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Ip=[135.245.241.12]; Helo=[fr711usmtp1-o.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM3PR07MB1060 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:05:50 -0000 Hi,
In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology,
if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct?
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities?
Thx,
Dirk
 

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Thx, Dirk Outlook voor Android downloaden ________________________________ From: Peter Psenak Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:21:13 PM To: Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp); lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP Hi Dirk, On 01/03/18 17:05 , Dirk Goethals wrote: > Hi, > In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology > by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. > In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor > interface ID is known. > So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, > if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. > Is that correct? > As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do > we have other possibilities? well, one can manually configure the local/remote interface IDs to match on both sides and advertise as such. thanks, Peter > Thx, > Dirk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --_000_VI1PR07MB3293DC16C736EA7964C08AD5E2C60VI1PR07MB3293eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter,
Indeed.
Thx,
Dirk

From: Peter Psenak <pp= senak@cisco.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:21:13 PM
To: Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp); lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP
 
Hi Dirk,


On 01/03/18 17:05 , Dirk Goethals wrote:
> Hi,
> In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
> by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
> In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor > interface ID is known.
> So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology,
> if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
> Is that correct?
> As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
> we have other possibilities?

well, one can manually configure the local/remote interface IDs to match on both sides and advertise as such.

thanks,
Peter
> Thx,
> Dirk
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lsr mailing list
> Lsr@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf= .org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
>

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[217.66.154.110]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l25sm921432ljb.78.2018.03.01.08.40.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 08:40:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 19:40:17 +0300 From: Alexander Okonnikov To: Dirk Goethals , "=?utf-8?Q?lsr=40ietf.org?=" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Message-ID: <26b261b4-00b1-4e01-ab4c-ede98883b155@Spark> In-Reply-To: <2D3557F2-53EA-4C4B-9B00-474C5FF4EBAF@cisco.com> References: <292c4d7f-157b-6920-917a-5157fb2890aa@nokia.com> <2D3557F2-53EA-4C4B-9B00-474C5FF4EBAF@cisco.com> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 26b261b4-00b1-4e01-ab4c-ede98883b155@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5a982d06_3352255a_3daa" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:40:45 -0000 --5a982d06_3352255a_3daa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent unidirecti= onal links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in two directio= ns are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each other), and am= ount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary the same. I could assume = that some router uses Interface IDs for two-way check, but it is not so s= traightforward when we have deal with =46As. Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of =46A= , but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from =46A=3F Thank you. Best regards, Alexander Okonnikov 1 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2018 =D0=B3., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (= acee) , =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: > Hi Dirk, > > My memory has faded somewhat on =46orwarding Adjacency (=46A) implement= ation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are unidirectional, doesn=E2=80=99t= the SP=46 two-way check have to be disabled anyway=3F If so, the Remote = Interface ID doesn=E2=80=99t matter. > > Thanks, > Acee > > =46rom: Lsr on behalf of =22Goethals, Dirk (No= kia - BE/Antwerp)=22 > Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM > To: =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 > Subject: =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP > > Hi, > In OSP=46v2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology > by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. > In OSP=46v3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor > interface ID is known. > So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSP=46v3 topology, > if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. > Is that correct=3F > As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do > we have other possibilities=3F > Thx, > Dirk > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Lsr mailing list > Lsr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --5a982d06_3352255a_3daa Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi,

I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent unidirecti= onal links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in two directio= ns are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each other), and am= ount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary the same. I could assume = that some router uses Interface IDs for two-way check, but it is not so s= traightforward when we have deal with =46As.

Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of =46A= , but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from =46A=3F
Thank you.

Best regards,
Alexander Okonnikov

1 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2018 =D0=B3., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (= acee) <acee=40cisco.com>, =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:

Hi Dirk,

&=23160;

My memory has faded somewhat on =46orwarding A= djacency (=46A) implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are unidir= ectional, doesn=E2=80=99t the SP=46 two-way check have to be disabled any= way=3F If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn=E2=80=99t matter.

&=23160;

Thanks,
Acee

&=23160;

=46rom: Lsr <lsr-bounces=40ietf.org> on behal= f of =22Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=22 <dirk.goethals=40nokia.= com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 <lsr=40ietf.org>
Subject: =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP

&=23160;

Hi,
In OSP=46v2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSP=46v3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSP=46v3 topology,
= if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct=3F
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities=3F
Thx,
Dirk
&=23160;


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If so, the > Remote Interface ID doesnt matter. no, you have to advertise FA from both sides so that TWC passes. thanks, Peter > > Thanks, > Acee > > *From: *Lsr on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - > BE/Antwerp)" > *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM > *To: *"lsr@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP > > Hi, > In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology > by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. > In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor > interface ID is known. > So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, > if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. > Is that correct? > As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do > we have other possibilities? > Thx, > Dirk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Thu Mar 1 08:55:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 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[217.195.72.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 26sm934020ljs.93.2018.03.01.09.08.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 09:08:22 -0800 (PST) To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Dirk Goethals , "lsr@ietf.org" References: <292c4d7f-157b-6920-917a-5157fb2890aa@nokia.com> <2D3557F2-53EA-4C4B-9B00-474C5FF4EBAF@cisco.com> <26b261b4-00b1-4e01-ab4c-ede98883b155@Spark> <8D23AE85-3408-457E-A1CC-4B78157A11BE@cisco.com> From: Alexander Okonnikov Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:08:22 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D23AE85-3408-457E-A1CC-4B78157A11BE@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BD2DA8DCA02B256241B00F96" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:08:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BD2DA8DCA02B256241B00F96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case. Thank you. 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет: > > Hi Alexander, > > *From: *Alexander Okonnikov > *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM > *To: *"Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , > "lsr@ietf.org" , Acee Lindem > *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP > > Hi, > > I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent > unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in > two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each > other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary the > same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for two-way > check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal with FAs. > > Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of > FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA? > > Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Alexander Okonnikov > > > 1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) , писал: > > Hi Dirk, > > My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) > implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are unidirectional, > doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled anyway? If so, > the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter. > > Thanks, > Acee > > *From:* Lsr on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk > (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" > *Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM > *To:* "lsr@ietf.org" > *Subject:* [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP > > Hi, > In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology > by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. > In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor > interface ID is known. > So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, > if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. > Is that correct? > As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do > we have other possibilities? > Thx, > Dirk > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --------------BD2DA8DCA02B256241B00F96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case.

Thank you.


01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет:

Hi Alexander,

 

From: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM
To: "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

 

Hi,

I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal with FAs.

Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA?

 

Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 


Thank you.

 

Best regards,

Alexander Okonnikov


1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, писал:

Hi Dirk,

 

My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter.

 

Thanks,
Acee

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

 

Hi,
In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology,
if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct?
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities?
Thx,
Dirk
 

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[217.195.72.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l13sm983197lfi.35.2018.03.01.09.54.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 09:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander Okonnikov To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Dirk Goethals , "lsr@ietf.org" References: <292c4d7f-157b-6920-917a-5157fb2890aa@nokia.com> <2D3557F2-53EA-4C4B-9B00-474C5FF4EBAF@cisco.com> <26b261b4-00b1-4e01-ab4c-ede98883b155@Spark> <8D23AE85-3408-457E-A1CC-4B78157A11BE@cisco.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:54:40 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D3E8F498365FCF668C63CBB4" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:54:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D3E8F498365FCF668C63CBB4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF algorithm from RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it correct? If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0 for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated by other routers while calculate SPF? Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), because LSP will be next-hop in this case. Thanks. 01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov пишет: > > Hi, > > Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and > IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions > and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was > possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA > (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on > remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would > be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can > somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. > We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case. > > Thank you. > > > 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет: >> >> Hi Alexander, >> >> *From: *Alexander Okonnikov >> *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM >> *To: *"Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >> , "lsr@ietf.org" , Acee Lindem >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >> >> Hi, >> >> I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent >> unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs >> in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to >> each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary >> the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for >> two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal >> with FAs. >> >> Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of >> FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA? >> >> Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Alexander Okonnikov >> >> >> 1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) , писал: >> >> Hi Dirk, >> >> My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) >> implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are >> unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled >> anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> *From:* Lsr on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk >> (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >> *Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM >> *To:* "lsr@ietf.org" >> *Subject:* [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >> >> Hi, >> In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology >> by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. >> In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor >> interface ID is known. >> So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, >> if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. >> Is that correct? >> As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do >> we have other possibilities? >> Thx, >> Dirk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >> > --------------D3E8F498365FCF668C63CBB4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF algorithm from RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it correct?

If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0 for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated by other routers while calculate SPF?

Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), because LSP will be next-hop in this case.

Thanks.


01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov пишет:

Hi,

Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case.

Thank you.


01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет:

Hi Alexander,

 

From: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM
To: "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

 

Hi,

I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal with FAs.

Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA?

 

Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 


Thank you.

 

Best regards,

Alexander Okonnikov


1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, писал:

Hi Dirk,

 

My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter.

 

Thanks,
Acee

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

 

Hi,
In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology,
if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct?
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities?
Thx,
Dirk
 

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boundary="_000_VI1PR07MB3293D02CFBA76D6FBCBBB645E2C60VI1PR07MB3293eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c7c1426a-6c11-40a4-3125-08d57fafe12c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Mar 2018 20:06:11.5216 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB1678 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:06:26 -0000 --_000_VI1PR07MB3293D02CFBA76D6FBCBBB645E2C60VI1PR07MB3293eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter, Thanks for your prompt suggestions. Alexander, I=92m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSPFV2. So, I=92m somewere on the same track as you, i.e. 1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=3D0, similar as unnumbered p2p= in OSPFv2 2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=3D0, pick up the local tunnelinfo= iso neigbors ip address. Thanks, Dirk _____________________________ From: Alexander Okonnikov Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP To: Acee Lindem (acee) , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp= ) , Hi, I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface ID = are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF algorithm from= RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to V, but it also say= s (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not necessarily matches to li= nk from V to W. I.e. presence of two unidirectional links is enough for two= -way check to be passed. Is it correct? If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0 for = P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated by other= routers while calculate SPF? Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link LSA= while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 link-loca= l address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), because LSP will = be next-hop in this case. Thanks. 01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov =EF=E8=F8=E5=F2: Hi, Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and IS-IS, b= ecause they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions and 2) cannot = distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was possible, then it would= not be needed to perform two-way check for FA (presence of FA just in forw= ard direction means that ingress "link" on remote neighbor is working; othe= rwise LSP in forward direction would be broken). It can be generalized to a= ll three protocols: if we can somehow identify link type as FA, we don't ne= ed two-way check for FA. We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in= OSPFv3 in this case. Thank you. 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) =EF=E8=F8=E5=F2: Hi Alexander, From:Alexander Okonnikov Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM To: "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP Hi, I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent unidirection= al links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in two directions a= re not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each other), and amount o= f LSPs in each direction is not necessary the same. I could assume that som= e router uses Interface IDs for two-way check, but it is not so straightfor= ward when we have deal with FAs. Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of FA, bu= t how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA? Good point =96 all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs. Thanks, Acee Thank you. Best regards, Alexander Okonnikov 1 =EC=E0=F0=F2=E0 2018 =E3., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) , =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB: Hi Dirk, My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) implementation. H= owever, since basic MPLS LSPs are unidirectional, doesn=92t the SPF two-way= check have to be disabled anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn=92t= matter. Thanks, Acee From:Lsr on behalf of "= Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM To: "lsr@ietf.org" Subject: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP Hi, In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor interface ID is known. So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. Is that correct? As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do we have other possibilities? Thx, Dirk _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --_000_VI1PR07MB3293D02CFBA76D6FBCBBB645E2C60VI1PR07MB3293eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter,
Thanks for your prompt suggestions.

