From jefsey@jefsey.com Fri Apr 17 06:19:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3EF3A6ABC for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nqP3sr4qDlm0 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39A53A6868 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 174.22.199-77.rev.gaoland.net ([77.199.22.174]:3071 helo=jfcmh.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lunza-0003Z7-4C for iucg@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:20:30 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:20:25 +0200 To: iucg@ietf.org From: jefsey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20090417131917.C39A53A6868@core3.amsl.com> Subject: [iucg] working framework X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:19:18 -0000 Dear friends, the dispute over the IETF IDNA drains too much of our scarce time. It shows that there is an industry increasing influence, FLOSS already opposed in a recent DoS against the IETF list. The idea behind the IUCG is to stay independent from that internal dispute in being at an "w2w" (we to we or user to user, nousanous) level. The current IDNA analysis shows that the Internet actually misses a few key compenents, starting with the presentation layer. However, it also shows that if encapsulating the Internet limited model into a more complete (and innovative, yet 25 years old) model, it is possible to tansparently obtain a brand new internet model. This is the Network Extended Model I propose you to work on, and to implement in using the Internet PLUS concept we already debbuged. The target is not only to get a better international network system, but also to support the current evolution where : - the digital convergence of all the computer (assisted) systems, media, applicances etc. - starts meeting the emergence of the huge semantic effort carried by the JTC1/SC32 for example in metadata. The proposition here is to further extend the NEM to try to build a "cartography" of the logic of the universe. Because we have reached a time where the true systemic of what we do (starting with the network bandwidth availability and routing) is to be approached on the basis of chaos theories and that we necessarily change of paradigm. We need intellectural room and appropriate images to think about it. We also need appropriate tools for the mathematic and semantic merge. This is why I suggest we engage into a Common Lisp study and investigation. Focusing on interaction with context, speed, robustness, coherence, attractors, etc. These are just ideas to see if there is an interest. And to decide if we can builing a thinking/working group on this or not. jfc From xlegoff@gmail.com Fri Apr 17 08:21:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F64B3A69ED for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qaThomS5Eduu for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f176.google.com (mail-ew0-f176.google.com [209.85.219.176]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A933A6EAA for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so272773ewy.37 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:22:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=kNOyvKzwJNoLvxNY3jyaD7Y7cpia5Lt2DxoxzMYyevo=; b=cDdam/BC4YIbGA5EHSOGwphSEZBdIn1QPKZKvYjpZLMrQNvwYiFlD0t/kqTJFA/+X3 k3hZ6/xjRy+JT1eYFOju4sH7eZIyuJznHHVtWWzNMi/er3ATFyVNf5BEOx26oNQac1CJ ogACng/J1EspZZZt7g0rWAfwjZOaoV+YDU0+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=dzLEYtvYHdzclJyYdvKsArN9ZHasLIbyQ2nJCiRx3MyRRo9AYgo5fKi0SOwGEiuHLx 2KdenFv40f0NSu+UHLCGdms59ij7+E509wwClS8q2JLrXUIsQNPcGhTeYXwqR/jikFIq Xv1kGsMu6v2OE7xgSxOV/3KdaeYFHLTN7qkDg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.73 with SMTP id 51mr528480wea.52.1239981772792; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:22:52 +0200 Message-ID: From: Xavier Legoff To: iucg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fa1661864370467c1c1e1 Subject: Re: [iucg] working framework X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:16:23 -0000 --0016367fa1661864370467c1c1e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > At 15:20 17/04/2009, jefsey wrote: > Dear friends, > the dispute over the IETF IDNA drains too much of our scarce time. It shows > that there is an industry increasing influence, FLOSS already opposed in a > recent DoS against the IETF list. The idea behind the IUCG is to stay > independent from that internal dispute in being at an "w2w" (we to we or > user to user, nousanous) level. The current IDNA analysis shows that the > Internet actually misses a few key compenents, starting with the > presentation layer. > > However, it also shows that if encapsulating the Internet limited model > into a more complete (and innovative, yet 25 years old) model, it is > possible to tansparently obtain a brand new internet model. This is the > Network Extended Model I propose you to work on, and to implement in using > the Internet PLUS concept we already debbuged. There would then be a need for clearer definitions? Or is it precisely what you have in mind? > The target is not only to get a better international network system, but > also to support the current evolution where : > > - the digital convergence of all the computer (assisted) systems, media, > applicances etc. > - starts meeting the emergence of the huge semantic effort carried by the > JTC1/SC32 for example in metadata. > > The proposition here is to further extend the NEM to try to build a > "cartography" of the logic of the universe. You mean you wish to give a try to your old ontography project? If I am correct your first idea was to document the difference with a model and to discuss a methodology? The first thing could then be to discuss the difference betwen a model and a diagram? etc. in order to build a clear terminology to associate with the ontology (as what is generally observed - context - norms - truth) and the model (as what is specifically discussed - uterance - standards - imagination)? > Because we have reached a time where the true systemic of what we do > (starting with the network bandwidth availability and routing) is to be > approached on the basis of chaos theories and that we necessarily change of > paradigm. We need intellectural room and appropriate images to think about > it. We also need appropriate tools for the mathematic and semantic merge. > This is why I suggest we engage into a Common Lisp study and investigation. > Focusing on interaction with context, speed, robustness, coherence, > attractors, etc. Interesting idea. But we would need a teacher. XL > > These are just ideas to see if there is an interest. And to decide if we > can builing a thinking/working group on this or not. > jfc > --0016367fa1661864370467c1c1e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At 15:20 17/04/2009, jefsey wrote:
Dear friends,
the dispute over the IETF IDNA drains too much of our scarce time. It shows= that there is an industry increasing influence, FLOSS already opposed in a= recent DoS against the IETF list. The idea behind the IUCG is to stay inde= pendent from that internal dispute in being at an "w2w" (we to we= or user to user, nousanous) level. The current IDNA analysis shows that th= e Internet actually misses a few key compenents, starting with the presenta= tion layer.

