From nobody Tue Feb 17 13:46:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83741A8A6B for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:45:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.631 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MISSING_MID=0.497] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V8I9q5ek8coX for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from host.presenceweb.org (host.presenceweb.org [67.222.106.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F4411A0113 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 14.218.130.77.rev.sfr.net ([77.130.218.14]:62280 helo=GHM-SAM.dot.dj) by host.presenceweb.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YNpxq-0002uH-EI; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:45:54 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:45:58 +0100 To: Marc Blanchet ,lucid@ietf.org From: JFC Morfin In-Reply-To: <5C4571A3-9846-482B-A787-7424E4205D4A@viagenie.ca> References: <5C4571A3-9846-482B-A787-7424E4205D4A@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.presenceweb.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.presenceweb.org: authenticated_id: intl+dot.dj/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lucid] lucid mailing list up X-BeenThere: lucid@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Locale-free UniCode Identifiers \(LUCID\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:45:59 -0000 At 16:19 16/02/2015, Marc Blanchet wrote: >the lucid mailing list is up. Here is the description: >The IAB has published a statement about issues with the use of >certain types of Unicode code points in the IDNA protocol. The IAB >expects the IETF to investigate ways to address this problem. This >mailing list is the place to discuss this issue. > >The intent is also to prepare the BOF scheduled for IETF Dallas. Dear Marc, I have announced a CLASS "FL" (Free/Libre) effort to explore, develop and experiment a Unicode compatible, non-Unicode based general "machine/man" WHISIWIM (what I see is what it memorizes) sollution. The questions I have therefore, to know if this list can benefit or not of my contribution, are: - to know if this mailing list and the targeted BOF will want to discuss this kind of community effort or not? - is there an authoritative Unicode document which explicitly documents the entirety of the lucid issue, i.e. an exhaustive table of --- all the Unicode known characters descriptions (in English, French and other languages), --- their code point, --- if they are included in ISO 10646. The response to these two questions should avoid further misunderstandings. Thank you. jfc . From nobody Wed Feb 18 11:07:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9161A909E; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:08:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6NR4jTmcioW; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA251A8AB4; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:08:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.11.0.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150217210845.9908.68214.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:08:45 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:07:16 -0800 Cc: marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, lucid@ietf.org Subject: [Lucid] New Non-WG Mailing List: Lucid -- Locale-free UniCode Identifiers (LUCID) X-BeenThere: lucid@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "Locale-free UniCode Identifiers \(LUCID\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:08:49 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: lucid@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lucid/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lucid Purpose: The IAB has published a statement about issues with the use of certain types of Unicode code points in the IDNA protocol. The IAB expects the IETF to investigate ways to address this problem. This mailing list is the place to discuss this issue. https://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2015-2/iab-statement-on-identifiers-and-unicode-7-0-0/ For additional information, please contact the list administrators. From nobody Wed Feb 25 06:43:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8A31A1F70 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:43:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FK2VsULG4XCw for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361B51A1AA6 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from kuwa.viagenie.ca (kuwa.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.98]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF4D64044B for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:43:48 -0500 To: lucid@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Subject: [Lucid] lucid agenda X-BeenThere: lucid@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Locale-free UniCode Identifiers \(LUCID\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:43:50 -0000 Hello, The preliminary agenda of IETF Dallas has been posted. The lucid bof is = currently scheduled wed March 25th 13h00, Dallas local time. However, = please note that the agenda is _not_ final and may well change. The = final agenda is due friday March 27th.=20 Please note that Dave Thaler has agreed to be co-chair of the BOF The agenda of the LUCID bof is currently planned as follows: 1) problem statement and scope 2) possible ways to address the problem 3) next steps for IETF This is a call for agenda changes and speaking proposals.=20 We will start another email thread on this mailing list for the first = topic. Marc&Dave, lucid bof co-chairs From nobody Wed Feb 25 07:13:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lucid@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F941A8729 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5d4IJrrEuyjk for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8FF1A86F1 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from kuwa.viagenie.ca (kuwa.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.98]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA5834044F for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:13:33 -0500 To: lucid@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Subject: [Lucid] Problem statement and scope X-BeenThere: lucid@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Locale-free UniCode Identifiers \(LUCID\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:13:35 -0000 Hello, First item to agree is the problem statement and scope. Do we have a = concensus on this? Let me start some (on purpose wide) questions: - is the problem only limited to a few codepoints where the pre-composed = and composed forms are not normalized appropriately? - are we tackling homoglyphs? - else? Marc.=