Alexander,
I=92m also in favor of having something as s= imple as in OSPFV2. 
So, I=92m somewere on the same track as you,= i.e.
1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid= =3D0, similar as unnumbered p2p in OSPFv2
2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=3D= 0, pick up the local tunnelinfo iso neigbors
ip address.

Thanks,
Dirk

_____________________________
From: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/A= ntwerp) <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>, <lsr@ietf.org>


Hi,

I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface ID = are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF algorithm from= RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to V, but it also say= s (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of = two unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it co= rrect?

If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0 for = P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated by other= routers while calculate SPF?

Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link LSA= while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 link-loca= l address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), because LSP will = be next-hop in this case.

Thanks.


01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov =EF=E8= =F8=E5=F2:

Hi,

Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and IS-IS, b= ecause they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions and 2) cannot = distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was possible, then it would= not be needed to perform two-way check for FA (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress = "link" on remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward di= rection would be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if = we can somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID = for FA in OSPFv3 in this case.

Thank you.


01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) =EF=E8= =F8=E5=F2:

Hi Alexander,

 

From:Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM
To: "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, Acee Lindem<acee@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

 

Hi,

I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent unidirection= al links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs in two directions a= re not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to each other), and amount o= f LSPs in each direction is not necessary the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for= two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal with FAs= .

Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of FA, bu= t how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA?

 

Good point =96 all the transit routers need to agree= on the interface IDs.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 


Thank you.

 

Best regards,

Alexander Okonnikov


1 =EC=E0=F0=F2=E0 2018 =E3., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB:

Hi Dirk,

 

My memory has faded somew= hat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) implementation. However, since basic MPLS = LSPs are unidirectional, doesn=92t the SPF two-way check have to be disable= d anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn=92t matter.

 

Thanks,
Acee

 

From:Lsr <= ;lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE= /Antwerp)" = <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: = "lsr@ietf.org"<lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

 

Hi,
In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology,
if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct?
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities?
Thx,
Dirk
 

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--_000_VI1PR07MB3293D02CFBA76D6FBCBBB645E2C60VI1PR07MB3293eurp_-- From nobody Thu Mar 1 22:07:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1245127058 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMWJ-XERAQ5B for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DA32120454 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5440; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1519970872; x=1521180472; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Da/xDZM3dYJTp36NhjytxK/lcRskU5qGRuGs0pxYTJE=; b=mMCp4pNfFSq2d8GcTlGGbNWSCmJBFAGNWnMnClSE3QZzk64qRz4mgHT9 A2WeWx/a3f2B1jkZhKqX2FwiS/5sgBqfjUNrmmPdd3mqNN08gudtfxZZR A5R7I/mRW7CqGUnAztq0VmV7gQ3PvzYExhW8qNFliK4WtQ3hoQZvFPsQu E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.47,411,1515456000"; d="scan'208";a="2378432" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Mar 2018 06:07:50 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.51] (ams-ppsenak-nitro2.cisco.com [10.60.140.51]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w2267nuB032461; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 06:07:50 GMT Message-ID: <5A98EA35.1050704@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:07:49 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , Alexander Okonnikov , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "lsr@ietf.org" References: <292c4d7f-157b-6920-917a-5157fb2890aa@nokia.com> <2D3557F2-53EA-4C4B-9B00-474C5FF4EBAF@cisco.com> <26b261b4-00b1-4e01-ab4c-ede98883b155@Spark> <8D23AE85-3408-457E-A1CC-4B78157A11BE@cisco.com> , In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 06:07:55 -0000 Hi Dirk, you can set the Local/Remote ID for any FA tunnel to 0 and all would just work fine. There are implementations doing that :) thanks, Peter On 01/03/18 21:06 , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote: > Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter, > Thanks for your prompt suggestions. > > Alexander, > I’m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSPFV2. > So, I’m somewere on the same track as you, i.e. > 1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=0, similar as unnumbered > p2p in OSPFv2 > 2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=0, pick up the local > tunnelinfo iso neigbors > ip address. > > Thanks, > Dirk > > _____________________________ > From: Alexander Okonnikov > Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP > To: Acee Lindem (acee) , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - > BE/Antwerp) , > > > Hi, > > I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface > ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF > algorithm from RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to > V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not > necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two > unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it > correct? > > If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0 > for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated > by other routers while calculate SPF? > > Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link > LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 > link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), > because LSP will be next-hop in this case. > > Thanks. > > > 01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov пишет: >> >> Hi, >> >> Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and >> IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions >> and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was >> possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA >> (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on >> remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would >> be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can >> somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. >> We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case. >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет: >>> >>> Hi Alexander, >>> >>> *From:*Alexander Okonnikov >>> *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM >>> *To: *"Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >>> , "lsr@ietf.org" , Acee >>> Lindem >>> *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent >>> unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs >>> in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to >>> each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary >>> the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for >>> two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal >>> with FAs. >>> >>> Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of >>> FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA? >>> >>> Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Acee >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Alexander Okonnikov >>> >>> >>> 1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) , писал: >>> >>> Hi Dirk, >>> >>> My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) >>> implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are >>> unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled >>> anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> *From:*Lsr on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk >>> (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >>> *Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM >>> *To:* "lsr@ietf.org" >>> *Subject:* [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>> >>> Hi, >>> In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology >>> by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. >>> In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor >>> interface ID is known. >>> So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, >>> if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. >>> Is that correct? >>> As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do >>> we have other possibilities? >>> Thx, >>> Dirk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lsr mailing list >>> Lsr@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Thu Mar 1 22:27:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D534C127023 for ; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Peter, How then several interfaces could be distinguished=3F Thank you. Best regards, Alexander Okonnikov 2 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2018 =D0=B3., 9:07 +0300, Peter Psenak <= ppsenak=40cisco.com>, =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: > Hi Dirk, > > you can set the Local/Remote ID for any =46A tunnel to 0 and all would > just work fine. There are implementations doing that :) > > thanks, > Peter > > > On 01/03/18 21:06 , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote: > > Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter, > > Thanks for your prompt suggestions. > > > > Alexander, > > I=E2=80=99m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSP=46V= 2. > > So, I=E2=80=99m somewere on the same track as you, i.e. > > 1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=3D0, similar as unnumber= ed > > p2p in OSP=46v2 > > 2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=3D0, pick up the local > > tunnelinfo iso neigbors > > ip address. > > > > Thanks, > > Dirk > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > =46rom: Alexander Okonnikov > Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM > > Subject: Re: =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP > > To: Acee Lindem (acee) , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - > > BE/Antwerp) , > > > > > Hi, > > > > I cannot find in R=46C 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Inter= face > > ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. R=46C 5340 reuses SP=46 > > algorithm from R=46C 2328. R=46C 2328 says that W should have link ba= ck to > > V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not > > necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two > > unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it > > correct=3F > > > > If yes then, what if OSP=46v3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID t= o 0 > > for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same=3F How it will be trea= ted > > by other routers while calculate SP=46=3F > > > > Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Li= nk > > LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 > > link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), > > because LSP will be next-hop in this case. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > 01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:= > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Need for advertising of =46A by both sides is dictated by OSP=46v2 = and > > > IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two direction= s > > > and 2) cannot distinguish =46A from regular P2P link. If latter was= > > > possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for = =46A > > > (presence of =46A just in forward direction means that ingress =22l= ink=22 on > > > remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction woul= d > > > be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can= > > > somehow identify link type as =46A, we don't need two-way check for= =46A. > > > We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for =46A in OSP=46v3 in th= is case. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82= : > > > > > > > > Hi Alexander, > > > > > > > > *=46rom:*Alexander Okonnikov > > > *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM > > > > *To: *=22Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=22 > > > > , =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 , Acee > > > > Lindem > > > *Subject: *Re: =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent > > > > unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LS= Ps > > > > in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated= to > > > > each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessar= y > > > > the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for > > > > two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal= > > > > with =46As. > > > > > > > > Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner= of > > > > =46A, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from =46= A=3F > > > > > > > > Good point =E2=80=93 all the transit routers need to agree on the= interface IDs. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Acee > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Alexander Okonnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2018 =D0=B3., 19:37 +0300, Acee = Lindem (acee) , =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: > > > > > > > > Hi Dirk, > > > > > > > > My memory has faded somewhat on =46orwarding Adjacency (=46A) > > > > implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are > > > > unidirectional, doesn=E2=80=99t the SP=46 two-way check have to b= e disabled > > > > anyway=3F If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn=E2=80=99t matter. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Acee > > > > > > > > *=46rom:*Lsr on behalf of =22Goethals, D= irk > > > > (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=22 > > > *Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM > > > > *To:* =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 > > > *Subject:* =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > In OSP=46v2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology= > > > > by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. > > > > In OSP=46v3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neig= hbor > > > > interface ID is known. > > > > So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSP=46v3 topolog= y, > > > > if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. > > > > Is that correct=3F > > > > As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do > > > > we have other possibilities=3F > > > > Thx, > > > > Dirk > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= > > > > Lsr mailing list > > > > Lsr=40ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > Lsr mailing list > > Lsr=40ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > > --5a98eeb3_79e2a9e3_44c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Peter,

How then several interfaces could be distinguished=3F

Thank you.

