From nobody Wed Oct 1 07:52:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87EA1ACE36 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:52:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zk8urvG3v_ia for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 663A11ACE21 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id cc10so850418wib.13 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L8Uz4GnpwtToRAeDoMFWl433HN0rEdACnBme+gDZX5Y=; b=Fz0VaKJkhpxgoZwko5CgLAVnUYj+uhLHoWG5fetgMhwSQrbF/XvK72RlSjoOv5NO5X YSSDwKNqCHCfY+sXEw6nrjsnZ08dIa8WrFE8OBKGcLczNqcz2DzIxDNaz5DEl9Xrmkbp uWFOVKA94bNs16XT5dUscyaoI5quqJFuUEWSytjmvBpVpl7HnzuS/68QB4Ry91h6fOJp n5La4LPICEjFnFTy8ELINw0egfeKmvVCuQwGRGFDUJjuSarvGgHcmuz3g4wRrEAl4i8U /fJH38zPeqb91i4A1BwRsWn/VjUxfW/QfLSvV+RKdfZDkqePOPMUtna6prZNEQf9IA5/ lClg== X-Received: by 10.194.77.195 with SMTP id u3mr22090759wjw.115.1412175136083; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-271-16.w2-12.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.12.162.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ce1sm1453916wjc.2.2014.10.01.07.52.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <542C151D.6090003@orange.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 16:52:13 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements --> adopted! References: <5409BFC1.1000301@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5409BFC1.1000301@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/d8PNkTxjWiQ7DQ89pI6JfguNqaw X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 14:52:22 -0000 Hello, This call for adoption is closed and we have consensus to adopt the draft as a working group item. Can the authors please resubmit as draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements? Thanks, -Thomas 2014-09-05, Thomas Morin : > Hello working group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements [1] as a working group item. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in the later case, please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until **September 19th**. > > > *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that > applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in > compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 > and 5378 for more details). > > ==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant IPR. > > The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from > each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG mailing list but are not listed as an author > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you, > > Martin & Thomas > l3vpn chairs > > [1] > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-03 > From nobody Thu Oct 2 10:13:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4D71A8979 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:13:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wKlOJ0FZGIpn for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x229.google.com (mail-yh0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F96A1A895E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i57so834899yha.14 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:13:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Z7fOADXiOj9J1ogKVV44cp86a4eW1DVajW7YyeWbpwA=; b=dfouFBCkWkOclfZc37Aw+L5bQ2KMzK1UbCsP4IpXrAFrDrUSSRxFAK3CchlJm18a5m bcd2g9Ukkc9BXqMo7LsQh8dhBBiNdOeIdSeF1e4rMUXPPUekP/71r4hTDl6OA4P7d2oL VYjDxrgbukNBwUlnbSmAzzJpPFGP9bodtGd5cR8vlPyJjdeotIC92wKPHV2Fxw5j6jQh slCCg1gSCWD+Fa3vdewsxPkO8B2b25tXDOCzEjsp4er4tncz0vZZvHNoH9ZfmgdJqJFz w1Ygaah3OjiL63Agi38uUulSyz0ZNPCPrYFFWJu2wgV+iROepmoAcQ7cy8QD3wp2m1Yt O9hA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.11.133 with SMTP id 5mr225820yhx.174.1412270029738; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.92.193 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:13:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <542C151D.6090003@orange.com> References: <5409BFC1.1000301@orange.com> <542C151D.6090003@orange.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:13:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements --> adopted! From: Luyuan Fang To: Thomas Morin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133c93e731868050473bdc1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/ijI9TL7cwWEbbJKLLdHZDCbkrZs Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org, Luyuan Fang X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 17:13:52 -0000 --001a1133c93e731868050473bdc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thomas, Thanks! Will do. Luyuan On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Thomas Morin wrote: > Hello, > > This call for adoption is closed and we have consensus to adopt > the draft as a working group item. > > Can the authors please resubmit as draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system- > requirements? > > Thanks, > > -Thomas > > > > 2014-09-05, Thomas Morin : > >> Hello working group, >> >> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >> draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements [1] as a working group item. >> >> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >> not (in the later case, please also state the reasons). >> >> This poll runs until **September 19th**. >> >> >> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that >> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in >> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 >> and 5378 for more details). >> >> ==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please >> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any >> relevant IPR. >> >> The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from >> each author and contributor. >> >> If you are on the L3VPN WG mailing list but are not listed as an author >> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of >> any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Martin & Thomas >> l3vpn chairs >> >> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system- >> requirements-03 >> >> > --001a1133c93e731868050473bdc1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thomas,

Thanks! Will do.
Luyu= an

On = Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<= /a>> wrote:
Hello,

This call for adoption is closed and we have consensus to adopt
the draft as a working group item.

Can the authors please resubmit as draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requi= rements?

Thanks,

-Thomas



2014-09-05, Thomas Morin :
Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements [1] as a working group item= .

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until **September 19th**.


*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
and 5378 for more details).

=3D=3D> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any rele= vant IPR.

The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG mailing list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of
any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you,

Martin & Thomas
l3vpn chairs

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fan= g-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-03