However, it also shows that if encapsulating the Internet limited model int= o a more complete (and innovative, yet 25 years old) model, it is possible = to tansparently obtain a brand new internet model. This is the Network Exte= nded Model I propose you to work on, and to implement in using the Internet= PLUS concept we already debbuged.

There would then be a need for clearer definitions? Or = is it precisely what you have in mind?
=A0
The target is not only to get a better international network system, but al= so to support the current evolution where :

- the digital convergence of all the computer (assisted) systems, media, ap= plicances etc.
- starts meeting the emergence of the huge semantic effort carried by the J= TC1/SC32 for example in metadata.

The proposition here is to further extend the NEM to try to build a "c= artography" of the logic of the universe.

<= div>You mean you wish to give a try to your old ontography project? If I am= correct your first idea was to document the difference with a model and to= discuss a methodology? The first thing could then be to discuss the differ= ence betwen a model and a diagram? etc. in order to build a clear terminolo= gy to associate with the ontology (as what is generally observed - context = - norms - truth) and the model (as what is specifically discussed - uteranc= e - standards - imagination)?=A0
=A0
Because we have reached a time where the true systemic of what we do (star= ting with the network bandwidth availability and routing) is to be approach= ed on the basis of chaos theories and that we necessarily change of paradig= m. We need intellectural room and appropriate images to think about it. We = also need appropriate tools for the mathematic and semantic merge. This is = why I suggest we engage into a Common Lisp study and investigation. =A0Focu= sing on interaction with context, speed, robustness, coherence, attractors,= etc.

Interesting idea. But we would need a teacher.

XL
=A0

These are just ideas to see if there is an interest. And to decide if we ca= n builing a thinking/working group on this or not.
jfc

