From nobody Wed Jan 16 15:29:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC86130E46 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:29:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FORGED_MUA_EUDORA=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrzSBEKs_RYW for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from host.presenceweb.org (host.presenceweb.org [67.222.106.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E1F112870E for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 251.47.14.81.rev.sfr.net ([81.14.47.251]:10052 helo=MORFIN-PC.jefsey.com) by host.presenceweb.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gjud7-0006sb-Tt for iucg@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:29:54 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:29:49 +0100 To: "iucg@ietf.org" From: Jefsey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.presenceweb.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.presenceweb.org: authenticated_id: jefsey+jefsey.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: host.presenceweb.org: jefsey@jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20190116232955.5E1F112870E@ietfa.amsl.com> Archived-At: Subject: [iucg] an inter-user protocol X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:29:56 -0000 My evaluation is that technological singularity is hapening at the foreseen date: now. When computers take precedence over people. However this is not technically but legally/politically felt/endorsed through computer aided decisions and e-government relations: code is globally taking the lead and making the law by virtue of an "algorithm makes right" principle. This means static/freezing governance (algorithms are learnt from collected, hence past/recent, big-data) while everyone feels the need for constant dynamic adaptation.. My ietf-user's (IUser) proposition is to consider and support the infodynamics between "interligent" users "cells" (them being any stand-alone functional system/nebularity). On a glocal agoric communications basis/paradigm. * glocal is globality from a local point of governance * "agoric" concept concerns the complex behaviour that happens on an agora, in a mobile non-hierarchical group, a brownian multitude acting possibly (negentropic auto-catalysis) through self-organization.processes. I use "agorics" as the generic term for polymatic logics, as cyberntics if for monomatic logics. This dates from my QNX extensions in the 90s. It also has emerged from cloud/network programming (Tymshare; Agorics Inc, Agoric.com), human sciences, etc. In a non-centralized, non-decentralized, meshed network where "everyhing is linked" (interligence), actions are retroactions between the autonomous functors of self-capable cells. Possibly scores of them, actually multitudes of them. I call "syllodata" the data between linked data. My point is the following: democracy is a decentralized network process to govern administrative hierarchies. Would we the people be digitally autonomous and able to directly polylogue together we could try to adjust together and reach consensuses. This would call for a common language among our cell, i.e. an universal inter-cell protocol. I wander if some members of this list have experience or interest in this area. Best jfcm