From nobody Thu Jul 2 17:22:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6583A0975; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, lsvr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159373563503.30173.12052736148818269656@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:20:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] lsvr - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 108 X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:20:45 -0000 Dear Gunter Van de Velde, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. lsvr Session 1 (0:50 requested) Thursday, 30 July 2020, Session II 1300-1350 Room Name: Room 6 size: 6 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/lsvr.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Link State Vector Routing Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Gunter Van de Velde Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 50 Minutes Number of Attendees: None Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: idr bess lsr Technology Overlap: ript rtgwg rtgarea spring People who must be present: Gunter Van de Velde Alvaro Retana Victor Kuarsingh Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Jul 25 11:35:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost 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Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsvr@ietf.org Message-ID: <159576817327.31675.5682309509644812028@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 05:56:13 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-06.txt X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:56:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Usage and Applicability of Link State Vector Routing in Data Centers Authors : Keyur Patel Acee Lindem Shawn Zandi Gaurav Dawra Filename : draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2020-07-26 Abstract: This document discusses the usage and applicability of Link State Vector Routing (LSVR) extensions in data center networks utilizing CLOS or Fat-Tree topologies. The document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of LSVR extensions. 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This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Shortest Path Routing Extensions for BGP Protocol Authors : Keyur Patel Acee Lindem Shawn Zandi Wim Henderickx Filename : draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-10.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2020-07-26 Abstract: Many Massively Scaled Data Centers (MSDCs) have converged on simplified layer 3 routing. Furthermore, requirements for operational simplicity have led many of these MSDCs to converge on BGP as their single routing protocol for both their fabric routing and their Data Center Interconnect (DCI) routing. This document describes a solution which leverages BGP Link-State distribution and the Shortest Path First (SPF) algorithm similar to Internal Gateway Protocols (IGPs) such as OSPF. 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Hope you are fine. Comments inline, BKH>, Thank you. SY,Boris On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 9:35:45 PM GMT+3, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: =20 =20 =20 Hi Boris,=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 From:Lsvr on behalf of Boris Hassanov Date: Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:42 PM To: Keyur Patel , Boris Hassanov , "lsvr@ietf.org" , Gunter Van de Velde , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Janua= ry 21, 2020) =20 =C2=A0 =20 Hi Acee and all, =20 Thank you. Hope that you all are okay. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Yes, I read the new version, some comments are below: =20 6.1.1 says: "Rather, additional NLRI attributes can be advertised in the BG= P-LS SPF AFI/SAFI as required."=C2=A0 IMO, some examples of such attributes= are needed after that. =C2=A0 =20 I have two examples in the next revision.=20 =C2=A0 BKH> See it, looks okay.=20 6.2.1 "However, this use case is not very useful since parallel layer-3 lin= ks between the same two BGP routers are rare in CLOS or Fat-Tree topologies= ." IMO, would be good to change as "...the two BGP routers of the same leve= l (leaf-leaf, spine-spine)" =20 =C2=A0 =20 I don=E2=80=99t think that multiple links between the same to two switches = in the fabric are common either. =C2=A0 BKH> I see the point of sparse peering, but " the same two BGP spea= kers" sounds confusing IMO. That is why I would explicitly mention who are = those two BGP speakers and which hierarchy level they do belong (i.e. leaf = and spine, sub-leaf and leaf etc.), as soon as it will be clear the advanta= ges of sparse peering are also more clearer. =20 I would also add some diagram here showing example of Sparse Peering model. =20 =C2=A0 =20 This is very hard with ASCII art. I=E2=80=99ve added some text.=20 BKH> Yes, drawing it in ASCII would be very challenging. I would only add= the reference to section 6.5.1 after this sentence: "each leaf switch woul= d only peer with subset of the spines...". I think it will highlight the pr= actic ogic of Sparse Peering. =20 6.3 BGP Spine/Leaf Topology Policy =20 =C2=A0 =20 This paragraph does not say much about - what kind of policy is needed, why= etc. =20 There is the statement that BGP policy can be applied at any level, that it= is not needed to advertise BGP-LS NLRI in northbound direction from leaves= to spine and an example. =20 I added the example of prefix aggregation. =C2=A0BKH> Agree.=20 =20 6.5.1 Peer discovery - cannot comment now, need to read those 3 drafts. =20 6.5.2 -yes, agree =20 6.5.3 - I would change from:"This would normally be done on a central contr= oller but distributed consistency checking is not precluded." to "This woul= d normally be done on central controller or other management tool which can= be used for fabric data paths verification." =20 =C2=A0 I agree and I have changed.=20 BKH> No more comments yet. Thank you. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Thanks, Acee =20 =C2=A0 =20 SY, =20 Boris =20 =C2=A0 =20 On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:34:28 AM GMT+3, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 Hi Boris,=20 =20 Please take a look at the -05 version. I=E2=80=99ve incorporated your comme= nts. =20 Thanks, =20 Acee =20 =C2=A0 =20 From:Lsvr on behalf of Keyur Patel Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 10:45 PM To: Boris Hassanov , "lsvr@ietf.org= " , Gunter Van de Velde Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Janua= ry 21, 2020) =20 =C2=A0 =20 Hi Boris, =20 =C2=A0 =20 Thanks for your comments and detail review.=F0=9F=98=8A =20 =C2=A0 =20 Ack on all three. We will cover it in next revision. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Regards, =20 Keyur =20 =C2=A0 =20 From:Lsvr on behalf of Boris Hassanov Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 7:35 AM To: "lsvr@ietf.org" , "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antw= erp)" Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Janua= ry 21, 2020) =20 =C2=A0 =20 Hi Gunter and all, =20 =C2=A0 =20 Sorry for the late reply. =20 I read the draft and personally support its publication. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Few comments for the next updated version: =20 1) The References part needs to be updated since there are newer versions o= f those drafts are available. =20 2)=C2=A0 Can RFC 5549 approach be incorporated for simplification of BGP co= nnected graph configuration and creation? There is example of such implemen= tation=C2=A0 for kind of BGP unnumbered peering configuration so it could b= e useful here too, IMO. =20 3) I think that LSVR/BGP-LS SPF has another very important use case: using = of=C2=A0 of real topology information of CLOS network for monitoring and tr= oubleshooting instead of using home-made tools for topology verification...= Can we extend the draft for such case in the the next version? =20 =C2=A0 =20 Thanks. =20 =C2=A0 =20 SY, =20 Boris =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 9:45:40 AM GMT+3, Van De Velde, Gunter (Noki= a - BE/Antwerp) wrote: =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 Tuesday 21 January is approaching soon. =20 If you read the draft, please post your comments on document readiness and = completeness. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Be well, =20 G/ =20 =C2=A0 =20 From: Lsvr On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 16:39 To: lsvr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end January 2= 1, 2020) =20 =C2=A0 Hi All, =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The LSVR WG initiates a working group last call fo= r "draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04". Please send your comments to the list= before Tuesday January 21. =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= ietf-lsvr-applicability/ =C2=A0 All, please reply on-list indicating if yo= u're aware of an implementation. If not already completed, please reply on-= list indicating if you're aware of any relevant IPR. =C2=A0 Brgds, Gunter = & Victor LSVR WG co-chairs=20 =C2=A0 =20 _______________________________________________ Lsvr mailing list Lsvr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr =20 _______________________________________________ Lsvr mailing list Lsvr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr _______________________________________________ Lsvr mailing list Lsvr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr =20 ------=_Part_5975690_983024616.1595964530198 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Acee,

S= orry for delay. Hope you are fine. Comments inline, BKH>,

Thank you.

SY,
Boris

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On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 9:35:45 PM GMT+3, Acee Lind= em (acee) <acee=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:


Hi Boris,

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= From: Lsvr <lsvr-boun= ces@ietf.org> on behalf of Boris Hassanov <bhassanov=3D40yahoo.com@dm= arc.ietf.org>
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:42 PM
To: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, Boris Hassanov <bhassan= ov=3D40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>,= Gunter Van de Velde <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>, "Acee Lindem (a= cee)" <acee=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to en= d January 21, 2020)

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= Hi Acee and all,

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= Thank you. Hope that you all are okay.

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= Yes, I read the new version, some comment= s are below:

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= 6.1.1 says: "Rather, additional NLRI attr= ibutes can be advertised in the BGP-LS SPF AFI/SAFI as required."  IMO= , some examples of such attributes are needed after that.

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I have two examples in the n= ext revision.

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  BKH> See it, looks oka= y.
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= 6.2.1 "However, this use case is not very= useful since parallel layer-3 links between the same two BGP routers are r= are in CLOS or Fat-Tree topologies." IMO, would be good to change as "...the two BGP routers of the same level = (leaf-leaf, spine-spine)"

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I don=E2=80=99t think that m= ultiple links between the same to two switches in the fabric are common eit= her.

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  BKH> I see the poi= nt of sparse peering, but " the same two BGP speakers" sounds confusing IMO= . That is why I would explicitly mention who are those two BGP speakers and= which hierarchy level they do belong (i.e. leaf and spine, sub-leaf and le= af etc.), as soon as it will be clear the advantages of sparse peering are = also more clearer.

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= I would also add some diagram here showin= g example of Sparse Peering model.

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This is very hard with ASCII= art. I=E2=80=99ve added some text.=20

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BKH> Yes, drawing it in ASCII would= be very challenging. I would only add the reference to section 6.5.1 after= this sentence: "each leaf switch would only peer with subset of the spines= ...". I think it will highlight the practic ogic of Sparse Peering.
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= 6.3 BGP Spine/Leaf Topology Policy=

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= This paragraph does not say much about - = what kind of policy is needed, why etc.

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= There is the statement that BGP policy ca= n be applied at any level, that it is not needed to advertise BGP-LS NLRI i= n northbound direction from leaves to spine and an example.

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I added the example of prefi= x aggregation.

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 BKH> Agree.

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= 6.5.1 Peer discovery - cannot comment now= , need to read those 3 drafts.

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= 6.5.2 -yes, agree

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= 6.5.3 - I would change from:"This would n= ormally be done on a central controller but distributed consistency checkin= g is not precluded." to "This would normally be done on central controller or other management tool which can = be used for fabric data paths verification."

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I agree and I have changed= .

BKH> No more comments yet. Thank you.
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Thanks,

Acee

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= SY,

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= Boris

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= On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:34:28 AM GMT+3, Acee Lindem (acee) <ace= e=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

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Hi Boris,=20

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Please take a look at the -05 version. I=E2=80=99ve= incorporated your comments.

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Thanks,

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Acee

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F= rom: Lsvr <lsvr-boun= ces@ietf.org> on behalf of Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 10:45 PM
To: Boris Hassanov <bhassanov=3D40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "= lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>, Gunter Van de Velde <gunter.van_de= _velde@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to en= d January 21, 2020)

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Hi Boris,

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Thanks for your comments and detail review. =F0=9F=98=8A

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Ack on all three. We will cover it in next revisio= n.

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Regards,

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Keyur

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F= rom: Lsvr <lsvr-boun= ces@ietf.org> on behalf of Boris Hassanov <bhassanov=3D40yahoo.com@dm= arc.ietf.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 7:35 AM
To: "lsvr@ietf.org" <lsvr@ietf.org>, "Van De Velde, Gunter (No= kia - BE/Antwerp)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to en= d January 21, 2020)

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Hi Gunter and al= l,

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Sorry for the la= te reply.

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I read the draft= and personally support its publication.

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Few comments for= the next updated version:

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1) The Reference= s part needs to be updated since there are newer versions of those drafts a= re available.

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2)  Can RFC= 5549 approach be incorporated for simplification of BGP connected graph co= nfiguration and creation? There is example of such implementation  for kind of BGP unnumbered peering configuration so it could be useful here to= o, IMO.

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3) I think that = LSVR/BGP-LS SPF has another very important use case: using of  of real= topology information of CLOS network for monitoring and troubleshooting instead of using home-made tools for topology verification... Can we exten= d the draft for such case in the the next version?

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 =20

Thanks.=20

 =20

SY,

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Boris

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On Thursday, Jan= uary 16, 2020, 9:45:40 AM GMT+3, Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) = <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> wrote:

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Tuesday 21 January is approaching soon.

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If you read the draft, please post your c= omments on document readiness and completeness.

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Be well,

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G/

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From: Lsvr <lsvr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 16:39
To: lsvr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsvr] WGLC for draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-04 (to end Ja= nuary 21, 2020)

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Hi All,
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The LSVR WG initiates a working group last call for "draft-ietf-lsvr-=
applicability-04". Please send your comments to the list before Tuesday Jan=
uary 21.
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-applic=
ability/
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All, please reply on-list indicating if you're aware of an implementa=
tion.
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If not already completed, please reply on-list indicating if you're a=
ware of any relevant IPR.
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=20 
Brgds,
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Gunter & Victor
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LSVR WG co-chairs
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------=_Part_5975690_983024616.1595964530198-- From nobody Wed Jul 29 14:58:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsvr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsvr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001EA3A0645; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:58:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsvr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsvr@ietf.org Message-ID: <159605993183.25371.3148933054707383030@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:58:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsvr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl-06.txt X-BeenThere: lsvr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Vector Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:58:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Vector Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Layer 3 Discovery and Liveness Authors : Randy Bush Rob Austein Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl-06.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2020-07-29 Abstract: In Massive Data Centers, BGP-SPF and similar routing protocols are used to build topology and reachability databases. These protocols need to discover IP Layer 3 attributes of links, such as neighbor IP addressing, logical link IP encapsulation abilities, and link liveness. This Layer 3 Discovery and Liveness protocol collects these data, which may then be disseminated using BGP-SPF and similar protocols. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/