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Hi,
This is the start of a two-week working group last call on the draft "LDP E=
xtensions for Optimized MAC Address Withdrawal in H-VPLS".  The draft can b=
e found at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-mac-opt-08

Please, review the draft and send any comments to the L2VPN working group e=
mail list by responding to this email. You are encouraged to send extensive=
 comments as you see fit.

This WG last call will close on Tuesday April 16, 2013.

Regards,
Nabil & Giles



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Working =
Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN
	Author(s)       : Simon Delord
                          Frederic Jounay
                          Lu Huang
                          Zhihua Liu
                          Manuel Paul
                          Ruediger Kunze
                          Nick Del Regno
                          Josh Rogers
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2013-04-03

Abstract:
   This document provides functional requirements for Metro Ethernet
   Forum (MEF) Ethernet Tree (E-Tree) support in multipoint L2VPN
   solutions (referred to as simply L2VPN). It is intended that
   potential solutions will use these requirements as guidelines.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Thanks Rich

WG - please take a moment to review the draft and to give feedback.

I'd be particularly interested in feedback from SPs as to whether they =
see this as a requirement for their VPLS networks.

Giles

On 21 Mar 2013, at 15:13, "Boldy, Richard" <richard.boldy@twcable.com> =
wrote:

> Hi,
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replaces my original draft - "draft-l2vpn-vlpm' as a requirements draft =
for this solution.
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> Once reviewed and chewed I'll be submitting my proposed solution draft =
(as per my original ID) but I welcome any others.=20
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> Let's put the solution discussion on the shelf for now till we get a =
good peer review on this REQ.
>=20
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> Rich./
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Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN, in order to ensu=
re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to t=
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n properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has be=
en received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft c=
an be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<h=
ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>

This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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pan><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-si=
ze: medium; "><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">compliance
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y IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF&nbsp;</span>=
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f-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-r=
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Nabil/Giles:

I am not aware of any relevant IPR which has not been properly disclosed.

Thanks,
Nick

Christopher N. "Nick" Del Regno, PMTS
Metro Enterprise Network Product Technology & Strategy, CNT
400 International Pkwy
Richardson, TX  75081
Tel: 972-729-3411



From: Bitar, Nabil N
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:12 PM
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Cc: Giles Heron; raymond.key@ieee.org; simon.delord@gmail.com; frederic.jou=
nay@orange.ch; huanglu@chinamobile.com; zhliu@gsta.com; manuel.paul@telekom=
.de; ruediger.kunze@telekom.de; DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick); josh.rogers=
@twcable.com
Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-04

Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN, in order to ensu=
re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to t=
his email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not bee=
n properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has be=
en received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft c=
an be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<h=
ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>

This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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has not been properly disclosed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
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family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
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s-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'>Christopher N. &#8220;Nick&#8221; Del Regno, PMTS<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Metro Enterprise Network Product Technology &a=
mp; Strategy, CNT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>400 Inte=
rnational Pkwy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richardson,=
 TX&nbsp; 75081<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel: 972-7=
29-3411<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
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oNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif=
"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sa=
ns-serif"'> Bitar, Nabil N <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:12 P=
M<br><b>To:</b> l2vpn@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> Giles Heron; raymond.key@ieee.=
org; simon.delord@gmail.com; frederic.jounay@orange.ch; huanglu@chinamobile=
.com; zhliu@gsta.com; manuel.paul@telekom.de; ruediger.kunze@telekom.de; De=
lRegno, Christopher N (Nick); josh.rogers@twcable.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Po=
lling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-=
04<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'=
font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi,</span>=
</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=
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al><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We are polling for knowledge of any =
IPR that&nbsp;applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04,&nbsp;</span></span=
><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family=
:Courier;color:black'>Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN</span></=
span><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>, in order to ensure that IPR has =
been disclosed in&nbsp;compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,=
 3669 and 5378 for more details).&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D'font-si=
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nt-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you are l=
isted as a document author&nbsp;or contributor, &nbsp;please respond&nbsp;t=
o this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not =
been properly disclosed. The&nbsp;draft will not be adopted until a respons=
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le=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If y=
ou are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author&nbsp;or c=
ontributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware&nbsp;of an=
y IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF&nbsp;rules.&=
nbsp;</span><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;=
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The draft can be found at&n=
bsp;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03">h=
ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04</a></span></span>=
<span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bl=
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v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri=
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Gents,

I am not aware of any relevant IPR which has not been properly disclosed.

Thanks,
Josh Rogers

From: <Bitar>, Nabil N <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<mailto:nabil.n.bitar@veri=
zon.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:11 PM
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Cc: Giles Heron <giheron@cisco.com<mailto:giheron@cisco.com>>, "raymond.key=
@ieee.org<mailto:raymond.key@ieee.org>" <raymond.key@ieee.org<mailto:raymon=
d.key@ieee.org>>, "simon.delord@gmail.com<mailto:simon.delord@gmail.com>" <=
simon.delord@gmail.com<mailto:simon.delord@gmail.com>>, "frederic.jounay@or=
ange.ch<mailto:frederic.jounay@orange.ch>" <frederic.jounay@orange.ch<mailt=
o:frederic.jounay@orange.ch>>, "huanglu@chinamobile.com<mailto:huanglu@chin=
amobile.com>" <huanglu@chinamobile.com<mailto:huanglu@chinamobile.com>>, "z=
hliu@gsta.com<mailto:zhliu@gsta.com>" <zhliu@gsta.com<mailto:zhliu@gsta.com=
>>, "manuel.paul@telekom.de<mailto:manuel.paul@telekom.de>" <manuel.paul@te=
lekom.de<mailto:manuel.paul@telekom.de>>, "ruediger.kunze@telekom.de<mailto=
:ruediger.kunze@telekom.de>" <ruediger.kunze@telekom.de<mailto:ruediger.kun=
ze@telekom.de>>, "DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick)" <nick.delregno@verizon.co=
m<mailto:nick.delregno@verizon.com>>, Joshua Rogers <josh.rogers@twcable.co=
m<mailto:josh.rogers@twcable.com>>
Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-04

Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN, in order to ensu=
re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to t=
his email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not bee=
n properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has be=
en received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft c=
an be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<h=
ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>

This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&lt;Bitar&gt;, Nabil N &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com</a>&gt=
;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:11 =
PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@i=
etf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2v=
pn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Giles Heron &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:giheron@cisco.com">giheron@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:ra=
ymond.key@ieee.org">raymond.key@ieee.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ra=
ymond.key@ieee.org">raymond.key@ieee.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
imon.delord@gmail.com">simon.delord@gmail.com</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon.delord@gmail.com">simon.delord@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:frederic.jounay@orange.ch">frederic.jounay@oran=
ge.ch</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:frederic.jounay@orange.ch">frederic.j=
ounay@orange.ch</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:huanglu@chinamobile.com">h=
uanglu@chinamobile.com</a>&quot;
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&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:zhliu@gsta.com">zhliu@gsta.com</a>&quot; &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:zhliu@gsta.com">zhliu@gsta.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"=
mailto:manuel.paul@telekom.de">manuel.paul@telekom.de</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:manuel.paul@telekom.de">manuel.paul@telekom.de</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:ruediger.kunze@telekom.de">ruediger.kunze@telekom.=
de</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ruediger.kunze@telekom.de">ruediger.kunz=
e@telekom.de</a>&gt;, &quot;DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick)&quot; &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:nick.delregno@verizon.com">nick.delregno@verizon.com</a>&gt;,
 Joshua Rogers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:josh.rogers@twcable.com">josh.rogers@t=
wcable.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Polling for IPR on the E-T=
ree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<br>
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rap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-=
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serif; ">
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ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; =
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e-span" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; "><font face=3D"C=
alibri,sans-serif">We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that&nbsp;</font=
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t-size: medium; "><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">applie=
s
 to draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04,&nbsp;</span></span><span class=3D"Apple=
-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Courier; ">Requirements for MEF E-Tree S=
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erif; ">,
 in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in&nbsp;</span></span><span=
 class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: mediu=
m; "><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">compliance with IET=
F IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and
 5378 for more details).&nbsp;</span></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; =
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y IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF&nbsp;</span>=
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Hi

Not aware about any patent related to this draft
BR
Fred



From: Bitar, Nabil N
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:12 PM
To: l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>
Cc: Giles Heron; raymond.key@ieee.org<mailto:raymond.key@ieee.org>; simon.d=
elord@gmail.com<mailto:simon.delord@gmail.com>; frederic.jounay@orange.ch<m=
ailto:frederic.jounay@orange.ch>; huanglu@chinamobile.com<mailto:huanglu@ch=
inamobile.com>; zhliu@gsta.com<mailto:zhliu@gsta.com>; manuel.paul@telekom.=
de<mailto:manuel.paul@telekom.de>; ruediger.kunze@telekom.de<mailto:ruedige=
r.kunze@telekom.de>; DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick); josh.rogers@twcable.co=
m<mailto:josh.rogers@twcable.com>
Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-04

Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN, in order to ensu=
re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to t=
his email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not bee=
n properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has be=
en received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft c=
an be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<h=
ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>

This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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t related to this draft<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
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r:#1F497D'>BR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'=
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ang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> B=
itar, Nabil N <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:12 PM<br><b>To:</=
b> <a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Giles=
 Heron; <a href=3D"mailto:raymond.key@ieee.org">raymond.key@ieee.org</a>; <=
a href=3D"mailto:simon.delord@gmail.com">simon.delord@gmail.com</a>; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:frederic.jounay@orange.ch">frederic.jounay@orange.ch</a>; <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:huanglu@chinamobile.com">huanglu@chinamobile.com</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:zhliu@gsta.com">zhliu@gsta.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:manuel.pau=
l@telekom.de">manuel.paul@telekom.de</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ruediger.kunze@=
telekom.de">ruediger.kunze@telekom.de</a>; DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick); =
<a href=3D"mailto:josh.rogers@twcable.com">josh.rogers@twcable.com</a><br><=
b>Subject:</b> Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-=
l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an class=3Dapple-style-span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;fo=
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,&nbsp;</span></span><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Requirements for MEF=
 E-Tree Support in L2VPN</span></span><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:black'>, in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in&nbsp;compli=
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t has not been properly disclosed. The&nbsp;draft will not be adopted until=
 a response has been received from each&nbsp;author and contributor.</span>=
</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
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t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you are on the l2vpn WG ema=
il list but are not listed as an author&nbsp;or contributor, then please ex=
plicitly respond only if you are aware&nbsp;of any IPR that has not yet bee=
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Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The draft can be found at&nbsp;<a href=
=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03">https://tool=
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Hi Nabil & Giles,

I am not aware of any relevant IPR that has not been properly disclosed.

Regards,
Manuel

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From: Bitar, Nabil N [mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:12 PM
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Cc: Giles Heron; raymond.key@ieee.org; simon.delord@gmail.com; frederic.jou=
nay@orange.ch; huanglu@chinamobile.com; zhliu@gsta.com; Paul, Manuel; Kunze=
, R=FCdiger; DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick); josh.rogers@twcable.com
Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-04

Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN, in order to ensu=
re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to t=
his email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not bee=
n properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has be=
en received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft c=
an be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<h=
ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>

This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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Not aware of IPR

From: <Bitar>, Nabil Bitar <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<mailto:nabil.n.bitar@=
verizon.com>>
Date: Thursday 4 April 2013 20:11
To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Cc: Giles Heron <giheron@cisco.com<mailto:giheron@cisco.com>>
Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-04

Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-et=
ree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in L2VPN, in order to ensu=
re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to t=
his email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not bee=
n properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has be=
en received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft c=
an be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<h=
ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>

This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.

Thanks,
Nabil & Giles




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Hi WG Chairs=2C
I am not aware of any relevant IPR that has not been properly disclosed. Ra=
ymond Key  From: nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com
CC: giheron@cisco.com=3B raymond.key@ieee.org=3B simon.delord@gmail.com=3B =
frederic.jounay@orange.ch=3B huanglu@chinamobile.com=3B zhliu@gsta.com=3B m=
anuel.paul@telekom.de=3B ruediger.kunze@telekom.de=3B nick.delregno@verizon=
.com=3B josh.rogers@twcable.com
To: l2vpn@ietf.org
Date: Thu=2C 4 Apr 2013 14:11:55 -0400
Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft draft-ietf-l2vpn-=
etree-reqt-04

Hi=2C
We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=0A=
 to draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04=2C Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support i=
n L2VPN=2C in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance=0A=
 with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979=2C 4879=2C 3669 and 5378 for more detai=
ls).=20
If you are listed as a document author or=0A=
 contributor=2C  please respond to this email whether or not you are aware =
of any relevant IPR that has not been properly=0A=
 disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response has been receive=
d from each author=0A=
 and contributor.
If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or co=
ntributor=2C then please explicitly respond only if you are=0A=
 aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF =
rules. The=0A=
 draft can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-r=
eqt-04
This poll closes on Thursday April 11=2C 2013.
Thanks=2CNabil & Giles


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d=3D"SkyDrivePlaceholder">Raymond Key</div><div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>&nbsp=3B=
</div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From: nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<br>CC: gihero=
n@cisco.com=3B raymond.key@ieee.org=3B simon.delord@gmail.com=3B frederic.j=
ounay@orange.ch=3B huanglu@chinamobile.com=3B zhliu@gsta.com=3B manuel.paul=
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sh.rogers@twcable.com<br>To: l2vpn@ietf.org<br>Date: Thu=2C 4 Apr 2013 14:1=
1:55 -0400<br>Subject: Polling for IPR on the E-Tree Requirements draft dra=
ft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<br><br><div style=3D"font-size: 14px=3B"><span =
style=3D"font-size: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Hi=2C</span></=
div><span id=3D"ecxOLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0=2C=
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><span style=3D"font-size: 14px=3B" id=3D"ecxOLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><di=
v style=3D"color: rgb(0=2C 0=2C 0)=3B font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B=
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=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-size: m=
edium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><font face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-serif"=
><br></font></span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=
=3B"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-size: medium=3B" class=3D"=
ecxApple-style-span"><font face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-serif">We are polling for=
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 to draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04=2C&nbsp=3B</span></span><span style=3D"f=
ont-family: Courier=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span">Requirements for MEF =
E-Tree Support in L2VPN</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-s=
ize: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-family: C=
alibri=2C sans-serif=3B">=2C in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed=
 in&nbsp=3B</span></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-size: =
medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibr=
i=2C sans-serif=3B">compliance=0A=
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ls).&nbsp=3B</span></span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-=
serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-si=
ze: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><font face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-s=
erif"><br></font></span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-se=
rif=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-size=
: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><font face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-ser=
if">If you are listed as a document author&nbsp=3B</font></span><span style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B font-size: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-s=
pan"><font face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-serif">or=0A=
 contributor=2C &nbsp=3Bplease respond&nbsp=3B</font></span><span style=3D"=
font-family: Calibri=3B font-size: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"=
><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B">to this email whethe=
r or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not been properly=0A=
 disclosed. The&nbsp=3B</span></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=3B=
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=2Csans-serif">draft will not be adopted until a response has been received=
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-size: medium=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-family:=
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 and contributor.</span></span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C =
sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B"><br></div><span style=3D"font-family: Cal=
ibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=3B" id=3D"ecxOLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><d=
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reak-word=3B"><div><div style=3D"font-size: medium=3B"><div style=3D"font-f=
amily: Calibri=3B"><font face=3D"Calibri=2Csans-serif">If you are on the l2=
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=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B">or contributor=2C then please ex=
plicitly respond only if you are=0A=
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of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF&nbsp=3B=
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B">rules.&nbsp=3B=
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C sans-serif=3B font-size: 14px=
=3B" class=3D"ecxApple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2C s=
ans-serif=3B">The=0A=
 draft can be found at&nbsp=3B<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-i=
etf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf=
t-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04</a></span></span></div></div></div></div></div><=
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Hi,

We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to =
draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", =
in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).=20
=20
If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to =
this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not =
been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a =
response has been received from each author and contributor.
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If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or =
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any =
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The =
draft can be found at =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.
=20
This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.

Thanks.

Nabil & Giles=

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I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that hasn't already been
disclosed.

Cheers,
Ali

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>Hi,
>
>We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to
>draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in
>order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR
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>Thanks.
>
>Nabil & Giles


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Not aware of IPR

On 05/04/13 14:46, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:

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>We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to
>draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in
>order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR
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>been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a
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>IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The
>draft can be found at
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.
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>This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Nabil & Giles


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Hi there,
I'm not aware of any IPR.
regards,
Simon


2013/4/5 Bitar, Nabil N <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>

> Hi,
>
> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to
> draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04, Requirements for MEF E-Tree Support in
> L2VPN, in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor,  please respond to
> this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not
> been properly disclosed. The draft will not be adopted until a response
> has been received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The
> draft can be found at
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-04<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-etree-reqt-03>
>
> This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.
>
> Thanks,
> Nabil & Giles
>
>
>
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ss=3D"gmail_quote">2013/4/5 Bitar, Nabil N <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.=
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erif">author
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nt face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">If you are on the l2vpn WG email list but ar=
e not listed as an author=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif">or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are
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hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF=A0</span><span styl=
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n><div style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px;font-family:C=
alibri,sans-serif">This poll closes on Thursday April 11, 2013.</span></div=
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Hi Giles,

I am not aware of IPR that has not been disclosed with respect to draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.

rahul


> From: Giles Heron <giheron@cisco.com>
> Subject: Fwd: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
> Date: 5 April 2013 13:58:35 BST
> To: Ali Sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>, Rahul Aggarwal <raggarwa_1@yho.com>, "Wim (Wim) Henderickx" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>, Aldrin Isaac <aldrin.isaac@gmail.com>, James Uttaro <uttaro@att.com>, Nabil Bitar <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>, John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>, "Clarence Filsfils" <cfilsfil@cisco.com>, "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com>
> 
> Hi authors/contributors.
> 
> please do respond to the poll on the WG list (I didn't CC you as it would have caused issues with the system - it doesn't like that many recipients and forces Nabil and I to manually approve such messages...
> 
> actually speaking of author counts we may need to drop one more of you from the list at the head of the draft before it goes to RFC - as 5 is the normal maximum.
> 
> Giles
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com>
>> Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
>> Date: 5 April 2013 13:46:07 BST
>> To: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
>> Cc: Nabil Bitar <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). 
>> 
>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a response has been received from each author and contributor.
>> 
>> If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.
>> 
>> This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Nabil & Giles
> 
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<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div>Hi Giles,<br><br>I am not aware of IPR that has not been disclosed with respect to draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.<br><br>rahul<br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br>&gt; From: Giles Heron &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:giheron@cisco.com" href="mailto:giheron@cisco.com">giheron@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Subject: Fwd: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02<br>&gt; Date: 5 April 2013 13:58:35 BST<br>&gt; To: Ali Sajassi &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" href="mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Rahul Aggarwal &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:raggarwa_1@yho.com" href="mailto:raggarwa_1@yho.com">raggarwa_1@yho.com</a>&gt;, "Wim (Wim) Henderickx" &lt;<a
 ymailto="mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com" href="mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com">wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;, Aldrin Isaac &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com" href="mailto:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com">aldrin.isaac@gmail.com</a>&gt;, James Uttaro &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:uttaro@att.com" href="mailto:uttaro@att.com">uttaro@att.com</a>&gt;, Nabil Bitar &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com" href="mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com</a>&gt;, John E Drake &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:jdrake@juniper.net" href="mailto:jdrake@juniper.net">jdrake@juniper.net</a>&gt;, "Clarence Filsfils" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com" href="mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com">cfilsfil@cisco.com</a>&gt;, "Samer Salam (ssalam)" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" href="mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hi authors/contributors.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; please do respond to the poll on
 the WG list (I didn't CC you as it would have caused issues with the system - it doesn't like that many recipients and forces Nabil and I to manually approve such messages...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; actually speaking of author counts we may need to drop one more of you from the list at the head of the draft before it goes to RFC - as 5 is the normal maximum.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Giles<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Begin forwarded message:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; From: Giles Heron &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com" href="mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com">giles.heron@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02<br>&gt;&gt; Date: 5 April 2013 13:46:07 BST<br>&gt;&gt; To: "<a ymailto="mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org" href="mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org" href="mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Cc: Nabil Bitar &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com"
 href="mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a response has been received from each author and contributor.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draft can be found at
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Nabil &amp; Giles<br>&gt; <br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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Hi Rahul,

Can you please respond to the Gile's original email (below) which had l2vpn=
@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org> in the cc list.

Thanks,
Ali

From: Rahul Aggarwal <raggarwa_1@yahoo.com<mailto:raggarwa_1@yahoo.com>>
Reply-To: Rahul Aggarwal <raggarwa_1@yahoo.com<mailto:raggarwa_1@yahoo.com>=
>
Date: Sunday, April 7, 2013 4:11 PM
To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com<mailto:giheron@cisco.com>>, =
"l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, "\"Wim (W=
im) Henderickx\"" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:wim.henderickx@=
alcatel-lucent.com>>, Aldrin Isaac <aldrin.isaac@gmail.com<mailto:aldrin.is=
aac@gmail.com>>, James Uttaro <uttaro@att.com<mailto:uttaro@att.com>>, Nabi=
l Bitar <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>>, John=
 E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net<mailto:jdrake@juniper.net>>, "Clarence Filsfil=
s (cfilsfil)" <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>, "Samer Salam=
 (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
Subject: Re: Fwd: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02


Hi Giles,

I am not aware of IPR that has not been disclosed with respect to draft-iet=
f-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.

rahul

> From: Giles Heron <giheron@cisco.com<mailto:giheron@cisco.com>>
> Subject: Fwd: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
> Date: 5 April 2013 13:58:35 BST
> To: Ali Sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, Rahul Agga=
rwal <raggarwa_1@yho.com<mailto:raggarwa_1@yho.com>>, "Wim (Wim) Henderickx=
" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.c=
om>>, Aldrin Isaac <aldrin.isaac@gmail.com<mailto:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com>>,=
 James Uttaro <uttaro@att.com<mailto:uttaro@att.com>>, Nabil Bitar <nabil.n=
.bitar@verizon.com<mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>>, John E Drake <jdrake=
@juniper.net<mailto:jdrake@juniper.net>>, "Clarence Filsfils" <cfilsfil@cis=
co.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>, "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.co=
m<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
>
> Hi authors/contributors.
>
> please do respond to the poll on the WG list (I didn't CC you as it would=
 have caused issues with the system - it doesn't like that many recipients =
and forces Nabil and I to manually approve such messages...
>
> actually speaking of author counts we may need to drop one more of you fr=
om the list at the head of the draft before it goes to RFC - as 5 is the no=
rmal maximum.
>
> Giles
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com<mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
>> Date: 5 April 2013 13:46:07 BST
>> To: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn=
@ietf.org>>
>> Cc: Nabil Bitar <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.=
com>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-l2vpn=
-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to ensure t=
hat IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979=
, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>
>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to=
 this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not b=
een properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a response h=
as been received from each author and contributor.
>>
>> If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or=
 contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any I=
PR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The draf=
t can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.
>>
>> This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Nabil & Giles
>



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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">Hi Rahul=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">Can you =
please respond to the Gile's original email (below) which had&nbsp;<span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new =
roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><a ymailto=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org" hr=
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york', times, serif; ">&nbsp;in
 the cc list.&nbsp;</span></div>
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ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new =
roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new =
roman', 'new york', times, serif; ">Thanks,</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new =
roman', 'new york', times, serif; ">Ali</span></div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Rahul Aggarwal &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:raggarwa_1@yahoo.com">raggarwa_1@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Rahul Aggarwal &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:raggarwa_1@yahoo.com">raggarwa_1@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday, April 7, 2013 4:11 PM=
<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;Giles Heron (giheron)&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:giheron@cisco.com">giheron@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quo=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;\&quot;Wim (Wim) =
Henderickx\&quot;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent=
.com">wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;, Aldrin Isaac &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com">aldrin.isaac@gmail.com</a>&gt;,
 James Uttaro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:uttaro@att.com">uttaro@att.com</a>&gt;,=
 Nabil Bitar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com">nabil.n.bitar=
@verizon.com</a>&gt;, John E Drake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jdrake@juniper.net=
">jdrake@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com">cfilsfil@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quo=
t;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam=
@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Fwd: IPR poll for draf=
t-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02<br>
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Hi Giles,<br>
<br>
I am not aware of IPR that has not been disclosed with respect to draft-iet=
f-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.<br>
<br>
rahul<br>
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-si=
ze: 12pt;">
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-si=
ze: 12pt;">
<br>
&gt; From: Giles Heron &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:giheron@cisco.com" href=3D"=
mailto:giheron@cisco.com">giheron@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Fwd: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02<br>
&gt; Date: 5 April 2013 13:58:35 BST<br>
&gt; To: Ali Sajassi &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" href=3D"ma=
ilto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Rahul Aggarwal &lt;<a ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:raggarwa_1@yho.com" href=3D"mailto:raggarwa_1@yho.com">ragg=
arwa_1@yho.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Wim (Wim) Henderickx&quot; &lt;<a ymailto=3D"=
mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com" href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@alc=
atel-lucent.com">wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;,
 Aldrin Isaac &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com" href=3D"mail=
to:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com">aldrin.isaac@gmail.com</a>&gt;, James Uttaro &lt=
;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:uttaro@att.com" href=3D"mailto:uttaro@att.com">uttaro=
@att.com</a>&gt;, Nabil Bitar &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizo=
n.com" href=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<=
/a>&gt;,
 John E Drake &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:jdrake@juniper.net" href=3D"mailto:j=
drake@juniper.net">jdrake@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Clarence Filsfils&quot=
; &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com" href=3D"mailto:cfilsfil@cisc=
o.com">cfilsfil@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam=
@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi authors/contributors.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; please do respond to the poll on the WG list (I didn't CC you as it wo=
uld have caused issues with the system - it doesn't like that many recipien=
ts and forces Nabil and I to manually approve such messages...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; actually speaking of author counts we may need to drop one more of you=
 from the list at the head of the draft before it goes to RFC - as 5 is the=
 normal maximum.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Giles<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Begin forwarded message:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; From: Giles Heron &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com" =
href=3D"mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com">giles.heron@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02<br>
&gt;&gt; Date: 5 April 2013 13:46:07 BST<br>
&gt;&gt; To: &quot;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org" href=3D"mailto:l2vp=
n@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.or=
g" href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Cc: Nabil Bitar &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com=
" href=3D"mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com</a>&g=
t;<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf=
-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, &quot;Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)&quot;, in o=
rder to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rule=
s (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please resp=
ond to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has=
 not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a resp=
onse has been received from each author
 and contributor.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an aut=
hor or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of=
 any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Th=
e draft can be found at
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02">https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02</a>.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Nabil &amp; Giles<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
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Giles,

I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Irrespectively Yours,

John


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> Hi,
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> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-
> l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to
> ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
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> not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a
> response has been received from each author and contributor.
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> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of
> any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
> The draft can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-
> evpn-req-02.
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> This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>=20
> Thanks.
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> Nabil & Giles


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Folks,

As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven been ad=
dressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for better clarify=
 in the text for some of the requirements and thus suggesting following the=
 text with some explicit requirements. As the result, a few additional requ=
irements were added to sections 4.3, 4.6, and 10. Please review the changes=
  and let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com<mailto:giheron@cisco.com>>, =
"Bitar, Nabil N" <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com<mailto:nabil.n.bitar@verizon.co=
m>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req


Giles, Nabil:

Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure that all =
the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved. I have publi=
shed rev02 with all the comment resolutions.

Cheers,
Ali


________________________________

  *   To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com<mailto:giles.heron@DOMAIN.H=
IDDEN>>, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com<mailto:lucy.yong@DOMAIN.HIDDEN>=
>
  *   Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
  *   From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@DO=
MAIN.HIDDEN>>
  *   Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000

Giles, Nabil:

I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resolved. I
have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.

Regards,
Ali

On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks Lucy,
>
>authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
>Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
>
>Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft further.
>
>thanks.
>
>Giles
>
>On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com> wrote:
>
>> I support this draft but have some comments.
>>
>> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that requiring
>>a dedicated
>>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
>>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
>>
>> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP link
>>too? or private link.
>> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes? If
>>yes, state it out.
>>
>> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement for
>>flow based load balance.
>>
>> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN across
>>multi-ASes
>>
>> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required for
>>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
>>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases where the
>>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Lucy
>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
>>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
>>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
>>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
>>>
>>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>>>
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
>>>
>>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for
>>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
>>>
>>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
>>>
>>> Nabil & Giles
>>
>



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g the text with some explicit requirements.
 As the result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, 4=
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etf.org">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org">l2v=
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<div>Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure that=
 all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved. I have =
published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Ali&nbsp;</div>
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ong@DOMAIN.HIDDEN">lucy.yong at huawei.com</a>&gt;</li><li><em>Subject</em>=
: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req</li><li><em>From</em>: &qu=
ot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@DOMAIN.HIDDEN"=
>sajassi at cisco.com</a>&gt;</li><li><em>Date</em>: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09=
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">Giles, Nabil:

I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resolved. I
have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.

Regards,
Ali

On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, &quot;Giles Heron&quot; &lt;giles.heron at gmail.com&gt=
; wrote:

&gt;Thanks Lucy,
&gt;
&gt;authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
&gt;Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
&gt;
&gt;Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft further=
.
&gt;
&gt;thanks.
&gt;
&gt;Giles
&gt;
&gt;On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong &lt;lucy.yong at huawei.com&gt; wrot=
e:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I support this draft but have some comments.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that requ=
iring
&gt;&gt;a dedicated
&gt;&gt;   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
&gt;&gt;mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP li=
nk
&gt;&gt;too? or private link.
&gt;&gt; May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes? =
If
&gt;&gt;yes, state it out.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement f=
or
&gt;&gt;flow based load balance.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN acro=
ss
&gt;&gt;multi-ASes
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required=
 for
&gt;&gt;DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
&gt;&gt;interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases where=
 the
&gt;&gt;new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; Cheers,
&gt;&gt; Lucy
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt; ------------------------------
&gt;&gt;&gt; Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 &#43;0100
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: Giles Heron &lt;giles.heron at gmail.com&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: &quot;l2vpn at ietf.org&quot; &lt;l2vpn at ietf.org&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
&gt;&gt;&gt; Message-ID: &lt;755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.=
com&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
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&gt;&gt;&gt; This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
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etf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req=
-01</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt; please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft=
 for
&gt;&gt;&gt; publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt; this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt; Nabil &amp; Giles
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The draft minutes from Orlando have now been posted:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/minutes/minutes-86-l2vpn

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please do read and send comments to the chairs if you find any =
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Hi Folks,

Just to follow up on Giles email below. I'd like to get a simple yes/no res=
ponse on if you think this is a real world problem that needs a solution.

We are particularly interest in service provider comments but I'd like to g=
et a simple straw-poll on adoption by the WG here asap.

Outside of the WG I've received a great deal of interest in this and my pro=
posed solution so I'd like to re-start discussion on the solution draft of =
this preferably within the WG if possible.

Rgds
Rich./




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From: Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com<mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com>>
To: Richard Boldy <richard.boldy@twcable.com<mailto:richard.boldy@twcable.c=
om>>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00=
.txt

Thanks Rich

WG - please take a moment to review the draft and to give feedback.

I'd be particularly interested in feedback from SPs as to whether they see =
this as a requirement for their VPLS networks.

Giles

On 21 Mar 2013, at 15:13, "Boldy, Richard" <richard.boldy@twcable.com<mailt=
o:richard.boldy@twcable.com>> wrote:

Hi,
At the request of one of our Chairs (Giles) the REQ draft below replaces my=
 original draft - "draft-l2vpn-vlpm' as a requirements draft for this solut=
ion.
Once reviewed and chewed I'll be submitting my proposed solution draft (as =
per my original ID) but I welcome any others.
Let's put the solution discussion on the shelf for now till we get a good p=
eer review on this REQ.
Kind regards
Rich./
Rich Boldy
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To: Richard Boldy <richard.boldy@twcable.com<mailto:richard.boldy@twcable.c=
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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00.txt
A new version of I-D, draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Time Warner Cable and posted to the
IETF repository.
Filename: draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req
Revision: 00
Title: VPLS External Loop Detection and Protection Requirements
Creation date: 2013-03-21
Group: Individual Submission
Number of pages: 6
URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boldy-l2vpn-vpls=
loop-req-00.txt
Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop=
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00
Abstract:
     Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) implementations, as defined in
     [RFC4761] and [RFC4762], are highly susceptible to layer-2 loops
     external to the PE customer-facing interface. Such loops impact
     performance and can have a detrimental affect on all VPLS traffic
     throughout the entire instance under certain conditions.
     Current Layer-2 loop detection and protection mechanisms do not
     function effectively here.
     This document describes the requirements for a protocol function
     to offer VPLS service providers a mechanism for detecting such
     layer-2 loops and facilitating configurable actions without the
     need for inter-operation with customer network protocols, other
     VPLS PEs or customer sourced frames.

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VPLS networks.</div><div><br></div><div>Giles</div><div><br></div><div>On 2=
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iv><div> At the request of one of our Chairs (Giles) the REQ draft below re=
places my original draft - "draft-l2vpn-vlpm' as a requirements draft for t=
his solution.</div><div> </div><div> Once reviewed and chewed I'll be submi=
tting my proposed solution draft (as per my original ID) but I welcome any =
others. </div><div> </div><div> Let's put the solution discussion on the sh=
elf for now till we get a good peer review on this REQ.</div><div> </div><d=
iv> Kind regards</div><div> Rich./</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div=
><div> Rich Boldy</div><div> Principal Engineer</div><div> National Network=
 Operations Engineering</div><div> Advanced Technology Group</div><div> CCN=
P MEF-CECP</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div> &lt;CE42269E-D6FE-4EE1-B6FF-B0=
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don, VA 20171</div><div> Office: (703) 713 1573</div><div> Mobile:</div><di=
v> (512) 673-2719</div><div> Email:</div><div> <a href=3D"mailto:richard.bo=
ldy@twcable.com">richard.boldy@twcable.com</a></div><div> AIM:rboldytwc</di=
v><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> From: "=
<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>" &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>=
&gt;</div><div> To: Richard Boldy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard.boldy@twcab=
le.com">richard.boldy@twcable.com</a>&gt;</div><div> Subject: New Version N=
otification for draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00.txt</div><div> </div><div=
> </div><div> A new version of I-D, draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00.txt</=
div><div> has been successfully submitted by Time Warner Cable and posted t=
o the</div><div> IETF repository.</div><div> </div><div> Filename: draft-bo=
ldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req</div><div> Revision: 00</div><div> Title: VPLS Exter=
nal Loop Detection and Protection Requirements</div><div> Creation date: 20=
13-03-21</div><div> Group: Individual Submission</div><div> Number of pages=
: 6</div><div> URL:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boldy=
-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boldy=
-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-00.txt</a></div><div> Status:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bol=
dy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req</a></div><div> Htmlized:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boldy-l2vpn-=
vplsloop-req-00">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boldy-l2vpn-vplsloop-req-=
00</a></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> Abstract:</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) implementations, as defined =
in</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [RFC4761] and [RFC4762], are highly s=
usceptible to layer-2 loops</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; external to =
the PE customer-facing interface. Such loops impact</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; performance and can have a detrimental affect on all VPLS traff=
ic</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; throughout the entire instance under =
certain conditions.</div><div> </div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Current =
Layer-2 loop detection and protection mechanisms do not</div><div>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; function effectively here.</div><div> </div><div>&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; This document describes the requirements for a protocol func=
tion</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to offer VPLS service providers a m=
echanism for detecting such</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; layer-2 loop=
s and facilitating configurable actions without the</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; need for inter-operation with customer network protocols, other=
</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VPLS PEs or customer sourced frames.</d=
iv><div> </div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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Hi,
I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that has not been properly
disclosed.

Thanks,
Nbail

On 4/8/13 9:02 AM, "John E Drake" <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:

>Giles,
>
>I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft.
>
>Irrespectively Yours,
>
>John
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Of Giles Heron
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>> To: l2vpn@ietf.org
>> Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-
>> l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to
>> ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
>> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>=20
>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond
>> to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has
>> not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a
>> response has been received from each author and contributor.
>>=20
>> If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author
>> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of
>> any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>> The draft can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-
>> evpn-req-02.
>>=20
>> This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>>=20
>> Thanks.
>>=20
>> Nabil & Giles


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I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that has not been properly =
disclosed..


Thanks,
	Jim Uttaro

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Hi,
I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that has not been properly
disclosed.

Thanks,
Nbail

On 4/8/13 9:02 AM, "John E Drake" <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:

>Giles,
>
>I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft.
>
>Irrespectively Yours,
>
>John
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Giles Heron
>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 5:46 AM
>> To: l2vpn@ietf.org
>> Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-
>> l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to
>> ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
>> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>=20
>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond
>> to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has
>> not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a
>> response has been received from each author and contributor.
>>=20
>> If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author
>> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of
>> any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>> The draft can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-
>> evpn-req-02.
>>=20
>> This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>>=20
>> Thanks.
>>=20
>> Nabil & Giles


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Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
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Thanks Ali,

WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given that the =
IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we plan to =
move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get =
substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02 by =
the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).

thanks.

Giles

On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com> =
wrote:

>=20
> Folks,=20
>=20
> As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven =
been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for =
better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus =
suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the =
result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, 4.6, =
and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any =
questions.=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Ali
>=20
> From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil N" =
<nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
>=20
> Giles, Nabil:
>=20
> Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure that =
all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved. I =
have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Ali=20
>=20
>=20
> 	=95 To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong =
<lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> 	=95 Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> 	=95 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> 	=95 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> =20
> Giles, Nabil:
>=20
> I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resolved. =
I
> have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
>=20
> Regards,
> Ali
>=20
> On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> >Thanks Lucy,
> >
> >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
> >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> >
> >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft =
further.
> >
> >thanks.
> >
> >Giles
> >
> >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> >>=20
> >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that =
requiring
> >>a dedicated
> >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
> >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> >>=20
> >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP =
link
> >>too? or private link.
> >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes? =
If
> >>yes, state it out.
> >>=20
> >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement =
for
> >>flow based load balance.
> >>=20
> >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN =
across
> >>multi-ASes
> >>=20
> >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required =
for
> >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
> >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases where =
the
> >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> >>=20
> >> Cheers,
> >> Lucy
> >>=20
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> >>>=20
> >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for
> >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> >>>=20
> >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> >>>=20
> >>> Nabil & Giles
> >>=20
> >
>=20
>=20


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Subject: Re: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
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I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that has not been already
disclosed.

Regards,
Samer


On 13-04-05 5:46 AM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to
>draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in
>order to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR
>rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>=20
>If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to
>this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has not
>been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a
>response has been received from each author and contributor.
>=20
>If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
>contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
>IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. The
>draft can be found at
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02.
>=20
>This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Nabil & Giles


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I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that hasn't already been
disclosed.

Cheers,
Clarence

>
> On 4/15/13 10:41 AM, "UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com> wrote:
>
>> I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that has not been
>> properly disclosed..
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> 	Jim Uttaro
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bitar, Nabil N
>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 1:37 PM
>> To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; l2vpn@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft that has not been properly
>> disclosed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nbail
>>
>> On 4/8/13 9:02 AM, "John E Drake" <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Giles,
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft.
>>>
>>> Irrespectively Yours,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Giles Heron
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 5:46 AM
>>>> To: l2vpn@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-02
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We are polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-
>>>> l2vpn-evpn-req-02, "Requirements for Ethernet VPN (E-VPN)", in order to
>>>> ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
>>>> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>>>
>>>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond
>>>> to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR that has
>>>> not been properly disclosed. The draft will not be progressed until a
>>>> response has been received from each author and contributor.
>>>>
>>>> If you are on the L2VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author
>>>> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of
>>>> any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>>> The draft can be found at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-
>>>> evpn-req-02.
>>>>
>>>> This poll closes on Friday April 12, 2013.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Nabil & Giles
>>
>






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From: Lucy yong <lucy.yong@huawei.com>
To: Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com>, Ali Sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
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Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.

1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference section=
 too.
2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.=20
3) replace contributers with contributors

One comment:
There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support multi-tenancy, =
in which additional requirements are necessary. We can either include the r=
equirements in this document or will have another document to address those=
 requirements. The additional requirements in my minds are 1) Support VM mo=
bility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs interworking for multi-subne=
ts 4) traffic optimization over infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide =
where to include these req. prior to progressing the draft?

Cheers,
Lucy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Giles Heron
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> To: Ali Sajassi
> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
> Thanks Ali,
>=20
> WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given that
> the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we
> plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get
> substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02 by
> the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
>=20
> thanks.
>=20
> Giles
>=20
> On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>=20
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven
> been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for
> better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus
> suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the
> result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, 4.6,
> and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any
> questions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ali
> >
> > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil N"
> <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> >
> > Giles, Nabil:
> >
> > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure
> that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved.
> I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ali
> >
> >
> > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
> <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> >
> > Giles, Nabil:
> >
> > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resolved.
> I
> > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ali
> >
> > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks Lucy,
> > >
> > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
> > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > >
> > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft
> further.
> > >
> > >thanks.
> > >
> > >Giles
> > >
> > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > >>
> > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that
> requiring
> > >>a dedicated
> > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
> > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > >>
> > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP
> link
> > >>too? or private link.
> > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes?
> If
> > >>yes, state it out.
> > >>
> > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement
> for
> > >>flow based load balance.
> > >>
> > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN
> across
> > >>multi-ASes
> > >>
> > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required
> for
> > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
> > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases where
> the
> > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Lucy
> > >>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> > >>>
> > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft
> for
> > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > >>>
> > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > >>>
> > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >


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Lucy,

I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I recall, that =
is what it was chartered to do.

Irrespectively Yours,

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Lucy yong
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
> To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
> Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.
>=20
> 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference
> section too.
> 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.
> 3) replace contributers with contributors
>=20
> One comment:
> There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support multi-
> tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can either
> include the requirements in this document or will have another document
> to address those requirements. The additional requirements in my minds
> are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs
> interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
> infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include these req.
> prior to progressing the draft?
>=20
> Cheers,
> Lucy
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Giles Heron
> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > To: Ali Sajassi
> > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> > Thanks Ali,
> >
> > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given that
> > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we
> > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get
> > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02
> > by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > Giles
> >
> > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven
> > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for
> > better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus
> > suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the
> > result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3,
> 4.6,
> > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any
> > questions.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil N"
> > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >
> > >
> > > Giles, Nabil:
> > >
> > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure
> > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been
> resolved.
> > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > >
> > > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
> > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> > > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > >
> > > Giles, Nabil:
> > >
> > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been
> resolved.
> > I
> > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > >
> > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's
> comments.
> > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > >
> > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft
> > further.
> > > >
> > > >thanks.
> > > >
> > > >Giles
> > > >
> > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that
> > requiring
> > > >>a dedicated
> > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
> > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > >>
> > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP
> > link
> > > >>too? or private link.
> > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different
> ASes?
> > If
> > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement
> > for
> > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > >>
> > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN
> > across
> > > >>multi-ASes
> > > >>
> > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are
> > > >> required
> > for
> > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
> > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases
> > > >>where
> > the
> > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Lucy
> > > >>
> > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
> > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft
> > for
> > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>=20



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Hi John,

This is no doubt that nvo3 requirements doc. need to cover this application=
. =20

If this document is about the EVPN requirements, and if the EVPN is also in=
tended to apply to inside DC, do you think that the additional requirements=
 related to this application should be EVPN requirements? To avoid the dupl=
ication, maybe we simply reference the nvo3 requirement in this document. T=
hus, in the introduction section of this document, it should mention intra-=
DC application at least and related requirement reference.=20

Thanks,
Lucy

  =20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:11 AM
> To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
> Lucy,
>=20
> I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I recall,
> that is what it was chartered to do.
>=20
> Irrespectively Yours,
>=20
> John
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Lucy yong
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
> > To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> > Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.
> >
> > 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference
> > section too.
> > 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.
> > 3) replace contributers with contributors
> >
> > One comment:
> > There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support multi-
> > tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can
> either
> > include the requirements in this document or will have another
> document
> > to address those requirements. The additional requirements in my
> minds
> > are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs
> > interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
> > infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include these req.
> > prior to progressing the draft?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lucy
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Giles Heron
> > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > > To: Ali Sajassi
> > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >
> > > Thanks Ali,
> > >
> > > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given
> that
> > > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded,
> we
> > > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we
> get
> > > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and
> rev02
> > > by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> > >
> > > thanks.
> > >
> > > Giles
> > >
> > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments
> haven
> > > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for
> > > better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus
> > > suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As
> the
> > > result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3,
> > 4.6,
> > > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any
> > > questions.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ali
> > > >
> > > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil N"
> > > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > >
> > > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure
> > > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been
> > resolved.
> > > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ali
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
> > > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> > > > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > > >
> > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > >
> > > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been
> > resolved.
> > > I
> > > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ali
> > > >
> > > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > > >
> > > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's
> > comments.
> > > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > > >
> > > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft
> > > further.
> > > > >
> > > > >thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >Giles
> > > > >
> > > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that
> > > requiring
> > > > >>a dedicated
> > > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
> > > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in
> IGP
> > > link
> > > > >>too? or private link.
> > > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different
> > ASes?
> > > If
> > > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a
> requirement
> > > for
> > > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN
> > > across
> > > > >>multi-ASes
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are
> > > > >> required
> > > for
> > > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these
> service
> > > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases
> > > > >>where
> > > the
> > > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> Lucy
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at
> gmail.com>
> > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this
> draft
> > > for
> > > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>=20


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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Lucy yong <lucy.yong@huawei.com>, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com>, Ali Sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
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Lucy,

The E-VPN Requirements draft details the requirements which E-VPN was desig=
ned address.  The fact that it may address additional requirements is irrel=
evant to this discussion.  It is also the case that raising the issue of ad=
ditional requirements at this point in the process looks like obstructionis=
m.

Irrespectively Yours,

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy yong [mailto:lucy.yong@huawei.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:28 AM
> To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
> Hi John,
>=20
> This is no doubt that nvo3 requirements doc. need to cover this
> application.
>=20
> If this document is about the EVPN requirements, and if the EVPN is
> also intended to apply to inside DC, do you think that the additional
> requirements related to this application should be EVPN requirements?
> To avoid the duplication, maybe we simply reference the nvo3
> requirement in this document. Thus, in the introduction section of this
> document, it should mention intra-DC application at least and related
> requirement reference.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Lucy
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:11 AM
> > To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> > Lucy,
> >
> > I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I recall,
> > that is what it was chartered to do.
> >
> > Irrespectively Yours,
> >
> > John
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Lucy yong
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
> > > To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >
> > > Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be
> revised.
> > >
> > > 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference
> > > section too.
> > > 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.
> > > 3) replace contributers with contributors
> > >
> > > One comment:
> > > There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support multi-
> > > tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can
> > either
> > > include the requirements in this document or will have another
> > document
> > > to address those requirements. The additional requirements in my
> > minds
> > > are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs
> > > interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
> > > infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include these
> req.
> > > prior to progressing the draft?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Lucy
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Giles Heron
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > > > To: Ali Sajassi
> > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Ali,
> > > >
> > > > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given
> > that
> > > > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded,
> > we
> > > > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we
> > get
> > > > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and
> > rev02
> > > > by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> > > >
> > > > thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Giles
> > > >
> > > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
> <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments
> > haven
> > > > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask
> > > > for better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and
> > > > thus suggesting following the text with some explicit
> > > > requirements. As
> > the
> > > > result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3,
> > > 4.6,
> > > > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have
> any
> > > > questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ali
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil
> N"
> > > > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > > > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > >
> > > > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to
> > > > > ensure
> > > > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been
> > > resolved.
> > > > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Ali
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
> > > > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > > > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> > > > > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > > > >
> > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been
> > > resolved.
> > > > I
> > > > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Ali
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's
> > > comments.
> > > > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the
> draft
> > > > further.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Giles
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means
> that
> > > > requiring
> > > > > >>a dedicated
> > > > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-
> homing
> > > > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in
> > IGP
> > > > link
> > > > > >>too? or private link.
> > > > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different
> > > ASes?
> > > > If
> > > > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a
> > requirement
> > > > for
> > > > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet
> L2VPN
> > > > across
> > > > > >>multi-ASes
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are
> > > > > >> required
> > > > for
> > > > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these
> > service
> > > > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases
> > > > > >>where
> > > > the
> > > > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > >> Lucy
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at
> > gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this
> > draft
> > > > for
> > > > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:34 AM
> To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
> Lucy,
>=20
> The E-VPN Requirements draft details the requirements which E-VPN was
> designed address.=20
[Lucy] Yes, E-VPN was originally aimed for SP network service. But now ther=
e is also intention to apply it inside DC.=20
=20

 The fact that it may address additional requirements
> is irrelevant to this discussion.  It is also the case that raising the
> issue of additional requirements at this point in the process looks
> like obstructionism.
[Lucy] Although the intention of this thread is not for this subject, IMO: =
raising the question here is valid because it related to the evpn. I guess =
that you prefer to catch the additional requirements for intra-DC applicati=
on in different doc, which is one of options mentioned in my early e-mail. =
If this is the way that the WG want do, we should state clearly in this doc=
ument: the evpn for inside DC is outside scope of this document. IMO: this =
is the issue the WG faces. The WG needs to address it. We have an option wi=
thout process delay.=20

Regards,
Lucy
>=20
> Irrespectively Yours,
>=20
> John
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lucy yong [mailto:lucy.yong@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:28 AM
> > To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > This is no doubt that nvo3 requirements doc. need to cover this
> > application.
> >
> > If this document is about the EVPN requirements, and if the EVPN is
> > also intended to apply to inside DC, do you think that the additional
> > requirements related to this application should be EVPN requirements?
> > To avoid the duplication, maybe we simply reference the nvo3
> > requirement in this document. Thus, in the introduction section of
> this
> > document, it should mention intra-DC application at least and related
> > requirement reference.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:11 AM
> > > To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >
> > > Lucy,
> > >
> > > I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I
> recall,
> > > that is what it was chartered to do.
> > >
> > > Irrespectively Yours,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Lucy yong
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
> > > > To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >
> > > > Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be
> > revised.
> > > >
> > > > 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the
> reference
> > > > section too.
> > > > 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.
> > > > 3) replace contributers with contributors
> > > >
> > > > One comment:
> > > > There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support
> multi-
> > > > tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can
> > > either
> > > > include the requirements in this document or will have another
> > > document
> > > > to address those requirements. The additional requirements in my
> > > minds
> > > > are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3)
> EVPNs
> > > > interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
> > > > infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include these
> > req.
> > > > prior to progressing the draft?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Lucy
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Giles Heron
> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > > > > To: Ali Sajassi
> > > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Ali,
> > > > >
> > > > > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given
> > > that
> > > > > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now
> responded,
> > > we
> > > > > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless
> we
> > > get
> > > > > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and
> > > rev02
> > > > > by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Giles
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
> > <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments
> > > haven
> > > > > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask
> > > > > for better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and
> > > > > thus suggesting following the text with some explicit
> > > > > requirements. As
> > > the
> > > > > result, a few additional requirements were added to sections
> 4.3,
> > > > 4.6,
> > > > > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have
> > any
> > > > > questions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Ali
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > > > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar,
> Nabil
> > N"
> > > > > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > > > > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to
> > > > > > ensure
> > > > > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been
> > > > resolved.
> > > > > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Ali
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
> > > > > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > > > > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> > > > > > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been
> > > > resolved.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the
> draft.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Ali
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's
> > > > comments.
> > > > > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the
> > draft
> > > > > further.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Giles
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means
> > that
> > > > > requiring
> > > > > > >>a dedicated
> > > > > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-
> > homing
> > > > > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is
> in
> > > IGP
> > > > > link
> > > > > > >>too? or private link.
> > > > > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be
> different
> > > > ASes?
> > > > > If
> > > > > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a
> > > requirement
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet
> > L2VPN
> > > > > across
> > > > > > >>multi-ASes
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are
> > > > > > >> required
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these
> > > service
> > > > > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use
> cases
> > > > > > >>where
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > >> Lucy
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > > > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > > > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at
> > > gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this
> > > draft
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Irrespectively Yours,

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy yong [mailto:lucy.yong@huawei.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:12 AM
> To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:34 AM
> > To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> > Lucy,
> >
> > The E-VPN Requirements draft details the requirements which E-VPN was
> > designed address.
> [Lucy] Yes, E-VPN was originally aimed for SP network service. But now
> there is also intention to apply it inside DC.

JD:  And what is your point?

>=20
>=20
>  The fact that it may address additional requirements
> > is irrelevant to this discussion.  It is also the case that raising
> > the issue of additional requirements at this point in the process
> > looks like obstructionism.
> [Lucy] Although the intention of this thread is not for this subject,

JD:  In that case, perhaps we should have an extended discussion of the mov=
ies that will be opening this weekend.

> IMO: raising the question here is valid because it related to the evpn.

JD:  To what is 'it' referring and what does 'the evpn' mean?

> I guess that you prefer to catch the additional requirements for intra-
> DC application in different doc, which is one of options mentioned in
> my early e-mail. If this is the way that the WG want do, we should
> state clearly in this document: the evpn for inside DC is outside scope
> of this document.

JD:  So, you want to enumerate all of things that are out of scope for this=
 document?  Are you aware that this enumerated list is potentially infinite=
 in length and that it will constantly change?

> IMO: this is the issue the WG faces. The WG needs to
> address it. We have an option without process delay.

JD:  Since the NVO3 WG is chartered to develop DC requirements and to perfo=
rm a gap analysis of potential solutions against these requirements, there =
is no need for the E-VPN Requirements draft to mention DC requirements.
=20
>=20
> Regards,
> Lucy
> >
> > Irrespectively Yours,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lucy yong [mailto:lucy.yong@huawei.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:28 AM
> > > To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > This is no doubt that nvo3 requirements doc. need to cover this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If this document is about the EVPN requirements, and if the EVPN is
> > > also intended to apply to inside DC, do you think that the
> > > additional requirements related to this application should be EVPN
> requirements?
> > > To avoid the duplication, maybe we simply reference the nvo3
> > > requirement in this document. Thus, in the introduction section of
> > this
> > > document, it should mention intra-DC application at least and
> > > related requirement reference.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lucy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:11 AM
> > > > To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >
> > > > Lucy,
> > > >
> > > > I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I
> > recall,
> > > > that is what it was chartered to do.
> > > >
> > > > Irrespectively Yours,
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Lucy yong
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
> > > > > To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > >
> > > > > Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be
> > > revised.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the
> > reference
> > > > > section too.
> > > > > 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be
> included.
> > > > > 3) replace contributers with contributors
> > > > >
> > > > > One comment:
> > > > > There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support
> > multi-
> > > > > tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can
> > > > either
> > > > > include the requirements in this document or will have another
> > > > document
> > > > > to address those requirements. The additional requirements in
> my
> > > > minds
> > > > > are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3)
> > EVPNs
> > > > > interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
> > > > > infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include
> > > > > these
> > > req.
> > > > > prior to progressing the draft?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Lucy
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]
> > > > > > On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of Giles Heron
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > > > > > To: Ali Sajassi
> > > > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Ali,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.
> > > > > > Given
> > > > that
> > > > > > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now
> > responded,
> > > > we
> > > > > > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC
> unless
> > we
> > > > get
> > > > > > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01
> and
> > > > rev02
> > > > > > by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Giles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
> > > <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC
> > > > > > > comments
> > > > haven
> > > > > > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments
> > > > > > ask for better clarify in the text for some of the
> > > > > > requirements and thus suggesting following the text with some
> > > > > > explicit requirements. As
> > > > the
> > > > > > result, a few additional requirements were added to sections
> > 4.3,
> > > > > 4.6,
> > > > > > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you
> have
> > > any
> > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > > > > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar,
> > Nabil
> > > N"
> > > > > > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to
> > > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been
> > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy
> yong
> > > > > > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > > > > > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-
> evpn-req
> > > > > > > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at
> cisco.com>
> > > > > > > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been
> > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the
> > draft.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at
> gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's
> > > > > comments.
> > > > > > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the
> > > draft
> > > > > > further.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >thanks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Giles
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at
> > > > > > > >huawei.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means
> > > that
> > > > > > requiring
> > > > > > > >>a dedicated
> > > > > > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-
> > > homing
> > > > > > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is
> > in
> > > > IGP
> > > > > > link
> > > > > > > >>too? or private link.
> > > > > > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be
> > different
> > > > > ASes?
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a
> > > > requirement
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet
> > > L2VPN
> > > > > > across
> > > > > > > >>multi-ASes
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces
> are
> > > > > > > >> required
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these
> > > > service
> > > > > > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use
> > cases
> > > > > > > >>where
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > > >> Lucy
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > > > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > > > > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > > > > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > > > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at
> > > > gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of
> this
> > > > draft
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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See in-line.

> > > The E-VPN Requirements draft details the requirements which E-VPN
> was
> > > designed address.
> > [Lucy] Yes, E-VPN was originally aimed for SP network service. But
> now
> > there is also intention to apply it inside DC.
>=20
> JD:  And what is your point?
[Lucy] my point is that if the evpn requirements should include intra DC ap=
plication because the desire.
>=20
> >
> >
> >  The fact that it may address additional requirements
> > > is irrelevant to this discussion.  It is also the case that raising
> > > the issue of additional requirements at this point in the process
> > > looks like obstructionism.
> > [Lucy] Although the intention of this thread is not for this subject,
>=20
> JD:  In that case, perhaps we should have an extended discussion of the
> movies that will be opening this weekend.
[Lucy] that is definitely irrelevant to this discussion. You are working on=
 the several evpn solution drafts for intra-DCs in this WG. Do you say that=
 should not relevant to the EVPN requirements at all?=20
>=20
> > IMO: raising the question here is valid because it related to the
> evpn.
>=20
> JD:  To what is 'it' referring and what does 'the evpn' mean?
[Lucy] "it" refers to my question about additional requirements for the evp=
n to apply in DC.
>=20
> > I guess that you prefer to catch the additional requirements for
> intra-
> > DC application in different doc, which is one of options mentioned in
> > my early e-mail. If this is the way that the WG want do, we should
> > state clearly in this document: the evpn for inside DC is outside
> scope
> > of this document.
>=20
> JD:  So, you want to enumerate all of things that are out of scope for
> this document?  Are you aware that this enumerated list is potentially
> infinite in length and that it will constantly change?
[Lucy] No, this is not my intention. I just mention the solution we already=
 work on, not anything not foreseeable yet.
>=20
> > IMO: this is the issue the WG faces. The WG needs to
> > address it. We have an option without process delay.
>=20
> JD:  Since the NVO3 WG is chartered to develop DC requirements and to
> perform a gap analysis of potential solutions against these
> requirements, there is no need for the E-VPN Requirements draft to
> mention DC requirements.
[Lucy] but the evpn-overlay for DC is already started in this WG! It causes=
 people confusion who did work the evpn requirement at beginning.=20

Lucy
>=20
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lucy
> > >
> > > Irrespectively Yours,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lucy yong [mailto:lucy.yong@huawei.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:28 AM
> > > > To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > This is no doubt that nvo3 requirements doc. need to cover this
> > > > application.
> > > >
> > > > If this document is about the EVPN requirements, and if the EVPN
> is
> > > > also intended to apply to inside DC, do you think that the
> > > > additional requirements related to this application should be
> EVPN
> > requirements?
> > > > To avoid the duplication, maybe we simply reference the nvo3
> > > > requirement in this document. Thus, in the introduction section
> of
> > > this
> > > > document, it should mention intra-DC application at least and
> > > > related requirement reference.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Lucy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:11 AM
> > > > > To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > >
> > > > > Lucy,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I
> > > recall,
> > > > > that is what it was chartered to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Irrespectively Yours,
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]
> On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of Lucy yong
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
> > > > > > To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
> > > > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > > > Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be
> > > > revised.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the
> > > reference
> > > > > > section too.
> > > > > > 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be
> > included.
> > > > > > 3) replace contributers with contributors
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One comment:
> > > > > > There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support
> > > multi-
> > > > > > tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We
> can
> > > > > either
> > > > > > include the requirements in this document or will have
> another
> > > > > document
> > > > > > to address those requirements. The additional requirements in
> > my
> > > > > minds
> > > > > > are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3)
> > > EVPNs
> > > > > > interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
> > > > > > infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include
> > > > > > these
> > > > req.
> > > > > > prior to progressing the draft?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Lucy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]
> > > > > > > On
> > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > Of Giles Heron
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > > > > > > To: Ali Sajassi
> > > > > > > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Ali,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.
> > > > > > > Given
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now
> > > responded,
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC
> > unless
> > > we
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01
> > and
> > > > > rev02
> > > > > > > by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Giles
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
> > > > <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC
> > > > > > > > comments
> > > > > haven
> > > > > > > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments
> > > > > > > ask for better clarify in the text for some of the
> > > > > > > requirements and thus suggesting following the text with
> some
> > > > > > > explicit requirements. As
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > result, a few additional requirements were added to
> sections
> > > 4.3,
> > > > > > 4.6,
> > > > > > > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you
> > have
> > > > any
> > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > > > > > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar,
> > > Nabil
> > > > N"
> > > > > > > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time
> to
> > > > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have
> been
> > > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy
> > yong
> > > > > > > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > > > > > > > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-
> > evpn-req
> > > > > > > > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at
> > cisco.com>
> > > > > > > > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Giles, Nabil:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have
> been
> > > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the
> > > draft.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at
> > gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and
> Lucy's
> > > > > > comments.
> > > > > > > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress
> the
> > > > draft
> > > > > > > further.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Giles
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at
> > > > > > > > >huawei.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often
> means
> > > > that
> > > > > > > requiring
> > > > > > > > >>a dedicated
> > > > > > > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the
> multi-
> > > > homing
> > > > > > > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link
> is
> > > in
> > > > > IGP
> > > > > > > link
> > > > > > > > >>too? or private link.
> > > > > > > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be
> > > different
> > > > > > ASes?
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a
> > > > > requirement
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting
> Ethernet
> > > > L2VPN
> > > > > > > across
> > > > > > > > >>multi-ASes
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces
> > are
> > > > > > > > >> required
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will
> these
> > > > > service
> > > > > > > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use
> > > cases
> > > > > > > > >>where
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >> Lucy
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > > > > > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
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> > > > > > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
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> > > > > > > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
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> > > > > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of
> > this
> > > > > draft
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN
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> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
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> > > > > > > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > > > > > > >>
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Hi Lucy,

On 17 Apr 2013, at 11:29, Lucy yong <lucy.yong@huawei.com> wrote:

> Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.
>=20
> 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference =
section too.
> 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.=20
> 3) replace contributers with contributors
>=20

OK. I'm sure Ali can fix those.

> One comment:
> There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support =
multi-tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can =
either include the requirements in this document or will have another =
document to address those requirements. The additional requirements in =
my minds are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) =
EVPNs interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over =
infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include these req. =
prior to progressing the draft?

As John has noted I'm not sure that we need to document that in L2VPN.

=46rom the NVO3 charter:

"the NVO3 WG will develop requirements for both control plane =
protocol(s) and data plane encapsulation format(s), and perform a gap =
analysis of existing candidate mechanisms."

So let's get E-VPN finished within its original scope so that NVO3 can =
then consider it as a potential candidate mechanism for an NVO3 control =
plane protocol...

Giles

> Cheers,
> Lucy
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On =
Behalf
>> Of Giles Heron
>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
>> To: Ali Sajassi
>> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>=20
>> Thanks Ali,
>>=20
>> WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given that
>> the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we
>> plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get
>> substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02 =
by
>> the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
>>=20
>> thanks.
>>=20
>> Giles
>>=20
>> On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Folks,
>>>=20
>>> As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven
>> been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for
>> better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus
>> suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the
>> result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, =
4.6,
>> and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any
>> questions.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ali
>>>=20
>>> From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
>>> To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil N"
>> <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
>>> Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Giles, Nabil:
>>>=20
>>> Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure
>> that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been =
resolved.
>> I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ali
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
>> <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
>>> 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>> 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
>>> 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
>>>=20
>>> Giles, Nabil:
>>>=20
>>> I think all the comments regarding this last call have been =
resolved.
>> I
>>> have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Ali
>>>=20
>>> On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Thanks Lucy,
>>>>=20
>>>> authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
>>>> Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
>>>>=20
>>>> Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft
>> further.
>>>>=20
>>>> thanks.
>>>>=20
>>>> Giles
>>>>=20
>>>> On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> I support this draft but have some comments.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that
>> requiring
>>>>> a dedicated
>>>>>  link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
>>>>> mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP
>> link
>>>>> too? or private link.
>>>>> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes?
>> If
>>>>> yes, state it out.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement
>> for
>>>>> flow based load balance.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN
>> across
>>>>> multi-ASes
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required
>> for
>>>>> DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
>>>>> interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases =
where
>> the
>>>>> new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Lucy
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
>>>>>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
>>>>>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft
>> for
>>>>>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Nabil & Giles
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
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Hi Lucy,

On 17 Apr 2013, at 15:12, Lucy yong <lucy.yong@huawei.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>=20
>>> IMO: this is the issue the WG faces. The WG needs to
>>> address it. We have an option without process delay.
>>=20
>> JD:  Since the NVO3 WG is chartered to develop DC requirements and to
>> perform a gap analysis of potential solutions against these
>> requirements, there is no need for the E-VPN Requirements draft to
>> mention DC requirements.
> [Lucy] but the evpn-overlay for DC is already started in this WG! It =
causes people confusion who did work the evpn requirement at beginning.=20=


The evpn-overlay for DC is an individual draft.  As I stated at IETF86 =
it's not clear if it fits into our current charter.  IIRC we also =
discussed this at IETF85 - the issue is that NVO3 isn't doing solutions =
yet, but people are already working (as individuals) on solutions.  We =
have allowed them to present those solutions in L2VPN but we're not =
going to adopt them as WG docs any time soon.

Giles

> Lucy
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Lucy
>>>>=20
>>>> Irrespectively Yours,
>>>>=20
>>>> John
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Lucy yong [mailto:lucy.yong@huawei.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:28 AM
>>>>> To: John E Drake; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
>>>>> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This is no doubt that nvo3 requirements doc. need to cover this
>>>>> application.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If this document is about the EVPN requirements, and if the EVPN
>> is
>>>>> also intended to apply to inside DC, do you think that the
>>>>> additional requirements related to this application should be
>> EVPN
>>> requirements?
>>>>> To avoid the duplication, maybe we simply reference the nvo3
>>>>> requirement in this document. Thus, in the introduction section
>> of
>>>> this
>>>>> document, it should mention intra-DC application at least and
>>>>> related requirement reference.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Lucy
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:11 AM
>>>>>> To: Lucy yong; Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
>>>>>> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Lucy,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I think the NVO3 group should document DC requirements.  As I
>>>> recall,
>>>>>> that is what it was chartered to do.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Irrespectively Yours,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]
>> On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Lucy yong
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: Giles Heron; Ali Sajassi
>>>>>>> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be
>>>>> revised.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the
>>>> reference
>>>>>>> section too.
>>>>>>> 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be
>>> included.
>>>>>>> 3) replace contributers with contributors
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> One comment:
>>>>>>> There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support
>>>> multi-
>>>>>>> tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We
>> can
>>>>>> either
>>>>>>> include the requirements in this document or will have
>> another
>>>>>> document
>>>>>>> to address those requirements. The additional requirements in
>>> my
>>>>>> minds
>>>>>>> are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3)
>>>> EVPNs
>>>>>>> interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
>>>>>>> infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include
>>>>>>> these
>>>>> req.
>>>>>>> prior to progressing the draft?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Lucy
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Giles Heron
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Ali Sajassi
>>>>>>>> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Thanks Ali,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.
>>>>>>>> Given
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now
>>>> responded,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC
>>> unless
>>>> we
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01
>>> and
>>>>>> rev02
>>>>>>>> by the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Giles
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
>>>>> <sajassi@cisco.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC
>>>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>> haven
>>>>>>>> been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments
>>>>>>>> ask for better clarify in the text for some of the
>>>>>>>> requirements and thus suggesting following the text with
>> some
>>>>>>>> explicit requirements. As
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> result, a few additional requirements were added to
>> sections
>>>> 4.3,
>>>>>>> 4.6,
>>>>>>>> and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you
>>> have
>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Ali
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar,
>>>> Nabil
>>>>> N"
>>>>>>>> <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Giles, Nabil:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time
>> to
>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>> that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have
>> been
>>>>>>> resolved.
>>>>>>>> I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Ali
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy
>>> yong
>>>>>>>> <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
>>>>>>>>> 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-
>>> evpn-req
>>>>>>>>> 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at
>>> cisco.com>
>>>>>>>>> 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Giles, Nabil:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> I think all the comments regarding this last call have
>> been
>>>>>>> resolved.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the
>>>> draft.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ali
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at
>>> gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Lucy,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and
>> Lucy's
>>>>>>> comments.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Once the comments have been addressed we can progress
>> the
>>>>> draft
>>>>>>>> further.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Giles
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at
>>>>>>>>>> huawei.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> I support this draft but have some comments.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often
>> means
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> requiring
>>>>>>>>>>> a dedicated
>>>>>>>>>>>  link between the PEs, for the operation of the
>> multi-
>>>>> homing
>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> IGP
>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>>>>> too? or private link.
>>>>>>>>>>> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be
>>>> different
>>>>>>> ASes?
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> yes, state it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a
>>>>>> requirement
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> flow based load balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting
>> Ethernet
>>>>> L2VPN
>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>> multi-ASes
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> required
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will
>> these
>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>>>>> interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use
>>>> cases
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lucy
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at
>>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of
>>> this
>>>>>> draft
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN
>> WG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nabil & Giles
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20


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Hi Lucy,

DCVPN was definitely a key use case that was on our mind at the inception
of EVPN.  This is why so much of the requirements draft directly or
indirectly supports a DCVPN application of EVPN.  At the time the early
drafts were published NVO3 did not exist and there was a great deal of
interest in the SP community so L2VPN WG was the path that was the way
forward.

The requirements draft definitely covers Ethernet DCVPN, and IMO does not
prevent a use case that for VM mobility and multi-subnet.  These can be
described in drafts that describe how EVPN can be combined with other
thingsto support these use cases.  That said, it's possible that we
can change
the one or two places that refer to the underlay network as an MPLS
network.


On Wednesday, April 17, 2013, Lucy yong wrote:

> Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.
>
> 1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference
> section too.
> 2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.
> 3) replace contributers with contributors
>
> One comment:
> There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support multi-tenancy,
> in which additional requirements are necessary. We can either include the
> requirements in this document or will have another document to address
> those requirements. The additional requirements in my minds are 1) Support
> VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs interworking for
> multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over infrastructure network, etc. Can
> we decide where to include these req. prior to progressing the draft?
>
> Cheers,
> Lucy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org <javascript:;> [mailto:
> l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> > Of Giles Heron
> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
> > To: Ali Sajassi
> > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> >
> > Thanks Ali,
> >
> > WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given that
> > the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we
> > plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get
> > substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02 by
> > the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > Giles
> >
> > On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com<javascript:;>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven
> > been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for
> > better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus
> > suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the
> > result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, 4.6,
> > and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any
> > questions.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
> > > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com <javascript:;>>,
> "Bitar, Nabil N"
> > <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org <javascript:;>" <l2vpn@ietf.org <javascript:;>>
> > > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >
> > >
> > > Giles, Nabil:
> > >
> > > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure
> > that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved.
> > I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > >
> > >     * To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
> > <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
> > >     * Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > >     * From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
> > >     * Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
> > >
> > > Giles, Nabil:
> > >
> > > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resolved.
> > I
> > > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Thanks Lucy,
> > > >
> > > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
> > > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
> > > >
> > > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft
> > further.
> > > >
> > > >thanks.
> > > >
> > > >Giles
> > > >
> > > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that
> > requiring
> > > >>a dedicated
> > > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
> > > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
> > > >>
> > > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP
> > link
> > > >>too? or private link.
> > > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes?
> > If
> > > >>yes, state it out.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement
> > for
> > > >>flow based load balance.
> > > >>
> > > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN
> > across
> > > >>multi-ASes
> > > >>
> > > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required
> > for
> > > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
> > > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases where
> > the
> > > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Lucy
> > > >>
> > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
> > > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
> > > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
> > > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
> > > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
> > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft
> > for
> > > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Nabil & Giles
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

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Hi Lucy,<div><br></div><div>DCVPN was definitely a key use case that=A0was =
on our mind at the inception of EVPN. =A0This is why so much of the require=
ments draft directly or indirectly supports a=A0DCVPN application of EVPN. =
=A0At the time the early drafts were published=A0NVO3 did not exist=A0and t=
here was a great deal of interest in=A0the SP community so=A0L2VPN WG was t=
he path that was the way forward.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>The requirements draft definitely covers Ethernet DCVPN=
, and IMO does not prevent a use case that for=A0VM mobility and multi-subn=
et. =A0These can be described in=A0drafts that describe how EVPN can be com=
bined with other things<span></span> to support these use cases. =A0That sa=
id, it&#39;s possible that we can change the=A0one or two places that refer=
 to the underlay network=A0as an MPLS network.=A0<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wednesday, April 17, 2013, Lucy=
 yong  wrote:<br></div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Check the diff. =
btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.<br>

<br>
1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference section=
 too.<br>
2) the contributor&#39;s affiliation and address should be included.<br>
3) replace contributers with contributors<br>
<br>
One comment:<br>
There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support multi-tenancy, =
in which additional requirements are necessary. We can either include the r=
equirements in this document or will have another document to address those=
 requirements. The additional requirements in my minds are 1) Support VM mo=
bility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs interworking for multi-subne=
ts 4) traffic optimization over infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide =
where to include these req. prior to progressing the draft?<br>

<br>
Cheers,<br>
Lucy<br>
<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#=
39;l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org&#39;)">l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a> [mailto:<a href=
=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;l2vpn-bounces@i=
etf.org&#39;)">l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf<br>

&gt; Of Giles Heron<br>
&gt; Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM<br>
&gt; To: Ali Sajassi<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39=
;l2vpn@ietf.org&#39;)">l2vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks Ali,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02. =A0Given that=
<br>
&gt; the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we<b=
r>
&gt; plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get<=
br>
&gt; substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02 b=
y<br>
&gt; the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; thanks.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Giles<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) &lt;<a href=3D"javascri=
pt:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;sajassi@cisco.com&#39;)">sa=
jassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Folks,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments hav=
en<br>
&gt; been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for<br=
>
&gt; better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus<br>
&gt; suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the<=
br>
&gt; result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, 4.6,=
<br>
&gt; and 10. Please review the changes =A0and let me know if you have any<b=
r>
&gt; questions.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; &gt; Ali<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; From: Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(e=
vent, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;sajassi@cisco.com&#39;)">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&g=
t;<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: &quot;Giles Heron (giheron)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;=
" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;giheron@cisco.com&#39;)">gihero=
n@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Bitar, Nabil N&quot;<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39=
;nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com&#39;)">nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: &quot;<a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml=
&#39;, &#39;l2vpn@ietf.org&#39;)">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"j=
avascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;l2vpn@ietf.org&#39;)=
">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>

&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Giles, Nabil:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure=
<br>
&gt; that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved=
.<br>
&gt; I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; Ali<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; =A0 =A0 * To: Giles Heron &lt;giles.heron at <a href=3D"http://gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>&gt;, Lucy yong<br>
&gt; &lt;lucy.yong at <a href=3D"http://huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">huawe=
i.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; =A0 =A0 * Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req=
<br>
&gt; &gt; =A0 =A0 * From: &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;sajassi at =
<a href=3D"http://cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; =A0 =A0 * Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Giles, Nabil:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resol=
ved.<br>
&gt; I<br>
&gt; &gt; have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.<b=
r>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; Ali<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, &quot;Giles Heron&quot; &lt;giles.heron at <a=
 href=3D"http://gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;Thanks Lucy,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;authors - I&#39;d like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy&#=
39;s comments.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the dra=
ft<br>
&gt; further.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;thanks.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;Giles<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong &lt;lucy.yong at <a href=
=3D"http://huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I support this draft but have some comments.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means=
 that<br>
&gt; requiring<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;a dedicated<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; =A0 link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi=
-homing<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is=
 in IGP<br>
&gt; link<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;too? or private link.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be differ=
ent ASes?<br>
&gt; If<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;yes, state it out.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a req=
uirement<br>
&gt; for<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;flow based load balance.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet =
L2VPN<br>
&gt; across<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;multi-ASes<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces ar=
e required<br>
&gt; for<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these=
 service<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use c=
ases where<br>
&gt; the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Lucy<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; From: Giles Heron &lt;giles.heron at <a href=3D"http=
://gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; To: &quot;l2vpn at <a href=3D"http://ietf.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank">ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;l2vpn at <a href=3D"http://ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req<=
br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Message-ID: &lt;755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32=
 at <a href=3D"http://gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-0=
1" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-0=
1</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; please comment to the list as to the suitability of =
this draft<br>
&gt; for<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN =
WG.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.<br=
>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Nabil &amp; Giles<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Lucy,

On 4/17/13 3:29 AM, "Lucy yong" <lucy.yong@huawei.com> wrote:

>Check the diff. btw 01 and 02. Following new text need to be revised.
>
>1) [ENTROPY-LABEL] should be [RFC6790]. Correct it in the reference
>section too.
>2) the contributor's affiliation and address should be included.
>3) replace contributers with contributors

Sure, I'll incorporate them into the next rev.

>
>One comment:
>There is a strong desire to apply EVPN inside DC to support
>multi-tenancy, in which additional requirements are necessary. We can
>either include the requirements in this document or will have another
>document to address those requirements. The additional requirements in my
>minds are 1) Support VM mobility 2) EVPN over IP infrastructure 3) EVPNs
>interworking for multi-subnets 4) traffic optimization over
>infrastructure network, etc. Can we decide where to include these req.
>prior to progressing the draft?

At this late stage in the process, we cannot introduce any extensive text
and new requriements or else we will never be able to close the document.
I have already incorporated your last batch of comments during the WG LC
in November and this call is supposed to review those edits and ensuring
we have captured the resolutions to those comments. This call is NOT
intended to introduce yet another set of new requirements. We already have
documents in NOV3 that captures DC specific requirements and no need to
replicate them here.

Cheers,
Ali

>
>Cheers,
>Lucy
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Giles Heron
>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:57 PM
>> To: Ali Sajassi
>> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>>=20
>> Thanks Ali,
>>=20
>> WG - please do respond if you see any issues with rev02.  Given that
>> the IPR poll has closed, and that all authors have now responded, we
>> plan to move ahead with publishing this draft as an RFC unless we get
>> substantive comments relating to the changes between rev01 and rev02 by
>> the end of this week (i.e. by Friday April 19th).
>>=20
>> thanks.
>>=20
>> Giles
>>=20
>> On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:24, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>> >
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > As I noted in my email below (Feb/24), all the WG LC comments haven
>> been addressed in rev02 of this draft. Some of the comments ask for
>> better clarify in the text for some of the requirements and thus
>> suggesting following the text with some explicit requirements. As the
>> result, a few additional requirements were added to sections 4.3, 4.6,
>> and 10. Please review the changes  and let me know if you have any
>> questions.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
>> > Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:10 PM
>> > To: "Giles Heron (giheron)" <giheron@cisco.com>, "Bitar, Nabil N"
>> <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>
>> > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
>> > Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>> >
>> >
>> > Giles, Nabil:
>> >
>> > Today, I went over all the WG LC comments one more time to ensure
>> that all the comments posted to the WG mailing list have been resolved.
>> I have published rev02 with all the comment resolutions.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> >
>> > 	* To: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>, Lucy yong
>> <lucy.yong at huawei.com>
>> > 	* Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>> > 	* From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi at cisco.com>
>> > 	* Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:53 +0000
>> >
>> > Giles, Nabil:
>> >
>> > I think all the comments regarding this last call have been resolved.
>> I
>> > have already incorporated them into the next rev. of the draft.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > On 11/4/12 1:02 PM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Thanks Lucy,
>> > >
>> > >authors - I'd like to see you address Yuanlong and Lucy's comments.
>> > >Perhaps you can discuss face-to-face this week?
>> > >
>> > >Once the comments have been addressed we can progress the draft
>> further.
>> > >
>> > >thanks.
>> > >
>> > >Giles
>> > >
>> > >On 4 Nov 2012, at 19:40, Lucy yong <lucy.yong at huawei.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I support this draft but have some comments.
>> > >>
>> > >> 1) in section 4.3, Text: The latter scenario often means that
>> requiring
>> > >>a dedicated
>> > >>   link between the PEs, for the operation of the multi-homing
>> > >>mechanism, is not appealing from cost standpoint.
>> > >>
>> > >> Comment: a dedicated link between PEs. will this link is in IGP
>> link
>> > >>too? or private link.
>> > >> May PE nodes that are multi-homed to a same CE be different ASes?
>> If
>> > >>yes, state it out.
>> > >>
>> > >> 2) in section 4.6, the last paragraph should state a requirement
>> for
>> > >>flow based load balance.
>> > >>
>> > >> 3) It should add one requirement in supporting Ethernet L2VPN
>> across
>> > >>multi-ASes
>> > >>
>> > >> 4) As the draft mentioned, the new service interfaces are required
>> for
>> > >>DC interconnection. If DC uses NVo3 in future, will these service
>> > >>interfaces are still necessary? Suggest giving some use cases where
>> the
>> > >>new service interfaces are necessary in an appendix.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >> Lucy
>> > >>
>> > >>> ------------------------------
>> > >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:34:53 +0100
>> > >>> From: Giles Heron <giles.heron at gmail.com>
>> > >>> To: "l2vpn at ietf.org" <l2vpn at ietf.org>
>> > >>> Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req
>> > >>> Message-ID: <755C3ABB-ADE3-42EE-8BE1-FBBEDB84BC32 at gmail.com>
>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
>> > >>>
>> > >>> This email initiates an L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-req-01
>> >
>> > >>>
>> > >>> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft
>> for
>> > >>> publication as a Standards Track RFC from the L2VPN WG.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> this last call will close on Friday 2nd November.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Nabil & Giles
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>


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Hi Giles,

On 4/17/13 7:29 AM, "Giles Heron" <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>The evpn-overlay for DC is an individual draft.  As I stated at IETF86
>it's not clear if it fits into our current charter.  IIRC we also
>discussed this at IETF85 - the issue is that NVO3 isn't doing solutions
>yet, but people are already working (as individuals) on solutions.  We
>have allowed them to present those solutions in L2VPN but we're not going
>to adopt them as WG docs any time soon.


I would just like to clarify that during IETF86, the discussion regarding
in-scope/out-of-scope was for evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding and not
evpn-overlay. The former talks about an IRB-based solution to address IP
forwarding between different subnets while performing L2 forwarding within
a subnet; whereas, the latter discusses how EVPN control plane can be used
with VXLAN encapsulation and I believe the latter fits well within the
current L2VPN charter.

I can see how this confusion is arising because I presented the two drafts
back to back.

Cheers,
Ali =20


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Hi *,

The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY (section
9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL (section 9.4.1).
Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the hypervisor,
there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D routes. I fully
agree with that statement.

Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in section
9.2.1 of the base draft?

Thank you.
Jorge




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Hi Jorge,

Eth A-D route per ESI is used for mass withdraw and that's why it is
mandatory in a multi-homed operation. If the device is single-homed, then
ESI=3D0 and thus there is no Ether A-D route per ESI.

Cheers,
Ali

On 4/22/13 12:25 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
<jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>Hi *,
>
>The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY (section
>9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL (section 9.4.1).
>Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the hypervisor,
>there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D routes. I fully
>agree with that statement.
>
>Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in section
>9.2.1 of the base draft?
>
>Thank you.
>Jorge
>
>
>


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Hi Ali,

Thank you.

OK, my point was that in a network with no multi-homed PEs (some DC
use-cases), the A-D routes are not used at all, hence they are not really
mandatory.=20

The MANDATORY statement is within the MH functions section, so I guess I
didn't take that into account when I read "mandatory". Maybe an statement
re-enforcing the fact that they are "mandatory as long as any multi-homing
functions are needed" would help to avoid the confusion?

My other only additional comment is that it would be nice to see in
section 5.1 of the evpn-overlay draft a paragraph explaining that, even
though A-D routes are not required to be generated, they might be required
to be interpreted if there are remote multi-homed NVEs.

Thanks.
Jorge

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ali Sajassi   (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:09 PM
To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org"
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Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes

>
>Hi Jorge,
>
>Eth A-D route per ESI is used for mass withdraw and that's why it is
>mandatory in a multi-homed operation. If the device is single-homed, then
>ESI=3D0 and thus there is no Ether A-D route per ESI.
>
>Cheers,
>Ali
>
>On 4/22/13 12:25 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
><jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi *,
>>
>>The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY (section
>>9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL (section
>>9.4.1).
>>Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the hypervisor,
>>there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D routes. I fully
>>agree with that statement.
>>
>>Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in section
>>9.2.1 of the base draft?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>


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Hi Jorge,

On 4/22/13 1:38 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
<jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>Hi Ali,
>
>Thank you.
>
>OK, my point was that in a network with no multi-homed PEs (some DC
>use-cases), the A-D routes are not used at all, hence they are not really
>mandatory.=20
>
>The MANDATORY statement is within the MH functions section, so I guess I
>didn't take that into account when I read "mandatory". Maybe an statement
>re-enforcing the fact that they are "mandatory as long as any multi-homing
>functions are needed" would help to avoid the confusion?

O.K. I'll add a sentence to this effect.

>
>My other only additional comment is that it would be nice to see in
>section 5.1 of the evpn-overlay draft a paragraph explaining that, even
>though A-D routes are not required to be generated, they might be required
>to be interpreted if there are remote multi-homed NVEs.


Yes, Thomas Morin had the same comment at the IETF86. We'll add a
paragraph or so to describe this.

Cheers,
Ali

>
>Thanks.
>Jorge
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ali Sajassi   (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>
>Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:09 PM
>To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org"
><l2vpn@ietf.org>
>Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
>
>>
>>Hi Jorge,
>>
>>Eth A-D route per ESI is used for mass withdraw and that's why it is
>>mandatory in a multi-homed operation. If the device is single-homed, then
>>ESI=3D0 and thus there is no Ether A-D route per ESI.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Ali
>>
>>On 4/22/13 12:25 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
>><jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi *,
>>>
>>>The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY
>>>(section
>>>9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL (section
>>>9.4.1).
>>>Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the
>>>hypervisor,
>>>there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D routes. I fully
>>>agree with that statement.
>>>
>>>Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in section
>>>9.2.1 of the base draft?
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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From: Satya Mohanty <smohanty@juniper.net>
To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)" <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
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Hi Jorge/Ali,

I would prefer to retain the status quo i.e. let the per ES AD Route stay a=
s MANDATORY.

It's already stated that a single-homed sites can put the ESI to be 0.
What an implementation may do with this route (if it does not have any mult=
i-homing need) is up to the implementation.=20

My point is, whether a given PE implements Multi-homing or not, if it recei=
ves the per ES AD route from another PE, it has to treat it accordingly i.e=
. do the mass withdraw procedures.

Thanks,
--Satya



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li Sajassi (sajassi)
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge); l2vpn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes

Hi Jorge,

On 4/22/13 1:38 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
<jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>Hi Ali,
>
>Thank you.
>
>OK, my point was that in a network with no multi-homed PEs (some DC=20
>use-cases), the A-D routes are not used at all, hence they are not=20
>really mandatory.
>
>The MANDATORY statement is within the MH functions section, so I guess=20
>I didn't take that into account when I read "mandatory". Maybe an=20
>statement re-enforcing the fact that they are "mandatory as long as any=20
>multi-homing functions are needed" would help to avoid the confusion?

O.K. I'll add a sentence to this effect.

>
>My other only additional comment is that it would be nice to see in=20
>section 5.1 of the evpn-overlay draft a paragraph explaining that, even=20
>though A-D routes are not required to be generated, they might be=20
>required to be interpreted if there are remote multi-homed NVEs.


Yes, Thomas Morin had the same comment at the IETF86. We'll add a paragraph=
 or so to describe this.

Cheers,
Ali

>
>Thanks.
>Jorge
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ali Sajassi   (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>
>Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:09 PM
>To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org"
><l2vpn@ietf.org>
>Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
>
>>
>>Hi Jorge,
>>
>>Eth A-D route per ESI is used for mass withdraw and that's why it is=20
>>mandatory in a multi-homed operation. If the device is single-homed,=20
>>then
>>ESI=3D0 and thus there is no Ether A-D route per ESI.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Ali
>>
>>On 4/22/13 12:25 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
>><jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi *,
>>>
>>>The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY=20
>>>(section 9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL=20
>>>(section 9.4.1).
>>>Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the=20
>>>hypervisor, there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D=20
>>>routes. I fully agree with that statement.
>>>
>>>Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in=20
>>>section
>>>9.2.1 of the base draft?
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>




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Hi Satya,

I think we are basically saying the same thing. Actually my suggestion was
to add "an statement re-enforcing the fact that A-D routes per ESI are
mandatory as long as any multi-homing functions are needed". Mass withdraw
procedures are indeed part of the multi-homing functions, that must be
followed not only on the multi-homed PEs but also on the remote PEs (even
if they have no ESIs different from zero).

Normally you have EVPN networks with at least one non-reserved ESI, but
when applied to NVO3, we might have EVPNs where all the NVEs reside in
hypervisors, hence no need for A-D per ESI generation/processing.

Thank you.
Jorge



-----Original Message-----
From: Satya Mohanty <smohanty@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:53 PM
To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>, Jorge Rabadan
<jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes

>Hi Jorge/Ali,
>
>I would prefer to retain the status quo i.e. let the per ES AD Route stay
>as MANDATORY.
>
>It's already stated that a single-homed sites can put the ESI to be 0.
>What an implementation may do with this route (if it does not have any
>multi-homing need) is up to the implementation.
>
>My point is, whether a given PE implements Multi-homing or not, if it
>receives the per ES AD route from another PE, it has to treat it
>accordingly i.e. do the mass withdraw procedures.
>
>Thanks,
>--Satya
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
>Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:19 PM
>To: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge); l2vpn@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
>
>Hi Jorge,
>
>On 4/22/13 1:38 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
><jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi Ali,
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>OK, my point was that in a network with no multi-homed PEs (some DC
>>use-cases), the A-D routes are not used at all, hence they are not
>>really mandatory.
>>
>>The MANDATORY statement is within the MH functions section, so I guess
>>I didn't take that into account when I read "mandatory". Maybe an
>>statement re-enforcing the fact that they are "mandatory as long as any
>>multi-homing functions are needed" would help to avoid the confusion?
>
>O.K. I'll add a sentence to this effect.
>
>>
>>My other only additional comment is that it would be nice to see in
>>section 5.1 of the evpn-overlay draft a paragraph explaining that, even
>>though A-D routes are not required to be generated, they might be
>>required to be interpreted if there are remote multi-homed NVEs.
>
>
>Yes, Thomas Morin had the same comment at the IETF86. We'll add a
>paragraph or so to describe this.
>
>Cheers,
>Ali
>
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Jorge
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Ali Sajassi   (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>
>>Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:09 PM
>>To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org"
>><l2vpn@ietf.org>
>>Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
>>
>>>
>>>Hi Jorge,
>>>
>>>Eth A-D route per ESI is used for mass withdraw and that's why it is
>>>mandatory in a multi-homed operation. If the device is single-homed,
>>>then
>>>ESI=3D0 and thus there is no Ether A-D route per ESI.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Ali
>>>
>>>On 4/22/13 12:25 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
>>><jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi *,
>>>>
>>>>The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY
>>>>(section 9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL
>>>>(section 9.4.1).
>>>>Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the
>>>>hypervisor, there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D
>>>>routes. I fully agree with that statement.
>>>>
>>>>Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in
>>>>section
>>>>9.2.1 of the base draft?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you.
>>>>Jorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>


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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Satya Mohanty <smohanty@juniper.net>, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)" <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
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Hi,

For the per ES and per EVI Ethernet AD route and the Ethernet Segment route=
, the ESI field must be a globally unique non-zero value.  For the MAC Adve=
rtisement route, per section 10.2.2, the ESI field may be zero.

So, a single homed site cannot advertise a per ES Ethernet AD route with an=
 ESI of zero.  It can however advertise a per ES Ethernet AD route with a g=
lobally unique non-zero ESI value.  I.e., there is no detectable difference=
 between this case and a multi-homed site with only one active PE.=20

Irrespectively Yours,

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Satya Mohanty
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:54 PM
> To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge); l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
>=20
> Hi Jorge/Ali,
>=20
> I would prefer to retain the status quo i.e. let the per ES AD Route
> stay as MANDATORY.
>=20
> It's already stated that a single-homed sites can put the ESI to be 0.
> What an implementation may do with this route (if it does not have any
> multi-homing need) is up to the implementation.
>=20
> My point is, whether a given PE implements Multi-homing or not, if it
> receives the per ES AD route from another PE, it has to treat it
> accordingly i.e. do the mass withdraw procedures.
>=20
> Thanks,
> --Satya
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:19 PM
> To: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge); l2vpn@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
>=20
> Hi Jorge,
>=20
> On 4/22/13 1:38 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
> <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>=20
> >Hi Ali,
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >OK, my point was that in a network with no multi-homed PEs (some DC
> >use-cases), the A-D routes are not used at all, hence they are not
> >really mandatory.
> >
> >The MANDATORY statement is within the MH functions section, so I guess
> >I didn't take that into account when I read "mandatory". Maybe an
> >statement re-enforcing the fact that they are "mandatory as long as
> any
> >multi-homing functions are needed" would help to avoid the confusion?
>=20
> O.K. I'll add a sentence to this effect.
>=20
> >
> >My other only additional comment is that it would be nice to see in
> >section 5.1 of the evpn-overlay draft a paragraph explaining that,
> even
> >though A-D routes are not required to be generated, they might be
> >required to be interpreted if there are remote multi-homed NVEs.
>=20
>=20
> Yes, Thomas Morin had the same comment at the IETF86. We'll add a
> paragraph or so to describe this.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Ali
>=20
> >
> >Thanks.
> >Jorge
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Ali Sajassi   (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>
> >Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:09 PM
> >To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l2vpn@ietf.org"
> ><l2vpn@ietf.org>
> >Subject: Re: draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn-03 and MANDATORY A-D routes
> >
> >>
> >>Hi Jorge,
> >>
> >>Eth A-D route per ESI is used for mass withdraw and that's why it is
> >>mandatory in a multi-homed operation. If the device is single-homed,
> >>then
> >>ESI=3D0 and thus there is no Ether A-D route per ESI.
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Ali
> >>
> >>On 4/22/13 12:25 PM, "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)"
> >><jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi *,
> >>>
> >>>The draft states that the use of A-D routes per ESI is MANDATORY
> >>>(section 9.2.1), whereas the use of A-D routes per EVI is OPTIONAL
> >>>(section 9.4.1).
> >>>Draft-sd-l2vpn-overlay-01 states that when NVEs reside on the
> >>>hypervisor, there is no need for MH, hence there is no need for A-D
> >>>routes. I fully agree with that statement.
> >>>
> >>>Shouldn't we change the use of A-D routes per ESI to OPTIONAL in
> >>>section
> >>>9.2.1 of the base draft?
> >>>
> >>>Thank you.
> >>>Jorge
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>=20
>=20
>=20



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Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science


We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on  
the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP 
( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia 
from University of Georgia, USA.


We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper 
with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous 
fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: 

(1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa
(2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic
(3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance
(4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model 
(5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer
(6). Laptop is an example for a super computer
(7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware


Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning.  However, it 
was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without 
any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a 
payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the 
fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman 
of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from 
WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. 


We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts 
to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP.  DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped 
indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See 
http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the 
conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of
http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers 
about WORLDCOMP. 


The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific
to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than 
having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever!


Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, 
using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing 
out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published 
in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) 
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using 
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to 
threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). 
That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published 
at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. 


Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has 
refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image 
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is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. 


The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee 
members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact 
details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! 

Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for 
all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal 
the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many 
papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at 
the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 


Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop 
this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. 


We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities 
http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com   Search Google using the 
keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.

