From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 3 08:41:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4C528C652; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:41:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.031 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.031 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.594, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dpY2tABSTEAw; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF8D3A6C1B; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C673328C107 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:40:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5Xt5egvRqZT for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound6-sin-R.bigfish.com (outbound-sin.frontbridge.com [207.46.51.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799B228C0EE for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound6-sin.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound6-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97C5A39A23 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail146-sin-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.40.3]) by outbound6-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEE8C7805E for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail146-sin (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail146-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFF31798172 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VP X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 64.14.251.196; Service: EHS Received: by mail146-sin (MessageSwitch) id 1204562236818360_3804; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:37:16 +0000 (UCT) Received: from USCCIMTA02.spe.sony.com (unknown [64.14.251.196]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail146-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9059C37806C for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from usmail02.spe.sony.com ([43.130.148.26]) by USCCIMTA02.spe.sony.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5) with ESMTP id 2008030308365864-88088 ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:36:58 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: ltru@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 CCH7 December 15, 2006 From: Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:34:05 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on USMAIL02/SVR/SPE(Release 6.5.5FP1|April 11, 2006) at 03/03/2008 08:34:04, Serialize complete at 03/03/2008 08:34:04, Itemize by SMTP Server on USCCiMTA02/SVR/SPE(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 03/03/2008 08:36:58 AM, Serialize by Router on USCCiMTA02/SVR/SPE(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 03/03/2008 08:37:16 AM, Serialize complete at 03/03/2008 08:37:16 AM Subject: [Ltru] ABNF/3166 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1464302077==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1464302077== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005AC97188257401_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005AC97188257401_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I think the ABNF in the draft should unambiguously indicate that the source for region data is ISO 3166-1. We have had requestors try to use ISO 3166-2 to indicate subregions of a country in the past (Valencia comes to mind). Today it just says "ISO 3166" without specifying which part. Regards, Karen Broome Metadata Systems Designer Sony Pictures Entertainment 310.244.4384 --=_alternative 005AC97188257401_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I think the ABNF in the draft should unambiguously indicate that the source for region data is ISO 3166-1. We have had requestors try to use ISO 3166-2 to indicate subregions of a country in the past (Valencia comes to mind). Today it just says "ISO 3166" without specifying which part.

Regards,

Karen Broome
Metadata Systems Designer
Sony Pictures Entertainment
310.244.4384 --=_alternative 005AC97188257401_=-- --===============1464302077== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============1464302077==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 3 09:06:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA2328C28D; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.305 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.305 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N2myJDnOztgj; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC26428C28B; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610823A6C16 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mv-6KBJ77Z10 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845183A69E3 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i36so106347gve.15 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=cjz/1QIp65doCLvoGvL7WMbl4B0TDkazXVC9wsC1EVs=; b=CCPJd/FL0qWBZ2QDHlZIN1qx/BKiE6+RFrl5mXjdO9zqagxWUKDvB66ipBTLCR8bbW1ZttkaeE2DEEEkOX5SegPLF+kiDzGx7AWuGNq6vr12SxhYR+F89prU+KxTSMtZD+4G2s+eWOZ1zm0zJToQcUPfeG1Cw7y3dIAsgsDTKkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=k9FL3DBSxK/y2EeWBkX/p1yFP62F7DYfsHpBdn2VsFlEqeTE0mFofJdskzy6KD3WJ7LAyZxQQWB2+Tl8Hp9JjU0XMczmAQXq6SpjnqRLAPoTZ3CZDVRr7tt4GE5Q/3p2HFSCO0eVsQTpEaKkVo99OeF1bcnJ1E6GxmeobFXFqKA= Received: by 10.142.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr150358wfw.185.1204563972842; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.174.8 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <30b660a20803030906ieb50748kbce3f9bb7e793eba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:06:12 -0800 From: "Mark Davis" To: Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 16c1559090b55948 Cc: ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] ABNF/3166 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org I agree. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:34 AM, wrote: > > I think the ABNF in the draft should unambiguously indicate that the source > for region data is ISO 3166-1. We have had requestors try to use ISO 3166-2 > to indicate subregions of a country in the past (Valencia comes to mind). > Today it just says "ISO 3166" without specifying which part. > > Regards, > > Karen Broome > Metadata Systems Designer > Sony Pictures Entertainment > 310.244.4384 > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > -- Mark _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 4 10:00:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B22128C5C1; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.744 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.744 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.307, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZKfPLVPKvMCO; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DD028C5F5; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:08 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C6628C568 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O8+mgjz17EbQ for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.150]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCAB28C53D for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.21.37.80] (duringperson-lx.corp.yahoo.com [172.21.37.80]) by rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m24HxO5G072426; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:59:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K12Mcnnb0CfP7DQ2+S5eR/O7wvfv8B1EX4BinSfgrZN9w3PHiabMUkams0zwg2VG Message-ID: <47CD8DFC.8030904@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:59:24 -0800 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Davis References: <30b660a20803030906ieb50748kbce3f9bb7e793eba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803030906ieb50748kbce3f9bb7e793eba@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com, ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] ABNF/3166 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Done. Addison Mark Davis wrote: > I agree. > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:34 AM, wrote: >> I think the ABNF in the draft should unambiguously indicate that the source >> for region data is ISO 3166-1. We have had requestors try to use ISO 3166-2 >> to indicate subregions of a country in the past (Valencia comes to mind). >> Today it just says "ISO 3166" without specifying which part. >> >> Regards, >> >> Karen Broome >> Metadata Systems Designer >> Sony Pictures Entertainment >> 310.244.4384 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ltru mailing list >> Ltru@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru >> >> > > > -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 8 10:33:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF3E3A69A7; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id POtY6hFcOqUy; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3758F3A699D; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E983A6999 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:33:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wiETf-P8t9wz for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-1.mailobj.net (relay-1.mailobj.net [195.234.90.136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7612E3A69D6 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcourrier.com (webmail-2.in.mailobj.net [192.168.90.139]) by relay-1.mailobj.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B4B6447914 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:31:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [89.2.186.89] by webmail-2.netcourrier.com via html interface From: Nicolas Krebs To: ltru@ietf.org Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:30:53 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Medianet/v2.0 Message-Id: Subject: [Ltru] RFC 4646 and ISO TC46 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org (For the records and the archives.) Someone wrote in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.idn/1676 that some part of RFC 4646 has been "defeated at ISO TC46". Is this true? _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 8 11:02:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7F33A69EA; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zm998zKlDB0B; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FE63A6894; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:02:15 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93703A6894 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:02:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id npa2vvo6IyUA for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F293A67A9 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:02:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=JoYNf2Dcwv8g16B41A4TLFqIm/0DgdWdzuIlszOsUk9cOqKhTpiC8N9Al3QPlTTJ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.78.110] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JY4Gq-0006P7-LE for ltru@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c8814e$a9610880$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:00:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8885d2a9c731cc89117849539da93ca2cd92651b601cf5c6c0c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.78.110 Subject: Re: [Ltru] RFC 4646 and ISO TC46 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Hi - > From: "Nicolas Krebs" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: [Ltru] RFC 4646 and ISO TC46 > > (For the records and the archives.) > > Someone wrote in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.idn/1676 > that some part of RFC 4646 has been "defeated at ISO TC46". > Is this true? The statement makes no sense. RFC 4646 is an IETF BCP, not an ISO document. Due to his persistent disruptive misbehavior, and pursuant to RFC 3683, the posting privileges of author of that article were revoked in this WG about two years ago. I strongly suggest not bringing his disinformation onto this list, even by reference. Randy ltru co-chair _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 14 09:59:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582113A6EA0; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.774 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.774 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.337, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eHmZypi7N9Fu; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868F73A6E16; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C333A6DC5 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ubOjhOn0418 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.150]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A490B28C29E for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.72.77.118] (snvvpn2-10-72-77-c118.corp.yahoo.com [10.72.77.118]) by rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2EGueCq022142 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject: content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aI6huAMFwAJbo8UwqqoeMB5I+QOIdpqLSsFf8o8IbN8s+0Bjbl/SJXop9Vc1wK5v Message-ID: <47DAAE48.6060300@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:56:40 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'LTRU Working Group'" Subject: [Ltru] draft-12 submitted... X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org I just now submitted draft-12 using the tool. Alas, since the tool doesn't pick up the author's data from our documents correctly, we are in the manual submission process. There is also the current moratorium due to IETF-71. Look for the updated draft to be officially posted after that. Please note that I have also updated inter-locale with the submitted version: http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.txt http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.html http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.xml WDiff: http://tinyurl.com/2nybuo Note: inter-locale.com may be down intermittently over the next few days. I'm having the DSL line upgraded. Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 15 17:44:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE13E3A6B03; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.364 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.364 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5295gNget4Rx; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC553A698C; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7E23A6AA7 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d04kx1VKre4W for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 81E1A3A698C for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16888 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 00:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.167.184.182) by smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.182) with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2008 00:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c886fe$986fd460$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> From: "Doug Ewell" To: 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DA29A3A6969 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jx6tDwbF+FE9 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.150]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A843A67AE for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.72.77.118] (snvvpn2-10-72-77-c118.corp.yahoo.com [10.72.77.118]) by rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2G1qRTs004807; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:52:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kv/PEa/kGBCBCgrscbWr0JjWxfiGbsngo+xdgaKRyDL9yHbAEAtIno2dJ4DD9Lgq Message-ID: <47DC7D5B.7040300@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:52:27 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Ewell References: <001701c886fe$986fd460$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> In-Reply-To: <001701c886fe$986fd460$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Editorial comments on draft-4646bis-12 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Editor hat on; responses follow. > > > Section 2, introduction: > > The space after the comma in the passage "primary for human > communication,such as" has been deleted. Please add it back. Done. > > > Section 2.1, 2nd paragraph: > > The last sentence mentions "the subtag registry" before it has actually > been defined or described anywhere. I suggest adding a reference to > Section 3, or at the very least making the reference a bit more formal: > > "Thus, a parser need not have an up-to-date copy (or any copy at all) of > the IANA Language Subtag Registry to perform most searching and matching > operations." Done, although I edited the sentence somewhat in order to address this issue. It now reads: -- Thus, a parser need not have a list of valid tags or subtags (such as a copy of some version of the IANA Language Subtag Registry) in order to perform common searching and matching operations. -- I admit to some pain removing the pithy "or any copy at all". > > > Section 2.2.4: > > This section should have all remaining references to "ISO 3166" changed > to "ISO 3166-1", in keeping with the recent change made in the ABNF. > For example, the passages in Section 2.2.4, item 3 about "ISO 3166 > alpha-2 codes" could be misinterpreted or deliberately twisted to refer > to ISO 3166-2 alpha-2 code elements such as "OR". I would actually > recommend searching the entire document for "ISO 3166" and changing each > instance to "ISO 3166-1" unless the result would be simply wrong. Done. I did a search-and-replace. Note that a few instances of naked "ISO 3166" remain. These are all references to ISO 3166 as a standards body or in general. When in doubt, I made it ISO 3166-1. > > > Section 3.1.6, 2nd paragraph from the end: > > This section continues to state: "The field 'Preferred-Value' MUST NOT > be modified once created in the registry." While AFAIK there was no > declared consensus to change this, I was quite sure there was popular > support for making this field mutable, so that users of the Registry > would not have to follow a sequence of P-V's, say from "i-hak" to > "zh-hakka" to "hak". I had been delaying the release of > draft-4645bis-05 in anticipation of this change, but seeing none, I will > go ahead and release the draft with the same P-V's as before. (Q: Why a > new draft-4645bis? A: Because the ISO 639-3 code lists have changed.) (editor hat off) I think a declaration from the chairs on this item is in order. I thought it was at or near consensus myself. (retrieves editor's hat) > > > Section 4.2, 3rd paragraph, just before bullet points: > > Change spelling of "very" to "vary". Done. > > > Section 8, 29th bullet point (6th from the end): > > The reference to RFC 4324 looks erroneous, and probably should be RFC > 5234. It's a typo. Fixed. Also: replaced with an so that it'll stay fixed. > > > Section 9 generally: > > I was surprised to see RFC 4645, which pertained to RFC 4646, listed as > a normative reference while draft-4645bis, which pertains to the present > draft, is only listed as informative. I think this is because Section > 2.2.4, item 3 (E) makes reference to RFC 4645, and that item has not > been changed since it appeared in RFC 4646. Actually, this is deliberate and probably NOT an error. RFC 4645 did, in fact, define the list in question. There is a reference to the document in normative language in Section 2.2.4, item 3, subitem E. All references to 4645bis (aka "registry-update") are informative in that the document plays no role in any of the normative language of 4646bis. I suppose a case could be made that instructions to IANA on where to get the updated registry would be normative, though. Incidentally, RFC 4645 was an *informative* reference to RFC 4646. It was promoted because normative language was added in this version requiring a look at the list in 4645 in that one very special case. > > > Section 9.1, 17th item (2nd from the end): > > Change spelling of "Freitag" to "Freytag". If Asmus were on the list, I > would leave it up to him to correct the spelling or form of his name, > but I don't think he is. Done. > > > Section 9.2, 9th item (5th from the end): > > Change month "12" to "December". Perhaps surprisingly, the rfc2xml tool > doesn't automatically substitute month names when a numeric month and no > day are given. Perhaps one day... Done. -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 15 23:22:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112063A6848; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.351, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EbwtblWdsyqX; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with 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h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qpug6mkCXwDOmvIgO1njMNLsaarNl1yBN4LN9wsTeiDT/K3mIIHSUH3oDogmupUa6DO/hDoc2KhYLEZ6owHzny1evsKf0FSNwq1utQ+Z6zNElwEIoPpAYeL+OAky7/HKHXHdn9hWfU/1Iy5Jg3yqBSn5WWKM9kdHDq6xkjUViTY= Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr22603rvi.269.1205755513159; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.166.2 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5b0cbc7c0803170505s7a965775gb939bcfb5ec17f12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:05:12 +0100 From: LB To: "Randy Presuhn" In-Reply-To: <001001c8814e$a9610880$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001001c8814e$a9610880$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> Cc: ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] RFC 4646 and ISO TC46 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org I received a copy of the response from the author. I can see that this is a difficulty of some Anglo-Saxon (United Kingdom, Ireland, US) to remove themselves from the outdated theories of Chomsky. ISO TC46 has in fact expressed its disinterest in their proposal to extend the same mistake with ISO. The important point now is to work together on the multilinguisrtics discipline (multiple languages parallel usage and support) to find solutions to maintain interoperability of the IANA registry with all the other works in line with the WSIS and the Multilingual Internet. Sincerely 2008/3/8, Randy Presuhn : > Hi - > > > From: "Nicolas Krebs" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:30 AM > > Subject: [Ltru] RFC 4646 and ISO TC46 > > > > > (For the records and the archives.) > > > > Someone wrote in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.idn/1676 > > that some part of RFC 4646 has been "defeated at ISO TC46". > > Is this true? > > > The statement makes no sense. RFC 4646 is an IETF BCP, not an > ISO document. Due to his persistent disruptive misbehavior, and > pursuant to RFC 3683, the posting privileges of author of that > article were revoked in this WG about two years ago. I strongly > suggest not bringing his disinformation onto this list, even by > reference. > > Randy > ltru co-chair > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > -- LB _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 12:15:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A06228C477; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZOHs3I70yZBI; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F05D28C293; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@ietf.org Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id E557C3A6E76; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: <20080317191502.E557C3A6E76@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ltru@ietf.org Subject: [Ltru] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.txt X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Language Tag Registry Update Working Group of the IETF. Title : Tags for Identifying Languages Author(s) : A. Phillips, M. Davis Filename : draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.txt Pages : 75 Date : 2008-3-17 This document describes the structure, content, construction, and semantics of language tags for use in cases where it is desirable to indicate the language used in an information object. It also describes how to register values for use in language tags and the creation of user-defined extensions for private interchange. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-12.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-3-17120810.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --NextPart-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 16:51:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E975E28C29D; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSrkWrFsNz8u; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B6C28C2E2; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:51:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4088128C29D for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:51:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LAzQLuj3gjUf for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6143A6781 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a46so3351725rne.9 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=Ebe0LOwN3/ix8q6f9B0SOJp8U0a7PjOyn+CoQXmaqzs=; b=rmDQ2lQUdXAP1ALM6/N5+ayTpBaa8RCZWFY0K42UFD+DGNtQEGVhzKmM6X8qRPn/lIWT52m4X0Wj+E53i42Km0Y9kxh2P9dyIacMbjVz+jjCodSIV1UzNgowP5yqvT1JHCMqmxBfnUXf8Cailna3f2oSF8cCIu7tufH389y3/L4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fY80oIip5GoRCWnGmlh355vxqUC+vKLrfhat8ydOyLB/D4rEx5xwsClh+bbtDBdPpFmERwqSzni6Wys/Py3wc/pztAoKn3Z4jA14Qi2Q8J0z75LSVM+Rxv8zy9Bg4kzCugKDhij+uErYItVxX8B8q5heMSpl8gUxsqRQh17++8M= Received: by 10.151.147.16 with SMTP id z16mr496418ybn.196.1205797720259; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803171648x69753c4el4d42c8b899514c17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:48:35 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "Addison Phillips" In-Reply-To: <47BEFC76.3030202@yahoo-inc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30b660a20802131101h3f58fa4bh6730cc706ad2d9d9@mail.gmail.com> <47BE57EE.5090007@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220809q7127d2b0v4749f75a4ae8f8d9@mail.gmail.com> <47BEFC76.3030202@yahoo-inc.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c64af5ed4c8dc5fb Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1670912892==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============1670912892== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8555_30954194.1205797720240" ------=_Part_8555_30954194.1205797720240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline These edits are missing from http://inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-13.html Mark On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Addison Phillips wrote: > Mark and I were working on a few edits. Herewith a summary of a couple > things that we should put on-list. > > Mark Davis wrote: > > > > DONE. Edited as follows: > > > .... > > > > I'd suggest the following change to your text, to make it pithier also. > > > > For example: The Unicode Consortium defines a set of private > > use extensions in LDML (, Locale Data > > Markup Language, the Unicode standard for defining locale data) such as > > in the tag "es-419-x-ldml-collation-traditio", which indicates Latin > > American Spanish with traditional order for sorted lists. > > Sounds good. I'll make that edit. I was a bit worried by having such a > long example tag. > > > > > As technical contributor: I'm not sure we want to limit it this way. > > ietf-languages might register all sorts of weird general background > > information :-). > > > > I think the issue was to have a clear statement that we don't want tons > > of text in the registry -- for that, people should look at other > > sources. Can you think of an alternative? > > In RFC 4646 (during one of the drafts) we removed the warning: > > -- > Long screeds about a particular subtag are frowned upon. > -- > > It was felt that the word "screed" was both too obscure and too > judgmental. Personally, I thought it did the job. Perhaps: > > -- > Large amounts of information about the use, history, or general > background of a subtag are frowned upon: these generally belong and are > encouraged in registration requests, but do not belong in the registry > record proper. > -- > > Best Regards, > > Addison > > -- > Addison Phillips > Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. > Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG > > Internationalization is an architecture. > It is not a feature. > -- Mark ------=_Part_8555_30954194.1205797720240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline These edits are missing from

http://inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-13.html

Mark

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
Mark and I were working on a few edits. Herewith a summary of a couple
things that we should put on-list.

Mark Davis wrote:
>
>     DONE. Edited as follows:
>
....
>
> I'd suggest the following change to your text, to make it pithier also.
>
> <t>For example: The Unicode Consortium defines a set of private
> use extensions in LDML (<xref target="UTS35"></xref>, Locale Data
> Markup Language, the Unicode standard for defining locale data) such as
> in the tag "es-419-x-ldml-collation-traditio", which indicates Latin
> American Spanish with traditional order for sorted lists.</t>

Sounds good. I'll make that edit. I was a bit worried by having such a
long example tag.

>
>     As technical contributor: I'm not sure we want to limit it this way.
>     ietf-languages might register all sorts of weird general background
>     information :-).
>
> I think the issue was to have a clear statement that we don't want tons
> of text in the registry -- for that, people should look at other
> sources. Can you think of an alternative?

In RFC 4646 (during one of the drafts) we removed the warning:

--
Long screeds about a particular subtag are frowned upon.
--

It was felt that the word "screed" was both too obscure and too
judgmental. Personally, I thought it did the job. Perhaps:

--
Large amounts of information about the use, history, or general
background of a subtag are frowned upon: these generally belong and are
encouraged in registration requests, but do not belong in the registry
record proper.
--

Best Regards,

Addison

--
Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.
Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature.



--
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17:28:45 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Davis References: <30b660a20802131101h3f58fa4bh6730cc706ad2d9d9@mail.gmail.com> <47BE57EE.5090007@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220809q7127d2b0v4749f75a4ae8f8d9@mail.gmail.com> <47BEFC76.3030202@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20803171648x69753c4el4d42c8b899514c17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803171648x69753c4el4d42c8b899514c17@mail.gmail.com> Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Dang. I wonder what became of them? I know I did them to some copy of the text: the markup is no accident in my response below. Okay, this time for sure! > > > > I'd suggest the following change to your text, to make it pithier > also. > > > > For example: The Unicode Consortium defines a set of private > > use extensions in LDML (, Locale Data > > Markup Language, the Unicode standard for defining locale data) > such as > > in the tag "es-419-x-ldml-collation-traditio", which indicates Latin > > American Spanish with traditional order for sorted lists. > > Sounds good. I'll make that edit. I was a bit worried by having such a > long example tag. Done verbatim. > -- > Large amounts of information about the use, history, or general > background of a subtag are frowned upon: these generally belong and are > encouraged in registration requests, but do not belong in the registry > record proper. This one is slightly problematic. I couldn't find the original email specifying the location of the edit. I have therefore placed it into Section 3.1.10 Comments, where it appears to belong. I also note that you and Doug later exchanged email on-list discussing alternate wordings. The last of these is here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg09612.html In incorporating this last suggested edit, I broke off the last sentence of the preceding (formerly sole) paragraph and did a smidge more editing to produce: The content of this field is not restricted, except by the need to register the information, the suitability of the request, and by reasonable practical size limitations. The primary reason for the Comments field is subtag identification: to help distinguish the subtag from others with which it might be confused. In particular, large amounts of information about the use, history, or general background of a subtag are frowned upon as these generally belong and are encouraged in registration request forms themselves, but do not belong in the registry record proper. --- I clicked "save" twice on draft-13 (editor's copy) and will post it shortly to inter-locale. Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 17:34:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2E728C419; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.360, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHEat5ExNlPf; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17533A6BA0; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2281928C232 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qEilP9HQI-u4 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D439E3A6BA0 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a46so3359494rne.9 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=PMa4xTTBCUfM4ozpiit40wfwQASjsFjlakqtk/O20yg=; b=NVJj04EUoGFqXbyO1FOp7HVdXJcfa/fQvYD3eff5VPEqEMhdxSzt947pWGINfG7bkbiwa3Pfg6a9KGZCPiWimw5XdjpN8OpGLiCy7aWSmY43AvFITN8yu1QIcOuJmti9QpJpngP7agkJOTtWuDmDvegQCb4o5nbm+wavm1Ovqg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LQY5DprdtE69UW1VggQjPA8ZmqIAfMkVdVdxGA0eoZbQMbgYo3ocsDWh8RJ8OV0b6xSzfpttzwiYbEu2xauirEvdg/nPWzoX0j5N2DfNh9bsYztuJXBRi18mEeqWW32hOscbEFjfYGRqOONWORL1SBZDMjQD/d8f5cVNeOMnmuo= Received: by 10.150.205.13 with SMTP id c13mr548753ybg.66.1205800310296; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803171731h26c3247bm75e75a25bf3bd79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:50 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "Randy Presuhn" In-Reply-To: <015e01c86e86$1327af20$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30b660a20802131101h3f58fa4bh6730cc706ad2d9d9@mail.gmail.com> <015e01c86e86$1327af20$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 611c331e0c680523 Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edit MD11 (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1489319886==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============1489319886== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8676_11168323.1205800310272" ------=_Part_8676_11168323.1205800310272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It appears that we had consensus on this (from the thread), but I don't see it in draft 13. Mark On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > As co-chair, I'm splitting this item into a separate thread since it > calls for what in my judgement could be understood to be a technical > change. > > Randy > > > From: "Mark Davis" > > To: "LTRU Working Group" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:01 AM > > Subject: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis) > ... > > MD11 > > 2. Subtags of type 'Region' that have a Preferred-Value mapping in > > the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) SHOULD be replaced with their > > mapped value. Note: In rare cases, the mapped value will also > > have a Preferred-Value. > > > > 3. Redundant or grandfathered tags that have a Preferred-Value > > mapping in the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) MUST be replaced > > with their mapped value. These items either are deprecated > > mappings created before the adoption of this document (such as > > the mapping of "no-nyn" to "nn" or "i-klingon" to "tlh") or are > > the result of later registrations or additions to this document > > (for example, "zh-hakka" was deprecated in favor of the ISO 639-3 > > code 'hak' when this document was adopted). > > > > 4. Other subtags that have a Preferred-Value mapping in the IANA > > registry (see Section 3.1) MUST be replaced with their mapped > > value. These items consist entirely of clerical corrections to > > ISO 639-1 in which the deprecated subtags have been maintained > > for compatibility purposes. > > => > > 2. Subtags of type 'Region' that have a Preferred-Value mapping in > > the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) are recursively replaced with > their > > mapped value. Note: In rare cases, the mapped value will also > > have a Preferred-Value. > > > > 3. Redundant or grandfathered tags that have a Preferred-Value > > mapping in the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) are recursively > replaced > > with their mapped value. These items either are deprecated > > mappings created before the adoption of this document (such as > > the mapping of "no-nyn" to "nn" or "i-klingon" to "tlh") or are > > the result of later registrations or additions to this document > > (for example, "zh-hakka" was deprecated in favor of the ISO 639-3 > > code 'hak' when this document was adopted). > > > > 4. Other subtags that have a Preferred-Value mapping in the IANA > > registry (see Section 3.1) are recursively replaced with their > mapped > > value. These items consist entirely of clerical corrections to > > ISO 639-1 in which the deprecated subtags have been maintained > > for compatibility purposes. > > [We are defining 'canonical order'. MUST and SHOULD are inappropriate > > in a definition -- and were inconsistently used, since #1 and #5 don't > > use them. Also, we have to have recursive replacement of tags in order > > to get an idempotent result!] > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > -- Mark ------=_Part_8676_11168323.1205800310272 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It appears that we had consensus on this (from the thread), but I don't see it in draft 13.

