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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 56ecb547-5d76-4afa-7ac1-08d5c78fbbfe X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 56ecb547-5d76-4afa-7ac1-08d5c78fbbfe X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Jun 2018 07:17:29.0390 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2401 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 07:17:39 -0000 Hi All, Friday 8 June LSVR WG will have a 90 minute interim meeting to discuss the = updates/feedback/next-steps regarding drafts: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt and https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-keyupate-lsvr-applicability-01.txt The interim is scheduled for Friday 8 June, 4:30pm CET (=3D 7:30am PDT), us= ing Webex conference tool. Agenda, slides and other details will be shared on the datatracker interim = LSVR page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-lsvr-01/session/lsvr Webex details to be distributed soon in the LSVR WG email list Brgds, G/ -----Original Message----- From: Lsvr [mailto:lsvr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 01:40 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: lsvr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol Authors : Keyur Patel Acee Lindem Shawn Zandi Wim Henderickx Filename : draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-05-31 Abstract: Many Massively Scaled Data Centers (MSDCs) have converged on simplified layer 3 routing. Furthermore, requirements for operational simplicity have lead many of these MSDCs to converge on BGP as their single routing protocol for both their fabric routing and their Data Center Interconnect (DCI) routing. This document describes a solution which leverages BGP Link-State distribution and the Shortest Path First (SPF) algorithm similar to Internal Gateway Protocols (IGPs) such as OSPF. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Lsvr mailing list Lsvr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr From nobody Mon Jun 4 15:52:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D59130E0D; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.931 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.931 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CxSvHtW5b6QY; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.icann.org (smtp01.icann.org [192.0.46.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 822C5130E0C; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from request3.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp01.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9909E042F; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by request3.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 6F281C205CB; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:51:56 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: sabrina.tanamal From: "Sabrina Tanamal via RT" Reply-To: iana-prot-param@iana.org In-Reply-To: <6F992B24-F2C5-48EB-AFA0-9E0039E3FAF9@cisco.com> References: <0B952820-E870-4A95-A323-C24D4D393DE9@cisco.com> <6F992B24-F2C5-48EB-AFA0-9E0039E3FAF9@cisco.com> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #1109980 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: sabrina.tanamal@icann.org CC: lsr@ietf.org, ginsberg@cisco.com, draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, chopps@chopps.org, uma.chunduri@huawei.com, acee@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:51:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] [IANA #1109980] Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:52:00 -0000 Hi all, We've updated the expiration date for the following registrations: In the TLV Codepoints Registry: 149 Segment Identifier / Label Binding (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) n y n n [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] 150 Multi-Topology Segment Identifier / Label Binding (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) n y n n [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] In the Sub-TLVs for TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, and 223 registry: 31 Adjacency Segment Identifier (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) y y n y y y [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] 32 LAN Adjacency Segment Identifier (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) y y n y y y [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] In the Sub-TLVs for TLVs 135, 235, 236, and 237 registry: 3 Prefix Segment Identifier (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) y y y y [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] In the Sub-TLVs for TLV 242 registry: 2 Segment Routing Capability (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] 19 Segment Routing Algorithm (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] We've made the following early allocations: 22 Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB) (TEMPORARY - registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-04) [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] 24 Segment Routing Mapping Server Preference (SRMS Preference) (TEMPORARY - registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-04) [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] Please see https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints Best regards, Sabrina Tanamal Senior IANA Services Specialist On Tue May 15 17:12:25 2018, acee@cisco.com wrote: > Hi Amanda, et al, > > I just communicated with Les, one of the designated experts for the > IS-IS TLV 242 registry, and the draft requires two additional Sub-TLV > allocations: > > Sub-TLV 22 for Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB) > Sub-TLV 24 for Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS) Preference > > Thanks, > Acee > > From: Acee Lindem > Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 10:54 AM > To: IANA , Alvaro Retana > Cc: Christian Hopps , "lsr@ietf.org" > , "draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" > , Uma Chunduri > > Subject: Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS Extensions for Segment > Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt > > Hi Amanda, et al IANA, Alvaro, > > For a variety of reasons, we will not finish the subject draft by the > end of June when the IANA allocations expire. It has just completed WG > last call but there are many fastidious reviewers are in the path to > completion. Please extend the allocations and add any that were not in > the original early allocations. For example, we need the SRMS > Preference allocated in the TLV 242 registry ASAP since we have early > allocations to make in this registry. > > Thanks, > Acee From nobody Tue Jun 5 04:12:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170C6130FA2 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 04:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yUBSpS2Gj3jT for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 04:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81A80130F7E for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 04:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id u4-v6so2852842iof.2 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 04:12:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=opx5YNA0qnIYgOTfqKeUuDQD1dre5MFBNEoxUosU4PE=; b=BWBxYj/wcnUe/vYzw8NjPSpfG5pdJV7RUwDyuXcdkJpsTa8eCipO3pnKbVD3HzkOeA DwhZiNQZruDChbPvr+bpZcO2oc42fPwS3tQrfbNVJ96UxOTddP1hbsIFamVJYXVyqMy0 ualiuJd1+tq1lNzue7eQV39OhQ7rbRweHvCLjnst5YTHJaNX43hyf2pMh1o/jYYXkh+y yB42PV7sQV6sIZ48KEsFeZ0q7JfUkszuUR/1OEdJD7impq9uHFfM9HKOK0zgsoN8GkLJ tw/xF41zdJNaVl842vi/5M6/Wd3HRmnspmQiJe+vhGsKzXeJLyEroP/pJikW3cdrU8Nj On2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=opx5YNA0qnIYgOTfqKeUuDQD1dre5MFBNEoxUosU4PE=; b=iw7ZnLNuvcSxdP55k43BmOAqRag9hDFv+Oe9jnhNlVfPRD/b0siyHEnBYYv9k8o3Hg VhxY9w7VKrCnz2+MsQgXhFg5OkKPVvQV/oDZ2GXZXkkiydAOw7SKVSK7/vhCuGIqNGpp j/izjAk9qJVRIfotdOBrJKmYrMZSbiho9CoCOJK+QQgYVnwec9EE/BuN+R2pEMcHzLxe ZHDp6pmpKfdn2lvG7qXZhXUKxCjkzAGAkSahHNMQzNRluIpvvqWLNBYh6MFvnjTeYOfD AhdkLM1u/objL4j4zZ/RvUu+KCzw5lpCmsnomukx48l7uQ6HYGT+HVW/9uMPgu2DSfHC yJ3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3zNhzqP87bn1Pw0mRQNQ6xweVhIk9oegUoYn9YAb/smqH2PyDn x0dIqKEoo1GqZHCisha8dCg9GuJ2/n4pGd8HkPo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIUQI78AJrXENGdy0Z3Rv5rdbFbK2vwN3G7Kf0Uh+Sf/tUla5rW1wd24PQjzuvKcXydbB5pniJtXZonUxoKC9M= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:bbc3:: with SMTP id l186-v6mr253996iof.200.1528197124809; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 04:12:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:9802:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 04:12:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:42:03 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Stefano Previdi (IETF)" Cc: Jeff Tantsura , lsr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c567a7056de31ed5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:12:09 -0000 --000000000000c567a7056de31ed5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IETF) wrote: > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < > muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Jeff. Would be good to have this clarified in >> =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B >> draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have been >> stripped off, so including it again for the lsr list.. >> >> =E2=80=8BBoth RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that: >> >> The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any >> advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. >> >> Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs >> SHOULD be 30 seconds. >> >> However, both RFCs initially say that they only describe mechanisms for >> disseminating performance information and methods of measurements is >> outside their scope. >> >> Moreover, for a first time reader, it seems to suggest that the >> measurement interval and filter coefficient must be supported and >> configurable under the IGP. >> > > > No. This is not suggested in any form. > It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal with measurements > which means no recommendation is made. > > > In a system supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be >> implemented outside the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the informatio= n >> provided to them. >> >> Thoughts, especially from an implementation standpoint? >> > > > Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not measurements. > =E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients described = in the draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs SHOULD be 30 seconds.=E2=80=8B > If your question is related to configuration and implementation of > measurements, well it will not be addressed by this draft. > > We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp > protocol machinery. > =E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of the = draft belong to the IGP protocol machinery? Regards, Muthu > > s. > > > >> Regards. >> Muthu >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Tantsura >> wrote: >> >>> Muthu, >>> >>> LSR would be a more suitable list to post to, CCed. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jeff >>> >>> > On May 30, 2018, at 18:06, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < >>> muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Muthu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >> > --000000000000c567a7056de31ed5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=E2=80=8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IETF) <s@pre= vidi.net> wrote:


On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul = Mozhi Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Jeff. Would be good to have this c= larified in=C2=A0
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
= draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have been= stripped off, so including it again for the lsr list..

=E2=80=8BBoth = RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, = and any
=C2=A0= =C2=A0advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the de= fault measurement interval for all sub-TLVs
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SHOULD be 30 seconds.

However, both RFCs initially say = that they only describe mechanisms for disseminating performance informatio= n and methods of measurements is outside their scope.

Moreover, for a first time reader, it seems = to suggest that the measurement interval and filter coefficient must be sup= ported and configurable under the IGP.


No. This is not suggested in any form.
It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal with measurement= s which means no recommendation is made.


In a sys= tem supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be implemented outsi= de the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the information provided to them.<= /font>

Thoughts, especially fr= om an implementation standpoint?


Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not measurements= .

=E2=80=8B= How is the measurement interval and filter coefficients described in the dr= aft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8B=C2=A0= =C2=A0The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the default measurement in= terval for all sub-TLVs
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SHOULD be 30 seconds.= =E2= =80=8B
=C2=A0
If your question is re= lated to configuration and implementation of measurements, well it will not= be addressed by this draft.

We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp pr= otocol machinery.

=E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 o= f the draft belong to the IGP protocol machinery?
<= br>
Regards,
Muthu
=C2=A0<= /div>

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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:48:49 -0000 --000000000000eda09b056de3a1d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds reasonable to me.. Adding a clarification note in the draft would be useful, IMHO. Regards, Muthu On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Muthu, > > > > The Sections 5, 6 and 7 of these drafts are critical as it impacts the IG= P > protocol operation and stability though it is not an integral part of the > IGP protocol machinery. This functionality in a system, whether achieved = in > the IGP/measurement/some-other module, is an implementation specific aspe= ct. > > > > To answer your question, these aspects may be implemented outside the cor= e > IGP module and the IGPs simply flood these while satisfying the aspects > specified in the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Lsr *On Behalf Of *Muthu Arul Mozhi Peruma= l > *Sent:* 05 June 2018 16:42 > *To:* Stefano Previdi (IETF) > *Cc:* lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions > > > > > > =E2=80=8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B > > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IETF) > wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < > muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Jeff. Would be good to have this clarified in > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have been > stripped off, so including it again for the lsr list.. > > > > =E2=80=8BBoth RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that: > > > > The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any > > advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. > > > > Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs > > SHOULD be 30 seconds. > > > > However, both RFCs initially say that they only describe mechanisms for > disseminating performance information and methods of measurements is > outside their scope. > > > > Moreover, for a first time reader, it seems to suggest that the > measurement interval and filter coefficient must be supported and > configurable under the IGP. > > > > > > No. This is not suggested in any form. > > It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal with measurements > which means no recommendation is made. > > > > > > In a system supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be > implemented outside the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the information > provided to them. > > > > Thoughts, especially from an implementation standpoint? > > > > > > Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not measurements.. > > > > =E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients describe= d in the > draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B > > > > =E2=80=8B The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any > > advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. > > > > Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs > > SHOULD be 30 seconds.=E2=80=8B > > > > If your question is related to configuration and implementation of > measurements, well it will not be addressed by this draft. > > > > We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp > protocol machinery. > > > > =E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of th= e draft > belong to the IGP protocol machinery? > > > > Regards, > > Muthu > > > > > > s. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > Muthu > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > Muthu, > > LSR would be a more suitable list to post to, CCed. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > On May 30, 2018, at 18:06, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < > muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Muthu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > > --000000000000eda09b056de3a1d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds reasonable to me..

Adding a clarification note in the = draft would be useful, IMHO.

Regards,
Muthu

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Ketan T= alaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Muthu,

=C2=A0

The Sections 5, 6 and = 7 of these drafts are critical as it impacts the IGP protocol operation and= stability though it is not an integral part of the IGP protocol machinery. This functionality in a system, whether achiev= ed in the IGP/measurement/some-other module, is an implementation specific = aspect.

=C2=A0

To answer your questio= n, these aspects may be implemented outside the core IGP module and the IGP= s simply flood these while satisfying the aspects specified in the document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /span>

Ketan

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From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal
Sent: 05 June 2018 16:42
To: Stefano Previdi (IETF) <s@previdi.net>
Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions

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=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IET= F) <s@previdi.net= > wrote:

=C2=A0<= /p>

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perum= al <muthu.arul= @gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Jeff. Would be good to have this clarified in=C2=A0<= /u>

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B

draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have= been stripped off, so including it again for the lsr list..<= /span>

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BBoth RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and an= y

=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV.=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the default measurement interval for all su= b-TLVs

=C2=A0 =C2=A0SHOULD be 30 seconds.

=C2=A0

However, both RFCs initially say that they only describe mechanisms fo= r disseminating performance information and methods of measurements is outs= ide their scope.

=C2=A0

Moreover, for a first time reader, it seems to suggest that the measur= ement interval and filter coefficient must be supported and configurable un= der the IGP.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

No. This is not suggested in any form.=

It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal= with measurements which means no recommendation is made.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In a system supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be impl= emented outside the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the information provi= ded to them.

=C2=A0

Thoughts, especially from an implementation standpoint?<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not me= asurements..

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients descr= ibed in the draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8B=C2=A0 =C2=A0The measurement interval, any filter coefficient= s, and any

=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV.=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the default measurement interval for all su= b-TLVs

=C2=A0 =C2=A0SHOULD be 30 seconds.=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

If your question is related to configuration and imp= lementation of measurements, well it will not be addressed by this draft.

=C2=A0

We intentionally left out this part that does not be= long to the igp protocol machinery.

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of= the draft belong to the IGP protocol machinery?

=C2=A0

Regards,

Muthu

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=C2=A0

s.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards.

Muthu

=C2=A0

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Tantsura <= jefftant.ietf@= gmail.com> wrote:

Muthu,

LSR would be a more suitable list to post to, CCed.

Regards,
Jeff

> On May 30, 2018, at 18:06, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com> wr= ote:
>
> Muthu

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SMTP id e67-v6mr18208479itg.70.1528201311226; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 05:21:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:9802:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 05:21:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:51:50 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Cc: "Stefano Previdi (IETF)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , Jeff Tantsura Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004d112c056de418d1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 12:21:56 -0000 --0000000000004d112c056de418d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If these are only implementation specific aspects and shouldn't get into the draft, what is the point of sections 5,6,7? Why would it hurt to say what is generally expected to be part of the protocol machinery and what is not? BTW, any known implementation for RFC 7810, also supporting sections 5,6,7? Regards, Muthu On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Muthu, > > > > These are implementation specific aspects and I am not sure if this is > something that the draft should be getting into. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal > *Sent:* 05 June 2018 17:19 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Stefano Previdi (IETF) ; lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura > > > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions > > > > Sounds reasonable to me.. > > > > Adding a clarification note in the draft would be useful, IMHO. > > > > Regards, > > Muthu > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) < > ketant@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hi Muthu, > > > > The Sections 5, 6 and 7 of these drafts are critical as it impacts the IG= P > protocol operation and stability though it is not an integral part of the > IGP protocol machinery. This functionality in a system, whether achieved = in > the IGP/measurement/some-other module, is an implementation specific aspe= ct. > > > > To answer your question, these aspects may be implemented outside the cor= e > IGP module and the IGPs simply flood these while satisfying the aspects > specified in the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Lsr *On Behalf Of *Muthu Arul Mozhi Peruma= l > *Sent:* 05 June 2018 16:42 > *To:* Stefano Previdi (IETF) > *Cc:* lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions > > > > > > =E2=80=8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B > > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IETF) > wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < > muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Jeff. Would be good to have this clarified in > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have been > stripped off, so including it again for the lsr list.. > > > > =E2=80=8BBoth RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that: > > > > The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any > > advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. > > > > Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs > > SHOULD be 30 seconds. > > > > However, both RFCs initially say that they only describe mechanisms for > disseminating performance information and methods of measurements is > outside their scope. > > > > Moreover, for a first time reader, it seems to suggest that the > measurement interval and filter coefficient must be supported and > configurable under the IGP. > > > > > > No. This is not suggested in any form. > > It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal with measurements > which means no recommendation is made. > > > > > > In a system supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be > implemented outside the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the information > provided to them. > > > > Thoughts, especially from an implementation standpoint? > > > > > > Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not measurements.. > > > > =E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients describe= d in the > draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B > > > > =E2=80=8B The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any > > advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. > > > > Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs > > SHOULD be 30 seconds.=E2=80=8B > > > > If your question is related to configuration and implementation of > measurements, well it will not be addressed by this draft. > > > > We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp > protocol machinery. > > > > =E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of th= e draft > belong to the IGP protocol machinery? > > > > Regards, > > Muthu > > > > > > s. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > Muthu > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > Muthu, > > LSR would be a more suitable list to post to, CCed. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > On May 30, 2018, at 18:06, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < > muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Muthu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > > > > --0000000000004d112c056de418d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If these are only implementation specific aspects and should= n't get into the draft, what is the point of sections 5,6,7? Why would = it hurt to say what is generally expected to be part of the protocol machin= ery and what is not?

BTW, any known implementation= =C2=A0for RFC 7810, also supporting sections 5,6,7?

Regards,
Muthu

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Ketan Talaulikar = (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Muthu,

=C2=A0

These are implementation spec= ific aspects and I am not sure if this is something that the draft should b= e getting into.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /p>

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com>
Sent: 05 June 2018 17:19
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi (IETF) <s@previdi.net>; lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>


Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions

=C2=A0

Sounds = reasonable to me..

= =C2=A0

Adding = a clarification note in the draft would be useful, IMHO.

= =C2=A0

Regards= ,

Muthu

=C2=A0

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ke= tant) <ketant@cisc= o.com> wrote:

Hi Muthu,

=C2=A0

The Sections 5, 6 and 7 of th= ese drafts are critical as it impacts the IGP protocol operation and stability though it is not an integral part of the IGP protocol machin= ery. This functionality in a system, whether achieved in the IGP/measuremen= t/some-other module, is an implementation specific aspect.=

=C2=A0

To answer your question, thes= e aspects may be implemented outside the core IGP module and the IGPs simply flood these while satisfying the aspects specified in = the document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /p>

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal
Sent: 05 June 2018 16:42
To: Stefano Previdi (IETF) <s@previdi.net>
Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions

=C2=A0

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=E2=80= =8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IET= F) <s@previdi.net= > wrote:

=C2=A0

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perum= al <muthu.arul= @gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks,= Jeff. Would be good to have this clarified in=C2=A0

=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B

draft-g= insberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have been stripp= ed off, so including it again for the lsr list..

=C2=A0<= /span>

=E2=80= =8BBoth RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any<= /u>

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0SHOULD be 30 seconds.

=C2=A0

However= , both RFCs initially say that they only describe mechanisms for disseminat= ing performance information and methods of measurements is outside their scope.

=C2=A0

Moreove= r, for a first time reader, it seems to suggest that the measurement interv= al and filter coefficient must be supported and configurable under the IGP.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

No. This is not suggested in any form.=

It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal= with measurements which means no recommendation is made.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In a sy= stem supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be implemented outs= ide the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the information provided to them.

=C2=A0

Thought= s, especially from an implementation standpoint?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not me= asurements..

