From nobody Mon Jun 4 04:15:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD0E126C89 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 04:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5-FSzekx5dFD for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EBFE126CD6 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w54BFT8x004005 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:15:30 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8F222052 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:15:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE0BC2204A for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:15:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from 950129200 (243.125.113.87.dyn.plus.net [87.113.125.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w54BFPWl014102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:15:26 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000901d3fbf5$5648d790$02da86b0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdP77mZy+ziBQucgTuOCdr0I0+8PugABou9A Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 87.113.125.243 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-23886.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--3.465-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--3.465-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-23886.006 X-TMASE-Result: 10--3.465400-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: hit9y+tO4pAMCLEGW7c2cMK1Ib9JAALxcJrLR4rumDmX5kFNcJkaaoL8 17LE9TTsEBLBADfD9LpqqbO4nn79RWCOYHRIPhtPU+OjsPhIWDgWTveLitVUgQYrZlX3QccS3/+ Vf+IwaAAhQB950aZZPe5MXQFHmFAZ2v02uJpYZ8NT5IIGQvvzfhkqnRJng/51OiWn1ehFOG9XGf IJMGgUBOS66uRr1w3bLQ1gU0kQBv+NfvSCeaA1PISSxX6w03pu+oCP/ssLgo9nlJ9Df1nJSXwsT 5jF3WC+o77Bv4Es9Tvo/Kry0qRHJzpI0A0aNTmUngIgpj8eDcBZDL1gLmoa/OYq7Exe0AIo32mP O5tnascnRE+fI6etkhvUP5vnK+dU9AisDMfXHh6sbRreEJyZVt0nh5YMSSwvBvtT1D69s8BiiXn 3sXdwzc2TL8qdRQkLaxhGfiSq8uXdOuTfOG9SF03+9BzFCkVzNAW83zYDw/v1OlCIPxKfizngMR AgrdeEyfkWaeG5p9A= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:15:35 -0000 Hi WG, 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and = network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) = and is considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP = Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two = meetings in June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP = Release-15. =20 They seem to have been soliciting input from various SDOs (most recently = the BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be because they = already know what we are working on, or it may be because they didn't = realise. So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison statement to them for = information. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we think the = deadline for sending this is should be June 15th. Any comments or edits would be welcomed. Thanks for any input or advice. Qin and Adrian =3D=3D=3D Draft LS =3D=3D=3D To: 3GPP SA5 Cc: Thomas Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman Ignas Bagdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF Operations and Management = ADs From: Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group co-chairs For: Information We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G = networks and network slicing = (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is = considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP Release-15 = is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in June = and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. We = would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the status of = several pieces of work in the IETF that satisfy the transport support = for network slicing on IP services , L2 service, and TE service. RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery. This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt =20 draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Service Delivery. This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and is = currently completing approval for publication as an RFC. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt =20 RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining what = the IETF means by the term "Service Model" https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt =20 You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on = Abstraction and Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN). In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation in an = ACTN context that may be of specific interest to you: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt =20 Wishing you all success in your work, Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group =3D=3D=3DEND=3D=3D=3D From nobody Tue Jun 5 08:01:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3631310CC for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ideXA28jEoI for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.telecomitalia.it (mx01.telecomitalia.it [217.169.121.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F1951310CA for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:01:08 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: d9a9790a-1a9ff700000010b3-c0-5b16a5b35256 Received: from TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local ( [10.14.252.27]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx01.telecomitalia.it () with SMTP id 0E.99.04275.3B5A61B5; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:01:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Fioccola Giuseppe To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "l2sm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 Thread-Index: AdP77mZy+ziBQucgTuOCdr0I0+8PugABou9AADovkiA= Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:01:06 +0000 Message-ID: <7ee2d1342bf6403583d834a1ae3f2d7d@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> References: <000901d3fbf5$5648d790$02da86b0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000901d3fbf5$5648d790$02da86b0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.14.252.230] x-ti-disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrMKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCxfdHWnfzUrFog+9z+C1+9Nxgtrjz8iWj A5PHkiU/mTxWbF7JGMAU1cBok5iXl1+SWJKqkJJanGyr5JJZnJyTmJmbWqQQkpqTmpyfq6SQ mWKrZKykUJCTmJyam5pXYquUWFCQmpeiZMelgAFsgMoy8xRS85LzUzLz0m2VPIP9dS0sTC11 DZXsAktTi0vyFXJTi4sT09Mz8xVSE9YLZnzfv5K5YJ5UxcO5R9kbGC+KdjFyckgImEh8enGc rYuRi0NIYCqTxLbJx5lAEmwCNhIHX51gA7FFBIIknrTuYu9i5OAQFjCQeP9DGyJsKLHn5SZW kLCIgJXEinNmIGEWARWJI4efMIPYvAKBEjvvfmUFsYWASp73LGYEsTkFrCUu3GkDm84oICsx YfcisDizgLjErSfzmSBOE5BYsuc8M4QtKvHy8T9WCNtAYuvSfSwQtqLE3h8HoGpkJBYemcwK MUdP4sbUKWwQtrbEsoWvoe4RlDg58wnLBEbRWUjWzULSMgtJyywkLQsYWVYxiuZWGBjqlUBi LLMkMSczUS+zZBMjMCXcXFnJtYPx9SrnQ4wCHIxKPLyhM8SihVgTy4orcw8xSnAwK4nwTp8M FOJNSaysSi3Kjy8qzUktPsToAwyxicxSosn5wHSVVxJvaGJhaWhsYWFkaGFmikNYSZw3bhHQ LIF0YJLKTk0tSC2CGcfEwSnVwGh3xPb0gV9yS12KRKakfQx6xsIk9UEqaM133p7qc/0t06U0 /ydzr7rHPeXTHQGp9yciljSs2LC2nL/4k//HWe1RrPe6MpnaDYQ+X5n4xJ19lvelG0FHnv2Y ZSyj9VXaPSltXpfL2r/pmc+Ewi5efCBQ+7GSgYvNoOtLyNqs3SInooMutJ1MZVFiKc5INNRi LipOBAAkbF1uNgMAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:01:12 -0000 Hi Adrian, All, I absolutely agree with the proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5. I would also sugge= st to mention RFC8199 on YANG Module Classification. Best Regards, Giuseppe -----Original Message----- From: L2sm [mailto:l2sm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: luned=EC 4 giugno 2018 13:15 To: l2sm@ietf.org Subject: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 Hi WG, 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and netwo= rk slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is co= nsidering various existing data models as references. 3GPP Release-15 is tar= geting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in June and Augus= t respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. They seem to have been soliciting input from various SDOs (most recently the= BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be because they already kno= w what we are working on, or it may be because they didn't realise. So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison statement to them for inf= ormation. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we think the deadline for= sending this is should be June 15th. Any comments or edits would be welcomed. Thanks for any input or advice. Qin and Adrian =3D=3D=3D Draft LS =3D=3D=3D To: 3GPP SA5 Cc: Thomas Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman Ignas Bagdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF Operations and Management ADs From: Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group co-chairs For: Information We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G netwo= rks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_= 5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP Rele= ase-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in J= une and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. We woul= d like to take this opportunity to inform you of the status of several piece= s of work in the IETF that satisfy the transport support for network slicing= on IP services , L2 service, and TE service. RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery. This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Ser= vice Delivery. This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and is currentl= y completing approval for publication as an RFC. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining what the I= ETF means by the term "Service Model" https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on Abstraction= and Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN). In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation in an ACTN= context that may be of specific interest to you: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt Wishing you all success in your work, Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group =3D=3D=3DEND=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ L2sm mailing list L2sm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l2sm Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. 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From nobody Tue Jun 5 08:58:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5D0130FA0 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e_dUYCLeSs-Z for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA8E11310F0 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w55FwCaD003966; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:58:12 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D982204A; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:58:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 771DF22044; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:58:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from 950129200 (243.125.113.87.dyn.plus.net [87.113.125.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w55FwAMV027515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:58:11 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Fioccola Giuseppe'" , References: <000901d3fbf5$5648d790$02da86b0$@olddog.co.uk> <7ee2d1342bf6403583d834a1ae3f2d7d@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> In-Reply-To: <7ee2d1342bf6403583d834a1ae3f2d7d@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:58:08 +0100 Message-ID: <01a901d3fce6$00486b20$00d94160$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIOf7qJKx24xl1w/pQ68zsvGbGRtQGs1yWjo89lufA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 87.113.125.243 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-23888.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No--46.855-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--46.855-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-23888.007 X-TMASE-Result: 10--46.854800-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: j4nUk6F+aLbMy6K24fisq/HkpkyUphL9t7k6BDMlB1ijlTkwAs5yyded muI9uycYD7mBlq0ezI+o1ACkZzz9VnKzRQDC+n78e2JNgZ9m9T8qrNBE8+zJq0jy8BQTPSF88E1 v7ObMQJvX5X1jP2IVCAp6fqYy9fWaX1yU8dnnJNwFJG8ZmXyKdbebfccgl9iNNwCgQD6pGqYDh5 XrP5wcJ2a0P9zJS9tFmfvwB1x0rl+c2HPYlfRwpuYAh37ZsBDCF4q8hdmZvAhrZC+UxQMOqKOTp rZ30wpIk09tFkQDYUXzWv/Qt+jWIW2Dlh1/RdbgcFEiuPxHjsWYhghbAKu1sBHfiujuTbedstVa mtuFXpn8pMfKP0wTAj71V2NMK439/rLeCVcPyeDwI5EzJETTVBxCcOlDoVfTWltirZ/iPP7hLW+ nuKkjlu5f+SbQ7VhgchJq6fFfv/NjKiftO/PwVZugzdh7v5Niml8OOrQdlPprZQ+zWanMHKpap5 GN867VmRqgu0yNlauJeEU0cKHknEpT9y5eApOQFA2AInDSWYU0tADHYicNMmfF0QmF+vyMgfHaC nKqbi3TZovCU1n1c7KIFE/99KIgYP+rVJqzTJIxPk7GkYCla2LrYrObib8f62LiMTSipzPZcEY7 ZH0iUnGTbL5t8BjXlm4KTdLupFJNlZ1zEcyAYziU1nXLlwv+kLrDv6wzGo/o1+KnG60kJ+Pp9KJ VfkC/w1Q12m9I+XH+CyE/HHLseox1g1lTiexdOxRDwnJbD3OJfoBeqIJIU71R1DzR0wGuo8WMkQ Wv6iW4mGhlpKkDnlZFWWuOwo7w3QfwsVk0Ubv+efAnnZBiLyF6bSSak9kx X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:58:19 -0000 Yes, good point. A > -----Original Message----- > From: Fioccola Giuseppe [mailto:giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it] > Sent: 05 June 2018 16:01 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; l2sm@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 >=20 > Hi Adrian, All, > I absolutely agree with the proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5. I would also = suggest to > mention RFC8199 on YANG Module Classification. >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 > Giuseppe >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: L2sm [mailto:l2sm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: luned=EC 4 giugno 2018 13:15 > To: l2sm@ietf.org > Subject: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 >=20 > Hi WG, >=20 > 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and > network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951- > SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. = 3GPP > Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two = meetings in > June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. >=20 > They seem to have been soliciting input from various SDOs (most = recently the > BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be because they = already know > what we are working on, or it may be because they didn't realise. >=20 > So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison statement to them = for > information. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we think the = deadline for > sending this is should be June 15th. >=20 > Any comments or edits would be welcomed. >=20 > Thanks for any input or advice. >=20 > Qin and Adrian >=20 > =3D=3D=3D Draft LS =3D=3D=3D >=20 > To: 3GPP SA5 > Cc: Thomas Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman > Ignas Bagdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF Operations and = Management ADs > From: Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group co-chairs > For: Information >=20 > We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G > networks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP- > NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as > references. 3GPP Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 = and plan > two meetings in June and August respectively to meet the deadline of = 3GPP > Release-15. We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of = the status of > several pieces of work in the IETF that satisfy the transport support = for network > slicing on IP services , L2 service, and TE service. >=20 > RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery. > This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus. > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt >=20 > draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for = L2VPN > Service Delivery. > This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and is = currently > completing approval for publication as an RFC. > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt >=20 > RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining what = the IETF > means by the term "Service Model" > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt >=20 > You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on = Abstraction and > Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN). > In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation in an = ACTN > context that may be of specific interest to you: > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt >=20 > Wishing you all success in your work, > Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel > Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group > =3D=3D=3DEND=3D=3D=3D >=20 > _______________________________________________ > L2sm mailing list > L2sm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l2sm >=20 > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente = alle persone > indicate. 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X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 17:36:54 -0000 Hi Roque, Well, both documents went through IETF last call, and both 8309 and 8199 = have IETF consensus. As it says in the boilerplate for both documents. This document is a product of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). It represents the consensus of the IETF community. It has received public review and has been approved for publication by the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG). And as 8309 says This document describes service models as used within the IETF and also shows where a service model might fit into a software-defined networking architecture. So can you clarify what your concern is?=20 Thanks, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) [mailto:rogaglia@cisco.com] > Sent: 05 June 2018 17:42 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Fioccola Giuseppe'; l2sm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 >=20 > Hi Adrian, >=20 > I agree that sending this message is a good idea. >=20 > However, I do not think the RFC 8309 is "explaining what the IETF = means by the > term "Service Model". This is an informational document and as such = does not > represent consensus or recommendation per RFC 2026. Personally, I = agree with > Giuseppe that RFC 8199 is a better document but that is also an = informational > document. >=20 > I better text could be: > "RFC 8199 and RFC 8309 are informational documents developed by the = IETF > community to show examples on how service models could be = implemented." >=20 > Regards, > Roque >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 05/06/18 17:58, "L2sm on behalf of Adrian Farrel" = behalf of adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote: >=20 > Yes, good point. >=20 > A >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fioccola Giuseppe = [mailto:giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it] > > Sent: 05 June 2018 16:01 > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; l2sm@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 > > > > Hi Adrian, All, > > I absolutely agree with the proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5. I = would also > suggest > to > > mention RFC8199 on YANG Module Classification. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Giuseppe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L2sm [mailto:l2sm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian = Farrel > > Sent: luned=C3=AC 4 giugno 2018 13:15 > > To: l2sm@ietf.org > > Subject: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 > > > > Hi WG, > > > > 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G = networks and > > network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951- > > SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as = references. 