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[73.158.115.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f67sm3251732pff.29.2018.12.01.19.12.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Dec 2018 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: Tony Li From: tony.li@tony.li Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_291114AE-48C4-4C42-A73B-426A7579D981" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 19:12:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4221EF3E-E369-469D-AAAC-F8DDE24E981E@cisco.com> Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" References: <4221EF3E-E369-469D-AAAC-F8DDE24E981E@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 03:13:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_291114AE-48C4-4C42-A73B-426A7579D981 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I support adopting this draft. Tony > On Dec 1, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > This begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As = anyone who has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of = proposal in this space. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple = IS-IS extension doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other = more disruptive flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is = some implementation momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt = to be transparent and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please = post your comments to this list before 12:00 AM, December 16th, 2018. > =20 > With respect to the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our = next steps. > =20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr = --Apple-Mail=_291114AE-48C4-4C42-A73B-426A7579D981 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

I support adopting this draft.

Tony


On Dec 1, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Acee Lindem = (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

This begins a two-week WG adoption = call for the subject draft. As anyone who has been following the topic = knows, there are a lot of proposal in this space. However, as WG = co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension doesn=E2=80=99t really = conflict with any of the other more disruptive flooding proposals. Also, = it is more mature and there is some implementation momentum. Note that = I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transparent and it is perfectly = ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list before = 12:00 AM, December 16th, 2018.
 
With respect to = the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next steps.
 
Thanks,
Acee 
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Peter On 02/12/18 01:54 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > This begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone > who has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in > this space. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS > extension doesn’t really conflict with any of the other more disruptive > flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some > implementation momentum. Note that I’m making every attempt to be > transparent and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. 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On 02.12.2018, at 01:54, Acee Lindem (acee) &= lt;acee@cisco.com> wrote:

This begins a two-we= ek WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone who has been following t= he topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in this space. However, as WG co= -chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disrup= tive flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some implement= ation momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transparent= and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list before 12:00 AM, December 16th<= /sup>, 2018.

 

With respect to the m= ore disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next steps.

 

Thanks,

Acee

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<51274DD6-5C33-4197-825E-1125CF36A756@gmail.com> References: <4221EF3E-E369-469D-AAAC-F8DDE24E981E@cisco.com> To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 19:13:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5A4CCF01-9018-4452-B70B-5EEA3AFCCC13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Regards, Jeff > On Dec 1, 2018, at 16:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > This begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone w= ho has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in this s= pace. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension doesn=E2= =80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disruptive flooding propo= sals. Also, it is more mature and there is some implementation momentum. Not= e that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transparent and it is perfectl= y ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list before 12:0= 0 AM, December 16th, 2018. > =20 > With respect to the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next s= teps. > =20 > Thanks, > Acee > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail-5A4CCF01-9018-4452-B70B-5EEA3AFCCC13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support

Regards,
Jeff

On Dec 1= , 2018, at 16:54, Acee Lindem (acee) <a= cee@cisco.com> wrote:

This begins a two-we= ek WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone who has been following t= he topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in this space. However, as WG co= -chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disrup= tive flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some implement= ation momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transparent= and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list before 12:00 AM, December 16th<= /sup>, 2018.

 

With respect to the m= ore disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next steps.

 

Thanks,

Acee

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Cheers, -Mohan On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 7:55 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > This begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone = who has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in this= space. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension does= n=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disruptive flooding = proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some implementation momentu= m. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transparent and it is p= erfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list bef= ore 12:00 AM, December 16th, 2018. > > > > With respect to the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next= steps. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Sun Dec 2 13:58:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404EF130DC3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 13:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.958 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.958 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a9722d057c16d3d6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 04:46:10 -0000 --000000000000a9722d057c16d3d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. Thanks, Ayan On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 4:54 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > This begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone > who has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in th= is > space. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension > doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disruptive flo= oding > proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some implementation > momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transparent an= d it is > perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list > before 12:00 AM, December 16th, 2018. > > > > With respect to the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next > steps. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --000000000000a9722d057c16d3d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.

Thanks,
A= yan

On Sat, = Dec 1, 2018 at 4:54 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

This begins a two-w= eek WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone who has been followin= g the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in this space. However, as W= G co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disru= ptive flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some impleme= ntation momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to be transpar= ent and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post your comments to this list before 12:00 AM, December 16th= , 2018.

=C2=A0

With respect to the= more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next steps.

=C2=A0

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--000000000000a9722d057c16d3d6-- From nobody Mon Dec 3 06:42:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5823C130E19; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 06:42:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154384812235.18300.11710871832133431074.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:42:02 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19=3A_=28with_COMMEN?= =?utf-8?q?T=29?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 14:42:03 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minor comments: 1) In intro: "...while an adjacency segment, in most cases, is a one-hop path." Is that true, that in _most_ cases it is one hop? I though SR makes most sense in order to specify routers/hops that need to be visited, not matter how many hops are in between. 2) The contributor section has the following statement: "The following people gave a substantial contribution to the content of this document and should be considered as co-authors:" Should this section then not be called "Authors" instead? From nobody Mon Dec 3 07:01:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA454130E8F; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:01:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7QuhFxh9W34X; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE22130E23; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:01:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1885; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1543849284; x=1545058884; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yNYSgYjxbXcyp5dk5yMywtTV1JYPxouxuUGr5y92uEk=; b=iNnonfvo3julnbYtuhK0vDD4iV3/9+OpFD9D1mg86uXSDH+1b11W7fmk TuOW7+vel91Ga0R+jejhEyR6j+5Jggd8dJ5YxfGRu9FELHoROwQmMcAhQ ZsJ9yCQVAQvairPgYlgfUsqtrdcz6nh/t68y6KrkpvAacUWncZJ9IybRM I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,310,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8554704" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 03 Dec 2018 15:01:21 +0000 Received: from [10.147.24.26] ([10.147.24.26]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB3F1LXa006207; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 15:01:21 GMT Message-ID: <5C054541.8000409@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:01:21 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?TWlyamEgS8O8aGxld2luZA==?= , The IESG CC: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org References: <154384812235.18300.11710871832133431074.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154384812235.18300.11710871832133431074.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.26, [10.147.24.26] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19=3A_=28with_COMMEN?= =?utf-8?q?T=29?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 15:01:27 -0000 Hi Mirja, please see inline: On 03/12/18 15:42 , Mirja Kühlewind wrote: > Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Minor comments: > 1) In intro: "...while an adjacency segment, in > most cases, is a one-hop path." > Is that true, that in _most_ cases it is one hop? the text is referring to adjacency segment, which is local and only programmed on the node where the adjacency exists and its path is representing the path to the adjacent neighbor. This is contrary to prefix segment, which is global and programmed on all routers, so can represent a multi-hop path. > I though SR makes most sense > in order to specify routers/hops that need to be visited, not matter how many > hops are in between. > > 2) The contributor section has the following statement: > "The following people gave a substantial contribution to the content > of this document and should be considered as co-authors:" > Should this section then not be called "Authors" instead? we had too many authors and Alvaro suggested we move them to Contributors section. thanks, Peter > > > . > From nobody Mon Dec 3 07:23:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEAE12D4EB; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:23:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOEb0aQOC0PZ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22A41130E35; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82ceada00d118188815e95600.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cea:da00:d118:1888:15e9:5600]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1gTq4X-0000PE-6b; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:23:45 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <5C054541.8000409@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:23:43 +0100 Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <154384812235.18300.11710871832133431074.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5C054541.8000409@cisco.com> To: Peter Psenak X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1543850631;79d809df; X-HE-SMSGID: 1gTq4X-0000PE-6b Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19=3A_=28with_COMMEN?= =?utf-8?q?T=29?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 15:23:53 -0000 > Am 03.12.2018 um 16:01 schrieb Peter Psenak : >=20 >> 2) The contributor section has the following statement: >> "The following people gave a substantial contribution to the content >> of this document and should be considered as co-authors:" >> Should this section then not be called "Authors" instead? >=20 > we had too many authors and Alvaro suggested we move them to = Contributors section. We do have both Contributors and Authors section in some published RFC. = Contributors is often used if the doc is a collection on (independent) = contributions (e.g. some kind of survey docs), while if the intention = was to just move the authors from the front page to the back, the = section should probably be called =E2=80=9EAuthors=E2=80=9C or = =E2=80=9EAdditional Authors=E2=80=9C. Please double-check with Alvaro. Mirja From nobody Mon Dec 3 07:31:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C3812D4EB; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:31:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5p31tBu91vi; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60738128766; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82ceada00d118188815e95600.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cea:da00:d118:1888:15e9:5600]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1gTqBs-0000Kl-GZ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:31:20 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <5C054541.8000409@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:31:19 +0100 Cc: The IESG , lsr@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <96C60EDC-ECD5-4385-8A3D-7AC624AA11C3@kuehlewind.net> References: <154384812235.18300.11710871832133431074.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5C054541.8000409@cisco.com> To: Peter Psenak X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1543851084;c4cee31f; X-HE-SMSGID: 1gTqBs-0000Kl-GZ Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19=3A_=28with_COMMEN?= =?utf-8?q?T=29?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 15:31:26 -0000 > Am 03.12.2018 um 16:01 schrieb Peter Psenak : >=20 >> Minor comments: >> 1) In intro: "...while an adjacency segment, in >> most cases, is a one-hop path." >> Is that true, that in _most_ cases it is one hop? >=20 > the text is referring to adjacency segment, which is local and only = programmed on the node where the adjacency exists and its path is = representing the path to the adjacent neighbor. This is contrary to = prefix segment, which is global and programmed on all routers, so can = represent a multi-hop path. Ah, wasn=E2=80=99t really aware that adjacency segment is a well-defined = term here.=20 Thanks! Mirja From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:40:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2D6130EF9; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:40:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385885344.18275.14244520421111601833@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:40:53 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] IPR Disclosure Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belonging to Chemtron Research LLC X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:40:53 -0000 Dear Naiming Shen, Shane Amante, Mikael Abrahamsson: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "IS-IS Routing with Reverse Metric" (draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3350/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belonging to Chemtron Research LLC" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Dec 3 11:19:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9870E130E79; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 11:19:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Pete Resnick To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154386478357.4938.10701933464978005263@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 11:19:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:19:44 -0000 Reviewer: Pete Resnick Review result: Ready with Issues I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19 Reviewer: Pete Resnick Review Date: 2018-12-03 IETF LC End Date: 2018-11-16 IESG Telechat date: 2018-12-06 Summary: I think this document is ready, and I certainly don't want to stand in the way of it moving forward, but I do want to note the following issues I mentioned in my previous review. The document editor notes that similar sorts of things have been done in previous OSPF document without problems, but they still make me nervous. Thanks to the editor for quickly addressing all of the issues in my previous review. Major/minor issues: In 3.1: Length: Either 3 or 4 octets SID/Label: If length is set to 3, then the 20 rightmost bits represent a label. If length is set to 4, then the value represents a 32-bit SID. This sort of mechanism worries me. The Length is not a length, but rather a flag. This means you can't have a general parsing implementation, as it would treat the field as a length and get the left-most 24 bits when the value is 3. Even if the implementation chooses the right-most 24 bits, it's only supposed to take the right-most 20 bits and mask off the extra 4 bits, which are not required to be zeroed. I understand that similar things have been done before without problems, but this seems like an implementation accident waiting to happen. In 7.1 and 7.2: When the V-flag is set (making SID/Index/Label is a label), the value is in the low 20 bits of the first 3 bytes of the field (i.e., bits 4-23). As with the comment regarding 3.1, this seems like it has the potential for implementation problems. You could explicitly say to mask of bits 0-3 and 24-31 (since there is no requirement for producing implementations to clear those bits) and shift the value 8 bits to the right, but this just seems like a bad way to design this. That said, I again understand that similar things have been done before without problems. Nits/editorial comments: None. From nobody Mon Dec 3 12:58:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E467130EC3; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:58:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154387072008.4908.5183579303912581701@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 12:58:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:58:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Peter Psenak Stefano Previdi Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2018-12-03 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment Routing with MPLS data plane. 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This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Stefano Previdi Les Ginsberg Clarence Filsfils Ahmed Bashandy Hannes Gredler Bruno Decraene Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2018-12-03 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. 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Although the differences were not conflicting it might have been confusing = to readers of the three specifications and suggest (unintentionally) that t= he three protocols used these bits in different ways. To eliminate any confusion we have updated all three of these drafts. They = all now explicitly state which combinations of V and L bits are valid, what= each combination means, and require that invalid combinations MUST be disc= arded on receive. We emphasize that this is not a specification change - but a clarification.= We believe all existing implementations are compatible with the revised la= nguage. Les (on behalf of all the drafts) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2018 1:03 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.= txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing > Authors : Stefano Previdi > Les Ginsberg > Clarence Filsfils > Ahmed Bashandy > Hannes Gredler > Bruno Decraene > Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2018-12-03 >=20 > Abstract: > Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end > paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of > topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are > advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). >=20 > This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be > introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensio= ns/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > extensions-21 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > extensions-21 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Mon Dec 3 13:10:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA4012D4E8 for ; 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Although the differences were not conflicting it might have been confusing = to readers of the three specifications and suggest (unintentionally) that t= he three protocols used these bits in different ways. To eliminate any confusion we have updated all three of these drafts. They = all now explicitly state which combinations of V and L bits are valid, what= each combination means, and require that invalid combinations MUST be disc= arded on receive. We emphasize that this is not a specification change - but a clarification.= We believe all existing implementations are compatible with the revised la= nguage. Les (on behalf of all the drafts) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2018 1:03 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.= txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing > Authors : Stefano Previdi > Les Ginsberg > Clarence Filsfils > Ahmed Bashandy > Hannes Gredler > Bruno Decraene > Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2018-12-03 >=20 > Abstract: > Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end > paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of > topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are > advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). >=20 > This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be > introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensio= ns/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > extensions-21 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > extensions-21 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > 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<154385885344.18275.14244520421111601833@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <154385885344.18275.14244520421111601833@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Airmail (528) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:11:16 -0800 Message-ID: To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, Christian Hopps Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008aa810057c256de2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Disclosure Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belonging to Chemtron Research LLC X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:11:21 -0000 --0000000000008aa810057c256de2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear lsr WG: The filing of this IRP disclosure against draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric is the result of the IESG Evaluation of the document, where one of the reviewers decided he needed to make a third-party IPR disclosure (see details below). A third-party disclosure is one where the IPR "is not owned or controlled by an IETF Participant or his or her sponsor or employer=E2=80=9D (rfc8179) =E2=80=94 this means that information such as t= he licensing terms may not have been included. This document has already been approved by the IESG for Publication. I=E2= =80=99m holding it waiting for an update from the IETF Last Call comments. In the meantime, please let us (the WG) know if you has any concerns with the publication of this document in light of this new IPR declaration. Please do so by end-of-day on December 10, 2019. Thanks! Alvaro. On December 3, 2018 at 12:41:25 PM, IETF Secretariat (ietf-ipr@ietf.org) wrote: Dear Naiming Shen, Shane Amante, Mikael Abrahamsson: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "IS-IS Routing with Reverse Metric" (draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3350/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belonging to Chemtron Research LLC" Thank you IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --0000000000008aa810057c256de2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear lsr WG:

The filing of this IRP disclosure against=C2=A0d= raft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric is the result of the IESG Evaluation of the d= ocument, where one of the reviewers decided he needed to make a third-party= IPR disclosure (see details below).=C2=A0 A third-party disclosure is one = where the IPR "is not owned or controlled by an IETF Participan= t or his or her sponsor or employer=E2=80=9D (rfc8179) =E2=80=94 this means= that information such as the licensing terms may not have been included.

This document has already been appro= ved by the IESG for Publication.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m holding it waiting for a= n update from the IETF Last Call comments.

In the meantime, please let us (the WG) know if you has any concern= s with the publication of this document in light of this new IPR declaratio= n.=C2=A0 Please do so by end-of-day on December 10, 2019.

Thanks!

Alva= ro.

=C2=A0

On December 3, 2018 = at 12:41:25 PM, IETF Secretariat (ietf= -ipr@ietf.org) wrote:

=
Dear Naiming Shen, Shane Amante, Mikael Abrahams= son:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "I= S-IS
Routing with Reverse Metric" (draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric) was
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "= IETF Page
of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker= .ietf.org/ipr/3350/). The title of the IPR disclosure is
"Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to
draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belon= ging
to Chemtron Research LLC"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat

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--0000000000008aa810057c256de2-- From nobody Mon Dec 3 14:33:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD68412426E; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5098r8TZd44e; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from episteme.net (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B21B130DF2; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1D86F45194; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:33:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from episteme.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (episteme.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ugQkeMk-7asp; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:33:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from [172.16.1.76] (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E5FC36F4518A; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:33:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Pete Resnick" To: "Acee Lindem" Cc: gen-art@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:33:03 -0600 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.2r5568) Message-ID: <9A38B12D-EAB4-410B-AEE5-9645C0356E96@episteme.net> In-Reply-To: References: <154386478357.4938.10701933464978005263@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-19 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:33:13 -0000 Hi Acee, On 3 Dec 2018, at 15:46, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Pete, > > While both you and I would have done it differently, the variable = > length SID encoding across the three LSR protocols (OSPFv2, OSPFv3, = > and IS-IS) has been implemented, deployed, and will not be changed = > during the IESG review (you'll note these SR protocol drafts have been = > in development for over 5 years). There is, however, an update to all = > three which clarifies the usage of the flags. See (for example): > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=3D--hwdiff&url2=3Ddraft-iet= f-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20.txt > > Thanks, > Acee (Document Shepherd and LSR Co-chair) Totally understood, and that's why I said that I certainly don't want to = stand in the way of the doc. And I appreciate the clarification in -20; = it helps. My job as a GenART reviewer is to make sure that the Gen AD is = aware of any issues. I think it's highly unlikely that she (or anyone on = the IESG) would balk at this point in history. Thanks for your (and Peter's) quick replies to these reviews. pr -- = Pete Resnick http://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best From nobody Mon Dec 3 17:36:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8191130DCE; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:36:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154388738885.31771.13219741885987661989@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:36:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 01:36:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Routing with Reverse Metric Authors : Naiming Shen Shane Amante Mikael Abrahamsson Filename : draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2018-12-03 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism to allow IS-IS routing to quickly and accurately shift traffic away from either a point-to-point or multi-access LAN interface during network maintenance or other operational events. This is accomplished by signaling adjacent IS-IS neighbors with a higher reverse metric, i.e., the metric towards the signaling IS-IS router. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/Support. =20 It=E2=80=99s one viable way to consider the flooding reduction mechanism = under special topology first, and then cover other minor/unexpected = scenario. For current document, after discussing with the authors offline, I think = we should consider additional/supplement scenario that there are links = are added between leaf nodes, by accident or in redundancy = consideration.=20 =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 = 8:55 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for "IS-IS Routing for = Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07 =20 This begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone = who has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in = this space. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS = extension doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more = disruptive flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some = implementation momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to = be transparent and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post = your comments to this list before 12:00 AM, December 16th, 2018.=20 =20 With respect to the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our = next steps.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01D48BCA.79D9D280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/Support.

 

It=E2=80=99s one viable way to = consider the flooding reduction mechanism under special topology first, = and then cover other minor/unexpected scenario.

For current document, after = discussing with the authors offline, I think we should consider = additional/supplement scenario that there are links are added between = leaf nodes, by accident or in redundancy =C2=A0consideration. =

 

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

Network R&D = and Operation Support Department

China Telecom = Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Acee Lindem = (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2018=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 8:55
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for = "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - = draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07

 

This = begins a two-week WG adoption call for the subject draft. As anyone who = has been following the topic knows, there are a lot of proposal in this = space. However, as WG co-chair, I believe this simple IS-IS extension = doesn=E2=80=99t really conflict with any of the other more disruptive = flooding proposals. Also, it is more mature and there is some = implementation momentum. Note that I=E2=80=99m making every attempt to = be transparent and it is perfectly ok to disagree with me. Please post = your comments to this list before 12:00 AM, December 16th, = 2018.

 

With = respect to the more disruptive proposals, we are discussing our next = steps.

 

Thanks,

Acee =

------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01D48BCA.79D9D280-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 01:49:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27BF130E01; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 01:49:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Vigoureux To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154391699192.4632.16900265463036458603.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 01:49:51 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 09:49:52 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, thank you for this document. I do have the usual IESG comment of suggesting to use RFC 8174 text for the requirement language, and also have a suggestion: In section 7.2 you say: When the P-flag is not set, the Adj-SID MAY be persistent. When the P-flag is set, the Adj-SID MUST be persistent. Because we're in the LAN Adjacency section you may want to qualify the Adj-SID as being a LAN one. From nobody Tue Dec 4 07:07:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAC012F18C; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 07:07:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154393605325.4969.13841256880097688875@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 07:07:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 15:07:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IGP extension for PCEP security capability support in the PCE discovery Authors : Diego R. Lopez Qin Wu Dhruv Dhody Michael Wang Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2018-12-04 Abstract: When a Path Computation Element (PCE) is a Label Switching Router (LSR) participating in the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP), or even a server participating in IGP, its presence and path computation capabilities can be advertised using IGP flooding. The IGP extensions for PCE discovery (RFC 5088 and RFC 5089) define a method to advertise path computation capabilities using IGP flooding for OSPF and IS-IS respectively. However these specifications lack a method to advertise PCEP security (e.g., Transport Layer Security(TLS), TCP Authentication Option (TCP-AO)) support capability. This document proposes new capability flag bits for PCE-CAP-FLAGS sub-TLV that can be announced as attribute in the IGP advertisement to distribute PCEP security support information. In addition, this document updates RFC 5088 and RFC 5089 to allow advertisement of Key ID or Key Chain Name Sub-TLV to support TCP AO security capability. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for IS-IS protocol Authors : Stephane Litkowski Derek Yeung Acee Lindem Jeffrey Zhang Ladislav Lhotka Filename : draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-26.txt Pages : 114 Date : 2018-12-04 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage IS-IS protocol on network elements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-26 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-26 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-26 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:40:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Spencer Dawkins To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154394880135.4620.12307141022996623217.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 10:40:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:40:02 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these paragraphs were much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bottom of the section now. This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment Routing with MPLS data plane. Segment Routing architecture is described in [RFC8402]. Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7855]. With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion in the Introduction would still be required, but do the right thing, of course. I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract, Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment Routing with MPLS data plane. if it was more than two paragraphs long ... I am thinking that the reference There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID defined in [RFC8402]. would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because that's where you list the additional segment types, but the reference is back in the Introduction (with only one example of the segment types). I'm thinking the SHOULD in this text Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340] and [RFC8362] apply to these segment routing extensions. While OSPFv3 is under a single administrative domain, there can be deployments where potential attackers have access to one or more networks in the OSPFv3 routing domain. In these deployments, stronger authentication mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] SHOULD be used. is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so something like In these deployments, stronger authentication mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] are needed. would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why you wouldn't use stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You might want to add guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU WON'T) as defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1. Is there another document that says things like Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV defined in this document are detected and do not provide a vulnerability for attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing process. Reception of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted and/or logged for further analysis. Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs SHOULD be rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS) attack (distributed or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 control plane. ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm guessing. If there's a broader document, I don't object to including this guidance here, but adding a reference to a broader document might be useful. From nobody Tue Dec 4 11:12:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EDA130E62; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:12:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org, jclarke@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154395073587.4979.2655603666535044846.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:12:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:12:16 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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Acee and Peter, thanks for your responses. = I entered a No Objection ballot. I can see Pete=E2=80=99s concern but = I=E2=80=99m hopeful that given the existing deployment experience and = the added clarification in the -20 the concern will be mitigated in = practice. Alissa > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: >=20 > Hi Acee, >=20 > On 3 Dec 2018, at 15:46, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 >> Hi Pete, >>=20 >> While both you and I would have done it differently, the variable = length SID encoding across the three LSR protocols (OSPFv2, OSPFv3, and = IS-IS) has been implemented, deployed, and will not be changed during = the IESG review (you'll note these SR protocol drafts have been in = development for over 5 years). There is, however, an update to all three = which clarifies the usage of the flags. See (for example): >>=20 >> = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=3D--hwdiff&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-= ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20.txt >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee (Document Shepherd and LSR Co-chair) >=20 > Totally understood, and that's why I said that I certainly don't want = to stand in the way of the doc. And I appreciate the clarification in = -20; it helps. My job as a GenART reviewer is to make sure that the Gen = AD is aware of any issues. I think it's highly unlikely that she (or = anyone on the IESG) would balk at this point in history. >=20 > Thanks for your (and Peter's) quick replies to these reviews. >=20 > pr >=20 > --=20 > Pete Resnick http://www.episteme.net/ > All connections to the world are tenuous at best >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Tue Dec 4 13:40:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC3E1286E3; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 13:40:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154395963250.4587.17708566613943526998.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 13:40:32 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 21:40:33 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please use the RFC 8147 boilerplate rather than the RFC 2119 boilerplate. 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draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 03:44:11 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the extensibility model for the "AF" (address family) field in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV? That is, what do we need to say about current implementations' behavior to allow future changes? (I also a little bit wonder if we really need a full eight bits, but that's basically aesthetic.) Some of the text in Section 8.1 (see the COMMENT section) reads like it might have an "Updates" relationship with other documents, but I don't know enough to be sure. Hopefully we can have a conversation to clarify the situation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1 Is there a start of the separate document that covers SR with the IPv6 data plane that we could reference from here? Section 5 In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], is an example of where a single advertisement is needed to advertise SIDs for multiple prefixes from a contiguous address range. I note that the referenced document does not use the word "range" to describe the prefix being assigned multiple SIDs; it might be helpful to say a few more words about how the range of prefixes gets mapped to what is discussed in the linked document. I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 and a range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is encoded as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? Or am I constrained to be a subset of 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I would suggest stating this explictly, here. Section 6 Should there be any discussion of the historical or future reasons why V and L are separate flag bits, given that the only legal combinations are currently 00 and 11, i.e., fully redundant? It may not be necessary to expand ASBR on first usage here, since it's in the terminology section (and marked as "well-known" at https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt). If the NP-Flag is not set, then any upstream neighbor of the Prefix- SID originator MUST pop the Prefix-SID. This is equivalent to the penultimate hop popping mechanism used in the MPLS dataplane. If the NP-flag is not set, then the received E-flag is ignored. Is it going to be clear that "pop" only applies when this Prefix-SID is the outermost label? (Or am I super-confused about how this is supposed to work?) A similar consideration may apply to the discussion of the NP flag as well. Also some redundantly expanded ABR and ASBR here as well. This is useful, e.g., when the originator of the Prefix- SID is the final destination for the related prefix and the originator wishes to receive the packet with the original EXP bits. Are we still supposed to call these the EXP bits after RFC 5462? (I had to look up what they were; not sure if this means that we should put a reference in for them or not, given that I'm not a practitioner here.) When the M-Flag is set, the NP-flag and the E-flag MUST be ignored on reception. Do I understand this correctly that this is because the mapping server may not know the needs of the individual routers, and if the routers had specific needs they should advertise the SIDs directly (which would take precedence over the mapping server's advertisement)? If so, given the following discussion, I wouldn't suggest adding any extra text about it, but I do want to make sure I'm understanding it properly. When a Prefix-SID is advertised in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV, then the value advertised in the Prefix SID Sub-TLV is interpreted as a starting SID/Label value. Am I remembering correctly that Prefix-SID can appear multiple times within OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range? Then each Prefix-SID would be indicating a distinct range but adhering to the same parameters of the range that are indicated in the Extended Prefix Range TLV? This seems a little weird on the face of it (as opposed to a single Prefix-SID sub-TLV per Extended Prefix Range), but maybe there's a use case that I'm missing on first glance. Section 7.1 (Probably off-topic: what's the use case for assigning the same Adj-SID to different adjacencies?) Section 7.2 Perhaps add DR to the terminology section (or expand on first usage)? Section 8.1 When a Prefix-SID is advertised by the Mapping Server, which is indicated by the M-flag in the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV (Section 6), the route type as implied by the LSA type is ignored and the Prefix-SID is bound to the corresponding prefix independent of the route type. Is this considered to be Update-ing the behavior of another RFC? Advertisement of the Prefix-SID by the Mapping Server using an Inter- Area Prefix TLV, External-Prefix TLV, or Intra-Area-Prefix TLV [RFC8362] does not itself contribute to the prefix reachability. The NU-bit MUST be set in the PrefixOptions field of the LSA which is used by the Mapping Server to advertise SID or SID Range, which prevents the advertisement from contributing to prefix reachability. This MUST reads like it is restating an existing normative requirement from elsewhere (in which case we should probably just state it as fact and provide a reference). Or is it a new requirement (in which case Updates: might be in order)? Area-scoped OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLVs are propagated between areas. Similar to propagation of prefixes between areas, an ABR only propagates the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV that it considers to be the best from the set it received. The rules used to pick the best OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV are described in Section 5. I don't see any usage of "best" in Section 5; I do see direction to use the numerically smallest Instance ID when multiple Extended Prefix Range TLVs advertise *the exact same range*. But this in and of itself does not safisfy the claim here that there is guidance to pick a single best Extended Prefix Range TLV, so I'm left confused as to what's supposed to happen. Perhaps this was intended as a transition to Section 8.2 instead of referring back to Section 5 (especially considering that Section 8.1 is supposed to be intra-area but this topic is inter-area)? (This sort of dangling/unclear internal reference would normally be a DISCUSS, but it seems very likely this is just a stale section number and not a real problem, so I'm keeping it in the COMMENT section for now.) Section 8.4.1 Do we need a reference for 2-Way and FULL? Section 9 I would normally expect some text about "IANA has made permanent the following temporary allocations" or similar, so the reader can quickly tell that this is not a case of codepoint squatting. From nobody Wed Dec 5 00:53:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D5212D4F1; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:53:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRT8LCKwM0X8; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B544130DFB; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:53:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9922; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1544000003; x=1545209603; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8L721u7W1OA7o94Au9G6y1LmGT6y9elS0gvPIwTWHBM=; b=kMQ8cbbiGbYEDPGWiLnUIkO2wz2MEHqoLT3OXTubx8CKJFbZFw3wY23G BMWQh/yuvuDYsI5hsylLbKTAIxnE6F6y+HZqMp2IiPRhgZpq2YH3VKYTX QI1rJIBPzcM/lIEFbUu+fHYSloOmZU49hFF4bQoZtUpS6602+Ad2KDKkv Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,317,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8535901" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 05 Dec 2018 08:53:21 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.52] (ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com [10.60.140.52]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB58rKYZ017664; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 08:53:20 GMT Message-ID: <5C079200.1030701@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:53:20 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Kaduk , The IESG CC: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org References: <154398144445.4943.7198735398003216566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154398144445.4943.7198735398003216566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.140.52, ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:53:37 -0000 Hi Benjamin, please see inline: On 05/12/18 04:44 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > What is the extensibility model for the "AF" (address family) field in the > OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV? That is, what do we need to say about > current implementations' behavior to allow future changes? (I also a > little bit wonder if we really need a full eight bits, but that's basically > aesthetic.) I don't think OSPFv3 will ever support other then IPv6 or IPv4 AF. Also the text says: "Prefix encoding for other address families is beyond the scope of this specification." > > Some of the text in Section 8.1 (see the COMMENT section) reads like it > might have an "Updates" relationship with other documents, but I don't know > enough to be sure. Hopefully we can have a conversation to clarify the > situation. please see my comments below. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 1 > > Is there a start of the separate document that covers SR with the IPv6 data > plane that we could reference from here? this document describes OSPFv3 extension for SR with the MPLS data plane, not IPv6 data plane. And rfc8402 is referenced. > > Section 5 > > In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of > prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in > [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], is an example of where > a single advertisement is needed to advertise SIDs for multiple > prefixes from a contiguous address range. > > I note that the referenced document does not use the word "range" to > describe the prefix being assigned multiple SIDs; it might be helpful to > say a few more words about how the range of prefixes gets mapped to what is > discussed in the linked document. "prefix being assigned multiple SIDs" - that is not what we are doing here. > > I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given > this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 and a > range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is encoded > as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, > 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? yes. > Or am I constrained to be a subset of > 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes > would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I would suggest > stating this explictly, here. > I would thing that the example in section 16 is clear enough. > Section 6 > > Should there be any discussion of the historical or future reasons why V > and L are separate flag bits, given that the only legal combinations are > currently 00 and 11, i.e., fully redundant? I would rather not get into that discussion here. > > It may not be necessary to expand ASBR on first usage here, since it's in > the terminology section (and marked as "well-known" at > https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt). ASBR is defined in terminology section. > > If the NP-Flag is not set, then any upstream neighbor of the Prefix- > SID originator MUST pop the Prefix-SID. This is equivalent to the > penultimate hop popping mechanism used in the MPLS dataplane. If the > NP-flag is not set, then the received E-flag is ignored. > > Is it going to be clear that "pop" only applies when this Prefix-SID is the > outermost label? (Or am I super-confused about how this is supposed to > work?) you can only POP the outmost label. > > A similar consideration may apply to the discussion of the NP flag as well. > Also some redundantly expanded ABR and ASBR here as well. > > This is useful, e.g., when the originator of the Prefix- > SID is the final destination for the related prefix and the > originator wishes to receive the packet with the original EXP > bits. > > Are we still supposed to call these the EXP bits after RFC 5462? (I had to > look up what they were; not sure if this means that we should put a > reference in for them or not, given that I'm not a practitioner here.) I can rename to "Traffic Class" if you insist. > > When the M-Flag is set, the NP-flag and the E-flag MUST be ignored on > reception. > > Do I understand this correctly that this is because the mapping server may > not know the needs of the individual routers, and if the routers had > specific needs they should advertise the SIDs directly (which would take > precedence over the mapping server's advertisement)? If so, given the > following discussion, I wouldn't suggest adding any extra text about it, > but I do want to make sure I'm understanding it properly. your understanding is correct. There is also some more details in the next section. > > When a Prefix-SID is advertised in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range > TLV, then the value advertised in the Prefix SID Sub-TLV is > interpreted as a starting SID/Label value. > > Am I remembering correctly that Prefix-SID can appear multiple times within > OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range? Then each Prefix-SID would be indicating a > distinct range but adhering to the same parameters of the range that are > indicated in the Extended Prefix Range TLV? This seems a little weird on > the face of it (as opposed to a single Prefix-SID sub-TLV per Extended > Prefix Range), but maybe there's a use case that I'm missing on first > glance. the use case is when you need to advertise Prefix-SID for different Algorithms. > > Section 7.1 > > (Probably off-topic: what's the use case for assigning the same Adj-SID to > different adjacencies?) load balancing of traffic over multiple links. > > Section 7.2 > > Perhaps add DR to the terminology section (or expand on first usage)? ok, will do. > > Section 8.1 > > When a Prefix-SID is advertised by the Mapping Server, which is > indicated by the M-flag in the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV (Section 6), the > route type as implied by the LSA type is ignored and the Prefix-SID > is bound to the corresponding prefix independent of the route type. > > Is this considered to be Update-ing the behavior of another RFC? no. All we say is that the LSA type in which the SID from SRMS is advertised does not need to match the route-type of the prefix for which the SID is adverised. > > Advertisement of the Prefix-SID by the Mapping Server using an Inter- > Area Prefix TLV, External-Prefix TLV, or Intra-Area-Prefix TLV > [RFC8362] does not itself contribute to the prefix reachability. The > NU-bit MUST be set in the PrefixOptions field of the LSA which is > used by the Mapping Server to advertise SID or SID Range, which > prevents the advertisement from contributing to prefix reachability. > > This MUST reads like it is restating an existing normative requirement from > elsewhere (in which case we should probably just state it as fact and > provide a reference). Or is it a new requirement (in which case Updates: > might be in order)? not sure I understand. NU-bit is defined in rfc5340. We are just reusing it here. I can add a reference to it. > > Area-scoped OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLVs are propagated between > areas. Similar to propagation of prefixes between areas, an ABR only > propagates the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV that it considers to > be the best from the set it received. The rules used to pick the > best OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV are described in Section 5. > > I don't see any usage of "best" in Section 5; I do see direction to use the > numerically smallest Instance ID when multiple Extended Prefix Range TLVs > advertise *the exact same range*. But this in and of itself does not > safisfy the claim here that there is guidance to pick a single best > Extended Prefix Range TLV, so I'm left confused as to what's supposed to > happen. Perhaps this was intended as a transition to Section 8.2 instead > of referring back to Section 5 (especially considering that Section 8.1 is > supposed to be intra-area but this topic is inter-area)? > (This sort of dangling/unclear internal reference would normally be a > DISCUSS, but it seems very likely this is just a stale section number and > not a real problem, so I'm keeping it in the COMMENT section for now.) right, I will remove the reference to section 5 and correct the text. > > Section 8.4.1 > > Do we need a reference for 2-Way and FULL? these are standard OSPF adjacency states. > > Section 9 > > I would normally expect some text about "IANA has made permanent the > following temporary allocations" or similar, so the reader can quickly tell > that this is not a case of codepoint squatting. well, I guess what is important is that the IANA allocations has been made. thanks, Peter > > > . > From nobody Wed Dec 5 02:16:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF4130DE9; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f54-iKwTVoP9; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CC16130DCC; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:16:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1418; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1544005004; x=1545214604; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uC0aegolt+25/hGi5+EZl/5bXR2+U/dvKFH8INsSIKg=; b=fwfX14k3Pq869NeziRHVPm8RG2yd+MyuEee1k7SBXzJpgV8/ezsypy7N SYTVMUfkHLppj4t5NgPZU7MsGAZETjnTajYpsg9vzeefzQ9Wam+3phSw+ /sxgPEmhHEzMXbZbgN1v+bLZX+RxgZHMaV8gJKgH9edKgR42aYoMJ5ZeL U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,317,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8537135" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 05 Dec 2018 10:16:41 +0000 Received: from [10.147.24.26] ([10.147.24.26]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB5AGe7M031218; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:16:41 GMT Message-ID: <5C07A588.2070503@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:16:40 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Vigoureux , The IESG CC: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org References: <154391699192.4632.16900265463036458603.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154391699192.4632.16900265463036458603.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.26, [10.147.24.26] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:16:46 -0000 Hi Martin, On 04/12/18 10:49 , Martin Vigoureux wrote: > Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello, > > thank you for this document. > I do have the usual IESG comment of suggesting to use RFC 8174 text for the > requirement language, and also have a suggestion: In section 7.2 you say: > When the P-flag is not set, the Adj-SID MAY be persistent. When > the P-flag is set, the Adj-SID MUST be persistent. > Because we're in the LAN Adjacency section you may want to qualify the Adj-SID > as being a LAN one. I have addressed both of your comments and will be part of the ver 21. thanks, Peter > > > . > From nobody Wed Dec 5 03:14:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF99130DDA; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 03:14:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.738 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RATWARE_MS_HASH=2.148, RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME=2.95, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id goaFW8pYtkyA; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 03:13:59 -0800 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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:34:25 -0000 --0000000000002cbeb8057c48f42f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee, On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Spencer, > > I'm replying as document shepherd. > It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not both sleepwalking on a 777 :-) Please note that all of these are comments, so covered under "do the right thing". > On 12/4/18, 1:40 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" > wrote: > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-e= xtensions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these > paragraphs were > much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bottom of the > section > now. > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing with MPLS data plane. > > Segment Routing architecture is described in [RFC8402]. > > Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7855]. > > With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion in the > Introduction > would still be required, but do the right thing, of course. > > I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract, > > Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end pat= hs > within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topologica= l > sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by th= e > link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing with MPLS data plane. > > if it was more than two paragraphs long ... > > You mean "were" since this is subjective. I'm not sure what you're asking > for since your comment has something to do with ordering and, as you note= , > the abstract is two paragraphs long. > Sorry this wasn't clear. What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough that moving the high-order bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has the high-order bits at the bottom, but it's a short distance to the bottom. If you flipped the Abstract, that might be helpful, and would match the Introduction, but if you don't, I think making the change in the Introduction would be sufficient. > > I am thinking that the reference > > There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID defined in > [RFC8402]. > > would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because that's > where you > list the additional segment types, but the reference is back in the > Introduction (with only one example of the segment types). > > Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings so this could be > removed. > An even better reason to remove this sentence :D ... That would put the reference to RFC 8402 in Section 3, I assume. > I'm thinking the SHOULD in this text > > Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340] and [RFC8362= ] > apply to these segment routing extensions. While OSPFv3 is under = a > single administrative domain, there can be deployments where > potential attackers have access to one or more networks in the > OSPFv3 > routing domain. In these deployments, stronger authentication > mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] SHOUL= D > be used. > > is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so something > like > > In these deployments, stronger authentication > mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] are > needed. > > I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative text in other "Security > Considerations" sections. > Oh, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My point was > > would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why you wouldn'= t > use > stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You might want > to add > guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU > WON'T) as > defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1. > that I'm reading the text as saying "you're more vulnerable to attackers, so you SHOULD use stronger authentication mechanisms, but you might not, for reasons left to the implementer". Is there a reason that you might decide not to use stronger authentication mechanisms when you're more vulnerable to attackers? If so, you might provide it as an example, so the implementers can do the right thing. (I spent enough time in the SIP community talking to product managers who wanted to pay for MUSTs, but didn't think they needed to pay for SHOULDs, that I'm perhaps overreacting to a problem you folks in RTG don't have. Do the right thing, of course!) > Is there another document that says things like > > Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV defined = in > this document are detected and do not provide a vulnerability for > attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing process. Receptio= n > of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted and/or logged for > further analysis. Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs SHOULD b= e > rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS) attack > (distributed > or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 control plane. > > ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm guessing. If > there's a > broader document, I don't object to including this guidance here, but > adding a > reference to a broader document might be useful. > > We do have similar text in section 5 of RFC8362. However, it is not in th= e > "Security Considerations" and the statement about rate-limiting is not > there. It doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to repeat it and it provides confidence th= at > "security" has been appropriately "considered". > Agree, and thanks for considering all my comments. Spencer > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > --0000000000002cbeb8057c48f42f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Acee,=C2=A0
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Spencer,

I'm replying as document shepherd.

It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not both sleepwalking on = a 777 :-)=C2=A0

Please note that all of these are = comments, so covered under "do the right thing".
=C2=A0=
On 12/4/18, 1:40 PM= , "Spencer Dawkins" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Obje= ction

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When responding, please keep the subject line intact and repl= y to all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free t= o cut this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 introductory paragraph, however.)


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please refer to https://www.i= etf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions= .


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found= here:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extens= ions/



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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COMMENT:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these= paragraphs were
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bo= ttom of the section
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 now.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required fo= r Segment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Routing with MPLS data plane.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Segment Routing architecture is described in [RF= C8402].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7= 855].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion= in the Introduction
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would still be required, but do the right thing, of course.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of e= nd-to-end paths
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0within IGP topologies by encoding paths as seque= nces of topological
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sub-paths, called "segments".=C2=A0 Th= ese segments are advertised by the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions requi= red for Segment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Routing with MPLS data plane.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 if it was more than two paragraphs long ...

You mean "were" since this is subjective. I'm not sure what y= ou're asking for since your comment has something to do with ordering a= nd, as you note, the abstract is two paragraphs long.

Sorry this wasn't clear.=C2=A0

What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough that moving the high-ord= er bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has the high-order bits at= the bottom, but it's a short distance to the bottom. If you flipped th= e Abstract, that might be helpful, and would match the Introduction, but if= you don't, I think making the change in the Introduction would be suff= icient.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am thinking that the reference

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID = defined in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC8402].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because t= hat's where you
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 list the additional segment types, but the reference is back = in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Introduction (with only one example of the segment types).
Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings so this could be re= moved.

An even better reason to remove = this sentence :D ...

That would put the reference = to RFC 8402 in Section 3, I assume.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm thinking the S= HOULD in this text

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340]= and [RFC8362]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0apply to these segment routing extensions.=C2=A0= While OSPFv3 is under a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0single administrative domain, there can be deplo= yments where
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0potential attackers have access to one or more n= etworks in the OSPFv3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0routing domain.=C2=A0 In these deployments, stro= nger authentication
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] = or [RFC7166] SHOULD
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be used.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so som= ething like

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In these deployments, stronger authentication =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] = or [RFC7166] are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0needed.

I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative text in other "Sec= urity Considerations" sections.

O= h, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My point was=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why= you wouldn't use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You= might want to add
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT = WE KNOW YOU WON'T) as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf= c6919#section-1.

that I'm readi= ng the text as saying "you're more vulnerable to attackers, so you= SHOULD use stronger authentication mechanisms, but you might not, for reas= ons left to the implementer". Is there a reason that you might decide = not to use stronger authentication mechanisms when you're more vulnerab= le to attackers? If so, you might provide it as an example, so the implemen= ters can do the right thing.=C2=A0

(I spent enough= time in the SIP community talking to product managers who wanted to pay fo= r MUSTs, but didn't think they needed to pay for SHOULDs, that I'm = perhaps overreacting to a problem you folks in RTG don't have. Do the r= ight thing, of course!)
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Is there another document that says thin= gs like

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub= -TLV defined in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this document are detected and do not provide a = vulnerability for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing = process.=C2=A0 Reception
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted = and/or logged for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0further analysis.=C2=A0 Logging of malformed TLV= s and Sub-TLVs SHOULD be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS= ) attack (distributed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 contro= l plane.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm gu= essing. If there's a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 broader document, I don't object to including this guidan= ce here, but adding a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reference to a broader document might be useful.

We do have similar text in section 5 of RFC8362. However, it is not in the = "Security Considerations" and the statement about rate-limiting i= s not there. It doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to repeat it and it provides confidenc= e that "security" has been appropriately "considered". =

Agree, and thanks for considering all = my comments.=C2=A0

Spencer
=C2=A0
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Thanks,
Acee



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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:11:34 -0000 Reviewer: Yoshifumi Nishida Review result: Almost Ready This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the IETF discussion list for information. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review. Summary: This document is almost ready for publication, but several points need to be clarified. 1: In Section 1: "While this document does not specify how the performance information should be obtained, the measurement of delay SHOULD NOT vary significantly based upon the offered traffic load." It is not clear to me that why the measurement of delay should not vary here. Also, queuing delay might be useful info to infer path status. Could you elaborate the delays that the draft tries to capture? 2: In Section 1: "Thus, queuing delays SHOULD NOT be included in the delay measurement. " Is it clear for expected readers how to exclude queuing delays in their measurements? Don't we need to provide any guidances or references here? Also, what they should do if they cannot exclude it? 3: In Section 2: "All values (except residual bandwidth) MUST be calculated as rolling averages where the averaging period MUST be a configurable period of time." This requirement is a bit different from the following texts in Section 5: Also, does this mean only simple moving average must be used or any forms of moving average is acceptable? "The values advertised in all sub-TLVs (except min/max delay and residual bandwidth) MUST represent an average over a period or be obtained by a filter that is reasonably representative of an average. For example, a rolling average is one such filter." 4: In Section 4.3: "This sub-TLV advertises the average link delay variation between two directly connected IS-IS neighbors. The delay variation advertised by this sub-TLV MUST be the delay from the local neighbor to the remote one (i.e., the forward-path latency)." Sorry.. I am not sure how to measure delay variation here. I think more explanation is needed. It seems that it is not variance as the unit is sec. 5: In Section 11: "The use of Link State PDU cryptographic authentication allows mitigation the risk of man-in- the-middle attack." When there is a risk for man-in-the-middle attack, don't we need more strong requirements for the use of security mechanisms? Thanks, -- Yoshi From nobody Wed Dec 5 12:58:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54892130ECE; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84PqV6srb4fV; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44628130E55; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id x85-v6so19658114ljb.2; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:58:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7hKEtSINwJ0HyflzSoLPggOAjwcuq0YPsNNn0auHq08=; b=K4iFkqPwVDGLvNOxeYFwvQjO4oKqK9UpWHNp4EvKi3nHurnCN0Ct+eDi6PhZli24j0 Uu8C2DbFf/hYrNwT/PRr/i0Sd8p9pgH72V0S5kz47u02qJkQbE8qsvo72jAM/ffd/p1u AsFoabC+XzFd5b9AP0ZtYmRweaPaJ8JwrdAqVKHzJo1cPn+RdPPpYA1DSaVp68RWnoUA cAGBMdCGluFMnaV8g5ZuG2vuaFVnxUvsNk4Y8FYsym8DqdIy/jRdnWdUkT++0O5YLTnf OdQ+0XPZghwFT7vemj8Tipw/n3Hc6BzMT3f7xNL+4bjJJ+2zgFTAayhxFUmem/nAyeko MUbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7hKEtSINwJ0HyflzSoLPggOAjwcuq0YPsNNn0auHq08=; b=oLkFvD9b8qoJ9oaU/MgK6cC5RW0ocrVHLNoTE6O47uMAbj6lICDgU1lr6C6xUFCSMs Thsjwl10vhbOJS+PrulJGenoNTFAheYh54KQhUtr99muixMU6+7e7pSmaoEGUatmY9yA 3arZiS5K6sYtiZd/WtERKazwnoDwsQJyK4crp2ztFM6FKk3VUk5tIUSDLb4oSThnYFKq rZ8qar1EEWlX+E5+DIGrwGitciQLIosOCSNK9tqD6JA4a9vlgxC/nXpyq7ghBqd5bcLQ /Lg4lUOfLZXcQTWLw407B47+Q6bxm+vRmkBS96otkryPUUVM0Z3YJRfjhNuTjYNTz1oc FXeA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYQK3+SoL/v3yBzykhMGNIXFtcICv6noB6/CaFUb930p9TR+tBx 3DCzarZsY8vq28vZCCKfQj3tgFAUHJJ1SRxbcw0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XbOsOwR+JCoy7nfVbu5uOIbsbM/e9Exvl0kSMGltsFQXA1NrK2+hapmthHYtR8i/EX/8j576o/40ADW9QR2sY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:851a:: with SMTP id j26-v6mr14805033lji.163.1544043507258; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:58:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:58:14 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: IESG , "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c49865057c4ca4c5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:58:33 -0000 --000000000000c49865057c4ca4c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee, On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 12:07 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hey Spencer, > > Fixed RFC references in my reply. > Thanks for considering my comments, and correcting the RFC references. Anything you do to unconfuse an AD is probably a good idea! Spencer > On Dec 5, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, Acee, > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > Hi Spencer, > > I'm replying as document shepherd. > > > > It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not both sleepwalking on a 777 > :-) > > > > Luckily the flight home was a breeze compared to my 25 hour 40 minute > flight to Hong Kong. > > > > > > Please note that all of these are comments, so covered under "do the righ= t > thing". > > > > On 12/4/18, 1:40 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" > wrote: > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-e= xtensions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these > paragraphs were > much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bottom of the > section > now. > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing with MPLS data plane. > > Segment Routing architecture is described in [RFC8402]. > > Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7855]. > > With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion in the > Introduction > would still be required, but do the right thing, of course. > > I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract, > > Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end pat= hs > within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topologica= l > sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by th= e > link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing with MPLS data plane. > > if it was more than two paragraphs long ... > > You mean "were" since this is subjective. I'm not sure what you're asking > for since your comment has something to do with ordering and, as you note= , > the abstract is two paragraphs long. > > > > Sorry this wasn't clear. > > > > What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough that moving the > high-order bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has the high-ord= er > bits at the bottom, but it's a short distance to the bottom. If you flipp= ed > the Abstract, that might be helpful, and would match the Introduction, bu= t > if you don't, I think making the change in the Introduction would be > sufficient. > > > > I read this and we=E2=80=99ll consider but I don=E2=80=99t think we=E2=80= =99ll move things around. > All the SR RFCs/drafts have this abstract ordering and I can=E2=80=99t se= e just > changing this one. > > > > > > > I am thinking that the reference > > There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID defined in > [RFC8402]. > > would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because that's > where you > list the additional segment types, but the reference is back in the > Introduction (with only one example of the segment types). > > Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings so this could be > removed. > > > > An even better reason to remove this sentence :D ... > > > > That would put the reference to RFC 8402 in Section 3, I assume. > > > > > > We will remove the references to binding SID. I think we put the referenc= e > to RFC 8402 earlier in the Introduction. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking the SHOULD in this text > > Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340] and [RFC8362= ] > apply to these segment routing extensions. While OSPFv3 is under = a > single administrative domain, there can be deployments where > potential attackers have access to one or more networks in the > OSPFv3 > routing domain. In these deployments, stronger authentication > mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] SHOUL= D > be used. > > is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so something > like > > In these deployments, stronger authentication > mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] are > needed. > > I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative text in other "Security > Considerations" sections. > > > > Oh, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My point was > > > would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why you wouldn'= t > use > stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You might want > to add > guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU > WON'T) as > defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1. > > > > that I'm reading the text as saying "you're more vulnerable to attackers, > so you SHOULD use stronger authentication mechanisms, but you might not, > for reasons left to the implementer". Is there a reason that you might > decide not to use stronger authentication mechanisms when you're more > vulnerable to attackers? If so, you might provide it as an example, so th= e > implementers can do the right thing. > > > > (I spent enough time in the SIP community talking to product managers who > wanted to pay for MUSTs, but didn't think they needed to pay for SHOULDs, > that I'm perhaps overreacting to a problem you folks in RTG don't have. D= o > the right thing, of course!) > > > > I see your point but =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D is already pretty strong la= nguage but we > wouldn=E2=80=99t be opposed to changing it to =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D sinc= e an implementation > advanced enough to support OSPFv3 SR should support RFC4552 and/or RFC716= 6. > However the latter is simpler from an operational standpoint. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > > > > > Is there another document that says things like > > Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV defined = in > this document are detected and do not provide a vulnerability for > attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing process. Receptio= n > of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted and/or logged for > further analysis. Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs SHOULD b= e > rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS) attack > (distributed > or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 control plane. > > ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm guessing. If > there's a > broader document, I don't object to including this guidance here, but > adding a > reference to a broader document might be useful. > > We do have similar text in section 5 of RFC8362. However, it is not in th= e > "Security Considerations" and the statement about rate-limiting is not > there. It doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to repeat it and it provides confidence th= at > "security" has been appropriately "considered". > > > > Agree, and thanks for considering all my comments. > > > > Spencer > > > > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > --000000000000c49865057c4ca4c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Acee,=C2=A0

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 12:07 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hey Spencer,=C2=A0

Fixed RFC references in my reply.


Thanks for considering my comments, and corre= cting the RFC references. Anything you do to unconfuse an AD is probably a= =C2=A0good idea!

Spencer
=C2=A0

On Dec 5, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.iet= f@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

Hi, Acee,=C2=A0

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) &l= t;acee@cisco.com>= ; wrote:

Hi Spencer,

I'm replying as document shepherd.

=C2=A0

It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not= both sleepwalking on a 777 :-)=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Luckily the flight home was a breeze compared to my = 25 hour 40 minute flight to Hong Kong.=C2=A0



=C2=A0

Please note that all of these are comments, so cover= ed under "do the right thing".

=C2=A0

On 12/4/18, 1:40 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" <= ;spencer= dawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Obje= ction

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COMMENT:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these= paragraphs were
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bo= ttom of the section
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 now.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required fo= r Segment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Routing with MPLS data plane.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Segment Routing architecture is described in [RF= C8402].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7= 855].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion= in the Introduction
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would still be required, but do the right thing, of course.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of e= nd-to-end paths
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0within IGP topologies by encoding paths as seque= nces of topological
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sub-paths, called "segments".=C2=A0 Th= ese segments are advertised by the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions requi= red for Segment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Routing with MPLS data plane.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 if it was more than two paragraphs long ...

You mean "were" since this is subjective. I'm not sure what y= ou're asking for since your comment has something to do with ordering a= nd, as you note, the abstract is two paragraphs long.

=C2=A0

Sorry this wasn't clear.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough th= at moving the high-order bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has = the high-order bits at the bottom, but it's a short distance to the bot= tom. If you flipped the Abstract, that might be helpful, and would match the Introduction, but if you don't, = I think making the change in the Introduction would be sufficient.=C2=A0=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

I read this and we=E2=80=99ll consider but I don=E2= =80=99t think we=E2=80=99ll move things around. All the SR RFCs/drafts have= this abstract ordering and I can=E2=80=99t see just changing this one.=C2= =A0

=C2=A0




=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am thinking that the reference

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID = defined in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC8402].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because t= hat's where you
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 list the additional segment types, but the reference is back = in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Introduction (with only one example of the segment types).
Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings so this could be re= moved.

=C2=A0

An even better reason to remove this sentence :D ...=

=C2=A0

That would put the reference to RFC 8402 in Section = 3, I assume.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

We will remove the references to binding SID. I thin= k we put the reference to RFC 8402 earlier in the Introduction.=C2=A0

=C2=A0



=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm thinking the SHOULD in this te= xt

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340]= and [RFC8362]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0apply to these segment routing extensions.=C2=A0= While OSPFv3 is under a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0single administrative domain, there can be deplo= yments where
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0potential attackers have access to one or more n= etworks in the OSPFv3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0routing domain.=C2=A0 In these deployments, stro= nger authentication
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] = or [RFC7166] SHOULD
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be used.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so som= ething like

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In these deployments, stronger authentication =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] = or [RFC7166] are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0needed.

I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative text in other "Sec= urity Considerations" sections.

=C2=A0

Oh, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My po= int was=C2=A0=C2=A0


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why= you wouldn't use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You= might want to add
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT = WE KNOW YOU WON'T) as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1.

=C2=A0

that I'm reading the text as saying "you= 9;re more vulnerable to attackers, so you SHOULD use stronger authenticatio= n mechanisms, but you might not, for reasons left to the implementer".= Is there a reason that you might decide not to use stronger authentication mechanisms when you're more vulnerable to atta= ckers? If so, you might provide it as an example, so the implementers can d= o the right thing.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

(I spent enough time in the SIP community talking to= product managers who wanted to pay for MUSTs, but didn't think they ne= eded to pay for SHOULDs, that I'm perhaps overreacting to a problem you= folks in RTG don't have. Do the right thing, of course!)

=C2=A0

I see your point but =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D is alr= eady pretty strong language but we wouldn=E2=80=99t be opposed to changing = it to =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D since an implementation advanced enough to sup= port OSPFv3 SR should support RFC4552 and/or RFC7166. However the latter is simpler from an operational standpoint.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Acee

=C2=A0



=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Is there another document that says th= ings like

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub= -TLV defined in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this document are detected and do not provide a = vulnerability for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing = process.=C2=A0 Reception
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted = and/or logged for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0further analysis.=C2=A0 Logging of malformed TLV= s and Sub-TLVs SHOULD be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS= ) attack (distributed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 contro= l plane.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm gu= essing. If there's a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 broader document, I don't object to including this guidan= ce here, but adding a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reference to a broader document might be useful.

We do have similar text in section 5 of RFC8362. However, it is not in the = "Security Considerations" and the statement about rate-limiting i= s not there. It doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to repeat it and it provides confidenc= e that "security" has been appropriately "considered".

=C2=A0

Agree, and thanks for considering all my comments.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Spencer

=C2=A0


Thanks,
Acee


=C2=A0

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draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005bc023057c516e30" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:41:19 -0000 --0000000000005bc023057c516e30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Les, On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Yoshi - > > Thanx for taking the time to review. > > I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - > let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is > common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810). > > While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are > out of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing > is addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A > Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope. > > If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance > of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you > to do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are > also applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to > be made to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing such > changes in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can > understand why. > > As regards your Security comment, I am not sure I understand what you are > suggesting. As IGP info is flooded hop-by-hop, man-in-the-middle attacks > have to be able to insert themselves on an IGP enabled link. Use of > cryptographic authentication prevents untrusted sources from being accepted > - which is the point being made. > I'm just making sure I understand this last point. The text Yoshi flagged, "The use of Link State PDU cryptographic authentication allows mitigation the risk of man-in- the-middle attack." is saying "smart people would use Link State PDU cryptographic authentication unless they have a reason to be OK with man-in-the-middle attacks", but there's no normative requirement to use this mitigation technique. I think that's what Yoshi was asking about. Is that the intent? Thanks, Spencer p.s. Is there a missing word after "mitigation"? --0000000000005bc023057c516e30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Les,=C2=A0

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM Les Ginsberg (gins= berg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> = wrote:
Yoshi -
Thanx for taking the time to review.

I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - = let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is= common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810).

While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are ou= t of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing is = addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A
Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope.

If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance = of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you t= o do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are also= applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to be = made to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing such cha= nges in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can unde= rstand why.

As regards your Security comment, I am not sure I understand what you are s= uggesting. As IGP info is flooded hop-by-hop, man-in-the-middle attacks hav= e to be able to insert themselves on an IGP enabled link. Use of cryptograp= hic authentication prevents untrusted sources from being accepted - which i= s the point being made.

I'm just ma= king sure I understand this last point.=C2=A0

The = text Yoshi flagged,=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "= ;The use of Link State PDU cryptographic authentication allows mitigation
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the risk of man-in-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0th= e-middle attack."

is saying "smart= people would use Link State PDU cryptographic authentication unless they h= ave a reason to be OK with man-in-the-middle attacks", but there's= no normative requirement to use this mitigation technique.

<= /div>
I think that's what Yoshi was asking about.=C2=A0
<= br>
Is that the intent?

Thanks,

Spencer

p.s. Is there a missing w= ord after "mitigation"?
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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 05:36:37 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * I share Benjamin's confusion regarding the prefix ranges and would like this to be clarified. * For the address family, I do have a suggestion. There is an IANA registry for Address Family Numbers that can provide the extensibility needed. If future extensibility of this space is desired, this might be an option to consider. https://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers/address-family-numbers.xhtml From nobody Wed Dec 5 22:38:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4533113107E; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:38:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2reCuXHNqJH6; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B190C13106E; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id e26so16633994lfc.2; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WtYH1gpy5LmWNgUPASngrNzwMofHSCpYoCd1XFLnNuo=; b=BtUhIR862N1k1YT6TjhU3XMtgo+Q0yHf5pz3Auz3QB87xNjMS5WYbeGGMuepoogzbU rthiEaoEbUw7BUxJDtSbjboRb9lvzjPLtn2xhoZUdzk3qsXlDqNgSb2QhMNEhVotWXlV AU+0Opqn8uSaWFftz6kK7I4IhljneB2KuyJhW+R1SVuny8wQm/hgO+G7139qitp370et JQqeioUB0ofbN5N14Fe7aZkOT+P6N1bYmkoolC9T0u9pPLuQwJ877T2WCaHA4AuCwrFS wEq6ZhKPTQdLqC+LVwKGcg2DQCUrPyPpOAPUCwGmmHIkblk2bdKLwo7/iE/ESuztmvvk xDbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WtYH1gpy5LmWNgUPASngrNzwMofHSCpYoCd1XFLnNuo=; b=KDIyQSAAvkuR50nwJAnU6y2RO0rqBaWd/taSQLZxOEv6syZgxy/9fsQPu+sDboj19o 1N7s4wy1fptHBtOl9RsXOmuKvyOaaEU1Xwp6LdyK14VA1bBlZV1j+N3Fo/jbuk7bFDYt GjsxErOzi8OXLo2g/Xse4aIxYVzFo/yGp5SyYZUEaDsXdPwhwR9cy3+/TVYt6EE2DIZy LECWoQfWsaPId+TIg+SjZZeV5AkUyXAdjYtlnZAkMhzBKQk6NT7K0KSjA5L0PNjILJ7Y orndQEp0CHZXKqubsaDrXeG6PEIZvtJpiGs7cBkoY3dwGCMNH1rEEOgSJrOCWKAnmZ3b tcbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWauRI3A/e5cQLiJvN88oc9cuD7qtXCwb1I07qCEwKUavTnNrwgk gFqmyIkaQUaMcARxoQP3SbzcBbHSMT43LtGk2B2jS7Wf X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UsLWW30u6odwO+HDfI2VF8AHiIyrXEodsqpnrvlB0mgQrCEPeKwVCpJc4fR72kjyehsOAN16U2bglq41NeuUc= X-Received: by 2002:a19:d145:: with SMTP id i66mr16962841lfg.97.1544078304685; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:38:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <154403709395.31955.8914260506541556177@ietfa.amsl.com> <347556ed4ea34fa7844085e5a6639f13@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <779408ffacd34d75ad438590cb0e0c33@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <779408ffacd34d75ad438590cb0e0c33@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 00:38:11 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Cc: nishida@wide.ad.jp, tsv-art@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, IETF list , draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000db3580057c54be84" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 06:38:32 -0000 --000000000000db3580057c54be84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Les, On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:08 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Spencer =E2=80=93 > > > > The choice of whether to use cryptographic authentication or not is a > deployment decision. It is not the place of this RFC (or any other IGP RF= C) > to require that a customer use authentication of any kind. However, in > Security sections we do mention that the use of cryptographic > authentication may well be prudent to avoid risks associated with the > advertisements which the document is defining. > > > > Make sense? > Sure, and I'm not asking for an https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1 "MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU WON'T)" - and this is the second draft on this telechat where I've used that link in my balloting discussion, so You Are Not Alone! Thanks for helping me understand. Spencer I agree there is an editorial issue. > > > > =E2=80=9Cmitigation the risk=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cmitigation of th= e risk=E2=80=9D > > > > I will address that. > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Spencer Dawkins at IETF > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2018 6:41 PM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Cc:* nishida@wide.ad.jp; tsv-art@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; IETF list < > ietf@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 > > > > Hi, Les, > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > Yoshi - > > Thanx for taking the time to review. > > I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 = - > let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which = is > common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810). > > While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are > out of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing > is addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A > Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope. > > If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substanc= e > of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you > to do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are > also applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need = to > be made to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing suc= h > changes in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can > understand why. > > As regards your Security comment, I am not sure I understand what you are > suggesting. As IGP info is flooded hop-by-hop, man-in-the-middle attacks > have to be able to insert themselves on an IGP enabled link. Use of > cryptographic authentication prevents untrusted sources from being accept= ed > - which is the point being made. > > > > I'm just making sure I understand this last point. > > > > The text Yoshi flagged, > > > > "The use of Link State PDU cryptographic authentication allows > mitigation > > the risk of man-in- > > the-middle attack." > > > > is saying "smart people would use Link State PDU cryptographic > authentication unless they have a reason to be OK with man-in-the-middle > attacks", but there's no normative requirement to use this mitigation > technique. > > > > I think that's what Yoshi was asking about. > > > > Is that the intent? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Spencer > > > > p.s. Is there a missing word after "mitigation"? > --000000000000db3580057c54be84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Les,=C2=A0

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:08 PM Les Ginsberg (gin= sberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>= wrote:

Spencer =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

The choice of whether to use cryptographic a= uthentication or not is a deployment decision. It is not the place of this = RFC (or any other IGP RFC) to require that a customer use authentication of any kind. However, in Security sections w= e do mention that the use of cryptographic authentication may well be prude= nt to avoid risks associated with the advertisements which the document is = defining.

=C2=A0

Make sense?


Sure, and I'm not asking for an=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/= rfc6919#section-1 "MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU WON'T)" - and th= is is the second draft on this telechat where I've used that link in my= balloting discussion, so You Are Not Alone!

Thank= s for helping me understand.

Spencer

I agree there is an editorial issue.<= br>

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=E2=80=9Cmitigation the risk=E2=80=9D should= be =E2=80=9Cmitigation of the risk=E2=80=9D

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I will address that.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les

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Hi, Les,=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yoshi -

Thanx for taking the time to review.

I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - = let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is= common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810).

While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are ou= t of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing is = addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A
Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope.

If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance = of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you t= o do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are also= applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to be made to both documents. But I do= not want to even start discussing such changes in the context of reviewing= the bis draft changes. I hope you can understand why.

As regards your Security comment, I am not sure I understand what you are s= uggesting. As IGP info is flooded hop-by-hop, man-in-the-middle attacks hav= e to be able to insert themselves on an IGP enabled link. Use of cryptograp= hic authentication prevents untrusted sources from being accepted - which is the point being made.=

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I'm just making sure I understand this last poin= t.=C2=A0

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The text Yoshi flagged,=C2=A0

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "The use of Link State PDU crypto= graphic authentication allows mitigation

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the-middle attack."<= u>

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is saying "smart people would use Link State PD= U cryptographic authentication unless they have a reason to be OK with man-= in-the-middle attacks", but there's no normative requirement to us= e this mitigation technique.

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I think that's what Yoshi was asking about.=C2= =A0

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Is that the intent?

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Thanks,

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Spencer

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p.s. Is there a missing word after "mitigation&= quot;?

--000000000000db3580057c54be84-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 03:22:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4EA130DFE; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 03:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7WyKGfrnbGzv; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 03:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91ECA126CC7; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 03:22:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7557; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1544095341; x=1545304941; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SU6/0J5Ktbh9OTlRSnPV+tilznMR2fiBvXwhdDEgnuI=; b=hbxXQRPTo67rGwlln58GevJ/HHrDTisbErP8PGoOaPAfR0tVOtdDKYSN dVxCA6ckq5aHiF3+L57B3XjT+QxbLECjJNEP+0BtKhpNOcM2+ipeoz24Q DG0Tk7wi2zyLgK4orAaD6A4+5XPE0ppIKBl3pWZxLP7vFJjpRA73HfrFx Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,322,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8630695" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 06 Dec 2018 11:22:19 +0000 Received: from [10.147.24.26] ([10.147.24.26]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB6BMH9t012957; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 11:22:18 GMT Message-ID: <5C090669.3050303@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:22:17 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF , "Acee Lindem (acee)" CC: IESG , "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org References: <154394880135.4620.12307141022996623217.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.26, [10.147.24.26] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:22:24 -0000 On 05/12/18 17:34 , Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > Hi, Acee, > On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: > > Hi Spencer, > > I'm replying as document shepherd. > > > It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not both sleepwalking on a 777 :-) > > Please note that all of these are comments, so covered under "do the > right thing". > > On 12/4/18, 1:40 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" > > wrote: > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply > to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to > cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these > paragraphs were > much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bottom > of the section > now. > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing with MPLS data plane. > > Segment Routing architecture is described in [RFC8402]. > > Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7855]. > > With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion in > the Introduction > would still be required, but do the right thing, of course. > > I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract, > > Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of > end-to-end paths > within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of > topological > sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised > by the > link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing with MPLS data plane. > > if it was more than two paragraphs long ... > > You mean "were" since this is subjective. I'm not sure what you're > asking for since your comment has something to do with ordering and, > as you note, the abstract is two paragraphs long. > > > Sorry this wasn't clear. > > What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough that moving the > high-order bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has the > high-order bits at the bottom, but it's a short distance to the bottom. > If you flipped the Abstract, that might be helpful, and would match the > Introduction, but if you don't, I think making the change in the > Introduction would be sufficient. ok, I made the change to Introduction section > > > I am thinking that the reference > > There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID defined in > [RFC8402]. > > would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because > that's where you > list the additional segment types, but the reference is back in the > Introduction (with only one example of the segment types). > > Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings so this > could be removed. > > > An even better reason to remove this sentence :D ... > > That would put the reference to RFC 8402 in Section 3, I assume. I removed both references to binding SID. thanks, Peter > > I'm thinking the SHOULD in this text > > Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340] and > [RFC8362] > apply to these segment routing extensions. While OSPFv3 is > under a > single administrative domain, there can be deployments where > potential attackers have access to one or more networks in > the OSPFv3 > routing domain. In these deployments, stronger authentication > mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] > SHOULD > be used. > > is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so > something like > > In these deployments, stronger authentication > mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] are > needed. > > I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative text in other > "Security Considerations" sections. > > > Oh, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My point was > > > would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why you > wouldn't use > stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You might > want to add > guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT WE > KNOW YOU WON'T) as > defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1. > > > that I'm reading the text as saying "you're more vulnerable to > attackers, so you SHOULD use stronger authentication mechanisms, but you > might not, for reasons left to the implementer". Is there a reason that > you might decide not to use stronger authentication mechanisms when > you're more vulnerable to attackers? If so, you might provide it as an > example, so the implementers can do the right thing. > > (I spent enough time in the SIP community talking to product managers > who wanted to pay for MUSTs, but didn't think they needed to pay for > SHOULDs, that I'm perhaps overreacting to a problem you folks in RTG > don't have. Do the right thing, of course!) > > Is there another document that says things like > > Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV > defined in > this document are detected and do not provide a > vulnerability for > attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing process. > Reception > of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted and/or > logged for > further analysis. Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs > SHOULD be > rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS) attack > (distributed > or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 control plane. > > ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm guessing. If > there's a > broader document, I don't object to including this guidance > here, but adding a > reference to a broader document might be useful. > > We do have similar text in section 5 of RFC8362. However, it is not > in the "Security Considerations" and the statement about > rate-limiting is not there. It doesn’t hurt to repeat it and it > provides confidence that "security" has been appropriately > "considered". > > > Agree, and thanks for considering all my comments. > > Spencer > > > Thanks, > Acee > > > From nobody Thu Dec 6 03:43:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6CF130E05; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 03:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gAE5KBozxB-l; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 03:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9881712D4EA; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 03:43:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1937; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1544096621; x=1545306221; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3KAHqOL0AfS7t9Dj3oQb2vAnEh5l1uiSu/pBZNCj6oQ=; b=U9yy6/kEQdt7XtisM5MHliIcMUy1bTTlJAm5SV+f5v+tkBXEi1byEOdU Oaw25DPAD3T8wdonLFqFv4sMaSPMSZfyw/ZBoMLAF3HhXCjBZvWIEIUHD 8d30asZ+WEC56+sybuE2aR/GH5PI2DCnTLZdUlthRs4lIqz1cINbjD83d I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,322,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8631305" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 06 Dec 2018 11:43:39 +0000 Received: from [10.147.24.26] ([10.147.24.26]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB6Bhcpw032630; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 11:43:38 GMT Message-ID: <5C090B6A.5020706@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:43:38 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan , The IESG CC: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org References: <154407459674.31922.6600027100156889123.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154407459674.31922.6600027100156889123.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.26, [10.147.24.26] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:43:43 -0000 Hi Suresh, please see inline: On 06/12/18 06:36 , Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * I share Benjamin's confusion regarding the prefix ranges and would like this > to be clarified. what about following text in section 5: "The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. The number of prefixes in the set is equal to Range size." There are also two examples in section 6, one with /128 and one with /120 prefix length. > > * For the address family, I do have a suggestion. There is an IANA registry for > Address Family Numbers that can provide the extensibility needed. If future > extensibility of this space is desired, this might be an option to consider. no plans to support other AFs, at least not for now. There are existing implementations and changing the AF code points now would result in compatibility issues. thanks, Peter > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers/address-family-numbers.xhtml > > > . > From nobody Thu Dec 6 06:42:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10A2126BED; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 06:42:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aw7eHggXfOdI; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 06:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08ADB1276D0; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id z2-v6so555090ybj.2; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 06:42:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=8pL1OUgT3wytM2w+y9c4MdgrrSlK2Jp44yGx4lIqYTk=; b=tvEBZKUwYo4KWxN8mZzxKviru4R4JDEKXZYKswyOIRKUcYnf80+4/+FIqiGMDa90T3 YMQmqdYd5Nyw8YSP74S8Y8axbt6BSF5C/IkmrEp7rRtU2nPI8Df1enlYmpDOVg1ChlYB 7PqWMigHjyjT6/opSI/VJ7dsljDzv7TaJ4RlRPIr4I5L+OzXggAXDi8YA7G8vH8QBhRR fSRM8Tqgx9uPzmzZ9PkFyC/DRRk37QGWml/zuJ1zRvpx8rLmBFVORDZiFObkew5cz2/a iwe1FM/NMPAlx2mNH+nt8xtrm+02uCvJ3NY6/GowRIX5mTwy1/0KamNtefMkofBokifB p/EA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=8pL1OUgT3wytM2w+y9c4MdgrrSlK2Jp44yGx4lIqYTk=; b=OY+oJBW7MDm5zQm0Nlntja30yRSWEM6WDFPpphm0EiqLVy6K+GKkjiLdrOAqV/L8S+ +kBlia8HusO/Ns4tpAxRdlQk7ePSIhs+ndrmhgMkNkyG3qvI7iFDeZ7yVsPr4reY65El Pylodq7bOXhyNyJLVMnbfkw3l8zA7pZI9TsH3vUX8MWm39IBGt73r+HqzdQy4j0qar0H jFmlah+Z+CU8QFYHFoCIhc3VO7zmJw8sU8jSLpev4bt5TE0RooVS/jgYwAtO5j/eOApR RNlxMXzHE1mgaEbfJWuqNQrJH/BYtllPu5zNtAVMAEf9HAUTBi6tEks0cDYp8iqjtYk9 do3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYAKIwfgZc7uS/N1PHUlOEmaeNGtuYxocf5fe0w3n7XGANJ7MO+ NGaIjdrDJeKO1CRqlM/naNSiiLcNZk0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Vjm7YOOxXsJIhLD8eVMfdn8plj08UJckchuY5MzgAlIwcE48qRt8NJ6Gjh0i9PcGC7UG4Qtw== X-Received: by 2002:a25:cd04:: with SMTP id d4-v6mr26998242ybf.189.1544107351017; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 06:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from TPAS0085304 ([71.44.146.70]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r193-v6sm142002ywg.32.2018.12.06.06.42.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 06:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Thomas Beaver" To: "'Acee Lindem \(acee\)'" , "'Spencer Dawkins at IETF'" Cc: , , , "'IESG'" , "'Alvaro Retana'" References: <154394880135.4620.12307141022996623217.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <43EBA61F-9AF6-492D-BA1D-C167D03973CB@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <43EBA61F-9AF6-492D-BA1D-C167D03973CB@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:42:28 -0500 Message-ID: <008401d48d71$e9b4fb40$bd1ef1c0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01D48D48.00E16440" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQH3kqaOClks9OBJ2nFtbQIk5CvF7gM0FI0vAVWvQksCCBJ5ZqT3Lpvw Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 14:42:39 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01D48D48.00E16440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, I think the structure of this draft reads perfectly fine. = The referenced RFCs for use case and architecture were introduced at a = point where the reader=E2=80=99s interest in more background information = would naturally come into play. I think we should probably focus on more = of the technical aspects, or specifics that may need clarification; In = contrast to restructuring unnecessarily. =20 Regards, =20 Thomas Beaver =20 =20 From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 1:00 PM To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Cc: lsr@ietf.org; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; IESG = ; Alvaro Retana Subject: Re: [Lsr] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on = draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) =20 Hey Spencer,=20 On Dec 5, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF = > = wrote: =20 Hi, Acee,=20 On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: Hi Spencer,=20 I'm replying as document shepherd.=20 =20 It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not both sleepwalking on a 777 = :-)=20 =20 Luckily the flight home was a breeze compared to my 25 hour 40 minute = flight to Hong Kong.=20 =20 Please note that all of these are comments, so covered under "do the = right thing". =20 On 12/4/18, 1:40 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" > wrote: Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-e= xtensions/ = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Introduction would have been much clearer for me if these = paragraphs were much closer to the top of the section - they're at the bottom of the = section now. This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment Routing with MPLS data plane. Segment Routing architecture is described in [RFC8402]. Segment Routing use cases are described in [RFC7855]. With that change, I'm not sure how much of the discussion in the = Introduction would still be required, but do the right thing, of course. I'd make the same suggestion for the Abstract, Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end = paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of = topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by = the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment Routing with MPLS data plane. if it was more than two paragraphs long ... You mean "were" since this is subjective. I'm not sure what you're = asking for since your comment has something to do with ordering and, as = you note, the abstract is two paragraphs long.=20 =20 Sorry this wasn't clear.=20 =20 What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough that moving the = high-order bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has the = high-order bits at the bottom, but it's a short distance to the bottom. = If you flipped the Abstract, that might be helpful, and would match the = Introduction, but if you don't, I think making the change in the = Introduction would be sufficient. =20 =20 I read this and we=E2=80=99ll consider but I don=E2=80=99t think = we=E2=80=99ll move things around. All the SR RFCs/drafts have this = abstract ordering and I can=E2=80=99t see just changing this one.=20 =20 I am thinking that the reference There are additional segment types, e.g., Binding SID defined in [RFC8402]. would be more useful at the beginning of Section 3, because that's = where you list the additional segment types, but the reference is back in the Introduction (with only one example of the segment types). Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings so this could be = removed. =20 An even better reason to remove this sentence :D ... =20 That would put the reference to RFC 8402 in Section 3, I assume.=20 =20 =20 We will remove the references to binding SID. I think we put the = reference to RFC 8402 earlier in the Introduction.=20 =20 =20 I'm thinking the SHOULD in this text Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340] and = [RFC8362] apply to these segment routing extensions. While OSPFv3 is under = a single administrative domain, there can be deployments where potential attackers have access to one or more networks in the = OSPFv3 routing domain. In these deployments, stronger authentication mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] = SHOULD be used. is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so something = like In these deployments, stronger authentication mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] are needed. I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative text in other "Security = Considerations" sections.=20 =20 Oh, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My point was =20 would be better, but if this IS a SHOULD, I'm curious why you = wouldn't use stronger authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You might want = to add guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU = WON'T) as defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1. =20 that I'm reading the text as saying "you're more vulnerable to = attackers, so you SHOULD use stronger authentication mechanisms, but you = might not, for reasons left to the implementer". Is there a reason that = you might decide not to use stronger authentication mechanisms when = you're more vulnerable to attackers? If so, you might provide it as an = example, so the implementers can do the right thing.=20 =20 (I spent enough time in the SIP community talking to product managers = who wanted to pay for MUSTs, but didn't think they needed to pay for = SHOULDs, that I'm perhaps overreacting to a problem you folks in RTG = don't have. Do the right thing, of course!) =20 I see your point but =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D is already pretty strong = language but we wouldn=E2=80=99t be opposed to changing it to = =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D since an implementation advanced enough to = support OSPFv3 SR should support RFC5340 or RFC8362. However the latter = is simpler from an operational standpoint.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee =20 =20 Is there another document that says things like Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV defined = in this document are detected and do not provide a vulnerability for attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing process. = Reception of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted and/or logged for further analysis. Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs SHOULD = be rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS) attack = (distributed or otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 control plane. ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm guessing. If = there's a broader document, I don't object to including this guidance here, = but adding a reference to a broader document might be useful. We do have similar text in section 5 of RFC8362. However, it is not in = the "Security Considerations" and the statement about rate-limiting is = not there. It doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to repeat it and it provides = confidence that "security" has been appropriately "considered".=20 =20 Agree, and thanks for considering all my comments.=20 =20 Spencer =20 Thanks, Acee =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01D48D48.00E16440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Personally, I think the structure of this draft reads perfectly fine. = The referenced RFCs for use case and architecture were introduced at a = point where the reader=E2=80=99s interest in more background information = would naturally come into play. I think we should probably focus on more = of the technical aspects, or specifics that may need clarification; In = contrast to restructuring unnecessarily.

 

Regards,

 

Thomas Beaver

 

 

From:<= /b> = Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Acee Lindem = (acee)
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 1:00 PM
To: = Spencer Dawkins at IETF = <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: lsr@ietf.org; = lsr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; IESG = <iesg@ietf.org>; Alvaro Retana = <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Spencer = Dawkins' No Objection on = draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with = COMMENT)

 

Hey = Spencer, 



 

Hi, Acee, 

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM Acee Lindem (acee) = <acee@cisco.com> = wrote:

Hi = Spencer,

I'm replying as document shepherd. =

 

It's a pleasure to be talking when we're not both = sleepwalking on a 777 = :-) 

 

Luckily the flight home was a breeze compared to my 25 = hour 40 minute flight to Hong Kong. 



 

Please note that all of these are comments, so covered = under "do the right thing".

 

On = 12/4/18, 1:40 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> = wrote:

    Spencer Dawkins has entered the following = ballot position for
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    = ----------------------------------------------------------------------    COMMENT:
    = ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    The Introduction would have been much clearer for me = if these paragraphs were
    much closer to the top of the = section - they're at the bottom of the section
    = now.

      This draft describes the OSPFv3 = extensions required for Segment
       Routing = with MPLS data plane.

       Segment Routing = architecture is described in [RFC8402].

      =  Segment Routing use cases are described in = [RFC7855].

    With that change, I'm not sure how much = of the discussion in the Introduction
    would still be = required, but do the right thing, of course.

    I'd = make the same suggestion for the Abstract,

      = Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end = paths
       within IGP topologies by encoding = paths as sequences of topological
      =  sub-paths, called "segments".  These segments are = advertised by the
       link-state routing = protocols (IS-IS and OSPF).

       This draft = describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment
    =    Routing with MPLS data plane.

    if it = was more than two paragraphs long ...

You mean "were" = since this is subjective. I'm not sure what you're asking for since your = comment has something to do with ordering and, as you note, the abstract = is two paragraphs long.

 

Sorry this wasn't = clear. 

 

What I meant was, the Introduction is long enough that = moving the high-order bits to the top is helpful; the Abstract also has = the high-order bits at the bottom, but it's a short distance to the = bottom. If you flipped the Abstract, that might be helpful, and would = match the Introduction, but if you don't, I think making the change in = the Introduction would be = sufficient.  

 

I read this and we=E2=80=99ll consider but I = don=E2=80=99t think we=E2=80=99ll move things around. All the SR = RFCs/drafts have this abstract ordering and I can=E2=80=99t see just = changing this one. 

 




    I am thinking that the = reference

      There are additional segment = types, e.g., Binding SID defined in
      =  [RFC8402].

    would be more useful at the = beginning of Section 3, because that's where you
    list = the additional segment types, but the reference is back in the
  =   Introduction (with only one example of the segment = types).

Actually, the Binding SID is no longer in the encodings = so this could be removed.

 

An even better reason to remove this sentence :D = ...

 

That would put the reference to RFC 8402 in Section 3, = I = assume. 

 

 

We will remove the references to binding SID. I think = we put the reference to RFC 8402 earlier in the = Introduction. 

 



 

  =   I'm thinking the SHOULD in this text

      = Existing security extensions as described in [RFC5340] and = [RFC8362]
       apply to these segment routing = extensions.  While OSPFv3 is under a
      =  single administrative domain, there can be deployments = where
       potential attackers have access to = one or more networks in the OSPFv3
       routing = domain.  In these deployments, stronger authentication
  =      mechanisms such as those specified in [RFC4552] or = [RFC7166] SHOULD
       be used.

  =   is not an RFC 2119 SHOULD that describes interworking, so = something like

       In these deployments, = stronger authentication
       mechanisms such as = those specified in [RFC4552] or [RFC7166] are
      =  needed.

I'll defer to our AD, Alvaro. We have normative = text in other "Security Considerations" sections. =

 

Oh, sure. That wasn't my heartburn at all. My point = was  


    would be better, but if this IS a = SHOULD, I'm curious why you wouldn't use
    stronger = authentication mechanisms if they're needed. You might want to = add
    guidance about that, so it's not confused with MUST = (BUT WE KNOW YOU WON'T) as
    defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919#section-1.=

 

that I'm reading the text as saying "you're more = vulnerable to attackers, so you SHOULD use stronger authentication = mechanisms, but you might not, for reasons left to the = implementer". Is there a reason that you might decide not to use = stronger authentication mechanisms when you're more vulnerable to = attackers? If so, you might provide it as an example, so the = implementers can do the right thing. 

 

(I spent enough time in the SIP community talking to = product managers who wanted to pay for MUSTs, but didn't think they = needed to pay for SHOULDs, that I'm perhaps overreacting to a problem = you folks in RTG don't have. Do the right thing, of = course!)

 

I = see your point but =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D is already pretty strong = language but we wouldn=E2=80=99t be opposed to changing it to = =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D since an implementation advanced enough to = support OSPFv3 SR should support RFC5340 or RFC8362. However the latter = is simpler from an operational = standpoint. 

 

Thanks,

Acee

 



 

  =   Is there another document that says things like

  =     Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV = defined in
       this document are detected and = do not provide a vulnerability for
      =  attackers to crash the OSPFv3 router or routing process.  = Reception
       of a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV = SHOULD be counted and/or logged for
      =  further analysis.  Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs = SHOULD be
       rate-limited to prevent a Denial = of Service (DoS) attack (distributed
       or = otherwise) from overloading the OSPFv3 control plane.

  =   ? This doesn't seem very SR-specific, although I'm guessing. If = there's a
    broader document, I don't object to including = this guidance here, but adding a
    reference to a broader = document might be useful.

We do have similar text in section 5 of = RFC8362. However, it is not in the "Security Considerations" = and the statement about rate-limiting is not there. It doesn=E2=80=99t = hurt to repeat it and it provides confidence that "security" = has been appropriately "considered". =

 

Agree, and thanks for considering all my = comments. 

 

Spencer

 


Thanks,
Acee


=

 

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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.26, [10.147.24.26] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:16:00 -0000 Hi Suresh, On 06/12/18 16:07 , Suresh Krishnan wrote: > > >> On Dec 6, 2018, at 6:43 AM, Peter Psenak wrote: >> >> Hi Suresh, >> >> please see inline: >> >> On 06/12/18 06:36 , Suresh Krishnan wrote: >>> Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: No Objection >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> * I share Benjamin's confusion regarding the prefix ranges and would like this >>> to be clarified. >> >> what about following text in section 5: >> >> "The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. The number of prefixes in the set is equal to Range size." any comments on the proposed text above? thanks, Peter >> >> >> There are also two examples in section 6, one with /128 and one with /120 prefix length. >> >>> >>> * For the address family, I do have a suggestion. There is an IANA registry for >>> Address Family Numbers that can provide the extensibility needed. If future >>> extensibility of this space is desired, this might be an option to consider. >> >> no plans to support other AFs, at least not for now. >> >> There are existing implementations and changing the AF code points now would result in compatibility issues. > > Thanks Peter. It was only a suggestion to address Benjamin’s question about extensibility of the AFs. I fully understand your concern about existing implementations. > > Regards > Suresh > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Thu Dec 6 07:48:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660C0130DFD; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g0Os3_Y_UXCj; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 07:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-x12a.google.com (mail-it1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BF73130DFC; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 07:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id o19so2002710itg.5; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 07:48:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D9TUgU629In0ArcB2Se4lUNYJ+6Wd7yrEwADavobRjg=; b=UqDF1kj17tNCBItQ4/Jxyz2CLwmGQDYRkBHgvSJiCOzP/xfxDI6Z+KzhYM8yvHlWy0 50jtT4y8Tj28P493gddg8kt9ZBkOQQAGZsUEP5sK8Ak97QwMBIDhbXGdT5PAh/k7xPpE tCiDoe4kIarRfB/Bg25ImUxAuaP1KJYZgYVDAPXClpZpSdhYl0l99zW8oyot55VkG/zu v4Bxnjs9D4nyGGhGhjkXrgP33EnTIgeuJeT5e9+hMUBzWIsSn0GMZ0KCVE153kR+Fy4+ 0Z3WLw6eukcBs07tcjWOL3MB5X0TKT9sRmy06zfhkj48AIS8i3Hsa57KN0ZEdnOnWo4I qZCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D9TUgU629In0ArcB2Se4lUNYJ+6Wd7yrEwADavobRjg=; b=gqa5bvIpQOHv5w4FOKNEn30BXkCcM2AS5FZjxVs7F22UsmO/NIPV+Rsr4KsTvXQsop yKysplLyIzlk/N+UyveNlA/V8rjeeGbRzXZaeET1MvMPspIPVdMd0NF6aTT5BWhqD7rg AWb+w/+vKbGo8MFJWEzxTEr63tRga58QEdxr8Iwvg5zVhDWJpD8SCSRGuyTyV7BPnTGl j3Xbw2qPeIHteH/NKEReILJAtcwzze8xcFN4NnMHmiDY+5Nz/N2ObtzKj1UnZQVE/Uhj U/pxwc5cV4r8Q305I8RYgBCUuAdTVs02iNb9qNWKsX1H2haLdFNVWfwWi4boTEUpYKZb cl8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYalAngF+JhquhhRLDM39cWL5qZj+D0UMyqUd+gENi+dbe5HETK Dl48xGFHRo7E1yqPhALhUmB/7iuHOiMjQQYXYmKO9ooV X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Ulgfii1Bof7M5xv8ZhYdRRqtfkTk26NgzBQDmSwCfpGGcCyMG61I3X/WSlKsqXIqDsvFdmjqm6FfQnCaBngPY= X-Received: by 2002:a24:b044:: with SMTP id b4mr19512240itj.164.1544111284418; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 07:48:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:17:53 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll for "IGP extension for PCEP security capability support in the PCE discovery" (Corrected) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:48:07 -0000 I am unaware of any IPR, apart from the one disclosed [1]. Regards, Dhruv BTW the WG adopted I-D [2] is already posted, but I wanted to make sure that my response is archived on the list. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3351/ [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-= support/ On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:32 AM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > Authors, > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-secur= ity-support? > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see= RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > There are currently no IPR disclosures against draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery= -security-support. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to t= his email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *= The response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing list. The document will= not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each= author and contributor. > > > > If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR = that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee From nobody Thu Dec 6 09:38:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB53130E86; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:37:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no 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multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000021543d057c5e340b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:55:30 -0000 --00000000000021543d057c5e340b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On December 5, 2018 at 7:52:00 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ( ginsberg@cisco.com) wrote: Les: You are right in pointing out that the changes made to rfc7810 are the ones mentioned in the appendix. That was the motivation that originated this work. However, this document doesn=E2=80=99t just modify rfc7810, it formally dec= lares it Obsolete. That indicates that we (the WG, etc.) are opening up the whole document for review/comments=E2=80=A6which obviously means that Yoshi=E2=80= =99s comments are not out of scope. The WG didn=E2=80=99t change anything else (which is= ok), but the IETF Last Call exists to include cross-area review and to allow others (e.g. non-WG participants) to comment. In any case, it seems to me that Yoshi=E2=80=99s comments are clarifying qu= estions which may not require changes to the document itself. But I=E2=80=99ll leav= e that discussion/decision to him and to the TSV ADs. Note that if what is wanted (by the WG) is to Update rfc7810 (and not Obsolete it), and constrain the text to be reviewed/commented on, then this is not the right document. That document would have contained only the changes. We=E2=80=99re still in time to change the direction. I=E2=80=99m= explicitly cc=E2=80=99ing the lsr-chairs so they can make any needed clarification. Thanks! Alvaro. I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810). While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are out of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing is addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope. If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you to do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are also applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to be made to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing such changes in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can understand why. --00000000000021543d057c5e340b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On December 5, 2018 at 7:52:00 = PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) (ginsberg= @cisco.com) wrote:

Les:

You are right in pointing out that the changes made to rfc7810 a= re the ones mentioned in the appendix.=C2=A0 That was the motivation that o= riginated this work.

However, this document do= esn=E2=80=99t just modify rfc7810, it formally declares it Obsolete.=C2=A0 = That indicates that we (the WG, etc.) are opening up the whole document for= review/comments=E2=80=A6which obviously means that Yoshi=E2=80=99s comment= s are not out of scope.=C2=A0 The WG didn=E2=80=99t change anything else (w= hich is ok), but the IETF Last Call exists to include cross-area review and= to allow others (e.g. non-WG participants) to comment. =C2=A0
=
=
In any case, it seems to me that Yoshi=E2=80=99s comments = are clarifying questions which may not require changes to the document itse= lf. But I=E2=80=99ll leave that discussion/decision to him and to the TSV A= Ds.


Note that if what is want= ed (by the WG) is to Update rfc7810 (and not Obsolete it), and constrain th= e text to be reviewed/commented on, then this is not the right document.=C2= =A0 That document would have contained only the changes.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99r= e still in time to change the direction.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m explicitly cc=E2= =80=99ing the lsr-chairs so they can make any needed clarification.<= /div>

Thanks!

Alvaro.


I can appreciate= that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - let alone the bi= s draft. As a result you have commented on content which is common to the b= is draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810).=C2=A0

While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they ar= e out of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing= is addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc= 7810bis-03#appendix-A=C2=A0
Comments on content no= t related to those changes is out of scope.=C2=A0

I= f you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance o= f RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you to= do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are also = applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to be m= ade to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing such chan= ges in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can under= stand why.=C2=A0
--00000000000021543d057c5e340b-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 13:31:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5861311D6; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 13:30:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SXhUKxn1hx90; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 13:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 832311311D4; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 13:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-f171.google.com (mail-it1-f171.google.com [209.85.166.171]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 902692787C5; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:30:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-it1-f171.google.com with SMTP id z7so3824623iti.0; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 13:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYUz7rG8FFbqHabGMgq7MJvWf86gCGuJD9pKovycEkTrcPAy4/0 GqU+0zPa9KctBupVWNbIKI4thaop0Y3z9NTzPng= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/V6EsxTqEsNEpZOu1BfUhJB5o1hsYbsDlceFd+B2GFNaMZYnJjm3hyYp+KFo1ivMD2qX8mtb5o2jD+UVBa86us= X-Received: by 2002:a24:4016:: with SMTP id n22mr14936ita.25.1544131848281; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 13:30:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <154403709395.31955.8914260506541556177@ietfa.amsl.com> <347556ed4ea34fa7844085e5a6639f13@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <347556ed4ea34fa7844085e5a6639f13@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> From: Yoshifumi Nishida Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 13:30:36 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: ginsberg@cisco.com Cc: "nishida@wide.ad.jp" , tsv-art@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004da7d8057c6136ea" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 21:30:58 -0000 --0000000000004da7d8057c6136ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Les, On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Yoshi - > > Thanx for taking the time to review. > > I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - > let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is > common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810). > > While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are > out of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing > is addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A > Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope. > Just to be clear, my comments on this draft were clarification questions which won't request changes in the spec of the draft because I thought there are a certain ambiguities in the draft. But, if what you really mean is there is no ambiguities or confusions among expected readers on the points I made, it makes a sense to me and I can think I had unnecessary concerns. However, I'm not fully sure about it yet. For example, the draft mentions about delay variation and it seems to me this term is a bit ambiguous. If expected readers can understand it means (for example) mean deviation, I am fine with it. But, in this case,I might want to see supportive comments on this view from the community. Or, if you can clarify that even if there are some discrepancies between implementations it won't affect overall performance of the applications, I am also fine with it. Anyway, I just tried to do my best to read and review the draft. I hope not, but if the points I made don't make sense please let me know. I would like to leave further decisions to ADs. If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance > of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you > to do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are > also applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to > be made to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing such > changes in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can > understand why. > > As regards your Security comment, I am not sure I understand what you are > suggesting. As IGP info is flooded hop-by-hop, man-in-the-middle attacks > have to be able to insert themselves on an IGP enabled link. Use of > cryptographic authentication prevents untrusted sources from being accepted > - which is the point being made. > As Spencer already made my point clear (Thanks Spencer!), I was wondering if we need a normative language here as the draft mentions these info can be sensitive. I was also wondering why the draft didn't mention encryption while it conveys sensitive info. Thanks, -- Yoshi > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yoshifumi Nishida > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:12 AM > > To: tsv-art@ietf.org > > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org > > Subject: Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 > > > > Reviewer: Yoshifumi Nishida > > Review result: Almost Ready > > > > This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review > > team's > > ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written > > primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the > document's > > authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the > > IETF > > discussion list for information. > > > > When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this > > review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC > > tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review. > > > > Summary: This document is almost ready for publication, but several > points > > need > > to be clarified. > > > > 1: In Section 1: > > "While this document does not specify how the performance > information > > should be obtained, the > > measurement of delay SHOULD NOT vary significantly based upon the > > offered > > traffic load." > > > > It is not clear to me that why the measurement of delay should not > vary > > here. Also, queuing delay might be useful info to infer path status. > Could > > you elaborate the delays that the draft tries to capture? > > > > 2: In Section 1: > > "Thus, queuing delays SHOULD NOT be included in the delay > > measurement. " > > > > Is it clear for expected readers how to exclude queuing delays in > their > > measurements? Don't we need to provide any guidances or references > > here? > > Also, what they should do if they cannot exclude it? > > > > 3: In Section 2: > > > > "All values (except residual bandwidth) MUST be calculated as > rolling > > averages where the > > averaging period MUST be a configurable period of time." > > > > This requirement is a bit different from the following texts in > Section 5: > > Also, does this mean only simple moving average must be used or any > > forms of > > moving average is acceptable? > > > > "The values advertised in all sub-TLVs (except min/max delay and > > residual bandwidth) MUST represent an average over a period or be > > obtained by a filter that is reasonably representative of an > average. > > For example, a rolling average is one such filter." > > > > 4: In Section 4.3: > > > > "This sub-TLV advertises the average link delay variation between two > > directly connected IS-IS neighbors. The delay variation advertised > > by this sub-TLV MUST be the delay from the local neighbor to the > > remote one (i.e., the forward-path latency)." > > > > Sorry.. I am not sure how to measure delay variation here. I think > more > > explanation is needed. It seems that it is not variance as the unit > is sec. > > > > 5: In Section 11: > > > > "The use of Link State PDU cryptographic authentication allows > mitigation > > the risk of man-in- > > the-middle attack." > > > > When there is a risk for man-in-the-middle attack, don't we need more > > strong > > requirements for the use of security mechanisms? > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Yoshi > > --0000000000004da7d8057c6136ea Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Les,

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:=
Yoshi -

Thanx for taking the time to review.

I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - = let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is= common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810).

While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they are ou= t of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is doing is = addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A
Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope.
=C2=A0
Just to be clear, my comments on this draft we= re clarification questions which won't request changes in the spec of t= he draft because I thought there are a certain ambiguities in the draft.
But, if what you really mean is there is no ambiguities or confusio= ns among expected readers on the points I made, it makes a sense to me and = I can think I had unnecessary concerns.=C2=A0
However, I'm no= t fully sure about it yet.=C2=A0

For example, the = draft mentions about delay variation and it seems to me this term is a bit = ambiguous. If expected readers can understand it means (for example) mean d= eviation, I am fine with it.
But, in this case,I might want = to see supportive comments on this view from the community.
Or, if you can clarify that even if there are some discrepancies between i= mplementations it won't affect overall performance of the applications,= =C2=A0 I am also fine with it.

Anyway, I just trie= d to do my best to read and review the draft. I hope not, but if the points= I made don't make sense please let me know.
I would like to = leave further decisions to ADs.

If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the substance = of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I encourage you t= o do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on Security) are also= applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon modification would need to be = made to both documents. But I do not want to even start discussing such cha= nges in the context of reviewing the bis draft changes. I hope you can unde= rstand why.

As regards your Security comment, I am not sure I understand what you are s= uggesting. As IGP info is flooded hop-by-hop, man-in-the-middle attacks hav= e to be able to insert themselves on an IGP enabled link. Use of cryptograp= hic authentication prevents untrusted sources from being accepted - which i= s the point being made.

As Spencer alre= ady made my point clear (Thanks Spencer!), I was wondering if we need a nor= mative language here as the draft mentions these info can be sensitive.
I was also wondering why the draft didn't mention encryption whi= le it conveys sensitive info.=C2=A0

Thanks,
<= div>--
Yoshi



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yoshifumi Nishida <nishida@wide.ad.jp>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:12 AM
> To: tsv-art@ietf= .org
> Cc: lsr@ietf.org= ; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org
> Subject: Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03<= br> >
> Reviewer: Yoshifumi Nishida
> Review result: Almost Ready
>
> This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review > team's
> ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were writt= en
> primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the docu= ment's
> authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to = the
> IETF
> discussion list for information.
>
> When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider t= his
> review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always C= C
> tsv-art@ietf.org= if you reply to or forward this review.
>
> Summary: This document is almost ready for publication, but several po= ints
> need
> to be clarified.
>
> 1: In Section 1:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "While this document does not specify how the= performance information
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 should be obtained, the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0measurement of delay SHOULD NOT vary signifi= cantly based upon the
> offered
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic load."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It is not clear to me that why the measurement of delay s= hould not vary
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 here. Also, queuing delay might be useful info to infer p= ath status. Could
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 you elaborate the delays that the draft tries to capture?=
>
> 2: In Section 1:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Thus, queuing delays SHOULD NOT be included = in the delay
> measurement. "
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Is it clear for expected readers how to exclude queuing d= elays in their
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 measurements? Don't we need to provide any guidances = or references
> here?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also, what they should do if they cannot exclude it?
>
> 3: In Section 2:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "All values (except residual bandwidth) MUST = be calculated as rolling
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 averages where the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0averaging period MUST be a configurable peri= od of time."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This requirement is a bit different from the following te= xts in Section 5:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also, does this mean only simple moving average must be u= sed or any
> forms of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 moving average is acceptable?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"The values advertised in all sub-TLVs (except= min/max delay and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 residual bandwidth) MUST represent an average over= a period or be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 obtained by a filter that is reasonably representa= tive of an average.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For example, a rolling average is one such filter.= "
>
> 4: In Section 4.3:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"This sub-TLV advertises the average link dela= y variation between two
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 directly connected IS-IS neighbors.=C2=A0 The dela= y variation advertised
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 by this sub-TLV MUST be the delay from the local n= eighbor to the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 remote one (i.e., the forward-path latency)."=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sorry.. I am not sure how to measure delay variation here= . I think more
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 explanation is needed. It seems that it is not variance a= s the unit is sec.
>
> 5: In Section 11:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"The use of Link State PDU cryptographic authe= ntication allows mitigation
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the risk of man-in-
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the-middle attack."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When there is a risk for man-in-the-middle attack, don= 9;t we need more
> strong
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 requirements for the use of security mechanisms?
>
> Thanks,
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> Yoshi

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Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is: - In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types has a wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF TE, and may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable address. - When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 address (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is not required= . - We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of "te-router-id" to convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may or be a router. - We will clarify the description to say that "This attribute is MAY be mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RFC6119]." Thanks, - Xufeng On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Tom, > I think the only action here is for the authors of > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id definition. As for > the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't change the decade= s > old definitions to achieve uniformity. > Thanks, > Acee > > =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I think that having a different router-id configured per protocol i= s > a > matter of deployment. I don't think that we can impose anything in th= is > area. There are use cases where it is good to have separate router-id= s > per protocol or instances of a protocol. For instance, when a router = is > part of multiple "administrative domains", it is worth having separat= e > router-ids per admin domain. > > > > However I have a concern about the router-id or te-node-id bound t= o > a > 32 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IPv6 network ? > > Stephane > > I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-bit number with no > requirement for that to be an address that can be accessed over the > internet (so I have always found the idea of 'loopback0' unfortunate)= . > Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but merging that concept wit= h > a > router id has always seemed to me unfortunate because they are two > separate concepts. (In fact, I would regard good practice as giving = a > router multiple addresses for different functions, so that e.g. syslo= g > can be separated from SNMP or FTP). > > Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id in an IPv6 network. > Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in an OSPFv3 > Intra-Area-TE-LSA. It is the Router IPv6 Address TLV that carries th= e > 128-bit address. > > When ospf-yang says > container te-rid { > if-feature te-rid; > description "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used for Traff= ic > Engineering (TE)"; > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; description > "Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID."; > } > leaf ipv6-router-id { > type inet:ipv6-address; > description "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6 Router ID.= "; > > then that is when I wonder what is going on. That looks to me like > configuring > Router IPv6 Address TLV > not the router id. > > Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has > > te-node-id: > A type representing the identifier for a node in a topology. T= he > identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the > dotted-quad notation. This attribute is mapped to Router ID in > [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RFC6119]. > > Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG type but agree that it is > 32-bit and not 128. > > Tom Petch. > > > Brgds, > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14 > > To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; lsr@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > > Acee > > > > (Top-posting because the indentation usually fails) > > > > On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look at where > > typedef te-node-id > > is used and the answer is lots of places, because it is part of > > grouping explicit-route-hop { > > description "The explicit route subobject grouping"; > > choice type { > > description "The explicit route subobject type"; > > case num-unnum-hop { > > container num-unnum-hop { > > leaf node-id { > > type te-types:te-node-id; > > description "The identifier of a node in the TE > > topology."; > > and YANG uses of that grouping are many, in several WGs; however, > > because it is a grouping, then the impact of changing the type shou= ld > be > > minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds. > > > > On the multiple router definitions, my research of the IETF memo on= ly > > came up with the two cited RFC which, to me, say that you should us= e > an > > existing router-id if there is one. > > > > I did look at the documentation of A Major Router Manufacturer and > while > > they did not give any advice, the default for a te router-id was > > loopback0 > > while the default for a more general router-id, one without te, was > > loopback0 > > which gives me the message, you can make them different but SHOULD > NOT > > (in IETF terminology). > > > > So while I agree that the two lsr modules should allow per-protocol > > configuration, I think that it should carry a health warning in the > body > > of the I-D that this is not a good idea (I struggle to think of whe= n > it > > would be a good idea, to use three separate identifiers for, say, B= GP > > and the two lsr protocols). > > > > Tom Petch > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" > > To: "tom petch" ; > ; > > ; ; > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Let me try to explain. > > > > > > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petch" wrote: > > > > > > The router id in this I-D confuse me. > > > > > > RFC8294 defines > > > typedef router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > > > Some implementations configure a global router-id while others on= ly > > allow it at the control-plane-protocol level. This is why we have i= t > in > > both places. > > > > > > ospf-yang defines > > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > > > > > > For better or worse, OSPF has a separate TE address that is > routable > > and referred to as the TE router-id. You'll note that this is part = of > > the te-rid container in both the OSPF and IS-IS YANG models. We cou= ld > > add "-te-" to the leaves to avoid confusion. > > > > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types defines > > > typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > ... This attribute is mapped to Router ID .... > > > > > > This is just wrong. It is a routable address in the IGP TE > extensions. > > I've copied the draft authors. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Acee Lindem > > > > > > > > > Three different YANG types for a router id. > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > Behind this, ospf-yang gives as references for a router te id > > > RFC3630(V2) and RFC5329(V3). Reading these, my take is that = a > > router id > > > is needed for te but that the existing id should be used wher= e > > possible > > > i.e. creating an additional identifier for the same instance = of > > the same > > > entity is A Bad Thing (which sounds like a good general > > principle). > > > With two objects in the lsr protocols, that would appear to > make > > at > > > least three identifiers for the same instance of the same > entity. > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > I copy Stephane on this since the same issues apply to the > other > > lsr > > > protocol, mutatis mutandi. > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Acee, Tom, and All,
Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief di= scussion on this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is:

- In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-type= s has a wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF= TE, and may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely i= dentifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable address.
- When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv= 4 address (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is no= t required.
- We intentionally use the term "te-node-id"= ; instead of "te-router-id" to convey the concept that this ID is= on a TE node, which may or may or be a router.
- We will clarify= the description to say that "This attribute is MAY be mapped to TE Ro= uter ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RFC6119]."

Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at= 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cis= co.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I think the only action here is for the authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-= types to fix their te-node-id definition. As for the OSPF Router ID and OSP= F/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't change the decades old definitions to ach= ieve uniformity.
Thanks,
Acee

=EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Hi Tom,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I think that having a different router-id configured per= protocol is a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 matter of deployment. I don't think that we can impose an= ything in this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 area. There are use cases where it is good to have separate r= outer-ids
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 per protocol or instances of a protocol. For instance, when a= router is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 part of multiple "administrative domains", it is wo= rth having separate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 router-ids per admin domain.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > However I have a concern about the router-id or te-node-= id=C2=A0 bound to a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 32 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IPv6 network ?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stephane

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-bit number with = no
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 requirement for that to be an address that can be accessed ov= er the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 internet (so I have always found the idea of 'loopback0&#= 39; unfortunate).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but merging that con= cept with a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 router id has always seemed to me unfortunate because they ar= e two
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 separate concepts.=C2=A0 (In fact, I would regard good practi= ce as giving a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 router multiple addresses for different functions, so that e.= g. syslog
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 can be separated from SNMP or FTP).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id in an IPv6 net= work.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in an OSPFv3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Intra-Area-TE-LSA.=C2=A0 It is the Router IPv6 Address TLV th= at carries the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 128-bit address.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When ospf-yang says
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0container te-rid {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if-feature te-rid; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 &q= uot;Stable OSPF Router IP Address used for Traffic
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Engineering = (TE)";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf ipv4-router-id = { type inet:ipv4-address; description
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID.";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf ipv6-router-id = {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type inet:ipv= 6-address;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description &= quot;Explicitly configure the TE IPv6 Router ID.";

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 then that is when I wonder what is going on.=C2=A0 That looks= to me like
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configuring
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Router IPv6 Address TLV
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 not the router id.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0te-node-id:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A type representing the identifier for a= node in a topology.=C2=A0 The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 identifier is represented as 32-bit unsi= gned integer in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 dotted-quad notation.=C2=A0 This attribu= te is mapped to Router ID in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RF= C6119].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG type but agree tha= t it is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 32-bit and not 128.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tom Petch.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Brgds,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; lsr@ietf.org;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@iet= f.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Acee
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > (Top-posting because the indentation usually fails)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look at where
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > typedef te-node-id
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > is used and the answer is lots of places, because it is = part of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0grouping explicit-route-hop {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "The ex= plicit route subobject grouping";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0choice type {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 =C2=A0"= The explicit route subobject type";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case num-unnum-hop {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0container num-unnum-hop= {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf node-id { =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type te-t= ypes:te-node-id;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0descripti= on=C2=A0 =C2=A0"The identifier of a node in the TE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > topology.";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > and YANG uses of that grouping are many, in several WGs;= however,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > because it is a grouping, then the impact of changing th= e type should
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > On the multiple router definitions, my research of the I= ETF memo only
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > came up with the two cited RFC which, to me, say that yo= u should use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > existing router-id if there is one.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I did look at the documentation of A Major Router Manufa= cturer and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 while
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > they did not give any advice, the default for a te route= r-id was
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > loopback0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > while the default for a more general router-id, one with= out te, was
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > loopback0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > which gives me the message, you can make them different = but SHOULD NOT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > (in IETF terminology).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > So while I agree that the two lsr modules should allow p= er-protocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > configuration, I think that it should carry a health war= ning in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 body
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > of the I-D that this is not a good idea (I struggle to t= hink of when
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > would be a good idea, to use three separate identifiers = for, say, BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > and the two lsr protocols).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Tom Petch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > ----- Original Message -----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > To: "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > <ls= r@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org>;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > Hi Tom,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > Let me try to explain.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The router id in this I-D confus= e me.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8294 defines
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 typedef router-id= { type yang:dotted-quad;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > Some implementations configure a global router-id w= hile others only
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > allow it at the control-plane-protocol level. This is wh= y we have it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > both places.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ospf-yang defines
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet= :ipv4-address;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > For better or worse, OSPF has a separate TE address= that is routable
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > and referred to as the TE router-id. You'll note tha= t this is part of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the te-rid container in both the OSPF and IS-IS YANG mod= els. We could
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > add "-te-" to the leaves to avoid confusion. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types de= fines
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0typedef te-node-id {=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type yang:dotted-quad;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0T= his attribute is mapped to Router ID ....
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > This is just wrong. It is a routable address in the= IGP TE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 extensions.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I've copied the draft authors.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > Acee Lindem
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Three different YANG types for a= router id.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Behind this, ospf-yang gives as = references for a router te id
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC3630(V2) and RFC5329(V3).=C2= =A0 Reading these, my take is that a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > router id
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is needed for te but that the ex= isting id should be used where
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > possible
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i.e. creating an additional iden= tifier for the same instance of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the same
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity is A Bad Thing (which sou= nds like a good general
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > principle).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With two objects in the lsr prot= ocols, that would appear to make
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > at
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0least three identifiers for the = same instance of the same
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 entity.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I copy Stephane on this since th= e same issues apply to the other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > lsr
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0protocol, mutatis mutandi.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
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[5.95.98.64]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v132sm3532011wme.20.2018.12.07.02.36.37 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Dec 2018 02:36:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: stefano previdi In-Reply-To: <67ec6658191947d694362a7d88056514@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 11:37:09 +0100 Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Christian Hopps , "lsr@ietf.org" , "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , Yoshifumi Nishida , "tsv-art@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <69CCE4B8-6A9B-425D-839D-E98579168570@previdi.net> References: <154403709395.31955.8914260506541556177@ietfa.amsl.com> <347556ed4ea34fa7844085e5a6639f13@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <67ec6658191947d694362a7d88056514@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 10:36:48 -0000 Hi All, > On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = wrote: >=20 > Alvaro =E2=80=93 > =20 > I am not in agreement with your POV. > =20 > The work undertaken for this revision was very specifically to address = Errata ID: 5293 (https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D7810) = . This was deemed critical because the format of several sub-TLVs was = incorrectly specified and we learned that this resulted in an = interoperability problem because some implementations chose to include = the unneeded reserved field and used a sub-TLV length of 5 whereas other = implementations omitted the Reserved field and used the specified length = of 4. We wanted to fasttrack this change to avoid further = interoperability issues. > =20 > Just prior to preparing for last call Errata ID: 5486 = (https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5486) was posted. As this was only = an editorial change we decided to address that as well. > =20 > There was never an intent to review/alter any other portion of the = document. Rather we constrained the changes precisely so that we could = publish a corrected version of the RFC ASAP. correct. This also was pointed out at the time of editing and submission = of this draft. The WG agreed to move on without res-pinning th whole = reviwe process exactly for the reasons above. > Your argument that since we are obsoleting RFC 7810 the entire = document is fair game is not consistent with the agreed upon scope of = the changes. > The WG never agreed to open up the document for general revision and I = do not believe it should be within the purview of IESG review to alter = the scope of the work the WG agreed to take on. > =20 > Suggesting that rather than issue a new version of RFC7810 we should = issue a smaller document only with the corrections is a viable option = =E2=80=93 but IMO makes an unnecessary mess of things. > =20 > As an aside, it is quite frustrating to me that it is almost 9 months = since this work was started and we still have yet to complete it. Taking = this long to publish a non-controversial and much needed editorial = revision is much too long. Though I appreciate we are getting closer, I = think this does not speak well of us as an organization. Opening up the = document to general review can do nothing but delay this further =E2=80=93= making it more likely that additional non-interoperable implementations = may be written. +1. Thanks. s. > =20 > Yoshi (or any other IETF participant) is free at any time to raise = questions about RFC7810/RFC7471 and the WG can decide whether it agrees = that changes are needed. But that is not within the scope of this work. > =20 > Les > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Alvaro Retana =20 > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 9:55 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) = ; Christian Hopps > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis.all@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; Yoshifumi = Nishida ; tsv-art@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Tsvart last call review of = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 > =20 > On December 5, 2018 at 7:52:00 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = (ginsberg@cisco.com) wrote: > =20 > Les: > =20 > You are right in pointing out that the changes made to rfc7810 are the = ones mentioned in the appendix. That was the motivation that originated = this work. > =20 > However, this document doesn=E2=80=99t just modify rfc7810, it = formally declares it Obsolete. That indicates that we (the WG, etc.) = are opening up the whole document for review/comments=E2=80=A6which = obviously means that Yoshi=E2=80=99s comments are not out of scope. The = WG didn=E2=80=99t change anything else (which is ok), but the IETF Last = Call exists to include cross-area review and to allow others (e.g. = non-WG participants) to comment. =20 > =20 > In any case, it seems to me that Yoshi=E2=80=99s comments are = clarifying questions which may not require changes to the document = itself. But I=E2=80=99ll leave that discussion/decision to him and to = the TSV ADs. > =20 > =20 > Note that if what is wanted (by the WG) is to Update rfc7810 (and not = Obsolete it), and constrain the text to be reviewed/commented on, then = this is not the right document. That document would have contained only = the changes. We=E2=80=99re still in time to change the direction. = I=E2=80=99m explicitly cc=E2=80=99ing the lsr-chairs so they can make = any needed clarification. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Alvaro. > =20 > =20 > I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at = RFC7810 - let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on = content which is common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying = (RFC 7810).=20 >=20 > While your questions in isolation may be interesting, I believe they = are out of scope for the review of the bis draft. What the bis draft is = doing is addressing two modest errata - details of which can be found in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03#appendix-A=20= > Comments on content not related to those changes is out of scope.=20 >=20 > If you have an interest in this topic and want to comment on the = substance of RFC 7810 and its companion document for OSPF RFC 7471, I = encourage you to do so. Note that all of your comments (save the one on = Security) are also applicable to RFC 7471 - so any agreed upon = modification would need to be made to both documents. But I do not want = to even start discussing such changes in the context of reviewing the = bis draft changes. I hope you can understand why. 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This is an update from draft-li-area-abstraction. The name was changed = per WG Chair request. This version also addresses some comments received from Bruno Decraene. The IPR disclosure for this document has been updated to reflect the new = name. As always, questions and comments are encouraged. 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Draft updated.

This is an update from = draft-li-area-abstraction. The name was changed per WG Chair = request.

This = version also addresses some comments received from = Bruno Decraene.

The IPR disclosure for this document has been updated to = reflect the new name.

As always, questions and comments are encouraged.

Happy = holidays,
Tony


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A new version of I-D, = draft-li-lsr-isis-area-abstraction-00.txt
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Name: = draft-li-lsr-isis-area-abstraction
Revision: 00
Title:= = Level 1 Area Abstraction for IS-IS
Document = date: = 2018-12-07
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 7
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-abs= traction-00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-abstrac= tion/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-abstraction-= 00
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-ab= straction


Abstract:
  Link state routing protocols have hierarchical = abstraction already
  built into them. =  However, when lower levels are used for transit,
=   they must expose their internal topologies, leading to scale = issues.

  To avoid this, this = document discusses extensions to the IS-IS
=   routing protocol that would allow level 1 areas to provide = transit,
  yet only inject an abstraction of = the topology into level 2.



Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized = version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat


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This was adequate for the networks at the > time. As we continue to expand the scale of our networks, it is > apparent that additional hierarchy would be a welcome degree of > flexibility in network design. >=20 > This document defines IS-IS Levels 3 through 8. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_94C01C4C-1DDE-47F4-8610-C38ABD37F749 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
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Date: = December 7, 2018 at 10:31:08 AM = PST
To: = "Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li>

A new version of I-D, = draft-li-lsr-isis-hierarchical-isis-00.txt
has been = successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to the
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Name: = draft-li-lsr-isis-hierarchical-isis
Revision: 00
Title:= = Hierarchical IS-IS
Document date: = 2018-12-07
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 7
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-lsr-isis-hierarch= ical-isis-00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-isis-hierarchical= -isis/
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-lsr-isis-hierarchical-isis= -00
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-lsr-isis-hierarc= hical-isis


Abstract:
  The IS-IS routing protocol was originally = defined with a two level
  hierarchical = structure.  This was adequate for the networks at the
=   time.  As we continue to expand the scale of our = networks, it is
  apparent that additional = hierarchy would be a welcome degree of
=   flexibility in network design.

=   This document defines IS-IS Levels 3 through 8.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the = time of submission
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<00f201d48e50$076e8b40$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: Xufeng Liu Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: "t.petch" Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Stephane Litkowski , lsr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ebadce057cac0a44" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-ospf-yang X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:47:28 -0000 --000000000000ebadce057cac0a44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, Thanks for checking on this. Agree that we need to fix the description text. What about the following? te-node-id: A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]. Or, would you give a suggestion? Thanks, - Xufeng On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:14 PM tom petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Xufeng Liu" > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > Hi Acee, Tom, and All, > > Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief discussion > on > this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is: > > - In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types has > a > wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF TE, > and > may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely > identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable address. > - When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 address > (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is not > required. > - We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of "te-router-id" > to > convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may or be > a > router. > - We will clarify the description to say that "This attribute is MAY be > mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and > [RFC6119]." > > > > Xufeng > > Thanks for the clarification - I understand better now. > > However, I think that your proposed text is not quite right. RFC5329 > does not defined a TE Router ID - in fact, I think that that concept is > alien to OSPF. OSPF has a 32 bit number that is the Router ID with no > requirement for that to be a routable address; which is why (IMHO) > RFC5329 defines a > Router IPv6 Address TLV > which carries a routable address (which can meet the needs of TE). > > Likewise, RFC3630, for OSPFv2, does not have the concept of a TE Router > ID; rather, it has a > Router Address TLV > which specifies a stable IP address (which can meet the needs of TE). > > And then there is RFC5786 which defines, for OSPF, the > Node Attribute TLV > with sub-TLV for > Node IPv4 Local Address > Node IPv6 Local Address > allowing for multiple TE addresses for different traffic types. > > I grant you that RFC6119 defines a > TE Router ID > but the concept is alien to OSPF (IMHO). > > So, if you want to use the term > TE Router ID > then I think that you will need to explain how that maps onto the > terminology of the existing OSPF RFC. > > Tom Petch > > Thanks, > - Xufeng > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > I think the only action here is for the authors of > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id definition. As > for > > the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't change the > decades > > old definitions to achieve uniformity. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > I think that having a different router-id configured per > protocol is > > a > > matter of deployment. I don't think that we can impose anything in > this > > area. There are use cases where it is good to have separate > router-ids > > per protocol or instances of a protocol. For instance, when a > router is > > part of multiple "administrative domains", it is worth having > separate > > router-ids per admin domain. > > > > > > However I have a concern about the router-id or te-node-id > bound to > > a > > 32 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IPv6 network ? > > > > Stephane > > > > I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-bit number with no > > requirement for that to be an address that can be accessed over > the > > internet (so I have always found the idea of 'loopback0' > unfortunate). > > Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but merging that concept > with > > a > > router id has always seemed to me unfortunate because they are two > > separate concepts. (In fact, I would regard good practice as > giving a > > router multiple addresses for different functions, so that e.g. > syslog > > can be separated from SNMP or FTP). > > > > Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id in an IPv6 network. > > Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in an OSPFv3 > > Intra-Area-TE-LSA. It is the Router IPv6 Address TLV that carries > the > > 128-bit address. > > > > When ospf-yang says > > container te-rid { > > if-feature te-rid; > > description "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used for > Traffic > > Engineering (TE)"; > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > description > > "Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID."; > > } > > leaf ipv6-router-id { > > type inet:ipv6-address; > > description "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6 Router > ID."; > > > > then that is when I wonder what is going on. That looks to me > like > > configuring > > Router IPv6 Address TLV > > not the router id. > > > > Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has > > > > te-node-id: > > A type representing the identifier for a node in a topology. > The > > identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the > > dotted-quad notation. This attribute is mapped to Router ID > in > > [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RFC6119]. > > > > Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG type but agree that it > is > > 32-bit and not 128. > > > > Tom Petch. > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14 > > > To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; > lsr@ietf.org; > > draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > > > > Acee > > > > > > (Top-posting because the indentation usually fails) > > > > > > On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look at where > > > typedef te-node-id > > > is used and the answer is lots of places, because it is part of > > > grouping explicit-route-hop { > > > description "The explicit route subobject grouping"; > > > choice type { > > > description "The explicit route subobject type"; > > > case num-unnum-hop { > > > container num-unnum-hop { > > > leaf node-id { > > > type te-types:te-node-id; > > > description "The identifier of a node in the TE > > > topology."; > > > and YANG uses of that grouping are many, in several WGs; > however, > > > because it is a grouping, then the impact of changing the type > should > > be > > > minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds. > > > > > > On the multiple router definitions, my research of the IETF memo > only > > > came up with the two cited RFC which, to me, say that you should > use > > an > > > existing router-id if there is one. > > > > > > I did look at the documentation of A Major Router Manufacturer > and > > while > > > they did not give any advice, the default for a te router-id was > > > loopback0 > > > while the default for a more general router-id, one without te, > was > > > loopback0 > > > which gives me the message, you can make them different but > SHOULD > > NOT > > > (in IETF terminology). > > > > > > So while I agree that the two lsr modules should allow > per-protocol > > > configuration, I think that it should carry a health warning in > the > > body > > > of the I-D that this is not a good idea (I struggle to think of > when > > it > > > would be a good idea, to use three separate identifiers for, > say, BGP > > > and the two lsr protocols). > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" > > > To: "tom petch" ; > > ; > > > ; ; > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > Let me try to explain. > > > > > > > > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petch" wrote: > > > > > > > > The router id in this I-D confuse me. > > > > > > > > RFC8294 defines > > > > typedef router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > > > > > Some implementations configure a global router-id while others > only > > > allow it at the control-plane-protocol level. This is why we > have it > > in > > > both places. > > > > > > > > ospf-yang defines > > > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > > > > > > > > For better or worse, OSPF has a separate TE address that is > > routable > > > and referred to as the TE router-id. You'll note that this is > part of > > > the te-rid container in both the OSPF and IS-IS YANG models. We > could > > > add "-te-" to the leaves to avoid confusion. > > > > > > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types defines > > > > typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > ... This attribute is mapped to Router ID .... > > > > > > > > This is just wrong. It is a routable address in the IGP TE > > extensions. > > > I've copied the draft authors. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Acee Lindem > > > > > > > > > > > > Three different YANG types for a router id. > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > Behind this, ospf-yang gives as references for a router te > id > > > > RFC3630(V2) and RFC5329(V3). 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Hi Tom,

Thanks for checking on t= his. Agree that we need to fix the description text. What about the followi= ng?

te-node-id:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology.=C2=A0 The i= dentifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad nota= tion.=C2=A0 This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in= Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RF= C6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5= 305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reac= hability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6= .2 of [RFC6827].

Or, would you give a suggesti= on?

Thanks,
- Xufeng

=
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12= :14 PM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect= .com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xufeng Liu" <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang


Hi Acee, Tom, and All,

Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief discussion
on
this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is:

- In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types has a
wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF TE,
and
may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely
identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable address.
- When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 address
(such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is not
required.
- We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of "te-= router-id"
to
convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may or be
a
router.
- We will clarify the description to say that "This attribute is MAY b= e
mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and
[RFC6119]."

<tp>

Xufeng

Thanks for the clarification - I understand better now.

However, I think that your proposed text is not quite right.=C2=A0 RFC5329<= br> does not defined a TE Router ID - in fact, I think that that concept is
alien to OSPF.=C2=A0 OSPF has a 32 bit number that is the Router ID with no=
requirement for that to be a routable address; which is why (IMHO)
RFC5329 defines a
Router IPv6 Address TLV
which carries a routable address (which can meet the needs of TE).

Likewise, RFC3630, for OSPFv2, does not have the concept of a TE Router
ID; rather, it has a
Router Address TLV
which specifies a stable IP address (which can meet the needs of TE).

And then there is RFC5786 which defines, for OSPF,=C2=A0 the
Node Attribute TLV
with sub-TLV for
Node IPv4 Local Address
Node IPv6 Local Address
allowing for multiple TE addresses for different traffic types.

I grant you that RFC6119 defines a
=C2=A0TE Router ID
but the concept is alien to OSPF (IMHO).

So, if you want to use the term
=C2=A0TE Router ID
then I think that you will need to explain how that maps onto the
terminology of the existing OSPF RFC.

Tom Petch

Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> I think the only action here is for the authors of
> draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id definition. As for
> the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't change the=
decades
> old definitions to achieve uniformity.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wro= te:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Message -----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hi Tom,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I think that having a different router-id conf= igured per
protocol is
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0matter of deployment. I don't think that we can= impose anything in
this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0area. There are use cases where it is good to have = separate
router-ids
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0per protocol or instances of a protocol. For instan= ce, when a
router is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0part of multiple "administrative domains"= , it is worth having
separate
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router-ids per admin domain.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> However I have a concern about the router-id o= r te-node-id
bound to
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A032 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IPv6 ne= twork ?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephane
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-bit nu= mber with no
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0requirement for that to be an address that can be a= ccessed over
the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0internet (so I have always found the idea of 'l= oopback0'
unfortunate).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but mergin= g that concept
with
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router id has always seemed to me unfortunate becau= se they are two
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0separate concepts.=C2=A0 (In fact, I would regard g= ood practice as
giving a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router multiple addresses for different functions, = so that e.g.
syslog
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can be separated from SNMP or FTP).
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id in a= n IPv6 network.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in an OS= PFv3
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Intra-Area-TE-LSA.=C2=A0 It is the Router IPv6 Addr= ess TLV that carries
the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0128-bit address.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When ospf-yang says
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 container te-rid {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if-feature te-r= id;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description=C2= =A0 "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used for
Traffic
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0En= gineering (TE)";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv4-route= r-id { type inet:ipv4-address;
description
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &= quot;Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID.";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv6-route= r-id {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type ine= t:ipv6-address;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descript= ion "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6 Router
ID.";
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0then that is when I wonder what is going on.=C2=A0 = That looks to me
like
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuring
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Router IPv6 Address TLV
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not the router id.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 te-node-id:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A type representing the identi= fier for a node in a topology.
The
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identifier is represented as 3= 2-bit unsigned integer in the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0dotted-quad notation.=C2=A0 Th= is attribute is mapped to Router ID
in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305= ], and [RFC6119].
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG type but= agree that it
is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A032-bit and not 128.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Brgds,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS= /OINIS;
lsr@ietf.org;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org;
draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Acee
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (Top-posting because the indentation usually f= ails)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look at wh= ere
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> typedef te-node-id
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is used and the answer is lots of places, beca= use it is part of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0grouping explicit-route-hop {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &q= uot;The explicit route subobject grouping";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0choice type {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 = =C2=A0"The explicit route subobject type";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case num-unnum-hop {=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0container num= -unnum-hop {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf n= ode-id {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0type te-types:te-node-id;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0description=C2=A0 =C2=A0"The identifier of a node in the TE
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> topology.";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and YANG uses of that grouping are many, in se= veral WGs;
however,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> because it is a grouping, then the impact of c= hanging the type
should
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On the multiple router definitions, my researc= h of the IETF memo
only
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> came up with the two cited RFC which, to me, s= ay that you should
use
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> existing router-id if there is one.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I did look at the documentation of A Major Rou= ter Manufacturer
and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0while
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> they did not give any advice, the default for = a te router-id was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> loopback0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> while the default for a more general router-id= , one without te,
was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> loopback0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which gives me the message, you can make them = different but
SHOULD
> NOT
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (in IETF terminology).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> So while I agree that the two lsr modules shou= ld allow
per-protocol
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> configuration, I think that it should carry a = health warning in
the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0body
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of the I-D that this is not a good idea (I str= uggle to think of
when
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> would be a good idea, to use three separate id= entifiers for,
say, BGP
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and the two lsr protocols).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Tom Petch
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ----- Original Message -----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<stephane.litkowski@orange.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <lsr@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Hi Tom,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Let me try to explain.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petch&quo= t; <ietfc@btcon= nect.com> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The router id in this = I-D confuse me.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8294 defines
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 typedef= router-id { type yang:dotted-quad;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Some implementations configure a global r= outer-id while others
only
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> allow it at the control-plane-protocol level. = This is why we
have it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> both places.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ospf-yang defines
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv4-router-id {= type inet:ipv4-address;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > For better or worse, OSPF has a separate = TE address that is
> routable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and referred to as the TE router-id. You'l= l note that this is
part of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the te-rid container in both the OSPF and IS-I= S YANG models. We
could
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> add "-te-" to the leaves to avoid co= nfusion.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-teas-yang-t= e-types defines
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0typedef te-node= -id {=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type yang:dotted-quad;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0This attribute is mapped to Router ID ....
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > This is just wrong. It is a routable addr= ess in the IGP TE
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I've copied the draft authors.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Acee Lindem
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Three different YANG t= ypes for a router id.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Behind this, ospf-yang= gives as references for a router te
id
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC3630(V2) and RFC532= 9(V3).=C2=A0 Reading these, my take is
that a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> router id
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is needed for te but t= hat the existing id should be used
where
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> possible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i.e. creating an addit= ional identifier for the same
instance of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the same
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity is A Bad Thing = (which sounds like a good general
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> principle).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With two objects in th= e lsr protocols, that would appear
to
> make
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> at
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0least three identifier= s for the same instance of the same
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I copy Stephane on thi= s since the same issues apply to the
> other
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> lsr
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0protocol, mutatis muta= ndi.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:40:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels Authors : Anton Smirnov Alvaro Retana Michael Barnes Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2018-12-10 Abstract: When using Traffic Engineering (TE) in a dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 network, the Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) TE Label Switched Paths (LSP) infrastructure may be duplicated, even if the destination IPv4 and IPv6 addresses belong to the same remote router. In order to achieve an integrated MPLS TE LSP infrastructure, OSPF routes must be computed over MPLS TE tunnels created using information propagated in another OSPF instance. This issue is solved by advertising cross- address family (X-AF) OSPF TE information. This document describes an update to RFC5786 that allows for the easy identification of a router's local X-AF IP addresses. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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In order > to achieve an integrated MPLS TE LSP infrastructure, OSPF routes must > be computed over MPLS TE tunnels created using information propagated > in another OSPF instance. This issue is solved by advertising cross- > address family (X-AF) OSPF TE information. > > This document describes an update to RFC5786 that allows for the easy > identification of a router's local X-AF IP addresses. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > 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[IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54235127332; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:51:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154453266328.13164.11153335426138552879@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:51:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-27.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 12:51:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for IS-IS protocol Authors : Stephane Litkowski Derek Yeung Acee Lindem Jeffrey Zhang Ladislav Lhotka Filename : draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-27.txt Pages : 114 Date : 2018-12-11 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage IS-IS protocol on network elements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-27 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-27 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-27 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 11 12:44:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E80130F14; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 12:43:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , chopps@chopps.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, Christian Hopps , lsr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <154456103147.13147.12707415300924419050.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 12:43:51 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Protocol Action: 'IS-IS Routing with Reverse Metric' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17.txt) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:43:52 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IS-IS Routing with Reverse Metric' (draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-17.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Link State Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric/ Technical Summary This document describes a mechanism to allow IS-IS routing to quickly and accurately shift traffic away from either a point-to-point or multi-access LAN interface during network maintenance or other operational events. This is accomplished by signaling adjacent IS-IS neighbors with a higher reverse metric, i.e., the metric towards the signaling IS-IS router. Working Group Summary Normal WG process. Document Quality There is vendor and operator interest in this technology. The document had a good amount of review by the WG, changes were requested and incorporated by the authors. 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Agree that we need to fix the description > text. What about the following? > > te-node-id: > A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. > The > identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad > notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described > in > Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of > [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of > [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. > The > reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as > Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]. > > Or, would you give a suggestion? > > > > Looks good. > > One query I cannot answer; should > RFC5786 Advertising a Router's Local Addresses in OSPF > TE Extensions. R. Aggarwal, K. Kompella. March 2010 > be there as well? On the face of it, it looks relevant and would appear > to meet a need but I note its absence from ospf-yang; I do not know how > widely it is implemented or used. This RFC is updated by RFC6827. RFC6827 uses RFC5786, making it more generic and more complete, I think. As you said, RFC6827 has updated RFC5786, which is cited heavily in RFC6827. So, logically RFC5786 is already covered. Since RFC5786 does not provide a TE Router ID mapping by itself, I could not figure out a concise wording to cite it separately, so I felt that RFC6827 would be more relevant. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks, - Xufeng > > Tom Petch > > Thanks, > - Xufeng > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:14 PM tom petch wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Xufeng Liu" > > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > > > > Hi Acee, Tom, and All, > > > > Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief > discussion > > on > > this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is: > > > > - In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types > has > > a > > wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF > TE, > > and > > may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely > > identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable address. > > - When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 address > > (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is not > > required. > > - We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of "te-router-id" > > to > > convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may or > be > > a > > router. > > - We will clarify the description to say that "This attribute is MAY > be > > mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and > > [RFC6119]." > > > > > > > > Xufeng > > > > Thanks for the clarification - I understand better now. > > > > However, I think that your proposed text is not quite right. RFC5329 > > does not defined a TE Router ID - in fact, I think that that concept > is > > alien to OSPF. OSPF has a 32 bit number that is the Router ID with no > > requirement for that to be a routable address; which is why (IMHO) > > RFC5329 defines a > > Router IPv6 Address TLV > > which carries a routable address (which can meet the needs of TE). > > > > Likewise, RFC3630, for OSPFv2, does not have the concept of a TE > Router > > ID; rather, it has a > > Router Address TLV > > which specifies a stable IP address (which can meet the needs of TE). > > > > And then there is RFC5786 which defines, for OSPF, the > > Node Attribute TLV > > with sub-TLV for > > Node IPv4 Local Address > > Node IPv6 Local Address > > allowing for multiple TE addresses for different traffic types. > > > > I grant you that RFC6119 defines a > > TE Router ID > > but the concept is alien to OSPF (IMHO). > > > > So, if you want to use the term > > TE Router ID > > then I think that you will need to explain how that maps onto the > > terminology of the existing OSPF RFC. > > > > Tom Petch > > > > Thanks, > > - Xufeng > > > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > I think the only action here is for the authors of > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id definition. As > > for > > > the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't change the > > decades > > > old definitions to achieve uniformity. > > > Thanks, > > > Acee > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" wrot= e: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > I think that having a different router-id configured per > > protocol is > > > a > > > matter of deployment. I don't think that we can impose anything > in > > this > > > area. There are use cases where it is good to have separate > > router-ids > > > per protocol or instances of a protocol. For instance, when a > > router is > > > part of multiple "administrative domains", it is worth having > > separate > > > router-ids per admin domain. > > > > > > > > However I have a concern about the router-id or te-node-id > > bound to > > > a > > > 32 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IPv6 network ? > > > > > > Stephane > > > > > > I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-bit number with no > > > requirement for that to be an address that can be accessed over > > the > > > internet (so I have always found the idea of 'loopback0' > > unfortunate). > > > Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but merging that > concept > > with > > > a > > > router id has always seemed to me unfortunate because they are > two > > > separate concepts. (In fact, I would regard good practice as > > giving a > > > router multiple addresses for different functions, so that e.g. > > syslog > > > can be separated from SNMP or FTP). > > > > > > Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id in an IPv6 > network. > > > Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in an OSPFv3 > > > Intra-Area-TE-LSA. It is the Router IPv6 Address TLV that > carries > > the > > > 128-bit address. > > > > > > When ospf-yang says > > > container te-rid { > > > if-feature te-rid; > > > description "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used for > > Traffic > > > Engineering (TE)"; > > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > > description > > > "Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID."; > > > } > > > leaf ipv6-router-id { > > > type inet:ipv6-address; > > > description "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6 > Router > > ID."; > > > > > > then that is when I wonder what is going on. That looks to me > > like > > > configuring > > > Router IPv6 Address TLV > > > not the router id. > > > > > > Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has > > > > > > te-node-id: > > > A type representing the identifier for a node in a > topology. > > The > > > identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in > the > > > dotted-quad notation. This attribute is mapped to Router > ID > > in > > > [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RFC6119]. > > > > > > Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG type but agree that > it > > is > > > 32-bit and not 128. > > > > > > Tom Petch. > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14 > > > > To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; > > lsr@ietf.org; > > > draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org; > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > > > > > > Acee > > > > > > > > (Top-posting because the indentation usually fails) > > > > > > > > On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look at where > > > > typedef te-node-id > > > > is used and the answer is lots of places, because it is part > of > > > > grouping explicit-route-hop { > > > > description "The explicit route subobject grouping"; > > > > choice type { > > > > description "The explicit route subobject type"; > > > > case num-unnum-hop { > > > > container num-unnum-hop { > > > > leaf node-id { > > > > type te-types:te-node-id; > > > > description "The identifier of a node in the TE > > > > topology."; > > > > and YANG uses of that grouping are many, in several WGs; > > however, > > > > because it is a grouping, then the impact of changing the type > > should > > > be > > > > minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds. > > > > > > > > On the multiple router definitions, my research of the IETF > memo > > only > > > > came up with the two cited RFC which, to me, say that you > should > > use > > > an > > > > existing router-id if there is one. > > > > > > > > I did look at the documentation of A Major Router Manufacturer > > and > > > while > > > > they did not give any advice, the default for a te router-id > was > > > > loopback0 > > > > while the default for a more general router-id, one without > te, > > was > > > > loopback0 > > > > which gives me the message, you can make them different but > > SHOULD > > > NOT > > > > (in IETF terminology). > > > > > > > > So while I agree that the two lsr modules should allow > > per-protocol > > > > configuration, I think that it should carry a health warning > in > > the > > > body > > > > of the I-D that this is not a good idea (I struggle to think > of > > when > > > it > > > > would be a good idea, to use three separate identifiers for, > > say, BGP > > > > and the two lsr protocols). > > > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" > > > > To: "tom petch" ; > > > ; > > > > ; ; > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > > > Let me try to explain. > > > > > > > > > > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petch" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The router id in this I-D confuse me. > > > > > > > > > > RFC8294 defines > > > > > typedef router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > > > > > > > Some implementations configure a global router-id while > others > > only > > > > allow it at the control-plane-protocol level. This is why we > > have it > > > in > > > > both places. > > > > > > > > > > ospf-yang defines > > > > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > > > > > > > > > > For better or worse, OSPF has a separate TE address that is > > > routable > > > > and referred to as the TE router-id. You'll note that this is > > part of > > > > the te-rid container in both the OSPF and IS-IS YANG models. > We > > could > > > > add "-te-" to the leaves to avoid confusion. > > > > > > > > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types defines > > > > > typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > > ... This attribute is mapped to Router ID .... > > > > > > > > > > This is just wrong. It is a routable address in the IGP TE > > > extensions. > > > > I've copied the draft authors. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Acee Lindem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three different YANG types for a router id. > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > > Behind this, ospf-yang gives as references for a router > te > > id > > > > > RFC3630(V2) and RFC5329(V3). Reading these, my take is > > that a > > > > router id > > > > > is needed for te but that the existing id should be used > > where > > > > possible > > > > > i.e. creating an additional identifier for the same > > instance of > > > > the same > > > > > entity is A Bad Thing (which sounds like a good general > > > > principle). > > > > > With two objects in the lsr protocols, that would appear > > to > > > make > > > > at > > > > > least three identifiers for the same instance of the > same > > > entity. > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > > I copy Stephane on this since the same issues apply to > the > > > other > > > > lsr > > > > > protocol, mutatis mutandi. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des > > informations > > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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On Tue= , Dec 11, 2018 at 7:25 AM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xufeng Liu" <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 2:47 PM

Hi Tom,

Thanks for checking on this. Agree that we need to fix the description
text. What about the following?

te-node-id:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE = topology.
The
identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad
notation.=C2=A0 This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address describe= d
in
Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of
[RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119].
The
reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as
Section 6.2 of [RFC6827].

Or, would you give a suggestion?

<tp>

Looks good.

One query I cannot answer; should
=C2=A0 RFC5786 Advertising a Router's Local Addresses in OSPF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0TE Extensions. R. Aggarwal, K. Kompella. March 2010
be there as well?=C2=A0 On the face of it, it looks relevant and would appe= ar
to meet a need but I note its absence from ospf-yang; I do not know how
widely it is implemented or used.=C2=A0 This RFC is updated by RFC6827.
=C2=A0
RFC6827 uses RFC5786, making it more generic= and more complete, I think.=C2=A0 As you said, RFC6827 has updated RFC5786= , which is cited heavily in RFC6827. So, logically RFC5786 is already cover= ed. Since RFC5786 does not provide a TE Router ID mapping by itself, I coul= d not figure out a concise wording to cite it separately, so I felt that RF= C6827 would be more relevant. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
Thanks,
- Xufeng

Tom Petch

Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:14 PM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Xufeng Liu" <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang
>
>
> Hi Acee, Tom, and All,
>
> Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief
discussion
> on
> this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is:
>
> - In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types has
> a
> wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF TE,
> and
> may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely
> identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable address.<= br> > - When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 address=
> (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is not
> required.
> - We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of &quo= t;te-router-id"
> to
> convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may or be
> a
> router.
> - We will clarify the description to say that "This attribute is = MAY
be
> mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and
> [RFC6119]."
>
> <tp>
>
> Xufeng
>
> Thanks for the clarification - I understand better now.
>
> However, I think that your proposed text is not quite right.=C2=A0 RFC= 5329
> does not defined a TE Router ID - in fact, I think that that concept is
> alien to OSPF.=C2=A0 OSPF has a 32 bit number that is the Router ID wi= th no
> requirement for that to be a routable address; which is why (IMHO)
> RFC5329 defines a
> Router IPv6 Address TLV
> which carries a routable address (which can meet the needs of TE).
>
> Likewise, RFC3630, for OSPFv2, does not have the concept of a TE
Router
> ID; rather, it has a
> Router Address TLV
> which specifies a stable IP address (which can meet the needs of TE).<= br> >
> And then there is RFC5786 which defines, for OSPF,=C2=A0 the
> Node Attribute TLV
> with sub-TLV for
> Node IPv4 Local Address
> Node IPv6 Local Address
> allowing for multiple TE addresses for different traffic types.
>
> I grant you that RFC6119 defines a
>=C2=A0 TE Router ID
> but the concept is alien to OSPF (IMHO).
>
> So, if you want to use the term
>=C2=A0 TE Router ID
> then I think that you will need to explain how that maps onto the
> terminology of the existing OSPF RFC.
>
> Tom Petch
>
> Thanks,
> - Xufeng
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
> > I think the only action here is for the authors of
> > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id definition.= As
> for
> > the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't chang= e the
> decades
> > old definitions to achieve uniformity.
> > Thanks,
> > Acee
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com&g= t; wrote:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Message -----
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM > >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hi Tom,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I think that having a different router-id= configured per
> protocol is
> > a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0matter of deployment. I don't think that w= e can impose anything
in
> this
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0area. There are use cases where it is good to = have separate
> router-ids
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0per protocol or instances of a protocol. For i= nstance, when a
> router is
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0part of multiple "administrative domains&= quot;, it is worth having
> separate
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router-ids per admin domain.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> However I have a concern about the router= -id or te-node-id
> bound to
> > a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A032 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IP= v6 network ?
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephane
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-b= it number with no
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0requirement for that to be an address that can= be accessed over
> the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0internet (so I have always found the idea of &= #39;loopback0'
> unfortunate).
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but m= erging that
concept
> with
> > a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router id has always seemed to me unfortunate = because they are
two
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0separate concepts.=C2=A0 (In fact, I would reg= ard good practice as
> giving a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router multiple addresses for different functi= ons, so that e.g.
> syslog
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can be separated from SNMP or FTP).
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id= in an IPv6
network.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in = an OSPFv3
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Intra-Area-TE-LSA.=C2=A0 It is the Router IPv6= Address TLV that
carries
> the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0128-bit address.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When ospf-yang says
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 container te-rid = {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if-feature= te-rid;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descriptio= n=C2=A0 "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used for
> Traffic
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Engineering (TE)";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv4-= router-id { type inet:ipv4-address;
> description
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv6-= router-id {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 typ= e inet:ipv6-address;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 des= cription "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6
Router
> ID.";
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0then that is when I wonder what is going on.= =C2=A0 That looks to me
> like
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuring
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Router IPv6 Address TLV
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not the router id.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 te-node-id:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A type representing the i= dentifier for a node in a
topology.
> The
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identifier is represented= as 32-bit unsigned integer in
the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0dotted-quad notation.=C2= =A0 This attribute is mapped to Router
ID
> in
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RF= C5305], and [RFC6119].
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG typ= e but agree that
it
> is
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A032-bit and not 128.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Brgds,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14<= br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephan= e OBS/OINIS;
> lsr@ietf.org; > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Acee
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (Top-posting because the indentation usua= lly fails)
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look = at where
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> typedef te-node-id
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is used and the answer is lots of places,= because it is part
of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0grouping explicit-route-hop {=
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "The explicit route subobject grouping";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0choice type {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2= =A0 =C2=A0"The explicit route subobject type";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case num-unnum-= hop {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0containe= r num-unnum-hop {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0l= eaf node-id {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0type te-types:te-node-id;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0description=C2=A0 =C2=A0"The identifier of a node in the TE
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> topology.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and YANG uses of that grouping are many, = in several WGs;
> however,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> because it is a grouping, then the impact= of changing the type
> should
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On the multiple router definitions, my re= search of the IETF
memo
> only
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> came up with the two cited RFC which, to = me, say that you
should
> use
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> existing router-id if there is one.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I did look at the documentation of A Majo= r Router Manufacturer
> and
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0while
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> they did not give any advice, the default= for a te router-id
was
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> loopback0
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> while the default for a more general rout= er-id, one without
te,
> was
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> loopback0
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which gives me the message, you can make = them different but
> SHOULD
> > NOT
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (in IETF terminology).
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> So while I agree that the two lsr modules= should allow
> per-protocol
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> configuration, I think that it should car= ry a health warning
in
> the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0body
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of the I-D that this is not a good idea (= I struggle to think
of
> when
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> would be a good idea, to use three separa= te identifiers for,
> say, BGP
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and the two lsr protocols).
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Tom Petch
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ----- Original Message -----
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <= acee@cisco.com><= br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>;<= br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<stephane.litkowski@orange.com>;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <lsr@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org>;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.o= rg>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM<= br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Hi Tom,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Let me try to explain.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petc= h" <ietfc@= btconnect.com>
wrote:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The router id in = this I-D confuse me.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8294 defines > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ty= pedef router-id { type yang:dotted-quad;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Some implementations configure a glo= bal router-id while
others
> only
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> allow it at the control-plane-protocol le= vel. This is why we
> have it
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> both places.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ospf-yang defines=
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv4-router= -id { type inet:ipv4-address;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > For better or worse, OSPF has a sepa= rate TE address that is
> > routable
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and referred to as the TE router-id. You&= #39;ll note that this is
> part of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the te-rid container in both the OSPF and= IS-IS YANG models.
We
> could
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> add "-te-" to the leaves to avo= id confusion.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-teas-y= ang-te-types defines
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0typedef te= -node-id {=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type yang:dotted-quad;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0This attribute is mapped to Router ID ....
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > This is just wrong. It is a routable= address in the IGP TE
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I've copied the draft authors.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Thanks,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Acee Lindem
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Three different Y= ANG types for a router id.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Behind this, ospf= -yang gives as references for a router
te
> id
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC3630(V2) and R= FC5329(V3).=C2=A0 Reading these, my take is
> that a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> router id
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is needed for te = but that the existing id should be used
> where
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> possible
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i.e. creating an = additional identifier for the same
> instance of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the same
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity is A Bad T= hing (which sounds like a good general
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> principle).
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With two objects = in the lsr protocols, that would appear
> to
> > make
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> at
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0least three ident= ifiers for the same instance of the
same
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I copy Stephane o= n this since the same issues apply to
the
> > other
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> lsr
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0protocol, mutatis= mutandi.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >
> >
>
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RFC 8476 Title: Signaling Maximum SID Depth (MSD) Using OSPF Author: J. Tantsura, U. Chunduri, S. Aldrin, P. Psenak Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: December 2018 Mailbox: jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, uma.chunduri@huawei.com, aldrin.ietf@gmail.com, ppsenak@cisco.com Pages: 11 Characters: 21547 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-25.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8476 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8476 This document defines a way for an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) router to advertise multiple types of supported Maximum SID Depths (MSDs) at node and/or link granularity. Such advertisements allow entities (e.g., centralized controllers) to determine whether a particular Segment Identifier (SID) stack can be supported in a given network. This document only refers to the Signaling MSD as defined in RFC 8491, but it defines an encoding that can support other MSD types. Here, the term "OSPF" means both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. 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Thanks, TJM > On Dec 12, 2018, at 13:20, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: >=20 > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >=20 >=20 > RFC 8476 >=20 > Title: Signaling Maximum SID Depth (MSD) Using OSPF=20 > Author: J. Tantsura,=20 > U. Chunduri, > S. Aldrin, > P. Psenak > Status: Standards Track > Stream: IETF > Date: December 2018 > Mailbox: jefftant.ietf@gmail.com,=20 > uma.chunduri@huawei.com,=20 > aldrin.ietf@gmail.com, > ppsenak@cisco.com > Pages: 11 > Characters: 21547 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None >=20 > I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-25.txt >=20 > URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8476 >=20 > DOI: 10.17487/RFC8476 >=20 > This document defines a way for an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) > router to advertise multiple types of supported Maximum SID Depths > (MSDs) at node and/or link granularity. Such advertisements allow > entities (e.g., centralized controllers) to determine whether a > particular Segment Identifier (SID) stack can be supported in a given > network. This document only refers to the Signaling MSD as defined > in RFC 8491, but it defines an encoding that can support other MSD > types. Here, the term "OSPF" means both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. >=20 > This document is a product of the Link State Routing Working Group of = the IETF. >=20 > This is now a Proposed Standard. >=20 > STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track > protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and = suggestions > for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official > Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for = the=20 > standardization state and status of this protocol. 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On Dec 12, 2018, at 13:20, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote:

A = new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.


=        RFC 8476

       Title: =      Signaling Maximum SID Depth (MSD) Using = OSPF
       Author: =     J. Tantsura,
=             &n= bsp;      U. Chunduri,
=             &n= bsp;      S. Aldrin,
=             &n= bsp;      P. Psenak
=        Status: =     Standards Track
=        Stream: =     IETF
=        Date: =       December 2018
=        Mailbox:    jefftant.ietf@gmail.com,
=             &n= bsp;      uma.chunduri@huawei.com,
=             &n= bsp;      aldrin.ietf@gmail.com,
=             &n= bsp;      ppsenak@cisco.com
       Pages: =      11
=        Characters: 21547
=        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: =   None

=        I-D Tag: =    draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-25.txt

=        URL: =        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8476

       DOI: =        10.17487/RFC8476

This document defines a way for an Open = Shortest Path First (OSPF)
router to advertise multiple = types of supported Maximum SID Depths
(MSDs) at node = and/or link granularity.  Such advertisements allow
entities (e.g., centralized controllers) to determine whether = a
particular Segment Identifier (SID) stack can be = supported in a given
network.  This document only = refers to the Signaling MSD as defined
in RFC 8491, but it = defines an encoding that can support other MSD
types. =  Here, the term "OSPF" means both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.

This document is a product of the Link State = Routing Working Group of the IETF.

This is = now a Proposed Standard.

STANDARDS TRACK: = This document specifies an Internet Standards Track
protocol= for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions
for improvements.  Please refer to the current edition = of the Official
Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the
standardization state and status of this protocol. =  Distribution of this
memo is unlimited.

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draft-ietf-ospf-yang X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 04:01:04 -0000 --000000000000bbd758057cdf5c89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, Thanks for the kind suggestion. We will include these fixes in the next revision of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types. Best regards, - Xufeng Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:35 AM tom petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Xufeng Liu" > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:25 AM tom petch wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Xufeng Liu" > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 2:47 PM > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Thanks for checking on this. Agree that we need to fix the description > > text. What about the following? > > > > te-node-id: > > A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. > > The > > identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the > dotted-quad > > notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address > described > > in > > Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of > > [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 > of > > [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of > [RFC6119]. > > The > > reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as > > Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]. > > > > Or, would you give a suggestion? > > > > > > > > Looks good. > > > > One query I cannot answer; should > > RFC5786 Advertising a Router's Local Addresses in OSPF > > TE Extensions. R. Aggarwal, K. Kompella. March 2010 > > be there as well? On the face of it, it looks relevant and would > appear > > to meet a need but I note its absence from ospf-yang; I do not know > how > > widely it is implemented or used. This RFC is updated by RFC6827. > > RFC6827 uses RFC5786, making it more generic and more complete, I think. > As you said, RFC6827 has updated RFC5786, which is cited heavily in > RFC6827. So, logically RFC5786 is already covered. Since RFC5786 does > not > provide a TE Router ID mapping by itself, I could not figure out a > concise > wording to cite it separately, so I felt that RFC6827 would be more > relevant. Any suggestion would be appreciated. > > > > On reflection, leave it as it is; the text in RFC6827 is, overall, > clearer than RFC5786. > > On an unrelated topic, te-types has references in the YANG module to > RFC7823 - good - but this RFC does not appear in the References for the > ID - not so good. Having added it, you will need a reference to it in > the text of the I-D lest you get an unused reference. Common practice > is to have a section preceding the module along the lines of > "This module imports [ ..] and references [....]. 3.1 has the imports > but not the references. > > And it is expected to have references for imports, e.g. > import ietf-inet-types { > prefix "inet"; > reference "RFC 6991 - Common YANG Data Types"; > > Tom Petch > > Thanks, > - Xufeng > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > Thanks, > > - Xufeng > > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:14 PM tom petch wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Xufeng Liu" > > > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > > > > > > > Hi Acee, Tom, and All, > > > > > > Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief > > discussion > > > on > > > this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is: > > > > > > - In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types > > has > > > a > > > wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OSPF > > TE, > > > and > > > may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely > > > identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable > address. > > > - When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 > address > > > (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is not > > > required. > > > - We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of > "te-router-id" > > > to > > > convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may or > > be > > > a > > > router. > > > - We will clarify the description to say that "This attribute is MAY > > be > > > mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and > > > [RFC6119]." > > > > > > > > > > > > Xufeng > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification - I understand better now. > > > > > > However, I think that your proposed text is not quite right. > RFC5329 > > > does not defined a TE Router ID - in fact, I think that that concept > > is > > > alien to OSPF. OSPF has a 32 bit number that is the Router ID with > no > > > requirement for that to be a routable address; which is why (IMHO) > > > RFC5329 defines a > > > Router IPv6 Address TLV > > > which carries a routable address (which can meet the needs of TE). > > > > > > Likewise, RFC3630, for OSPFv2, does not have the concept of a TE > > Router > > > ID; rather, it has a > > > Router Address TLV > > > which specifies a stable IP address (which can meet the needs of > TE). > > > > > > And then there is RFC5786 which defines, for OSPF, the > > > Node Attribute TLV > > > with sub-TLV for > > > Node IPv4 Local Address > > > Node IPv6 Local Address > > > allowing for multiple TE addresses for different traffic types. > > > > > > I grant you that RFC6119 defines a > > > TE Router ID > > > but the concept is alien to OSPF (IMHO). > > > > > > So, if you want to use the term > > > TE Router ID > > > then I think that you will need to explain how that maps onto the > > > terminology of the existing OSPF RFC. > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > Thanks, > > > - Xufeng > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I think the only action here is for the authors of > > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id definition. > As > > > for > > > > the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't change the > > > decades > > > > old definitions to achieve uniformity. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Acee > > > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" wr= ote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 PM > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > > > I think that having a different router-id configured per > > > protocol is > > > > a > > > > matter of deployment. I don't think that we can impose > anything > > in > > > this > > > > area. There are use cases where it is good to have separate > > > router-ids > > > > per protocol or instances of a protocol. For instance, when a > > > router is > > > > part of multiple "administrative domains", it is worth having > > > separate > > > > router-ids per admin domain. > > > > > > > > > > However I have a concern about the router-id or te-node-id > > > bound to > > > > a > > > > 32 bits number only. How do we do in a pure IPv6 network ? > > > > > > > > Stephane > > > > > > > > I am used to configuring a router-id as a 32-bit number with > no > > > > requirement for that to be an address that can be accessed > over > > > the > > > > internet (so I have always found the idea of 'loopback0' > > > unfortunate). > > > > Yes, the router needs to be addressable, but merging that > > concept > > > with > > > > a > > > > router id has always seemed to me unfortunate because they are > > two > > > > separate concepts. (In fact, I would regard good practice as > > > giving a > > > > router multiple addresses for different functions, so that > e.g. > > > syslog > > > > can be separated from SNMP or FTP). > > > > > > > > Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit router-id in an IPv6 > > network. > > > > Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-id in an OSPFv3 > > > > Intra-Area-TE-LSA. It is the Router IPv6 Address TLV that > > carries > > > the > > > > 128-bit address. > > > > > > > > When ospf-yang says > > > > container te-rid { > > > > if-feature te-rid; > > > > description "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used > for > > > Traffic > > > > Engineering (TE)"; > > > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > > > description > > > > "Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID."; > > > > } > > > > leaf ipv6-router-id { > > > > type inet:ipv6-address; > > > > description "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6 > > Router > > > ID."; > > > > > > > > then that is when I wonder what is going on. That looks to me > > > like > > > > configuring > > > > Router IPv6 Address TLV > > > > not the router id. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has > > > > > > > > te-node-id: > > > > A type representing the identifier for a node in a > > topology. > > > The > > > > identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in > > the > > > > dotted-quad notation. This attribute is mapped to > Router > > ID > > > in > > > > [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and [RFC6119]. > > > > > > > > Well, I disagree with their choice of YANG type but agree that > > it > > > is > > > > 32-bit and not 128. > > > > > > > > Tom Petch. > > > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:14 > > > > > To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; > > > lsr@ietf.org; > > > > draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org; > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > > > > > > > > > Acee > > > > > > > > > > (Top-posting because the indentation usually fails) > > > > > > > > > > On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick look at where > > > > > typedef te-node-id > > > > > is used and the answer is lots of places, because it is part > > of > > > > > grouping explicit-route-hop { > > > > > description "The explicit route subobject grouping"; > > > > > choice type { > > > > > description "The explicit route subobject type"; > > > > > case num-unnum-hop { > > > > > container num-unnum-hop { > > > > > leaf node-id { > > > > > type te-types:te-node-id; > > > > > description "The identifier of a node in the > TE > > > > > topology."; > > > > > and YANG uses of that grouping are many, in several WGs; > > > however, > > > > > because it is a grouping, then the impact of changing the > type > > > should > > > > be > > > > > minimal at least in terms of the I-Ds. > > > > > > > > > > On the multiple router definitions, my research of the IETF > > memo > > > only > > > > > came up with the two cited RFC which, to me, say that you > > should > > > use > > > > an > > > > > existing router-id if there is one. > > > > > > > > > > I did look at the documentation of A Major Router > Manufacturer > > > and > > > > while > > > > > they did not give any advice, the default for a te router-id > > was > > > > > loopback0 > > > > > while the default for a more general router-id, one without > > te, > > > was > > > > > loopback0 > > > > > which gives me the message, you can make them different but > > > SHOULD > > > > NOT > > > > > (in IETF terminology). > > > > > > > > > > So while I agree that the two lsr modules should allow > > > per-protocol > > > > > configuration, I think that it should carry a health warning > > in > > > the > > > > body > > > > > of the I-D that this is not a good idea (I struggle to think > > of > > > when > > > > it > > > > > would be a good idea, to use three separate identifiers for, > > > say, BGP > > > > > and the two lsr protocols). > > > > > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" > > > > > To: "tom petch" ; > > > > ; > > > > > ; ; > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me try to explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom petch" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The router id in this I-D confuse me. > > > > > > > > > > > > RFC8294 defines > > > > > > typedef router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > > > > > > > > > Some implementations configure a global router-id while > > others > > > only > > > > > allow it at the control-plane-protocol level. This is why we > > > have it > > > > in > > > > > both places. > > > > > > > > > > > > ospf-yang defines > > > > > > leaf ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address; > > > > > > > > > > > > For better or worse, OSPF has a separate TE address that > is > > > > routable > > > > > and referred to as the TE router-id. You'll note that this > is > > > part of > > > > > the te-rid container in both the OSPF and IS-IS YANG models. > > We > > > could > > > > > add "-te-" to the leaves to avoid confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types defines > > > > > > typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; > > > > > > ... This attribute is mapped to Router ID .... > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just wrong. It is a routable address in the IGP TE > > > > extensions. > > > > > I've copied the draft authors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Acee Lindem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three different YANG types for a router id. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Behind this, ospf-yang gives as references for a > router > > te > > > id > > > > > > RFC3630(V2) and RFC5329(V3). 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Hi Tom,

Tha= nks for the kind suggestion. We will include these fixes in the next revisi= on of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types.
Best regards,
- Xu= feng
=
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:35 AM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:<= br>
----- Original M= essage -----
From: "Xufeng Liu" <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang


On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:25 AM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Xufeng Liu" <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 2:47 PM
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Thanks for checking on this. Agree that we need to fix the description=
> text. What about the following?
>
> te-node-id:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A type representing the identifier for a nod= e in a TE topology.
> The
> identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the
dotted-quad
> notation.=C2=A0 This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address
described
> in
> Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of=
> [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3<= br> of
> [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of
[RFC6119].
> The
> reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as<= br> > Section 6.2 of [RFC6827].
>
> Or, would you give a suggestion?
>
> <tp>
>
> Looks good.
>
> One query I cannot answer; should
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC5786 Advertising a Router's Local Addresses in OSPF=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 TE Extensions. R. Aggarwal, K. Kompella. March 201= 0
> be there as well?=C2=A0 On the face of it, it looks relevant and would=
appear
> to meet a need but I note its absence from ospf-yang; I do not know how
> widely it is implemented or used.=C2=A0 This RFC is updated by RFC6827= .

RFC6827 uses RFC5786, making it more generic and more complete, I think. As you said, RFC6827 has updated RFC5786, which is cited heavily in
RFC6827. So, logically RFC5786 is already covered. Since RFC5786 does
not
provide a TE Router ID mapping by itself, I could not figure out a
concise
wording to cite it separately, so I felt that RFC6827 would be more
relevant. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

<tp>

On reflection, leave it as it is; the text in RFC6827 is, overall,
clearer than RFC5786.

On an unrelated topic, te-types has references in the YANG module to
RFC7823 - good - but this RFC does not appear in the References for the
ID - not so good.=C2=A0 Having added it, you will need a reference to it in=
the text of the I-D lest you get an unused reference.=C2=A0 Common practice=
is to have a section preceding the module along the lines of
"This module imports [ ..] and references [....].=C2=A0 3.1 has the im= ports
but not the references.

And it is expected to have references for imports, e.g.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0import ietf-inet-types {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0prefix "inet";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reference "RFC 6991 - Common YANG Data Type= s";

Tom Petch

Thanks,
- Xufeng

>
> Tom Petch
>
> Thanks,
> - Xufeng
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:14 PM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Xufeng Liu" <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang
> >
> >
> > Hi Acee, Tom, and All,
> >
> > Several authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types had a brief
> discussion
> > on
> > this topic. Our take on the te-node-id and te-router-id is:
> >
> > - In TEAS, the te-node-id specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-ty= pes
> has
> > a
> > wider use scope than IP MPLS TE. The system may or may not run OS= PF
> TE,
> > and
> > may not use IPv4. The 32-bit ID number is used only for uniquely<= br> > > identifying the TE node, and it may or may not be a routable
address.
> > - When RFC3630 is implemented, it is ok to map a routable IPv4 address
> > (such as the address of loopbak0) to the te-node-id, but it is no= t
> > required.
> > - We intentionally use the term "te-node-id" instead of=
"te-router-id"
> > to
> > convey the concept that this ID is on a TE node, which may or may= or
> be
> > a
> > router.
> > - We will clarify the description to say that "This attribut= e is MAY
> be
> > mapped to TE Router ID in [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5305], and > > [RFC6119]."
> >
> > <tp>
> >
> > Xufeng
> >
> > Thanks for the clarification - I understand better now.
> >
> > However, I think that your proposed text is not quite right.
RFC5329
> > does not defined a TE Router ID - in fact, I think that that conc= ept
> is
> > alien to OSPF.=C2=A0 OSPF has a 32 bit number that is the Router = ID with
no
> > requirement for that to be a routable address; which is why (IMHO= )
> > RFC5329 defines a
> > Router IPv6 Address TLV
> > which carries a routable address (which can meet the needs of TE)= .
> >
> > Likewise, RFC3630, for OSPFv2, does not have the concept of a TE<= br> > Router
> > ID; rather, it has a
> > Router Address TLV
> > which specifies a stable IP address (which can meet the needs of<= br> TE).
> >
> > And then there is RFC5786 which defines, for OSPF,=C2=A0 the
> > Node Attribute TLV
> > with sub-TLV for
> > Node IPv4 Local Address
> > Node IPv6 Local Address
> > allowing for multiple TE addresses for different traffic types. > >
> > I grant you that RFC6119 defines a
> >=C2=A0 TE Router ID
> > but the concept is alien to OSPF (IMHO).
> >
> > So, if you want to use the term
> >=C2=A0 TE Router ID
> > then I think that you will need to explain how that maps onto the=
> > terminology of the existing OSPF RFC.
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Xufeng
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > > I think the only action here is for the authors of
> > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types to fix their te-node-id defini= tion.
As
> > for
> > > the OSPF Router ID and OSPF/ISIS TE Router IDs we can't = change the
> > decades
> > > old definitions to achieve uniformity.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Acee
> > >
> > > =EF=BB=BFOn 12/5/18, 11:12 AM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Message -----
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:57 = PM
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hi Tom,
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I think that having a different rout= er-id configured per
> > protocol is
> > > a
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0matter of deployment. I don't think t= hat we can impose
anything
> in
> > this
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0area. There are use cases where it is goo= d to have separate
> > router-ids
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0per protocol or instances of a protocol. = For instance, when a
> > router is
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0part of multiple "administrative dom= ains", it is worth having
> > separate
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router-ids per admin domain.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> However I have a concern about the r= outer-id or te-node-id
> > bound to
> > > a
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A032 bits number only. How do we do in a pu= re IPv6 network ?
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephane
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am used to configuring a router-id as a= 32-bit number with
no
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0requirement for that to be an address tha= t can be accessed
over
> > the
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0internet (so I have always found the idea= of 'loopback0'
> > unfortunate).
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, the router needs to be addressable, = but merging that
> concept
> > with
> > > a
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router id has always seemed to me unfortu= nate because they are
> two
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0separate concepts.=C2=A0 (In fact, I woul= d regard good practice as
> > giving a
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router multiple addresses for different f= unctions, so that
e.g.
> > syslog
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can be separated from SNMP or FTP).
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thus I have no problem with a 32-bit rout= er-id in an IPv6
> network.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Indeed, RFC5329 defines a 32-bit router-i= d in an OSPFv3
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Intra-Area-TE-LSA.=C2=A0 It is the Router= IPv6 Address TLV that
> carries
> > the
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0128-bit address.
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When ospf-yang says
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 container te= -rid {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if-fe= ature te-rid;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descr= iption=C2=A0 "Stable OSPF Router IP Address used
for
> > Traffic
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Engineering (TE)";
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf = ipv4-router-id { type inet:ipv4-address;
> > description
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 "Explicitly configure the TE IPv4 Router ID.";
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf = ipv6-router-id {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 type inet:ipv6-address;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 description "Explicitly configure the TE IPv6
> Router
> > ID.";
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0then that is when I wonder what is going = on.=C2=A0 That looks to me
> > like
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuring
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Router IPv6 Address TLV
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not the router id.
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Meanwhile, te-yang-te-types has
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 te-node-id:
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A type representing = the identifier for a node in a
> topology.
> > The
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identifier is repres= ented as 32-bit unsigned integer in
> the
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0dotted-quad notation= .=C2=A0 This attribute is mapped to
Router
> ID
> > in
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC3630], [RFC5329]= , [RFC5305], and [RFC6119].
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Well, I disagree with their choice of YAN= G type but agree that
> it
> > is
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A032-bit and not 128.
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch.
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Brgds,
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 1= 2:14
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Acee Lindem (acee); LITKOWSKI St= ephane OBS/OINIS;
> > lsr@ietf.org;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org;
> > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Acee
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (Top-posting because the indentation= usually fails)
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On the TEAS te-types, I had a quick = look at where
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> typedef te-node-id
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is used and the answer is lots of pl= aces, because it is part
> of
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0grouping explicit-route-= hop {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0= =C2=A0 "The explicit route subobject grouping";
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0choice type {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0descriptio= n=C2=A0 =C2=A0"The explicit route subobject type";
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case num-u= nnum-hop {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0con= tainer num-unnum-hop {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0leaf node-id {
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0type te-types:te-node-id;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0description=C2=A0 =C2=A0"The identifier of a node in the<= br> TE
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> topology.";
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and YANG uses of that grouping are m= any, in several WGs;
> > however,
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> because it is a grouping, then the i= mpact of changing the
type
> > should
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> minimal at least in terms of the I-D= s.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On the multiple router definitions, = my research of the IETF
> memo
> > only
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> came up with the two cited RFC which= , to me, say that you
> should
> > use
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> existing router-id if there is one.<= br> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I did look at the documentation of A= Major Router
Manufacturer
> > and
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0while
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> they did not give any advice, the de= fault for a te router-id
> was
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> loopback0
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> while the default for a more general= router-id, one without
> te,
> > was
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> loopback0
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which gives me the message, you can = make them different but
> > SHOULD
> > > NOT
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (in IETF terminology).
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> So while I agree that the two lsr mo= dules should allow
> > per-protocol
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> configuration, I think that it shoul= d carry a health warning
> in
> > the
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0body
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of the I-D that this is not a good i= dea (I struggle to think
> of
> > when
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> would be a good idea, to use three s= eparate identifiers for,
> > say, BGP
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and the two lsr protocols).
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Tom Petch
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ----- Original Message -----
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: "Acee Lindem (acee)"= <acee@cisco.com= >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com&= gt;;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<stephane.litkowski@orange.com>;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <lsr@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org>;<= br> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@i= etf.org>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:4= 6 PM
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Hi Tom,
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Let me try to explain.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 12/4/18, 12:44 PM, "tom= petch" <i= etfc@btconnect.com>
> wrote:
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The router i= d in this I-D confuse me.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8294 defi= nes
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 typedef router-id { type yang:dotted-quad;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Some implementations configure = a global router-id while
> others
> > only
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> allow it at the control-plane-protoc= ol level. This is why we
> > have it
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> both places.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ospf-yang de= fines
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf ipv4-r= outer-id { type inet:ipv4-address;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > For better or worse, OSPF has a= separate TE address that
is
> > > routable
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and referred to as the TE router-id.= You'll note that this
is
> > part of
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the te-rid container in both the OSP= F and IS-IS YANG models.
> We
> > could
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> add "-te-" to the leaves t= o avoid confusion.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-t= eas-yang-te-types defines
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0typed= ef te-node-id {=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type yang:dotted-quad;
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This attribute is mapped to Router ID ....
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > This is just wrong. It is a rou= table address in the IGP TE
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I've copied the draft authors. > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Thanks,
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Acee Lindem
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Three differ= ent YANG types for a router id.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Behind this,= ospf-yang gives as references for a
router
> te
> > id
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC3630(V2) = and RFC5329(V3).=C2=A0 Reading these, my take
is
> > that a
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> router id
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is needed fo= r te but that the existing id should be
used
> > where
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> possible
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i.e. creatin= g an additional identifier for the same
> > instance of
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the same
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity is A = Bad Thing (which sounds like a good
general
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> principle).
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With two obj= ects in the lsr protocols, that would
appear
> > to
> > > make
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> at
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0least three = identifiers for the same instance of the
> same
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0entity.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why?
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I copy Steph= ane on this since the same issues apply to
> the
> > > other
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> lsr
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0protocol, mu= tatis mutandi.
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
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--000000000000bbd758057cdf5c89-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 11:03:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9445D130E12; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:03:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154472778054.32162.17494855562622225060@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:03:00 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:03:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Stefano Previdi Les Ginsberg Clarence Filsfils Ahmed Bashandy Hannes Gredler Bruno Decraene Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2018-12-13 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:03 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22.= txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing > Authors : Stefano Previdi > Les Ginsberg > Clarence Filsfils > Ahmed Bashandy > Hannes Gredler > Bruno Decraene > Filename : draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2018-12-13 >=20 > Abstract: > Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end > paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of > topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are > advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). >=20 > This draft describes the necessary IS-IS extensions that need to be > introduced for Segment Routing operating on an MPLS data-plane. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensio= ns/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > extensions-22 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > extensions-22 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:23:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BE5130F33; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154475060145.32174.14515992605178548580@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:23:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Restart Signaling for IS-IS Authors : Les Ginsberg Paul Wells Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2018-12-13 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism for a restarting router to signal to its neighbors that it is restarting, allowing them to reestablish their adjacencies without cycling through the down state, while still correctly initiating database synchronization. This document additionally describes a mechansim for a router to signal its neighbors that it is preparing to initiate a restart while maintaining forwarding plane state. This allows the neighbors to maintain their adjacencies until the router has restarted, but also allows the neighbors to bring the adjacencies down in the event of other topology changes. This document additionally describes a mechanism for a restarting router to determine when it has achieved Link State Protocol Data Unit (LSP) database synchronization with its neighbors and a mechanism to optimize LSP database synchronization, while minimizing transient routing disruption when a router starts. This document obsoletes RFC 5306. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:23 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Restart Signaling for IS-IS > Authors : Les Ginsberg > Paul Wells > Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2018-12-13 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes a mechanism for a restarting router to signal > to its neighbors that it is restarting, allowing them to reestablish > their adjacencies without cycling through the down state, while still > correctly initiating database synchronization. >=20 > This document additionally describes a mechansim for a router to > signal its neighbors that it is preparing to initiate a restart while > maintaining forwarding plane state. This allows the neighbors to > maintain their adjacencies until the router has restarted, but also > allows the neighbors to bring the adjacencies down in the event of > other topology changes. >=20 > This document additionally describes a mechanism for a restarting > router to determine when it has achieved Link State Protocol Data > Unit (LSP) database synchronization with its neighbors and a > mechanism to optimize LSP database synchronization, while minimizing > transient routing disruption when a router starts. >=20 > This document obsoletes RFC 5306. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Fri Dec 14 02:43:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A490C127AC2; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:43:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154478419463.30511.10185089743295367240@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:43:14 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:43:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Peter Psenak Stefano Previdi Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2018-12-14 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment Routing with MPLS data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-21 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-21 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-21 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Dec 14 04:05:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC75A1310CC; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 04:05:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154478912189.30523.16139782910816971556.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 04:05:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:05:22 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Based on the TSV-ART review (Thanks Yoshi!) and the information provided in the shepherd write-up, I understand that this document intends to "fix" a specific errata. However, there are IPPM RFCs for each of these metrics that provide further insights on how the calculate them correctly, e.g. rfc3393 IP Packet Delay Variation. I will not block publication on this doc but I would still welcome and recommend if the respective references could be added to provide at least some guidance instead of just declaring calculation out of scope. 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On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 09:53:20AM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > please see inline: > > On 05/12/18 04:44 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: Discuss > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > What is the extensibility model for the "AF" (address family) field in the > > OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV? That is, what do we need to say about > > current implementations' behavior to allow future changes? (I also a > > little bit wonder if we really need a full eight bits, but that's basically > > aesthetic.) > > I don't think OSPFv3 will ever support other then IPv6 or IPv4 AF. Also > the text says: > > "Prefix encoding for other address families is beyond the scope > of this specification." Perhaps it would be better encoded in a 1-bit field (rather than an 8-bit one), then? That would at least make the (lack of) semantics of the other 7 bits more clear, as the usual "MUST set to zero on transmit and ignore on receipt". > > > > Some of the text in Section 8.1 (see the COMMENT section) reads like it > > might have an "Updates" relationship with other documents, but I don't know > > enough to be sure. Hopefully we can have a conversation to clarify the > > situation. > > please see my comments below. Okay. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 1 > > > > Is there a start of the separate document that covers SR with the IPv6 data > > plane that we could reference from here? > > this document describes OSPFv3 extension for SR with the MPLS data > plane, not IPv6 data plane. And rfc8402 is referenced. I understand the difference between OSPFv3 SR with MPLS vs. IPv6 data plane (well, at least that there is a difference). My point is that you say it "will be specified in a separate document". If there's an existing I-D that is the start of this work, listing it as an informative reference seems helpful to me. (If there's not, perhaps "at a later date" would work instead of "in a separate document".) But of course this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to ignore -- I really don't mind. > > > > Section 5 > > > > In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of > > prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in > > [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], is an example of where > > a single advertisement is needed to advertise SIDs for multiple > > prefixes from a contiguous address range. > > > > I note that the referenced document does not use the word "range" to > > describe the prefix being assigned multiple SIDs; it might be helpful to > > say a few more words about how the range of prefixes gets mapped to what is > > discussed in the linked document. > > "prefix being assigned multiple SIDs" - that is not what we are doing > here. Hmm, I must have misspoke; sorry. My point remains, though, that if I go to I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop and search for "range", I will not find anything to help me know which part of that document you are talking about. I would encourage some additional text to clarify how the terminology used in this document relates to the terminology and work used in the referenced document. > > > > I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given > > this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 and a > > range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is encoded > > as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, > > 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? > > yes. > > > Or am I constrained to be a subset of > > 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes > > would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I would suggest > > stating this explictly, here. > > > > I would thing that the example in section 16 is clear enough. I generally prefer to describe the normative behavior in actual text description instead of relying on examples to clarify the expected behavior. That said, this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to retain the current text. If you did want to add something, I would propose the strawman: OLD: The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. The number of prefixes in the range is equal to the Range size. NEW: The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field and continues with the subsequent prefixes of the same length, forming a contiguous block of addresses. Since the Range Size is not restricted to a power of two, this new block of addresses may not be describable using a single address prefix/length. The number of prefixes in the range is equal to the Range size. > > > Section 6 > > > > Should there be any discussion of the historical or future reasons why V > > and L are separate flag bits, given that the only legal combinations are > > currently 00 and 11, i.e., fully redundant? > > I would rather not get into that discussion here. That's fine, though even just noting the redundancy and that it exists for [historical/...] reasons might help some readers understand more easily. > > > > It may not be necessary to expand ASBR on first usage here, since it's in > > the terminology section (and marked as "well-known" at > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt). > > ASBR is defined in terminology section. Precisely; you can just use the abbreviation if you want and make the text here shorter. > > > > If the NP-Flag is not set, then any upstream neighbor of the Prefix- > > SID originator MUST pop the Prefix-SID. This is equivalent to the > > penultimate hop popping mechanism used in the MPLS dataplane. If the > > NP-flag is not set, then the received E-flag is ignored. > > > > Is it going to be clear that "pop" only applies when this Prefix-SID is the > > outermost label? (Or am I super-confused about how this is supposed to > > work?) > > you can only POP the outmost label. Okay, thanks for confirming. > > > > A similar consideration may apply to the discussion of the NP flag as well. > > Also some redundantly expanded ABR and ASBR here as well. > > > > This is useful, e.g., when the originator of the Prefix- > > SID is the final destination for the related prefix and the > > originator wishes to receive the packet with the original EXP > > bits. > > > > Are we still supposed to call these the EXP bits after RFC 5462? (I had to > > look up what they were; not sure if this means that we should put a > > reference in for them or not, given that I'm not a practitioner here.) > > I can rename to "Traffic Class" if you insist. I do not insist; I'm just trying to understand the common usage/conventions. > > > > When the M-Flag is set, the NP-flag and the E-flag MUST be ignored on > > reception. > > > > Do I understand this correctly that this is because the mapping server may > > not know the needs of the individual routers, and if the routers had > > specific needs they should advertise the SIDs directly (which would take > > precedence over the mapping server's advertisement)? If so, given the > > following discussion, I wouldn't suggest adding any extra text about it, > > but I do want to make sure I'm understanding it properly. > > your understanding is correct. There is also some more details in the > next section. > > > > > When a Prefix-SID is advertised in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range > > TLV, then the value advertised in the Prefix SID Sub-TLV is > > interpreted as a starting SID/Label value. > > > > Am I remembering correctly that Prefix-SID can appear multiple times within > > OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range? Then each Prefix-SID would be indicating a > > distinct range but adhering to the same parameters of the range that are > > indicated in the Extended Prefix Range TLV? This seems a little weird on > > the face of it (as opposed to a single Prefix-SID sub-TLV per Extended > > Prefix Range), but maybe there's a use case that I'm missing on first > > glance. > > the use case is when you need to advertise Prefix-SID for different > Algorithms. > > > > > Section 7.1 > > > > (Probably off-topic: what's the use case for assigning the same Adj-SID to > > different adjacencies?) > > load balancing of traffic over multiple links. Thanks for helping me understand better (here and above). > > > > Section 7.2 > > > > Perhaps add DR to the terminology section (or expand on first usage)? > > ok, will do. > > > > > Section 8.1 > > > > When a Prefix-SID is advertised by the Mapping Server, which is > > indicated by the M-flag in the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV (Section 6), the > > route type as implied by the LSA type is ignored and the Prefix-SID > > is bound to the corresponding prefix independent of the route type. > > > > Is this considered to be Update-ing the behavior of another RFC? > > no. All we say is that the LSA type in which the SID from SRMS is > advertised does not need to match the route-type of the prefix for which > the SID is adverised. Okay, thanks. > > > > Advertisement of the Prefix-SID by the Mapping Server using an Inter- > > Area Prefix TLV, External-Prefix TLV, or Intra-Area-Prefix TLV > > [RFC8362] does not itself contribute to the prefix reachability. The > > NU-bit MUST be set in the PrefixOptions field of the LSA which is > > used by the Mapping Server to advertise SID or SID Range, which > > prevents the advertisement from contributing to prefix reachability. > > > > This MUST reads like it is restating an existing normative requirement from > > elsewhere (in which case we should probably just state it as fact and > > provide a reference). Or is it a new requirement (in which case Updates: > > might be in order)? > > not sure I understand. NU-bit is defined in rfc5340. We are just reusing > it here. I can add a reference to it. Thanks for the pointer. I was wondering whether RFC5340 itself would require the NU bit to be set in this situation -- from a quick skim, it seems that it does not, so there's nothing to do here (other than add that reference, if you want.) > > > > Area-scoped OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLVs are propagated between > > areas. Similar to propagation of prefixes between areas, an ABR only > > propagates the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV that it considers to > > be the best from the set it received. The rules used to pick the > > best OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV are described in Section 5. > > > > I don't see any usage of "best" in Section 5; I do see direction to use the > > numerically smallest Instance ID when multiple Extended Prefix Range TLVs > > advertise *the exact same range*. But this in and of itself does not > > safisfy the claim here that there is guidance to pick a single best > > Extended Prefix Range TLV, so I'm left confused as to what's supposed to > > happen. Perhaps this was intended as a transition to Section 8.2 instead > > of referring back to Section 5 (especially considering that Section 8.1 is > > supposed to be intra-area but this topic is inter-area)? > > (This sort of dangling/unclear internal reference would normally be a > > DISCUSS, but it seems very likely this is just a stale section number and > > not a real problem, so I'm keeping it in the COMMENT section for now.) > > right, I will remove the reference to section 5 and correct the text. > > > > > Section 8.4.1 > > > > Do we need a reference for 2-Way and FULL? > > these are standard OSPF adjacency states. Okay. Sorry for my ignorance here (and throughout), and thank you again for your patient explanations of the "basic concepts". > > > > Section 9 > > > > I would normally expect some text about "IANA has made permanent the > > following temporary allocations" or similar, so the reader can quickly tell > > that this is not a case of codepoint squatting. > > well, I guess what is important is that the IANA allocations has been made. Indeed. -Benjamin From nobody Sun Dec 16 22:09:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279B5128CE4; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:09:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GiFD4b9HkRDm; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu [18.7.68.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A331B1286E7; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:08:58 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 12074425-029ff70000003bdd-1f-5c173d77790b Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 69.B6.15325.87D371C5; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.9.2) with ESMTP id wBH68spv020151; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:08:55 -0500 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id wBH68qC4011043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:08:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:08:51 -0600 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Peter Psenak Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , lsr@ietf.org, Acee Lindem Message-ID: <20181217060851.GD94620@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <154398144445.4943.7198735398003216566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5C079200.1030701@cisco.com> <20181217055358.GC94620@kduck.kaduk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181217055358.GC94620@kduck.kaduk.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupileLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IR4hRV1q2wFY8xWH3UwGLy23nMFjcObWCy WDuti9lixp+JzBbrr55ksTjxZAWrxY7d7WwO7B5Tfm9k9dg56y67x5IlP5kCmKO4bFJSczLL Uov07RK4Mp61LGcs+CxY8b33HUsD4w3eLkZODgkBE4krh6+xdjFycQgJrGGSuLS0iRHC2cgo 8fTtYjYI5w6TxK0Fl5hBWlgEVCUWP+xgBbHZBFQkGrovg8VFgOx513tYQBqYBQ4zSjz/epUR JCEsUCsxbeIcsCJeoH03dz+H2jeNUeLu+olsEAlBiZMzn7CA2MwCWhI3/r1k6mLkALKlJZb/ 4wAJcwqYStzZ/QYsLAq07PMCgQmMArOQNM9C0jwLoXkBI/MqRtmU3Crd3MTMnOLUZN3i5MS8 vNQiXQu93MwSvdSU0k2MoCBnd1HdwTjnr9chRgEORiUe3gt7xGKEWBPLiitzDzFKcjApifJ+ NRCPEeJLyk+pzEgszogvKs1JLT7EKMHBrCTC22sJVM6bklhZlVqUD5OS5mBREuf9I/I4Wkgg PbEkNTs1tSC1CCYrw8GhJME7ywZoqGBRanpqRVpmTglCmomDE2Q4D9DwJJAa3uKCxNzizHSI /ClGRSlxXtbzgjFCAiCJjNI8uF5QEpLI3l/zilEc6BVhXgWQdh5gAoPrfgU0mAlocM4WJpDB JYkIKakGxsV3FG/xfF35PHOZf1NMV9fHC/M+Vpi/ZZwbV1Xh++h3p4fE26z8BQlpsw70Xf69 eWdrWUaB5zRVp8In75kf7NpgtGKSyt7H7A5yG0JPnGvb2L20OyyGd6PZvQzeLaemTT3f1h16 1JZpyvPfi742MJrKfXnL/i20ZUaBzpUM0wKlCxZPF1y78EyJpTgj0VCLuag4EQCweP+vHQMA AA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:09:01 -0000 On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 11:53:59PM -0600, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Sorry for the slow reply -- you caught me right as I was leaving for > vacation. > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 09:53:20AM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote: > > > > On 05/12/18 04:44 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > > > > > > I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given > > > this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 and a > > > range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is encoded > > > as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, > > > 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? > > > > yes. > > > > > Or am I constrained to be a subset of > > > 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes > > > would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I would suggest > > > stating this explictly, here. > > > > > > > I would thing that the example in section 16 is clear enough. > > I generally prefer to describe the normative behavior in actual text > description instead of relying on examples to clarify the expected > behavior. That said, this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to > retain the current text. If you did want to add something, I would > propose the strawman: > > OLD: > The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same > prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set > starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. > The number of prefixes in the range is equal to the Range size. > > NEW: > The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same > prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set > starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field and > continues with the subsequent prefixes of the same length, forming a > contiguous block of addresses. Since the Range Size is not restricted to a > power of two, this new block of addresses may not be describable using a > single address prefix/length. The number of prefixes in the range is > equal to the Range size. Ah, now I see the text proposed in response to Suresh's comments; that text works for me, too. -Benjamin From nobody Mon Dec 17 03:33:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F37128D68; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwtT4t195hjm; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20A17128CE4; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:32:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=15027; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1545046375; x=1546255975; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QbG5PqI4JMklYo6fgc5coNA3d1juQ9hfGAsW6wYVL5E=; b=G7ANr6j030qqtODm0DXR6OHAfOrZGCi+5u2UBB+kmFfAboKs5jZXVn7H vOP3eXUd2FGgJ8iy/qRDjMrX/1O8uI7AoYdmyJ4+N6+dSoGmrfkF1+ewy 4rCULnODHpOGCdTCBS7NqJGFDuFE3IqUVymGlT0KrBWiXechvkJguaKUC g=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,365,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8867446" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 17 Dec 2018 11:32:53 +0000 Received: from [10.147.24.16] ([10.147.24.16]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBHBWqup000696; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:32:52 GMT To: Benjamin Kaduk References: <154398144445.4943.7198735398003216566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5C079200.1030701@cisco.com> <20181217055358.GC94620@kduck.kaduk.org> Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: <69190220-4994-f9c9-4adf-5016abf3a39b@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:32:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181217055358.GC94620@kduck.kaduk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.16, [10.147.24.16] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:33:00 -0000 Hi Benjamin, please see inline (##PP): On 17/12/2018 06:53 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Sorry for the slow reply -- you caught me right as I was leaving for > vacation. > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 09:53:20AM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote: >> Hi Benjamin, >> >> please see inline: >> >> On 05/12/18 04:44 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>> Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: Discuss >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> What is the extensibility model for the "AF" (address family) field in the >>> OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV? That is, what do we need to say about >>> current implementations' behavior to allow future changes? (I also a >>> little bit wonder if we really need a full eight bits, but that's basically >>> aesthetic.) >> >> I don't think OSPFv3 will ever support other then IPv6 or IPv4 AF. Also >> the text says: >> >> "Prefix encoding for other address families is beyond the scope >> of this specification." > > Perhaps it would be better encoded in a 1-bit field (rather than an 8-bit > one), then? That would at least make the (lack of) semantics of the other > 7 bits more clear, as the usual "MUST set to zero on transmit and ignore on > receipt". ##PP it's too late now to change the encoding. This draft has several years of history and there are implementation shipping. Changing the encoding would cause the backward compatibility issues. > >>> >>> Some of the text in Section 8.1 (see the COMMENT section) reads like it >>> might have an "Updates" relationship with other documents, but I don't know >>> enough to be sure. Hopefully we can have a conversation to clarify the >>> situation. >> >> please see my comments below. > > Okay. > >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Section 1 >>> >>> Is there a start of the separate document that covers SR with the IPv6 data >>> plane that we could reference from here? >> >> this document describes OSPFv3 extension for SR with the MPLS data >> plane, not IPv6 data plane. And rfc8402 is referenced. > > I understand the difference between OSPFv3 SR with MPLS vs. IPv6 data plane > (well, at least that there is a difference). My point is that you say it > "will be specified in a separate document". If there's an existing I-D > that is the start of this work, listing it as an informative reference > seems helpful to me. (If there's not, perhaps "at a later date" would work > instead of "in a separate document".) > > But of course this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to ignore -- I > really don't mind. > >>> >>> Section 5 >>> >>> In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of >>> prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in >>> [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], is an example of where >>> a single advertisement is needed to advertise SIDs for multiple >>> prefixes from a contiguous address range. >>> >>> I note that the referenced document does not use the word "range" to >>> describe the prefix being assigned multiple SIDs; it might be helpful to >>> say a few more words about how the range of prefixes gets mapped to what is >>> discussed in the linked document. >> >> "prefix being assigned multiple SIDs" - that is not what we are doing >> here. > > Hmm, I must have misspoke; sorry. My point remains, though, that if I go to > I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop and search for "range", I will > not find anything to help me know which part of that document you are > talking about. I would encourage some additional text to clarify how the > terminology used in this document relates to the terminology and work used > in the referenced document. ##PP range is not defined in I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop, it's the SRMS functionality that is defined there. The range was defined for IGPs to optimize the encoding for SRMS advertisement - with thousands of prefixes the encoding would not scale if we advertise the individual SID for every prefix independently. What about the following updated text in the OSPFv3 draft: "In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in , is an example of where SIDs for multiple prefixes can be advertised. To optimize such advertisement in case of multiple prefixes from a contiguous address range, OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV is defined." > >>> >>> I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given >>> this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 and a >>> range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is encoded >>> as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, >>> 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? >> >> yes. >> >>> Or am I constrained to be a subset of >>> 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes >>> would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I would suggest >>> stating this explictly, here. >>> >> >> I would thing that the example in section 16 is clear enough. > > I generally prefer to describe the normative behavior in actual text > description instead of relying on examples to clarify the expected > behavior. That said, this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to > retain the current text. If you did want to add something, I would > propose the strawman: > > OLD: > The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same > prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set > starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. > The number of prefixes in the range is equal to the Range size. > > NEW: > The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same > prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set > starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field and > continues with the subsequent prefixes of the same length, forming a > contiguous block of addresses. Since the Range Size is not restricted to a > power of two, this new block of addresses may not be describable using a > single address prefix/length. The number of prefixes in the range is > equal to the Range size. > > > >> >>> Section 6 >>> >>> Should there be any discussion of the historical or future reasons why V >>> and L are separate flag bits, given that the only legal combinations are >>> currently 00 and 11, i.e., fully redundant? >> >> I would rather not get into that discussion here. > > That's fine, though even just noting the redundancy and that it exists for > [historical/...] reasons might help some readers understand more easily. > >>> >>> It may not be necessary to expand ASBR on first usage here, since it's in >>> the terminology section (and marked as "well-known" at >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt). >> >> ASBR is defined in terminology section. > > Precisely; you can just use the abbreviation if you want and make the text > here shorter. ##PP done. > >>> >>> If the NP-Flag is not set, then any upstream neighbor of the Prefix- >>> SID originator MUST pop the Prefix-SID. This is equivalent to the >>> penultimate hop popping mechanism used in the MPLS dataplane. If the >>> NP-flag is not set, then the received E-flag is ignored. >>> >>> Is it going to be clear that "pop" only applies when this Prefix-SID is the >>> outermost label? (Or am I super-confused about how this is supposed to >>> work?) >> >> you can only POP the outmost label. > > Okay, thanks for confirming. > >>> >>> A similar consideration may apply to the discussion of the NP flag as well. >>> Also some redundantly expanded ABR and ASBR here as well. >>> >>> This is useful, e.g., when the originator of the Prefix- >>> SID is the final destination for the related prefix and the >>> originator wishes to receive the packet with the original EXP >>> bits. >>> >>> Are we still supposed to call these the EXP bits after RFC 5462? (I had to >>> look up what they were; not sure if this means that we should put a >>> reference in for them or not, given that I'm not a practitioner here.) >> >> I can rename to "Traffic Class" if you insist. > > I do not insist; I'm just trying to understand the common > usage/conventions. ##PP it has been updated. thanks, Peter > >>> >>> When the M-Flag is set, the NP-flag and the E-flag MUST be ignored on >>> reception. >>> >>> Do I understand this correctly that this is because the mapping server may >>> not know the needs of the individual routers, and if the routers had >>> specific needs they should advertise the SIDs directly (which would take >>> precedence over the mapping server's advertisement)? If so, given the >>> following discussion, I wouldn't suggest adding any extra text about it, >>> but I do want to make sure I'm understanding it properly. >> >> your understanding is correct. There is also some more details in the >> next section. >> >>> >>> When a Prefix-SID is advertised in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range >>> TLV, then the value advertised in the Prefix SID Sub-TLV is >>> interpreted as a starting SID/Label value. >>> >>> Am I remembering correctly that Prefix-SID can appear multiple times within >>> OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range? Then each Prefix-SID would be indicating a >>> distinct range but adhering to the same parameters of the range that are >>> indicated in the Extended Prefix Range TLV? This seems a little weird on >>> the face of it (as opposed to a single Prefix-SID sub-TLV per Extended >>> Prefix Range), but maybe there's a use case that I'm missing on first >>> glance. >> >> the use case is when you need to advertise Prefix-SID for different >> Algorithms. >> >>> >>> Section 7.1 >>> >>> (Probably off-topic: what's the use case for assigning the same Adj-SID to >>> different adjacencies?) >> >> load balancing of traffic over multiple links. > > Thanks for helping me understand better (here and above). > >>> >>> Section 7.2 >>> >>> Perhaps add DR to the terminology section (or expand on first usage)? >> >> ok, will do. >> >>> >>> Section 8.1 >>> >>> When a Prefix-SID is advertised by the Mapping Server, which is >>> indicated by the M-flag in the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV (Section 6), the >>> route type as implied by the LSA type is ignored and the Prefix-SID >>> is bound to the corresponding prefix independent of the route type. >>> >>> Is this considered to be Update-ing the behavior of another RFC? >> >> no. All we say is that the LSA type in which the SID from SRMS is >> advertised does not need to match the route-type of the prefix for which >> the SID is adverised. > > Okay, thanks. > >>> >>> Advertisement of the Prefix-SID by the Mapping Server using an Inter- >>> Area Prefix TLV, External-Prefix TLV, or Intra-Area-Prefix TLV >>> [RFC8362] does not itself contribute to the prefix reachability. The >>> NU-bit MUST be set in the PrefixOptions field of the LSA which is >>> used by the Mapping Server to advertise SID or SID Range, which >>> prevents the advertisement from contributing to prefix reachability. >>> >>> This MUST reads like it is restating an existing normative requirement from >>> elsewhere (in which case we should probably just state it as fact and >>> provide a reference). Or is it a new requirement (in which case Updates: >>> might be in order)? >> >> not sure I understand. NU-bit is defined in rfc5340. We are just reusing >> it here. I can add a reference to it. > > Thanks for the pointer. I was wondering whether RFC5340 itself would > require the NU bit to be set in this situation -- from a quick skim, it > seems that it does not, so there's nothing to do here (other than add that > reference, if you want.) > >>> >>> Area-scoped OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLVs are propagated between >>> areas. Similar to propagation of prefixes between areas, an ABR only >>> propagates the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV that it considers to >>> be the best from the set it received. The rules used to pick the >>> best OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV are described in Section 5. >>> >>> I don't see any usage of "best" in Section 5; I do see direction to use the >>> numerically smallest Instance ID when multiple Extended Prefix Range TLVs >>> advertise *the exact same range*. But this in and of itself does not >>> safisfy the claim here that there is guidance to pick a single best >>> Extended Prefix Range TLV, so I'm left confused as to what's supposed to >>> happen. Perhaps this was intended as a transition to Section 8.2 instead >>> of referring back to Section 5 (especially considering that Section 8.1 is >>> supposed to be intra-area but this topic is inter-area)? >>> (This sort of dangling/unclear internal reference would normally be a >>> DISCUSS, but it seems very likely this is just a stale section number and >>> not a real problem, so I'm keeping it in the COMMENT section for now.) >> >> right, I will remove the reference to section 5 and correct the text. >> >>> >>> Section 8.4.1 >>> >>> Do we need a reference for 2-Way and FULL? >> >> these are standard OSPF adjacency states. > > Okay. Sorry for my ignorance here (and throughout), and thank you again > for your patient explanations of the "basic concepts". > >>> >>> Section 9 >>> >>> I would normally expect some text about "IANA has made permanent the >>> following temporary allocations" or similar, so the reader can quickly tell >>> that this is not a case of codepoint squatting. >> >> well, I guess what is important is that the IANA allocations has been made. > > Indeed. > > -Benjamin > . > From nobody Mon Dec 17 05:22:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4668D12872C; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 05:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, 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"The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154507906391.4167.15827917186570113904.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:37:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:37:44 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In section 13 it seems a little awkward to reference the "first version" and "second version" of the document since they will be published with different RFC numbers. Might be clearer to say RFC 7810 in the first instance and "this document" in the second instance. 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If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). There are currently no 3 IPR disclosures so everyone should be aware of the= se - https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-she= n-isis-spine-leaf-ext If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing list. The document will n= ot advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each a= uthor and contributor. If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or cont= ributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR th= at has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. 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Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR applies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext.

thanks.
- Naiming

On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:47 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors, <= /o:p>
 
Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext?
 
If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details).
 
There are currently no 3 IPR di= sclosures so everyone should be aware of these - https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-e= xt
    
If you are listed as a document= author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether o= r not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to = the LSR WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from= each author and contributor.
    
If you are on the LSR WG email = list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules.
 
Thanks,
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<7A4F8A6D-5143-4652-8919-E8AD45FB5B82@cisco.com> <40711318-BF7D-4386-B122-FFFA9563A452@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <40711318-BF7D-4386-B122-FFFA9563A452@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.208.151] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B571CAC4811B43828CD05DD7DD7FB55Dciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.23, xch-aln-013.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 01:11:38 -0000 --_000_B571CAC4811B43828CD05DD7DD7FB55Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, someone reminded me that there is an IPR related to using the draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext scheme, https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2736/ thanks. - Naiming On Dec 17, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Naiming Shen (naiming) > wrote: Hi, I am not aware of any IPR applies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext. thanks. - Naiming On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:47 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: Authors, Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). There are currently no 3 IPR disclosures so everyone should be aware of the= se - https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-she= n-isis-spine-leaf-ext If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the LSR WG mailing list. The document will n= ot advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each a= uthor and contributor. If you are on the LSR WG email list but are not listed as an author or cont= ributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR th= at has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Acee --_000_B571CAC4811B43828CD05DD7DD7FB55Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5F12F595C3F6514380E5A404E5D1CA73@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, someone reminded me that there is an IPR related to using the
draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext scheme,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2736/

thanks.
- Naiming

On Dec 17, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Naiming Shen (naiming) <naiming@cisco.com> wrot= e:


Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR applies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext.

thanks.
- Naiming

On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:47 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors, <= /o:p>
 
Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext?
 
If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details).
 
There are currently no 3 IPR di= sclosures so everyone should be aware of these - https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-e= xt
    
If you are listed as a document= author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether o= r not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to = the LSR WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from= each author and contributor.
    
If you are on the LSR WG email = list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules.
 
Thanks,
Acee


--_000_B571CAC4811B43828CD05DD7DD7FB55Dciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 05:35:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130AA1200B3; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 05:34:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexey Melnikov To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154514009906.19306.10051757268831274203.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 05:34:59 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:34:59 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is well written document, thank you. One small thing: 4.5. Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth Sub-TLV Residual Bandwidth: This field carries the residual bandwidth on a link, forwarding adjacency [RFC4206], or bundled link in IEEE floating-point format with units of bytes per second. Please add a Normative reference to the IEEE document. From nobody Tue Dec 18 07:51:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB68130E90; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 07:50:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154514825169.5620.6565528068053730058@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 07:50:51 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:50:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions Authors : Les Ginsberg Stefano Previdi Spencer Giacolone Dave Ward John Drake Qin Wu Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2018-12-18 Abstract: In certain networks, such as, but not limited to, financial information networks (e.g., stock market data providers), network- performance criteria (e.g., latency) are becoming as critical to data-path selection as other metrics. This document describes extensions to IS-IS Traffic Engineering Extensions (RFC 5305) such that network-performance information can be distributed and collected in a scalable fashion. The information distributed using IS-IS TE Metric Extensions can then be used to make path-selection decisions based on network performance. Note that this document only covers the mechanisms with which network-performance information is distributed. The mechanisms for measuring network performance or acting on that information, once distributed, are outside the scope of this document. This document obsoletes RFC 7810. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:51 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extension= s > Authors : Les Ginsberg > Stefano Previdi > Spencer Giacolone > Dave Ward > John Drake > Qin Wu > Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 2018-12-18 >=20 > Abstract: > In certain networks, such as, but not limited to, financial > information networks (e.g., stock market data providers), network- > performance criteria (e.g., latency) are becoming as critical to > data-path selection as other metrics. >=20 > This document describes extensions to IS-IS Traffic Engineering > Extensions (RFC 5305) such that network-performance information can > be distributed and collected in a scalable fashion. 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Svw0ZkPmkWdE; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDED130DF1; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (47-50-69-38.static.klmz.mi.charter.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 636376041C; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 08:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Christian Hopps In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 03:56:36 -0500 Cc: Christian Hopps , lsr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <154385885344.18275.14244520421111601833@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Disclosure Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belonging to Chemtron Research LLC X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 08:56:40 -0000 The IPR disclosure referenced 2 drafts, reverse metric and spine leaf = and a patent. Is there any more specific information on how this patent = might have relevance to these drafts in particular? Thanks, Chris. > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >=20 > Dear lsr WG: >=20 > The filing of this IRP disclosure against = draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric is the result of the IESG Evaluation of = the document, where one of the reviewers decided he needed to make a = third-party IPR disclosure (see details below). A third-party = disclosure is one where the IPR "is not owned or controlled by an IETF = Participant or his or her sponsor or employer=E2=80=9D (rfc8179) =E2=80=94= this means that information such as the licensing terms may not have = been included. >=20 > This document has already been approved by the IESG for Publication. = I=E2=80=99m holding it waiting for an update from the IETF Last Call = comments. >=20 > In the meantime, please let us (the WG) know if you has any concerns = with the publication of this document in light of this new IPR = declaration. Please do so by end-of-day on December 10, 2019. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > =20 >=20 > On December 3, 2018 at 12:41:25 PM, IETF Secretariat = (ietf-ipr@ietf.org) wrote: >=20 >> Dear Naiming Shen, Shane Amante, Mikael Abrahamsson:=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled = "IS-IS=20 >> Routing with Reverse Metric" (draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric) was=20 >> submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF = Page=20 >> of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"=20 >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3350/). The title of the IPR = disclosure is=20 >> "Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to=20 >> draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext = belonging=20 >> to Chemtron Research LLC"=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thank you=20 >>=20 >> IETF Secretariat=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________=20 >> Lsr mailing list=20 >> Lsr@ietf.org=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Wed Dec 19 06:05:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622521200B3; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:05:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154522831236.14674.17606479627840047601@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:05:12 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-20.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:05:12 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for OSPF Protocol Authors : Derek Yeung Yingzhen Qu Jeffrey Zhang Ing-Wher Chen Acee Lindem Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-yang-20.txt Pages : 125 Date : 2018-12-19 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage OSPF. The model is based on YANG 1.1 as defined in RFC 7950 and conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NDMA) as described in RFC 8342. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-yang-20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-yang-20 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-yang-20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 19 12:55:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F2B130EC9; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M_eIM2sACAiY; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-x333.google.com (mail-ot1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12DED130EDA; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-x333.google.com with SMTP id 32so20363949ota.12; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IKh/8niKTo7jy4slfH9JkAew5raeMxt17KKzxAM2mjI=; b=RW0P2SoxzANlIoeCVtMlCL9IXHtjDB9LM/vHch/udRBKUg3HDouKOe3e8nghSqM1ng 3EebYU0NX05Jgy7YnmDpAetKDAx5kHZw5UgfqOdAgQYDgYtaYn1J71D0WZZGvAe6qt2d oPEVZ/xYEFtxmo3MzPrlAqkFtqi9ACCzjtPC7KLT1Z47SebULo2bD7OMyVsDDG47b4iQ O2egWiQXyHOJNHDYv/otkN9z5LkcxJtghJ2bJErA38FV0nmXfqMGm5kud8wtWh5cJ9Rb p0MIYwvY/GiFJgBFX5giAxSYHACjL+991rvSmut9mfEnhLuLBaCx4chsN3uIx71rmkjO XYsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IKh/8niKTo7jy4slfH9JkAew5raeMxt17KKzxAM2mjI=; b=Eb75Cm4cWf7KmnhHH4oQA36Q9EpE/f5bNmApYRfu0TYcb3MTcvUvEEtfoblA8xVElb FTdniRM6hZGczd7SX+90NuxvzNqcVbjaQLhSRA47FBzFbe9smSxXkhj5Kgo3Spb3i/ch UI75cfJFW150Lf6J74hH6HlhoENHpLloaj/+wva9hdACRyNn45nFJQEE2NxQRblzjv1z irirHK4ovLk0yrczApxpBjHzy57oK5+VjWrAXGzl9kOqpI4dyyJECT7IoNjza11o1PuB OI2lmY0g3A3cE19UQRMZuwpTZlr8zqerFEdsgVVBDyIaoGnRe7TWIaykMBB70tiWmR1L veOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWY9t0Sj6hrQ05esYEDF2KL2VqZlpIAhlYwTDfKpchjFNv9UV4d8 5BwVVc5A7ckbxC2nS5hs9QP0FonkFQlHhgE9SiJbhg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XadW/FH7jWZfkygLnsgyT59m2MxaHb5yEznGsge67oybxAf9zrkS368mQuiZop1wvGKcvvDSEhrvmzJm4I3DA= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4f0c:: with SMTP id d12mr16783806otl.302.1545252926470; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:26 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <154385885344.18275.14244520421111601833@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Airmail (528) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:26 -0800 Message-ID: To: Christian Hopps Cc: draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric@ietf.org, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c53d82057d663beb" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IPR Disclosure Eric Kenneth Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric and draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext belonging to Chemtron Research LLC X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:55:29 -0000 --000000000000c53d82057d663beb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On December 19, 2018 at 3:56:37 AM, Christian Hopps (chopps@chopps.org) wrote: The IPR disclosure referenced 2 drafts, reverse metric and spine leaf and a patent. Is there any more specific information on how this patent might have relevance to these drafts in particular? Nope=E2=80=A6just what is in the disclosure. Alvaro. --000000000000c53d82057d663beb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On December 19, 2018 at 3:56:37= AM, Christian Hopps (chopps@chopps.or= g) wrote:

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Alvaro.<= /div> --000000000000c53d82057d663beb-- From nobody Wed Dec 19 14:37:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF0C126F72; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:37:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154525905681.2005.18207871999850667283@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:37:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-spine-leaf-ext-00.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 22:37:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology Authors : Naiming Shen Les Ginsberg Sanjay Thyamagundalu Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-spine-leaf-ext-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-12-19 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism for routers and switches in a Spine-Leaf type topology to have non-reciprocal Intermediate System to Intermediate System (IS-IS) routing relationships between the leafs and spines. The leaf nodes do not need to have the topology information of other nodes and exact prefixes in the network. This extension also has application in the Internet of Things (IoT). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-spine-leaf-ext/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-spine-leaf-ext-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-spine-leaf-ext-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 19 15:10:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34326130EEC; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:09:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154526099520.2191.18214386245400018518.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:09:55 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 23:09:55 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I do have a question and a suggestion: 1: From the shepherd writeup: (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Pending Response at WG adoption: Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC. --- I'm not sure I really understand what happened, and if they ever replied - I'll trust that the AD did the right thing. 2: The abstract says: This document obsoletes RFC 7810. Once this is published it won't be clear that this is a -bis. It might be useful to include something like: This document obsoletes RFC 7810 (see the Appendix for details). (if the RFC editor will allow it that is :-)) I also agree with Mirja's comments. From nobody Wed Dec 19 15:50:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D8112D7EA; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:50:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154526344075.2240.12361463298671237230.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:50:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 23:50:41 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why does this need to least more than the usual 5 authors, especially since there is already a contributors section that says the entries should be treated as co-authors? From nobody Wed Dec 19 19:31:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F84E12D4E6; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:31:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154527669905.1822.11138986536679857134.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:31:39 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 03:31:39 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Backward compatibility There is text in Appendix A that provides guidance to implementers on how to handle TLVs with length 5 from RFC7810. I think this would be much more helpful inside the main body of the document. I was wondering how the backward compatibility was handled until I read through the Appendix that lists the *diffs*. From nobody Wed Dec 19 19:35:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF8D130E0A; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:34:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, ketant@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154527688937.2072.12996887319475512262.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:34:49 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 03:35:01 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The nice tidy diff against RFC 7810 and description in Appendix A made this document very easy to review; thank you! That said, I think that there are some lingering factual errors that will require some text changes; in particular, relating to the IANA registrations. E.g,. Section 2 shouldn't say "this document registers new IS-IS TE sub-TLVs" and "this document registers several sub-TLVs", since the sub-TLVs are not new. Similarly, one could make a case that the IANA considerations should request for IANA to update the registrations for the indicated sub-TLVs to point to this document instead of RFC 7810. (I'm still balloting No Objection and not Discuss, because I trust the responsible AD to make the right thing happen.) 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Wed, 19 Dec 2018 22:52:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1545281570; bh=eJCXaICHn+lxh4nqJ99lejYyNIsDwdnULegKYgQmi70=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=FwtMNxFgbyWlHx04Ee3ORGMe+mX2qielCmmp5RwcI36OFcI3Fr0ldSmnaSI5HMmDh w4FQDNfRkTRx9YrlTAoON4odxP2nIcdymS/PsuVtm7dGNYbkQRfDUJfGQcmfDuxlzo 8XCnBC5qPAbk7x5qUxm6jy8RHLHttd8rVJmmj+O8= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106] claimed to be [10.0.1.120] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Ben Campbell X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16C50) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 22:52:46 -0600 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" , "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <154526344075.2240.12361463298671237230.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 04:52:56 -0000 Thanks, Les, that is a perfectly good explanation. Ben. > On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:26 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = wrote: >=20 > Ben - >=20 > When Errata ID: 5293 was posted we quickly realized that we had an interop= erability issue due to the unintended ambiguousness of RFC 7810. In order to= help resolve this ASAP I volunteered to be editor of a bis version.=20 > In that role I have tried my best to move this document along as quickly a= s possible to help reduce the possibility that additional implementations mi= ght come along that also did not behave as intended. (Has only taken 9 month= s so far. :-) ) >=20 > Given I was not one of the original authors of RFC 7810 - and that we were= not making any substantive revision to the text - merely correcting what wa= s just a cut and paste error - I did not feel it appropriate to remove any o= f the authors of RFC 7810. After all 98% of the text is identical to RFC 781= 0. >=20 > So, you have 6 authors on this document. I think this is reasonable under t= he circumstances. >=20 > Les >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Campbell >> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:51 PM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) >> ; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; Ketan >> Talaulikar (ketant) ; lsr@ietf.org >> Subject: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04= : >> (with COMMENT) >>=20 >> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html= >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Why does this need to least more than the usual 5 authors, especially sin= ce >> there is already a contributors section that says the entries should be t= reated >> as co-authors? >>=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Dec 19 21:44:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD885130FF8; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:44:21 -0800 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The IESG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004e3dd2057d72c9f7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:54:04 -0000 --0000000000004e3dd2057d72c9f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On December 19, 2018 at 6:09:55 PM, Warren Kumari (warren@kumari.net) wrote: Warren: Hi! 1: From the shepherd writeup: (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Pending Response at WG adoption: Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC. --- I'm not sure I really understand what happened, and if they ever replied - I'll trust that the AD did the right thing. rfc7810 is a fairly recent document (2016), all the IPR checks were done there [1]. Because of the importance, with relation to shipping implementations, of the changes in rfc7810bis, and to not delay the processing longer than needed, we decided to move on. Note that Les, who took on the editorial pen for the changes, is the only author/contributor not listed as such in rfc7810. Alvaro. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions/shepherdwriteup/ --0000000000004e3dd2057d72c9f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On December 19, 2018 at 6:09:55= PM, Warren Kumari (warren@kumari.net<= /a>) wrote:

Hi!

1: From the she= pherd writeup:=C2=A0(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all = appropriate IPR=C2=A0disclosures required for full conformance with= the provisions of BCP 78=C2=A0
and BCP 79 have already been filed. = If not, explain why.=C2=A0

Pending Response at WG a= doption:=C2=A0
Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward=C2=A0
Contributor= s: A Atlas, C Filsfils=C2=A0

There was no IPR poll = done during/after WGLC.=C2=A0<= /span>
---=C2=A0
I'm not sure I re= ally understand what happened, and if they ever replied - I'll=C2=A0
trust that the AD did the right thing.=C2=A0

rfc7810 is a fairly recent document (2016), all the IPR c= hecks were done there [1].=C2=A0 Because of the importance, with relation t= o shipping implementations, of the changes in rfc7810bis, and to not delay = the processing longer than needed, we decided to move on.=C2=A0 Note that L= es, who took on the editorial pen for the changes, is the only author/contr= ibutor not listed as such in rfc7810.

Alvaro.


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We only know = of one implementation that has the wrong encoding and we have fixed that on= e.=C2=A0

I then see no harm in r= emoving the =E2=80=9Cgenerosity=E2=80=9D paragraph.=C2=A0 As Suresh suggest= s, it will make the document even clearer.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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<= /body> --000000000000705d06057d72e311-- From nobody Thu Dec 20 04:08:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A68131128; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 04:08:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FFGz4VJFX4zf; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 04:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96ADC13112D; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 04:08:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=15903; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1545307683; x=1546517283; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PW+/lngGKW1UGd0+dOqP9ARBbtUt0Z3wv8cKfxyRBYI=; b=LxS1UuY7QZOZtQzfzauPHzBa69Td16QLr6ucgXfuHQ5LBTQqAW0/BjzR Qu2w3qrYWyQMfWrnqdgrAodeKpVeukiteUvIXZOk6iWKqA8YATGLLn4fr KMiSkdKkPBCvfVx5DHXb+zHakt6OjC/ehnzH5eqJ+PXDJVTF815N86ZH+ w=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,376,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8992911" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Dec 2018 12:08:00 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.53] (ams-ppsenak-nitro4.cisco.com [10.60.140.53]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBKC7xrt008491; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 12:08:00 GMT To: Benjamin Kaduk References: <154398144445.4943.7198735398003216566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5C079200.1030701@cisco.com> <20181217055358.GC94620@kduck.kaduk.org> <69190220-4994-f9c9-4adf-5016abf3a39b@cisco.com> Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: <03e6354b-c606-fc4a-bbf2-3d59fa1cb774@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:07:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <69190220-4994-f9c9-4adf-5016abf3a39b@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.140.53, ams-ppsenak-nitro4.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 12:08:13 -0000 Hi Benjamin, are you ok with my responses and proposed changed text for the range? thanks, Peter On 17/12/2018 12:32 , Peter Psenak wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > please see inline (##PP): > > On 17/12/2018 06:53 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >> Sorry for the slow reply -- you caught me right as I was leaving for >> vacation. >> >> On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 09:53:20AM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote: >>> Hi Benjamin, >>> >>> please see inline: >>> >>> On 05/12/18 04:44 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>>> Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for >>>> draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: Discuss >>>> >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>>> >>>> >>>> Please refer to >>>> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>> >>>> >>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> DISCUSS: >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> What is the extensibility model for the "AF" (address family) field >>>> in the >>>> OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV? That is, what do we need to say >>>> about >>>> current implementations' behavior to allow future changes? (I also a >>>> little bit wonder if we really need a full eight bits, but that's >>>> basically >>>> aesthetic.) >>> >>> I don't think OSPFv3 will ever support other then IPv6 or IPv4 AF. Also >>> the text says: >>> >>> "Prefix encoding for other address families is beyond the scope >>> of this specification." >> >> Perhaps it would be better encoded in a 1-bit field (rather than an 8-bit >> one), then? That would at least make the (lack of) semantics of the >> other >> 7 bits more clear, as the usual "MUST set to zero on transmit and >> ignore on >> receipt". > > ##PP > it's too late now to change the encoding. This draft has several years > of history and there are implementation shipping. Changing the encoding > would cause the backward compatibility issues. > >> >>>> >>>> Some of the text in Section 8.1 (see the COMMENT section) reads like it >>>> might have an "Updates" relationship with other documents, but I >>>> don't know >>>> enough to be sure. Hopefully we can have a conversation to clarify the >>>> situation. >>> >>> please see my comments below. >> >> Okay. >> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> COMMENT: >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Section 1 >>>> >>>> Is there a start of the separate document that covers SR with the >>>> IPv6 data >>>> plane that we could reference from here? >>> >>> this document describes OSPFv3 extension for SR with the MPLS data >>> plane, not IPv6 data plane. And rfc8402 is referenced. >> >> I understand the difference between OSPFv3 SR with MPLS vs. IPv6 data >> plane >> (well, at least that there is a difference). My point is that you say it >> "will be specified in a separate document". If there's an existing I-D >> that is the start of this work, listing it as an informative reference >> seems helpful to me. (If there's not, perhaps "at a later date" would >> work >> instead of "in a separate document".) >> >> But of course this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to ignore -- I >> really don't mind. >> >>>> >>>> Section 5 >>>> >>>> In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of >>>> prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is >>>> described in >>>> [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], is an example of >>>> where >>>> a single advertisement is needed to advertise SIDs for multiple >>>> prefixes from a contiguous address range. >>>> >>>> I note that the referenced document does not use the word "range" to >>>> describe the prefix being assigned multiple SIDs; it might be >>>> helpful to >>>> say a few more words about how the range of prefixes gets mapped to >>>> what is >>>> discussed in the linked document. >>> >>> "prefix being assigned multiple SIDs" - that is not what we are doing >>> here. >> >> Hmm, I must have misspoke; sorry. My point remains, though, that if I >> go to >> I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop and search for "range", I >> will >> not find anything to help me know which part of that document you are >> talking about. I would encourage some additional text to clarify how the >> terminology used in this document relates to the terminology and work >> used >> in the referenced document. > > ##PP > range is not defined in I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop, > it's the SRMS functionality that is defined there. > The range was defined for IGPs to optimize the encoding for SRMS > advertisement - with thousands of prefixes the encoding would not scale > if we advertise the individual SID for every prefix independently. > > What about the following updated text in the OSPFv3 draft: > > "In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of > prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in > , is an > example of where SIDs for multiple prefixes can be advertised. To > optimize such advertisement in case of multiple prefixes from a > contiguous address range, OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV is defined." > >> >>>> >>>> I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given >>>> this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 >>>> and a >>>> range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is >>>> encoded >>>> as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, >>>> 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? >>> >>> yes. >>> >>>> Or am I constrained to be a subset of >>>> 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes >>>> would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I >>>> would suggest >>>> stating this explictly, here. >>>> >>> >>> I would thing that the example in section 16 is clear enough. >> >> I generally prefer to describe the normative behavior in actual text >> description instead of relying on examples to clarify the expected >> behavior. That said, this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to >> retain the current text. If you did want to add something, I would >> propose the strawman: >> >> OLD: >> The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same >> prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set >> starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. >> The number of prefixes in the range is equal to the Range size. >> >> NEW: >> The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same >> prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set >> starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix >> field and >> continues with the subsequent prefixes of the same length, forming a >> contiguous block of addresses. Since the Range Size is not >> restricted to a >> power of two, this new block of addresses may not be describable >> using a >> single address prefix/length. The number of prefixes in the range is >> equal to the Range size. >> >> >> >>> >>>> Section 6 >>>> >>>> Should there be any discussion of the historical or future reasons >>>> why V >>>> and L are separate flag bits, given that the only legal combinations >>>> are >>>> currently 00 and 11, i.e., fully redundant? >>> >>> I would rather not get into that discussion here. >> >> That's fine, though even just noting the redundancy and that it exists >> for >> [historical/...] reasons might help some readers understand more easily. >> >>>> >>>> It may not be necessary to expand ASBR on first usage here, since >>>> it's in >>>> the terminology section (and marked as "well-known" at >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt). >>> >>> ASBR is defined in terminology section. >> >> Precisely; you can just use the abbreviation if you want and make the >> text >> here shorter. > > ##PP > done. > >> >>>> >>>> If the NP-Flag is not set, then any upstream neighbor of the >>>> Prefix- >>>> SID originator MUST pop the Prefix-SID. This is equivalent to the >>>> penultimate hop popping mechanism used in the MPLS dataplane. >>>> If the >>>> NP-flag is not set, then the received E-flag is ignored. >>>> >>>> Is it going to be clear that "pop" only applies when this Prefix-SID >>>> is the >>>> outermost label? (Or am I super-confused about how this is supposed to >>>> work?) >>> >>> you can only POP the outmost label. >> >> Okay, thanks for confirming. >> >>>> >>>> A similar consideration may apply to the discussion of the NP flag >>>> as well. >>>> Also some redundantly expanded ABR and ASBR here as well. >>>> >>>> This is useful, e.g., when the originator of the Prefix- >>>> SID is the final destination for the related prefix and the >>>> originator wishes to receive the packet with the original EXP >>>> bits. >>>> >>>> Are we still supposed to call these the EXP bits after RFC 5462? (I >>>> had to >>>> look up what they were; not sure if this means that we should put a >>>> reference in for them or not, given that I'm not a practitioner here.) >>> >>> I can rename to "Traffic Class" if you insist. >> >> I do not insist; I'm just trying to understand the common >> usage/conventions. > > ##PP > it has been updated. > > thanks, > Peter > >> >>>> >>>> When the M-Flag is set, the NP-flag and the E-flag MUST be >>>> ignored on >>>> reception. >>>> >>>> Do I understand this correctly that this is because the mapping >>>> server may >>>> not know the needs of the individual routers, and if the routers had >>>> specific needs they should advertise the SIDs directly (which would >>>> take >>>> precedence over the mapping server's advertisement)? If so, given the >>>> following discussion, I wouldn't suggest adding any extra text about >>>> it, >>>> but I do want to make sure I'm understanding it properly. >>> >>> your understanding is correct. There is also some more details in the >>> next section. >>> >>>> >>>> When a Prefix-SID is advertised in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range >>>> TLV, then the value advertised in the Prefix SID Sub-TLV is >>>> interpreted as a starting SID/Label value. >>>> >>>> Am I remembering correctly that Prefix-SID can appear multiple times >>>> within >>>> OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range? Then each Prefix-SID would be >>>> indicating a >>>> distinct range but adhering to the same parameters of the range that >>>> are >>>> indicated in the Extended Prefix Range TLV? This seems a little >>>> weird on >>>> the face of it (as opposed to a single Prefix-SID sub-TLV per Extended >>>> Prefix Range), but maybe there's a use case that I'm missing on first >>>> glance. >>> >>> the use case is when you need to advertise Prefix-SID for different >>> Algorithms. >>> >>>> >>>> Section 7.1 >>>> >>>> (Probably off-topic: what's the use case for assigning the same >>>> Adj-SID to >>>> different adjacencies?) >>> >>> load balancing of traffic over multiple links. >> >> Thanks for helping me understand better (here and above). >> >>>> >>>> Section 7.2 >>>> >>>> Perhaps add DR to the terminology section (or expand on first usage)? >>> >>> ok, will do. >>> >>>> >>>> Section 8.1 >>>> >>>> When a Prefix-SID is advertised by the Mapping Server, which is >>>> indicated by the M-flag in the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV (Section 6), the >>>> route type as implied by the LSA type is ignored and the Prefix-SID >>>> is bound to the corresponding prefix independent of the route type. >>>> >>>> Is this considered to be Update-ing the behavior of another RFC? >>> >>> no. All we say is that the LSA type in which the SID from SRMS is >>> advertised does not need to match the route-type of the prefix for which >>> the SID is adverised. >> >> Okay, thanks. >> >>>> >>>> Advertisement of the Prefix-SID by the Mapping Server using an >>>> Inter- >>>> Area Prefix TLV, External-Prefix TLV, or Intra-Area-Prefix TLV >>>> [RFC8362] does not itself contribute to the prefix >>>> reachability. The >>>> NU-bit MUST be set in the PrefixOptions field of the LSA which is >>>> used by the Mapping Server to advertise SID or SID Range, which >>>> prevents the advertisement from contributing to prefix >>>> reachability. >>>> >>>> This MUST reads like it is restating an existing normative >>>> requirement from >>>> elsewhere (in which case we should probably just state it as fact and >>>> provide a reference). Or is it a new requirement (in which case >>>> Updates: >>>> might be in order)? >>> >>> not sure I understand. NU-bit is defined in rfc5340. We are just reusing >>> it here. I can add a reference to it. >> >> Thanks for the pointer. I was wondering whether RFC5340 itself would >> require the NU bit to be set in this situation -- from a quick skim, it >> seems that it does not, so there's nothing to do here (other than add >> that >> reference, if you want.) >> >>>> >>>> Area-scoped OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLVs are propagated >>>> between >>>> areas. Similar to propagation of prefixes between areas, an ABR >>>> only >>>> propagates the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV that it >>>> considers to >>>> be the best from the set it received. The rules used to pick the >>>> best OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV are described in Section 5. >>>> >>>> I don't see any usage of "best" in Section 5; I do see direction to >>>> use the >>>> numerically smallest Instance ID when multiple Extended Prefix Range >>>> TLVs >>>> advertise *the exact same range*. But this in and of itself does not >>>> safisfy the claim here that there is guidance to pick a single best >>>> Extended Prefix Range TLV, so I'm left confused as to what's >>>> supposed to >>>> happen. Perhaps this was intended as a transition to Section 8.2 >>>> instead >>>> of referring back to Section 5 (especially considering that Section >>>> 8.1 is >>>> supposed to be intra-area but this topic is inter-area)? >>>> (This sort of dangling/unclear internal reference would normally be a >>>> DISCUSS, but it seems very likely this is just a stale section >>>> number and >>>> not a real problem, so I'm keeping it in the COMMENT section for now.) >>> >>> right, I will remove the reference to section 5 and correct the text. >>> >>>> >>>> Section 8.4.1 >>>> >>>> Do we need a reference for 2-Way and FULL? >>> >>> these are standard OSPF adjacency states. >> >> Okay. Sorry for my ignorance here (and throughout), and thank you again >> for your patient explanations of the "basic concepts". >> >>>> >>>> Section 9 >>>> >>>> I would normally expect some text about "IANA has made permanent the >>>> following temporary allocations" or similar, so the reader can >>>> quickly tell >>>> that this is not a case of codepoint squatting. >>> >>> well, I guess what is important is that the IANA allocations has been >>> made. >> >> Indeed. >> >> -Benjamin >> . >> > > . > From nobody Thu Dec 20 05:58:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9909130E64 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 05:58:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="000000000000971e64057d748535" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:58:22 -0000 --000000000000971e64057d748535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:17 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > (Copying Mirja as well since one portion of my reply relates to her > comment) > > Warren - > > Inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Warren Kumari > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:10 PM > > To: The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > ; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; Ketan > > Talaulikar (ketant) ; lsr@ietf.org > > Subject: Warren Kumari's No Objection on > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: > > (with COMMENT) > > > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I do have a question and a suggestion: > > > > 1: From the shepherd writeup: > > (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR > > disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 > > and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. > > > > Pending Response at WG adoption: > > Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward > > Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils > > > > There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC. > > --- > > I'm not sure I really understand what happened, and if they ever replied > - I'll > > trust that the AD did the right thing. > > > > [Les:] And so will I. :-) > > > 2: The abstract says: This document obsoletes RFC 7810. > > Once this is published it won't be clear that this is a -bis. It might be > > useful to include something like: This document obsoletes RFC 7810 (see > the > > Appendix for details). (if the RFC editor will allow it that is :-)) > > > [Les:] When the document is published the following things will happen: > > RFC7810 will get updated to include a line in the header that says: > "Obsoleted by RFCxxxx" > RFCtobe (this document) will retain "Obsoletes RFC7810" in the header and > the existing text in the abstract will also be retained. > > Surely that is enough (as well as being standard practice). > > If I've already read RFC7810, I'd certainly like to be able to look at the abstract / obsoleted tab, see that Appendix A has the summary of what changed, and then know what / if I have to reread in this doc. But, this is just a comment / suggestion, feel free it ignore it... > > > I also agree with Mirja's comments. > > [Les:] Apologies to Mirja for not responding to her comment. > She suggested reference to RFCs such as RFC3393. > > RFC 7810 referenced RFC6374 and RFC6375 - and this document retains those > references. > We believe this adequately covers the "how to calculate" topic. > > Les > > > > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --000000000000971e64057d748535 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


(Copying Mirja as well since one porti= on of my reply relates to her comment)

Warren -

Inline.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:10 PM
> To: The IESG <ie= sg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (= ketant)
> <ketant@cisco= .com>; a= retana.ietf@gmail.com; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; Ketan
> Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org
> Subject: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc78= 10bis-04:
> (with COMMENT)
>
> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> I do have a question and a suggestion:
>
> 1: From the shepherd writeup:
> (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
> disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 7= 8
> and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pending Response at WG adoption:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC.
> ---
> I'm not sure I really understand what happened, and if they ever r= eplied - I'll
> trust that the AD did the right thing.
>

[Les:] And so will I. :-)

> 2: The abstract says: This document obsoletes RFC 7810.
> Once this is published it won't be clear that this is a -bis. It m= ight be
> useful to include something like: This document obsoletes RFC 7810 (se= e the
> Appendix for details). (if the RFC editor will allow it that is :-)) >
[Les:] When the document is published the following things will happen:

RFC7810 will get updated to include a line in the header that says: "O= bsoleted by RFCxxxx"
RFCtobe (this document) will retain "Obsoletes RFC7810" in the he= ader and the existing text in the abstract will also be retained.

Surely that is enough (as well as being standard practice).


If I've already read RFC7810, I'd c= ertainly like to be able to look at the abstract / obsoleted tab, see that = Appendix A has the summary of what changed, and then know what / if I have = to reread in this doc.
But, this is just a comment / suggestion, feel free = it ignore it...

=C2=A0

> I also agree with Mirja's comments.

[Les:] Apologies to Mirja for not responding to her comment.
She suggested reference to RFCs such as RFC3393.

RFC 7810 referenced RFC6374 and RFC6375 - and this document retains those r= eferences.
We believe this adequately covers the "how to calculate" topic. <= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Les

>



--
I don't think the execution is relevant when= it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting ra= bid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen tho= se particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf<= /div>
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If not, explain why. > > Pending Response at WG adoption: > Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward > Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils > > There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC. > --- > I'm not sure I really understand what happened, and if they ever replied - > I'll > trust that the AD did the right thing. > > rfc7810 is a fairly recent document (2016), all the IPR checks were done > there [1]. Because of the importance, with relation to shipping > implementations, of the changes in rfc7810bis, and to not delay the > processing longer than needed, we decided to move on. Note that Les, who > took on the editorial pen for the changes, is the only author/contributor > not listed as such in rfc7810. > Okey dokey (and, unsurprisingly, I was right to trust that you'd done the right thing :-)) W > Alvaro. > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions/shepherdwriteup/ > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --000000000000761ee3057d7489de Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Th= u, Dec 20, 2018 at 6:54 AM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
On December 19, 2018 at 6:09:55 PM, Warren Kuma= ri (warren@kumari.ne= t) wrote:

Warren:

Hi!

1: From the s= hepherd writeup:=C2=A0
(7) Has each author confirme= d that any and all appropriate IPR=C2=A0
disclosure= s required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78=C2=A0
and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why.=C2=A0

Pending Response at WG adopti= on:=C2=A0<= /span>
Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward=C2=A0<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal= ;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wo= rd-spacing:0px">Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils=C2=A0

There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC.=C2=A0<= /span>
---=C2=A0
I'm not su= re I really understand what happened, and if they ever replied - I'll=C2=A0
trust that the AD did the right thing.=C2=A0

rfc781= 0 is a fairly recent document (2016), all the IPR checks were done there [1= ].=C2=A0 Because of the importance, with relation to shipping implementatio= ns, of the changes in rfc7810bis, and to not delay the processing longer th= an needed, we decided to move on.=C2=A0 Note that Les, who took on the edit= orial pen for the changes, is the only author/contributor not listed as suc= h in rfc7810.


Okey dokey (and= , unsurprisingly, I was right to trust that you'd done the right thing = :-))
W

=C2=A0


--
I don't think the execution is relevant when= it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting ra= bid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen tho= se particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf<= /div>
--000000000000761ee3057d7489de-- From nobody Thu Dec 20 06:03:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861EC130E6C; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 06:03:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: ketant@cisco.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, Ketan Talaulikar , draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154531459754.19099.13417855235555116376.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 06:03:17 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:03:18 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rich version of this review at: https://mozphab-ietf.devsvcdev.mozaws.net/D5671 This seems like a straightforward document. Looking at S 14, I see the following "The following people contributed substantially to the content of this document and should be considered co-authors". Is this just an artifact of the 5 author limit? Perhaps we should make an exception. COMMENTS S 4.1. > > A bit: The A bit represents the Anomalous (A) bit. The A bit is set > when the measured value of this parameter exceeds its configured > maximum threshold. The A bit is cleared when the measured value > falls below its configured reuse threshold. If the A bit is clear, > the sub-TLV represents steady-state link performance. Just to be clear, I have no way of knowing remotely what the threshold is, right? S 4.2. > value (in microseconds) over a configurable interval, encoded as an > integer value. > > Implementations MAY also permit the configuration of an offset value > (in microseconds) to be added to the measured delay value, to > facilitate the communication of operator-specific delay constraints. I'm probably missing something, but I don't think I understand the purpose of this. Would you mind adding a sentence or two about how you would use this offset? S 4.3. > > RESERVED: This field is reserved for future use. It MUST be set to 0 > when sent and MUST be ignored when received. > > Delay Variation: This 24-bit field carries the average link delay > variation over a configurable interval in microseconds, encoded as an So the peer has no idea of what that interval is, right? 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Looking at S 14, I see the following "The following people contributed substantially to the content of this document and should be considered co-authors". Is this just an artifact of the 5 author limit? Perhaps we should make an exception. That=E2=80=99s a carryover from rfc7810. This document actually added one = author to the front page. Alvaro. --00000000000001e6f9057d752417 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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Hi!