=C2=A0

=E2=80= =8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients described in the= draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

=E2=80= =8B=C2=A0 =C2=A0The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any<= /span>

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0SHOULD be 30 seconds.=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

If your question is related to configuration and imp= lementation of measurements, well it will not be addressed by this draft.

=C2=A0

We intentionally left out this part that does not be= long to the igp protocol machinery.

=C2=A0

=E2=80= =8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of the draft = belong to the IGP protocol machinery?

=C2=A0<= /span>

Regards= ,

Muthu

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0

s.

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Regards= .

Muthu

=C2=A0<= /span>

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Tantsura <= jefftant.ietf@= gmail.com> wrote:

Muthu,

LSR would be a more suitable list to post to, CCed.

Regards,
Jeff

> On May 30, 2018, at 18:06, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com> wr= ote:
>
> Muthu

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X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 12:42:49 -0000 > On Jun 5, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal = wrote: >=20 > If these are only implementation specific aspects and shouldn't get = into the draft, what is the point of sections 5,6,7? these sections describe the requirements implementations must address. = The way they address them is out of scope of the document. s. > Why would it hurt to say what is generally expected to be part of the = protocol machinery and what is not? >=20 > BTW, any known implementation for RFC 7810, also supporting sections = 5,6,7? >=20 > Regards, > Muthu >=20 > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = wrote: > Hi Muthu, >=20 > =20 >=20 > These are implementation specific aspects and I am not sure if this is = something that the draft should be getting into. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Ketan >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal =20 > Sent: 05 June 2018 17:19 > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > Cc: Stefano Previdi (IETF) ; lsr@ietf.org; Jeff = Tantsura >=20 >=20 > Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions >=20 > =20 >=20 > Sounds reasonable to me.. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Adding a clarification note in the draft would be useful, IMHO. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Muthu >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Muthu, >=20 > =20 >=20 > The Sections 5, 6 and 7 of these drafts are critical as it impacts the = IGP protocol operation and stability though it is not an integral part = of the IGP protocol machinery. This functionality in a system, whether = achieved in the IGP/measurement/some-other module, is an implementation = specific aspect. >=20 > =20 >=20 > To answer your question, these aspects may be implemented outside the = core IGP module and the IGPs simply flood these while satisfying the = aspects specified in the document. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Ketan >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal > Sent: 05 June 2018 16:42 > To: Stefano Previdi (IETF) > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura > Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=8BPlease see inline..=E2=80=8B >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM, Stefano Previdi (IETF) = wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, May 31, 2018, 6:15 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal = wrote: >=20 > Thanks, Jeff. Would be good to have this clarified in=20 >=20 > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B >=20 > draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis. My original message seems to have been = stripped off, so including it again for the lsr list.. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=8BBoth RFC 7810 and RFC 7471 say that: >=20 > =20 >=20 > The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any >=20 > advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs >=20 > SHOULD be 30 seconds. >=20 > =20 >=20 > However, both RFCs initially say that they only describe mechanisms = for disseminating performance information and methods of measurements is = outside their scope. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Moreover, for a first time reader, it seems to suggest that the = measurement interval and filter coefficient must be supported and = configurable under the IGP. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > No. This is not suggested in any form. >=20 > It is clearly indicated that the draft does not deal with measurements = which means no recommendation is made. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > In a system supporting multiple IGPs, I would expect that they be = implemented outside the IGP and the IGPs just disseminate the = information provided to them. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thoughts, especially from an implementation standpoint? >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Again, the draft is only about dissemination, not measurements.. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients = described in the draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B >=20 > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=8B The measurement interval, any filter coefficients, and any >=20 > advertisement intervals MUST be configurable per sub-TLV. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs >=20 > SHOULD be 30 seconds.=E2=80=8B >=20 > =20 >=20 > If your question is related to configuration and implementation of = measurements, well it will not be addressed by this draft. >=20 > =20 >=20 > We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp = protocol machinery. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of = the draft belong to the IGP protocol machinery? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Muthu >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > s. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards. >=20 > Muthu >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Tantsura = wrote: >=20 > Muthu, >=20 > LSR would be a more suitable list to post to, CCed. >=20 > Regards, > Jeff >=20 > > On May 30, 2018, at 18:06, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal = wrote: > >=20 > > Muthu >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Jun 5 08:58:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEE21310AD for ; 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Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a17:90a:8402:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:58:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nErYlPphs4oQEXx6lqHLZXTrxf4 Message-ID: To: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal Cc: "Stefano Previdi (IETF)" , lsr@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003419d9056de72035" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:58:52 -0000 --0000000000003419d9056de72035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=8BMuthu,=E2=80=8B > =E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients describe= d in the > draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B > =E2=80=8BIt is directly related. If you see the title of the section is: "Announcement Thresholds and Filters"=E2=80=8B So measurement interval does not intend to describe how often you actually measure ... it describes a time window where you report the value (which could consist of many measurements actually taken). We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp >> protocol machinery. >> > > =E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of th= e draft > belong to the IGP protocol machinery? > =E2=80=8BWhat draft are you talking about ? I was under impression that we = are discussing RFCs here. =E2=80=8BAll functionality from sections 5-7 aim to provide machinery to co= ntrol stability of protocol operation. It is one how you measure and this is not part of the RFCs. and completely different what and how you advertised derived values from those gathered by your measurements. Now keeping in mind that you do not advertise when you measure but only when you are allowed by protocol rules it should be easy to see the point which Stefano made above. =E2=80=8BThx, R. --0000000000003419d9056de72035 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and f= ilter coefficients described in the draft related to dissemination?=E2=80= =8B

=E2=80=8BIt is directly related. If you see the title of the sec= tion is: "Announcement Thresholds and Filters"=E2=80=8B

So measurement interval does no= t intend to describe how often you actually measure ... it describes a time= window where you report the value (which could consist of many measurement= s actually taken).=C2=A0

We intentionally left out this= part that does not belong to the igp protocol machinery.
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=E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities desc= ribed in sections 5, 6, 7 of the draft belong to the IGP protocol machinery= ?


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=E2=80=8BWhat draft are you talking about ? I was un= der impression that we are discussing RFCs here.=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BAll functionality from sections 5= -7 aim to provide machinery to control stability of protocol operation. It = is one how you measure and this is not part of the RFCs. and completely dif= ferent what and how you advertised derived values from those gathered by yo= ur measurements. Now keeping in mind that you do not advertise when you mea= sure but only when you are allowed by protocol rules it should be easy to s= ee the point which Stefano made above.=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BThx,
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--0000000000003419d9056de72035-- From nobody Tue Jun 5 11:08:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2DE129385; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.93 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.93 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bKKzbmX9sr7b; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.icann.org (smtp01.icann.org [192.0.46.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57D15126F72; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from request3.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp01.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82582E0597; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by request3.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 4782CC205D0; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: Nobody From: "Sabrina Tanamal via RT" Reply-To: iana-prot-param@iana.org In-Reply-To: <824e9f172e0e4d73bc4545b5889ce35b@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> References: <0B952820-E870-4A95-A323-C24D4D393DE9@cisco.com> <6F992B24-F2C5-48EB-AFA0-9E0039E3FAF9@cisco.com> <824e9f172e0e4d73bc4545b5889ce35b@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #1112484 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: sabrina.tanamal@icann.org CC: ginsberg@cisco.com, acee@cisco.com, draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, chopps@chopps.org, uma.chunduri@huawei.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:07:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] [IANA #1112484] RE: Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:07:59 -0000 Hi Les, The expiration date is set to expire one year from the date of allocation. Since we made the registrations yesterday, the expiration date is different from the others. If the document hasn't been approved for publication before the expiration date, we'll contact you to ask whether you need a one-year extension. Thanks, Sabrina On Mon Jun 04 23:02:29 2018, ginsberg@cisco.com wrote: > Sabrina - > > Thanx for completing this. > > Any reason why the last two codepoints > > > 22 Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB) (TEMPORARY - registered > > 2018- > > 06-04, expires 2019-06-04) [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > > extensions] > > > > 24 Segment Routing Mapping Server Preference (SRMS Preference) > > (TEMPORARY - registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-04) [draft- > > ietf- > > isis-segment-routing-extensions] > > expire on a different date from the others? > I hope this won’t matter as we have passed WG Last Call - but just in > case...??? > > Les > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sabrina Tanamal via RT > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 3:52 PM > > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; > > draft-ietf- > > isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; chopps@chopps.org; > > uma.chunduri@huawei.com; Acee Lindem (acee) > > Subject: [IANA #1109980] Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS > > Extensions for > > Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt > > > > Hi all, > > > > We've updated the expiration date for the following registrations: > > > > In the TLV Codepoints Registry: > > > > 149 Segment Identifier / Label Binding (TEMPORARY - registered > > 2016-06- > > 29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) n > > y > > n n [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] > > > > 150 Multi-Topology Segment Identifier / Label Binding (TEMPORARY - > > registered 2016-06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019- > > 06-29) > > n y n n [draft-ietf-isis-segment- > > routing- > > extensions] > > > > In the Sub-TLVs for TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, and 223 registry: > > > > 31 Adjacency Segment Identifier (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06- > > 29, > > extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) y y > > n > > y y y [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > > extensions] > > > > 32 LAN Adjacency Segment Identifier (TEMPORARY - registered 2016- > > 06-29, extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) y > > y > > n y y y [draft-ietf-isis-segment- > > routing- > > extensions] > > > > In the Sub-TLVs for TLVs 135, 235, 236, and 237 registry: > > > > 3 Prefix Segment Identifier (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, > > extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) y y > > y > > y [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] > > > > In the Sub-TLVs for TLV 242 registry: > > > > 2 Segment Routing Capability (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, > > extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) [draft-ietf- > > isis- > > segment-routing-extensions] > > > > 19 Segment Routing Algorithm (TEMPORARY - registered 2016-06-29, > > extension registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-29) [draft-ietf- > > isis- > > segment-routing-extensions] > > > > We've made the following early allocations: > > > > 22 Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB) (TEMPORARY - registered > > 2018- > > 06-04, expires 2019-06-04) [draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > > extensions] > > > > 24 Segment Routing Mapping Server Preference (SRMS Preference) > > (TEMPORARY - registered 2018-06-04, expires 2019-06-04) [draft- > > ietf- > > isis-segment-routing-extensions] > > > > Please see > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sabrina Tanamal > > Senior IANA Services Specialist > > > > On Tue May 15 17:12:25 2018, acee@cisco.com wrote: > > > Hi Amanda, et al, > > > > > > I just communicated with Les, one of the designated experts for the > > > IS-IS TLV 242 registry, and the draft requires two additional Sub- > > > TLV > > > allocations: > > > > > > Sub-TLV 22 for Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB) Sub-TLV 24 for > > > Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS) Preference > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Acee > > > > > > From: Acee Lindem > > > Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 10:54 AM > > > To: IANA , Alvaro Retana > > > Cc: Christian Hopps , "lsr@ietf.org" > > > , "draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > > > extensions@ietf.org" > > > , Uma Chunduri > > > > > > Subject: Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS Extensions for > > > Segment > > > Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt > > > > > > Hi Amanda, et al IANA, Alvaro, > > > > > > For a variety of reasons, we will not finish the subject draft by > > > the > > > end of June when the IANA allocations expire. It has just completed > > > WG > > > last call but there are many fastidious reviewers are in the path > > > to > > > completion. Please extend the allocations and add any that were not > > > in > > > the original early allocations. For example, we need the SRMS > > > Preference allocated in the TLV 242 registry ASAP since we have > > > early > > > allocations to make in this registry. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Acee > > > > > From nobody Tue Jun 5 18:26:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60072130E03 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewW5sosCwcks for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BF92130DFD for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id k17-v6so16049945ita.0 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iV8VvJhIpUVez4rJ4JfTdZjTaRbyElGGVMiO/UGY21E=; b=jV6y/JxndZSHnWtIiQWejzpOYqrFq1l+pxXpbtWZI26r2/BQjCump/RJ1xar3OVrTh h69qqygZmOxNV0OjskZtkAWuI6I2Wf1zkL9d1ql4cTNXvDuACqM1Y62BqRQI+4wO4ZIN ftcYngk2KeYpXTqwp7u32G3m3NvYsiBjVqO/TF8Lt8YetG3uJUY0bphQRJIWI0CvsS5B L5Mmf+kd1eHoqY//QY8XUV/66qBIxgKzbZRlvFd89IcByDElfUhitnWKXjDeIj6g+Zad ra7cJuz7o/3y5SAKLK/wPjQrD5UVTLT6JfIVJK4Ss+lvEjXRreI/u4d2lB0IH+XKnQUv udUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iV8VvJhIpUVez4rJ4JfTdZjTaRbyElGGVMiO/UGY21E=; b=CWIefom4EZZjShOhO8warXP1lGMcdNujXybgkagISNDzvKWafWoqPaLG+4ph7FEtUL xQzSzXeSNp9SiLes+59ZQtjwgyvZUO4abQat9R6zrqWJReng8PuohO/kh4saMKe84ACT L4nqe/acOhE5I3ZHINuNOBrBMtt+wg62WDAJgDL5E5NLC5Wx32J9rPJM/ZsdPv9obw2m C+WuwXm/A/pyYRFFbudrsrEj4LXii1latfPRBqoljGQT1vSsvyiNyQRaB3xeFPfB3mHW fIbWGRj5g5WMJdFcv8AMfbIH8E30xvV71WrQvv50p5ys4xwPss1RDladpDtpzefTVGPs wUUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3sZOxNKHwb4BcjDTJ3byi63+yi+2dB5LGRLbh2Eq1wIKFtzd0m OZnvU7Kgi0aWTkEt9xhxtLt60/2l4+fyQlKFO9A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIqPyScIA+yq5RJpzjrN+RQgUP2u5TnvNPHG0unchcjiSnv9AqRqfhYFr0C+UtWNd9wNZhWBC4vBje58x0FM4g= X-Received: by 2002:a24:1cc8:: with SMTP id c191-v6mr571652itc.139.1528248365676; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:26:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:9802:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:56:04 +0530 Message-ID: To: Robert Raszuk Cc: "Stefano Previdi (IETF)" , lsr@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f6ff27056def0cac" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 01:26:09 -0000 --000000000000f6ff27056def0cac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:28 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > =E2=80=8BMuthu,=E2=80=8B > > >> =E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coefficients describ= ed in the >> draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B >> > > =E2=80=8BIt is directly related. If you see the title of the section is: > "Announcement Thresholds and Filters"=E2=80=8B > > So measurement interval does not intend to describe how often you actuall= y > measure ... it describes a time window where you report the value (which > could consist of many measurements actually taken). > =E2=80=8BAre you saying measurement interval is a misnomer? The draft clear= ly distinguishes measurement interval from announcement interval: =E2=80=8B Additionally, the default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs SHOULD be 30 seconds. Announcements MUST also be able to be throttled using configurable inter-update throttle timers. The minimum announcement periodicity is 1 announcement per second. The default value SHOULD be set to 120 seconds.=E2=80=8B Yet, it claims measurements are outside its scope.. > We intentionally left out this part that does not belong to the igp >>> protocol machinery. >>> >> >> =E2=80=8BWhich of the functionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of t= he draft >> belong to the IGP protocol machinery? >> > > > =E2=80=8BWhat draft are you talking about ? I was under impression that w= e are > discussing RFCs here. > =E2=80=8BWell, both -:) I am referring to draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bi= s and I believe there is a chance to improve some text in RFC7810.. Regards, Muthu > > > =E2=80=8BAll functionality from sections 5-7 aim to provide machinery to = control > stability of protocol operation. It is one how you measure and this is no= t > part of the RFCs. and completely different what and how you advertised > derived values from those gathered by your measurements. Now keeping in > mind that you do not advertise when you measure but only when you are > allowed by protocol rules it should be easy to see the point which Stefan= o > made above. > > =E2=80=8BThx, > R. > > --000000000000f6ff27056def0cac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robert,

On Tue, = Jun 5, 2018 at 9:28 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
=E2=80=8BMut= hu,=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
=E2=80=8BHow is the measurement interval and filter coe= fficients described in the draft related to dissemination?=E2=80=8B<= /div>

=E2=80=8BIt is = directly related. If you see the title of the section is: "Announcemen= t Thresholds and Filters"=E2=80=8B

So measurement interval does n= ot intend to describe how often you actually measure ... it describes a tim= e window where you report the value (which could consist of many measuremen= ts actually taken).

=E2=80=8BAre you saying measurement interval is a= misnomer? The draft clearly distinguishes measurement interval from announ= cement interval:

=E2=80=8B=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, t= he default measurement interval for all sub-TLVs
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SHO= ULD be 30 seconds.

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Announcements MUST= also be able to be throttled using configurable
=C2=A0 =C2=A0int= er-update throttle timers.=C2=A0 The minimum announcement periodicity
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is 1 announcement per second.=C2=A0 The default value SHO= ULD be set to 120
=C2=A0 =C2=A0seconds.=E2=80=8B
<= div class=3D"gmail_default">
Ye= t, it claims measurements are outside its scope..


<= /div>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
We intentional= ly left out this part that does not belong to the igp protocol machinery.

=E2=80=8BWhich of the func= tionalities described in sections 5, 6, 7 of the draft belong to the IGP pr= otocol machinery?

=

=E2=80=8BWhat draft are you talking about ? I was und= er impression that we are discussing RFCs here.

=E2=80=8BWell, both -= :) I am referring to=C2=A0draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis and I believe = there is a chance to improve some text in RFC7810..

Regards,
Muthu
<= /div>
=C2=A0
=C2=A0<= /div>
=
=E2=80=8BAll functionality from sections 5-7 aim to provide machinery = to control stability of protocol operation. It is one how you measure and t= his is not part of the RFCs. and completely different what and how you adve= rtised derived values from those gathered by your measurements. Now keeping= in mind that you do not advertise when you measure but only when you are a= llowed by protocol rules it should be easy to see the point which Stefano m= ade above.=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BThx,
R.


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As defined in the draft: R-bit: RSVP-TE S-bit: Segment Routing Traffic Engineering F-bit: Loop Free Alternate X-bit: Flex-Algo Am I right, when I say: R-bit: For RSVP-TE on IPv6 and IPv4 networks. S-bit: For SR MPLS and SRv6-TE applications. I think a bit to be allocated for SRv6-TE applications? Not sure about RSVP-TE IPv6 case. If you please your opinion. Regards, Mahendra --000000000000114963056df328ec Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Authors,
<= div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">I seek few= clarifications on "Application Identifier bits".

As defined in th= e draft:

R-bit: RSVP-TE
S-bit: Segment Routing=C2=A0Traffic Engineering=C2=A0
F-bit: Loop Free Alternate
X-bit: Flex-Algo

<= pre class=3D"m_2334948528330543984m_1126900656083700125newpage" style=3D"wh= ite-space:pre-wrap;font-size:18.6667px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Am I right, when I say:
R-bit:=
 For RSVP-TE on IPv6 and IPv4 networks.=

S-bit: For SR MPLS and SRv6=
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I think a bit to be allocated for SRv6-TE applications?
Not sure about RSVP-TE IPv6 case.
If you please your opinion.
Regards,
Mahendra
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lsvr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt Hi All, Friday 8 June LSVR WG will have a 90 minute interim meeting to discuss the = updates/feedback/next-steps regarding drafts: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt and https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-keyupate-lsvr-applicability-01.txt The interim is scheduled for Friday 8 June, 4:30pm CET (=3D 7:30am PDT), us= ing Webex conference tool. Agenda, slides and other details will be shared on the datatracker interim = LSVR page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-lsvr-01/session/lsvr Webex details to be distributed soon in the LSVR WG email list Brgds, G/ -----Original Message----- From: Lsvr [mailto:lsvr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 01:40 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: lsvr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol Authors : Keyur Patel Acee Lindem Shawn Zandi Wim Henderickx Filename : draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-05-31 Abstract: Many Massively Scaled Data Centers (MSDCs) have converged on simplified layer 3 routing. Furthermore, requirements for operational simplicity have lead many of these MSDCs to converge on BGP as their single routing protocol for both their fabric routing and their Data Center Interconnect (DCI) routing. This document describes a solution which leverages BGP Link-State distribution and the Shortest Path First (SPF) algorithm similar to Internal Gateway Protocols (IGPs) such as OSPF. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please confirm about the new bit for SRv6-TE applications. We are working on this draft implementation. Regards, Mahendra On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 11:49 Mahend Negi wrote: > > Dear Authors, > I seek few clarifications on "Application Identifier bits". > > As defined in the draft: > > R-bit: RSVP-TE > S-bit: Segment Routing Traffic Engineering > > F-bit: Loop Free Alternate > X-bit: Flex-Algo > > > Am I right, when I say: > > R-bit: For RSVP-TE on IPv6 and IPv4 networks. > > S-bit: For SR MPLS and SRv6-TE applications. > > > I think a bit to be allocated for SRv6-TE applications? > > Not sure about RSVP-TE IPv6 case. > > If you please your opinion. > > > Regards, > > Mahendra > > --00000000000036ae32056e407c8d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Authors,
Could you please help me with the query.

Please confirm about the new bit for SRv6-TE = applications.
We are working on this draft implement= ation.

Regards,
Mahendra

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 11:49 Mahend Negi <mahend.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Authors,
I seek few clarifications on "Application Identifier bit= s".

As defined in the draft:

R-bit: RSVP-TE
S-bit: Segment Routing=C2=A0Traffic Engineering=C2=A0
F-bit=
: Loop Free Alternate
X-bit: Flex-Algo

Am I right, when I say:
R-bit: For RSVP-TE=
 on IPv6 and IPv4 networks.
S-bit: For SR MPLS=
 and SRv6-TE=C2=A0applications.

I think a bit to be allocated=
 for SRv6-TE applications?
Not sure about RSVP-TE IPv6 case.
If you please your opinion.<=
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Regards,<=
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Mahendr=
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[Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:18:23 -0000 --000000000000c66339056e629cc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, Are you aware of any IPR that applies to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 ? 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3611569470_2007314731 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Uma, =20 I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that has not been previously disclosed.=20 =20 Cheers, Jeff From: Lsr on behalf of Uma Chunduri Date: Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:18 To: Subject: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (S= hepherd write-up) =20 Dear All, =20 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to=20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 ?= =20 =20 Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs - as this was not noticed dur= ing/around WGLC. =20 =3D=3D=3D If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). =20 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. =20 If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. =3D=3D=3D =20 -- Uma C. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.o= rg https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr=20 --B_3611569470_2007314731 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Uma,

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I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that has not been pre= viously disclosed.

 

Cheers,

Jeff

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Da= te: Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:18
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=  

Dear All,

 

Are you aware of any= IPR that applies to 

 

Sending this email as suggested by L= SR chairs - as this was not noticed during/around WGLC.

=  

=3D=3D=3D

If so, has this IPR been = disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules 

(see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=

&n= bsp;

If you are listed as a document author or contributor pl= ease respond

to this email regardless of whether or not = you are aware of any

relevant IPR. *The response needs t= o be sent to the LSR WG mailing

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response has been= received from each author and contributor.

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If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an = author or

contributor, then please explicitly respond on= ly if you are aware of

any IPR that has not yet been dis= closed in conformance with IETF rules.

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MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3803949de3084418b7aab8a27febc2ad@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4EEDBF8D5B7DD1D6B4FAA9A8" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:15:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4EEDBF8D5B7DD1D6B4FAA9A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not aware of any IPR other than what has not been already disclosed. Thanks Ahmed On 6/11/18 1:50 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > I am not aware of any IPR other than what has already been disclosed. > > Les > > *From:*Lsr *On Behalf Of *Uma Chunduri > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2018 12:18 PM > *To:* lsr@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Lsr] IPR Poll on > draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up) > > Dear All, > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 > ? > > Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs - as this was not > noticed during/around WGLC. > > === > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond > > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any > > relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing > > list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a > > response has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or > > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > > any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > === > > -- > > Uma C. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --------------4EEDBF8D5B7DD1D6B4FAA9A8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I am not aware of any IPR other than what has not been already disclosed.

Thanks

Ahmed


On 6/11/18 1:50 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:

I am not aware of any IPR other than what has already been disclosed.

 

   Les

 

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Uma Chunduri
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 12:18 PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up)

 

Dear All,

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to 

 

Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs - as this was not noticed during/around WGLC.

 

===

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules 

(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond

to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any

relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing

list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a

response has been received from each author and contributor.

 

If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or

contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of

any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

===

 

--

Uma C.



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First, I would like to thank all the the authors and contributors on this document. I have few minor comments below and would be great if authors take a look at these. ===== A. I see few ID nits (comments and warnings). Please fix those. B. For the record: (as this would come up soon) : Currently there are 8 front page authors and please indicate why this document should be given exception w.r.t 5 co-authors norm, that is being followed in general. 1. Abstract & Section 1 a. "These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF)." I see more than LSR protocols e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-07 Also not sure if this statement is necessary. Please either correct or remove this. b. "Two types of segments are defined, Prefix segments and Adjacency segments." This document defines more than these two if you include Section 2.4 (SID/Label Binding TLV). Section 2 is much better where all types in this document are described as well as [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing] is referred for other types. In that sense the above statement looks incomplete/repetitive. 2. Section 2.1 a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP domain (when the L-flag is not set)." I see this is conflicting with what's been defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14, section 3.3 - "Within an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST advertise the same prefix with the same SID value." If you see otherwise please explain why? b. "A 4 octet index defining.." What happens to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits. Can you point (if any) references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls appropriate sections - is this is addressed there? c. "A Prefix-SID sub-TLV is associated to a prefix advertised by a node and MAY be present in any of the following TLVs:" Nit: Perhaps the list should include Section 2.5 too. 3. Section 2.2.1 a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..." Not sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What happens if native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this SID with out any encapsulation? Could you please clarify. 4. Section 2.2.2 a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can instead refer to section 2.2.1 5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1 Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple prefix-sids with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID value? -- Uma C. --000000000000eecead056e67c4af Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Authors,

draft-ietf-isis-segment-= routing-extensions-16 document as requested by LSR chairs.=C2=A0First, I would like to thank all the the authors and contributors on t= his document.
I have few minor comments below=C2=A0 and = would be great if authors take a look at these.


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=

A. I see few ID nits (comments and warn= ings). Please fix=C2=A0 those.

B. For the re= cord: (as this would come up soon) : Currently there are 8=C2=A0 front page= authors and please indicate why this document should be given exception w.= r.t 5 co-authors norm, that is being followed in general.


1. Abstract & Section 1<= /span>

=C2=A0 <= /p>

a.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 "These seg= ments are =C2=A0=C2=A0advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF)."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see more than= LSR protocols e.g. ht= tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-07=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Also not sure i= f this statement is necessary. Please either correct or remove this.

=C2=A0

b.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Two =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0types of segments are defined, Prefix segments and Adjacency =C2=A0=C2=A0segments."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document d= efines more than these two if you include Section 2.4 (SID/Label Binding TLV). Section 2 is much better <= span>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 where all types= in this document are described as well as=C2=A0=C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing] is referred for other types.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 In that sense t= he above statement looks incomplete/repetitive.

=C2=A0

=C2=A02. Section 2.1

=C2=A0

a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST =C2=A0=C2=A0be unique within a given IGP domain (when the L-flag is not set)."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see this is c= onflicting with what's been defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-= 14,

section 3.3 -

=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Wit= hin an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST advertise=C2=A0= =C2=A0the same prefix with the same S= ID value."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you see otherwise please explain why?

=C2=A0

b. "A 4 octet index defining.."

What happens=C2=A0 to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets= but the eventual label (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits.

Can you point (if any)=C2=A0 references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls appropriate sections -=C2=A0 is this is addressed there?

=C2=A0

c. "A Prefix-SID sub-TLV is associated to a prefix advertised by a node =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0and MAY be present in any of the following TLVs:"

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Nit: Perhaps the list should include Section 2.5 too.

=C2=A0

3. Section 2.2.1

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not= sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What happens if native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this S= ID with out any encapsulation? Could you please clarify.

=C2=A0=C2=A0

4. Section 2.2.2

=C2=A0

a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can instead refer to section 2.2.1


5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple pre= fix-sids with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID va= lue?=C2=A0
--
Uma C.
--000000000000eecead056e67c4af-- From nobody Mon Jun 11 19:44:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD89130DD3 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1ZnhWS-JtsN for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilfert.gredler.at (gilfert.gredler.at [87.106.222.165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B312130DD2 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.29.9.117] (26.124.146.82.ipv4.evonet.be [::ffff:82.146.124.26]) (AUTH: PLAIN hannes, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-GCM-SHA384) by gilfert.gredler.at with ESMTPSA; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 04:43:56 +0200 id 0000000003274162.000000005B1F336C.00002887 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E19AE0B5-2592-48E6-A506-4E4E69839546 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Hannes Gredler X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D60) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 04:43:53 +0200 Cc: lsr@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A9B2D7A-A60E-4548-9740-FC17B5F1B6BF@gredler.at> References: To: Uma Chunduri Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 02:44:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail-E19AE0B5-2592-48E6-A506-4E4E69839546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i am not aware of undisclosed IPR. > On 11.06.2018, at 21:18, Uma Chunduri wrote: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 ?= =20 >=20 > Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs - as this was not noticed du= ring/around WGLC. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any > relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing > list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a > response has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > -- > Uma C. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail-E19AE0B5-2592-48E6-A506-4E4E69839546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i am not aware of undisclos= ed IPR.

On 11.06.2018, at 21:18, Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
Dear All,

=
Are you aware of any IPR that applies to 

Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs= - as this was not noticed during/around WGLC.

=3D=3D= =3D
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR= rules 
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)= .

If you are listed as a document author or contrib= utor please respond
to this email regardless of whether or not you= are aware of any
relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to t= he LSR WG mailing
list.* The document will not advance to the next= stage until a
response has been received from each author and con= tributor.

If you are on the LSR WG email list but a= re not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly r= espond only if you are aware of
any IPR that has not yet been disc= losed in conformance with IETF rules.
=3D=3D=3D
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charset="UTF-8" I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR. s. On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 9:18 PM Uma Chunduri wrote: > Dear All, > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 > ? > > Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs - as this was not noticed > during/around WGLC. > > === > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any > relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing > list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a > response has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > === > > -- > Uma C. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --000000000000dc8830056e6cc133 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR.

s.


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 9:18 PM Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:57:59 -0000 In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, ther= e is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF is signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that= should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upo= n (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that L= INK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-r= ld-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thanks, Jeff > On Jun 11, 2018, at 22:05, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = wrote: >=20 > Uma =E2=80=93 > =20 > One item I forgot=E2=80=A6there are no meaningful nits. > Idnits reports: > =20 > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '100' on line 1009 > 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...' > =20 > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '199' on line 1009 > 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...' > =20 > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1000' on line 1010 > '[1000, 1099]...' > =20 > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1099' on line 1010 > '[1000, 1099]...' > =20 > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '500' on line 1011 > '[500, 599]...' > =20 > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '599' on line 1011 > '[500, 599]...' > =20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. = 'ISO10589' > =20 > The fact that idnits looks at everything enclosed in [] as a reference = does not mean the text requires revision. > Idnits also does not allow that a non-RFC document can be a normative = reference =E2=80=93 but clearly ISO 10589 is a normative reference. [jeff] indeed, we have used variety of non-RFC documents as normative = references in the past, this should be acceptable in this case. > =20 > Thanx. > =20 > Les > =20 > =20 > From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=20 > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:00 PM > To: Uma Chunduri >; = lsr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org = ; = lsr-chairs@ietf.org ; lsr-ads@ietf.org = > Subject: RE: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd = review comments > =20 > Uma =E2=80=93 > =20 > Thanx for the prompt review. > =20 > I have attached proposed diffs to address some of your comments. > =20 > Additional responses inline. > =20 > =20 > From: Uma Chunduri >=20= > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 6:27 PM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org = ; = lsr-chairs@ietf.org ; lsr-ads@ietf.org = > Subject: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd = review comments > =20 > Dear Authors, > =20 > I have done shepherd review of = draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 document as requested by = LSR chairs. First, I would like to thank all the the authors and = contributors on this document. > I have few minor comments below and would be great if authors take a = look at these. > =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =20 > A. I see few ID nits (comments and warnings). Please fix those. > B. For the record: (as this would come up soon) : Currently there are = 8 front page authors and please indicate why this document should be = given exception w.r.t 5 co-authors norm, that is being followed in = general. > =20 > [Les:] This will be addressed after discussion among the authors =E2=80=93= thanx for the reminder. J > =20 > 1. Abstract & Section 1 > =20 > a. > "These segments are advertised by the link-state routing = protocols (IS-IS and OSPF)." > =20 > I see more than LSR protocols e.g. = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-07 = > Also not sure if this statement is necessary. Please either correct = or remove this. > =20 > [Les:] The abstract and introduction state =E2=80=9Cwithin IGP = topologies=E2=80=9D. In that context I believe limiting the protocols = mentioned to IGPs is appropriate. > =20 > b. > "Two types of segments are defined, Prefix segments and = Adjacency segments." > =20 > This document defines more than these two if you include Section = 2.4 (SID/Label Binding TLV). Section 2 is much better > where all types in this document are described as well as = [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing] is referred for other types. > In that sense the above statement looks incomplete/repetitive. > =20 > [Les:] I have revised the text in this section =E2=80=93 see attached = diffs. > =20 > 2. Section 2.1 > =20 > a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP domain (when = the L-flag is not set)." > =20 > I see this is conflicting with what's been defined in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14 = , > section 3.3 - > "Within an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST = advertise the same prefix with the same SID value." > =20 > If you see otherwise please explain why? > =20 > [Les:] This is a misunderstanding on your part. > An anycast prefix may be advertised by multiple nodes, but the Prefix = SID associated with the prefix is the same regardless of which node = advertises it. So there is no contradiction/conflict here. > =20 > =20 > b. "A 4 octet index defining.." > What happens to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets = value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual = label (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits.=20 > Can you point (if any) references to = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls = = appropriate sections - is this is addressed there? > =20 > [Les:] See = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-14#sect= ion-2.4 = (emphasis added): > =20 > =E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I < size. If the index "I" does not satisfy the = previous > inequality, then the label cannot be calculated.=E2=80=9D > =20 > c. "A Prefix-SID sub-TLV is associated to a prefix advertised by a = node and MAY be present in any of the following TLVs:" > =20 > Nit: Perhaps the list should include Section 2.5 too. > [Les:] Added a reference to 2.5 as well. See attached diffs. Thanx. > =20 > 3. Section 2.2.1 > =20 > a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..." > =20 > Not sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What happens if = native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this SID with out any = encapsulation? Could you please clarify. > =20 > [Les:] When the packet is forwarded over the specified outgoing = interface it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 = encapsulation i.e., the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 = protocol.=20 > This does not mean that a new AFI specific header is imposed. > =20 > 4. Section 2.2.2 > =20 > a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can = instead refer to section 2.2.1 > =20 > =20 > [Les:] The text says: > =E2=80=9C where F, B, V, L, S and P flags are defined in Section = 2.2.1.=E2=80=9D > =20 > ??? > =20 > =20 > 5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1 > =20 > Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple prefix-sids = with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID value?=20= > =20 > [Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80=9D here. In order to have = algorithm specific forwarding entries we MUST have different SIDs for = each algorithm. A router will use the SID which matches the algorithm = associated with the forwarding entry. > =20 > Les > =20 > -- > Uma C. --Apple-Mail=_07490A6F-177E-4ACF-914B-655D3665D354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Uma,

Wrt = number of authors, if I recall correctly (I don=E2=80=99t have pointers = to the discussion anymore), given the lengths and involvement of the = authors currently on the front page, as an exception - both ospf and = isis sr drafts would keep the initial number of authors.

Thanks,
Jeff
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I would note the same but this is obviously with Chairs and responsible AD's discretion. Hi Les, Thank you and I am fine here. -- Uma C. On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Uma, > > Wrt number of authors, if I recall correctly (I don=E2=80=99t have pointe= rs to the > discussion anymore), given the lengths and involvement of the authors > currently on the front page, as an exception - both ospf and isis sr draf= ts > would keep the initial number of authors. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > On Jun 11, 2018, at 22:05, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > Uma =E2=80=93 > > One item I forgot=E2=80=A6there are no meaningful nits. > Idnits reports: > > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '100' on line 1009 > 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...' > > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '199' on line 1009 > 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...' > > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1000' on line 1010 > '[1000, 1099]...' > > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1099' on line 1010 > '[1000, 1099]...' > > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '500' on line 1011 > '[500, 599]...' > > -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '599' on line 1011 > '[500, 599]...' > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'ISO10589' > > The fact that idnits looks at everything enclosed in [] as a reference > does not mean the text requires revision. > Idnits also does not allow that a non-RFC document can be a normative > reference =E2=80=93 but clearly ISO 10589 is a normative reference. > > > [jeff] indeed, we have used variety of non-RFC documents as normative > references in the past, this should be acceptable in this case. > > > Thanx. > > Les > > > *From:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2018 10:00 PM > *To:* Uma Chunduri ; lsr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; l > sr-chairs@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd > review comments > > Uma =E2=80=93 > > Thanx for the prompt review. > > I have attached proposed diffs to address some of your comments. > > Additional responses inline. > > > *From:* Uma Chunduri > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2018 6:27 PM > *To:* lsr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; l > sr-chairs@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org > *Subject:* draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd > review comments > > Dear Authors, > > I have done shepherd review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensio= ns-16 > document as requested by LSR chairs. First, I would like to thank all the > the authors and contributors on this document. > I have few minor comments below and would be great if authors take a loo= k > at these. > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > A. I see few ID nits (comments and warnings). Please fix those. > B. For the record: (as this would come up soon) : Currently there are 8 > front page authors and please indicate why this document should be given > exception w.r.t 5 co-authors norm, that is being followed in general. > > *[Les:] This will be addressed after discussion among the authors =E2=80= =93 thanx > for the reminder. **J* > > 1. Abstract & Section 1 > > a. > "These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols > (IS-IS and OSPF)." > > I see more than LSR protocols e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/ > html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-07 > Also not sure if this statement is necessary. Please either correct or > remove this. > > *[Les:] The abstract and introduction state =E2=80=9Cwithin IGP topologie= s=E2=80=9D. In > that context I believe limiting the protocols mentioned to IGPs is > appropriate.* > > b. > "Two types of segments are defined, Prefix segments and Adjacency > segments." > > This document defines more than these two if you include Section 2.4 > (SID/Label Binding TLV). Section 2 is much better > where all types in this document are described as well as > [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing] is referred for other types. > In that sense the above statement looks incomplete/repetitive. > > *[Les:] I have revised the text in this section =E2=80=93 see attached di= ffs.* > > 2. Section 2.1 > > a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP domain (when the > L-flag is not set)." > > I see this is conflicting with what's been defined in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14, > section 3.3 - > "Within an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST > advertise the same prefix with the same SID value." > > If you see otherwise please explain why? > > *[Les:] This is a misunderstanding on your part.* > *An anycast prefix may be advertised by multiple nodes, but the Prefix SI= D > associated with the prefix is the same regardless of which node advertise= s > it. So there is no contradiction/conflict here.* > > > b. "A 4 octet index defining.." > What happens to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets > value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label > (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits. > Can you point (if any) references to https://tools.ietf.org/ > html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls appropriate sections - is > this is addressed there? > > *[Les:] > See https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-14= #section-2.4 > (emphasis > added):* > > *=E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I < size. If the index "I" does not satisfy the previou= s* > * inequality, **then the label cannot be calculated**.=E2=80=9D* > > c. "A Prefix-SID sub-TLV is associated to a prefix advertised by a node > and MAY be present in any of the following TLVs:" > > Nit: Perhaps the list should include Section 2.5 too. > *[Les:] Added a reference to 2.5 as well. See attached diffs. Thanx.* > > 3. Section 2.2.1 > > a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..." > > Not sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What happens if > native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this SID with out any encapsulation= ? > Could you please clarify. > > *[Les:] When the packet is forwarded over the specified outgoing interfac= e > it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 encapsulation i.e., > the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 protocol. * > *This does not mean that a new AFI specific header is imposed.* > > 4. Section 2.2.2 > > a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can instead > refer to section 2.2.1 > > > *[Les:] The text says:* > *=E2=80=9C where F, B, V, L, S and P flags are defined in Section 2.2.1.= =E2=80=9D* > > *???* > > > 5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1 > > Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple prefix-sids > with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID value? > > *[Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80=9D here. In order to have a= lgorithm specific > forwarding entries we MUST have different SIDs for each algorithm. A rout= er > will use the SID which matches the algorithm associated with the forwardi= ng > entry.* > > * Les* > > -- > Uma C. > > > --0000000000004427de056e75d148 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your response. I wo= uld note the same but this is obviously with Chairs and responsible AD'= s discretion.

