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From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com>
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: EVPN: ES-Import and RT-Constrain
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Just like a route-target, the ES-Import Extended Community is used
to filter the routes that contain them. As such, they should be
able to take advantage of RT-Constrain (rfc4684).

The RT-Constrain NLRI needs no modification. All that is needed
is for an RT-Constrain implementation to add the ES-Import
as a filter criteria. A sentence in the EVPN draft as follows
should ensure that:

A BGP speaker that includes both the (AFI, SAFI) of RT-Constrain (rfc4684)
as well as of EVPN in the capabilitiy advertisement MUST apply
the RT-Constrain procedures to any ES-import extended community
it receives in the RT-Constrain Route Target Membership NLRI.

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<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
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mmunity is used</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">to filter the routes that contain them. As such, th=
ey should be</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
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<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">The RT-Constrain NLRI needs no modification. All&nb=
sp;that is needed</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">is for an RT-Constrain implementation to add the ES=
-Import</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">as a filter criteria. A sentence in the EVPN draft =
as follows</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">should ensure that:</span></font></div>
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p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">A BGP speaker that includes both the (AFI, SAFI) of=
 RT-Constrain (rfc4684)</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">as well as of EVPN in the&nbsp;capabilitiy advertis=
ement MUST apply</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">the RT-Constrain procedures to any ES-import extend=
ed community</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">it receives in the RT-Constrain Route Target Member=
ship NLRI.</font></span></div>
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ace=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">--</font></span>
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I'm not aware of any other IPRs.



Regrads,

Yuji


From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bitar, Nabil N
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Subject: Polling for IPR on the VPLS multicast draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-mcast-12

Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-mcast-12.txt, multicast in VPLS, in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft can be found at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-mcast-12

This poll closes on Monday December 3, 2012.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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Hi L2VPN WG I support moving the draft forward.  I am author of the draft. =
In the WG adoption polling last year (29 Sep 2011 - 13 Oct 2011)=2C there w=
ere sixteen responses on the mailing list and all are Yes.  Three of the si=
xteen responses were from authors. As far as I can remember=2C there have b=
een no significant changes after the draft was adopted.00 --> 01: Add secti=
on 5.4 "External Network Network Interface"=2C following MEF published MEF =
26.101 --> 02: Refer to "L2VPN" instead of "VPLS"=2C in response to WG Chai=
rs' comment02 --> 03: Refer to "Multipoint L2VPN" instead of "L2VPN"=2C in =
response to Ali's comment Thanks=2CRaymond Key From: nabil.n.bitar@verizon.=
com
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Date: Fri=2C 30 Nov 2012 11:02:02 -0500
Subject: [l2vpn]  WG last call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03 - extende=
d	call
CC: giheron@cisco.com


Hi=2CThe WG last call passed without any feedback. We would like the workin=
g group to take another look at this because it will be hard to gage suppor=
t for a draft or move it forward without feedback. Thus=2C we decided to gi=
ve it another try.. We are issuing or extending the  WG Last call for the d=
raft   =93Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN=94 which can be foun=
d at  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03
Please=2C review the draft and send any comments to the L2VPN working group=
 email list.  Please=2C indicate if you support moving the draft forward.Yo=
u are encouraged to send extensive comments as you see fit.
The extended Working group last call will close on Friday December 7=2C 201=
2.
Thanks=2CNabil & Giles




From:  <Bitar>=2C Nabil Bitar <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
Date:  Friday=2C November 2=2C 2012 7:43 AM
To:  "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
Cc:  Giles Heron <giheron@cisco.com>
Subject:  [l2vpn]  WG last call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03


[l2vpn]  WG last call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-macflush-ld-01Hi=2C
This is the start of a two-week working group last call on the draft
=93Requirements for MEF E-Tree
 Support in L2VPN=94.  The draft can be found at  http://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03

Please=2C review the draft and send any comments to the L2VPN working group=
 email list. You are encouraged to send extensive comments as you see fit.


This WG last call will close on Friday November 16th=2C 2012.

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Regards=2C

Giles & Nabil


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Hi L2VPN WG<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>I support moving the draft forward.&nbsp=3B I am=
&nbsp=3Bauthor of the draft.<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>In&nbsp=3Bthe WG&nbsp=3Badoptio=
n polling&nbsp=3Blast year (29 Sep 2011 - 13 Oct 2011)=2C there were sixtee=
n responses on the mailing list and all are&nbsp=3BYes.&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3BThre=
e of the sixteen responses&nbsp=3Bwere from&nbsp=3Bauthors.<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>=
As far as I can remember=2C&nbsp=3Bthere have been no significant changes a=
fter the draft was adopted.<BR>00 --&gt=3B 01: Add section 5.4 "External Ne=
twork Network Interface"=2C following MEF published MEF 26.1<BR>01 --&gt=3B=
 02: Refer to "L2VPN" instead of "VPLS"=2C in response to WG Chairs' commen=
t<BR>02 --&gt=3B 03: Refer to "Multipoint L2VPN" instead of "L2VPN"=2C in r=
esponse to Ali's comment<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>Thanks=2C<BR>Raymond Key<BR>&nbsp=
=3B<BR><div><div id=3D"SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">F=
rom: nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<br>To: l2vpn@ietf.org<br>Date: Fri=2C 30 Nov=
 2012 11:02:02 -0500<br>Subject: [l2vpn]  WG last call for draft-ietf-l2vpn=
-etree-reqt-03 - extended	call<br>CC: giheron@cisco.com<br><br>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B">Hi=
=2C</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14p=
x=3B">The WG last call passed without any feedback. We would like the worki=
ng group to take another look at this because it will be hard to gage suppo=
rt for a draft or move it forward without feedback.&nbsp=3B</div><div style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B">Thus=2C we de=
cided to give it another try.. We are issuing or extending the &nbsp=3BWG L=
ast call for the draft &nbsp=3B<font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri=2Csan=
s-serif">&nbsp=3B</font><span style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxAppl=
e-style-span">=93</span></font><font style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"=
ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"line-height: 0=
px=3B white-space: pre=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Requirements for M=
EF E-Tree</span></font></div><font style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-se=
rif=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"line-height: 0px=3B white-space: pre=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">=
 Support in L2VPN</span><span style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxAppl=
e-style-span">=94 which</span></font><span style=3D'font-family: "Times New=
 Roman"=3B font-size: 16px=3B' class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">&nbsp=3Bcan be=
 found at &nbsp=3B<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-03" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-03</a></span><div><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Ti=
mes New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-s=
pan"><br></span></font></div><div><span style=3D'font-family: "Times New Ro=
man"=3B font-size: 16px=3B' class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Please=2C review =
the draft and send any comments to the L2VPN working group email list.&nbsp=
=3B</span><span style=3D'font-family: "Times New Roman"=3B font-size: 16px=
=3B' class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">&nbsp=3BPlease=2C indicate if you suppor=
t moving the draft forward.</span></div><div><span style=3D'font-family: "T=
imes New Roman"=3B font-size: 16px=3B' class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">You ar=
e encouraged to send extensive comments as you see fit.</span></div><div><f=
ont class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><br></span></font></div><d=
iv><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">The extended Working =
group last call will close on Friday December 7=2C 2012.</span></font></div=
><div><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><br></span></font>=
</div><div><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Thanks=2C</sp=
an></font></div><div><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Nab=
il &amp=3B Giles</span></font></div><div><span style=3D'font-family: "Times=
 New Roman"=3B font-size: 16px=3B' class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><br></span=
></div><div><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New Roman"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><br></span><=
/font></div><div><div><font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Times New=
 Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><b=
r></span></font></div><div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=
=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C san=
s-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><br></div><span style=3D"font-family: Calibr=
i=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B" id=3D"ecxOLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div =
style=3D"border-width: 1pt medium medium=3B border-style: solid none none=
=3B border-color: rgb(181=2C 196=2C 223) currentColor currentColor=3B paddi=
ng: 3pt 0in 0in=3B text-align: left=3B color: black=3B font-family: Calibri=
=3B font-size: 11pt=3B"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=3B">From: </span> =
&lt=3BBitar&gt=3B=2C Nabil Bitar &lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@veri=
zon.com">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com</a>&gt=3B<br><span style=3D"font-weight:=
 bold=3B">Date: </span> Friday=2C November 2=2C 2012 7:43 AM<br><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold=3B">To: </span> "<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2=
vpn@ietf.org</a>" &lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a=
>&gt=3B<br><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=3B">Cc: </span> Giles Heron &lt=
=3B<a href=3D"mailto:giheron@cisco.com">giheron@cisco.com</a>&gt=3B<br><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight: bold=3B">Subject: </span> [l2vpn]  WG last call for=
 draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"=
color: rgb(0=2C 0=2C 0)=3B word-wrap: break-word=3B"><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><br></div><span id=3D"ecx=
OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><title>[l2vpn] &nbsp=3BWG last call for draft-ie=
tf-l2vpn-vpls-macflush-ld-01</title><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><fo=
nt style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Calib=
ri=2Csans-serif">Hi=2C</font><br><font style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B" class=
=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-serif">This is the start of=
 a two-week working group last call on the draft
</font><span style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">=93=
</span></font><font style=3D"font-size: 16px=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-sp=
an" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"line-height: 0px=3B white-space=
: pre=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Requirements for MEF E-Tree
 Support in L2VPN</span>=94</font><span style=3D'font-family: "Times New Ro=
man"=3B font-size: 16px=3B' class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">. &nbsp=3BThe dra=
ft can be found at &nbsp=3B<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie=
tf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03</a><font color=3D"#0000ff"><u></u></font></span></di=
v><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><=
font face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B"><br>
Please=2C review the draft and send any comments to the L2VPN working group=
 email list. You are encouraged to send extensive comments as you see fit.<=
br><br>
This WG last call will close on Friday November 16th=2C 2012.<br>
&nbsp=3B<br>
Regards=2C<br>
Giles &amp=3B Nabil<br></span></font><font face=3D"Calibri=2CVerdana=2CHelv=
etica=2CArial"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt=3B"><br><br></span></font></d=
iv></div></span></div></div></span></div></div></div> 		 	   		  </div></bo=
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Is this wrong or a good idea?
Is there a better way for ES-Import to take advantage of RT-Constrain?
Should this be a question to IDR?

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From: Jakob Heitz
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:42 PM
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: EVPN: ES-Import and RT-Constrain

Just like a route-target, the ES-Import Extended Community is used
to filter the routes that contain them. As such, they should be
able to take advantage of RT-Constrain (rfc4684).

The RT-Constrain NLRI needs no modification. All that is needed
is for an RT-Constrain implementation to add the ES-Import
as a filter criteria. A sentence in the EVPN draft as follows
should ensure that:

A BGP speaker that includes both the (AFI, SAFI) of RT-Constrain (rfc4684)
as well as of EVPN in the capabilitiy advertisement MUST apply
the RT-Constrain procedures to any ES-import extended community
it receives in the RT-Constrain Route Target Membership NLRI.

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<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> Jakob Heitz <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> EVPN: ES-Import and RT-Constrain<br>
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<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">Just like a route-target, the ES-Import Extended Co=
mmunity is used</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">to filter the routes that contain them. As such, th=
ey should be</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">able to take advantage of RT-Constrain (rfc4684).</=
span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
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<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">The RT-Constrain NLRI needs no modification. All&nb=
sp;that is needed</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">is for an RT-Constrain implementation to add the ES=
-Import</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">as a filter criteria. A sentence in the EVPN draft =
as follows</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">should ensure that:</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"></font>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">A BGP speaker that includes both the (AFI, SAFI) of=
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<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">as well as of EVPN in the&nbsp;capabilitiy advertis=
ement MUST apply</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">the RT-Constrain procedures to any ES-import extend=
ed community</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">it receives in the RT-Constrain Route Target Member=
ship NLRI.</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"></span>&nbsp;</div>
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Hi Ali, Jakob,

Here is one comment about scenario 2:

2.       If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) mes=
sage from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing,=
 PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In wh=
ich case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic =
toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.
When PE2 receives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, =
will it treat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not beco=
me the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment and =
the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?

Regards,
Jie

From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A=
li Sajassi (sajassi)
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM
To: Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


Let me summarize the operation as follow:


  1.  if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement from on=
ly one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon rece=
iving withdraw message for this MAC1,  PE3 will flood subsequent traffic to=
ward MAC1. This covers the scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.
  2.  If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) messag=
e from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, PE=
3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which=
 case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic tow=
ard MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.

More comments in line ...

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC=
1. This is by no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise MAC=
1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?

Ali> yes, PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward M=
AC1 till it learns it from PE2.

Perhaps PE1 could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraw=
s the Ethernet A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.

Ali> No need to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cau=
se PE3 to remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1. =
If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before  MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then there i=
s no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till PE3 lea=
rns MAC1 from PE2.

Cheers,
Ali

I propose:

If a PE has advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route=
 covered by that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws the =
Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.

If a first PE has received an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route covered by=
 that Ethernet A-D route from a second PE and has an alias for that MAC rou=
te from a third PE and subsequently receives a withdrawal of the Ethernet A=
-D route from the second PE, then the first PE shall immediately delete its=
 MAC route to the second PE and start an aging timer to delete its alias.

--
Jakob Heitz.


On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<ma=
ilto:sajassi@cisco.com>> wrote:

Good question! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:


  1.  there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port failure)
  2.  MAC1 ages out on PE1
In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for =
MAC1 to PE2.
In case of (2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In=
 this case, MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.

I think we can elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


   Consider a CE (CE1) that is dual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a

   LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC address MAC1 on

   VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE2 advertise a Ethe=
rnet A-D

   route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D route per EVI for

   <ESI1, VLAN1>. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 as reachable

   via both PE1 and PE2.

Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its advertisement of MAC1.
Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as reachable via PE2?
I would think not, but it's not stated in the draft.

--
Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2901


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Ali, Ja=
kob,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Here is on=
e comment about scenario 2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If t=
he remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) message from PE1=
 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing,
 PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In wh=
ich case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic =
toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">When PE2 r=
eceives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, will it tr=
eat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not
 become the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment=
 and the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Jie<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org=
]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ali Sajassi (sajassi)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Let me summa=
rize the operation as follow:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1=
 advertisement from only one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., fro=
m PE1), then upon receiving withdraw message for this MAC1,
 &nbsp;PE3 will flood subsequent traffic toward MAC1. This covers the scena=
rio in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD =
(mass withdraw) message from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then b=
ecause of aliasing, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it
 receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from=
 its table and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port f=
ailure scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">More comment=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
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</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.h=
eitz@ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In case of (=
1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC1. This is b=
y no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise
 MAC1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali&gt; yes,=
 PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1 till =
it learns it from PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Perhaps PE1 =
could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraws the Ethern=
et A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali&gt; No n=
eed to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cause PE3 to=
 remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1.
 If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before &nbsp;MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then t=
here is no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till P=
E3 learns MAC1 from PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I propose:<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If a PE has =
advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route covered by =
that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws
 the Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If a first P=
E has received&nbsp;<span class=3D"apple-style-span">an Ethernet A-D route =
and a MAC route covered by that Ethernet A-D route from a second
 PE and has an alias for that MAC route from a third PE and subsequently re=
ceives a withdrawal of the&nbsp;Ethernet A-D route from the second PE, then=
 the first PE shall immediately delete its MAC route to the second PE and s=
tart an aging timer to delete its alias.</span><br>
<br>
-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:black"><br>
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Good questio=
n! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a=
 link or port failure)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">MAC1 ages out on PE1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol=
>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In case of (=
1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for MAC1 to PE2.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In case of (=
2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In this case, =
MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I think we c=
an elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.h=
eitz@ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always;orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-si=
ze-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider a CE (CE1) that is d=
ual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC a=
ddress MAC1 on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE=
2 advertise a Ethernet A-D<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D rout=
e per EVI for<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;ESI1, VLAN1&gt;. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 a=
s reachable<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; via both PE1 and PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Lucida Console&quot;;color:purple">Now, suppose PE1 withdraws =
its advertisement of MAC1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10=
.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Lucida Console&quot;;color:purple">Does PE3 still consider MAC=
1 as reachable via PE2?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Lucida Console&quot;;color:purple">I would think not, but it's=
 not stated in the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.=
5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">--</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2=
901</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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I understand the same.
Hopefully, PE2 would also receive the the withdrawal of the Ethernet Segmen=
t route
from PE1 in a timely manner and recalculate the DF.

--
Jakob Heitz.

________________________________
From: Jie Dong [mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

Hi Ali, Jakob,

Here is one comment about scenario 2:

2.       If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) mes=
sage from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing,=
 PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In wh=
ich case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic =
toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.
When PE2 receives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, =
will it treat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not beco=
me the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment and =
the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?

Regards,
Jie

From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A=
li Sajassi (sajassi)
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM
To: Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


Let me summarize the operation as follow:


  1.  if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement from on=
ly one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon rece=
iving withdraw message for this MAC1,  PE3 will flood subsequent traffic to=
ward MAC1. This covers the scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.
  2.  If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) messag=
e from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, PE=
3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which=
 case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic tow=
ard MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.

More comments in line ...

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC=
1. This is by no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise MAC=
1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?

Ali> yes, PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward M=
AC1 till it learns it from PE2.

Perhaps PE1 could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraw=
s the Ethernet A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.

Ali> No need to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cau=
se PE3 to remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1. =
If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before  MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then there i=
s no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till PE3 lea=
rns MAC1 from PE2.

Cheers,
Ali

I propose:

If a PE has advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route=
 covered by that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws the =
Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.

If a first PE has received an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route covered by=
 that Ethernet A-D route from a second PE and has an alias for that MAC rou=
te from a third PE and subsequently receives a withdrawal of the Ethernet A=
-D route from the second PE, then the first PE shall immediately delete its=
 MAC route to the second PE and start an aging timer to delete its alias.

--
Jakob Heitz.


On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<ma=
ilto:sajassi@cisco.com>> wrote:

Good question! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:


  1.  there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port failure)
  2.  MAC1 ages out on PE1
In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for =
MAC1 to PE2.
In case of (2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In=
 this case, MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.

I think we can elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


   Consider a CE (CE1) that is dual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a

   LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC address MAC1 on

   VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE2 advertise a Ethe=
rnet A-D

   route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D route per EVI for

   <ESI1, VLAN1>. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 as reachable

   via both PE1 and PE2.

Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its advertisement of MAC1.
Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as reachable via PE2?
I would think not, but it's not stated in the draft.

--
Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2901


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<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"200243803-06122012"><font fa=
ce=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">I understand the same.</=
font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"200243803-06122012"><font fa=
ce=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">Hopefully, PE2 would als=
o receive the the withdrawal of the Ethernet Segment route</font></span></d=
iv>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Lucida Console"><font size=3D=
"2"><font color=3D"#800080"><span class=3D"200243803-06122012">from PE1
</span><span class=3D"200243803-06122012">in&nbsp;a timely manner and recal=
culate the DF.</span></font></font></font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Arial" s=
ize=3D"2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Arial" s=
ize=3D"2">--</font></span>
<br>
<span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Jakob Heitz.</font></s=
pan></div>
<br>
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDE=
R-LEFT: #800080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" lang=3D"en-us" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"lef=
t">
<hr tabindex=3D"-1">
<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> Jie Dong [mailto:jie.dong@hua=
wei.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ali Sajassi (sajassi); Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<br>
</font><br>
</div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi Ali, Jakob,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Here is one comment about=
 scenario 2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18p=
t; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 leve=
l1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR=
: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><span style=3D"mso-list: Igno=
re">2.<span style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.=
5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If the remote PE (e=
.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) message from PE1 first (before =
MAC1 route withdraw), then because of
 aliasing, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from =
PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts floodin=
g traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">When PE2 receives the tra=
ffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, will it treat the traffic=
 as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2
 may not become the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the=
 segment and the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
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dium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt =
solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<div>
<div style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b=
5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: mediu=
m none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FO=
NT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> l2vpn-bounces@ie=
tf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ali Sajassi (sajassi)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Let me summarize the operat=
ion as follow:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<ol type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sa=
ns-serif'">if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement fr=
om only one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon=
 receiving withdraw message for this
 MAC1, &nbsp;PE3 will flood subsequent traffic toward MAC1. This covers the=
 scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.<o:p></o:p></span>
</li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: aut=
o; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sa=
ns-serif'">If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) m=
essage from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasin=
g, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till
 it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry f=
rom its table and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/por=
t failure scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">More comments in line &#823=
0;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<div style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b=
5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: mediu=
m none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; CO=
LOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande'">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande'">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@er=
icsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In case of (1), PE2 will ad=
vertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC1. This is by no means assu=
red. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise
 MAC1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ali&gt; yes, PE3 consider M=
AC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1 till it learns it fr=
om PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Perhaps PE1 could delay its=
 withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraws the Ethernet A-D. That co=
uld trigger an aging timer on PE3 for
 the alias.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ali&gt; No need to delay th=
e withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cause PE3 to remove aliasin=
g and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2
 for MAC1. If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before &nbsp;MAC1 is withdrawn by P=
E1, then there is no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flood=
ing till PE3 learns MAC1 from PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ali<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I propose:<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If a PE has advertised an E=
thernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route covered by that Ethernet A=
-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws
 the Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If a first PE has received&=
nbsp;<span class=3D"apple-style-span">an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route=
 covered by that Ethernet A-D route from a second
 PE and has an alias for that MAC route from a third PE and subsequently re=
ceives a withdrawal of the&nbsp;Ethernet A-D route from the second PE, then=
 the first PE shall immediately delete its MAC route to the second PE and s=
tart an aging timer to delete its alias.</span><br>
<br>
-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jakob Heitz.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif=
'"><br>
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Good question! The reason t=
hat PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<ol type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sa=
ns-serif'">there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port fai=
lure)<o:p></o:p></span>
</li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: aut=
o; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sa=
ns-serif'">MAC1 ages out on PE1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In case of (1), PE2 will ad=
vertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for MAC1 to PE2.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In case of (2), PE1 withdra=
ws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In this case, MAC1 is not rea=
chable via either PE1 or PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I think we can elaborate th=
is on the next rev. of the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ali<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<div style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b=
5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: mediu=
m none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; CO=
LOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande'">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande'">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@er=
icsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE: always; WORD-SPACING: 0px; orphans: 2; wid=
ows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider a CE (CE1) t=
hat is dual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE: always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"COLO=
R: black">&nbsp;&nbsp; LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC=
 address MAC1 on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE: always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"COLO=
R: black">&nbsp;&nbsp; VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and =
PE2 advertise a Ethernet A-D<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE: always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"COLO=
R: black">&nbsp;&nbsp; route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D ro=
ute per EVI for<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE: always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"COLO=
R: black">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;ESI1, VLAN1&gt;. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1=
 as reachable<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE: always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"COLO=
R: black">&nbsp;&nbsp; via both PE1 and PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR=
: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its adv=
ertisement of MAC1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; =
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR=
: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as re=
achable via PE2?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COL=
OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR=
: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">I would think not, but it's not st=
ated in the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; C=
OLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY=
: 'Arial','sans-serif'">--</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2901</span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calib=
ri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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OR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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Hi,

Here are some comments about the extended communities in EVPN draft.


1.       The EVPN draft defines 4 new extended communities, all of which ar=
e defined as transitive extended communities. But I noticed that in ESI MPL=
S Label Extended Community, ES-Import Extended Community and MAC Mobility E=
xtended Community, the high-order octet of the Type field is 0x44, which me=
ans non-transitive. Besides, according to IANA's registry, the type code 0x=
44 has been assigned to "QoS Marking" which is a regular non-transitive ext=
ended community, thus it cannot be reused as the high-order octet of an ext=
ended type.

Thus I would propose to change the type value 0x44 in evpn draft to TBA.


2.       In section 8.8,
"The value of the second octet (Sub-Type) is 0x030d (Default Gateway) as de=
fined by IANA."

should be

"The value of the second octet (Sub-Type) is 0x0d as defined by IANA."


Best regards,
Jie


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Here are some comments about th=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">The EVPN draft defines =
4 new extended communities, all of which are defined as transitive extended=
 communities. But I noticed that in ESI MPLS Label Extended Community, ES-I=
mport Extended Community and MAC Mobility
 Extended Community, the high-order octet of the Type field is 0x44, which =
means non-transitive. Besides, according to IANA&#8217;s registry, the type=
 code 0x44 has been assigned to &#8220;QoS Marking&#8221; which is a regula=
r non-transitive extended community, thus it cannot
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thus I would propose to change =
the type value 0x44 in evpn draft to TBA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:10.5pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">should be <o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:10.5pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#=
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8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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PE2 can receive both unicast traffic as well as flooded traffic for MAC1. I=
f it receives unicast packets for MAC1 (via unicast LSP), then it simply fo=
rwards them to its segment. However, if it receives flooded traffic for MAC=
1 (via mcast LSP) and it is not DF for it, then it drops them.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, Jakob Hei=
tz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

Hi Ali, Jakob,

Here is one comment about scenario 2:

2.       If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) mes=
sage from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing,=
 PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In wh=
ich case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic =
toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.
When PE2 receives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, =
will it treat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not beco=
me the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment and =
the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?

Regards,
Jie

From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:l2vpn-b=
ounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM
To: Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


Let me summarize the operation as follow:


  1.  if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement from on=
ly one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon rece=
iving withdraw message for this MAC1,  PE3 will flood subsequent traffic to=
ward MAC1. This covers the scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.
  2.  If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) messag=
e from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, PE=
3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which=
 case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic tow=
ard MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.

More comments in line =85

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC=
1. This is by no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise MAC=
1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?

Ali> yes, PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward M=
AC1 till it learns it from PE2.

Perhaps PE1 could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraw=
s the Ethernet A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.

Ali> No need to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cau=
se PE3 to remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1. =
If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before  MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then there i=
s no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till PE3 lea=
rns MAC1 from PE2.

Cheers,
Ali

I propose:

If a PE has advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route=
 covered by that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws the =
Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.

If a first PE has received an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route covered by=
 that Ethernet A-D route from a second PE and has an alias for that MAC rou=
te from a third PE and subsequently receives a withdrawal of the Ethernet A=
-D route from the second PE, then the first PE shall immediately delete its=
 MAC route to the second PE and start an aging timer to delete its alias.

--
Jakob Heitz.


On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<ma=
ilto:sajassi@cisco.com>> wrote:

Good question! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:


  1.  there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port failure)
  2.  MAC1 ages out on PE1
In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for =
MAC1 to PE2.
In case of (2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In=
 this case, MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.

I think we can elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


   Consider a CE (CE1) that is dual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a

   LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC address MAC1 on

   VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE2 advertise a Ethe=
rnet A-D

   route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D route per EVI for

   <ESI1, VLAN1>. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 as reachable

   via both PE1 and PE2.

Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its advertisement of MAC1.
Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as reachable via PE2?
I would think not, but it's not stated in the draft.

--
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<div>PE2 can receive both unicast traffic as well as flooded traffic for MA=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi Ali, Jakob,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Here is one comme=
nt about scenario 2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lf=
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span styl=
e=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
 10.5pt; color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If the remote PE=
 (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) message from PE1 first (befo=
re MAC1 route withdraw), then because
 of aliasing, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw fr=
om PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts floo=
ding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">When PE2 receives=
 the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, will it treat the=
 traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since
 PE2 may not become the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to=
 the segment and the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correc=
t?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jie<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo=
nt-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">
<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ali Sajassi (sajassi)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Let me summarize the operati=
on as follow:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement fro=
m only one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon =
receiving withdraw message for this
 MAC1, &nbsp;PE3 will flood subsequent traffic toward MAC1. This covers the=
 scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) me=
ssage from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing=
, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it
 receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from=
 its table and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port f=
ailure scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">More comments in line =85<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@=
ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In case of (1), PE2 will adv=
ertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC1. This is by no means assur=
ed. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise
 MAC1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali&gt; yes, PE3 consider MA=
C1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1 till it learns it fro=
m PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Perhaps PE1 could delay its =
withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraws the Ethernet A-D. That cou=
ld trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the
 alias.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali&gt; No need to delay the=
 withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cause PE3 to remove aliasing=
 and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for
 MAC1. If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before &nbsp;MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, =
then there is no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding =
till PE3 learns MAC1 from PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I propose:<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If a PE has advertised an Et=
hernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route covered by that Ethernet A-=
D route and this PE subsequently withdraws
 the Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If a first PE has received&n=
bsp;<span class=3D"apple-style-span">an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route =
covered by that Ethernet A-D route from a second
 PE and has an alias for that MAC route from a third PE and subsequently re=
ceives a withdrawal of the&nbsp;Ethernet A-D route from the second PE, then=
 the first PE shall immediately delete its MAC route to the second PE and s=
tart an aging timer to delete its alias.</span><br>
<br>
-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jakob Heitz.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
 "><br>
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Good question! The reason th=
at PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port fail=
ure)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">MAC1 ages out on PE1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In case of (1), PE2 will adv=
ertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for MAC1 to PE2.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In case of (2), PE1 withdraw=
s MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In this case, MAC1 is not reac=
hable via either PE1 or PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I think we can elaborate thi=
s on the next rev. of the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@=
ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always;orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-si=
ze-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider a CE (CE1) that is d=
ual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC a=
ddress MAC1 on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE=
2 advertise a Ethernet A-D<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D rout=
e per EVI for<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;ESI1, VLAN1&gt;. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 a=
s reachable<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; via both PE1 and PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color=
: purple; font-family: 'Lucida Console'; ">Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its a=
dvertisement of MAC1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt=
; color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color=
: purple; font-family: 'Lucida Console'; ">Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as =
reachable via PE2?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; c=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color=
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stated in the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;=
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Noted.

Thanks,
Ali

From: Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:42 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Extended communities in EVPN

Hi,

Here are some comments about the extended communities in EVPN draft.


1.       The EVPN draft defines 4 new extended communities, all of which ar=
e defined as transitive extended communities. But I noticed that in ESI MPL=
S Label Extended Community, ES-Import Extended Community and MAC Mobility E=
xtended Community, the high-order octet of the Type field is 0x44, which me=
ans non-transitive. Besides, according to IANA=92s registry, the type code =
0x44 has been assigned to =93QoS Marking=94 which is a regular non-transiti=
ve extended community, thus it cannot be reused as the high-order octet of =
an extended type.

Thus I would propose to change the type value 0x44 in evpn draft to TBA.


2.       In section 8.8,
=93The value of the second octet (Sub-Type) is 0x030d (Default Gateway) as =
defined by IANA.=94

should be

=93The value of the second octet (Sub-Type) is 0x0d as defined by IANA.=94


Best regards,
Jie


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Here are some comments about th=
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US">The EVPN draft defi=
nes 4 new extended communities, all of which are defined as transitive exte=
nded communities. But I noticed that in ESI MPLS Label Extended Community, =
ES-Import Extended Community and MAC
 Mobility Extended Community, the high-order octet of the Type field is 0x4=
4, which means non-transitive. Besides, according to IANA=92s registry, the=
 type code 0x44 has been assigned to =93QoS Marking=94 which is a regular n=
on-transitive extended community, thus
 it cannot be reused as the high-order octet of an extended type. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thus I would propose to change =
the type value 0x44 in evpn draft to TBA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US">In section 8.8, <o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:10.5pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=93The value of the second octet (Sub-Type) is 0x030d (Default Gateway) as =
defined by IANA.=94<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">should be <o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:10.5pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=93The value of the second octet (Sub-Type) is 0x0d as defined by IANA.=94<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Yes, that's the basic idea but it should be vetted in IDR.

Cheers,
Ali
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From: Jakob Heitz
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Subject: EVPN: ES-Import and RT-Constrain

Just like a route-target, the ES-Import Extended Community is used
to filter the routes that contain them. As such, they should be
able to take advantage of RT-Constrain (rfc4684).

The RT-Constrain NLRI needs no modification. All that is needed
is for an RT-Constrain implementation to add the ES-Import
as a filter criteria. A sentence in the EVPN draft as follows
should ensure that:

A BGP speaker that includes both the (AFI, SAFI) of RT-Constrain (rfc4684)
as well as of EVPN in the capabilitiy advertisement MUST apply
the RT-Constrain procedures to any ES-import extended community
it receives in the RT-Constrain Route Target Membership NLRI.

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<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> Jakob Heitz <br>
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<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">Just like a route-target, the ES-Import Extended Co=
mmunity is used</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">to filter the routes that contain them. As such, th=
ey should be</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">able to take advantage of RT-Constrain (rfc4684).</=
span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">The RT-Constrain NLRI needs no modification. All&nb=
sp;that is needed</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">is for an RT-Constrain implementation to add the ES=
-Import</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">as a filter criteria. A sentence in the EVPN draft =
as follows</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"><span class=
=3D"098491406-02122012">should ensure that:</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D"#800080" size=3D"2"></font>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">A BGP speaker that includes both the (AFI, SAFI) of=
 RT-Constrain (rfc4684)</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">as well as of EVPN in the&nbsp;capabilitiy advertis=
ement MUST apply</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
=3D"#800080" size=3D"2">the RT-Constrain procedures to any ES-import extend=
ed community</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"098491406-02122012"><font face=3D"Lucida Console" color=
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ship NLRI.</font></span></div>
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Hi Ali,

Thanks for your prompt response. Just want to further confirm my understand=
ing :

If PE2 receives packets for MAC1 via unicast LSP, it can be

1)       the remote PE sends unicast packets to PE2.

2)       the remote PE floods unknown unicast packets using ingress replica=
tion.

Since the flooded traffic with ingress replication would carry the downstre=
am assigned label which PE2 advertised in PMSI Tunnel attribute, PE2 can te=
ll whether the packets are unicast or flooded unknown unicast, and will onl=
y forward the unicast traffic to the segment. The flooded traffic for MAC1 =
using ingress replication will be dropped by PE2 if it is not DF.

Regards,
Jie

From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:25 PM
To: Jie Dong; Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


PE2 can receive both unicast traffic as well as flooded traffic for MAC1. I=
f it receives unicast packets for MAC1 (via unicast LSP), then it simply fo=
rwards them to its segment. However, if it receives flooded traffic for MAC=
1 (via mcast LSP) and it is not DF for it, then it drops them.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, Jakob Hei=
tz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

Hi Ali, Jakob,

Here is one comment about scenario 2:

2.      If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) mess=
age from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, =
PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In whi=
ch case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic t=
oward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.
When PE2 receives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, =
will it treat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not beco=
me the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment and =
the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?

Regards,
Jie

From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:l2vpn-b=
ounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM
To: Jakob Heitz
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Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


Let me summarize the operation as follow:


  1.  if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement from on=
ly one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon rece=
iving withdraw message for this MAC1,  PE3 will flood subsequent traffic to=
ward MAC1. This covers the scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.
  2.  If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) messag=
e from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, PE=
3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which=
 case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic tow=
ard MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.

More comments in line ...

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC=
1. This is by no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise MAC=
1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?

Ali> yes, PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward M=
AC1 till it learns it from PE2.

Perhaps PE1 could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraw=
s the Ethernet A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.

Ali> No need to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cau=
se PE3 to remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1. =
If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before  MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then there i=
s no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till PE3 lea=
rns MAC1 from PE2.

Cheers,
Ali

I propose:

If a PE has advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route=
 covered by that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws the =
Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.

If a first PE has received an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route covered by=
 that Ethernet A-D route from a second PE and has an alias for that MAC rou=
te from a third PE and subsequently receives a withdrawal of the Ethernet A=
-D route from the second PE, then the first PE shall immediately delete its=
 MAC route to the second PE and start an aging timer to delete its alias.

--
Jakob Heitz.


On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<ma=
ilto:sajassi@cisco.com>> wrote:

Good question! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:


  1.  there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port failure)
  2.  MAC1 ages out on PE1
In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for =
MAC1 to PE2.
In case of (2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In=
 this case, MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.

I think we can elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


   Consider a CE (CE1) that is dual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a

   LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC address MAC1 on

   VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE2 advertise a Ethe=
rnet A-D

   route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D route per EVI for

   <ESI1, VLAN1>. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 as reachable

   via both PE1 and PE2.

Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its advertisement of MAC1.
Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as reachable via PE2?
I would think not, but it's not stated in the draft.

--
Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2901


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Ali,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks for=
 your prompt response. Just want to further confirm my understanding :<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If PE2 rec=
eives packets for MAC1 via unicast LSP, it can be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">th=
e remote PE sends unicast packets to PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9">
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mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span style=
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;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">th=
e remote PE floods unknown unicast packets using ingress replication.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Since the =
flooded traffic with ingress replication would carry the downstream assigne=
d label which PE2 advertised in PMSI Tunnel attribute, PE2
 can tell whether the packets are unicast or flooded unknown unicast, and w=
ill only forward the unicast traffic to the segment. The flooded traffic fo=
r MAC1 using ingress replication will be dropped by PE2 if it is not DF.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Jie<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jie Dong; Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">PE2 can rece=
ive both unicast traffic as well as flooded traffic for MAC1. If it receive=
s unicast packets for MAC1 (via unicast LSP), then it simply
 forwards them to its segment. However, if it receives flooded traffic for =
MAC1 (via mcast LSP) and it is not DF for it, then it drops them.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">Jie Dong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jie.dong@h=
uawei.com">jie.dong@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:36 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;, Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.c=
om">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Ali, Ja=
kob,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Here is on=
e comment about scenario 2:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lf=
o2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If t=
he remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) message from PE1=
 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing,
 PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In wh=
ich case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic =
toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.</span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">When PE2 r=
eceives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, will it tr=
eat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not
 become the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment=
 and the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Regards,</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Jie</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">From:</spa=
n></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Taho=
ma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ali Sajassi (sajassi)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Let me summa=
rize the operation as follow:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1=
 advertisement from only one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., fro=
m PE1), then upon receiving withdraw message for this MAC1,
 &nbsp;PE3 will flood subsequent traffic toward MAC1. This covers the scena=
rio in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></=
span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD =
(mass withdraw) message from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then b=
ecause of aliasing, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it
 receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from=
 its table and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port f=
ailure scenario.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">More comment=
s in line &#8230;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.h=
eitz@ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In case of (=
1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC1. This is b=
y no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise
 MAC1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali&gt; yes,=
 PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1 till =
it learns it from PE2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Perhaps PE1 =
could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraws the Ethern=
et A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.</span><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali&gt; No n=
eed to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cause PE3 to=
 remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1.
 If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before &nbsp;MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then t=
here is no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till P=
E3 learns MAC1 from PE2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Cheers,</spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I propose:</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If a PE has =
advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route covered by =
that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws
 the Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If a first P=
E has received&nbsp;<span class=3D"apple-style-span">an Ethernet A-D route =
and a MAC route covered by that Ethernet A-D route from a second
 PE and has an alias for that MAC route from a third PE and subsequently re=
ceives a withdrawal of the&nbsp;Ethernet A-D route from the second PE, then=
 the first PE shall immediately delete its MAC route to the second PE and s=
tart an aging timer to delete its alias.</span><br>
<br>
-- </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz.=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:black"><br>
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Good questio=
n! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a=
 link or port failure)</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><l=
i class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-marg=
in-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">MAC1 ages out on PE1</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In case of (=
1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for MAC1 to PE2.=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In case of (=
2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In this case, =
MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I think we c=
an elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Cheers,</spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Ali</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Lucida Grande&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.h=
eitz@ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>EVPN: withdrawing the alias</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always;orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-si=
ze-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider a CE (CE1) that is d=
ual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC a=
ddress MAC1 on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE=
2 advertise a Ethernet A-D<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D rout=
e per EVI for<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;ESI1, VLAN1&gt;. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 a=
s reachable<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; via both PE1 and PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Lucida Console&quot;;color:purple">Now, suppose PE1 withdraws =
its advertisement of MAC1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Lucida Console&quot;;color:purple">Does PE3 still consider MAC=
1 as reachable via PE2?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Lucida Console&quot;;color:purple">I would think not, but it's=
 not stated in the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">--</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
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al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2=
901</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Exactly!

Cheers
Ali

From: Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 1:18 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, Jakob Hei=
tz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

Hi Ali,

Thanks for your prompt response. Just want to further confirm my understand=
ing :

If PE2 receives packets for MAC1 via unicast LSP, it can be

1)       the remote PE sends unicast packets to PE2.

2)       the remote PE floods unknown unicast packets using ingress replica=
tion.

Since the flooded traffic with ingress replication would carry the downstre=
am assigned label which PE2 advertised in PMSI Tunnel attribute, PE2 can te=
ll whether the packets are unicast or flooded unknown unicast, and will onl=
y forward the unicast traffic to the segment. The flooded traffic for MAC1 =
using ingress replication will be dropped by PE2 if it is not DF.

Regards,
Jie

From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:sajassi@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:25 PM
To: Jie Dong; Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


PE2 can receive both unicast traffic as well as flooded traffic for MAC1. I=
f it receives unicast packets for MAC1 (via unicast LSP), then it simply fo=
rwards them to its segment. However, if it receives flooded traffic for MAC=
1 (via mcast LSP) and it is not DF for it, then it drops them.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, Jakob Hei=
tz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

Hi Ali, Jakob,

Here is one comment about scenario 2:

2.      If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) mess=
age from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, =
PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In whi=
ch case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic t=
oward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.
When PE2 receives the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, =
will it treat the traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since PE2 may not beco=
me the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to the segment and =
the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correct?

Regards,
Jie

From:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:l2vpn-bo=
unces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM
To: Jakob Heitz
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


Let me summarize the operation as follow:


  1.  if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement from on=
ly one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon rece=
iving withdraw message for this MAC1,  PE3 will flood subsequent traffic to=
ward MAC1. This covers the scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.
  2.  If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) messag=
e from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing, PE=
3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which=
 case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts flooding traffic tow=
ard MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.

More comments in line =85

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias

In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC=
1. This is by no means assured. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise MAC=
1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?

Ali> yes, PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward M=
AC1 till it learns it from PE2.

Perhaps PE1 could delay its withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraw=
s the Ethernet A-D. That could trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the alias.

Ali> No need to delay the withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cau=
se PE3 to remove aliasing and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for MAC1. =
If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before  MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, then there i=
s no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding till PE3 lea=
rns MAC1 from PE2.

Cheers,
Ali

I propose:

If a PE has advertised an Ethernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route=
 covered by that Ethernet A-D route and this PE subsequently withdraws the =
Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.

If a first PE has received an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route covered by=
 that Ethernet A-D route from a second PE and has an alias for that MAC rou=
te from a third PE and subsequently receives a withdrawal of the Ethernet A=
-D route from the second PE, then the first PE shall immediately delete its=
 MAC route to the second PE and start an aging timer to delete its alias.

--
Jakob Heitz.


On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<ma=
ilto:sajassi@cisco.com>> wrote:

Good question! The reason that PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:


  1.  there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port failure)
  2.  MAC1 ages out on PE1
In case of (1), PE2 will advertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for =
MAC1 to PE2.
In case of (2), PE1 withdraws MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In=
 this case, MAC1 is not reachable via either PE1 or PE2.

I think we can elaborate this on the next rev. of the draft.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com<mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: EVPN: withdrawing the alias


   Consider a CE (CE1) that is dual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a

   LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC address MAC1 on

   VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE2 advertise a Ethe=
rnet A-D

   route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D route per EVI for

   <ESI1, VLAN1>. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 as reachable

   via both PE1 and PE2.

Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its advertisement of MAC1.
Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as reachable via PE2?
I would think not, but it's not stated in the draft.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi Ali,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks for your p=
rompt response. Just want to further confirm my understanding :<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If PE2 receives p=
ackets for MAC1 via unicast LSP, it can be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span st=
yle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
 10.5pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">the r=
emote PE sends unicast packets to PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span st=
yle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
 10.5pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">the r=
emote PE floods unknown unicast packets using ingress replication.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Since the flooded=
 traffic with ingress replication would carry the downstream assigned label=
 which PE2 advertised in PMSI Tunnel attribute,
 PE2 can tell whether the packets are unicast or flooded unknown unicast, a=
nd will only forward the unicast traffic to the segment. The flooded traffi=
c for MAC1 using ingress replication will be dropped by PE2 if it is not DF=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jie<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo=
nt-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> Ali Sajassi (sajas=
si) [<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">mailto:sajassi@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jie Dong; Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">PE2 can receive both unicast=
 traffic as well as flooded traffic for MAC1. If it receives unicast packet=
s for MAC1 (via unicast LSP), then it
 simply forwards them to its segment. However, if it receives flooded traff=
ic for MAC1 (via mcast LSP) and it is not DF for it, then it drops them.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Jie Dong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jie.dong@huawei=
.com">jie.dong@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:36 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;, Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.c=
om">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: EVPN: withdrawing the alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi Ali, Jakob,</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Here is one comme=
nt about scenario 2:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lf=
o2">
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tyle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
 10.5pt; color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If the remote PE=
 (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) message from PE1 first (befo=
re MAC1 route withdraw), then because
 of aliasing, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it receives MAC1 withdraw fr=
om PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from its table and starts floo=
ding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port failure scenario.</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">When PE2 receives=
 the traffic to MAC1 before it advertises the MAC1 route, will it treat the=
 traffic as unknown unicast? If so, since
 PE2 may not become the DF for the segment, it can not flood the traffic to=
 the segment and the traffic will get dropped. Is this understanding correc=
t?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards,</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jie</span><span l=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, san=
s-serif; "><a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>
 [<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</=
a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ali Sajassi (sajassi)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 3:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakob Heitz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Let me summarize the operati=
on as follow:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">if the remote PE (e.g., PE3) only receives MAC1 advertisement fro=
m only one of the PE in the Multi-homing group (e.g., from PE1), then upon =
receiving withdraw message for this
 MAC1, &nbsp;PE3 will flood subsequent traffic toward MAC1. This covers the=
 scenario in which MAC1 ages out on PE1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></=
o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">If the remote PE (e.g., PE3) receives Ether AD (mass withdraw) me=
ssage from PE1 first (before MAC1 route withdraw), then because of aliasing=
, PE3 forwards traffic to PE2 till it
 receives MAC1 withdraw from PE1. In which case, it removes MAC1 entry from=
 its table and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1. This covers link/port f=
ailure scenario.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">More comments in line =85</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@=
ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:02 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@=
cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: EVPN: withdrawing the alias</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In case of (1), PE2 will adv=
ertise MAC1 *only* if there is traffic from MAC1. This is by no means assur=
ed. In that case, if PE2 does not advertise
 MAC1 before PE1 withdraws it, does PE3 consider MAC1 as unknown?</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali&gt; yes, PE3 consider MA=
C1 as unknown and starts flooding traffic toward MAC1 till it learns it fro=
m PE2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Perhaps PE1 could delay its =
withdrawal, or not send it at all. PE1 withdraws the Ethernet A-D. That cou=
ld trigger an aging timer on PE3 for the
 alias.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali&gt; No need to delay the=
 withdraw. Ether AD mass-withdraw message will cause PE3 to remove aliasing=
 and thus traffic gets forwarded to PE2 for
 MAC1. If MAC1 is advertised by PE2 before &nbsp;MAC1 is withdrawn by PE1, =
then there is no flooding; otherwise, there will be little bit of flooding =
till PE3 learns MAC1 from PE2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:bl=
ack"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Cheers,</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I propose:</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If a PE has advertised an Et=
hernet A-D route and has advertised a MAC route covered by that Ethernet A-=
D route and this PE subsequently withdraws
 the Ethernet A-D route, then it shall not withdraw the MAC route.</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If a first PE has received&n=
bsp;<span class=3D"apple-style-span">an Ethernet A-D route and a MAC route =
covered by that Ethernet A-D route from a second
 PE and has an alias for that MAC route from a third PE and subsequently re=
ceives a withdrawal of the&nbsp;Ethernet A-D route from the second PE, then=
 the first PE shall immediately delete its MAC route to the second PE and s=
tart an aging timer to delete its alias.</span><br>
<br>
-- </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jakob Heitz.</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
 "><br>
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:21 AM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Good question! The reason th=
at PE1 withdraws MAC1 can be:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">there is a failure between MHD and PE1 (e.g., a link or port fail=
ure)</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; ">MAC1 ages out on PE1</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span=
></li></ol>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In case of (1), PE2 will adv=
ertise MAC1 and PE3 will set its adjacency for MAC1 to PE2.</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In case of (2), PE1 withdraw=
s MAC1 but there is no advertisement by PE2. In this case, MAC1 is not reac=
hable via either PE1 or PE2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I think we can elaborate thi=
s on the next rev. of the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Cheers,</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ali</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Jakob Heitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jakob.heitz@=
ericsson.com">jakob.heitz@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>EVPN: withdrawing the alias</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always;orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-si=
ze-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider a CE (CE1) that is d=
ual-homed to two PEs (PE1 and PE2) on a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; LAG interface (ES1), and is sending packets with MAC a=
ddress MAC1 on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; VLAN1. MAC1 is advertised only by PE1. Both PE1 and PE=
2 advertise a Ethernet A-D<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; route per ESI for ESI1 as well as an Ethernet A-D rout=
e per EVI for<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;ESI1, VLAN1&gt;. A remote PE, PE3 considers MAC1 a=
s reachable<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; via both PE1 and PE2.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color=
: purple; font-family: 'Lucida Console'; ">Now, suppose PE1 withdraws its a=
dvertisement of MAC1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color=
: purple; font-family: 'Lucida Console'; ">Does PE3 still consider MAC1 as =
reachable via PE2?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color=
: purple; font-family: 'Lucida Console'; ">I would think not, but it's not =
stated in the draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family=
: Arial, sans-serif; ">--</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10=
.5pt; color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-fa=
mily: Arial, sans-serif; ">Jakob Heitz. x25475. 510-566-2901</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Working =
Group of the IETF.

	Title           : IP-Only LAN Service (IPLS)
	Author(s)       : Himanshu Shah
                          Eric Rosen
                          Francois Le Faucheur
                          Giles Heron
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2012-12-10

Abstract:
   A Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) [VPLS] is used to interconnect
   systems across a wide-area or metropolitan-area network, making it
   appear that they are on a private LAN.  The systems which are
   interconnected may themselves be LAN switches.  If, however, they
   are IP hosts or IP routers, certain simplifications to the operation
   of the VPLS are possible.  We call this simplified type of VPLS an
   "IP-only LAN Service" (IPLS).  In an IPLS, as in a VPLS, LAN
   interfaces are run in promiscuous mode, and frames are forwarded
   based on their destination MAC addresses.  However, the maintenance
   of the MAC forwarding tables is done via signaling, rather than via
   the MAC address learning procedures specified in [IEEE 802.1D].
   This draft specifies the protocol extensions and procedures for
   support of the IPLS service.


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls

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Hi,
This is regarding bgp path attributes in bgp update packet for route type "=
Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route".

We need to send path attributes for route type "MAC Advertisement Route". D=
o we need to send path attributes for "Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Rou=
te" other than route target? Or we need to send only route targets for "Inc=
lusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route".

Regards,
Mano

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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hernet Tag Route&#8221; other than route target? Or we need to send only ro=
ute targets for &#8220;<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
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PMSI tunnel attribute is required.
I would include the mandatory attributes as in rfc4271,
just to ensure smooth progression through routers.
Maybe we can relax this??
AS path is needed to prevent looping of the update message.
Nexthop is included inside of MP_REACH.

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Hi,
This is regarding bgp path attributes in bgp update packet for route type "=
Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route".

We need to send path attributes for route type "MAC Advertisement Route". D=
o we need to send path attributes for "Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Rou=
te" other than route target? Or we need to send only route targets for "Inc=
lusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route".

Regards,
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Hi,
This is regarding mac mobility extended community in mac advertisement in P=
BB-EVPN.

What is the use of Counter in mac mobility?

Regards,
Mano

From: Jakob Heitz [mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com]
Sent: 12 December 2012 AM 12:25
To: Manomugdha Biswas; l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: EVPN

PMSI tunnel attribute is required.
I would include the mandatory attributes as in rfc4271,
just to ensure smooth progression through routers.
Maybe we can relax this??
AS path is needed to prevent looping of the update message.
Nexthop is included inside of MP_REACH.

--
Jakob Heitz.


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From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:l2vpn-b=
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Subject: EVPN
Hi,
This is regarding bgp path attributes in bgp update packet for route type "=
Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route".

We need to send path attributes for route type "MAC Advertisement Route". D=
o we need to send path attributes for "Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Rou=
te" other than route target? Or we need to send only route targets for "Inc=
lusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route".

Regards,
Mano

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">This is regarding mac =
mobility extended community in mac advertisement in PBB-EVPN.<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What is the use of Cou=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mano<o:p></o:p></span>=
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mily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">=
 Jakob
 Heitz [mailto:jakob.heitz@ericsson.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 December 2012 AM 12:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Manomugdha Biswas; l2vpn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: EVPN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Lu=
cida Console&quot;;color:purple;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">PMSI tunnel att=
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;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN"><o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Lu=
cida Console&quot;;color:purple;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">I would include=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Lu=
cida Console&quot;;color:purple;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">just to ensure =
smooth progression through routers.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-IN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Lu=
cida Console&quot;;color:purple;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">Maybe we can re=
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w Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN"><o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Lu=
cida Console&quot;;color:purple;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">AS path is need=
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st-language:EN-IN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Lu=
cida Console&quot;;color:purple;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">Nexthop is incl=
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&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN"><=
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<p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">--</span>
<br>
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
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S" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
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yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;mso-fareast-language:EN-IN">
<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org">l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]">
[mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Manomugdha Biswas<b=
r>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> EVPN</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-IN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is regarding bgp path attributes in bgp update =
packet for route type &#8220;<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Courier New&quot;;color:black">Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route</s=
pan>&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We need to send path attributes for route type &#822=
0;<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:=
black">MAC Advertisement Route</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black">&#8221;.
</span>Do we need to send path attributes for &#8220;Inclusive Multicast Et=
hernet Tag Route&#8221; other than route target? Or we need to send only ro=
ute targets for &#8220;<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;color:black">Inclusive Multicast Ethernet Tag Route</span>&#=
8221;.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mano<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11

please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for =
publication as an Informational RFC from the L2VPN WG.  As always it'd =
be good to hear some comments over and above the usual "Support!".  =
Well, given the season any comments at all would be good ;)

this last call will close on Friday 4th January.

Nabil & Giles

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I support publication.  This methodology is attractive due to the
isolation of the AC, potential isolation and/or mitigation loop on the AC,
improved SP visibility into customer traffic benefiting coop
troubleshooting and support for multicast customer traffic (to not be
treated as broadcast).

I do, however, see some overlap with EVPN, and would like to hear how the
authors see the relationship between some of the EVPN work and this?

-Josh


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>good to hear some comments over and above the usual "Support!".  Well,
>given the season any comments at all would be good ;)
>
>this last call will close on Friday 4th January.
>
>Nabil & Giles


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I would not support this given E_VPN is a superior solution.

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>good to hear some comments over and above the usual "Support!".  Well,
>given the season any comments at all would be good ;)
>
>this last call will close on Friday 4th January.
>
>Nabil & Giles


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Dear All,
would publication of the document fall into the following case (http://www.=
ietf.org/iesg/informational-vs-experimental.html):
*       ... work that could be practiced, was developed in the IETF, has be=
en dropped for some reason, but is being published for the record. That's I=
nformational, unless the IESG determines that Historic status is more appro=
priate.
Support if that is the case and Historic status will be suggested to IESG o=
r, even better, selected by the WG itself.
Otherwise - do not support publication.

        Regards,
                Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of G=
iles Heron
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:59 AM
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls

This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11

please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for publicat=
ion as an Informational RFC from the L2VPN WG.  As always it'd be good to h=
ear some comments over and above the usual "Support!".  Well, given the sea=
son any comments at all would be good ;)

this last call will close on Friday 4th January.

Nabil & Giles


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<div>would publication of the document fall into the following case (<a hre=
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te.</li></ul>
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ESG or, even better, selected by the WG itself.</div>
<div>Otherwise - do not support publication.</div>
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<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Regards,</div>
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Greg</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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"><font color=3D"blue"><u>mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</u></font></a>] On =
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<div>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:59 AM</div>
<div>To: l2vpn@ietf.org</div>
<div>Subject: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11"><font =
color=3D"blue"><u>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11</u></=
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for pub=
lication as an Informational RFC from the L2VPN WG.&nbsp; As always it'd be=
 good to hear some comments over and above the usual &quot;Support!&quot;.&=
nbsp; Well, given the season any comments at all would
be good ;)</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>this last call will close on Friday 4th January.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Nabil &amp; Giles</div>
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On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:56, "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-l=
ucent.com> wrote:

> I would not support this given E_VPN is a superior solution.
>=20
> On 19/12/12 16:59, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>>=20
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11
>>=20
>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for
>> publication as an Informational RFC from the L2VPN WG.  As always it'd be=

>> good to hear some comments over and above the usual "Support!".  Well,
>> given the season any comments at all would be good ;)
>>=20
>> this last call will close on Friday 4th January.
>>=20
>> Nabil & Giles
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Giles,

I support publication, but I do wonder if Historic would be more
appropriate at this point, unless there actually are implementations out
there somewhere.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:

> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11
>
> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for
> publication as an Informational RFC from the L2VPN WG.  As always it'd be
> good to hear some comments over and above the usual "Support!".  Well,
> given the season any comments at all would be good ;)
>
> this last call will close on Friday 4th January.
>
> Nabil & Giles
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Giles,<br><br>I support publication, but I do wo=
nder if Historic would be more appropriate at this point, unless there actu=
ally are implementations out there somewhere.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div=
>

Andy<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Giles Heron <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">giles.heron@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call f=
or:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11" target=3D"_=
blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-11</a><br>
<br>
please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for publicat=
ion as an Informational RFC from the L2VPN WG. =A0As always it&#39;d be goo=
d to hear some comments over and above the usual &quot;Support!&quot;. =A0W=
ell, given the season any comments at all would be good ;)<br>


<br>
this last call will close on Friday 4th January.<br>
<br>
Nabil &amp; Giles<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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