From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Sep 2 09:33:58 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23099 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBHp-0000fr-Gv for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:33:33 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h82DXX3t002581 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:33:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBHp-0000fX-5u for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:33:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23008 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uBHn-0007GS-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:33:31 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uBHI-0007DN-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:33:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u5zT-0005sv-PZ; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:54:15 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u1GH-0002UQ-PX for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:51:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02134 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u1GB-0002lF-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:51:11 -0400 Received: from radmail2.rad.co.il ([80.74.100.136] helo=antivir1.rad.co.il) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19topW-0004n9-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:34:50 -0400 Received: from antivir1.rad.co.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antivir1.rad.co.il (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h81DWP45026837 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:32:25 +0300 (IDT) Received: from exrad2.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.112]) by antivir1.rad.co.il (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h81DWP5w026829 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:32:25 +0300 (IDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3708D.BA6FF157" Subject: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:34:11 +0300 Message-ID: <27A0F290348F8E45AEF79889DDE65A52881518@exrad2.ad.rad.co.il> Thread-Topic: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt thread-index: AcNwjbm5xJrs04R9TrytCmiXnnLRsQ== From: "Yifat Migdal-Steinberg" To: Cc: "Kireeti Kompella" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3708D.BA6FF157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Can anyone direct me to the documents refered to in draft = :draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt. The list is as follows: [ 2] Andersson, L. and T. Madsen, "PPVPN Terminology", work in progress. [ 3] Andersson, L. (Editor), "PPVPN L2 Framework", work in progress. [ 4] Kompella, K., et al, "MPLS-based Layer 2 VPNs", work in progress. [ 7] Rosen, E., et al, "BGP/MPLS VPNs", work in progress. [10] Sangli, S., D. Tappan, and Y. Rekhter, "BGP Extended Communities Attribute", (work in progress). [11] Martini, L., et al, "Encapsulation Methods for Transport of Layer 2 Frames Over IP and MPLS Networks", work in progress. [12] Kompella, K., et al, "Decoupled TLS", work in progress. [ 5] Martini, L., et al, "Transport of Layer 2 Frames Over MPLS", work in progress. [ 6] Kompella, V., et al, "Virtual Private Switched Network Services over an MPLS Network", work in progress. [ 8] Ould-Brahim, H. et al, "Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism for Network-based VPNs", work in progress. [ 9] Shah, H. et al, "Signaling between PE and L2PE/MTU for Decoupled VPLS and Hierarchical VPLS", work in progress. Thank you, Yifat Mrs. Yifat Migdal-Steinberg System Engineer Broadband Access RAD Data communications Ltd. 24 Raoul Vallenberg St. Tel-Aviv Tel:03-7657035 Fax:03-6455305 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3708D.BA6FF157 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEEDED References of draft = draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt

Hi,

Can anyone direct me to the = documents refered to in draft = :draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt.

The list is as = follows:

[ 2] Andersson, L. and T. = Madsen, "PPVPN Terminology", work in

        progress.

   [ 3] Andersson, = L. (Editor), "PPVPN L2 Framework", work in = progress.

   [ 4] Kompella, = K., et al, "MPLS-based Layer 2 VPNs", work in

        progress.

   [ 7] Rosen, E., = et al, "BGP/MPLS VPNs", work in progress.

   [10] Sangli, = S., D. Tappan, and Y. Rekhter, "BGP Extended Communities

        Attribute", (work = in progress).

   [11] Martini, = L., et al, "Encapsulation Methods for Transport of

        Layer 2 Frames Over IP = and MPLS Networks", work in progress.

   [12] Kompella, = K., et al, "Decoupled TLS", work in progress.

[ 5] Martini, L., et al, = "Transport of Layer 2 Frames Over MPLS",

        work in = progress.

   [ 6] Kompella, = V., et al, "Virtual Private Switched Network Services

        over an MPLS = Network", work in progress.

   [ 8] = Ould-Brahim, H. et al, "Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery = Mechanism

        for Network-based = VPNs", work in progress.

   [ 9] Shah, H. = et al, "Signaling between PE and L2PE/MTU for Decoupled

        VPLS and Hierarchical = VPLS", work in progress.


Thank you,

Yifat


Mrs. Yifat Migdal-Steinberg

System Engineer

Broadband Access

RAD Data communications Ltd.

24 Raoul Vallenberg St.

Tel-Aviv

Tel:03-7657035

Fax:03-6455305

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3708D.BA6FF157-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Sep 2 09:38:55 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24267 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBMc-0002As-32 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:38:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h82DcTHN008337 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:38:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBMZ-0002AI-Ka for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:38:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24026 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uBMX-0007de-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:38:25 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uBMW-0007dZ-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:38:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uB8d-0006h8-0R; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:24:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uA46-0006YU-Sz for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:15:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15481 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:15:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Nhat.Hoang@teliasonera.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uA45-0006bl-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:15:17 -0400 Received: from tms001bb.han.telia.se ([131.115.230.132]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uA44-0006bT-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:15:16 -0400 Received: from tms041mb.han.telia.se ([131.115.230.167]) by tms001bb.han.telia.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:15:06 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6318.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3714B.D878D478" Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:15:06 +0200 Message-ID: <3DB5279B525005439410B5EF3911EE736AC2B1@TMS041MB.tcad.telia.se> Thread-Topic: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Thread-Index: AcNwjbm5xJrs04R9TrytCmiXnnLRsQAvYDCQ To: , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2003 12:15:06.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8A51810:01C3714B] Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3714B.D878D478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yifat, =20 It is number 4 - [ 4] Kompella, K., et al, "MPLS-based Layer 2 VPNs", work in progress. =20 It is available in IETF home page it is now called "Virtual Private LAN Service". =20 /Nhat Thanh =20 TeliaSonera Networks -----Original Message----- From: Yifat Migdal-Steinberg [mailto:yifat_ms@rad.com]=20 Sent: den 1 september 2003 15:34 To: l2vpn@ietf.org Cc: Kireeti Kompella Subject: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt =09 =09 Hi, Can anyone direct me to the documents refered to in draft :draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt. The list is as follows: [ 2] Andersson, L. and T. Madsen, "PPVPN Terminology", work in progress. [ 3] Andersson, L. (Editor), "PPVPN L2 Framework", work in progress. [ 4] Kompella, K., et al, "MPLS-based Layer 2 VPNs", work in progress. [ 7] Rosen, E., et al, "BGP/MPLS VPNs", work in progress. [10] Sangli, S., D. Tappan, and Y. Rekhter, "BGP Extended Communities Attribute", (work in progress). [11] Martini, L., et al, "Encapsulation Methods for Transport of Layer 2 Frames Over IP and MPLS Networks", work in progress. [12] Kompella, K., et al, "Decoupled TLS", work in progress. [ 5] Martini, L., et al, "Transport of Layer 2 Frames Over MPLS", work in progress. [ 6] Kompella, V., et al, "Virtual Private Switched Network Services over an MPLS Network", work in progress. [ 8] Ould-Brahim, H. et al, "Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism for Network-based VPNs", work in progress. [ 9] Shah, H. et al, "Signaling between PE and L2PE/MTU for Decoupled VPLS and Hierarchical VPLS", work in progress. Thank you, Yifat Mrs. Yifat Migdal-Steinberg System Engineer Broadband Access RAD Data communications Ltd. 24 Raoul Vallenberg St. Tel-Aviv Tel:03-7657035 Fax:03-6455305 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3714B.D878D478 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Yifat,
 
It is=20 number 4 - [ 4] Kompella, K., et al, = "MPLS-based Layer 2=20 VPNs", work in progress.
 