--001a1133c93e731868050473bdc1-- From nobody Thu Oct 2 15:07:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAF21ACE11; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gb3zu0qNLsqX; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BC21ACE23; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.3.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141002220653.5225.28559.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:06:53 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/jU_3NSPQelmp3Zz4KqdqqLJnPDU Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 22:06:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs. Authors : Pedro Marques Luyuan Fang Nischal Sheth Maria Napierala Nabil Bitar Filename : draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2014-10-02 Abstract: This document describes a solution in which the control plane protocol specified in BGP/MPLS IP VPNs is used to provide a Virtual Network service to end-systems. These end-systems may be used to provide network services or may directly host end-to-end applications. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 2 21:55:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB431ACFFA; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rx7duev2KFPb; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896A11ACFE3; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.3.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141003045504.18079.74936.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 21:55:04 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/Fdrni7gEe_Dznrfz6s8Al-VYDy0 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 04:55:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Extending BGP/MPLS VPNs to End-Systems Authors : Maria Napierala Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2014-10-02 Abstract: The proven scalability and extensibility of the BGP/MPLS IP VPNs (IP VPN) technology has made it an attractive candidate for data center/cloud virtualization. Virtualized end-system environment imposes additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology. This document provides the requirements for extending IP VPN technology (in original or modified versions) into the end-systems/hosts, such as a server in a data center. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Oct 3 01:33:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA6B1A0194 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1QPYTACpPzHx for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2621E1A0188 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so1369914wiv.6 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z0DV+jk7XRymjIBprsxRe5jZ4msHmmxXtp6CsOP0/iQ=; b=dOwJqX6GrmfJG3QuY4wWZAm6yjv8bPL4EWYKePU5m8CMvZDf54nqwvPnV0ac6WHlzw 7awjU32SqumzrdSKk+bnPXsxSQYuH6hcffKOkxryDt+Ylj4gFRSILjzV9Q14N6Rsz2Xd VIPd1r6GwFznjdxurg0S+0UbTntCljnfczErlZxDT1/XPr0g0eK19ysG03OrjJ1wHL38 xBsbJFNpv98FhwYk4B1MUKpZynkIedT95vUiEb3cukNJdutkJUqwoUZnjdcH6U+FfDH1 3hhDS5GSJIWxLEeQgjkBeQLWnT2CRcC0OFx8mAeITLHxMF8fiE6sRE/533WhoNrWhIbL +Ing== X-Received: by 10.180.198.10 with SMTP id iy10mr10695751wic.10.1412325192784; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-271-16.w2-12.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.12.162.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cx1sm1349334wib.1.2014.10.03.01.33.11 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Oct 2014 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:33:10 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: L3VPN Subject: (2nd) WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/yl0lDF4QifrBVQ_W6JJPEKfVAlA X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:33:16 -0000 Hello working group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 [1]. This last call is related only to changes between -02 and -04. Note that draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 went through a Working Group Last Call, during which no significant issue was raised. However, my shepherd review lead to identify one major obstacle to publication, in the dependency on XEP-0248 specifications [2], which are not mature and whose progress is staled. The review also lead to other changes. Overall, the amount of changes is significant enough to impose us to do a new WG Last Call. Please review the changes, and send your comments to the list, no later than **October 17th**. For your convenience, the changes between -02 and -04: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04&url1=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 Thank you, -Thomas & Martin [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 [2] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0248.html From nobody Fri Oct 3 08:09:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E46D1A892C for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YerAFeZnoxoR for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0793.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::793]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B419D1A8796 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BL2PR03MB372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.89.15) by BL2PR03MB369.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.89.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1039.15; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:52:19 +0000 Received: from BL2PR03MB372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.89.15]) by BL2PR03MB372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.89.15]) with mapi id 15.00.1039.011; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:52:19 +0000 From: Luyuan Fang To: Thomas Morin Subject: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements --> adopted! 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Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:30:18 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , , , References: <20141003153712.10842.27062.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141003153712.10842.27062.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Subject: FW: WG Review: BGP Enabled Services (bess) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:30:12 +0100 Message-ID: <0a9e01cfdf27$4edfeb90$ec9fc2b0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHHpq1sE18ASYmn/XZhikB1G5mQQZwvAJqg Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-20994.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.231-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.231-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: rqmDq8+jU9O68Mln9Nwu0y/MZ1E/Ptpxt3aeg7g/usAutoY2UtFqGEvV O7EcQqdbJmLqKu2yqdnvkzitR82DjT+YkS80Uv51CFaAixm5eU+Hxi2fvkKUM0SVpnjjB2vkwRz 9azOIZGMlpVclvjJJDCTmHbEJ0nNdeYojpvrZ9+cS3RGfZcILv6SrVYfmfZT8Ed+K6O5Nt53zb5 kmgp405TmoOWEBgQUvShDPPqb0JNqCLUZ3A9cbBWgws6g0ewz2lnrMq7Sriu3jsTquy0JRi+sDA +IumPfLMiP3JgLmy75SQfAAka0pZqoDZpNjSrDV1x307doliZvomPrNi98UBPgnJH5vm2+gNTDt WcfAQQpR8ca2I5imNDobWbmQlX1eX/LM4Em7bYIx87MtvE/hlZqCl1R34jDPOcqlsYvgKFXeDaw 3ixkM75zRNqTUNarR1GzjMWYTqTl+HQEHIpIak691/YHX0i1lfS0Ip2eEHny+qryzYw2E8M8943 oc3p3sq7rFUcuGp/EgBwKKRHe+rzNvLsMhxFYGMHRy6p/Q3pO5ZDbVa/ELbdAYjCh7rOTCcTlGM E7gGsw= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/k6QE_7XPONpZ5jl0h9BBMjY_hw4 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 16:30:23 -0000 Heads-up. BESS charter is in IETF-wide review. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The > IESG > Sent: 03 October 2014 16:37 > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: bess WG > Subject: WG Review: BGP Enabled Services (bess) > > A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Routing Area. The IESG > has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was > submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send > your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg at ietf.org) by 2014-10-13. > > BGP Enabled Services (bess) > ------------------------------------------------ > Current Status: Proposed WG > > Assigned Area Director: > Adrian Farrel > > Mailing list > Address: bess@ietf.org > To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/bess/ > > Charter: > > BGP is established as a protocol for provisioning and operating Layer-3 > (routed) Virtual Private Networks (L3VPNs). It is also used in certain > Layer-2 Virtual Private Networks (L2VPNs). > > The BGP Enabled Services (BESS) working group is responsible for > defining, specifying, and extending network services based on BGP. In > particular, the working group will work on the following services: > > - BGP/MPLS IP VPN solutions (based on RFC4364 and RFC4659) for > supporting provider-provisioned L3VPNs including methods for enabling > multicast over BGP/MPLS VPNs. > > - BGP-enabled L2VPNs (as described in RFC 4664) that operate over IP or > MPLS packet switched network tunnels. All types of L2VPN are in scope > provided they utilize BGP for discovery, signaling, or for some other > purposes related to the VPN. But L2VPN solutions that operate over > pseudowires or use LDP and that do not utilize BGP will be addressed > by the PALS working group. Any contention in placement of the work > between these working groups will be resolved by the chairs. > > - BGP-enabled VPN solutions for use in the data center networking. > This work includes consideration of VPN scaling issues and > mechanisms applicable to such environments. > > - Extensions to BGP-enabled VPN solutions for the construction of > virtual topologies in support of services such as Service Function > Chaining. > > The working group may also suggest new services to be supported by BGP > and these may be added to the working group charter subject to > rechartering. > > The working group may work on: > > - Mechanisms to support BGP-enabled services in the presence of multi- > homing of Customer Edge (CE) devices to multiple Provider Edge (PE) > devices to provide load-balancing and resilience. > > - Auto-discovery of sites that participate in the BGP-enabled service. > > - Data models for modeling, managing, and operating BGP-based services > using SMI or YANG. > > - OAM or resiliency mechanisms operating over BGP-enabled services. But > native data plane OAM mechanisms may be worked on only in conjunction > with the working groups responsible for the relevant data planes. > > - Extensions to BGP and extensions to YANG models for BGP. All such > work must be reviewed by the IDR WG, but the decision to request > publication of such work remains with the BESS WG. > > The working group will also coordinate with other working groups where > appropriate. For example, with the MPLS working group for issues > related to the MPLS architecture, and the NVO3 working group for > coordination of protocols to support data center VPNs. > > The BESS working group will not define new data plane or forwarding > plane encapsulations. > > Milestones: From nobody Mon Oct 6 00:36:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BB11A1B57; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 00:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KrNDrVfd-Eou; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 00:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com (mail-wg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78AA41A1B51; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 00:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id m15so5735421wgh.4 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:36:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=UC728S6i09FVCNwg/Arh0Fwr+DM6ErwxlJ7YSb6G6ig=; b=IHqbxqxv2PRWzkOOQ6Ws3Fm9dCsgTltVZjCJQIuCPPHFyEx6IXHbbfwCH31QoeQ/hs F6vWm+KDv1cl7QMGX8VJmBQwnY+gIYeBEKqG9EmFTznc/S3opkW8+Mj793pFokCw1DDX D7vwGeJgNaEw7F4r5Qyq+JOTX1uJKlCoEaCsxIN2UsSkE6eWtw2eYhd87vLCwmK2os17 nXeVPMd67lfVcjn5AAHHbyOZovzdNjwStL9Bi/vCaCJ6w2ubeWw+IUTCVFMxKOfDLqjP +1fVTZcPdL8DGcpnV8Sg4gt5+k33Nc0MGt0HsKiGOu81fXWZf4ZzVjAy0KjfJDwTIbuQ J4Sw== X-Received: by 10.180.103.106 with SMTP id fv10mr17613814wib.53.1412580964848; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-271-16.w2-12.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.12.162.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xm4sm10419316wib.9.2014.10.06.00.36.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54324662.1090702@orange.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 09:36:02 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-l2vpn-evpn@tools.ietf.org Subject: Fwd: (2nd) WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system / MAC Mobility References: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060005090002000705030301" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/nwofc3YkgdmCpjNo93Vk_Zol7Os Cc: L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 07:36:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060005090002000705030301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Just a heads-up: this is about a WG Last Call in l3vpn, but interesting to l2vpn because the draft proposes to reuse the MAC Mobility attribute from E-VPN. Feedback from E-VPN authors, in particular, would be welcome. Said otherwise: let's have this reviewed as if we were already in BESS. ;) Cheers, -Thomas --------------060005090002000705030301 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="(2nd) WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="(2nd) WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system" Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (10.98.84.132) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.1.183) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.195.1; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:33:22 +0200 Received: from omfedm09.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.98.62.17]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 6CC63238056; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from omfedm09.si.francetelecom.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by omfedm09.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with SMTP id 5B0E02DC185; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [4.31.198.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relais-inet.francetelecom.com (ESMTP service) with ESMTPS id B64232DC216; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:33:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544891A0196; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1412325198; bh=PkOO9479AuCsz8vqLJII7yyE/qQ1e8YoNftkKxv86Xg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive: List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:Sender; b=fdEWZ1HYezX40qUQmR+tAh3Sfc6PSOw3ShlI6dr83yC+RDKZlPyqTn30hSPQZRZxS XyLACshhjQsVJ+d/D4z/gX88fFMqvtavX0KIQ950Ean/rOCpBfoSotMLUnLKwVrpNP dv9tAQhcEbiRt+BIV2glvB2EoJpIM0pTffKR9sQw= X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA6B1A0194 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1QPYTACpPzHx for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2621E1A0188 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so1369914wiv.6 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z0DV+jk7XRymjIBprsxRe5jZ4msHmmxXtp6CsOP0/iQ=; b=dOwJqX6GrmfJG3QuY4wWZAm6yjv8bPL4EWYKePU5m8CMvZDf54nqwvPnV0ac6WHlzw 7awjU32SqumzrdSKk+bnPXsxSQYuH6hcffKOkxryDt+Ylj4gFRSILjzV9Q14N6Rsz2Xd VIPd1r6GwFznjdxurg0S+0UbTntCljnfczErlZxDT1/XPr0g0eK19ysG03OrjJ1wHL38 xBsbJFNpv98FhwYk4B1MUKpZynkIedT95vUiEb3cukNJdutkJUqwoUZnjdcH6U+FfDH1 3hhDS5GSJIWxLEeQgjkBeQLWnT2CRcC0OFx8mAeITLHxMF8fiE6sRE/533WhoNrWhIbL +Ing== X-Received: by 10.180.198.10 with SMTP id iy10mr10695751wic.10.1412325192784; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-271-16.w2-12.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.12.162.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cx1sm1349334wib.1.2014.10.03.01.33.11 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Oct 2014 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:33:10 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: L3VPN Subject: (2nd) WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/yl0lDF4QifrBVQ_W6JJPEKfVAlA X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Sender: L3VPN X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.10.3.82121 Return-Path: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AVStamp-Mailbox: Sophos;1901861634;0;PM X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SCL: -1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello working group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 [1]. This last call is related only to changes between -02 and -04. Note that draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 went through a Working Group Last Call, during which no significant issue was raised. However, my shepherd review lead to identify one major obstacle to publication, in the dependency on XEP-0248 specifications [2], which are not mature and whose progress is staled. The review also lead to other changes. Overall, the amount of changes is significant enough to impose us to do a new WG Last Call. Please review the changes, and send your comments to the list, no later than **October 17th**. For your convenience, the changes between -02 and -04: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04&url1=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 Thank you, -Thomas & Martin [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 [2] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0248.html --------------060005090002000705030301-- From nobody Mon Oct 6 09:51:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DB31A86E2 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:51:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-W03CNouu9G for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC4AF1A8545 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s96GovJV016698; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:50:57 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s96GouBX016666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:50:57 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: New mailing list for BESS Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:50:49 +0100 Message-ID: <0f2301cfe185$af7a6dd0$0e6f4970$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/hhat1g86Mw/SDTg+e4pUvlOxzAw== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21000.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--6.225-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--6.225-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: JvjsYPbAHC8WStOcRJApAlfS8E9vfq82bb9qvlMXO4IifM7JMNHW6/rG SMtEVYY9gZDXO9WPbRXrRulnMc9qoDFoERThsqtXM0pZiLPQITrDHSNFHFxB80X5hc8ioB2+G5x Ljz78C8WknQ5gytPTKdy7JDsbsixnGAdnzrnkM485f9Xw/xqKXdivpTdmVCR22bNx1HEv7HAqtq 5d3cxkNR4XqXjQcxDh4xvcGaQ+xTmwJ9Fj0xk46hjyRSa5ng4vaEM7eIwokj4= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/njmFYouPkyYIqrhL4wjw6qZYEQY Cc: l3vpn-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 'Alia Atlas' X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:51:29 -0000 Hi, As the work to charter BESS progresses (the charter http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bess/charter/ has been put out for community review by the IESG). It is time to set up the mailing list for BESS. As may be expected, this will be bess@ietf.org Since BESS will subsume L3VPN, I have taken the liberty of asking the Secretariat to automagically subscribe everyone from L3VPN to BESS. At the moment the BESS list is best restricted to charter and scope discussions for the new working group, but my hope is that we will have BESS chartered in the very near future and we can switch all discussions from L3VPN to BESS. Thanks, Adrian From nobody Tue Oct 7 06:54:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA37E1ACD8D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XH57Ihs3gwDW for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C31C1A6F05 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hi2so9790087wib.5 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:54:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mwirWmALeugV6gQwDEkI34t14unY5s5bkhvagZIjfZ8=; b=m37PaQvzSR/sRxw5rGJKUOk2ACjI1AwuioXbRPKWfFK8mFlQslZcZ6U7WgUZ2NggtV Ormq9ih1mKil/I7Kx0TvQEn4/pSgKtPwzRHL5U0bBJXEIBGTBNHyJhA/wwkw4l69CbPd GZE5So+gy5nuYUIPzwdfpiTySlpvNd+xBKITcu7+o49mGye6DDT42WT0ytmfzYtYS+KA nUYdDaoMmVBCcTeHdSobSQ3m8BOeBLtKmtYTYaAV9s/zgA8rT6id2XA7a/ozWU58dttl abVtsbfqba0l+OyZ00XQEaOChR3+/rWMhCTqjRSeQv/v+trC/+Gs+43w5BgEzr24l3XF eYDA== X-Received: by 10.194.90.244 with SMTP id bz20mr5169404wjb.36.1412690044653; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-283-212.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.10.50.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm11834332wif.3.2014.10.07.06.54.02 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:54:01 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: L3VPN Subject: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/uBC_BkR-FLNHmI0Ks25-LYUKTUI Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, L3VPN ADs , draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:54:08 -0000 Hello working group, At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in June. The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate your opinion. Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed WG consensus. Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before **October the 21th**. Thank you, Thomas & Martin, l3vpn chairs [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ From nobody Tue Oct 7 06:54:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E71A6F1D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pmczeDg_T2Df for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2D101A6F05 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id cc10so9810528wib.2 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CW+oVSloaP+29MsLtzq2cz/HpIKyFeLbdSYtovnDC8Y=; b=XiE8hQQD+N1x5KyFeLQZePESFV7/qLK5upzZqfpuUsOEu4P9QvBjEtRP3vozHZZyrq oLCoBcDACOelxplg1E6Ua8mxMnSgoyH+a+xxF0rtZZ9zhSb7Aw8+668zpHkyDWgMIfRB w2/kMiWE2irz6deovHguUZRHHYYzZ8/lzI9b19BcXeGknJhb1sXq7CTErwXNnH+ZtLBq VpjNJJS9oEX+HKXC/eaMt6aq9mQK+JOZRjcV/svtZEpD1z4gU+g7Gph3SF8SD64+KN+p PjVF+HYPMTbFLmXWpkNS4ISpIv7ZCqeQX1XEKeIenBdaaNloYx/XUV+Dg8BxDCjncpwE gIOQ== X-Received: by 10.180.9.73 with SMTP id x9mr4680966wia.20.1412690047529; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-283-212.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.10.50.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u7sm14843656wif.7.2014.10.07.06.54.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <5433F07C.8080004@orange.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:54:04 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: L3VPN , draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir@tools.ietf.org Subject: (2nd) WG Last call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir related to late IPR disclosure References: <535A3E8C.3040508@orange.com> <53B167A6.9090302@orange.com> <53BC45A6.9000004@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <53BC45A6.9000004@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/oYUAdQtcNMot5HlKlxnBy1r_IZg Cc: L3VPN ADs X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:54:11 -0000 Hello working group, As mentioned in past emails, draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir is subject to a late IPR disclosure [1]. The IPR disclosure having been made [2], the working group is now given the opportunity to express a possibly revised position with regards to these specifications. They will be submitted to the IESG under the condition there is consensus to proceed. Consider this call as a working group last call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir. Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before **October the 21th**. Thank you, Thomas & Martin, l3vpn chairs [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2405 2014-07-08 21:25, Thomas Morin: > Hi everyone, > > We were made aware during shepherd review of yet undisclosed IPR > related to draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir. > This IPR is to our knowledge currently pending formal disclosure by > the owner. > > Unfortunately, although we were past the working group last call, the > document now has to go back to the working group. > As soon as the disclosure is formally filled out through the > datatracker tools, working group contributors will be given the > opportunity to express a revised position with regards to this document. > > Thanks for your understanding, > > -Thomas, > as co-chair & doc shepherd > > > Thomas Morin: >> Hi everyone, >> >> This working group last call is now closed and we will proceed with >> the next steps in the publication process in the next few weeks (but >> not before we have an answer to the usual IPR questions from all of >> the authors). >> >> Thank you, >> >> -Thomas >> >> >> Thomas Morin : >>> Hello working group, >>> >>> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on >>> draft-draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir, which is considered mature and >>> ready for a last call working group review. >>> >>> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version >>> yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than **May 10th**. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> -Thomas & Martin >>> >>> [ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir ] >>> >> > From nobody Tue Oct 7 13:06:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF861A1A28 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.902 tagged_above=-999 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MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.39] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/BYdxhymZlHE7dDFUtc2EFiTCdBs X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:21:16 -0000 Hello working group, This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet. Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version, and send your comments to the list, no later than October 22nd. No IPR disclosure exists against this document. Please note however that we recently reminded the authors to check for the existence of IPR and report that on the list, but we still miss a statement from one author. Thank you, Martin & Thomas From nobody Wed Oct 8 16:14:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB2D1A6F45; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i81A7cJYK2MN; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A68D1A0351; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:14:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-mapathak-interas-ab-01.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.3.p4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141008231417.15278.38583.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:14:17 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/6RHoZw10TTTLqrxpxZYzju8lsjs Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:14:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Inter-AS Option D for BGP/MPLS IP VPN Authors : Manu Pathak Keyur Patel Arjun Sreekantiah Filename : draft-mapathak-interas-ab-01.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2014-10-08 Abstract: This document describes a new option known as an Inter-AS option D to the 'Multi-AS Backbones' section of [RFC4364]. This option combines VPN VRFs at the Autonomous System Border Router (ASBR) as described in 'Option A' with the distribution of labeled VPN-IP routes as described in 'Option B'. In addition, this option allows for a data plane consisting of two methods of traffic forwarding between attached ASBR pairs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mapathak-interas-ab/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mapathak-interas-ab-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mapathak-interas-ab-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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<54353A42.9040109@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54353A42.9040109@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.38] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/d_U_t6LoXJYh7fYZSqbxpSdYQcs X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 12:25:33 -0000 All, we have now received the last statement. So, no IPR disclosure exists against this document and none of the authors knows IPR which applies to this draft and that would not have been disclosed. -m Le 08/10/2014 15:21, Martin Vigoureux a écrit : > Hello working group, > > This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet. > > Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version, > and send your comments to the list, no later than October 22nd. > > No IPR disclosure exists against this document. > Please note however that we recently reminded the authors to check for > the existence of IPR and report that on the list, but we still miss a > statement from one author. > > Thank you, > > Martin & Thomas > > > From nobody Fri Oct 10 00:41:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706101A1B3E for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 00:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kRksFLlXEed8 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 00:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 732901A1B42 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 00:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BKK08294; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:41:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.59) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:41:34 +0100 Received: from peky1z001750051 (10.111.80.111) by smtpscn.huawei.com (10.82.67.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:41:30 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: "'Thomas Morin'" , "'L3VPN'" References: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Subject: Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:41:30 +0800 Message-ID: <000001cfe45d$9bcc1b50$d36451f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac/iNjJ5oxjvcnwLTMKwU3YxoCwIngCJ0LWA Content-Language: zh-cn X-Originating-IP: [10.111.80.111] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/KvZQXxrIc3Ej6nevO4JoBU6rbFg Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, 'L3VPN ADs' , draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:41:38 -0000 Support Thanks Shunwan -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN [mailto:l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Thomas Morin =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 = 21:54 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org; L3VPN ADs; = draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Poll for adoption on = draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Hello working group, At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both=20 draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and=20 draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of=20 the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from=20 satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably=20 possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular=20 because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder = question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in = June. The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new=20 poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this=20 document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate=20 your opinion. Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed = WG consensus. Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before=20 **October the 21th**. Thank you, Thomas & Martin, l3vpn chairs [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 [2] = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ From nobody Fri Oct 10 07:49:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0CB1ACE0E for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id onMQx5Iy0Ww8 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x236.google.com (mail-qa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56B1D1ACE2E for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id i13so1754626qae.27 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=2+QM63kg/Kbln6NwNO0G6W2rC7zxWCqgO0R4I9iy6Zw=; b=TGOCuCOsTf98LNH4cHafzpbMis+/y9Bl+lmesHxHbpxICUiT8AEBAAVznHfsEyCsU4 MMxdV8h0+gTSgbGRrEoyHIxo6JoSFf9mLKZdQQQkd5Ic3abmtKjXkOMmTuWLFWmRghUP fJ7LyCDCHZxgBnAE6MzDLpRxUAaImP0fiEAFAHEvDWPqGIgB6RpB5BdY/tDQJte6Apg4 DW4atxM/g+7XGw1lkYwilZkTE7YEwSnjmMnR5kToVqU6J+OOMB4tIetvVb3Qrv/rlDwx EGcROZcUHmHxuLQAigQCQnPcSydW8Q2Ns58YPwv3mEodVbFI/8AjBotr/z0zvX1VVL9P 4qTg== X-Received: by 10.224.60.129 with SMTP id p1mr9230825qah.99.1412952520117; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.19.236 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:48:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> References: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure To: Thomas Morin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3d8d40bd74c050512a57c Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/zc9kt2QVjgzx3PkFugySnnc8mSI Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, L3VPN , draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, L3VPN ADs X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:48:56 -0000 --001a11c3d8d40bd74c050512a57c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thomas, The draft addresses a real problem and already has had several good rounds of discussion and revision on the list. So the original reasons for making it a WG draft haven't gone away. Regarding the IPR, as Lucy noted, Huawei is not asserting royalties. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Thomas Morin wrote: > Hello working group, > > At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes > and draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of > the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from satisfying > considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably possible after the > Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular because the information > was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder question was asked by > chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in June. > > The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new > poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. > > Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this > document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate > your opinion. > > Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed > WG consensus. > > Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before **October > the 21th**. > > Thank you, > > Thomas & Martin, > l3vpn chairs > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 > [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 > [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ > > --001a11c3d8d40bd74c050512a57c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thomas,

The draft addresses a real prob= lem and already has had several good rounds of discussion and revision on t= he list. So the original reasons for making it a WG draft haven't gone = away. Regarding the IPR, as Lucy noted, Huawei is not asserting royalties.<= /div>

Cheers,
Andy

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM, T= homas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
Hello working group,

At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-<= u>covering-prefixes and draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, = related to a patent by one of the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this = disclosure far from satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soo= n as reasonably possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), an= d in particular because the information was not provided when an IPR disclo= sure reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for = adoption in June.

The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new poll= for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2].
Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this doc= ument should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate your o= pinion.

Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed WG= consensus.

Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before **October t= he 21th**.

Thank you,

Thomas & Martin,
l3vpn chairs

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1
[2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonic= a-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03
[3] ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/


--001a11c3d8d40bd74c050512a57c-- From nobody Fri Oct 10 12:33:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11D81ACEF7 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LmBQI0327Zs7 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFBE51ACF09 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:33:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1417; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1412969624; x=1414179224; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0GGS4H3up7Tz1i3oaOKnJ/Yw5Z0N9FdsSdCPnwFaDJ8=; b=ShfMprpUXaKcZWdTjnD5BZCMRJSW3y+sWE0W+yxazJUPcX/hUsAD2UwJ QE+zPk1T/qWmrJrwoGFAh9Ej9XpzCf2IcTCVINXDRDeMfXXb0XCa5selr LSXU1XyOpGRQlBLRVmI4rF6i3EyR5hBgFGI/C5qVueluA288KpJ0odF1R 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFAMQzOFStJA2M/2dsb2JhbABggw5TWATLIYdNAoEFFgF7hAQCBB0dPxIBCDYFPSUCBAENBYg+Db9QAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF5BEB4RLBZF5hEKHEIEuPIMKjR+DfoI0gUNsAQGBRoECAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,693,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="362340393" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2014 19:33:43 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9AJXgo8031368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:42 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.4.28]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:33:42 -0500 From: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" To: Thomas Morin , L3VPN Subject: Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Thread-Topic: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Thread-Index: AQHP5MEY27Y8ApnSt0W48ofk2/XVJA== Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.154.209.7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/2GkOtQUzOBfhppG7bEbGAqPfO3Y Cc: "draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" , L3VPN ADs , "draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:51 -0000 Support as a co-author. Regards, Keyur On 10/7/14, 6:54 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: >Hello working group, > >At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both >draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and >draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of >the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from >satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably >possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular >because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder >question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in >June. > >The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new >poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. > >Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this >document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate >your opinion. > >Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed >WG consensus. > >Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before >**October the 21th**. > >Thank you, > >Thomas & Martin, >l3vpn chairs > >[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 >[2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 >[3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ > From nobody Fri Oct 10 13:47:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839491AD28D; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.688 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t5D32bFYdqiw; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CF41AD26E; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 90AF4181C7C; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:46:39 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 7385 on IANA Registry for P-Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel Type Code Points X-PHP-Originating-Script: 6000:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20141010204639.90AF4181C7C@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/fyORhqyR7g-QQjMbb-VLvdPkO1s Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, l3vpn@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:47:44 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7385 Title: IANA Registry for P-Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel Type Code Points Author: L. Andersson, G. Swallow Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: October 2014 Mailbox: loa@mail01.huawei.com, swallow@cisco.com Pages: 4 Characters: 6690 Updates: RFC6514 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-l3vpn-pmsi-registry-07.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7385.txt RFC 6514 created a space of Tunnel Type code points for a new BGP attribute called the "P-Multicast Service Interface Tunnel (PMSI Tunnel) attribute". However, the RFC did not create a corresponding IANA registry. There now is need to make further code point allocations from this name space. This document serves to update RFC 6514 in that it creates an IANA registry for that purpose. This document is a product of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Fri Oct 10 14:12:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4E1ACF02 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.486 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.486 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11N0Ovp3CEni for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fldsmtpe02.verizon.com (fldsmtpe02.verizon.com [140.108.26.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7C941A1A1F for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verizon.com; i=luay.jalil@verizon.com; q=dns/txt; s=corp; t=1412970938; x=1444506938; h=from:to:cc:date:subject:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=6QtabEy8qrd/5Tg/YQEvDIUuTc955fj2BjFRAANo2hg=; b=AdYlWqoAXCJxVus0mgkz4LlH2aEcLP3fSwCJZ6gq5pU03x/4B77/Si3x 4+HgtK+Q6eb9RqXr9TPhTETkj69SQtONjpTbMTDw6MwFRn/o1TVmS0vvB Gokc+h0AIWY1Y8HeJpYgaxkHFBGUxA3VavjSMpXQbQdUXiSPwdOMgm5Fh c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi03.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.145]) by fldsmtpe02.verizon.com with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2014 19:55:37 +0000 From: "Jalil, Luay" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,694,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217";a="843553743" Received: from fhdp1lumxc7hb03.verizon.com (HELO FHDP1LUMXC7HB03.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.59.190]) by fldsmtpi03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2014 19:55:37 +0000 Received: from FHDP1LUMXC7V32.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.125.33]) by FHDP1LUMXC7HB03.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.59.190]) with mapi; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:55:36 -0400 To: Thomas Morin , L3VPN Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:55:35 -0400 Subject: Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Thread-Topic: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Thread-Index: Ac/kxChgtnEC/Vp+RKmpEMTp14dA9A== Message-ID: References: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.4.140807 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D05DA3CF8BF5Eluayjaliloneverizoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/XemxJ6OGc3V9VVO6QoN787hWOxc X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:12:37 -0700 Cc: "draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" , L3VPN ADs , "draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:55:42 -0000 --_000_D05DA3CF8BF5Eluayjaliloneverizoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author Luay From: Thomas Morin = > Organization: Orange Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 at 8:54 AM To: L3VPN > Cc: L3VPN ADs >, = "draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" >, "draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org<= mailto:draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org>" > Subject: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes = related to late IPR disclosure Resent-To: >, Keyur Patel >, "luay.jalil@verizon.com" >,= Lucy Yong >, Ron Bonica = >, Xuxiaohu >, Yakov Rekhter >, >, > Hello working group, At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in June. The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate your opinion. Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed WG consensus. Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before **October the 21th**. Thank you, Thomas & Martin, l3vpn chairs [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ --_000_D05DA3CF8BF5Eluayjaliloneverizoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support as co-a= uthor

Luay

From: Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com>Organization: Orange
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 at 8:54 AMTo: L3VPN <l3vpn@ietf.org>
= Cc: L3VPN ADs <l3vpn= -ads@tools.ietf.org>, "draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tool= s.ietf.org" <draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org= >, "draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" <draft= -ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3= vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure
Resent-To: <= hj2387@att.com>, Keyur Patel <keyupate@cisco.com>, "l= uay.jalil@verizon.com" <lu= ay.jalil@verizon.com>, Lucy Yong <lucy.yong@huawei.com>, Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>, Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com>, Yakov Rekhter <yakov@juniper.net>, <akatlas@gmail.com>, <adrian@olddog.co.uk>

Hello working group,

At the end of Ju= ly, IPR has been disclosed on both
draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-coveri= ng-prefixes and
draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related = to a patent by one of
the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider th= is disclosure far from
satisfying considering the rules of BCP79= ("as soon as reasonably
possible after the Contribution is publ= ished" [1]), and in particular
because the information was not p= rovided when an IPR disclosure reminder
question was asked by ch= airs to authors, during the call for adoption in
June.

The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and ini= tiate a new
poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering= -prefixes-03 [2].

Knowing about this IPR [3], plea= se express your opinion on whether this
document should be adopt= ed or not by the Working Group. Please motivate
your opinion.

Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thu= s subject to renewed
WG consensus.

Plea= se send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before
**Oc= tober the 21th**.

