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Subject: [Lsvr] Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
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Hi Authors,

I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095) for
the links originated by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is
specifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For example,
following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the
length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS
wide-metrics.

3.3.2.4.  IGP Metric TLV

   The IGP Metric TLV carries the metric for this link.  The length of
   this TLV is variable, depending on the metric width of the underlying
   protocol.  IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most
   significant bits are ignored).  OSPF link metrics have a length of 2
   octets.  IS-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.

      0                   1                   2                   3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     |              Type             |             Length            |
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     //      IGP Link Metric (variable length)      //
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

                     Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format


What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SPF
speaker?

Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated
a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above
in the next version.

Thanks and regards,
-Pushpasis

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Authors,<div><br></div><div>I need a s=
mall clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095) for the links=
 originated=C2=A0by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is specifically =
on what would be the length of the metric value. For=C2=A0example, followin=
g is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the length to=
 be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS wide-metrics.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div><pre style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;overflow:a=
uto;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;,Monaco,monospace;font-size:14px;padding=
:10px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10.5px;line-height:1.214;color:rgb(0,0,0=
);word-break:break-all;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:rgb(255,253,24=
5);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-=
right-radius:4px;border-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4=
px">3.3.2.4.  IGP Metric TLV

   The IGP Metric TLV carries the metric for this link.  The length of
   this TLV is variable, depending on the metric width of the underlying
   protocol.  IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most
   significant bits are ignored).  OSPF link metrics have a length of 2
   octets.  IS-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.

      0                   1                   2                   3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     |              Type             |             Length            |
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     //      IGP Link Metric (variable length)      //
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

                     Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format
</pre><br class=3D"gmail-Apple-interchange-newline" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,=
0)"></div><div>What should be the length of the metric field when the origi=
n is a BGP-SPF speaker?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Looking forward to y=
our clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated a lot if a sentence =
or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above in the next version.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and regards,</div><div>-Pushpasis</div><div=
><br></div></div></div>

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Hi All,

Due to the current global travel problematics and lack of topic requests, t=
he LSVR WG meeting at IETF107 is cancelled.

See you all at IETF108

Kind Regards,
Gunter Van de Velde

From: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia=
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Subject: [Lsvr] IETF 107 LSVR Meeting Call for Agenda Items


The LSVR (link-state-vector-routing) WG will be meeting on Thursday, March =
26th, 2019 from 15:50 to 17:20 PM.



Please send us (lsrv-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:lsrv-chairs@ietf.org>) any requ=
ests for presentation slots.



Thanks,

Gunter & Victor



PS: The IETF 107 Preliminary Agenda has been posted... The final agenda wil=
l be published on Friday, Feb 28, 2020.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.html

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.txt


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the current global travel problematics and la=
ck of topic requests, the LSVR WG meeting at IETF107 is cancelled.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">See you all at IETF108<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gunter Van de Velde<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Lsvr &lt;lsvr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>
Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 16:22<br>
<b>To:</b> lsvr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Victor Kuarsingh &lt;victor@jvknet.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Lsvr] IETF 107 LSVR Meeting Call for Agenda Items<o:p></o:=
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<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
Consolas;color:#212529">The LSVR (link-state-vector-routing) WG will be mee=
ting on Thursday, March 26th, 2019 from 15:50 to 17:20 PM.<o:p></o:p></span=
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<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
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<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
Consolas;color:#212529">Please send us (<a href=3D"mailto:lsrv-chairs@ietf.=
org">lsrv-chairs@ietf.org</a>) any requests for presentation slots.<o:p></o=
:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
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<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
Consolas;color:#212529">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
Consolas;color:#212529">Gunter &amp; Victor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
Consolas;color:#212529">PS: The IETF 107 Preliminary Agenda has been posted=
... The final agenda will be published on Friday, Feb 28, 2020.<o:p></o:p><=
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p></o:p></p>
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07/agenda.txt">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.txt</a><o:p>=
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Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
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Hi Acee,

My personal preference will be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease of
implementation as well as encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size
alignment. It may not be a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value
to/from byte stream is few more CPU instructions than just a 4-byte read
from a memory address.