3GPP > > Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan = two meetings > in > > June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP = Release-15. > > > > They seem to have been soliciting input from various SDOs (most = recently the > > BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be because they = already > know > > what we are working on, or it may be because they didn't = realise. > > > > So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison statement to = them for > > information. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we think = the deadline > for > > sending this is should be June 15th. > > > > Any comments or edits would be welcomed. > > > > Thanks for any input or advice. > > > > Qin and Adrian > > > > =3D=3D=3D Draft LS =3D=3D=3D > > > > To: 3GPP SA5 > > Cc: Thomas Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman > > Ignas Bagdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF Operations and = Management > ADs > > From: Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group = co-chairs > > For: Information > > > > We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration = of 5G > > networks and network slicing = (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP- > > NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data = models as > > references. 3GPP Release-15 is targeting freeze date of = September 2018 and > plan > > two meetings in June and August respectively to meet the = deadline of 3GPP > > Release-15. We would like to take this opportunity to inform you = of the status > of > > several pieces of work in the IETF that satisfy the transport = support for > network > > slicing on IP services , L2 service, and TE service. > > > > RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery. > > This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus. > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt > > > > draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model = for L2VPN > > Service Delivery. > > This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and = is > currently > > completing approval for publication as an RFC. > > = https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt > > > > RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by = explaining what the > IETF > > means by the term "Service Model" > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt > > > > You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on = Abstraction > and > > Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN). > > In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation = in an ACTN > > context that may be of specific interest to you: > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt > > > > Wishing you all success in your work, > > Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel > > Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group > > =3D=3D=3DEND=3D=3D=3D > > > > _______________________________________________ > > L2sm mailing list > > L2sm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l2sm > > > > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati = esclusivamente alle > persone > > indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione = derivante dalla > conoscenza di > > queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbiate = ricevuto > > questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne = immediata > > comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, = Grazie. > > > > This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain = privileged > > information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, = copying, > printing > > or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the = intended recipient, > > please delete this message and any attachments and advise the = sender by > return > > e-mail, Thanks. > > > > Rispetta l'ambiente. 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3GPP SA5 X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:46:44 -0000 Hi again, It has been a while since anyone quoted 2026 at me :-) I think you have interpreted the text you quote the wrong way around. It = is true that you cannot take an Informational RFC and make any = assumption of IETF consensus. That is, it is possible to have = Informational RFCs that have or do not have IETF consensus. The second = paragraph describes documents that are produced under what is now called = the Independent Submissions stream: they are Informational RFCs that do = not (cannot) have IETF consensus. You might find RFC 7841 helpful in understanding how IETF consensus can = be applied across a range of documents: mandatory for some; optional for = others. The IESG Statement at = https://www.ietf.org/blog/last-call-guidance-community/?secondary_topic=3D= 22&primary_topic=3D7& makes clear that the IESG considers it reasonable = to IETF last call an Informational RFC. I believe that the current IESG = continues the practice of issuing IETF last call and so judging IETF = consensus on all RFCs on the IETF stream. Cheers, Adrian > The definition of IETF informational models can be found in RFC 2026 = section > 4.2.2: >=20 > -------- > 4.2.2 Informational >=20 > An "Informational" specification is published for the general > information of the Internet community, and does not represent an > Internet community consensus or recommendation. The Informational > designation is intended to provide for the timely publication of a > very broad range of responsible informational documents from many > sources, subject only to editorial considerations and to = verification > that there has been adequate coordination with the standards = process > (see section 4.2.3). >=20 > Specifications that have been prepared outside of the Internet > community and are not incorporated into the Internet Standards > Process by any of the provisions of section 10 may be published as > Informational RFCs, with the permission of the owner and the > concurrence of the RFC Editor. > -------- >=20 > That is my point, you can't call it consensus as the purpuse of an = informational > model is not to reach consensus. >=20 > Roque From nobody Tue Jun 5 12:53:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBD013114D for ; 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OK, I'm talking as a co-author of 8309, and not as L2SM co-chair.=20 Why cannot we refer to it as the IETF community consensual opinion? Or = is your point that I am misrepresenting the content of the document? Cheers, Adrian > Please consider my contribution for a modified text: > "RFC 8199 and RFC 8309 are informational documents developed by the = IETF > community to show examples on how service models could be = implemented." 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Hi, all.


I totally agree with the pro= posed liasion as 3GPP is indeed working on Management and orchestration of = 5G.


Rong Gu

gurong_cmcc@outlook.com

gurong@chinamobile.com

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: L2sm &l= t;l2sm-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Chongfeng <chongfeng.xie@foxmai= l.com>
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2018=C4=EA6=D4=C29=C8=D5 7:48:23
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: adrian; l2sm
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [L2sm] Re=A3=BA Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5
 
Hi, Adrian and Qin, I believe IETF and 3GPP should have more collabora= tion on network slicing connectivity service standard and YANG data model s= outhbound and northbound work, since YANG data model work has taken off in = IETF to meet industry's needs. Therefore I support to send the proposed liaison to 3GPP SA5. Chongfeng
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From: "adrian"<adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Date: Mon, Jun 4, 2018 07:15 PM
To: "l2sm"<l2sm@ietf.org>;
Subject: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5
Hi WG,

3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and netw= ork slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is = considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP Release-15 is = targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in June and August respectively to meet the dea= dline of 3GPP Release-15.
 
They seem to have been soliciting input from various SDOs (most recently th= e BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be because they already k= now what we are working on, or it may be because they didn't realise.

So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison statement to them for in= formation. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we think the deadline fo= r sending this is should be June 15th.

Any comments or edits would be welcomed.

Thanks for any input or advice.

Qin and Adrian

=3D=3D=3D Draft LS =3D=3D=3D

To: 3GPP SA5
Cc: Thomas Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman
       Ignas Bagdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF= Operations and Management ADs
From: Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group co-chairs
For: Information

We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G netw= orks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA= 5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP R= elease-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in June and August respectively to= meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. We would like to take this opportuni= ty to inform you of the status of several pieces of work in the IETF that s= atisfy the transport support for network slicing on IP services , L2 service, and TE service.

RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery.
This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt
 
draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Service Delivery.
This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and is current= ly completing approval for publication as an RFC.
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt
 
RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining what the = IETF means by the term "Service Model"
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt
 
You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on Abstraction= and Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN).
In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation in an ACTN= context that may be of specific interest to you:
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt
 
Wishing you all success in your work,
Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel
Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group
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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3611831803_1233719337 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, I support the liaison and text looks good as is. Cheers, Jeff ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "adrian" Date: Mon, Jun 4, 2018 07:15 PM To: "l2sm"; Subject: [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5 Hi WG, 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. They seem to have been soliciting input from various SDOs (most recently the BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be because they already know what we are working on, or it may be because they didn't realise. So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison statement to them for information. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we think the deadline for sending this is should be June 15th. Any comments or edits would be welcomed. Thanks for any input or advice. Qin and Adrian === Draft LS === To: 3GPP SA5 Cc: Thomas Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman Ignas Bagdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF Operations and Management ADs From: Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group co-chairs For: Information We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings in June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the status of several pieces of work in the IETF that satisfy the transport support for network slicing on IP services , L2 service, and TE service. RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery. This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Service Delivery. This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and is currently completing approval for publication as an RFC. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining what the IETF means by the term "Service Model" https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on Abstraction and Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN). In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation in an ACTN context that may be of specific interest to you: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt Wishing you all success in your work, Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group ===END=== _______________________________________________ L2sm mailing list L2sm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l2sm _______________________________________________ L2sm mailing list L2sm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l2sm --B_3611831803_1233719337 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

=  

I support the liaison and text looks good= as is.

 

Cheers,

Jeff

From:<= /b> "adrian"<adrian@olddog.co.uk>

Date: Mon, Jun 4, 2018= 07:15 PM

To: "= ;l2sm"<l2sm@ietf.org>;

Subject:=  [L2sm] Proposed Liaison to 3GPP SA5

Hi WG,

3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orches= tration of 5G networks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/= 3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as re= ferences. 3GPP Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and pla= n two meetings in June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP = Release-15.
 
They seem to have been soliciting input from variou= s SDOs (most recently the BBF) but have not approached the IETF. This may be= because they already know what we are working on, or it may be because they= didn't realise.

So Qin and I propose to send the following liaison s= tatement to them for information. Since the next meeting is on June 26th, we= think the deadline for sending this is should be June 15th.

Any comm= ents or edits would be welcomed.

Thanks for any input or advice.
<= br>Qin and Adrian

=3D=3D=3D Draft LS =3D=3D=3D

To: 3GPP SA5
Cc: Thomas = Tovinger, 3GPP SA5 Chairman
       Ignas Ba= gdonas and Warren Kumari, IETF Operations and Management ADs
From: Qin Wu= and Adrian Farrel, IETF L2SM working group co-chairs
For: Information
We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G = networks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951= -SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. 3GPP= Release-15 is targeting freeze date of September 2018 and plan two meetings= in June and August respectively to meet the deadline of 3GPP Release-15. We= would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the status of several = pieces of work in the IETF that satisfy the transport support for network sl= icing on IP services , L2 service, and TE service.

RFC 8299 provides = A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery.
This document is a publishe= d RFC with IETF consensus.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt
=  
draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for= L2VPN
Service Delivery.
This document has achieved working group and = IETF consensus, and is currently completing approval for publication as an R= FC.
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt 
RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining= what the IETF means by the term "Service Model"
https://www.rf= c-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt
 
You may also be interested in work= in the TEAS working group on Abstraction and Control of Traffic Engineered = networks (ACTN).
In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network o= peration in an ACTN context that may be of specific interest to you:
http= s://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt
 
Wishing= you all success in your work,
Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel
Co-chairs, IET= F L2SM working group
=3D=3D=3DEND=3D=3D=3D

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--B_3611831803_1233719337-- From nobody Fri Jun 15 04:51:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l2sm@ietf.org Delivered-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52585130DEA; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 04:51:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: "Thomas Tovinger" Cc: Adrian Farrel , Ignas Bagdonas , Qin Wu , Warren Kumari , L2VPN Service Model Discussion List X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152906348129.16934.13494622821084739221.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 04:51:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [L2sm] New Liaison Statement, "IETF work related to the management and orchestration of network slicing" X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 11:51:22 -0000 Title: IETF work related to the management and orchestration of network slicing Submission Date: 2018-06-15 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1582/ From: Adrian Farrel To: Thomas Tovinger 3GPP Liaisons Coordinator <3GPPLiaison@etsi.org> Cc: Adrian Farrel ,Ignas Bagdonas ,Qin Wu ,Warren Kumari ,L2VPN Service Model Discussion List Response Contacts: Adrian Farrel , Qin Wu Technical Contacts: Adrian Farrel ,Qin Wu Purpose: For information Body: We note that 3GPP SA5 is working on Management and orchestration of 5G networks and network slicing (http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G) and is considering various existing data models as references. We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the status of several pieces of work in the IETF that provide support for network slicing for IP services , L2 services, TE services, and transport networks. RFC 8299 provides A YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery. This document is a published RFC with IETF consensus. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8299.txt draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model provides A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Service Delivery. This document has achieved working group and IETF consensus, and is currently completing approval for publication as an RFC. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt Two further informational documents developed by the IETF community may help explain this work: - RFC 8309 sets the previous two documents in context by explaining what the IETF means by the term "Service Model" https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8309.txt - RFC 8199 provides a YANG module classification that will also assist you in seeing how the IETF's YANG modules fit together. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8199.txt You may also be interested in work in the TEAS working group on Abstraction and Control of Traffic Engineered networks (ACTN). In particular, there is YANG model for Virtual Network operation in an ACTN context that may be of specific interest to you: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-00.txt Wishing you all success in your work, Qin Wu and Adrian Farrel Co-chairs, IETF L2SM working group Attachments: No document has been attached From nobody Mon Jun 25 09:41:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l2sm@ietf.org Delivered-To: l2sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC7C129C6B; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, The IESG , l2sm-chairs@ietf.org, l2sm@ietf.org, Adrian Farrel , adrian@olddog.co.uk, draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <152994487669.6305.9282189254313653768.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:41:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [L2sm] Protocol Action: 'A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Service Delivery' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt) X-BeenThere: l2sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: "The Layer Two Virtual Private Network Service Model \(L2SM\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 16:41:17 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for L2VPN Service Delivery' (draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the L2VPN Service Model Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Ignas Bagdonas. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model/ Technical Summary This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure a Layer 2 Provider Provisioned VPN service. This model is intended to be instantiated at management system to deliver the overall service. This model is not a configuration model to be used directly on network elements, but provides an abstracted view of the Layer 2 VPN service configuration components. It is up to a management system to take this as an input and generate specific configurations models to configure the different network elements to deliver the service. How configuration of network elements is done is out of scope of the document. The data model in this document includes support for point-to-point Virtual Private Wire Services (VPWS) and multipoint Virtual Private LAN services (VPLS) that use Pseudowires signaled using the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) and the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) as described in RFC4761 and RFC6624. Working Group Summary This has been a relatively quiet WG, but there has been useful and technical discussion on the list. WG meetings have brought in a few additional voices raising valuablee points. The WG has also held virtual interim meetings to dig into the open technical issues. Document Quality There is one known implementation in progress. The document received a thorough review from Jan Lindblad as a YANG expert. Jan was very familiar with the L3SM work and able to carry this review across. Personnel Adrian Farrel is the document shepherd Ignas Bagdonas is the responsible AD.