Hi Les,

Tha= nk you and I am fine here.

--
Uma C.

On Tue, Jun 12,= 2018 at 10:14 AM, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant@gmail.com> wrote= :
Uma,

Wrt number of authors, if= I recall correctly (I don=E2=80=99t have pointers to the discussion anymor= e), given the lengths and involvement of the authors currently on the front= page, as an exception - both ospf and isis sr drafts would keep the initia= l number of authors.

Thanks,
Jeff
<= div>

On Jun 11, 201= 8, at 22:05, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

Uma =E2=80=93
=C2=A0<= /span>
One item I forgot=E2=80=A6ther= e are no meaningful nits.
Idnits reports:
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=C2=A0 -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn&#= 39;t: '199' on line 1009
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...'<= u>
=C2=A0=
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 '= [1000, 1099]...'
=C2=A0
=C2= =A0 -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1099' on li= ne 1010
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 '[1000, 1099]...'
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn'= t: '500' on line 1011
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 '[500, 599]...'
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=C2=A0 -- Looks like a reference, but= probably isn't: '599' on line 1011
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=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 -- Possible = downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'ISO10589'=
=C2=A0
The fact that idnits looks at ever= ything enclosed in [] as a reference does not mean the text requires revisi= on.
Idnits also = does not allow that a non-RFC document can be a normative reference =E2=80= =93 but clearly ISO 10589 is a normative reference.

[jeff] indeed, we have used variety of non-RFC doc= uments as=C2=A0normative references in the past, this should be acceptable = in this case.

<= u>
=C2=A0=
Thanx.
=C2=A0
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times= New Roman",serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les
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=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From:=C2=A0Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Monday, June 11, 2018 1= 0:00 PM
To:=C2=A0Uma Chunduri <umac.iet= f@gmail.com>;=C2=A0lsr@ietf.org
Cc:=C2=A0= draft-ietf-i= sis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org;=C2=A0lsr-chairs@ietf.org;=C2=A0lsr-ads@ietf= .org
Subject:=C2=A0RE: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extension= s-16 - Shepherd review comments
=C2=A0
Uma =E2=80=93
=C2=A0
Thanx f= or the prompt review.
=C2=A0
I h= ave attached proposed diffs to address some of your comments.=
=C2=A0
Additional responses inline.=
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
<= div style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;bord= er-left-color:blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt">
From:=C2=A0Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com>=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Monday, June 11, 2018 6:27 PM=
To:= =C2=A0lsr@ietf.org
Cc:=C2=A0draft-ietf-isis-segmen= t-routing-extensions@ietf.org;=C2=A0ls= r-chairs@ietf.org;=C2=A0lsr-ads@ietf.orgSubject:=C2=A0draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepher= d review comments
=C2=A0
Dear Authors,=
=C2=A0
I have done shepherd=C2=A0 review of= =C2=A0=C2=A0draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 document as = requested by LSR chairs.=C2=A0First, I would like to thank all the the auth= ors and contributors on this document.
I have few minor comments below=C2=A0 and would be great= if authors take a look at these.
=C2=A0
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0
A. I see few ID nits (comments and warnings). Please fix=C2=A0 those.<= /u>
B. For the record: (as this would come u= p soon) : Currently there are 8=C2=A0 front page authors and please indicat= e why this document should be given exception w.r.t 5 co-authors norm, that= is being followed in general.
=C2=A0
[Les:] This will be addressed after discussion among the author= s =E2=80=93 thanx for the reminder.=C2=A0J=
=C2=A0
1. Abstract & Section 1
=C2=A0
a.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 "These se= gments are =C2=A0=C2=A0advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-I= S and OSPF)."
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see more than LSR protocols e.g.<= span class=3D"m_-4484478493861370063Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-07=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Also not sure if this statement is ne= cessary. Please either correct or remove this.
=C2=A0
<= span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73= ,125)">[Les:] The abstract and introduction state =E2=80=9Cwithin IGP topol= ogies=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 In that context I believe limiting the protocols ment= ioned to IGPs is appropriate.
=C2=A0
b.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Two =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= types of segments are defined, Prefix segments and Adjacency =C2=A0=C2=A0se= gments."
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document defines more than these tw= o if you include Section 2.4 (SID/Label Binding TLV). Section 2 is much bet= ter
=C2=A0=C2=A0 where all types in t= his document are described as well as=C2=A0=C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-= routing] is referred for other types.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 In that sense the above statement looks incomplete/repet= itive.
=C2=A0
[Les:] I have revised the text in= this section =E2=80=93 see attached diffs.
=C2=A0
=C2=A02. Section 2.1
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a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST = =C2=A0=C2=A0be unique within a given IGP domain (when the L-flag is not set= )."
=C2=A0<= /div>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see this is conflicting with what's bee= n defined in=C2= =A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing= -14,
section 3.3 -
=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Within an anycast gr= oup, all routers in an SR domain MUST advertise=C2=A0=C2=A0the same prefix = with the same SID value."
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you see otherwise pl= ease explain why?
=C2=A0
[Les:] This is a misun= derstanding on your part.
An anycast prefix may be advertised by multiple nod= es, but the Prefix SID associated with the prefix is the same regardless of= which node advertises it. So there is no contradiction/conflict here.
=C2=A0
= =C2=A0
b. "A 4 octet index defining..&q= uot;
What happens=C2= =A0 to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets value? I am ask= ing this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label (SRGB offset + i= ndex) would be only 20 bits.=C2=A0
Can you point (if any)=C2=A0 references to=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls=C2=A0appropriate sections -=C2= =A0 is this is addressed there?
=C2=A0
= =C2=A0
=E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I < size. If the index "I" does n= ot satisfy the previous
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 inequality,=C2=A0then the label cannot be calculated.=E2= =80=9D
=C2=A0
c. "A Prefix-SID sub-TLV is associated to a pre= fix advertised by a node =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0and MAY be present in any of the= following TLVs:"
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Nit: Perhaps the li= st should include Section 2.5 too.
[Les:] Added a reference to 2.5 as well. See attac= hed diffs. Thanx.
=C2=A0
3. Section 2.2.1<= u>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..."
=C2=A0
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What hap= pens if native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this SID with out any encapsu= lation? Could you please clarify.
=C2=A0
[Les:] When the packet is forwarded over the specified outgo= ing interface it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 encapsul= ation i.e., the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 protocol.=C2=A0
This d= oes not mean that a new AFI specific header is imposed.
=C2=A0=C2=A0
4. Section 2.2.2
=C2=A0<= /u>
a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated an= d perhaps it can instead refer to section 2.2.1
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times= New Roman",serif">=C2=A0
=C2=A0
[Les:] The text says:
=E2=80= =9C where F, B, V, L, S and P flags are defined in Section 2.2.1.=E2=80=9D<= u>
=C2=A0
???
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
5.= Section 3.2 and Section 2.1
=C2=A0
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple prefix-si= ds with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID value?= =C2=A0
=C2=A0
[Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80=9D here= . In order to have algorithm specific forwarding entries we MUST have diffe= rent SIDs for each algorithm. A router will use the SID which matches the a= lgorithm associated with the forwarding entry.=
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Les
=C2=A0
--
Uma C.


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Are you sayin= g that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified= in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the l= imit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and= per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia -= BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, ther= e is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF i= s signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that= should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upo= n (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that L= INK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-r= ld-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:24:47 -0000 Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmati= c motivation. The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV = is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to si= gnal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be.=20 >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in bot= h IGP and BGP-LS encoding=20 seems to make little sense and only bring confusion (router/controller impl= ementers and network operators).=20 The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive co= nfusion)=20 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signalin= g of ELC TLV compared to option (2))=20 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more = complex as option (2)) I believe that option (2) is the best option: * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators=20 * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) =20 * easy to understand with no confusion * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capabilit= y which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you sayin= g that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified= in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the l= imit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and= per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia -= BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, ther= e is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF i= s signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that= should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upo= n (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that L= INK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-r= ld-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) =20 Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.or= g; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmati= c motivation. The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV = is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to si= gnal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be.=20 >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in bot= h IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring confusi= on (router/controller implementers and network operators).=20 The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive co= nfusion) 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signalin= g of ELC TLV compared to option (2)) 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more = complex as option (2)) I believe that option (2) is the best option: * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) * easy to understand with no confusion * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capabilit= y which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you sayin= g that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified= in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the l= imit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and= per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia -= BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, ther= e is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF i= s signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that= should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upo= n (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that L= INK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-r= ld-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1248aa8e-531c-4fed-1e64-08d5d10d7e61 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Jun 2018 09:10:22.6460 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB1812 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:10:31 -0000 It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]) are = signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS.=20 If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), then ne= xt, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean technolo= gical solution space. G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the others. = My only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV bu= t instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different enc= oding. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) =20 Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.or= g; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmati= c motivation. The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV = is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to si= gnal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be.=20 >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in bot= h IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring confusi= on (router/controller implementers and network operators).=20 The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive co= nfusion) 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signalin= g of ELC TLV compared to option (2)) 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more = complex as option (2)) I believe that option (2) is the best option: * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) * easy to understand with no confusion * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capabilit= y which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you sayin= g that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified= in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the l= imit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and= per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia -= BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, ther= e is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF i= s signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that= should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upo= n (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that L= INK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-r= ld-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Wed Jun 13 06:13:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B72130E29; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:13:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5QuMTLzQtcCC; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8470130E1F; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tops.chopps.org (47-50-69-38.static.klmz.mi.charter.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E0E463354; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:13:06 +0000 (UTC) References: <874lk2vx4n.fsf@chopps.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 From: Christian Hopps To: "lsr\@ietf.org" Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org, chopps@chopps.org, lsr-ads@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org In-reply-to: <874lk2vx4n.fsf@chopps.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:13:05 -0400 Message-ID: <8736xqhlsu.fsf@chopps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] IPR Poll [Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16] X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:13:13 -0000 Authors, The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware of any additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments that followed. I failed to ask again during this second WGLC. So... Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they are aware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related IPR: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd Thanks, Chris. Christian Hopps writes: > Hi Folks, > > We are starting a new 2 week WG last call on > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions/ > > as there have (*) been some changes to the document since our last WG last call last year. Here's the diff. > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-12&url2=draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 > > Will end Monday May 7th. > > Thanks, > Chris. > > (*) contrary to what you may have heard from folks at the mic in London. :) From nobody Wed Jun 13 06:37:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90B6130E29; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y-tZXNtV2drK; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A177F12F18C; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tops.chopps.org (47-50-69-38.static.klmz.mi.charter.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25A7D63354; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:37:46 +0000 (UTC) User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 From: Christian Hopps To: "lsr\@ietf.org" Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org, lsr-ads@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd. X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:37:50 -0000 [Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks Bruno!] Authors, The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware of any additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments that followed. Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they are aware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related IPR: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd Thanks, Chris. 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Thread-Index: AQHUAxu5VUi9RPXIjUKAJLfOaprpX6ReOL9w Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:05:47 +0000 Message-ID: <76c78846ebf24901a1afc6504cfaf258@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> References: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> In-Reply-To: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.52.209] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd. X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:07:17 -0000 I am not aware of any IPR (new, old, borrowed, or blue) related to this doc= ument. Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:38 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org; lsr- > chairs@ietf.org > Subject: IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd. >=20 > [Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks Bruno!] >=20 > Authors, >=20 > The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware of an= y > additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments tha= t > followed. >=20 > Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they are= aware > of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related IPR: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-i= sis- > segment-routing-msd >=20 > Thanks, > Chris. From nobody Wed Jun 13 08:42:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3E51294D0; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uo_OwyNhq40Z; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47811127148; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:42:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8155; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1528904548; x=1530114148; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=7rq9vIVRzT2M9yHEVvzHr8PWJ1BWhxnyNjrMLznMD18=; b=DfHPbo35BXZ5KJaveaQQDvFRnhNW9eSR8PQDxy6gvLZUvFmFHJQquAb6 D1vyhs5Z2kf9clKvEBbzFchJ3USBQmDVvaEuuFmTU/XDQmzCDFtuOxZ6D QGKIxrEqgqg/xhLWOQfblI1dFPDHO8liKlscPrhbWTSCRhB5EYlyFuPdp 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C8AAATOyFb/5pdJa1dGQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQcBAQEBAYNIYn8oCotzjGmBf5RpgXgLGA2ERwKCNyE0GAECAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAm0cDIUoAQEBAQMBATg0FwQCAQgRBAEBHwkHJwsUCQgBAQQBEggTgwmBfw+?= =?us-ascii?q?uPIN6AYRMgWiIS4FUP4EPgg5+gxEBAQIBARaBIIV8ApkKCQKFcoh/gUdBgz2?= =?us-ascii?q?Hd4drgh+HDAIREwGBJB04gVJwFRohgkMJiwiFCAE1b4xjgS2BGgEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.51,219,1526342400"; d="scan'208";a="128672234" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 Jun 2018 15:42:15 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com (xch-aln-010.cisco.com [173.36.7.20]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w5DFgF8K003226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:42:15 GMT Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:42:14 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:42:14 -0500 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" To: "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , "idr@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Thread-Index: AdQCVS4zJNJrYGL7RvyJWFnJWJ9mLgAhqsxQAAPpAwAAAcpz8AAATSsgAA3381A= Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:42:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <741c5584debc4bc7821292de52f8d6c4@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> <5c494d4e76cf4fa1adcb695f4ee4b59e@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.52.209] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:42:32 -0000 Gunter - I strongly support Option #2 and strongly support Ketan's recommendation th= at an MSD sub-type be used to advertise ERLD. This is the unified framework that the MSD advertisement has been designed = to support. The following documents provide a unified definition of this mechanism: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ (The last one needs a refresh.) If we can update the related ERLD documents to align I think we will have a= n excellent solution. (Note: in the case of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-= ls-segment-routing-rld/ perhaps that can be combined with https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ - but I leave t= hat to the respective authors to work out.) Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia > - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 2:10 AM > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.= org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]) ar= e > signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS. >=20 > If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), then > next, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean > technological solution space. >=20 > G/ >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 > To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > Hi Gunter, >=20 > In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the others= . My > only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV but > instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different enc= oding. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > > Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.= org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of > pragmatic motivation. >=20 > The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TL= V > is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to = signal > separately, as it just make things more complex then should be. >=20 > >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in = both > IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring > confusion (router/controller implementers and network operators). >=20 > The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: > 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive > confusion) > 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP > 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signal= ing of > ELC TLV compared to option (2)) > 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much mor= e > complex as option (2)) >=20 > I believe that option (2) is the best option: > * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators > * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) > * easy to understand with no confusion > * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 >=20 > G/ >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 > To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > Hi Gunter, >=20 > The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capabil= ity > which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you sayin= g that > ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? >=20 > IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specifi= ed in > the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the lim= it. > This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and per > ingress link/LC level. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia > - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 > To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: > * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc > * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc >=20 > When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, th= ere > is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. >=20 > BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF= is > signaling individually ELC and RLD >=20 > I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency > that should be addressed: > * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided u= pon > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) > * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? > * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that > LINK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) >=20 > G/ >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.t= xt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS > Authors : Gunter Van de Velde > Wim Henderickx > Matthew Bocci > Keyur Patel > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt > Pages : 6 > Date : 2018-06-12 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to > expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a > centralised controller (PCE/SDN). >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rl= d/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi= ng- > rld-02 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld- > 02 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Wed Jun 13 10:31:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DC2130E6C; 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[67.180.14.36]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b22-v6sm4693901pfi.144.2018.06.13.10.31.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.c.0.180410 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:31:10 -0700 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Christian Hopps , "lsr@ietf.org" CC: , , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd. References: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> In-Reply-To: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd. X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:31:19 -0000 Chris, I'm not aware of any IPR outside of that already disclosed. Thanks, Jeff=20 Cheers, Jeff =EF=BB=BFOn 6/13/18, 06:37, "Christian Hopps" wrote: [Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks Bruno!] =20 Authors, =20 The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware of = any additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments th= at followed. =20 Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they a= re aware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related IPR: =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-isi= s-segment-routing-msd =20 Thanks, Chris. =20 From nobody Wed Jun 13 14:09:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0000130DFC; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2nRXODJTfM0; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x233.google.com (mail-pg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5D65130DF1; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x233.google.com with SMTP id z1-v6so1848559pgv.12; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0a3eHBeBJZ1K9UGD5A6/t1Wf/DfcwsSb9/H9nGTOWqg=; b=Ntxtu6H7xmm+xH5hVK+uk1xxMAnNXV9UvSBZ+A/fb5ka7VeD10fI3/2+L7C9TZPjMX 86w/bBAnBKtODpG50pkNc8T5e9KVItmPFU/Ap9roVnfeo3d4nj5vBOGsc/kFKjjRbHLU Aw+53+CbwtJpDDzG2aUoFFM6jsOL1cb96MNN+cOw4W7FD28vtlg/t0wmqMLStdp5ajV4 5+OyI5W0utioGEQih488BA0f8C4PK+n8TmnquMnyU0Zn/G6iAwNmz7ZJaYJp12G3Vor6 hmuxClkKhLXd+xVusEjGT8RWCiXrxwgCwsXg4rs0ZipzhBgG9YLOvpamCuCIIlZWYfqn /zyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id :thread-topic:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0a3eHBeBJZ1K9UGD5A6/t1Wf/DfcwsSb9/H9nGTOWqg=; b=cZwAHGBuVSqviTRMigwfIyaeTPNDXsvxBbAvplEjZf51g3tpL9rIiZSX/HfKDirqZD 4jeBSBGBfTeDnYIJFMA94qBkgl2swLGQmAnwajtggFnBhpefSmwBalFBfSnnXQInELCx OaiFNi7XQh48QKVVfpPwTlogSDkdijd6neCPJAkbi1RYEFA7C2NH5OfCz8Ie2hn5vLpT K2e3NOUJktXfBSfpACFs8mNvwJ8gfGQLISCfG3LF/Jiqc31ugL579O5M/Ksix6c6QLyZ L41PDL9JB9bJzT9Y/oC6qU69C+451VZWvxtoQ9RChUTVIX6NyaBaS8Pdbi+eKT96wet9 rJwA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1JWMMByD2kRqzKrRpUlkmJYKcx0srD+kSPKU5JWe0SoyL/tjsF B3uvwUriu/ueYrU1CpNr3D4pxw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLCjvRSUrLAZlZveGKurzy3LuMRYrZfL6FXzhz4GxTF6TP4mF3BjHAbPYqy5n8xUITYJAsPgw== X-Received: by 2002:a63:7b03:: with SMTP id w3-v6mr5536749pgc.52.1528924166418; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.11.13.172] ([66.201.62.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n10-v6sm6558948pfb.27.2018.06.13.14.09.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.c.0.180410 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:09:22 -0700 From: Jeff Tantsura To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , "idr@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Message-ID: <18BFE8FF-4DEA-43A2-9262-8649D1A1692D@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:09:30 -0000 Gunter, I have nothing to add to Les' comments, 100% agree. Cheers, Jeff =EF=BB=BFOn 6/13/18, 08:42, "Idr on behalf of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" wrote: Gunter - =20 I strongly support Option #2 and strongly support Ketan's recommendatio= n that an MSD sub-type be used to advertise ERLD. This is the unified framework that the MSD advertisement has been desig= ned to support. =20 The following documents provide a unified definition of this mechanism: =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-= msd/ =20 (The last one needs a refresh.) =20 If we can update the related ERLD documents to align I think we will ha= ve an excellent solution. =20 (Note: in the case of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-= bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ perhaps that can be combined with https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ - but I leave= that to the respective authors to work out.) =20 Les =20 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (N= okia > - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 2:10 AM > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@i= etf.org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]= ) are > signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS. >=20 > If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), t= hen > next, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean > technological solution space. >=20 > G/ >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 > To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > Hi Gunter, >=20 > In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the ot= hers. My > only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV= but > instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different= encoding. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > > Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@i= etf.org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of > pragmatic motivation. >=20 > The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERL= D TLV > is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason= to signal > separately, as it just make things more complex then should be. >=20 > >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different,= in both > IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring > confusion (router/controller implementers and network operators). >=20 > The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: > 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create mass= ive > confusion) > 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP > 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit si= gnaling of > ELC TLV compared to option (2)) > 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much= more > complex as option (2)) >=20 > I believe that option (2) is the best option: > * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators > * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) > * easy to understand with no confusion > * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 >=20 > G/ >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 > To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > spring@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > Hi Gunter, >=20 > The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a cap= ability > which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you s= aying that > ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? >=20 > IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as spe= cified in > the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the= limit. > This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and= per > ingress link/LC level. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (N= okia > - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 > To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) >=20 > In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: > * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc > * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc >=20 > When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller= , there > is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. >=20 > BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/= OSPF is > signaling individually ELC and RLD >=20 > I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistenc= y > that should be addressed: > * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decid= ed upon > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) > * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? > * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume = that > LINK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) >=20 > G/ >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-= 02.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts di= rectories. > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS > Authors : Gunter Van de Velde > Wim Henderickx > Matthew Bocci > Keyur Patel > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt > Pages : 6 > Date : 2018-06-12 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to > expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to = a > centralised controller (PCE/SDN). >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routin= g-rld/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld= -02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-r= outing- > rld-02 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi= ng-rld- > 02 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of sub= mission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr =20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr =20 From nobody Wed Jun 13 15:05:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89901130E97; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:05:10 -0000 Hi, As defined in draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label, advertising an ERLD mea= ns that the node is defacto ELC (so advertising ELC separately is not neces= sary): " The Entropy Readable Label Depth (ERLD) is defined as the number of labels a router can both: a. Read in an MPLS packet received on its incoming interface(s) (starting from the top of the stack). b. Use in its load-balancing function. The ERLD means that the router will perform load-balancing using the EL label if the EL is placed within the ERLD first labels. " " To advertise an ERLD value, a SPRING router: o MUST be entropy label capable and, as a consequence, MUST apply the dataplane procedures defined in [RFC6790]. o MUST be able to read an ELI/EL which is located within its ERLD value. o MUST take into account this EL in its load-balancing function. " Brgds, -----Original Message----- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (= Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:10 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]) are = signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS.=20 If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), then ne= xt, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean technolo= gical solution space. G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the others. = My only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV bu= t instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different enc= oding. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) =20 Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.or= g; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmati= c motivation. The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV = is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to si= gnal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be.=20 >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in bo= th IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring confus= ion (router/controller implementers and network operators).=20 The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive co= nfusion) 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signalin= g of ELC TLV compared to option (2)) 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more = complex as option (2)) I believe that option (2) is the best option: * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) * easy to understand with no confusion * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capabilit= y which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you sayin= g that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified= in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the l= imit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and= per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia -= BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, ther= e is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF i= s signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that= should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upo= n (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that L= INK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-r= ld-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 18:10:47 -0000 --0000000000005b0fba056e9e0411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR against this draft, which was not already disclosed. Ssm On Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 10:31 AM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Chris, > > I'm not aware of any IPR outside of that already disclosed. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > Cheers, > Jeff > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/13/18, 06:37, "Christian Hopps" wrote: > > [Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks Bruno!] > > Authors, > > The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware o= f > any additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments > that followed. > > Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they > are aware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related I= PR: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-i= sis-segment-routing-msd > > Thanks, > Chris. > > > > --0000000000005b0fba056e9e0411 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any IPR against this draft, which = was not already disclosed.

