Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAR9S84r081595; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id kAR9S8cZ081594; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [212.234.46.16]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAR9S7Pp081583 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr) Received: from [193.51.14.5] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edelweb.fr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id kAR9Rq528711; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:27:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from [193.51.14.5] (emeriau.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.5]) by edelweb.fr (nospam/2.4); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:27:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <456AAF20.4020401@edelweb.fr> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:25:52 +0100 From: Peter Sylvester User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Wallace CC: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: Re: LTANS summary References: <886F5D4C78AFB14D87261206BFB9612E1BCCC976@scygmxs1.cygnacom.com> In-Reply-To: <886F5D4C78AFB14D87261206BFB9612E1BCCC976@scygmxs1.cygnacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070202040708040708070905" Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070202040708040708070905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carl Wallace wrote: > Seems like you are suggesting we have one appendix that imports from > PKIX/CMS and another that uses later syntax. That seems like a good way > forward to me. Tobias should have all of the materials necessary to produce > the two appendices. > yes, basically. It seems that the intention of the comments from Russ are to help implementers as much as possible. To me this means that 1 - there should be a syntax that allows to use new asn.1 syntactic features so that compiler features may be used as much as possible, e.g. to avoid some hand coded additions for constraints or to type reolution. 2 - making a complementary syntax to help those who use tools from the last millenaire :-) It is not the current syntax that is normative because it is richer. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Sylvester [mailto:Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr] >> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:11 AM >> To: Carl Wallace >> Cc: saag@mit.edu; ietf-ltans@imc.org >> Subject: Re: LTANS summary >> >> The LTANS minutes contain the following: >> >> "ERS completed working group last call. A new version will >> be posted that addresses some offlist comments that were >> submitted during last call. That version will be cross-posted >> to the S/MIME working group to elicit wider review prior to >> submission to IESG, which will ideally occur before the end >> of the year. One comment related to the source for the >> ContentInfo and AlgorithmIdentifier IMPORT statements in the >> ASN.1 module. Russ indicated that free compiler support was >> still lacking and recommended that we maintain the CMS and >> PKIX IMPORTS. There was no objection, so this change will >> not be made in version -09. " >> >> First: making a decision in this way doesn't seem >> appropriate. people present at the meeting are not >> necessarily representative. >> >> I object strongly: It is absolutely necessary to provide an >> ASN1 module that uses current ASN.1 in order to allow modern >> compilers to work. 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SMTP id kAPKGMhc076414 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CWallace@cygnacom.com) Received: (qmail 15664 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2006 20:04:38 -0000 Received: from CWallace@cygnacom.com by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with EntrustECS-Server-7.4;25 Nov 2006 20:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scygmxs1.cygnacom.com) (10.60.50.7) by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2006 20:04:38 -0000 Received: by scygmxs1.cygnacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:15:37 -0500 Message-ID: <886F5D4C78AFB14D87261206BFB9612E1BCCC976@scygmxs1.cygnacom.com> From: Carl Wallace To: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: RE: LTANS summary Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:15:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C710A4.7F2A0650"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C710A4.7F2A0650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like you are suggesting we have one appendix that imports from PKIX/CMS and another that uses later syntax. That seems like a good way forward to me. Tobias should have all of the materials necessary to produce the two appendices. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Sylvester [mailto:Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr] > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:11 AM > To: Carl Wallace > Cc: saag@mit.edu; ietf-ltans@imc.org > Subject: Re: LTANS summary > > The LTANS minutes contain the following: > > "ERS completed working group last call. A new version will > be posted that addresses some offlist comments that were > submitted during last call. That version will be cross-posted > to the S/MIME working group to elicit wider review prior to > submission to IESG, which will ideally occur before the end > of the year. One comment related to the source for the > ContentInfo and AlgorithmIdentifier IMPORT statements in the > ASN.1 module. Russ indicated that free compiler support was > still lacking and recommended that we maintain the CMS and > PKIX IMPORTS. There was no objection, so this change will > not be made in version -09. " > > First: making a decision in this way doesn't seem > appropriate. people present at the meeting are not > necessarily representative. > > I object strongly: It is absolutely necessary to provide an > ASN1 module that uses current ASN.1 in order to allow modern > compilers to work. 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balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id kANADnuI089350; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [212.234.46.16]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kANADmTI089341 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr) Received: from [193.51.14.5] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edelweb.fr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id kANADO524362; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:13:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from [193.51.14.5] (emeriau.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.5]) by edelweb.fr (nospam/2.4); Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:13:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <456573CD.2090208@edelweb.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:11:25 +0100 From: Peter Sylvester User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Wallace CC: saag@mit.edu, ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: Re: LTANS summary References: <886F5D4C78AFB14D87261206BFB9612E1BCCC552@scygmxs1.cygnacom.com> In-Reply-To: <886F5D4C78AFB14D87261206BFB9612E1BCCC552@scygmxs1.cygnacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000907000405020205040401" Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000907000405020205040401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The LTANS minutes contain the following: "ERS completed working group last call. A new version will be posted that addresses some offlist comments that were submitted during last call. That version will be cross-posted to the S/MIME working group to elicit wider review prior to submission to IESG, which will ideally occur before the end of the year. One comment related to the source for the ContentInfo and AlgorithmIdentifier IMPORT statements in the ASN.1 module. Russ indicated that free compiler support was still lacking and recommended that we maintain the CMS and PKIX IMPORTS. There was no objection, so this change will not be made in version -09. " First: making a decision in this way doesn't seem appropriate. people present at the meeting are not necessarily representative. I object strongly: It is absolutely necessary to provide an ASN1 module that uses current ASN.1 in order to allow modern compilers to work. It is unacceptable to force compiler writers to maintain a difficult and obsololete syntax form, in fact a feature that is assumed not to be implementable correctly at all. It is possible though to provide a module in obsolete syntax that make some existing tools happy. The modules from which imports are done are rather complicated because the also use rather new features of ASN1 like parameterized types. 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(MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com (scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com [65.242.48.253]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id kAA1u6Ue090660 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CWallace@cygnacom.com) Received: (qmail 19324 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from CWallace@cygnacom.com by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with EntrustECS-Server-7.4;10 Nov 2006 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scygmxs1.cygnacom.com) (10.60.50.7) by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 01:44:45 -0000 Received: by scygmxs1.cygnacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: <886F5D4C78AFB14D87261206BFB9612E1BCCC552@scygmxs1.cygnacom.com> From: Carl Wallace To: saag@mit.edu Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: LTANS summary Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:56:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7046B.5ECC50BC" Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7046B.5ECC50BC Content-Type: text/plain LTANS held a short meeting to review the status of the active working group documents. The Evidence Record Syntax (ERS) draft has completed working group last call. A new version will be posted to address a few comments that were received. This new version will be cross-posted to the S/MIME working group to garner additional review. The Long-Term Archive Protocol (LTAP) document will be the focus as work on ERS winds down. Two drafts related to preserving verification data separate from archived data will progress after ERS is submitted to the IESG. A CRL extension in the appendix of one draft will possibly be dropped pending a survey of existing client behavior when using a CRL generated after the time of interest of a verification operation. Two new drafts were reviewed. One describes the overall architecture of services using the ERS and LTAP specs. The other defines processing rules for using RFC3161 timestamps within an Evidence Record. A straw poll will be conducted on the mailing list to determine if these documents are accepted as working group work items. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7046B.5ECC50BC Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LTANS summary