Mark

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hi -

As co-chair, I'm splitting this item into a separate thread since it
calls for what in my judgement could be understood to be a technical
change.

Randy

> From: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
> To: "LTRU Working Group" <ltru@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:01 AM
> Subject: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis)
...
> MD11
>    2.  Subtags of type 'Region' that have a Preferred-Value mapping in
>        the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) SHOULD be replaced with their
>        mapped value.  Note: In rare cases, the mapped value will also
>        have a Preferred-Value.
>
>    3.  Redundant or grandfathered tags that have a Preferred-Value
>        mapping in the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) MUST be replaced
>        with their mapped value.  These items either are deprecated
>        mappings created before the adoption of this document (such as
>        the mapping of "no-nyn" to "nn" or "i-klingon" to "tlh") or are
>        the result of later registrations or additions to this document
>        (for example, "zh-hakka" was deprecated in favor of the ISO 639-3
>        code 'hak' when this document was adopted).
>
>    4.  Other subtags that have a Preferred-Value mapping in the IANA
>        registry (see Section 3.1) MUST be replaced with their mapped
>        value.  These items consist entirely of clerical corrections to
>        ISO 639-1 in which the deprecated subtags have been maintained
>        for compatibility purposes.
> =>
>    2.  Subtags of type 'Region' that have a Preferred-Value mapping in
>        the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) are recursively replaced with their
>        mapped value.  Note: In rare cases, the mapped value will also
>        have a Preferred-Value.
>
>    3.  Redundant or grandfathered tags that have a Preferred-Value
>        mapping in the IANA registry (see Section 3.1) are recursively replaced
>        with their mapped value.  These items either are deprecated
>        mappings created before the adoption of this document (such as
>        the mapping of "no-nyn" to "nn" or "i-klingon" to "tlh") or are
>        the result of later registrations or additions to this document
>        (for example, "zh-hakka" was deprecated in favor of the ISO 639-3
>        code 'hak' when this document was adopted).
>
>    4.  Other subtags that have a Preferred-Value mapping in the IANA
>        registry (see Section 3.1) are recursively replaced with their mapped
>        value.  These items consist entirely of clerical corrections to
>        ISO 639-1 in which the deprecated subtags have been maintained
>        for compatibility purposes.
> [We are defining 'canonical order'. MUST and SHOULD are inappropriate
> in a definition -- and were inconsistently used, since #1 and #5 don't
> use them. Also, we have to have recursive replacement of tags in order
> to get an idempotent result!]


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Mark ------=_Part_8676_11168323.1205800310272-- --===============1489319886== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============1489319886==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 17:34:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B0B28C272; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.607 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.607 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.170, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JODgrpZKPHcq; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C992728C41B; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E1228C232 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jmnc2LfAxeWc for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECE828C419 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.72.78.23] (snvvpn2-10-72-78-c23.corp.yahoo.com [10.72.78.23]) by rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2I0VslD023567 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject: content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wUJXSTfQ0B+ZvzP5CQwbWiskhUYEe1sfmF+xe89KkzpcnT/9WHwoOFsksYy3Dseq Message-ID: <47DF0D7C.3040004@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:56 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'LTRU Working Group'" Subject: [Ltru] ISO 639 in section 3.6 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org In section 3.6, we list various ISO MA/RAs for the standards we use and include addresses, etc., for them. I note that we inherit text from RFC 1766 and 3066 here about ISO 639. In particular, we have an MA for ISO 639-2 and one for ISO 639-3, but ISO 639-1 isn't mentioned here and we have Infoterm listed just generally as an MA for ISO 639. Shouldn't Infoterm be made the MA for ISO 639-1 in this list? Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 17:36:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECD63A696D; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Znlmkb-iYal2; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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17 Mar 2008 17:33:42 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "Addison Phillips" In-Reply-To: <30b660a20802220850i7cbc046me3dd7005c566f6f1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <008901c87062$aa447c20$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> <47BE4C90.9060707@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220755y738e6f7fy5ebef84380e2d355@mail.gmail.com> <47BEF669.2070400@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220850i7cbc046me3dd7005c566f6f1@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 861474d72b3262a2 Cc: Doug Ewell , LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edit MD12 (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0985309830==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============0985309830== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8683_17986988.1205800422586" 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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:36:15 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "Addison Phillips" In-Reply-To: <30b660a20802131326y38330a64x1cc88ff3af29fdd2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30b660a20802131101h3f58fa4bh6730cc706ad2d9d9@mail.gmail.com> <015101c86e85$45d2ae80$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <30b660a20802131326y38330a64x1cc88ff3af29fdd2@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0be42c418f117ed9 Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edits MD8 (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0157734663==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============0157734663== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8691_12920061.1205800576003" ------=_Part_8691_12920061.1205800576003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It appears that we had consensus on this, but I don't see it in the text of #13. Mark On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Mark Davis wrote: > +1 > > > On Feb 13, 2008 1:13 PM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > > Hi - > > > > As a technical contributor... > > > > > From: "Mark Davis" > > > To: "LTRU Working Group" > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:01 AM > > > Subject: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis) > > ... > > > MD8 > > > replace the content of the source standard itself. The > > descriptions > > > are not intended to be the localized English names for the subtags. > > > Localization or translation of language tag and subtag descriptions > > > is out of scope of this document. > > > => > > > replace the content of the source standard itself. The > > descriptions > > > are not intended to be the localized English names for the subtags. > > > Localization or translation of language tag and subtag descriptions > > > is out of scope of this document. > > > > > > Descriptions should contain all and only that information necessary > > > to distinguish one subtag from others that it might be confused > > with. > > > They are not intended to provide general background information, > > > nor to provide all possible alternate names or designations. > > > > > > [add more guidance on scope of descriptions] > > > > "should" -> "SHOULD" (since this really is a normative usage) > > otherwise the proposal looks ok to me. > > > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ltru mailing list > > Ltru@ietf.org > > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > > > > -- > Mark -- Mark ------=_Part_8691_12920061.1205800576003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It appears that we had consensus on this, but I don't see it in the text of #13.

Mark

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org> wrote:
+1


On Feb 13, 2008 1:13 PM, Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hi -

As a technical contributor...

> From: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
> To: "LTRU Working Group" <ltru@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:01 AM
> Subject: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis)
...
> MD8
>    replace the content of the source standard itself.  The descriptions
>    are not intended to be the localized English names for the subtags.
>    Localization or translation of language tag and subtag descriptions
>    is out of scope of this document.
> =>
>    replace the content of the source standard itself.  The descriptions
>    are not intended to be the localized English names for the subtags.
>    Localization or translation of language tag and subtag descriptions
>    is out of scope of this document.
>
>    Descriptions should contain all and only that information necessary
>    to distinguish one subtag from others that it might be confused with.
>    They are not intended to provide general background information,
>    nor to provide all possible alternate names or designations.
>
> [add more guidance on scope of descriptions]

"should" -> "SHOULD" (since this really is a normative usage)
otherwise the proposal looks ok to me.

Randy

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Mark ------=_Part_8691_12920061.1205800576003-- --===============0157734663== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============0157734663==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 17:48:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C6228C4A2; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.837 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.837 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FujmYaREENIi; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F1528C4C8; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7413A6C5F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DBxj3C5jLRL6 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.180]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FBC28C19A for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so2801217ele.18 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=weelFS0t/bYCrBx0OTEacX6VSzLR4m322vsVG7/Wqik=; b=eDaYZpICNAGvavwpyOmK1U67HAM6H6n1sA6y3fs8UD3nVd+mWLcacAGIOU64wILeDXS+yOfa+U2jeirFlb1XmDua8hBCf4a53WSRBju/Uhq/2A/jXwLtt+DiR/H7DWJKOnAHGExUCuzYsTfTscIc2CSH3+vvx/g+++XTmB+cjdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ScdMD6PYFSq0dJteQ9s/QNaOozHVlHD8qwLIXeDqbfqgL3l1FIaiTk2Wwgb8aGj6D7iWAuj3qfmasYpuo0JOwae0HvC8Wwz84m1ImAgjlChezD8EQRkmjjZP4WcHyRIOLVmJWVjaiRlFSbIYn6Y2d+I5wqZpS0NxAPP/yW4UKOI= Received: by 10.151.145.21 with SMTP id x21mr558943ybn.45.1205801056531; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803171744i308ef09ak278e69d46ccd98fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:44:16 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "Addison Phillips" In-Reply-To: <47DF0CBD.6020505@yahoo-inc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30b660a20802131101h3f58fa4bh6730cc706ad2d9d9@mail.gmail.com> <47BE57EE.5090007@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220809q7127d2b0v4749f75a4ae8f8d9@mail.gmail.com> <47BEFC76.3030202@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20803171648x69753c4el4d42c8b899514c17@mail.gmail.com> <47DF0CBD.6020505@yahoo-inc.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ca42584f083dddf6 Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edits (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1360868712==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============1360868712== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8711_25936412.1205801056537" ------=_Part_8711_25936412.1205801056537 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline looks good. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Addison Phillips wrote: > Dang. I wonder what became of them? I know I did them to some copy of > the text: the markup is no accident in my response below. > > Okay, this time for sure! > > > > > > > I'd suggest the following change to your text, to make it pithier > > also. > > > > > > For example: The Unicode Consortium defines a set of private > > > use extensions in LDML (, Locale Data > > > Markup Language, the Unicode standard for defining locale data) > > such as > > > in the tag "es-419-x-ldml-collation-traditio", which indicates > Latin > > > American Spanish with traditional order for sorted lists. > > > > Sounds good. I'll make that edit. I was a bit worried by having such > a > > long example tag. > > Done verbatim. > > > -- > > Large amounts of information about the use, history, or general > > background of a subtag are frowned upon: these generally belong and > are > > encouraged in registration requests, but do not belong in the > registry > > record proper. > > This one is slightly problematic. I couldn't find the original email > specifying the location of the edit. I have therefore placed it into > Section 3.1.10 Comments, where it appears to belong. > > I also note that you and Doug later exchanged email on-list discussing > alternate wordings. The last of these is here: > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg09612.html > > In incorporating this last suggested edit, I broke off the last sentence > of the preceding (formerly sole) paragraph and did a smidge more editing > to produce: > > The content of this field is not restricted, except by the need to > register the information, the suitability of the request, and by > reasonable practical size limitations. The primary reason for the > Comments field is subtag identification: to help > distinguish the subtag from others with which it might be confused. In > particular, large amounts of information about the use, history, or > general background of a subtag are frowned upon as these generally > belong and are encouraged in registration request forms themselves, but > do not belong in the registry record proper. > > --- > > I clicked "save" twice on draft-13 (editor's copy) and will post it > shortly to inter-locale. > > Addison > > -- > Addison Phillips > Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. > Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG > > Internationalization is an architecture. > It is not a feature. > -- Mark ------=_Part_8711_25936412.1205801056537 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline looks good.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
Dang. I wonder what became of them? I know I did them to some copy of
the text: the <t> markup is no accident in my response below.

Okay, this time for sure!

>      >
>      > I'd suggest the following change to your text, to make it pithier
>     also.
>      >
>      > <t>For example: The Unicode Consortium defines a set of private
>      > use extensions in LDML (<xref target="UTS35"></xref>, Locale Data
>      > Markup Language, the Unicode standard for defining locale data)
>     such as
>      > in the tag "es-419-x-ldml-collation-traditio", which indicates Latin
>      > American Spanish with traditional order for sorted lists.</t>
>
>     Sounds good. I'll make that edit. I was a bit worried by having such a
>     long example tag.

Done verbatim.

>     --
>     Large amounts of information about the use, history, or general
>     background of a subtag are frowned upon: these generally belong and are
>     encouraged in registration requests, but do not belong in the registry
>     record proper.

This one is slightly problematic. I couldn't find the original email
specifying the location of the edit. I have therefore placed it into
Section 3.1.10 Comments, where it appears to belong.

I also note that you and Doug later exchanged email on-list discussing
alternate wordings. The last of these is here:

 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg09612.html

In incorporating this last suggested edit, I broke off the last sentence
of the preceding (formerly sole) paragraph and did a smidge more editing
to produce:

<t>The content of this field is not restricted, except by the need to
register the information, the suitability of the request, and by
reasonable practical size limitations. The primary reason for the
Comments field is subtag identification: to help
distinguish the subtag from others with which it might be confused. In
particular, large amounts of information about the use, history, or
general background of a subtag are frowned upon as these generally
belong and are encouraged in registration request forms themselves, but
do not belong in the registry record proper.</t>

---

I clicked "save" twice on draft-13 (editor's copy) and will post it
shortly to inter-locale.

Addison

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Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature.



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The written forms should use "nb" or "nn." This seems to be a parallel to the idea that "zh" = written mandarin, but spoken "zh" may be "cmn" or "yue" etc. I am not an expert in Norwegian language, so you can correct me if I'm wrong, but everything I read indicates that "nb" and "nn" are written variants. This continues to make me somewhat uncomfortable with what we've done with extlang, but I think that ship sailed while I was out buying bait. Regards, Karen Broome John Cowan Sent by: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no 03/17/2008 03:40 PM To Deborah Goldsmith cc ietf-languages@iana.org Subject Re: "no" vs. "nb" and "nn" Deborah Goldsmith scripsit: > I can't find a definitive statement anywhere on the relationship > between "no" on the one hand, and "nb" and "nn" on the other. Is "no" > a fallback for "nb" and "nn", the way "en" is a fallback for "en-US" > and "en-GB"? Is "no" simply obsolete? Is there some other > relationship? What is considered the best common practice today? "no" is a cover term for documents that may be either nb or nn. In practice, it's usually interpreted as a synonym for "nb", simply because most Norwegian documents (approx. 92%) are actually in nb. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders. --Hal Abelson _______________________________________________ Ietf-languages mailing list Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages _______________________________________________ Ietf-languages mailing list Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages --=_alternative 0005952A88257410_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
It seems to me that "no" should be used when the language is spoken. The
written forms should use "nb" or "nn." This seems to be a parallel to the
idea that "zh" = written mandarin, but spoken "zh" may be "cmn" or "yue"
etc. I am not an expert in Norwegian language, so you can correct me if
I'm wrong, but everything I read indicates that "nb" and "nn" are written
variants.

This continues to make me somewhat uncomfortable with what we've done with
extlang, but I think that ship sailed while I was out buying bait.

Regards,

Karen Broome
John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
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03/17/2008 03:40 PM

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Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit@apple.com>
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ietf-languages@iana.org
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Re: "no" vs. "nb" and "nn"


Deborah Goldsmith scripsit:

> I can't find a definitive statement anywhere on the relationship
> between "no" on the one hand, and "nb" and "nn" on the other. Is "no"
> a fallback for "nb" and "nn", the way "en" is a fallback for "en-US"
> and "en-GB"? Is "no" simply obsolete? Is there some other
> relationship? What is considered the best common practice today?

"no" is a cover term for documents that may be either nb or nn.
In practice, it's usually interpreted as a synonym for "nb", simply
because most Norwegian documents (approx. 92%) are actually in nb.

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on my shoulders.
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It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 17 18:30:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654953A6C93; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3-9iEkHe5wX4; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7720C3A6D96; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F1F28C166 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDzkKsaqlmlB for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org [192.190.237.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331223A6E5A for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JbQba-0000LP-01; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:27:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:27:05 -0400 To: Mark Davis Message-ID: <20080318012705.GD25833@mercury.ccil.org> References: <008901c87062$aa447c20$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> <47BE4C90.9060707@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220755y738e6f7fy5ebef84380e2d355@mail.gmail.com> <47BEF669.2070400@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20802220850i7cbc046me3dd7005c566f6f1@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20803171733kc9381b0l29554841cc97b46a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803171733kc9381b0l29554841cc97b46a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: John Cowan Cc: Doug Ewell , LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed edit MD12 (davis) X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mark Davis scripsit: > It appears that we didn't come to consensus yet on this item. Is anyone opposed to the proposal below? I am for it. > > What I think we want to do is mirror the language for Deprecated: "Usually, > > the addition of a 'Deprecated' field is due to the action of one of the > > standards bodies, such as ISO 3166, withdrawing a code." > > > > So we could say > > > > "Usually the addition, removal, or change in a Preferred-Value field for a > > subtag is to reflect changes in one of the source standard, such as ISO > > 3166. For example, if an ISO 3166 region code is deprecated in favor of > > another code, that SHOULD result in changes in the Preferred-Value field. > > The changes MAY affect other subtags as well. > > > > - Suppose that subtag X has a Preferred-Value of Y. If Y changes to > > have a Preferred-Value of Z, then the Preferred-Value for X MUST also change > > to be Z. > > - Suppose that a variant subtag 'foobar' represents a language not > > yet available in ISO 639-3. The later addition of the corresponding language > > code in ISO SHOULD result in the addition of a Preferred-Value for > > 'foobar'." > > > > Add also in 3.1.6: > > > > "Every subtag with a Preferred-Value field MUST also have a Deprecated > > field." > > > > ... > > > > "Usually the addition or removal of a Deprecated field is to reflect > > changes in one of the source standard, such as ISO 3166. ..." > > > > ==== > > > > We also need a fix for "These values form three groups:". This needs to be > > changed into: "Some examples of this are:" > > > > The reason for this change is that we clearly want to allow a registered > > language subtags (and variants) to be Deprecated and Preferred-Valued: if > > there is a registration for 'foobar' that later ends up having a new ISO 639 > > code, we want to be able to deprecate it and point to the new value. > > > > So really any subtag has the potential of having Deprecated and > > Preferred-Value attached to it. -- John Cowan http://ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org SAXParserFactory [is] a hideous, evil monstrosity of a class that should be hung, shot, beheaded, drawn and quartered, burned at the stake, buried in unconsecrated ground, dug up, cremated, and the ashes tossed in the Tiber while the complete cast of Wicked sings "Ding dong, the witch is dead." --Elliotte Rusty Harold on xml-dev _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From 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text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============1195223907==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 18 06:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597AF28C549; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J6oE2aK4W5xT; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:35:10 -0700 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2008 13:40:24 +0000 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 62.197.41.145 X-Return-Path: prvs=1963aa9985=debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk X-Envelope-From: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ltru@ietf.org Received: from CPQ86763045110 ([83.67.121.192]) by 145.nexbyte.net with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:32:45 +0000 From: "Debbie Garside" To: "'Addison Phillips'" , "'LTRU Working Group'" References: <47DF0D7C.3040004@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:32:30 -0000 Message-ID: <245201c888fc$8428c660$0a00a8c0@CPQ86763045110> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciIj8zvjlKRvrCbSq2KT5aZV69DWgAbKF+g In-Reply-To: <47DF0D7C.3040004@yahoo-inc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-MDAV-Processed: mx1.nexbyte.net, Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:40:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [Ltru] ISO 639 in section 3.6 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Addison wrote: > Shouldn't Infoterm be made the MA for ISO 639-1 in this list? Yes. Debbie > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Addison Phillips > Sent: 18 March 2008 00:32 > To: 'LTRU Working Group' > Subject: [Ltru] ISO 639 in section 3.6 > > In section 3.6, we list various ISO MA/RAs for the standards > we use and include addresses, etc., for them. I note that we > inherit text from RFC > 1766 and 3066 here about ISO 639. In particular, we have an MA for ISO > 639-2 and one for ISO 639-3, but ISO 639-1 isn't mentioned > here and we have Infoterm listed just generally as an MA for ISO 639. > > Shouldn't Infoterm be made the MA for ISO 639-1 in this list? > > Addison > > -- > Addison Phillips > Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. > Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG > > Internationalization is an architecture. > It is not a feature. > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > > _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 18 07:02:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B07C28C5C2; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EHPBeOzybVce; 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18 Mar 2008 13:59:32 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c88900$4a8821e0$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> From: "Doug Ewell" To: "LTRU Working Group" References: <001701c886fe$986fd460$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> <47DC7D5B.7040300@yahoo-inc.com> <002301c88735$aa551be0$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> <30b660a20803171727p6cb08550x5a557117b72a51d9@mail.gmail.com> <47DF16DE.1070702@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20803172215u1ced588fk34057bb65833901e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:59:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [Ltru] Editorial comments on draft-4646bis-12 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org TWFyayBEYXZpcyB3cm90ZToKCj4+PiBOb3RlOiBJIHRoaW5rIGFsbCB0aGUgZ3JhbmRmYXRoZXJl ZCB0YWdzIHNob3VsZCBiZSBsb3dlcmNhc2VkLCBmb3IgCj4+PiBjb25zaXN0ZW5jeSwgc2luY2Ug dGhlaXIgc3VidGFncyBhcmUgbm90IGZvcm1hbGx5IGFuYWx5emFibGUuXQo+Pgo+PiBUcnVlLCBh bHRob3VnaCB0aGV5IGFsbCB3b3JrIGNvcnJlY3RseS4KPj4KPj4gKHJldHJpZXZlcyBoYXQsIGR1 c3RzIGlzIHNsaWdodGx5KQo+Pgo+PiBET05FLiBUaGVyZWZvcmUsIEkgbWFkZSBhbiBlZGl0IHNv IHRoYXQgdGhlIGNhc2luZyBydWxlcyByZWFkOgo+Pgo+PiAtLQo+PiBJbiB0aGlzIGZvcm1hdCwg YWxsIHN1YnRhZ3MsIGluY2x1ZGluZyBhbGwgdGhvc2UgZm9sbG93aW5nIHNpbmdsZXRvbnMKPj4g KHRoYXQgaXMsIGluIGV4dGVuc2lvbiBvciBwcml2YXRlLXVzZSBzZXF1ZW5jZXMpIGFyZSBpbiBs b3dlcmNhc2UuIAo+PiBUaGUKPj4gZXhjZXB0aW9ucyB0byB0aGlzIGFyZTogIGFsbCBvdGhlciBu b24taW5pdGlhbCB0d28tbGV0dGVyIHN1YnRhZ3MgYXJlCj4+IHVwcGVyY2FzZSBhbmQgYWxsIG90 aGVyIG5vbi1pbml0aWFsIGZvdXItbGV0dGVyIHN1YnRhZ3MgYXJlIAo+PiB0aXRsZWNhc2UuCj4+ IC0tCj4KPiBJIGNhbiBsaXZlIHdpdGggdGhhdC4gQnV0IHRoZW4gIGFsc28gY2hhbmdlCj4KPiAi c2duLUJFLWZyIiAvICJzZ24tQkUtbmwiIC8gInNnbi1DSC1kZSIKPiA9PiJzZ24tQkUtRlIiIC8g InNnbi1CRS1OTCIgLyAic2duLUNILURFIgoKSSBkaXNhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIHN5c3RlbWF0aWNhbGx5 IG5vcm1hbGl6aW5nIHRoZSBjYXBpdGFsaXphdGlvbiBvZiAKZ3JhbmRmYXRoZXJlZCB0YWdzLiAg VGhleSBhcmUgZ3JhbmRmYXRoZXJlZCBhbmQgc2hvdWxkbid0IGJlIHRvdWNoZWQuIApJZiB3ZSB3 YW50IHRvIHNheSB0aGF0IGNhcGl0YWxpemF0aW9uIG9mIHRhZ3MgZG9lc24ndCBtYXR0ZXIsIHRo ZW4gd2UgCnNob3VsZCBub3QgY3JlYXRlIHRoaXMgdW5uZWNlc3NhcnkgZGlmZiBhcyB0aG91Z2gg aXQgZGlkIG1hdHRlci4KCkluIHBhcnRpY3VsYXIsIHRhZ3MgbGlrZSAic2duLUJFLWZyIiBhcmUg Z3JhbmRmYXRoZXJlZCBiZWNhdXNlIHRoZXkgCmNvdWxkIG5vdCBwb3NzaWJseSBmaXQgdGhlIEFC TkYuICBDaGFuZ2luZyB0aGUgY2FwaXRhbGl6YXRpb24gb2Ygc3VjaCAKdGFncyBpbiB0aGUgUmVn aXN0cnkgbWlnaHQgZ2l2ZSB0aGUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbiB0aGF0IHRoZWlyIHN5bnRheCBoYXMgCmJl ZW4gdGhlcmVieSBsZWdpdGltaXplZCBpbiBzb21lIHdheSwgd2hlbiBpbiBmYWN0IGFsbCBpdCBk b2VzIGlzIG1ha2UgCnRoZSB0YWdzIGNvbmZvcm0gdG8gYSBkaXN0aWxsYXRpb24gb2YgdGhlIGNh cGl0YWxpemF0aW9uIHJ1bGVzIGZvciAKcmVndWxhciB0YWdzLgoKQWxzbywgdGhvdWdoIEkgaGF2 ZW4ndCBjaGVja2VkIHRob3JvdWdobHksIEknbSBzdXJlIHRoZXJlIGFyZSBzb21lIApleGFtcGxl cyBzb21ld2hlcmUgaW4gdGhlIGRyYWZ0IG9mIHByaXZhdGUtdXNlIHRhZ3MgYW5kIHN1YnRhZ3Mg YW5kIApleHRlbnNpb25zIHdpdGggIm5vbi1zdGFuZGFyZCIgY2FwaXRhbGl6YXRpb24sIGFuZCB0 aGlzIGlzIGEgR29vZCBUaGluZywgCnNpbmNlIHRoZSBtZWFuaW5nIG9mIHRoZXNlIHN1YnRhZ3Mg aXMgZGV0ZXJtaW5lZCBvdXRzaWRlIHRoaXMgQkNQLCBhbmQgCm1pZ2h0IGJlIGNsZWFyZXIgaWYg Y2FwaXRhbGl6ZWQgaW4gYSAibm9uLXN0YW5kYXJkIiB3YXkuCgotLQpEb3VnIEV3ZWxsICAqICBG dWxsZXJ0b24sIENhbGlmb3JuaWEsIFVTQSAgKiAgUkZDIDQ2NDUgICogIFVUTiAjMTQKaHR0cDov L3d3dy5ld2VsbGljLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vd3d3MS5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sLmNoYXJ0ZXJzL2x0cnUt Y2hhcnRlci5odG1sCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWx2ZXN0cmFuZC5uby9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2ll dGYtbGFuZ3VhZ2VzICDLhgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX18KTHRydSBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKTHRydUBpZXRmLm9yZwpodHRwczovL3d3dy5pZXRm Lm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2x0cnUK From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 18 08:08:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7200228C541; 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Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6793A6CC9 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.72.78.23] (snvvpn2-10-72-78-c23.corp.yahoo.com [10.72.78.23]) by rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2IF5WJo062439; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:05:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P1O/hmordlxpCbT7SZCIrL6p0D6i4qle5MW2d/VOLkItA1cRlwGFinR2wL1QLbn1 Message-ID: <47DFDA3A.3010709@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:05:30 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Ewell References: <001701c886fe$986fd460$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> <47DC7D5B.7040300@yahoo-inc.com> <002301c88735$aa551be0$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> <30b660a20803171727p6cb08550x5a557117b72a51d9@mail.gmail.com> <47DF16DE.1070702@yahoo-inc.com> <30b660a20803172215u1ced588fk34057bb65833901e@mail.gmail.com> <003501c88900$4a8821e0$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> In-Reply-To: <003501c88900$4a8821e0$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Editorial comments on draft-4646bis-12 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Doug Ewell wrote: >>> -- >> >> I can live with that. But then also change >> >> "sgn-BE-fr" / "sgn-BE-nl" / "sgn-CH-de" >> =>"sgn-BE-FR" / "sgn-BE-NL" / "sgn-CH-DE" > > I disagree with systematically normalizing the capitalization of > grandfathered tags. They are grandfathered and shouldn't be touched. If > we want to say that capitalization of tags doesn't matter, then we > should not create this unnecessary diff as though it did matter. Section 4.4 (canonicalization) provides for doing the case folding described here to all language tags. Prescribing a different form for the grandfathered tags isn't very appealing, as it would require pointless special cases for implementers. > > In particular, tags like "sgn-BE-fr" are grandfathered because they > could not possibly fit the ABNF. Changing the capitalization of such > tags in the Registry might give the impression that their syntax has > been thereby legitimized in some way, when in fact all it does is make > the tags conform to a distillation of the capitalization rules for > regular tags. I don't see why it would give that impression: they are still defined in a production called "irregular". > > Also, though I haven't checked thoroughly, I'm sure there are some > examples somewhere in the draft of private-use tags and subtags and > extensions with "non-standard" capitalization, and this is a Good Thing, > since the meaning of these subtags is determined outside this BCP, and > might be clearer if capitalized in a "non-standard" way. > This may be true, but the canonical form is lowercase. CamelCase is nice for some things, but extensions should not rely on it--or be encouraged to do so. Best Regards, Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 18 08:10:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639C43A6F37; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.424 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.424 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.337, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41KdJJr2XoDK; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549553A6F27; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FBE28C645 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:10:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UADu64dDMelm for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balsa.cetp.ipsl.fr (balsa.cetp.ipsl.fr [193.52.172.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBD628C2F3 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from porteneu@localhost) by balsa.cetp.ipsl.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA20090; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:07:32 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:07:32 +0100 (MET) From: Elisabeth Porteneuve Message-Id: <200803181507.QAA20090@balsa.cetp.ipsl.fr> To: addison@yahoo-inc.com, ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] ISO 639 in section 3.6 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org ISO provides the official list of Maintenance Agencies and Registration Authorities at: http://www.iso.org/iso/standards_development/technical_committees/maintenance_agencies.htm --------------- ISO 639-1:2002 Codes for the representation of names of languages -- Part 1: Alpha-2 code Registration Authority c/o International Information Centre for Terminology (Infoterm) Mariahilfer Str. 123/3 AT-1060 Wien Austria Tel: +43 664 3446181 Fax: +43 1 524 06 06 99 E-mail: rama@infoterm.au --------------- ISO 639-2:1998 Codes for the representation of names of languages -- Part 2: Alpha-3 code Registration Authority c/o The Library of Congress Network Development and MARC Standards Office US-Washington, DC 20540-4402 USA Tel: +1 202 707 62 37 Fax: +1 202 707 01 15 E-mail: iso639-2@loc.gov Web: lcweb.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ --------------- Kind regards, Elisabeth Porteneuve > > In section 3.6, we list various ISO MA/RAs for the standards we use and > include addresses, etc., for them. I note that we inherit text from RFC > 1766 and 3066 here about ISO 639. In particular, we have an MA for ISO > 639-2 and one for ISO 639-3, but ISO 639-1 isn't mentioned here and we > have Infoterm listed just generally as an MA for ISO 639. > > Shouldn't Infoterm be made the MA for ISO 639-1 in this list? > > Addison > > -- > Addison Phillips > Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. > Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 18 22:20:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0A73A6E33; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.638 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.234, BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VSGmbnSfI8Lm; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C7A3A6909; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE673A6909 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2bCa66bgilLf for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2A63A6D4E for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:18:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=YDMv08yfDma1jFps69FVPJriNoRlo9ExuN017z9N8JTYhvvmeAbUQv6Af6VPTm9y; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.89.15] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Jbqf5-00043X-77; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c88988$bba6fda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "LTRU Working Group" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:16:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8885d2a9c731cc891170f1739a124ad195b544266ed0e94237e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.89.15 Cc: Chris Newman Subject: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Hi - As co-chair... It is suspected that someone whose posting privileges to the ltru@ietf.org mailing list were revoked pursuant to an RFC 3683 PR-action has been posting to the WG mailing list under one or more pseudonyms. While RFC 3683 recognizes the possibility of such misbehavior, it does not prescribe a means of determining when such a situation exists. As suggested by our area director, we propose the following metric: 1. All chairs and the responsible area director agree that the identified email address is the person subject to a PR action. 2. At least one independent participant of the list is informed that a suspected violation of a PR action is in progress without being informed of the suspect posting address or addresses. That participant must independently identify the same posting address or addresses as the WG chairs & AD. The list should be informed when the metric is applied. Of course, this action would be subject to the usual appeal process. We'd like to get a read on whether the working group feels this would be adequate. I understand "independent participants" in our context as list subscribers (other than the chairs, ADs, and editors) who give some indication (such as recent postings) that would indicate that they are actually reading the list. Martin and I think consulting three such participants should provide an adequate degree of confidence that the corrent address(es) have been identified, since that would mean that a total of six people have all come to the same conclusion about what postings were in question and who the poster might be. Please respond to the ltru@ietf.org list indicating whether you find this to be an acceptiable approach. Randy _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 19 07:29:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A06F3A6AED; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.589, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gMxUweVDGRHn; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318D43A6B6A; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022A93A6A35 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSHddbikOzwh for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A547928C387 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i7so150426tid.25 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:26:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=j3i2uYA7oHBqWYsHVQU/j7z06g31BrsXhdNtHMFE38Y=; b=e/Maa4AQa2nug0m/ge8yR20d1I8je5Y5cCG/ILnA4K/P7ipPCSl9XdOmGXngsuTeYKoXborqcUbSIX8K7zCyVsJ3XHcuKkiBBDKh6jUaN41yu7HirffF+rcWnnvOgiv69e/xa0D4t4B2jNZLAUUqpx41MYjgDj0TNK9PGZ7UCWI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BR0izxpaHRb9XyBv6vxo2YRqTleqUyRvpIZO9HI4s5zP8JekXpY2b9Q2BqkyX5uVJhPkncDw8ZsQ52bWj4ecu/+q7Mg0AMugbfygECUcewGdaYAe8VP1U4NKeBOnAaR0SegVqaZLRrlTRouhEpjuxeWDBQcu8DE87f3zQGgDsHg= Received: by 10.150.158.8 with SMTP id g8mr211587ybe.94.1205936784500; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803190726i2cbf5586o331695ebfe4251af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:26:24 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "Randy Presuhn" In-Reply-To: <002801c88988$bba6fda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002801c88988$bba6fda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ec1d42669a10ea67 Cc: Chris Newman , LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0028856948==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============0028856948== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13896_26765127.1205936784472" ------=_Part_13896_26765127.1205936784472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very acceptable. (Myself, I tend to blacklist the person involved in my email client as soon as identified -- but of course that still leaves random clutter in the archives.) Mark On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Randy Presuhn < randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> wrote: > Hi - > > As co-chair... > > It is suspected that someone whose posting privileges to the ltru@ietf.org > mailing list were revoked pursuant to an RFC 3683 PR-action has been > posting to the WG mailing list under one or more pseudonyms. While > RFC 3683 recognizes the possibility of such misbehavior, it does not > prescribe a means of determining when such a situation exists. As > suggested by our area director, we propose the following metric: > > 1. All chairs and the responsible area director agree that the identified > email address is the person subject to a PR action. > > 2. At least one independent participant of the list is informed that a > suspected violation of a PR action is in progress without being informed > of > the suspect posting address or addresses. That participant must > independently identify the same posting address or addresses as the WG > chairs & AD. > > The list should be informed when the metric is applied. > > Of course, this action would be subject to the usual appeal process. > > We'd like to get a read on whether the working group feels this would be > adequate. I understand "independent participants" in our context as list > subscribers (other than the chairs, ADs, and editors) who give some > indication (such as recent postings) that would indicate that they are > actually reading the list. Martin and I think consulting three such > participants should provide an adequate degree of confidence that the > corrent address(es) have been identified, since that would mean that > a total of six people have all come to the same conclusion about what > postings were in question and who the poster might be. > > Please respond to the ltru@ietf.org list indicating whether you find > this to be an acceptiable approach. > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > -- Mark ------=_Part_13896_26765127.1205936784472 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very acceptable.

(Myself, I tend to blacklist the person involved in my email client as soon as identified -- but of course that still leaves random clutter in the archives.)

Mark

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hi -

As co-chair...

It is suspected that someone whose posting privileges to the ltru@ietf.org
mailing list were revoked pursuant to an RFC 3683 PR-action has been
posting to the WG mailing list under one or more pseudonyms.  While
RFC 3683 recognizes the possibility of such misbehavior, it does not
prescribe a means of determining when such a situation exists.  As
suggested by our area director, we propose the following metric:

1. All chairs and the responsible area director agree that the identified
email address is the person subject to a PR action.

2. At least one independent participant of the list is informed that a
suspected violation of a PR action is in progress without being informed of
the suspect posting address or addresses.  That participant must
independently identify the same posting address or addresses as the WG
chairs & AD.

The list should be informed when the metric is applied.

Of course, this action would be subject to the usual appeal process.

We'd like to get a read on whether the working group feels this would be
adequate.  I understand "independent participants" in our context as list
subscribers (other than the chairs, ADs, and editors) who give some
indication (such as recent postings) that would indicate that they are
actually reading the list.  Martin and I think consulting three such
participants should provide an adequate degree of confidence that the
corrent address(es) have been identified, since that would mean that
a total of six people have all come to the same conclusion about what
postings were in question and who the poster might be.

Please respond to the ltru@ietf.org list indicating whether you find
this to be an acceptiable approach.

Randy

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Mark ------=_Part_13896_26765127.1205936784472-- --===============0028856948== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============0028856948==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 19 09:51:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6728C28C656; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.781 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.781 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.344, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYI9-CFVjdII; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35AF28C611; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F178F28C170 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GfgRtIF0OAVI for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650B928C61C for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.21.37.80] (duringperson-lx.corp.yahoo.com [172.21.37.80]) by rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2JGlWZZ043961; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kPg+8o+ZYab2YYCYQkWM5WgFOzr6z9cXWftKm8Tc85Ab8/PLQkzSEy2xujnVdqAN Message-ID: <47E143A3.40903@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:47:31 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Davis References: <002801c88988$bba6fda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <30b660a20803190726i2cbf5586o331695ebfe4251af@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803190726i2cbf5586o331695ebfe4251af@mail.gmail.com> Cc: LTRU Working Group , Chris Newman Subject: Re: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org +1 Mark Davis wrote: > Very acceptable. > > (Myself, I tend to blacklist the person involved in my email client as > soon as identified -- but of course that still leaves random clutter in > the archives.) > > Mark > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Randy Presuhn > > wrote: > > Hi - > > As co-chair... > > It is suspected that someone whose posting privileges to the > ltru@ietf.org > mailing list were revoked pursuant to an RFC 3683 PR-action has been > posting to the WG mailing list under one or more pseudonyms. While > RFC 3683 recognizes the possibility of such misbehavior, it does not > prescribe a means of determining when such a situation exists. As > suggested by our area director, we propose the following metric: > > 1. All chairs and the responsible area director agree that the > identified > email address is the person subject to a PR action. > > 2. At least one independent participant of the list is informed that a > suspected violation of a PR action is in progress without being > informed of > the suspect posting address or addresses. That participant must > independently identify the same posting address or addresses as the WG > chairs & AD. > > The list should be informed when the metric is applied. > > Of course, this action would be subject to the usual appeal process. > > We'd like to get a read on whether the working group feels this would be > adequate. I understand "independent participants" in our context as > list > subscribers (other than the chairs, ADs, and editors) who give some > indication (such as recent postings) that would indicate that they are > actually reading the list. Martin and I think consulting three such > participants should provide an adequate degree of confidence that the > corrent address(es) have been identified, since that would mean that > a total of six people have all come to the same conclusion about what > postings were in question and who the poster might be. > > Please respond to the ltru@ietf.org list > indicating whether you find > this to be an acceptiable approach. > > Randy > -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 20 11:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E3328C6BA; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.110, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OsyCnWZ9V6dN; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C3E3A6C97; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C00428C1F2 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMorb4wEzq3f for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9541728C79B for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:40:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=P5R/9EWvd/aLylX0H6RTKp1o+sqgfxji4Xotnfnv7dUQK1HXPexWt4VLxY6Q1l8e; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.78.139] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JcPeq-000496-F2; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c88ac1$f57d2600$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "LTRU Working Group" References: <002801c88988$bba6fda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:38:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8885d2a9c731cc89117dc45ff980080aea1620b1a698251ff3e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.78.139 Cc: Chris Newman Subject: Re: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Hi - There have been expressions of support, and no objections on this list, to the proposed metric (and one off-list objection by JFC Morfin) for identifying possible sock-puppets of those whose posting privileges have been revoked pursuant to RFC 3683. So, we're using it. We engaged the procedure with three independent working group participants. All three identified the same email address, which was also identified by the responsible area director and both co-chairs. Consequently, future postings from lbleriot@gmail.com will not be delivered, since we believe this address is a sock-puppet for JFC Morfin. Randy ltru co-chair _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 21 16:48:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA02C3A6E96; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.836 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.836 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XexHUss-Hynh; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6CA28C6BD; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE1C28C6B6 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O0A4Y-dh9Eva for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E558928C6DB for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so1876189wxd.31 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=9crrgvF22qRIzS8o0xOaDwzI2dEeZHvxNyfAqU7AxmU=; b=MRR1GLMk9IlYakFjaomvbSHkVbXKo9oZTbS24VWOP37kzFCGrqv+W9S4ggXS6zjo9XB0dX978jGKQp3y7VOG2D0fACjPwk0FFB2EnHr0SVRL8kATGP134ZmexQmRWHL5N3KBWtO2rOJ7+ffZ7afL9WiWDelFSKuqMEnLwx6Fd2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=Ch65L60zWozU2mW9GsmwaoM6MCukrWmgshEX2w3GTuFFYx1GIGy/b6dkldMMP0U4mHmi8Jc82z/AI+YpAwFVX7yzQgahwPyJv/EkEJlmyLBMaJGFJQTq1+9+xPksj8ZvHa33iX784jxS55e6/K82Vxr4jocGQY6yB4RzHbvlHEw= Received: by 10.151.108.5 with SMTP id k5mr1937982ybm.102.1206143066095; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803211644t5a50a703l85a07062573d6deb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:26 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "LTRU Working Group" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ecf9e2cb0002f3e Subject: [Ltru] ABNF, plus small fix X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1897419604==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============1897419604== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3982_2519444.1206143066102" ------=_Part_3982_2519444.1206143066102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I updated the cldr language tag tests for BCP 47 2008(exp) The BNF used both for testing and for generating random strings is at http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagTest.txt The canned test data is at: http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagTest.txt In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first term in this item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for consistency they should be removed: language = (2*3ALPHA) *; shortest ISO 639 code* / 4ALPHA *; reserved for future use* / 5*8ALPHA *; registered language subtag* For those interested, the regular expression generated from the BNF is the following: Regex: (?: ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2,3} | [a-z A-Z]{4,8} ))(?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{4} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2} | [0-9]{3} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) (?: [-] (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) )? ) | ((?: (?i)en [-] GB [-] oed| i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )| no [-] (?: bok | nyn )| sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de)| zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | yue))) | ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) Note that this could be somewhat simpler: it does a few extra things to get the capture groups to work right, and it includes both lowercase and uppercase since those are used in generating the random test data. -- Mark ------=_Part_3982_2519444.1206143066102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I updated the cldr language tag tests for BCP 47 2008(exp)

The BNF used both for testing and for generating random strings is at

The canned test data is at:

In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first term in this item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for consistency they should be removed:

language      = (2*3ALPHA)             ; shortest ISO 639 code

              / 4ALPHA                 ; reserved for future use
              / 5*8ALPHA               ; registered language subtag

For those interested, the regular expression generated from the BNF is the following:

Regex: (?: ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2,3} | [a-z A-Z]{4,8} ))(?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{4} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2} | [0-9]{3} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) (?: [-] (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) )? ) |   ((?: (?i)en [-] GB [-] oed|   i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )|   no [-] (?: bok | nyn )|    sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de)|   zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | yue))) |    ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ ))

Note that this could be somewhat simpler: it does a few extra things to get the capture groups to work right, and it includes both lowercase and uppercase since those are used in generating the random test data.

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Mark ------=_Part_3982_2519444.1206143066102-- --===============1897419604== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============1897419604==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 21 16:57:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FFE3A6E66; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.749, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FRmRYCD-3p0W; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738AC3A6E9D; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D513E3A6E63 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:55:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJ3OKGrunuNj for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E433A6EB0 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so1877243wxd.31 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=FL9LGmenGo2CSUO5RnZokOkK+P3x05FhTYZGKzZYESg=; b=pDC4CO+rSu6dBVzupo6wb5g+RSmjXTVyR7+gmy5bRZuYysTE5o93IvVaTLS+QGWxVkk4szGyr3xEBIJhfRdIbGNh4pADjLS6Shb2dblUCCDOIAZigQduNAjoMC1cmY2ZAAjf0I1Nrvlgh5lGrhoC+E7Tnnos2iJhK8DrFYTBnj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JXnU5Us97V+DhRiVNmKBT3Ph8mG+lC5eMpdFgES2gWfw345VSWCPzA/UKNXUZAB7hgLdBWCxvqoP71O05xNyQYRjAsI7k03nK78/EiJmAj2Pf4Fls2xpfFYB4KkTouJL3A6y/nd8lP7xaHlRRLlye7p1ENNeMkg/x27gRcJ+Cjs= Received: by 10.150.53.2 with SMTP id b2mr1935226yba.110.1206143210553; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803211646y1e8f48d6l5a9d930174488e0d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:46:50 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "LTRU Working Group" In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803211644t5a50a703l85a07062573d6deb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30b660a20803211644t5a50a703l85a07062573d6deb@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: dd671bf5827dbc6a Subject: Re: [Ltru] ABNF, plus small fix X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1175144553==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============1175144553== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3987_21719120.1206143210558" ------=_Part_3987_21719120.1206143210558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Whoops, bad link. The BNF is at: http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagRegex.txt And here is the code, if anyone cares: http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/tool/CheckLangTagBNF.java Mark On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Mark Davis wrote: > I updated the cldr language tag tests for BCP 47 2008(exp) > > The BNF used both for testing and for generating random strings is at > > > http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagTest.txt > > The canned test data is at: > > > http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagTest.txt > > In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first term in this > item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for consistency they should be > removed: > > language = (2*3ALPHA) *; shortest ISO 639 code* > > / 4ALPHA *; reserved for future use* > / 5*8ALPHA *; registered language subtag* > > > For those interested, the regular expression generated from the BNF is the > following: > > Regex: (?: ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2,3} | [a-z A-Z]{4,8} ))(?: [-] ((?: [a-z > A-Z]{4} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2} | [0-9]{3} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: > [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} > | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: > [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) (?: [-] (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z > 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) > )? ) | ((?: (?i)en [-] GB [-] oed| i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | > enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )| > no [-] (?: bok | nyn )| sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de)| > zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | > yue))) | ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) > > Note that this could be somewhat simpler: it does a few extra things to > get the capture groups to work right, and it includes both lowercase and > uppercase since those are used in generating the random test data. > > -- > Mark -- Mark ------=_Part_3987_21719120.1206143210558 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Whoops, bad link. The BNF is at:


And here is the code, if anyone cares:

Mark

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org> wrote:
I updated the cldr language tag tests for BCP 47 2008(exp)

The BNF used both for testing and for generating random strings is at

The canned test data is at:

In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first term in this item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for consistency they should be removed:

language      = (2*3ALPHA)             ; shortest ISO 639 code


              / 4ALPHA                 ; reserved for future use
              / 5*8ALPHA               ; registered language subtag

For those interested, the regular expression generated from the BNF is the following:

Regex: (?: ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2,3} | [a-z A-Z]{4,8} ))(?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{4} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2} | [0-9]{3} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) (?: [-] (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) )? ) |   ((?: (?i)en [-] GB [-] oed|   i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )|   no [-] (?: bok | nyn )|    sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de)|   zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | yue))) |    ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ ))

Note that this could be somewhat simpler: it does a few extra things to get the capture groups to work right, and it includes both lowercase and uppercase since those are used in generating the random test data.

--
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Mark ------=_Part_3987_21719120.1206143210558-- --===============1175144553== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============1175144553==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 21 18:56:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0C73A69B4; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.06 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.246, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ul6n1hzqvkz4; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8EC3A6CA1; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA103A6CA1 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kftVLPFh01IR for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB983A6BDB for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 4so1317670hsl.5 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:54:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=1dEDGsDPVEdqCTMPyhwdLkrBZgxW0MgEbFUwoVVLR7Y=; b=FjMNy5FfCZ3s25aJEAALmlWTR7lr8W2Z+8Cq7PWdT6xsmw7ByvrTJeeXmgx0pAO8ycIu2lzDwxvuRRJYreKAMrOnyz6xBzpJ18MoJ8ToumZzNu5f6RCv/FN0fAWh6xhGVQ0JXIbTpyH2/tjVWHy4K5su6UCxL2cUvgtkjZvDl24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=M1WnQs4GXM7sX9B/9PnD6l0dz1+n3gVSfJOXGS5+DDU/4Qh7z3Gv9bds46sXMIU5a79yzNp6kVNFuxrhqu5er7tnfxYbzrtIyS6NBgx+92LuzHvaZ2jTbGXq6TvOi/pL+PJH+njOc0HiRVCA2SzLhvhhXyBS9VJ9GGm5RHQx+Po= Received: by 10.150.230.2 with SMTP id c2mr1958842ybh.178.1206150872275; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.9 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30b660a20803211854m3a92ad04hb1142d6433626bba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:54:32 -0700 From: "Mark Davis" To: "LTRU Working Group" In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803211646y1e8f48d6l5a9d930174488e0d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30b660a20803211644t5a50a703l85a07062573d6deb@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20803211646y1e8f48d6l5a9d930174488e0d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 784d4b6779e85982 Subject: Re: [Ltru] ABNF, plus small fix X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1894696024==" Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org --===============1894696024== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4172_6612659.1206150872272" ------=_Part_4172_6612659.1206150872272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline BTW, I made a small change to produce somewhat cleaner regex: Regex: (?i) (?: ( [a-z]{2,3} | [a-z]{4,8} ) (?: [-] ( [a-z]{4} ) )? (?: [-] ( [a-z]{2} | [0-9]{3} ) )? (?: [-] ( (?: [a-z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z 0-9]{3} ) )* ) )? (?: [-] ( [a-w y-z] (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{2,8} )+ (?: [-] [a-w y-z] (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{2,8} )+ )* ) )? (?: [-] ( x (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{1,8} )+ ) )? ) | ( x (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{1,8} )+ ) | ( en [-] GB [-] oed | i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu ) | no [-] (?: bok | nyn ) | sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de ) | zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | yue ) ) On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Mark Davis wrote: > Whoops, bad link. The BNF is at: > > > http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagRegex.txt > > And here is the code, if anyone cares: > > > http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/tool/CheckLangTagBNF.java > > Mark > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Mark Davis > wrote: > > > I updated the cldr language tag tests for BCP 47 2008(exp) > > > > The BNF used both for testing and for generating random strings is at > > > > > > http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagTest.txt > > > > The canned test data is at: > > > > > > http://unicode.org/cldr/data/tools/java/org/unicode/cldr/util/data/langtagTest.txt > > > > In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first term in > > this item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for consistency they should > > be removed: > > > > language = (2*3ALPHA) *; shortest ISO 639 code* > > > > > > / 4ALPHA *; reserved for future use* > > / 5*8ALPHA *; registered language subtag* > > > > > > For those interested, the regular expression generated from the BNF is > > the following: > > > > Regex: (?: ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2,3} | [a-z A-Z]{4,8} ))(?: [-] ((?: [a-z > > A-Z]{4} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2} | [0-9]{3} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: > > [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} > > | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: > > [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) (?: [-] (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z > > 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) > > )? ) | ((?: (?i)en [-] GB [-] oed| i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | > > enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )| > > no [-] (?: bok | nyn )| sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de)| > > zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | > > yue))) | ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) > > > > Note that this could be somewhat simpler: it does a few extra things to > > get the capture groups to work right, and it includes both lowercase and > > uppercase since those are used in generating the random test data. > > > > -- > > Mark > > > > > -- > Mark -- Mark ------=_Part_4172_6612659.1206150872272 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline BTW, I made a small change to produce somewhat cleaner regex:

Regex: (?i)
    (?: ( [a-z]{2,3} | [a-z]{4,8} )
        (?: [-] ( [a-z]{4} ) )?
        (?: [-] ( [a-z]{2} | [0-9]{3} ) )?
        (?: [-] ( (?: [a-z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z 0-9]{3} ) )* ) )?
        (?: [-] ( [a-w y-z] (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{2,8} )+ (?: [-] [a-w y-z] (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{2,8} )+ )* ) )?
        (?: [-] ( x (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{1,8} )+ ) )? )
    | ( x (?: [-] [a-z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )
    | ( en [-] GB [-] oed
        | i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )
        | no [-] (?: bok | nyn )
        | sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de )
        | zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | yue ) ) 

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org> wrote:
Whoops, bad link. The BNF is at:


And here is the code, if anyone cares:

Mark


On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org> wrote:
I updated the cldr language tag tests for BCP 47 2008(exp)

The BNF used both for testing and for generating random strings is at

The canned test data is at:

In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first term in this item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for consistency they should be removed:

language      = (2*3ALPHA)             ; shortest ISO 639 code



              / 4ALPHA                 ; reserved for future use
              / 5*8ALPHA               ; registered language subtag

For those interested, the regular expression generated from the BNF is the following:

Regex: (?: ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2,3} | [a-z A-Z]{4,8} ))(?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{4} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [a-z A-Z]{2} | [0-9]{3} )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) (?: [-] (?: [a-z A-Z 0-9]{5,8} | [0-9] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{3} ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) (?: [-] (?: [a-w y-z A-W Y-Z] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{2,8} )+ ) )* )) )? (?: [-] ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ )) )? ) |   ((?: (?i)en [-] GB [-] oed|   i [-] (?: ami | bnn | default | enochian | hak | klingon | lux | mingo | navajo | pwn | tao | tay | tsu )|   no [-] (?: bok | nyn )|    sgn [-] (?: BE [-] (?: fr | nl) | CH [-] de)|   zh [-] (?: cmn (?: [-] Hans | [-] Hant )? | gan | min (?: [-] nan)? | wuu | yue))) |    ((?: [xX] (?: [-] [a-z A-Z 0-9]{1,8} )+ ))

Note that this could be somewhat simpler: it does a few extra things to get the capture groups to work right, and it includes both lowercase and uppercase since those are used in generating the random test data.