Ssm

On W= ed, Jun 13, 2018, 10:31 AM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris,

I'm not aware of any IPR outside of that already disclosed.

Thanks,
Jeff

Cheers,
Jeff
=EF=BB=BFOn 6/13/18, 06:37, "Christian Hopps" <chopps@chopps.or= g> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks= Bruno!]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were= aware of any additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of = comments that followed.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating= if they are aware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared re= lated IPR:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3D= draft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chris.



--0000000000005b0fba056e9e0411-- From nobody Fri Jun 15 07:49:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F5A130EF8; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zqcChsQSOt2W; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBCA5130EF4; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=868; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1529074151; x=1530283751; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=dgoCYvSMrBkLbDGPaztfLiJog2TlFKKt8vnA+bRqWLA=; b=P5a9gkFFj6bnpFTURak8kDKZKXGL/VWuAolqCsXjkz/cUg3/j3rCn+JC MUQ57HAvhGRFgFrZkYeCxMBuLWgkFOzsydnCu0gOrpInt/C8+1j/y8UB4 Ba5ntlR1megaBv4jfDs3ai2xHjur3UfNafkJ0lN9Q+0ibl3V8/+3RGe29 o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CYAQAb0SNb/4kNJK1bGQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQcBAQEBAYNIYn8oCphFgX+Ub4F4CxgLhEkCglIhNRcBAgEBAQEBAQJ?= =?us-ascii?q?tHAyFKAEBAQQBARsdNAsMBAIBCA4DBAEBHxAnCx0IAgQBDQUIgxyBfw+rY4h?= =?us-ascii?q?GgWMFiEyBVD+EG4MTAQEDAYcyApkOCQKFd4kAgUeEAId5ig2HDQIREwGBJB4?= =?us-ascii?q?BNoFScBU7gkOLEYU+b48/gRoBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.51,227,1526342400"; d="scan'208";a="130156780" Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 15 Jun 2018 14:49:10 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (xch-aln-005.cisco.com [173.36.7.15]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w5FEnACi026001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:49:10 GMT Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) by XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (173.36.7.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:49:09 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:49:09 -0500 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" To: Christian Hopps , "lsr@ietf.org" CC: "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" , "lsr-ads@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00 Thread-Index: AQHT8qrGJqItV2jLOk6/uKLGp9vNZ6RhijtQ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: <45c18832cc9143f9b6fff0c1da4b742c@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> References: <87y3gatmql.fsf@chopps.org> In-Reply-To: <87y3gatmql.fsf@chopps.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.88.43] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:49:14 -0000 WG chairs - Can we consider WG last call completed? (It has been more than 3 weeks...) Would really like to get this small but important correction published ASAP= . Thanx. Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:29 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-chairs@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org; chopps@chopps.org > Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00 >=20 > Hi Folks, >=20 > We're starting a 2 week WG Last Call on >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ >=20 > Please raise any objections or comments before Jun 6th, 2018. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Fri Jun 15 09:21:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328D9130F49; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X9X0kt4pXWEe; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x242.google.com (mail-vk0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F1F6130F3F; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x242.google.com with SMTP id x4-v6so5980911vkx.11; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Nq8tV291XwwTWncWrftgkxAnz7EUsOwJuBhPzIcP7R8=; b=KxM05LnoMYO9mfdZt8EqLeTGdknKjhlOZmn19JFIxwVT4DLiFnOvd3gYxwZSqkUbIz uGX51XhRtHD1WzVTq9Ir2EjHZVDXIqDSTaW3Sk+MuoobLMlZ/vsuWC9+6LKVZJPcjOD9 EYVIM/UezkP6zn9kLdke8svR1Z4p1nlULcFPEB7RcgMYWYYM4DpuND3aEd6REEuRIu3F vP8wYDMu6x1wHhPr+cYJLV/e14okM0TnHpQKZXHgqvRwdAdKuilmtmgH+huXayJqhQvi +JUv6cj9cX4PznnTU1+JqocsIAf7Cc/N+owq7qyUYbSOD/sI+0ZxH6vUmeCT27Bx68DA paIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Nq8tV291XwwTWncWrftgkxAnz7EUsOwJuBhPzIcP7R8=; b=jjhxtywKQanzBska9xSWTiq3dyxF1ctWtwQratVzsRFwgcG/G3WHen9mP6fJLYn4se 4o+n7+40IvVJiss04wK10pjBQTVTn+QnK64mjeA01pRwl4zNHtINd3m8cpAus9Usp/jQ vQaAu9fdfQThgzwoJYEbIRfB+vh0zns7uhysl6iU5ZLARZUKIbOjDO1fFiee99EQ/1pU VteaWYncwVYKMrV7FMHDijMuAaAdpsGDN595DECp+aUp2ZqN3s3QokPXBfd81dCfolWs yPRdRDtK6aBvP+qwmwO1VE0rN6S7KQ2O+/OEZjZ1xW0H+hmL+X0ZW2a67K/BhVQ79+HM bqFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0V+aLEdunHFC6nULUFmKh4M1ksy0mAnRu7DiN27oaT4YgBpZWb MDsijEmoY2R4ywA0yYUpASnos6T08frkNld/zXs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKx41ZQr+6+EbrqItLdgra5GXFEQ8ihgf5D5MpLqh6Uv/hBK8Q3jb52IVEzNEcaX/Ow7WvxCsW+Q6aCyJv5A6M= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:2758:: with SMTP id n85-v6mr1354998vkn.117.1529079670146; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:207:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Uma Chunduri Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" , "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" , "lsr-ads@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000928cc3056eb09af3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:21:22 -0000 --000000000000928cc3056eb09af3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Les, Co-authors and WG, Though there is a scope for minor improvements in the text, I am fine if you choose not to update further - based on the responses below. I have no further comments and initial version of the write-up has been updated. BR, -- Uma C. On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) < ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote: > Uma =E2=80=93 > > > > Responses inline. > > > > *From:* Uma Chunduri > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:09 AM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Cc:* lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; > lsr-chairs@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd > review comments > > > > Les, > > > > Thanks for your quick response and changes in the document. Please find m= y > further response below* [Uma]:* > > > > -- > > Uma C. > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) < > ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote: > > Uma =E2=80=93 > > > > Thanx for the prompt review. > > > > 2. Section 2.1 > > > > a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP domain (when the > L-flag is not set)." > > > > I see this is conflicting with what's been defined in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14, > > section 3.3 - > > "Within an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST > advertise the same prefix with the same SID value." > > > > If you see otherwise please explain why? > > > > *[Les:] This is a misunderstanding on your part.* > > *An anycast prefix may be advertised by multiple nodes, but the Prefix SI= D > associated with the prefix is the same regardless of which node advertise= s > it. So there is no contradiction/conflict here.* > > > > > > *[Uma]: I understood the intention.* > > > > *This doc says - **"The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP > domain (when the L-flag is not set)." * > > *And it won't give any exception for "anycast group" either in the text o= r > through reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14 > .* > > > > > > *[Les:] If both Node A and Node B advertise (1.1.1.1/32 > , SID 100) this is NOT a conflict. This is expected > behavior for an anycast address.* > > > > *Examples of conflicts:* > > > > *Node A (1.1.1.1/32 , SID 100)* > > *Node B (1.1.1.1/32 , SID 200)* > > *(Different SIDs for the same prefix)* > > > > *Node A (1.1.1.1/32 , SID 100)* > > *Node B (2.2.2.2/32 , SID 100)* > > *(Same SID for different prefixes)* > > > > > > b. "A 4 octet index defining.." > > What happens to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets > value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label > (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits. > > Can you point (if any) references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls appropriate sections - is this is > addressed there? > > > > *[Les:] See > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-14#sec= tion-2.4 > > (emphasis added):* > > > > *=E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I < size. If the index "I" does not satisfy the previou= s* > > * inequality, **then the label cannot be calculated**.=E2=80=9D* > > > > *[Uma]: Thanks for the pointer. I am fine with keeping this at a common > place but this document needs a generic reference specifically for some = of > the conflict/error conditions to that.* > > > > *[Les:] WE have deliberately kept any discussion of handling of conflicts > (now identified as =E2=80=9Ccollisions=E2=80=9D) out of the IGP drafts. = Please see > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-14#sec= tion-2.5 > > for discussion of this topic =E2=80=93 which is not protocol specific.* > > > > > > 3. Section 2.2.1 > > > > a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..." > > > > Not sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What happens if > native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this SID with out any encapsulation= ? > Could you please clarify. > > > > *[Les:] When the packet is forwarded over the specified outgoing interfac= e > it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 encapsulation i.e., > the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 protocol. * > > *This does not mean that a new AFI specific header is imposed.* > > > > > > *[Uma]: Thanks. I didn't expect payload encapsulation with L3 in IS-IS > document. I see this is derived from the base TLV where this sub-TLV > belongs to (22/222/223 etc.). This sounded like additional encap and henc= e > my comment.* > > > > *But one of my larger point here is why a sub-TLV has to specify/define > AF. This is the property of the associated TLV/MT-aware TLV.* > > *I understand this could be too late to change here but this additional > information should not conflict with base while usage. * > > *One incorrect usage *example* of this sub-TLV with AF unset (IPv4) in TL= V > 222 with MT-ID=3D2 (IPv6).* > > > > *As it stands this combinations valid/allowed. Perhaps some text around > this would be helpful.* > > > > *[Les:] Consider the case of single topology IPv6 support. Here, a single > IS Neighbor advertisement is used in support of IPv4 and IPv6. The > indication of which SID is used for which address-family is therefore > required.* > > *Although it is a common practice to have a 1-1 mapping between topologie= s > and address-families, this is not required. 1-1 mapping is commonly > assumed because of the reserved MTIDs defined in RFC 5120, but a single > topology may be used to support multiple address families. MTID 0 support > for IPv6 is the most common example.* > > > > > > 4. Section 2.2.2 > > > > a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can instead > refer to section 2.2.1 > > > > > > *[Les:] The text says:* > > *=E2=80=9C where F, B, V, L, S and P flags are defined in Section 2.2.1.= =E2=80=9D* > > > > *???* > > > > *[Uma]: Sorry - I should have been more specific. Was referring to > duplicated text in Section 2.2.1 and 2.2.2* > > > > " > > * A 3 octet local label where the 20 rightmost bits are used for > > encoding the label value. In this case the V and L flags MUST > > be set. > > > > * A 4 octet index defining the offset in the SID/Label space > > advertised by this router using the encodings defined in > > Section 3.1 . In this case V and L flags MUST be un= set." > > > > *[Les:] What you suggest could be done. IMO it does not improve the reada= bility of the document.* > > *If there is some consensus for your suggestion I am willing to make such= a change =E2=80=93 but at this point I prefer to leave the text as is.* > > > > > > 5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1 > > > > Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple prefix-sids > with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID value? > > > > *[Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80=9D here. In order to have a= lgorithm specific > forwarding entries we MUST have different SIDs for each algorithm. A rout= er > will use the SID which matches the algorithm associated with the forwardi= ng > entry.* > > > > *[Uma]: ..and IMO, this should be specified. * > > > > *[Les:] I am not clear on what you think needs to specified. As the notio= n > of =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80=9D is not relevant why would we introduce it= ?* > > > > Les > > > --000000000000928cc3056eb09af3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Les, Co-authors and WG,

Though th= ere is a scope for minor improvements in the text, I am fine=C2=A0 if you c= hoose not to update further -=C2=A0 based on the responses below.

<= /div>
I have no further comments and initial version of the write-up ha= s been updated.


BR,

<= /div>
--
Uma C.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Les Ginsberg (gin= sberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

Uma =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

Responses inline.

=C2=A0

From: Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:09 AM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>
Cc: lsr@iet= f.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ie= tf.org; lsr-ch= airs@ietf.org; ls= r-ads@ietf.org
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Sh= epherd review comments

=C2=A0

Les,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your quick response and changes in the do= cument. Please find my further response below [Uma]:

=C2=A0

--

Uma C.

=C2=A0

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Les Ginsberg (gins= berg) <ginsberg@= cisco.com> wrote:

Uma =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

Thanx for the prompt review.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[Uma]:=C2=A0 I understood the intention.

=C2=A0

This doc says -=C2=A0&qu= ot;The 'Prefix SID' MUST =C2=A0=C2=A0be unique within a given IGP d= omain (when the L-flag is not set)."=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[Les:] If both Node A and Node = B advertise (1.1.1.1/32= , SID 100) this is NOT a conflict. This is expected behavior for an anycast= address.

=C2=A0=

Examples of conflicts:

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Node A (1.1.1.1/32, SID 100)<= /b>

Node B (1.1.1.1/32, SID 200)<= /b>

(Different SIDs for the same pr= efix)

=C2=A0=

Node A (1.1.1.1/32, SID 100)<= /b>

Node B (2.2.2.2/32, SID 100)<= /b>

(Same SID for different prefixe= s)

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=C2=A0

b. "A 4 octet index defining.."=

What happens=C2=A0 to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets= value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label = (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits.

Can you point (if any)=C2=A0 references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpl= s appropriate sections -=C2=A0 is this is addressed there?

=C2=A0

[Les:] See https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpl= s-14#section-2.4 (emphasis added):

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[Uma]: Thanks for the pointer. I am fine with kee= ping this at a common place but this document=C2=A0 needs a generic referen= ce specifically for some of the conflict/error conditions to that.

=C2=A0

[Les:] WE have deliberately kep= t any discussion of handling of conflicts (now identified as =E2=80=9Ccolli= sions=E2=80=9D) =C2=A0out of the IGP drafts. Please see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpl= s-14#section-2.5 for discussion of this topic =E2=80=93 which is not pr= otocol specific.

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3. Section 2.2.1

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a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..."

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not sure why this has to d= o with encapsulation? What happens if native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using= this SID with out any encapsulation? Could you please clarify.=

=C2=A0

[Les:] When the packet is forwa= rded over the specified outgoing interface it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 encapsulation i.e., the payload is encaps= ulated in the afi specific L3 protocol.

This does not mean that a new A= FI specific header is imposed.

=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[Uma]: Thanks.=C2=A0 I didn't expect payload = encapsulation with L3 in IS-IS document. I see this is derived from the bas= e TLV where this sub-TLV belongs to (22/222/223 etc.). This sounded like ad= ditional encap and hence my comment.

=C2=A0

But one of my larger point here is why a sub-TLV = has to specify/define AF. This is the property of the associated TLV/MT-awa= re TLV.

