From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Wed Jun 9 12:25:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6A43A67CF; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XTD3YB91MerT; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E993A689E; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:25:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=m94ERtRkpUPMUhzWZyamLtHd5lLeLKKqtl5bb/9tNCbFQkU8qK2ez2sIyJnq2+DN; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.23.162.235] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OMQth-0004c3-B3; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:25:09 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01cb0809$a1ebbca0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman" , , "LTRU Working Group" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:26:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888a91fc720532780352b8d529afce628e8fb9dff1dfe13ff5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.23.162.235 Subject: [Ltru] Fw: 78th IETF - Working Group - REMINDER X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:25:09 -0000 Hi - Forwarded for your information, in case you'd like to request a BOF. Randy > From: "IETF Agenda" > To: "Working Group Chairs" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:55 AM > Subject: 78th IETF - Working Group - REMINDER > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > 78th IETF Maastricht, Netherlands > Meeting Dates: July 25-30, 2010 > Host: SIDN > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF meetings start Monday morning and run through Friday mid-afternoon > (15:15). > > We are accepting scheduling requests for all Working Groups and BOFs > starting today. The milestones and deadlines for scheduling-related > activities are as follows: > > NOTE: cutoff dates are subject to change. > > 2010-06-01 (Tuesday): Cutoff date for BOF proposal requests to Area > Directors at 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). To request a BOF, please see > instructions on Requesting a BOF. > 2010-06-14 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to schedule Working Group > meetings at 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). To request a Working Group session, use > the IETF Meeting Session Request Tool. ** Please note - if you send in > your request after this date your Working Group will not be scheduled > until after the Preliminary agenda has been published (Wednesday, June 23, > 2010) and will NOT receive priority scheduling. ** > 2010-06-14 (Monday): Cutoff date for Area Directors to approve BOFs at > 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). > 2010-06-23 (Wednesday): Preliminary agenda published for comment. > 2010-06-28 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working Group > and BOF meetings 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). > 2010-07-02 (Friday): Final agenda to be published. > 2010-07-14 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT (24:00 > UTC), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. > 2010-07-19 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT (24:00 > UTC), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. > > Submitting Requests for Working Group and BOF Sessions > > Please submit requests to schedule your Working Group sessions using the > "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool," a Web-based tool for submitting all > of the information that the Secretariat requires to schedule your > sessions. > > The URL for the tool is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_session_requester.cgi > > Instructions for using the tool are available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/instructions/session_request_tool_instruction.html > > Please send requests to schedule your BOF sessions to agenda@ietf.org. > Please include the acronym of your BOF in the subject line of the message, > and include all of the information specified in item (4) of "Requesting > Meeting Sessions at IETF Meetings" in the body. (This document is > included below.) > > Submitting Session Agendas > > For the convenience of meeting attendees, we ask that you submit the > agendas for your Working Group sessions as early as possible. Draft > Working Group agendas are due Wednesday, July 14 by 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). > Revised Working Group agendas are due no later than Monday, July 19 at > 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). The proposed agenda for a BOF session should be > submitted along with your request for a session. Please be sure to copy > your Area Director on that message. > > Please submit the agendas for your Working Group sessions using the "IETF > Meeting Materials Management Tool," a Web-based tool for making your > meeting agenda, minutes, and presentation slides available to the > community before, during, and after an IETF meeting. If you are a BOF > chair, then you may use the tool to submit a revised agenda as well as > other materials for your BOF once the BOF has been approved. > > The URL for the tool is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi > > Additional information about this tool is available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/instructions/meeting_materials_tool.html > > Agendas submitted via the tool will be available to the public on the > "IETF Meeting Materials" Web page as soon as they are submitted. > > The URL for the "IETF 78 Meeting Materials" Web page is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=78 > > If you are a Working Group chair, then you already have accounts on the > "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool" and the "IETF Meeting Materials > Management Tool." The same User ID and password will work for both