From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Wed Jan 13 10:49:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F2628C134; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mqlTnqGeU9bQ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED2828C111; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:49:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Yb1dk3rBnp02JbhKopAIkvCbBAvqakOxzxIEcLZ/belASbuZjTmkUc+L4PJP6P4F; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.254.49.211] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NV8Hj-0001uX-IZ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:49:39 -0500 Message-ID: <008801ca9481$9a2ccdc0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: , "Disman" , "LTRU Working Group" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:52:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888494b88d665f13b40f6800d4dac5defdd281aeb94907e9363350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.254.49.211 Subject: [Ltru] Fw: Boilerplate changes Required for TLP 4.0 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:49:43 -0000 Hi - Forwarded for your information. Randy ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshall Eubanks" > To: > Cc: "Trustees" ; "Working Group Chairs" ; "Internet Research Steering Group" ; "RFC Interest" > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:47 AM > Subject: Boilerplate changes Required for TLP 4.0 > > Colleagues, > > Some concerns have been raised about tooling issues and boilerplate > changes. At present, for example, xml2rfc is not supported, and > because of this it is not clear when it will be possible to update it > to support the new boilerplate. However, Alternate Stream documents > have been blocked for some time waiting for the new Trust Legal > Provisions (TLP), and it was decided to unblock these documents with > TLP 4.0 even in the absence of xml2rfc support. (There is an open call > for volunteers to support xml2rfc, and I would encourage interested > parties to contact Russ Housley.) > > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL > NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and > "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in > RFC 2119. > > If for any reason the tool of your choice has not been upgraded by the > end of the grace period on February 1 then the following two minor > changes need to be made to Internet-Draft boilerplates before > submission. Note that the changes are different for IETF Stream and > for Alternate Stream Documents. The changes for the IETF stream are > editorial (as noted by a SHOULD in the text below) and drafts produced > by the current tools for that stream are therefore compliant with TLP > 4.0. 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Randy ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:30 PM > Subject: I-D Action:draft-davis-u-langtag-ext-00.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : BCP 47 Extension U > Author(s) : M. Davis, et al. > Filename : draft-davis-u-langtag-ext-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2010-01-14 > > This document specifies an Extension to BCP 47 which provides subtags > that specify language and/or locale-based behavior or refinements to > language tags, according to work done by the Unicode Consortium. > > Status of this Memo > > This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the > provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering > Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. 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Please review these documents > carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect > to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must > include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of > the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as > described in the BSD License. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-davis-u-langtag-ext-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9568.309096C0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-davis-u-langtag-ext-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-davis-u-langtag-ext-00.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-01-14202200.I-D@ietf.org> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9568.309096C0-- From felix.sasaki@googlemail.com Sun Jan 17 16:42:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9915F3A680C for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4yy8bJmrO0GE for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f192.google.com (mail-yx0-f192.google.com [209.85.210.192]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1777C3A67B3 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe30 with SMTP id 30so2241299yxe.29 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8FQ+zBYVmovtg+Pimoi3or8EmjlzhodS5dj0F3rKjz0=; b=izzU7GvDTI5iOsnU39K+muih48krae1+5Kf4Rm7oo/k8peHAbrUh4AlcqbTsshnIVH 1R8LEQ1Md6Y+s5zbdpmHMk1JViqHEd1guxy6bRY9UP2TAV9zwy19PtuVQY21w5VzKTno 65fk6h9++kFYIgsG/tpv905SbNq/z/C1x7kkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=cvcanLc/jbD9Rp8kEE4MVCLiT+ux1kqmkKAOsm3iHHIN+2LMmkeIwO889ADwA9W1K5 Of9yJKwcxfcfFxK3Ml2Dw4hUJcdZEA7B0GTJXEqgThpH/Go7vGwGZM9qmJ6CVbI/Q0M4 te4qa3CLmul+F/GVIDojVdBo3cwiGdHJw2H80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: felix.sasaki@googlemail.com Received: by 10.101.82.17 with SMTP id j17mr8508061anl.99.1263775333408; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:42:13 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9a848b1f4c7edf64 Message-ID: From: Felix Sasaki To: LTRU Working Group Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed68ced2dedb047d659f00 Subject: [Ltru] URIs for language tags X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:42:21 -0000 --001636ed68ced2dedb047d659f00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, I am working on an RDF-representation of language tags, to be automatically generated by my language tag analyzer. See http://www.w3.org/2007/08/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input=az-baku1926 as an example of the extracted RDF, and http://tinyurl.com/y88lv45 for a visualization of the generated RDF triples. This is very experimental, and I'd liked to get feedback esp. on the URIs, for the complete language tag, the subtags, and the predicates interrelating them in statements like http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry#language/az http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry#partOfLanguageTag http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input=az-baku1926 (of course the last URI is totally out of scope, please regard it as a placeholder). Thank you for your feedback in advance, Felix --001636ed68ced2dedb047d659f00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

I am working on an RDF-representation of language tags, to be= automatically generated by my language tag analyzer. See
http://www.w3.org/2007/08/py= Rdfa/extract?uri=3Dhttp://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/lta/language-tags/q?= input=3Daz-baku1926
as an example of the extracted RDF,
and http://tinyurl.com/y88lv45 for a visualization of the generated = RDF triples. This is very experimental, and I'd liked to get feedback e= sp. on the URIs, for the complete language tag, the subtags, and the predic= ates interrelating them in statements like

http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry#language= /az
http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-regi= stry#partOfLanguageTag
http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input= =3Daz-baku1926

(of course the last URI is totally out of scope, = please regard it as a placeholder).

Thank you for your feedback in advance,

Felix
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Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000 From: Marion Gunn Subject: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish In-reply-to: <50321E22-9B04-49D6-ABBB-05F74B228748@psu.edu> Sender: TC46-L Information and Documentation Technology List To: TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Reply-to: TC46-L Information and Documentation Technology List Message-id: <4B55D319.6030607@ucd.ie> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Precedence: list Delivered-to: indigo.ie-mgunn@indigo.ie Delivered-to: egt.ie-mgunn@EGT.IE X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.19.153317 References: <50321E22-9B04-49D6-ABBB-05F74B228748@psu.edu> Comments: To: Scholars and students of Old Irish , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fidelma_N=ED_Ghallchobhair?= , Ian Cowan , Gay Moran List-Owner: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) X-Perlmx-Spam: report=' BODY_SIZE_3000_3999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, RATWARE_LC_DIGITS_HELO 0, TO_NO_NAME 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_LIST_HEADER 0, __HAS_LIST_HELP 0, __HAS_LIST_SUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_LIST_UNSUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0',probability='8%' As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years= =20 during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46= =20 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, i= f=20 any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with = the=20 assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma N=ED=20 Gallchobhair of the Coiste T=E9arma=EDochta (my successor in ISO/TC 3= 7,=20 which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla U=ED= =20 Bhraon=E1in of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would= =20 never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registerin= g=20 such a tag (rather the reverse). mg Scr=EDobh ejp10: > Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The= =20 > ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the= =20 > older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may= be=20 > some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepte= d=20 > because the language is so distinct from Old Irish. > > I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of= =20 > assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise= =20 > everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :) > > Elizabeth > > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wr= ote: > >> From: Caoimhin O Donnaile >> Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST >> Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish >> >> >> When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Ir= ish / >> Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet: >> >> =20 >> http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga= =3Dx-xog >> >> I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because= it=20 >> seems >> that although there are official codes for: >> >> gv Modern Manx >> gd Modern Scottish Gaelic >> ga Modern Irish >> ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries) >> mga Middle Irish >> sga Old Irish >> >> xtg Transalpine Gaulish >> xcg Cisalpine Gaulish >> xce Celtiberian >> >> as can be seen from the lists at: >> >> http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html >> http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp >> >> there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been= =20 >> talking to >> David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Iris= h=20 >> (at the >> middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big= as=20 >> the >> step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be= =20 >> appropriate >> to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code w= e=20 >> could >> find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, = the=20 >> next >> step would be for us to fill in the request form at: >> >> http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp >> http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc >> >> I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any= =20 >> comments. >> Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs? >> >> Caoimh=EDn > > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > Elizabeth J. Pyatt, Ph.D. > Instructional Designer > Education Technology Services, TLT/ITS > Penn State University > ejp10@psu.edu, (814) 865-0805 or (814) 865-2030 (Main Office) > > 210 Rider Building (formerly Rider II) > 227 W. Beaver Avenue > State College, PA 16801-4819 > http://www.personal.psu.edu/ejp10/psu > http://tlt.psu.edu > --------------070702050708090702030409-- From mgunn@egt.ie Wed Jan 20 05:10:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746A93A6A61 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.989 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.609, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xjAJUr7D1T2s for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail26.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail26.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C63293A67AD for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 81335 messnum 8405701 invoked from network[86.44.89.191/86-44-89-191-dynamic.b-ras2.bbh.dublin.eircom.net]); 20 Jan 2010 13:10:04 -0000 Received: from 86-44-89-191-dynamic.b-ras2.bbh.dublin.eircom.net (HELO Marion-Gunns-Computer.local) (86.44.89.191) by mail26.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 81335) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 13:10:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4B5700AB.80703@egt.ie> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:10:03 +0000 From: Marion Gunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ltru >> 'LTRU Working Group'" References: <4B55D3D0.2000300@egt.ie> <4B57000D.5000707@ucd.ie> In-Reply-To: <4B57000D.5000707@ucd.ie> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070709000109060600030909" Subject: Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish] X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:10:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070709000109060600030909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scríobh Peter Constable: > > ... I think procedural issues would more likely be about demonstrating > that the user / expert community recognizes a conventional distinction > between the different varieties and that there is reasonable consensus > as to what the pertinent historical distinctions in the evolution of > Irish are. > > > > > > Cheers > > Peter > That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited). mg To: TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE From: Marion Gunn Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000 As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering such a tag (rather the reverse). mg Scríobh ejp10: Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted because the language is so distinct from Old Irish. I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :) Elizabeth On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote: From: Caoimhin O Donnaile Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish / Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems that although there are official codes for: gv Modern Manx gd Modern Scottish Gaelic ga Modern Irish ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries) mga Middle Irish sga Old Irish xtg Transalpine Gaulish xcg Cisalpine Gaulish xce Celtiberian as can be seen from the lists at: http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been talking to David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we could find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the next step would be for us to fill in the request form at: http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any comments. Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs? Caoimhín -- Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991) 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an Bhóthair, An Charraig Dhubh, Co. Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland * mgunn@egt.ie * eamonn@egt.ie * --------------070709000109060600030909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Scríobh Peter Constable:

... I think procedural issues would more likely be about demonstrating that the user / expert community recognizes a conventional distinction between the different varieties and that there is reasonable consensus as to what the pertinent historical distinctions in the evolution of Irish are.

 

 

Cheers

Peter


That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited).
mg

To:
TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
From: Marion Gunn <mgunn@ucd.ie>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000

As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering such a tag (rather the reverse).
mg


Scríobh ejp10:
Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted because the language is so distinct from Old Irish.

I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :)

Elizabeth


On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote:

From: Caoimhin O Donnaile <caoimhin@SMO.UHI.AC.UK>
Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST
Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish


When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish /
Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet:

  http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog

I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems
that although there are official codes for:

 gv   Modern Manx
 gd   Modern Scottish Gaelic
 ga   Modern Irish
 ghc  Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries)
 mga  Middle Irish
 sga  Old Irish

 xtg  Transalpine Gaulish
 xcg  Cisalpine Gaulish
 xce  Celtiberian

as can be seen from the lists at:

 http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html
 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp

there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish.  I have been talking to
David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the
middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the
step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate
to give Primitive Irish a separate language code.  The best code we could
find which is still free is "pgl".  If we proceed with a request, the next
step would be for us to fill in the request form at:

 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp
 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc

I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any comments.
Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs?

Caoimhín




--
Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab

Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)

27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an

Bhóthair, An Charraig Dhubh,

Co. Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland

* mgunn@egt.ie * eamonn@egt.ie *

--------------070709000109060600030909-- From mgunn@ucd.ie Wed Jan 20 05:07:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D063A6902 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:07:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FAgDPBGXIHLf for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail10.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail10.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DE5C43A67AD for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93323 messnum 12163534 invoked from network[86.44.89.191/86-44-89-191-dynamic.b-ras2.bbh.dublin.eircom.net]); 20 Jan 2010 13:07:26 -0000 Received: from 86-44-89-191-dynamic.b-ras2.bbh.dublin.eircom.net (HELO Marion-Gunns-Computer.local) (86.44.89.191) by mail10.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 93323) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 13:07:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4B57000D.5000707@ucd.ie> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:07:25 +0000 From: Marion Gunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ISO639-3@sil.org" , "ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" , 'LTRU Working Group' , Ian Cowan , Gay Moran , Scholars and students of Old Irish , tc46-l@listserv.heanet.ie References: <4B55D3D0.2000300@egt.ie> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020808080706000708050601" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:26:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish] X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:07:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020808080706000708050601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scríobh Peter Constable: > > ... I think procedural issues would more likely be about demonstrating > that the user / expert community recognizes a conventional distinction > between the different varieties and that there is reasonable consensus > as to what the pertinent historical distinctions in the evolution of > Irish are. > > > > > > Cheers > > Peter > That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited). mg To: TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE From: Marion Gunn Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000 As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering such a tag (rather the reverse). mg Scríobh ejp10: Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted because the language is so distinct from Old Irish. I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :) Elizabeth On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote: From: Caoimhin O Donnaile Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish / Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems that although there are official codes for: gv Modern Manx gd Modern Scottish Gaelic ga Modern Irish ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries) mga Middle Irish sga Old Irish xtg Transalpine Gaulish xcg Cisalpine Gaulish xce Celtiberian as can be seen from the lists at: http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been talking to David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we could find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the next step would be for us to fill in the request form at: http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any comments. Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs? Caoimhín --------------020808080706000708050601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scríobh Peter Constable:
Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab

... I think procedural issues would more likely be about demonstrating that the user / expert community recognizes a conventional distinction between the different varieties and that there is reasonable consensus as to what the pertinent historical distinctions in the evolution of Irish are.

 

 

Cheers

Peter


That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited).
mg

To:
TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
From: Marion Gunn <mgunn@ucd.ie>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000

As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering such a tag (rather the reverse).
mg


Scríobh ejp10:
Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted because the language is so distinct from Old Irish.

I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :)

Elizabeth


On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote:

From: Caoimhin O Donnaile <caoimhin@SMO.UHI.AC.UK>
Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST
Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish


When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish /
Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet:

  http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog

I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems
that although there are official codes for:

 gv   Modern Manx
 gd   Modern Scottish Gaelic
 ga   Modern Irish
 ghc  Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries)
 mga  Middle Irish
 sga  Old Irish

 xtg  Transalpine Gaulish
 xcg  Cisalpine Gaulish
 xce  Celtiberian

as can be seen from the lists at:

 http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html
 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp

there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish.  I have been talking to
David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the
middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the
step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate
to give Primitive Irish a separate language code.  The best code we could
find which is still free is "pgl".  If we proceed with a request, the next
step would be for us to fill in the request form at:

 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp
 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc

I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any comments.
Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs?

Caoimhín


--------------020808080706000708050601-- From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Wed Jan 20 13:06:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACBB28C0EA for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5gR5Gm3mZnO7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3013A67A7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:06:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=tx2955L0XLXnu046vm0a+a4O08GzXR80AROOr+Slbz1SqMhLb+RAC+Vq7W67u+y0; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.38.145.149] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhkc-0003Og-ME; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00b101ca9a14$d943c0c0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Marion Gunn" , , , "'LTRU Working Group'" , "Ian Cowan" , "Gay Moran" , "Scholars and students of Old Irish" , References: <4B55D3D0.2000300@egt.ie> <4B57000D.5000707@ucd.ie> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:09:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888494b88d665f13b402724e08a0bff8c30753689f313d54bda350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.38.145.149 Subject: Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish] X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:06:14 -0000 Hi - As ltru@ietf.org list administrator... Why is this being sent to the ltru list? As a discussion of a specific language, rather than of BCP 47 in general, this discussion really doesn't seem appropriate for ltru@ietf.org Please drop ltru@ietf.org from this thread. Randy ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion Gunn" > To: ; ; "'LTRU Working Group'" ; "Ian Cowan" ; "Gay Moran" ; "Scholars and students of Old Irish" ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish] > > Scríobh Peter Constable: > > > > ... I think procedural issues would more likely be about demonstrating > > that the user / expert community recognizes a conventional distinction > > between the different varieties and that there is reasonable consensus > > as to what the pertinent historical distinctions in the evolution of > > Irish are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > > > That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill > in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list > OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited). > mg > > To: > TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > From: Marion Gunn > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000 > > As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years > during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 > delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if > any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the > assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní > Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, > which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí > Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would > never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering > such a tag (rather the reverse). > mg > > > Scríobh ejp10: > Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The > ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the > older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be > some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted > because the language is so distinct from Old Irish. > > I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of > assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise > everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :) > > Elizabeth > > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote: > > From: Caoimhin O Donnaile > Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST > Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish > > > When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish / > Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet: > > http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog > > I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems > that although there are official codes for: > > gv Modern Manx > gd Modern Scottish Gaelic > ga Modern Irish > ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries) > mga Middle Irish > sga Old Irish > > xtg Transalpine Gaulish > xcg Cisalpine Gaulish > xce Celtiberian > > as can be seen from the lists at: > > http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html > http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp > > there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been > talking to > David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the > middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the > step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate > to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we could > find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the next > step would be for us to fill in the request form at: > > http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp > http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc > > I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any > comments. > Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs? > > Caoimhín > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru >