From michael@stroeder.com Sun Dec 16 11:45:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F8921F8904 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:45:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NHkvSMbU1DZH for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAF421F88CE for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8301B6027B for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:45:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.com Received: from srv1.stroeder.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.stroeder.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KMyMDT7Fp5bv for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:45:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.0.2] (unknown [10.1.0.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A592D6017F for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50CE24C6.3000006@stroeder.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:45:10 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBTdHLDtmRlcg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ldapext References: <20121216194204.3327.80452.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20121216194204.3327.80452.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20121216194204.3327.80452.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040800000406030409080107" Subject: [ldapext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:45:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040800000406030409080107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI! Please review this draft intended to be published as informational RFC. Ciao, Michael. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:42:04 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: michael@stroeder.com CC: michael@stroeder.com A new version of I-D, draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Michael Str=C3=B6der and posted to the= IETF repository. Filename: draft-stroeder-namedobject Revision: 00 Title: Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP): Structural Object Classes for Named Objects Creation date: 2012-12-16 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 5 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stroeder-namedobje= ct Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-stroeder-namedobject-00= Abstract: This document defines structural object classes that can be used when no other structural object class seems suitable. Especially the object classes will give the possibility to associate a common name and a free-from description with the object. 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X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:38:50 -0000 Free-from? Did you mean free-form? --Charlie On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Michael Str=F6der w= rote: > HI! > > Please review this draft intended to be published as informational RFC. > > Ciao, Michael. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:42:04 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: michael@stroeder.com > CC: michael@stroeder.com > > > A new version of I-D, draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Michael Str=F6der and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-stroeder-namedobject > Revision: 00 > Title: Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP): Structural= Object > Classes for Named Objects > Creation date: 2012-12-16 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 5 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stroeder-namedobje= ct > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-stroeder-namedobject-00 > > > Abstract: > This document defines structural object classes that can be used when > no other structural object class seems suitable. Especially the > object classes will give the possibility to associate a common name > and a free-from description with the object. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ldapext mailing list > Ldapext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ldapext > From andrew.sciberras@eb2bcom.com Mon Dec 17 13:26:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B7B21F8932 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:26:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.676 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.676 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APPhRtB7St7N for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D429021F8828 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hm9so2291202wib.13 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:26:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=x3lOFgFhUHO5qfpkCYV0h1FiVSJEC+ZcjuJH7xstqLQ=; b=Ttp95+O7CblPTeUfJCpaRHGc67iFKwD42yL73dgamiloO5SgFECvbKQ1F0deDxiFo+ TiUQ7w69TtJOVx9wBVn0CYCuj5cVDu7R/dFt+8RMUit++xmDh73x4hixwxZyGmMHa6vl /J2HanKrSrqS7HTmg0y1klG0vxIFjfM47+8RfXCRK/OUH0VxVBwlLv/5Sou8CFKTbIuW O7mEH552YbGP68tDdrMImyXZVXggiIJD479dIqIncTOH5UOvmkjaDzxHgpR3WbO0ZxKb Lb5sncQ3xZY+Czf4cCsK2DbFsZsuTA84BgKFuKvg/IkiGTX701mqG8k1fTl497osUMCo Bf0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.13.75 with SMTP id ew11mr74031wid.9.1355779566924; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.57.70 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:26:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50CE24C6.3000006@stroeder.com> References: <20121216194204.3327.80452.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <50CE24C6.3000006@stroeder.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:26:06 +1100 Message-ID: From: Andrew Sciberras To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michael_Str=F6der?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04388e1b7af41104d1130787 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmbLUPf2TEqmwKfZZ2YkaS041bbldAcj4kNe1q0KMQsUtaNCFsFPZdvhSDXCB4WrbA9/DVU Cc: ldapext Subject: Re: [ldapext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:26:09 -0000 --f46d04388e1b7af41104d1130787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael I think further clarification is required in regards to the namedPolicy object and the potential removal of the pwdPolicy example. The pwdPolicy object class is an auxiliary object class that is associated with a subentry. I don't think that it's a good example to use in this case because you wouldn't use the pwdPolicy object class in association with a non-subentry object. If pwdPolicy was used with an object such as the namedPolicy object, then I wouldn't expect the policy to work or be applied at all. I think that it would be good to elaborate further on the intended usage of the namedPolicy object and why it exists and is required in separation of the namedObject object. Andrew Sciberras On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Str=F6der wr= ote: > HI! > > Please review this draft intended to be published as informational RFC. > > Ciao, Michael. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:42:04 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: michael@stroeder.com > CC: michael@stroeder.com > > > A new version of I-D, draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Michael Str=F6der and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-stroeder-namedobject > Revision: 00 > Title: Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP): Structural > Object > Classes for Named Objects > Creation date: 2012-12-16 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 5 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt > Status: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stroeder-namedobject > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-stroeder-namedobject-00 > > > Abstract: > This document defines structural object classes that can be used when > no other structural object class seems suitable. Especially the > object classes will give the possibility to associate a common name > and a free-from description with the object. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ldapext mailing list > Ldapext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ldapext > > --=20 *Andrew Sciberras CISSP *Managing Consultant Suite 1, 85 - 87 Charles St, Kew 3101 VIC *t *+61 3 9851 8633 *e * andrew.sciberras@eb2bcom.com *w *www.eb2bcom.com *ln *LinkedIn --f46d04388e1b7af41104d1130787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael

I think further clarification is required in = regards to the namedPolicy object and the potential removal of the pwdPolic= y example.=A0

The pwdPolicy object class is an aux= iliary object class that is associated with a subentry.=A0
I don't think that it's a good example to use in this case bec= ause you wouldn't use the pwdPolicy object class in association with a = non-subentry object. If pwdPolicy was used with an object such as the named= Policy object, then I wouldn't expect the policy to work or be applied = at all.=A0

I think that it would be good to elaborate further on t= he intended usage of the namedPolicy object and why it exists and is requir= ed in separation of the namedObject object.=A0

And= rew=A0Sciberras



On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Str=F6der <= michael@stroeder.= com> wrote:
HI!

Please review this draft intended to be published as informational RFC.

Ciao, Michael.

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--f46d04388e1b7af41104d1130787-- From michael@stroeder.com Mon Dec 17 13:38:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC6621F873F for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nAH2TZhufxoy for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E056C21F857D for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3797260294; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:38:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.com Received: from srv1.stroeder.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.stroeder.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VL2j15SFq757; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:38:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.0.2] (unknown [10.1.0.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B137B6012C; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50CF90B8.4070002@stroeder.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:38:00 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michael_Str=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sciberras References: <20121216194204.3327.80452.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <50CE24C6.3000006@stroeder.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050903010503050302060407" Cc: ldapext Subject: Re: [ldapext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-stroeder-namedobject-00.txt X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:38:08 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050903010503050302060407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew, Andrew Sciberras wrote: > I think further clarification is required in regards to the namedPolicy= object > and the potential removal of the pwdPolicy example.=20 >=20 > The pwdPolicy object class is an auxiliary object class that is associa= ted > with a subentry.=20 > I don't think that it's a good example to use in this case because you > wouldn't use the pwdPolicy object class in association with a non-suben= try > object. > If pwdPolicy was used with an object such as the namedPolicy object, > then I wouldn't expect the policy to work or be applied at all. 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