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From: Eric Rosen <erosen@cisco.com>
To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir
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Jeffrey, thanks for your comments.

> There are the following two paragraphs in their respective sections:

   When the Flat Partitioned Method is used to implement the
   "Partitioned Sets of PEs" method of supporting C-BIDIR, as discussed
   in section 11.2 of [MVPN] and section 3.6 of [RFC6517], a C-BIDIR
   flow MUST be carried only on an I-PMSI or on a (C-*,C-G-BIDIR),
   (C-*,C-*-BIDIR), or (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI.  A PE MUST NOT originate any
   (C-S,C-G-BIDIR) S-PMSI A-D routes. (Though it may of course originate
   (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D routes for C-G's that are not C-BIDIR groups.)
   Packets of a C-BIDIR flow MUST NOT be carried on a (C-S,C-*) S-PMSI.

   ...

   When the Hierarchical Partitioned Method is used to implement the
   "Partitioned Sets of PEs" method of supporting C-BIDIR, as discussed
   in section 11.2 of [MVPN] and section 3.6 of [RFC6517], a C-BIDIR
   flow MUST be carried only on an I-PMSI or on a (C-*,C-G-BIDIR),
   (C-*,C-*-BIDIR), or (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI.  A PE MUST NOT originate any
   (C-S,C-G-BIDIR) S-PMSI A-D routes. (Though it may of course originate
   (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D routes for C-G's that are not C-BIDIR groups.)
   Packets of a C-BIDIR flow MUST NOT be carried on a (C-S,C-*) S-PMSI.

> Clearly, there is no difference between hierarchical partition and flat
> partition in this regard.

How about if I remove these paragraphs from section 3.2.1 and 3.2.2
respectively, and add a single paragraph at the front of section 3.2 that
begins "When either the Flat or the Hierarchical Partitioned method is used
..."

> The following does not seem to be correct in 3.2.2:

   As in [MVPN] and [MVPN-BGP], an S-PMSI A-D route does not need to be
   originated by a particular PE, say PE1, until PE1 has received a
   "join" indicating that some other PE is interested in receiving a
   C-flow whose C-S or C-RP(A) is reachable from PE1 via a VRF
   interface.

> For example, if the S-PMSI is used to carry unidirectional traffic from
> PE2 (not PE1), or to carry bidirectional traffic on sender-only branches?

I will remove this paragraph.

> For the following in 3.2.2.2:

   Note that the PE Distinguisher Label to be used is the one assigned
   by the root of the P-tunnel to the address of PE2, not the one
   assigned to the address of PE1.  Note also that the root of the
   P-tunnel might be a PE other than PE1 or PE2.

> It is for bidirectional flows. For unidirectional flows, the label
> assigned by the root for PE1 need to be used.

Two paragraphs before the paragraph you cite it says "the remainder of this
section applies only to C\-BIDIR flows".  So your point is correct, but so
is the draft ;-)

> 3.2.2.3. When an I-PMSI is a 'Match for Transmission'

   ...

   If the C-flow is a BIDIR-PIM C-flow with group address C-G-BIDIR, the
   rules as applied by PE1 are the same as those given in section
   3.2.1.2.

> 3.2.1.2 does not talk about labels. We should add some text here about labels.

I think it is sufficient to add:

   "Note that if a matching I-PMSI A-D route is found, the PTA of that route
   will have a non-zero MPLS label.  This label must be pushed on each
   packet of the C-flow before that packet is transmitted through the
   P-tunnel identified in the PTA."

   


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Eric,

> How about if I remove these paragraphs from section 3.2.1 and 3.2.2
> respectively, and add a single paragraph at the front of section 3.2 that
> begins "When either the Flat or the Hierarchical Partitioned method is us=
ed
> ..."

Even with unpartitioned method?

> > For the following in 3.2.2.2:
>=20
>    Note that the PE Distinguisher Label to be used is the one assigned
>    by the root of the P-tunnel to the address of PE2, not the one
>    assigned to the address of PE1.  Note also that the root of the
>    P-tunnel might be a PE other than PE1 or PE2.
>=20
> > It is for bidirectional flows. For unidirectional flows, the label
> > assigned by the root for PE1 need to be used.
>=20
> Two paragraphs before the paragraph you cite it says "the remainder of th=
is
> section applies only to C\-BIDIR flows".  So your point is correct, but s=
o
> is the draft ;-)

But shouldn't we also talk about unidirectional flows, since it is not cove=
red in 6625? 3.2.2.3 does cover that.

Jeffrey

=20


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Covering Prefixes Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4
        Authors         : Huajin Jeng
                          Luay Jalil
                          Ron Bonica
                          Yakov Rekhter
                          Keyur Patel
                          Lucy Yong
                          Xiaohu Xu
	Filename        : draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2014-05-06

Abstract:
   This document defines a new ORF-type, called the "Covering Prefixes
   ORF (CP-ORF)".  CP-ORF is applicable in Virtual Hub-and-Spoke VPNs.
   It also is applicable in BGP/MPLS Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Networks.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Global Table Multicast with BGP-MVPN Procedures
        Authors         : Jeffrey Zhang
                          Lenny Giuliano
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Karthik Subramanian
                          Dante J. Pacella
                          Jason Schiller
	Filename        : draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04.txt
	Pages           : 23
	Date            : 2014-05-12

Abstract:
   RFC6513, RFC6514, and other RFCs describe protocols and procedures
   which a Service Provider (SP) may deploy in order offer Multicast
   Virtual Private Network (Multicast VPN or MVPN) service to its
   customers.  Some of these procedures use BGP to distribute VPN-
   specific multicast routing information across a backbone network.
   With a small number of relatively minor modifications, the very same
   BGP procedures can also be used to distribute multicast routing
   information that is not specific to any VPN.  Multicast that is
   outside the context of a VPN is known as "Global Table Multicast", or
   sometimes simply as "Internet multicast".  In this document, we
   describe the modifications that are needed to use the MVPN BGP
   procedures for Global Table Multicast.



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All,

quite a bit of time has passed since the end date of the WG LC ...
We are formally closing it and will move the draft forward.

-m

Le 06/01/2014 16:17, thomas.morin@orange.com a écrit :
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri, which is considered mature and
> ready for a working group review.
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> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version
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Hello WG,

in order to progress the document towards the IESG, could you please let 
Thomas & I know of existing or planned implementations of what 
draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri specifies.

Thank you
-m


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Encoding mLDP FECs in the NLRI of BGP MCAST-VPN Routes
        Authors         : IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Uwe Joorde
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-05.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2014-05-20

Abstract:
   Many service providers offer "BGP/MPLS IP VPN" service to their
   customers.  Existing IETF standards specify the procedures and
   protocols that a service provider uses in order to offer this service
   to customers who have IP unicast and IP multicast traffic in their
   VPNs.  It is also desirable to be able to support customers who have
   MPLS multicast traffic in their VPNs.  This document specifies the
   procedures and protocol extensions that are needed to support
   customers who use the Multicast Extensions to Label Distribution
   Protocol (mLDP) as the control protocol for their MPLS multicast
   traffic.  Existing standards do provide some support for customers
   who use mLDP, but only under a restrictive set of circumstances.
   This document generalizes the existing support to include all cases
   where the customer uses mLDP, without any restrictions.



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Hello,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group 
item of the l3vpn working group.

Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this 
poll, to facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of 
multicast routing in the global routing table.

Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you support 
adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until June 5th.



*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
and 5378 for more details).

==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any 
relevant IPR.

The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
each author and contributor.

If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please 
explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet 
been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you,

Martin & Thomas
l3vpn co-chairs

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04


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I'm not aware of any relevant IPR.

-Lenny

On Wed, 21 May 2014, Thomas Morin wrote:

| Hello,
| 
| This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
| draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group item of
| the l3vpn working group.
| 
| Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this poll, to
| facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of multicast
| routing in the global routing table.
| 
| Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you support
| adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).
| 
| This poll runs until June 5th.
| 
| 
| 
| *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
| applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
| compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
| and 5378 for more details).
| 
| ==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please
| respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
| relevant IPR.
| 
| The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
| each author and contributor.
| 
| If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly
| respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in
| conformance with IETF rules.
| 
| Thank you,
| 
| Martin & Thomas
| l3vpn co-chairs
| 
| [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04
| 


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To: Lenny Giuliano <lenny@juniper.net>, "EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>
Subject: RE: [pim] Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04
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Me neither.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pim [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Giuliano
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:33 AM
> To: EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com
> Cc: mboned@ietf.org; draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-
> mcast@tools.ietf.org; l3vpn@ietf.org; pim@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [pim] Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-
> table-mcast-04
>=20
>=20
> I'm not aware of any relevant IPR.
>=20
> -Lenny
>=20
> On Wed, 21 May 2014, Thomas Morin wrote:
>=20
> | Hello,
> |
> | This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> | draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group
> item of
> | the l3vpn working group.
> |
> | Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this
> poll, to
> | facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of
> multicast
> | routing in the global routing table.
> |
> | Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you
> support
> | adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).
> |
> | This poll runs until June 5th.
> |
> |
> |
> | *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> | applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> | compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> | and 5378 for more details).
> |
> | =3D=3D> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please
> | respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> | relevant IPR.
> |
> | The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
> | each author and contributor.
> |
> | If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
> explicitly
> | respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been
> disclosed in
> | conformance with IETF rules.
> |
> | Thank you,
> |
> | Martin & Thomas
> | l3vpn co-chairs
> |
> | [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-
> mcast-04
> |
>=20
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> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

I am not aware of any relevant IPR.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP ACCEPT_OWN Community Attribute
        Authors         : James Uttaro
                          Pradosh Mohapatra
                          David J. Smith
                          Robert Raszuk
                          John Scudder
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community-08.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2014-05-28

Abstract:
   Under certain conditions it is desirable for a BGP route reflector to
   be able to modify the Route Target list of a VPN route that is
   distributed by the route reflector, enabling the route reflector to
   control how a route originated within one VRF is imported into other
   VRFs.  This technique works effectively as long as the VRF that
   exports the route is not on the same PE as the VRF(s) that import the
   route.  However, due to the constraints of the BGP protocol, it does
   not work if the two are on the same PE.  This document describes a
   modification to the BGP protocol allowing this technique to work when
   the VRFs are on the same PE, allowing the technique to be used in a
   standard manner throughout an autonomous system.


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