I understand this could be too late to change her= e but this additional information should not conflict with base while usage= .=C2=A0

One incorrect usage *example* of this sub-TLV wit= h AF unset (IPv4) in TLV 222 with MT-ID=3D2 (IPv6).

=C2=A0

As it stands this combinations valid/allowed. Per= haps some text around this would be helpful.

=C2=A0

[Les:] Consider the case of sin= gle topology IPv6 support. Here, a single IS Neighbor advertisement is used= in support of IPv4 and IPv6. The indication of which SID is used for which address-family is therefore required.

Although it is a common practic= e to have a 1-1 mapping between topologies and address-families, this is no= t required. 1-1 mapping =C2=A0is commonly assumed because of the reserved MTIDs defined in RFC 5120, but a single topology may be us= ed to support multiple address families. MTID 0 support for IPv6 is the mos= t common example.

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--000000000000928cc3056eb09af3-- From nobody Fri Jun 15 09:23:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48865130F20; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:23:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b9eBA_CNQ8jr; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x243.google.com (mail-vk0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35E02130F90; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x243.google.com with SMTP id 200-v6so6004902vkc.0; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EIfwNE8yIXw/u+6cANcvvRzjkGtJ5ZvNMHcKSXYvZuM=; b=Xtyaxpjp10uoXtR1rS1FXPc9doutdk7FLRZBHe9Ups7xXobRAHGvQwnL8qg2S9MtoF AVKZMhL/osJDGc5tpX70oaNaTefH9UNfIYm3A31bmkvMXfiGALqU0hqO3QGtCME2GZQy JLGl0IyFn4VB7LwexDt2I5ttcPc87/Uew7mrXtR/tOiT1KLFr/N7wsIr4kdJvygGTJCP U4AwF5v1h4KpkYZsoM44Z5GN/EpN1gC2oGumQFlhR3Df5kd0mBeJCEv/F7hTvVd4SnzW CPB531CAA9DOVO/mgamSX7Lves3mRCdmZSXj3vetIv8ucuEfJQdZCxAzqcpgVQ+lHQcf xnAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EIfwNE8yIXw/u+6cANcvvRzjkGtJ5ZvNMHcKSXYvZuM=; b=T4HnrBgH4a9OMghWNBtZ6al3lKjtw8c2uOkwxMUtmHNeeMJVc5s4h6/TnaiQU7GyC9 IO/DJUh+ozbPFSCeW50lg5cvqQWi1lzQxnGS8chtbXDKOCrPMknX0b3ZWFmSyE5ngXtj sFrN6IlrnoDUuqWSx+Kf3ep1SUR8rqDFjBSbKbVG/xLXPDjlwY34pKGI4YLnMlrFWUS8 6/7bVPWMkH7ZT1mDODttczEMb8g9A9UCyr+HA9/7y7Eszr4KdjBJ1ViYdQzBEn/XKRzx ZRYW5tEZ7X5PJA1XXJtW/fHn298vFkiyi9Q1YqyLE0E2TbRolaDwg7GlEodsSAI2PHp7 yIlg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3L5QZpUU/HXeRXGxBQ+g6vPjNx8OuuXQDcuDm8VNjoQCY8eN2g cyu6zy5evX1UKhNllz00raO8hBKPFsLOB4eJPoM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIT6AziP9wElfpz6mVJq/+sbIH6JRCCI4tyCeCXaYbojHYqB7hBdMssoMtmOxm7Ebri5UahDkBODQgClP0m93Y= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:ac0e:: with SMTP id v14-v6mr909578vke.32.1529079777349; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:22:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:207:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:22:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> References: <87zhzyg63a.fsf@chopps.org> From: Uma Chunduri Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:22:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: Christian Hopps Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr-ads@ietf.org, draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f6559f056eb0a065" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd. X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:23:19 -0000 --000000000000f6559f056eb0a065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not aware of any other IPRs on this draft other than what's been already disclosed. BR, -- Uma C. On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > [Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks Bruno!] > > Authors, > > The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware of any > additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments that > followed. > > Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they are > aware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related IPR: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=dra > ft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd > > Thanks, > Chris. > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --000000000000f6559f056eb0a065 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any other IPRs on this draft other than = what's been already disclosed.

BR,

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Uma C.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Christian Hopps = <chopps@chopps.org> wrote:
[Sigh, I quoted the wrong email and mixed things up -- thanks Bruno!]

Authors,

The original WGLC requested the authors indicate if they were aware of any = additional IPR. This seems to have gotten lost in a bunch of comments that = followed.

Can each author reply to this email (and the list) indicating if they are a= ware of any *new* IPR on this document. Currently declared related IPR:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddra= ft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd

Thanks,
Chris.

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--000000000000f6559f056eb0a065-- From nobody Fri Jun 15 09:52:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DB7124D68; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:52:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152908155411.27346.15261040503597521265@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:52:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-04.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:52:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Link Traffic Engineering (TE) Attribute Reuse Authors : Peter Psenak Acee Lindem Les Ginsberg Wim Henderickx Jeff Tantsura Hannes Gredler John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-04.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2018-06-15 Abstract: Various link attributes have been defined in OSPF in the context of the MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) and GMPLS. Many of these link attributes can be used for applications other than MPLS Traffic Engineering or GMPLS. This document defines how to distribute such attributes in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 for applications other than MPLS Traffic Engineering or GMPLS. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 15 10:05:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8719E130DD5; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 10:04:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152908229349.27248.3500103010692186547@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 10:04:53 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-17.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 17:04:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Stefano Previdi Les Ginsberg Clarence Filsfils Ahmed Bashandy Hannes Gredler Stephane Litkowski Bruno Decraene Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-17.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2018-06-15 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. 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19 Jun 2018 08:35:49 +0000 Received: from [10.147.24.41] ([10.147.24.41]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w5J8Zm3r003954; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:35:49 GMT Message-ID: <5B28C064.6040602@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 10:35:48 +0200 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "lsr@ietf.org" References: <6986F592-8643-4222-B3DD-EE48A8D94804@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <6986F592-8643-4222-B3DD-EE48A8D94804@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for OSPF LLS Extensions for Local Interface ID Advertisement - draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-02 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:35:53 -0000 Hi Acee, On 18/06/18 20:51 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Speaking as WG member, I support publication of the subject document. I > have the following comments: > > 1. The normative text saying that the TLV MUST be included needs to be > changed from section 3.1. I’m sure you didn’t mean this since LLS > itself isn’t mandatory and this isn’t backward compatible. changed to SHOULD. > 2. Add a reference to RFC 8379 to section 2 or a new section indicating > that this mechanism suffers from many of the same shortcomings as > using OSPF TE LSAs. RFC8379 specifies how to advertise the local/remote interface ID for the purpose of identifying the link by the remote routers. It does not suggest to use the Extended Link Opaque LSA as a discovery mechanism to find out what is the interface ID on the remote side of the link. > 3. Remove RFC 5340 from the references as it is not referenced. removed. thanks, Peter > > I’m also send a couple editorial suggestions off list. > > Thanks, > Acee > > *From: *Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" > > *Date: *Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:07 PM > *To: *"lsr@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[Lsr] Working Group Last Call for OSPF LLS Extensions for > Local Interface ID Advertisement - draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-02 > > This begins an LSR WG last call for the subject draft. Please send your > > comments to this list prior to 12:00 AM GMT, July 3^rd , 2018. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Tue Jun 19 04:31:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C833E130DC7; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 04:31:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152940788978.31879.10316732792001372398@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 04:31:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:31:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF LLS Extensions for Local Interface ID Advertisement Authors : Peter Psenak Ketan Jivan Talaulikar Wim Henderickx Padma Pillay-Esnault Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-19 Abstract: This draft describes the extensions to OSPF link-local signaling to advertise the Local Interface Identifier. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Mirror SID is defined in Section 5.1 of the SR Architecture draft as follo= wing: 5.1. IGP Mirroring Context Segment One use case for a Binding Segment is to provide support for an IGP node to advertise its ability to process traffic originally destined to another IGP node, called the Mirrored node and identified by an IP address or a Node-SID, provided that a "Mirroring Context" segment be inserted in the segment list prior to any service segment local to the mirrored node. When a given node B wants to provide egress node A protection, it advertises a segment identifying node's A context. Such segment is called "Mirror Context Segment" and identified by the Mirror SID. The Mirror SID is advertised using the binding segment defined in SR IGP protocol extensions [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] . In the event of a failure, a point of local repair (PLR) diverting traffic from A to B does a PUSH of the Mirror SID on the protected traffic. B, when receiving the traffic with the Mirror SID as the active segment, uses that segment and processes underlying segments in the context of A. Please note that these definitions do not mention SR Mapping Server or any= such thing. At the same time, the IS-IS Extensions for SR draft only mentions mirror c= ontext in Section 2.4 that says: 2.4. SID/Label Binding TLV The SID/Label Binding TLV MAY be originated by any router in an IS-IS domain. The SID/Label Binding TLV is used to advertise prefixes to SID/Label mappings. This functionality is called the Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS). The behavior of the SRMS is defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop]. ... 2.4.1. Flags Flags: 1 octet field of following flags: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |F|M|S|D|A| | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ where: F-Flag: Address Family flag. If unset, then the Prefix carries an IPv4 Prefix. If set then the Prefix carries an IPv6 Prefix. M-Flag: Mirror Context flag. Set if the advertised SID corresponds to a mirrored context. The use of the M flag is described in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing]. ... This seems to imply that mirrored context is related to the SRMS - but, to= the best of my understanding, these are completely unrelated. Please note also that the SR Architecture draft says that the Mirroring Co= ntext SID is a segment that identifies the node, and not any prefix. And, = of course the SR Architecture draft does not describe usage of any flags. What (if anything) did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is=20 CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Hi all,

I have a question about Mirror SID as defined in th= e SR Architecture draft and its advertisement defined in the IS-IS extensions for SR draft.

 

Mirror SID is defined in Section 5.1 of the SR Arch= itecture draft as following:

5.1.  IGP Mirroring Context Segment

 

 

   One use case for a Binding Segm= ent is to provide support for an IGP

   node to advertise its ability t= o process traffic originally destined

   to another IGP node, called the= Mirrored node and identified by an IP

   address or a Node-SID, provided= that a "Mirroring Context" segment be

   inserted in the segment list pr= ior to any service segment local to

   the mirrored node.

   When a given node B wants to=
 provide egress node A protection, it
   advertises a segment identif=
ying node's A context.  Such segment is
   called "Mirror Context =
Segment" and identified by the Mirror SID.
 
   The Mirror SID is advertised=
 using the binding segment defined in SR
   IGP protocol extensions [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions=
] .
 
   In the event of a failure, a=
 point of local repair (PLR) diverting
   traffic from A to B does a P=
USH of the Mirror SID on the protected
   traffic.  B, when recei=
ving the traffic with the Mirror SID as the
   active segment, uses that se=
gment and processes underlying segments
   in the context of A.

 

Please note that these definitions do not mention <= span style=3D"background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow"> SR Mapping Server or any such thing.

 

At the same time, the IS-IS Extensions for SR draft= only mentions mirror context in Section 2.4 that says:

 

2.4.  SID/Label Binding TLV

 
 
   The SID/Label Binding TLV MA=
Y be originated by any router in an IS-IS
   domain.

 


   The SID/Label Binding TLV is used to advertise =
prefixes to SID/Label


&n=
bsp;  mappings.  This functionality is called the Segment Routin=
g Mapping


&n=
bsp;  Server (SRMS).  The beh=
avior of the SRMS is defined in


   [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop].


...


2.4.1. 
 Flags


 


 


   Flags: 1 octet field of foll=
owing flags:


 


    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7


   +-+-+-+-+=
;-+-+-+-+


   |F|M|S|D|A|   =
;  |


   +-+-+-+-+=
;-+-+-+-+


 


   where:

 


      F-Flag: Ad=
dress Family flag.  If unset, then the Prefix carries an


      IPv4 Prefi=
x.  If set then the Prefix carries an IPv6 Prefix.<=
/pre>

 


      M-Flag: Mi=
rror Context flag.  Set if the advertised SID
=


      correspond=
s to a mirrored context.  The use of the M flag is<=
/pre>

      described =
in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing].


...


 


This seems to imply that mirrored context is relate=
d to the SRMS – but, to the best of my understanding, these are comp=
letely unrelated.



Please note also that the SR Architecture draft say=
s that the Mirroring Context SID is a segment that identifies the node, an=
d not any prefix. And, of course the SR Architecture draft does not descri=
be usage of any flags.



 


What (if anything) did I miss?


 


Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<=
/p>

Sasha


 


Office: +972-39266302


Cell:      +972-549266=
302


Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com=



 

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Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:51:56 +0200 id 0000000002F10005.000000005B2934B1.00006406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Hannes Gredler X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D60) In-Reply-To: <546d0fea-0899-fc13-844d-1c6e101f4816@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:51:05 +0300 Cc: Uma Chunduri , "lsr@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <546d0fea-0899-fc13-844d-1c6e101f4816@cisco.com> To: "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:52:08 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPR that has not been previously disclosed > On 19.06.2018, at 19:07, Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) wrote: >=20 > I'm not aware of any IPR that has not been previously disclosed >=20 > Cheers, > Clarence >=20 >> On 11/06/2018 21:18, Uma Chunduri wrote: >> Dear All, >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16= ? >> Sending this email as suggested by LSR chairs - as this was not noticed d= uring/around WGLC. >> =3D=3D=3D >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond >> to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any >> relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing >> list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a >> response has been received from each author and contributor. >> If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or >> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of >> any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> =3D=3D=3D >> -- >> Uma C. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Tue Jun 19 12:59:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91124130EC6; 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boundary="_004_7aaaddfdb34049b2961cdb44b1c1eb86XCHALN001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement using IS-IS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:59:50 -0000 --_004_7aaaddfdb34049b2961cdb44b1c1eb86XCHALN001ciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7aaaddfdb34049b2961cdb44b1c1eb86XCHALN001ciscocom_" --_000_7aaaddfdb34049b2961cdb44b1c1eb86XCHALN001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sasha - Thanx for pointing this out. Up until V13 of the draft the SID/Label Binding TLV had multiple use cases = and there was introductory text in Section 2.4 which described these use ca= ses. All use cases other than SRMS were removed in V13 (principally the ERO type= s) as they were not in use and the introductory text was removed. Support for Mirror SID was restored in V14 (thanx to Chris Bowers) but we n= ever updated the introductory text in Section 2.4 to reflect this. Attached are proposed diffs to address this gap. Hopefully this will resolv= e the issue for you. Les From: Alexander Vainshtein Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:27 AM To: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org Cc: Michael Gorokhovsky ; spring@ietf.org;= lsr@ietf.org Subject: A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement using IS-IS Hi all, I have a question about Mirror SID as defined in the SR Architecture draft and its a= dvertisement defined in the IS-IS extensions for SR draft. Mirror SID is defined in Section 5.1 of the SR Architecture draft as follow= ing: 5.1. IGP Mirroring Context Segment One use case for a Binding Segment is to provide support for an IGP node to advertise its ability to process traffic originally destined to another IGP node, called the Mirrored node and identified by an IP address or a Node-SID, provided that a "Mirroring Context" segment be inserted in the segment list prior to any service segment local to the mirrored node. When a given node B wants to provide egress node A protection, it advertises a segment identifying node's A context. Such segment is called "Mirror Context Segment" and identified by the Mirror SID. The Mirror SID is advertised using the binding segment defined in SR IGP protocol extensions [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] . In the event of a failure, a point of local repair (PLR) diverting traffic from A to B does a PUSH of the Mirror SID on the protected traffic. B, when receiving the traffic with the Mirror SID as the active segment, uses that segment and processes underlying segments in the context of A. Please note that these definitions do not mention SR Mapping Server or any = such thing. At the same time, the IS-IS Extensions for SR draft only mentions mirror co= ntext in Section 2.4 that says: 2.4. SID/Label Binding TLV The SID/Label Binding TLV MAY be originated by any router in an IS-IS domain. The SID/Label Binding TLV is used to advertise prefixes to SID/Label mappings. This functionality is called the Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS). The behavior of the SRMS is defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop]. ... 2.4.1. Flags Flags: 1 octet field of following flags: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |F|M|S|D|A| | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ where: F-Flag: Address Family flag. If unset, then the Prefix carries an IPv4 Prefix. If set then the Prefix carries an IPv6 Prefix. M-Flag: Mirror Context flag. Set if the advertised SID corresponds to a mirrored context. The use of the M flag is described in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing]. ... This seems to imply that mirrored context is related to the SRMS - but, to = the best of my understanding, these are completely unrelated. Please note also that the SR Architecture draft says that the Mirroring Con= text SID is a segment that identifies the node, and not any prefix. And, of= course the SR Architecture draft does not describe usage of any flags. What (if anything) did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com ___________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains informa= tion which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Sasha –

 

Thanx for pointing thi= s out.

 

Up until V13 of the dr= aft the SID/Label Binding TLV had multiple use cases and there was introduc= tory text in Section 2.4 which described these use cases.=

All use cases other th= an SRMS were removed in V13 (principally the ERO types) as they were not in= use and the introductory text was removed.

 

Support for Mirror SID= was restored in V14 (thanx to Chris Bowers) but we never updated the intro= ductory text in Section 2.4 to reflect this.

 

Attached are proposed = diffs to address this gap. Hopefully this will resolve the issue for you.

 

   Les<= /o:p>

 

 

From: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vain= shtein@ecitele.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:27 AM
To: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org
Cc: Michael Gorokhovsky <Michael.Gorokhovsky@ecitele.com>; spr= ing@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement using IS-= IS

 

Hi all,

I have a question about Mirror SID as defined in the= SR Architecture draft and its advertisement defined in the IS-IS extensions for SR draft.

 

Mirror SID is defined in Section 5.1 of the SR Archi= tecture draft as following:

5.1.  IGP Mirroring Context Segment

 

 

   One use case for a Binding Segmen= t is to provide support for an IGP

   node to advertise its ability to = process traffic originally destined

   to another IGP node, called the M= irrored node and identified by an IP

   address or a Node-SID, provided t= hat a "Mirroring Context" segment be

   inserted in the segment list prio= r to any service segment local to

   the mirrored node.

   When a given node B wants to =
provide egress node A protection, it
   advertises a segment identify=
ing node's A context.  Such segment is
   called "Mirror Context S=
egment" and identified by the Mirror SID.
 
   The Mirror SID is advertised =
using the binding segment defined in SR
   IGP protocol extensions [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] .<=
o:p>
 
   In the event of a failure, a =
point of local repair (PLR) diverting
   traffic from A to B does a PU=
SH of the Mirror SID on the protected
   traffic.  B, when receiv=
ing the traffic with the Mirror SID as the
   active segment, uses that seg=
ment and processes underlying segments
   in the context of A.

 

Please note that these definitions do not mention SR Mapping Server or any such thing.

 

At the same time, the IS-IS Extensions for SR draft = only mentions mirror context in Section 2.4 that says:

 

2.4.  SID/Label Binding TLV

 
 
   The SID/Label Binding TLV MAY=
 be originated by any router in an IS-IS
   domain.

 


   The SID/Label Binding TLV is used to advertise pr=
efixes to SID/Label


&nb=
sp;  mappings.  This functionality is called the Segment Routing =
Mapping


&nb=
sp;  Server (SRMS).  The behav=
ior of the SRMS is defined in


   [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop].


...


2.4.1=
. 
 Flags


 


 


   Flags: 1 octet field of follo=
wing flags:


 


    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7


   +-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+


   |F|M|S|D|A|   =
  |


   +-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+


 


   where:

 


      F-Flag: Add=
ress Family flag.  If unset, then the Prefix carries an


      IPv4 Prefix=
.  If set then the Prefix carries an IPv6 Prefix.

 


      M-Flag: Mir=
ror Context flag.  Set if the advertised SID


      corresponds=
 to a mirrored context.  The use of the M flag is

      described i=
n [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing].<=
/span>


...


 


This seems to imply that mirrored context is related=
 to the SRMS – but, to the best of my understanding, these are comple=
tely unrelated.



Please note also that the SR Architecture draft says=
 that the Mirroring Context SID is a segment that identifies the node, and =
not any prefix. And, of course the SR Architecture draft does not describe =
usage of any flags.



 


What (if anything) did I miss?


 


Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,

Sasha


 


Office: +972-39266302


Cell:      +972-5492663=
02


Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com


 




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advertisement using IS-IS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 07:00:49 -0000 --_000_DB5PR0301MB1909B7D2D61CF46D0230A3649D770DB5PR0301MB1909_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Les, Lots of thanks for a prompt response. The proposed text looks fine to me. Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:00 PM To: Alexander Vainshtein ; draft-ietf-is= is-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org Cc: Michael Gorokhovsky ; spring@ietf.org= ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: RE: A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement using IS-IS= Sasha - Thanx for pointing this out. Up until V13 of the draft the SID/Label Binding TLV had multiple use cases= and there was introductory text in Section 2.4 which described these use = cases. All use cases other than SRMS were removed in V13 (principally the ERO typ= es) as they were not in use and the introductory text was removed. Support for Mirror SID was restored in V14 (thanx to Chris Bowers) but we = never updated the introductory text in Section 2.4 to reflect this. Attached are proposed diffs to address this gap. Hopefully this will resol= ve the issue for you. Les From: Alexander Vainshtein > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:27 AM To: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org Cc: Michael Gorokhovsky >; spring@ietf.org; lsr@ietf= .org Subject: A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement using IS-IS Hi all, I have a question about Mirror SID as defined in the SR Architecture draft and its= advertisement defined in the IS-IS extensions for SR draft. Mirror SID is defined in Section 5.1 of the SR Architecture draft as follo= wing: 5.1. IGP Mirroring Context Segment One use case for a Binding Segment is to provide support for an IGP node to advertise its ability to process traffic originally destined to another IGP node, called the Mirrored node and identified by an IP address or a Node-SID, provided that a "Mirroring Context" segment be inserted in the segment list prior to any service segment local to the mirrored node. When a given node B wants to provide egress node A protection, it advertises a segment identifying node's A context. Such segment is called "Mirror Context Segment" and identified by the Mirror SID. The Mirror SID is advertised using the binding segment defined in SR IGP protocol extensions [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] . In the event of a failure, a point of local repair (PLR) diverting traffic from A to B does a PUSH of the Mirror SID on the protected traffic. B, when receiving the traffic with the Mirror SID as the active segment, uses that segment and processes underlying segments in the context of A. Please note that these definitions do not mention SR Mapping Server or any= such thing. At the same time, the IS-IS Extensions for SR draft only mentions mirror c= ontext in Section 2.4 that says: 2.4. SID/Label Binding TLV The SID/Label Binding TLV MAY be originated by any router in an IS-IS domain. The SID/Label Binding TLV is used to advertise prefixes to SID/Label mappings. This functionality is called the Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS). The behavior of the SRMS is defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop]. ... 2.4.1. Flags Flags: 1 octet field of following flags: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |F|M|S|D|A| | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ where: F-Flag: Address Family flag. If unset, then the Prefix carries an IPv4 Prefix. If set then the Prefix carries an IPv6 Prefix. M-Flag: Mirror Context flag. Set if the advertised SID corresponds to a mirrored context. The use of the M flag is described in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing]. ... This seems to imply that mirrored context is related to the SRMS - but, to= the best of my understanding, these are completely unrelated. Please note also that the SR Architecture draft says that the Mirroring Co= ntext SID is a segment that identifies the node, and not any prefix. And, = of course the SR Architecture draft does not describe usage of any flags. What (if anything) did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have rece= ived this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then = delete the original and all copies thereof. __________________________________________________________________________= _ __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is=20 CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Les,

Lots of thanks for a = prompt response.

The proposed text loo= ks fine to me.

 

Regards,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-3926= 6302

Cell:  &nbs= p;   +972-549266302

Email:   Al= exander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsbe= rg@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:00 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>; = draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org
Cc: Michael Gorokhovsky <Michael.Gorokhovsky@ecitele.com>; sp= ring@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement usin= g IS-IS

 

Sasha –<= o:p>

 

Thanx for pointing th= is out.

 

Up until V13 of the d= raft the SID/Label Binding TLV had multiple use cases and there was introd= uctory text in Section 2.4 which described these use cases.

All use cases other t= han SRMS were removed in V13 (principally the ERO types) as they were not = in use and the introductory text was removed.

 

Support for Mirror SI= D was restored in V14 (thanx to Chris Bowers) but we never updated the int= roductory text in Section 2.4 to reflect this.

 

Attached are proposed= diffs to address this gap. Hopefully this will resolve the issue for you.=

 

   Les

 

 

From: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:27 AM
To: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org
Cc: Michael Gorokhovsky <Michael.Gorokhovsky@ecitele.com>; spring@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: A question about Mirror SID and its advertisement using IS= -IS

 

Hi all,

I have a question about Mirror SID as defined in th= e SR Architecture draft and its advertisement defined in the IS-IS extensions for SR draft.

 

Mirror SID is defined in Section 5.1 of the SR Arch= itecture draft as following:

5.1= .  IGP Mirroring Context Segment

 

 

   One use case for a Binding Segm= ent is to provide support for an IGP

   node to advertise its ability t= o process traffic originally destined

   to another IGP node, called the= Mirrored node and identified by an IP

   address or a Node-SID, provided= that a "Mirroring Context" segment be

   inserted in the segment list pr= ior to any service segment local to

   the mirrored node.<= /o:p>

   When a given node B wants to=
 provide egress node A protection, it
   advertises a segment identif=
ying node's A context.  Such segment is
   called "Mirror Context =
Segment" and identified by the Mirror SID.
 
   The Mirror SID is advertised=
 using the binding segment defined in SR
   IGP protocol extensions [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions=
] .
 
   In the event of a failure, a=
 point of local repair (PLR) diverting
   traffic from A to B does a P=
USH of the Mirror SID on the protected
   traffic.  B, when recei=
ving the traffic with the Mirror SID as the
   active segment, uses that se=
gment and processes underlying segments
   in the context of A.<=
o:p>

 

Please note that these definitions do not mention <= span style=3D"background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow"> SR Mapping Server or any such thing.

 

At the same time, the IS-IS Extensions for SR draft= only mentions mirror context in Section 2.4 that says:

 

2.4.  SID/Label Binding TLV

 
 
   The SID/Label Binding TLV MA=
Y be originated by any router in an IS-IS
   domain.

 


   The SID/Label Binding TLV is used to advertise =
prefixes to SID/Label


&n=
bsp;  mappings.  This functionality is called the Segment Routin=
g Mapping


&n=
bsp;  Server (SRMS).  The beh=
avior of the SRMS is defined in


   [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop].


...


2.4=
.1. 
 Flags


 


 


   Flags: 1 octet field of foll=
owing flags:


 


    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=



   +-+-+-+-+=
;-+-+-+-+


   |F|M|S|D|A|   =
;  |


   +-+-+-+-+=
;-+-+-+-+


 


   where:

 


      F-Flag: Ad=
dress Family flag.  If unset, then the Prefix carries an<=
/o:p>


      IPv4 Prefi=
x.  If set then the Prefix carries an IPv6 Prefix.<=
/pre>

 


      M-Flag: Mi=
rror=20Context flag.  Set if the advertised SID

      correspond=
s to a mirrored context.  The use of the M flag is<=
/pre>

      described =
in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing].<=
o:p>


...


 


This seems to imply that mirrored context is relate=
d to the SRMS – but, to the best of my understanding, these are comp=
letely unrelated.



Please note also that the SR Architecture draft say=
s that the Mirroring Context SID is a segment that identifies the node, an=
d not any prefix. And, of course the SR Architecture draft does not descri=
be usage of any flags.



 


What (if anything) did I miss?


 


Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<=
/p>

Sasha


 


Office: +972-39266302


Cell:      +972-549266=
302


Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com


 




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This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Stefano Previdi Les Ginsberg Clarence Filsfils Ahmed Bashandy Hannes Gredler Stephane Litkowski Bruno Decraene Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-18.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2018-06-20 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. 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No algorithm = specified at this time. As always, comments are welcomed. 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This can be addressed by decreasing the > flooding topology so that it is less dense. >=20 > This document discusses the problem in some depth and an > architectural solution. Specific protocol changes for IS-IS, = OSPFv2, > and OSPFv3 are described in this document. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_4424220F-BA54-465B-83C5-A6296D8389C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

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Significant changes since = -04:

- Added = Peter Psenak as co-author.
- Added OSPF LSA = encodings.
- Added an option for a distributed = topology computation. No algorithm specified at this time.

As always, comments are = welcomed.

Regards,
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Document = date: = 2018-06-28
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 28
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Abstract:
=   Routing with link state protocols in dense network = topologies can
  result in sub-optimal = convergence times due to the overhead
=   associated with flooding.  This can be addressed by = decreasing the
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WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Early review of draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:07:46 -0000 To: foo-wg-chairs@…; draft-foo-name.all@…; Cc: rtg-dir@…; foo-wg-mailing-list; Subject: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03.txt Hello I have been selected to do a routing directorate “early†review of this draft. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id/ The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair, perform an “early†review of a draft before it is submitted for publication to the IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draft’s lifetime as a working group document. The purpose of the early review depends on the stage that the document has reached. As this document is close to working group last call, my focus for the review was to determine whether the document is ready to be published. Please consider my comments along with the other working group last call comments. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Document: draft-ietf-ospf-lls-interface-id-03.txt Reviewer: Loa Andersson Review Date: 2018-06-29 Intended Status: Standards track Summary: No issues found. This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to being submitted to the IESG. I have gathered the nits in a word file that has been sent to the authors and chairs. I also recommend that the authors take a look at my proposed change to the IANA section. Nits: The nits found is that the Abstract is too raw, but as sufficient info are available in the Introduction, this should be a simple editorial change. There is one sentence at the end of section that I think is ambigious. But I leave it to the authors to update if they think it is necessary. LSA is actually not a well-know abbreviation, and should be expanded. However, I think it should be well-know, since this is within the purview of the LSR chairs, I leave to them to take necessary actions if they see fit. I have suggested some editorial changes to the IANA considerations. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Fri Jun 29 11:55:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5933130E04 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ib_N38yMpeWb for ; 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Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.945 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.945 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhrvwyuQJZLQ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A49B130E14; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=184.157.93.164; From: "Susan Hares" To: , "'Van De Velde, Gunter \(Nokia - BE/Antwerp\)'" , "'Ketan Talaulikar \(ketant\)'" , , , References: <741c5584debc4bc7821292de52f8d6c4@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> <5c494d4e76cf4fa1adcb695f4ee4b59e@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> <18142_1528927504_5B219510_18142_427_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1AF4E8@OPEXCNORMAC.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <18142_1528927504_5B219510_18142_427_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1AF4E8@OPEXCNORMAC.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <00f401d40fda$f73fd5b0$e5bf8110$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHtuinxRvU8ECEFWuNhwLCXewwxtAIAMWXkAwOep5YBvmHSmgGwz0M3Av3DtuKj6LsMEA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 180629-6, 06/29/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 18:57:13 -0000 Stephane, Gunter, Ketan, Les, and Jeff: Are you going to settle on option 2? Will we be seeing drafts with this change in this revision? Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:05 PM To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp); Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi, As defined in draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label, advertising an ERLD means that the node is defacto ELC (so advertising ELC separately is not necessary): " The Entropy Readable Label Depth (ERLD) is defined as the number of labels a router can both: a. Read in an MPLS packet received on its incoming interface(s) (starting from the top of the stack). b. Use in its load-balancing function. The ERLD means that the router will perform load-balancing using the EL label if the EL is placed within the ERLD first labels. " " To advertise an ERLD value, a SPRING router: o MUST be entropy label capable and, as a consequence, MUST apply the dataplane procedures defined in [RFC6790]. o MUST be able to read an ELI/EL which is located within its ERLD value. o MUST take into account this EL in its load-balancing function. " Brgds, -----Original Message----- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:10 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]) are signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS. If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), then next, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean technological solution space. G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the others. My only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV but instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different encoding. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmatic motivation. The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to signal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be. >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in both IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring confusion (router/controller implementers and network operators). The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive confusion) 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signaling of ELC TLV compared to option (2)) 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more complex as option (2)) I believe that option (2) is the best option: * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) * easy to understand with no confusion * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capability which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you saying that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the limit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, there is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF is signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upon (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that LINK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing- rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld- 02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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I'll be happy to discuss in Montreal. Between now and then i am on vscation, so no new text from my side. Lsts better discuss first at IETF102. G/ Gunter Van de Velde On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:58 PM +0200, "Susan Hares" wrote: Stephane, Gunter, Ketan, Les, and Jeff: Are you going to settle on option 2? Will we be seeing drafts with this change in this revision? Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:05 PM To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp); Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi, As defined in draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label, advertising an ERLD means that the node is defacto ELC (so advertising ELC separately is not necessary): " The Entropy Readable Label Depth (ERLD) is defined as the number of labels a router can both: a. Read in an MPLS packet received on its incoming interface(s) (starting from the top of the stack). b. Use in its load-balancing function. The ERLD means that the router will perform load-balancing using the EL label if the EL is placed within the ERLD first labels. " " To advertise an ERLD value, a SPRING router: o MUST be entropy label capable and, as a consequence, MUST apply the dataplane procedures defined in [RFC6790]. o MUST be able to read an ELI/EL which is located within its ERLD value. o MUST take into account this EL in its load-balancing function. " Brgds, -----Original Message----- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:10 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]) are signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS. If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), then next, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean technological solution space. G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the others. My only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV but instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different encoding. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmatic motivation. The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to signal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be. >From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in both IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring confusion (router/controller implementers and network operators). The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward: 1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive confusion) 2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP 3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signaling of ELC TLV compared to option (2)) 4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more complex as option (2)) I believe that option (2) is the best option: * it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators * most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller) * easy to understand with no confusion * is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10 G/ -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05 To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) Hi Gunter, The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capability which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you saying that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD? IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the limit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and per ingress link/LC level. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28 To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS) In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD: * draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc * draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, there is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs. BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF is signaling individually ELC and RLD I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that should be addressed: * Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upon (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10) * What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts? * (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that LINK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?) G/ -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS Authors : Gunter Van de Velde Wim Henderickx Matthew Bocci Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a centralised controller (PCE/SDN). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing- rld-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld- 02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hope all is well with all.

I'll be happy to discuss in Montreal. Between now and then i am on vscation, so no new text from my side. Lsts better discuss first at IETF102.

G/

Gunter Van de Velde




On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:58 PM +0200, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Stephane, Gunter, Ketan, Les, and Jeff:

Are you going to settle on option 2?  Will we be seeing drafts with this
change in this revision? 

Sue Hares 


-----Original Message-----
From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:05 PM
To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp); Ketan Talaulikar (ketant);
idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

Hi,

As defined in draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label, advertising an ERLD
means that the node is defacto ELC (so advertising ELC separately is not
necessary):

" The Entropy Readable Label Depth (ERLD) is defined as the number of
   labels a router can both:

   a.  Read in an MPLS packet received on its incoming interface(s)
       (starting from the top of the stack).

   b.  Use in its load-balancing function.

   The ERLD means that the router will perform load-balancing using the
   EL label if the EL is placed within the ERLD first labels.
"

"
To advertise an ERLD value, a SPRING router:

   o  MUST be entropy label capable and, as a consequence, MUST apply
      the dataplane procedures defined in [RFC6790].

   o  MUST be able to read an ELI/EL which is located within its ERLD
      value.

   o  MUST take into account this EL in its load-balancing function.
"


Brgds,


-----Original Message-----
From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter
(Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:10
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

It is desirable that same understanding of TLVs ([ELC, RLD] or [ERLD]) are
signaled for ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS. 

If the WG's can manage to agree upon a decision (option1/2/3 or 4), then
next, have a look into how to encode the TLV so that we have a clean
technological solution space.

G/

-----Original Message-----
From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45
To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

Hi Gunter,

In that case, I concur with you that option (2) is better than the others.
My only difference in opinion is that ERLD not have its own separate TLV but
instead get advertised as a new MSD sub-type - it is just a different
encoding.

Thanks,
Ketan

-----Original Message-----
From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)

Sent: 13 June 2018 13:55
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; idr@ietf.org;
lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

Indeed, the debate that made BGP-LS to go down the ERLD path is of pragmatic
motivation.

The major Readable Label Depth use-case is entropy. Hence, if the ERLD TLV
is available, then ELC can be implicitly assumed. No pragmatic reason to
signal separately, as it just make things more complex then should be. 

>From a holistic perspective having something similar, yet different, in
both IGP and BGP-LS encoding seems to make little sense and only bring
confusion (router/controller implementers and network operators). 

The ways to address this in IGP and BGP-LS going forward:
1) do nothing and leave all as it is (it has potential to create massive
confusion)
2) only signal ERLD TLV in IGP and BGP
3) signal ELC TLV and RLD TLV (unclear pragmatic value of explicit signaling
of ELC TLV compared to option (2))
4) signal ELC TLV, RLD TLV and ERLD TLV (it has all, but is much much more
complex as option (2))

I believe that option (2) is the best option:
* it bring the needed readable label depth value to operators
* most simple solution for implementers (routers and controller)
* easy to understand with no confusion
* is compliant with draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10

G/

-----Original Message-----
From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:05
To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
; idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

Hi Gunter,

The difference in IGP signalling seems to be because the ELC is a capability
which is advertised differently than ERLD which is a limit. Are you saying
that ELC does not have value by itself without the ERLD?

IMHO it makes sense to retain ELC as capability of the router (as specified
in the IGP specs) and position ERLD as a MSD sub-type for indicating the
limit. This way we have the flexibility of signalling ERLD both per node and
per ingress link/LC level.

Thanks,
Ketan

-----Original Message-----
From: Idr  On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia -
BE/Antwerp)
Sent: 12 June 2018 19:28
To: idr@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

In LSR WG the following drafts document the signaling of ELC and RLD:
* draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc
* draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc

When exporting this information using BGP-LS encoding to a controller, there
is need for BGP-LS extension by means of new TLVs.

BGP-LS is signaling ERLD (entropy capable readable label depth) ISIS/OSPF is
signaling individually ELC and RLD

I was working upon the IANA section, and discovered some inconsistency that
should be addressed:
* Why is IGP signaling individual ELC and RLD? ERLD is what was decided upon
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-10)
* What are the plans to request IANA code points for these drafts?
* (E)RLD seems to have meaning only from NODE perspective, (I assume that
LINK ERLD is not of any value at all, is that a correct assumption?)

G/


-----Original Message-----
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internet-drafts@ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 15:25
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Signalling ERLD using BGP-LS
        Authors         : Gunter Van de Velde
                          Wim Henderickx
                          Matthew Bocci
                          Keyur Patel
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2018-06-12

Abstract:
   This document defines the attribute encoding to use for BGP-LS to
   expose ERLD "Entropy capable Readable Label Depth" from a node to a
   centralised controller (PCE/SDN).