tools. > > > If you are a BOF chair who is not also a Working Group chair, then you > will be given an account on the "IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool" > when your BOF has been approved. If you require assistance in using > either tool, or wish to report a bug, then please send a message to: > ietf-action@ietf.org. > =============================================================== > For your convenience, comprehensive information on requesting meeting > sessions at IETF 78 is presented below: > > 1. Requests to schedule Working Group sessions should be submitted using > the "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool," a Web-based tool for submitting > all of the information required by the Secretariat to schedule your > sessions. The URL for the tool is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_session_requester.cgi > > Instructions for using the tool are available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/instructions/session_request_tool_instruction.html > > If you require an account on this tool, or assistance in using it, then > please send a message to ietf-action@ietf.org. If you are unable to use > the tool, then you may send your request via e-mail to agenda@ietf.org, > with a copy to the appropriate Area Director(s). > > Requests to schedule BOF sessions must be sent to agenda@ietf.org with a > copy to the appropriate Area Director(s). > > When submitting a Working Group or BOF session request by e-mail, please > include the Working Group or BOF acronym in the Subject line. > > 2. BOFs will NOT be scheduled unless the Area Director(s) approved > request is accompanied by a BOF'S FULL NAME AND ACRONYM, AREA, CHAIR(S) > NAME(S) (given together with e-mail address(es)), AN AGENDA AND FULL > DESCRIPTION, and the information requested in (4) below. (Please read the > BOF Procedure at: http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1bof-procedures.txt before > requesting a session for a BOF.) > > 3. A Working Group may request either one or two sessions. If your > Working Group requires more than two sessions, then your request must be > approved by an Area Director. Additional sessions will be assigned, based > on availability, after Monday, June 28 at 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC), the > cut-off date for requests to reschedule a session. > > 4. You MUST provide the following information before a Working Group or > BOF session will be scheduled: > > a. Working Group or BOF full name with acronym in brackets: > > b. AREA under which Working Group or BOF appears: > > c. CONFLICTS you wish to avoid, please be as specific as possible: > > d. Expected Attendance (figures from the 77th IETF meeting are > included at the end of this message): > > e. Special requests: > > f. Number of sessions: > > g. Length of session: > - 1 hour > - 1 1/2 hours > - 2 hours > - 2 1/2 hours > > For more information on scheduling Working Group and BOF sessions, please > refer to RFC 2418 (BCP 25), "IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures" > (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2418.txt). > =============================================================== > For your convenience please find here a list of the IETF Area Directors > with their e-mail addresses: > > IETF Chair > Russ Housley > > Applications Area (app) > Alexey Melnikov Peter Saint-Andre > > > Internet Area (int) > Jari Arkko > Ralph Droms > > Operations & Management Area (ops) > Ronald Bonica > Dan Romascanu > > Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area (rai) Gonzalo Camarillo > Robert Sparks > > Routing Area (rtg) > Stewart Bryant > Adrian Farrel > > Security Area (sec) > Tim Polk > Sean Turner > > Transport Area (tsv) > Lars Eggert > David Harrington > =========================================================== > 77th IETF Meeting Attendance Number > > 6lowpan 108 > 6man 125 > alto 157 > ancp 20 > apparea (AG) 79 > autoconf 31 > avt 47 > avt (2nd session) 43 > behave 130 > behave (2nd session) 63 > bmwg 23 > ccamp 96 > ccamp (2nd session) 94 > codec-BOF 95 > conex-BOF 112 > conex-BOF (2nd session) 80 > core 145 > csi 19 > decade 48 > dhc 53 > dime 30 > dnsext 145 > dnsop 106 > drinks 44 > dtnrg (RG) 51 > e2md-BOF 11 > eai 29 > ecrit 63 > emu 33 > fecframe 10 > forces 21 > geopriv 60 > grow 38 > hip 34 > hiprg (RG) 33 > hokey 11 > hokey (2nd session) 27 > httpbis 39 > httpstate 31 > hybi 31 > iccrg (RG) 65 > idr 106 > intarea (AG) 213 > ipfix 27 > ippm 29 > ipsecme 55 > iri 22 > isis 42 > kitten 13 > krb-wg 25 > l2vpn 51 > l3vpn 91 > ledbat 59 > lisp 211 > lisp (2nd session) 97 > manet 45 > marf 25 > martini 39 > martini (2nd session) 27 > mboned 34 > mediactrl 28 > mext 64 > mif 83 > mip4 11 > mmusic 64 > morg 16 > mpls 157 > mpls (2nd session) 154 > mptcp 97 > mptcp (2nd session) 41 > multimob 37 > nea 28 > netconf 38 > netext 42 > netmod 21 > newprep-BOF 50 > nfsv4 27 > oauth 79 > opsarea (AG) 55 > opsawg 57 > opsec 43 > ospf 23 > p2prg 60 > p2psip 69 > pce 35 > pcn 21 > pim 38 > pkix 53 > ppsp NO SHEETS > pwe3 88 > pwe3 (2nd session) 77 > radext 33 > rmt 20 > roll 103 > rrg (RG) 65 > rtgarea (AG) 101 > rtgwg 53 > saag (AG) 118 > samrg (RG) 18 > savi 40 > sidr 111 > sieve 11 > sipclf 39 > sipcore 73 > sipcore (2nd session) 42 > siprec 64 > softwire 93 > speermint 43 > storm 16 > tcpm 36 > tictoc 46 > tls 36 > trill 57 > tsvarea (AG) 77 > tsvwg 106 > v6ops 177 > v6ops (2nd session) 116 > vcarddav 19 > vnrg (RG) 81 > vwrap 27 > wgdtspec-BOF 19 > xmpp 57 > yam 25 > From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Mon Jun 14 11:52:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200BD3A68BE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96SzhXW5R2cw for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8D13A6814 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LFwbU2X6zVxbQfqma590OIztQ5xJzAIuOl0oUOsVz+Fsg0+Dzzy1i2Ol5WXIMZnC; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.33.95.141] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OOEmK-0000IP-1i for ltru@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:53:00 -0400 Message-ID: <007501cb0bf2$ff1a5ca0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "LTRU Working Group" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:54:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888a91fc720532780353c2ae194e0fcb4da33f1c9fafb731415350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.33.95.141 Subject: [Ltru] Fw: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:52:57 -0000 Hi - Forwarded for your information... Randy > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:45 AM > Subject: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : Deprecating Language Tag Characters: RFC 2482 is Historic > Author(s) : K. Whistler, et al. > Filename : draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2010-06-14 > > RFC 2482, Language Tagging in Unicode Plain Text, described a > mechanism for using special Unicode language tag characters to > identify languages when needed without more general markup such as > that provided by XML. The Unicode Consortium has deprecated that > facility and strongly recommends against its use. RFC 2482 should be > moved to Historic to reduce the possibility that Internet > implementers would consider that system an appropriate mechanism for > identifying languages. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt ... From sm@resistor.net Mon Jun 14 12:26:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8103A68CC for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.917 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.682, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dyi3kOzBXAV7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.qubic.net (ns1.qubic.net [208.69.177.116]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274B33A6948 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net ([10.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.qubic.net (8.14.5.Alpha0/8.14.5.Alpha0) with ESMTP id o5EJQSdi016881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1276543603; x=1276630003; bh=BsjTBpZNthYyllI6jBQIBm21pdV6HPjDZVl8xA2flxw=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Cc; b=LsiQqeT/P+8cydhAld08StvK0+c9JuQ57gq6WOtIcpH9USmNhXFJ4mmqKT7fh6Wp6 EWaGzH4IJyoxYN//m6kpKmUyM/rYIaDx9vAIO9/DjDImw74qSwwQ06yYWYjIH81XVZ jEihN3RNCcC7ZW4SX/XkEHBsRUnKIyFItF/q+2yA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1276543603; x=1276630003; bh=BsjTBpZNthYyllI6jBQIBm21pdV6HPjDZVl8xA2flxw=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Cc; b=pGPsBA5kJA9B17Sy5F3m17urF3smm96A/Ce/2UX3T9eW62V2287yirKVUzhA/RZiu QINezTm370m/bzJ2t9mSWMus/zG0caFyuFRQx+6Y4zZ2PJRAYuLFUss6FleVOp/3uP FDOZcSrqckUJ/Q1/ZprObyr3ISNy8BSQnfRjwsww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=resistor.net; c=simple; q=dns; b=j0Qukpt/mkGoQVlPtpSpXA5Mo2zhW4U636PX/S/yRMO0Xz5XtZE8tfsoe27IefuVc Kz29+g4RokQV+sBlWvCmquvQnwUqdkdtSKdND8t6mbQeN9a73PecDH+5RFxVCG6KB4V WXUG5tVeiQ3gR7kNDlLr3VPUfVoR69wy/g1Sepk= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100614121536.0a68ec90@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:25:49 -0700 To: Randy Presuhn From: SM In-Reply-To: <008501cb0bf3$47072480$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> References: <008501cb0bf3$47072480$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:33:27 -0700 Cc: ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] [apps-discuss] Fw: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:26:44 -0000 Hi Randy, At 11:56 14-06-10, Randy Presuhn wrote: >Please let me know if you have any comments on this I-D. >I suggest the ltru@ietf.org mailing list would be a suitable >venue for discussion. This I-D reclassifies RFC 2482 as Historic. The Intended Status should be informational. The RFC 2119 paragraph in Section 1 is not needed. The "SHOULD NOT" in Section 2 can be lowercase. If a RFC is Historic, it should not be referenced by newer RFCs as that status does not apply to Standards Track documents only as mentioned in Section 2. Regards, -sm From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Mon Jun 14 12:50:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C123A6903 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.115, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Az5oOAYlsX43 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26AF3A68A3 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=p9YwZg6wGYZ3K4fAfb/BX0SHCNe/i+ljUGJZSaPm1SpJuFZweqd0o6OdfNgJHi7S; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.33.95.141] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OOFgH-00069M-9b; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00a401cb0bfb$141e0680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "SM" References: <008501cb0bf3$47072480$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <6.2.5.6.2.20100614121536.0a68ec90@resistor.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:52:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888a91fc7205327803561911ed24deb39b74bfad1e34b963b2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.33.95.141 Cc: ltru@ietf.org, Kenneth Whistler , glenn@xfsi.com Subject: Re: [Ltru] [apps-discuss] Fw: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:50:50 -0000 Hi - Unless my co-authors object, I'll change the intended status to "informational" and remove the 2119 material as suggested. Randy > From: "SM" > To: "Randy Presuhn" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Fw: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt > > Hi Randy, > At 11:56 14-06-10, Randy Presuhn wrote: > >Please let me know if you have any comments on this I-D. > >I suggest the ltru@ietf.org mailing list would be a suitable > >venue for discussion. > > This I-D reclassifies RFC 2482 as Historic. The Intended Status > should be informational. The RFC 2119 paragraph in Section 1 is not > needed. The "SHOULD NOT" in Section 2 can be lowercase. > > If a RFC is Historic, it should not be referenced by newer RFCs as > that status does not apply to Standards Track documents only as > mentioned in Section 2. > > Regards, > -sm > From john-ietf@jck.com Mon Jun 14 13:48:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0C73A698A for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.136 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.137, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8e1lIm+PYbhR for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EFB3A6984 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=localhost) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1OOGZv-0002BE-MN; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:48:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:48:18 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Randy Presuhn , SM , Peter Koch Message-ID: <7FDF6587A865B8C21EA91414@PST.JCK.COM> In-Reply-To: <00a401cb0bfb$141e0680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> References: <008501cb0bf3$47072480$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <6.2.5.6.2.20100614121536.0a68ec90@resistor.net> <00a401cb0bfb$141e0680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:51:22 -0700 Cc: ltru@ietf.org, Kenneth Whistler , glenn@xfsi.com Subject: Re: [Ltru] [apps-discuss] Fw: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-00.txt X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:48:26 -0000 --On Monday, June 14, 2010 12:52 -0700 Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > Unless my co-authors object, I'll change the intended status > to "informational" and remove the 2119 material as suggested. Sigh. Whatever makes the IESG happy is fine with me. If I remember the ritual dance, the document explains why the earlier one was moved to Historic, the actual move is, in theory, a separate IESG "Protocol Action". So Peter and SM are correct. FWIW, the justification for identifying it as Standards Track was that things can become Historic for all sorts of Informational-type reasons. IMO, if we want to say not only "that document is Historic" but "Do NOT Use This", the latter requires a standards-track document and 2119 language. But, again, I prefer whatever makes the IESG happy and lets this be processed with minimal waste of everyone's time. Use of the LTRU list is ok with me -- the substantive expertise is probably there-- but remember that this issue arose in conjunction with an inquiry from the Apps ADs about a "nits" file and our noticing that Unicode had deprecated the mechanism. The note went to "apps-discuss"; I don't know what fraction of the participants in the former LTRU WG follow that list. Neither the original posting nor the Unicode deprecation action have much to do with the specifics of LTRU unless someone in that WG would propose that the IETF retain this mechanism in spite of Unicode's having deprecated it and strongly discouraged its use. best, john From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Mon Jun 14 20:15:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFEE3A67F3; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:15:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.856 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.856 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.743, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlswRLzR1aF4; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A3B3A679C; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=pfLkj3W6mrK5hMeA9Lk8xnsPiSdwHy+DdShWA82qc4yG5rzNpg3p2k2gK3CJD/II; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.33.92.23] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OOMd3-0000rq-QI; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:15:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002501cb0c39$4084b820$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "LTRU Working Group" , Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888a91fc72053278035253385b4d71bbc94937fea419bade722350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.33.92.23 Subject: [Ltru] Fw: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-01.txt X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:15:55 -0000 Hi - I've submitted a draft incorporating all the feedback received. If there is no additional feedback in the next couple of days, I'll assume it's ready show to the IESG. Randy > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:00 PM > Subject: I-D Action:draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-01.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : Deprecating Language Tag Characters: RFC 2482 is Historic > Author(s) : K. Whistler, et al. > Filename : draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-01.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2010-06-14 > > RFC 2482, Language Tagging in Unicode Plain Text, described a > mechanism for using special Unicode language tag characters to > identify languages when needed without more general markup such as > that provided by XML. The Unicode Consortium has deprecated that > facility and strongly recommends against its use. RFC 2482 should be > moved to Historic to reduce the possibility that Internet > implementers would consider that system an appropriate mechanism for > identifying languages. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-presuhn-rfc2482-historic-01.txt ... 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