From jefsey@jefsey.com Sun May 12 17:01:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AFB21F8599 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 17:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id deh10dOO+VO0 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 17:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonic.altserver.com (sonic.altserver.com [72.34.37.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1342521F8574 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 17:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lns-c10k03-v-62-35-238-138.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr ([62.35.238.138]:65424 helo=MORFIN-PC.jefsey.com) by sonic.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UbgCt-0005Vo-QR; Sun, 12 May 2013 17:01:36 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 01:57:24 +0200 To: Alissa Cooper From: JFC Morfin In-Reply-To: <4ECABEA0-83A8-43A8-B50F-BB0AACC8B718@cdt.org> References: <516F3B35.8020105@bbiw.net> <4ECABEA0-83A8-43A8-B50F-BB0AACC8B718@cdt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sonic.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sonic.altserver.com: authenticated_id: jefsey+jefsey.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Message-Id: <20130513000137.1342521F8574@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: iucg , IUTF Subject: Re: [iucg] [IAB] Call for Comment: 'Privacy Considerations for Internet Protocols' X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 00:01:43 -0000 Alissa, I feel that the whole neutrality, privacy, open access, open use etc. issues should be carefully reviewed in the new international context of the Tallin Manual. I currently work on a presentation on the cyberspace in the 5 fileds continuum and I find that there is already a strong French Constitutional background due to the continuity with the natural environment that extand to and constrain the digital/artificial environment too. I am sure this is also the case in other countries. However, since it has never been internationally concordated there certainly are dicontinuities that cannot be only technically patched. One of the preoccupying issue I worked on a draft a few years ago is the precautionary principle and the proportional reparation issues. I have not the time to review your draft in details before ten days, so I cannot comment on the text itself as yet. I just ask if you feel confident the IAB position you want to express is within the international NATO limits which are probably within Russian and Chinese official limits. Aslo, I quite agree with Dave Cooper, IAB/IETF are dedicated to the end to end mechanics to support whatever surety, security, protection technically required by fringe to fringe intelligent use. I do not expect discussing privacy before this summer time there. Just to premature for emerging communities. Best jfc