Thanks
-Pushpasis

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will
> offer the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will
> update the SPF draft to state this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
> *To: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org
> >
> *Cc: *"lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in
> BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Authors,
>
>
>
> I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095)
> for the links originated by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is
> specifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For example,
> following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the
> length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS
> wide-metrics.
>
>
>
> 3.3.2.4.  IGP Metric TLV
>
>
>
>    The IGP Metric TLV carries the metric for this link.  The length of
>
>    this TLV is variable, depending on the metric width of the underlying
>
>    protocol.  IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most
>
>    significant bits are ignored).  OSPF link metrics have a length of 2
>
>    octets.  IS-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.
>
>
>
>       0                   1                   2                   3
>
>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      |              Type             |             Length            |
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      //      IGP Link Metric (variable length)      //
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                      Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format
>
>
>
> What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SPF
> speaker?
>
>
>
> Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated
> a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above
> in the next version.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>

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a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value to/from byte stream is few=
 more CPU instructions=C2=A0than just a 4-byte read from a memory address.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>-Pushpasis</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ma=
r 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.=
com">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet =
metrics. This will offer the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If yo=
u agree, I will update the SPF draft to state this.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.iet=
f@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsv=
r@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes=
 in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;, Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Hi Authors, <u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">I need a small clarifica=
tion on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095) for the links originated=C2=
=A0by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is specifically on what would =
be the length of the metric value. For=C2=A0example,
 following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the =
length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS wide-me=
trics.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:8pt;background-colo=
r:rgb(255,253,245);margin-left:0.5in;margin-right:0in;background-position:i=
nitial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;box-sizing:border-box;word-wrap:break=
-word;border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-=
right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4px;overflow:auto;background-pos=
ition:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">3.3.2.4.=C2=A0 I=
GP Metric TLV<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The IGP Metric TLV carries=
 the metric for this link.=C2=A0 The length of<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 this TLV is variable, depe=
nding on the metric width of the underlying<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocol.=C2=A0 IS-IS smal=
l metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 significant bits are ignor=
ed).=C2=A0 OSPF link metrics have a length of 2<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 octets.=C2=A0 IS-IS wide m=
etrics have a length of 3 octets.<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 1 2 3 =
4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<u></u><u></u></span=
></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<u></u><u></u></span></p=
re>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Type=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lengt=
h=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<u></u=
><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<u></u><u></u></span></p=
re>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IGP Link Metric (variable length)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 //<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-bottom:7.9pt;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-br=
eak:break-all;border:none;padding:0in;background-position:initial initial;b=
ackground-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">What should be the lengt=
h of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SPF speaker?=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Looking forward to your =
clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated a lot if a sentence or t=
wo can be added to the draft clarifying the above in the next version.<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Thanks and regards,<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
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Hi Acee,

I thought RFC7752 says it is a variable length TLV. 1-byte, 2-byte, and
3-byte metrics are possible lengths. Can't we add a 4th possible length via
this draft? If not then a new TLV may be a better option.

However if I remember correctly, there is a RFC7752 bis being worked upon.
Is there an option we can add it in that document? Not sure if it will be a
proper way or not. Just thinking out loud :)

Thanks
-Pushpasis


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:17 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> If we use a length of 4, we=E2=80=99d need a new TLV (or modify RFC 7752)=
. I think
> the former would be a better option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g>,
> "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link
> Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>=
,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Acee,
>
>
>
> My personal preference will be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease o=
f
> implementation as well as encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size
> alignment. It may not be a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value
> to/from byte stream is few more CPU instructions than just a 4-byte read
> from a memory address.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will
> offer the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will
> update the SPF draft to state this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
> *To: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g
> >
> *Cc: *"lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in
> BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>=
,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Authors,
>
>
>
> I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095)
> for the links originated by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is
> specifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For example=
,
> following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the
> length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS
> wide-metrics.
>
>
>
> 3.3.2.4.  IGP Metric TLV
>
>
>
>    The IGP Metric TLV carries the metric for this link.  The length of
>
>    this TLV is variable, depending on the metric width of the underlying
>
>    protocol.  IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most
>
>    significant bits are ignored).  OSPF link metrics have a length of 2
>
>    octets.  IS-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.
>
>
>
>       0                   1                   2                   3
>
>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      |              Type             |             Length            |
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      //      IGP Link Metric (variable length)      //
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                      Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format
>
>
>
> What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SP=
F
> speaker?
>
>
>
> Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciate=
d
> a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above
> in the next version.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Acee,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I thought RFC7752 says i=
t is a variable length TLV. 1-byte, 2-byte, and 3-byte metrics are possible=
 lengths. Can&#39;t we add a 4th possible length via this draft? If not the=
n a new TLV may be a better=C2=A0option.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>How=
ever if I remember correctly, there is a RFC7752 bis being worked upon. Is =
there an option we can add it in that document? Not sure if it will be a pr=
oper way or not. Just thinking out loud :)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<=
/div><div>-Pushpasis</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:17 PM Ac=
ee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com">acee@cisco.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_6047985641079667890WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If we use a length of 4, we=E2=80=99d need a new TLV=
 (or modify RFC 7752). I think the former would be a better option.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.iet=
f@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attrib=
utes in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;, Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Hi=C2=A0Acee,=C2=A0 <u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">My personal preference w=
ill be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease of implementation as well a=
s encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size alignment. It may not be a big=
 thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte
 value to/from byte stream is few more CPU instructions=C2=A0than just a 4-=
byte read from a memory address.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at =
12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D=
"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.=
8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will offe=
r the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will update =
the SPF draft to state this.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:push=
pasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsv=
r@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes=
 in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;,
 Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Hi Authors, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095) for=
 the links originated=C2=A0by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is spe=
cifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For=C2=A0example=
, following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section
 3.3.2.4 which specifies the length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-m=
etrics, OSPF and ISIS wide-metrics.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">3.3.2.4.=C2=A0 IGP Metric TL=
V</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The IGP Metric =
TLV carries the metric for this link.=C2=A0 The length of</span><u></u><u><=
/u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 this TLV is var=
iable, depending on the metric width of the underlying</span><u></u><u></u>=
</pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocol.=C2=A0=
 IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most</span><u></u><u=
></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 significant bit=
s are ignored).=C2=A0 OSPF link metrics have a length of 2</span><u></u><u>=
</u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 octets.=C2=A0 I=
S-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 2=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1</span><=
u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u=
><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Type=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Length=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 |</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u=
><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IGP Link Metric (variable length)=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:0.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format</span><u></u><u></u></p=
re>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SPF =
speaker?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated =
a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above i=
n the next version.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Thanks and regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
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Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
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Hi Acee,

Sure. If anyone doesn't prefer any other way we can proceed with this.

Thanks
-Pushpasis


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:49 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Pushpais,
>
> I think we can get away with this w/o modifying RFC 7752 since, as you
> noted, it just says it is variable.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:15 AM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g>,
> "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link
> Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
>
>
>
> Hi Acee,
>
>
>
> I thought RFC7752 says it is a variable length TLV. 1-byte, 2-byte, and
> 3-byte metrics are possible lengths. Can't we add a 4th possible length v=
ia
> this draft? If not then a new TLV may be a better option.
>
>
>
> However if I remember correctly, there is a RFC7752 bis being worked upon=
.
> Is there an option we can add it in that document? Not sure if it will be=
 a
> proper way or not. Just thinking out loud :)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:17 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote=
:
>
> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> If we use a length of 4, we=E2=80=99d need a new TLV (or modify RFC 7752)=
. I think
> the former would be a better option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g>,
> "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link
> Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>=
,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Acee,
>
>
>
> My personal preference will be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease o=
f
> implementation as well as encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size
> alignment. It may not be a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value
> to/from byte stream is few more CPU instructions than just a 4-byte read
> from a memory address.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will
> offer the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will
> update the SPF draft to state this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
> *To: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g
> >
> *Cc: *"lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in
> BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>=
,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Authors,
>
>
>
> I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095)
> for the links originated by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is
> specifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For example=
,
> following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the
> length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS
> wide-metrics.
>
>
>
> 3.3.2.4.  IGP Metric TLV
>
>
>
>    The IGP Metric TLV carries the metric for this link.  The length of
>
>    this TLV is variable, depending on the metric width of the underlying
>
>    protocol.  IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most
>
>    significant bits are ignored).  OSPF link metrics have a length of 2
>
>    octets.  IS-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.
>
>
>
>       0                   1                   2                   3
>
>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      |              Type             |             Length            |
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      //      IGP Link Metric (variable length)      //
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                      Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format
>
>
>
> What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SP=
F
> speaker?
>
>
>
> Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciate=
d
> a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above
> in the next version.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Acee,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Sure. If anyone doesn&#3=
9;t prefer any other way we can proceed with this.</div><div><br></div><div=
>Thanks</div><div>-Pushpasis</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:=
49 PM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com">acee@cisco.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Pushpais, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think we can get away with this w/o modifying RFC =
7752 since, as you noted, it just says it is variable.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.iet=
f@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attrib=
utes in BGP-SPF deployments<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Hi Acee,=C2=A0 <u></u><u=
></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">I thought RFC7752 says i=
t is a variable length TLV. 1-byte, 2-byte, and 3-byte metrics are possible=
 lengths. Can&#39;t we add a 4th possible length via this draft? If not the=
n a new TLV may be a better=C2=A0option.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">However if I remember co=
rrectly, there is a RFC7752 bis being worked upon. Is there an option we ca=
n add it in that document? Not sure if it will be a proper way or not. Just=
 thinking out loud :)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at =
7:17 PM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"=
_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
If we use a length of 4, we=E2=80=99d need a new TLV (or modify RFC 7752). =
I think the former would be a better option.
<u></u><u></u></p>
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Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:push=
pasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&g=
t;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attrib=
utes in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;,
 Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
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Hi=C2=A0Acee,=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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My personal preference will be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease of =
implementation as well as encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size alignm=
ent. It may not be a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value to/from=
 byte stream is few more CPU instructions=C2=A0than
 just a 4-byte read from a memory address.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
cee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u=
></p>
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Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will offe=
r the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will update =
the SPF draft to state this.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:push=
pasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsv=
r@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes=
 in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;,
 Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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Hi Authors, <u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095) for=
 the links originated=C2=A0by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is spe=
cifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For=C2=A0example=
, following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section
 3.3.2.4 which specifies the length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-m=
etrics, OSPF and ISIS wide-metrics.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;=
font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">3.3.2.4.=C2=A0 IGP Metric TLV<=
/span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;=
font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The IGP Metric TL=
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S-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most</span><u></u><u><=
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SPF =
speaker?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated =
a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above i=
n the next version.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Thanks and regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u></p>
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This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol
        Authors         : Keyur Patel
                          Acee Lindem
                          Shawn Zandi
                          Wim Henderickx
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-08.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2020-03-24

Abstract:
   Many Massively Scaled Data Centers (MSDCs) have converged on
   simplified layer 3 routing.  Furthermore, requirements for
   operational simplicity have led many of these MSDCs to converge on
   BGP as their single routing protocol for both their fabric routing
   and their Data Center Interconnect (DCI) routing.  This document
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This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Usage and Applicability of Link State Vector Routing in Data Centers
        Authors         : Keyur Patel
                          Acee Lindem
                          Shawn Zandi
                          Gaurav Dawra
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-05.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2020-03-24

Abstract:
   This document discusses the usage and applicability of Link State
   Vector Routing (LSVR) extensions in data center networks utilizing
   CLOS or Fat-Tree topologies.  The document is intended to provide a
   simplified guide for the deployment of LSVR extensions.