Best regards,
Alexander Okonnikov

2 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2018 =D0=B3., 9:07 +0300, Peter Psenak &= lt;ppsenak=40cisco.com>, =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
Hi Dirk,

you can set the Local/Remote ID for any =46A tunnel to 0 and all would just work fine. There are implementations doing that :)

thanks,
Peter


On 01/03/18 21:06 , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote:
Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter,
Thanks for your prompt suggestions.

Alexander,
I=E2=80=99m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSP=46V2. So, I=E2=80=99m somewere on the same track as you, i.e.
1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=3D0, similar as unnumbered p2p in OSP=46v2
2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=3D0, pick up the local
tunnelinfo iso neigbors
ip address.

Thanks,
Dirk

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=46rom: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov=40gmail.com
Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=40cisco.com>, Goethals, Dirk (Nokia -<= br /> BE/Antwerp) <dirk.goethals=40nokia.com>, <lsr=40ietf.org


Hi,

I cannot find in R=46C 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface=
ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. R=46C 5340 reuses SP=46
= algorithm from R=46C 2328. R=46C 2328 says that W should have link back t= o
V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not
= necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two
unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it
correct=3F

If yes then, what if OSP=46v3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0<= br /> for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same=3F How it will be treated<= br /> by other routers while calculate SP=46=3F

Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6
link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA),
because LSP will be next-hop in this case.

Thanks.


01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:

Hi,

Need for advertising of =46A by both sides is dictated by OSP=46v2 and IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions
and 2) cannot distinguish =46A from regular P2P link. If latter was
= possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for =46A (presence of =46A just in forward direction means that ingress =22link=22= on
remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would
be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can
= somehow identify link type as =46A, we don't need two-way check for =46A.=
We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for =46A in OSP=46v3 in this cas= e.

Thank you.


01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:

Hi Alexander,

*=46rom:*Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov=40gmail.com
*Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM
*To: *=22Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=22
<dirk.goethals=40nokia.com>, =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 <lsr=40ietf.or= g>, Acee
Lindem<acee=40cisco.com
*Subject: *Re: =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP

Hi,

I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent
unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs
= in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to
each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary
the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for
two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal
with =46As.

Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of
=46A, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from =46A=3F

Good point =E2=80=93 all the transit routers need to agree on the interfa= ce IDs.

Thanks,

Acee


Thank you.

Best regards,

Alexander Okonnikov


1 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2018 =D0=B3., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (= acee) <acee=40cisco.com>, =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:

Hi Dirk,

My memory has faded somewhat on =46orwarding Adjacency (=46A)
implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are
unidirectional, doesn=E2=80=99t the SP=46 two-way check have to be disabl= ed
anyway=3F If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn=E2=80=99t matter.

Thanks,
Acee

*=46rom:*Lsr <lsr-bounces=40ietf.org> on behalf of =22Goethals, Dir= k
(Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=22 <dirk.goethals=40nokia.com
*Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM
*To:* =22lsr=40ietf.org=22<lsr=40ietf.org
*Subject:* =5BLsr=5D advertising tunnels in IGP

Hi,
In OSP=46v2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSP=46v3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSP=46v3 topology,
= if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct=3F
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities=3F
Thx,
Dirk


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Ip=[135.245.241.12]; Helo=[fr711usmtp1-o.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR07MB0988 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:25:47 -0000 Hi Alexander,
You don't need a nhop for tunnels, so why would you need
to distinguish the interfaces?
Dirk

Op 2/03/2018 om 7:26 schreef Alexander Okonnikov:
Hi Peter,

How then several interfaces could be distinguished?

Thank you.

Best regards,
Alexander Okonnikov

2 марта 2018 г., 9:07 +0300, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com>, писал:
Hi Dirk,

you can set the Local/Remote ID for any FA tunnel to 0 and all would
just work fine. There are implementations doing that :)

thanks,
Peter


On 01/03/18 21:06 , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote:
Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter,
Thanks for your prompt suggestions.

Alexander,
I’m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSPFV2.
So, I’m somewere on the same track as you, i.e.
1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=0, similar as unnumbered
p2p in OSPFv2
2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=0, pick up the local
tunnelinfo iso neigbors
ip address.

Thanks,
Dirk

_____________________________
From: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com
Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, Goethals, Dirk (Nokia -
BE/Antwerp) <dirk.goethals@nokia.com>, <lsr@ietf.org


Hi,

I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface
ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF
algorithm from RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to
V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not
necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two
unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it
correct?

If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0
for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated
by other routers while calculate SPF?

Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link
LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6
link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA),
because LSP will be next-hop in this case.

Thanks.


01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov пишет:

Hi,

Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and
IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions
and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was
possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA
(presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on
remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would
be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can
somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA.
We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case.

Thank you.


01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет:

Hi Alexander,

*From:*Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com
*Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM
*To: *"Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)"
<dirk.goethals@nokia.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, Acee
Lindem<acee@cisco.com
*Subject: *Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

Hi,

I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent
unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs
in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to
each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary
the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for
two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal
with FAs.

Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of
FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA?

Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the interface IDs.

Thanks,

Acee


Thank you.

Best regards,

Alexander Okonnikov


1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, писал:

Hi Dirk,

My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA)
implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are
unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled
anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter.

Thanks,
Acee

*From:*Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk
(Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <dirk.goethals@nokia.com
*Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM
*To:* "lsr@ietf.org"<lsr@ietf.org
*Subject:* [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP

Hi,
In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology
by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa.
In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor
interface ID is known.
So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology,
if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel.
Is that correct?
As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do
we have other possibilities?
Thx,
Dirk


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No need to, given that you relaxed the 2WC by using zeros for interface IDs? ECMP on the tunnel-head is a local matter. thanks, Peter > Dirk > > Op 2/03/2018 om 7:26 schreef Alexander Okonnikov: >> Hi Peter, >> >> How then several interfaces could be distinguished? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, >> Alexander Okonnikov >> >> 2 марта 2018 г., 9:07 +0300, Peter Psenak , писал: >>> Hi Dirk, >>> >>> you can set the Local/Remote ID for any FA tunnel to 0 and all would >>> just work fine. There are implementations doing that :) >>> >>> thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On 01/03/18 21:06 , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote: >>>> Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter, >>>> Thanks for your prompt suggestions. >>>> >>>> Alexander, >>>> I’m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSPFV2. >>>> So, I’m somewere on the same track as you, i.e. >>>> 1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=0, similar as unnumbered >>>> p2p in OSPFv2 >>>> 2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=0, pick up the local >>>> tunnelinfo iso neigbors >>>> ip address. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Dirk >>>> >>>> _____________________________ >>>> From: Alexander Okonnikov >>> Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>>> To: Acee Lindem (acee) , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - >>>> BE/Antwerp) , >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor Interface >>>> ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF >>>> algorithm from RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link back to >>>> V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not >>>> necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two >>>> unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it >>>> correct? >>>> >>>> If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID to 0 >>>> for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be treated >>>> by other routers while calculate SPF? >>>> >>>> Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding Link >>>> LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 >>>> link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), >>>> because LSP will be next-hop in this case. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> 01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov пишет: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and >>>>> IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions >>>>> and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was >>>>> possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check for FA >>>>> (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress "link" on >>>>> remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would >>>>> be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can >>>>> somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for FA. >>>>> We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this case. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alexander, >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*Alexander Okonnikov >>>>> *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM >>>>>> *To: *"Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >>>>>> , "lsr@ietf.org" , Acee >>>>>> Lindem>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent >>>>>> unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs >>>>>> in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not associated to >>>>>> each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary >>>>>> the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for >>>>>> two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal >>>>>> with FAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is owner of >>>>>> FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA? >>>>>> >>>>>> Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the >>>>>> interface IDs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Acee >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Alexander Okonnikov >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) , >>>>>> писал: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dirk, >>>>>> >>>>>> My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) >>>>>> implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are >>>>>> unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled >>>>>> anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Acee >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*Lsr on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk >>>>>> (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >>>>> *Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM >>>>>> *To:* "lsr@ietf.org">>>>> *Subject:* [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology >>>>>> by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. >>>>>> In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor >>>>>> interface ID is known. >>>>>> So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, >>>>>> if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. >>>>>> Is that correct? >>>>>> As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do >>>>>> we have other possibilities? >>>>>> Thx, >>>>>> Dirk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Lsr mailing list >>>>>> Lsr@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lsr mailing list >>>> Lsr@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>>> >>> > > . 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[217.195.72.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o28sm1240514lfc.63.2018.03.01.23.58.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:58:09 -0800 (PST) To: Peter Psenak , Dirk Goethals , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "lsr@ietf.org" References: <292c4d7f-157b-6920-917a-5157fb2890aa@nokia.com> <2D3557F2-53EA-4C4B-9B00-474C5FF4EBAF@cisco.com> <26b261b4-00b1-4e01-ab4c-ede98883b155@Spark> <8D23AE85-3408-457E-A1CC-4B78157A11BE@cisco.com> <5A98EA35.1050704@cisco.com> <33a9ec0b-f6f6-4ae6-851c-afbea9faf182@Spark> <66ed0fee-8ec8-db14-a1bb-8a11ecf18e67@nokia.com> <5A98FEA8.20003@cisco.com> From: Alexander Okonnikov Message-ID: <33cfc1b0-897d-ecbb-f539-e653805d3ea0@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:58:08 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A98FEA8.20003@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:58:22 -0000 My concern is about management aspect - how two or more interfaces with the same ID will be treated by management system? 02.03.2018 10:35, Peter Psenak пишет: > On 02/03/18 08:25 , Dirk Goethals wrote: >> Hi Alexander, >> You don't need a nhop for tunnels, so why would you need >> to distinguish the interfaces? > > right. No need to, given that you relaxed the 2WC by using zeros for > interface IDs? ECMP on the tunnel-head is a local matter. > > thanks, > Peter >> Dirk >> >> Op 2/03/2018 om 7:26 schreef Alexander Okonnikov: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> How then several interfaces could be distinguished? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Alexander Okonnikov >>> >>> 2 марта 2018 г., 9:07 +0300, Peter Psenak , писал: >>>> Hi Dirk, >>>> >>>> you can set the Local/Remote ID for any FA tunnel to 0 and all would >>>> just work fine. There are implementations doing that :) >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> On 01/03/18 21:06 , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote: >>>>> Hi Alexander, Acee, Peter, >>>>> Thanks for your prompt suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> Alexander, >>>>> I’m also in favor of having something as simple as in OSPFV2. >>>>> So, I’m somewere on the same track as you, i.e. >>>>> 1) a flexible bidirectional check when nbrid=0, similar as unnumbered >>>>> p2p in OSPFv2 >>>>> 2) during next hop resolution, when nbrid=0, pick up the local >>>>> tunnelinfo iso neigbors >>>>> ip address. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Dirk >>>>> >>>>> _____________________________ >>>>> From: Alexander Okonnikov >>>> Sent: donderdag, maart 1, 2018 6:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>>>> To: Acee Lindem (acee) , Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - >>>>> BE/Antwerp) , >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I cannot find in RFC 5340 where pair of Interface ID/Neighbor >>>>> Interface >>>>> ID are used for two-way check for P2P link. RFC 5340 reuses SPF >>>>> algorithm from RFC 2328. RFC 2328 says that W should have link >>>>> back to >>>>> V, but it also says (in footnote 23) that link from W to V does not >>>>> necessarily matches to link from V to W. I.e. presence of two >>>>> unidirectional links is enough for two-way check to be passed. Is it >>>>> correct? >>>>> >>>>> If yes then, what if OSPFv3 router will set Neighbor Interface ID >>>>> to 0 >>>>> for P2P link and the neighbor will do the same? How it will be >>>>> treated >>>>> by other routers while calculate SPF? >>>>> >>>>> Also, Neighbor Interface ID is used as reference for corresponding >>>>> Link >>>>> LSA while calculating next-hop. Per my understanding neighbor's IPv6 >>>>> link-local address is not needed (as well as neighbor's Link LSA), >>>>> because LSP will be next-hop in this case. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 01.03.2018 20:08, Alexander Okonnikov пишет: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Need for advertising of FA by both sides is dictated by OSPFv2 and >>>>>> IS-IS, because they 1) check presence of adjacency in two directions >>>>>> and 2) cannot distinguish FA from regular P2P link. If latter was >>>>>> possible, then it would not be needed to perform two-way check >>>>>> for FA >>>>>> (presence of FA just in forward direction means that ingress >>>>>> "link" on >>>>>> remote neighbor is working; otherwise LSP in forward direction would >>>>>> be broken). It can be generalized to all three protocols: if we can >>>>>> somehow identify link type as FA, we don't need two-way check for >>>>>> FA. >>>>>> We also don't need Neighbor Interface ID for FA in OSPFv3 in this >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 01.03.2018 19:56, Acee Lindem (acee) пишет: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alexander, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:*Alexander Okonnikov >>>>>> *Date: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM >>>>>>> *To: *"Goethals, Dirk (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >>>>>>> , "lsr@ietf.org" , Acee >>>>>>> Lindem>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that problem here is that two LSPs are two independent >>>>>>> unidirectional links, rather than one bidirectional. Moreover, LSPs >>>>>>> in two directions are not pairs (some two LSPs are not >>>>>>> associated to >>>>>>> each other), and amount of LSPs in each direction is not necessary >>>>>>> the same. I could assume that some router uses Interface IDs for >>>>>>> two-way check, but it is not so straightforward when we have deal >>>>>>> with FAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Acee, two-way check could be disabled on the router that is >>>>>>> owner of >>>>>>> FA, but how other routers will distinguish regular P2P from FA? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good point – all the transit routers need to agree on the >>>>>>> interface IDs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alexander Okonnikov >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 марта 2018 г., 19:37 +0300, Acee Lindem (acee) , >>>>>>> писал: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dirk, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My memory has faded somewhat on Forwarding Adjacency (FA) >>>>>>> implementation. However, since basic MPLS LSPs are >>>>>>> unidirectional, doesn’t the SPF two-way check have to be disabled >>>>>>> anyway? If so, the Remote Interface ID doesn’t matter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:*Lsr on behalf of "Goethals, Dirk >>>>>>> (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >>>>>> *Date:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:06 AM >>>>>>> *To:* "lsr@ietf.org">>>>>> *Subject:* [Lsr] advertising tunnels in IGP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> In OSPFv2 (and ISIS), we can add (RSVP) tunnels to the topology >>>>>>> by adding them as a unnumbered link in the router lsa. >>>>>>> In OSPFv3, we can only add a link to the router-lsa if the neighbor >>>>>>> interface ID is known. >>>>>>> So it looks like we can only add a tunnel to the OSPFv3 topology, >>>>>>> if we first exchanging hello packets over the tunnel. >>>>>>> Is that correct? >>>>>>> As this is not needed in the other IGPs, do >>>>>>> we have other possibilities? >>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>> Dirk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Lsr mailing list >>>>>>> Lsr@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Lsr mailing list >>>>> Lsr@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>>>> >>>> >> >> . > From nobody Sat Mar 3 18:19:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F85F1200C1; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:19:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.73.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152012998707.12041.13234244464286309749@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 18:19:47 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-10.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 02:19:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for OSPF Protocol Authors : Derek Yeung Yingzhen Qu Jeffrey Zhang Ing-Wher Chen Acee Lindem Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-yang-10.txt Pages : 106 Date : 2018-03-03 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage OSPF. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-yang-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-yang-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-yang-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for OSPF SR (Segment Routing) Protocol Authors : Derek Yeung Yingzhen Qu Jeffrey Zhang Ing-Wher Chen Acee Lindem Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang-04.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-03-03 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage OSPF Segment Routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Tue, 6 Mar 2018 22:56:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 22:56:25 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: lsr-chairs@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com Message-ID: <20180306215625.GQ15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Request slot for LSR@101 - draft-eckert-teas-bier-te-framework X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 21:56:34 -0000 Dear LSR WG chairs, I am hereby requesting a slot for LSR WG @IETF101 to present subject draft. At the core of the proposed framework for the control plane of BIER-TE is a proposed topology model for BIER-TE to allow path calculation (and other consistency calculation) - distributed through the IGPs. I would like to get early feedback before we would start to work on the actual encoding of this topology information into IGP LSA/LSP types. 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Wed, 7 Mar 2018 00:12:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 00:12:48 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "akatlas@gmail.com" Message-ID: <20180306231248.GS15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20180306215625.GQ15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Request slot for LSR@101 - draft-eckert-teas-bier-te-framework X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 23:13:00 -0000 Thanks, Acee - too bad. Very much a fan of creation of LSR. Sad that it meant moving from two underused WG meetings to one WG meeting that does not have enough time for new work. Reminds me of TSVWG. *sigh* Well, i guess all i am left with is to ask LSR WG members to attend TEAS on monday and hope my request for slot there will be successful. Feedback on the proposed topology model is important for the design. Cheers Toerless P.S.: When are requests for slots LSR@IEF102 opening up ? ;-)) On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:44:44PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Toerless, > > Unfortunately, we have a very full agenda already and are not taking additional presentation for IETF 101. Additionally, you're going to need to present it in TEAS anyway due to their mandate... > > Thanks, > Acee > > ???On 3/6/18, 4:56 PM, "Lsr on behalf of Toerless Eckert" wrote: > > Dear LSR WG chairs, > > I am hereby requesting a slot for LSR WG @IETF101 to present subject draft. > > At the core of the proposed framework for the control plane of BIER-TE is > a proposed topology model for BIER-TE to allow path calculation (and other > consistency calculation) - distributed through the IGPs. > > I would like to get early feedback before we would start to work on the > actual encoding of this topology information into IGP LSA/LSP types. > > Cheers > Toerless > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Wed Mar 7 02:22:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00493126CF9; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 02:22:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEagF2lNMc3I; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 02:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134E3124239; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 02:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dap.chopps.org (24-247-65-170.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com [24.247.65.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A00B62B2F; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 10:22:14 +0000 (UTC) References: <20180306215625.GQ15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180306231248.GS15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> User-agent: mu4e 1.0-alpha2; emacs 25.3.1 From: Christian Hopps To: Toerless Eckert Cc: "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , "lsr-chairs\@ietf.org" , "lsr\@ietf.org" , "akatlas\@gmail.com" In-reply-to: <20180306231248.GS15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 05:22:11 -0500 Message-ID: <87woyojics.fsf@chopps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Request slot for LSR@101 - draft-eckert-teas-bier-te-framework X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 10:22:18 -0000 Toerless Eckert writes: > Thanks, Acee - too bad. > > Very much a fan of creation of LSR. Sad that it meant moving from > two underused WG meetings to one WG meeting that does not have enough > time for new work. Reminds me of TSVWG. *sigh* Well now that's not really fair, is it? This is our second meeting, first as LSR and we didn't run out of time in the initial joint session. Given that apparently you need to present in TEAS first anyway it seems like 102 is likely a better fit for an encoding presentation anyway. I'm fine with you requesting a time slot in 102 right now if you want. We can also put you on standby for 101 if we have any cancellations. :) Thanks, Chris. > Well, i guess all i am left with is to ask LSR WG members to attend TEAS > on monday and hope my request for slot there will be successful. Feedback > on the proposed topology model is important for the design. > > Cheers > Toerless > > P.S.: When are requests for slots LSR@IEF102 opening up ? ;-)) > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:44:44PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> Hi Toerless, >> >> Unfortunately, we have a very full agenda already and are not taking additional presentation for IETF 101. Additionally, you're going to need to present it in TEAS anyway due to their mandate... >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> ???On 3/6/18, 4:56 PM, "Lsr on behalf of Toerless Eckert" wrote: >> >> Dear LSR WG chairs, >> >> I am hereby requesting a slot for LSR WG @IETF101 to present subject draft. >> >> At the core of the proposed framework for the control plane of BIER-TE is >> a proposed topology model for BIER-TE to allow path calculation (and other >> consistency calculation) - distributed through the IGPs. >> >> I would like to get early feedback before we would start to work on the >> actual encoding of this topology information into IGP LSA/LSP types. >> >> Cheers >> Toerless >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >> From nobody Wed Mar 7 03:20:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED2C12D870 for ; 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I expect this should be finalized today or tomorrow... Lou On March 7, 2018 5:22:59 AM Christian Hopps wrote: > > Toerless Eckert writes: > >> Thanks, Acee - too bad. >> >> Very much a fan of creation of LSR. Sad that it meant moving from >> two underused WG meetings to one WG meeting that does not have enough >> time for new work. Reminds me of TSVWG. *sigh* > > Well now that's not really fair, is it? This is our second meeting, first > as LSR and we didn't run out of time in the initial joint session. > > Given that apparently you need to present in TEAS first anyway it seems > like 102 is likely a better fit for an encoding presentation anyway. I'm > fine with you requesting a time slot in 102 right now if you want. We can > also put you on standby for 101 if we have any cancellations. :) > > Thanks, > Chris. > >> Well, i guess all i am left with is to ask LSR WG members to attend TEAS >> on monday and hope my request for slot there will be successful. Feedback >> on the proposed topology model is important for the design. > >> >> Cheers >> Toerless >> >> P.S.: When are requests for slots LSR@IEF102 opening up ? ;-)) >> >> On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:44:44PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >>> Hi Toerless, >>> >>> Unfortunately, we have a very full agenda already and are not taking >>> additional presentation for IETF 101. Additionally, you're going to need to >>> present it in TEAS anyway due to their mandate... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> ???On 3/6/18, 4:56 PM, "Lsr on behalf of Toerless Eckert" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear LSR WG chairs, >>> >>> I am hereby requesting a slot for LSR WG @IETF101 to present subject draft. >>> >>> At the core of the proposed framework for the control plane of BIER-TE is >>> a proposed topology model for BIER-TE to allow path calculation (and other >>> consistency calculation) - distributed through the IGPs. >>> >>> I would like to get early feedback before we would start to work on the >>> actual encoding of this topology information into IGP LSA/LSP types. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Toerless >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lsr mailing list >>> Lsr@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Wed 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"akatlas@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Lsr] Request slot for LSR@101 - draft-eckert-teas-bier-te-framework Thread-Index: AQHTtZYGwwBXzY7lQE6BXqDM8xwvk6PDzkUAgABbqQCAALsGgIAAECwA//+58gA= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:09:21 +0000 Message-ID: <862B4FF5-74E1-4022-82AB-488EBA5091B1@cisco.com> References: <20180306215625.GQ15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180306231248.GS15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <87woyojics.fsf@chopps.org> <162003086b8.27d3.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <162003086b8.27d3.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.116.152.196] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Request slot for LSR@101 - draft-eckert-teas-bier-te-framework 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<20180306215625.GQ15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180306231248.GS15215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <87woyojics.fsf@chopps.org> <162003086b8.27d3.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> <862B4FF5-74E1-4022-82AB-488EBA5091B1@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <862B4FF5-74E1-4022-82AB-488EBA5091B1@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Request slot for LSR@101 - draft-eckert-teas-bier-te-framework X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:24:44 -0000 Thanks, Acee. Hadn't considered RTG yet at all. Not sure which piece of the puzzle they would claim responsibility for... Cheers Toerless On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 12:09:21PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Lou, > > I had looked at the IETF agenda yesterday while we were considering this presentation and your request for a swap of CCAMP and TEAS had already been fulfilled - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html > > So, given that this BIER TE Framework presentation is also being presented in the BIER WG, IETF 101 attendees should have ample opportunity to consume it. I won't even suggest it be presented in the RTG WG... ;^) > > Thanks, > Acee > > > ???On 3/7/18, 6:20 AM, "Lsr on behalf of Lou Berger" wrote: > > FWIW TEAS, which clashes with LSR, is in the process of being swapped wth > CCAMP. I expect this should be finalized today or tomorrow... > > Lou > > > On March 7, 2018 5:22:59 AM Christian Hopps wrote: > > > > > Toerless Eckert writes: > > > >> Thanks, Acee - too bad. > >> > >> Very much a fan of creation of LSR. Sad that it meant moving from > >> two underused WG meetings to one WG meeting that does not have enough > >> time for new work. Reminds me of TSVWG. *sigh* > > > > Well now that's not really fair, is it? This is our second meeting, first > > as LSR and we didn't run out of time in the initial joint session. > > > > Given that apparently you need to present in TEAS first anyway it seems > > like 102 is likely a better fit for an encoding presentation anyway. I'm > > fine with you requesting a time slot in 102 right now if you want. We can > > also put you on standby for 101 if we have any cancellations. :) > > > > Thanks, > > Chris. > > > >> Well, i guess all i am left with is to ask LSR WG members to attend TEAS > >> on monday and hope my request for slot there will be successful. Feedback > >> on the proposed topology model is important for the design. > > > >> > >> Cheers > >> Toerless > >> > >> P.S.: When are requests for slots LSR@IEF102 opening up ? ;-)) > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:44:44PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > >>> Hi Toerless, > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, we have a very full agenda already and are not taking > >>> additional presentation for IETF 101. Additionally, you're going to need to > >>> present it in TEAS anyway due to their mandate... > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Acee > >>> > >>> ???On 3/6/18, 4:56 PM, "Lsr on behalf of Toerless Eckert" > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear LSR WG chairs, > >>> > >>> I am hereby requesting a slot for LSR WG @IETF101 to present subject draft. > >>> > >>> At the core of the proposed framework for the control plane of BIER-TE is > >>> a proposed topology model for BIER-TE to allow path calculation (and other > >>> consistency calculation) - distributed through the IGPs. > >>> > >>> I would like to get early feedback before we would start to work on the > >>> actual encoding of this topology information into IGP LSA/LSP types. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Toerless > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Lsr mailing list > >>> Lsr@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lsr mailing list > > Lsr@ietf.org 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(ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zSN2qpGbOYxW; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 00:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FB91200C5; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (h-80-27.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [212.85.80.27]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 929CB1AE034E; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 08:30:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 08:30:35 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20180314.083035.1071848174448590900.mbj@tail-f.com> To: acee@cisco.com Cc: lhotka@nic.cz, yang-doctors@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-yang.all@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <20171206.124611.1073986528289329597.mbj@tail-f.com> <1F5FF6F1-1309-4A89-9A79-4607C2423CEE@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:30:43 -0000 Hi, "Acee Lindem (acee)" wrote: > Hi Martin, > We believe that https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-yang/ > satisfies your comments. Please take a look. > Thanks, > Acee > > On 12/6/17, 6:46 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" wrote: > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > The data model defined in this document is a massive piece of work: > > it > > consists of 11 YANG modules and defines around 1200 schema nodes. The > > 11 YANG modules? Isn't there just one? > > > I would like to add two quick comments to Lada's review. > > o Remove all "revision" statements except the one that says "initial > revision". The idea is to have one revision statement per > published version (i.e., RFC). This is now addressed. > > o Many of the nodes have quite rudimentary descriptions, and the > "reference" statement is rarely used. For example: > > leaf lsa-id { > type yang:dotted-quad; > mandatory true; > description "LSA ID."; > } > > It seems as the description is put there just to keep the tools > quiet. I know that it is painful to write good descriptions, but > it does help the consumer of the data model. I don't think this was addressed; many descriptions are still on this form (including the lsa-id). But if the authors and the WG believe that this is clear to the reader this is fine. Just a few additional comments: o In section 3, before the module, add: This module augments [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis], imports a grouping from [I-D.ietf-bfd-yang], and references [RFC1765], [RFC4552], [RFC5082], [RFC5286], [RFC5329], [RFC5443], [RFC5631], [RFC5714], [RFC5880], [RFC5881], [RFC6021], [RFC6860], [RFC6987], [RFC7490], [RFC7684], [RFC7777], [RFC8291], and [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo]. and add these documents to the references. NOTE: the list above is probably not complete, please ensure that all references in the YANG module are covered in this list, except the ones that are already present in the text body of the document (like RFC 8177). Also add RFC editor notes to the "RFC XXXX" strings you have that refer to current I-Ds (as opposed to the current document). o Remove the statement reference "RFC XXXX"; on the top-level (before the revision statement). (The revision statement references this RFC). o I suggest you remove the "end comments" like: } // list link-scope-lsas It is not really clear why some end brackets have them and some do not. Also they are not consistent, and sometimes don't match the "other end" (probably half of the ones I quickly checked were not correct). If you decide to keep them, please ensure that they are consistent and correct. /martin > > > /martin > > > > "ietf-ospf@2017-10-30" module is compatible with the NMDA > > architecture. > > > > **** Comments > > > > 1. Unless there is a really compelling reason not to do so, the > > "ietf-ospf" should declare YANG version 1.1. For one, > > "ietf-routing" that is being augmented by "ietf-ospf" already > > declares this version. Some of my suggestions below also assume > > version 1.1. > > > > 2. The "ietf-ospf" can work only with the new NMDA-compatible > > revisions of some modules, such as "ietf-interfaces" and > > "ietf-routing". I understand it is not desirable to import such > > modules by revision, but at least it should be mentioned in a > > description attached to every such import. > > > > 3. Maybe the draft could mention that implementations should supply a > > default routing domain as a system-controlled resource. > > > > 4. In "when" expressions, the module uses literal strings for > > identities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath functions > > derived-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be used instead. > > > > 5. Some enumerations, such as "packet-type" and "if-state-type" > > define enum identifiers with uppercase letters and/or underscores, > > for example "Database-Description" or "LONG_WAIT". RFC6087bis > > recommends that only lowercase letters, numbers and dashes. I > > think > > this convention should be observed despite the fact that the > > current names are traditionally used in OSPF specs. The > > "ietf-routing" module also defines "router-id" even though the > > documents use "Router ID". > > > > 6. The types of LSA headers are modelled as integers. While OSPF > > gurus > > probably know these numbers by heart, it is not very > > reader-frienly. So at least some references to documents defining > > these numbers should be provided, but my suggestion is to consider > > implementing them with identities. It seems it might also be > > useful > > to define some "abstract" identities for these types. For example, > > if "opaque-lsa" is defined, then the definition of container > > "opaque" could simply use > > > > when "derived-from(../../header/type, 'ospf:opaque-lsa')"; > > > > instead of > > > > when "../../header/type = 9 or " > > + "../../header/type = 10 or " > > + "../../header/type = 11"; > > > > 7. The title of sec. 2.9 should be "OSPF Notifications" rather than > > "OSPF notification". > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > > > > From nobody Wed Mar 14 10:19:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C03F120227 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIgapiDGcQNb for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 699C3120047 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id EBD1EB80C95; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:17:05 -0700 (PDT) To: lberger@labn.net, ibryskin@advaoptical.com, alex.zinin@alcatel-lucent.com, none@rfc-editor.org, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, akr@cisco.com, acee@cisco.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: angelos.a.vassiliou@gmail.com, lsr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180314171705.EBD1EB80C95@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:19:35 -0700 Subject: [Lsr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5250 (5287) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:17:07 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5250, "The OSPF Opaque LSA Option". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5287 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Angelos Vassiliou Section: 7 Original Text ------------- inter-area procedures described in Section 6 of this document. Corrected Text -------------- inter-area procedures described in Section 5 of this document. Notes ----- Inter-Area Considerations are discussed in Section 5, not Section 6. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5250 (draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-05) -------------------------------------- Title : The OSPF Opaque LSA Option Publication Date : July 2008 Author(s) : L. Berger, I. Bryskin, A. Zinin, R. 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charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180314195347.6C840B827B8@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] [Errata Rejected] RFC5309 (5007) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:53:50 -0000 The following errata report has been rejected for RFC5309, "Point-to-Point Operation over LAN in Link State Routing Protocols". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5007 -------------------------------------- Status: Rejected Type: Technical Reported by: Alexander Vainshtein Date Reported: 2017-04-30 Rejected by: Alvaro Retana (IESG) Section: 4.3 Original Text ------------- For the ARP implementation (which checks that the subnet of the source address of the ARP request matches the local interface address), this check needs to be relaxed for the unnumbered p2p-over-lan circuits. Corrected Text -------------- For the ARP implementation (which checks that the subnet of the source address of the ARP request matches the local interface address), this check needs to be relaxed for the p2p-over-lan circuits (both numbered and unnumbered). Notes ----- Consider the following situation: 1. Two routers, R1 and R2, are connected by a physical P2P Ethernet link 2. OSPFv2 is enabled on the interfaces representing the endpoints of this link. 3. From the OSPF POV these interfaces: o Are configured as P2P o Belong to the same area o Are assigned with IP addresses and subnet masks yielding different subnets 4. ARP check mentioned in the problematic text is not relaxed. Under this conditions: -Both R1 and R2 will accept Hello messages sent by the other router (becase it ignores subnet in Hello messages received via P2P interfaces) - Adjacency between R1 and R2 will progress to FULL state (because all OSPFv2 messages will be sent with AllSPFRouters multicast IPv4 address) - Unicast traffic sent by R1 to R2 (and vice versa) will be blackholed because ARP will not resolve addresses assigned to the corresponding interfaces. --VERIFIER NOTES-- RFC 5309 introduced the possibility of supporting an unnumbered configuration on a LAN. Statements in this RFC regarding ARP concerns are therefore deliberately limited to this new configuration. For IS-IS, RFC 3787 Section 10 discusses concerns regarding mismatched subnets on numbered links. For OSPF it is well known that there are some existing implementations which have supported mismatched subnets for many years. Any concerns with ARP behavior in support of mismatched subnets on numbered LANs is out of scope of RFC 5309. [https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/isis-wg/aCFWc8KuE8xEy0-qIrN63odct1o/?qid=623f2d68947e2ec849fb2e2a7f2e6242] -------------------------------------- RFC5309 (draft-ietf-isis-igp-p2p-over-lan-06) -------------------------------------- Title : Point-to-Point Operation over LAN in Link State Routing Protocols Publication Date : October 2008 Author(s) : N. Shen, Ed., A. Zinin, Ed. Category : INFORMATIONAL Source : IS-IS for IP Internets Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Wed Mar 14 13:07:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F6F127241; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Nd9WDeZY8lX; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BAC412426E; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id AB36AB8103E; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) To: angelos.a.vassiliou@gmail.com, lberger@labn.net, ibryskin@advaoptical.com, alex.zinin@alcatel-lucent.com, none@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, iesg@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180314200658.AB36AB8103E@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC5250 (5287) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:07:00 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC5250, "The OSPF Opaque LSA Option". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5287 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Angelos Vassiliou Date Reported: 2018-03-14 Held by: Alvaro Retana (IESG) Section: 7 Original Text ------------- inter-area procedures described in Section 6 of this document. Corrected Text -------------- inter-area procedures described in Section 5 of this document. Notes ----- Inter-Area Considerations are discussed in Section 5, not Section 6. -------------------------------------- RFC5250 (draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-05) -------------------------------------- Title : The OSPF Opaque LSA Option Publication Date : July 2008 Author(s) : L. Berger, I. Bryskin, A. Zinin, R. 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boundary="000000000000ef61260567c07eb2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:22:30 -0000 --000000000000ef61260567c07eb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee, For the descriptions, there are tools that use these to build documentation automatically for a YANG model. We have found that such documentation is particularly useful for engineers that are actually consuming the models to generate config. Going forward, if we expect YANG modelled data to be the way that we interact with network elements, then such generated documentation is likely to replace a bunch of CLI manuals, so it is worth ensuring the descriptions are useful in such a context IMHO. Just my $0.02, r. On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 17:31 Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Martin, > > =EF=BB=BFOn 3/14/18, 3:30 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" wrote: > > Hi, > > "Acee Lindem (acee)" wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > We believe that > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-yang/ > > satisfies your comments. Please take a look. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > On 12/6/17, 6:46 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" wrote: > > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka > > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > > > The data model defined in this document is a massive piec= e > of work: > > > it > > > consists of 11 YANG modules and defines around 1200 schem= a > nodes. The > > > > 11 YANG modules? Isn't there just one? > > > > > > I would like to add two quick comments to Lada's review. > > > > o Remove all "revision" statements except the one that say= s > "initial > > revision". The idea is to have one revision statement > per > > published version (i.e., RFC). > > This is now addressed. > > > > > > o Many of the nodes have quite rudimentary descriptions, > and the > > "reference" statement is rarely used. For example: > > > > leaf lsa-id { > > type yang:dotted-quad; > > mandatory true; > > description "LSA ID."; > > } > > > > It seems as the description is put there just to keep th= e > tools > > quiet. I know that it is painful to write good > descriptions, but > > it does help the consumer of the data model. > > I don't think this was addressed; many descriptions are still on this > form (including the lsa-id). But if the authors and the WG believe > that this is clear to the reader this is fine. > > Note that I did beef up the descriptions and references for a number of > data leaves. This is a pretty fundamental concept in OSPF and one could > argument that someone who doesn=E2=80=99t understand it won't benefit fro= m looking > at the YANG model. However, we will expand the abbreviation in the first > occurrence and indicate that LSAs are uniquely identified by the lsa-id, adv-router> tuple in the various database description text. > > > Just a few additional comments: > > o In section 3, before the module, add: > > This module augments [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis], imports a > grouping from [I-D.ietf-bfd-yang], and references [RFC1765], > [RFC4552], [RFC5082], [RFC5286], [RFC5329], [RFC5443], [RFC5631], > [RFC5714], [RFC5880], [RFC5881], [RFC6021], [RFC6860], [RFC6987], > [RFC7490], [RFC7684], [RFC7777], [RFC8291], and > [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo]. > > > and add these documents to the references. > > NOTE: the list above is probably not complete, please ensure that > all references in the YANG module are covered in this list, except > the ones that are already present in the text body of the document > (like RFC 8177). > > Thanks - actually I knew about these many were a result of the above done > right before the IETF cut-off. I was fully expecting a comment from Tom > Petch by now... We'll make sure we add all these in the next revision. > > > Also add RFC editor notes to the "RFC XXXX" strings you have that > refer to current I-Ds (as opposed to the current document). > > Right - a few of these are in the AUTH48 hours and will be updated to the > actual numbers in the next revision. > > > o Remove the statement > > reference "RFC XXXX"; > > on the top-level (before the revision statement). > > (The revision statement references this RFC). > > Sure. > > > o I suggest you remove the "end comments" like: > > } // list link-scope-lsas > > It is not really clear why some end brackets have them and some do > not. Also they are not consistent, and sometimes don't match the > "other end" (probably half of the ones I quickly checked were not > correct). > > If you decide to keep them, please ensure that they are consistent > and correct. > > I agree - let me discuss with my co-authors. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > "ietf-ospf@2017-10-30" module is compatible with the NMDA > > > architecture. > > > > > > **** Comments > > > > > > 1. Unless there is a really compelling reason not to do > so, the > > > "ietf-ospf" should declare YANG version 1.1. For one, > > > "ietf-routing" that is being augmented by "ietf-ospf" > already > > > declares this version. Some of my suggestions below > also assume > > > version 1.1. > > > > > > 2. The "ietf-ospf" can work only with the new > NMDA-compatible > > > revisions of some modules, such as "ietf-interfaces" a= nd > > > "ietf-routing". I understand it is not desirable to > import such > > > modules by revision, but at least it should be > mentioned in a > > > description attached to every such import. > > > > > > 3. Maybe the draft could mention that implementations > should supply a > > > default routing domain as a system-controlled resource= . > > > > > > 4. In "when" expressions, the module uses literal strings > for > > > identities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath > functions > > > derived-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be use= d > instead. > > > > > > 5. Some enumerations, such as "packet-type" and > "if-state-type" > > > define enum identifiers with uppercase letters and/or > underscores, > > > for example "Database-Description" or "LONG_WAIT". > RFC6087bis > > > recommends that only lowercase letters, numbers and > dashes. I > > > think > > > this convention should be observed despite the fact > that the > > > current names are traditionally used in OSPF specs. Th= e > > > "ietf-routing" module also defines "router-id" even > though the > > > documents use "Router ID". > > > > > > 6. The types of LSA headers are modelled as integers. > While OSPF > > > gurus > > > probably know these numbers by heart, it is not very > > > reader-frienly. So at least some references to > documents defining > > > these numbers should be provided, but my suggestion is > to consider > > > implementing them with identities. It seems it might > also be > > > useful > > > to define some "abstract" identities for these types. > For example, > > > if "opaque-lsa" is defined, then the definition of > container > > > "opaque" could simply use > > > > > > when "derived-from(../../header/type, > 'ospf:opaque-lsa')"; > > > > > > instead of > > > > > > when "../../header/type =3D 9 or " > > > + "../../header/type =3D 10 or " > > > + "../../header/type =3D 11"; > > > > > > 7. The title of sec. 2.9 should be "OSPF Notifications" > rather than > > > "OSPF notification". > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > yang-doctors mailing list > > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --000000000000ef61260567c07eb2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee,