LTANS held a short meeting to review the status of = the active working group documents.  The Evidence Record Syntax = (ERS) draft has completed working group last call.  A new version = will be posted to address a few comments that were received.  This = new version will be cross-posted to the S/MIME working group to garner = additional review.  The Long-Term Archive Protocol (LTAP) document = will be the focus as work on ERS winds down.  Two drafts related = to preserving verification data separate from archived data will = progress after ERS is submitted to the IESG.  A CRL extension in = the appendix of one draft will possibly be dropped pending a survey of = existing client behavior when using a CRL generated after the time of = interest of a verification operation.  Two new drafts were = reviewed.  One describes the overall architecture of services = using the ERS and LTAP specs.  The other defines processing rules = for using RFC3161 timestamps within an Evidence Record.  A straw = poll will be conducted on the mailing list to determine if these = documents are accepted as working group work items.

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The draft minutes from today's LTANS WG meeting is = available on the meeting materials page along with the = presentations:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.= cgi?meeting_num=3D67.  The minutes can be found here: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/minutes/ltans.t= xt.

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Here are a few questions/comments regarding = draft-ietf-ltans-ari-00.txt.

1) Section 3 states the following: "An LTANS = system consists in its minimum implementation of a service speaking the = LTAP protocol, a data management system organizing the data by = grouping, building hashtrees and executing renewal procedures, a = storage media where the system keeps the initial documents (for the = case of later Hashtree renewals) and the evidence records and a trusted = time stamp source which would best be provided by an independent = trusted third party."

I disagree with this as the baseline for minimal = support.  Specifically, I don't think LTAP support is required and = I don't think hashtree support is required.  A simple archive may = accept input through some existing mechanism (or operate on already = stored data) and generate evidence records for individual = documents.  I don't think we want to preclude this.  In other = words, a minimal system may simply generate and maintain = EvidenceRecords containing all required fields.  Of course, this = is a bit at odds with the requirements draft.

