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Wolthusen, University of London, USA Mohamed Younis, University of Maryland at BC, USA Adel Youssef, Google, USA _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 06:59:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq73F-00057T-N1; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:59:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq73F-00057N-1F for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:59:33 -0500 Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([195.30.37.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq73C-0001Ib-G1 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:59:33 -0500 Received: from libertango.oryx.com (libertango.oryx.com [195.30.37.9]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D5D4AC2B; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:59:23 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:01:23 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt References: <456B624E.9070406@andrew.cmu.edu> <456DB66D.4010600@isode.com> <21413.1164831117.372426@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <456E032C.70102@andrew.cmu.edu> <21413.1164839812.042173@peirce.dave.cridland.net> In-Reply-To: <21413.1164839812.042173@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: Alexey Melnikov X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Dave Cridland writes: > It would, however, be really difficult to support if TLS negotiation > happened above the compression layer - the negotiation would be hard, > but renegotiations would be exceedingly painful to deal with. That's > why I mentioned this edge-case a while back - it's obvious what > should happen, but it's difficult to put into words. What about: > > Independent of the ordering of the STARTTLS, COMPRESS, and > AUTHENTICATE commands, the ordering of the resultant layers is > always, from top to bottom: IMAP, COMPRESS, SASL, TLS, TCP. For all > these commands, the layers exist after the command has successfully > completed; in particular this means that SASL negotiation occurs in > the IMAP layer, and therefore will be compressed by any COMPRESS > layer present, then encrypted by any TLS layer present, and finally > transmitted by TCP. TLS negotiation happens after the STARTTLS > command, within the new TLS layer. I don't mind using that text, but I'd like a little consensus first. On one hand, we have Ken, Martin and to some degree me, who would like to make COMPRESS a command-auth. Martin put forward an argument for that: command-auth makes it impossible to attack the compression library unauthenticated. (For servers which also offer to compress via TLS this doens't apply.) I like command-auth because it avoids so much hair-splitting in the definition (as Dave too says). On the other hand, we have Dave and Ben, who like the text above. What do other people think? Lurkers of the world, stand up and be heard! Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 08:21:50 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8KY-00005P-65; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:21:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8KW-0008WS-Kj for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:21:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-out.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8KU-0006FB-RB for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:21:28 -0500 Received: from [10.201.0.182] (adsl-64-58-1-252.mho.net [64.58.1.252] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id kB1DL40S016420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:21:07 -0800 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v0.5.1 foon.sendmail.com kB1DL40S016420 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=tls.dkim; t=1164979269; bh=n3EFpzyfaqrhjuFqfZyHL5qt5Oc=; h=X-DomainKeys: DomainKey-Signature:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t0hYSYhbp0WpgRWO QRMtGNeXBcM3nHR4qn1wURXcxCnAmOZbXaREPH4yLtLGlMlY7ktavqUSbVCVqBwKYgr e69iMsqweZ16AJkL6rQdrWAcmq4ZqBvbWuOiTCZnYt2xBraxDRiatqquv+6DKpyMzNJ mql/aWb8YbCAUsZVOUk0k= X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.4.1 foon.sendmail.com kB1DL40S016420 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=date:from:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version:content-type; b=DLkzw0M6/A0z/sw4bRc8H/ZrphMZxw8FD8QOx/YG53Oz/MNqe4geSyWa+8ef94h7Z 7+QpJFF4C+mil9ZBOWghdCDKyItSwTugZEha1MWTE9Ry0iBjRqPNR2NTj2x+WQU2+TT 3rZCgk1wNBjeU4hgHIGEFfcdDbbykwyNHW0nK8I= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 06:21:02 -0700 From: Philip Guenther X-X-Sender: guenther@vanye.mho.net To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <456B624E.9070406@andrew.cmu.edu> <456DB66D.4010600@isode.com> <21413.1164831117.372426@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <456E032C.70102@andrew.cmu.edu> <21413.1164839812.042173@peirce.dave.cridland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: ... > On one hand, we have Ken, Martin and to some degree me, who would like to > make COMPRESS a command-auth. Martin put forward an argument for that: > command-auth makes it impossible to attack the compression library > unauthenticated. I'll note that there's an I-D to standardize an SSH compression method ("zlib@openssh.com", IIRC) that delays compression until after authentication has succeeded, so there is precedent for this decision. > (For servers which also offer to compress via TLS this doens't apply.) The TLS server _could_ refuse to negotiate compression initially but then request a renegotiation after authentication to start compressing, though the additional RTTs would be annoying... ... > What do other people think? Lurkers of the world, stand up and be heard! I prefer command-auth. I like the simplicity and the more paranoid security aspect. I suspect that any authentication exchange that's large enough to be worth compressing will involve enough crypto goop to make compression almost worthless. Running the SASL exchange in binary instead of base64 would be a better gain there... Philip Guenther _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 08:58:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8tw-0006WV-EP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:58:04 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8tv-0006L9-5I for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:58:03 -0500 Received: from smarthost.yourcomms.net ([195.8.160.124]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8tp-0004aI-QE for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:58:03 -0500 Received: from svr-exchange.avocado.emccsoft.com ([212.248.196.12]) by smarthost.yourcomms.net (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id kB1DihG23422 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:44:43 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:57:18 -0000 Message-ID: <22C8A0D5D5E095449AB509FE777B5F80033F556F@svr-exchange.avocado.emccsoft.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt Thread-Index: AccVQEDgCBiEh3YETW2UQuyBiJcZxQAECN2w From: "Ben Last" To: "Arnt Gulbrandsen" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org From: Arnt Gulbrandsen [mailto:arnt@oryx.com]=20 >On one hand, we have Ken, Martin and to some degree me, who would like to make COMPRESS a command-auth... >On the other hand, we have Dave and Ben, who like the text above. Actually, I'm happy with either order. What I like about the text is that it clearly sets out both the order and the way in which the protocols encapsulate each other. I can see the logic for COMPRESS being an auth command and have no problem with it :) Cheers b Ben Last R&D Manager EMCC Software Ltd _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 08:59:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8vn-0001TJ-TP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:59:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8vn-0001TD-0w for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:59:59 -0500 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8vl-0004o0-Ok for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:59:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.137.22] (ntonawnd-cuda1-cable-bundle-68-69-73-26.kntnny.adelphia.net [68.69.73.26]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1DxvdA000874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:59:58 -0500 Message-ID: <4570355B.3010703@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:59:55 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt References: <456B624E.9070406@andrew.cmu.edu> <456DB66D.4010600@isode.com> <21413.1164831117.372426@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <456E032C.70102@andrew.cmu.edu> <21413.1164839812.042173@peirce.dave.cridland.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 128.2.10.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Dave Cridland writes: >> It would, however, be really difficult to support if TLS negotiation >> happened above the compression layer - the negotiation would be hard, >> but renegotiations would be exceedingly painful to deal with. That's >> why I mentioned this edge-case a while back - it's obvious what should >> happen, but it's difficult to put into words. What about: >> >> Independent of the ordering of the STARTTLS, COMPRESS, and >> AUTHENTICATE commands, the ordering of the resultant layers is always, >> from top to bottom: IMAP, COMPRESS, SASL, TLS, TCP. For all these >> commands, the layers exist after the command has successfully >> completed; in particular this means that SASL negotiation occurs in >> the IMAP layer, and therefore will be compressed by any COMPRESS layer >> present, then encrypted by any TLS layer present, and finally >> transmitted by TCP. TLS negotiation happens after the STARTTLS >> command, within the new TLS layer. > > I don't mind using that text, but I'd like a little consensus first. > > On one hand, we have Ken, Martin and to some degree me, who would like > to make COMPRESS a command-auth. Martin put forward an argument for > that: command-auth makes it impossible to attack the compression library > unauthenticated. (For servers which also offer to compress via TLS this > doens't apply.) I like command-auth because it avoids so much > hair-splitting in the definition (as Dave too says). Yes, I'm in favor of making COMPRESS a command-auth, but I won't stand in the way of allowing it before AUTHENTICATE. Note that allowing it in between STARTTLS and AUTHENTICATE makes the ABNF a lot messier than simply making it a command-auth. My main concern was disallowing it before STARTTLS, which we seem to have consensus on, correct? -- Kenneth Murchison Systems Programmer Project Cyrus Developer/Maintainer Carnegie Mellon University _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 09:13:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq98Y-0005g8-3Z; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:13:10 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq98X-0005g1-7z for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:13:09 -0500 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq98T-000717-TR for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:13:09 -0500 Received: from [217.155.137.60] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Gq98Q-0007HU-E0 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:13:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614B2498005 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turner.