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From: Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 01:58:23 +0530
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Subject: Re: [Lsvr] Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
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Hi Acee,

Thanks a lot for taking care of this.

Best regards
-Pushpasis


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:18 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Pushpasis, et al,
>
> This is clarified in the -08 version of the draft.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 11:43 AM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g>,
> "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link
> Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
>
>
>
> Hi Acee,
>
>
>
> Sure. If anyone doesn't prefer any other way we can proceed with this.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:49 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote=
:
>
> Hi Pushpais,
>
> I think we can get away with this w/o modifying RFC 7752 since, as you
> noted, it just says it is variable.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:15 AM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g>,
> "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link
> Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
>
>
>
> Hi Acee,
>
>
>
> I thought RFC7752 says it is a variable length TLV. 1-byte, 2-byte, and
> 3-byte metrics are possible lengths. Can't we add a 4th possible length v=
ia
> this draft? If not then a new TLV may be a better option.
>
>
>
> However if I remember correctly, there is a RFC7752 bis being worked upon=
.
> Is there an option we can add it in that document? Not sure if it will be=
 a
> proper way or not. Just thinking out loud :)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:17 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote=
:
>
> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> If we use a length of 4, we=E2=80=99d need a new TLV (or modify RFC 7752)=
. I think
> the former would be a better option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g>,
> "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link
> Attributes in BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>=
,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Acee,
>
>
>
> My personal preference will be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease o=
f
> implementation as well as encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size
> alignment. It may not be a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value
> to/from byte stream is few more CPU instructions than just a 4-byte read
> from a memory address.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Pushpasis,
>
> I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will
> offer the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will
> update the SPF draft to state this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
> *To: *"draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.or=
g
> >
> *Cc: *"lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes in
> BGP-SPF deployments
> *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org>
> *Resent-To: *Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>=
,
> Shawn Zandi <szandi@linkedin.com>, Wim Henderickx <
> wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
> *Resent-Date: *Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Authors,
>
>
>
> I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095)
> for the links originated by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is
> specifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For example=
,
> following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section 3.3.2.4 which specifies the
> length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-metrics, OSPF and ISIS
> wide-metrics.
>
>
>
> 3.3.2.4.  IGP Metric TLV
>
>
>
>    The IGP Metric TLV carries the metric for this link.  The length of
>
>    this TLV is variable, depending on the metric width of the underlying
>
>    protocol.  IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most
>
>    significant bits are ignored).  OSPF link metrics have a length of 2
>
>    octets.  IS-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.
>
>
>
>       0                   1                   2                   3
>
>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      |              Type             |             Length            |
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>      //      IGP Link Metric (variable length)      //
>
>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                      Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format
>
>
>
> What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SP=
F
> speaker?
>
>
>
> Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciate=
d
> a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above
> in the next version.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> -Pushpasis
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Acee,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for taking =
care of this.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div>-Pushpasis</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:18 PM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Pushpasis, et al, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is clarified in the -08 version of the draft.<u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.iet=
f@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attrib=
utes in BGP-SPF deployments<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Hi Acee,=C2=A0 <u></u><u=
></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Sure. If anyone doesn&#3=
9;t prefer any other way we can proceed with this.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at =
7:49 PM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"=
_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.=
8pt;margin-right:0in">
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Hi Pushpais, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
I think we can get away with this w/o modifying RFC 7752 since, as you note=
d, it just says it is variable.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:push=
pasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&g=
t;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attrib=
utes in BGP-SPF deployments</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Hi Acee,=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
I thought RFC7752 says it is a variable length TLV. 1-byte, 2-byte, and 3-b=
yte metrics are possible lengths. Can&#39;t we add a 4th possible length vi=
a this draft? If not then a new TLV may be a better=C2=A0option.=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
However if I remember correctly, there is a RFC7752 bis being worked upon. =
Is there an option we can add it in that document? Not sure if it will be a=