It is available in IETF home page it is now called "Virtual Private LAN Service".
 
/Nhat=20 Thanh
 
TeliaSonera=20 Networks
-----Original Message-----
From: = Yifat=20 Migdal-Steinberg [mailto:yifat_ms@rad.com]
Sent: den 1 = september=20 2003 15:34
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Cc: Kireeti=20 Kompella
Subject: NEEDED References of draft=20 draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt


Hi,

Can anyone direct me to = the documents=20 refered to in draft :draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt.

The list is as = follows:

[ 2] Andersson, L. and T. = Madsen,=20 "PPVPN Terminology", work in

       =20 progress.

   [ 3] = Andersson, L.=20 (Editor), "PPVPN L2 Framework", work in progress.

   [ 4] = Kompella, K., et al,=20 "MPLS-based Layer 2 VPNs", work in

       =20 progress.

   [ 7] Rosen, = E., et al,=20 "BGP/MPLS VPNs", work in progress.

   [10] Sangli, = S., D.=20 Tappan, and Y. Rekhter, "BGP Extended Communities

        = Attribute",=20 (work in progress).

   [11] Martini, = L., et al,=20 "Encapsulation Methods for Transport of

        = Layer 2=20 Frames Over IP and MPLS Networks", work in progress.

   [12] = Kompella, K., et al,=20 "Decoupled TLS", work in progress.

[ 5] Martini, L., et al, = "Transport of=20 Layer 2 Frames Over MPLS",

        = work in=20 progress.

   [ 6] = Kompella, V., et al,=20 "Virtual Private Switched Network Services

        = over an MPLS=20 Network", work in progress.

   [ 8] = Ould-Brahim, H. et=20 al, "Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism

        = for=20 Network-based VPNs", work in progress.

   [ 9] Shah, H. = et al,=20 "Signaling between PE and L2PE/MTU for Decoupled

        = VPLS and=20 Hierarchical VPLS", work in progress.


Thank you,

Yifat


Mrs. Yifat Migdal-Steinberg

System Engineer

Broadband Access

RAD Data communications Ltd.

24 Raoul Vallenberg St.

Tel-Aviv

Tel:03-7657035

Fax:03-6455305

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3714B.D878D478-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Sep 2 09:43:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA25284 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBRI-0003Qv-UA for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:43:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h82DhK3e013191 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:43:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBRG-0003Qf-1J for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:43:20 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA25231 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u67K-00077v-Qi; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 04:02:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u3HX-0006KH-Rs for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:00:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA28276 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u3HT-0003bj-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:00:39 -0400 Received: from bzq-25-127-226.cust.bezeqint.net ([212.25.127.226] helo=tiger.seabridge.co.il) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19tQww-0004Dq-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:04:55 -0400 Received: by tiger.seabridge.co.il with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:03:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Yaron Nachman To: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: Qualified Learning in VPLS Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:03:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Why was "Qualified Learning" moved out of scope of the VPLS Model in the last revision of the draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp? Were there any issues with inter-operation of Qualified Learning and H-VPLS? Regards, Yaron Nachman SEABRIDGE Ltd. Tel: 972-9-7751359 Fax: 972-9-7751212 E-mail: yaron.nachman@SeabridgeNetworks.com From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Sep 2 09:45:01 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA25639 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBSV-0003iN-J1 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:44:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h82DiXkT014190 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:44:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBSS-0003g9-T1 for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:44:33 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA25444 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBRw-0003Xn-QH; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:44:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uBRM-0003RK-Jg for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:43:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA25251 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uBRK-000086-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:43:22 -0400 Received: from zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com ([47.129.242.157]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uBQN-00005y-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:42:23 -0400 Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h82Dfl915718; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hamid Ould-Brahim" To: Yifat Migdal-Steinberg , l2vpn@ietf.org Cc: Kireeti Kompella Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:41:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Yifat, I think the same documents are now with l2vpn/l3vpns acronyms instead of ppvpn. I assume not all drafts have their reference section updated to reflect the two new working groups change. Here are some pointers below to the documents asked: > Can anyone direct me to the documents refered to > in draft :draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt. > The list is as follows: > [ 2] Andersson, L. and T. Madsen, "PPVPN Terminology", work in progress. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersson-ppvpn-terminology-03.txt [ 3] Andersson, L. (Editor), "PPVPN L2 Framework", work in progress. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-l2-framework-00.txt > [ 4] Kompella, K., et al, "MPLS-based Layer 2 VPNs", work in progress. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kompella-ppvpn-l2vpn-03.txt > [ 7] Rosen, E., et al, "BGP/MPLS VPNs", work in progress. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-00.txt > [10] Sangli, S., D. Tappan, and Y. Rekhter, "BGP Extended Communities Attribute", > (work in progress). http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext-communities-06.tx t > [11] Martini, L., et al, "Encapsulation Methods for Transport of > Layer 2 Frames Over IP and MPLS Networks", work in progress. Updated to: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-ethernet-encap-03.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-atm-encap-02.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-hdlc-ppp-encap-mpls-00.t xt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-frame-relay-01.txt > [12] Kompella, K., et al, "Decoupled TLS", work in progress. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kompella-ppvpn-dtls-02.txt > [ 5] Martini, L., et al, "Transport of Layer 2 Frames Over MPLS", > work in progress. updated to: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-control-protocol-03.txt > [ 6] Kompella, V., et al, "Virtual Private Switched Network Services > over an MPLS Network", work in progress. I assume this one has expired but have a look at this draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-00.txt > [ 8] Ould-Brahim, H. et al, "Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism > for Network-based VPNs", work in progress. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l3vpn-bgpvpn-auto-00.txt > [ 9] Shah, H. et al, "Signaling between PE and L2PE/MTU for Decoupled > VPLS and Hierarchical VPLS", work in progress. I assume this one has expired. Hamid. > Thank you, > Yifat > Mrs. Yifat Migdal-Steinberg > System Enginee r > Broadband Access > RAD Data communications Ltd. > 24 Raoul Vallenberg St. > Tel-Aviv > Tel:03-7657035 > Fax:03-6455305 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Sep 2 13:09:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15770 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uEeQ-0002y5-0Y for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:09:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h82H95IF011403 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uEeP-0002xq-S8 for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15747 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uEeN-0000JB-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:09:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uEeM-0000J2-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:09:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uEeM-0002wt-18; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:09:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uEeB-0002wI-MD for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:08:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15693 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uEe9-0000I7-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:08:49 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uEe7-0000Hx-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:08:47 -0400 Received: from [63.202.92.152] (adsl-63-202-92-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h82H8igf031282 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffvpnc@mail.vpnc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:10:10 -0700 To: l2vpn@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman / VPNC Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 9:41 AM -0400 9/2/03, Hamid Ould-Brahim wrote: >I assume not all drafts have their reference >section updated to reflect the two new working groups change. Drafts are only updated by their authors, not by the Internet Drafts editor. This draft absolutely should list the draft names of all the "work in progress" drafts in its reference section. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 3 01:08:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06591 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPsD-0005gu-Ul for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:08:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8358502021867 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:08:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPsD-0005gc-OW for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:08:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06574 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPsA-0000BE-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:08:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPsA-0000BB-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:08:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPs8-0005fu-DK; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:08:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPrS-0005T6-9k for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:07:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06510 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPrP-00009c-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:07:15 -0400 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPrO-00008G-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:07:14 -0400 Received: from kummer.juniper.net (kummer.juniper.net [172.17.12.90]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h8356iY11048; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from localhost (kireeti@localhost) by kummer.juniper.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h8356hd25568; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kummer.juniper.net: kireeti owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Kireeti Kompella To: Hamid Ould-Brahim cc: Yifat Migdal-Steinberg , "" Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030902220621.L25556@kummer.juniper.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Thanks, Hamid -- I owe you! Kireeti. From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 3 01:11:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06830 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPv6-0005rS-2m for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:11:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h835B4OX022524 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:11:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPv5-0005rD-TH for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:11:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06787 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPv3-0000Fw-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:11:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPv2-0000Ft-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:11:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPv4-0005oD-NB; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:11:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uPu9-0005ln-6x for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:10:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06719 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPu6-0000EH-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:10:02 -0400 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uPu5-0000Dq-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:10:01 -0400 Received: from kummer.juniper.net (kummer.juniper.net [172.17.12.90]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h8359WY11332; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from localhost (kireeti@localhost) by kummer.juniper.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h8359WR25574; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kummer.juniper.net: kireeti owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kireeti Kompella To: Paul Hoffman / VPNC cc: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030902220713.T25556@kummer.juniper.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > Drafts are only updated by their authors, not by the Internet Drafts > editor. This draft absolutely should list the draft names of all the > "work in progress" drafts in its reference section. Two problems with that: draft names keep changing, and we're constantly reminded _not_ to quote draft names. I used to use the draft names -- I think I will go back to that, perhaps without the version numbers. Kireeti. From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 3 11:28:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15554 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uZYD-0006fQ-Ir for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:28:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h83FS5OZ025622 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:28:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uZYD-0006fB-3X for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:28:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15530 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uZYB-0001rw-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:28:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uZYB-0001rs-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:28:03 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uZY9-0006eT-KD; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:28:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uZXb-0006dn-93 for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:27:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15493 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uZXa-0001qY-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:27:26 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uZXZ-0001qV-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:27:25 -0400 Received: from [63.202.92.152] (adsl-63-202-92-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h83FRLgf046332; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffvpnc@mail.vpnc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030902220713.T25556@kummer.juniper.net> References: <20030902220713.T25556@kummer.juniper.net> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:26:23 -0700 To: Kireeti Kompella From: Paul Hoffman / VPNC Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 10:09 PM -0700 9/2/03, Kireeti Kompella wrote: > > Drafts are only updated by their authors, not by the Internet Drafts >> editor. This draft absolutely should list the draft names of all the >> "work in progress" drafts in its reference section. > >Two problems with that: draft names keep changing, and we're >constantly reminded _not_ to quote draft names. Um, who is doing that constant reminding? That's exactly the opposite of what others have been saying for many years. If it is an IESG member, we need to get more consistent advice from the IESG on this. > I used to use the >draft names -- I think I will go back to that, perhaps without the >version numbers. Correct: don't use version numbers. You aren't referring to a single instantiation of a draft, which can be replaced at any time. You are referring to what will be the final item in the series, namely the eventual RFC. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Sep 4 10:28:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26172 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uv5g-0004vu-Uy for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:28:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h84ES47Z018958 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:28:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uv5g-0004vh-Qm for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:28:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26099 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uv5e-000413-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:28:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uv5d-000410-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:28:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uv5d-0004v4-FK; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:28:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uv5W-0004uc-DQ for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:27:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26082 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uv5T-00040c-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:27:52 -0400 Received: from vmmrnat.verisignmail.com ([216.168.230.187] helo=vmmr8.verisignmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uv5T-00040Y-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:27:51 -0400 Received: from ms7.verisignmail.com (ms7.verisignmail.com [216.168.230.174] (may be forged)) by vmmr8.verisignmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id AQB52496; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from khumbu (66.238.227.126.ptr.us.xo.net [66.238.227.126]) by ms7.verisignmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id AQM66476; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric W Gray" To: "'Paul Hoffman / VPNC'" , "'Kireeti Kompella'" Cc: Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c372f0$b2f935a0$6901a8c0@khumbu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, We are constantly reminded by the boiler-plate text on the first page of every Internet Draft - which says: "It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." > -----Original Message----- > From: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman / VPNC > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:26 AM > To: Kireeti Kompella > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt > > At 10:09 PM -0700 9/2/03, Kireeti Kompella wrote: > > > Drafts are only updated by their authors, not by the Internet Drafts > >> editor. This draft absolutely should list the draft names of all the > >> "work in progress" drafts in its reference section. > > > >Two problems with that: draft names keep changing, and we're > >constantly reminded _not_ to quote draft names. > > Um, who is doing that constant reminding? That's exactly the opposite > of what others have been saying for many years. If it is an IESG > member, we need to get more consistent advice from the IESG on this. > > > I used to use the > >draft names -- I think I will go back to that, perhaps without the > >version numbers. > > Correct: don't use version numbers. You aren't referring to a single > instantiation of a draft, which can be replaced at any time. You are > referring to what will be the final item in the series, namely the > eventual RFC. > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Sep 4 11:41:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03266 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwEJ-0000ye-RD for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h84Ff35h003750 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:41:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwEJ-0000yP-Mi for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03226 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwEI-0006IG-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwEH-0006IC-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwEH-0000xw-Du; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwDl-0000x4-TB for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:40:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03200 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwDk-0006Hg-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:40:28 -0400 Received: from mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.85.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwDj-0006Gq-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:40:28 -0400 Received: from [65.213.193.49] by mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:39:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3F4D687700004260@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Kavita Khanna" Subject: MPLS 2003: Oct. 26-28; Washington D.C. To: l2vpn@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MPLS 2003 International Conference Omni Shoreham Hotel, Washington D.C. October 26-28, 2003 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.mpls2003.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D You are cordially invited to attend the MPLS 2003 International Conferenc= e to be held in Washington D.C. October 26-28, 2003. The 3-day event consis= ts of highly technical sessions, tutorials, panel discussions, and exhibits.= Registration for the conference is now open. Early registration discounts= are extremely lucrative and are valid for a limited time only. To registe= r, go to: http://www.mpls2003.com/registration.htm A limited number of rooms are available at the Omni Shoreham Hotel at spe= cial rates for conference attendees. We suggest you make your reservation as soon as possible, since October is typically a busy period for hotels in Washington DC. Important Dates: --------------------- - Early Registration Rates Cut-Off Date: September 30 - Tutorials: October 26, 9:00am - 5:30 pm - Conference sessions: October 27-28, 8:45am-6:30pm - Exhibits: October 27-28, 8:45am-6:30pm Program (visit http://mpls2003.com/sessions.htm for details): Sunday October 26 ------------------ Tutorial 1: Introduction to MPLS Tutorial 2: VPNs Tutorial 3: Layer 2 VPNs/VPLS Tutorial 4: MPLS Security Monday October 27 ------------------ Opening remarks - Peter Hill (BellSouth Telecommunications) & Dr. Hamid Ahmadi (AT&T Labs) Introduction - Luca Martini (Level3 Communications) Keynote Session: Convergence (Service Provider's Perspective) - What is the Role of MPLS in Network Convergence? - R. Spencer, BT - MPLS Convergence Strategies - R. Moignard, France Telecom - MPLS: The Catalyst of Convergence? - C. Masiero, Equant Session: OAM - New Developments in MPLS and IP OAM - G. Swallow, Cisco Systems - Network Management of MPLS-based VPNs - K. Melden, Juniper Networks - MPLS Convergence, Control and OAM Implications - D. Allan, Nortel Net= works - Service OA&M for MPLS VPNs - V. Kompella, Alcatel Session: Layer 2 Transport & Interworking over MPLS - VPLS - Remember LANE? - A. Sayeed, Cisco Systems - High Availability for MPLS LSRs - K. Kompella, Juniper Networks - Transitioning a Profitable Service Portfolio to an MPLS Core Network - M. Nielsen, Lucent Technologies - VPLS Provisioning, Performance and Scalability: Problems and Solution= s - V. Radoaca, Nortel Networks Session: L2/L3 VPNs - BGP-VPN Services: Lessons Learned - R. Bonica, MCI - Design and Deploy Scalable Inter-AS MPLS VPNs - L. Fang, AT&T - L2-MPLS Networks - Y. Sato, NTT Communications - MPLS in Multi-AS Networks - R. Doukov, Flag Telecom PANEL: MPLS as a Fusing Technology - Chair: P. Hill, VP Technology Planning & Deployment, BellSouth Teleco= mmunications - Members: D. McDysan (MCI), C. Kalmanek (ATT), R. Delavenne (LambdaNet= ), R. Wilder (Masergy), R. Doukov (Flag Telecom), McManus (Verizon), C. Lilj= enstolpe (Cable & Wireless), Y. Sato (NTT) Tuesday, October 28 ------------------- Keynote Lessons Learned - Yakov Rekhter (Juniper Networks) Critical Issues for Network Consolidation - Daniel Awduche (MCI) Session: Reliability - Next Generation Core Routers: Defining IP Reliability and Resiliency - L. Mamakos, Hyperchip - High Resiliency MPLS Network Design - S. Poretsky, Avici Systems - Hardening MPLS-based Networks - S. Vogelsang, Laurel Networks Session: IP Optical Integration - Optical Market Forces on GMPLS - K. Sage, Cisco Systems - Multiservice Metro Networks in Sweden and Their Plans to Go GMPLS - L. Andersson - Photonic Internet Laboratory: New Challenges for Future Photonic Netw= ork - N. Yamanaka, NTT - Generalized VPNs (GVPNs) - H. Ould-Brahim, Nortel Networks Session: New MPLS Features - Scalable Multicast MPLS Technology for Next Generation Broadband Serv= ices Network - S. Yasukawa, NTT - Multicast Traffic Engineering with MPLS - R. Aggarwal, Juniper Networ= ks - LDP Fast Convergence - A. Atlas, Avici Systems - How to secure an MPLS/VPN network - M. Behringer, Cisco Systems - Integration of IPv6 and IPv6 VPN Services over MPLS - F. Le Faucheur,= Cisco Systems Session: Traffic Engineering - Inter-area and Inter-AS MPLS Traffic Engineering - JP Vasseur, Cisco Systems - Traffic Engineering in Hierarchical Multiprovider Networks - G. Apost= olopoulos, Redback Networks - Multi-Region (multiarea/multiAS) Traffic Engineering - A. Ayyangar, Juniper Networks - Advanced MPLS Application Testing - B. Miller, IXIA Session: Service & Provisioning Issues - MPLS Network Management: Enterprise Deployment Management - T. Nadeau= , Cisco Systems - Attracting New Enterprise Customers with MPLS VPN Services - D. Chris= tophe, Lucent Technologies - MPLS Beyond Service Provider Cores - A. Malis, Tellabs - Critical Quality of Service Issues in MPLS Networks - J. Brayley, Lau= rel Networks - Practical Implementation of Tools Allied to the Network Management of= IP/MPLS-based Networks - P. Beaumont, WANDL We look forward to seeing you at the Conference. From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Sep 4 11:42:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03313 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwFH-00015Y-D1 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:42:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h84Fg35j004178 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:42:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwFH-00015J-7X for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:42:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03295 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwFG-0006JN-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:42:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwFE-0006JK-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:42:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwFF-00012N-5E; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:42:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uwEj-00011b-Cf for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03263 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwEi-0006J1-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uwEh-0006Iq-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:27 -0400 Received: from [63.202.92.152] (adsl-63-202-92-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h84FfNgd062600; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffvpnc@mail.vpnc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007c01c372f0$b2f935a0$6901a8c0@khumbu> References: <007c01c372f0$b2f935a0$6901a8c0@khumbu> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:42:58 -0700 To: "Eric W Gray" , "'Kireeti Kompella'" From: Paul Hoffman / VPNC Subject: RE: NEEDED References of draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-bgp-00.txt Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 10:27 AM -0400 9/4/03, Eric W Gray wrote: >Paul, > > We are constantly reminded by the boiler-plate text on >the first page of every Internet Draft - which says: > >"It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference >material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." Right. So the reference section of an Internet Draft would list them by title and the file name (without the number), and say "work in progress". This is the typical way it is done in all the WGs with which I am familiar. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Sep 5 10:41:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27404 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19vHlq-00083g-6u for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:41:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h85Ef6mt030972 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:41:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19vHlq-00083S-1j for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:41:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27316 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vHln-0007Yg-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:41:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vHln-0007Yd-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:41:03 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19vHlm-00082Y-Kd; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:41:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19vHku-0007qQ-Gr for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:40:08 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27144; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200309051440.KAA27144@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-l2vpn-signaling-00.txt Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:40:00 -0400 Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Provisioning Models and Endpoint Identifiers in L2VPN Signaling Author(s) : E. Rosen, V. Radoaca Filename : draft-ietf-l2vpn-signaling-00.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2003-9-5 [PWE3-CONTROL] specifies a 'signaling protocol' which uses extensions of LDP [RFC 3036] to set up and maintain pseudowires [PWE3-ARCH]. Like any protocol which sets up connections, the signaling protocol provides a method by which each endpoint can identify the other. [L2VPN-FW] describes a number of different ways in which sets of pseudowires may be combined together into 'Provider Provisioned Layer 2 VPNs' (L2 PPVPNs, or L2VPNs), resulting in a number of different kinds of L2VPN. Different kinds of L2VPN may have different 'provisioning models', i.e., different models for what information needs to be configured in what entities. Once configured, the provisioning information is distributed by a 'discovery process', and once the information is discovered, the signaling protocol is automatically invoked to set up the required pseudowires. The semantics of the endpoint identifiers which the signaling protocol uses for a particular type of L2VPN are determined by the provisioning model. This document specifies a number of PPVPN provisioning models, and specifies the semantic structure of the endpoint identifiers required. It further specifies how the endpoint identifiers are carried in the 'Generalized Identifier FEC' of [PWE3-CONTROL]. It is believed that the specified identifiers can also be carried within the L2TP signaling protocol, though this is currently not specified. 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This draft is a work item of the Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : L2VPN Framework Author(s) : L. Andersson, E. Rosen Filename : draft-ietf-l2vpn-l2-framework-01.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2003-9-9 This document provides a framework for Layer 2 Provider Provisioned Virtual Private Networks (PPVPNs). This framework is intended to aid in standardizing protocols and mechanisms to support interoperable Layer 2 PPVPNs. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-l2-framework-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-l2vpn-l2-framework-01.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-9-9130806.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-l2-framework-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-l2vpn-l2-framework-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-9-9130806.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 03:49:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21412 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19wziu-000395-Ol for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:09 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8A7n8GX012090 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19wziu-00038v-9P for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21403 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wzir-0001UR-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wzir-0001UN-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19wzio-000386-NE; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:49:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19wzhw-00036y-0k for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:48:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21364 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wzht-0001TR-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:48:05 -0400 Received: from [80.74.100.67] (helo=antivir2) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wzhs-0001TI-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:48:05 -0400 Received: from 192.168.254.14 by antivir2 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:50:21 +0200 Received: by TLV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:42:39 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sasha Vainshtein To: "Eric Rosen (E-mail)" Cc: "L2VPN (E-mail)" Subject: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-signalin g-00.txt Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:42:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Eric and all, I have some doubt wrt section 5.1.1.2 "Single Sided Provisioning with Discovery" of draft-ietf-l2vpn-signaling-00.txt. The text says that each PE distributes its list of , while each attachment circuit is providioned with the value. The case that worries me is like following: - we have 3 PEs (PE-1, PE-2 and PE-3) - PE-1 has a single attachment circuit locally identified as and configured to expect as its remote peer as the remote side) - both PE-2 and PE-3 have attachment circuits locally identified as (looks perfectly legal since "fred" is a LOCAL identification) and configured to expect as their remote peers. The draft seems to ignore such a case. In particular, it is not clear to me what prevents a situation when two unidirectional LSPs - , PE2, > and , PE1, > - are created. With best regards, Sasha Vainshtein email: sasha@axerra.com tel: +972-3-7659993 (office) +972-8-9254948 (res.) +972-58-674833 (cell.) From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 09:11:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28406 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x4kU-0004GD-UW for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8ADB61K016371 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x4kU-0004Fy-Ne for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28392 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x4kT-0003gb-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x4kS-0003gY-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x4kP-0004FS-IM; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x4jW-0004E8-Jx for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:10:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28375 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x4jV-0003gA-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:10:05 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x4jU-0003g1-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:10:04 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.70.36]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8AD9Uhh000049; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200309101309.h8AD9Uhh000049@rtp-core-2.cisco.com> To: Sasha Vainshtein cc: "L2VPN (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-signalin g-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:42:32 +0200. Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com User-Agent: EMH/1.14.1 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:09:30 -0400 From: Eric Rosen Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sasha> - both PE-2 and PE-3 have attachment circuits locally identified as Sasha> (looks perfectly legal since "fred" is a LOCAL Sasha> identification) and configured to expect as their remote Sasha> peers.=20 =46rom the first paragraph of section 5.1.1.2:=20 The local name consists of a VPN-id (signaled as the AGI) and an Attachment Individual Identifier which is unique relative to the AGI.=20 So the situation in which you have two 's is not allowed.=20 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 09:41:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29048 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x5DU-0005F1-Qe for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8ADf41u020141 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x5DU-0005Em-Lx for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29041 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x5DS-0003qZ-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x5DS-0003qW-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x5DS-0005EF-3h; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:41:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x5Cw-0005Di-SM for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:40:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29037 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x5Cv-0003qT-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:40:29 -0400 Received: from [80.74.100.67] (helo=antivir2) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x5Cu-0003qQ-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:40:28 -0400 Received: from 192.168.254.14 by antivir2 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:42:45 +0200 Received: by TLV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sasha Vainshtein To: "'erosen@cisco.com'" Cc: "L2VPN (E-mail)" Subject: RE: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-8" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Eric, Sorry - missed this point. However, I think that referring to a name that must be unique in some global (AGI) context as "local" is misleading (at least, it mis-led me:-). On the practical side: How can the operator configuring AIIs in a PE guarantee their uniqueness in the context that is not local to the specific PE? A simple way to do that would be to include the PE IP address (or host name) as part of the AII, i.e. the AIIs would look like john@pe1, fred@pe2, fred@pe3 etc., but this would make moving the attachment circuit from one PE to another without reconfiguration of the remote endpoint (the primary benefit of the single-sided model) somewhat problematic. A manual check vs the list of all AIIs in the given AGI does not seem to be a nice solution either. In addition, the auto-discovery protocol should be probably capable of discovering duplicated AIIs within a given AGI with the appropriate consequent actions (at least prevention of establishing PWs + report of a detected misconfiguration). But this is probably out of scope of the signaling protocol spec. With best regards, Sasha Vainshtein email: sasha@axerra.com tel: +972-3-7659993 (office) +972-8-9254948 (res.) +972-58-674833 (cell.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rosen [mailto:erosen@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:10 PM > To: Sasha Vainshtein > Cc: L2VPN (E-mail) > Subject: Re: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of > draft-ietf-l2vpn-signalin g-00.txt > > > > Sasha> - both PE-2 and PE-3 have attachment circuits > locally identified as > Sasha> (looks perfectly legal since "fred" > is a LOCAL > Sasha> identification) and configured to expect > as their remote > Sasha> peers. > > From the first paragraph of section 5.1.1.2: > > The local name consists of a VPN-id (signaled as > the AGI) and an > Attachment Individual Identifier which is unique relative > to the AGI. > > So the situation in which you have two 's is not allowed. > From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 10:36:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02089 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x64i-0006mK-Lm for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8AEa42b026050 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x64i-0006m5-DO for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02074 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x64g-0004Ir-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x64f-0004Io-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x64f-0006lW-Qh; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x64I-0006lE-Tb for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02037 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:35:30 -0400 (EDT) From: richard.spencer@bt.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x64G-0004IC-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:35:36 -0400 Received: from saturn.bt.com ([193.113.57.20] helo=cbibipnt05.hc.bt.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x64F-0004Hm-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:35:36 -0400 Received: by cbibipnt05.hc.bt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:35:16 +0100 Message-ID: To: erosen@cisco.com, Sasha@AXERRA.com Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: RE: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:34:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > From the first paragraph of section 5.1.1.2: > > The local name consists of a VPN-id (signaled as > the AGI) and an> Attachment Individual Identifier > which is unique relative to the AGI. > > So the situation in which you have two 's is not > allowed. When I read this I took it to mean unique on a per PE basis rather than on a per VPN basis, perhaps the draft should state this? This leads me onto a question on a similar theme to a question I have posted on the PWE3 mailing list. What values/names are intended to be used as AI's? An example given in draft-ietf-pwe3-control-protocol-03.txt is "ATM3VPI4VCI5". As its possible for two Attachment Circuits on different PEs (but belonging to the same VPN) to have exactly the same interface/VPI/VCI values, this is obviously not a good ID to use because it may not be unique within a VPN. Of course a service provider could put processes in place to avoid the use of identical IDs within a VPN, e.g. move one of the Attachment Circuits over to a different VPI/VCI, but this is extra work and mistakes can happen. Why not just use the PWid FEC element and use the combination of the PE IP address and PWid to identify the VPN endpoints? What problem(s) does the Generalised ID FEC element solve that justifies the extra configuration/management required in associating an Attachment circuit with a VPN ID (AGI) AND an endpoint ID (SAII/TAII)? Thanks, Richard From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 10:44:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02585 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x6CV-0007Qe-Mp for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:07 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8AEi7S2028546 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x6CU-0007QE-92 for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02561 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x6CR-0004Rb-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x6CR-0004RY-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:03 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x6CR-0007Od-Tt; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x6Bi-0007NG-IS for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:43:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02519 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x6Bg-0004Qu-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:43:16 -0400 Received: from [80.74.100.67] (helo=antivir2) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x6Bf-0004P3-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:43:15 -0400 Received: from 192.168.254.14 by antivir2 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:45:26 +0200 Received: by TLV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:37:44 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sasha Vainshtein To: "'richard.spencer@bt.com'" , erosen@cisco.com Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: RE: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:37:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Richard and all, Please see some comments inline. With best regards, Sasha Vainshtein email: sasha@axerra.com tel: +972-3-7659993 (office) +972-8-9254948 (res.) +972-58-674833 (cell.) > -----Original Message----- > From: richard.spencer@bt.com [mailto:richard.spencer@bt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:35 PM > To: erosen@cisco.com; Sasha Vainshtein > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of > draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt > > > > From the first paragraph of section 5.1.1.2: > > > > The local name consists of a VPN-id (signaled as > > the AGI) and an> Attachment Individual Identifier > > which is unique relative to the AGI. > > > > So the situation in which you have two 's is not > > allowed. > > When I read this I took it to mean unique on a per PE basis > rather than on a > per VPN basis, perhaps the draft should state this? > Looks like we have both made the same mistake. The draft actually states that the names are unique within the specific VPN, but still calls the name "local". > ... snipped to the end... From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 12:19:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06589 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7gO-0002Zf-3R for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8AGJ4mZ009888 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7gN-0002ZB-Th for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06564 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7gM-0005L8-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7gL-0005L4-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7gK-0002YA-VW; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7fU-0002WS-5i for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06543 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7fS-0005Kb-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:06 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7fS-0005KS-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:06 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.70.36]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8AGHXGM019314 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200309101617.h8AGHXGM019314@rtp-core-1.cisco.com> Received: from flask.cisco.com by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.2) for erosen@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by flask.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ACG56343; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.70.36]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8AFoEhh002508; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200309101550.h8AFoEhh002508@rtp-core-2.cisco.com> To: Sasha Vainshtein Subject: Re: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:01 +0200. Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com User-Agent: EMH/1.14.1 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:50:14 -0400 From: Eric Rosen X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-104.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM,USER_AGENT, USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Resent-To: l2vpn@ietf.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:17:33 -0400 Resent-From: Eric Rosen Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sasha> On the practical side: How can the operator configuring AIIs in a PE Sasha> guarantee their uniqueness in the context that is not local to the Sasha> specific PE? Any VPWS auto-discovery scheme requires the assignment of ids that are unique per VPN. One would need a provisioning process that could assign these, so probably these ids would be integers beginning with 1 and incrementing for each new system added to the VPN. Whether the benefit of the auto-discovery exceeds the cost of this provisioning process is a debatable issue. From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Sep 10 13:06:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06588 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7gO-0002ZW-1n for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8AGJ3fr009874 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7gN-0002ZA-MS for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06562 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7gM-0005LB-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7gL-0005L5-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7gL-0002YL-95; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19x7ff-0002Wa-7D for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06550 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7fd-0005Kg-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:17 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19x7fd-0005KY-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:18:17 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.70.36]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8AGHiGM019348 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200309101617.h8AGHiGM019348@rtp-core-1.cisco.com> Received: from flask.cisco.com by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.2) for erosen@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by flask.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ACG57566; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AXERRA.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2003 09:14:02 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8AG0pbs005995 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antivir2 ([80.74.100.67]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8AG18KY020481 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 192.168.254.14 by antivir2 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:03:37 +0200 Received: by TLV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:55:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sasha Vainshtein To: "'erosen@cisco.com'" Subject: RE: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:55:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-8" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Resent-To: l2vpn@ietf.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:17:44 -0400 Resent-From: Eric Rosen Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Eric, Thank you for a prompt response. Please see inline. With best regards, Sasha Vainshtein email: sasha@axerra.com tel: +972-3-7659993 (office) +972-8-9254948 (res.) +972-58-674833 (cell.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rosen [mailto:erosen@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:50 PM > To: Sasha Vainshtein > Subject: Re: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of > draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt > > > > Sasha> On the practical side: How can the operator > configuring AIIs in a PE > Sasha> guarantee their uniqueness in the context that is > not local to the > Sasha> specific PE? > > Any VPWS auto-discovery scheme requires the assignment of > ids that are > unique per VPN. One would need a provisioning process > that could assign > these, so probably these ids would be integers > beginning with 1 and > incrementing for each new system added to the VPN. > The problem with the VPWS is that it is not enough to generate unique attachment circuit IDs. The provisioning process must also assign a peer endpoint ID to any attachment circuit, and assignments of the two peers must match. If this operation is done manually, it is not any better than assignment of PW IDs. Automated matching schemes are, IMO, somewhat problematic. All such schemes I am aware of make some assumptions on the VPWS topology (full mesh, hub-and-spokes etc.) and become increasingly complicated as these assumptions change. So I fully agree with your conclusion below: > > Whether the benefit of the auto-discovery exceeds the > cost of this provisioning process is a debatable issue. > > > > From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Sep 11 11:21:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27143 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xTFq-0003Mr-LB for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8BFL63r012939 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xTFq-0003Mc-Es for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27134 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xTFp-0002F5-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xTFp-0002F1-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xTFk-0003M4-Uh; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xTFQ-0003LP-Pv for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:20:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27119 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xTFP-0002Er-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:20:39 -0400 Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net ([68.1.17.244]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xTFP-0002E9-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:20:39 -0400 Received: from m-va-1001.rhwilder.net ([68.100.188.126]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030911151959.LOKX29208.lakemtao01.cox.net@m-va-1001.rhwilder.net> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:19:59 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030911110924.047be238@pop.bizmail.yahoo.com > X-Sender: rick@rhwilder.net@pop.bizmail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:18:30 -0400 To: l2vpn@ietf.org From: Rick Wilder Subject: draft-ietf-l3vpn-security-framework-00.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , L2VPN participants, The document draft-ietf-l3vpn-security-framework-00.txt is available and will soon enter a last-call period in the L3VPN WG. Since the document also concerns work in L2VPN, today we will start a 2-week discussion/review on this list so that our input can be considered in the L3VPN last call. Please take a look and provide any input you have. Loa, Vach, and Rick From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Sep 11 14:27:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04083 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xW9p-000193-RP for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8BIR5oO004401 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xW9p-00018u-NQ for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04055 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xW9n-00044t-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xW9m-00044p-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xW9k-00018Q-UM; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:27:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xW97-00017y-Pl for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:26:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04007 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xW95-00044e-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:26:19 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xW94-00044a-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:26:18 -0400 Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8BIPgXs013819; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (dhcp-128-107-166-70.cisco.com [128.107.166.70]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALL31002; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F60BE25.14F4321C@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:25:41 -0700 From: Wei Luo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sasha Vainshtein CC: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of draft-ietf-l2vpn-signalin g-00.txt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sasha, Do you think the idea proposed in the Section 4 of the following draft would enable you to assign locally significant values to attachment circuits while keep them globally unique in signaling exchanges? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-luo-l2tpext-l2vpn-signaling-02.txt Please note it is protocol independent. ---Wei Sasha Vainshtein wrote: > > Eric, > Thank you for a prompt response. > Please see inline. > > With best regards, > Sasha Vainshtein > email: sasha@axerra.com > tel: +972-3-7659993 (office) > +972-8-9254948 (res.) > +972-58-674833 (cell.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Rosen [mailto:erosen@cisco.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:50 PM > > To: Sasha Vainshtein > > Subject: Re: A question regarding section 5.1.1.2 of > > draft-ietf-l2vpn-sign alin g-00.txt > > > > > > > > Sasha> On the practical side: How can the operator > > configuring AIIs in a PE > > Sasha> guarantee their uniqueness in the context that is > > not local to the > > Sasha> specific PE? > > > > Any VPWS auto-discovery scheme requires the assignment of > > ids that are > > unique per VPN. One would need a provisioning process > > that could assign > > these, so probably these ids would be integers > > beginning with 1 and > > incrementing for each new system added to the VPN. > > > The problem with the VPWS is that it is not enough to generate unique > attachment circuit IDs. The provisioning process must also assign a peer > endpoint ID to any attachment circuit, and assignments of the two peers > must match. If this operation is done manually, it is not any better than > assignment of PW IDs. Automated matching schemes are, IMO, somewhat > problematic. > All such schemes I am aware of make some assumptions on the VPWS topology > (full mesh, hub-and-spokes etc.) and become increasingly complicated > as these assumptions change. So I fully agree with your conclusion below: > > > > Whether the benefit of the auto-discovery exceeds the > > cost of this provisioning process is a debatable issue. > > > > > > > > From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Sep 25 17:50:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23061 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2dzw-0006aq-Vc for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8PLo4cX025338 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2dzw-0006ab-Qe for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23034 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2dzu-0006lA-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2dzt-0006l6-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2dzu-0006Zg-B6; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:50:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2dzR-0006Yq-KF for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:49:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23002 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2dzO-0006kK-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:49:30 -0400 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.33]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2dzO-0006jt-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:49:30 -0400 Received: from balavenkata@netscape.net by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.13a.90cd7df (16226) for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.net (mow-m20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.136]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v96.6) with ESMTP id MAILININ22-3f623f7362c7252; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:48:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:48:55 -0400 From: balavenkata@netscape.net (Bala Venkata) To: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: MIB for VP*S MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E079DCB.1F646E90.476F938A@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 64.50.112.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just checking to see if there is any work done towards 'describing MIB for VPLS/VPWS'...I see it as one of the goals/milestones for the WG. Juniper seems to have added some support in their properitary MIB (see more at: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos/junos60/swconfig60-net-mgmt/html/mib-jnx-vpn.txt) /bala --------------------------------- Bala S. Venkata Dorado Software "I do the difficult ones easily.. ..the impossible's take a while" --------------------------------- __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Sep 26 09:39:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05462 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2soL-0002ex-I6 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8QDd5mI010217 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2soL-0002ei-DJ for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05438 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2soJ-0000z3-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2soJ-0000z0-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:03 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2soH-0002eF-8W; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2snh-0002bR-FM for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05420 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2snf-0000yk-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:23 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2snf-0000yB-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:23 -0400 Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8QDblYd010674; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tnadeauw2k02 (rtp-vpn2-696.cisco.com [10.82.242.184]) by flask.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ACR90631; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" To: "'Bala Venkata'" , Cc: "'David Zelig'" Subject: RE: MIB for VP*S Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:37:46 -0400 Organization: Cisco Systems, inc. Message-ID: <030d01c38433$5ee684f0$6701a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E079DCB.1F646E90.476F938A@netscape.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The PWE3 MIBs will support VPLS/VPWS in general, but may need a few knobs and buttons for configuration. I am going to try to present these details at the next meeting. --Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-admin@ietf.org] On >Behalf Of Bala Venkata >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:49 PM >To: l2vpn@ietf.org >Subject: MIB for VP*S > > >Just checking to see if there is any work done >towards 'describing MIB for VPLS/VPWS'...I see >it as one of the goals/milestones for the WG. > >Juniper seems to have added some support in >their properitary MIB (see more at: >http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos/junos60/swconfig 60-net-mgmt/html/mib-jnx-vpn.txt) /bala --------------------------------- Bala S. Venkata Dorado Software "I do the difficult ones easily.. ..the impossible's take a while" --------------------------------- __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Sep 28 22:35:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09450 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3nsS-0006U4-AQ for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:08 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8T2Z8IV024918 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3nsS-0006To-5l for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09442 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3nsO-0007Ob-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3nsO-0007OX-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3nsM-0006T7-Gc; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:35:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3nsJ-0006Se-5K for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:34:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09426 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3nsF-0007OC-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:34:55 -0400 Received: from bay2-f137.bay2.hotmail.com ([65.54.247.137] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3nsF-0007NZ-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:34:55 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:34:25 -0700 Received: from 66.7.144.1 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:34:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.7.144.1] X-Originating-Email: [tsenevir@hotmail.com] From: "Tissa Senevirathne" To: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: Use of L2TP base VPLS Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:34:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 02:34:25.