From nobody Mon Oct 2 08:18:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3sm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3sm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E07134695; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DHcwzYPvHgKr; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.telecomitalia.it (mx02.telecomitalia.it [217.169.121.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DED7134694; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: d9a97916-d25ff700000002cc-b7-59d258c49d68 Received: from TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local ( [10.14.252.27]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx02.telecomitalia.it () with SMTP id 5B.FD.00716.4C852D95; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:18:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Fioccola Giuseppe To: Aijun Wang , "l3sm@ietf.org" , "l2sm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [L3sm][L2sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service Thread-Index: AdM7jwmvOhRxeqNQTXyc1m2Qg+iqpw== Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 15:18:27 +0000 Message-ID: <38ffa9f963344f7baa746da6fc0edd57@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.14.252.250] x-ti-disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_38ffa9f963344f7baa746da6fc0edd57TELMBXB02RM001telecomit_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrDKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCxfdHWvdIxKVIg6U/JCzuvHzJaPF14kJW iy2df9gdmD2WLPnJ5LGmeS5bAFNUA6NNYl5efkliSapCSmpxsq2SS2Zxck5iZm5qkUJIak5q cn6ukkJmiq2SsZJCQU5icmpual6JrVJiQUFqXoqSHZcCBrABKsvMU0jNS85PycxLt1XyDPbX tbAwtdQ1VLILLE0tLslXyE0tLk5MT8/MV0hNWC+Y8WtSJ0tBxy7GikvH57E1MG5cxtjFyMkh IWAi0XDhKWsXIxeHkMBUJomTZ7+xgyTYBGwkDr46wQZiiwjkSUz7vYYZxBYWcJWYuP8NK0Tc XeLu30WMELaexP9d18F6WQRUJKY9/wJWzysQKPH6zXwmEJtRQFZiwm6IemYBcYkX00+wQxwh ILFkz3lmCFtU4uXjf6wQtoHE1qX7WCBsRYlJp55CxWUkFh6ZzAoxJ19iw/U/LBC7BCVOznzC MoFRaBaSFbOQlM1CUgYR15FYsPsTG4StLbFs4WtmGPvMgcdMyOILGNlXMYrmVhgY6ZVAYi2z JDEnM1Evs2QTIzBJ3FxZKbaDsXWt8yFGAQ5GJR7e236XIoVYE8uKK3MPMUpwMCuJ8B7yAQrx piRWVqUW5ccXleakFh9i9AGG2ERmKdHkfGACyyuJNzSxsDQ0trAwMrQwM8UhrCTOu5QDaJZA OjBZZaemFqQWwYxj4uCUamBUa7E6svejfECK5VJbjepzxY974xbfsZz99HoddyOHsegBM7fl W95dObux/bY/78oK6dltrI8u3ODOv1kll20rbFai8WHD/74Tk+Scv/1XMP3Dw7ouw7KMN+u8 X+YRl1fMV04sXH54hrhoS/szrmj9f1t1VPZqPJhw60LK0zevmKq3PX9Ww8mjxFKckWioxVxU nAgApjPF7j8DAAA= Archived-At: Subject: [L3sm] R: [L2sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service X-BeenThere: l3sm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: L3VPN Service YANG Model discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 15:18:33 -0000 --_000_38ffa9f963344f7baa746da6fc0edd57TELMBXB02RM001telecomit_ content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Aijun, That looks like a reasonable proposal to me. The first thing we can do is to= add new qos-profiles for eMBB, URLLC, mMTC services (see below). Also service-oam can be useful to verify the resource allocation and the en= d to end performance. So, of course, we can use VPN service model to offer these services and, we= can consider that the service orchestrator is responsible of the mapping be= tween service characteristics and slicing by using L2SM. Best Regards, Giuseppe identity customer-application { description "Base identity for customer application."; } identity web { base customer-application; description "Identity for Web application (e.g., HTTP, HTTPS)."; } identity mail { base customer-application; description "Identity for mail application."; } identity file-transfer { base customer-application; description "Identity for file transfer application (e.g., FTP, SFTP)."; } identity embb { base customer-application; description "Identity for eMBB application;"; } identity urllc { base customer-application; description "Identity for URLLC application;"; } identity mmtc { base customer-application; description "Identity for mMTC application;"; } Da: L3sm [mailto:l3sm-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Aijun Wang Inviato: sabato 30 settembre 2017 09:52 A: l3sm@ietf.org; l2sm@ietf.org Oggetto: [L3sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service Hi, All: IP convergence is continuing to drive new classes of devices to begin commun= icating via IP. Examples of such devices could include STB boxes for IP vid= eo distribution, cell tower electronics (macro or micro cells), infrastructu= re Wi-Fi access points, and devices for machine-to-machine (M2M) or Internet= of Things (IoT) applications. In some cases, these classes of devices represent a very large deployment ba= se, on the order of thousands or even millions of devices network-wide. In 5= G slicing case, three typical services offered to these devices are 1. Enhanced Mobile Broadband(eMBB) 2. Ultra-Reliable and Low Lantency Communication (URLLC) 3. Massive Machine Type Communications (mMTC) These services demand the network performance with wide variety of character= istics such as data rate, latency, loss rate, reliability and many other par= ameters. My question is the followings: 1. Can we use VPN service model to offer such kind of new services to= customers? 2. Should we define new services characteristic that is based on the n= ew slicing capabilities provided by network devices? Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, print= ing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended reci= pient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sender= by return e-mail, Thanks. 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Hi Aijun,

That looks like a reasonable proposal to me. The fir= st thing we can do is to add new qos-profiles for eMBB, URLLC, mMTC services= (see below).

Also service-oam  can be useful to verify the resource allocat= ion and the end to end performance.

So, of course, we can use VPN service model to offer these services= and, we can consider that the service orchestrator is responsible of the ma= pping between service characteristics and slicing by using L2SM.

 

Best Regards,

 

Giuseppe

 

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Da: L3sm [mailto:l3sm-bounces@ietf.org]
Per conto di Aijun Wang

Inviato: sabato 30 settembre 2017 09:52

A: l3sm@ietf.org; l2sm@ietf.org

Oggetto: [L3sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service






 <=
/o:p>


Hi, All:


IP convergence is continuing to drive new classes of devices to begin c=
ommunicating via IP.  Examples of such devices could include STB boxes=
 for IP video distribution, cell tower electronics
 (macro or micro cells), infrastructure Wi-Fi access points, and devices for=
 machine-to-machine (M2M) or Internet of Things (IoT) applications.


In some cases, these classes of devices represent a very large deployme=
nt base, on the order of thousands or even millions of devices network-wide.=
 In 5G slicing case, three typical
 services offered to these devices are


1. Enhanced Mobile Broadband(eMBB)


2. Ultra-Reliable and Low Lantency Communication (URLLC)


3. Massive Machine Type Communications (mMTC)


These services demand the network performance with wide variety of char=
acteristics such as data rate, latency, loss rate, reliability and many othe=
r parameters.


My question is the followings:



1.      
Can we use VPN service model to offer such kind of new services=
 to customers?




2.      
Should we define new services characteristic that is based on t=
he new slicing capabilities provided by network devices?



 


 


Best Regards.


 


Aijun Wang


Network R&D and Operation Support Department


China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, C=
hina.


 


 


 
Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle= persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante d= alla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora a= bbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di da= rne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie.

This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privil= eged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying,= printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intende= d recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the s= ender by return e-mail, Thanks.

Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non è necessa= rio.
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[DB]
I think you mean "and" here not "or". :)  I'm not a= n XPath expert but I expect you can write:

    must "!derived-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:slaac') and !derive= d-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:provider-dhcp-slaac')" {

That would be
must "not(derived-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:slaac')) and= not(derived-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:provider-dhcp-slaac'))"= ; {

But perhaps this is a trifle simpler:
must "not(derived-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:slaac') or d= erived-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:provider-dhcp-slaac'))" {

/jan

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Jan Lindblad (jlindbl= a) [mailto:jlindbla@cisco.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD= =CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA10=D4=C2= 10=C8=D5 22:57
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: David Ball -X (daviball - ENSOFT LIMITED at Cisco)
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Qin Wu; l3sm
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [L3sm] New Version Notification for draft-wu-l3sm-rfc8049bis-03.txt

 

[D= B]
I think you mean "and" here not = "or". :)  I'm not an XPath expert but I expect you can write= :

    must "!derived-fro= m-or-self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:slaac') and !derived-from-or-self(current()= , 'l3vpn-svc:provider-dhcp-slaac')" {

 

That would be=

must "not(derived-from-or-= self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:slaac')) and not(derived-from-or-self(current(),= 'l3vpn-svc:provider-dhcp-slaac'))" {

 

But perhaps this is a trifle si= mpler:

must "not(derived-from-or-= self(current(), 'l3vpn-svc:slaac') or derived-from-or-self(current(), 'l3vp= n-svc:provider-dhcp-slaac'))" {

&n= bsp;

[Qin]: Tha= nk Jan for the proposed change as an XPATH expert, I prefer the second one = you proposed.

 = ;

/jan

 

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Thank A= ijun to raise this interesting question,

I think= the L3SM model has defined various customer applications by using identity= ,

Custome= r applications that can be offered by VPN include web, mail, p2p, voice, vi= deo,etc.

but new= application  identities may be added through augmentation.=

Yes, eM= BB, URLLC, mMTC are new emerging  service that can be offered if 5G sl= icing want to leverage VPN technology.

But one= thing I am not sure is whether service model should be aware of network sl= icing, to me, I think network slicing is more related to<= /p>

how the= service is delivered, how the resource is allocated/isolated/partitioned.<= o:p>

In many= cases, we can take advantage of existing models developed by IETF such as = I2RS topology model, TE topology model to understand underlying<= /span>

Network= capacity, capability, resource distribution, and then allocate resource ba= sed on customer service requirements provided by service model.<= /span>

&n= bsp;

Another= problem we have to offer such kind of service is:

What ki= nd of network technology can be used to realize such service?

Yes, we= can add new application identity for eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service, but I doub= t we should add any other new service characteristic besides

Ones we= have already defined under QoS profile in service model.=

&n= bsp;

-Qin

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: L3sm [mailto:l3sm-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA= =B1=ED Aijun Wang
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA9=D4=C230=C8=D5 15:52
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: l3sm@ietf.org; l2sm@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [L3sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service

 

Hi, All:

IP convergence is continuing to= drive new classes of devices to begin communicating via IP.  Examples= of such devices could include STB boxes for IP video distribution, cell to= wer electronics (macro or micro cells), infrastructure Wi-Fi access points, and devices for machine-to-machine (M2M) or Internet = of Things (IoT) applications.

In some cases, these classes of= devices represent a very large deployment base, on the order of thousands = or even millions of devices network-wide. In 5G slicing case, three typical= services offered to these devices are

1. Enhanced Mobile Broadband(eM= BB)

2. Ultra-Reliable and Low Lante= ncy Communication (URLLC)

3. Massive Machine Type Communi= cations (mMTC)

These services demand the netwo= rk performance with wide variety of characteristics such as data rate, late= ncy, loss rate, reliability and many other parameters.

My question is the followings:<= o:p>

1= .   &= nbsp;   Can we use VPN service = model to offer such kind of new services to customers?

2= .   &= nbsp;   Should we define new se= rvices characteristic that is based on the new slicing capabilities provide= d by network devices?

 

 

Best Regards.=

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation S= upport Department

China Telecom Corporation Limit= ed Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China.

 

 

 

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Thanks = Giuseppe for the proposed change, this is what I thought at this moment as = well.

&n= bsp;

-Qin

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: L2sm [mailto:l2sm-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Fioccola Giuseppe
=B7=A2=CB=CD= =CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA10=D4=C2= 2=C8=D5 23:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Aijun Wang; l3sm@ietf.org; l2sm@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [L2sm] R: [L3sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service<= /span>

 

Hi Aijun,

That looks like a reasonable proposal to me. The first thing we c= an do is to add new qos-profiles for eMBB, URLLC, mMTC services (see below)= .

Also service-oam  can be useful to verify the resource alloc= ation and the end to end performance.

So, of course, we can use VPN service model to offer these servic= es and, we can consider that the service orchestrator is responsible of the= mapping between service characteristics and slicing by using L2SM.

 

Best Regards,

 

Giuseppe

 

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n {
     description
      "Base ident=
ity for customer application.";=

    }
    identity web {
     base customer-applicat=
ion;
     description
      "Identity f=
or Web application (e.g., HTTP, HTTPS).";<=
o:p>
    }
    identity mail {
     base customer-applicat=
ion;
     description
      "Identity f=
or mail application.";

    }


    identity file-transfer {


     base customer-applicat=
ion;


     description


      "Identity f=
or file transfer application (e.g., FTP, SFTP).";


    }


    identity embb {


     base custome=
r-application;


     description<=
/span>


     =A1=B0Identity=
 for eMBB application;=A1=B1;

    }


    identity urllc {


     base custome=
r-application;


     description<=
/span>


     =A1=B0Identity=
 for URLLC application;=A1=B1;<=
/pre>

     }


     identity mmt=
c {


      base c=
ustomer-application;


      descri=
ption


      =A1=B0=
Id=
entity for mMTC application;=A1=B1;


     }


 


 






Da: L3sm [mailto:l3sm-bounces@ietf.org]
Per conto di Aijun Wang

Inviato: sabato 30 settembre 2017 09:52

A: l3sm@ietf.org; 
l2sm@ietf.org

Oggetto: [L3sm] Using VPN to offer eMBB, URLLC, mMTC service






 


Hi, All:


IP convergence is continuing to=
 drive new classes of devices to begin communicating via IP.  Examples=
 of such devices could include STB boxes for IP video distribution, cell to=
wer electronics (macro or micro cells), infrastructure
 Wi-Fi access points, and devices for machine-to-machine (M2M) or Internet =
of Things (IoT) applications.


In some cases, these classes of=
 devices represent a very large deployment base, on the order of thousands =
or even millions of devices network-wide. In 5G slicing case, three typical=
 services offered to these devices are


1. Enhanced Mobile Broadband(eM=
BB)


2. Ultra-Reliable and Low Lante=
ncy Communication (URLLC)


3. Massive Machine Type Communi=
cations (mMTC)


These services demand the netwo=
rk performance with wide variety of characteristics such as data rate, late=
ncy, loss rate, reliability and many other parameters.

My question is the followings:<=
o:p>



1=
.   &=
nbsp;  
Can we use VPN service =
model to offer such kind of new services to customers?




2=
.   &=
nbsp;  
Should we define new se=
rvices characteristic that is based on the new slicing capabilities provide=
d by network devices?



 


 


Best Regards.=



 


Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation S=
upport Department


China Telecom Corporation Limit=
ed Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China.


 


 


 








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