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Alvaro.
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On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 6:42 AM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
On December 20, 2018 at= 9:03:18 AM, Eric Rescorla (ekr@rtfm.com) wrote:

Hi!

Looking at S= 14, I see the following "The following people contributed=C2=A0=
substantially to the content of this=C2=A0
document and should be considered co-authors". Is this j= ust an=C2= =A0
artifact of the 5 author limit? Perha= ps we should make an exception.=C2=A0

=
That=E2=80=99s a carryover from rfc7810.=C2=A0 This document actually adde= d one author to the front page.

OK. I don't have any objection here, I just noticed it and thou= ght "maybe some people deserve credit"

-= Ekr

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Alvaro.
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draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 15:46:27 -0000 --00000000000067dce4057d76088f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On December 20, 2018 at 10:43:06 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ( ginsberg@cisco.com) wrote: I think the document is better off as is =E2=80=93 but if you folks insist = I will remove the text =E2=80=93 though clearly I disagree with this choice. 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On December 20, 2018 at 10:43:0= 6 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) (ginsbe= rg@cisco.com) wrote:

I think the document is better off as is =E2=80=93 but if you folks insist= I will remove the text =E2=80=93 though clearly I disagree with this choic= e.

Please do.

Thanks!

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This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions Authors : Les Ginsberg Stefano Previdi Spencer Giacolone Dave Ward John Drake Qin Wu Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-05.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2018-12-20 Abstract: In certain networks, such as, but not limited to, financial information networks (e.g., stock market data providers), network- performance criteria (e.g., latency) are becoming as critical to data-path selection as other metrics. This document describes extensions to IS-IS Traffic Engineering Extensions (RFC 5305) such that network-performance information can be distributed and collected in a scalable fashion. The information distributed using IS-IS TE Metric Extensions can then be used to make path-selection decisions based on network performance. Note that this document only covers the mechanisms with which network-performance information is distributed. The mechanisms for measuring network performance or acting on that information, once distributed, are outside the scope of this document. This document obsoletes RFC 7810. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , ketant@cisco.com, Ketan Talaulikar , lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <154534362968.19107.8696616324183931229.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:07:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Protocol Action: 'IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-05.txt) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 22:07:10 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions' (draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-05.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Link State Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ Technical Summary This document describes extensions to IS-IS Traffic Engineering Extensions (RFC 5305) such that network-performance information can be distributed and collected in a scalable fashion. The information distributed using IS-IS TE Metric Extensions can then be used to make path-selection decisions based on network performance. Note that this document only covers the mechanisms with which network-performance information is distributed. The mechanisms for measuring network performance or acting on that information, once distributed, are outside the scope of this document. Working Group Summary This bis draft update to RFC7810 was created out of an errata submitted that pointed out errors in the definition of certain bandwidth related sub-TLVs. There was a quick and unanimous decision to address this error by publishing this bis update. The specific changes are outlined in the Appendix. Document Quality The RFC7810 published over two years ago has at least two known implementations. There is no change to the technical solution in this update. The updated bis draft has identical content to RFC7810 except for the changes for fixing of the error in encoding and highlighting the changes in the appendix. Personnel Ketan Talaulikar is the Document Shepherd. Alvaro Retana is the Responsible Area Director. From nobody Thu Dec 20 16:27:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748251312AB; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:26:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ejn94NuXPi8; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu [18.7.68.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3547130EBC; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:26:50 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 12074423-8c3ff700000053bc-d2-5c1c33478171 Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.43]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id C2.C4.21436.8433C1C5; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.9.2) with ESMTP id wBL0Ql0I004269; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:26:47 -0500 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id wBL0Qi18014602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:26:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:26:43 -0600 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" , "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20181221002643.GN94620@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <154527688937.2072.12996887319475512262.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5d87307e8c394db2b2873422a53ae8af@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5d87307e8c394db2b2873422a53ae8af@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpnleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IR4hTV1vUwlokxuPFJxeLGoQ1MFq+PWVls +LOR3WLGn4nMFg/3PmCxWH/1JIvFiScrWB3YPab83sjqsXPWXXaPJUt+MgUwR3HZpKTmZJal FunbJXBl3HlSVHBFvOLO5V8sDYzThbsYOTkkBEwkvsz4wdLFyMUhJLCGSeLD5nfsEM5GRokX a2awQTh3mCTm7H/DDNLCIqAqcfPFNiYQm01ARaKh+zJQnINDRMBIYvFzbZB6ZoGzTBLLl3Qw gtQICyRK7HgxCczmBVq36NghqHUdjBJ3b19nhkgISpyc+YQFxGYW0JK48e8lE8hQZgFpieX/ OEDCnAKuEk0zPoCFRYH2fl4gMIFRYBaS5llImmchNC9gZF7FKJuSW6Wbm5iZU5yarFucnJiX l1qka6aXm1mil5pSuokRFN7sLso7GF/2eR9iFOBgVOLh1dglHSPEmlhWXJl7iFGSg0lJlPeV rEyMEF9SfkplRmJxRnxRaU5q8SFGCQ5mJRHeUhagHG9KYmVValE+TEqag0VJnPePyONoIYH0 xJLU7NTUgtQimKwMB4eSBK+sEVCjYFFqempFWmZOCUKaiYMTZDgP0PA/hiDDiwsSc4sz0yHy pxgVpcR5pUCaBUASGaV5cL2g9CORvb/mFaM40CvCvIk6QFU8wNQF1/0KaDAT0OCcLUwgg0sS EVJSDYw17Ap+E8+11PwQqYpN14n2Y1nrUrL49jP+dJ8Zm8TfXheTZ1/Lduv5a5mbxmZmPmdk +s5x7khkveDRwyOYbPo/JmPbLW7pJwHhWz4Gi6Uv6394uOnAmVdM37uvLIyWlw6xWtT5Kjmt /OrSvR23zz8X2Slw9LJOCs+TWfV6udk+DybcfHh8p6cSS3FGoqEWc1FxIgBi82gUGgMAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 00:26:57 -0000 On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 04:42:13AM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Benjamin - > > Inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benjamin Kaduk > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:35 PM > > To: The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > ; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; Ketan > > Talaulikar (ketant) ; lsr@ietf.org > > Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: > > (with COMMENT) > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The nice tidy diff against RFC 7810 and description in Appendix A made this > > document very easy to review; thank you! > > > > [Les:] Thanx. > > > That said, I think that there are some lingering factual errors that will > > require some text changes; in particular, relating to the IANA > > registrations. E.g,. Section 2 shouldn't say "this document registers new > > IS-IS TE sub-TLVs" and "this document registers several sub-TLVs", since > > the sub-TLVs are not new. Similarly, one could make a case that the IANA > > considerations should request for IANA to update the registrations for the > > indicated sub-TLVs to point to this document instead of RFC 7810. > > > > [Les:] I think we are discussing small matters here - though I appreciate your desire for diligence. > I would argue that once this document is published no one should have to read RFC 7810 ever again (unless you are a history buff). Which means it really then does become "this document" which introduces the new sub-TLVs. > So using language which requires the existence of the obsoleted document seems wrong to me. Re-reading, I see I wrote this in a bit of haste. Of the actual text I quoted, I would suggest only removing the word "new"... > Regarding the IANA registry, there has already been an email exchange with the IANA folks and the registry will be updated to point to this document. ... and am happy to hear this is already in progress. (My travel schedule did not allow me to keep up on all the other email traffic for this document prior to the telechat, so I had missed it.) -Benjamin From nobody Fri Dec 21 20:29:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843F0130FFF; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:29:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XY312I0FKg7h; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu [18.7.68.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2428D130FFB; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:29:48 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 12074424-9cbff70000003214-93-5c1dbdb89d55 Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 7E.26.12820.9BDBD1C5; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 23:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.9.2) with ESMTP id wBM4ThWr026224; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 23:29:44 -0500 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id wBM4TeSE031084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 21 Dec 2018 23:29:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 22:29:40 -0600 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Peter Psenak Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsr-chairs@ietf.org, lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181222042939.GW94620@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <154398144445.4943.7198735398003216566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5C079200.1030701@cisco.com> <20181217055358.GC94620@kduck.kaduk.org> <69190220-4994-f9c9-4adf-5016abf3a39b@cisco.com> <03e6354b-c606-fc4a-bbf2-3d59fa1cb774@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <03e6354b-c606-fc4a-bbf2-3d59fa1cb774@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupkleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRYrdT1921VzbGoHGPkcXkt/OYLW4c2sBk sXZaF7PFjD8TmS3WXz3JYnHiyQpWix2729kc2D2m/N7I6rFz1l12jyVLfjIFMEdx2aSk5mSW pRbp2yVwZXy4qlOwpYux4kGfXwPj8ewuRk4OCQETiZ6jXaxdjFwcQgJrmCTmbulmgnA2Mkoc OnCUGcK5wyTxcOMMFpAWFgFVicYnrewgNpuAikRD92VmEFsEyJ53vYcFpIFZ4AyjxI7zp8Aa hAVqJaZNnANWxAu07+zVJ2wQU/8wSqyZCFHEKyAocXLmEzCbWUBL4sa/l0B3cADZ0hLL/3GA hDkFbCX2THnIAhIWBVr2eYHABEaBWUiaZyFpnoXQvICReRWjbEpulW5uYmZOcWqybnFyYl5e apGuuV5uZoleakrpJkZwiLuo7GDs7vE+xCjAwajEw2vxRSZGiDWxrLgy9xCjJAeTkiivyjTZ GCG+pPyUyozE4oz4otKc1OJDjBIczEoivB22QOW8KYmVValF+TApaQ4WJXHePyKPo4UE0hNL UrNTUwtSi2CyMhwcShK81ruBhgoWpaanVqRl5pQgpJk4OEGG8wAN1wWmBCHe4oLE3OLMdIj8 KUZFKXFeXpBmAZBERmkeXC8oBUlk7695xSgO9Iowr+QeoCoeYPqC634FNJgJaDCXE8jVxSWJ CCmpBsbEwGdefwzL/0snn3idqzPzqsnPXQ4PIkONFnlNqLP64VYV0Pr23scb01+oHtpycc6l eR0iH3POXf2/7u2nZz8ZvB78uP1p1rLV/2KCJh/K+dyVyRTtd77lZuNNSbaAl7VX9+g93/v/ qrC7getFbpGeIp4gix/324I9q4q3rOXdHRyqUyr+IuK3EktxRqKhFnNRcSIAH8UHsBwDAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 04:29:52 -0000 On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 01:07:59PM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > are you ok with my responses and proposed changed text for the range? > > thanks, > Peter > > On 17/12/2018 12:32 , Peter Psenak wrote: > > Hi Benjamin, > > > > please see inline (##PP): > > > > On 17/12/2018 06:53 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > >> Sorry for the slow reply -- you caught me right as I was leaving for > >> vacation. > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 09:53:20AM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote: > >>> Hi Benjamin, > >>> > >>> please see inline: > >>> > >>> On 05/12/18 04:44 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > >>>> Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > >>>> draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: Discuss > >>>> > >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > >>>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > >>>> introductory paragraph, however.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Please refer to > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > >>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> DISCUSS: > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> What is the extensibility model for the "AF" (address family) field > >>>> in the > >>>> OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV? That is, what do we need to say > >>>> about > >>>> current implementations' behavior to allow future changes? (I also a > >>>> little bit wonder if we really need a full eight bits, but that's > >>>> basically > >>>> aesthetic.) > >>> > >>> I don't think OSPFv3 will ever support other then IPv6 or IPv4 AF. Also > >>> the text says: > >>> > >>> "Prefix encoding for other address families is beyond the scope > >>> of this specification." > >> > >> Perhaps it would be better encoded in a 1-bit field (rather than an 8-bit > >> one), then? That would at least make the (lack of) semantics of the > >> other > >> 7 bits more clear, as the usual "MUST set to zero on transmit and > >> ignore on > >> receipt". > > > > ##PP > > it's too late now to change the encoding. This draft has several years > > of history and there are implementation shipping. Changing the encoding > > would cause the backward compatibility issues. I didn't think I was suggesting changing the bits on the wire -- in an 8-octet field, we're encoding the values 0 and 1 as: 00000000 00000001 I'm proposing to change the eight bits to be specified as "the first seven bits are always set to 0 but should be ignored on receipt; the eighth bit represents the 0 or 1 value". This makes it clear what needs to happen if there's a need to use any of those seven bits (an Update to this document) and also makes it more clear that there are not expected to be any additional AFs defined anytime soon. Could you help me understand what would be backward incompatible with this proposal? > >> > >>>> > >>>> Some of the text in Section 8.1 (see the COMMENT section) reads like it > >>>> might have an "Updates" relationship with other documents, but I > >>>> don't know > >>>> enough to be sure. Hopefully we can have a conversation to clarify the > >>>> situation. > >>> > >>> please see my comments below. > >> > >> Okay. > >> > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> COMMENT: > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Section 1 > >>>> > >>>> Is there a start of the separate document that covers SR with the > >>>> IPv6 data > >>>> plane that we could reference from here? > >>> > >>> this document describes OSPFv3 extension for SR with the MPLS data > >>> plane, not IPv6 data plane. And rfc8402 is referenced. > >> > >> I understand the difference between OSPFv3 SR with MPLS vs. IPv6 data > >> plane > >> (well, at least that there is a difference). My point is that you say it > >> "will be specified in a separate document". If there's an existing I-D > >> that is the start of this work, listing it as an informative reference > >> seems helpful to me. (If there's not, perhaps "at a later date" would > >> work > >> instead of "in a separate document".) > >> > >> But of course this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to ignore -- I > >> really don't mind. > >> > >>>> > >>>> Section 5 > >>>> > >>>> In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of > >>>> prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is > >>>> described in > >>>> [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], is an example of > >>>> where > >>>> a single advertisement is needed to advertise SIDs for multiple > >>>> prefixes from a contiguous address range. > >>>> > >>>> I note that the referenced document does not use the word "range" to > >>>> describe the prefix being assigned multiple SIDs; it might be > >>>> helpful to > >>>> say a few more words about how the range of prefixes gets mapped to > >>>> what is > >>>> discussed in the linked document. > >>> > >>> "prefix being assigned multiple SIDs" - that is not what we are doing > >>> here. > >> > >> Hmm, I must have misspoke; sorry. My point remains, though, that if I > >> go to > >> I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop and search for "range", I > >> will > >> not find anything to help me know which part of that document you are > >> talking about. I would encourage some additional text to clarify how the > >> terminology used in this document relates to the terminology and work > >> used > >> in the referenced document. > > > > ##PP > > range is not defined in I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop, > > it's the SRMS functionality that is defined there. > > The range was defined for IGPs to optimize the encoding for SRMS > > advertisement - with thousands of prefixes the encoding would not scale > > if we advertise the individual SID for every prefix independently. > > > > What about the following updated text in the OSPFv3 draft: > > > > "In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of > > prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in > > , is an > > example of where SIDs for multiple prefixes can be advertised. To > > optimize such advertisement in case of multiple prefixes from a > > contiguous address range, OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV is defined." That's a big help, at least for me; thanks! I wonder if the first sentence would be better as "useful to advertise attributes for many prefixes at once", but will definitely defer to your judgement of that. -Benjamin > >> > >>>> > >>>> I'm also not entirely sure how to construct the prefix range just given > >>>> this format description. Suppose I have an IPv4 prefix of 18.18/16 > >>>> and a > >>>> range size of 4; my prefix length is 16 and the address prefix is > >>>> encoded > >>>> as 0x120120000. Am I then representing the four prefixes 18.18/16, > >>>> 18.19/16, 18.20/16, and 18.21/16? > >>> > >>> yes. > >>> > >>>> Or am I constrained to be a subset of > >>>> 18.18/18 (in which case I don't know what the actual distinct prefixes > >>>> would be)? The examples in Section 6 suggests the former, but I > >>>> would suggest > >>>> stating this explictly, here. > >>>> > >>> > >>> I would thing that the example in section 16 is clear enough. > >> > >> I generally prefer to describe the normative behavior in actual text > >> description instead of relying on examples to clarify the expected > >> behavior. That said, this is a non-blocking comment, so feel free to > >> retain the current text. If you did want to add something, I would > >> propose the strawman: > >> > >> OLD: > >> The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same > >> prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set > >> starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix field. > >> The number of prefixes in the range is equal to the Range size. > >> > >> NEW: > >> The range represents the contiguous set of prefixes with the same > >> prefix length as specified by the Prefix Length field. The set > >> starts with the prefix that is specified by the Address Prefix > >> field and > >> continues with the subsequent prefixes of the same length, forming a > >> contiguous block of addresses. Since the Range Size is not > >> restricted to a > >> power of two, this new block of addresses may not be describable > >> using a > >> single address prefix/length. The number of prefixes in the range is > >> equal to the Range size. > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>> Section 6 > >>>> > >>>> Should there be any discussion of the historical or future reasons > >>>> why V > >>>> and L are separate flag bits, given that the only legal combinations > >>>> are > >>>> currently 00 and 11, i.e., fully redundant? > >>> > >>> I would rather not get into that discussion here. > >> > >> That's fine, though even just noting the redundancy and that it exists > >> for > >> [historical/...] reasons might help some readers understand more easily. > >> > >>>> > >>>> It may not be necessary to expand ASBR on first usage here, since > >>>> it's in > >>>> the terminology section (and marked as "well-known" at > >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt). > >>> > >>> ASBR is defined in terminology section. > >> > >> Precisely; you can just use the abbreviation if you want and make the > >> text > >> here shorter. > > > > ##PP > > done. > > > >> > >>>> > >>>> If the NP-Flag is not set, then any upstream neighbor of the > >>>> Prefix- > >>>> SID originator MUST pop the Prefix-SID. This is equivalent to the > >>>> penultimate hop popping mechanism used in the MPLS dataplane. > >>>> If the > >>>> NP-flag is not set, then the received E-flag is ignored. > >>>> > >>>> Is it going to be clear that "pop" only applies when this Prefix-SID > >>>> is the > >>>> outermost label? (Or am I super-confused about how this is supposed to > >>>> work?) > >>> > >>> you can only POP the outmost label. > >> > >> Okay, thanks for confirming. > >> > >>>> > >>>> A similar consideration may apply to the discussion of the NP flag > >>>> as well. > >>>> Also some redundantly expanded ABR and ASBR here as well. > >>>> > >>>> This is useful, e.g., when the originator of the Prefix- > >>>> SID is the final destination for the related prefix and the > >>>> originator wishes to receive the packet with the original EXP > >>>> bits. > >>>> > >>>> Are we still supposed to call these the EXP bits after RFC 5462? (I > >>>> had to > >>>> look up what they were; not sure if this means that we should put a > >>>> reference in for them or not, given that I'm not a practitioner here.) > >>> > >>> I can rename to "Traffic Class" if you insist. > >> > >> I do not insist; I'm just trying to understand the common > >> usage/conventions. > > > > ##PP > > it has been updated. > > > > thanks, > > Peter > > > >> > >>>> > >>>> When the M-Flag is set, the NP-flag and the E-flag MUST be > >>>> ignored on > >>>> reception. > >>>> > >>>> Do I understand this correctly that this is because the mapping > >>>> server may > >>>> not know the needs of the individual routers, and if the routers had > >>>> specific needs they should advertise the SIDs directly (which would > >>>> take > >>>> precedence over the mapping server's advertisement)? If so, given the > >>>> following discussion, I wouldn't suggest adding any extra text about > >>>> it, > >>>> but I do want to make sure I'm understanding it properly. > >>> > >>> your understanding is correct. There is also some more details in the > >>> next section. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> When a Prefix-SID is advertised in the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range > >>>> TLV, then the value advertised in the Prefix SID Sub-TLV is > >>>> interpreted as a starting SID/Label value. > >>>> > >>>> Am I remembering correctly that Prefix-SID can appear multiple times > >>>> within > >>>> OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range? Then each Prefix-SID would be > >>>> indicating a > >>>> distinct range but adhering to the same parameters of the range that > >>>> are > >>>> indicated in the Extended Prefix Range TLV? This seems a little > >>>> weird on > >>>> the face of it (as opposed to a single Prefix-SID sub-TLV per Extended > >>>> Prefix Range), but maybe there's a use case that I'm missing on first > >>>> glance. > >>> > >>> the use case is when you need to advertise Prefix-SID for different > >>> Algorithms. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Section 7.1 > >>>> > >>>> (Probably off-topic: what's the use case for assigning the same > >>>> Adj-SID to > >>>> different adjacencies?) > >>> > >>> load balancing of traffic over multiple links. > >> > >> Thanks for helping me understand better (here and above). > >> > >>>> > >>>> Section 7.2 > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps add DR to the terminology section (or expand on first usage)? > >>> > >>> ok, will do. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Section 8.1 > >>>> > >>>> When a Prefix-SID is advertised by the Mapping Server, which is > >>>> indicated by the M-flag in the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV (Section 6), the > >>>> route type as implied by the LSA type is ignored and the Prefix-SID > >>>> is bound to the corresponding prefix independent of the route type. > >>>> > >>>> Is this considered to be Update-ing the behavior of another RFC? > >>> > >>> no. All we say is that the LSA type in which the SID from SRMS is > >>> advertised does not need to match the route-type of the prefix for which > >>> the SID is adverised. > >> > >> Okay, thanks. > >> > >>>> > >>>> Advertisement of the Prefix-SID by the Mapping Server using an > >>>> Inter- > >>>> Area Prefix TLV, External-Prefix TLV, or Intra-Area-Prefix TLV > >>>> [RFC8362] does not itself contribute to the prefix > >>>> reachability. The > >>>> NU-bit MUST be set in the PrefixOptions field of the LSA which is > >>>> used by the Mapping Server to advertise SID or SID Range, which > >>>> prevents the advertisement from contributing to prefix > >>>> reachability. > >>>> > >>>> This MUST reads like it is restating an existing normative > >>>> requirement from > >>>> elsewhere (in which case we should probably just state it as fact and > >>>> provide a reference). Or is it a new requirement (in which case > >>>> Updates: > >>>> might be in order)? > >>> > >>> not sure I understand. NU-bit is defined in rfc5340. We are just reusing > >>> it here. I can add a reference to it. > >> > >> Thanks for the pointer. I was wondering whether RFC5340 itself would > >> require the NU bit to be set in this situation -- from a quick skim, it > >> seems that it does not, so there's nothing to do here (other than add > >> that > >> reference, if you want.) > >> > >>>> > >>>> Area-scoped OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLVs are propagated > >>>> between > >>>> areas. Similar to propagation of prefixes between areas, an ABR > >>>> only > >>>> propagates the OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV that it > >>>> considers to > >>>> be the best from the set it received. The rules used to pick the > >>>> best OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV are described in Section 5. > >>>> > >>>> I don't see any usage of "best" in Section 5; I do see direction to > >>>> use the > >>>> numerically smallest Instance ID when multiple Extended Prefix Range > >>>> TLVs > >>>> advertise *the exact same range*. But this in and of itself does not > >>>> safisfy the claim here that there is guidance to pick a single best > >>>> Extended Prefix Range TLV, so I'm left confused as to what's > >>>> supposed to > >>>> happen. Perhaps this was intended as a transition to Section 8.2 > >>>> instead > >>>> of referring back to Section 5 (especially considering that Section > >>>> 8.1 is > >>>> supposed to be intra-area but this topic is inter-area)? > >>>> (This sort of dangling/unclear internal reference would normally be a > >>>> DISCUSS, but it seems very likely this is just a stale section > >>>> number and > >>>> not a real problem, so I'm keeping it in the COMMENT section for now.) > >>> > >>> right, I will remove the reference to section 5 and correct the text. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Section 8.4.1 > >>>> > >>>> Do we need a reference for 2-Way and FULL? > >>> > >>> these are standard OSPF adjacency states. > >> > >> Okay. Sorry for my ignorance here (and throughout), and thank you again > >> for your patient explanations of the "basic concepts". > >> > >>>> > >>>> Section 9 > >>>> > >>>> I would normally expect some text about "IANA has made permanent the > >>>> following temporary allocations" or similar, so the reader can > >>>> quickly tell > >>>> that this is not a case of codepoint squatting. > >>> > >>> well, I guess what is important is that the IANA allocations has been > >>> made. > >> > >> Indeed. > >> > >> -Benjamin > >> . > >> > > > > . > > > From nobody Sat Dec 22 06:34:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA88126DBF; Sat, 22 Dec 2018 06:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 16:53:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181222042939.GW94620@kduck.kaduk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.140.53, ams-ppsenak-nitro4.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 15:53:59 -0000 Hi Benjamin, On 22/12/2018 05:29 , Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>> What about the following updated text in the OSPFv3 draft: >>> >>> "In some cases it is useful to advertise attributes for a range of >>> prefixes. The Segment Routing Mapping Server, which is described in >>> , is an >>> example of where SIDs for multiple prefixes can be advertised. To >>> optimize such advertisement in case of multiple prefixes from a >>> contiguous address range, OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV is defined." > > That's a big help, at least for me; thanks! > I wonder if the first sentence would be better as "useful to advertise > attributes for many prefixes at once", but will definitely defer to your > judgement of that. sure, I will word it that way. thanks, Peter > > -Benjamin From nobody Wed Dec 26 06:51:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B38131031; Wed, 26 Dec 2018 06:51:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154583589167.9603.2779834600839252509@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 06:51:31 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-28.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 14:51:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for IS-IS protocol Authors : Stephane Litkowski Derek Yeung Acee Lindem Jeffrey Zhang Ladislav Lhotka Filename : draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-28.txt Pages : 115 Date : 2018-12-26 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage IS-IS protocol on network elements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-28 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-28 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-28 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Dec 27 00:51:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CB8128D0C; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 00:51:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154590069447.12013.16066186576714532529@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 00:51:34 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-29.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:51:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for IS-IS protocol Authors : Stephane Litkowski Derek Yeung Acee Lindem Jeffrey Zhang Ladislav Lhotka Filename : draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-29.txt Pages : 115 Date : 2018-12-27 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage IS-IS protocol on network elements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-29 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-29 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-29 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Dec 30 13:25:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74B6130FA9; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:25:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: lsr-chairs@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154620512071.7160.13568898857561350899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:25:20 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] lsr - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 21:25:21 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Acee Lindem, a Chair of the lsr working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Link State Routing Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Acee Lindem Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: idr lsvr rtgwg bess Second Priority: rift bier Third Priority: mpls netconf People who must be present: Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Alvaro Retana Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Dec 31 10:21:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1A51271FF; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AM0PR07MB4100; H:AM0PR07MB5506.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:0; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: btconnect.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: f4ki1MuRmHiKfKO8qUT7/OShjvwPCoINb2iw/zQuBsyRkkrv2QfCrIJyhuTmift9hZbxEO1OwNLYNfDp9I0PmTZznqZdvEFk3UAq/1qNRv+yBaBdjh3s0TmNUyeX6ki7lY6PtrUrrXw2d8o2IMRUY114QEEYF2Lb3ZrYAED2DjluCOEpdEK/rSgco66rmtA6QplU4Hq9oLwGuy+cJYX7fC5Yk8Q/EAwuva95IqJQoy7/tD+69oztLnAIJDINwAnObx6yI4aPHyzY93dwnCbA1ml4hoDHARd9lfSxVIs98CwO0vLKuVo28ra7MaafTvcd spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <8BE1F67594253040A01C06DDC539C9CB@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e67e807c-01f9-4eea-378f-08d66f4cd2a0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 Dec 2018 18:21:46.5791 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0PR07MB4100 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-24 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 18:21:55 -0000 Stephane A new and different comment. grouping neighbor-gmpls-extensions { has a text reference to RFC5307 which does not appear in the references for the I-D. However, before adding it, I would like to know why it is a good reference for switching capabilities (which is part of this grouping). I think that the reference for switching capabilities should be RFC7074 (which this I-D does not currently reference and should IMO). And that begs the question, why is switching-capability an unrestricted uint8 when only 12 values are valid and three are deprecated? So why not use draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types? I have a number of additional comments on cfg-29 but this is the one that may take some discussion. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: Hi Tom, Thanks for your comments. I will fix them asap. Regarding: " Line length is within the RFC limit but the effect is to spread many of the description clauses over multiple lines with indentation of 56 characters, not user friendly e.g. description "List of max LSP bandwidths for different priorities."; " What's your suggestion on this one ? Brgds, -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:11 To: Ebben Aries; yang-doctors@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg.all@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Tarek Saad (tsaad) Subject: Re: [Lsr] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-24 Some quirks in-25 I see lots of YANG reference statements - good - but no mention of them in the I-D references - not so good. My list is 5130 5305 5306 5880 5881 6119 6232 7794 7810 7917 8405 Also perhaps OLD reference "RFC XXXX - YANG Data Model for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD).Please replace YYYY with published RFC number for draft-ietf-bfd-yang."; NEW reference "RFC YYYY - YANG Data Model for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD). -- Note to RFC Editor Please replace YYYY with published RFC number for draft-ietf-bfd-yang."; OLD reference "draft-ietf-bfd-yang-xx.txt: YANG Data Model for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD)"; NEW reference "RFC YYYY - YANG Data Model for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD). -- Note to RFC Editor Please replace YYYY with published RFC number for draft-ietf-bfd-yang."; Line length is within the RFC limit but the effect is to spread many of the description clauses over multiple lines with indentation of 56 characters, not user friendly e.g. description "List of max LSP bandwidths for different priorities."; Acknowledgements is TBD. I note that the editor list of the YANG module is somewhat longer than the editor list of the I-D. I note that the augmentation of interfaces seems to have no conditional and so will augment all interfaces. I think that this is a generic issue but do not see it being addressed anywhere. In a similar vein, you are defining MPLS objects and I am unclear whether or not those should be conditional, or part of the MPLS YANG modules or both (copying Tarek for this) Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ebben Aries" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 12:45 AM > Reviewer: Ebben Aries > Review result: On the Right Track > > 1 module in this draft: > - ietf-isis@2018-08-09.yang > > No YANG compiler errors or warnings (from pyang 1.7.5 and yanglint 0.16.54) > > "ietf-isis@2018-08-09" module is compatible with the NMDA architecture. > > Module ietf-isis@2018-08-09.yang: > - Both the description and the draft name reference that this module is > specific to configuration but contains operational state nodes in addition > to RPCs and notifications. Any wording suggesting this is only > configuration should be changed > - Module description must contain most recent copyright notice per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-3.1 > - Module description reads "common across all of the vendor implementations". > I don't think this needs to be called out as such as that is the overall > intention of *all* IETF models > - This module contains '22' features (and the respective OSPF module currently > contains '26'). While it is understood the purpose of these features in the > module, take precaution as to complexity for clients if they need to > understand >=3D quantity of features per module in use on a > network-element. We are going to end up w/ feature explosion to convey > *all* possible features of each network-element leading to divergence back > towards native models at the end of the day. A large amount of these > feature names could be defined within a more global namespace (e.g. nsr) but > this gives us a granular yet cumbersome approach (e.g. feature isis:nsr, > ospf:nsr, etc..) > - RPC 'clear-adjacency' does not have any input leaf that covers clearing a > specific neighbor/adjacency (See comments below as well regarding RPC > alignment w/ the OSPF model) > - RPC 'clear-adjacency' has an input node of 'interface' however this is just > a string type. Is there any reason this is not a leafref/if:interface-ref > (much like in the OSPF model) > - Child nodes within a container or list SHOULD NOT replicate the parent > identifier per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-4.3. 1. > > A case in point is the list /afs/af that has a leaf of 'af' > > > ipv4 > true > > > > Not only is this replication, but we should likely not abbreviate 'afs' if > we are using the expanded 'address-family' in other IETF models such as > ietf-i2rs-rib > > > General comments on the draft + nits: > - Since YANG tree diagrams are used, please include an informative reference > per https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-3.4 > - Section 1.1 does not need to exist since this would be covered by the > reference mentioned above > - Reference to NMDA compliance should be contained within Section 1 (vs. > Section 2) per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-3.5 > - Section 2: It seems reference should be given to the location of where the > ietf-routing module is defined (As well as reference to NMDA RFC in the > above reference) > - Section 2.1: "Additional modules may be created this to support..." needs > slight rewording adjustment > - Section 3: The RPC operations are named 'clear-adjacency' and > 'clear-database' rather w/ reliance off namespacing for uniqueness. This > section refers to 'clear-isis-database' and 'clear-isis-adjacency' > - Section 4: Notification name mismatch in this section from actual naming > within the module (e.g. 'adjacency-change' should rather be > 'adjacency-state-change') > - Section 7: Security Considerations will need updating to be patterned after > the latest version of the template at > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-3.7 > - Section 12: All modules imported within this module MUST be referenced > within this section per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-3.9. > There are quite a few missing from this section right now > - Appendix A: Some of the XML elements are off in alignment > - Appendix A: Examples must be validated. The example given has the following > issues: > - /routing[name=3D'SLI'] and /routing/description are invalid data nodes and > do not exist. I'm not sure why they are in the XML example here > - The example is meant to reference configuration however > /routing/interfaces is a r/o container > - The control-plane-protocol 'type' needs to be qualified - e.g. > isis:isis > - The area-address does not validate against the pattern regex and must end > with a '.' e.g. > 49.0001.0000. > - metric-type/value is set to 'wide' which is invalid. This should rather > be 'wide-only' > - isis/afs/af/af is set to 'ipv4-unicast' which is invalid. This should > rather be 'ipv4' per iana-routing-types > - /interfaces/interface/type must be populated and is invalid. This should > rather be qualified as such: > ianaift:softwar eLoopback > ianaift:etherne tCsmacd > - /interfaces/interface/link-up-down-trap-enable must have a value > associated as such: > enabled > - NP container 'priority' has a must statement checking if an interface-type > is set to 'broadcast' however if you take the XML example from this > section, it will fail to validate even if is not defined > underneath an interface-type of 'point-to-point'. It seems to me that > this logic may need to be readjusted or not exist at all (priority can > still be set on implementations on loopback interfaces - which would > default to 'broadcast' in the example here). Could you not solve this > with use of 'when' vs. 'must' as such: > > when '../interface-type =3D "broadcast"' { > description "Priority can only be set for broadcast interfaces."; > } > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-4.18 .2. > > - /interfaces/interface/ipv4/mtu must contain a valid value (and likely not > need to be defined for Loopback0) > - 'isis/mpls-te/ipv4-router-id' is invalid and should rather be > 'isis/mpls/te-rid/ipv4-router-id' > - 'isis/afs/af/enabled' is invalid and should rather be 'isis/afs/af/enable' > - Examples should use IPv6 addresses where appropriate per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-20#section-3.12 ________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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