Thank you,

<= div>Thomas & Martin,
l3vpn chairs

[3] https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/ipr/2397/


--_000_D05DA3CF8BF5Eluayjaliloneverizoncom_-- From nobody Sun Oct 12 04:54:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46431A8A90 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 04:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.686 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.686 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DFtw2LPkiqGR for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 04:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BA851A8A86 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 04:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3290E180131A for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <543A6C0C.70007@pi.nu> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:54:52 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/YogbH-dBhCxcicetie9-cC1k69U X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:54:53 -0000 Folks, I support this draft - and I'm not a co-author :) ! The draft addresses a real problem that need to be resolved, I've reviewed the late incoming IPR and as far as I can see the conditions are acceptable. /Loa On 2014-10-10 21:33, Keyur Patel (keyupate) wrote: > Support as a co-author. > > Regards, > Keyur > > On 10/7/14, 6:54 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > >> Hello working group, >> >> At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both >> draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and >> draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of >> the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from >> satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably >> possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular >> because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder >> question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in >> June. >> >> The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new >> poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. >> >> Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this >> document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate >> your opinion. >> >> Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed >> WG consensus. >> >> Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before >> **October the 21th**. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Thomas & Martin, >> l3vpn chairs >> >> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 >> [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 >> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ >> > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Sun Oct 12 06:50:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31741A1BBD for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 06:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.986 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.986 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZA9SpDEQuYa for ; 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Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:00:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zyX5M2zOnlo3; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FD41A0346; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Subject: Last Call: (Encoding mLDP FECs in the NLRI of BGP MCAST-VPN Routes) to Proposed Standard X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.3.p4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20141013160031.8916.69099.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:00:31 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/IBywLTDC5SRaxv6FbGjeNh5Jag4 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:00:40 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks WG (l3vpn) to consider the following document: - 'Encoding mLDP FECs in the NLRI of BGP MCAST-VPN Routes' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-10-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Many service providers offer "BGP/MPLS IP VPN" service to their customers. Existing IETF standards specify the procedures and protocols that a service provider uses in order to offer this service to customers who have IP unicast and IP multicast traffic in their VPNs. It is also desirable to be able to support customers who have MPLS multicast traffic in their VPNs. This document specifies the procedures and protocol extensions that are needed to support customers who use the Multicast Extensions to Label Distribution Protocol (mLDP) as the control protocol for their MPLS multicast traffic. Existing standards do provide some support for customers who use mLDP, but only under a restrictive set of circumstances. This document generalizes the existing support to include all cases where the customer uses mLDP, without any restrictions. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Wed Oct 15 12:09:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FF81A9165; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVi8b7N34A6J; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07851A9126; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:09:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-pe-ce-02.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141015190919.27731.10889.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:09:19 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/MFkzUO_r7BG9Zm3eC1GVEQdBLE4 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:09:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP as an MVPN PE-CE Protocol Authors : Keyur Patel Yakov Rekhter Eric C. Rosen Filename : draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-pe-ce-02.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2014-10-15 Abstract: When a Service Provider offers BGP/MPLS IP VPN service to its customers, RFCs 6513 and 6514 describe protocols and procedures that the Service Provider can use in order to carry the customer's IP multicast traffic from one customer site to others. BGP can be used to carry customer multicast routing information from one Provider Edge (PE) router to another, but it is assumed that PIM is running on the interface between a Customer Edge (CE) router and a PE router. This document specifies protocols and procedures that, under certain conditions, allow customer multicast routing information to carried between PE and CE via BGP. This can eliminate the need to run PIM on the PE-CE interfaces, potentially eliminating the need to run PIM on the PE routers at all. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-pe-ce/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-pe-ce-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-pe-ce-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Oct 15 13:06:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F0F1AC426; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZC7UKgOCP8s; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4CF1AC431; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:06:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-rosen-l3vpn-ir-02.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141015200606.18019.30386.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:06:06 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/9jnbCSw5ktiUmmvQzrEGI6sjimA Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:06:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Ingress Replication Tunnels in Multicast VPN Authors : Eric C. Rosen Karthik Subramanian Jeffrey Zhang Filename : draft-rosen-l3vpn-ir-02.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2014-10-15 Abstract: RFCs 6513, 6514, and other RFCs describe procedures by which a Service Provider may offer Multicast VPN service to its customers. These procedures create point-to-multipoint (P2MP) or multipoint-to- multipoint trees across the Service Provider's backbone. One type of P2MP tree that may be used is known as an "Ingress Replication (IR) tunnel". In an IR tunnel, a parent node need not be "directly connected" to its child nodes. When a parent node has to send a multicast data packet to its child nodes, it does not use layer 2 multicast, IP multicast, or MPLS multicast to do so. Rather, it makes n individual copies, and then unicasts each copy, through an IP or MPLS unicast tunnel, to exactly one child node. While the prior MVPN specifications allow the use of IR tunnels, those specifications are not always very clear or explicit about how the MVPN protocol elements and procedures are applied to IR tunnels. This document updates RFCs 6513 and 6514 by adding additional details that are specific to the use of IR tunnels. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-l3vpn-ir/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-l3vpn-ir-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rosen-l3vpn-ir-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Oct 15 23:01:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5101ACED3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tnqz33SekVAs for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D45A21ACECB for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:01:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1392; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1413439271; x=1414648871; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=18znKzCzse8sjWtg//VYBhoXY9fN6wi0CzXg1I2IT3g=; b=E1/DRHhQ3BWzNcKgBbbqfLqLQsRRYZFC6zh7Vd6xwEW8khn14AgDUtDG ZbrUA5KhwsVXXbxj3Trc2z7BA5EVSX3mbtZNUl+FCedMuH6URi83KzW5R BUAgax2RK3uPnBvZG8ZQDjpIbnCI02P0Um4KZXdrfiyNoyv0G7Em9ZjpH c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0FAMtdP1StJV2R/2dsb2JhbABbgmsjU1gEzAuHTQKBDRYBfYQDAgQdHT8SAQg2BT0lAgQBDQWIPgEMyT4BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXkE4HhEsFkX+ERIcSgTA8gwqNJ4N+gjSBQ2wBAYFGgQIBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,730,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="87423548" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2014 06:01:11 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com [173.37.183.88]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9G61B9C026519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:01:11 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([173.37.183.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:01:10 -0500 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: Thomas Morin , L3VPN Subject: Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Thread-Topic: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure Thread-Index: AQHP4jYzREmSASMxFkajdpd2UUhwYpwyJzQA Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.21.94.199] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <629C111698C3B74086CEC94561BFC0FD@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/--RJRbGZBWkGSCoLGVCnfBkTH_U Cc: "draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" , L3VPN ADs , "draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:01:14 -0000 Support -Ali On 10/7/14, 6:54 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: >Hello working group, > >At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both >draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and >draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of >the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from >satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably >possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular >because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder >question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in >June. > >The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new >poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. > >Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this >document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate >your opinion. > >Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed >WG consensus. > >Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before >**October the 21th**. > >Thank you, > >Thomas & Martin, >l3vpn chairs > >[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 >[2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 >[3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ > From nobody Thu Oct 16 10:09:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A951A19F0 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4v-fA3qX7abG for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B98A1A19F5 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s9GH934C021219 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:09:03 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s9GH91GI021190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:09:03 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: L3VPN transitioning to BESS Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:08:57 +0100 Message-ID: <024c01cfe963$e0333480$a0999d80$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/pY19dgzxCFXHlRdq7eklf6/Is5Q== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21032.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--6.630-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--6.630-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 439tFQybZ1rOf6FUr/HJkVfS8E9vfq82k4FdoXhNFg1B6C97myJg64r7 GzPHv3SHJHR60dTIPdr6/8A5t5NKXRgHZ8655DOPOX/V8P8ail3Yr6U3ZlQkdtmzcdRxL+xwKra uXd3MZDWIzEPTT8Q4cxKgcRkp348e/NvQCRhlcZWTQG11Hpn7IgmhJTqRxKt+ Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/yAnw14G4sx0VBIjLgXQB9Dell0g X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:09:41 -0000 Hi, The IESG just approved the formation of the BESS working group with the charter you can see in the datatracker. The formal announcement text will follow (probably tomorrow). Once I see the announcement I will close the L3VPN WG. Please move all of the in-charter discussions to the BESS list and keep on the good work. Thanks, Adrian From nobody Fri Oct 17 05:48:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6FC1ACD50; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZg_NItpRIha; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com (mail-wg0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBEFD1ACD48; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so832082wgg.1 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=snS2HCZLn9U6mzcXhePD5QurLlWMVMv1j1CDAP9led8=; b=CieokS7S8CVU/olWBPbIArdxn4s3qrZ3trHxyxS5LxCKqXvZFnUEeTI9VRDRxaUOs0 YT6kboQYahFceZjZRUu/OHeXHySS4HfNy1JZsYqoZorwiq3Jnna6N8u8cvTEeP9cZcud hTBSpiGtqJxhYlNCYoaTBSsX3tI9Im3bY8AVj5Ry/3bmLMu0tYQEo8NVp/E8SXkRCUjY vm4drGs/zfzTiBPm2PCGmxF5DBoruJeQtE48pyHEEPnThBIUd895Wf2hFeyaTk0vcHss DnLTNWbo8Rz+/49/GGesVXL/9G9+GBcq8ljVjx3znGUr0NR4oJ8PV1BLZ9Af6hDE8V7s uyIA== X-Received: by 10.194.81.38 with SMTP id w6mr10064054wjx.17.1413550080447; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-63-137.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.11.62.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lk6sm1583002wjb.26.2014.10.17.05.47.58 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54410FFD.1000509@orange.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:47:57 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: (2nd) WG Last Call for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system References: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <542E5F46.90803@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/rW_W99Qwq9poVXI9d43JS0wT4o4 Cc: L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:48:04 -0000 Hi everyone, This WG last call is closed, and draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system will now be submitted to IESG. Best, -Thomas 03/10/2014 10:33, Thomas Morin : > Hello working group, > > This email starts a Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 [1]. This last call is related only to > changes between -02 and -04. > > Note that draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 went through a Working Group > Last Call, during which no significant issue was raised. However, my > shepherd review lead to identify one major obstacle to publication, in > the dependency on XEP-0248 specifications [2], which are not mature > and whose progress is staled. The review also lead to other changes. > Overall, the amount of changes is significant enough to impose us to > do a new WG Last Call. > > Please review the changes, and send your comments to the list, no > later than **October 17th**. > > For your convenience, the changes between -02 and -04: > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04&url1=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 > > > Thank you, > > -Thomas & Martin > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 > [2] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0248.html > From nobody Fri Oct 17 06:16:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103B1ACD87; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:16:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JR1nP-T2ggOe; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB32A1ACD85; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so1227793wiv.6 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:16:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kOfz7rizjTFIUHJFvL7CFJATdFz0K7h8QKiylU5Tebo=; b=pmDEXHuLXTbQ4zPBa1acRtJA3orZo5J2ICVZkw2WnORjnu8gEWR7KYrmk0vfxs6QfR qw7/xSfmG80JNnX1uPiQOWFqou6ADGdVHCT0KP7gNyxa0sfDdYjQkK/tnpM4rwF/2mgy 1cbR0wjfwUyQoAFrut6o/8rG0sRAx253pZwdf8hp5pP9/6gjRHqaofjzJxLVGOdowbPB lKHpX4/GEdu2q9VaGibQdRrLIsDLqKrIqG03J8nGDvFVJqoUGIIp9dUq8HljmjJIy5VO F+dkR4xNcuJHRHemoudKU6rSkPZW9bQqIYqF4J7xOKx4bjxaIcjOGUOjGS0+6ofbPijJ 3PjA== X-Received: by 10.180.188.41 with SMTP id fx9mr13508787wic.59.1413551767545; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-63-137.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2.11.62.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l10sm5626378wif.20.2014.10.17.06.16.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54411694.4070400@orange.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:16:04 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org Subject: Request for publication of draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/5ga8WpHWXnZAzyMrBFkH0mE0pwM Cc: Adrian Farrel , draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system@tools.ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:16:11 -0000 IESG, The L3VPN WG requests that draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 be published as an RFC on the Standard track. The shepherd write-up is in the datatacker [1]. Thank you, -Thomas for the L3VPN/BESS WG [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/shepherdwriteup/ From nobody Sun Oct 19 11:36:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5641A1AC9 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2vCUaMJA9Ht2 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 895E01A1ABE for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id A5D163CDCD63D for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:36:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s9JIagU1026844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:36:42 +0200 Received: from [135.244.193.82] (135.239.27.39) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:36:41 +0200 Message-ID: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:36:38 +0200 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.39] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/v6JSAgmh9_0NcavtnbYtaJKWXyQ X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:36:46 -0000 Working Group, we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or status). Thank you M&T From nobody Sun Oct 19 12:01:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5411A1C04 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fa6egQpMhRFd for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB2391A1AD9 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 136EBE5D9BF21 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:00:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s9JJ0wtF004826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:00:58 +0200 Received: from [135.244.193.82] (135.239.27.39) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:00:58 +0200 Message-ID: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:00:51 +0200 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.39] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/KKOGAVUMdsPkedNG4NKZmG8-lQM X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:01:08 -0000 Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 From nobody Sun Oct 19 16:05:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777721A19F0 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:05:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CUFf3HXWAaS2 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0135.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) 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Oct 19 19:39:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CE21A1AD0 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:39:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2d623IygU25c for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 429591A0143 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > >Thank you > >M&T > >--- >[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > From nobody Sun Oct 19 19:59:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DF81A1AA1 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:59:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.711 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F6IYIVAa3SON for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fldsmtpe01.verizon.com (fldsmtpe01.verizon.com [140.108.26.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 669CA1A1B27 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:59:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verizon.com; i=nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com; q=dns/txt; s=corp; t=1413773974; x=1445309974; h=from:to:date:subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Oe5QaOOHmgqizaBfPEC6dhfqUOGrqvcBNxdtcbR+R18=; b=ovAe/BxY8LtXNQqsjoDsRS3z8Us9hM+nUL5URecyE5TkLvuK1GTop6rE pXJJDOlpS/P39PQXoTKnIMqKkHOJw9g+UA/zk0DsIPOzjqb9SeFB1P82A gJtD0s2nPVA0mxQQR7gQFsL202K67bserGeS+d+FYWZD/D1Z+2iCgKwNG c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi02.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.144]) by fldsmtpe01.verizon.com with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2014 02:59:32 +0000 From: "Bitar, Nabil N" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,749,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="848325130" Received: from fldp1lumxc7hb04.verizon.com (HELO FLDP1LUMXC7HB04.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.75.83]) by fldsmtpi02.verizon.com with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2014 02:59:32 +0000 Received: from fldp1lumxc7v63.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.45.45]) by FLDP1LUMXC7HB04.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.75.83]) with mapi; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:59:32 -0400 To: Martin Vigoureux , "l3vpn@ietf.org" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:57:12 -0400 Subject: RE: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: Ac/rzw3Flfb6DIkaR+mWLlFQJUihOQAQn6IF Message-ID: References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/wV9oeNRK5eYdPMBePxORbQqu7Yc X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:59:36 -0000 As a co-author, I support adopting this draft as a WG document. I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Thanks, Nabil ________________________________________ From: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Vigoureux [martin.= vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:00 PM To: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 From nobody Sun Oct 19 22:46:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DCA1A6FA0 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5b_bRVNxLbD for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C3271A6F9E for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:46:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1312; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1413783979; x=1414993579; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OYIOYg/k/wDRXmpor8lAuq95RbO4JCQlMO4FIcMTUco=; b=UL+FDZjccUOfjF0DReYjWEiepAh/7xKRsvg0GQwkFkSEIivCmD4lH+98 zMAwfgzAqyET55wtSH3wVddwL8MPq0Pm+esd4rmduOzhGzeMH14atujDd qqLzjBcnY6udpItMVfwrQqXNF57bNSEnh1BX/eXxaDJCYfP7Q7NRB2I8E c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYFADWgRFStJA2I/2dsb2JhbABbgmsjU1zME4dNAoEOFgF9hAMCBDo0BhcBCDZCJQIEARKIPwEMwBsBAQEBBgEBAQEej28RAVeESwWPZIIchEaHE4EwPIMKkSyDd2yBDzmBAwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,749,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="364675728" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2014 05:46:18 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9K5kH4l011327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:46:17 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:46:17 -0500 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: Martin Vigoureux , "l3vpn@ietf.org" Subject: Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP688U9f3Nj8WaeE6RYhZdpAyAspw4WSwA Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.21.90.185] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5769BAFDA95AA14EB1EE5213C10C8051@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/uIT4DzvuFKnPFDx9YqxouqnRO14 X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:46:19 -0000 Support. -Ali On 10/19/14, 12:00 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" wrote: >Hello Working Group, > >This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > >Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > >This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > >Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if >you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR >rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to >draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant >IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > >Thank you > >M&T > >--- >[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > From nobody Sun Oct 19 23:37:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FA01A1BEC; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 23:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P-xy6Y098j4W; 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Thx, R. PS. I am not sure why this poll still is under old mailer address .. adding BESS :) On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Martin Vigoureux wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you > are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > From nobody Mon Oct 20 06:28:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22F21A883D for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FvlbmvtLu4TF for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com [209.65.160.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F3951A87E7 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.229.24] (EHLO alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com) by nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-7.2.2-0) with ESMTP id c0d05445.2b7b0206f940.615164.00-2496.1681399.nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:24:28 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 54450d0c3e207e96-fd9b730c81f4c0542d59549c47ae172ca323277a Received: from unknown [144.160.229.24] (EHLO alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com) by nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-7.2.2-0) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id bbc05445.0.614446.00-2166.1679339.nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:23:09 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 54450cbd1fc571c8-9a9fa37a5a7d6449615876b06d0ae09abb382a94 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9KDN7dp014190; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:23:07 -0400 Received: from mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.239]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9KDMvEu014060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:23:02 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUBAF.ITServices.sbc.com (MISOUT7MSGHUBAF.itservices.sbc.com [130.9.129.150]) by mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:22:42 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSRCF.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.6.133]) by MISOUT7MSGHUBAF.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.9.129.150]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:22:42 -0400 From: "NAPIERALA, MARIA H" To: Martin Vigoureux , "l3vpn@ietf.org" Subject: RE: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP688OA94DCb9lGEW6QHzZNBFwt5w4+k0g Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:22:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1D70D757A2C9D54D83B4CBD7625FA80E01DA3506@MISOUT7MSGUSRCF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.70.197.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=X9rl3hve c=1 sm=1 a=dhB6nF3YHL5t/Ixux6cINA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=Z23By-V4KRIA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9] X-AnalysisOut: [zAlcOel0A:10 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUA] X-AnalysisOut: [AAA:8 a=qC0Qbe_mXMbValNFvocA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815d] X-AnalysisOut: [zVvQA:10] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/o686mwzTIDn38FdsKT_jbfsTW-k X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:28:19 -0000 I am not aware of any related IPR. Support as a co-author. Maria > -----Original Message----- > From: L3VPN [mailto:l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Vigoureux > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:01 PM > To: l3vpn@ietf.org > Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 > Hello Working Group, >=20 > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >=20 > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). >=20 > This poll runs until November the 3rd. >=20 >=20 > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if > you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR > rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thank you >=20 > M&T >=20 > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:28:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23D51A1B30 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJg0qmlbsnUu for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x231.google.com (mail-ob0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECC1D1A1AEB for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id uy5so3899279obc.36 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=omCc4KTdpYSZN5IHrzyynpaTRzhzSNsSgkYyzRCD0dw=; b=OaoTiAjCooVD1Q72ZxYCBLk6xePTzWpfO7aps1Qnr+hjhtu4N7l18JSwriFziWQ+w7 fkmJLbV+lHcBfDyOmYr2tm6430zq4397XhjrWYsybQd/6VmUcXXnFT+A+qFexacU8xEd zHT8ktCWB//XRkkMQ6m+sOZl9zQ/Zvq5wuVPop+0iMgOd5/z+fVDA4L8gVNxJ7mp6czW 15ztckOpa/cwuGeV8fElJCrOjdx3+oHmRMVeGOgWWSLipKCTUfmYdM29JjPdeoC7tVLR 7yw4hLEQ4ryFdUdBHp8O0bwkMXHxp6AXVlWXpo8b16NO4cIwZOB121A/+MkVe73IBOLX 4NlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.147.196 with SMTP id tm4mr23724196oeb.4.1413818513346; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.28.131 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.28.131 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:21:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 From: Luay Jalil To: Martin Vigoureux Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e4f6443d6500505dc4626 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/OonCXbShnISPFuBCyDvmCZIHqf8 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:28:42 -0000 --047d7b2e4f6443d6500505dc4626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Support Luay On Oct 19, 2014 2:01 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" < martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you > are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > > --047d7b2e4f6443d6500505dc4626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support

Luay

On Oct 19, 2014 2:01 PM, "Martin Vigoureux&= quot; <martin.vig= oureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

---
[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual= -pe-05


--047d7b2e4f6443d6500505dc4626-- From nobody Wed Oct 22 01:48:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475EA1A8AF9 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:48:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWZZoaSP-G6B for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com (mail-wi0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69D4B1A038B for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id n3so200506wiv.8 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UuDra7uXvOyf8xum79IYiXcu9r+nWhIFt/1pCRbC8Ug=; b=0Aq7r7dit6140kxYMLSxjSiG3xvT7iERLqj9wtXf6RS1clhw1t7X7mvJmG78+l9Nb5 cevVS4fhyuLcI+Pwv6NXFldvBJFoa2X7w4RprmriGC4SkHUx2nv4hQ2gncS44VtN7OMt WEI59dRbGPBeujRM6mZMJIQdAA1jBjmHryH1Dz3ss1ejuBLJtAGy/mruCUWsz4Gu0Hym 4C+iLzRp3yqEkvOLue7oQtEjzJQHD/IScltVzxJ4PQ9cLK84M7UmB6WwlWMzQ9CFPZX/ XKlvISNdUN/OLPl/KqfZowdDjDPUYWZ6tu2Kk/8+4qnIz+Y2LOEukJYGS7pQNJekzA20 3jxQ== X-Received: by 10.180.74.198 with SMTP id w6mr3949334wiv.47.1413967695114; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-155-96.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.139.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ma8sm18057750wjb.46.2014.10.22.01.48.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54476F4C.6040705@orange.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:48:12 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: (2nd) WG Last call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir related to late IPR disclosure References: <535A3E8C.3040508@orange.com> <53B167A6.9090302@orange.com> <53BC45A6.9000004@orange.com> <5433F07C.8080004@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5433F07C.8080004@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/utqXBaKNqnO-UYzvGd450vSefEg X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:48:18 -0000 Hi working group, We've heard no revised position on this draft during this WG Last Call. We will proceed with the next steps in the publication process in the next few weeks. Best, -Thomas Thomas Morin: > Hello working group, > > As mentioned in past emails, draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir is subject to > a late IPR disclosure [1]. > > The IPR disclosure having been made [2], the working group is now > given the opportunity to express a possibly revised position with > regards to these specifications. They will be submitted to the IESG > under the condition there is consensus to proceed. > > Consider this call as a working group last call on > draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir. > > Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before > **October the 21th**. > > Thank you, > > Thomas & Martin, > l3vpn chairs > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 > [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2405 > > > 2014-07-08 21:25, Thomas Morin: >> Hi everyone, >> >> We were made aware during shepherd review of yet undisclosed IPR >> related to draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir. >> This IPR is to our knowledge currently pending formal disclosure by >> the owner. >> >> Unfortunately, although we were past the working group last call, the >> document now has to go back to the working group. >> As soon as the disclosure is formally filled out through the >> datatracker tools, working group contributors will be given the >> opportunity to express a revised position with regards to this document. >> >> Thanks for your understanding, >> >> -Thomas, >> as co-chair & doc shepherd >> >> >> Thomas Morin: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This working group last call is now closed and we will proceed with >>> the next steps in the publication process in the next few weeks (but >>> not before we have an answer to the usual IPR questions from all of >>> the authors). >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> -Thomas >>> >>> >>> Thomas Morin : >>>> Hello working group, >>>> >>>> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on >>>> draft-draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir, which is considered mature and >>>> ready for a last call working group review. >>>> >>>> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version >>>> yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than **May 10th**. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> -Thomas & Martin >>>> >>>> [ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir ] >>>> >>> >> > From nobody Wed Oct 22 07:06:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73EC1AC3B7 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t3OFhNl96Vsd for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08B551AC3C3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s9ME53xh010404 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:05:04 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s9ME50QC010302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:05:03 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Closing L3VPN Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:04:34 +0100 Message-ID: <027b01cfee01$2cffe6e0$86ffb4a0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/uARm2YGoqvVYITIGmcDyVl4hivQ== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21042.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--5.116-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--5.116-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: cp51Uxq7L6uRUXjihTf9CE0IfQOJvRLRlHLUcNM85drF7duWDXiFEj0J SifQ1MZ5AgJSrGyHp+ofZdczzDm/uk1+zyfzlN7y/sToY2qzpx5q8/xv2Um1avoLR4+zsDTtD12 T7q2dIUt+1xV7c46SmW/8g9mxRAYHTf4g6a1CweCl3VS5Iw3TWw== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/QLU7po8uOIK01CcRRdlSx-Zze_M X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:06:15 -0000 Hi, BESS is up and running and there seem to be no issues with the mailing list. I plan to ask the Secretariat to close this list, but to retain the email archive. New postings will bounce. Thanks, Adrian From nobody Wed Oct 22 07:12:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69D51AC410; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AT5ro_jBWfVE; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ACE71AC418; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so1499325wiv.0 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZGiuhUkIuch/15CxS/BEbc8FkqNZqblSIxjGGIzVBMg=; b=bb23dyN8kfyDSZNrck54Qs0t8YKA4QauhgAzn/eqcQaCfcyZMWwVCqyYj6POwhuAjQ fTkmTI7JQo0pal3FVbz6Q8/8MCOqeCo8dc1qDvKUUrukpy5MZ2koLgUmqyuaAVB9atBR Qt/lcWAjwOnlptOJ6m+cL/jZv1v7Xd2mUa17VAgRulDi9DJp0r2nOir7K32rcq49vMsA ishlEdyH9QM7ewAvERrs9cPBMpAkF4KUKLTxhfYmTna9E4oKLzASYgCF9Cche7I7WTku TnpbTMEeosEMvwLODzft1FtesKU2iT+WXnovdP4lIpr0zHa0TAEJmr3j8RJRdVcW5rZE c5qQ== X-Received: by 10.180.91.11 with SMTP id ca11mr33290163wib.45.1413987026979; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-155-96.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.139.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ws5sm1927320wjb.9.2014.10.22.07.10.25 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <5447BAD0.7030000@orange.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:10:24 +0200 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Vigoureux , L3VPN , bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/3XidT5k8SAeUSr27crxUxWx7xac X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:12:17 -0000 Hi working group, Let me chime a different bell... (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.) Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.". You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the document does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane in hardware. What do we end up with ? Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE ! So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors or deployers. Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and dataplanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing protocol). Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most efficient way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution is based on IETF standard RFCs.] Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid just throwing I2RS references around. At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that. Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document. -Thomas Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux: > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if > you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR > rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating > to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > From nobody Wed Oct 22 07:13:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F9D1AC44B for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9-AzIGiV_ET for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x233.google.com (mail-ig0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FEFA1AC3E4 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f179.google.com with SMTP id h18so961455igc.6 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ezyQMTvW18fkESF9oaH2XLClXOjkujUY4tYz27hqjBU=; b=gcwiyRqdxzBMj4pGsl2wvJNGjCtw91NcDMnxYvirWy41d4J98zPR0oMYNzoVBX1SmV bobAZbudaI/+lTfWwLl7GUknIHz7jvRBGNQu7SoNAx2i0ccecZIweyo6cJlADAReNYox ZgsrmeQh74V8QpP+su3g28D13f8gYkAvC2rfbax/5x6AmTR77rhcr6vcMetHfXODMVGb M9GXv8IADhKC0QYd8MsGIwPc5Zhx3wrfd/svsyiR7pdtihShCfKMkRu9f3o+neFVwlrB fM/il1nPEZYvssPM7BN8UnzqjSQyw2lK1VlQmHQ+eIfjU8gERWNcKW89c/Iz+bMvVRY3 AjMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.133.5 with SMTP id h5mr25801297iod.47.1413987057027; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.156.208 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <027b01cfee01$2cffe6e0$86ffb4a0$@olddog.co.uk> References: <027b01cfee01$2cffe6e0$86ffb4a0$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:10:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CRa8pnF5GopfkTXwAAT6UhqvfJ4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Closing L3VPN From: Robert Raszuk To: Adrian Farrel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ea4f04051630506038401 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/WL5y5JQeDHtciebGj2TV_4n5gnY Cc: L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:12:58 -0000 --001a113ea4f04051630506038401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Adrian, Isn't this a bit of a nonsense to close the list in the middle of gathering support for the acceptance of the draft(s) ? I observed (when indicating my support) that the call was send only to L3VPN and most people reply-to by default, but no one seemed to care. Cheers, R. Martin Vigoureux via ietf.org Oct 19 (3 days ago) to l3vpn Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > BESS is up and running and there seem to be no issues with the mailing > list. > > I plan to ask the Secretariat to close this list, but to retain the email > archive. New postings will bounce. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > --001a113ea4f04051630506038401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
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I plan to ask the Secretariat to close this list, but to retain the email archive. New postings will bounce.

Thanks,
Adrian


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--1157309285-2066752299-1414018582=:28508-- From nobody Wed Oct 22 21:03:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014671A8892; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a6JJMlACvCgt; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91FBE1A8887; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79206d0000014d2-4f-54482673eb83 Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 93.05.05330.37628445; 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charset=us-ascii I am not aware of related IPR. Ning So 972-955-0914 ________________________________ From: "Wang, Wen" To: "l3vpn@ietf.org" ; "bess@ietf.org" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Support. Wen From: Martin Vigoureux Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 To: l3vpn@ietf.org Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --488955561-1571569665-1414075277=:41190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I am not aware of related IPR.
 
Ning So
972-955-0914

From: "Wang, Wen" <Wen.Wang@CenturyLink.com>
To: "l3vpn@ietf.org" <l3vpn@ietf.org>; "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

Support.
 
Wen
 
From: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: l3vpn@ietf.org


Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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--488955561-1571569665-1414075277=:41190-- From nobody Thu Oct 23 08:03:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E97D1ABD36 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZgCQlFDG6ReK for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-f52.google.com (mail-qg0-f52.google.com [209.85.192.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCC881ABD3A for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id q108so807489qgd.25 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:02:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=VZIKwcOhDkixzJpOTDDvcyzkL5knkMnjKEDZ1PyLQJM=; b=mbXRc+lCBYl4kzwMQh4mY8amzQ+sSdXGunc8M7Wp5tnF4RlckBMeLyC+JSW8sj6uhJ XKr/XN96Q4D5zbNh/OGPdIVU668Ga61FSsF4vBD1txt/3ysuW+fbTGpAcl7fFeLLKcbW ig7EvohjP3Bq2+96/kyIVwSkCIe/QiYtzd/0edOOkEZX5kY+JBfTKQ0MBd8T8+FMMjru cn0BFthV37NGi6jKeTOcoC1pmCdSxgRZVycqleI3ye3tSgIWTaqLpBWdJYu9jRhfgDdT ThLIPzhgSZTh30VddYJQw0+eyE4SoZBnW2LotHwAGB45/GqJJZTJcz1AHuuhocN5sKQK CU2A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnRGRZQIbBgu6tNFRS0rgNsDExoecGXtkRnz8xUM9QZcTwGnoJ0Pw1NyXIHdb+VNa0gYht6 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.101.120 with SMTP id t111mr8269521qge.6.1414076569777; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.98.212 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.98.212 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5447BAD0.7030000@orange.com> References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> <5447BAD0.7030000@orange.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 From: Benson Schliesser To: Thomas Morin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c15d7ea0e3990506185b4f Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/rUZUfitJOcpXdV_B8KUn3jVLb-A Cc: L3VPN , bess@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:03:01 -0000 --001a11c15d7ea0e3990506185b4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Thomas and BESS - I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's not to say that I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text might result in something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an architecture document like this to help drive more detailed technical work. Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that we must publish it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understanding of its role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement that it could be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work. Cheers, -Benson On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > Hi working group, > > Let me chime a different bell... > > (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I > won't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.) > > Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE > software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.". > You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the > document does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane > in hardware. What do we end up with ? Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE ! > > So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is > merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN. > That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is > so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present > elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors > or deployers. > > Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to > list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and > dataplanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific > to BESS (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other > routing protocol). > > Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the > servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical > document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. > It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the > idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. > [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most > efficient way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions > relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their > solution is based on IETF standard RFCs.] > > Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever > that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet > another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at > least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid > just throwing I2RS references around. > > At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on > the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a > fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what > I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that. > > Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document. > > -Thomas > > > > Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux: > >> Hello Working Group, >> >> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >> >> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >> not (in both cases please also state the reasons). >> >> This poll runs until November the 3rd. >> >> >> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you >> are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see >> RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to >> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant >> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >> received from each author and contributor. >> >> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> Thank you >> >> M&T >> >> --- >> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --001a11c15d7ea0e3990506185b4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Thomas and BESS -

I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That&#= 39;s not to say that I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text= might result in something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to hav= e an architecture document like this to help drive more detailed technical = work.

Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that = we must publish it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understa= nding of its role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement= that it could be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful wo= rk.

Cheers,
-Benson

On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin&quo= t; <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
Hi wor= king group,

Let me chime a different bell...

(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won= 't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)

Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN= PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.= ". You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the defin= ition since the document does obviously not ban the implementation of the f= orwarding plane in hardware.=C2=A0 What do we end up with ?=C2=A0 Answer: a= virtual PE is... a PE !

So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" n= ame is merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E= -VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the docum= ent is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already pres= ent elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implemento= rs or deployers.

Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to = list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datapla= nes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS = (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing = protocol).

Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on t= he servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technic= al document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach= . It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the= idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. = [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most effi= cient way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relyi= ng on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solutio= n is based on IETF standard RFCs.]

Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (wh= atever that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is ye= t another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at = least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid ju= st throwing I2RS references around.

At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details = on the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, = a fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given wh= at I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy o= n that.

Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.

-Thomas



Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP6+ly5v6Ac0q/AEWIa/7VetLahpw3+ylwgAA+iJCABHriAIAABJ1wgAABBNCAAAGegIAAAJ8ggAACCVCAAALT8IAAe9OggAAUtvCAAAuyMIAACQtAgADa9AA= Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:59:51 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5ef79eb24f244b74a7b12c6e0ad810e0@BL2PR03MB372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [10.148.213.45] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D06EE3BE6A639ggalimbeciscocom_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/-UUJAlKAAaDxVLyPvQHNTSwGlXM X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:08:02 -0700 Cc: "l3vpn@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:59:56 -0000 --_004_D06EE3BE6A639ggalimbeciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D06EE3BE6A639ggalimbeciscocom_" --_000_D06EE3BE6A639ggalimbeciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support, I=92m not aware of relevant IPRs. Thanks, Gabriele [http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/logo.gif] Gabriele Galimberti Technical Leader Cisco Photonics Srl via S.Maria Molgora, 48 C 20871 - Vimercate (MB) Italy www.cisco.com/global/IT/ ggalimbe@cisco.com Phone :+39 039 2091462 Mobile :+39 335 7481947 Fax :+39 039 2092049 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Martin Vigoureux > Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 To: l3vpn@ietf.org Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 --_000_D06EE3BE6A639ggalimbeciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I s= upport, 

I= =92m not aware of relevant IPRs.

Tha= nks, 

Gab= riele

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www.cisco.com/global/IT/


ggalimbe@cisco.c= om
Phone :+39 039 2091462+39 335 7481947
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---------- Forwarded = message ----------
From: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: l3vpn@ietf.org


Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

 

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draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP7gHsMnLaMlHTLEuhPWoYiDZn0Jw+HJ+AgAAfn4A= Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:55:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> <5447BAD0.7030000@orange.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.215.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/F2A-pHNp4QhQiXZIj68xTql4-O8 Cc: Thomas Morin , L3VPN , "" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:56:12 -0000 >From the BESS Charter I see "The BGP Enabled Services (BESS) working group is responsible for defining, specifying, and extending network services based on BGP" There are two virtual PE models I am aware of. The first is the multi-tenan= t model that does not change operations at all, merely moves the VPN functi= on as is from a physical device to a virtual device. The second is the sing= le tenant model, which is a PE per customer location. The difference this m= odel introduces is an explosion in the nmber of PEs and the associated buil= ding of router reflector hierarchies. Neither, as far as I can see require = any changes to the BGP protocol. Certainly there are some new ways to provi= sion things (orchestration). As a new participant to this group I may be missing much and need to be edu= cated. However if the group is about extending BGP to support new services = I am unclear why a virtual PE demands something new and if it does, should = not the draft specify that? Chris On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > Hi, Thomas and BESS - >=20 > I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's not to say t= hat I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text might result in = something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an architecture= document like this to help drive more detailed technical work. >=20 > Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that we must publi= sh it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understanding of its = role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement that it coul= d be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work. >=20 > Cheers, > -Benson >=20 > On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > Hi working group, >=20 > Let me chime a different bell... >=20 > (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I w= on't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.) >=20 > Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE= software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.". = You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the = document does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane = in hardware. What do we end up with ? Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE ! >=20 > So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is m= erely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN. Th= at explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is s= o reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present else= where). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors or de= ployers. >=20 > Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers t= o list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datap= lanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BES= S (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routin= g protocol). >=20 > Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the= servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical doc= ument is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It c= an be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the idea,= but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I wou= ld add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most efficient = way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relying on = this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution is b= ased on IETF standard RFCs.] >=20 > Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever t= hat means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet anothe= r question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at least I = would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid just throw= ing I2RS references around. >=20 > At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on= the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a = fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what= I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that= . >=20 > Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document. >=20 > -Thomas >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux: > Hello Working Group, >=20 > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >=20 > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). >=20 > This poll runs until November the 3rd. >=20 >=20 > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you= are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, se= e RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l= 3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docu= ment will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thank you >=20 > M&T >=20 > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Oct 23 11:00:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC3A1A902C; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:00:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lYheALajQgBz; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB9931AC420; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 0DD0FA7B2961; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:00:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s9NI0870029385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:00:08 +0200 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.219]) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.111]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:00:08 +0200 From: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" To: Benson Schliesser , Thomas Morin Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Topic: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP7gHs2pKDhxqU20yN8WivIMXQ5Zw9p0eAgABTAwA= Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:00:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> <5447BAD0.7030000@orange.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D06F0E43101C65wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/FNj3j_YnJA0lRH87k1qY9tW2kBU Cc: L3VPN , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:00:15 -0000 --_000_D06F0E43101C65wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me the key question we should answer is if it does help developers impl= ement vPE even if there is no new protocol extensions required. From: Benson Schliesser > Date: Thursday 23 October 2014 17:02 To: Thomas Morin > Cc: L3VPN >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Hi, Thomas and BESS - I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's not to say tha= t I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text might result in so= mething useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an architecture d= ocument like this to help drive more detailed technical work. Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that we must publish= it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understanding of its ro= le in further development activities, and an acknowledgement that it could = be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work. Cheers, -Benson On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin" > wrote: Hi working group, Let me chime a different bell... (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won= 't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.) Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE s= oftware instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.". Yo= u can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the do= cument does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane in= hardware. What do we end up with ? Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE ! So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is mer= ely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN. That= explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is so = reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present elsewh= ere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors or depl= oyers. Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to = list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datapla= nes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS = (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing = protocol). Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the s= ervers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical docum= ent is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It can= be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the idea, b= ut I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I would= add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most efficient wa= y to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relying on th= is approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution is bas= ed on IETF standard RFCs.] Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever tha= t means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet another = question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at least I wo= uld expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid just throwin= g I2RS references around. At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on t= he content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a fa= ir amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what I= explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that. Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document. -Thomas Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux: Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --_000_D06F0E43101C65wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <30A2CFC385FB1C4AB73071323C4FD181@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For me the key question we should answer is if it does help developers= implement vPE even if there is no new protocol extensions required.

From: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
Date: Thursday 23 October 2014 17:0= 2
To: Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com>
Cc: L3VPN <l3vpn@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org= >
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption pol= l - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

Hi, Thomas and BESS -

I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's= not to say that I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text mig= ht result in something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an= architecture document like this to help drive more detailed technical work.

Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that = we must publish it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understa= nding of its role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement= that it could be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work.

Cheers,
-Benson

On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin&quo= t; <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
Hi working group,

Let me chime a different bell...

(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won= 't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)

Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN= PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.= ". You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition si= nce the document does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane in hardware.  What do we end u= p with ?  Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE !

So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" n= ame is merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E= -VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the docum= ent is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present elsewhere). I doubt that the document w= ill be of any help to implementors or deployers.

Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to = list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datapla= nes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS = (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing protocol).

Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the s= ervers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical docum= ent is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It can= be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the idea, but I would also challenge this: = the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I would add that, even if it was, a 20&= #43; pages RFC may not be the most efficient way to market an idea. People = have been able to build solutions relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution = is based on IETF standard RFCs.]

Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (wh= atever that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is ye= t another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at = least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid just throwing I2RS references around.

At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on t= he content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a fa= ir amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what I= explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that.

Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.

-Thomas



Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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Not sure how that fits.. Jim Uttaro -----Original Message----- From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morin Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:10 AM To: Martin Vigoureux; L3VPN; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Hi working group, Let me chime a different bell... (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I=20 won't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.) Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN=20 PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing=20 devices.". You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the=20 definition since the document does obviously not ban the implementation=20 of the forwarding plane in hardware. What do we end up with ? Answer:=20 a virtual PE is... a PE ! So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is=20 merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and=20 E-VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the=20 document is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or=20 already present elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any=20 help to implementors or deployers. Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers=20 to list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and=20 dataplanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really=20 specific to BESS (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to=20 some other routing protocol). Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on=20 the servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a=20 technical document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such=20 an approach. It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced=20 to promote the idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a=20 marketing venue. [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may=20 not be the most efficient way to market an idea. People have been able=20 to build solutions relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able=20 to claim that their solution is based on IETF standard RFCs.] Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever=20 that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet=20 another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at=20 least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid=20 just throwing I2RS references around. At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details=20 on the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved=20 forward, a fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be=20 needed. Given what I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to=20 spend energy on that. Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document. -Thomas Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux: > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if=20 > you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR=20 > rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating=20 > to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The=20 > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Oct 23 11:22:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C7C1ACDEE for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:22:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bva_sQ7dUhOF for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D76E1AC3EE for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z6so1905394yhz.40 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=mXo1JgiqtBXVY1EjcFvuBqCOwa0otDGbtxlKG+ZdjUo=; b=cDvE+hZDzGA3/SM+O1pc4f4J6DPXvriMWwDoq1qxMVcr7XSGr9kF0JntpuCtqdAkDP irahMZBbw4+HQ+Fj73Po7F12pSMZhFJamMDvZhgvRSkfohf5uAL6PDtLey2f9cX/Ae8+ DgftUO3kpIQDXiTGRSfNLrPIkyx6mzILhUK/sLM6e6zKQZnFxocxpg9++vaG5nQBA55l OFB8HQx2H04FlRDGskKQjRCX9DDhplhrFcHHGdQOrQF5fXhxbilR6ht15eN9FHAEgTSV ILVzCjxSn6CMdrGK/RYaIYGLU6vy/M6kRd97Rtpb6LC9pD3cRaXbLMzX/uZzONUU9gBF 8S7w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlPvA4a42iy7/tnM4w3l8A19YFUYxqCgj8r9JP4e/zHfW0vUod/ci9w2OIe8/UVLS7xbwJX X-Received: by 10.170.225.135 with SMTP id r129mr658775ykf.104.1414088559742; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wasteland-6.local (67.20.138.103.dyn-e120.pool.hargray.net. [67.20.138.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm2140498qga.47.2014.10.23.11.22.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:22:36 -0400 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Vigoureux Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060601070501090809040504" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/isRKyjTypg6vgquFgRRj7QGGTW0 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:22:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060601070501090809040504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Martin - Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here? I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives. Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for the IETF. Thanks for any feedback you can give. -Benson > Martin Vigoureux > October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM > Working Group, > > we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure > (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against > RFC 7024: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ > > Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us > know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content > and/or status). > > Thank you > > M&T > --------------060601070501090809040504 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020007060209010800080709" --------------020007060209010800080709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Martin -

Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?

I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.

Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for the IETF.

Thanks for any feedback you can give.
-Benson


October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
Working Group,

we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/

Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or status).

Thank you

M&T

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From: Robert Raszuk To: Benson Schliesser Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001a1140ec129a235805061bfcc9 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/gC65obL8KIOJIFmGYxE28r9Q8j4 Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:22:38 -0000 --001a1140ec129a235805061bfcc9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140ec129a234e05061bfcc8 --001a1140ec129a234e05061bfcc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Looking at this I am not sure what the problem is ? If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 authors are associated with the IPR disclosure neither are even listed in the ack section. Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement. Anyone can patent anything and this is even patent outside of US. In any case to see the details one should examine what exactly has been patented in 2003. Quick patent search around 2003 with the same authors reveals a few patents for "hub-and-spoke for virtual private networks". But let's observe that the above is technically slightly different then "virtual hub and spoke idea" which perhaps some legal skilled folks may not be able to easily grasp ;-) Best, r. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > Hi, Martin - > > Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here? > > I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, > acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to > proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other than > Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to avoid > IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives. > > Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure > whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, > employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm > also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 doesn't > seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear to me that > the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for the IETF. > > Thanks for any feedback you can give. > -Benson > > > Martin Vigoureux > October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM > Working Group, > > we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure (much > later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ > > Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us know > whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or > status). > > Thank you > > M&T > > --001a1140ec129a234e05061bfcc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking at this I am= not sure what the problem is ?=C2=A0

If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 authors are associated with = the IPR disclosure neither are even listed in the ack section.=C2=A0
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font= -size:small">
Chairs normally ask only authors for I= PR statement.=C2=A0

Anyone can p= atent anything and this is even patent outside of US.=C2=A0

In any case to see the details one should exami= ne what exactly has been patented in 2003. Quick patent search around 2003 = with the same authors reveals a few patents for "hub-and-spoke for vir= tual private networks".=C2=A0

But let's observe that the above is technically slightly different = then "virtual hub and spoke idea" which perhaps some legal skille= d folks may not be able to easily grasp ;-)

Best,
r.

=

On Thu, Oct 23, 2= 014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net> wrote:
Hi, Martin -

Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?
I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo,=20 acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to=20 proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other=20 than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to=20 avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.

Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure= =20 whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR,=20 employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'= m also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79=20 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear= =20 to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for=20 the IETF.

Thanks for any feedback you can give.
-Benson


=20 October 19, 2014= =20 at 2:36 PM
Working G= roup,

we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure= =20 (much=20 later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:

ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/

Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us=20 know=20 whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or =20 status).

Thank you

M&T


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From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:37:21 -0400 Message-Id: References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> To: Robert Raszuk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/hfq9UJkm4K5RpDlKm2Gvunp7Mg8 Cc: L3VPN , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:37:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_875C18BC-00A4-4CB9-90D4-68E63DDF0C89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Oct 23, 2014:3:22 PM, at 3:22 PM, Robert Raszuk = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Looking at this I am not sure what the problem is ?=20 >=20 > If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 authors are associated with = the IPR disclosure neither are even listed in the ack section.=20 >=20 > Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.=20 Chairs poll the authors and the WG. Anyone attending the = meetings, or otherwise =E2=80=9Cparticipating=E2=80=9D is bound by the = Note Well rules. > Anyone can patent anything and this is even patent outside of US.=20 >=20 > In any case to see the details one should examine what exactly has = been patented in 2003. Quick patent search around 2003 with the same = authors reveals a few patents for "hub-and-spoke for virtual private = networks".=20 >=20 > But let's observe that the above is technically slightly different = then "virtual hub and spoke idea" which perhaps some legal skilled folks = may not be able to easily grasp ;-) It is ill advised and strongly discouraged to discuss details of = IPR on the IETF mailing lists.=20 =E2=80=94Tom >=20 > Best, > r. >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser = > wrote: > Hi, Martin - >=20 > Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options = here? >=20 > I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status = quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing = to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something = other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new = RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating = alternatives. >=20 > Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not = sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the = IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, = etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. = BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems = clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem = for the IETF. >=20 > Thanks for any feedback you can give. > -Benson >=20 >=20 >> Martin Vigoureux = October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM >> Working Group,=20 >>=20 >> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure = (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC = 7024:=20 >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ = =20 >>=20 >> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us = know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content = and/or status).=20 >>=20 >> Thank you=20 >>=20 >> M&T=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_875C18BC-00A4-4CB9-90D4-68E63DDF0C89 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B23A6DE8-B935-47A3-92E0-D93E37EE095B" --Apple-Mail=_B23A6DE8-B935-47A3-92E0-D93E37EE095B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Oct 23, 2014:3:22 PM, at 3:22 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> = wrote:


Looking at this I am not sure what the = problem is ? 

If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 = authors are associated with the IPR disclosure neither are even listed = in the ack section. 

Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR = statement. 

Chairs poll the authors and the = WG.  Anyone attending the meetings, or otherwise = =E2=80=9Cparticipating=E2=80=9D is bound by the Note Well = rules.

Anyone can = patent anything and this is even patent outside of US. 

In any case to see the details one should = examine what exactly has been patented in 2003. Quick patent search = around 2003 with the same authors reveals a few patents for = "hub-and-spoke for virtual private networks". 

But let's observe that the above is = technically slightly different then "virtual hub and spoke idea" which = perhaps some legal skilled folks may not be able to easily grasp = ;-)

It is ill = advised and strongly discouraged to discuss details of IPR on the IETF = mailing lists. 

= =E2=80=94Tom




Best,
r.


On Thu, = Oct 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net> wrote:
Hi, Martin -

Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options = here?

I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo,=20= acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to=20 proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other=20= than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to=20= avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating = alternatives.

Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure=20= whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR,=20= employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79=20 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear=20= to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for=20 the IETF.

Thanks for any feedback you can give.
-Benson


Martin = Vigoureux
=20 October 19, 2014=20 at 2:36 PM
Working Group,

we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR = disclosure=20 (much=20 later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/

Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration = and let us=20 know=20 whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or =20 status).

Thank you

M&T



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References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.41] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/nFUW0Pb-7r8GSrJh01NwK-QaM70 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:56:52 -0000 Hi Benson, I would say that 1 to 4 are valid options, but it shall be the WG deciding the way forward. Also, as Chairs, we can think of a variety of punitive responses, speaking in the general case, but these shall only concern individuals. -m Le 23/10/2014 20:22, Benson Schliesser a écrit : > Hi, Martin - > > Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here? > > I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, > acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to > proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other > than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to > avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives. > > Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure > whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, > employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm > also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 > doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear > to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for > the IETF. > > Thanks for any feedback you can give. > -Benson > > >> Martin Vigoureux >> October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM >> Working Group, >> >> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure >> (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against >> RFC 7024: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ >> >> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us >> know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content >> and/or status). >> >> Thank you >> >> M&T >> From nobody Thu Oct 23 15:00:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4471B1A1BD4; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rU1XI6TYzVaG; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97651A1BB9; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id B589A61CBB001; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:00:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s9NM0jQc012604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:00:45 +0200 Received: from [135.244.192.133] (135.239.27.41) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:00:44 +0200 Message-ID: <54497A88.3050808@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:00:40 +0200 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Raszuk , Benson Schliesser Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.41] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/MPfAYCUMCm4syLkd83aw7CRvTvU Cc: L3VPN , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:00:54 -0000 Robert Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a écrit : > Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement. I do not believe this is the norm. IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors". -m From nobody Thu Oct 23 15:04:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3401A1AD6; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id li9DBQE-iNuR; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5421A802C; Thu, 23 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From: Robert Raszuk To: Martin Vigoureux Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cc450e5285505061e4def Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/O2Cv5lHX5JD_3aCZ3j1hg7kMtIQ Cc: L3VPN , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:08:32 -0000 --089e013cc450e5285505061e4def Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok .. I only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs asking explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their docs. To Tom's point if this is "ill advised and strongly discouraged" to talk about IPR on the lists what is this thread all about then ? Why it has been even started ? To blindly say yes or no to content of the IPR disclousure no one posseses any knowledge of ? r. On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux < martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Robert > > Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit : > >> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement. >> > > I do not believe this is the norm. > IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors". > > -m > --089e013cc450e5285505061e4def Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Ok .. I only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs asking= explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their docs.

To Tom's point = if this is "ill advised and strongly discouraged" to talk about I= PR on the lists what is this thread all about then ? Why it has been even s= tarted ? To blindly say yes or no to content of the IPR disclousure no one = posseses any knowledge of ?=C2=A0

=
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On Fri, Oct 24, 2014= at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel= -lucent.com> wrote:
Robert<= br>
Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit :
Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.

 I do not believe this is the norm.
IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors".=

-m

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[67.20.138.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k35sm2934544qge.42.2014.10.23.18.26.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5449AAB3.2000105@queuefull.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:26:11 -0400 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Vigoureux Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> <54497999.8050500@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54497999.8050500@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080100050603050205020407" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/RUO7M2MyROPUsTRKXkl4L9rcTpw Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:26:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080100050603050205020407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Martin. Your response makes sense. In particular, I agree that focusing on individuals is in-line with the spirit of the IETF. Unfortunately that might be a structural weakness - perhaps even an attack vector - in this context. This comment notwithstanding, it probably isn't appropriate for a WG to explore this issue in isolation, but rather a topic for broader IETF discussion including the IESG, IAB, etc. As for the more concrete options 1 to 4 that I described, my personal choice would be #1. My rationale has to do with IPR issues that aren't appropriate for discussion on an IETF list. Cheers, -Benson > Martin Vigoureux > October 23, 2014 at 5:56 PM > Hi Benson, > > I would say that 1 to 4 are valid options, but it shall be the WG > deciding the way forward. > > Also, as Chairs, we can think of a variety of punitive responses, > speaking in the general case, but these shall only concern individuals. > > -m > > > Benson Schliesser > October 23, 2014 at 2:22 PM > Hi, Martin - > > Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here? > > I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status > quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing > to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something > other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new > RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating > alternatives. > > Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not > sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns > the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the > IPR, etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually > be. BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it > seems clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a > problem for the IETF. > > Thanks for any feedback you can give. > -Benson > > > Martin Vigoureux > October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM > Working Group, > > we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure > (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against > RFC 7024: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ > > Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us > know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content > and/or status). > > Thank you > > M&T > --------------080100050603050205020407 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------050400040400020402020508" --------------050400040400020402020508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Martin.

Your response makes sense.

In particular, I agree that focusing on individuals is in-line with the spirit of the IETF. Unfortunately that might be a structural weakness - perhaps even an attack vector - in this context. This comment notwithstanding, it probably isn't appropriate for a WG to explore this issue in isolation, but rather a topic for broader IETF discussion including the IESG, IAB, etc.

As for the more concrete options 1 to 4 that I described, my personal choice would be #1. My rationale has to do with IPR issues that aren't appropriate for discussion on an IETF list.

Cheers,
-Benson


October 23, 2014 at 5:56 PM
Hi Benson,

I would say that 1 to 4 are valid options, but it shall be the WG deciding the way forward.

Also, as Chairs, we can think of a variety of punitive responses, speaking in the general case, but these shall only concern individuals.

-m


October 23, 2014 at 2:22 PM
Hi, Martin -

Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?

I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.

Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for the IETF.

Thanks for any feedback you can give.
-Benson


October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
Working Group,

we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/

Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or status).

Thank you

M&T

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Fri, 24 Oct 2014 02:54:39 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.131]) by SZXEMA403-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:54:33 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Martin Vigoureux , "l3vpn@ietf.org" Subject: RE: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP688PBCT65hXyVEaep5gV3HXVtJw+gvsA Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:54:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.97.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/AvPq-EyBHYkQ_wNJg-6TsIazx-Y X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:54:44 -0000 I have read the draft and it's useful, so I support the adoption of the dra= ft. Best regards, Mach=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: L3VPN [mailto:l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Vigoureux > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:01 AM > To: l3vpn@ietf.org > Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 > Hello Working Group, >=20 > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >=20 > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not= (in > both cases please also state the reasons). >=20 > This poll runs until November the 3rd. >=20 >=20 > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you= are aware, > or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 397= 9, 4879, > 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to t= his email > and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response = needs > to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to= the > next stage until a response has been received from each author and contri= butor. >=20 > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any = IPR that > has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thank you >=20 > M&T >=20 > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >=20 From nobody Fri Oct 24 04:27:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E8E1A8A96; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNmHtoXJpm5r; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x22e.google.com (mail-yh0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CC101A8993; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f46.google.com with SMTP id f10so253879yha.5 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:27:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=dIXfTUNtIjpFQ0TaiejAcrrLTbItLCJgOVIerH8qCu4=; b=OXnaw9aRE3wIw2G1+ssczMMK8sPd6L4/9C4S0xxVa5xcu/DY8qyNSFgv0118fnn29n wRB0pTLmKcUcotifIkAaIqkQghcOgc9B/6La7MPPX4QQQTH7tpxrzgigcSYMrk6jLgDV leDlML0G6GfLrBqs57Dlvn6IFvO/iyPWHeDd2pjy7mpf0zvt+nwDPjyc1VfBCoxgapJ6 XLy4ENjCJi4tMvJA0w6z8EwqEI1bmjnzb4rh4fqN+zXx20i37kk7HLZNn35XJvGrd0LW 1x9sLTS5wS8KRmGeqmUHHWCbxvwBkV0Q0SoX+hlMfdsdjDZVJnKGYWlNqVJYblpMwPNM Ypgg== X-Received: by 10.170.214.6 with SMTP id g6mr5612397ykf.34.1414150036631; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:27:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.85.147 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:26:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48127B877A@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> <1627fdb880414430b81079565f4f8677@BL2PR03MB372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48127B877A@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:26:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 To: Daniele Ceccarelli Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11395c8c97b7bb05062976c4 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/81KLxteJiHpYOyRV8Fb0fEtlGbE Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , "l3vpn@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:27:20 -0000 --001a11395c8c97b7bb05062976c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I also support WG adoption for the draft. Thanks, Andy On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Daniele Ceccarelli < daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote: > Yes/Support > > Very useful draft for both transport and cloud SDN. > > BR > Daniele > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Martin Vigoureux* > Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM > Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > To: l3vpn@ietf.org > > > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you > are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > --001a11395c8c97b7bb05062976c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also support WG adoption for the draft.

Thanks,
Andy


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Daniele= Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> = wrote:

Yes/Support

Very useful draft for both transport and cloud SDN.<= /span>

BR
Daniele

----= ------ Forwarded message ----------
From: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>=
Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: l3vpn@ietf.org<= br>

Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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--001a11395c8c97b7bb05062976c4-- From nobody Fri Oct 24 05:34:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA231A8ABD; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BFswM69E437a; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28FA1A8AEB; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.123] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0C928D56D8; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_65A1A2A5-2143-4F96-8B94-A04A0C2F166D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:13:43 -0400 Message-Id: <179C0B5C-18F8-4111-9222-5565BDDA33F0@lucidvision.com> References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> <54497A88.3050808@alcatel-lucent.com> To: Robert Raszuk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/_dWWC775c6YLq2h9AZo1f4R3R5Q Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:34:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_65A1A2A5-2143-4F96-8B94-A04A0C2F166D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Oct 23, 2014:6:08 PM, at 6:08 PM, Robert Raszuk = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Ok .. I only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs = asking explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their = docs. >=20 > To Tom's point if this is "ill advised and strongly discouraged" to = talk about IPR on the lists what is this thread all about then ? Why it = has been even started ? To blindly say yes or no to content of the IPR = disclousure no one posseses any knowledge of ?=20 Discussing the IPR policy itself is cool, but the specifics of = particular patents has been discouraged.=20 =E2=80=94Tom >=20 > r. >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux = > wrote: > Robert >=20 > Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit : > Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement. >=20 > I do not believe this is the norm. > IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors". >=20 > -m >=20 --Apple-Mail=_65A1A2A5-2143-4F96-8B94-A04A0C2F166D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Oct 23, 2014:6:08 PM, at 6:08 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> = wrote:


Ok .. I = only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs asking = explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their = docs.

To Tom's point if this is "ill advised = and strongly discouraged" to talk about IPR on the lists what is this = thread all about then ? Why it has been even started ? To blindly say = yes or no to content of the IPR disclousure no one posseses any = knowledge of ? 

Discussing the IPR policy itself = is cool, but the specifics of particular patents has been = discouraged. 

= =E2=80=94Tom



r.


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux = <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Robert

Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit :
Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.

 I do not believe this is the norm.
IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors".

-m


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Thanks, Sami Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 --_000_CAB0069864FA42C3A94D2063480404A7ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.