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Mark ------=_Part_4172_6612659.1206150872272-- --===============1894696024== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru --===============1894696024==-- From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 23 23:31:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B55D3A6A0B; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ahtBA9PQJDMX; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D0A3A6B2B; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2A83A6B2B for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sM0YPdKFzEGs for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.115.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3B43A6A0B for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tk1-exhub-c103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.46.187) by TK5-EXGWY-E802.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.240.5; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:29:49 -0700 Received: from NA-EXMSG-C117.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.62.44]) by tk1-exhub-c103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.46.187]) with mapi; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:29:19 -0700 From: Peter Constable To: Addison Phillips , Mark Davis Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:29:13 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action Thread-Index: AciJ4RwmYhPrvrkhQQaap0lfp7BOTgDlz/iQ Message-ID: References: <002801c88988$bba6fda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <30b660a20803190726i2cbf5586o331695ebfe4251af@mail.gmail.com> <47E143A3.40903@yahoo-inc.com> In-Reply-To: <47E143A3.40903@yahoo-inc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Chris Newman , LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org +1 > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Addison Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:48 AM > To: Mark Davis > Cc: LTRU Working Group; Chris Newman > Subject: Re: [Ltru] Possible RFC 3683 PR-action > > +1 > > Mark Davis wrote: > > Very acceptable. > > > > (Myself, I tend to blacklist the person involved in my email client > as > > soon as identified -- but of course that still leaves random clutter > in > > the archives.) > > > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Randy Presuhn > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi - > > > > As co-chair... > > > > It is suspected that someone whose posting privileges to the > > ltru@ietf.org > > mailing list were revoked pursuant to an RFC 3683 PR-action has > been > > posting to the WG mailing list under one or more pseudonyms. > While > > RFC 3683 recognizes the possibility of such misbehavior, it does > not > > prescribe a means of determining when such a situation exists. > As > > suggested by our area director, we propose the following metric: > > > > 1. All chairs and the responsible area director agree that the > > identified > > email address is the person subject to a PR action. > > > > 2. At least one independent participant of the list is informed > that a > > suspected violation of a PR action is in progress without being > > informed of > > the suspect posting address or addresses. That participant must > > independently identify the same posting address or addresses as > the WG > > chairs & AD. > > > > The list should be informed when the metric is applied. > > > > Of course, this action would be subject to the usual appeal > process. > > > > We'd like to get a read on whether the working group feels this > would be > > adequate. I understand "independent participants" in our context > as > > list > > subscribers (other than the chairs, ADs, and editors) who give > some > > indication (such as recent postings) that would indicate that > they are > > actually reading the list. Martin and I think consulting three > such > > participants should provide an adequate degree of confidence that > the > > corrent address(es) have been identified, since that would mean > that > > a total of six people have all come to the same conclusion about > what > > postings were in question and who the poster might be. > > > > Please respond to the ltru@ietf.org list > > indicating whether you find > > this to be an acceptiable approach. > > > > Randy > > > > > > -- > Addison Phillips > Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! 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30 Mar 2008 23:40:43 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c892bf$783f91e0$6501a8c0@DGBP7M81> From: "Doug Ewell" To: "LTRU Working Group" References: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:40:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [Ltru] mailing list UTF-8 check X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org UmFuZHkgUHJlc3VobiA8cmFuZHkgdW5kZXJzY29yZSBwcmVzdWhuIGF0IG1pbmRzcHJpbmcgZG90 IGNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo+IEp1c3QgYSBxdWljayB0ZXN0IHRvIHNlZSB3aGV0aGVyIHRoZSBtYWls aW5nIGxpc3QgYW5kIGFyY2hpdmFsIAo+IHNvZnR3YXJlIGFyZSBub3cgaGFuZGxpbmcgVVRGLTgg cHJvcGVybHkuCj4KPiAiPyIgd2FzIGdsb3NzZWQgYXMgIj8iLgo+IFZpZXRuYW1lc2Ugc25pcHBl dDogImw/aSBjaD8gZD9uID8/ID8/bmggdGk/bmcgIgoKQXMgeW91IGNhbiBzZWUsIHRoZSBkaWdl c3QgZGlkbid0IGNvbWUgb3V0IHdlbGwgYXQgYWxsLiAgQnV0IHRoZSAKV2ViLWJhc2VkIGFyY2hp dmUgbG9va3MgZmluZToKCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlL3dlYi9sdHJ1 L2N1cnJlbnQvbXNnMDk2ODAuaHRtbAoKLS0KRG91ZyBFd2VsbCAgKiAgRnVsbGVydG9uLCBDYWxp Zm9ybmlhLCBVU0EgICogIFJGQyA0NjQ1ICAqICBVVE4gIzE0Cmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZXdlbGxpYy5v cmcKaHR0cDovL3d3dzEuaWV0Zi5vcmcvaHRtbC5jaGFydGVycy9sdHJ1LWNoYXJ0ZXIuaHRtbApo dHRwOi8vd3d3LmFsdmVzdHJhbmQubm8vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pZXRmLWxhbmd1YWdlcyAg y4YKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkx0cnUg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Ckx0cnVAaWV0Zi5vcmcKaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9s aXN0aW5mby9sdHJ1Cg== From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 31 11:59:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5360E28C3B2; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5484A28C3B2 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wTalUPqmx5Wg for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4AE28C3B1 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.21.37.80] (duringperson-lx.corp.yahoo.com [172.21.37.80]) by rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2VIw070071480; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=1MdQ7b+gKwhiCYi7K25mkS6gE4pf5zDaU76XQS7LHM5tEEUQpUTmrGNqf0pjK9Ga Message-ID: <47F13438.6000804@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:58:00 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Davis References: <30b660a20803211644t5a50a703l85a07062573d6deb@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20803211646y1e8f48d6l5a9d930174488e0d@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20803211854m3a92ad04hb1142d6433626bba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30b660a20803211854m3a92ad04hb1142d6433626bba@mail.gmail.com> Cc: LTRU Working Group Subject: Re: [Ltru] ABNF, plus small fix X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mark Davis wrote: > In so doing, I found the following small text item. The first > term in this item in the ABNF no longer needs parens, so for > consistency they should be removed: > > language = (2*3ALPHA) /; shortest ISO 639 code/ > (editor hat on) Removed the parentheses from the editor copy of draft-13. Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 31 12:20:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B2E3A6909; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568A228C469; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I2QkR0fmt6kq; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.nexbyte.net (132.nexbyte.net [62.197.41.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A396828C523; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 145.nexbyte.net ([62.197.41.145]) by mx1.nexbyte.net (mx1.nexbyte.net [62.197.41.132]) (MDaemon PRO v9.6.4) with ESMTP id md50007948094.msg; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:13:20 +0100 X-Spam-Processed: mx1.nexbyte.net, Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:13:20 +0100 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 62.197.41.145 X-Return-Path: prvs=1976a480a6=debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk X-Envelope-From: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk Received: from CPQ86763045110 ([83.67.121.192]) by 145.nexbyte.net with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:05:15 +0100 From: "Debbie Garside" To: "'Debbie Garside'" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:04:47 +0100 Message-ID: <31c101c89362$1b9a6340$0a00a8c0@CPQ86763045110> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciTYhYh9+XZq7EsQMuxaf59lhC7Fw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-MDAV-Processed: mx1.nexbyte.net, Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:13:21 +0100 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Ltru] OT: GUM3C 2008 WLDC Conference Call - Call for Papers and Workshops X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Conference Announcement -------------Global Understanding in Multilingual, Multimodal and Multimedia Contexts------------- --------------------- GUM3C --------------------- http://www.gum3c.org http://www.thewldc.org The World Language Documentation Centre, together with Bangor University and Language Standards for Global Business, wishes to announce a major multidisciplinary conference to celebrate 2008 as the International Year of Languages August 22-23, 2008 To be held at the Bangor University Business Management Conference Centre This event is supported by the Welsh Assembly Government and the UK National Committee to UNESCO The United Nations announced that 2008 would be the International Year of Languages, recognizing the importance of multilingualism in supporting international understanding. The GUM3C conference will attempt to bridge the communications gap between academia and industry, asking (and attempting to answer) such questions: How can industry help academia prioritize its research in the 3 Ms? What are the developing standards, who are developing them and will they be used? How will this generate peace, prosperity and global understanding? Keynote Speakers: Christian Galinski, Director of Infoterm and Secretary of ISO TC/37 David Crystal, Honorary Professor, Bangor University Richard Ennals, Director of the UK National Commission for UNESCO Call for papers: Full papers and poster submissions are invited for peer-review that present original and unpublished contributions to the themes of: protection, curation and preservation of languages and cultures resources for less-resourced languages infrastructural support for multilingualism language description and documentation ethnicity, identity and language multimodal communications and support for disabilities web-corpus linguistics challenges and benefits of the multilingual internet multimedia ontologies and the semantic/pragmatic web and topics generally related to challenges for terminologies, lexica, ontologies, and related content resources. Call for workshops: Submissions for dedicated workshops are encouraged. Workshop organizers should submit calls to the conference committee, identifying target audience, workshop topics, workshop organizers and their affiliations. Workshops aimed at SMEs and the software, translation and creative industry sectors are especially welcome. The conference has the use of a dedicated IT suite with 25 computer terminals for the conference (details can be found here) and so is able to host specialist hands-on workshops. Other seminar rooms available have good quality presentation equipment including data projectors and large screens. Important dates: Submission deadline May 15, 2008 Notification June 15, 2008 Registration and camera ready copy June 30, 2008 Final author manuscripts will be 8.5" x 11" (two columns IEEE format:). Full papers should not exceed 8 pages. Poster submissions not exceeding 4 pages. Word template and formatting instructions can be found here. 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Anja Drame, Info Term Eva-Maria Leitner, Language Standards for Global Business Chairperson Scientific Committee: Anja Drame, InfoTerm Anthony Aristar, Linguist List Chris Cox, GLMDR Quality and Compliance Manager Debbie Garside, CEO, WLDC Delyth Prys, Bangor University Don Osborn, Bisharat Doug Ewell, IETF Eva-Maria Leitner, Language Standards for Global Business Chairperson Gerard Meijssen, OmegaWiki Gerhard Budin, Chairman, ISO/TC 37 SC2 Havard Hjulstad, Chairman, ISO/TC 37 and ISO/TC 37 SC2 WG1 Jennifer de Camp, MITRE John Cowan, IETF Jonathan Amith, Yale University Karen Broome, Industry Expert Khaled Fattal, CEO, Multilingual Internet Names Consortium Laurent Romary, Director, Max-Planck Digital Library Lee Gillam, University of Surrey Maosong Sun, Tsinghua University Beijing Martin Benjamin, Kamusi Project Michael Everson, Unicode Consortium Registrar for ISO 15924 Mike Roberts, Chairman, BSI/TC TS/1 Peter Austin, SOAS Peter Wittenburg, Technical Director, Max-Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics Sue Ellen Wright, Kent State University Institute for Applied Linguistics Social Events The timing of the conference will coincide with The Bryn Terfel Gala and participants will be able to enjoy the evening concerts at this internationally renowned festival. See http://www.brynfest.com for more details. Travel and Accommodation Good quality accommodation is available at a reasonable Price at Bangor University either at the Business Management Centre or at the Halls of Residence. All rooms are en-suite and have Internet facilities etc. Airports with Transport Links to Bangor Both Liverpool and Manchester airports are within a 1.5 hour drive from Bangor. London airports are also within reach and may be combined with rail travel. Bangor is located on the direct London to Holyhead railway line. There is also the possibility of a shuttle bus for people coming in via Manchester airport. Dublin is also possible for people flying in - fast ferry is only 99 minutes to Holyhead and a 20 minute ride to Bangor. Debbie Garside CEO The World Language Documentation Centre Corner House Barn Street Haverfordwest Pembrokeshire SA61 1BW Wales UK Tel: 0044 1437 766441 Fax: 0044 1437 766173 Web: http://www.thewldc.org _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 31 13:02:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD923A6ACE; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A163D28C3B7 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fwG8fXq5qVjK for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52E3A6B34 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.21.37.80] (duringperson-lx.corp.yahoo.com [172.21.37.80]) by rsmtp1.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id m2VK2Olg075587 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject: content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YfRVSlfWXHBS0JsR1g/1mL5FrXy0lXtHuA0joj7LdHc1bCjMGTApAbWv71kAAlOI Message-ID: <47F1434F.7000409@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:23 -0700 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'LTRU Working Group'" Subject: [Ltru] MD48: conflicts in requirements X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org Mark previously wrote to the list about this issue, in an email dated 17 March at 17:27 Pacific time and titled "[Ltru] Editorial comments on draft-4646bis-12", appearing in the archive here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg09656.html This comment turns on the fact that we added the requirement for valid tags to obey the Prefix field in one of the 4646bis drafts. It was not present in 4646. I support making the change Mark proposes. Failing that, we should modify 2.2.5 and 3.1.2 appropriately. Following the '====' is the complete text of Mark's comment. Addison ==== MD 48 Conflict We have two notions of "goodness" defined in Section 2.9. Well-formedness, and validity. Well-formed. It is well-formed when it follows the ABNF in Section 2.1. That is clear. Valid. We then say in 2.2.9 that it is valid when 3 conditions hold: A tag is considered "valid" if it well-formed and it also satisfies these conditions: * The tag is either a grandfathered tag, or all of its language, script, region, and variant subtags appear in the IANA language subtag registry as of the particular registry date. * There are no duplicate singleton (extension) subtags and no duplicate variant subtags. * For each subtag that has a 'Prefix' field in the registry, the Prefix matches the language tag using Extended Filtering (Phillips, A. and M. Davis, "Matching of Language Tags," September 2006.) [RFC4647]. That is, each subtag in the Prefix is present in the tag and in the same order. Furthermore, all of the Prefix's subtags MUST appear before the subtag. For example, the Prefix "zh-TW" matches the tag "zh-Hant-TW". We also define "valid" for a given extension. We explicitly do not list that a valid tag also satisfy all of the MUSTs in sections 2.2.1 through 2.2.9. That is because: 1. some of those MUSTs are actually requirements on the registration policy -- given that MUSTs have been obeyed, the contents of the registry can be assumed to be cool. 2. some of those MUSTs are just reflecting the ABNF (eg that the script subtag MUST follow the language subtag 3. all the other MUSTs are for extension tag stuff (and we define "valid for an extension" separately) After scanning through all these MUSTs, there are conflicts between 2.9 plus 3.1.2, which are in terms of MUST, and 2.2.5 and 3.1.2 which are SHOULD and "appropriate". 2.2.5. Variant Subtags ...The 'Prefix' indicates the language tag or tags that would make a suitable prefix (with other subtags, as appropriate) in forming a language tag with the variant. That is, each of the subtags in the prefix SHOULD appear, in order, before the variant... 3.1.7. Prefix Field The 'Prefix' field contains an extended language range whose subtags are appropriate to use with this subtag: each of the subtags in one of the subtag's Prefix fields MUST appear before the variant in a valid tag. For example, the variant subtag '1996' has a 'Prefix' field of "de". This means that tags starting with the sequence "de-" are appropriate with this subtag, so "de-Latg-1996" and "de-CH-1996" are both acceptable, while the tag "fr-1996" is an inappropriate choice. 3.1.2. Record Definitions ...For example, the 'Prefix' for the variant 'nedis' is 'sl', meaning that the tags "sl-nedis" and "sl-IT-nedis" are appropriate while the tag "is-nedis" is not. We can't say both that something is a SHOULD or simply "appropriate", and also that it is a MUST. We need to change this uniformly to be either MUST and use the term "valid", or change this uniformly to be SHOULD and use the term "appropriate". That is, the document as it stands is contradictory, and someone could take either position on how Prefixes need to be treated by conformant implementations. So we have to resolve this one way or another. My recommendation would be uniformly SHOULD/appropriate, mostly because prefixes are edge cases that simply aren't worth testing for. I'm perfectly happy saying that an implementation isn't conformant if it doesn't check the registry for subtag validity; but prefixes are just not so important that I'd be happy saying that an implementation isn't conformant if it doesn't check for them. The result would be changing 3.1.7 MUST to SHOULD and in 2.9 would be the following (with minor wordsmithing): A tag is considered "valid" when it satisfies these conditions: * The tag is well-formed. * The tag is either a grandfathered tag, or all of its language, script, region, and variant subtags appear in the IANA language subtag registry as of the particular registry date. * The tag has no duplicate singleton (extension) subtags and no duplicate variant subtags. ==== END OF MARK'S COMMENT ==== -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru