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The program for MPLScon 2006 is now available at
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MPLScon 2006 takes place May 22-26 at the Marriott Financial Center in NYC,
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HI,

A ldp-vpls newbie question:

I have two customer sites which use different vlan's (say ids 601 and 602).
Suppose I want to connect them should I necessarily set up a vpls between them ?
If so the PE access ports should be access port ? What would be the FEC VC type
of the vpls (ethernet/ethernet-vlan) ? 

      +-------+     +------+               +------+      +-------+
      |  CE   |-----|  PE  |----..mpls..---|  PE  |------| CE    |
      |site1  |     |dev A |       core    |dev B |      | site2 |
      |vid:601|     |      |               |      |      |vid:602|
      +-------+     +------+               +------+      +-------+

Can I add a third site to participate in such a vlan translation ?


Thanks !

/bala

 





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Hi Bala,

Find my answers inline:

On 2/20/06, Bala S. Venkata <balavenkata@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> A ldp-vpls newbie question:
>
> I have two customer sites which use different vlan's (say ids 601 and
> 602).
> Suppose I want to connect them should I necessarily set up a vpls between
> them ?




>> As far as VLAN translation is concerned, you do not need to have VPLS fo=
r
that. It can be implemented simply on top of layer 2. But, if you are
talking about VPLS CEs, where multiple customer sites talking in different
VLAN to the MPLS core; you need to have VPLS between them. The VLAN
information may typically be sent in the FEC-TLV for VLAN translation and L=
2
rules can applied at CE-PE.



If so the PE access ports should be access port ?


>> Need not be.

What would be the FEC VC type
> of the vpls (ethernet/ethernet-vlan) ?
>
>       +-------+     +------+               +------+      +-------+
>       |  CE   |-----|  PE  |----..mpls..---|  PE  |------| CE    |
>       |site1  |     |dev A |       core    |dev B |      | site2 |
>       |vid:601|     |      |               |      |      |vid:602|
>       +-------+     +------+               +------+      +-------+



>> I think using the PW type depends upon the kind of VPLS instance (type
port<->port, port-vlan<->port-vlan) and not on you want to do the VLAN
translation or not. Typically, if you want to carry the .1Q tag across the
MPLS core you would likely to use Ethernet VC-type and vice-a-versa.

Can I add a third site to participate in such a vlan translation ?


>> Yes. Provided, you do the same thing for the newly connected site (makin=
g
PW to the new site from other two sites.)

Regards,
Rajesh

Thanks !
>
> /bala
>
>
>
>
>

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<br>Hi Bala,<br><br>Find my answers inline:<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 2/20/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Bala S. Venkata</b> &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:balavenkata@netscape.net" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"re=
turn top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
balavenkata@netscape.net</a>&gt; wrote:
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">HI,<br><br=
>A ldp-vpls newbie question:<br><br>I have two customer sites which use dif=
ferent vlan's (say ids 601 and 602).
<br>Suppose I want to connect them should I necessarily set up a vpls betwe=
en them ?</blockquote><div><br><br></div><br><div>&gt;&gt; As far as VLAN t=
ranslation is concerned, you do not need to have VPLS for that. It can be i=
mplemented simply on top of layer 2. But, if you are talking about VPLS CEs=
, where multiple customer sites talking in different VLAN to the MPLS core;=
 you need to have VPLS between them. The VLAN information may typically be =
sent in the FEC-TLV for VLAN translation and L2 rules can applied at CE-PE.=
=20
<br><br>&nbsp;</div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-l=
eft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:=
 1ex;">If so the PE access ports should be access port ? </blockquote><div>=
<br>
&gt;&gt; Need not be.=20
<br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Wha=
t would be the FEC VC type<br>of the vpls (ethernet/ethernet-vlan) ?<br><br=
>

&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family: courier new,monospace;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;+-------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +------+&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+-------+</span><br style=3D"font-family:=
 courier new,monospace;"><span style=3D"font-family: courier new,monospace;=
">

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;CE&nbsp;&nbsp; |-----|&nbs=
p;&nbsp;PE&nbsp;&nbsp;|----..mpls..---|&nbsp;&nbsp;PE&nbsp;&nbsp;|------| C=
E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|</span><br style=3D"font-family: courier new,mono=
space;"><span style=3D"font-family: courier new,monospace;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|site1&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |dev A |&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; core&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|dev B |&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| site2 |
</span><br style=3D"font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: courier new,monospace;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|vid:=
601|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;|vid:602|</span><br style=3D"font-family: courier new,monospace;">

<span style=3D"font-family: courier new,monospace;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;+-------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +------+&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+-------+</span></blockquote><div><br><br=
>&gt;&gt; I think using the PW type depends upon the kind of VPLS instance =
(type port&lt;-&gt;port, port-vlan&lt;-&gt;port-vlan) and not on you want t=
o do the VLAN translation or not. Typically, if you want to carry the .1Q t=
ag across the MPLS core you would likely to use Ethernet VC-type and vice-a=
-versa.=20
<br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Can=
 I add a third site to participate in such a vlan translation ?</blockquote=
>

<div><br>&gt;&gt; Yes. Provided, you do the same thing for the newly connec=
ted site (making PW to the new site from other two sites.) <br><br>Regards,=
<br>Rajesh<br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-l=
eft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:=
 1ex;">

Thanks !<br><br>/bala<br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=
=3D"all">


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Per LDP-VPLS draft Section 4.2 ("Address Learning"), "..reachability 
information is not advertised and distributed via a control plane". Now, 
how is the VC label (or the inner label) then decided (I assumed this 
much be exchanged in the control plane over the targeted ldp session) ? 
In a BGP_MPLS VPN each PE sends [<RD>:<SiteRoutes>, VPNLabel] to the 
remote in the control plane so that any traffic in the data plane to 
that site route would use that VPNLabel. Is there a mechanism similar to 
that for the two PW types (ethernet and ethernet-tagged)....but a PE 
cannot send [<Port1>.<VCLabel1>] because Port1 won't make sense to the 
remote PE ?

In section 4 the draft mentions that the AC could be "..an ATM PVC 
carrying Ethernet frames, etc., or even an Ethernet PW" besides an 
ethernet port. How can the remote PEs learn MAC addresses if the AC 
sends a non-ethernet frame ?


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From: "Rajesh Pandey" <simply.rpandey@gmail.com>
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Hi Bala,

Find my answers inline:

On 2/21/06, Bala S. Venkata <balavenkata@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> Per LDP-VPLS draft Section 4.2 ("Address Learning"), "..reachability
> information is not advertised and distributed via a control plane". Now,
> how is the VC label (or the inner label) then decided (I assumed this
> much be exchanged in the control plane over the targeted ldp session) ?


>> These are two different questions.
For reachability information answer lies in next line itself. Excerpt from
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt:
"reachability information is not advertised and distributed via a control
plane.  Reachability is obtained by standard learning bridge functions in
the data plane."
Actually VPLS creates an emulated LAN segment for a given set of users and
performs the transparent bridging operations like a normal bridge: flooding=
,
learning, filtering, forwarding and aging. For more info regarding
transparent bridging operations you might be interested in reading 802.1D o=
r
some similar doc.

>> For PW exchange related info you can go through
draft-ietf-pwe3-control-protocol-17.txt. This draft talks in detail about
these things.

In a BGP_MPLS VPN each PE sends [<RD>:<SiteRoutes>, VPNLabel] to the
> remote in the control plane so that any traffic in the data plane to
> that site route would use that VPNLabel. Is there a mechanism similar to
> that for the two PW types (ethernet and ethernet-tagged)....but a PE
> cannot send [<Port1>.<VCLabel1>] because Port1 won't make sense to the
> remote PE ?
>
> In section 4 the draft mentions that the AC could be "..an ATM PVC
> carrying Ethernet frames, etc., or even an Ethernet PW" besides an
> ethernet port. How can the remote PEs learn MAC addresses if the AC
> sends a non-ethernet frame ?
>
> >> First thing to be noticed, MAC address learning/aging is done on a per
> pseudo-wire basis. The scope of the VPLS lies within the PEs in the servi=
ce
> provider network not beyond. The PE performs forwarding of user data pack=
ets
> based on information in the Layer-2 header, such as a MAC destination
> address.  What CE sees a is just a bridge. Further, you cann't preclude
> customer access connections to be something specific, it may be different=
 at
> different CE devices (e.g., Frame Relay, ATM, 802.1d, MPLS). You might be
> interested in going through draft-ietf-l2vpn-requirements-04.txt
>

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Rajesh


Thanks !
>
> /bala
>
>
>

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<br>Hi Bala,<br><br>Find my answers inline:<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 2/21/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Bala S. Venkata</b> &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:balavenkata@netscape.net">balavenkata@netscape.net</a>&gt=
; wrote:
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Per LDP-VP=
LS draft Section 4.2 (&quot;Address Learning&quot;), &quot;..reachability<b=
r>
information is not advertised and distributed via a control plane&quot;. No=
w,<br>how is the VC label (or the inner label) then decided (I assumed this=
<br>much be exchanged in the control plane over the targeted ldp session) ?
</blockquote><div><br>&gt;&gt; These are two different questions. <br>For r=
eachability information answer lies in next line itself. Excerpt from draft=
-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt: <br>&quot;reachability information is not adve=
rtised and distributed via a control plane.&nbsp; Reachability is obtained =
by standard learning bridge functions in the data plane.&quot;=20
<br>Actually VPLS creates an emulated LAN segment for a given set of users =
and performs the transparent bridging operations like a normal bridge: floo=
ding, learning, filtering, forwarding and aging. For more info regarding tr=
ansparent bridging operations you might be interested in reading=20
802.1D or some similar doc. <br>&nbsp;</div>&gt;&gt; For PW exchange relate=
d info you can go through draft-ietf-pwe3-control-protocol-17.txt. This dra=
ft talks in detail about these things. <br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0=
pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
In a BGP_MPLS VPN each PE sends [&lt;RD&gt;:&lt;SiteRoutes&gt;, VPNLabel] t=
o the<br>remote in the control plane so that any traffic in the data plane =
to<br>that site route would use that VPNLabel. Is there a mechanism similar=
 to
<br>that for the two PW types (ethernet and ethernet-tagged)....but a PE<br=
>cannot send [&lt;Port1&gt;.&lt;VCLabel1&gt;] because Port1 won't make sens=
e to the<br>remote PE ?<br><br>In section 4 the draft mentions that the AC =
could be &quot;..an ATM PVC
<br>carrying Ethernet frames, etc., or even an Ethernet PW&quot; besides an=
<br>ethernet port. How can the remote PEs learn MAC addresses if the AC<br>=
sends a non-ethernet frame ?<br><br>&gt;&gt; First thing to be noticed, MAC=
 address learning/aging is done on a per pseudo-wire basis. The scope of th=
e VPLS lies within the PEs in the service provider network not beyond. The =
PE performs forwarding of user data packets based on information in the Lay=
er-2 header, such as a MAC destination address.&nbsp; What CE sees a is jus=
t a bridge. Further, you cann't preclude customer access connections to be =
something specific, it may be different at different CE devices (
e.g., Frame Relay, ATM, 802.1d, MPLS). You might be interested in going thr=
ough draft-ietf-l2vpn-requirements-04.txt<br></blockquote><div><br>Hope thi=
s helps.<br><br>Regards,<br>Rajesh<br>&nbsp;</div><br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks !<br><br>/bala<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">

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Folks,

This begins a 1 week WG LC on draft-ietf-l2tpext-l2vpn-06.txt:
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FYI.  It looks like we are tentatively schedule to meet on Thursday, 
3/23/2006 at 1300:
THURSDAY, March 23, 2006
[--snip--]
1130-1300 Break
1300-1500 Afternoon Session I
APP  widex      Widget Description Exchange Service WG
GEN  techspec   Requirements for IETF Technical Specification 
Publication BOF
INT  autoconf   Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG
INT  l2vpn      Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks WG
RAI  geopriv    Geographic Location/Privacy WG
SEC  saag       Security Area Directorate Open Meeting
TSV  behave     Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance WG
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Hi,

  Can there also be a case where you need both these types of PWs to the
same peer simultaneously for the same VSI? If so, when would this
scenario arise?

TIA,

Asheesh

=20

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tao Gu" <gu at centecnetworks.com>
To: <l2vpn at ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the same
VSI on the same PE



Hi folks,

=20

According to section 8 in draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,


A VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if a PE is
not able to support both PWs simultaneously, it SHOULD send a Label
Release on the PW messages that it cannot support with a status code
"Unknown FEC" as given in [RFC3036].
My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE (say PE1) can support both
types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect to PE2 while using a
Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm this?=20



Tao,

=20

This is correct as long as peer PEs support the corresponding PW types.

=20

Marc

=20



Thanks a lot in advance.

=20

Best regards,

=20

Tao Gu

=20

--
Tao Gu

=20



Centec Networks Inc.
www.centecnetworks.com

=20

tgu at centecnetworks.com
Tel (0512) 62885358 ext 815
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Cell 136-4621-3957

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp; Can there =
also be a
case where you need both these types of PWs to the same peer =
simultaneously for
the same VSI? If so, when would this scenario =
arise?<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Asheesh<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original =
Message -----
From: &quot;Tao Gu&quot; &lt;gu at =
centecnetworks.com&gt;</span></font></tt><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">To: &lt;l2vpn at =
ietf.org&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 =
AM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and =
Ethernet
VLAN PW on the same VSI on the same PE</font></tt></span></font><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>According to section 8 in =
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>A
VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if a PE is =
not able
to support both PWs simultaneously, it SHOULD send a Label Release on =
the PW
messages that it cannot support with a status code &quot;Unknown =
FEC&quot; as
given in [RFC3036].</span></font></tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">My understanding is that a VSI on the =
same PE (say
PE1) can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect =
to PE2
while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm =
this? </font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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Tao,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>This is correct as long as peer PEs support =
the corresponding PW types.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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	Hi,

	  Can there also be a case where you need both these types of
PWs to the same peer simultaneously for the same VSI? If so, when would
this scenario arise?
	[AS] No, by definition, there is only one PW per pair of PEs per
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	TIA,

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	----- Original Message ----- From: "Tao Gu" <gu at
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	To: <l2vpn at ietf.org>
	Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 AM
	Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the
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=09
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	Hi folks,

	=20

	According to section 8 in draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,

=09
	A VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if
a PE is not able to support both PWs simultaneously, it SHOULD send a
Label Release on the PW messages that it cannot support with a status
code "Unknown FEC" as given in [RFC3036].
	My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE (say PE1) can
support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect to PE2
while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm
this?=20

=09
=09
	Tao,

	=20

	This is correct as long as peer PEs support the corresponding PW
types.

	=20

	Marc

	=20

=09
=09
	Thanks a lot in advance.

	=20

	Best regards,

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	Tao Gu

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	--
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So is it possible to have a mix-and-match of VLAN tagged and untagged
services on a pair of PEs per VSI or is there never a need for this
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Thanks,

Asheesh

________________________________

From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:59 PM
To: Asheesh Jadav; l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the
sameVSI on the same PE

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________________________________


	From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:53 PM
	To: l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: Re: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE

	Hi,

	  Can there also be a case where you need both these types of
PWs to the same peer simultaneously for the same VSI? If so, when would
this scenario arise?
	[AS] No, by definition, there is only one PW per pair of PEs per
VPLS instance (per VSI/PE).

	-Ali=20

	TIA,

	Asheesh

	=20

	----- Original Message ----- From: "Tao Gu" <gu at
centecnetworks.com>
	To: <l2vpn at ietf.org>
	Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 AM
	Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the
same VSI on the same PE

	Hi folks,

	=20

	According to section 8 in draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,

=09
	A VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if
a PE is not able to support both PWs simultaneously, it SHOULD send a
Label Release on the PW messages that it cannot support with a status
code "Unknown FEC" as given in [RFC3036].
	My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE (say PE1) can
support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect to PE2
while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm
this?=20

=09
=09
=09
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=09
	Tao,

	=20

	This is correct as long as peer PEs support the corresponding PW
types.

	=20

	Marc

	=20

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	Thanks a lot in advance.

	=20

	Best regards,

	=20

	Tao Gu

	=20

	--
	Tao Gu

	=20

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	Centec Networks Inc.
	www.centecnetworks.com

	=20

	tgu at centecnetworks.com
	Tel (0512) 62885358 ext 815
	Fax (0512) 62885870
	Cell 136-4621-3957

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there never
a need for this case? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Sajassi
(sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
1:59 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Asheesh
 Jadav</st1:PersonName>; l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: supporting =
both
Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same =
PE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Asheesh Jadav</st1:PersonName> [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com] =
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
1:53 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: supporting =
both
Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same =
PE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp; Can there =
also be a
case where you need both these types of PWs to the same peer =
simultaneously for
the same VSI? If so, when would this scenario =
arise?</span></font></tt><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>[AS] No, by definition, there is =
only one
PW per pair of PEs per VPLS instance (per =
VSI/PE).</span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-Ali&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Asheesh<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original =
Message -----
From: &quot;Tao Gu&quot; &lt;gu at =
centecnetworks.com&gt;</span></font></tt><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">To: &lt;l2vpn at =
ietf.org&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 =
AM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and =
Ethernet
VLAN PW on the same VSI on the same =
PE</font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>According to section 8 in =
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>A
VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if a PE is =
not able
to support both PWs simultaneously, it SHOULD send a Label Release on =
the PW
messages that it cannot support with a status code &quot;Unknown =
FEC&quot; as
given in [RFC3036].</span></font></tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">My understanding is that a VSI on the =
same PE (say
PE1) can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect =
to PE2
while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm =
this? </font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tao,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>This is correct as long as peer PEs support =
the corresponding PW types.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Marc<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks a lot in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tao Gu<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tao =
Gu<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Centec Networks =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>www.centecnetworks.com<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>tgu at =
centecnetworks.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tel =
(0512) 62885358 ext 815<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Fax =
(0512) 62885870<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cell =
136-4621-3957<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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VPLS instance is defined as a single broadcast domain (e.g., analogous
to a VLAN in IEEE 802.1ad). So, you can have a mix of tagged and
untagged frames within a VSI but that would imply that all those tagged
and untagged frames share the same broadcast domain which further imply
they need to have a unique MAC addresses across them (no overlapping of
MAC addresses are allowed in this case).
=20
-Ali


________________________________

	From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:18 PM
	To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE
=09
=09

	So is it possible to have a mix-and-match of VLAN tagged and
untagged services on a pair of PEs per VSI or is there never a need for
this case?=20

	=20

	=20

	Thanks,

	Asheesh

=09
________________________________


	From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:59 PM
	To: Asheesh Jadav; l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE

	=20

	=20

		=20

	=09
________________________________


		From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
		Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:53 PM
		To: l2vpn@ietf.org
		Subject: Re: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet
VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same PE

		Hi,

		  Can there also be a case where you need both these
types of PWs to the same peer simultaneously for the same VSI? If so,
when would this scenario arise?
		[AS] No, by definition, there is only one PW per pair of
PEs per VPLS instance (per VSI/PE).

		-Ali=20

		TIA,

		Asheesh

		=20

		----- Original Message ----- From: "Tao Gu" <gu at
centecnetworks.com>
		To: <l2vpn at ietf.org>
		Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 AM
		Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN
PW on the same VSI on the same PE

		Hi folks,

		=20

		According to section 8 in
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,

	=09
		A VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs.
However, if a PE is not able to support both PWs simultaneously, it
SHOULD send a Label Release on the PW messages that it cannot support
with a status code "Unknown FEC" as given in [RFC3036].
		My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE (say PE1)
can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect to
PE2 while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm
this?=20

	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
		Tao,

		=20

		This is correct as long as peer PEs support the
corresponding PW types.

		=20

		Marc

		=20

	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
		Thanks a lot in advance.

		=20

		Best regards,

		=20

		Tao Gu

		=20

		--
		Tao Gu

		=20

	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
		Centec Networks Inc.
		www.centecnetworks.com

		=20

		tgu at centecnetworks.com
		Tel (0512) 62885358 ext 815
		Fax (0512) 62885870
		Cell 136-4621-3957

		=20


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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D623222122-23022006><FONT =
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tagged=20
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Sajassi=20
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Ethernet PW=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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possible to=20
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PEs per=20
  VSI or is there never a need for this case? =
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  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February 23, =
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2006 1:53=20
    PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
    l2vpn@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:=20
    supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on =
the same=20
    PE</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT =
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case where=20
    you need both these types of PWs to the same peer simultaneously for =
the=20
    same VSI? If so, when would this scenario =
arise?</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT=20
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by=20
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(per=20
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT =
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
    size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original Message =
----- From: "Tao=20
    Gu" &lt;gu at centecnetworks.com&gt;</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">To: &lt;l2vpn at =
ietf.org&gt;</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11=20
    AM</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Subject: supporting =
both=20
    Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the same VSI on the same=20
    PE</FONT></TT></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi =
folks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">According to section 8 in =
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><TT><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
    size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A VPLS MAY have both =
Ethernet and=20
    Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if a PE is not able to support both PWs=20
    simultaneously, it SHOULD send a Label Release on the PW messages =
that it=20
    cannot support with a status code "Unknown FEC" as given in=20
    [RFC3036].</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE =
(say PE1)=20
    can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect =
to PE2=20
    while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm =
this?=20
    </FONT></TT></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>
<BR>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Tao,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This is correct as long as peer =
PEs support the corresponding PW types.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Marc<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>
<BR>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks a lot in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best =
regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Tao =
Gu<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
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10pt">--<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Tao =
Gu<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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<BR>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Centec Networks =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
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-Ali


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	From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:36 PM
	To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE
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	But in such a case how would one decide the PW type between the
PEs for this VSI?=20

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	Thanks,

	Asheesh

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	From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:25 PM
	To: Asheesh Jadav; l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE

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	VPLS instance is defined as a single broadcast domain (e.g.,
analogous to a VLAN in IEEE 802.1ad). So, you can have a mix of tagged
and untagged frames within a VSI but that would imply that all those
tagged and untagged frames share the same broadcast domain which further
imply they need to have a unique MAC addresses across them (no
overlapping of MAC addresses are allowed in this case).

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	-Ali

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		From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
		Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:18 PM
		To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); l2vpn@ietf.org
		Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet
VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same PE

		So is it possible to have a mix-and-match of VLAN tagged
and untagged services on a pair of PEs per VSI or is there never a need
for this case?=20

		=20

		=20

		Thanks,

		Asheesh

	=09
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		From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]=20
		Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:59 PM
		To: Asheesh Jadav; l2vpn@ietf.org
		Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet
VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same PE

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			From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
			Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:53 PM
			To: l2vpn@ietf.org
			Subject: Re: supporting both Ethernet PW and
Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same PE

			Hi,

			  Can there also be a case where you need both
these types of PWs to the same peer simultaneously for the same VSI? If
so, when would this scenario arise?
			[AS] No, by definition, there is only one PW per
pair of PEs per VPLS instance (per VSI/PE).

			-Ali=20

			TIA,

			Asheesh

			=20

			----- Original Message ----- From: "Tao Gu" <gu
at centecnetworks.com>
			To: <l2vpn at ietf.org>
			Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 AM
			Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and
Ethernet VLAN PW on the same VSI on the same PE

			Hi folks,

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			According to section 8 in
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,

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			A VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN
PWs. However, if a PE is not able to support both PWs simultaneously, it
SHOULD send a Label Release on the PW messages that it cannot support
with a status code "Unknown FEC" as given in [RFC3036].
			My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE
(say PE1) can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to
connect to PE2 while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can
anyone confirm this?=20

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			Tao,

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			This is correct as long as peer PEs support the
corresponding PW types.

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			Marc

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			Thanks a lot in advance.

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			Best regards,

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			Tao Gu

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			--
			Tao Gu

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			Centec Networks Inc.
			www.centecnetworks.com

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			tgu at centecnetworks.com
			Tel (0512) 62885358 ext 815
			Fax (0512) 62885870
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    PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Ali =
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      l2vpn@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
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      Re: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the =
sameVSI on the=20
      same PE</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT=20
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      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></TT></P>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><TT><FONT=20
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10pt">&nbsp; Can there=20
      also be a case where you need both these types of PWs to the same =
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      arise?</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =

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      color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
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      centecnetworks.com&gt;</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New"=20
      size=3D2><SPAN=20
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New'"><BR><TT><FONT=20
      face=3D"Courier New">To: &lt;l2vpn at =
ietf.org&gt;</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT=20
      face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11=20
      AM</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Subject: =
supporting both=20
      Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the same VSI on the same=20
      PE</FONT></TT></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi =
folks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =

      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">According to section 8 in =
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =

      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><TT><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
      size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A VPLS MAY have both =
Ethernet and=20
      Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if a PE is not able to support both =
PWs=20
      simultaneously, it SHOULD send a Label Release on the PW messages =
that it=20
      cannot support with a status code "Unknown FEC" as given in=20
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(say PE1)=20
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connect to PE2=20
      while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone =
confirm this?=20
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      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This is correct as long as peer =
PEs support the corresponding PW types.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
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      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks a lot in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE>
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      style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
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But in such a case how would one decide the PW type between the PEs for
this VSI?=20

=20

Thanks,

Asheesh

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From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:25 PM
To: Asheesh Jadav; l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the
sameVSI on the same PE

=20

=20

VPLS instance is defined as a single broadcast domain (e.g., analogous
to a VLAN in IEEE 802.1ad). So, you can have a mix of tagged and
untagged frames within a VSI but that would imply that all those tagged
and untagged frames share the same broadcast domain which further imply
they need to have a unique MAC addresses across them (no overlapping of
MAC addresses are allowed in this case).

=20

-Ali

	=20

=09
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	From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:18 PM
	To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE

	So is it possible to have a mix-and-match of VLAN tagged and
untagged services on a pair of PEs per VSI or is there never a need for
this case?=20

	=20

	=20

	Thanks,

	Asheesh

=09
________________________________


	From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:59 PM
	To: Asheesh Jadav; l2vpn@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on
the sameVSI on the same PE

	=20

	=20

		=20

	=09
________________________________


		From: Asheesh Jadav [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com]=20
		Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:53 PM
		To: l2vpn@ietf.org
		Subject: Re: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet
VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same PE

		Hi,

		  Can there also be a case where you need both these
types of PWs to the same peer simultaneously for the same VSI? If so,
when would this scenario arise?
		[AS] No, by definition, there is only one PW per pair of
PEs per VPLS instance (per VSI/PE).

		-Ali=20

		TIA,

		Asheesh

		=20

		----- Original Message ----- From: "Tao Gu" <gu at
centecnetworks.com>
		To: <l2vpn at ietf.org>
		Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 AM
		Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN
PW on the same VSI on the same PE

		Hi folks,

		=20

		According to section 8 in
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,

	=09
		A VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs.
However, if a PE is not able to support both PWs simultaneously, it
SHOULD send a Label Release on the PW messages that it cannot support
with a status code "Unknown FEC" as given in [RFC3036].
		My understanding is that a VSI on the same PE (say PE1)
can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect to
PE2 while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm
this?=20

	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
		=20
		Tao,

		=20

		This is correct as long as peer PEs support the
corresponding PW types.

		=20

		Marc

		=20

	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
		=20
		Thanks a lot in advance.

		=20

		Best regards,

		=20

		Tao Gu

		=20

		--
		Tao Gu

		=20

	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
	=09
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	=09
		=20
		Centec Networks Inc.
		www.centecnetworks.com

		=20

		tgu at centecnetworks.com
		Tel (0512) 62885358 ext 815
		Fax (0512) 62885870
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Sajassi
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
2:25 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
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 Jadav</st1:PersonName>; l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: supporting =
both
Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same =
PE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
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can have
a mix of tagged and untagged frames within a VSI but that would imply =
that all
those tagged and untagged frames share the same broadcast =
domain&nbsp;which
further imply they need to have a unique MAC addresses across them (no
overlapping of MAC addresses are allowed in this =
case).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Asheesh Jadav</st1:PersonName> [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com] =
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
2:18 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ali Sajassi =
(sajassi);
l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: supporting =
both
Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same =
PE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So is it possible to have a =
mix-and-match
of VLAN tagged and untagged services on a pair of PEs per VSI or is =
there never
a need for this case? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Asheesh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Ali =
Sajassi
(sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
1:59 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
tabIndex=3D"0"
style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: =
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
w:st=3D"on">Asheesh Jadav</st1:PersonName>; l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: supporting =
both
Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same =
PE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
tabIndex=3D"0"
style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: =
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
w:st=3D"on">Asheesh Jadav</st1:PersonName> [mailto:asheeshj@wwp.com] =
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
1:53 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: supporting =
both
Ethernet PW and Ethernet VLAN PW on the sameVSI on the same =
PE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp; Can there =
also be a
case where you need both these types of PWs to the same peer =
simultaneously for
the same VSI? If so, when would this scenario =
arise?</span></font></tt><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>[AS] No, by definition, there is =
only one
PW per pair of PEs per VPLS instance (per =
VSI/PE).</span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-Ali&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Asheesh<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></tt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original =
Message -----
From: &quot;Tao Gu&quot; &lt;gu at =
centecnetworks.com&gt;</span></font></tt><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">To: &lt;l2vpn at =
ietf.org&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:11 =
AM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Subject: supporting both Ethernet PW and =
Ethernet
VLAN PW on the same VSI on the same =
PE</font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>According to section 8 in =
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-08.txt,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>A
VPLS MAY have both Ethernet and Ethernet VLAN PWs. However, if a PE is =
not able
to support both PWs simultaneously, it SHOULD send a Label Release on =
the PW
messages that it cannot support with a status code &quot;Unknown =
FEC&quot; as
given in [RFC3036].</span></font></tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">My understanding is that a VSI on the =
same PE (say
PE1) can support both types of PWs, i.e., using a Ethernet PW to connect =
to PE2
while using a Ethernet VLAN PW to connect to PE3. Can anyone confirm =
this? </font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><fon=
t
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tao,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>This is correct as long as peer PEs support =
the corresponding PW types.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Marc<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><fon=
t
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks a =
lot in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tao Gu<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tao =
Gu<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><fon=
t
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Centec =
Networks Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>www.centecnetworks.com<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></pre>

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<pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>tgu at =
centecnetworks.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tel =
(0512) 62885358 ext 815<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Fax =
(0512) 62885870<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cell =
136-4621-3957<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

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