2) Later in Section 3, the following is stated: = "It is recommended to integrate any necessary verification data at = this step into the document as e.g. specified in = RFC3126..."

Why is this recommended?  There are approaches = that allow this data to be decoupled from the verification data to = avoid repeated storage (and preservation) of the same items, avoid = freezing the verification context, etc.

3) The eight paragraph of Section 3 only cites = algorithm weakness as grounds for renewing the timestamp.  TSA = rekey, expiration, revocation, etc. should also be mentioned.  Use = of redundant TSAs may be worth mentioning.

4) Should redundant storage mechanisms be = mentioned?

5) Suggest changing the docName to = draft-ietf-ltans-arch-nn.
 

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Note, barring the emergence of a Jabber scribe, the Jabber room will be for inbound questions and comments only.  The audio feed will be the means to track the proceedings.

From: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Gondrom
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:18 PM
To: ietf-ltans@imc.org
Subject: LTANS meeting tomorrow at IETF in San Diego: Audio, Slides, etc.
Importance: High

Hello,

for all those members of LTANS who will not be able to attend the meeting in San Diego tomorrow in person.

There will be an audio stream and the slides can be found at:

Agenda: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/ltans.txt

Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=67

Audio: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/


Long-term Archive and Notary Services (LTANS) Working Group

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Thursday, November 9, 2006 - 1510-1610 Afternoon Session II

Agenda:

Introduction/Preliminary stuff          - 5 minutes

Milestone Review                        - 5 minutes

ERS update                              - 5 minutes

ERS/SCVP update                         - 5 minutes

PKI Retention update                    - 5 minutes

LTAP update                             - 5 minutes

Architecture document review            - 10 minutes

Validation document review              - 10 minutes

Future/Milestone recap/Wrap-up          - 5 minutes


Please note: AFAIK we do not have a scribe for Jabber, so this part is still open.

(text conferencing: http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/text_conf.html )

Have a nice day, see or hear you online tomorrow,

Tobias


__________________________________________
Tobias Gondrom
Head of Open Text Security Team

Open Text Corporation
Technopark 2
Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 20
D-85630 Grasbrunn

Phone: +49 (0) 89 4629-1816
Mobile: +49 (0) 173 5942987
Telefax: +49 (0) 89 4629-33-1816
eMail: mailto:tobias.gondrom@opentext.com
Internet: http://www.opentext.com/ 

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Hello,

for = all those members of LTANS who will not be able to attend the meeting in = San Diego tomorrow = in person.

There = will be an audio stream and the slides can be found = at:

Agenda: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/ltans.txt

Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?= meeting_num=3D67

Audio: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/=


Long-term Archive and Notary Services (LTANS) Working = Group

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Thursday, November 9, 2006 - 1510-1610 Afternoon Session = II

Agenda:

Introduction/Preliminary stuff  =         - 5 minutes

Milestone Review        =         =         - 5 minutes =

ERS update      =         =         =         - 5 minutes

ERS/SCVP update          =        =         - 5 minutes =

PKI Retention update    =         =         - 5 minutes

LTAP update     =         =         =         - 5 minutes

Architecture document review    =         - 10 = minutes

Validation document review      =         - 10 = minutes

Future/Milestone recap/Wrap-up  =         - 5 minutes =


Please note: AFAIK we do not have a scribe for Jabber, so this part is still = open.

(text = conferencing: http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/text_conf.html= = )

Have = a nice day, see or hear you online tomorrow,

Tobias


__________________________________________
Tobias = Gondrom
Head of = Open Text Security Team

Open Text = Corporation
Technopark 2
Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 20
D-85630 Grasbrunn

Phone: +49 (0) 89 4629-1816
Mobile: +49 (0) 173 5942987
Telefax: +49 (0) 89 4629-33-1816
eMail: mailto:tobias.gondrom@opentex= t.com
Internet: http://www.opentext.com/  =

This = e-mail is protected by domestic and international copyright laws and = treaties and is the property of Open Text Corporation, it may contain = confidential and/or trade secret information of the Open Text = Corporation and/or its subsidiaries (OTC), and may be subject to legal = privilege in favor of OTC. This e-mail may only be lawfully received, = accessed, displayed on a computer screen, printed, copied, and/or used = by the specific addressee(s) named above (“Authorized = Recipient”) for the purpose for which it was sent by OTC. All = other rights and licenses to this e-mail are fully reserved to OTC. If = you are not an Authorized Recipient, you are required to immediately = delete this e-mail in its entirety without printing, copying, using, = and/or re-transmitting this e-mail, either in whole or in part. The = transmission of this e-mail by OTC is not to be construed as a waiver by = OTC and/or the individual sending this e-mail on behalf of OTC of any of = their respective rights or privileges at law or otherwise, howsoever = arising.

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