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The IESG has received a request from the JSON Mail Access Protocol WG (jmap)
to consider the following document: - 'Handling Message Disposition
Notification with JMAP'
  <draft-ietf-jmap-mdn-15.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


   This document specifies a data model for handling Message Disposition
   Notifications (MDNs, RFC 8098) in the JSON Meta Application Protocol
   (JMAP, RFCs 8620 and 8621).




The file can be obtained via
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the JSON Mail Access Protocol WG of the IETF.

        Title           : JMAP for Sieve Scripts
        Author          : Kenneth Murchison
	Filename        : draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-00.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2020-09-04

Abstract:
   This document specifies a data model for managing Sieve scripts on a
   server using JMAP.

Open Issues

   o  Do we need/want both "content" and "blobId" in the SieveScript
      object?  It may be simpler to have just one way of specifying
      content and "blobId" is more versatile and doesn't require JSON-
      encoding of the content.  Furthermore, use of the forthcoming(?)
      Blob/set method would avoid the extra roundtrip of having to
      upload the blob first.

   o  Should changes made by onSuccessActivateScript be reported in the
      response to the client-initiated request, or via a second implicit
      SIeveScript/set response?

   o  The strawman for SieveScript/test only uses blobIds.  Will this
      have to change once the issue regarding content/blobId in
      SieveScript is resolved?


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Reviewer: Joel Halpern
Review result: Ready

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just
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Document: draft-ietf-jmap-mdn-15
Reviewer: Joel Halpern
Review Date: 2020-09-11
IETF LC End Date: 2020-09-18
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Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard

Major issues: N/A

Minor issues: N/A

Nits/editorial comments: N/A




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Note that in the process of implementing SIeveScript/test I have decided 
that the list of actions in the response should be an array of objects 
rather than an array of strings.  I will create a -01 draft with these 
changes soonish.


On 9/6/20 8:46 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the JSON Mail Access Protocol WG of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : JMAP for Sieve Scripts
>          Author          : Kenneth Murchison
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 15
> 	Date            : 2020-09-04
>
> Abstract:
>     This document specifies a data model for managing Sieve scripts on a
>     server using JMAP.
>
> Open Issues
>
>     o  Do we need/want both "content" and "blobId" in the SieveScript
>        object?  It may be simpler to have just one way of specifying
>        content and "blobId" is more versatile and doesn't require JSON-
>        encoding of the content.  Furthermore, use of the forthcoming(?)
>        Blob/set method would avoid the extra roundtrip of having to
>        upload the blob first.
>
>     o  Should changes made by onSuccessActivateScript be reported in the
>        response to the client-initiated request, or via a second implicit
>        SIeveScript/set response?
>
>     o  The strawman for SieveScript/test only uses blobIds.  Will this
>        have to change once the issue regarding content/blobId in
>        SieveScript is resolved?
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-sieve/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-00
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-00
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
>


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the JSON Mail Access Protocol WG of the IETF.

        Title           : JMAP for Sieve Scripts
        Author          : Kenneth Murchison
	Filename        : draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-01.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2020-09-22

Abstract:
   This document specifies a data model for managing Sieve scripts on a
   server using JMAP.

Open Issues

   o  Do we need/want both "content" and "blobId" in the SieveScript
      object?  It may be simpler to have just one way of specifying
      content and "blobId" is more versatile and doesn't require JSON-
      encoding of the content.  Furthermore, use of the forthcoming(?)
      Blob/set method would avoid the extra roundtrip of having to
      upload the blob first.

   o  The strawman for SieveScript/test only uses blobIds.  Will this
      have to change once the issue regarding content/blobId in
      SieveScript is resolved?

   o  Should ":fcc" and associated arguments (e.g., ":flags",
      ":create":, etc) reported in the /test response be in their own
      "fcc" sub-object rather than listed inline with the rest of the
      arguments for the action?


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-sieve/

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-01
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-01

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Thank you for the work put into this document. It is clear and easy to read.

Please find below a couple of non-blocking COMMENT points.

I hope that this helps to improve the document,

Regards,

-éric

-- Section 2 --
While I can guess what is meant by "foreign (non-Internet) message", a more
formal description would probably be welcome.

-- Section 2.1 --
Wondering whether the values in this section are case sensitive? Section 2
clearly specifies that the fields must be lowercase. Is it useful to specify
whether case is important in this section?




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There are several places in the document where "header" should be changed to
"header field".

In Section 2.1, I think this could be a bit clearer:

OLD:

The following already registered SetError would mean:

NEW:

In this context, the existing SetError values defined in [reference] are
interpreted as follows:

In Sections 2.1 and 2.2:

This is totally a personal nit, and you're free to ignore me, but since I keep
tripping on it I'll mention it: In various places, "id" is used as a word
rather than an initialism, as in "The id of the account to use."  I keep
reading this as the English term from psychoanalysis rather than a truncation
of "identifier".  I'd probably be happier if the full word was used.  Also, in
the first bullet of Section 2, it's capitalized as "Id"; we should probably be
consistent.

In Section 3:

a) s/guaranty/guarantee/ (multiple instances)

b) There's an extension in Section 3.1 starting with "X-" that should probably
be revisited given BCP 178.




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Coupla comments:

> There are several places in the document where "header" should be changed to
> "header field".

> b) There's an extension in Section 3.1 starting with "X-" that should probably
> be revisited given BCP 178.

Yes, indeed, and I'm sorry I missed these in my review.  Flrg.

> This is totally a personal nit, and you're free to ignore me, but since I keep
> tripping on it I'll mention it: In various places, "id" is used as a word
> rather than an initialism, as in "The id of the account to use."  I keep
> reading this as the English term from psychoanalysis rather than a truncation
> of "identifier".  I'd probably be happier if the full word was used.

I agree that we should simply spell out "identifier", and I strongly
encourage that change.

> a) s/guaranty/guarantee/ (multiple instances)

How US-centric of you, Murray!

Barry