For the descriptions, there are tools that use these to bui= ld documentation automatically for a YANG model. We have found that such do= cumentation is particularly useful for engineers that are actually consumin= g the models to generate config.

Going forward, if we expect YANG m= odelled data to be the way that we interact with network elements, then suc= h generated documentation is likely to replace a bunch of CLI manuals, so i= t is worth ensuring the descriptions are useful in such a context IMHO.
Just my $0.02,
r.
O= n Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 17:31 Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Martin,

=EF=BB=BFOn 3/14/18, 3:30 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Hi Martin,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We believe that https://dat= atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-yang/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > satisfies your comments. Please take a look.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Acee
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 12/6/17, 6:46 AM, "Martin Bjo= rklund" <mbj@ta= il-f.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote= :
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Reviewer: Ladislav= Lhotka
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Review result: Rea= dy with Issues
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> The data model def= ined in this document is a massive piece of work:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> consists of 11 YAN= G modules and defines around 1200 schema nodes. The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A011 YANG modules?=C2=A0 = Isn't there just one?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I would like to add two= quick comments to Lada's review.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Remove all &quo= t;revision" statements except the one that says "initial
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 revision".= =C2=A0 =C2=A0The idea is to have one revision statement per
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 published versi= on (i.e., RFC).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is now addressed.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Many of the nod= es have quite rudimentary descriptions, and the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "reference= " statement is rarely used.=C2=A0 For example:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 leaf lsa-id {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type yang:dotted-quad;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mandatory true;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description "LSA ID.";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 }
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 It seems as the= description is put there just to keep the tools
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 quiet.=C2=A0 I = know that it is painful to write good descriptions, but
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 it does help th= e consumer of the data model.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I don't think this was addressed; many descriptions are s= till on this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 form (including the lsa-id).=C2=A0 But if the authors and the= WG believe
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that this is clear to the reader this is fine.

Note that I did beef up the descriptions and references for a number of dat= a leaves. This is a pretty fundamental concept in OSPF and one could argume= nt that someone who doesn=E2=80=99t understand it won't benefit from lo= oking at the YANG model. However, we will expand the abbreviation in the fi= rst occurrence and indicate that LSAs are uniquely identified by the <ls= a-type, lsa-id, adv-router> tuple in the various database description te= xt.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Just a few additional comments:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 In section 3, before the module, add:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This module augments [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis= ], imports a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0grouping from [I-D.ietf-bfd-yang], and reference= s [RFC1765],
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC4552], [RFC5082], [RFC5286], [RFC5329], [RFC= 5443], [RFC5631],
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC5714], [RFC5880], [RFC5881], [RFC6021], [RFC= 6860], [RFC6987],
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC7490], [RFC7684], [RFC7777], [RFC8291], and<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo].


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and add these documents to the references.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NOTE: the list above is probably not complete, please = ensure that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 all references in the YANG module are covered in this = list, except
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the ones that are already present in the text body of = the document
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (like RFC 8177).

Thanks - actually I knew about these many were a result of the above done r= ight before the IETF cut-off. I was fully expecting a comment from Tom Petc= h by now... We'll make sure we add all these in the next revision.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also add RFC editor notes to the "RFC XXXX" = strings you have that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refer to current I-Ds (as opposed to the current docum= ent).

Right - a few of these are in the AUTH48 hours and will be updated to the a= ctual numbers in the next revision.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Remove the statement

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reference "RFC XXXX";

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on the top-level (before the revision statement)= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(The revision statement references this RFC).
Sure.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 I suggest you remove the "end comments" lik= e:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 } // list link-scope-lsas

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is not really clear why some end brackets hav= e them and some do
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not.=C2=A0 Also they are not consistent, and som= etimes don't match the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"other end" (probably half of the ones= I quickly checked were not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0correct).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you decide to keep them, please ensure that t= hey are consistent
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and correct.

I agree - let me discuss with my co-authors.

Thanks,
Acee





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /martin


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/martin
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> "ietf-ospf@20= 17-10-30" module is compatible with the NMDA
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> architecture.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> **** Comments
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1. Unless there is= a really compelling reason not to do so, the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;ietf-ospf" should declare YANG version 1.1. For one,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;ietf-routing" that is being augmented by "ietf-ospf" alread= y
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 decla= res this version. Some of my suggestions below also assume
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 versi= on 1.1.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2. The "ietf-= ospf" can work only with the new NMDA-compatible
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 revis= ions of some modules, such as "ietf-interfaces" and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;ietf-routing". I understand it is not desirable to import such
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 modul= es by revision, but at least it should be mentioned in a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 descr= iption attached to every such import.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 3. Maybe the draft= could mention that implementations should supply a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 defau= lt routing domain as a system-controlled resource.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 4. In "when&q= uot; expressions, the module uses literal strings for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ident= ities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath functions
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 deriv= ed-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be used instead.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 5. Some enumeratio= ns, such as "packet-type" and "if-state-type"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 defin= e enum identifiers with uppercase letters and/or underscores,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for e= xample "Database-Description" or "LONG_WAIT". RFC6087bi= s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 recom= mends that only lowercase letters, numbers and dashes. I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 think=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this = convention should be observed despite the fact that the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 curre= nt names are traditionally used in OSPF specs. The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;ietf-routing" module also defines "router-id" even though t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 docum= ents use "Router ID".
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 6. The types of LS= A headers are modelled as integers. While OSPF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> gurus
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 proba= bly know these numbers by heart, it is not very
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reade= r-frienly. So at least some references to documents defining
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 these= numbers should be provided, but my suggestion is to consider
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 imple= menting them with identities. It seems it might also be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 usefu= l
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to de= fine some "abstract" identities for these types. For example,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 if &q= uot;opaque-lsa" is defined, then the definition of container
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;opaque" could simply use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 when "derived-from(../../header/type, 'ospf:opaque-lsa')&q= uot;;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 inste= ad of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0when "../../header/type =3D 9 or "
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ "../../header/type =3D 10 or &= quot;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ "../../header/type =3D 11"= ;;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 7. The title of se= c. 2.9 should be "OSPF Notifications" rather than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;OSPF notification".
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" To: Rob Shakir CC: Martin Bjorklund , "lsr@ietf.org" , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "lhotka@nic.cz" , "draft-ietf-ospf-yang.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Lsr] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 Thread-Index: AQHTuxBhx1yNvn+GQU2ozx/7VFKP16POrDSAgADtaICAA4laAIAEcX6A///+NIA= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:15:48 +0000 Message-ID: <8E26A329-58A9-4D0C-9194-340FFB0080FF@cisco.com> References: <20171206.124611.1073986528289329597.mbj@tail-f.com> <1F5FF6F1-1309-4A89-9A79-4607C2423CEE@cisco.com> <20180314.083035.1071848174448590900.mbj@tail-f.com> <2AA1D0A2-3FB5-4512-A038-FD7FA75A1AD0@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.56.58] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8E26A32958A94D0C9194340FFB0080FFciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: 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Errata Reported] RFC7810 (5293) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:45:53 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7810, "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5293 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Jeffrey Haas Section: 4.5-4.7 Original Text ------------- 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Length | RESERVED | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Residual Bandwidth | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ where: Type: 37 Length: 4 RESERVED: This field is reserved for future use Corrected Text -------------- 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Residual Bandwidth | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ where: Type: 37 Length: 4 Notes ----- In sections 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7, a RESERVED field is in the diagram and the text. However, the length field of each of these TLVs is 4. The RESERVED field is thus not present and should be removed in future editions of this document. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7810 (draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions-11) -------------------------------------- Title : IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions Publication Date : May 2016 Author(s) : S. Previdi, Ed., S. Giacalone, D. Ward, J. Drake, Q. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------396EBEA8F721A8A3591481C6" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 05:35:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC7810 (5293) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:34:01 -0000 --------------396EBEA8F721A8A3591481C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Acee, Within Open Source Free Range Routing project, https://frrouting.org, we simply skip this RESERVED byte and use standard TLV header of 4 bytes only like the other TE metric Extensions parameters. Detail are here: https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/blob/master/isisd/isis_te.h lines 216 to 221 So, this errata is fine for me. Adding extra byte will add extra code as this TLV becomes not standard regarding the other ones. Regards, Olivier Le 22/03/2018 à 11:20, Acee Lindem (acee) a écrit : > Hi Jeff, et al, > > Speaking as a WG member: > > I agree there should be an Errata here but the interpretation taken by at least one implementation is to update the length to 5 rather than remove the RESERVED octet. I'd like to hear what other implementations have done. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 3/22/18, 6:49 AM, "Lsr on behalf of RFC Errata System" wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7810, > "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5293 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Editorial > Reported by: Jeffrey Haas > > Section: 4.5-4.7 > > Original Text > ------------- > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Length | RESERVED | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Residual Bandwidth | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > where: > > Type: 37 > > Length: 4 > > RESERVED: This field is reserved for future use > > Corrected Text > -------------- > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Residual Bandwidth | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > where: > > Type: 37 > > Length: 4 > > > > Notes > ----- > In sections 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7, a RESERVED field is in the diagram and the text. However, the length field of each of these TLVs is 4. The RESERVED field is thus not present and should be removed in future editions of this document. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC7810 (draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions-11) > -------------------------------------- > Title : IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions > Publication Date : May 2016 > Author(s) : S. Previdi, Ed., S. Giacalone, D. Ward, J. Drake, Q. 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Hi Acee,

Within Open Source Free Range Routing project, https://frrouting.org, we simply skip this RESERVED byte and use standard TLV header of 4 bytes only like the other TE metric Extensions parameters.

Detail are here: https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/blob/master/isisd/isis_te.h lines 216 to 221

So, this errata is fine for me. Adding extra byte will add extra code as this TLV becomes not standard regarding the other ones.

Regards,

Olivier


Le 22/03/2018 à 11:20, Acee Lindem (acee) a écrit :
Hi Jeff, et al, 

Speaking as a WG member: 

I agree there should be an Errata here but the interpretation taken by at least one implementation is to update the length to 5 rather than remove the RESERVED octet. I'd like to hear what other implementations have done. 

Thanks,
Acee 

On 3/22/18, 6:49 AM, "Lsr on behalf of RFC Errata System" <lsr-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

    The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7810,
    "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions".
    
    --------------------------------------
    You may review the report below and at:
    http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5293
    
    --------------------------------------
    Type: Editorial
    Reported by: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@juniper.net>
    
    Section: 4.5-4.7
    
    Original Text
    -------------
        0                   1                   2                   3
        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       |   Type        |     Length    |  RESERVED     |
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       |                          Residual Bandwidth                   |
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    
       where:
    
       Type: 37
    
       Length: 4
    
       RESERVED: This field is reserved for future use
    
    Corrected Text
    --------------
        0                   1                   2                   3
        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       |   Type        |     Length    |
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       |                          Residual Bandwidth                   |
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    
       where:
    
       Type: 37
    
       Length: 4
    
    
    
    Notes
    -----
    In sections 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7, a RESERVED field is in the diagram and the text.  However, the length field of each of these TLVs is 4.  The RESERVED field is thus not present and should be removed in future editions of this document.
    
