From nobody Fri Jan 23 08:22:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF41C1A9126 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:22:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3MhrRdZBAwn for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 678E81A8AE7 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 309961D475 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:22:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id F347B1DB07 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:22:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dZEajAsCS3BQ for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:22:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8322A1CE25 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:22:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C2753A.8030902@stroeder.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:22:18 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ldapext@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050809080804080903080409" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:22:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050809080804080903080409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Poitou wrote: > Please find below the list of documents that have been considered for t= he > working group to finalise and get published (in no specific order): For a WG we probably have to write a charter. Who's willing to draft one? > draft-stroeder-namedobject=20 > draft-stroeder-hashed-userpassword-values (informational > draft-stroeder-mailboxrelatedobject=20 Obviously I'm interested to proceed with these drafts under the umbrella = of a new/revived LDAP WG within IETF. > RFC2307bis=20 Recent work also raised my interested to get this in a really good shape = as a possible base line for more sophisticated approaches like DBIS or =C3=86-= DIR (TBR). So I'd be willing to act as an editor if Howard does not have the time fo= r it. Kurt recently raised the bar regarding IANA considerations though. > draft-behera-ldap-password-policy We already shortly discussed this at LDAPcon 2013. Anyone here? > inetOrgPerson 2.0 This will be surely a larger work item with a lot of different opinions (although most people are missing the same things). 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X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:36:07 -0000 =C2=A0 Hi Everyone, Over the years, there has been a number of documents related to the Light= weight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) that have been left unfinished or= are slowly progressing. =20 There are a number of individuals that have interest in re-forming an IET= =46 Working Group around LDAP to finish some of the work and make them on= the Standard Track. Howard Chu and I are ready to lead that effort. =20 I=E2=80=99d like to poll the audience of this mailing list on the interes= t of seeing this progressing. I would also like to hear about volunteers = to work on those documents, either contributing text or reviewing them ca= refully. =20 Please find below the list of documents that have been considered for the= working group to finalise and get published (in no specific order): =20 draft-findlay-ldap-groupofentries =20 draft-stroeder-namedobject =20 draft-stroeder-hashed-userpassword-values (informational draft-stroeder-mailboxrelatedobject =20 R=46C2307bis =20 draft-behera-ldap-password-policy =20 inetOrgPerson 2.0 =20 Ludovic =20 -- =20 Ludovic Poitou http://ludopoitou.wordpress.com From nobody Sun Jan 25 12:40:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D9B1A19F6 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:40:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SS3PKhppyfCM for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D236D1A0397 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id rd3so7795377pab.9 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:40:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bZ3d1vS0YOSY5voX5pYmh2oPzGg2C28Wu2PjMfN/CdA=; b=nNms0q5czRR9lUohpZDgwEYxJ0sB5r77X2Q9UXxVm8lGdJy1AoFBDZoQuHtcNBvWje 59y3dqW2LV82u4PsVdH40ktZ6+kfPQm1I0B6TbdpxbALrYFcZg5oaLAfLjezhAIxZmNj CoA/NiloIobNd9SYy35eqgAQqWCN3wkD0Ln7aCGbrJUZlaOGPN0/kkjbXnxhgtplFSOw 3oXmzOITHvBoSU/e2Px6vJAYzOVG28w8oe/HLglJn0wo/lD9IDaNueWVXh8M+s7p9svy bW5ebkxtNhgREy/xoYvCv381i2cd0iLlsHFb+IEGzdBJE+1Hu/PimfQTBpPYb+vvewlz 0/Xg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkUDZFTAKW05GV+WHvoQ7Id8mL1Aga/I0WlI1QDuf7cNUFUkUbz+z/9D0LXdAAaC0hJJotu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.50.41 with SMTP id z9mr29088919pdn.31.1422218456153; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.132.102 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:40:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: Gavin Henry To: Ludovic Poitou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: Cc: Howard Chu , LDAP Extensions list , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michael_Str=F6der?= Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:40:58 -0000 > I would also like to hear about volunteers to work on those documents, either contributing text or reviewing them carefully. I would like to help where I can. Thanks. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. From nobody Sun Jan 25 13:04:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C1C1A1AD2 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:04:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwK3t4mTlnfx for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A2211A1A95 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56ABB1D780 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CCB1DF9C for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXU1oze0T6bE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD3491CE25 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C55A27.8020903@stroeder.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:35 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LDAP Extensions list References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050104060807060904020006" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:04:04 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050104060807060904020006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gavin Henry wrote: >> I would also like to hear about volunteers to work on those documents,= either contributing text or reviewing them carefully. >=20 > I would like to help where I can. Glad to here that. Do you have any particular interest. Everybody can start reviewing existing stuff. Which could also mean that= you simply ask questions if something is not clear enough. For inetOrgPerson 2.0 it would help if we collect a wish list and then co= mpile a realistic requirement list from that. 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X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:55:36 -0000 2015-01-25 22:03 GMT+01:00 Michael Str=C3=B6der : > Gavin Henry wrote: >>> I would also like to hear about volunteers to work on those documents, = either contributing text or reviewing them carefully. >> >> I would like to help where I can. > > Glad to here that. Do you have any particular interest. > > Everybody can start reviewing existing stuff. Which could also mean that= you > simply ask questions if something is not clear enough. > > For inetOrgPerson 2.0 it would help if we collect a wish list and then co= mpile > a realistic requirement list from that. > Hi, I am also volunteer to help, especially on the password policy draft. Cl=C3=A9ment OUDOT. From nobody Sun Jan 25 14:07:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200491A006B for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:07:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DtFjiJcsanYd for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16C871A005D for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8A2E1D780; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:07:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC381DF9C; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:07:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BfTohzNMcZqV; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:06:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D9C81CE25; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:06:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C56900.8010105@stroeder.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:06:56 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_OUDOT?= References: <54C55A27.8020903@stroeder.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070105020404070904030009" Archived-At: Cc: LDAP Extensions list Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:07:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070105020404070904030009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cl=C3=A9ment OUDOT wrote: > 2015-01-25 22:03 GMT+01:00 Michael Str=C3=B6der := >> Gavin Henry wrote: >>>> I would also like to hear about volunteers to work on those document= s, either contributing text or reviewing them carefully. >>> >>> I would like to help where I can. >> >> Glad to here that. Do you have any particular interest. >> >> Everybody can start reviewing existing stuff. Which could also mean t= hat you >> simply ask questions if something is not clear enough. >> >> For inetOrgPerson 2.0 it would help if we collect a wish list and then= compile >> a realistic requirement list from that. >=20 > I am also volunteer to help, especially on the password policy draft. Would you be willing to act as an editor? If yes, then simply start a new e-mail thread. A good start would be to agree on a goal. IMHO we should try to mainly document current state of implementations of= draft-behera-ldap-password-policy, but also have a closer look on Appendi= x A of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zeilenga-ldap-passwords-00 Digging the list archives could also help here. 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: Andrew Findlay Archived-At: Cc: Howard Chu , ldapext@ietf.org, Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6der?= Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:16:24 -0000 On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 09:36:00PM +0100, Ludovic Poitou wrote: > There are a number of individuals that have interest in re-forming an IETF Working Group around LDAP to finish some of the work and make them on the Standard Track. Howard Chu and I are ready to lead that effort. Excellent! > I’d like to poll the audience of this mailing list on the interest of seeing this progressing. I would also like to hear about volunteers to work on those documents, either contributing text or reviewing them carefully. Count me in, particularly for groups and mail-related objects. Note that there is some overlap between the groups work and later drafts of RFC2307bis. I would like to see groups factored out into a separate document as it has wider implications. I can see some conflict developing between 'do it right' and 'document current practice' - particularly in 2307bis, password policy, and inetOrgPerson. This probably needs resolving early as it has potential to derail the effort later. One option is to do both - possibly in separate documents. Andrew -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | From Andrew Findlay, Skills 1st Ltd | | Consultant in large-scale systems, networks, and directory services | | http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/ +44 1628 782565 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Jan 26 11:55:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791131A0385 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3F-ly0olPfl5 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59D021A039D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C7031D477; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:55:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9B41DF5F; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:55:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WkdqLsJRFyWm; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:55:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DE181CE85; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:55:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C69B95.2060908@stroeder.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:55:01 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Findlay References: <20150126191617.GO25189@slab.skills-1st.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20150126191617.GO25189@slab.skills-1st.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000106070407000303080300" Archived-At: Cc: ldapext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:55:14 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000106070407000303080300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew Findlay wrote: > Count me in, particularly for groups and mail-related objects. Great! > Note that there is some overlap between the groups work and later > drafts of RFC2307bis. Yes. > I would like to see groups factored out into > a separate document as it has wider implications. +1 > I can see some conflict developing between 'do it right' and 'document > current practice' Yes. That's why I said we have to agree on goals for each of these. 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mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982E51A876C for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 04:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from host86-178-119-20.range86-178.btcentralplus.com ([86.178.119.20] helo=[192.168.1.67]) by mail11.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YG4rc-0000YZ-IJ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:03:24 +0000 Message-ID: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:03:06 +0000 From: Mark R Bannister User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ludovic Poitou , ldapext@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailcore-Auth: 12040446 X-Mailcore-Domain: 1286164 Archived-At: Cc: Howard Chu , =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBTdHLDtmRlcg==?= Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:03:29 -0000 On 25/01/2015 20:36, Ludovic Poitou wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Over the years, there has been a number of documents related to the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) that have been left unfinished or are slowly progressing. > > There are a number of individuals that have interest in re-forming an IETF Working Group around LDAP to finish some of the work and make them on the Standard Track. Howard Chu and I are ready to lead that effort. > > I’d like to poll the audience of this mailing list on the interest of seeing this progressing. I would also like to hear about volunteers to work on those documents, either contributing text or reviewing them carefully. > > Please find below the list of documents that have been considered for the working group to finalise and get published (in no specific order): > > draft-findlay-ldap-groupofentries > draft-stroeder-namedobject > draft-stroeder-hashed-userpassword-values (informational > draft-stroeder-mailboxrelatedobject > RFC2307bis > draft-behera-ldap-password-policy > inetOrgPerson 2.0 > > Ludovic > > -- > Ludovic Poitou > http://ludopoitou.wordpress.com > > Hi Ludovic, The following internet drafts are intended to replace RFC2307 and RFC2307bis. They were first released for review in August 2013, although lack of a working group left them largely unreviewed. I did, however, receive many comments from this mailing list a year ago which I incorporated in later versions: draft-bannister-dbis-mapping draft-bannister-dbis-netgroup draft-bannister-dbis-passwd draft-bannister-dbis-hosts draft-bannister-dbis-devices draft-bannister-dbis-automounter draft-bannister-dbis-custom I have subsequently produced a reference implementation in Python, and we are close to having our first large-scale enterprise deployment of DBIS. See http://dbis.sf.net I would prefer to see RFC2307bis removed from the list to be considered