Thanks,

Sami
 

Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

 

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From nobody Fri Oct 24 13:41:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F241A8F38; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7p-y288b_BRk; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A845C1A8BAF; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.40] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/g5al4wo5cigDpNb1UVfl1YtsN-4 Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org, L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:41:00 -0000 Authors, we have received questions from some of you on how to handle the submission of new revisions of your drafts that fall in the scope of BESS. The procedure is quite simple: Please submit those as either draft-ietf-bess-foo-00 if your document is already a WG document, or as draft--bess-foo-00 if it is not. In short, when transitioning to BESS, revision number has to be reset to 00. We will then request the secretariat to mark the old document as replaced by the new one in order to keep the history and maintain the link. For the specific case of documents being polled for adoption it shall be possible to directly move from draft---foo-xx to draft-ietf-bess-foo-00 Thank you M&T From nobody Fri Oct 24 14:48:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F51F1A8A85; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bnq19y7O0Zbl; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) 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[92.139.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wt3sm14778020wjb.40.2014.10.27.01.44.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 01:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <544E0602.1060109@orange.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:44:50 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: L3VPN Subject: Extended to Nov 4th: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure References: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/hGxP5e9f_qmw_tg4lyTE_Eozd1I Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, L3VPN ADs , draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:44:58 -0000 Hi everyone, We are concerned by the reduced support for this document, now that an IPR disclosure has been made against it ; in particular compared to the support expressed during the initial call for adoption. This call is thus extended to Nov 4th. Thank you for your understanding, -Thomas and Martin Tue Oct 07 2014 15:54:01 GMT+0200 (CEST), Thomas Morin: > Hello working group, > > At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both > draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and > draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of > the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from > satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably > possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular > because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure > reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for > adoption in June. > > The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new > poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. > > Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether > this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please > motivate your opinion. > > Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to > renewed WG consensus. > > Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before > **October the 21th**. > > Thank you, > > Thomas & Martin, > l3vpn chairs > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 > [2] > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 > [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ > From nobody Mon Oct 27 02:06:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203441A8A9A; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fF4LfTzsOEbh; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF78F1A8AA1; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x13so741044wgg.17 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:06:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vdntJUuAkNtWyu5b3VFptCaO8bb30bkmR+IrM5BWQgA=; b=tlU6MZDZ6NdPvTawjG/5NsXl2Jdfh1Xn3pdCHfxnp1FvFH6hjFgY2QXmK1AZFBzMab ++4kG9nhMqpBGotCJ6qk+Bmg4d+3DtOTsvpfbNYedakrv4/hM14sW5dPQ7z7Bc/CMvPR l9t1VoLyY4zWPHHXgLekZNatmYj8hJ0+8i2FGv2yDDwU93wjJnYdx9jFrOsDdxPgrjax jY+6M+afRw1oj5uiqMQL1D1/1eUlWhF8FbjhYYkAt4ZvblckTpOPlp5f4QNNA22KE7G9 sUHfpdQ3UAbewrPUCwpp1OdWmWSIiMY8Sa7Fbh/Lf1ctB1Llj0z6Hk+EzzEsG5tnsVQw ESzg== X-Received: by 10.194.134.3 with SMTP id pg3mr20928339wjb.24.1414400800392; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-155-96.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.139.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p2sm11150126wiy.1.2014.10.27.02.06.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <544E0B1D.2010104@orange.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:06:37 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Vigoureux , Robert Raszuk , Benson Schliesser Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> <54497A88.3050808@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54497A88.3050808@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/Pfxt8H5RubrzgaBacNWRP9GFZgY Cc: L3VPN , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:06:43 -0000 Hi Robert, everyone, It is fully up to each individual to make sure that he/she complies with IETF IPR rules. As we do in l3vpn/bess, some chairs take the additional steps of making sure authors did not forget to comply with these rules, through a reminder question. Let's be clear that even without such a question, the rules still apply to everyone. Note that the rules in RFC3979 may impose disclosure to all participants, including people not co-author of a draft. The best is for everyone to read RFC3979. -Thomas 2014-10-24, Martin Vigoureux: > Robert > > Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a écrit : >> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement. > > I do not believe this is the norm. > IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors". > > -m > From nobody Mon Oct 27 02:12:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BC01A8A7E; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p5on4Vb-0a1F; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E46D1A8A08; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id n12so5028171wgh.26 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aY1IaA/95f5Rd4iPe7UOH8SVBX5bKkdYi4xzIiIu30I=; b=FPxLekLk8+I8FMXp3NWk/cZRALtoEZggDv4QC3ypp3PAqcHSWes3OhjfbEKh3EArIs lPO/xNqtYuVCMlWT91sV+wEpAXW7E0E5md3fKCuMy0AJEI0BBc9C92Lxt9DDNN8gAmiR S1naF1QUkbWsJP5JEUe0eFE6wBqYAG9h3d2adsk75gELDRj3LKTAPvQWy1IzXCMSwnrm tw1aXEOF9Pw7JXoAGpPdoyPMvokJPhv9moY46luwonphGtDawIXMuq9on8LSuEZsoNTj fwQRo2e2NRVvPpVY1+0mlH8htY8FNKhz/dYo9/NYl8oYY2UdumxYdlVjzV2VCzn8GhwV shdQ== X-Received: by 10.180.103.233 with SMTP id fz9mr19077151wib.80.1414401148984; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-155-96.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.139.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t9sm14857317wjf.41.2014.10.27.02.12.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <544E0C79.3030200@orange.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:12:25 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benson Schliesser , Martin Vigoureux Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/vn90OlyLStHH3j2-L0O6d5RP0tI Cc: "l3vpn@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:12:32 -0000 Hi Benson, all, 2014-10-23, Benson Schliesser: > Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? You can read RFC6701. > I'm not sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that > owns the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about > the IPR, etc. Well, RFC3979 is focused on individuals rather than their employers... -Thomas From nobody Mon Oct 27 02:15:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD96C1A8A63; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:15:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OAk0iRtxfsVS; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5785C1A701C; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q5so5759288wiv.5 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=HWSpY+lJ/PCMnenyxDjO7h9ip++atBPb7Pf+0L456FI=; b=mFioGEwTnUH+Y4XNwlTCrp2FqMVWbt2pTySXZPcUZCRLI2pglZAED7oR0u5q5zCUrR KBJ1X7sjuzraaF5HDIobVOlBG8z8PrAZAzEiP3IZfx5gpGaJisvifggoM1nGtqEDJgjC uunhn3FJVqjIc8aNR9ewvwUC1JChBZNKWtNHLxhEO+xzGaQK/PN+kAesWqc1jK6Otxry fscH2o0ECegQd9MkOfpdIFOqiCHEOSiKbtxaXGunFDqtZu8LqHFjoTpPWJoIHuJKX0YG b8BRpr7zBbvid1uJS+Pk/g8XvsMghHFn4M/c4UizMm8q148PwNuCTQ09zdLhbWvGQEwf fw2w== X-Received: by 10.180.73.212 with SMTP id n20mr19147582wiv.59.1414401316044; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-155-96.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.139.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mc4sm11173807wic.6.2014.10.27.02.15.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <544E0D21.4060402@orange.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:15:13 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Raszuk , Benson Schliesser Subject: Re: Late IPR disclosure on RFC7024 - Opinions ? References: <544404B6.4060605@alcatel-lucent.com> <5449476C.1080307@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060709090605000406030702" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/1m9Gp24G0dTqnSx6EsK7D73hL_4 Cc: L3VPN , "bess@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:15:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060709090605000406030702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Robert, 2014-10-23, Robert Raszuk: > > [...] this is even patent outside of US. The fact that the patent subject of this IPR was made outside the US does not change how IETF IPR rules apply. -Thomas --------------060709090605000406030702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Robert,

2014-10-23, Robert Raszuk:

[...] this is even patent outside of US. 

The fact that the patent subject of this IPR was made outside the US does not change how IETF IPR rules apply.

-Thomas
--------------060709090605000406030702-- From nobody Mon Oct 27 06:28:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5574F1A923E for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rX7meZ0PbMYI for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0140.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D0211AC43A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLUPR05CA0081.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.20.51) by BLUPR05MB119.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.214.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1054.13; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:27:46 +0000 Received: from BN1BFFO11FD004.protection.gbl (2a01:111:f400:7c10::1:180) by BLUPR05CA0081.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:855::51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.6.9 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:27:47 +0000 Received: from P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (66.129.239.15) by BN1BFFO11FD004.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.58.144.67) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1049.20 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:27:46 +0000 Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (172.24.192.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:27:32 -0700 Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id s9RDRSR41875; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-ID: <201410271327.s9RDRSR41875@magenta.juniper.net> To: Thomas Morin Subject: Re: Extended to Nov 4th: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure In-Reply-To: <544E0602.1060109@orange.com> References: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> <544E0602.1060109@orange.com> X-MH-In-Reply-To: Thomas Morin message dated "Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:44:50 +0100." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <46762.1414416448.1@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:27:28 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:66.129.239.15; CTRY:US; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(199003)(51704005)(53754006)(189002)(23726002)(102836001)(54356999)(76176999)(50986999)(76482002)(120916001)(110136001)(50466002)(86362001)(99396003)(31966008)(92726001)(87936001)(16796002)(97756001)(47776003)(69596002)(68736004)(21056001)(230783001)(44976005)(85852003)(6806004)(85306004)(84676001)(64706001)(106466001)(20776003)(46406003)(46102003)(95666004)(97736003)(107046002)(81156004)(105596002)(80022003)(92566001)(4396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR05MB119; H:P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoDomainNonexistent; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR05MB119; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0377802854 Received-SPF: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning juniper.net discourages use of 66.129.239.15 as permitted sender) Authentication-Results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 66.129.239.15) smtp.mailfrom=yakov@juniper.net; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/lZ8o8au3l7vOKa1OtFz2_6NpGtA Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, L3VPN , draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org, L3VPN ADs X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:27:52 -0000 Thomas, > Hi everyone, > > We are concerned by the reduced support for this document, now that an > IPR disclosure has been made against it ; in particular compared to the > support expressed during the initial call for adoption. > > This call is thus extended to Nov 4th. Support (as co-author). Yakov. 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Support (as co-author). Yakov. 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[92.139.163.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wl1sm2203966wjb.4.2014.10.28.08.21.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <544FB481.1020009@orange.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:21:37 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS Subject: Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/tvzGXlkOXUdGIs1N4PIMvov8sec Cc: L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:21:44 -0000 Hi everyone, You can find our *draft* agenda at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess Note well that this agenda is subject to change. Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments. Best, -Thomas & Martin From nobody Tue Oct 28 09:30:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B2F1A8ABE; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gIdojBpxOGXg; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1606A1A8AE2; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=871; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1414513825; x=1415723425; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=BkDYlREKu5FVlyWrIvIIReX0Fnm6VgS5OG7eVxYOFNs=; b=hpscbwO7UoDSooBoPs2yDbDFhPNCy0QW5sNHyCD1gRlZmRqe5ukDfAc/ VbPRustJ7wjVkMI3Eorb0pN+F8K0cuA8UIPi35VM0mVzPiIHehM7Je9KX FXjcqBjiisbuk55MSuNndMIr8M65c+RBL4OwPIR5XYeC8THGZajmX2bo+ I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgFAKDDT1StJV2c/2dsb2JhbABcgmsjVFgEzjEKh00CgRwWAQEBAQF9hAMBAQQBAQFrCxIBCG0LJQIEAQ0FCYg4AQzJaAEBAQEBAQEDAQEBAQEBAQEBGZBWMweESwWLKoZhi12BMZEEhAGDeGyBBgc7gQMBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,803,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="91068981" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2014 16:30:24 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com [173.36.12.88]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9SGUO55018352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:30:24 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com ([173.36.12.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:30:24 -0500 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: Thomas Morin , BESS Subject: Re: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting Thread-Topic: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting Thread-Index: AQHP8sLnYDLv2+oHOUiPw0Co5slYqpxFkeMA Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:30:23 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <544FB481.1020009@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.128.2.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/OjInq-J4gFwEzWXk5UCgTLaz10U Cc: L2vpn , L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:30:27 -0000 Hi Thomas, I wasn=B9t aware yesterday=B9s timeline for time slot request is a hard one :-) I have a few drafts that I=B9d like to discuss during the session and I don=B9t know how many other people are in my shoes. Given that we have L2VP= N session at our disposal, can we have another BESS session in that slot if we have enough materials to warrant another session? Cheers, Ali On 10/28/14, 8:21 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: >Hi everyone, > >You can find our *draft* agenda at: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess > >Note well that this agenda is subject to change. >Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments. > >Best, > >-Thomas & Martin > >_______________________________________________ >BESS mailing list >BESS@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Tue Oct 28 10:24:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEC91A90D7; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ilAWuEwAluUA; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 146EE1A9096; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x13so1415557wgg.29 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:23:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=chZmqP1NVEX5WjfM+iZUA+SOlhYR1uWbQuMNM1dBdNo=; b=vN1AGpdZpFupqImg65tvGhwkiNr0KqdT4mULulg84s5RmwCNQZLSOiDcmpxwhepNOz p1CWAW2nUtaw+GQtSKmImuijxunaj3oljQ0DVraRkRvs0V26j78ZmpSSpmyvZytiT4t2 82OHBtaNACgwzWZS/9R9we5YJ0Di27AK88B+VlO5EGDVEVpeTHIyQvGT8mM6RDSf/6Vb sQ8n75LrWhXFpptK+2ueIFvyql+c3h9IzvfmgKYMxhHJ5PH/KdaEb4BvrgwXw0tzza+v 4/jyhEDgG6nup2eROUAbv+JIC3j/FT8iyQks9pYjtMlH02MnX7l6rIQTWQsby/z/R29X EUgg== X-Received: by 10.194.58.8 with SMTP id m8mr6114332wjq.43.1414517036464; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ARennes-652-1-236-72.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.139.163.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j20sm2549648wjn.0.2014.10.28.10.23.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <544FD129.1010100@orange.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:23:53 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , BESS Subject: Re: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/Brr0k_l7gpS4DzyOO37g298JFxk Cc: L2vpn , L3VPN X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:24:04 -0000 Hi Ali, The working group draft agendas where due *yesterday*, for all working groups, which is why Monday 27th was the deadline we indicated in our call for presentations. The L2VPN slot will be taken by PALS, so we don't have an option to take this slot to satisfy late request for meeting time. Best, -Thomas 2014-10-28, Ali Sajassi (sajassi): > > Hi Thomas, > > I wasn¹t aware yesterday¹s timeline for time slot request is a hard one > :-) I have a few drafts that I¹d like to discuss during the session and I > don¹t know how many other people are in my shoes. Given that we have L2VPN > session at our disposal, can we have another BESS session in that slot if > we have enough materials to warrant another session? > > Cheers, > Ali > > > > On 10/28/14, 8:21 AM, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> You can find our *draft* agenda at: >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess >> >> Note well that this agenda is subject to change. >> Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments. >> >> Best, >> >> -Thomas & Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > From nobody Tue Oct 28 11:31:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: l3vpn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851C21A912B; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wcq8fNUjicpz; 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