    Instructions:
    -------------
    This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
    use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
    rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party  
    can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. 
    
    --------------------------------------
    RFC7810 (draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions-11)
    --------------------------------------
    Title               : IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions
    Publication Date    : May 2016
    Author(s)           : S. Previdi, Ed., S. Giacalone, D. Ward, J. Drake, Q. Wu
    Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
    Source              : IS-IS for IP Internets
    Area                : Routing
    Stream              : IETF
    Verifying Party     : IESG
    
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AElRT7Hs0Z2AOo6NRl95e6WW8UA/krx0kThsFf+ttbmMEMPbX6EjVrSE c/5sCX9/pvOlMSgVl/pYMhFF+0gl+TMQC+xsjEEo8w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELskQshHJuOxNhxK6Hear/8tTQLzOx48WwSZsohXj+Lrf6V5pYa9R0p9BeeSUrB9QPPQEjo9hdQiryZNWeJo7U4= X-Received: by 10.28.194.8 with SMTP id s8mr6337136wmf.134.1521889045903; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 03:57:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.222.197 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 03:57:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180323075937.GX30215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20180323075937.GX30215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:57:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _ZiIM38cNG3RXTMHIZTl3dkqALI Message-ID: To: RTGWG , lsr@ietf.org Cc: Randy Bush , Keyur Patel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b14a4f800ce05682667a7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Comments on draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-00 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:57:30 -0000 --001a114b14a4f800ce05682667a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Authors, Let me just ask one little question .... It seems that ISIS protocol already meets a "Link State Over Ethernet" definition so why to invent anything new here ? If you don't like flooding properties of ISIS just disable it. Do not flood. Do not run SPF in ISIS. Use ISIS only for p2p discovery. You get for free out of the box all what you are trying to describe in the subject document. Integrating open source ISIS code just for discovery (ie. not worring about optimizations of flooding, back-off, timers, spf etc ...) will be IMO much faster even using any apache license existing implementation of ISIS. Last - as Toerless already indicated - solving inevitable inconsistencies of running LSOE, CDP & LLDP between various devices or in parallel on the same links is something that should be addressed from day one. Unless you assume that if someone is to use LSVR is will also have LSOE and any other alternative discovery mechanisms will be disabled. 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Dear Authors,
<= br>
Let me just ask one little question ....=C2=A0<= /div>

It seems that ISIS protocol already meets= a "Link State Over Ethernet" definition so why to invent anythin= g new here ?

If you don't like flooding pr= operties=C2=A0of ISIS just disable it. Do not flood. Do not run SPF in ISIS= . Use ISIS only for p2p discovery.=C2=A0

You get f= or free out of the box all what you are trying to describe in the subject d= ocument. Integrating open source ISIS code just for discovery (ie. not worr= ing about optimizations=C2=A0of flooding, back-off, timers, spf etc ...) wi= ll be IMO much faster even using any apache license existing implementation= of ISIS.

Last - as Toerless already indicated - s= olving inevitable inconsistencies of running LSOE, CDP & LLDP between v= arious devices or in parallel on the same links is something that should be= addressed from day one. Unless you assume that if someone is to use LSVR i= s will also have LSOE and any other alternative discovery mechanisms will b= e disabled.

Best,
RR.

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My thought also. > If you don't like flooding properties of ISIS just disable it. Do not flood. > Do not run SPF in ISIS.. Use ISIS only for p2p discovery. IS-IS now explicitly supports link-scoped "flooding" as per RFC 7356 "IS-IS Flooding Scope Link State PDUs (LSPs)". It also support 16-bit TLV lengths. See in particular Extended Level 1 Circuit Scope (E-L1CS) in RFC 7356. > You get for free out of the box all what you are trying to describe in the > subject document. Integrating open source ISIS code just for discovery (ie. > not worring about optimizations of flooding, back-off, timers, spf etc ...) > will be IMO much faster even using any apache license existing > implementation of ISIS. And authentication (RFC 5310). Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Last - as Toerless already indicated - solving inevitable inconsistencies of > running LSOE, CDP & LLDP between various devices or in parallel on the same > links is something that should be addressed from day one. Unless you assume > that if someone is to use LSVR is will also have LSOE and any other > alternative discovery mechanisms will be disabled. > > Best, > RR. > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Tue Mar 27 09:07:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9924127863 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D9WnuK1IL3s1 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl0-x22b.google.com (mail-pl0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE56A126C2F for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id s24-v6so3991958plq.6 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:mime-version:date:subject:references:to:message-id; bh=pJxMz3rlp1igo4MM2Cm1a8MK+pVuj/eSeC9NZo6pcrM=; b=RNEuHTVoJYqXLyNBfCmLre1FjKye39DaOGv4pz0bwio+6sVK/SfIUl5bC5498DNsJt +JlAQ/6qHZQ+Q2jH6QYqi6ZHoQ0VbbdGZH/xEzxmeERlz+uYGqkG+TRA1deMcBjyq5sf V1ky2Bgbaz7O12ECTusD7tE6g21xVDp1svqU9bNvqW9VUhOKvbzFOWagybiBl26/JZgP rpmGJ3T4LKH9E0Sr/DLHGfLkBz7EKedVmxNyNC9T0j0VxyVglWAVjgCkHm6sdAvaUDIn SO3/9T7/M/YSsjoLczOeFl0PZOWNBenUFFhzIVEaLnE7ywzNvmBu4lJ81gOwlmpPQCeE nKDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:mime-version:date:subject:references :to:message-id; bh=pJxMz3rlp1igo4MM2Cm1a8MK+pVuj/eSeC9NZo6pcrM=; b=VBb5chKw0Bzy0uSGn85sNRQpo2DEFhM0Nw5NUXdM80MFY5+t1E46ugdHk2yZ22noKE XBvvrQnJvYNSSpbX/eaOVtnBXYHJOgaU1l/HbagXmUr2VLXsHIqMFtkHV/Sct3G6Pol2 HVsDRQcxxDFq7+wqO/RZdoB0TywbBseOKS2kTDPxF9ilf/qpXBVxMksdAIKTunUhtDXO 1svrSKxZwSl8I+Tzl8sfIzIJ8DajOhRIVg2qGGJem2KVPlY2HQZW8Wx2fNzrtRDsdZp1 JsoFeB95KPG3Zfvq1pi+Ki/ZFhpAWj7sWhYo56OPULuVeZyj350+PhqXqrpyRYjTd7gX V8gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HLaCEQaZov2ciCm7lQapXS18BHqIbBHXZid3przVYW1bxzv2Lr /DEdTDEfJ16jVlrCGa7Is5Ht2dwl X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+ynBmG/OGWj+nv78bd0XbX8NdI5ibu90XPvSvxSN53tkvXy2/jYQ2PIUZNvyCWnPHizbktHA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7c04:: with SMTP id x4-v6mr3411238pll.142.1522166853896; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.228.216] ([162.210.130.3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g186sm3876171pfb.3.2018.03.27.09.07.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Tony Li From: tony.li@tony.li Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_558ED581-CFAA-4D9F-A7EE-95AAA208AA14" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:07:32 -0700 References: <152216649041.5234.6342137041063769692.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: lsr@ietf.org Message-Id: <7D2C1874-8B55-45B1-8C5F-D4C9C1F47D11@tony.li> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:07:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_558ED581-CFAA-4D9F-A7EE-95AAA208AA14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, I=E2=80=99ve submitted an updated version of my draft. Several changes: - This collapses the two documents into one, so IS-IS is now included. = Placeholders are there for OSPF. - I=E2=80=99ve expanded the discussion of failure modes. - Minor bug fixes. Your comments are solicited=E2=80=A6 Tony > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt > Date: March 27, 2018 at 9:01:30 AM PDT > To: "Tony Li" >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-li-dynamic-flooding > Revision: 04 > Title: Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs > Document date: 2018-03-26 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 17 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-dynamic-flooding/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-dynamic-flooding > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-li-dynamic-flooding-04 >=20 > Abstract: > Routing with link state protocols in dense network topologies can > result in sub-optimal convergence times due to the overhead > associated with flooding. This can be addressed by decreasing the > flooding topology so that it is less dense. >=20 > This document discusses the problem in some depth and an > architectural solution. Specific protocol changes for IS-IS, = OSPFv2, > and OSPFv3 are described in this document. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_558ED581-CFAA-4D9F-A7EE-95AAA208AA14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi all,

I=E2=80=99ve submitted an updated = version of my draft.  Several changes:

- This collapses the two documents into = one, so IS-IS is now included.  Placeholders are there for = OSPF.
- I=E2=80=99ve expanded the discussion of = failure modes.
- Minor bug fixes.

Your comments are = solicited=E2=80=A6

Tony


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Date: = March 27, 2018 at 9:01:30 AM = PDT
To: = "Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li>

A new version of I-D, draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to = the
IETF repository.

Name: = draft-li-dynamic-flooding
Revision: 04
Title:= = Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs
Document = date: = 2018-03-26
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 17
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-= 04.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-dynamic-flooding/=
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-dynamic-flooding=
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-li-dynamic-flooding-0= 4

Abstract:
=   Routing with link state protocols in dense network = topologies can
  result in sub-optimal = convergence times due to the overhead
=   associated with flooding.  This can be addressed by = decreasing the
  flooding topology so that it = is less dense.

  This document = discusses the problem in some depth and an
=   architectural solution.  Specific protocol changes for = IS-IS, OSPFv2,
  and OSPFv3 are described in = this document.




Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of submission
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AM5PR0701MB3026 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] FW: Requested: Volunteers to review draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 07:24:58 -0000 Due to the adjacent nature of LSVR regarding LSR WG technology, the experie= nce and feedback from the LSR WG is appreciated. Please let LSVR WG co-chairs know if you see opportunity to provide help re= garding review/comments on draft draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00 Kind Regards, Gunter & Victor LSVR WG Co-chairs -----Original Message----- From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=20 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 09:16 To: lsvr@ietf.org Subject: Requested: Volunteers to review draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00=20 Hi All, As mentioned during the LSVR WG session during IETF101, we will soon be lau= nching a LSVR WG Adoption call regarding draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00 It would be beneficial to have a few volunteers (maybe even named volunteer= s?) to help the chairs understanding regarding the quality of this document= , with intend to expedite technological discussion and document progress. Please inform LSVR chairs if you see opportunity to provide feedback during= the next 2.5 weeks to help with review comments. 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