From nobody Thu Apr 30 12:38:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: loops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: loops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2E33A1212 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJupDkS8qc9O for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1F953A11C2 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.119] (p548DCD70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.205.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49ClyL02V8zydX; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:37:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 609968233.544153-81c8bbf7fc87ba97ece18043adb4ac33 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:37:13 +0200 Message-Id: <04EBF640-8E6C-41EB-A704-ECCE6FC0BA48@tzi.org> To: loops@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: [LOOPS] LOOPS meetings in May 2020, replacing IETF 107 side meetings X-BeenThere: loops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Local Optimizations on Path Segments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:37:27 -0000 We plan to have two LOOPS-related online side meetings during May: * May 07, "design team meeting" * May 26, "LOOPS side meeting" The objectives of the "design team meeting" are=20 (1) to look at the design space and make a few decisions that reduce the = design space to a more manageable size (or at least focus us on parts of = that space for now). These decisions of course could be unraveled by a = later WG, but it probably helps the effort to have something more = specific to work on. The document most impacted is likely to be = "gen-info" [1]. I don't think we will discuss encapsulation a lot in = this meeting, except maybe for consequences of the design decisions. (2) to look at about a dozen other WGs and RGs and agree what our = technical relationship with them is going to be, e.g. "watch" (shared = interests, but no specific exchange or mutual dependency envisioned now; = could develop, though), "import" (specs that the other WG works on will = be used by ours), and "export" (we could do some work that would benefit = that other WG). This will then be useful as input for a charter = discussion. The objectives of the "LOOPS side meeting" are to (3) look at the results of the "design team meeting" and validate that = this is the way to go; with any technical discussion that follows from = that; (4) work on the charter proposal to make it more useful for chartering = or as input to a second (this time WG-forming) BOF at IETF108. Specific agenda and input documents will follow. The timing of global online meetings is difficult. We are spanning = participants from the US (including California PDT), Europe (e.g., = CEST), and Asia (e.g., China time). There is no good timing, only less = bad. For the May meetings, we are going for this timing: 08:00=E2=80=9310:00 -0700 PDT 11:00=E2=80=9313:00 -0400 EDT 15:00-17:00 +0000 Z (world time, a.k.a. UTC) 17:00=E2=80=9319:00 +0200 CEST 23:00=E2=80=9301:00 +0800 (next day) China time, sorry about that (Dates for other locations below in [2], [3].) We might roll this timing around for later months, but the continents = are not entirely rotationally symmetrical. On May 7th, we are conflicting with an IESG meeting in the first hour; = we will structure this meeting in such a way that it will be productive = to join only for the second hour. Both meetings are public; the word "design team" is not meant to exclude = anyone. Details to join the meeting (probably Webex) will be provided closer to = the dates. It seems we might not have the means to make recordings, which might be = a bug or a feature; we do need good minute takers anyway. If there is any unforeseen difficulty with the timing, please do speak = up now. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [1]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-welzl-loops-gen-info [2]: = https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?p1=3D1440&iso=3D2020= 0507T15&msg=3DLOOPS%20design%20team%20meeting&ah=3D2&sort=3D2 [3]: = https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?p1=3D1440&iso=3D2020= 0526T15&msg=3DLOOPS%20side%20meeting&ah=3D2&sort=3D2=