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Hi All,

We had a discussion at the LSVR Interim meeting this week that the =
chairs asked to be sent to the list for full communication.=20

During the LSOE requirements discussion, we discussed the behavior of =
other protocols and how they interact with switches (frames forwarded =
through switch or not). The request was that the switch behavior be =
deterministic with respect to LSOE frames and that we should state what =
that is. The recommendation was that LSOE frames be forwarded through =
the switch.=20

Cheers,

Jacob



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A couple of comments on addressing...

I believe in these networks, we won't be having very large L2 domains and
most links are point-to-point L3 links to build the Clos.  So, using a
multicast address that passes through a bridge should not have a big issue
with scaling.   If the L2 domain is large, then clearly passing through a
bridge might be an issue.

In 802.1Q, there are addresses defined that do NOT pass through bridges and
some that will pass through certain types of bridges (S-VLAN bridges,
Two-port MAC relay (TPMR) - something like a fiber to twisted pair
converters).  These different addresses are used by LLDP and security
protocols, for example, to achieve different 'reach' for the messages
across the L2 network.  These are documented in tables 8-1, 8-2, 8-3 of
802.1Q as follows:

Table 8-1 C-VLAN and MAC Bridge component Reserved addresses

Assignment                                                      Value
Bridge Group Address, Nearest Customer Bridge group address
 01-80-C2-00-00-00
IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address
 01-80-C2-00-00-01
IEEE 802.3 Slow_Protocols_Multicast address
 01-80-C2-00-00-02
Nearest non-TPMR Bridge group address
 01-80-C2-00-00-03
IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address
 01-80-C2-00-00-04
Reserved for future standardization
 01-80-C2-00-00-05
Reserved for future standardization
 01-80-C2-00-00-06
MEF Forum ELMI protocol group address
 01-80-C2-00-00-07
Provider Bridge Group Address
 01-80-C2-00-00-08
Reserved for future standardization
 01-80-C2-00-00-09
Reserved for future standardization
 01-80-C2-00-00-0A
EDE-SS PEP Address (IEEE Std 802.1AEcg)
 01-80-C2-00-00-0B
Reserved for future standardization
 01-80-C2-00-00-0C
Provider Bridge MVRP Address
01-80-C2-00-00-0D
Individual LAN Scope group address Nearest Bridge group address
01-80-C2-00-00-0E
Reserved for future standardization
 01-80-C2-00-00-0F

Table 8-2 S-VLAN component Reserved addresses

Assignment                                                      Value
IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address
01-80-C2-00-00-01
IEEE 802.3 Slow_Protocols_Multicast address
01-80-C2-00-00-02
Nearest non-TPMR Bridge group address
01-80-C2-00-00-03
IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address
01-80-C2-00-00-04
Reserved for future standardization
01-80-C2-00-00-05
Reserved for future standardization
01-80-C2-00-00-06
MEF Forum ELMI protocol group address
01-80-C2-00-00-07
Provider Bridge Group Address
01-80-C2-00-00-08
Reserved for future standardization
01-80-C2-00-00-09
Reserved for future standardization
01-80-C2-00-00-0A
Individual LAN Scope group address Nearest Bridge group address
01-80-C2-00-00-0E

Table 8-3=E2=80=94TPMR component Reserved addresses

Assignment                                                      Value
IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address
01-80-C2-00-00-01
IEEE 802.3 Slow_Protocols_Multicast address
01-80-C2-00-00-02
IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address
01-80-C2-00-00-04
Individual LAN Scope group address Nearest Bridge group address
01-80-C2-00-00-0E

You can see that in some devices, the reserved address is simply NOT
defined, thus it will pass through those types of devices.
I think in short, LSOE just needs to avoid 01-80-C2-00-00-0X addresses in
order to assure message pass through L2 switches.

In 802 Overview and Architecture - section 9.2, there is a definition of
using Ethertypes for prototype and vendor specific protocol development.
Perhaps early development of LSOE should consider this approach.  I suspect
you will ultimately want to allocate your own EtherType for LSOE, but you
could easily define the L2 header using the IETF vendor OUI as well.  Just
a though.  If you would like more details, let me know - otherwise the info
is available in Std 802-2014 which can be freely download.

Regards,
Paul






On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:15 AM Jacob Uecker <juecker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We had a discussion at the LSVR Interim meeting this week that the chairs
> asked to be sent to the list for full communication.
>
> During the LSOE requirements discussion, we discussed the behavior of
> other protocols and how they interact with switches (frames forwarded
> through switch or not). The request was that the switch behavior be
> deterministic with respect to LSOE frames and that we should state what
> that is. The recommendation was that LSOE frames be forwarded through the
> switch.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A001-80-C2-00-00-0B</font></div><div=
><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">Reserved for future standardization=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A001-80-C2-00-00-0C</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"monospace, monospace">Provider Bridge MVRP Address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 01-80-C2-00-00-0D</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"monospace, monospace">Individual LAN Scope group address Nearest Bridge=
 group address 01-80-C2-00-00-0E</font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, =
monospace">Reserved for future standardization=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A001-80-C2-00-00-0F</font></div></div><div><br></div><div><div><font face=
=3D"monospace, monospace">Table 8-2 S-VLAN component Reserved addresses</fo=
nt></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><fo=
nt face=3D"monospace, monospace">Assignment=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Valu=
e</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">IEEE MAC-specific Co=
ntrol Protocols group address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-0=
0-00-01</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">IEEE 802.3 Slo=
w_Protocols_Multicast address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,=
monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-02</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, mono=
space">Nearest non-TPMR Bridge group address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-03</span></div=
><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">IEEE MAC-specific Control Protoco=
ls group address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</fo=
nt><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-04</span>=
</div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">Reserved for future standard=
ization=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:mon=
ospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-05</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospac=
e, monospace">Reserved for future standardization=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00=
-06</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">MEF Forum ELMI pro=
tocol group address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:=
monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-07</span></div><div><font face=3D"monos=
pace, monospace">Provider Bridge Group Address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospa=
ce">01-80-C2-00-00-08</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">=
Reserved for future standardization=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-09</span></div=
><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">Reserved for future standardizati=
on=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,=
monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-0A</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, mono=
space">Individual LAN Scope group address=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:monospace,monospace">Nearest Bridge group address=C2=A0</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-0E</span></div></di=
v><div><br></div><div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">Table 8-3=E2=
=80=94TPMR component Reserved addresses</font></div><div><font face=3D"mono=
space, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace"=
>Assignment=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</font><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Value</span></div><div><font face=3D"=
monospace, monospace">IEEE MAC-specific Control Protocols group address=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-01</span></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"monospace, monospace">IEEE 802.3 Slow_Protocols_Multicast address=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</=
font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-02</spa=
n></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">IEEE MAC-specific Control =
Protocols group address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">01-80-C2-00-00-04=
</span></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">Individual LAN Scope =
group address=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">N=
earest Bridge group address=C2=A0</span><font face=3D"monospace, monospace"=
>01-80-C2-00-00-0</font>E</div></div><div><br></div><div>You can see that i=
n some devices, the reserved address is simply NOT defined, thus it will pa=
ss through those types of devices.</div><div>I think in short, LSOE just ne=
eds to avoid 01-80-C2-00-00-0X addresses in order to assure message pass th=
rough L2 switches.</div><div><br></div><div>In 802 Overview and Architectur=
e - section 9.2, there is a definition of using Ethertypes for prototype an=
d vendor specific protocol development.=C2=A0 Perhaps early development of =
LSOE should consider this approach.=C2=A0 I suspect you will ultimately wan=
t to allocate your own EtherType for LSOE, but you could easily define the =
L2 header using the IETF vendor OUI as well.=C2=A0 Just a though.=C2=A0 If =
you would like more details, let me know - otherwise the info is available =
in Std 802-2014 which can be freely download.</div><div><br></div><div>Rega=
rds,<br>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:15 AM Jacob Uecker &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:juecker.ietf@gmail.com">juecker.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi All,<br>
<br>
We had a discussion at the LSVR Interim meeting this week that the chairs a=
sked to be sent to the list for full communication. <br>
<br>
During the LSOE requirements discussion, we discussed the behavior of other=
 protocols and how they interact with switches (frames forwarded through sw=
itch or not). The request was that the switch behavior be deterministic wit=
h respect to LSOE frames and that we should state what that is. The recomme=
ndation was that LSOE frames be forwarded through the switch. <br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jacob<br>
<br>
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The LSVR (link-state-vector-routing) WG will be meeting on Thursday, Novemb=
er 8th, 2018 from 13:50 to 15:50 AM.

Please send us (lsrv-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:lsrv-chairs@ietf.org>) any requ=
ests for presentation slots.

Thanks,
Gunter & Victor

PS: The IETF 103 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will =
be published on Friday, October 12, 2018.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.html
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.txt

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">The LSVR (link-stat=
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The LSVR (link-state-vector-routing) WG will be meeting on Thursday, Novemb=
er 8th, 2018 from 13:50 to 15:50 AM.

Please send us (lsvr-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:lsvr-chairs@ietf.org>) any requ=
ests for presentation slots.

Thanks,
Gunter & Victor

PS: The IETF 103 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will =
be published on Friday, October 12, 2018.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.html
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.txt

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">The LSVR (link-stat=
e-vector-routing) WG will be meeting on Thursday, November 8th, 2018 from 1=
3:50 to 15:50 AM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">Gunter &amp; Victor=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">PS: </span>The IETF=
 103 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will be published=
 on Friday, October 12, 2018.
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FYI...

On October 5, 2018 at 2:04:10 PM, Paul Congdon (paul.congdon@tallac.com)
wrote:


In November 2018, the IEEE 802 and IETF are meeting on consecutive weeks at
the same hotel in Bangkok, Thailand. This fortuitous schedule allows a
unique opportunity to assemble key technologists from both organizations to
discuss and explore new and developing standardization activities for the
Data Center environment. The IEEE 802/IETF Data Center Workshop of 10
November 2018 is intended to act as a catalyst for future collaboration
between the two organizations with respect to Data Center technologies,
with an emphasis on congestion management, load-balancing, routing, and
simplified management.

The workshop is scheduled for Saturday 10 November from 13:30 =E2=80=93 17:=
30 at
the Bangkok Marriott Marquis Queen=E2=80=99s Park. There is no cost to atte=
nd, but
registration is required.

Registration and agenda details are available here:
https://1.ieee802.org/802-nendica/802-ietf-workshop-data-center-bangkok/

Thanks,
Paul Congdon

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<div>In November 2018, the IEEE 802 and IETF are meeting on
consecutive weeks at the same hotel in Bangkok, Thailand. This
fortuitous schedule allows a unique opportunity to assemble key
technologists from both organizations to discuss and explore new
and developing standardization activities for the Data Center
environment. The IEEE 802/IETF Data Center Workshop of 10 November
2018 is intended to act as a catalyst for future collaboration
between the two organizations with respect to Data Center
technologies, with an emphasis on congestion management,
load-balancing, routing, and simplified management.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The workshop is scheduled for Saturday 10 November from 13:30
=E2=80=93 17:30 at the Bangkok Marriott Marquis Queen=E2=80=99s Park. There=
 is no
cost to attend, but registration is required.=C2=A0</div>
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<div>Registration and agenda details are available here: <a href=3D"https:/=
/1.ieee802.org/802-nendica/802-ietf-workshop-data-center-bangkok/">
https://1.ieee802.org/802-nendica/802-ietf-workshop-data-center-bangkok/</a=
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Paul Congdon<br></div>
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Dear Gunter Van de Velde,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 


    lsvr Session 1 (1:30 requested)
    Thursday, 8 November 2018, Afternoon Session I 1350-1550
    Room Name: Meeting 1 size: 150
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/sessions/lsvr.ics

Request Information:


---------------------------------------------------------
Working Group Name: Link State Vector Routing
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Gunter Van de Velde

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours
Number of Attendees: 100
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: idr lsr rtgwg rtgarea sidrops bess grow rift
 Second Priority: nvo3 spring
 Third Priority: bier


People who must be present:
  Gunter Van de Velde
  Alvaro Retana
  Victor Kuarsingh

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Usage and Applicability of Link State Vector Routing in Data Centers
        Authors         : Keyur Patel
                          Acee Lindem
                          Shawn Zandi
                          Gaurav Dawra
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-01.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   This document discusses the usage and applicability of Link State
   Vector Routing (LSVR) extensions in the CLOS architecture of Data
   Center Networks.  The document is intended to provide a simplified
   guide for the deployment of LSVR extensions.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-01
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-01

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-01


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Subject: Re: [Lsvr] IETF 103 LSVR Meeting Call for Agenda Items
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Our meeting is approaching soon.

Please find this reminder.

From: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia=
 - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 09:32
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Cc: victor@jvknet.com
Subject: [Lsvr] IETF 103 LSVR Meeting Call for Agenda Items

The LSVR (link-state-vector-routing) WG will be meeting on Thursday, Novemb=
er 8th, 2018 from 13:50 to 15:50 AM.

Please send us (lsvr-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:lsvr-chairs@ietf.org>) any requ=
ests for presentation slots.

Thanks,
Gunter & Victor

PS: The IETF 103 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will =
be published on Friday, October 12, 2018.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.html
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.txt

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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Lsvr &lt;lsvr-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 8, 2018 09:32<br>
<b>To:</b> lsvr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> victor@jvknet.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Lsvr] IETF 103 LSVR Meeting Call for Agenda Items<o:p></o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">The LSVR (link-stat=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">Please send us (<a =
href=3D"mailto:lsvr-chairs@ietf.org">lsvr-chairs@ietf.org</a>) any requests=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt">Gunter &amp; Victor=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">PS: </span>The IETF=
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Subject: [Lsvr] IETF103 LSVR Agenda is now posted
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Hi All,

The agenda of the IETF103 LSVR meeting is now posted

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-lsvr-04

Kind Regards,

Gunter & Victor
LSVR WG co-chairs

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