From nobody Thu Jul 3 02:42:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4431B280A; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 02:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.631 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MISSING_MID=0.497] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kn0mmeo-ERoD; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 02:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.presenceweb.org (host.presenceweb.org [67.222.106.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 614B41B27E6; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 02:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 231.74.14.81.rev.sfr.net ([81.14.74.231]:42927 helo=GHM-SAM.dot.dj) by host.presenceweb.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X2dXJ-0003c5-2g; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 02:42:37 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:39:59 +0200 To: IAB IAB From: JFC Morfin In-Reply-To: <49918635-D566-4311-A621-4F16EB341B61@LStAmour.org> References: <20140701180108.GA51920@mx1.yitter.info> <49918635-D566-4311-A621-4F16EB341B61@LStAmour.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.presenceweb.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.presenceweb.org: authenticated_id: intl+dot.dj/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/iucg/Pmce5BXjPidKfWX84e0w80Hbe00 Cc: ianaplan@ietf.org, internetgovtech@iab.org, ianatransition@icann.org, "iucg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [iucg] [Internetgovtech] NTIA/IANA transition co-ordination group X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 09:42:40 -0000 At 16:28 02/07/2014, Lynn St.Amour wrote: > > Russ is an IAB member and Chair of the IAB, and is a member of the > > IAB's IANA Evolution program. Lynn continued as a member of the IAB's > > IANA Evolution program after stepping down recently as CEO of ISOC. These appointments are certainly an extremely wise choice in regard to an homogenous and efficient representation of the I*stablishment. The points now to clarify for them seem to be: 1. the consideration given to the IUsership as either a partner, a collateral or:and an acknowledged contingency planner. 2. ditto for the OpenStand signatorees, endorsers and supporters and ITU 3. the intent of every State and user to transition key Internet domain name functions to the global multistakeholder community. Also, when I consider http://www.ntia.doc.gov/other-publication/2014/iana-functions-and-related-root-zone-management-transition-questions-and-answ I see references made to "protocol numbers and Internet numbering resources", but the term "address" is missing. Have the appointees a clear understanding of what technically the NTIA is: - actually transfering when "the U.S. Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) [] announces its intent to transition key Internet domain name functions to the global multistakeholder community" - considering as the "global multistakeholder community". Are each and every one included on an equal footing? Are those ones I*organizations and States, Provider, IUser, people? Is this the WSIS and Sao Paulo people centered information society? The whole humanity? Its whole digital ecosystem. I believe that before discussing the stakes one should first agree upon the words being used to describe them. JFC Morfin From nobody Fri Jul 18 03:53:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AF11B299D for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.631 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MISSING_MID=0.497] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lde8eOnjgkTM for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.presenceweb.org (host.presenceweb.org [67.222.106.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCC341B299B for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 50.45.176.95.rev.sfr.net ([95.176.45.50]:23774 helo=MORFIN-PC.mail.jefsey.com) by host.presenceweb.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X85nD-0003mo-8i; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:53:35 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:53:26 +0200 To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org, Suresh Ramasubramanian , ,Paul Wilson , Pranesh Prakash From: Jefsey In-Reply-To: <14748f9c7f8.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.n et> References: <53C86C12.9070804@cis-india.org> <14748f9c7f8.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.presenceweb.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.presenceweb.org: authenticated_id: jefsey+jefsey.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/iucg/pS419_j9OSk5dRZTBxZDhdFuBeY Cc: "iucg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [iucg] [governance] Rupert Murdoch Says Businesses Should Have A Larger Say in Public Policy X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:53:41 -0000 At 12:17 18/07/2014, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >There are government reps and civil society groups that are just as >'good' ad Mr murdochs people are. They still do get a say in msm. So >despite everything, it will survive. I just that existing civil society groups may be inflitrated by NSAs, but are not representing interests of Independant Users like me, cities and villages, trades and cultures, private corporations, NGOs and Libre communities as such, I am supposed to interface at the IETF. Best jfc >On 18 July 2014 3:45:01 pm Jefsey wrote: > >>At 11:32 18/07/2014, Paul Wilson wrote: >> >God help the multistakeholder process if News Corp gets involved. >> >>Paul, >> >>are you meaning that News Corps are not (equal) stakeholders in the >>Information Society? Why would they not be on an equal footing with >>states and other stakeholders? What is worrying is an MS process >>where there are undefined "indirect" stakeholders and where >>independent users are not on an equal footing with everyone else. >> >>He does not plead for News Corp to have a larger say than ICANN, RIR, >>manufacturer, edge provider, ISP, etc. and other kind of >>corporations. But that the role permitted to the News Corps, and >>Corps in general, should be larger than what it is currently >>permitted in order to be in accordance to their effective weight in >>the human/computer/corporation society of today. >> >>I hope you do not say the same about independent users (IUsers)? >> >>Take care. >>jfc >> >> >> > > > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance@lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t