above, and replaced by the DBIS drafts. I am also very happy to volunteer my time to review or contribute further to the other documents you mention. Please let me know. Best regards, Mark Bannister. From nobody Tue Jan 27 07:51:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5091A88DB for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 07:51:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1shwdo3DxFKf for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 07:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00BE71A892F for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 07:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 906AD1D321; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:48:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DB91DFAE; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:48:01 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B_fumPuRxgK2; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:47:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8A6E1CE25; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:47:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C7B32A.7050709@stroeder.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:47:54 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark R Bannister , ldapext@ietf.org References: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050707020404010607010709" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:51:13 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050707020404010607010709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark R Bannister wrote: > The following internet drafts are intended to replace RFC2307 and RFC23= 07bis.=20 > [..] > draft-bannister-dbis-mapping > draft-bannister-dbis-netgroup > draft-bannister-dbis-passwd > draft-bannister-dbis-hosts > draft-bannister-dbis-devices > draft-bannister-dbis-automounter > draft-bannister-dbis-custom > [..] > I would prefer to see RFC2307bis removed from the list to be considered= above, > and replaced by the DBIS drafts. This probably won't happen because there are so many RFC2307(bis) deploym= ents out there which cannot easily be migrated. Also I have my own schema built on top of RFC2307bis (not published yet) = which differs much from DBIS for very good reasons. I aim to present it at LDAP= con 2015 in Edinburgh (in case the program comittee agrees). A preview versio= n of that is already in production for almost a year in a large data center. So my suggestion would be to brush up RFC2307bis as much as possible (tak= ing care of Kurt's IANA comments) so that you can base DBIS on that, as I wil= l base my system on top of that. How does that sound to you? 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from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F831A8AAE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from host86-178-119-20.range86-178.btcentralplus.com ([86.178.119.20] helo=[192.168.1.67]) by mail6.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YGD6D-0004UJ-1i; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: <54C7FA23.7000101@proseconsulting.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:50:43 +0000 From: Mark R Bannister User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBTdHLDtmRlcg==?= , ldapext@ietf.org References: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> <54C7B32A.7050709@stroeder.com> In-Reply-To: <54C7B32A.7050709@stroeder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailcore-Auth: 12040446 X-Mailcore-Domain: 1286164 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:51:05 -0000 On 27/01/2015 15:47, Michael Ströder wrote: > Mark R Bannister wrote: >> The following internet drafts are intended to replace RFC2307 and RFC2307bis. >> [..] >> draft-bannister-dbis-mapping >> draft-bannister-dbis-netgroup >> draft-bannister-dbis-passwd >> draft-bannister-dbis-hosts >> draft-bannister-dbis-devices >> draft-bannister-dbis-automounter >> draft-bannister-dbis-custom >> [..] >> I would prefer to see RFC2307bis removed from the list to be considered above, >> and replaced by the DBIS drafts. > This probably won't happen because there are so many RFC2307(bis) deployments > out there which cannot easily be migrated. DBIS supports maps defined in legacy RFC2307 or RFC2307bis format, as well as using the new format. Migration is designed to be extremely easy. In fact, it took me next to no time at all to start using directory entries defined in RFC2307 format from a DBIS installation, it really is just a matter of defining a few configuration maps that do the class and attribute remappings, and they are mostly standard. See https://sourceforge.net/p/dbis/wiki/ConfigurationMaps-RFC2307/ > Also I have my own schema built on top of RFC2307bis (not published yet) which > differs much from DBIS for very good reasons. I aim to present it at LDAPcon > 2015 in Edinburgh (in case the program comittee agrees). A preview version of > that is already in production for almost a year in a large data center. > > So my suggestion would be to brush up RFC2307bis as much as possible (taking > care of Kurt's IANA comments) so that you can base DBIS on that, as I will > base my system on top of that. > > How does that sound to you? > > Ciao, Michael. > DBIS is not a superset nor a child schema that inherits from RFC2307bis, nor is it built on top of RFC2307bis - it is a complete replacement and was designed as such. RFC2307 and RFC2307bis can be completely retired and DBIS put in their place and there would be no omissions. It's an evolution that began life by taking RFC2307bis and splitting it into logic units (separate internet drafts) that make for a less unwieldy document and make it easier for others to extend. Then I standardised the client-side configuration, fixed some of the NIS incompatibilities that had been inherited from RFC2307, added a few much needed enterprise features, and that's it: a modern, modular, extensible, enterprise-ready RFC2307bis under another name ("2307bis" wasn't a very friendly name, after all, and I wasn't going to call my improvements "2307ter", but they could have been called that, because realistically that's what they are). > So my suggestion would be to brush up RFC2307bis as much as possible (taking > care of Kurt's IANA comments) so that you can base DBIS on that, as I will > base my system on top of that. > > How does that sound to you? > > Ciao, Michael. > I don't see a reason to try to improve RFC2307bis, I think that would be a backwards step. The improvements needed to RFC2307bis have already been made, I've done the work myself and named it "DBIS" because I couldn't wait for everyone else to catch-up, and I needed it last year :-) I think if people started looking deeper into the DBIS internet drafts, making suggestions for improvement etc. we'd get to a much better end point than if you have people pore over RFC2307bis again. Best regards, Mark. From nobody Tue Jan 27 14:14:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AF21A9069 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LJAkiNP7Qhv6 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10C061A9060 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 809CA1CED0; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:14:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EBD1D24A; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:14:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mK4RHasbn4Wu; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:14:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96D211CFBC; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:14:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C80DB9.10901@stroeder.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:14:17 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark R Bannister , ldapext@ietf.org References: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> <54C7B32A.7050709@stroeder.com> <54C7FA23.7000101@proseconsulting.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <54C7FA23.7000101@proseconsulting.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020708030502050302090703" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:14:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020708030502050302090703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark R Bannister wrote: > On 27/01/2015 15:47, Michael Str=C3=B6der wrote: >> This probably won't happen because there are so many RFC2307(bis) depl= oyments >> out there which cannot easily be migrated. >=20 > DBIS supports maps defined in legacy RFC2307 or RFC2307bis format, as w= ell as > using the new format. [..] See > https://sourceforge.net/p/dbis/wiki/ConfigurationMaps-RFC2307/ It seems there was a misunderstanding, probably my wording wasn't clear e= nough: The issue is that many LDAP *clients* are hard-coded to the RFC2307 or RFC2307bis schema. The server's data can be IMHO way more easily migrated= than legacy client systems. > DBIS is not a superset nor a child schema that inherits from RFC2307bis= , nor > is it built on top of RFC2307bis Ok, I see. > RFC2307 and RFC2307bis can be completely retired and DBIS > put in their place and there would be no omissions. Unfortunately, no. > I think if people > started looking deeper into the DBIS internet drafts, I've looked into your drafts. But it differs very much from what I'm afte= r. We had this discussion before: IMO netgroups must die, die, die... 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mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCDD1A9070 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from host86-178-119-20.range86-178.btcentralplus.com ([86.178.119.20] helo=[192.168.1.67]) by mail6.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YGFXK-0001Km-QR; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:27:11 +0000 Message-ID: <54C81EBD.3020804@proseconsulting.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:26:53 +0000 From: Mark R Bannister User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBTdHLDtmRlcg==?= , ldapext@ietf.org References: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> <54C7B32A.7050709@stroeder.com> <54C7FA23.7000101@proseconsulting.co.uk> <54C80DB9.10901@stroeder.com> In-Reply-To: <54C80DB9.10901@stroeder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailcore-Auth: 12040446 X-Mailcore-Domain: 1286164 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:27:14 -0000 On 27/01/2015 22:14, Michael Ströder wrote: > Mark R Bannister wrote: >> On 27/01/2015 15:47, Michael Ströder wrote: >>> This probably won't happen because there are so many RFC2307(bis) deployments >>> out there which cannot easily be migrated. >> DBIS supports maps defined in legacy RFC2307 or RFC2307bis format, as well as >> using the new format. [..] See >> https://sourceforge.net/p/dbis/wiki/ConfigurationMaps-RFC2307/ > It seems there was a misunderstanding, probably my wording wasn't clear enough: > The issue is that many LDAP *clients* are hard-coded to the RFC2307 or > RFC2307bis schema. The server's data can be IMHO way more easily migrated than > legacy client systems. I don't see an issue with that. Standards move on, old clients become legacy, and eventually they have to be weeded out. Standards would never evolve if we could never cut the umbilical cord. By the same token, NIS clients could not use RFC2307 because they were hard-coded to use NIS servers. The latest standards are installed where the latest client installations are deployed. At least DBIS gives you an option to mix old and new schemas. You could start with new clients referring to old-style data. Then you could introduce extra new-style data on the side that is only available to the new clients, and eventually phase out the old clients. That is not an option with RFC2307bis. > >> DBIS is not a superset nor a child schema that inherits from RFC2307bis, nor >> is it built on top of RFC2307bis > Ok, I see. > >> RFC2307 and RFC2307bis can be completely retired and DBIS >> put in their place and there would be no omissions. > Unfortunately, no. From a client perspective, yes. An RFC2307/RFC2307bis client can be converted to a DBIS client using the old-style schema as described above. DBIS simplifies migration. > >> I think if people >> started looking deeper into the DBIS internet drafts, > I've looked into your drafts. But it differs very much from what I'm after. We > had this discussion before: IMO netgroups must die, die, die... This contradicts your earlier assertion that clients are hard-coded. In the same vein, clients are hard-coded to use netgroups, ergo netgroups cannot "die, die, die". Actually a year ago you wrote, and I quote: "Personally I also avoid netgroups (or I don't have a real use-case for them for now)." ... which is a lot more passive than "die, die, die". Rather than attempting to kill off something that is used extensively, and has actually proved to be very useful in large UNIX/Linux estates (if a bit clunky), I've embraced them, rationalised them, defined them in a neater and queryable format, and complemented them with netservices. Apart from netgroups, which you are not a fan of, how else does DBIS differ from what you're after? I've made numerous updates to the internet drafts in the year since we last exchanged emails about it, many of those updates inspired by comments I received then, so what is remaining on your wish-list that I did not address? Best regards, Mark. From nobody Wed Jan 28 09:52:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ldapext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA961A6EF9 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:51:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtLo4VP4KQUY for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB1E01A6EE6 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv4.stroeder.local (srv4.stroeder.local [10.1.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.stroeder.local", Issuer "stroeder.com Server CA no. 2009-07" (not verified)) by srv1.stroeder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D8681CF98; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:51:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6BB1DFA9; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:51:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stroeder.local Received: from srv4.stroeder.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv4.stroeder.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 64h3vqYkEvRS; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:51:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb2.stroeder.local (nb2.stroeder.local [10.1.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by srv4.stroeder.local (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A6AC1DE04; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:51:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C921AB.1090309@stroeder.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:51:39 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark R Bannister , ldapext@ietf.org References: <54C77E7A.6010506@proseconsulting.co.uk> <54C7B32A.7050709@stroeder.com> <54C7FA23.7000101@proseconsulting.co.uk> <54C80DB9.10901@stroeder.com> <54C81EBD.3020804@proseconsulting.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <54C81EBD.3020804@proseconsulting.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050509060105030005050407" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ldapext] LDAP work at IETF... X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:51:58 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050509060105030005050407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark R Bannister wrote: > On 27/01/2015 22:14, Michael Str=C3=B6der wrote: >>> I think if people >>> started looking deeper into the DBIS internet drafts, >> I've looked into your drafts. But it differs very much from what I'm a= fter. We >> had this discussion before: IMO netgroups must die, die, die... >=20 > This contradicts your earlier assertion that clients are hard-coded. I= n the > same vein, clients are hard-coded to use netgroups, ergo netgroups cann= ot > "die, die, die". No contradiction, since IMO one can easily avoid using netgroups complete= ly. With my approach the ACLs on the LDAP server sort out what clients can actually see. Therefore you get the flexible access control without the c= lient having to enforce e.g. login access control locally based on netgroups. > Rather than attempting to kill off something that is used extensively, = and has > actually proved to be very useful in large UNIX/Linux estates (if a bit= > clunky), I've embraced them, rationalised them, defined them in a neate= r and > queryable format, and complemented them with netservices. I'd avoid them and convert access control rules based on netgroups into another schema and let the LDAP server's ACL work through the data. > Apart from netgroups, which you are not a fan of, how else does DBIS di= ffer > from what you're after? My main objective is that not the client system evaluates all the stuff. = The client system should not see data not usable on the system. The client sy= stem acts as a dumb RFC2307(bis) and sudo-ldap client. Of course the client sy= stem still enforces file access permissions etc. locally. 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Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: Andrew Findlay Archived-At: Subject: [ldapext] LDAPCon 2015 Call for Papers X-BeenThere: ldapext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: enquiries@lists.ldapcon.org List-Id: LDAP Extension Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:49:08 -0000 LDAPCon 2015 ============ The fifth International Conference on LDAP and Directory Services will be held in the UK at the University of Edinburgh School of Informatics Forum. Tutorials: 11th November 2015 Conference: 12th and 13th November 2015 Call for papers and tutorials ============================= Topics You are using LDAP in interesting projects? You do LDAP client or server development? You have used LDAP in a new way? You have a proposal for a new LDAP standard? You do identity and access management on top of LDAP? Why not share your ideas and experiences with others? We are looking for speakers who are willing to talk about any topic related to LDAP and identity management, including: LDAP technology implementation (Servers, API, User interfaces etc.) LDAP Usage (Schema, Security, Operations, Scaling, big data, etc.) LDAP related technologies (PKI, XACML, SAML, etc.) LDAP and Beyond (IAM, Identity Federation, Authentication on the web, etc.) Best Practices for directory services. Accepted talks will be grouped into tracks such as a standards/development and deployment/administration. Deadlines & Important Dates Submission Deadline: 28th June Author Notification: 10th July Final Papers due: 10th October 2015 Tutorials: 11th November 2015 Conference: 12th-13th November 2015 Talk Submissions Main presentations should last about 45 minutes including discussion; we will also provide smaller slots of 15 minutes and 5 minutes for poster presentations or lightning talks. Please tell us which duration you prefer when proposing your talk. The talk must be in English. The one and only way to submit your abstract (approximately 200-800 words, accompanied by your biography of about 100-300 words) is via email to submissions@lists.ldapcon.org. Abstracts must reach the Program Committee by 28th June 2015. Early submission is encouraged. All abstracts will be reviewed by the program committee. For accepted talks we expect you to submit slides and/or a paper of approximately 2-10 pages (A4 or US Letter format, 25mm borders, preferably LaTeX source or OpenOffice). For 5-minute talks, a brief abstract is required. A short paper, slides or a poster should be provided for accepted talks. We will provide display boards for posters throughout the conference. By submitting a paper you grant the conference organizers the non-exclusive right to publish your paper in the conference proceedings and on the website; you maintain the right to publish it elsewhere at your discretion. Tutorial Submissions We are looking for high-quality tutorials on LDAP and related subjects, at any level from introductory to advanced. Tutorial length can range from an hour to a full day. Wireless Internet access will be available if required. The purpose of the tutorials is focussed education, so they should cover established topics and best practice rather than presenting new work. Tutorials will be on Wednesday 11th November 2015. The Programme Committee has an open mind about the format of the tutorial day, but has a limited number of rooms available. Make your proposal early and we will aim to build an attractive programme for the day. Expenses Speakers get free access to the conference, including the social event. If requested in advance we will provide accommodation for speakers. Travel expenses might also be covered in special cases. If you need this, please contact us early so we can try to arrange it. Website http://ldapcon.org/2015/ Contacts General enquiries: enquiries@lists.ldapcon.org Paper/Tutorial submissions: submissions@lists.ldapcon.org -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | From Andrew Findlay, Skills 1st Ltd | | Consultant in large-scale systems, networks, and directory services | | http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/ +44 1628 782565 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------