From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 5 11:07:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C056D3A67DA; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133F43A67DA for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SIr1Sj9TSHiW for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065FF3A67D6 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:07:30 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:07:02 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lemonade WG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000706030307070501000406" Subject: [lemonade] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --------------000706030307070501000406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, As per discussion in Philadelphia, draft-melnikov-imapext-filters is now a Lemonade WG draft. 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Title : IMAP4 extension for named searches (filters) Author(s) : A. Melnikov, C. King Filename : draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2008-07-05 The document defines a way to persistently store named IMAP (RFC 3501) searches on the server. Such named searches can be subsequently referenced in a SEARCH or any other command that accepts a search criteria as a parameter. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-05104657.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --NextPart-- --------------000706030307070501000406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --------------000706030307070501000406-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 5 12:46:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3DE3A68BE; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6703A68BE for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IW1RpsqAB+Be for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BA13A689C for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 192.168.168.142 (unknown [59.182.228.61]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392BFFA89CA; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:46:10 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> From: Timo Sirainen To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 01:16:02 +0530 References: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1219982454==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1219982454== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-14-756761388" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-14-756761388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Hi folks, > As per discussion in Philadelphia, draft-melnikov-imapext-filters is > now a Lemonade WG draft. > I would like to request WGLC for the document really soon now, so > any comments/reviews would be greatly appreciated. 1) SETFILTER: > If the filter parameter is not specified, the filter description is > set to the empty string. What "filter parameter"? "filter description parameter"? 2) I'm not sure if I like having both /filters/ and /filter- descriptions/ reserved. Seems like there'd be less pollution if it instead was either: a) /filters/values/ and /filters/descriptions/ b) /filters/ and /filters//description 3) Also then there's the larger issue of SET/DELETE/LISTFILTERS commands even existing, since they would be unnecessary if FILTERS required METADATA and wildcards hadn't been dropped from its -13 draft.. Doing it this way seems like unnecessary bloat to me. How many SET/DELETE/LIST* commands will we end up having in future?.. Reminds me of RLIST/RLSUB commands that got deprecated by LIST-EXTENDED. But if you really want to do it this way, I won't try to stop you. --Apple-Mail-14-756761388 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkhvz3oACgkQyUhSUUBVism5EQCfe5f6bcKhw6krhe7QmUWloQU1 PJ0AoKHi/DbdATGGqgbiIfPqnuE/4YWc =wrZq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-14-756761388-- --===============1219982454== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============1219982454==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 7 16:01:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E620A28C334; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815643A6B6E for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a0jurpGt-g6Z for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D6428C335 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=randy@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1215471684; x=1247007684; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer: x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject:cc:content-type: x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |In-Reply-To:=20<4853E49D.3000304@isode.com>|References: =20=0D=0A=20<48206629.502 0305@isode.com>=09 =0D=0A=20<4853E49D.3000304@isode.com>|X-Mailer:=20Eudora =20for=20Mac=20OS=20X|X-message-flag:=20Warning:=20Outloo k=20in=20use.=20=20Upgrade=20to=20Eudora:=20|Date:=20Mon,=207=20Jul=202008=2016:00:11=20-07 00|To:=20Alexey=20Melnikov=20 |From:=20Randall=20Gellens=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[lemonade]=20WGLC=20Notifications|Cc: =20lemonade@ietf.org|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20char set=3D"us-ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D"flowed" |X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee =3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5333"=3B=20a=3D"4338754"; bh=pImm3JRKPEZj9Pq7ng1PvnS8C90nQsCeOknl8gBbSew=; b=IFDBTYPrF/c/FO1ukzPopXlTXy9fHhlapv/IqpoaFwZK9+OshvAVQWEL 6HAUoYr2vGK+NBn1/SRBGe2/U+O8XnSeb4yOu8bExP/n61MgpQk5jPIpB hQrRkABkjYv+cJkPFMYqnijbIuREpfvnqoLK6KJaKvUTKeX+whXAenO1h A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5333"; a="4338754" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Jul 2008 16:01:22 -0700 Received: from hamtaro.qualcomm.com (hamtaro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.157]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m67N1M4Z015409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:22 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.22] (vpn-10-50-0-134.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.134]) by hamtaro.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m67N1JX7017750; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4853E49D.3000304@isode.com> References: <48206629.5020305@isode.com> <4853E49D.3000304@isode.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:00:11 -0700 To: Alexey Melnikov From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] WGLC Notifications X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 4:32 PM +0100 6/14/08, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Some comments below: >>> >>>> * NF and DF: When internal to the mail store, these are >>>> >>>> typically implemented using Sieve and hence a Sieve management >>> >>> > protocol is used for client modifications. See [IMAP-SIEVE] and >>> > [MANAGE-SIEVE] for more information. When the NF is within a >>> >>>> notification server, it is out of scope of Lemonade. >>> >>> I don't think [IMAP-SIEVE] is relevant in case of NF or DF. >>> Unless NF is invoked on message flag changes, etc. >> >> I'm happy deleting the reference to IMAP-SIEVE, however, if a client >> is only interested in some mailboxes, rather than having a main Sieve >> script send notifications for all new mail, it might be better to have >> a per-mailbox Sieve script send notifications. > > Per mailbox scripts are not invoked on message delivery, so IMAP-Sieve > is not going to help. > IMAP-Sieve will only matter for IMAP APPEND, but I think this is a less > common case than message delivery using SMTP/LMTP. Also APPENDs are > likely to be caused by the user herself, so there would be no much point > in notifying about them. It depends on how messages are filed. Assuming separate IMAP mailboxes are used for filing, messages could be filed using some on-server filtering, in which case IMAP-SIEVE doesn't apply. But messages might also get filed by a desktop client. You argue that there is no need for IMAP-SIEVE notifications to the mobile client in this case, since presumably the user manually caused the message to be moved. I can see a case for this, but also a case for the mobile client wanting notifications whenever new messages appear in a mailbox that is marked "interesting" on the device. For example, maybe this is an "in process" folder, and the user transfers messages in all the time, and peruses them while on the road, using the mobile IMAP client. At any rate, the only reference to IMAP-SIEVE was in the NF bullet in Section 2. I changed the text to include "[SIEVE]" as well as "[IMAP-SIEVE]" , so it now reads "See [SIEVE], [IMAP-SIEVE] and [MANAGE-SIEVE] for more information." (The context of the reference is an aside about management, so it's very indirect.) I'll put out an -09 with this change. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Computers ... are not designed, as we are, for ambiguity. --Thomas _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 10:31:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407453A6A42; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0476B28C1C0 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcXhL70YxWq6 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2ED28C1C5 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.100] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:31:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4873A450.5060208@isode.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:30:56 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Lemonade WG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lemonade] Lemonade Profile Bis progress X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Hi folks, This is just a quick update on what is the state of various Lemonade Profile Bis dependencies: 1). IMAP CONTEXT is in AUTH48 (just about to become an RFC). 2). IMAP CONVERT is in AUTH48, waiting for Peter Coates to come back from holidays and approve it. 3). IMAP NOTIFY - I need to reply to the last list of comments from Timo and then I will ask our AD to publish the document. 4). Sieve NOTIFY is waiting for Sieve Notify mailto document to get approved as an RFC. The latter document will be submitted to IESG shortly. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 17:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442FC3A6A5C; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD293A6A5C for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:48:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k-GxL6ySd+D6 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ABA3A69F1 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=randy@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1215564509; x=1247100509; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer: x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject:cc:content-type: x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |In-Reply-To:=20 |References:=20=0D=0A=20< 48206629.5020305@isode.com>=09=0D=0A=20<4853E49D.3000304@isode.com>=20|X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for =20Mac=20OS=20X|X-message-flag:=20Warning:=20Outlook=20in =20use.=20=20Upgrade=20to=20Eudora:=20|Date:=20Tue,=208=20Jul=202008=2017:44:25=20-0700|To: =20=20Alexey=20Melnikov=20 |From:=20Randall=20Gellens=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[lemonade]=20WGLC=20Notifications|Cc: =20lemonade@ietf.org|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20char set=3D"us-ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D"flowed" |X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee =3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5334"=3B=20a=3D"4377526"; bh=P3WT13O9KNisiJ3C2eARaLWooKAM+YOV0BQF55XiVZU=; b=lcsRkxTTrlS/V97zbFOVMa6lUI/MLzLNLl+5K4tPVzdu/sO6xPy7PeXv WNGMaXC6NRaeeAAZ6kljGr3+aCgyFa24Skl58gzVnE/Crinih7T9D9w52 RD/XAsTBAC8WhoZqCMvCVVSdKx/ew3li4hgyAS7Sly4oPc2HrbGjqZUoP s=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5334"; a="4377526" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO ithilien.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 08 Jul 2008 17:48:28 -0700 Received: from msgtransport01.qualcomm.com (msgtransport01.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.148]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m690mSMe005788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:48:28 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.13] (vpn-10-50-16-103.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.103]) by msgtransport01.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m690mQl5016326; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:48:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <48206629.5020305@isode.com> <4853E49D.3000304@isode.