--0016367fa1661864370467c1c1e1-- From xlegoff@gmail.com Fri Apr 17 09:16:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32203A6826 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:16:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.710, BAYES_00=-2.599, EMPTY_MESSAGE=1.439, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_SUBJECT=1.762, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wE6mAbleCpE for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f168.google.com (mail-ew0-f168.google.com [209.85.219.168]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C071A28C154 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so1246244ewy.16 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=WJYnVqtir9fGmlFzyqcwANLXqC9vGa4P6h04lhDHCh8=; b=u3sdDpLoknly+Z610Ks6VEJKxyUU3aZDUsGeacnt+LAUnl3/55ImzRLjSbG61mSLFJ AnOotUWLOZMCzWPVBMctuOwYJmTkUnJZzEpwH0ys6eHkrjWGHqkf1ATLjWiBWkAWk1xn QmUtjLLPQ0GRLW6gt9mzOXgaq3lqj55rFq66g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uFMzsyM/UAHwqk8Gs0PfLxu8+eplcBFTugM8KuwhmCScpb5uvMkd/HBcAKBNdeeDId SJ9zq2+T1kdi2G1INe5HCavROZB9jHVhWLfTtwz+eW7KNfQp7dz6u7YmikgrmBt987jF Wx4k3nMVdmGc8cYQxiFOVvJPl80XLIEwCbrXA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.29.196 with SMTP id i46mr531389wea.113.1239985024743; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:17:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Xavier Legoff To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e2f4eed37e40467c28216 Subject: [iucg] (no subject) X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:46:11 -0000 --0016368e2f4eed37e40467c28216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --0016368e2f4eed37e40467c28216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
--0016368e2f4eed37e40467c28216-- From eblanconil@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 15:52:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FC23A6AF0 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U0FmAKb6Werz for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6E63A692C for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2744100wfg.31 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:53:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=d1BVvcCg8HtUVozL3nO3Le06uIthoM4pHO7nAqp3Rdg=; b=kw4gb5jG76W9YqDpU2PaDwYlwu5UhqF+TLf/UbTtUFhX7BuECfIrhqNRbDvk5uTD0V T7PUYa+7GHpw1e0QSPKAY7OWL/uqxg0v6Pb/H3NLF9hqFKH3U17xUjg7xGkjnBC8wEWw 5c5staFjc1FT2ibA/QDS94l2douv5mzDuERVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hwWIzd9mjyXjRWjI4kdjTnCuaS6QJ4Sopi9QTBfLt/wIsvm/mWw0SUUkrwhsZ6D06u /j8uuoqtVJP+nSEKdpIF36SYZwnLURbbAYmqHe3RyzNThFrk3Jtw239WDmB4XhTxWLyu gbj95n9NKM8pYgeu486FQCVyYLeBI9rAt0P8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr4561023wfr.145.1240268032194; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:53:51 +0200 Message-ID: <6589127a0904201553r28337882o355355c138e0b940@mail.gmail.com> From: Elisabeth Blanconil To: iucg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd311a27c38ee0468046750 Subject: [iucg] Reference list X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:52:37 -0000 --000e0cd311a27c38ee0468046750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jefsey, if you want I could manage a reference list of documents, books, etc. that could help other internet lead users to keep track with what we dicsuss. The first experience is that we may have sophisticated people from different disciplines lurking on our pages. They will need to understand where some of the concepts come from, or who Culioli or Thom, or Connes, or Liebniz, or Pouzin, or Aristotle are in the communications area ? Elisabeth Blanconil --000e0cd311a27c38ee0468046750 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jefsey,
if you want I could manage a reference list of documents, books,= etc. that could help other internet lead users to keep track with what we = dicsuss. The first experience is that we may have sophisticated people from= different disciplines lurking on our pages. They will need to understand w= here some of the concepts come from, or who Culioli or Thom, or Connes, or = Liebniz, or Pouzin, or Aristotle are in the communications area ?
Elisabeth Blanconil

--000e0cd311a27c38ee0468046750-- From jefsey@jefsey.com Mon Apr 20 17:13:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DEC3A68C3 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id osLfNjov4Spv for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA62C3A67F4 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 12.207.69-86.rev.gaoland.net ([86.69.207.12]:2226 helo=jfcmh.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lw3dI-0000lH-QJ for iucg@core3.amsl.com; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:14:41 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:14:36 +0200 To: iucg@core3.amsl.com From: jefsey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - core3.amsl.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20090421001325.CA62C3A67F4@core3.amsl.com> Subject: [iucg] "cerf-control" X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:13:26 -0000 Further to the "cerf-control" issues, I suggest that we focus first on its analysis to make sure we evaluate correctly the internet/intersem situation irt our own dependance in a (de)centralized environment. Then we could evaluate the impact of distributing the different relational space referent systems. And study the cons/pros. jfc From stelancel@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 15:45:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20B73A6D88 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1dzTDnTo3SwX for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52E33A69A2 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so1161814mue.9 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=6ywolJFvSfqLWgLhTrJk1656zfrwlTAterIncjdw/gA=; b=Jgic/acRoznZlYaYW3AWqp7soz8uBsZBGnFLGE17OhhZVnchcMDKilsPwtvBxp4+m9 bXBlmddjaMktiyFdxaOPa8Jw+7bx7XIlomMjTi1q1WPr6YA93vBQg3hldIOQjzCwI3KF To1Q6E8j5Jgvk5mZAKrvzW+dpnjaQ9B2couAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=is93jgb/RF6Ht9OdYtAzVrG6qP3sghMY7/weowe0n8BWOIhTHObZcsQvjIUKAlacdN dA6BjK17S7W5wLMdwzD2XeWNMwDR+lPu0+F6OcmzdVc/RB6mA23l9OlFTkuektFapON8 4TThO78oG/WBxNLgzK2OBJSLUcji5w+Uf9mDE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.160.84 with SMTP id b20mr277054hbd.149.1240267575237; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:46:15 +0200 Message-ID: <5b164ee60904201546u3139ea75g39f17c1d9ed407e0@mail.gmail.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Lancel?= To: iucg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b9f563f9e870468044c52 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:14:53 -0700 Subject: [iucg] IDNA issues + Louis Pouzin Society inputs X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:45:02 -0000 --0016363b9f563f9e870468044c52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The remarks that we received on the ietf@ietf.org list were either absurd (uninformed people) or very pertinent (Paul Hoffmann, Andrew Sullivan, even Michel PY who totally misunderstood the situation but gave a good advice). Some other private inputs I gather show that some do not believe in IDNs at all (may be what Mark and Vint think after all?), and that others do not understand the real stakes. We really should now start from very basic things? In recalling ourselves that most in the IETF have an inductive newtonian approach. They belong the "hypotheses non fingo" - Don't fix what ain't broken - pre-Einstein area. What is obvious to us from JFC is not from them. Also, you are probably aware now through the Comptoir and Jean-Marc L=E9vy Dreyfus that John Day and Michael O'Dell have started the Louis Pouzin Society. http://pouzinsociety.org. May be interesting to analyse their propositions? St=E9phane Lancel --0016363b9f563f9e870468044c52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The remarks that we received on the ietf@i= etf.org list were either absurd (uninformed people) or very pertinent (= Paul Hoffmann, Andrew Sullivan, even Michel PY who totally misunderstood th= e situation but gave a good advice). Some other private inputs I gather sho= w that some do not believe in IDNs at all (may be what Mark and Vint think = after all?), and that others do not understand the real stakes.

We really should now start from very basic things? In recalling ourselv= es that most in the IETF have an inductive newtonian approach. They belong = the "hypotheses non fingo" - Don't fix what ain't broken = - pre-Einstein area. What is obvious to us from JFC is not from them.

Also, you are probably aware now through the Comptoir and Jean-Marc L= =E9vy Dreyfus that John Day and Michael O'Dell have started the Louis P= ouzin Society. http://pouzinsociety.or= g. May be interesting to analyse their propositions?

St=E9phane Lancel
--0016363b9f563f9e870468044c52-- From jefsey@jefsey.com Mon Apr 27 05:20:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B4428C0F7 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.629 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.629 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.630, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dCEM+o9fMD-A for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C0C28C127 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eurolab.net2.nerim.net ([213.41.175.161]:1705 helo=jfcmh.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LyPq9-0004qH-MM for iucg@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:21:44 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:21:38 +0200 To: iucg@ietf.org From: jefsey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20090427122024.07C0C28C127@core3.amsl.com> Subject: [iucg] Two new authors X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:20:24 -0000 Dear all, two new IUCG wiki authors today : - Elisabeth Blanconil: http://iucg.org/wiki/User:Elisabeth_Blanconil - Alessandro Vesely: http://iucg.org/wiki/User:Ale2009 Elisabeth suggested to create and maintain a list of reference links. jfc From jefsey@jefsey.com Wed Apr 29 00:05:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403C83A6B55 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:05:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.648 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.648 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.654, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_MEDS=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HjxEqiSm+x+x for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4367D3A6A57 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eurolab.net2.nerim.net ([213.41.175.161]:1718 helo=jfcmh.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lz3s4-00087C-J5 for iucg@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:06:21 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:06:16 +0200 To: iucg@ietf.org From: jefsey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_78091312==.ALT" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20090429070459.4367D3A6A57@core3.amsl.com> Subject: [iucg] SAS X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:05:00 -0000 --=====================_78091312==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le WG-IDNABIS attend un projet de notre part en ce qui concerne le système d'adressage sémantique. Voici une tentative de trame de travail. The WG-IDNABIS expects we send them an I_D on the semantic addressing system. Here is a temptative framework. Merci des commentaires Thx for comments jfc Intro: Ce mémo ne concerne que la présentation syntaxique et grammaticale de l'adressage sémantique. 1. les adresses sémantiques forment un système multilingue de repérage ouvert humainement interintelligible et techniquement interopérables des domaines notionnels. 2. les adresses sémantiques consistent en une systémation de la fonction génitive par enchainement logique de ses termes au moyen de liaisons fortes et faibles. 3. le repérage peut se faire soit du général au particulier (pointage endodynamique), soit du particulier au général (pointage exodynamique). 4. la pleine polynymie sémantique, significative, linguistique et topologique des termes utilisables doit permettre l'interrésolution des niveaux d'adressage. 5. à tous les niveaux d'adressage le système est indifférent aux écritures et solutions de codage universelles, linguistiques, interlinguistiques et multilinguistiques de ses termes. 6. les adresses adhérent à leur classes d'usage, groupes de destination, époque et présentations contextuelles à travers la pragmatique de leur ancrage spacio-relationnel. 7. le routage sémantique est assuré par cohérence de référenciation et de raisonnement ontographique. Applications : - français - anglais - common lisp - structures informatiques - noms de domaines multilingues - traitement sémantique ---- Introduction : This memo relates to only the syntactic and grammatical presentation of semantic addressing. 1. the semantic addresses form a multilingual system of humanly interintelligible opened location and technically interoperable of the notional domains. 2. the semantic addresses consist of a systemation of the genitive function by logical chaining of its terms by means of strong and weak connections. 3. the location can be made either of general to particular (endodynamic pointing), or from particular to general (exodynamic pointing). 4. the full semantic, significant, linguistic and topological of polynymy of the usable terms must allow the interresolution of the levels of addressing. 5. on all the levels of addressing the system is indifferent to the scripts and solutions of universal, linguistic, interlinguistic and multilinguistic coding of its terms. 6. the addresses adhere to their classes of use, groups of destination, time and contextual presentation through the pragmatics of their spacio-relational anchoring. 7. the semantic routing is ensured by coherence of ontographic referenciation and reasoning. Applications: - French - English - common lisp - data-processing structures - multilingual domain names - semantic processing --=====================_78091312==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le WG-IDNABIS attend un projet de notre part en ce qui concerne le système d'adressage sémantique. Voici une tentative de trame de travail.
The WG-IDNABIS expects we send them an I_D on the semantic addressing system. Here is a temptative framework.
Merci des commentaires
Thx for comments
jfc


Intro: Ce mémo ne concerne que la présentation syntaxique et grammaticale de l'adressage sémantique.
 
1. les adresses sémantiques forment un système multilingue de repérage ouvert humainement interintelligible et techniquement interopérables des domaines notionnels.
2. les adresses sémantiques consistent en une systémation de la fonction génitive par enchainement logique de ses termes au moyen de liaisons fortes et faibles.
3. le repérage peut se faire soit du général au particulier (pointage endodynamique), soit du particulier au général (pointage exodynamique).
4. la pleine polynymie sémantique, significative, linguistique et topologique des termes utilisables doit permettre l'interrésolution des niveaux d'adressage.
5. à tous les niveaux d'adressage le système est indifférent aux écritures et solutions de codage universelles, linguistiques, interlinguistiques et multilinguistiques de ses termes.
6. les adresses adhérent à leur classes d'usage, groupes de destination, époque et présentations contextuelles à travers la pragmatique de leur ancrage spacio-relationnel.
7. le routage sémantique est assuré par cohérence de référenciation et de raisonnement ontographique.

Applications :

- français
- anglais
- common lisp
- structures informatiques
- noms de domaines multilingues
- traitement sémantique

----
 
Introduction : This memo relates to only the syntactic and grammatical presentation of semantic addressing.
 
1. the semantic addresses form a multilingual system of humanly interintelligible opened location and technically interoperable of the notional domains.
2. the semantic addresses consist of a systemation of the genitive function by logical chaining of its terms by means of strong and weak connections.
3. the location can be made either of general to particular (endodynamic pointing), or from particular to general (exodynamic pointing).
4. the full semantic, significant, linguistic and topological of polynymy of the usable terms must allow the interresolution of the levels of addressing.
5. on all the levels of addressing the system is indifferent to the scripts and solutions of universal, linguistic, interlinguistic and multilinguistic coding of its terms. 
6. the addresses adhere to their classes of use, groups of destination, time and contextual presentation through the pragmatics of their spacio-relational anchoring.
7. the semantic routing is ensured by coherence of ontographic referenciation and reasoning. 


Applications: 

- French
- English
- common lisp
- data-processing structures
- multilingual domain names
- semantic processing

 

 



--=====================_78091312==.ALT-- From eblanconil@gmail.com Wed Apr 29 08:36:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C8E3A6EE0 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.706, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_MEDS=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hF2HIzIQ+HB0 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D547728C104 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so948092wff.31 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4Zpz7h+HMzvT7Fbcl9XJy5E+VIY5DIzxSwQ0ER64/mI=; b=H4I+pLOcmn9ePEAHd6lIovEvRnRDIJjYckFIZq5d33ktuIa+EnJxP9xB4cQcJg0Dr2 p8BT++tWLuM8gztKBx64LT7gVfvlNKLXMKWQ2c8IqQdToSvfQ5gViDamjXLAwBr+aS64 QWHyVlbZTXR0/yI5e9ZckThBQwLRmosu8OQsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nGu4nuMGNBmRICcFt9yqLNsBw0C6Es5OV8MBOYD4Xde5DFN19hPYyFuE/VNzuIvKWP kyMTHPWYZf2fpizM/XcjTF9KDKOIodbgXp/UP9QqTt49ObYgddsGkVn8MNLYXaE7+KyD UV6kA+/uGhmreDPz35zpH1zOp2aOObgqFRWw0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.211.7 with SMTP id j7mr125368wfg.28.1241019482106; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090429070459.4367D3A6A57@core3.amsl.com> References: <20090429070459.4367D3A6A57@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:38:02 +0200 Message-ID: <6589127a0904290838p60981f2agb86795c46f83280f@mail.gmail.com> From: Elisabeth Blanconil To: internet users contributing group Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3327863ea620468b35d0b Subject: Re: [iucg] SAS X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:36:47 -0000 --000e0cd3327863ea620468b35d0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Il commence =E0 y avoir un texte fran=E7ais int=E9ressant sur le Wiki. http://iucg.org/wiki/Draft_S=E9mantique_Adressing Merci de vos commentaires. Il serait bien de pouvoir r=E9pondre =E0 Lisa Dussault cette buit avec quel= que chose qui lui fasse comprendre que l'on n'est pas totalement hors son sujet= . Eli Le 29 avril 2009 09:06, jefsey a =E9crit : > Le WG-IDNABIS attend un projet de notre part en ce qui concerne le syst= =E8me > d'adressage s=E9mantique. Voici une tentative de trame de travail. > The WG-IDNABIS expects we send them an I_D on the semantic addressing > system. Here is a temptative framework. > Merci des commentaires > Thx for comments > jfc > > --000e0cd3327863ea620468b35d0b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Il commence =E0 y avoir un texte fran=E7ais int=E9ressant sur le Wiki.
<= a href=3D"http://iucg.org/wiki/Draft_S%C3%A9mantique_Adressing">http://iucg= .org/wiki/Draft_S=E9mantique_Adressing
Merci de vos commentaires.Il serait bien de pouvoir r=E9pondre =E0 Lisa Dussault cette buit avec que= lque chose qui lui fasse comprendre que l'on n'est pas totalement h= ors son sujet.

Eli


Le 29 avril 2009 09:06, jefse= y <jefsey@jefsey.= com> a =E9crit :
Le WG-IDNABIS attend un projet de notre part en ce qui concerne le syst=E8me d'adressage s=E9mantique. Voici une tentative de trame de tra= vail.
The WG-IDNABIS expects we send them an I_D on the semantic addressing system. Here is a temptative framework.
Merci des commentaires
Thx for comments
jfc


--000e0cd3327863ea620468b35d0b-- From jefsey@gmail.com Wed Apr 29 10:03:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C363A7154 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.228, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u4zTPO0XtV5L for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f163.google.com (mail-bw0-f163.google.com [209.85.218.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE9D3A6A4D for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so1301662bwz.37 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GbUhnge2//xGrGmMw1nkaUGuLYFfkzGu9UrjdkE//fQ=; b=KNNunyZsuq1d7hUYYvnXzmLwfOnJ9pLNjVy4yf0j9AWhpG+4Jr+a3IPFAvLG/TxeLi yKPaETBcTw3xHQxxpW5REXGCFEgHONztEjKwe9l1iMhae3tNHJpMcFR3f1Jj2cgp6org 0ae14xkvUON7pbvlX3lbM7s8bAD0eSO9g33zM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=k4apl9mqJPY/ZVofCdVmSjOo5LF1mkR0DkSDtKUS6iHDg5eqRjyXPcpmk97C8Rwpl0 aHO3vEjDa763zKTIHK+Z/KwltKeYDdZRdNxq1Nta+Ro9v6Hb4tN7ExMKtoiDeFgcuEgp MoeSWepb875MndaETHeuNoXUVliNXyp7UoEAw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jefsey@gmail.com Received: by 10.223.127.8 with SMTP id e8mr337572fas.95.1241024711150; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1f9674ed0904291000h36378bc9td4aaf415b22c1a78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f9674ed0904291000h36378bc9td4aaf415b22c1a78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:05:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ba87b85f58752d0e Message-ID: <1f9674ed0904291005x6830f0dcm706e7157075e6a52@mail.gmail.com> From: JFC Morfin To: iucg@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [iucg] Fwd: semantic addressing X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:03:50 -0000 To follow on Elisabeth's suggestion. Attention: all this is really rushed :-) jfc ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JFC Morfin Date: 2009/4/29 Subject: semantic addressing To: Lisa Dusseault Dear Lisa, the semantic addressing is a big piece of cake. As I explained I did not expect to document it top down, but to get it progressively embedded bottom up into the IDNA and extensions. As discussed yesterday I have accepted to spend a few days on it and get it reviewed by IUCG/france@large followers. The working page (currently in French) is http://iucg.org/wiki/Adressage_S%C3%A9mantique_-_Semantic_Addressing I hope to have it in rough English (so at least everyone can understand what it is about) tonight. Beware : the Intersem is a very particular beast (a complete big strata above the Internet by its own). It is not what I rush a presentation of (there are many, many things to discuss/document), but only the notional domain addressing syntax and grammar. There are therefore two main parties for you : - what belongs to semantic addressing, which is quite external to WG-IDNABIS concerns, but explains the background of the semantic addressing in general, its power, and its capacity to support the DNS and Unicode the way the Charter and John Klensin/Patrick Falstr=F6m describe it (I believe at least). - the description of its general implementation in the DNS, its support of an Internet presentation virtual layer, and therefore its capacity to transparently support languages as well (at least for protocols that document the DNs). My effort today was focused on the first part. I suppose it will still be tonight. When I have documented enough the semiophysic multilinguistic model (so given the detail of the utterance pile layers) I will concentrate on the documentation of the 100% IDNA support (plus French and other Latin language extension - which is only particular due to ASCII and not to French). I will then see if I can document as well the ML-DNS issues, which have nothing to do with "multilingual" but with things like "multiledger" (and multilayer, what I introduced above) and multilateral governance. jfc