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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, The LSVR WG starts a working group last call for "draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-0= 3". Please send your comments to the list before Monday December 17. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf/ Authors, please reply indicating if you're aware of any relevant IPR. Thank= s. Brgds, Gunter & Victor LSVR WG co-chairs --_000_AM0PR07MB5137AE8CB4B84071523762B5E0AE0AM0PR07MB5137eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Hi All,
 
The LSVR WG starts a working group last call for “=
draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03”. Please =
send your comments to the list before Monday December 17.=

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr=
aft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf/
 
Authors, please reply indicating if you're aware of any relevan=
t IPR. Thanks.
 

Brgds,

Gunter & Victor

LSVR WG co-chairs

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December= 3 - December 17) and is the procedure follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adop= tion was recognized. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/ During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for = more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'. Please indicate the following things: 1) Support to adopt draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document? 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft? 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional content = and technical attention? 4) What is missing from this draft? The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR statement= s in response to this email. Kind Regards, Gunter & Victor LSVR WG co-chairs --_000_AM0PR07MB5137489883B42A07A325D735E0AE0AM0PR07MB5137eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,<= /span>

 

This begins a 2 wee= k WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December 3 – December= 17)

and is the procedur= e follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adoption was recognized= .   

 

https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/

 

During your discuss= ion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for more context as onl= y a 'yeh' or 'ney'.

 

Please indicate the= following things:

1) Support to adopt= draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LS= VR WG document?

2) Are there any te= chnical issues with this draft?

3) Which are curren= t pain-points in the draft requiring additional content and technical atten= tion?

4) What is missing = from this draft?

 

The authors (or any= body else) of this draft should send their IPR statements in response to th= is email. 

 

