From nobody Wed Mar 7 06:31:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EA0124207 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:31:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jvknet-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7BTPviDYIwzv for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x235.google.com (mail-ot0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 393DC127522 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x235.google.com with SMTP id t2so2206231otj.4 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 06:31:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jvknet-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AHYJLYrC+vzjSaH6KtGaJVFnGCc6zt+xGSBbKT4Nv0k=; b=YEIS8ObyJWFy7E2kyT2v+4+GYGr0Sadk33mi38YA2oCoTl1lDns3Z/qbb9VB1bVe83 O1Yxcf9pP34+FcUpCs3SBUGdDySLO1jBrvnG4TmdoNlry5wg7O0Y8QsnEpsvvOFKUhQC UZ/EhciI50W1qbgDYOvS7rmh/W3kCLiqTnmulLdbNttnfWiOHCNQ7Ddoeb2BDAZRTszN rCNmTCFJgXpzofSIs5mmFGAsze6P4gfllkUx+AzCn1wxnDTQiIJIm0KNRvUn0snJp/l1 FCup4ySSzAYLhvnsKY+XgXsjZYoUxZmgu6YZItPdE4O+jWswkneXZec2Iv1Fvf+3IG8N zb/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AHYJLYrC+vzjSaH6KtGaJVFnGCc6zt+xGSBbKT4Nv0k=; b=ZshHWv1/9D8OMljdsID4kv8gR5TO3WcZAxXIUmxMc99V186Nq6viJLalcZfSF96HS0 kmtC97LJBY0D5+JrIJOzs2z9n0mD3DaxEh2jKs9m42YxEizS0HHp5HsHA8ij1wvpboko aL61yj2vywZ9jf0qRByXf4b0wyOo8Ib73SKqVLtwb7/nRUKopJoLNSSlvvJ1kHaTmcbd L6howuCWbXiM3D9PIOxJ8mv9wX21ejjR1bLJJ7AZESUYhxsM+zoJ5HebABHnG80E89of Dzzk5LT+bL7xEEdvmRQRWNbdcmNhXnUtz76NTTclhiTqfKOkYIr7FTYpFvZ0Ar1PJkl4 DLvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7F3xjHFv0Dx4H23glk3xv0YoyngQFsakY3GUvrrEw0urPSqs4SQ c8m4eLJEeyAcGbe2IlgAeJEC8eJmQ3BFfFmkAWmrxeaY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELs82Stki6+6qyx1ZeBZrxKIcScSfj8jPpzJu6pp+8k5JseIHVkvwE7HIPC6h5C4mbkW8cFsn9u/69vOGCTgIYM= X-Received: by 10.157.53.1 with SMTP id o1mr16046466otc.140.1520433072076; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 06:31:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.68.48 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:31:11 -0800 (PST) From: Victor Kuarsingh Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 09:31:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: lsvr@ietf.org Cc: Alvaro Retana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] LSVR IETF Meeting Preparation, Participation and Welcome X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:31:20 -0000 Hi All, We are meeting for the first time as LSVR working group during IETF101. To have an effective LSVR meeting, can we ask you to read the LSVR WG charter to help all in the group to get a level set on what our goals and deliverables are. The LSVR charter can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/lsvr/about/ Additionally, may we ask you to have a detailed look at the first set of documents targeted to address key deliverables within the LSVR charter. The intent is that during the IETF101 LSVR WG meeting these documents will be discussed in great detail, and your feedback and experience is appreciated either on-list and during the IETF101 LSVR WG session: 1) Usage and Applicability of Link State Vector Routing in Data Centers (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-keyupate-lsvr-applicability/) 2) Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf/) We all know that a good preparation is the best method to achieve the ambitious goals the IESG has set for the Working Group. We also understand how busy most of you are as we approach the IETF meeting and we appreciate you thoughtfulness in helping us have a successful first meeting. We are looking forward see you all at LSVR@IETF101 in London. 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boundary="_000_AM5PR0701MB2836C07564FFBDEB09A1D062E0DF0AM5PR0701MB2836_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: daf2e665-9fea-4b1c-b102-08d584cbe390 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Mar 2018 08:09:17.2770 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2307 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] IETF101 LSVR draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 08:09:22 -0000 --_000_AM5PR0701MB2836C07564FFBDEB09A1D062E0DF0AM5PR0701MB2836_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, You can find the draft agenda for the first LSVR WG meeting at IETF101 at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-lsvr Please be inspired to read and provide feedback on the list on the followin= g agenda documents: * Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol (draft-keyupate-lsv= r-bgp-spf-00) (Keyur) (40 min) * Usage and Applicability of Link State Vector Routing in Data Centers = (draft-keyupate-lsvr-applicability-00) Kind Regards, G/ --_000_AM5PR0701MB2836C07564FFBDEB09A1D062E0DF0AM5PR0701MB2836_ Content-Type: text/html; 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Hi All,

 

You can find the draft agenda for the first LSVR WG = meeting at IETF101 at

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materia= ls/agenda-101-lsvr

 

Please be inspired to read and provide feedback on t= he list on the following agenda documents:

  • Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol (draft-keyupate-lsv= r-bgp-spf-00) (Keyur) (40 min)
  • Usage and Applicability= of Link State Vector Routing in Data Centers (draft-keyupate-lsvr-applicab= ility-00)

 

Kind Regards,

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Do you actually see MSDC designs with route servers / controllers in the first place? thanks, -Arthi --0000000000008b3c020567c4c7a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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([2001:67c:370:128:f097:5174:8953:6aa5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y30sm494052wrd.83.2018.03.19.09.09.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-CC7665E5-6686-4A06-84F8-A6DE7DE2A678 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D100) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:09:42 +0000 Cc: lsvr@ietf.org, keyur@arrcus.com, acee@cisco.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0A524315-65AF-40BA-9827-279AC8914B64@gmail.com> References: To: Arthi Ayyangar Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Questions on draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00.txt X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:09:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail-CC7665E5-6686-4A06-84F8-A6DE7DE2A678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arthi, As for #2 - I believe Acee clarified, LFA in CLOS is not needed, local fast-= rehash is the de facto technology used. Regards, Jeff > On Mar 19, 2018, at 14:29, Arthi Ayyangar wrote: >=20 > Hi=20 >=20 > Some questions for the authors: >=20 > 1) Wrt convergence=20 >=20 > At what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence benefits?People ha= ve deployed very large ECMP networks without any of these enhancements; so w= hat problem would be the biggest motivation to adopt this extension esp wrt S= PF? >=20 > 2) Wrt other benefits / drivers listed -=20 > Why do we think FRR and LFA are even relevant in dense ECMP / CLOS network= s? >=20 > 3) In an EBGP design and with no route servers / controllers I assume this= cannot be used? Do you actually see MSDC designs with route servers / contr= ollers in the first place? >=20 > thanks, > -Arthi > _______________________________________________ > Lsvr mailing list > Lsvr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr --Apple-Mail-CC7665E5-6686-4A06-84F8-A6DE7DE2A678 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arthi,

As for #2 - I bel= ieve Acee clarified, LFA in CLOS is not needed, local fast-rehash is the de f= acto technology used.

Regards,
Jef= f

On Mar 19, 2018, at 14:29, Arthi Ayyangar <arthi@arista.com> wrote:

Hi 

Some questions for the authors:

1) Wrt conver= gence 

At what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence be= nefits?People have deployed very large ECMP n= etworks without any of these enhancements; so what problem would be the bigg= est motivation to adopt this extension esp wrt SPF?

2) Wrt othe= r benefits / drivers listed - 

3) In an EBGP design and with no route= servers / controllers I assume this cannot be used? Do you actually see MSD= C designs with route servers / controllers in the first place?

thanks,
-Arthi
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(sorry I had typed this up before the second draft discussion started). So maybe worth cleaning it up from the draft? Also because it is reference in the context of fast convergence on link failures; which may take away from the other more relevant convergence discussion in the rest of the draft. thanks, Arthi Regards, > Jeff > > On Mar 19, 2018, at 14:29, Arthi Ayyangar wrote: > > Hi > > Some questions for the authors: > > 1) Wrt convergence > > At what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence benefits?People > have deployed very large ECMP networks without any of these enhancements; > so what problem would be the biggest motivation to adopt this extension esp > wrt SPF? > > 2) Wrt other benefits / drivers listed - > Why do we think FRR and LFA are even relevant in dense ECMP / CLOS > networks? > > 3) In an EBGP design and with no route servers / controllers I assume this > cannot be used? Do you actually see MSDC designs with route servers / > controllers in the first place? > > thanks, > -Arthi > > _______________________________________________ > Lsvr mailing list > Lsvr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr > > --000000000000b2e4660567c6a38b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


As for #2 - I bel= ieve Acee clarified, LFA in CLOS is not needed, local fast-rehash is the de= facto technology used.

Cor= rect. (sorry I had typed this up before the second draft discussion started= ).
So maybe worth cleaning it up from the draft?=C2=A0 Also becau= se it is reference in the context of fast convergence on link failures; whi= ch may take away from the other more relevant convergence discussion in the= rest of the draft.

thanks,
Arthi
<= div>


=
Regards,
Jeff

On Mar 19, 20= 18, at 14:29, Arthi Ayyangar <arthi@arista.com> wrote:

Hi=C2=A0

Some= questions for the authors:

1) Wrt convergence=C2= =A0

At what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence bene= fits?People have deployed very large ECMP = networks without any of these enhancements; so what problem would be the bi= ggest motivation to adopt this extension esp wrt SPF?

2) Wr= t other benefits / drivers listed -=C2=A0
Why do we think FRR and LFA are even relevant in dense ECMP / CLO= S networks?

3) In an EBGP design and w= ith no route servers / controllers I assume this cannot be used? Do you act= ually see MSDC designs with route=C2=A0servers / controllers in the first p= lace?
<= br>
thanks,=
-Arthi
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--000000000000b2e4660567c6a38b-- From nobody Tue Mar 20 06:33:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D57124B17 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ROdrbMIT3S9F for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-f72.google.com (mail-it0-f72.google.com [209.85.214.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB5EB12751F for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-f72.google.com with SMTP id 12-v6so1569948itv.9 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=IK268RrqspHiqLy0dtDLawsxbiYpAOr+3yJvGdUld5Y=; b=navV+cKI5cLWMahYGZpUjElCnlGOHegJrxYRQ1OIQDLi7vJRT6IfKgzePqO3f1XAM1 1mS9gRiuV1wTV0ECxx5bBaeN1kAJtiECfGa8OVAiqewGV0fDaLIptXkmtaHh0Qigkma4 MKAB4bRTHiKRBCB8u0UePkVsu+QgnGolxjlaXwJ9CCChyh6+OlgwE/LmLv64T6QeWjT4 J1Ku7S7h17ZKO0jZd0wkjy1uHhC+ddQ2NN2kPZJdNyXeoPJKpNCXz6lUi8AwG3uT7ZWh vmziU79kwSF7lgNh9bpiLdIfqs722clNbuuNAn5KFAtlVXUGaG7jUpnqHgsqnax8NJAh 3Pgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7H/MqC2GhlEYUo4jvwxpChNMNdD7fEsNWUqKP6QXsS91EVd5GqM ZJAiGAm0uqGhOaIMzbEa9lT5ZkwbBIaT7jK6Apch05DjDJFI0QfL X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvZ+kRuPAJEwFJip4ArtF5G3RX2b0ysX9zb23BZv5kdRq5ug71Ns10SXODjh3gKsJglYKimKaJTpNu9WlGUDltVCUWuEfdRiA== X-Received: by 10.107.6.12 with SMTP id 12mr7389800iog.111.1521552807057; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:1d05:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:29:01 +0000 Message-ID: From: Arthi Ayyangar To: lsvr@ietf.org, keyur@arrcus.com, acee@cisco.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f644a7c09b60567c4c7ef" Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] Questions on draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00.txt X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:33:29 -0000 --f403045f644a7c09b60567c4c7ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Some questions for the authors: 1) Wrt convergence At what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence benefits?People have deployed very large ECMP networks without any of these enhancements; so what problem would be the biggest motivation to adopt this extension esp wrt SPF? 2) Wrt other benefits / drivers listed - Why do we think FRR and LFA are even relevant in dense ECMP / CLOS networks? 3) In an EBGP design and with no route servers / controllers I assume this cannot be used? Do you actually see MSDC designs with route servers / controllers in the first place? thanks, -Arthi --f403045f644a7c09b60567c4c7ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0

Some questions for = the authors:

1) Wrt convergence=C2=A0

At = what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence benefits?People have deployed very large ECMP networks without a= ny of these enhancements; so what problem would be the biggest motivation t= o adopt this extension esp wrt SPF?

2) Wrt other benefits /= drivers listed -=C2=A0
Why do w= e think FRR and LFA are even relevant in dense ECMP / CLOS networks?=

3) In an EBGP design and with no route serve= rs / controllers I assume this cannot be used? Do you actually see MSDC des= igns with route=C2=A0servers / controllers in the first place?

thanks,
= -Arthi
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As for #2 - I bel= ieve Acee clarified, LFA in CLOS is not needed, local fast-rehash is the de= facto technology used.

Cor= rect. (sorry I had typed this up before the second draft discussion started= ).
So maybe worth cleaning it up from the draft?=C2=A0 Also becau= se it is reference in the context of fast convergence on link failures; whi= ch may take away from the other more relevant convergence discussion in the= rest of the draft.

thanks,
Arthi
<= div>


=
Regards,
Jeff

On Mar 19, 20= 18, at 14:29, Arthi Ayyangar <arthi@arista.com> wrote:

Hi=C2=A0

Some= questions for the authors:

1) Wrt convergence=C2= =A0

At what threshold of ECMP are the perceived convergence bene= fits?People have deployed very large ECMP = networks without any of these enhancements; so what problem would be the bi= ggest motivation to adopt this extension esp wrt SPF?

2) Wr= t other benefits / drivers listed -=C2=A0
Why do we think FRR and LFA are even relevant in dense ECMP / CLO= S networks?

3) In an EBGP design and w= ith no route servers / controllers I assume this cannot be used? Do you act= ually see MSDC designs with route=C2=A0servers / controllers in the first p= lace?
<= br>
thanks,=
-Arthi
_______= ________________________________________
Lsvr mailing = list
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Please make note of the following: (1). For LSVR Applicability Document - https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-keyupate-lsvr-applicability-00.txt - New version of document expected by April 14th - The Chairs will be looking for reviews following the -01 document release - The group will look for adoption call following new version release and comment (2) For LSVR BGP SPF Specification Document - https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-keyupate-lsvr-bgp-spf-00.txt - We are looking for further document review from LSVR participants - Volunteers who are willing to conduct detailed review wanted - We will look for adoption call following next round of feedback Given the current milestones within our charter, we will be looking to progress this work at an expeditious pace. regards, Gunter and Victor Co-Chairs From nobody Mon Mar 26 12:32:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6899D1276AF for ; Mon, 26 Mar 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[Lsvr] IETF101 LSVR Meeting minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 08:13:35 -0000 --_000_AM5PR0701MB28366F8551BAE0D01162766EE0A30AM5PR0701MB2836_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Nabeel Cocker was kind volunteer to take the lead in LSVR WG minute taking = @ IETF101. Many thanks to Nabeel. The chairs cleaned up the raw minutes and posted the latest version at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/minutes-101-lsvr-00 If any facts of alternate truth or accidental mistakes, then please relay t= o the LSVR co-chairs and we'll correct the situation. Kind Regards, G/ --_000_AM5PR0701MB28366F8551BAE0D01162766EE0A30AM5PR0701MB2836_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

 

Nabeel Cocker was kind volunteer to take the lead in= LSVR WG minute taking @ IETF101. Many thanks to Nabeel.

 

The chairs cleaned up the raw minutes and posted the= latest version at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/mat= erials/minutes-101-lsvr-00

 

If any facts of alternate truth or accidental mistak= es, then please relay to the LSVR co-chairs and we’ll correct the sit= uation.

 

Kind Regards,

G/

 

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