From jefsey@jefsey.com Sun Dec 22 06:56:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ACE1ADE72 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:56:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.297 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, MISSING_MID=0.497] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pCUWOYzivAJ2 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonic.altserver.com (sonic.altserver.com [72.34.37.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C541ADE71 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lns-c10k03-v-62-35-238-138.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr ([62.35.238.138]:59620 helo=MORFIN-PC.jefsey.com) by sonic.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1VukSO-0005GL-1h for iucg@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:56:40 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:56:38 +0100 To: iucg@ietf.org From: JFC Morfin References: <5255CEA1.4060103@cafonso.ca> <5256DFC2.7010409@cafonso.ca> <147801cec5e2$83474590$89d5d0b0$@gmail.com> <52578D55.50605@itforchange.net> <52578F0F.50905@itforchange.net> <52579596.4090601@itforchange.net> <52582596.305@itforchange.net> <5258ECB0.4090500@itforchange.net> <525A4126.6080304@itforchange.net> <20131013085859.0a62e82b@quill> <20131013142742.47a9c405@quill> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sonic.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sonic.altserver.com: authenticated_id: jefsey+jefsey.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Subject: [iucg] what is the internet? X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:56:44 -0000 Dear Folks, An issue that is repetedly discussed is "what is the internet?". I have open the http://iucg.org/wiki/What_is_the_INTERNET%3F page to list the definition we could gather. This question seems to be quite important as for IUsers it becomes increasingly obvious that with a "set of rules" of 7,000 non compacted/organized RFCs (obsoleted are part of the technical culture and may have to be considered on some occasions, but which ones? So you have to include them): 1. it is technologically difficult to understand how the transport stratum works. 2. the use support stratum is not considered as such, except occasionnally (correspondance with the Web, IDNA, websocket; etc.) 3. the current system arrangement gives everyone the feeling that it does not scale to the IUse expectations. Therefore, it seems that we have to revive the project of a documentation of the Internet architecture. A first step would be to document the various définitions being used of the Internet in order to better know how to better introduce people to the differentiation of the transport and the use strata. Best regards jfc