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14138-06 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:12:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:4bd0:2029:0:2e0:81ff:fe29:d16a]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE97498003 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:12:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:12:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt References: <456B624E.9070406@andrew.cmu.edu> <456DB66D.4010600@isode.com> <21413.1164831117.372426@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <456E032C.70102@andrew.cmu.edu> <21413.1164839812.042173@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <4570355B.3010703@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4570355B.3010703@andrew.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <12642.1164982375.285458@peirce.dave.cridland.net> From: Dave Cridland To: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dave.cridland.net X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [217.155.137.60] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri Dec 1 13:59:55 2006, Ken Murchison wrote: > My main concern was disallowing it before STARTTLS, which we seem > to have consensus on, correct? As I say, I don't see the need to mandate this, but I won't object to it strongly. You actually want no STARTTLS after COMPRESS, by the way. STARTTLS might never happen. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 09:42:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq9aZ-0002fi-T4; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:42:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq9aY-0002fS-88 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:42:06 -0500 Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([195.30.37.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq9aW-0003aK-RV for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:42:06 -0500 Received: from prosecco.oryx.com (prosecco.oryx.com [195.30.37.38]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD63A4AC8C; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:42:03 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:40:28 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-05.txt References: <456B624E.9070406@andrew.cmu.edu> <456DB66D.4010600@isode.com> <21413.1164831117.372426@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <456E032C.70102@andrew.cmu.edu> <21413.1164839812.042173@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <4570355B.3010703@andrew.cmu.edu> <12642.1164982375.285458@peirce.dave.cridland.net> In-Reply-To: <12642.1164982375.285458@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Dave Cridland writes: > On Fri Dec 1 13:59:55 2006, Ken Murchison wrote: >> My main concern was disallowing it before STARTTLS, which we seem to >> have consensus on, correct? > > As I say, I don't see the need to mandate this, but I won't object to > it strongly. I call that which I now see =ABrough consensus=BB and will post a draft upd= ate. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 02 20:12:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gqftc-0000kY-LC; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:11:56 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gqftb-0000kT-Cx for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:11:55 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GqftX-0001EW-5D for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:11:55 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:11:48 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:11:47 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:18:55 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER Thread-Index: AccVfYr4yaAx6oFwEduiNwAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2006 01:11:48.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D129C0:01C71678] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Subject: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org As discussed in San Diego and posted in the minutes, we will be having regular remote discussions to speed work on our deliverables. The first discussion will be on context / virtual folders. The time for the meeting is 7am PT / 10am ET / 3pm UK / 4pm CET / 10pm China / 11pm Japan on Monday, 11 December 2006. Check out for your local time. Agenda: What we want to accomplish Proposals: Dave's Contexts draft, Ray's vfolder draft, any other contributions. Regular jabber chat room: Server: jabber.ietf.org Room: lemonade Logs: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/lemonade/ We also have an audio bridge. Note that Chinese access is not working (we learned this from the last interim), so if you can donate 90 minutes of global-access bridge time, that would be great. Passcode: 39375821# Local dial in numbers: US North Carolina +1 919-997-8994 Massachusetts +1 978-288-4793 Texas +1 972-362-0170 California +1 408-495-5113 Canada Ottawa +1 613-765-0170 Toronto/Brampton +1 905-863-9705 Montreal +1 514-818-3524 Calgary +1 403-769-5487 UK +44 162 843 1170 Ireland +35 39 173 2770 France +33 16 955 2170 Germany +49 696 697 3170 Italy +39 065 152 9170 Spain +34 91 709 4370 Holland +31 23 567 3170 Australia +61 2 8870 5504 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 08:49:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrECl-0002Jj-Cw; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:49:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrECj-0002Je-Ev for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:49:57 -0500 Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrECi-0000Fn-2O for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:49:57 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.99] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:49:43 +0000 Message-ID: <4572DFE4.4010808@isode.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 14:32:04 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-04.txt References: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701995647@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> <45585BFB.4080501@isode.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Randall Gellens wrote: > At 3:50 AM -0800 11/13/06, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Randall Gellens wrote: >> >>> When opening a connection to the submission server, clients MUST do >>> so using port 587 unless explicitly configured to use a different >>> port. If the TCP connection to the submission server fails to open >>> using port 587, the client MAY then immediately retry using a >>> different port, such as 25. See [Submit] for information on why >>> using port 25 is likely to fail depending on the current location of >>> the client, and may result in a failure code during the SMTP >>> transaction. >> >> I like your text and added it to my copy of the document. But what is >> "may result in a failure code during the SMTP transaction"? Should we >> just say "may result in a failure of the SMTP transaction"? > > "likely to fail depending on the current location of the client" is a > reference to port 25 blocking and other modern differences in port 25 > behavior depending on the current IP address of the client. Especially > with mobile clients, this is a big concern. This reads fine. > "may result in a failure code during the SMTP transaction" means the > same as "a failure of the SMTP transaction" but was an attempt to be > more specific as to how it would fail. But I'm fine with using your > phrase. Changed to my variant. Cheers, Alexey _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 12:11:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHLl-00052b-TD; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHLk-00052S-OI for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:28 -0500 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHLN-00034i-Iy for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.137.22] (ntonawnd-cuda1-cable-bundle-68-69-73-26.kntnny.adelphia.net [68.69.73.26]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4HB4Cr006514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:03 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 128.2.10.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [lemonade] COMPRESS - NO vs BAD X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Is a server implementation supposed to use one of these responses when COMPRESS is already active and the other one when compression is active in TLS? It seems like the draft hints that this is the case, but I'm not sure. If only one response is used for both cases, which one is correct? I'm thinking "NO". -- Kenneth Murchison Systems Programmer Project Cyrus Developer/Maintainer Carnegie Mellon University _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 12:53:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHzl-0006Dn-K2; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:52:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHzk-0006Di-Rq for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:52:48 -0500 Received: from fugue.toroid.org ([85.10.196.113]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHzj-0000cP-FX for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:52:48 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fugue.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707E5F432; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:52:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F843E26F8; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:22:20 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:52:16 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] COMPRESS - NO vs BAD References: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Ken Murchison writes: > Is a server implementation supposed to use one of these responses when > COMPRESS is already active and the other one when compression is > active in TLS? It seems like the draft hints that this is the case, > but I'm not sure. If only one response is used for both cases, which > one is correct? I'm thinking "NO". Or BAD? As I understand it, BAD is used for the cases where the client shouldn't have sent that command, and NO for the cases where the server cannot or will not execute the command (entirely), but the client might not know that ahead of time. If that understanding is correct, negotiating compression in TLS and then using COMPRESS is a NO thing (the client could reasonably be ignorant of what its TLS library negotiated), and when the client sends three COMPRESS commands in a row, the last two are BAD. Personally I lean more towards NO than BAD, but I can see that others might reasonably think BAD is the right thing to send in at least some cases. I'm entirely willing to tweak the wording in the draft. (Dave sent you a patch?) Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 15:23:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrKLd-0005vx-4w; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:23:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrKLb-0005vr-Ok for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:23:31 -0500 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrKLX-0007qs-Fa for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:23:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.137.22] (ntonawnd-cuda1-cable-bundle-68-69-73-26.kntnny.adelphia.net [68.69.73.26]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4KNQTT012517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: <457483BD.90407@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:23:25 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] COMPRESS - NO vs BAD References: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 128.2.10.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > As I understand it, BAD is used for the cases where the client shouldn't > have sent that command, and NO for the cases where the server cannot or > will not execute the command (entirely), but the client might not know > that ahead of time. > > If that understanding is correct, negotiating compression in TLS and > then using COMPRESS is a NO thing (the client could reasonably be > ignorant of what its TLS library negotiated), and when the client sends > three COMPRESS commands in a row, the last two are BAD. OK. FWIW, Cyrus IMAP return BAD when the client tries to issue STARTTLS more than once. > Personally I lean more towards NO than BAD, but I can see that others > might reasonably think BAD is the right thing to send in at least some > cases. I'm entirely willing to tweak the wording in the draft. It looks like the wording for BAD is OK. Perhaps the wording for NO should read something like: "..., or compression is already active via another layer" > (Dave sent you a patch?) He did, but I was already most of the way there with my own code. -- Kenneth Murchison Systems Programmer Project Cyrus Developer/Maintainer Carnegie Mellon University _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 22:20:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrQqM-0003TN-CQ; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:19:42 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrQqL-0003T4-6r for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:19:41 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrQqJ-0003Ue-Tj for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:19:41 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:19:39 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 03:19:35 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:50:49 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Updated Minutes Thread-Index: AccYGCtqae/JC4QLEduxTwAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2006 03:19:39.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[32B4F760:01C7181C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2870a44b67ee17965ce5ad0177e150f4 Subject: [lemonade] Updated Minutes X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Minutes updated with comments from the list: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/minutes/lemonade.txt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 06 18:10:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs5ud-0003en-7v; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:10:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs5uc-0003eb-72 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:10:50 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs5ua-0002xV-Vv for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:10:50 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:10:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Monday Conference Thread-Index: AccZi8Pl7zHboBj0TJeMhBBXZkfZFg== From: "Burger, Eric" To: "IETF LEMONADE" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 23:10:48.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[C446A0A0:01C7198B] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Subject: [lemonade] Monday Conference X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0135777717==" Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0135777717== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7198B.C3E5ED47" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7198B.C3E5ED47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please RSVP directly to me if you will / will not be on the Jabber chat = / call Monday, 12/11. -- Sent from my wireless device. 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Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:54:52 -0800 To: Eric Burger , IETF LEMONADE From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 2:18 PM -0500 12/1/06, Eric Burger wrote: > The first discussion will be on context / virtual folders. The time for the > meeting is 7am PT / 10am ET / 3pm UK / 4pm CET / 10pm China / 11pm Japan on > Monday, 11 December 2006. Check out > for your local time. My notes said this was Tuesday 12/12 9same time). -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the first and last month in advance. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 06 21:42:08 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs9D1-00054w-Br; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:42:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs9Cy-00053k-Qk for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:42:00 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs9Cu-00054R-Jl for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:42:00 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:41:56 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:41:55 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:41:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER From: Eric Burger To: Randall Gellens , IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER Thread-Index: AccZmlS2pw45EQCKTWe5RhqFuSqW0gADuwPj In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2006 02:41:56.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[42B67650:01C719A9] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Your notes would be correct. However, the announcement is for Monday, as I can=B9t do it Tuesday. On reflection, that would be Sunday night for China, so we may have to reschedule, based on participation estimates. On 12/6/06 7:54 PM, "Randall Gellens" wrote: > At 2:18 PM -0500 12/1/06, Eric Burger wrote: >=20 >> The first discussion will be on context / virtual folders. The time fo= r the >> meeting is 7am PT / 10am ET / 3pm UK / 4pm CET / 10pm China / 11pm Japa= n on >> Monday, 11 December 2006. Check out >> for your local time. >=20 > My notes said this was Tuesday 12/12 9same time). > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- > You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the > first and last month in advance. >=20 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 06 21:56:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs9R4-0003Tk-P9; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:56:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs9R2-0003TW-T7 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs9R1-0007al-Gf for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id kB72uQvM008312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:56:27 -0800 Received: from [[192.168.1.13]] (vpn-10-50-0-187.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.187]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id kB72uOXu012542; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:56:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:56:20 -0800 To: Eric Burger , IETF LEMONADE From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 9:41 PM -0500 12/6/06, Eric Burger wrote: > Your notes would be correct. However, the announcement is for Monday, as I > can't do it Tuesday. On reflection, that would be Sunday night for China, > so we may have to reschedule, based on participation estimates. How about Wednesday, same time? [Much as I'd personally prefer later :-(] (Monday will be difficult for me.) > On 12/6/06 7:54 PM, "Randall Gellens" wrote: > >> At 2:18 PM -0500 12/1/06, Eric Burger wrote: >> >>> The first discussion will be on context / virtual folders. The >>> time for the >>> meeting is 7am PT / 10am ET / 3pm UK / 4pm CET / 10pm China / >>> 11pm Japan on >>> Monday, 11 December 2006. Check out >>> for your local time. >> >> My notes said this was Tuesday 12/12 9same time). >> -- >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >> -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- >> You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the >> first and last month in advance. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Television has proved that people will look at anything rather than at each other. --Ann Landers _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 07 01:20:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsCcY-0001xc-88; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:20:38 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsCcX-0001xI-Lw for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:20:37 -0500 Received: from fugue.toroid.org ([85.10.196.113]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsCcW-0003NW-DP for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:20:37 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fugue.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904EEF60F; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:20:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36873E26F8; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:50:17 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:20:17 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER References: In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: Randall Gellens X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Eric Burger writes: > Your notes would be correct. However, the announcement is for Monday, > as I can=B9t do it Tuesday. On reflection, that would be Sunday night > for China, so we may have to reschedule, based on participation > estimates. No, it's Monday night in China. China is ahead of the US, not behind. The extremes are very very early Tuesday morning in parts of Kiribati and very very early Monday morning in Hawaii. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 07 05:43:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsGic-0006KU-O2; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:43:10 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsGib-0006KO-Lr for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:43:09 -0500 Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsGiT-00005t-Kt for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:43:09 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.99] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:43:00 +0000 Message-ID: <4577F030.3020900@isode.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:42:56 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Eric Burger Subject: Re: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER References: In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: IETF LEMONADE X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Randall Gellens wrote: > At 9:41 PM -0500 12/6/06, Eric Burger wrote: > >> Your notes would be correct. However, the announcement is for >> Monday, as I >> can't do it Tuesday. On reflection, that would be Sunday night for >> China, >> so we may have to reschedule, based on participation estimates. > > How about Wednesday, same time? [Much as I'd personally prefer later > :-(] > > (Monday will be difficult for me.) Wednesday would be better for me as well. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 08 17:34:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsoIS-000098-Es; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:34:24 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsoIR-000093-LB for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:34:23 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsoIQ-0002gP-B1 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:34:23 -0500 Received: from crowley.qualcomm.com (crowley.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.151]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id kB8MYEER023024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:34:15 -0800 Received: from [[192.168.1.13]] (vpn-10-50-0-108.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.108]) by crowley.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id kB8MYAJP016612; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:34:12 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4577F030.3020900@isode.com> References: <4577F030.3020900@isode.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:33:24 -0800 To: Alexey Melnikov , Eric Burger From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] Jabber Chat 11 December: CONTEXT / VFOLDER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: IETF LEMONADE X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 10:42 AM +0000 12/7/06, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> How about Wednesday, same time? [Much as I'd personally prefer later :-(] >> >> (Monday will be difficult for me.) > > Wednesday would be better for me as well. So is it Wednesday, then? -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make is so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." --C. A. R. Hoare _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 08 17:37:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsoLF-0000hh-MW; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:37:17 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsoLF-0000ha-2f for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:37:17 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsoLC-00033K-St for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:37:17 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:37:14 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:37:13 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:37:13 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Chat Date Thread-Index: AccbGWefpfbVpIcMEduWsQAWy5cvmw== X-Priority: 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2006 22:37:14.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[688B7210:01C71B19] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [lemonade] Chat Date X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org So far, six people have responded. Of the six, four prefer Wednesday. I need more votes before I cancel the whole thing... _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 10 17:14:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtWwZ-0006WQ-CK; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:47 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtWwY-0006WL-M2 for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:46 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtWwU-0002L4-DJ for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:46 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:39 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:14:39 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Chat Date From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Chat Date Thread-Index: AccbGWefpfbVpIcMEduWsQAWy5cvmwBjyrN6 In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2006 22:14:39.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[95F40830:01C71CA8] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org So far, seven have responded, five prefer Wednesday. However, I am sure I cannot make Wednesday, and it is not clear that Glenn can, either. So, unless one hears otherwise, we are STILL MEETING on Monday: The time for the meeting is 7am PT / 10am ET / 3pm UK / 4pm CET / 10pm China / 11pm Japan on Monday, 11 December 2006. Check out for your local time. Agenda: What we want to accomplish Proposals: Dave's Contexts draft, Ray's vfolder draft, any other contributions. Regular jabber chat room: Server: jabber.ietf.org Room: lemonade Logs: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/lemonade/ We also have an audio bridge. Note that Chinese access is not working (we learned this from the last interim), so if you can donate 90 minutes of global-access bridge time, that would be great. Passcode: 39375821# Local dial in numbers: US North Carolina +1 919-997-8994 Massachusetts +1 978-288-4793 Texas +1 972-362-0170 California +1 408-495-5113 Canada Ottawa +1 613-765-0170 Toronto/Brampton +1 905-863-9705 Montreal +1 514-818-3524 Calgary +1 403-769-5487 UK +44 162 843 1170 Ireland +35 39 173 2770 France +33 16 955 2170 Germany +49 696 697 3170 Italy +39 065 152 9170 Spain +34 91 709 4370 Holland +31 23 567 3170 Australia +61 2 8870 5504 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade On 12/8/06 5:37 PM, "Eric Burger" wrote: > So far, six people have responded. > > Of the six, four prefer Wednesday. > > I need more votes before I cancel the whole thing... > > > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 11 03:47:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gtgos-0008UX-G6; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:47:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gtgor-0008T4-0x for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:47:29 -0500 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gtgop-0006V5-HK for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:47:29 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id kBB8kYF6002095 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:04 +0200 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:21 +0200 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:21 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt - comments Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:46:12 +0200 Message-ID: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701E312EC@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt - comments Thread-Index: AccJwTA4VZZ8dc/6Q32Rt0DR668gpQTOExjQ From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2006 08:47:21.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8D03A70:01C71D00] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, started reading my long long backlog of emails. I process them in a timely manner, therefore some of these might be late = responses by now. Here is a small comment and a question regarding deployments-04. C: In the first paragraph of section 4 TCP has been placed into brackets = (so now it is a reference). Many other occurences of 'TCP' in the draft = are not refereces. I guess either the first occurrence should be the = reference and the rest is not, or: all occurences consistently should be = references. I do not have a strong feeling about this since TCP is a = well-known term - it more like observation in case You have plenty of = time. Q: Section 4, par. 2. A question out of curiosity: do You know of any = environment currently that uses HTTP without TCP? Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ext lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org]=20 >Sent: 16 November, 2006 22:50 >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >Cc: lemonade@ietf.org >Subject: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt=20 > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 >Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet=20 >email to Support Diverse Service Environments Working Group of=20 >the IETF. > > Title : Deployment Considerations for=20 >lemonade-compliant Mobile Email > Author(s) : R. Gellens > Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2006-11-16 >=09 >This document discusses deployment issues and describes requirements > for successful deployment of mobile email which are implicit in the > IETF lemonade documents. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-deploym >ents-04.txt > >To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a=20 >message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word=20 >unsubscribe in the body of the message.=20 >You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >to change your subscription settings. > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login=20 >with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail=20 >address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then=20 >"get draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in=20 >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt". >=09 >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant=20 >mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail=20 >reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII=20 >version of the Internet-Draft. > _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 11 04:48:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GthlP-0007I3-5e; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:47:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GthlN-0007Hx-TZ for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:47:57 -0500 Received: from smarthost.yourcomms.net ([195.8.160.124]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GthlI-0004gj-Gx for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:47:57 -0500 Received: from svr-exchange.avocado.emccsoft.com ([212.248.196.12]) by smarthost.yourcomms.net (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id kBB9YRG23540 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:34:27 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt -comments Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:46:46 -0000 Message-ID: <22C8A0D5D5E095449AB509FE777B5F8003489738@svr-exchange.avocado.emccsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701E312EC@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt -comments Thread-Index: AccJwTA4VZZ8dc/6Q32Rt0DR668gpQTOExjQAAPG8pA= From: "Ben Last" To: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org >From: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com [mailto:Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com]=20 >Q: Section 4, par. 2. A question out of curiosity: do You know of any environment currently that uses HTTP without TCP? One of our software engineers pointed out that WAP access from phones is roughly equivalent to HTTP over a non-TCP bearer, if one allows that WSP is a form of compressed HTTP. And there are also HTTP-over-WAP environments. Regards Ben R&D Manager EMCC Software Ltd _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 11 07:21:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtkA0-0007Ty-WE; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtkA0-0007Ts-Eo for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:21:32 -0500 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gtk9w-000730-V0 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:21:32 -0500 Received: from [217.155.137.60] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Gtk9p-0007KS-N1; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:21:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62989498003; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turner.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24104-07; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from invsysm1 (unknown [62.3.217.253]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7BB498013; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:20:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:19:08 +0000 Subject: RE: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt -comments References: =?US-ASCII?Q?<22C8A0D5D5E095449AB509FE777B5F800?= =?US-ASCII?Q?489738@svr-exchange.avocado.emccsoft.com>?= In-Reply-To: =?US-ASCII?Q?<22C8A0D5D5E095449AB509FE777B5F80?= =?US-ASCII?Q?3489738@svr-exchange.avocado.emccsoft.com>?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9144.1165839549.575561@invsysm1> From: Dave Cridland To: Ben Last Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dave.cridland.net X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [217.155.137.60] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Mon Dec 11 09:46:46 2006, Ben Last wrote: > >From: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com [mailto:Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com] >Q: > Section 4, par. 2. A question out of curiosity: do You know of any > environment currently that uses HTTP without TCP? > One of our software engineers pointed out that WAP access from > phones is > roughly equivalent to HTTP over a non-TCP bearer, if one allows > that WSP > is a form of compressed HTTP. And there are also HTTP-over-WAP > environments. There's also been much mention of HTTP over MPEG for DVB environments in this context. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 01:08:48 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gu0oe-000174-VD; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:08:36 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gu0oc-00016z-Mr for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:08:34 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.188]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gu0oY-00033H-Am for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:08:34 -0500 Received: from [84.160.200.115] (helo=noname) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1Gu0oV0fFs-0006j6; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:08:27 +0100 From: Martin Konold Organization: erfrakon To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt - comments Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:08:23 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701E312EC@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701E312EC@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612120708.24487.martin.konold@erfrakon.de> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:b04c3ed30b43fd5a3d557b6dbc75a710 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Am Montag, 11. Dezember 2006 09:46 schrieb Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com: > par. 2. A question out of curiosity: do You know of any environment > currently that uses HTTP without TCP? I am aware of experimenta HTTP over SCTP. Many years ago I wrote a http server and client over proprietary Myrinet in user space. In theory http only requires a reliable transport layer and is not bound to TCP. In casees of extreme concurrency, packet loss, high asymmetry and extremly high latency, TCP has issues which make other transport protocols an attractive research topic. TCP is also a waste in case of a reliable physical network layer like the above mentioned Myrinet. Regards, -- martin -- http://www.erfrakon.com/ Erlewein, Frank, Konold & Partner - Beratende Ingenieure und Physiker _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 12:43:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBeg-0003si-DU; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:43:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBef-0003sX-DW for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:43:01 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBed-0005gk-2P for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:43:01 -0500 Received: from magus.qualcomm.com (magus.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.148]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id kBCHgtOP027999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:42:57 -0800 Received: from [[65.91.54.213]] (vpn-10-50-0-67.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.67]) by magus.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id kBCHgnC4008340; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:42:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701E312EC@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> References: <0FA975F2D8295A448BE3ADC16124465701E312EC@esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:37:17 -0800 To: , From: Randall Gellens Subject: RE: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt - comments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 10:46 AM +0200 12/11/06, wrote: > Hi all, > started reading my long long backlog of emails. > I process them in a timely manner, therefore some of these might be > late responses by now. > Here is a small comment and a question regarding deployments-04. > C: In the first paragraph of section 4 TCP has been placed into > brackets (so now it is a reference). Many other occurences of 'TCP' > in the draft are not refereces. I guess either the first occurrence > should be the reference and the rest is not, or: all occurences > consistently should be references. I do not have a strong feeling > about this since TCP is a well-known term - it more like > observation in case You have plenty of time. My feeling was that the brackets were best used in normative statements such as "Support for [TCP] is REQUIRED" as opposed to descriptive text. > Q: Section 4, par. 2. A question out of curiosity: do You know of > any environment currently that uses HTTP without TCP? There have been many discussions in WG sessions on this topic, including statements that some Java environments support HTTP but not TCP. Note that in cases such as this, the underlying environment necessaries implements TCP, but only HTTP is exposed to the application execution environment. Of course, if you can't use TCP in your application, then you can't use most Internet protocols. That's the point of the document. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Virtue has never been as respectable as money. --Mark Twain _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 18:55:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuHSz-0003Fn-Tu; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:55:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuHSz-0003Ff-AI for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:55:21 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuHSW-0007uI-62 for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:55:21 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:54:51 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:54:50 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:59:27 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: BINARY* Thread-Index: AcceOMqiCQYeToosEduhZwAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 23:54:51.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA140E50:01C71E48] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Subject: [lemonade] BINARY* X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Open question from IETF 67: In Profile-bis, do we want: BINARY and BINARYMIME BINARY only BINARYMIME only neither _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 04:37:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuQYW-0004dP-NM; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:37:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuQYV-0004dH-PC for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:37:39 -0500 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuQYU-0000Wd-C0 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:37:39 -0500 Received: from [217.155.137.60] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GuQYS-0000ZW-Qq for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:37:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B487498006 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:39:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turner.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28651-07 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:39:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from invsysm1 (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37752498003 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:39:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:37:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [lemonade] BINARY* References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <6538.1166002642.524517@invsysm1> From: Dave Cridland To: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dave.cridland.net X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [217.155.137.60] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Tue Dec 12 21:59:27 2006, Eric Burger wrote: > Open question from IETF 67: > > In Profile-bis, do we want: > BINARY and BINARYMIME > BINARY only > BINARYMIME only > neither I have to admit I don't see why this is an open issue. I'd say we have to have both or neither. Having just BINARYMIME was a poor choice in retrospect for Profile 1. My strong preference is for both. Base64 overhead is not fully recoverable by compression, and a BINARY-only client is simpler to write. Since many IMAP servers have BINARY anyway, and SMTP servers will have to have done BINARYMIME to gain Profile 1, I think it's reasonable to expect both BINARY and BINARYMIME to be in Profile Bis. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 09:30:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuV7j-0001V5-Lu; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:30:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuV7i-0001TQ-N1 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:30:18 -0500 Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuV3z-0004oq-RW for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:26:30 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.99] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:26:14 +0000 Message-ID: <45800D83.6060400@isode.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:26:11 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Subject: Re: [lemonade] BINARY* References: <6538.1166002642.524517@invsysm1> In-Reply-To: <6538.1166002642.524517@invsysm1> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Dave Cridland wrote: > On Tue Dec 12 21:59:27 2006, Eric Burger wrote: > >> Open question from IETF 67: >> >> In Profile-bis, do we want: >> BINARY and BINARYMIME >> BINARY only >> BINARYMIME only >> neither > > I have to admit I don't see why this is an open issue. > > I'd say we have to have both or neither. Having just BINARYMIME was a > poor choice in retrospect for Profile 1. +1. > My strong preference is for both. Base64 overhead is not fully > recoverable by compression, and a BINARY-only client is simpler to write. > > Since many IMAP servers have BINARY anyway, and SMTP servers will have > to have done BINARYMIME to gain Profile 1, I think it's reasonable to > expect both BINARY and BINARYMIME to be in Profile Bis. Indeed. I would prefer that the Profile bis is a superset of the Profile 1. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 14 18:06:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuzeW-0003Rj-Ll; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuzeV-0003Qz-0c; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:11 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuzeT-00088o-PN; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:10 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:09 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:06:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:41:44 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: Ted Hardie Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Document Shepherd Write-Up: Lemonade Compress Thread-Index: AccfwEQYgtsCQouzEdugqQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2006 23:06:09.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[71168EA0:01C71FD4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: IETF LEMONADE , The IESG Subject: [lemonade] Document Shepherd Write-Up: Lemonade Compress X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org (1.a) Document Shepherd: Eric Burger, eburger@alum.mit.edu; personally reviewed document. This document is ready for publication. (1.b) Work group review: The lemonade work group provided extensive review of this document. In addition, the document received extra-WG review in the security area. (1.c, 1.d) Further review: This document does not need further specialized review, beyond GEN-ART. (1.e, 1.f) WG Consensus: There are no open issues or internal discussion remaining. There are no members with objections or concerns. There are no threats of appeal or process issues. (1.g) ID-nits: Check and verified with idnits 1.118 (1.h) References: All references (normative and informative) are current RFCs (1.i) IANA Considerations: Exist and internally consistent (1.j) ABNF: Internally consistent and manually verified (1.k) Document Announcement: Technical Summary This document specifies an IMAP extension to compress IMAP commands and responses and gives some advice on how to implement that to the best possible effect. It does not create any IANA registry or define several compression mechanisms: The WG believes that in the long term, TLS compression availability will make this extension obsolete. However, if that should be wrong, the document leaves an option to define more mechanisms and a registry later. Working Group Summary There is consensus in the WG to publish this document. Document Quality Many members of the Lemonade WG, including Dave Criland, Ned Freed, Philip Guenther, Randy Gellens and Tony Hansen, have reviewed the document. Eric Rescorla (non-work group) has provided a security review and also gave valuable feed back. The protocol has been implemented by three servers and two clients and was shown to interoperate. The document has been checked manually and using idnits 1.118, and passed both checks. The IANA Considerations section is sensible and consistent. The (four-line) ABNF has been manually checked. Eric Burger shepherds this document. He has reviewed this document and believes the -06 version is ready for publication. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 14 18:06:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Guzef-0003T8-Ru; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Guzed-0003Sz-Tk for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:19 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Guzec-0008AN-Lt for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:19 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:06:18 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.224 ([10.128.16.224]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:06:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:01:00 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Contexts / vFolder Discussion Summary Thread-Index: AccfwvUgM+EDjIu2EdugqQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2006 23:06:18.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[767D7610:01C71FD4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Subject: [lemonade] Contexts / vFolder Discussion Summary X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org We held a jabber chat on Monday, 12/11/2006. The log is at: The topic was finding a way forward for virtual folders / views / contexts. Key points (see the log for details): We don't care as much about legacy clients as we do new clients, because new clients will be mumble aware, whilst old clients will not. A little more overhead for old clients is not so bad, as most are broadband connected; if it is an issue, they will upgrade to be lemonade-aware, anyway. Because of this, consensus on the chat was to go forward with the CONTEXT proposal as part of lemonade-bis. VFOLDER will go forward as its authors please; we will track it as a work group item, but its ultimate status (EXPERIMENTAL verus PROPOSED STANDARD) will be decided by the chairs at a later date. Arnt did have a concern that little of IMAP gets implemented in clients, and thus putting more on clients did not make him feel comfortable. He will convey concrete issues to Randy who is the stuckee for writing text to explain the problem space and issues we are trying to solve with contexts. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 15 10:14:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvElv-0007PH-VV; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:14:51 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvEls-0007Os-4e; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:14:48 -0500 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvElq-000802-S3; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:14:48 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2462AC7C; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:14:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GvElM-0001Ts-IX; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:14:16 -0500 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:14:16 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] Last Call: 'The IMAP COMPRESS Extension' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-lemonade-compress) X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Enhancements to Internet email to Support Diverse Service Environments WG to consider the following document: - 'The IMAP COMPRESS Extension ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2007-01-06. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-compress-06.txt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 18 16:06:48 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPh1-0005mu-Vs; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:06:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPh0-0005mk-Uy for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:06:38 -0500 Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPgz-0008Gt-IY for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:06:38 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.99] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:06:34 +0000 Message-ID: <458702B2.6070109@isode.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:05:54 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] COMPRESS - NO vs BAD References: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> <457483BD.90407@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <457483BD.90407@andrew.cmu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Ken Murchison wrote: >> Personally I lean more towards NO than BAD, but I can see that others >> might reasonably think BAD is the right thing to send in at least >> some cases. I'm entirely willing to tweak the wording in the draft. > > It looks like the wording for BAD is OK. Perhaps the wording for NO > should read something like: > > "..., or compression is already active via another layer" I've just checked -06 and it contains the following text: > 3. The COMPRESS Command > > Arguments: Name of compression mechanism: "DEFLATE". > > Responses: None > > Result: OK The server will compress its responses and expects the > client to compress its commands. > NO The server doesn't support the requested mechanism, or > the mechanism is already active, I think "mechanism is already active" is ambiguos. I thought mechanism = COMPRESS command here. So I suggest changing this to: NO The server doesn't support the requested mechanism, or the compression mechanism is already active via another layer (e.g. TLS), > BAD Command unknown, invalid argument, or COMPRESS already > active. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 18 16:18:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPsv-0002LU-Hp; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:18:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPsu-0002JA-9z for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:18:56 -0500 Received: from orthanc.ca ([2002:d159:4635::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPss-0002VV-Pk for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:18:56 -0500 Received: from [2002:ccf4:e05d:2:212:3fff:fef3:4d8e] ([IPv6:2002:ccf4:e05d:2:212:3fff:fef3:4d8e]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBILIgGD048674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [lemonade] COMPRESS - NO vs BAD In-Reply-To: <458702B2.6070109@isode.com> Message-ID: <20061218131203.Y1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> References: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> <457483BD.90407@andrew.cmu.edu> <458702B2.6070109@isode.com> Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on orthanc.ca X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > NO The server doesn't support the requested mechanism, If the server doesn't advertise Compress=mumble the client should never have issued a Compress command in the first place. This is a clear protocol violation, and merits a BAD response. (This would also be the case where Compress=Foo is advertised and the client asks Compress Bar.) --lyndon Always Mount a Scratch Monkey _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 18 17:35:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwR4p-0004wO-FU; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:35:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwR4o-0004vi-Gr for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:35:18 -0500 Received: from orthanc.ca ([2002:d159:4635::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwR4n-00009D-SI for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:35:18 -0500 Received: from [2002:ccf4:e05d:2:212:3fff:fef3:4d8e] ([IPv6:2002:ccf4:e05d:2:212:3fff:fef3:4d8e]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBIMZ9AX049080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <20061218131203.Y1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> Message-ID: <20061218142908.C1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> References: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> <457483BD.90407@andrew.cmu.edu> <458702B2.6070109@isode.com> <20061218131203.Y1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on orthanc.ca X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 1a1bf7677bfe77d8af1ebe0e91045c5b Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] COMPRESS: last call comments X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org More last call comments on compress. This are almost all editorial. ------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: Compared to PPP/MNP compression, COMPRESS offers much better compression efficiency, and can be used together with TLS [RFC4346], SASL encryption, VPNs etc. Compared to TLS compression [RFC3749], COMPRESS has the following (dis)advantages: The text is ambiguous. It implies PPP/MNP cannot be used with TLS, SASL, etc. I suggest something like: Compared to PPP and MNP compression, COMPRESS offers greater compression efficiency. COMPRESS can be used in the presence of TLS, SASL encryption, virtual private networks, etc. Compared to TLS compression, COMPRESS has the following advantages: ... and the following disadvantages: ... PPP and MNP should have informative references. ------------------------------------------------------- Page 1: The last bullet item speaks of API benefits. This document can't speak to the specifics of any particular TLS implementation. Hell, we can't even mandate that a COMPRESS implementation support a direct call to flush the dictionary. How about: - IMAP COMPRESS benefits from an intimate knowledge of the IMAP protocol's state machine, allowing for dynamic and aggressive optimization of the underlying compression algorithm's parameters. ------------------------------------------------------- Page 2: - When a TLS librarly implements compression, all protocols that use TLS automatically are compressed (in LEMONADE's case, SMTP, IMAP, and some notification protocol), whereas COMPRESS is specific to IMAP. This sentence is awkward to read, and the last fragment is redundant. How about: - When the TLS layer implements compression, any protocol using that layer can transparently benefit from that compression (e.g. SMTP and IMAP). ------------------------------------------------------- Page 2: In order to increase interoperation, it is desirable to have as few different compression algorithms as possible, so this document specifies only one. The DEFLATE algorithm (defined in [RFC1951]) is standard, widely available, unencumbered by patents and fairly efficient, so it is the only algorithm defined by this document. More word-smithing :-) To ensure interoperability, every IMAP client and server supporting COMPRESS MUST support the DEFLATE [RFC1951] compression mechanism. We could add some rationale, but I prefer keeping it simple. We don't need to make excuses for the choice, although it might be worth adding something to discourage adoption of other mechanisms, citing the pending deployment of TLS compression. ------------------------------------------------------- Section 3: I'm uneasy about the wording of where, exactly, in the protocol data stream, compression is to be turned on. We must call this out at the octet level. ISTR the SASL/STARTTLS documents have good wording for this (in relation to where encryption starts) that could be lifted. It is imperative that there be no ambiguity here. And could we move the examples into a separate, informative, section? ------------------------------------------------------- Section 4: This section is informative, not normative. And that sentence is redundant :-) s/,.*$/./ ------------------------------------------------------- Section 5: The text in this section does not extend the IMAP protocol grammar. We need to add: This syntax augments the grammar specified in [RFC3501]. --lyndon /* Pre-C-Preprocessor to translate ANSI trigraph idiocy in BUF before main CCCP processing. Name `pcp' is also in honor of the drugs the trigraph designers must have been on. */ _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 18 18:27:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwRt1-000316-29; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:27:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwRt0-00030u-M0 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:27:10 -0500 Received: from orthanc.ca ([2002:d159:4635::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwRt0-0001UW-51 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:27:10 -0500 Received: from [2002:ccf4:e05d:2:212:3fff:fef3:4d8e] ([IPv6:2002:ccf4:e05d:2:212:3fff:fef3:4d8e]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBINR6ol049373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] COMPRESS: last call comments In-Reply-To: <20061218142908.C1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> Message-ID: <20061218152332.O1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> References: <457456A7.9020508@andrew.cmu.edu> <457483BD.90407@andrew.cmu.edu> <458702B2.6070109@isode.com> <20061218131203.Y1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> <20061218142908.C1255@gollum.dev.gmi-mr.com> Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on orthanc.ca X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Let me clarify. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Section 3: > > I'm uneasy about the wording of where, exactly, in the protocol data stream, > compression is to be turned on. We must call this out at the octet level. My problem is with this: If the server issues an OK response, the server MUST compress starting with the first response after the CRLF ending the OK response. and in particular '... with the first response'. If that was changed to '... with the octet immediately following the CRLF terminating the OK response.' that eliminates any ambiguity. --lyndon I think 3B2 code deserves its own place in hell. Poring over the ESS#5 code, someone found that there were lots of strcmp(p, "f(") == 0 checks (I may have gotten the exact string wrong but it's close). It took us a while to figure out why. Apparently, location 0 on the 3b had the 3 bytes 'f' '(' '\0', someone noticed that when programs blew up they were pointing to "f(", and the worlds most amazing kludge for detecting nil pointers was born. -- Dave Presotto _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 26 20:59:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzO4D-0006T9-AN; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:58:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzO4B-0006Rk-Jr for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:58:51 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzO47-0003ra-Fj for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:58:51 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:58:47 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:58:46 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:58:31 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WGLC Search Within Thread-Index: AccpWoIbwKo+CZVNEduGZQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B_3250011514_1381333" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 01:58:47.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BB02200:01C7295A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0aa23132abbc731e36938583486affe0 Subject: [lemonade] WGLC Search Within X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3250011514_1381333 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I thought it was done, but it really needed serious editing. The authors timed out, but considering it is a 20-line draft, *I* re-wrote it. The only normative change I made was making the interval seconds, not hours. This draft has no 8-bit characters nor passive voice (except where the boilerplate demands it), has a real formal syntax section as well as a normative protocol operation section, has the correct IPR boilerplate, and passes ID Nits 100%. Do be forewarned: next time I rewrite a draft, I will put MY name on it and take the editor(s) names off... Because I rewrote everything and wrote how the protocol operates, we're re-WGLCing the draft. 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text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --B_3250011514_1381333-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 26 21:23:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzOS0-0004Rm-PP; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:23:28 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzORz-0004Qv-N1; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:23:27 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzORy-000856-FZ; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:23:27 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:23:25 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:23:25 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:23:14 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: Ted Hardie Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Document Shepherd Write-Up: Lemonade Deployments Thread-Index: AccpXfYLNJQSNJVREduGZQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 02:23:25.