Kind Regards,<= /o:p>

Gunter & Victor=

LSVR WG co-chairs

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RR--1--A--1--B--1--C--1--D--1--E > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 | > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |-----5-----F--1--| >=20 > The letters represent routers (RR being the Route Reflector), and the=20 > numbers are link metrics. >=20 > Suppose BC goes down, and consider the following sequence of events: >=20 > 1. B tells RR (via path B-A-RR) that BC is down. are you doing some sort of multi-hop or underlay? if not, then A told RR that B told her that B-C was down. > 2. 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Comments on LSVR with RR peering X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:58:56 -0000 i think i see the disconnect >>> RR--1--A--1--B--1--C--1--D--1--E >>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 | >>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |-----5-----F--1--| >>> >>> The letters represent routers (RR being the Route Reflector), and the >>> numbers are link metrics. B, C, D, E, and F may not be clients of RR. 2.2 says you can use loopbacks. this does not imply that you can multi-hop peer a la ibgp. hence, 2.3 does not allow multi-hop. or i am still confused. randy From nobody Wed Dec 5 13:09:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B43130EF2 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 13:09:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.161 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhEdJduZ3Upc for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Comments on LSVR with RR peering X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:23:55 -0000 > Perhaps the authors can clarify what they meant by "BGP speakers peer=20 > solely with one or more ... controllers". >=20 > On 12/5/2018 3:58 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> i think i see the disconnect >> >>>>> RR--1--A--1--B--1--C--1--D--1--E >>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 | >>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |-----5-----F--1--| >>>>> >>>>> The letters represent routers (RR being the Route Reflector), and the >>>>> numbers are link metrics. >> B, C, D, E, and F may not be clients of RR. 2.2 says you can use >> loopbacks. this does not imply that you can multi-hop peer a la ibgp. >> hence, 2.3 does not allow multi-hop. >> >> or i am still confused. >> >> randy >=20 perhaps they thought "directly" in the section title of 2.2 would give us a clue 2.2. BGP Peering Between Directly Connected Network Nodes followed by =20 2.3. BGP Peering in Route-Reflector or Controller Topology In this model, BGP speakers peer solely with one or more Route Reflectors [RFC4456] or controllers. As in the previous model, direct connection discovery and liveliness detection for those connections are done outside the BGP protocol. =20 so would you have them clarify 2.3 with something such as as with non-spf bgp route reflection, clients are directly connected to the reflector(s) randy From nobody Wed Dec 5 17:02:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D69130E37 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:02:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t4sm31145160wrm.6.2018.12.06.02.20.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:20:00 -0800 (PST) To: Randy Bush , Eric Rosen Cc: "lsvr@ietf.org" References: <2384fdea-b8f9-ea6d-5287-83f39908fcb0@juniper.net> <378f54f4-8b92-3859-519b-3539f49b42d6@juniper.net> <5a1b19d9-de7a-3c0c-c7fe-0df559956d12@juniper.net> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 10:19:59 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Comments on LSVR with RR peering X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:20:05 -0000 On 05/12/2018 22:23, Randy Bush wrote: >> Perhaps the authors can clarify what they meant by "BGP speakers peer >> solely with one or more ... controllers". >> >> On 12/5/2018 3:58 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> i think i see the disconnect >>> >>>>>> RR--1--A--1--B--1--C--1--D--1--E >>>>>>              |                 | >>>>>>              |-----5-----F--1--| >>>>>> >>>>>> The letters represent routers (RR being the Route Reflector), and the >>>>>> numbers are link metrics. >>> B, C, D, E, and F may not be clients of RR. 2.2 says you can use >>> loopbacks. this does not imply that you can multi-hop peer a la ibgp. >>> hence, 2.3 does not allow multi-hop. >>> >>> or i am still confused. >>> >>> randy > perhaps they thought "directly" in the section title of 2.2 would give > us a clue > > 2.2. BGP Peering Between Directly Connected Network Nodes > > followed by > > 2.3. BGP Peering in Route-Reflector or Controller Topology > > In this model, BGP speakers peer solely with one or more Route > Reflectors [RFC4456] or controllers. As in the previous model, > direct connection discovery and liveliness detection for those > connections are done outside the BGP protocol. > > so would you have them clarify 2.3 with something such as > > as with non-spf bgp route reflection, clients are directly connected > to the reflector(s) > > randy Presumably in needs to be "directly connected via an alternate physical network." - Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > Lsvr mailing list > Lsvr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr From nobody Thu Dec 6 08:47:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E615130E11 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZhCnca83jd0R for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96CB812D7EA for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gUwoD-0001M0-N5; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:47:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:47:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Stewart Bryant Cc: Eric Rosen , "lsvr@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <2384fdea-b8f9-ea6d-5287-83f39908fcb0@juniper.net> <378f54f4-8b92-3859-519b-3539f49b42d6@juniper.net> <5a1b19d9-de7a-3c0c-c7fe-0df559956d12@juniper.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Comments on LSVR with RR peering X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:47:37 -0000 >>> Perhaps the authors can clarify what they meant by "BGP speakers peer >>> solely with one or more ... controllers". >>>=20 >>> On 12/5/2018 3:58 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>>> i think i see the disconnect >>>>=20 >>>>>>> RR--1--A--1--B--1--C--1--D--1--E >>>>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 | >>>>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |-----5-----F--1--| >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The letters represent routers (RR being the Route Reflector), and t= he >>>>>>> numbers are link metrics. >>>> B, C, D, E, and F may not be clients of RR. 2.2 says you can use >>>> loopbacks. this does not imply that you can multi-hop peer a la ibgp. >>>> hence, 2.3 does not allow multi-hop. >>>>=20 >>>> or i am still confused. >>>>=20 >>>> randy >> perhaps they thought "directly" in the section title of 2.2 would give >> us a clue >>=20 >> 2.2. BGP Peering Between Directly Connected Network Nodes >>=20 >> followed by >> 2.3. BGP Peering in Route-Reflector or Controller Topology >>=20 >> In this model, BGP speakers peer solely with one or more Route >> Reflectors [RFC4456] or controllers. As in the previous model, >> direct connection discovery and liveliness detection for those >> connections are done outside the BGP protocol. >>=20 >> so would you have them clarify 2.3 with something such as >>=20 >> as with non-spf bgp route reflection, clients are directly connected >> to the reflector(s) >>=20 >> randy >=20 > Presumably in needs to be "directly connected via an alternate > physical network." alternate to what, exactly? do not be fooled by the diagram above, which is not a route reflector cluster. randy From nobody Mon Dec 10 01:26:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B603130E61; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:26:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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G/ From: Lsvr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia= - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:24 To: lsvr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org; Victor Kuarsingh Subject: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 Dec= ember 2018) Hi All, This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December= 3 - December 17) and is the procedure follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adop= tion was recognized.. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/ During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for = more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'. Please indicate the following things: 1) Support to adopt draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document? 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft? 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional content = and technical attention? 4) What is missing from this draft? The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR statement= s in response to this email. Kind Regards, Gunter & Victor LSVR WG co-chairs --_000_AM0PR07MB5137C42546BEC5725920E82AE0A50AM0PR07MB5137eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Reminder …

 

G/

 

From: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:24
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org; Victor Kuarsingh <victor@jvkne= t.com>
Subject: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end= 17 December 2018)

 

Hi All,<= /span>

 

This begins a 2 wee= k WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December 3 – December= 17)

and is the procedur= e follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adoption was recognized= ..   

 

https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/

 

During your discuss= ion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for more context as onl= y a 'yeh' or 'ney'.

 

Please indicate the= following things:

1) Support to adopt= draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document?=

2) Are there any te= chnical issues with this draft?

3) Which are curren= t pain-points in the draft requiring additional content and technical atten= tion?

4) What is missing = from this draft?

 

The authors (or any= body else) of this draft should send their IPR statements in response to th= is email. 

 

Kind Regards,<= /o:p>

Gunter & Victor=

LSVR WG co-chairs

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[166.177.251.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 34sm16851536pgp.90.2018.12.10.09.08.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:08:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2B8C9978-7BFE-481D-949B-95A9802FC4B2 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Neeraj Malhotra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16B92) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:08:38 -0800 Cc: "lsvr@ietf.org" , "draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86962EEE-F48A-418D-9A51-C5F7A7B5CEFD@gmail.com> References: To: "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 December 2018) X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:08:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2B8C9978-7BFE-481D-949B-95A9802FC4B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Support.=20 This is a really important draft and plays a key role in simplifying neighbo= r discovery, eliminating operational complexities associated with legacy lin= k level learning protocols. Thanks, Neeraj > On Dec 10, 2018, at 1:26 AM, Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) wrote: >=20 > Reminder =E2=80=A6 > =20 > G/ > =20 > From: Lsvr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Noki= a - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:24 > To: lsvr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org; Victor Kuarsingh > Subject: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 De= cember 2018) > =20 > Hi All, > =20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (Decembe= r 3 =E2=80=93 December 17) > and is the procedure follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG ado= ption was recognized... =20 > =20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/ > =20 > During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for= more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'. > =20 > Please indicate the following things: > 1) Support to adopt draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document? > 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft? > 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional content= and technical attention? > 4) What is missing from this draft? > =20 > The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR statemen= ts in response to this email.=20 > =20 > Kind Regards, > Gunter & Victor > LSVR WG co-chairs > _______________________________________________ > Lsvr mailing list > Lsvr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr --Apple-Mail-2B8C9978-7BFE-481D-949B-95A9802FC4B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Support. 
This is a really important draft and plays a key role in simplif= ying neighbor discovery, eliminating operational complexities associated wit= h legacy link level learning protocols.

Thanks,
Neeraj

On Dec 10, 2018, at 1:26 AM, Van De Ve= lde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> wrote:

=

Reminder =E2=80=A6

 

G/

 

From: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:24
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ymbk-lsvr-= lsoe@ietf.org; Victor Kuarsingh <victor@jvknet.com>
Subject: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 1= 7 December 2018)

 

Hi All,

 

This begins a 2 week= WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December 3 =E2=80=93 December= 17)

and is the procedure= follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adoption was recognized..= .   

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/

 

During your discussi= on in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for more context as only a= 'yeh' or 'ney'.

 

Please indicate the f= ollowing things:

1) Support to adopt d= raft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document?

2) Are there any tec= hnical issues with this draft?

3) Which are current= pain-points in the draft requiring additional content and technical attenti= on?

4) What is missing f= rom this draft?

 

The authors (or anyb= ody else) of this draft should send their IPR statements in response to this= email. 

 

Kind Regards,

Gunter & Victor<= o:p>

LSVR WG co-chairs

________= _______________________________________
Lsvr mailing list
Lsvr@ietf.org
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([2600:8801:880:5f7:81fe:8168:d32d:dad0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m67sm21280433pfb.25.2018.12.11.05.42.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:42:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.1 \(3445.101.1\)) From: Jacob Uecker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:42:05 -0800 Cc: "lsvr@ietf.org" , "draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org" , Victor Kuarsingh Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <045572CB-4163-42DC-B88D-3307BEEDD4A4@gmail.com> References: To: "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.101.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 December 2018) X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:42:10 -0000 1) Yes, I support it 2 - 4) No issues, pain points or missing items. As noted, there are some = items that could warrant additional discussion and flushing out but = nothing that would stop this document form moving forward. Thank you Jacob=20 > On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) = wrote: >=20 > Hi All, > =20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 = (December 3 =E2=80=93 December 17) > and is the procedure follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG = adoption was recognized.. =20 > =20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/ > =20 > During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking = for more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'. > =20 > Please indicate the following things: > 1) Support to adopt draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG = document? > 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft? > 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional = content and technical attention? > 4) What is missing from this draft? > =20 > The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR = statements in response to this email.=20 > =20 > Kind Regards, > Gunter & Victor > LSVR WG co-chairs > _______________________________________________ > Lsvr mailing list > Lsvr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr From nobody Fri Dec 14 06:55:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C12A128D0C for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:55:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tallac-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fPcBUb-qBMu for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x236.google.com (mail-oi1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59102128A6E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x236.google.com with SMTP id j21so4729767oii.8 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tallac-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BTrBI+c+b9qtu5+VmYtI9iso7oiZ8QobB4coxrQBiwM=; b=PHC8pIiqg2rqvhohSBIfIlT/h3KB60L8L8GSUvjMkyGzH9NmTWT2cYGzMXKs+LbYpc 7bAhjSIPQ7BBjcgNZ00IXqvh7soAwQYN2FMkydxxMVop8J6xINqANPzSrMm0WvgUxlbo zL5Sz/UHw69DS92RMpp9cYlEm9vwEu0OLu60FKLkdPnLI6jfHz5HccAXgX5BTonXPEuD NpvFiGb2zp36oqzZSe6967DFsgqhY3pNsqPr9z5l47PPiP5shqWf9CPYfms5iMu4KQL+ 2D1bphhpLRhW3QN0EehcUrOaliZ1GewJ4RfA/MIkL1ueFRJKLnRnG/wZM+woNmxsZIN6 NcAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BTrBI+c+b9qtu5+VmYtI9iso7oiZ8QobB4coxrQBiwM=; b=BrZ8TtDeyR9fkP3mF+GRYxUh6GoTxjXWnI+FhAbtAFFY6nQH67I6qjUPlRcdIjiQ4n Ix300NO8NCCC/IwnEMmlRpZlJvOdCmZ/DaQla+fhmuwn2cDUXl3iB7oqHJYi8R0zoS5H iiLLm9opM050znLNQqasvbMGe3zS+xNfRqAbNb59vUxMnPwSsOzVqjFVMM1gEmjakqmu 0+k/eazmoOEwVtqPrTnUg8BF5mIBkewyWGeOfxFw9HWw5ARObqa2WKJ+qtgde2Q1bxJN xQnVSvHxbGVIWrhPsEcUxkTVUB2g/WVshHk0wRrF2NUbGsJAHy/lwe64aM6SUfAJt/ZX PNDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZjK69zYm9aQT2sLUZAiSPSqIinCYzoPfcuPyt77L3Has9S6lL5 bg7rAnZkXReaQxt8e5/KSAL6HHyZEad9wgI+KEPpr4N6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VI9s3ZR8CJoqM/q+65CgGf8VaY8KoeA/CW11sxI5EqCEDyAFHwNESqBO0rlSoBmAr2Io5/GQu7gxruAgwhzlU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2c05:: with SMTP id s5mr2034491ois.190.1544799325584; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:55:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Congdon Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:55:14 -0800 Message-ID: To: gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com Cc: lsvr@ietf.org, draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org, victor@jvknet.com, STDS-802-1-L@listserv.ieee.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000d43e9057cfc9f02" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 December 2018) X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 14:55:29 -0000 --0000000000000d43e9057cfc9f02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Please indicate the following things: > > 1) Support to adopt draft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document? > I do not support the adoption of this draft as is. I still believe there are technical issues which I describe below, but they can be fixed in a future draft. One other significant issue is the name of this protocol. It is not a link state protocol over ethernet and that can lead to confusion. There is already a standard 'link state' protocol over Ethernet called SPB (shortest path bridging) in 802.1Q. This is really a peer discovery and liveness protocol. Better names would be any of the following: BGP Peer Discover Protocol over Ethenet, or just Peer Discovery over Ethernet Encapsulation Discovery over Ethernet 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft? > I still do not believe the ACK mechanism works without some sort of packet number or identifier for what it is ACKing. It is possible for an unambiguous ACK to pass in flight with a retransmission can cause a duplication at the receiver. > 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional content > and technical attention? > Given that this protocol sends 'Hello' messages, I think the strict policy of dropping packets that don't match the version number will create extra chatter on the network when a subsequent version of this is rolled out. It would be a good idea to attempt to be forward/backward compatible if possible. Examples of this have been documented in 802.1. > 4) What is missing from this draft? > > As stated above As a side note and FYI, I have requested time to present a consideration for an LLDPv2 proposal within 802.1. There is a universal need to extend LLDP's ability to transfer TLVs beyond what can fit a single PDU and several of us with 802.1 have created an initial proposal to be presented at an upcoming conference call or F2F meeting. This is not an intention to challenge the contribution or need for this draft, rather to address a current unmet need of a widely deployed protocol. Regards, Paul > > > The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR > statements in response to this email. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Gunter & Victor > > LSVR WG co-chairs > _______________________________________________ > Lsvr mailing list > Lsvr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr > --0000000000000d43e9057cfc9f02 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please indicate the following things:

1) Support to adopt d= raft " draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR= WG document?


I do n= ot support the adoption of this draft as is.=C2=A0 I still believe there ar= e technical issues which I describe below, but they can be fixed in a futur= e draft.

One other significant issue is the name o= f this protocol.=C2=A0 It is not a link state protocol over ethernet and th= at can lead to confusion.=C2=A0 There is already a standard 'link state= ' protocol over Ethernet called SPB (shortest path bridging) in 802.1Q.=

This is really a peer discovery and liveness prot= ocol.=C2=A0 Better names would be any of the following:

BGP Peer Discover Protocol over Ethenet, or just
Peer Disco= very over Ethernet
Encapsulation Discovery over Ethernet

2) Are there = any technical issues with this draft?


I still do not believe the ACK mechanism works without so= me sort of packet number or identifier for what it is ACKing.=C2=A0 It is p= ossible for an unambiguous ACK to pass in flight with a retransmission can = cause a duplication at the receiver.
=C2=A0

3) Which are current = pain-points in the draft requiring additional content and technical attenti= on?


Given that this = protocol sends 'Hello' messages, I think the strict policy of dropp= ing packets that don't match the version number will create extra chatt= er on the network when a subsequent version of this is rolled out.=C2=A0 It= would be a good idea to attempt to be forward/backward compatible if possi= ble.=C2=A0 Examples of this have been documented in 802.1.
=C2=A0=

4) What is missing fr= om this draft?


As stated above

As a side note and FYI, I have requested time to present a consider= ation for an LLDPv2 proposal within 802.1.=C2=A0 =C2=A0There is a universal= need to extend LLDP's ability to transfer TLVs beyond what can fit a s= ingle PDU and several of us with 802.1 have created an initial proposal to = be presented at an upcoming conference call or F2F meeting.=C2=A0 This is n= ot an intention to challenge the contribution or need for this draft, rathe= r to address a current unmet need of a widely deployed protocol.
=
Regards,
Paul

=C2=A0=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

The authors (or anybo= dy else) of this draft should send their IPR statements in response to this= email.=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /span>

Kind Regards,<= u>

Gunter & Victor

LSVR WG co-chairs<= /u>

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I sent this message to the idr and spring WGs yesterday. It was suggested that this WG should be interested in the topic as well. I=E2=80=99m hoping= that most of you are also subscribed to the idr list; if possible, please reply to the original thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0qsjuVaEhroKInHZMohP6HnsWd8 Thanks! Alvaro. On December 18, 2018 at 4:09:07 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Dear idr and spring WGs: tl;dr I don't think that BGP-LS, with error handling as specified ("attribute discard"), can provide the robustness that an application (like SR), with direct impact on the forwarding in the network, needs. [Jump to the bottom for discussion.] The BGP-LS extensions for SR (e.g. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext) are, as explained in that draft, used so that "an external component (e.g., a controller) then can collect SR information from across an SR domain and construct the end-to-end path (with its associated SIDs) that need to be applied to an incoming packet to achieve the desired end-to-end forwarding." To me, that obviously implies that use of BGP-LS for SR has a direct effect on how traffic is forwarded in the network. Does any one see it differently? The error handling mechanism specified in rfc7752 is "attribute discard" [rfc7606]. If an error is detected, then the information in the controller may be, at best, incomplete, but it could also be out of date...resulting in "segment routes" that don't follow the best available path or that may even end in a black hole. It seems clear to me that this is one of the cases that rfc7606 warned about: o Attribute discard: In this approach, the malformed attribute MUST be discarded and the UPDATE message continues to be processed. This approach MUST NOT be used except in the case of an attribute that has no effect on route selection or installation. ... For any malformed attribute that is handled by the "attribute discard" instead of the "treat-as-withdraw" approach, it is critical to consider the potential impact of doing so. In particular, if the attribute in question has or may have an effect on route selection or installation, the presumption is that discarding it is unsafe unless careful analysis proves otherwise. The analysis should take into account the tradeoff between preserving connectivity and potential side effects. There was a related discussion as a result of my AD review of draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution (=3D rfc7606) [1][2]. At that time (2015), the consensus on the list was (paraphrasing): if there's a malformed attribute we won't be able to recover, but that's ok because BGP-LS is "purely application-level data that has no immediate corresponding forwarding state impact", and there won't be an impact on critical AFI/SAFI for network operations. No one else argued against that...so I ended up in the rough... I think the situation has now changed because BGP-LS is carrying SR information that is used to define paths in the network -- even if isolation exists, as described in rfc7752: ... Furthermore, it is anticipated that distribution of this NLRI will be handled by dedicated route reflectors providing a level of isolation and fault containment between different NLRI types. ...the BGP-LS information could still be incomplete, stale, etc.. After all that... I don't think that BGP-LS, with error handling as specified ("attribute discard"), can provide the robustness that an application (like SR), with direct impact on the forwarding in the network, needs. What now? I see several potential paths forward (there are probably more): (1) "fix" BGP-LS to mandate (MUST) isolation and change the error handling approach (2) change the error handling approach...maybe just when used with SR (3) the controller should only use the SR information received from routing protocols (IGP/BGP, e.g. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid) (4) ..?? I didn't find a specific discussion about this topic in the archive...but I may have missed it in between other related ones. If I did, please point me to it. Thoughts/ideas/comments? Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/FomvQV2DqjaaRiAcLYLn3LcIdYM [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/wbPNQ-HM2NeR75gR2Or948J9o1I --000000000000cb4af0057d63c99e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hi!

I sent this message to the idr and spring WGs yesterday.= =C2=A0 It was suggested that this WG should be interested in the topic as w= ell.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping that most of you are also subscribed to the i= dr list; if possible, please reply to the original thread:=C2=A0http= s://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0qsjuVaEhroKInHZMohP6HnsWd8=C2=A0=

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On D= ecember 18, 2018 at 4:09:07 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana.ietf@gmail.com) wrote:

Dear idr and spring WGs:

tl;dr =C2=A0I don't think that BGP-LS, with error handling as specified ("attribute discard"), can provide the robustness that = an application (like SR), with direct impact on the forwarding in the network, needs. =C2=A0[Jump to the bottom for discussion.]


The BGP-LS extensions for SR (e.g. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext) are, as explained in that draft, used so that "an external component (e.g., a controller) then can collect SR information from across an SR domain and construct the end-to-end path (with its associated SIDs) that need to be applied to an incoming packet to achieve the desired end-to-end forwarding."

To me, that obviously implies that use of BGP-LS for SR has a direct effect on how traffic is forwarded in the network. =C2=A0Does any one see it differently?


The error handling mechanism specified in rfc7752 is "attribute discard" [rfc7606].=C2=A0 If an error is detected, the= n the information in the controller may be, at best, incomplete, but it could also be out of date...resulting in "segment routes" that don't follow the best available path or that may even end in a black hole. =C2=A0

It seems clear to me that this is one of the cases that rfc7606 warned about:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0Attribute discard: In this approach, the malformed attribute MUST
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 be discarded and the UPDATE message continues to be processed.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This approach MUST NOT be used except in the case of an attribute
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that has no effect on route selection or installation.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ... =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0For any malformed attribute that is handled by the "attribute
=C2=A0 =C2=A0discard" instead of the "treat-as-withdraw"= ; approach, it is critical
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to consider the potential impact of doing so. =C2=A0In particular, if the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute in question has or may have an effect on route selection or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0installation, the presumption is that discarding it is unsafe unless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0careful analysis proves otherwise.=C2=A0 The analysis should take into
=C2=A0 =C2=A0account the tradeoff between preserving connectivity and potential
=C2=A0 =C2=A0side effects.


There was a related discussion as a result of my AD review of draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution (=3D rfc7606) [1][2].=C2=A0 At that time (2015), the consensus on the list was (paraphrasing): if there's a malformed attribute we won't be able to recover, but that's ok because BGP-LS is "purely application-level data that ha= s no immediate corresponding forwarding state impact", and there won't be an impact on critical AFI/SAFI for network operations. =C2=A0 No one else argued against that...so I ended up in the rough...

I think the situation has now changed because BGP-LS is carrying SR information that is used to define paths in the network -- even if isolation exists, as described in rfc7752:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0... =C2=A0 =C2=A0Furthermore, it is anticipated that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribution of this NLRI will be handled by dedicated route
=C2=A0 =C2=A0reflectors providing a level of isolation and fault containment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0between different NLRI types.

...the BGP-LS information could still be incomplete, stale, etc..=C2=A0


After all that...=C2=A0 I don't think that BGP-LS, with error handling as specified ("attribute discard"), can provide the robustness that an application (like SR), with direct impact on the forwarding in the network, needs.

What now?=C2=A0 I see several potential paths forward (there are probably more):

(1) "fix" BGP-LS to mandate (MUST) isolation and change the error handling approach

(2) change the error handling approach...maybe just when used with SR

(3) the controller should only use the SR information received from routing protocols (IGP/BGP, e.g. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid)

(4) ..??


I didn't find a specific discussion about this topic in the archive...but I may have missed it in between other related ones. =C2=A0If I did, please point me to it.

Thoughts/ideas/comments?

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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boundary="5c1d5f2f_4365174b_8b8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 December 2018) X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 21:46:28 -0000 --5c1d5f2f_4365174b_8b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes/support There seems to be enough interest to progress this work in LSVR and relev= ant technical questions would be figured out as the document progresses .= Cheers, Jeff > =46rom: Lsvr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunte= r (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:24 > To: lsvr=40ietf.org > Cc: draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe=40ietf.org; Victor Kuarsingh > Subject: =5BLsvr=5D WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to en= d 17 December 2018) > > Hi All, > > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (Dece= mber 3 =E2=80=93 December 17) > and is the procedure follow up of the IET=46103 LSVR WG meeting where W= G adoption was recognized... > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/ > > During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking = for more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'. > > Please indicate the following things: > 1) Support to adopt draft =22 draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03=22 as LSVR WG doc= ument=3F > 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft=3F > 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional cont= ent and technical attention=3F > 4) What is missing from this draft=3F > > The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR state= ments in response to this email. > > Kind Regards, > Gunter & Victor > LSVR WG co-chairs > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= 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There seems to be enough interest to progress this work in LSVR and = relevant technical questions would be figured out as the document progres= ses .

Cheers,
Jeff

=46rom: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces=40ietf.org> On Behalf Of Van De Velde, = Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:24
To: lsvr=40ietf.org
Cc: draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe=40ietf.org; Victor Kuarsingh <victor=40= jvknet.com>
Subject: =5BLsvr=5D WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (= to end 17 December 2018)

&=23160;

Hi All,

&=23160;

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ym= bk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December 3 =E2=80=93 December 17)

and is the procedure follow up of the IET=46103 LS= VR WG meeting where WG adoption was recognized... &=23160;&=23160;=

&=23160;

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lso= e/

&=23160;

During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, th= e chairs are looking for more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'.

&=23160;

Please indicate the following things:

1) Support to adopt draft =22 draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe= -03=22 as LSVR WG document=3F

2) Are there any technical issues with this draft=3F=

3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requ= iring additional content and technical attention=3F

4) What is missing from this draft=3F

&=23160;

The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should= send their IPR statements in response to this email.&=23160;

&=23160;

Kind Regards,

Gunter & Victor

LSVR WG co-chairs

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Draft = draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03 is returned to WG for further processing. Kind regards, Gunter Van de Velde LSVR co-chair Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 2:38 PM To: lsvr@ietf.org Cc: Victor Kuarsingh; draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org Subject: WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03 (to end December 17, 2018) Hi All, The LSVR WG starts a working group last call for =93draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf= -03=94. Please send your comments to the list before Monday December 17. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf/ Authors, please reply indicating if you're aware of any relevant IPR. Thank= s. Brgds, Gunter & Victor LSVR WG co-chairs --_000_AM0PR07MB5137A630E13F96909644A39EE0BB0AM0PR07MB5137eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All, draft editors,

From the WGLC process some technologic aspec= ts were discovered with draft draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03 that need further = constructive discussion. Draft draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03 is returned to WG= for further processing.

Kind regards,
Gunter Van de Velde
LSVR co-chair


Get Outlook for iOS
From: Van= De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>= ;
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 2:38 PM
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Cc: Victor Kuarsingh; draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org
Subject: WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03 (to end December 17, 20= 18)
 
Hi All,
 
The LSVR WG starts a working group last call for =93draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-03=94. Please send =
your comments to the list before Monday December 17.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d=
raft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf/
 
Authors, please reply indicating if you're aware of any releva=
nt IPR. Thanks.
 

Brgds,

Gunter & Victor

LSVR WG co-chairs

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LSVR WG, draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe authors, The LSoE WG adoption call has been completed. Adoption call feedback indica= ted that while the current version of LSoE may have room for improvement, t= hat there is sufficient interrest to proceed the draft as LSVR WG document. Authors, may i ask to re-submit the draft as LSVR WG draft. The LSVR WG co-chairs together with the responsible AD are already in proce= ss to send a liaison to IEEE 802.1 WG to inform on this adjacent technology= development at IETF. Brgds, Gunter & Victor LSVR co-chairs Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 3:23 PM To: lsvr@ietf.org Cc: Victor Kuarsingh; draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org Subject: WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 December 2= 018) Hi All, This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December= 3 =96 December 17) and is the procedure follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adop= tion was recognized. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/ During your discussion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for = more context as only a 'yeh' or 'ney'. Please indicate the following things: 1) Support to adopt draft "draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document? 2) Are there any technical issues with this draft? 3) Which are current pain-points in the draft requiring additional content = and technical attention? 4) What is missing from this draft? The authors (or anybody else) of this draft should send their IPR statement= s in response to this email. Kind Regards, Gunter & Victor LSVR WG co-chairs --_000_AM0PR07MB5137CF9E315240CC89FE3608E0BB0AM0PR07MB5137eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LSVR WG, draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe authors,

The LSoE WG adoption call has been completed= . Adoption call feedback indicated that while the current version of LSoE m= ay have room for improvement, that there is sufficient interrest to proceed= the draft as LSVR WG document. 

Authors, may i ask to re-submit the draft as= LSVR WG draft.

The LSVR WG co-chairs together with the resp= onsible AD are already in process to send a liaison to IEEE 802.1 WG to inf= orm on this adjacent technology development at IETF.

Brgds,
Gunter & Victor
LSVR co-chairs

Get Outlook for iOS
From: Van= De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>= ;
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 3:23 PM
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Cc: Victor Kuarsingh; draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe@ietf.org
Subject: WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (to end 17 Dec= ember 2018)
 

Hi All,

 

This begins a 2 wee= k WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03 (December 3 =96 December 17)=

and is the procedur= e follow up of the IETF103 LSVR WG meeting where WG adoption was recognized= .   

 

https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe/

 

During your discuss= ion in the WG Adoption Call, the chairs are looking for more context as onl= y a 'yeh' or 'ney'.

 

Please indicate the= following things:

1) Support to adopt= draft "draft-ymbk-lsvr-lsoe-03" as LSVR WG document?=

2) Are there any te= chnical issues with this draft?

3) Which are curren= t pain-points in the draft requiring additional content and technical atten= tion?

4) What is missing = from this draft?

 

The authors (or any= body else) of this draft should send their IPR statements in response to th= is email. 

 

Kind Regards,

Gunter & Victor=

LSVR WG co-chairs

--_000_AM0PR07MB5137CF9E315240CC89FE3608E0BB0AM0PR07MB5137eurp_-- From nobody Mon Dec 24 05:37:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413741294D0; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 05:37:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsvr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsvr@ietf.org Message-ID: <154565865113.12907.14836774675819645709@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 05:37:31 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-lsoe-00.txt X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:37:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Link State Over Ethernet Authors : Randy Bush Rob Austein Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-lsvr-lsoe-00.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-12-24 Abstract: Used in Massive Data Centers (MDCs), BGP-SPF and similar protocols need link neighbor discovery, link encapsulation data, and Layer 2 liveness. The Link State Over Ethernet protocol provides link discovery, exchanges supported encapsulations (IPv4, IPv6, ...), discovers encapsulation addresses (Layer 3 / MPLS identifiers) over raw Ethernet, and provides layer 2 liveness checking. The interface data are pushed directly to a BGP-LS API, obviating the need for centralized controller architectures. This protocol is intended to be more widely applicable to other upper layer routing protocols which need link discovery and characterisation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-lsoe/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-lsoe-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-lsoe-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/