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From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jan 7 12:56:18 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22749 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g07HeWX00684 for ietf-kink-bks; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HeU300679 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA16402; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.85]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA13711; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cutter-john.mit.edu (CUTTER-JOHN.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.62]) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA20554; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by cutter-john.mit.edu (8.9.3) id MAA19469; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:38:03 -0500 To: Michael Thomas Cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org, jtrostle@cisco.com, jis@mit.edu, mleech@nortelnetworks.com Subject: WG LAST CALL: Kerberized Internet Negotiation of Keys (KINK) References: <200112092325.PAA02248@thomasm-u1.cisco.com> From: Derek Atkins Date: 07 Jan 2002 12:38:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: Michael Thomas's message of "Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:25:18 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Last year in SLC I promised to call a Last Call for the KINK draft. So, I hereby open a two-week working-group last call on draft-ietf-kink-kink. The last-call will last until 12 noon US/Eastern on January 21st. Please send any comments on the draft... If you want your comments anonymized, feel free to email them to me personally and I will forward the issue to the list. Let the comments begin ;) -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available From subs-reminder@vpnc.org Mon Jan 7 19:22:17 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01644 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:22:16 -0500 (EST) From: subs-reminder@vpnc.org Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g080MEY21110; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201080022.g080MEY21110@above.proper.com> To: kink-archive@ietf.org Subject: [[927539246]] Subscription to ietf-kink for kink-archive@lists.ietf.org Greetings. This message is a periodic reminder that kink-archive@lists.ietf.org is subscribed to the ietf-kink mailing list. 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If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. --Paul Hoffman, list administrator From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jan 7 20:07:51 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02155 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g080qZZ27421 for ietf-kink-bks; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080qY327413 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mira-sjc5-1.cisco.com (mira-sjc5-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g080qWJ15122; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-125.cisco.com [10.21.96.125]) by mira-sjc5-1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACY56419; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:52:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C3A44A0.57AC6AB7@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:00:16 -0800 From: Jonathan Trostle Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org CC: jtrostle@cisco.com, warlord@mit.edu Subject: IETF SLC KINK WG meeting notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a draft of the KINK WG meeting notes. Please send comments by Friday, January 11th. Jonathan IETF KINK WG Meeting: 9-11AM Monday, December 10th, 2001. Chairs: Derek Atkins and Jonathan Trostle The agenda was presented. The topics to be discussed were the KINK protocol and extensibility. KINK protocol Mike Thomas released the .02 version of the KINK protocol specification. The main changes are: (a) dead peer detection is facilitated with the epoch field which has been added to the protocol messages. By detecting a change in the peer's epoch value, a KINK protocol entity knows that the peer has gone down and come back up. Thus new SA's can be created, if necessary. (b) The ack is now required in the SA create exchange if the initiator's optimistic proposal is not accepted. (c) KRB_ERROR messages MUST be keyed if the two peers share a secret key. This last change has the issue that existing Kerberos libraries will have to be modified to support this behaviour. (d) Mike is registering the KINK payloads with IANA. Extensibility KINK extensibility was discussed. The main questions are: how does a KINK implementation handle a new payload that it does not recognize? Should payloads be treated as critical or optional? Charlie Kaufman indicated that a son of ike entity would reject a message with an unrecognized major version, but would continue processing a message with an unrecognized minor version. Radia Perlman suggested that KINK might benefit from a mechanism that allows a peer to know that the other side supports a higher protocol version. Most, but not all, of the KINK protocol error messages will be authenticated, however. In the most common SA creation scenario, (AP_REQ, AP_REP exchange) any error messages would be authenticated. In addition, Mike indicated that it would be good if KINK is useful for keying IPsec remote access VPN's. Implementation Status and Future Plans Derek asked who is planning on implementing KINK. In addition to Mike Thomas, four other people indicated they were planning on implementing the KINK protocol. The chairs plan to ask for WG last call in January, 2002. From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Sun Jan 13 11:55:38 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA12589 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0DGfOI05220 for ietf-kink-bks; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DGfM305216 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA13457 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.85]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA06148 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from indiana.mit.edu (INDIANA.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.138]) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA19480 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by indiana.mit.edu (8.9.3) id LAA12317; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:41:19 -0500 (EST) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Reminder: KINK WG LAST CALL ends January 21st References: <200112092325.PAA02248@thomasm-u1.cisco.com> From: Derek Atkins Date: 13 Jan 2002 11:41:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Just a reminder.... -derek > Last year in SLC I promised to call a Last Call for the KINK draft. > So, I hereby open a two-week working-group last call on > draft-ietf-kink-kink. The last-call will last until 12 noon > US/Eastern on January 21st. > > Please send any comments on the draft... If you want your comments > anonymized, feel free to email them to me personally and I will > forward the issue to the list. -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Thu Jan 17 23:25:35 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA21759 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0I4Hhj08955 for ietf-kink-bks; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0I4Hf308950 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.75]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA19849 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA18532 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from kikki.mit.edu (KIKKI.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.142]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA04618 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by kikki.mit.edu (8.9.3) id XAA01407; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:17:42 -0500 (EST) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Reminder: KINK WG LAST CALL ends January 21st References: <200112092325.PAA02248@thomasm-u1.cisco.com> From: Derek Atkins Date: 17 Jan 2002 23:17:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: So, I've heard no comments (positive or negative) about this draft. Are we beating a dead horse with this work? Should we let the work (and this group) die, or do people still think that we should standardize KINK? -derek Derek Atkins writes: > Just a reminder.... > > -derek > > > Last year in SLC I promised to call a Last Call for the KINK draft. > > So, I hereby open a two-week working-group last call on > > draft-ietf-kink-kink. The last-call will last until 12 noon > > US/Eastern on January 21st. > > > > Please send any comments on the draft... If you want your comments > > anonymized, feel free to email them to me personally and I will > > forward the issue to the list. > > -- > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Tue Jan 22 22:24:27 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA19403 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0N3GID08659 for ietf-kink-bks; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.24.11]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N3GG308655 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com [171.69.17.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g0N3GFd07575; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from janpc-home.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N3GEp09346; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:16:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:16:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vilhuber To: Derek Atkins cc: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Reminder: KINK WG LAST CALL ends January 21st In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I obviously think we need to move forward (don't you?), but I don't really have any comment at this time... I'm a bit curious about the silence as well, though. jan On 17 Jan 2002, Derek Atkins wrote: > > So, I've heard no comments (positive or negative) about this draft. > Are we beating a dead horse with this work? Should we let the work > (and this group) die, or do people still think that we should > standardize KINK? > > -derek > > Derek Atkins writes: > > > Just a reminder.... > > > > -derek > > > > > Last year in SLC I promised to call a Last Call for the KINK draft. > > > So, I hereby open a two-week working-group last call on > > > draft-ietf-kink-kink. The last-call will last until 12 noon > > > US/Eastern on January 21st. > > > > > > Please send any comments on the draft... If you want your comments > > > anonymized, feel free to email them to me personally and I will > > > forward the issue to the list. > > > > -- > > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > > warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available > > -- > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available > -- Jan Vilhuber vilhuber@cisco.com (408) 527-0847 Strategic Cryptographic Development, ITD, Cisco Systems, San Jose From owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Thu Jan 31 14:03:57 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08205 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0VIlvR28704 for ietf-kink-bks; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIls328699 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA27983 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA09995 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hodge-podge.mit.edu (HODGE-PODGE.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.128]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16250 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by hodge-podge.mit.edu (8.9.3) id NAA00586; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:41 -0500 (EST) To: ietf-kink@vpnc.org Subject: Request for Speakers in Mineapolis From: Derek Atkins Date: 31 Jan 2002 13:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-kink@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Do we have anything to discuss in Minneapolis? If so, let me know so I can request a slot. -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warlord@MIT.EDU PGP key available