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-02
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-
rld-02

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-
02


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------=_Part_6218_1609624426.1530301709928-- From nobody Fri Jun 29 14:56:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2A2130E35; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:56:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153030937865.30412.3301262626846537070@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:56:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-04.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 21:56:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for IS-IS Segment Routing Authors : Stephane Litkowski Yinghzen Qu Pushpasis Sarkar Ing-Wher Chen Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-04.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-06-29 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage IS-IS Segment Routing ([I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 29 15:31:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3062130E9E for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ybs7H3YnkHYE for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x230.google.com (mail-pg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13732130E5E for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x230.google.com with SMTP id b10-v6so4553600pgq.11 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:references:to:date; bh=Q7f1QvFHsHgpg7UV3n9aWLDwN1grD0m0V17q9eai1/g=; b=oo0D4s5GL4C0RT76/16ZTNat+VuDEvsZgwJZkMLOXvnMBXfGHLqMzXPfOo6ASSF4C2 ti3WMb60COJmb3YCuH2ik/k3NCP/A3hyn1H82bkGhsVwqXd4c5xim+yLrRqZRpWzs2hI W3Wft1xNal08AWmSJ4eU8kzukOJZ7vI8jLPuS/MubyL/R/64d17ZFVjj6GpCG7CbcW4l sh2wBzjCThmJOO86lz01j2FcgTM4jcLIti7OYNmC2+t/NKaupAQoEQ0I0QARDuFGYAca W7ZvdHi1uCExnwq0/YdulSBGAqF6JOMUpxNxvWnEiJuWtS2SlpoxHpRHBlgA0w0yqr0S yFTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:mime-version:subject:message-id :references:to:date; bh=Q7f1QvFHsHgpg7UV3n9aWLDwN1grD0m0V17q9eai1/g=; b=H4TT/sYG92SCXbCxB7IITKft/pz75UZZGymMlvgG9/1cAkuwibvl6Dn2xPFVbhZ1Bn hZDZdTDiBqmJZa9Vb+2WUlMrh31rRKfl9l68HPoPsDrXJXFbvryYgoW4gubbQWfsQKir cA3sCVHUhgiCkzTROMjVMyljK6+xOhWTnGujpWhPCNwzMSaxkPWYdkXO5HHU3gglMLOi S6BVGP6ko6awVFdCV98+J2Jl1bz4fxNlp69mVDDUoY9le+rPqKTwfEQ78DpcPWUdeRFK 812L43Lg0mWOWGOf8yGIqXLjx/sR0b7moQrGc7kuFIn9I7SFD29A7eLRQQ++AIXzE3O+ BtZg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2rrDY1ojCxlcVgZPXWsCrgIyrWk65A9368Wx39PmhVJvMLyzK3 Q3yb1UGQGeI6yiZ8pVvEaLpiY5FV X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKx+nfQNjyXoWXFQGP+/+1TqxJ6yPBv9XOlEkPjpTJpN3tJPifZwV0GTQ1lUt3KyStCLAtO0Q== X-Received: by 2002:a65:418b:: with SMTP id a11-v6mr14066322pgq.118.1530311502016; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.228.216] ([162.210.130.3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r81-v6sm10185184pfb.104.2018.06.29.15.31.41 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Tony Li From: tony.li@tony.li Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3CC0EC12-4C64-4517-BDA4-A25E9F585CC3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) Message-Id: <4CDF538D-4FF4-42CE-9B41-5DF72BF899C9@tony.li> References: <153031128534.30286.1180883542363734307.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: lsr@ietf.org Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:31:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-area-abstraction-00.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:31:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3CC0EC12-4C64-4517-BDA4-A25E9F585CC3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI: This is a proposal to improve the way that IS-IS does areas. A level 1 = area can now be a transit without injecting its topology into level 2. As always, comments are most welcome. Regards, Tony > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-area-abstraction-00.txt > Date: June 29, 2018 at 3:28:05 PM PDT > To: "Tony Li" >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-li-area-abstraction-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-li-area-abstraction > Revision: 00 > Title: Level 1 Area Abstraction for IS-IS > Document date: 2018-06-28 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 6 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-area-abstraction-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-area-abstraction/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-area-abstraction-00 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-area-abstraction >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > Link state routing protocols have hierarchical abstraction already > built into them. However, when lower levels are used for transit, > they must expose their internal topologies, leading to scale issues. >=20 > To avoid this, this document discusses extensions to the IS-IS > routing protocol that would allow level 1 areas to provide transit, > yet only inject an abstraction of the topology into level 2. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3CC0EC12-4C64-4517-BDA4-A25E9F585CC3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

FYI:

This is a proposal to improve the way = that IS-IS does areas.  A level 1 area can now be a transit without = injecting its topology into level 2.

As always, comments are most = welcome.

Regards,
Tony


Begin forwarded message:

From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = New Version = Notification for draft-li-area-abstraction-00.txt
Date: = June 29, 2018 at 3:28:05 PM = PDT
To: = "Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li>

A new version of I-D, draft-li-area-abstraction-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to = the
IETF repository.

Name: = draft-li-area-abstraction
Revision: 00
Title:= = Level 1 Area Abstraction for IS-IS
Document = date: = 2018-06-28
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 6
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-area-abstraction-= 00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-area-abstraction/=
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-area-abstraction-00Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-area-abstraction=


Abstract:
=   Link state routing protocols have hierarchical abstraction = already
  built into them.  However, when = lower levels are used for transit,
  they must = expose their internal topologies, leading to scale issues.

  To avoid this, this document = discusses extensions to the IS-IS
  routing = protocol that would allow level 1 areas to provide transit,
=   yet only inject an abstraction of the topology into level = 2.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the = time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are = available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat


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Comments are most welcome! Regards, Tony > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00.txt > Date: June 29, 2018 at 4:12:24 PM PDT > To: "Tony Li" >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-li-hierarchical-isis > Revision: 00 > Title: Hierarchical IS-IS > Document date: 2018-06-28 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 7 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-hierarchical-isis/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-hierarchical-isis >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > The IS-IS routing protocol was originally defined with a two level > hierarchical structure. This was adequate for the networks at the > time. As we continue to expand the scale of our networks, it is > apparent that additional hierarchy would be a welcome degree of > flexibility in network design. >=20 > This document defines IS-IS Levels 3 through 8. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_ECB89D8B-530D-4215-8C58-8AA307011CE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


FYI:

This extends IS-IS from 2 levels to 8.
Comments are most welcome!

Regards,
Tony



Begin forwarded message:

From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = New Version = Notification for draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00.txt
Date: = June 29, 2018 at 4:12:24 PM = PDT
To: = "Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li>

A new version of I-D, draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to = the
IETF repository.

Name: = draft-li-hierarchical-isis
Revision: 00
Title:= = Hierarchical IS-IS
Document date: = 2018-06-28
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 7
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-hierarchical-isis= -00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-hierarchical-isis/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-hierarchical-isis-00Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-hierarchical-isi= s


Abstract:
=   The IS-IS routing protocol was originally defined with a = two level
  hierarchical structure.  This = was adequate for the networks at the
  time. =  As we continue to expand the scale of our networks, it is
  apparent that additional hierarchy would be a = welcome degree of
  flexibility in network = design.

  This document defines = IS-IS Levels 3 through 8.




Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized = version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat


= --Apple-Mail=_ECB89D8B-530D-4215-8C58-8AA307011CE5--

On Jun 11, 2018, at 22:05, Les = Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

Uma= =E2=80=93
 
One item I = forgot=E2=80=A6there are no meaningful nits.
Idnits reports:
 
-- Looks like a = reference, but probably isn't: '100' on line 1009
     = 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...'
 
  -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '199' = on line 1009
     = 'SRGB =3D [100, 199]...'
 
  -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1000' = on line 1010
     = '[1000, 1099]...'
 
  -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '1099' = on line 1010
     = '[1000, 1099]...'
 
  -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '500' = on line 1011
     = '[500, 599]...'
 
  -- Looks like a reference, but probably isn't: '599' = on line 1011
     = '[500, 599]...'
 
  -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: = ref. 'ISO10589'
 
The= fact that idnits looks at everything enclosed in [] as a reference does = not mean the text requires revision.
Idnits also does not = allow that a non-RFC document can be a normative reference =E2=80=93 but = clearly ISO 10589 is a normative = reference.

[jeff] = indeed, we have used variety of non-RFC documents as normative = references in the past, this should be acceptable in this case.
 
Thanx.
 
   Les
 
 
From: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg) 
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:00 = PM
To: Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com>; lsr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org
Subject: RE: = draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review = comments
 
Uma =E2=80=93
 
Thanx for the prompt = review.
 
I have attached = proposed diffs to address some of your comments.
 
Additional responses = inline.
 
 
From: Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 6:27 = PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org
Subject: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routi= ng-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments
 
Dear Authors,
 
I have done = shepherd  review = of  draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 document as = requested by LSR chairs. First, I would like to thank all the the = authors and contributors on this document.
I have few minor comments below  and would be = great if authors take a look at these.
 
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 
A. I see few ID nits = (comments and warnings). Please fix  those.
B. For the record: (as this would come up soon) = : Currently there are 8  front page authors and please indicate why = this document should be given exception w.r.t 5 co-authors norm, that is = being followed in general.
 
[Les:] This will be addressed after = discussion among the authors =E2=80=93 thanx for the reminder. J
 
1. Abstract & Section 1
 
a.
   "These segments are =   advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and = OSPF)."
 
   I see = more than LSR protocols e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-07
   Also not sure if this statement is = necessary. Please either correct or remove this.
[Les:] The abstract and = introduction state =E2=80=9Cwithin IGP topologies=E2=80=9D.  In = that context I believe limiting the protocols mentioned to IGPs is = appropriate.
 
b.
 
   where all = types in this document are described as well as   = [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing] is referred for other types.
 
 
 2. Section 2.1
a. "The 'Prefix SID' = MUST   be unique within a given IGP domain (when the L-flag is = not set)."
 
   I see = this is conflicting with what's been defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-1= 4,
section 3.3 -
   "Within an anycast group, all = routers in an SR domain MUST advertise  the same prefix with = the same SID value."
 
   If you see otherwise please explain = why?
 
[Les:] This is a = misunderstanding on your part.
An anycast prefix may be advertised by multiple nodes, but = the Prefix SID associated with the prefix is the same regardless of = which node advertises it. So there is no contradiction/conflict = here.
 
 
b. "A 4 octet index defining.."
What happens  to the = computed label value if the index is of 4 octets value? I am asking this = as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label (SRGB offset + index) = would be only 20 bits. 
Can you point (if = any)  references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-m= pls appropriate = sections -  is this is addressed there?
 
[Les:] See https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-m= pls-14#section-2.4 (emphasis added):
 
=E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I = < size. If the index "I" does not satisfy the previous
      inequality, then the label cannot be = calculated.=E2=80=9D
 
c. "A Prefix-SID = sub-TLV is associated to a prefix advertised by a node =    and MAY be present in any of the following TLVs:"
 
  =    Nit: Perhaps the list should include Section 2.5 = too.
[Les:] Added a reference to 2.5 as well. See attached diffs. = Thanx.
 
3. Section 2.2.1
   
a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..."
 
     Not sure why this has to do with = encapsulation? What happens if native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using = this SID with out any encapsulation? Could you please clarify.
 
[Les:] When the packet is forwarded over the specified = outgoing interface it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 = encapsulation i.e., the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 = protocol. 
This does not mean that a new AFI specific header is = imposed.
  
4. Section 2.2.2
 
a. Nit: V and L = flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can instead refer to section = 2.2.1
 
 
[Les:] The text says:
=E2=80=9C where F, B, V, L, S and P flags are defined in = Section 2.2.1.=E2=80=9D
 
???
 
 
5. Section 3.2 and = Section 2.1
 
    Could you please clarify = what is preferred if multiple prefix-sids with different algorithm = values are advertised for the same SID value? 
 
[Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80= =9D here. In order to have algorithm specific forwarding entries we MUST = have different SIDs for each algorithm. A router will use the SID which = matches the algorithm associated with the forwarding entry.
 
     = Les
 
--
Uma C.

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Please find my further response below* [Uma]:* -- Uma C. On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) < ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote: > Uma =E2=80=93 > > > > Thanx for the prompt review. > > > > 2. Section 2.1 > > > > a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP domain (when the > L-flag is not set)." > > > > I see this is conflicting with what's been defined in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14, > > section 3.3 - > > "Within an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST > advertise the same prefix with the same SID value." > > > > If you see otherwise please explain why? > > > > *[Les:] This is a misunderstanding on your part.* > > *An anycast prefix may be advertised by multiple nodes, but the Prefix SI= D > associated with the prefix is the same regardless of which node advertise= s > it. So there is no contradiction/conflict here.* > > > *[Uma]: I understood the intention.* *This doc says - "The 'Prefix SID' MUST be unique within a given IGP domain (when the L-flag is not set)." * *And it won't give any exception for "anycast group" either in the text or through reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-14 .* > > > b. "A 4 octet index defining.." > > What happens to the computed label value if the index is of 4 octets > value? I am asking this as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label > (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits. > > Can you point (if any) references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls appropriate sections - is this is > addressed there? > > > > *[Les:] See > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-14#sec= tion-2.4 > > (emphasis added):* > > > > *=E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I < size. If the index "I" does not satisfy the previou= s* > > * inequality, **then the label cannot be calculated**.=E2=80=9D* > *[Uma]: Thanks for the pointer. I am fine with keeping this at a common place but this document needs a generic reference specifically for some of the conflict/error conditions to that.* > > > 3. Section 2.2.1 > > > > a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..." > > > > Not sure why this has to do with encapsulation? What happens if > native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using this SID with out any encapsulation= ? > Could you please clarify. > > > > *[Les:] When the packet is forwarded over the specified outgoing interfac= e > it will either have an IPv4 encapsulation or an IPv6 encapsulation i.e., > the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 protocol. * > > *This does not mean that a new AFI specific header is imposed.* > > > *[Uma]: Thanks. I didn't expect payload encapsulation with L3 in IS-IS document. I see this is derived from the base TLV where this sub-TLV belongs to (22/222/223 etc.). This sounded like additional encap and hence my comment.* *But one of my larger point here is why a sub-TLV has to specify/define AF. This is the property of the associated TLV/MT-aware TLV.* *I understand this could be too late to change here but this additional information should not conflict with base while usage. * *One incorrect usage *example* of this sub-TLV with AF unset (IPv4) in TLV 222 with MT-ID=3D2 (IPv6).* *As it stands this combinations valid/allowed. Perhaps some text around this would be helpful.* > 4. Section 2.2.2 > > > > a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and perhaps it can instead > refer to section 2.2.1 > > > > > > *[Les:] The text says:* > > *=E2=80=9C where F, B, V, L, S and P flags are defined in Section 2.2.1.= =E2=80=9D* > > > > *???* > *[Uma]: Sorry - I should have been more specific. Was referring to duplicated text in Section 2.2.1 and 2.2.2* " * A 3 octet local label where the 20 rightmost bits are used for encoding the label value. In this case the V and L flags MUST be set. * A 4 octet index defining the offset in the SID/Label space advertised by this router using the encodings defined in Section 3.1 . In this case V and L flags MUST be unset." > > > > 5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1 > > > > Could you please clarify what is preferred if multiple prefix-sids > with different algorithm values are advertised for the same SID value? > > > > *[Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpreference=E2=80=9D here. In order to have a= lgorithm specific > forwarding entries we MUST have different SIDs for each algorithm. A rout= er > will use the SID which matches the algorithm associated with the forwardi= ng > entry.* > *[Uma]: ..and IMO, this should be specified. * --00000000000024682a056e75c278 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Les,

Thanks for your quick response and= changes in the document. Please find my further response below [Uma]:

--
Uma C.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Les G= insberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

Uma =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

Thanx for the prompt review.

=C2=A0

=C2=A02. Section = 2.1

=C2=A0

a. "The 'Prefix SID' MUST =C2=A0=C2=A0= be unique within a given IGP domain (when the L-flag is not set)."<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see this is conflicting with what= 9;s been defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segm= ent-routing-14,

section 3.3 -<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Withi= n an anycast group, all routers in an SR domain MUST advertise=C2=A0=C2=A0t= he same prefix with the same SID value."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you see otherwise please explain wh= y?

=C2=A0

[Les:] This is a misunde= rstanding on your part.

An anycast prefix may be advert= ised by multiple nodes, but the Prefix SID associated with the prefix is th= e same regardless of which node advertises it. So there is no contradiction/conflict here.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0
[Uma]:=C2=A0 I understood the intention.

This doc says -=C2=A0"The &= #39;Prefix SID' MUST =C2=A0=C2=A0be unique within a given IGP domain (w= hen the L-flag is not set)."=C2=A0
And it won't give any exception for "any= cast group" either in the text or through reference to=C2=A0 draft-ietf-spring-segmen= t-routing-14.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

b. "A 4 octet index defining.."=

What happens=C2=A0 to t= he computed label value if the index is of 4 octets value? I am asking this= as index can have 4 octets but the eventual label (SRGB offset + index) would be only 20 bits.

Can you point (if any)= =C2=A0 references to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-se= gment-routing-mpls appropriate sections -=C2=A0 is this is address= ed there?

=C2=A0

[Les:] See https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpl= s-14#section-2.4 (emphasis added):

=C2=A0=

= =E2=80=9C 0 =3D< I < size. If the index "I" does not satisf= y the previous

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = inequality, then the label cannot be calculated<= /i>.=E2=80=9D

=
=C2=A0
[Uma]: Thanks for the poi= nter. I am fine with keeping this at a common place but this document=C2=A0= needs a generic reference specifically for some of the conflict/error cond= itions to that.
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3. Section 2.2.1

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

a. "F-Flag: Address-Family flag..."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not sure why this has to d= o with encapsulation? What happens if native IPv4/IPv6 data packet is using= this SID with out any encapsulation? Could you please clarify.

=C2=A0

[Les:] When the packet i= s forwarded over the specified outgoing interface it will either have an IP= v4 encapsulation or an IPv6 encapsulation i.e., the payload is encapsulated in the afi specific L3 protocol. =

This does not mean that a new A= FI specific header is imposed.

=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0
[Uma]: Thanks.=C2=A0 I didn&= #39;t expect payload encapsulation with L3 in IS-IS document. I see this is= derived from the base TLV where this sub-TLV belongs to (22/222/223 etc.).= This sounded like additional encap and hence my comment.
=
But one of my larger point here is why a sub-TLV has = to specify/define AF. This is the property of the associated TLV/MT-aware T= LV.
I understand this could be too late to change here but= this additional information should not conflict with base while usage.=C2= =A0
One incorrect usage *example* of this sub-TLV with AF = unset (IPv4) in TLV 222 with MT-ID=3D2 (IPv6).

As it stands this combinations valid/allowed. Perhaps some text = around this would be helpful.

=C2=A0

4. Section 2.2.2

=C2=A0

a. Nit: V and L flags: Content is duplicated and pe= rhaps it can instead refer to section 2.2.1

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[Les:] The text says:=

=E2=80=9C where F, B, V, L, S a= nd P flags are defined in Section 2.2.1.=E2=80=9D<= /b>

=C2=A0=

???


[Uma]: Sorry - I s= hould have been more specific. Was referring to duplicated text in Section = 2.2.1 and 2.2.2

=C2=A0" 
      *  A 3 octet local label where t=
he 20 rightmost bits are used for
         encoding the label value.  In this case the V and L flags MUST
         be set.

      *  A 4 octet index defining the offset in the SID/Label space
         advertised by this router using the encodings defined in
         Section 3.1.  In this case V and L flag=
s MUST be unset."

<= div>

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

5. Section 3.2 and Section 2.1

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Could you please clarify what is prefe= rred if multiple prefix-sids with different algorithm values are advertised= for the same SID value?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[Les:] There is no =E2=80=9Cpre= ference=E2=80=9D here. In order to have algorithm specific forwarding entri= es we MUST have different SIDs for each algorithm. A router will use the SID which matches the algorithm associated with the forwarding ent= ry.


<= /div>
[Uma]: ..and IMO, this should be specified.=C2=A0

=C2=A0