From hartmans@mit.edu Wed May 4 08:57:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: karp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: karp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C13E077D for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.327, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oqSjlTQgIHE6 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.suchdamage.org (permutation-city.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DC6E06E0 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1218D2034A; Wed, 4 May 2011 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 2B52941F4; Wed, 4 May 2011 11:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: Joe Touch References: <7C362EEF9C7896468B36C9B79200D8350CFD0DED25@INBANSXCHMBSA1.in.alcatel-lucent.com> <201104200354.p3K3s1a4074026@harbor.orleans.occnc.com> <7C362EEF9C7896468B36C9B79200D8350CFD0DEDA8@INBANSXCHMBSA1.in.alcatel-lucent.com> <97E2B27346F84114B09AA21B678F3C05@china.huawei.com> <4DB91E2C.2020205@alcatel-lucent.com> <4DB93080.8040106@alcatel-lucent.com> <4DB966D5.6080304@joelhalpern.com> <4DB99D6F.6020205@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 11:57:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4DB99D6F.6020205@isi.edu> (Joe Touch's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:01:35 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "karp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [karp] Using dynamically derived Traffic Keys for Routing Protocols X-BeenThere: karp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for key management for routing and transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 15:57:35 -0000 A couple of points. First, I don't believe key derivation helps protect against a situation where the long-term key is compromised. There are cases where key derivation minimizes the use of long-term keys, and there are some cases where that can reduce the chance of compromise. >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Touch writes: Joe> Hi, all, I'm wondering whether the KARP docs talk about the Joe> assumptions behind short-term keys, notably that any long-term Joe> session is either restarted or can support rekeying. Joe> This isn't an issue for TCP-AO, but there are other protocols Joe> (legacy TCP MD5, and SSH which is being advocated for use for Joe> route caches in the new SIDR docs) that may not be as friendly Joe> to short-lived keys. Joe> FWIW. I think there is a requirement that what we recommend in KARP support changing the session key without breaking routing adjacencies. You can do that either by having a way to replace a transport connection or having a way to replace the tkey within a session. Note that SSH definitely does support replacing the key of an existing session; key exchange can be re-executed. From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon May 16 12:45:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: karp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: karp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E4CE0674; Mon, 16 May 2011 12:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yp5lKTNE22Yt; Mon, 16 May 2011 12:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AB5E068E; Mon, 16 May 2011 12:45:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.54 Message-ID: <20110516194501.3374.34864.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:45:01 -0700 Cc: karp@ietf.org Subject: [karp] I-D Action:draft-ietf-karp-crypto-key-table-01.txt X-BeenThere: karp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for key management for routing and transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:45:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Keying and Authentication for Routing Protocols Working Group of the IETF. Title : Database of Long-Lived Symmetric Cryptographic Keys Author(s) : R. Housley, T. Polk Filename : draft-ietf-karp-crypto-key-table-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2011-05-16 This document specifies the information contained in a database of long-lived cryptographic keys used by many different security protocols. The database design supports both manual and automated key management. In many instances, the security protocols do not directly use the long-lived key, but rather a key derivation function is used to derive a short-lived key from a long-lived key. 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The WG chairs asked = me to submit the -01 document since the previous version was about to = expire. Russ On May 16, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Keying and Authentication for Routing = Protocols Working Group of the IETF. >=20 >=20 > Title : Database of Long-Lived Symmetric Cryptographic = Keys > Author(s) : R. Housley, T. Polk > Filename : draft-ietf-karp-crypto-key-table-01.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2011-05-16 >=20 > This document specifies the information contained in a database of > long-lived cryptographic keys used by many different security > protocols. The database design supports both manual and automated > key management. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have updated the draft based on comments received at the last IETF meeting. The biggest change is the addition of PCEP to the list of routing protocols as suggested by the chairs. Would ask that the document be adopted as a WG item. Thanks. A new version of I-D, draft-mahesh-bgp-ldp-msdp-analysis-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Mahesh Jethanandani and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-mahesh-bgp-ldp-msdp-analysis Revision: 01 Title: Analysis of BGP, LDP, PCEP, and MSDP Security According to KARP Design Guide Creation date: 2011-05-15 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 16 Abstract: This document analyzes BGP, LDP, PCEP and MSDP according to guidelines set forth in section 4.2 of [draft-ietf-karp-design-guide]. The IETF Secretariat --------------040502010302030405040703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-bgp-ldp-msdp-analysis-01.txt Have updated the draft based on comments received at the last IETF meeting. The biggest change is the addition of PCEP to the list of routing protocols as suggested by the chairs.

Would ask that the document be adopted as a WG item.

Thanks.

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Filename:        draft-mahesh-bgp-ldp-msdp-analysis
Revision:        01
Title:           Analysis of BGP, LDP, PCEP, and MSDP Security According to KARP Design Guide
Creation date:   2011-05-15
WG ID:           Individual Submission
Number of pages: 16

Abstract:
   This document analyzes BGP, LDP, PCEP and MSDP according to
   guidelines set forth in section 4.2 of
   [draft-ietf-karp-design-guide].

                                                                                 


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