=
initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip=
:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Calibri"><font color=3D"#0b539=
4" size=3D"4"><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> Finally, I would like to thank Erik Nordmar=
k for his help in clarifying and rewording the remaining issues and ambiguo=
us=C2=A0parts in the text.</span><br></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-positio=
n:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-orig=
in:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Cali=
bri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-family:Calibri=
"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</font></p>

<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:Calibri"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=C2=A0</f=
ont></span></div><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Best regards</font></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">Nabil Benamar</font></div><div =
dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"text-align:left"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">--=
-----------------</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"te=
xt-align:left"><font color=3D"#0b5394" size=3D"4">=D9=86=D8=A8=D9=8A=D9=84 =
=D8=A8=D9=86=D8=B9=D9=85=D8=B1=D9=88</font></div><div dir=3D"rtl" style=3D"=
text-align:left"><font color=3D"#0b5394"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"rtl" =
style=3D"text-align:left"><font color=3D"#0b5394"><span></span><span></span=
><br></font></div><div><font color=3D"#0b5394"><br></font></div><div><font =
color=3D"#0b5394"><br><br><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div><font color=3D"#0b5394"><br><br></f=
ont><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0b5394">On =
Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:25 PM Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color=3D"#0b5394">Thanks a lot Alex an=
d Nabil. I&#39;ll take a look at it in the next days.<br>
<br>
During the meeting we discussed with Nabil that we need an e-mail<br>
collecting all the issues from 6man reviews where you authors explain<br>
how each of the issues has been addressed. Can you guys please send<br>
that e-mail?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Carlos <br>
<br>
On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 19:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi IPWAVErs,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Following the discussion during presentation of the IPv6/OCB slides<br=
>
&gt; by <br>
&gt; Nabil during IPWAVE WG meeting, I have updated the IPv6/OCB draft.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is the ChangeLog:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; - filled in the section titled &quot;Pseudonym Handling&quot;;<br>
&gt; - removed a &#39;MAY NOT&#39; phrase about possibility of having other=
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 prefix than the LL on the link between cars;<br>
&gt; - shortened and improved the paragraph about Mobile IPv6, now with<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 DNAv6;<br>
&gt; - improved the ND text about ND retransmissions with relationship to<b=
r>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 packet loss;<br>
&gt; - changed the title of an appendix from &#39;EPD&#39; to &#39;Protocol=
 Layering&#39;;<br>
&gt; - improved the &#39;Aspects introduced by OCB&#39; appendix with a few=
<br>
&gt; phrases<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 about the channel use and references.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This fixes all issues about ND and pseudonym handling.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Alex<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -------- Message transf=C3=A9r=C3=A9 --------<br>
&gt; Sujet : New Version Notification for <br>
&gt; draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt<br>
&gt; Date : Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:01:52 -0800<br>
&gt; De : <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" sty=
le=3D"">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Pour : Jerome Haerri &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr" t=
arget=3D"_blank" style=3D"">Jerome.Haerri@eurecom.fr</a>&gt;, <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ipwave-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D""=
>ipwave-chairs@ietf.org</a>, <br>
&gt; Jerome Haerri &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr" target=
=3D"_blank" style=3D"">jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr</a>&gt;, Alexandre Petrescu=
 <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr" target=3D"_blank" sty=
le=3D"">Alexandre.Petrescu@cea.fr</a>&gt;, Alexandre Petrescu <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr" target=3D"_blank" sty=
le=3D"">alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr</a>&gt;, Nabil Benamar &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:n.benamar@est.umi.ac.ma" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"">n.benamar@est.umi=
.ac.ma</a>&gt;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Thierry Ernst &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr" target=3D=
"_blank" style=3D"">thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr</a>&gt;, Jong-Hyouk Lee <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"=
">jonghyouk@smu.ac.kr</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31.txt<br>
&gt; has been successfully submitted by Alexandre Petrescu and posted to<br=
>
&gt; the<br>
&gt; IETF repository.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-802=
11ocb<br>
&gt; Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A031<br>
&gt; Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Transmis=
sion of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11<br>
&gt; Networks operating <br>
&gt; in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-<b=
r>
&gt; OCB)<br>
&gt; Document date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2018-11-19<br>
&gt; Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ipwave<b=
r>
&gt; Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 41<br>
&gt; URL: <br>
&gt; <br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over=
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<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-802=
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f.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31</a><br>
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<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-ove=
r-80211ocb" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"">https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb</a><br>
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-=
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tf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-31</a><br>
&gt; <br>
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tworks running<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, ea=
rlier<br>
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thin it, and<br>
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ers for IPv6 and<br>
&gt; IEEE<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0802.11-OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IP=
v6 on 802.11-<br>
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&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
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&gt; Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of<br>
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Hi,

We've just posted the minutes:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-ipwave-00

Please send corrections/comments by Friday, November 30th.

Thanks a lot to Jong-Hyouk for taking the minutes!

Cheers,

Carlos


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Hi Charlie,
I missed you as a volunteer reviewer.
Sorry for that.

Could you give us your feedback by the end of this December, too?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

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=EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:

> Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,
> Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
>
> Could you share your review within this December?
>
> Once I get your comments, I will address yours along with the co-authors.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Best Regards,
> Paul
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> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Charlie,<div dir=3D"auto">I missed you as a volunteer =
reviewer.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Sorry for that.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
><div dir=3D"auto">Could you give us your feedback by the end of this Decem=
ber, too?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Best Regards,</div><div dir=3D=
"auto">Paul</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">2018=EB=85=84 11=EC=9B=94 21=EC=9D=BC (=EC=88=98) =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 1:27=
=EC=97=90 Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.c=
om">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt;=EB=8B=98=EC=9D=B4 =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi =
Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,<div>Thanks for your volunteering on the r=
eview of our IPWAVE PS draft:</div><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking=
-07</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Could you share your review within thi=
s December?</div><div><br></div><div>Once I get your comments, I will addre=
ss yours along with the co-authors.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul<br>-- <br><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"m_-7739823370000498837gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>Mr=
. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>Associate Professor<br>Department of Softw=
are<br>Sungkyunkwan University<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email: <a href=
=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jae=
hoon.paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">pauljeong@skku.e=
du</a><br>Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaeho=
on-jeong.php" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://iotlab.skku.edu/p=
eople-jaehoon-jeong.php</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
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Hi Amelia,

I just stumbled across this earlier email from you, sorry, late.

I wonder whether you still feel like this modification is needed?

Currently the draft -31 still says:
>    In 802.11-OCB networks, the MAC addresses MAY change during well
>    defined renumbering events.  In the moment the MAC address is changed
>    on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IPv6
>    addresses assigned to that interface MUST change.

Alex

Le 07/11/2018 à 06:19, Nabil Benamar a écrit :
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nabil
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Amelia Andersdotter* <amelia@article19.org 
> <mailto:amelia@article19.org>>
> Date: Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 11:51
> Subject: Re: Meet at 11:20 Wed to talk about OCB draft?
> To: Erik Nordmark <nordmark@sonic.net <mailto:nordmark@sonic.net>>, 
> Nabil Benamar <benamar73@gmail.com <mailto:benamar73@gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> I change my mind on section 2. It makes sense to append, in section 5.2,
> to change the first paragraph:
> 
> "In 802.11-OCB networks, the MAC addresses MAY change during well
> defined renumbering events.  In the moment the MAC address is changed on
> an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IPv6 addresses
> assigned to that interface MUST change."
> 
> to the following:
> 
> "In 802.11-OCB networks, the MAC addresses MAY change during well
> defined renumbering events. This procedure is also referred to as
> pseudonym handling in [I-D.ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking] or
> re-addressing (in IEEE WAVE and ETSI documentation). In the moment the
> MAC address is changed on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface
> Identifiers of IPv6 addresses assigned to that interface MUST change."
> 
> and then cut section 4.1.
> 
> This would address my concern from the review.
> 
> best,
> A
> 
> On 2018-11-06 16:11, Erik Nordmark wrote:
>  > On 11/6/18 05:54, Nabil Benamar wrote:
>  >> It sounds good for me Erik.
>  >> Where shall we meet?
>  >
>  > How about we meet at the IETF registration desk then we can go find a
>  > place to sit?
>  >
>  >    Erik
>  >
>  >>
>  >> Best regards
>  >> Nabil
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 15:54 Erik Nordmark <nordmark@sonic.net 
> <mailto:nordmark@sonic.net>
>  >> <mailto:nordmark@sonic.net <mailto:nordmark@sonic.net>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Nabil,
>  >>     does that time work to go over your changes and mine+6man comments?
>  >>
>  >>     FWIW I've been looking a bit at the set of diffs in:
>  >>
>  >> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30.txt&url1=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-25.txt
>  >>
>  >>     Amelia,
>  >>     you're welcome to join if you want to go over the resolution to your
>  >>     comments in detail.
>  >>
>  >>          Erik
>  >>
>  >
> 
> -- 
> Amelia Andersdotter
> Technical Consultant, Digital Programme
> 
> ARTICLE19
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Hi,

