Subject: Re: [lmap] FW: New Version Notification for draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-00.txt

From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:26:23 +0000

Hi Charles,

As lingli said, this draft is intended to bring up the LMAP collaboration use cases we meet for discussion. We do have the requirements to solve this kind of problems and apparently current LMAP is not enough. The proposal listed in our draft is not mature enough yet. We want some feedback from the WG that this direction is right or not. Actually different proposals do exit, e.g., different controller can communicate with each other to get authorized measurement plans and tasks. But in our opinion, "another layer of management" looks like the simplest way. What do you think?

BR,
Rachel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lmap [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of 邓灵莉/Lingli Deng
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:44 PM
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lmap] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-00.txt
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
> Thanks for your review.
> More inline.
> 
> Lingli
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Cook [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:57 AM
> > To: 邓灵莉/Lingli Deng; [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [lmap] FW: New Version Notification for
> > draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-00.txt
> >
> > Lingli,
> >
> > Some thoughts for consideration...
> >
> > I understand the use cases, but I don't know that the proposed
> > implementation in its current state provides benefit.  Conceptually,
> [邓灵莉/Lingli Deng] Thanks. The focus of the current draft is actually on the
> use-cases side, and the proposed architecture included as it is now only serves
> as a basis for more discussion.
> 
> > the proposed implementation looks like a super Controller (the
> > Initiator) controlling multiple LMAP Controllers and a super Collector
> > (the Reporter) controlling and aggregating multiple LMAP Collectors.
> > It's like we are adding another layer of management.
> [邓灵莉/Lingli Deng] Indeed, as for the current proposal, which is on the
> discussion table, is a very intuitive one. The "another layer of management" is
> added on purpose to keep function/requirements to a LMAP MA to a minimum
> wherever possible.
> >
> > It may help to provide a better distinction between messages between
> > Initiators and Controller and the words measurement tasks or sub-tasks.
> > It was confusing to me because when the term Measurement Sub-task was
> > used, I thought of a sub-task of an LMAP Measurement Task and LMAP
> > does not have the concept of sub-tasks.  So there may need to be a
> > change in some of the terminology to minimize confusion.
> [邓灵莉/Lingli Deng] Sorry for the confusion. By sub-task, we meant an LMAP
> Measurement Task (which is specific to a LMAP MA from a LMAP Controller).
> Shall try to keep aligned with LMAP terminology in the next revision shortly.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/2014 2:18 AM, 邓灵莉/Lingli Deng wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We submitted a new use-case draft for collaborative measurements,
> > > and look
> > forward to your review and comments.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lingli
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:21 AM
> > >> To: Rachel Huang; Deng Lingli; Shihui Duan; Shihui Duan; Lingli
> > >> Deng; Rachel Huang
> > >> Subject: New Version Notification for
> > >> draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-00.txt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> A new version of I-D, draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-00.txt
> > >> has been successfully submitted by Lingli Deng and posted to the
> > >> IETF repository.
> > >>
> > >> Name:		draft-deng-lmap-collaboration
> > >> Revision:	00
> > >> Title:		Use-cases for Collaborative LMAP
> > >> Document date:	2014-05-29
> > >> Group:		Individual Submission
> > >> Pages:		11
> > >> URL:
> > >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-0
> > >> 0.txt
> > >> Status:
> > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deng-lmap-collaboration/
> > >> Htmlized:
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-00
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Abstract:
> > >>    This document discusses the motivation and use-cases for
> > >>    collaborative LMAP practices, where multiple autonomous
> > measurement
> > >>    systems collaborate together to help with UoE enhancement by ICPs,
> > >>    network performance monitory to guide ISP/Regulator coordination
> > >>    between autonomous network domains and/or regulatory policies and
> > >>    cross-boundary troubleshooting for complaints from end consumers.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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