 proper way or not. Just thinking out loud :)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:17 PM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in=
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
If we use a length of 4, we=E2=80=99d need a new TLV (or modify RFC 7752). =
I think the former would be a better option.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:push=
pasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ietf.org</a>&g=
t;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attrib=
utes in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;,
 Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:00 AM</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
Hi=C2=A0Acee,=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
My personal preference will be having it as a 4-byte metric due to ease of =
implementation as well as encoding/decoding efficiency due word-size alignm=
ent. It may not be a big thing but encoding/decoding a 3-byte value to/from=
 byte stream is few more CPU instructions=C2=A0than
 just a 4-byte read from a memory address.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
cee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in=
 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
Hi Pushpasis, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
I think for BGP-LS SPF we should always use 3 octet metrics. This will offe=
r the most flexibility w/o redefining the TLV. If you agree, I will update =
the SPF draft to state this.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
Acee<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.5in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-=
color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Pushpasis Sarkar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:push=
pasis.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-s=
pf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsvr@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lsvr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsv=
r@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Need clarification on IGP-Metric TLV for LS Link Attributes=
 in BGP-SPF deployments<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt;, Acee Lindem &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ac=
ee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Shawn Zandi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:szandi@linkedin.com" target=3D"_blank">szandi@linkedin.com</=
a>&gt;,
 Wim Henderickx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
Hi Authors, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
I need a small clarification on how the Link IGP-Metric TLV (type 1095) for=
 the links originated=C2=A0by an BGP-SPF speaker look like. My doubt is spe=
cifically on what would be the length of the metric value. For=C2=A0example=
, following is the excerpt from RFC7752 section
 3.3.2.4 which specifies the length to be 1, 2 or 3 bytes for ISIS narrow-m=
etrics, OSPF and ISIS wide-metrics.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:8pt;margin-left:0.5=
in">
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">3.3.2.4.=C2=A0 IGP Metric TL=
V</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The IGP Metric =
TLV carries the metric for this link.=C2=A0 The length of</span><u></u><u><=
/u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 this TLV is var=
iable, depending on the metric width of the underlying</span><u></u><u></u>=
</pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocol.=C2=A0=
 IS-IS small metrics have a length of 1 octet (the two most</span><u></u><u=
></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 significant bit=
s are ignored).=C2=A0 OSPF link metrics have a length of 2</span><u></u><u>=
</u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 octets.=C2=A0 I=
S-IS wide metrics have a length of 3 octets.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 2=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1</span><=
u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u=
><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Type=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Length=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 |</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u=
><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IGP Link Metric (variable length)=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.9pt;margin-left:1.5in;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,253,245);word-break:break-all;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 21: IGP Metric TLV Format</span><u></u><u></u></p=
re>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
What should be the length of the metric field when the origin is a BGP-SPF =
speaker?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
Looking forward to your clarification on this. Also it will be appreciated =
a lot if a sentence or two can be added to the draft clarifying the above i=
n the next version.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
Thanks and regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
-Pushpasis<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:2in">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
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</blockquote>
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From: Boris Hassanov <bhassanov@yahoo.com>
To: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>,  Boris Hassanov <bhassanov=40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,  "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>,  "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>,  "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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 Hi Acee and all,Thank you. Hope that you all are okay.
Yes, I read the new version, some comments are below:6.1.1 says: "Rather, a=
dditional NLRI attributes can be advertised in the BGP-LS SPF AFI/SAFI as r=
equired."=C2=A0 IMO, some examples of such attributes are needed after that=
.
6.2.1 "However, this use case is not very useful since parallel layer-3 lin=
ks between the same two BGP routers are rare in CLOS or Fat-Tree topologies=
." IMO, would be good to change as "...the two BGP routers of the same leve=
l (leaf-leaf, spine-spine)"I would also add some diagram here showing examp=
le of Sparse Peering model.
6.3 BGP Spine/Leaf Topology Policy
This paragraph does not say much about - what kind of policy is needed, why=
 etc.There is the statement that BGP policy can be applied at any level, th=
at it is not needed to advertise BGP-LS NLRI in northbound direction from l=
eaves to spine and an example.
May be I just did not get it, but what is the main message here about topol=
ogy policy?
6.5.1 Peer discovery - cannot comment now, need to read those 3 drafts.6.5.=
2 -yes, agree6.5.3 - I would change from:"This would normally be done on a =
central controller but distributed consistency checking is not precluded." =
to "This would normally be done on central controller or other management t=
ool which can be used for fabric data paths verification."

SY,Boris

     On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:34:28 AM GMT+3, Acee Lindem (acee) <a=
cee=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: =20
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Hi Boris,=20
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Please take a look at the -05 version. I=E2=80=99ve incorporated your comme=
nts.
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Thanks,
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Acee
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From:Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.co=
m>
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 10:45 PM
To: Boris Hassanov <bhassanov=3D40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "lsvr@ietf.org=
" <lsvr@ietf.org>, Gunter Van de Velde <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Janua=
ry 21, 2020)
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Hi Boris,
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Thanks for your comments and detail review.=F0=9F=98=8A
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Ack on all three. We will cover it in next revision.
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Regards,
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Keyur
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From:Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Boris Hassanov <bhassanov=3D=
40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 7:35 AM
To: "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>, "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antw=
erp)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Janua=
ry 21, 2020)
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=C2=A0
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Hi Gunter and all,
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Sorry for the late reply.
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I read the draft and personally support its publication.
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=C2=A0
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Few comments for the next updated version:
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1) The References part needs to be updated since there are newer versions o=
f those drafts are available.
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2)=C2=A0 Can RFC 5549 approach be incorporated for simplification of BGP co=
nnected graph configuration and creation? There is example of such implemen=
tation=C2=A0 for kind of BGP unnumbered peering configuration so it could b=
e useful here too, IMO.
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3) I think that LSVR/BGP-LS SPF has another very important use case: using =
of=C2=A0 of real topology information of CLOS network for monitoring and tr=
oubleshooting instead of using home-made tools for topology verification...=
 Can we extend the draft for such case in the the next version?
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Thanks.
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SY,
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Boris
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On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 9:45:40 AM GMT+3, Van De Velde, Gunter (Noki=
a - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> wrote:
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Tuesday 21 January is approaching soon.
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If you read the draft, please post your comments on document readiness and =
completeness.
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Be well,
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G/
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=C2=A0
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From: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org>On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia =
- BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 16:39
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end January 2=
1, 2020)
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=C2=A0
 Hi All,  =C2=A0  =C2=A0 The LSVR WG initiates a working group last call fo=
r "draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04". Please send your comments to the list=
 before Tuesday January 21.  =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-=
ietf-lsvr-applicability/  =C2=A0 All, please reply on-list indicating if yo=
u're aware of an implementation. If not already completed, please reply on-=
list indicating if you're aware of any relevant IPR.  =C2=A0 Brgds, Gunter =
& Victor LSVR WG co-chairs=20
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Hope that you all are okay.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
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r, additional NLRI attributes can be advertised in the BGP-LS SPF AFI/SAFI =
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that.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">6.2.1 "However, this use case is not very useful si=
nce parallel layer-3 links between the same two BGP routers are rare in CLO=
S or Fat-Tree topologies." IMO, would be good to change as "...t<span>he tw=
o BGP routers of the same level (leaf-leaf, spine-spine)"</span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>I would also add some diagram here =
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setdir=3D"false"><span></span><br></div><div>6.3 BGP Spine/Leaf Topology Po=
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aph does not say much about - what kind of policy is needed, why etc.</div>=
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cy can be applied at any level, that it is not needed to <span>advertise BG=
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span></span> and an example.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><b=
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"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span></span>6.5.1 Peer discovery - cannot comm=
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal">Hi Boris, </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal">Please take a look at the -0=
5 version. I=E2=80=99ve incorporated your comments.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>=20
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Lsvr &lt;lsvr-boun=
ces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Keyur Patel &lt;keyur@arrcus.com&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 10:45 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To: </b>Boris Hassanov &lt;bhassanov=3D40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;, "=
lsvr@ietf.org" &lt;lsvr@ietf.org&gt;, Gunter Van de Velde &lt;gunter.van_de=
_velde@nokia.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to en=
d January 21, 2020)</span></p>=20
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Hi Boris,</p>=20
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&nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
Thanks for your comments and detail review.
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Ack on all three. We will cover it in next revision.</p>=20
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&nbsp;</p>=20
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Keyur</p>=20
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Lsvr &lt;lsvr-boun=
ces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Boris Hassanov &lt;bhassanov=3D40yahoo.com@dm=
arc.ietf.org&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 7:35 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To: </b>"lsvr@ietf.org" &lt;lsvr@ietf.org&gt;, "Van De Velde, Gunter (No=
kia - BE/Antwerp)" &lt;gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to en=
d January 21, 2020)</span></p>=20
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I read the draft and personally support i=
ts publication.</span></p>=20
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Few comments for the next updated version=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">1) The References part needs to be update=
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">2)&nbsp; Can RFC 5549 approach be incorpo=
rated for simplification of BGP connected graph configuration and creation?=
 There is example of such implementation&nbsp;
 for kind of BGP unnumbered peering configuration so it could be useful her=
e too, IMO.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">3) I think that LSVR/BGP-LS SPF has anoth=
er very important use case: using of&nbsp; of real topology information of =
CLOS network for monitoring and troubleshooting
 instead of using home-made tools for topology verification... Can we exten=
d the draft for such case in the the next version?</span></p>=20
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Thanks.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">SY,</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Boris</span></p>=20
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 9:45:40 AM=
 GMT+3, Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &lt;gunter.van_de_velde@n=
okia.com&gt; wrote:
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Tuesday 21 January=
 is approaching soon.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">If you read the dr=
aft, please post your comments on document readiness and completeness.</spa=
n></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Be well,</span></p=
>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">G/</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
=20
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<div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium mediu=
m; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-color: currentcolor;">
<div id=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026yqtfd80831">
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Lsvr &lt;lsvr-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)<br clear=3D"n=
one">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 7, 2020 16:39<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> lsvr@ietf.org<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Ja=
nuary 21, 2020)</span></p>=20
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<div id=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026yqtfd35064">
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">Hi All,</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;"> &nbsp;</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;"> &nbsp;</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">The LSVR WG initiates a working group last call for "draft-ietf-lsv=
r-applicability-04". Please send your comments to the list before Tuesday J=
anuary 21.</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;"> &nbsp;</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"color:#26282A;"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability/" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-appl=
icability/</a></span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;"> &nbsp;</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">All, please reply on-list indicating if you're aware of an implemen=
tation.</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">If not already completed, please reply on-list indicating if you're=
 aware of any relevant IPR.</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;"> &nbsp;</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">Brgds,</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">Gunter &amp; Victor</span></pre>=20
<pre style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-repea=
t: repeat; background-image: none; background-size: auto; background-attach=
ment: scroll;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#2=
12529;">LSVR WG co-chairs</span></pre>=20
<p class=3D"ydpa56b80cdyiv8315842255ydp5dfb36byiv8026670026msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:.5in;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
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