For completeness: I received email from Amelia.

No more modification is necessary at this time.

We continue with -31.

Yours,

Alex


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For your information: please see the liaison statement from ITU-R.

This does not call for any action on the part of the IPWAVE WG.

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> Title: LIAISON STATEMENT TO EXTERNAL ORGANISATIONS ON THE REVISION OF =
RECOMMENDATION ITU-R M.2084-0
> Submission Date: 2018-11-21
> URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1613/
>=20
> From: Sergio Buonomo <sergio.buonomo@itu.int>
> To: Carlos Bernardos <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>,Russ Housley =
<housley@vigilsec.com>
> Cc: Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org>,IP Wireless Access in =
Vehicular Environments Discussion List <its@ietf.org>,Russ Housley =
<housley@vigilsec.com>,Carlos Bernardos =
<cjbc@it.uc3m.es>,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,Suresh Krishnan =
<suresh@kaloom.com>
> Response Contacts: sergio.buonomo@itu.int
> Technical Contacts:=20
> Purpose: For information
>=20
> Body: On the previous liaison statement, WP 5A had informed external =
organizations that ITU was working on finalizing the revision of =
Recommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 =E2=80=9CRadio interface standards of =
vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure communications for =
Intelligent Transport System applications=E2=80=9D.=20
>=20
> At its November 2018 meeting, WP 5A noted that there are still =
requests from some external organizations to allow more time for =
providing further inputs of their standards and technical =
specifications. After further considerations, WP 5A agreed that the =
finalization of the draft revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 be =
left to its next WP 5A meeting from 29th April to 9th May 2019. The =
current draft revised version of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 is attached =
for reference.=20
>=20
> WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated information, if =
any, on technical standards, including the hyperlink information in =
association with the standards material provided. WP 5A will consider =
the input contributions at its next meeting from 29th April to 9th May =
2019. The deadline for submission of contributions is prior to 16:00 =
hours (UTC) on 22 April 2019.
> Attachments:
>=20
>    R15-WP5A-C-0976!N22!MSW-E
>    =
https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2018-11-21-itu-r-wp5=
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Le 26/11/2018 à 21:21, Russ Housley a écrit :
> For your information: please see the liaison statement from ITU-R.
> 
> This does not call for any action on the part of the IPWAVE WG.
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
>> Title: LIAISON STATEMENT TO EXTERNAL ORGANISATIONS ON THE REVISION
>> OF RECOMMENDATION ITU-R M.2084-0 Submission Date: 2018-11-21 URL of
>> the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1613/
>> 
>> From: Sergio Buonomo <sergio.buonomo@itu.int> To: Carlos Bernardos
>> <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>,Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Cc: Terry
>> Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org>,IP Wireless Access in
>> Vehicular Environments Discussion List <its@ietf.org>,Russ Housley
>> <housley@vigilsec.com>,Carlos Bernardos
>> <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,Suresh Krishnan
>> <suresh@kaloom.com> Response Contacts: sergio.buonomo@itu.int 
>> Technical Contacts: Purpose: For information
>> 
>> Body: On the previous liaison statement, WP 5A had informed
>> external organizations that ITU was working on finalizing the
>> revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 “Radio interface
>> standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure
>> communications for Intelligent Transport System applications”.
>> 
>> At its November 2018 meeting, WP 5A noted that there are still
>> requests from some external organizations to allow more time for
>> providing further inputs of their standards and technical
>> specifications. After further considerations, WP 5A agreed that the
>> finalization of the draft revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084
>> be left to its next WP 5A meeting from 29th April to 9th May 2019.
>> The current draft revised version of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 is
>> attached for reference.

There is no attachment(?)

Alex

>> WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated information,
>> if any, on technical standards, including the hyperlink information
>> in association with the standards material provided. WP 5A will
>> consider the input contributions at its next meeting from 29th
>> April to 9th May 2019. The deadline for submission of contributions
>> is prior to 16:00 hours (UTC) on 22 April 2019. Attachments:
>> 
>> R15-WP5A-C-0976!N22!MSW-E 
>> https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2018-11-21-itu-r-wp5a-ipwave-liaison-statement-to-external-organisations-on-the-revision-of-recommendation-itu-r-m2084-0-attachment-1.docx
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Hi Paul,

I have a few comments to the draft that I would like to mention.

At this time, I do not request to modify the draft.  Thank you.

Here are my comments:

In the V2V section:
- do not forget there is a funny typo: "obstables".
- the 4 paragraphs in this section read good and make sense.
- at ISO/TC204, there is recently an activity called
   "Vehicle to Vehicle Intersection Collision Warning System (VVICW)"
   The private Word document ISO 23376:20##(E) has 16 pages and I can
   discuss it in private with interested parties.

In the V2I section:
- the three paragraphs read good.

- in addition, in my project, we consider V2I to also mean direct
   communication between the car and the nearby Traffic Lights
   Controller.

   The communication between the car and the traffic lights controller
   can happen in two distinct V2I ways: from car to TCC and back to
   traffic lights controller, or from car to traffic traffic lights
   controller (not through TCC).

   The end-to-end protocol between car and traffic lights controller can
   be the same protocol as the protocol between TCC and the traffic
   lights controller.  In France that protocol is called "DIASER".  But,
   for international (maybe France - Netherlands) we also consider the
   ISO protocol called "PRESTO".  DIASER runs over IP (and on serial),
   but we wonder whether PRESTO runs over IP.

In section "5.1.2 Routing":
- the section lists "VANET Geo Routing",
   but we do not use geographical routing.
- the section lists
   "IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for IP-Based Vehicular Networks"
   for potential use for V2V communications.
   Instead, we use RFC4191 "More Specific Routes".
   This RFC4191 has a problem in that it is only for Hosts.
   We want RFC4191 to be for Routers as well.
   This RFC4191 is partially implemented in two alternatives in linux:
   (1) in the linux kernel and (2) in openwrt's odhcp6c.  The latter
   needs a little bit of extension because by default it is not capable
   of doing _only_ "more specific routes", it wants to also do default
   route and address autoconfiguration.

Alex

Le 21/11/2018 à 05:27, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a écrit :
> Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,
> Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> 
> Could you share your review within this December?
> 
> Once I get your comments, I will address yours along with the co-authors.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Paul
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Hi Alex,
I will address your comments with other reviewers' comments for the
revision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM Alexandre Petrescu <
alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> I have a few comments to the draft that I would like to mention.
>
> At this time, I do not request to modify the draft.  Thank you.
>
> Here are my comments:
>
> In the V2V section:
> - do not forget there is a funny typo: "obstables".
> - the 4 paragraphs in this section read good and make sense.
> - at ISO/TC204, there is recently an activity called
>    "Vehicle to Vehicle Intersection Collision Warning System (VVICW)"
>    The private Word document ISO 23376:20##(E) has 16 pages and I can
>    discuss it in private with interested parties.
>
> In the V2I section:
> - the three paragraphs read good.
>
> - in addition, in my project, we consider V2I to also mean direct
>    communication between the car and the nearby Traffic Lights
>    Controller.
>
>    The communication between the car and the traffic lights controller
>    can happen in two distinct V2I ways: from car to TCC and back to
>    traffic lights controller, or from car to traffic traffic lights
>    controller (not through TCC).
>
>    The end-to-end protocol between car and traffic lights controller can
>    be the same protocol as the protocol between TCC and the traffic
>    lights controller.  In France that protocol is called "DIASER".  But,
>    for international (maybe France - Netherlands) we also consider the
>    ISO protocol called "PRESTO".  DIASER runs over IP (and on serial),
>    but we wonder whether PRESTO runs over IP.
>
> In section "5.1.2 Routing":
> - the section lists "VANET Geo Routing",
>    but we do not use geographical routing.
> - the section lists
>    "IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for IP-Based Vehicular Networks"
>    for potential use for V2V communications.
>    Instead, we use RFC4191 "More Specific Routes".
>    This RFC4191 has a problem in that it is only for Hosts.
>    We want RFC4191 to be for Routers as well.
>    This RFC4191 is partially implemented in two alternatives in linux:
>    (1) in the linux kernel and (2) in openwrt's odhcp6c.  The latter
>    needs a little bit of extension because by default it is not capable
>    of doing _only_ "more specific routes", it wants to also do default
>    route and address autoconfiguration.
>
> Alex
>
> Le 21/11/2018 =C3=A0 05:27, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a =C3=A9crit :
> > Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,
> > Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
> >
> > Could you share your review within this December?
> >
> > Once I get your comments, I will address yours along with the co-author=
s.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Paul
> > --
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> > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> > Associate Professor
> > Department of Software
> > Sungkyunkwan University
> > Office: +82-31-299-4957
> > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com <mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>,
> > pauljeong@skku.edu <mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu>
> > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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Paul,<br>
<br>
I have a few comments to the draft that I would like to mention.<br>
<br>
At this time, I do not request to modify the draft.=C2=A0 Thank you.<br>
<br>
Here are my comments:<br>
<br>
In the V2V section:<br>
- do not forget there is a funny typo: &quot;obstables&quot;.<br>
- the 4 paragraphs in this section read good and make sense.<br>
- at ISO/TC204, there is recently an activity called<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;Vehicle to Vehicle Intersection Collision Warning System=
 (VVICW)&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The private Word document ISO 23376:20##(E) has 16 pages and I=
 can<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0discuss it in private with interested parties.<br>
<br>
In the V2I section:<br>
- the three paragraphs read good.<br>
<br>
- in addition, in my project, we consider V2I to also mean direct<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0communication between the car and the nearby Traffic Lights<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Controller.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The communication between the car and the traffic lights contr=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0can happen in two distinct V2I ways: from car to TCC and back =
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic lights controller, or from car to traffic traffic ligh=
ts<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0controller (not through TCC).<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The end-to-end protocol between car and traffic lights control=
ler can<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be the same protocol as the protocol between TCC and the traff=
ic<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0lights controller.=C2=A0 In France that protocol is called &qu=
ot;DIASER&quot;.=C2=A0 But,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for international (maybe France - Netherlands) we also conside=
r the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ISO protocol called &quot;PRESTO&quot;.=C2=A0 DIASER runs over=
 IP (and on serial),<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0but we wonder whether PRESTO runs over IP.<br>
<br>
In section &quot;5.1.2 Routing&quot;:<br>
- the section lists &quot;VANET Geo Routing&quot;,<br>
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Hi Paul,

Thank you for the reply.

In this particular case, I am not asking to make modifications to the draft.

But, for my information, I would like to learn: what protocol is used in 
in S Korea to communicate with the traffic lights controller?

I need such a protocol in a use-case where the car may have the ability 
to ask, under certain circumstances, the traffic light to turn to green, 
or to learn how much time is left for red.

In France that protocol is called "DIASER" (it is an abbreviation for 
"DIAlogue Standard des Equipements de Régulation de trafic".)

At ISO, which is an International SDO, there is "PRESTO" (ISO 22951:2009 
"Data dictionary and message sets for preemption and prioritization 
signal systems for emergency and public transport vehicles (PRESTO)).

Alex

Le 28/11/2018 à 02:28, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a écrit :
> Hi Alex,
> I will address your comments with other reviewers' comments for the 
> revision.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Paul
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM Alexandre Petrescu 
> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Paul,
> 
>     I have a few comments to the draft that I would like to mention.
> 
>     At this time, I do not request to modify the draft.  Thank you.
> 
>     Here are my comments:
> 
>     In the V2V section:
>     - do not forget there is a funny typo: "obstables".
>     - the 4 paragraphs in this section read good and make sense.
>     - at ISO/TC204, there is recently an activity called
>         "Vehicle to Vehicle Intersection Collision Warning System (VVICW)"
>         The private Word document ISO 23376:20##(E) has 16 pages and I can
>         discuss it in private with interested parties.
> 
>     In the V2I section:
>     - the three paragraphs read good.
> 
>     - in addition, in my project, we consider V2I to also mean direct
>         communication between the car and the nearby Traffic Lights
>         Controller.
> 
>         The communication between the car and the traffic lights controller
>         can happen in two distinct V2I ways: from car to TCC and back to
>         traffic lights controller, or from car to traffic traffic lights
>         controller (not through TCC).
> 
>         The end-to-end protocol between car and traffic lights
>     controller can
>         be the same protocol as the protocol between TCC and the traffic
>         lights controller.  In France that protocol is called "DIASER". 
>     But,
>         for international (maybe France - Netherlands) we also consider the
>         ISO protocol called "PRESTO".  DIASER runs over IP (and on serial),
>         but we wonder whether PRESTO runs over IP.
> 
>     In section "5.1.2 Routing":
>     - the section lists "VANET Geo Routing",
>         but we do not use geographical routing.
>     - the section lists
>         "IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for IP-Based Vehicular Networks"
>         for potential use for V2V communications.
>         Instead, we use RFC4191 "More Specific Routes".
>         This RFC4191 has a problem in that it is only for Hosts.
>         We want RFC4191 to be for Routers as well.
>         This RFC4191 is partially implemented in two alternatives in linux:
>         (1) in the linux kernel and (2) in openwrt's odhcp6c.  The latter
>         needs a little bit of extension because by default it is not capable
>         of doing _only_ "more specific routes", it wants to also do default
>         route and address autoconfiguration.
> 
>     Alex
> 
>     Le 21/11/2018 à 05:27, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a écrit :
>      > Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,
>      > Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:
>      > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
>      >
>      > Could you share your review within this December?
>      >
>      > Once I get your comments, I will address yours along with the
>     co-authors.
>      >
>      > Thanks again.
>      >
>      > Best Regards,
>      > Paul
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Hi,
I wanted to give an update about my quest for this protocol for traffic 
lights controller.

I received private indication from another person that S Korea is likely 
to use SPAT messaging for communications between car to talk to traffic 
lights.

That said, here is the 4 points I wanted to tell the list:

1. I was afraid of SPAT, as much of BSM, because their specification is 
paying (cca 100USD) on SAE website.  When behind a paywall, one cant say 
much about it.  But what I needed was only the ASN.1 specification 
(grammar) in order to implement automatically.  Such a grammar is 
available for free for CAM messages in publicly available ETSI ITS 
documents in Europe.  Such a grammar was not available for free for SPAT 
in America, and I had no means to tell whether the J2735 contained it, 
because behind a paywall.

Another person sent me an earlier version of J2735, but that is 
currently held by some security filters for 24h, so I still cant see it.

Until then, I found out much to my trill, that asn1 playground site 
gives that specification for free.  Just go to "asn1 playground", select 
schema "ITS J2735" and click on "ASN.1 Specification".  That will output 
the "ITS 20J2735.asn" file.  This file can then, supposedly, be 
automatically processed by the open source asn1c software, to generate 
parsers and generators for SPAT, BSM and probably MAP, if not others too.

2. another implementer told me that there are some problems of 
interoperability of BSM messages.  It has to do with UPER vs apparently 
deprecated DER/BER, with 0x20 vs 0x02 problems (endianness?) and others. 
  Since BSM is same spec as SPAT (J2735), this can risk become a huge 
problem of interoperability between cars and RSUs that I am concerned about.

To that end, I would very much like to put BSMs on XER (rather than 
UPER/BER/DER), and thus on IP, just like several of us put CAMs on XER 
on IP in the car.  XER is easily understandable by many people and 
computers, because clear text.

3. I wait for an answer to learn what protocol is used on Traffic Lights 
in Netherlands (I know France is DIASER, S Korea and America are SPAT).

4. In a Traffic Light, there are clearly two distinct computers: the 
Traffic Light Controller (TLC), and the Road-Side Unit (RSU).  The TLC 
has no 802.11-OCB interface, but does have Ethernet, serial, and 
potentially 4G.  The RSU has 802.11-OCB in addition to the others.

In France, the TLC does not implement SPAT/MAP.  It implements DIASER. 
It's the RSU that implements SPAT/MAP.  The RSU has, or can have, a 
software converter SPAT-DIASER.  So a car requesting green, would use at 
least two converters (one in car, one in RSU) between two protocols, 
rather than a pure end-to-end transmission like when I browse the web 
with HTTP.

In S Korea, and in America, there is SPAT/MAP, but it is not clear 
whether that is implemented by TLC or by RSU, or by both.  My 
supposition is that only the RSU implements SPAT/MAP (not the TLC). 
Because the preference for UPER encoding rules for SPAT means that is 
for wireless, so not for Ethernet.  TLC does not have wireless.

I wait for an answer telling whether in America it's the TLC or the RSU 
that implement SPAT/MAP.

Alex

Le 28/11/2018 à 13:43, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Thank you for the reply.
> 
> In this particular case, I am not asking to make modifications to the 
> draft.
> 
> But, for my information, I would like to learn: what protocol is used in 
> in S Korea to communicate with the traffic lights controller?
> 
> I need such a protocol in a use-case where the car may have the ability 
> to ask, under certain circumstances, the traffic light to turn to green, 
> or to learn how much time is left for red.
> 
> In France that protocol is called "DIASER" (it is an abbreviation for 
> "DIAlogue Standard des Equipements de Régulation de trafic".)
> 
> At ISO, which is an International SDO, there is "PRESTO" (ISO 22951:2009 
> "Data dictionary and message sets for preemption and prioritization 
> signal systems for emergency and public transport vehicles (PRESTO)).
> 
> Alex
> 
> Le 28/11/2018 à 02:28, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a écrit :
>> Hi Alex,
>> I will address your comments with other reviewers' comments for the 
>> revision.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM Alexandre Petrescu 
>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Paul,
>>
>>     I have a few comments to the draft that I would like to mention.
>>
>>     At this time, I do not request to modify the draft.  Thank you.
>>
>>     Here are my comments:
>>
>>     In the V2V section:
>>     - do not forget there is a funny typo: "obstables".
>>     - the 4 paragraphs in this section read good and make sense.
>>     - at ISO/TC204, there is recently an activity called
>>         "Vehicle to Vehicle Intersection Collision Warning System 
>> (VVICW)"
>>         The private Word document ISO 23376:20##(E) has 16 pages and I 
>> can
>>         discuss it in private with interested parties.
>>
>>     In the V2I section:
>>     - the three paragraphs read good.
>>
>>     - in addition, in my project, we consider V2I to also mean direct
>>         communication between the car and the nearby Traffic Lights
>>         Controller.
>>
>>         The communication between the car and the traffic lights 
>> controller
>>         can happen in two distinct V2I ways: from car to TCC and back to
>>         traffic lights controller, or from car to traffic traffic lights
>>         controller (not through TCC).
>>
>>         The end-to-end protocol between car and traffic lights
>>     controller can
>>         be the same protocol as the protocol between TCC and the traffic
>>         lights controller.  In France that protocol is called 
>> "DIASER".     But,
>>         for international (maybe France - Netherlands) we also 
>> consider the
>>         ISO protocol called "PRESTO".  DIASER runs over IP (and on 
>> serial),
>>         but we wonder whether PRESTO runs over IP.
>>
>>     In section "5.1.2 Routing":
>>     - the section lists "VANET Geo Routing",
>>         but we do not use geographical routing.
>>     - the section lists
>>         "IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for IP-Based Vehicular Networks"
>>         for potential use for V2V communications.
>>         Instead, we use RFC4191 "More Specific Routes".
>>         This RFC4191 has a problem in that it is only for Hosts.
>>         We want RFC4191 to be for Routers as well.
>>         This RFC4191 is partially implemented in two alternatives in 
>> linux:
>>         (1) in the linux kernel and (2) in openwrt's odhcp6c.  The latter
>>         needs a little bit of extension because by default it is not 
>> capable
>>         of doing _only_ "more specific routes", it wants to also do 
>> default
>>         route and address autoconfiguration.
>>
>>     Alex
>>
>>     Le 21/11/2018 à 05:27, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a écrit :
>>      > Hi Sri Gundavelli and Jung-Soo Park,
>>      > Thanks for your volunteering on the review of our IPWAVE PS draft:
>>      > 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07
>>      >
>>      > Could you share your review within this December?
>>      >
>>      > Once I get your comments, I will address yours along with the
>>     co-authors.
>>      >
>>      > Thanks again.
>>      >
>>      > Best Regards,
>>      > Paul
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