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD281BB0:01C7295D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: IETF LEMONADE , "iesg@ietf.org" Subject: [lemonade] Document Shepherd Write-Up: Lemonade Deployments X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org DOCUMENT: Deployment Considerations for lemonade-compliant Mobile Email draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments-04.txt (1.a) Document Shepherd: Eric Burger, eburger@alum.mit.edu; personally reviewed this document. This document is ready for publication. (1.b) Work group review: The lemonade work group provided extensive review of this document. The work group considers publication of this document to be very important, as we occasionally receive pressure to publish a standards-track, IMAP-over-HTTP protocol. This document goes into detail why IMAP-over-HTTP is a bad idea. (1.c, 1.d) Further review: This document does not need further specialized review, beyond GEN-ART. There is a typographical error which will be addressed at RFC Editor time: In Section 4, 4th-to-last-line of last paragraph: s/marjup/markup/. (1.e, 1.f) WG Consensus: There are no open issues or internal discussion remaining. There are no members with objections or concerns. There are no threats of appeal or process issues. (1.g) ID-nits: Check and verified with idnits 1.118 (1.h) References: All references (normative and informative) are current RFCs (1.i) IANA Considerations: None (1.j) ABNF: None (1.k) Document Announcement: Technical Summary This document discusses deployment issues and describes requirements for successful deployment of mobile email which are implicit in the IETF lemonade documents. Working Group Summary There is consensus in the WG to publish this document. Document Quality Virtually all members of the Lemonade WG have reviewed the document. The document has been checked manually and using idnits 1.118, and passed both checks. Eric Burger shepherds this document, has reviewed this document, and believes that the -04 version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 27 16:24:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgFh-0006Ha-SI; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgFg-0006GH-Nm; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgFR-0007I3-DH; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:40 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:23:40 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:29 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Notifications Jabber Chat Thread-Index: Accp/UCQfuB5HpXwEdulrQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 21:23:41.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[47C53640:01C729FD] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: IETF LEMONADE Subject: [lemonade] Notifications Jabber Chat X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org We would like to have a Jabber Chat to discuss notifications, with a focus on Lemonade, but open to the larger problem space. We would propose the following dates. Please respond to the NOTIFICATIONS list , not the LEMONADE list . [ ] January 24, 10am Eastern Time [ ] January 25, 10am Eastern Time [ ] Other: _______ Thanks. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 27 17:00:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzgog-0008Ic-N4; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:00:06 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzgoe-0008Gl-UJ for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:00:04 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzgod-0005Yb-Mu for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:00:04 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:00:03 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:00:02 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:59:51 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WGLC Convert-05 Thread-Index: AccqAlUik8WLMpX1EdulrQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 22:00:03.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C8304E0:01C72A02] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2870a44b67ee17965ce5ad0177e150f4 Subject: [lemonade] WGLC Convert-05 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org I forgot to re-WGLC this one. Have at it. WGLC closes 18 January 2007. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-convert-05.txt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 27 17:01:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgqB-0000HJ-LH; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:01:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgqA-0000HE-NF for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:01:38 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzgq9-0005k8-Ed for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:01:38 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:01:37 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:01:36 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:01:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [lemonade] WGLC (agian) Reconnect Client From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] WGLC (agian) Reconnect Client Thread-Index: AccTtxGvUG95un+qEduDuwAWy5cvmwWS3t5B In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 22:01:37.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[9468DD30:01C72A02] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0445662578==" Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============0445662578== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3250083685_3604337" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3250083685_3604337 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I love it? It sucks? I was sleeping when the announcement went out? Eric mis-spelt again, so I won=B9t look at it again? A few, =B3looks good=B2 would work for me... On 11/29/06 8:05 AM, "Eric Burger" wrote: > Because of the number of changes during the last WGLC, we will have anoth= er > work group last call on Reconnect Client: >=20 > .txt> >=20 > or >=20 > >=20 >=20 > WGLC closes December 13, 2006 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade >=20 --B_3250083685_3604337 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [lemonade] WGLC (agian) Reconnect Client I lov= e it?  It sucks?  I was sleeping when the announcement went out? &= nbsp;Eric mis-spelt again, so I won’t look at it again?

A few, “looks good” would work for me...


On 11/29/06 8:05 AM, "Eric Burger" <eburger@cantata.com> wr= ote:

Because of the number of changes during the last WGLC, = we will have another
work group last call on Reconnect Client:

<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-recon= nect-client-02
.txt>

or

<ttp://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lemonade-reconnect-client-02>

WGLC closes December 13, 2006


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 --B_3250083685_3604337-- --===============0445662578== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --===============0445662578==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 27 17:57:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzhi6-0004Zx-GU; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:57:22 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzhi5-0004Zn-Ux for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:57:21 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzhi3-0002ST-Nl for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:57:21 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:57:19 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:57:18 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:53:35 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WGLC SASL-IR Thread-Index: AccqCdbKFRPktJX9EdulrQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 22:57:19.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C7D65F0:01C72A0A] X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [lemonade] WGLC SASL-IR X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Please comment on: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-siemborski-imap-sasl-initial-respo nse-06.txt I would be particularly interested if you could reply if you have implemented the client, server, or both from this draft. Thanks. WGLC closes 11 January 2007. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 15:33:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H01wK-0003M1-SU; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:33:24 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H01wJ-0003Lw-J5 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:33:23 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H01wI-00088y-C6 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:33:23 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:33:21 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:33:21 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:33:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [lemonade] WGLC SASL-IR From: Eric Burger To: IETF LEMONADE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] WGLC SASL-IR Thread-Index: AccqCdbKFRPktJX9EdulrQAWy5cvmwAtYru5 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2006 20:33:21.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A8CC900:01C72ABF] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org As Alexey pointed out, it is worthwhile noting that SASL-IR is a Profile-bis dependency, so we need to get it done. Also, this document falls squarely in the LEMONADE charter. Thus, by most IETF rules, we need to at the very least pass judgment on it. Given that it is a five-page document with a bunch of existing implementations, this should not be too hard a task to do. Besides, Lisa asked VERY nicely :-) On 12/27/06 5:53 PM, "Eric Burger" wrote: > Please comment on: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-siemborski-imap-sasl-initial-respo nse-06.txt > > I would be particularly interested if you could reply if you have > implemented the client, server, or both from this draft. > > Thanks. > > WGLC closes 11 January 2007. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 15:50:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H02D0-0008HH-Uu; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:50:38 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H02Cx-0008CO-LM; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:50:35 -0500 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H02Cu-0000eE-Gi; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:50:35 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA132ACAF; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1H02CQ-0003uj-6V; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:50:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-search-within-03.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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