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:44:25 -0700 To: Alexey Melnikov From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] WGLC Notifications X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 4:00 PM -0700 7/7/08, I wrote: > At any rate, the only reference to IMAP-SIEVE was in the NF bullet > in Section 2. I changed the text to include "[SIEVE]" as well as > "[IMAP-SIEVE]" , so it now reads "See [SIEVE], [IMAP-SIEVE] and > [MANAGE-SIEVE] for more information." (The context of the > reference is an aside about management, so it's very indirect.) > > I'll put out an -09 with this change. Oops! When I wrote that, I was working off an old version of my data (long story) and didn't realize it. I changed the IMAP-SIEVE reference in the DF/NF text in Section 2 to say: Per-mailbox notifications might be implemented using a combination of a primary Sieve script for notifications on delivery into a mailbox (e.g., FILEINTO) and a per-mailbox Sieve script such as [IMAP-SIEVE] for transfers into a mailbox. Version -10 (not 9, which was published last month) will be uploaded shortly. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Did you know... That no one ever reads these things? _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 18:15:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893953A6908; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@ietf.org Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id C9E213A67B2; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080709011501.C9E213A67B2@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-notifications-10.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to Support Diverse Service Environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : Lemonade Notifications Architecture Author(s) : R. Gellens, S. Maes Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-notifications-10.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2008-07-08 This document discusses how to provide notification and filtering mechanisms to mail stores to meet Lemonade goals. This document also discusses the use of server to server notifications, and how server to server notifications fit into an architecture which provides server to client notifications. Gellens [page 1] Expires January 2009 Internet Draft Lemonade Notifications Architecture July 2008 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-notifications-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-lemonade-notifications-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-08180118.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --NextPart-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 02:08:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4AE3A6A05; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:08:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E5D3A6A05 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:08:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q7vtnxoWQnPb for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC543A69D3 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.231] (unknown [203.199.114.33]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C06BFA8A40; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:08:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <032BA5AD-6686-4A09-AE93-55D403282E75@iki.fi> From: Timo Sirainen To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:38:23 +0530 References: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1754381181==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1754381181== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-41-1064102454" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-41-1064102454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 6, 2008, at 1:16 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote: > 3) Also then there's the larger issue of SET/DELETE/LISTFILTERS > commands even existing, since they would be unnecessary if FILTERS > required METADATA and wildcards hadn't been dropped from its -13 > draft.. Doing it this way seems like unnecessary bloat to me. How > many SET/DELETE/LIST* commands will we end up having in future?.. > Reminds me of RLIST/RLSUB commands that got deprecated by LIST- > EXTENDED. But if you really want to do it this way, I won't try to > stop you. BTW. My preferred solution would be: 1. Change METADATA to not allow arbitrary key=value pairs by default. For servers that do allow them, advertise them somehow - maybe another capability. 2. Add wildcard support back to METADATA. If it's problematic with arbitrary keys, allow it only for specific registered metadata entries. 3. Have FILTERS require METADATA, make sure listing filters allows wildcards, drop SET/DELETE/LISTFILTERS commands. This way the same METADATA commands can be used to read, modify and list the filters. If some servers don't want to support full METADATA, there should be no problems implementing the restricted version that basically exists to give the commands to manage filters. No more ugly unnecessary extra commands. --Apple-Mail-41-1064102454 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkh0gAcACgkQyUhSUUBVisnKMQCgmmykQ5ZqPDXvLwM4Q5mnFGAt NEIAniiuMVPDGwmhx/B9EoOtW7apY9sr =XYKz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-41-1064102454-- --===============1754381181== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============1754381181==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 05:00:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091CC3A6A5F; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84453A69AA for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.537 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.537 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1beOlV39Tf9 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822628C0E8 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:00:40 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <4874A85A.9090201@isode.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:00:26 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Timo Sirainen References: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> <032BA5AD-6686-4A09-AE93-55D403282E75@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: <032BA5AD-6686-4A09-AE93-55D403282E75@iki.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Hi Timo, I will reply to your messages in more details later, but a quick note on this issue: Timo Sirainen wrote: > 3. Have FILTERS require METADATA, make sure listing filters allows > wildcards, drop SET/DELETE/LISTFILTERS commands. There was an earlier request from several people (including my co-author) to remove dependency on METADATA. This was partially motivated by a concert about METADATA deployability. My latest version is trying to preserve compatibility with METADATA (or rather METADATA-SERVER), while allowing people to implement FILTERS without implementing METADATA[-SERVER]. > This way the same METADATA commands can be used to read, modify and > list the filters. If some servers don't want to support full > METADATA, there should be no problems implementing the restricted > version that basically exists to give the commands to manage filters. > No more ugly unnecessary extra commands. While the new commands might be unnecessary, I disagree that they are ugly :-). _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 05:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A680528C117; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:09:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8787A28C0FC for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQjTgJahVHtZ for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EB528C0FF for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.231] (unknown [203.199.114.33]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07866FA8AC2; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:17 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <83E7DBFB-F15B-4DFC-A381-CD31F407209E@iki.fi> From: Timo Sirainen To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <4874A85A.9090201@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:39:15 +0530 References: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> <032BA5AD-6686-4A09-AE93-55D403282E75@iki.fi> <4874A85A.9090201@isode.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0414601175==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0414601175== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-46--1072529395" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-46--1072529395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 9, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Hi Timo, > I will reply to your messages in more details later, but a quick > note on this issue: > > Timo Sirainen wrote: > >> 3. Have FILTERS require METADATA, make sure listing filters allows >> wildcards, drop SET/DELETE/LISTFILTERS commands. > > There was an earlier request from several people (including my co- > author) to remove dependency on METADATA. This was partially > motivated by a concert about METADATA deployability. > My latest version is trying to preserve compatibility with METADATA > (or rather METADATA-SERVER), while allowing people to implement > FILTERS without implementing METADATA[-SERVER]. But were the concerns mainly about requiring to implement arbitrary key=value metadata? If that wasn't required, would the concerns go away? For example perhaps this limpy METADATA implementation wouldn't even have to be announced as a capability. FILTERS would simply require using and implementing METADATA-compatible commands for accessing filters. --Apple-Mail-46--1072529395 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkh0qmsACgkQyUhSUUBVismYygCfeTKDe4ZTbamKdeIE7TVgRGUn 3+4Anjh3CzV2oSgA9huzTBxGJ11dz7Vw =JBFQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-46--1072529395-- --===============0414601175== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============0414601175==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 11:45:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCF73A696A; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@ietf.org Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 439023A696A; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080709184502.439023A696A@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-architecture-03.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to Support Diverse Service Environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : LEMONADE Architecture - Supporting OMA Mobile Email (MEM) using Internet Mail Author(s) : E. Burger, G. Parsons Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-architecture-03.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2008-07-09 This document specifies the architecture for mobile email, as described by the OMA, using Internet Mail protocols. This architecture is the basis of the work of the LEMONADE WG and is a guideline for the LEMONADE Profile. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-architecture-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-lemonade-architecture-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-09113757.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --NextPart-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 22:30:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38C43A6AF8; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@ietf.org Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 22BAF3A6ADF; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080711053002.22BAF3A6ADF@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent-06.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to Support Diverse Service Environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Message Store Events Author(s) : R. Gellens, C. Newman Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent-06.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2008-07-10 One of the missing features in the existing Internet mail and messaging standards is a facility for server-to-server and server-to- client event notifications related to message store events. As the scope of Internet mail expands to support more diverse media (such as voice mail), devices (such as cell phones) and to provide rich interactions with other services (such as web portals and legal compliance systems), the need for an interoperable notification system increases. This document attempts to enumerate the types of events which interest real-world consumers of such a system. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-10221510.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --NextPart-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 14:45:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A0D28C41E; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@ietf.org Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 58D833A6C23; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080714214502.58D833A6C23@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to Support Diverse Service Environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : The Lemonade Profile Author(s) : D. Cridland, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2008-07-14 This document describes a profile (a set of required extensions, restrictions and usage modes) of the IMAP and mail submission protocols. This profile allows clients (especially those that are constrained in memory, bandwidth, processing power, or other areas) to efficiently use IMAP and Submission to access and submit mail. This includes the ability to forward received mail without needing to download and upload the mail, to optimize submission and to efficiently resynchronize in case of loss of connectivity with the server. The Lemonade profile relies upon several extensions to IMAP and Mail Submission protocols. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-14143429.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --NextPart-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 05:25:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453B23A68B5; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4623A68E3 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HGeulvs5jbC for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07D13A68B5 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (xdsl-177-118.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.177.118]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E8816471E9 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:25:37 +0300 (EEST) From: Timo Sirainen To: lemonade In-Reply-To: <20080714214502.58D833A6C23@core3.amsl.com> References: <20080714214502.58D833A6C23@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:25:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1216124737.31765.225.camel@hurina> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1384291955==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --===============1384291955== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-cvJ/L4L9Ppd8y4dKoxJR" --=-cvJ/L4L9Ppd8y4dKoxJR Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > When a client (it might be a different client from the one that > decided that the message is pending submission) starts sending the > message, it atomically clears the $PendingSubmission keyword and sets > the $BeingSubmitted keyword. How does that work without dropping other flags and keywords? --=-cvJ/L4L9Ppd8y4dKoxJR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkh8l0EACgkQyUhSUUBVisk/1ACgn++TURqE0BkTVcCGygpTrwIW uoUAnAoLGjXkX66+fWOIx6C0x6T0PbGn =y9oE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-cvJ/L4L9Ppd8y4dKoxJR-- --===============1384291955== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============1384291955==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 05:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EAE3A68F2; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DB13A68F2 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v+a+iiwA2AuI for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2963A684A for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (xdsl-177-118.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.177.118]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3974B16471E9 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:32:34 +0300 (EEST) From: Timo Sirainen To: lemonade In-Reply-To: <1216124737.31765.225.camel@hurina> References: <20080714214502.58D833A6C23@core3.amsl.com> <1216124737.31765.225.camel@hurina> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:32:33 +0300 Message-Id: <1216125153.31765.229.camel@hurina> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0448382031==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --===============0448382031== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-w2C0rjjG/N8C3z72/EIK" --=-w2C0rjjG/N8C3z72/EIK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 15:25 +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: > > When a client (it might be a different client from the one that > > decided that the message is pending submission) starts sending the > > message, it atomically clears the $PendingSubmission keyword and set= s > > the $BeingSubmitted keyword. >=20 > How does that work without dropping other flags and keywords? Oh, right, just by specifying all the flags and keywords of course and using CONDSTORE. Could be useful to give a small hint about that though. --=-w2C0rjjG/N8C3z72/EIK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkh8mOEACgkQyUhSUUBViskyJQCgmb0EuNaZk+/JnS8GejUKmGS3 b40An0zKFbKjxu3jM/mOvlaO7CNqU1+Z =V32J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-w2C0rjjG/N8C3z72/EIK-- --===============0448382031== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============0448382031==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 05:48:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14493A68A0; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DAA3A68A0 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oehs65EPPBrZ for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (kalyani.oryx.com [195.30.37.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A843A684A for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (localhost.oryx.com [127.0.0.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE9F4AC5B for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 195.30.37.40 (HELO lochnagar.oryx.com) by kalyani.oryx.com with esmtp id 1216126125-53639-3758; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:48:45 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:46:36 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org References: <20080714214502.58D833A6C23@core3.amsl.com> <1216124737.31765.225.camel@hurina> <1216125153.31765.229.camel@hurina> In-Reply-To: <1216125153.31765.229.camel@hurina> Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D Action:draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Timo Sirainen writes: > Oh, right, just by specifying all the flags and keywords of course and > using CONDSTORE. Could be useful to give a small hint about that though. Nice to see an actual use for STORE UNCHANGEDSINCE ;) Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 15:55:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE183A6890; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73A93A68B3 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iuhnt33bl0UR for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC443A6890 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.95]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6GMs3616666 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:54:03 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:55:50 -0400 Message-ID: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D15B25ED4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WGLC Profile bis Thread-Index: AcjnlxeQAWEChFtLTrmSKKL8AXdwzw== From: "Glenn Parsons" To: "Lemonade WG" Subject: [lemonade] WGLC Profile bis X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1191167747==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1191167747== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E797.18003455" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E797.18003455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 The end is in sight :-) =20 This is the announcement for Work Group Last Call for the Lemonade Profile bis document has begun and will end 31 July 2008. =20 =20 The draft is at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.t xt =20 Cheers, Glenn. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E797.18003455 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks,
 
The = end is in sight=20 :-)
 
This = is the=20 announcement for Work Group Last Call for the Lemonade Profile bis=20 document has begun and will end 31 July 2008.  =
 
The = draft is=20 at:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-profil= e-bis-10.txt
 

Cheers,
Glenn.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E797.18003455-- --===============1191167747== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============1191167747==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 09:58:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D943A6B17; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA823A6AC4 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zAdCWr+bhiow for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084CC3A6A8B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.129] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: <487F7A22.5090805@isode.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:58:10 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Lemonade WG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org I would like to propose the following agenda for the Lemonade WG meeting in Dublin: ================================================================= Agenda bashing ( 5 mins) Document status review (10 mins) Review of WGLC issues in IMAP NOTIFY (draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-06.txt) (15 mins) WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) Discussion on revising QRESYNC (20 mins) Review of draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt (20 mins) Additional CONVERT parameters for image/* and video/* (draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-params-01.txt) (20 mins) Post WGLC comments on IMAP Sieve (draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-05.txt) (25 mins) ================================================================= Total: 150 mins ================================================================= Comments? (My appologies to Barry for putting IMAP Sieve at the end, but I think it might take some time to discuss, so I wanted to make sure that all other documents are discussed. If people think this is an error, let me know.) _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 11:35:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA1E3A6B3C; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96CB3A6B3C; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xNbmvimsUWYQ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19b.inmotionhosting.com [66.117.3.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39273A6A3B; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=60370 helo=[192.168.15.101]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KJYKB-0007DR-BE; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:31 -0700 Message-Id: <635C1CCE-1336-4C99-AAB9-7D1E73B97660@standardstrack.com> From: Eric Burger To: Chris Newman , iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:35:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] Document Shepherd Write-up: Lemonade IMAP NOTIFY X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org DOCUMENT: The IMAP NOTIFY Extension draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-06.txt (Standards Track) (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Eric Burger is the document shepherd for this document. The document is ready for publication. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? This document was extensively reviewed by the Lemonade WG. Issues raised were addressed in the latest draft. There are no concerns about the depth of the reviews. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? No concerns. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. No specific concerns. No IPR disclosure was filed for this document. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? There is a solid WG consensus behind the document. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) No. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? IDnits 2.08.10 was used to verify the document. It reported missing Table of Content <>, 2 outdated references (which can be fixed by the RFC editor. BTW, the references *were* correct when the draft was posted) and 1 missing reference, which is not a reference (it is an IMAP response code). (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. Yes, references are properly split. There are no downward normative references. There are 3 normative references to drafts. One of them (draft- cridland-imap-context-05.txt) is in AUTH48, the other one (draft-ietf- lemonade-msgevent-05.txt) is in IESG review. And the last one is past IETF LC and should be finished shortly after Dublin (draft-daboo-imap- annotatemore-13.txt). (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC2434]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? The IANA considerations section exists and is clearly defined. It contains registration of a new IMAP extension and registration of a new LIST-EXTENDED extended data item. It doesn't create new IANA registries. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? The document passes Bill Fenner's ABNF Parser. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary Relevant content can frequently be found in the abstract and/or introduction of the document. If not, this may be an indication that there are deficiencies in the abstract or introduction. The IDLE command (defined in [RFC2177]) provides a way for the client to go into a mode where the IMAP server pushes notifications about IMAP mailstore events for the selected mailbox. However, the IDLE extension doesn't restrict or control which server events can be sent, or what information the server sends in response to each event. Also, IDLE only applies to the selected mailbox, thus requiring an additional TCP connection per mailbox. This document defines an IMAP extension that allows clients to express their preferences about unsolicited events generated by the server. The extension allows clients to only receive events they are interested in, while servers know that they don't need to go into effort of generating certain types of untagged responses. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? There was an early discussion about document allowing mailbox matching criteria that were too expensive to implement in servers. The current draft represents consensus among active WG members. There was a discussion about not having any events tied together. However some implementers expressed concerns about difficulty of implementing certain event combinations untied. The current text is a compromise and represents consensus among active WG members. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type review, on what date was the request posted? Multiple client developers (at least 4) expressed the desire to have this feature. Multiple server developers committed to implement the extension (at least 3) and a couple of developers already have prototype implementations. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Who is the Responsible Area Director? Eric Burger is the document shepherd for this document. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 16:38:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779E73A68D9; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:38:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF873A68D9; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.18 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.18 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.181, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DeBPnA7XL7cI; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CB73A67B6; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id C1E241440D6; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:39:15 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20080717233915.C1E241440D6@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [lemonade] RFC 5259 on Internet Message Access Protocol - CONVERT Extension X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5259 Title: Internet Message Access Protocol - CONVERT Extension Author: A. Melnikov, Ed., P. Coates, Ed. Status: Standards Track Date: July 2008 Mailbox: Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com, peter.coates@Sun.COM Pages: 30 Characters: 63831 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-lemonade-convert-20.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5259.txt CONVERT defines extensions to IMAP allowing clients to request adaptation and/or transcoding of attachments. Clients can specify the conversion details or allow servers to decide based on knowledge of client capabilities, on user or administrator preferences, or on server settings. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 20 10:47:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447F03A6841; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:47:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9760F3A67D6 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:47:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBVlZQQGoLJk for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from episteme-software.com (www.episteme-software.com [75.145.176.241]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA933A6841 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.145.176.242] (127.0.0.1) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.7); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:48:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: presnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <487F7A22.5090805@isode.com> References: <487F7A22.5090805@isode.com> User-Agent: Eudora 6.2.5b1(Macintosh) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:48:21 -0500 To: Alexey Melnikov From: Pete Resnick Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On 7/17/08 at 5:58 PM +0100, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >I would like to propose the following agenda for the Lemonade WG >meeting in Dublin: > >================================================================= >Agenda bashing ( 5 mins) OK. >Document status review (10 mins) Can Eric and/or Glenn send this out to the list this week so we don't have to waste time on it during the meeting? >Review of WGLC issues in IMAP NOTIFY >(draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-06.txt) (15 mins) I count one (1) open issue here, and that one is purely textual, correct? >WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis >(draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) Yup. Very little on the list so far. >Discussion on revising QRESYNC (20 mins) OK. >Review of draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt (20 mins) Yup, except for Timo, near silence on the list. >Additional CONVERT parameters for image/* and video/* >(draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-params-01.txt) (20 mins) OK. >Post WGLC comments on IMAP Sieve >(draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-05.txt) (25 mins) > >(My appologies to Barry for putting IMAP Sieve at the end, but I >think it might take some time to discuss, so I wanted to make sure >that all other documents are discussed. If people think this is an >error, let me know.) There's nothing on the LEMONADE list on this. I haven't kept up with SIEVE. Are there issues? pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 20 11:08:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2EE3A6A47; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0153A6A47 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E4nulZISG2nE for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BE23A6841 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (xdsl-177-118.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.177.118]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B40916471F1; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:08:40 +0300 (EEST) From: Timo Sirainen To: Pete Resnick In-Reply-To: References: <487F7A22.5090805@isode.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:08:39 +0300 Message-Id: <1216577319.31765.528.camel@hurina> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Cc: Lemonade WG , Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0098881723==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --===============0098881723== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-06wYurD7dVR0VWncFTHH" --=-06wYurD7dVR0VWncFTHH Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 12:48 -0500, Pete Resnick wrote: > >Post WGLC comments on IMAP Sieve=20 > >(draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-05.txt) (25 mins) > > > >(My appologies to Barry for putting IMAP Sieve at the end, but I=20 > >think it might take some time to discuss, so I wanted to make sure=20 > >that all other documents are discussed. If people think this is an=20 > >error, let me know.) >=20 > There's nothing on the LEMONADE list on this. I haven't kept up with=20 > SIEVE. Are there issues? Some issues were pointed out in ietf-mta-filters: http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/msg03973.html Based on Ned's comments it doesn't feel like it's ready.. --=-06wYurD7dVR0VWncFTHH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkiDfycACgkQyUhSUUBVism8MACdFV3/plpz76MPFUit/ZSN7SG2 2W8AnR6nQdTb00J/Fc+BZQvfWCFFJ/fh =uG+n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-06wYurD7dVR0VWncFTHH-- --===============0098881723== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============0098881723==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 05:05:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0ED83A6910; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCCF3A67B5 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.130, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSKL7GzkgiYI for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337C23A6910 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:06:26 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <48847BC1.9030909@isode.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:06:25 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Pete Resnick References: <487F7A22.5090805@isode.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Pete Resnick wrote: > On 7/17/08 at 5:58 PM +0100, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Review of WGLC issues in IMAP NOTIFY >> (draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-06.txt) (15 mins) > > I count one (1) open issue here, Yes: Timo's suggestion. > and that one is purely textual, correct? No, it would require some ABNF changes, etc. But hopefully it is not going to be controversial. Chris Newman also did his AD review. Most of the issues he found are straight bugs that I don't think need to be discussed. But there might be some issues worth going through during the meeting. I will followup on this in a separate email. >> WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis >> (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) > > Yup. Very little on the list so far. Please do your share and review the document ;-). [...] >> Post WGLC comments on IMAP Sieve >> (draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-05.txt) (25 mins) >> >> (My appologies to Barry for putting IMAP Sieve at the end, but I >> think it might take some time to discuss, so I wanted to make sure >> that all other documents are discussed. If people think this is an >> error, let me know.) > > There's nothing on the LEMONADE list on this. I haven't kept up with > SIEVE. Are there issues? Timo already posted a link to the relevant message from Ned. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 05:07:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F4E3A6943; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2F23A6943 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OKqVx6aXm2Ur for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19b.inmotionhosting.com [66.117.3.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AAE3A6910 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=60281 helo=[192.168.15.102]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KKuBQ-0004us-RB for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:08:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Eric Burger To: lemonade@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:08:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [lemonade] Document Status X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Please take a look at the document status link at http://www.standardstrack.com We will not be spending time in Dublin to talk about status, as we can do that just as effectively (actually, more effectively) here on the list. Thanks. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 05:10:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B855A28C0E3; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2BE3A6975 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKBlMg6xLhOh for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1773A6941 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:13 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <48847CE0.7040000@isode.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:12 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: lemonade@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Document Status X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Eric Burger wrote: > Please take a look at the document status link at > http://www.standardstrack.com I.e. > We will not be spending time in Dublin to talk about status, as we > can do that just as effectively (actually, more effectively) here on > the list. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 09:27:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3323A6A27; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7753A6A27 for ; 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Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Karp To: Pete Resnick Message-ID: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.8_GA_2462.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF2.0 (Win)/5.0.8_GA_2462.RHEL4_64) Cc: Lemonade WG , Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > >WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis > >(draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) > > Yup. Very little on the list so far. Wait a sec -- we slipped an entirely new mandatory server and protocol into -10 a few days before Last Call? Can we reconsider this? _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 10:30:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7EF3A6ADB; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A0C3A6AD8 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d6NMJcimkz0L for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564D3A6AC1 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.190] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:30:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:30:29 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Dan Karp References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Dan Karp wrote: >>>WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis >>>(draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) >>> >>> >>Yup. Very little on the list so far. >> >> >Wait a sec -- we slipped an entirely new mandatory server and protocol >into -10 a few days before Last Call? Can we reconsider this? > > WGLC is the right time to discuss topics like this. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 10:37:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB2B3A69F1; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66C03A67A8 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AuZyyKoBlZZF for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (kalyani.oryx.com [195.30.37.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138193A69F1 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (localhost.oryx.com [127.0.0.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1131F4AC59; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:38:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 195.30.37.40 (HELO lochnagar.oryx.com) by kalyani.oryx.com with esmtp id 1216661883-96643-102; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:38:03 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:36:08 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Alexey Melnikov writes: > Dan Karp wrote: >>>> WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis >>>> (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) >>> >>> Yup. Very little on the list so far. >> Wait a sec -- we slipped an entirely new mandatory server and >> protocol into -10 a few days before Last Call? Can we reconsider >> this? > > WGLC is the right time to discuss topics like this. No, WGLC is the last chance to, &c. I am not thrilled by this. Now lemonade gets to block on the magical managesieve port question, and why? I do not remember a flood of questions on the list about the deplorable omission of managesieve. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 10:20:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E6F3A6A4E; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31853A6407 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gHpUQ1U+IMhM for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19b.inmotionhosting.com [66.117.3.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED8A3A6A4E for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=63838 helo=[192.168.15.101]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLi1X-0000q3-Jp; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:21:11 -0700 Message-Id: From: Eric Burger To: Arnt Gulbrandsen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:21:12 -0400 References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Is WGLC the right time to introduce something totally new? Not normally, but it is not disallowed, either. I would offer the issue is not so much sneaking something in at the last minute, but forgetting to mention it long ago. We always knew lemonade would use SIEVE. We always knew we would have to manage SIEVE somehow. We just forgot to say so. So... Whilst it seems late to mention ManageSIEVE in profile-bis, it is in the document that is in WGLC. If there are substantive WGLC comments, please make them. On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Alexey Melnikov writes: >> Dan Karp wrote: >>>>> WGLC issues for Lemonade Profile Bis (draft-ietf-lemonade- >>>>> profile-bis-10.txt) (35 mins) >>>> >>>> Yup. Very little on the list so far. > >>> Wait a sec -- we slipped an entirely new mandatory server and >>> protocol into -10 a few days before Last Call? Can we reconsider >>> this? >> >> WGLC is the right time to discuss topics like this. > > No, WGLC is the last chance to, &c. > > I am not thrilled by this. Now lemonade gets to block on the magical > managesieve port question, and why? I do not remember a flood of > questions on the list about the deplorable omission of managesieve. > > Arnt > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade > Supplemental Web Site: > http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 12:47:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6E23A6A50; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CCF3A6A6B for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.176, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Gvi7nCsMpmD for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (kalyani.oryx.com [195.30.37.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4183A68B8 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (localhost.oryx.com [127.0.0.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD924AC78 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 195.30.37.40 (HELO lochnagar.oryx.com) by kalyani.oryx.com with esmtp id 1216842463-17711-1 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:47:43 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:45:52 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Eric Burger writes: > Is WGLC the right time to introduce something totally new? Not > normally, but it is not disallowed, either. Right. > I would offer the issue is not so much sneaking something in at the > last minute, but forgetting to mention it long ago. > > We always knew lemonade would use SIEVE. We always knew we would have > to manage SIEVE somehow. We just forgot to say so. > > So... > > Whilst it seems late to mention ManageSIEVE in profile-bis, it is in > the document that is in WGLC. If there are substantive WGLC > comments, please make them. OK. 1. Managesieve's use of port 2000 is begging for trouble. IMO the best option would be for IANA to assign port 2000 to Managesieve, but IANA might see that differently. Second best in my opinion would be to say "do a SRV lookup for _managesieve._tcp. and connect to that", where is the email address domain. 2. I'm vaguely unhappy about the setactive command. Not quite unhappy enough to have mentioned it before, but since you ask: it seems a little ot of touch with putscript. One user can upload many sieve scripts, but can setactive only one. There's no way to use one sieve script for one alias (or role account) and another for another. I've no suggestions, but you asked for comments, not only for suggestions ;) Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 14:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624CD3A68B7; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE71C3A68B7 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.646 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GjTJDlZ2Sff7 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19b.inmotionhosting.com [66.117.3.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8037C3A6819 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=60722 helo=[192.168.15.102]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmAR-0001lg-4n; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:46:39 -0700 Message-Id: <01A66D5D-D899-4E3E-B394-534814133A8C@standardstrack.com> From: Eric Burger To: Arnt Gulbrandsen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:46:42 -0400 References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Comments are better than nothing. Anyone else? On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Eric Burger writes: >> Is WGLC the right time to introduce something totally new? Not >> normally, but it is not disallowed, either. > > Right. > >> I would offer the issue is not so much sneaking something in at >> the last minute, but forgetting to mention it long ago. >> >> We always knew lemonade would use SIEVE. We always knew we would >> have to manage SIEVE somehow. We just forgot to say so. >> >> So... >> >> Whilst it seems late to mention ManageSIEVE in profile-bis, it is >> in the document that is in WGLC. If there are substantive WGLC >> comments, please make them. > > OK. > > 1. Managesieve's use of port 2000 is begging for trouble. IMO the > best option would be for IANA to assign port 2000 to Managesieve, > but IANA might see that differently. > > Second best in my opinion would be to say "do a SRV lookup for > _managesieve._tcp. and connect to that", where is > the email address domain. > > 2. I'm vaguely unhappy about the setactive command. Not quite > unhappy enough to have mentioned it before, but since you ask: it > seems a little ot of touch with putscript. One user can upload many > sieve scripts, but can setactive only one. There's no way to use one > sieve script for one alias (or role account) and another for another. > > I've no suggestions, but you asked for comments, not only for > suggestions ;) > > Arnt > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade > Supplemental Web Site: > http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 11:43:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6F53A6911; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0233A69D3 for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Please volunteer now and be forever loved, honored, and cherished. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:13:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09CF3A6A76; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3E028C13F for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZTx36qjYSi+3 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > Whilst it seems late to mention ManageSIEVE in profile-bis, it is in > the document that is in WGLC. If there are substantive WGLC comments, > please make them. A few comments; you can decide if they qualify as "substantive": - profile-bis should go to press after all its dependencies are published. You can assume that ManageSIEVE will be acceptable in its final form, but that's a non-negligible risk. - ManageSIEVE introduces a new server and protocol that's similar but not identical to IMAP. I understand that a separate ManageSIEVE server is useful in the abstract case where you're not sure what other services will be available on a server. But in the Lemonade case, there *must* be an IMAP server running -- is there no way to find a middle ground that merges these IMAP-like SIEVE functions into the IMAP server? Writing Yet Another Slightly-Different Server is a pain in the kiester that I'd prefer to avoid if at all possible. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 18:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5124028C10B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5B828C10B for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QJAYSqOANwRr for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [66.59.230.40]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D8A28C0F6 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkim-sign.mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01MXJKE19GOW00DYLA@mauve.mrochek.com> for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01MXI5784Q9S00007A@mauve.mrochek.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=mrochek.com; s=mauve; t=1216948471; h=Date: From:Subject:MIME-version:Content-type; b=uwiZmOORiQgze8JvI7h6OCANs +y3bx9WN6CWKvuaAuT01crxuYwbGaUC+4YWm13wPpKwxO6JCBFMYL6ssRWoxw== Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ned Freed In-reply-to: "Your message dated Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:12:56 -0700 (PDT)" <1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> To: Dan Karp Message-id: <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <480436090.137141216933705734.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > > Whilst it seems late to mention ManageSIEVE in profile-bis, it is in > > the document that is in WGLC. If there are substantive WGLC comments, > > please make them. > A few comments; you can decide if they qualify as "substantive": > - profile-bis should go to press after all its dependencies are > published. You can assume that ManageSIEVE will be acceptable in > its final form, but that's a non-negligible risk. FWIW, ManageSieve is about to go to IETF last call. I will also point out that the design of ManageSieve is out of scope for Lemonade; this is properly the purview of the Sieve WG. > - ManageSIEVE introduces a new server and protocol that's similar but > not identical to IMAP. I understand that a separate ManageSIEVE server > is useful in the abstract case where you're not sure what other services > will be available on a server. But in the Lemonade case, there *must* > be an IMAP server running -- is there no way to find a middle ground that > merges these IMAP-like SIEVE functions into the IMAP server? Writing > Yet Another Slightly-Different Server is a pain in the kiester that I'd > prefer to avoid if at all possible. Sure, and while we're at it why not put in SMTP submit, and ACAP, and maybe LDAP? IMAP is already too complex and performs at least one function too many (mailbox lists handling). If anything we should be looking for ways to simplify it, not ways to cram more stuff into it, especially stuff that's largely unrelated to its core mission of providing mail access. The more stuff you cram into a single server, the more it constrains that server to a particular style of operation that may not be appropriate for all its functions. It also creates a single point of failure. I also like the freedom of being able to put the ManageSieve server somewhere other than the IMAP server. In particular, I want the freedom to colocate the ManageSieve server where the sieves themselves are stored, which may or may not be part of the Message Store. Mind you, I think using the IMAP protocol style for something as simple as ManageSieve is overkill. But IMO not abandoning the installed base trumps the small gain we'd get by shifting to a simpler protocol style. Ned P.S. My indifference to profiles in general extends to whether or not ManageSieve is part of Lemonade profile-bis. However, this is morping into a discussion of how Sieve management should be done, which does concern me. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 19:10:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B1E3A68DC; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9E93A63D3 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9LC-4yoFqbB for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blu0-omc3-s2.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s2.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.77]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB80A3A68A9 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLU126-W9 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.124.149.117] From: Mark Crispin To: Ned Freed Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:21 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> References: <480436090.137141216933705734.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2008 02:10:22.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[97F15950:01C8EDFB] Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This may get me banned, but I have to say it. > Sure, and while we're at it why not put in SMTP submit, and ACAP, and > maybe LDAP? If you are really going to put orthogonal functionality into IMAP, what IMAP needs is calendaring, contacts management, and task list management. That is the standard set by Exchange; and yes, boys and girls, Exchange is the standard. Of course, given the proven utter incompetence of the IETF to build decent protocols to accomplish calendaring, contacts management, and task list management, such an undertaking would have failed even more spectacularly than the Lemonade effort is failing. > IMAP is already too complex and performs at least one function too many > (mailbox lists handling). If anything we should be looking for ways to simplify > it, not ways to cram more stuff into it, especially stuff that's largely > unrelated to its core mission of providing mail access. I'm glad to see that someone else has come around to saying what I've been saying for the past 22 years. > The more stuff you cram into a single server, the more it constrains that > server to a particular style of operation that may not be appropriate for all > its functions. It also creates a single point of failure. As the kids say, "well duh!" My jaw drops at the ridiculous number of IMAP extensions that Lemonade has created. Everybody and their grandmother has their own favorite little tweak, and all these tweaks went in because there is no responsible adult to say "no". It's just like all the crap that was added into TELNET and FTP; and not just the old crap but also the new crap after the advent of SSH. Now there is this ridiculous "Profile" that supposedly people will pay attention to. Microsoft won't do any of this crap. Nor will Google. Nor will Apple. This working group should have disbanded immediately after creating the trio. The odds were always slender, but at least there was a chance. Notifications should have been punted to another working group. If you want to make a useful Profile, then you delete everything that there is there now, and add "implement the trio, and forget about all the other RFCs that mention Lemonade." You're deluding yourselves otherwise. The only IMAP capabilities that are really needed are STARTTLS, LOGINDISABLED, and maybe UIDPLUS. Mobile devices need URLAUTH and CATENATE. Everything else is fluff. -- Mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 03:39:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D0528C178; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA77A28C0F3 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9+Iso7kpUvJ for ; 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Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogfood.zimbra.com (dogfood.zimbra.com [207.126.229.140]) by mta03.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4AD780BD; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Karp To: Ned Freed Message-ID: <1142808415.178921216998713654.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.8_GA_2462.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF2.0 (Win)/5.0.8_GA_2462.RHEL4_64) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org > Sure, and while we're at it why not put in SMTP submit, and ACAP, and > maybe LDAP? > > IMAP is already too complex and performs at least one function too > many (mailbox lists handling). If anything we should be looking for ways to > simplify it, not ways to cram more stuff into it, especially stuff that's > largely unrelated to its core mission of providing mail access. OK, OK, point taken. My objection was wrong-headed, and I retract it. If the group doesn't object to ManageSIEVE's inclusion in the profile based on the additional complexity added to an already-complex set of requirements, I'm fine with it. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 01:05:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D013A69FB; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042893A69F9 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.123 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.123 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tcf0PIdfICh1 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net (dsl-217-155-137-60.zen.co.uk [217.155.137.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0452A3A69E2 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net ([217.155.137.61]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (submission) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:30:57 +0100 References: <480436090.137141216933705734.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> In-Reply-To: <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7078.1216981856.505195@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:30:56 +0100 From: Dave Cridland To: Ned Freed , Dan Karp Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri Jul 25 01:52:35 2008, Ned Freed wrote: > Sure, and while we're at it why not put in SMTP submit, and ACAP, > and > maybe LDAP? Oh, we tried putting ACAP into IMAP, we just called it METADATA. Nobody objected to that, did they? Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 11:49:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066C63A6AD0; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584D13A6AC4 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XwTbZdQhbzmO for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FE83A68E7 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.203] (andrew.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.203]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:49:18 +0100 Message-ID: <488B71AA.1050501@isode.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:49:14 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Timo Sirainen References: <20080626173001.81A2A3A6A40@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-06.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Timo Sirainen wrote: >> <> UNSEEN?>> > > My suggestion would be MessageNew-like parameters, maybe: This seems sensible and at least one of my co-editor doesn't object to this. With my server implementor hat on I would like to slightly change the meaning: > - FlagChange : Track all changes, don't return UNSEEN I would say: track all changes, MAY return UNSEEN > - FlagChange (\Seen \*) : Track all changes, return UNSEEN "track all changes, MUST return UNSEEN" > - FlagChange (\Seen) : Track only \Seen changes, return UNSEEN "track \Seen changes, but MAY return all changes (so that it is easier for servers to implement) > This would also allow in future: > > - FlagChange ($keyword1 $keyword2) Right. > 2) Perhaps the ABNF should be changed so that filter-mailboxes- > selected can only contain message-events? We could do this, I suppose. It might be easier to have this restriction in prose. > And related to that: Is the NONE events useful elsewhere than for > SELECTED/SELECTED-DELAYED? Yes, just to make sure that the server doesn't send any non message related events by default. > I don't think so? > So maybe the ABNF could be like: > event-group = event-group-selected / event-group-other > > event-group-selected = "(" filter-mailboxes-selected SP > message-events ")" > > message-events = ( "(" message-event *(SP message-event) ")" ) / "NONE" > > events = ( "(" event *(SP event) ")" ) > ;; NONE dropped _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:40:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437EC3A6906; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D640C3A6886 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Qc0mCjZBEj2 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D463A6906 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.200] (xdsl-177-118.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.177.118]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE9916471EE; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:39:44 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <0D1C85E3-16AF-4049-ABD3-6F073F07E2A6@iki.fi> From: Timo Sirainen To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <488B71AA.1050501@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:39:43 +0300 References: <20080626173001.81A2A3A6A40@core3.amsl.com> <488B71AA.1050501@isode.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-06.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0745117279==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0745117279== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-6-423298621" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-6-423298621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 26, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > With my server implementor hat on I would like to slightly change > the meaning: > >> - FlagChange : Track all changes, don't return UNSEEN > > I would say: track all changes, MAY return UNSEEN > >> - FlagChange (\Seen \*) : Track all changes, return UNSEEN > > "track all changes, MUST return UNSEEN" > >> - FlagChange (\Seen) : Track only \Seen changes, return UNSEEN > > "track \Seen changes, but MAY return all changes (so that it is > easier for servers to implement) Why is it easier to implement? Anyway I don't mind these changes. --Apple-Mail-6-423298621 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkiLfX8ACgkQyUhSUUBVismS3wCcD9KeJ65Tk+90Lt5IgzptMzmK q0UAnjPuRmYftbCjUbN5MNjzJhIpCmb3 =+7fs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-6-423298621-- --===============0745117279== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade --===============0745117279==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:58:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E013A6881; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFD63A6881 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CwDM70wIC3gV for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28C53A67F9 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.203] (andrew.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.203]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:58:24 +0100 Message-ID: <488B8036.6030909@isode.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:51:18 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Timo Sirainen , Cyrus Daboo References: <486FB846.9090408@isode.com> <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: <30E3F9CB-FE4D-4D5B-ABF2-32364F7FB025@iki.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Lemonade WG Subject: Re: [lemonade] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melnikov-imapext-filters-05.txt] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Timo Sirainen wrote: > On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> As per discussion in Philadelphia, draft-melnikov-imapext-filters is >> now a Lemonade WG draft. >> I would like to request WGLC for the document really soon now, so >> any comments/reviews would be greatly appreciated. > > 1) SETFILTER: > >> If the filter parameter is not specified, the filter description is >> set to the empty string. > > What "filter parameter"? "filter description parameter"? Yes. I've updated my copy. > 2) I'm not sure if I like having both /filters/ and /filter- > descriptions/ reserved. Seems like there'd be less pollution if it > instead was either: > > a) /filters/values/ and /filters/descriptions/ > > b) /filters/ and /filters//description I am not too sure about this. Any opinion, Cyrus? _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 23:35:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D14B3A6857; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BC63A6857 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.123 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.123 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t-eQAsWsBKM5 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net (dsl-217-155-137-60.zen.co.uk [217.155.137.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C2D3A6844 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net ([217.155.137.61]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (submission) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:41:32 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: PIPELINING References: <480436090.137141216933705734.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> <1YRGls0RHq1VpAtqr1hS/Q.md5@lochnagar.oryx.com> <01MXKC8H3LLK00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> In-Reply-To: <01MXKC8H3LLK00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7078.1217000491.159800@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:41:31 +0100 From: Dave Cridland To: Ned Freed X-Encoded: Changed encoding from 8Bit for 7bit transmission Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri Jul 25 15:27:29 2008, Ned Freed wrote: >> So I think profile-bis ought to say something like =ABA lemonade = >> client >> can locate its Submission, IMAP and Managesieve servers by taking = >> the >> domain of the user's email address, prefixing it with >> _submission._tcp., _imap._tcp. and _managesieve._tcp., and doing = >> SRV >> DNS lookups for the resulting labels. Lemonade server operators = >> should >> set up suitable SRV records.=BB > = > Well, I don't tnink this properly belongs in a profile = > specification, but > I'm definitely in favor of specifying it somewhere. in the specific > case of managesieve, where we're talking about an entirely new = > protocol, > I'd reallly like to see this done in the base specification. This > should probably be discussed on the Sieve WG list though. SRV records are good, but they require an anchoring domain name for = use, and only provide hostnames - clients need more than just that. ACAP is good, too - it supplies considerably more than hostnames and = ports, it can supply protocol information, email addresses, real = names, signatures, and more - but the user needs to know where to = find their ACAP server - and perhaps even more importantly, somebody = other than me needs to write clients and servers. XMPP, on the other hand, could provide the above data (XEP-0049 could = be used now, XEP-0223 is rather smarter, and coming fast) and already = uses SRV to locate the server from the user identifier, dropping the = number of data the user needs to remember substantially. Both XEP-0049 and XEP-0223 essentially allow storage and retreival of = multiple, arbitrary, mini XML documents on a server, so all we'd = really need to do would be define an XML formatting of Randy Gellen's = email and personality dataset classes from ACAP - surprisingly easy, = really. XEP-0049 is deployed pretty heavily now, XEP-0223 is coming = fast (and may even be on an XMPP server near you - the keyword you're = looking for is PEP). But not a job for today, the profile, or this working group, I think = - we can make this orthogonal, and given the uptake of XMPP services = on mobile phones and email clients as a whole, it might even work out = this time. Dave. -- = Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 04:53:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85A83A68B9; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CBC3A68C9 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5snNp2Hl8jX for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp05.bis.na.blackberry.com (smtp05.bis.na.blackberry.com [216.9.248.52]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658D83A68B9 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bda379.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (bda379.bisx.prod.on.blackberry [172.20.234.79]) by srs.bis.na.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6RBs2dC012541 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:54:02 GMT Received: from bda379.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bda379.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6RBs2tm028609 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:54:02 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 941478232 Message-ID: <941478232-1217159641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570570683-@bxe014.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal References: <480436090.137141216933705734.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com><1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com><01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com><1YRGls0RHq1VpAtqr1hS/Q.md5@lochnagar.oryx.com><01MXKC8H3LLK00007A@mauve.mrochek.com><7078.1217000491.159800@peirce.dave.cridland.net> In-Reply-To: <7078.1217000491.159800@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: lemonade@ietf.org From: eburger@standardstrack.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:53:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: eburger@standardstrack.com List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org I second Dave's sentiment: = "But not a job for today, the profile, or this working group." OMA is doing their own thing. We are not chartered for this. Let's finish a= nd perhaps one can charter a Mail Client Configuration BOF. = Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Dave Cridland Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:41:31 = To: Ned Freed Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments<= lemonade@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] On Fri Jul 25 15:27:29 2008, Ned Freed wrote: >> So I think profile-bis ought to say something like =ABA lemonade = >> client >> can locate its Submission, IMAP and Managesieve servers by taking = >> the >> domain of the user's email address, prefixing it with >>_submission._tcp.,_imap._tcp. and_managesieve._tcp., and doing = >> SRV >> DNS lookups for the resulting labels. Lemonade server operators = >> should >> set up suitable SRV records.=BB > = > Well, I don't tnink this properly belongs in a profile = > specification, but > I'm definitely in favor of specifying it somewhere. in the specific > case of managesieve, where we're talking about an entirely new = > protocol, > I'd reallly like to see this done in the base specification. This > should probably be discussed on the Sieve WG list though. SRV records are good, but they require an anchoring domain name for = use, and only provide hostnames - clients need more than just that. ACAP is good, too - it supplies considerably more than hostnames and = ports, it can supply protocol information, email addresses, real = names, signatures, and more - but the user needs to know where to = find their ACAP server - and perhaps even more importantly, somebody = other than me needs to write clients and servers. XMPP, on the other hand, could provide the above data (XEP-0049 could = be used now, XEP-0223 is rather smarter, and coming fast) and already = uses SRV to locate the server from the user identifier, dropping the = number of data the user needs to remember substantially. Both XEP-0049 and XEP-0223 essentially allow storage and retreival of = multiple, arbitrary, mini XML documents on a server, so all we'd = really need to do would be define an XML formatting of Randy Gellen's = email and personality dataset classes from ACAP - surprisingly easy, = really. XEP-0049 is deployed pretty heavily now, XEP-0223 is coming = fast (and may even be on an XMPP server near you - the keyword you're = looking for is PEP). But not a job for today, the profile, or this working group, I think = - we can make this orthogonal, and given the uptake of XMPP services = on mobile phones and email clients as a whole, it might even work out = this time. Dave. -- = Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:11:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92ED28C0F4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752C728C101; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sg0wDdcjUk3; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55C83A6A1D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.203] (andrew.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.203]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:11:39 +0100 Message-ID: <488D9B49.5060505@isode.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:11:21 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: IMAP Extensions WG , Lemonade WG , morg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lemonade] Friends of IMAP dinner in Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org There is a suggestion to hold now traditional "friends of IMAP" dinner this Wednesday. I would ask interested parties to reply to me directly. Let's meet at 8pm near the IETF Message Board. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 01:16:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1B328C0FB; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF033A68E5 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1VT79M+AlAyP for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org The mini BOF mentioned at yesterday's applications area meeting on mail standard maintenance will be held today at 1pm in the Gallan Suite: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72/venue/?room=gallan-suite Tony Hansen tony@att.com _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:49:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5853A6843; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:49:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBA53A6843 for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org We still need one more Minute Taker and a Jabber Scribe... On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Eric Burger wrote: > Please volunteer now and be forever loved, honored, and cherished. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:52:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275FC28C311; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F83A6B7F; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lwol5NoJbmIr; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F5128C30F; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.203] (andrew.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.203]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: <48908047.4020605@isode.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:52:55 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: IMAP Extensions WG , Lemonade WG , morg@ietf.org References: <488D9B49.5060505@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <488D9B49.5060505@isode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Friends of IMAP dinner in Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Alexey Melnikov wrote: > There is a suggestion to hold now traditional "friends of IMAP" dinner > this Wednesday. I would ask interested parties to reply to me directly. > Let's meet at 8pm near the IETF Message Board. Ok, we are actually will be catching a bus to central Dublin at 7:30pm, so let's meet at 7:15pm. Please don't be late! _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 08:37:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E92E3A6903; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72313A6903 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FRwVSX3WuwzJ for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DD43A6820 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6UFbHNh019398; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:37:23 -0500 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:37:00 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:51 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:51 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069D0@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: <8A5B9470-2EB5-41B5-BE11-1473901AF4DF@standardstrack.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Call for Scribes and Jabber Scribe Thread-Index: AcjyIUo8YWo4TVG2QjykUt79OvdgHgAOLVAA References: <67C66D6D-3CB1-492E-A88E-B563AB980948@standardstrack.com> <8A5B9470-2EB5-41B5-BE11-1473901AF4DF@standardstrack.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 15:36:51.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[16602FC0:01C8F25A] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [lemonade] Call for Scribes and Jabber Scribe X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Eric, how do you mean "one more"? How many do you have? = Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of ext Eric Burger Sent: 30 July, 2008 11:50 To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Call for Scribes and Jabber Scribe We still need one more Minute Taker and a Jabber Scribe... On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Eric Burger wrote: > Please volunteer now and be forever loved, honored, and cherished. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 00:57:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1712628C25D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:57:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFD528C220; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8JUBXyq3wzk; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BDC28C20A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6V7uwHq020945; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:57:19 -0500 Received: from vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.24]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:57:12 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:57:01 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:56:59 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF099467406B76@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: <48908047.4020605@isode.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MORG] Friends of IMAP dinner in Dublin Thread-Index: AcjyU/0YOAEYpz+hRBmJp91YzFTlJQAjurgw References: <488D9B49.5060505@isode.com> <48908047.4020605@isode.com> From: To: , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 07:57:01.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[03D0C250:01C8F2E3] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [lemonade] [MORG] Friends of IMAP dinner in Dublin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I have uploaded the pictures I took here: http://www.driveway.com/e7n0c4v3s0 Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: morg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:morg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext= Alexey Melnikov Sent: 30 July, 2008 17:53 To: IMAP Extensions WG; Lemonade WG; morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] Friends of IMAP dinner in Dublin Alexey Melnikov wrote: > There is a suggestion to hold now traditional "friends of IMAP" dinner = > this Wednesday. I would ask interested parties to reply to me directly. > Let's meet at 8pm near the IETF Message Board. Ok, we are actually will be catching a bus to central Dublin at 7:30pm, so = let's meet at 7:15pm. Please don't be late! _______________________________________________ MORG mailing list MORG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/morg Note Well: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:39:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8555E3A6D1D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF773A6D1D for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.337 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.337 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.262, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5Jh5JZzgnOn for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E35E3A6D16 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=randy@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217525985; x=1249061985; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer: x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject:content-type: x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |In-Reply-To:=20|References:=0D=0A=20<509620774.44851216657704548.J avaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com>=0D=0A=20<4884C7B5.305050 5@isode.com>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20|X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for=20Mac=20OS =20X|X-message-flag:=20Warning:=20Outlook=20in=20use.=20 =20Upgrade=20to=20Eudora:=20|Date: =20Thu,=2031=20Jul=202008=2010:38:24=20-0700|To:=20Arnt =20Gulbrandsen=20,=20lemonade@ietf.org |From:=20Randall=20Gellens=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[lemonade]=20On=20WGLC:=20profile-bis =20[was=20Re:=20Proposed=20Agenda=0D=0A=20for=20=09Dublin ]|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"=20 =3B=20format=3D"flowed"|X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28 |X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5350"=3B=20 a=3D"5213738"; bh=e5r3dHw82PGluTg7JTwfA+NW0RL+SIzWCFdrq8OqgQA=; b=kdArTikYUXDtfk24V4i90/uNIqOkjjXpmLwPoFcWYn1cp/M6TlcwO5AV cMbMVmIi7fo7455o9zXL2qay18R+T2qPV+ZMWCzvzw9wdowL/BETpsLO+ gk8eMVeFjQW8NofPYGZDOttLuXK+FPus3mqDt7Z27zMmqWq9H1XBKKEaW I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5350"; a="5213738" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO ithilien.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Jul 2008 10:39:45 -0700 Received: from msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (msgtransport05.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6VHdiAa022913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:45 -0700 Received: from [130.129.20.99] (vpn-10-50-0-52.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.52]) by msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6VHdf57015659; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:24 -0700 To: Arnt Gulbrandsen , lemonade@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 9:45 PM +0200 7/23/08, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > 2. I'm vaguely unhappy about the setactive command. Not quite > unhappy enough to have mentioned it before, but since you ask: it > seems a little ot of touch with putscript. One user can upload many > sieve scripts, but can setactive only one. There's no way to use > one sieve script for one alias (or role account) and another for > another. Or for multiple clients to each upload their own small script. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Lou: "Hey, Abbot, I hear that if you play the NT 4.0 CD backward, you get a satanic message." Bud: "That's nothing. If you play it forward, it installs NT 4.0." _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:40:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF0F3A6D19; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D053A6D17 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.104, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6m+X24BIqnSn for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05AC3A6D19 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=randy@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217525992; x=1249061992; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer: x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject:cc:content-type: x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |In-Reply-To:=20|References:=0D=0A=20<509620774.448512166 57704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com>=0D=0A=20<4884C 7B5.3050505@isode.com>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20|X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for =20Mac=20OS=20X|X-message-flag:=20Warning:=20Outlook=20in =20use.=20=20Upgrade=20to=20Eudora:=20|Date:=20Thu,=2031=20Jul=202008=2010:39:42=20-0700 |To:=20Eric=20Burger=20,=20Ar nt=20Gulbrandsen=20|From:=20Randall=20Gell ens=20|Subject:=20Re:=20[lemonade]=20 On=20WGLC:=20profile-bis=20[was=20Re:=20Proposed=20Agenda =0D=0A=20for=20Dublin]|Cc:=20lemonade@ietf.org |Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"=20 =3B=20format=3D"flowed"|X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28 |X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5350"=3B=20 a=3D"5213744"; bh=cLe599YKrOgvxelB5ZGpYvk4cAcM619eDkdbhr81KL8=; b=oyK4jkAOY3OkzWpoi8darAgpcHxJkcwGJxQLLQMoBdWM8bhRLIZtJFP/ 9DKD+WZDW7XOcb3BGLjzVLAOvSXQh9uF9jvMb54wr6KjNRwNBi5J6TYyh pQSKhKjeJJlOyVfcrnTMQ8Vm0DFO1NuqpJuSEQr1YQCfqkx/xs4JqatyO Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5350"; a="5213744" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO ithilien.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Jul 2008 10:39:52 -0700 Received: from msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (msgtransport05.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6VHdpsP022931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:52 -0700 Received: from [130.129.20.99] (vpn-10-50-0-52.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.52]) by msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6VHdf59015659; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <509620774.44851216657704548.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <4884C7B5.3050505@isode.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:42 -0700 To: Eric Burger , Arnt Gulbrandsen From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 1:21 PM -0400 7/23/08, Eric Burger wrote: > We always knew lemonade would use SIEVE. We always knew we would > have to manage SIEVE somehow. We just forgot to say so. I'd feel better if we punted on ManageSieve for now. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- The highlight of the annual Computer Bowl occurred when Bill Gates, who was a judge, posed the following question to the contestants: "What contest, held via Usenet, is dedicated to examples of weird, obscure, bizarre, and really bad programming?" After a moment of silence, Jean-Louis Gassee (ex-honcho at Apple) hit his buzzer and answered "Windows." --Recounted by Adam C. 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Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:44:28 -0700 To: Dan Karp , Eric Burger From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 2:12 PM -0700 7/24/08, Dan Karp wrote: > is there no way to find a middle ground that > merges these IMAP-like SIEVE functions into the IMAP server? Writing > Yet Another Slightly-Different Server is a pain in the kiester that I'd > prefer to avoid if at all possible. Adding still more related-but-different functions to IMAP is also a pain. We could perhaps use Annotate for this. Or ACAP. I have a (long-since expired) draft on how to manage Sieve with ACAP. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Genetics explains why you look like your father, and if you don't, why you should. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:06:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D413A6B03; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB4B28C216 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.917, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZGzKUiT93Yee for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2653A68DD for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=randy@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217527605; x=1249063605; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer: x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject:cc:content-type: x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |In-Reply-To:=20<7078.1216981856.505195@peirce.dave.cridl and.net>|References:=0D=0A=20<480436090.13714121693370573 4.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com>=0D=0A=20<1838981617.1 37721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com>=0D=0A =20<01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com>=0D=0A=20<7078.1 216981856.505195@peirce.dave.cridland.net>|X-Mailer:=20Eu dora=20for=20Mac=20OS=20X|X-message-flag:=20Warning:=20Ou tlook=20in=20use.=20=20Upgrade=20to=20Eudora:=20|Date:=20Thu,=2031=20Jul=202008=2011:05:20 =20-0700|To:=20Dave=20Cridland=20,=20N ed=20Freed=20,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20Dan=20Karp=20|From:=20Randa ll=20Gellens=20|Subject:=20Re:=20[lem onade]=20On=20WGLC:=20profile-bis=20[was=20Re:=20Proposed =20Agenda=0D=0A=20for=20=20Dublin]|Cc:=20Enhancements=20t o=20Internet=20email=20to=20support=20diverse=20service =20enivronments=09|Content-Type:=20tex t/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D"flowe d"|X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee =3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5350"=3B=20a=3D"5045509"; bh=yDxI1iZRmv/oxypHIy4lUSl9VkldeejXrZ9Hm+LJWew=; b=J3k/cBaY6YXda04oT9Iv8khX6SC8a4klaCZWRTkeW2z/hyRSejSn8NYI tc1YjoI9WzgpDaoZ8BC7aWhnsAVtNZ9bF1y3rB6FaJFiqeJW2P3SdzM2U lq2TSn2eb1gU8yhBaq09ydIY8R/oN/os5uejYmHqtOgjF9N2Szxp/C2W/ 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5350"; a="5045509" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Jul 2008 11:06:45 -0700 Received: from msgtransport04.qualcomm.com (msgtransport04.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.156]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6VI6ikh018583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:45 -0700 Received: from [130.129.20.99] (vpn-10-50-0-52.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.52]) by msgtransport04.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6VI6XOk017994; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7078.1216981856.505195@peirce.dave.cridland.net> References: <480436090.137141216933705734.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1838981617.137721216933976809.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <01MXJKE040TO00007A@mauve.mrochek.com> <7078.1216981856.505195@peirce.dave.cridland.net> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:05:20 -0700 To: Dave Cridland , Ned Freed , Dan Karp From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Subject: Re: [lemonade] On WGLC: profile-bis [was Re: Proposed Agenda for Dublin] X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 11:30 AM +0100 7/25/08, Dave Cridland wrote: > Oh, we tried putting ACAP into IMAP, we just called it METADATA. Years ago we tried putting the mailbox state part of IMAP into ACAP. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. --Mark Twain _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade