From nobody Tue Nov 8 03:48:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAF512941A; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 03:48:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w3kY5HEML5fQ; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 03:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29C271295F7; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 03:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE2DBE2F; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 11:47:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ol1UT9VTSZaF; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 11:47:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.28.172.2] (unknown [185.51.74.194]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7F2DBE2C; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 11:47:50 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1478605671; bh=UFqa8M/mElC8dB+hagPMjASQMMfPhmpbSRtFmjJUIEo=; h=To:Subject:Cc:From:Date:From; b=qZYVHUNI5vp+maxscT+eEV/vm+w1X3yA/aHzYMxLOoANQirKAxnWdbcs5ExMnqf0A 5thrNhAlHZ/VOkbngjDXcU+X2mQwOYfO289aXVkost1kWAyxUEkP2lxz+VTCZhL6AL mCH53S04bmFJvgEFZLMGtkJ3RXkyQamClhoa0dII= To: draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis@ietf.org From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <5ee88766-fa75-e695-71a2-555733549097@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 11:47:50 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030007060908000007060406" Archived-At: Cc: "kitten@ietf.org" Subject: [kitten] actions after LC for draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:48:02 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030007060908000007060406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, I think the LC for this produced minor comments from the secdir and gen-art reviews and there was also a comment from IANA. Can the authors please prepare a version that has the relevant changes and/or reply here to say why some of those changes aren't needed. If you can post that next Monday once the I-D repo is open again then I'll put the draft on the following IESG telechat. 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Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030909090105030401000200" Archived-At: Cc: "kitten@ietf.org" Subject: [kitten] Progressing draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:04:54 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030909090105030401000200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, I didn't see any changes being needed after the IETF LC for this, but please correct me if I missed something. I'll put it on the next IESG telechat. 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draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:19:22 -0000 On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 12:04:43PM +0000, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > I didn't see any changes being needed after the IETF LC > for this, but please correct me if I missed something. Yup, I think we just had a couple of potential RFC Editor notes. -Ben From nobody Tue Nov 8 21:30:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B9C1295C6; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:30:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8o_l1lkHDpYb; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D83C71294AB; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uA95TxIJ006516 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2016 05:29:59 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uA95TvhG025186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2016 05:29:58 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uA95Tt2a001826; Wed, 9 Nov 2016 05:29:56 GMT Received: from [10.154.110.154] (/10.154.110.154) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 21:29:55 -0800 To: Stephen Farrell , draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis@ietf.org References: <5ee88766-fa75-e695-71a2-555733549097@cs.tcd.ie> From: Shawn M Emery Message-ID: <4e39690e-0b5d-1e72-14cd-88c42a301376@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:32:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS i86pc; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5ee88766-fa75-e695-71a2-555733549097@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] Archived-At: Cc: "kitten@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [kitten] actions after LC for draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 05:30:07 -0000 On 11/ 8/16 04:47 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Hiya, > > I think the LC for this produced minor comments from > the secdir and gen-art reviews and there was also a > comment from IANA. Yes. I think I've captured all of the various input. > Can the authors please prepare a version that has the > relevant changes and/or reply here to say why some of > those changes aren't needed. I have an updated draft ready to submit. I've posted the delta from 02 here: https://tinyurl.com/p3v4ffu > If you can post that next Monday once the I-D repo is > open again then I'll put the draft on the following > IESG telechat. > I have a note to do so. Thanks, Shawn. -- From nobody Wed Nov 16 15:34:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietf.org Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B34F1294A1; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:34:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.37.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147933927323.14856.7369842067826387463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:34:33 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: kitten@ietf.org Subject: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:34:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Authentication Technology Next Generation of the IETF. Title : Anonymity Support for Kerberos Authors : Larry Zhu Paul Leach Sam Hartman Shawn Emery Filename : draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2016-11-16 Abstract: This document defines extensions to the Kerberos protocol to allow a Kerberos client to securely communicate with a Kerberos application service without revealing its identity, or without revealing more than its Kerberos realm. It also defines extensions that allow a Kerberos client to obtain anonymous credentials without revealing its identity to the Kerberos Key Distribution Center (KDC). This document updates RFCs 4120, 4121, and 4556. This document obsoletes RFC 6112 and reclassifies that document as historic. RFC 6112 contained errors and the protocol described in that specification is not interoperable with any known implementation. This specification describes a protocol that interoperates with multiple implementations. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Nov 16 16:57:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500E41294DC for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.718 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.718 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id luNpb09j-uHJ for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu [18.7.68.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41E8F1293FE for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:57:05 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 12074422-3b7ff70000000fb1-93-582d005f6bdb Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.43]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id D7.C8.04017.F500D285; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id uAH0v2wn031377; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:57:03 -0500 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id uAH0uxPV025099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:57:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:56:59 -0600 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: shawn.emery@oracle.com, stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Message-ID: <20161117005659.GE86797@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <147933927323.14856.7369842067826387463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <147933927323.14856.7369842067826387463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupileLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IR4hTV1k1g0I0weLac1+Lo5lUsFn2vD7Fb TN97jd2B2WNt91U2jyVLfjJ5fHx6iyWAOYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY+vjW4wFXYwVzVv2Mzcw ZncxcnJICJhIvJo/h7GLkYtDSKCNSWLlnk9MIAkhgY2MEgt6LSESV5kkPna/ZgRJsAioSsyc vYEVxGYTUJFo6L7MDGKLCJhK3Gu/zA5iMwsISyxfc5ati5GDQ1jAVeLrhVKQMC/QspWbp7NA zPeV+LuslwkiLihxcuYTFohWLYkb/14ygbQyC0hLLP/HARLmFPCTaPl4AGy6qICyRMOMB8wT GAVmIemehaR7FkL3AkbmVYyyKblVurmJmTnFqcm6xcmJeXmpRbqmermZJXqpKaWbGEFBy+6i tINx4j+vQ4wCHIxKPLwSRToRQqyJZcWVuYcYJTmYlER5NxwDCvEl5adUZiQWZ8QXleakFh9i lOBgVhLhXf8ZKMebklhZlVqUD5OS5mBREudlcP8aLiSQnliSmp2aWpBaBJOV4eBQkuCdCNIo WJSanlqRlplTgpBm4uAEGc4DNPws2PDigsTc4sx0iPwpRkuOBSeeP2DiWAQm321+94BJiCUv Py9VSpzX+g1QgwBIQ0ZpHtxMUBKSyN5f84pRHOhFYV65L0BVPMAEBjf1FdBCJqCFewTAFpYk IqSkGhjlo1ZMsb1+9OSbc5pcoRphl6886FsgKF3m+q1bR8L12JHpSVMk125y2nC9se2NbcLV yRVPPXJ+lRQJZir0MSTqzb5w7nTJnFhVIfe9GzPYSoVTBa1ZFViPxXkf+u77b0ovZ6SHa8hL /t7aKVbfHL5Wsa3dz/36+tI9CQK/i+adPcrqEqYYk6/EUpyRaKjFXFScCAAE/V2DHQMAAA== Archived-At: Cc: kitten@ietf.org Subject: Re: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:57:06 -0000 Thanks for the updates, Shawn -- it looks good. Stephen, please go ahead and put this on the IESG agenda at your convenience. -Ben From nobody Wed Nov 16 17:17:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B44512986B for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:17:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A4U-TmoUPoiL for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA208129660 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95052BE5C; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:16:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSpZiQUqt8tu; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:16:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.210] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D67C4BE53; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:16:53 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1479345414; bh=ETqjTuKt7Iip+vbhlB5Npk+s66/uQxDdm/ZxbfPnw3I=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DrFtfexHhgzF9SSJuQvTZ0y9bObAnBDVnwSFR7wVt+/VgFCI6eRju4BBlDRZnKKFq 7rSzPIU8kuskGor0u/QBG1hAAMm76Y9DeZ5YUY3UlPC6hKWmwYUG/TRwqDWaCEgXXj CsocCGqRSD1CFsGpfcqEc+gcjmiAXubWZ10yFMFs= To: Benjamin Kaduk , shawn.emery@oracle.com References: <147933927323.14856.7369842067826387463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20161117005659.GE86797@kduck.kaduk.org> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <21610537-0e8f-7284-0507-8ab332030949@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:16:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161117005659.GE86797@kduck.kaduk.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070901070401020902050002" Archived-At: Cc: kitten@ietf.org Subject: Re: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:17:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070901070401020902050002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 17/11/16 00:56, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Thanks for the updates, Shawn -- it looks good. >=20 > Stephen, please go ahead and put this on the IESG agenda at your conven= ience. Done. It's on the Dec 1 telechat. 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draft-ietf-kitten-krb-auth-indicator-02 X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:13:56 -0000 Sorry for the long silence on this one; certain checklist steps essentially require contiguous blocks of time that are sometimes hard to come by. One of the checklist items is to look at the intended status and any documents updated by the draft; in a look through the archives it seems that we never explicitly mentioned that this draft is labelled as targetting Standards-Track and is marked as Updating RFC 4120. I think that Standards-Track is fine, and there is not full agreement in the IETF as to what exactly the "Updates" tag means (long thread at https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/wgchairs/current/msg14618.html). The argument for keeping the "Updates" tag would be that it is adding a new AD type that we want implementations of 4120 to also implement (CAMMAC has a stronger argument for "Updates" since it replaces KDC-ISSUED). My default action is to leave the document as-is, with target status of Standards-Track and Updates: 4120, but in lieu of having this be part of a formal WGLC, I will explicitly call it out on the WG list in case there are objections. On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:01:58AM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > I do have one question, though: the new version says that the CAMMAC > requirement "exists to provide integrity protection from man-in-the-middle > attacks", which is a bit odd, since AuthorizationData appear within the > EncTicketPart (and the auth-indicator is not expected to appear "bare" in > KDC-REQ or Authenticators, since it is supposed to be KDC-issued). So, > unfortunately, that sentence still leaves me confused. I think this comment remains unaddressed. -Ben From nobody Thu Nov 17 09:30:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE921299B3; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:30:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.717 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.717 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1BD7BMCXLAus; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu [18.7.68.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E00C61299AC; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 12074422-9fbff70000005c4c-cb-582de92950b1 Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 17.B2.23628.929ED285; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id uAHHUGko032747; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:30:17 -0500 Received: from [18.101.8.96] (vpn-18-101-8-96.mit.edu [18.101.8.96]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as ghudson@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id uAHHUDhj028751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:30:15 -0500 To: Benjamin Kaduk , Nathaniel McCallum References: <1475081412.9001.8.camel@redhat.com> <20161117071344.GO86797@kduck.kaduk.org> From: Greg Hudson Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:30:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161117071344.GO86797@kduck.kaduk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrIIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrKv1UjfC4Gk7j8XhG7vYLY5uXsVi MffrLFYHZo8lS34yebzfd5UtgCmKyyYlNSezLLVI3y6BK+Pe9m2MBVs4K7om9bE1MF5n72Lk 5JAQMJF40ncCyObiEBJoY5L48e0rK0hCSGAjo8Sb6wEQiUNMEp3z5zF2MXJwCAukSsz5EwBS IyLgJ3H92XI2iJpfjBKrTy9lA0kwCzhJPN94FWwQm4CyxPr9W1lAbF4BK4knu3qZQWwWAVWJ q6engF0hKhAhcethB1SNoMTJmU/AbE4BU4mZS6YyQszUk9hx/RcrhC0vsf3tHOYJjAKzkLTM QlI2C0nZAkbmVYyyKblVurmJmTnFqcm6xcmJeXmpRbqmermZJXqpKaWbGEEhy+6itINx4j+v Q4wCHIxKPLwLTulGCLEmlhVX5h5ilORgUhLlPf0EKMSXlJ9SmZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDWUmE N/EFUI43JbGyKrUoHyYlzcGiJM7L4P41XEggPbEkNTs1tSC1CCYrw8GhJMGbAdIoWJSanlqR lplTgpBm4uAEGc4DNHwe2PDigsTc4sx0iPwpRkUpcd6Dz4ASAiCJjNI8uF5wSknlSHjFKA70 ijDvzOdAVTzAdATX/QpoMBPQ4D0COiCDSxIRUlINjPmqrb95w3p2iLxaOuHL/z+/e35ces/7 vyuj8Gnhpjr39eIG36Le1rjcM2f2r9pl0bGSecnHJRKq+W5/XqTdy/4UYzhxVdOOHXJ7D51K NayS2bTrQkDTrZIp7Hc3L1i6msNn2qXJ/svcTH1vXZXgsWCJsfGZc3hFwZ5AHSvv383nvP5O 4VcxV1NiKc5INNRiLipOBAC0iWN/BAMAAA== Archived-At: Cc: kitten@ietf.org, draft-ietf-kitten-krb-auth-indicator@ietf.org Subject: Re: [kitten] intended status and Updates: 4120 for draft-ietf-kitten-krb-auth-indicator-02 X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:30:21 -0000 On 11/17/2016 02:13 AM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >> I do have one question, though: the new version says that the CAMMAC >> requirement "exists to provide integrity protection from man-in-the-middle >> attacks", which is a bit odd, since AuthorizationData appear within the >> EncTicketPart (and the auth-indicator is not expected to appear "bare" in >> KDC-REQ or Authenticators, since it is supposed to be KDC-issued). So, >> unfortunately, that sentence still leaves me confused. I agree with Ben that this statement is incorrect. If an auth indicator appeared with no container, or in an if-relevant container, a server would not know if the value came from the KDC or from the client (which can request arbitrary authdata at AS-REQ or TGS-REQ time). If an auth indicator appeared in a kdc-issued container, a server could trust it, but the indicator couldn't be safely propagated over an S4U2Proxy request. Although that concern might not be relevant in all deployments, we are requiring CAMMAC for simplicity, using the model that CAMMAC is an upgraded kdc-issued. I suggest removing the offending text; I cannot think of a pithy replacement and I don't think we need it. From nobody Mon Nov 28 12:59:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CCC129FBF; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:59:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0trVnSXOYRIN; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE5AF129FBC; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([47.186.56.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uASKx7Bg019384 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:59:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.56.40] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: General Area Review Team , kitten@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis.all@ietf.org References: <023b4b96-77ef-a78e-3546-4d05f339d5e0@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <080f0fa3-11de-ac58-3b67-9bda3e788d89@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:59:06 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <023b4b96-77ef-a78e-3546-4d05f339d5e0@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D8ADC7BA0044DEF479A5F19A" Archived-At: Subject: [kitten] Gen-art Telechat review: draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03 X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:59:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D8ADC7BA0044DEF479A5F19A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. 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Document: draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03
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Summary: Ready for publication as Proposed Standard

Thanks for addressing my comments on -02

--------------D8ADC7BA0044DEF479A5F19A-- From nobody Tue Nov 29 07:53:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietf.org Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753B2129528; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:52:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Kathleen Moriarty" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.38.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148043477943.11678.16069730344884555095.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:52:59 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: mrogers@redhat.com, kitten@ietf.org, kitten-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis@ietf.org Subject: [kitten] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:52:59 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Holding a discuss until the Gen-art conversation on minimum size of the fressness token resolves. Will switch to a yes once that is resolved. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg13942.html From nobody Tue Nov 29 12:29:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: kitten@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE431294D3; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:29:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FGeAUZAG_mO0; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92851129C66; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35CFBE6F; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:29:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LXwXcR28X5lC; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:29:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.210] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 614AABE5B; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:29:13 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1480451353; bh=bn6HSQkg9VhEp/8+4nBSJhSvpiLOLZoyZZFAYktC6rw=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=gpuUETwATjYepOtKy2eum91A8dfPpVyqxvvyKagsEgy7+VZGivLC+K5C3/1g1305M goL4dnsvB1FZyfpiPaXVxat0Y6Jxi4s+jsiO6cJjbz6WDgN/p+rh6n5VknPBgF/zrV p0xXVqLHMNilI0yDzABhZK1852Q95X81gK9mJiuA= To: Kathleen Moriarty , The IESG References: <148043477943.11678.16069730344884555095.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:29:13 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148043477943.11678.16069730344884555095.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms010304080101040701030000" Archived-At: Cc: mrogers@redhat.com, kitten@ietf.org, kitten-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [kitten] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:29:25 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010304080101040701030000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that discuss posted on the wrong kitten document? S. On 29/11/16 15:52, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03: Discuss >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this= > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.ht= ml > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Holding a discuss until the Gen-art conversation on minimum size of the= > fressness token resolves. 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Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:46:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS i86pc; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------97AE5413C8E3C7091B3823EC" X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] Archived-At: Cc: mrogers@redhat.com, kitten-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis@ietf.org, kitten@ietf.org, Kathleen Moriarty , iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [kitten] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: kitten@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Common Authentication Technologies - Next Generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:44:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------97AE5413C8E3C7091B3823EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/29/16 01:29 PM, 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Yes, this DISCUSS should have been for draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness. Matt Rogers is also incorrectly listed as the document shepherd and "Send notices to" for draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis. These should be Ben Kaduk. Shawn. -- > On 29/11/16 15:52, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis-03: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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On 11/29/16 01:29 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
Is that discuss posted on the wrong kitten document?

Yes, this DISCUSS should have been for draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness.  Matt Rogers is also incorrectly listed as the document shepherd and "Send notices to" for draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis.  These should be Ben Kaduk.

Shawn.
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On 29/11/16 15:52, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:

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DISCUSS:
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Holding a discuss until the Gen-art conversation on minimum size of the
fressness token resolves.  Will switch to a yes once that is resolved.
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg13942.html




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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 02:46:20PM -0700, Shawn M Emery wrote:
> On 11/29/16 01:29 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> > Is that discuss posted on the wrong kitten document?
> 
> Yes, this DISCUSS should have been for 
> draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness.  Matt Rogers is also incorrectly 
> listed as the document shepherd and "Send notices to" for 
> draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis.  These should be Ben Kaduk.

The shepherd and "send notices to" is correct, I think.  Matt has been
helping shepherd some documents that were not getting enough time from
the chairs.

-Ben


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Oops, I'll correct it later.

Thank you,
Kathleen 

Please excuse typos, sent from handheld device 

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Benjamin Kaduk  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 02:46:20PM -0700, Shawn M Emery wrote:
>>> On 11/29/16 01:29 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>> Is that discuss posted on the wrong kitten document?
>> 
>> Yes, this DISCUSS should have been for 
>> draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness.  Matt Rogers is also incorrectly 
>> listed as the document shepherd and "Send notices to" for 
>> draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis.  These should be Ben Kaduk.
> 
> The shepherd and "send notices to" is correct, I think.  Matt has been
> helping shepherd some documents that were not getting enough time from
> the chairs.
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> -Ben


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Holding a discuss until the Gen-art conversation on minimum size of the
fressness token resolves.  Will switch to a yes once that is resolved.
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg13942.html





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- 4.3, 2nd paragraph: Absent what sort of other information? That's a bit
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-9: Isn't Sam an author? :-)



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> - 4.3, 2nd paragraph: Absent what sort of other information? That's a bit
> vague for a condition for a MUST.

Presumably, something like an acknowledgment from the client that it is
willing to assume the loss of privacy.

> -9: Isn't Sam an author? :-)

Yes :)
Well, Sam was an author of 6112 and is included here because the document
is hardly changing.

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On 29 Nov 2016, at 22:54, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 08:34:42PM -0800, Ben Campbell wrote:
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>> - 4.3, 2nd paragraph: Absent what sort of other information? That's a 
>> bit
>> vague for a condition for a MUST.
>
> Presumably, something like an acknowledgment from the client that it 
> is
> willing to assume the loss of privacy.

Would it make sense to drop the phrase?  (If this is a pre-bis leftover, 
that's fine.)

>
>> -9: Isn't Sam an author? :-)
>
> Yes :)
> Well, Sam was an author of 6112 and is included here because the 
> document
> is hardly changing.

To be clear, I did not mean to object to Sam's authorship--I was just 
checking to make sure the acknowledgement of an author was on purpose.

Ben.


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On 11/29/16 10:11 PM, Ben Campbell wrote:
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>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 08:34:42PM -0800, Ben Campbell wrote:
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>>>
>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-kitten-rfc6112bis/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> COMMENT:
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>>>
>>> - 4.3, 2nd paragraph: Absent what sort of other information? That's 
>>> a bit
>>> vague for a condition for a MUST.
>>
>> Presumably, something like an acknowledgment from the client that it is
>> willing to assume the loss of privacy.
>
> Would it make sense to drop the phrase?  (If this is a pre-bis 
> leftover, that's fine.)

Thanks for your comments.

This text is pre-bis and I also interpret this text in the same context 
as Ben Kaduk has.

Shawn.
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>>
>>> -9: Isn't Sam an author? :-)
>>
>> Yes :)
>> Well, Sam was an author of 6112 and is included here because the 
>> document
>> is hardly changing.
>
> To be clear, I did not mean to object to Sam's authorship--I was just 
> checking to make sure the acknowledgement of an author was on purpose.
>
> Ben.
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