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[32ACFB70:01C38632] Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , ID below present use of L2TP base signaling for VPLS. Work in this ID is presented as complimentary to other work currently in progress at WG level. I appreciate your comments and feedback http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tsenevir-l2tp-vpls-00.txt Tissa _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Sep 29 06:54:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04082 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vfI-00023x-1d for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:54:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8TAs4H5007923 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:54:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vfH-00023i-Sc for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:54:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04075 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3vfD-0003cB-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:53:59 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3vfD-0003c8-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:53:59 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vfF-00022p-6Z; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:54:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3veI-0001yF-Jk for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:53:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04023 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3veE-0003b4-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:52:58 -0400 Received: from [80.74.100.67] (helo=antivir2) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3veD-0003as-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:52:57 -0400 Received: from 192.168.254.14 by antivir2 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:55:26 +0200 Received: by TLV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:47:20 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sasha Vainshtein To: "'Tissa Senevirathne'" Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: RE: Use of L2TP base VPLS Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:47:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-8" Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Tissa and all, I have tried to compare your draft with draft-heinanen-radius-l2tp-vpls-00.txt. My first observation is that draft-heinanen support VPLS operation (subject to some auto-discovery mechanism which is out of scope of L2TP) without introducing any extensions to the basic L2TP level. IMO, the approach used in this draft can be used with any auto-discovery mechanism (direc tory-based, BGP-based etc.) with minimal changes. (Of course,I can be wrong here:-) Hence I would like to understand the rationale for far-reaching changes to L2TP proposed in your draft. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- With best regards, Sasha Vainshtein email: sasha@axerra.com phone: +972-3-7659993 (office) +972-8-9254948 (home) +972-58-674833 (cellular) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tissa Senevirathne [mailto:tsenevir@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:34 AM > To: l2vpn@ietf.org > Subject: Use of L2TP base VPLS > > > > > ID below present use of L2TP base signaling for VPLS. Work in > this ID is > presented as complimentary to other work currently in > progress at WG level. > > I appreciate your comments and feedback > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tsenevir-l2tp-vpls-00.txt > > Tissa > > _________________________________________________________________ > Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month > (depending on the local service providers in your area). > https://broadband.msn.com > > From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Sep 29 06:57:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04162 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vi9-0002AJ-F5 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:57:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8TAv1PK008317 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:57:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vi9-0002A4-BJ for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:57:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04148 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3vi5-0003dy-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:57 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3vi4-0003dv-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:56 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vi8-00028m-FH; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:57:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3vhU-00028B-W9 for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04140 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Moshe.Aharon@ecitele.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3vhQ-0003dk-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:16 -0400 Received: from mink.ecitele.com ([147.234.1.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A3vhP-0003dh-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:56:16 -0400 Received: from ilsmtp02.ecitele.com (ilsmtp02.ecitele.com [147.234.1.12]) by mink.ecitele.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8TAorqt015261 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:50:53 +0300 (IDT) Subject: l2vpn meeting in IETF-58 ? To: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:55:24 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ILSMTP02/ECI Telecom(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 09/29/2003 01:58:01 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Is there a schedule for l2vpn group meetings? I didn't see this WG appearing in the Agenda. If there's any preliminary schedule, please share it, as I might not be able to attend the entire week. Thanks a lot. /Moshe From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Sep 29 16:58:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11667 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A455o-0002mH-UN for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8TKw4jW010677 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A455o-0002m8-RA for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11660 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A455m-00054m-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A455m-00054j-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A455l-0002lc-Ng; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A455a-0002lI-Fm for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11656 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A455Y-00054g-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:48 -0400 Received: from mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.85.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A455X-00054R-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:48 -0400 Received: from Isovaio002 (65.213.193.10) by mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as azadeh@isocore.com) id 3F6163600078A975 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:57:17 -0700 From: "Ali Nabi Zadeh" To: Subject: MPLS 2003 (Washington D.C., Oct 26-28) - Special Rate Deadline Ends Sep. 30th. Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c386cc$4458da70$0ac1d541@Isovaio002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this call for participation. ====================================== MPLS 2003 International Conference Omni Shoreham Hotel, Washington D.C. 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To register, go to: http://www.mpls2003.com/registration.htm Important Dates: --------------------- - Early Registration Rates Cut-Off Date: September 30 - Tutorials: October 26, 9:00am - 5:30 pm - Conference sessions: October 27-28, 8:45am-6:30pm - Exhibits: October 27-28, 8:45am-6:30pm Program (visit http://mpls2003.com/sessions.htm for details): Sunday October 26 ------------------ Tutorial 1: Introduction to MPLS Tutorial 2: VPNs Tutorial 3: Layer 2 VPNs/VPLS Tutorial 4: MPLS Security Monday October 27 ------------------ Opening remarks - Peter Hill (BellSouth Telecommunications) & Dr. Hamid Ahmadi (AT&T Labs) Introduction - Luca Martini (Level3 Communications) Keynote Session: Convergence (Service Provider's Perspective) - What is the Role of MPLS in Network Convergence? - R. Spencer, BT - MPLS Convergence Strategies - R. Moignard, France Telecom - MPLS: The Catalyst of Convergence? - C. Masiero, Equant Session: OAM - New Developments in MPLS and IP OAM - G. Swallow, Cisco Systems - Network Management of MPLS-based VPNs - K. Melden, Juniper Networks - MPLS Convergence, Control and OAM Implications - D. Allan, Nortel Networks - Service OA&M for MPLS VPNs - V. Kompella, Alcatel Session: Layer 2 Transport & Interworking over MPLS - VPLS - Remember LANE? - A. Sayeed, Cisco Systems - VPLS - K. Kompella, Juniper Networks - Transitioning a Profitable Service Portfolio to an MPLS Core Network - M. Nielsen, Lucent Technologies - VPLS Provisioning, Performance and Scalability: Problems and Solutions - V. Radoaca, Nortel Networks Session: L2/L3 VPNs - BGP-VPN Services: Lessons Learned - R. Bonica, MCI - Design and Deploy Scalable Inter-AS MPLS VPNs - L. Fang, AT&T - L2-MPLS Networks - Y. Sato, NTT Communications - MPLS in Multi-AS Networks - R. Doukov, Flag Telecom PANEL: MPLS as a Fusing Technology - Chair: P. Hill, VP Technology Planning & Deployment, BellSouth Telecommunications In this panel session, service providers will discuss issues surrounding convergence and will present their views and experience on MPLS as a way to fuse multiple networks together. Specifically, are there favorable economics; do the technical approaches work, when might they be standardized and what are the limitations. Tuesday, October 28 ------------------- Keynote Lessons Learned - Yakov Rekhter (Juniper Networks) Critical Issues for Network Consolidation - Daniel Awduche (MCI) Session: Reliability - Next Generation Core Routers: Defining IP Reliability and Resiliency - L. Mamakos, Hyperchip - High Resiliency MPLS Network Design - S. Poretsky, Quarry Technologies - Hardening MPLS-based Networks - S. Vogelsang, Laurel Networks Session: IP Optical Integration - Optical Market Forces on GMPLS - K. Sage, Cisco Systems - Multiservice Metro Networks in Sweden and Their Plans to Go GMPLS - L. Andersson - Photonic Internet Laboratory: New Challenges for Future Photonic Network- N. Yamanaka, NTT - Generalized VPNs (GVPNs) - H. Ould-Brahim, Nortel Networks Session: New MPLS Features - Scalable Multicast MPLS Technology for Next Generation Broadband Services Network - S. Yasukawa, NTT - Multicast Traffic Engineering with MPLS - R. Aggarwal, Juniper Networks - LDP Fast Convergence - A. Atlas, Avici Systems - How to secure an MPLS/VPN network - M. Behringer, Cisco Systems - Integration of IPv6 and IPv6 VPN Services over MPLS - F. Le Faucheur, Cisco Systems Session: Traffic Engineering - Inter-area and Inter-AS MPLS Traffic Engineering - JP Vasseur, Cisco Systems - Traffic Engineering in Hierarchical Multiprovider Networks - G. Apostolopoulos, Redback Networks - Multi-Region (multiarea/multiAS) Traffic Engineering - A. Ayyangar, Juniper Networks - Advanced MPLS Application Testing - B. Miller, IXIA Session: Service & Provisioning Issues - MPLS Network Management: Enterprise Deployment Management - T. Nadeau, Cisco Systems - Attracting New Enterprise Customers with MPLS VPN Services - D. Christophe, Lucent Technologies - MPLS Beyond Service Provider Cores - A. Malis, Tellabs - Critical Quality of Service Issues in MPLS Networks - J. Brayley, Laurel Networks - Practical Implementation of Tools Allied to the Network Management of IP/MPLS-based Networks - P. Beaumont, WANDL From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Sep 29 19:03:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16687 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A472k-0008Rd-QT for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:03:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h8TN32f6032455 for l2vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:03:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A472k-0008RO-MI for l2vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:03:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16665 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A472h-0006Lg-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:59 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A472h-0006Ld-00 for l2vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:59 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A472i-0008Pt-Jw; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:03:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A471x-0008PK-M5 for l2vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16641 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Gijsbert.Van_Kersen@alcatel.be Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A471u-0006L0-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:10 -0400 Received: from alc245.alcatel.be ([195.207.101.245] helo=relay4.alcatel.be) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A471t-0006KW-00 for l2vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:02:09 -0400 Received: from bemail01.net.alcatel.be (bemail01.net.alcatel.be [138.203.145.85]) by relay4.alcatel.be (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8TN191X007458 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:01:10 +0200 Subject: Gijsbert VAN KERSEN/BE/ALCATEL is out of the office. To: l2vpn@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:01:06 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BEMAIL01/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 09/30/2003 01:01:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l2vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l2vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I will be out of the office starting 29/09/2003 and will not return until 06/10/2003.