From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 1 06:07:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA06264 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4dt3-0005ke-D8 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:07:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h91A7DTQ022102 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:07:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4dt2-0005kP-Qh for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:07:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA06219 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4dsy-00056G-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:07:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4dsy-00056D-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:07:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4dss-0005i6-FA; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:07:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4ds3-0005bY-AQ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:06:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA06167 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4drz-00054p-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:06:07 -0400 Received: from smtp1.voila.fr ([193.252.22.174] helo=mwinf4002.voila.fr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4drz-00054X-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:06:07 -0400 Received: from wwinf4006 (wwinf4006 [172.22.157.33]) by mwinf4002.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3E58818002BD for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:05:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <14787100.1065002738244.JavaMail.www@wwinf4006> From: "samir.chihi" Reply-To: samir.chihi@voila.fr To: manet@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:05:38 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] MAC 802.11 : Beacon frame Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I work on ad hoc network management. I want to to extract more informations from beacon frame and use this information in management. For this purpose i want to know if i can use the field frame body of thebeacon frame to carry auther management informations. best Regards Samir chihi master student ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 1 22:36:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15384 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4tKJ-0004bB-DF for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:36:23 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h922aN1l017671 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:36:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4tKJ-0004aw-6W for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:36:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15368 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4tKF-000117-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:36:19 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4tKF-000114-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:36:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4tJy-0004Zh-Iu; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:36:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4tJJ-0004ZK-Ry for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:35:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15327 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4tJG-000107-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:35:18 -0400 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4tJF-000104-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:35:18 -0400 Received: from nppham [130.220.36.141] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:05:21 +0950 From: "Peter Pham" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:05:21 +0950 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: nppham MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1065062121.ef237380nppham@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Question Regarding Power Consumption Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I have a question regarding the power consumption model (energy model) for = ad hoc network. Does the mobile node takes a fixed amount of energy to transmit a packet ? = or different amount for different packet ? (RTS, CTS, DATA).. The same question is applied for receiving the different packet ?. Same enery consumption is applied ? How about in real life ? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Peter Pham Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 1 23:11:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16365 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4ts6-0006pm-0v for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:11:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h923BHrN025919 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:11:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4ts3-0006jy-3w for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:11:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16345 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4trz-0001Ph-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:11:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4try-0001Pe-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:11:10 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4trr-0006ip-Ee; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:11:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4tr6-0006iL-7y for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:10:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16328 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4tr2-0001PM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:10:12 -0400 Received: from evaki.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.68.32]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4tr1-0001P8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:10:11 -0400 Received: from evaki (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by evaki.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h923A5RB017079; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:10:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by evaki.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:10:04 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h923A4ru018052; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:10:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (hades.snrc.uow.edu.au[130.130.10.100]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.5.0) with ESMTP id 8099594.18032; Thursday, 02 October 2003 13:10:02 +1000 Received: from hades (IDENT:0@hades.snrc.uow.edu.au [130.130.10.100]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h923A05S023676; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:10:01 +1000 Received: from neo.snrc.uow.edu.au ([130.130.10.106]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:10:00 +1000 (EST) From: Justin Lipman Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: TITR To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Question Regarding Power Consumption Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:09:57 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1065062121.ef237380nppham@myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <1065062121.ef237380nppham@myrealbox.com> Cc: "Peter Pham" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310021309.57577.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> X-MessageID: 8099594.18032 X-EnvelopeFrom: 8099594.18032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, In my papers I always use a simple first order radio model: E_tx (k,d) = E_elec * k + E_amp * k * d^2 E_rx (k) = E_elec * k where E_elec = 50 nJ/bit E_amp = 100 pJ/(bit*m^2) as described in: Wendi Rabiner Heinzelman and Anantha Chandrakasan and Hari Balakrishnan, "Energy-Efficient Communication Protocol for Wireless Microsensor Networks", Proceedings of the Hawaii International Conference on System Sciences, 2000. The amount of energy consumed for transmission and reception of frames is therefore different depending on frame size in bits (k) and the distance (d). It should be noted that its not necessarily "d^2" as this should be d^L where L may be greater than or equal to 2 depending on propagation environment. Im not quite sure how the various simulators calculate energy consumption. Also, not too sure how realistic this is. Perhaps someone in the list can provide some additional insight or references to other models that may be more useful/accurate. Hope this helps, Justin -- PhD Candidate Telecommunications & Information Technology Research Institute School of Computer, Electrical & Telecommunications Engineering University of Wollongong, Australia http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:15 pm, Peter Pham wrote: > Hi all > > I have a question regarding the power consumption model (energy model) for > ad hoc network. Does the mobile node takes a fixed amount of energy to > transmit a packet ? or different amount for different packet ? (RTS, CTS, > DATA).. > > The same question is applied for receiving the different packet ?. > Same enery consumption is applied ? > > How about in real life ? > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated. > > Peter Pham > Peter Phuc Pham > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 2 06:38:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11311 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A50qc-00067F-DH for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:38:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h92AcElj023503 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:38:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A50qc-000670-6M for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:38:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11262 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A50qX-0005w8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:38:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A50qX-0005w5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:38:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A50qS-000620-10; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:38:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A50ps-0005ru-73 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:37:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11202 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A50pn-0005vL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:37:24 -0400 Received: from marfik.cc.upv.es ([158.42.2.61] helo=marfik.upv.es) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A50pn-0005vI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:37:23 -0400 Received: from pop.upv.es (maia.cc.upv.es [158.42.4.11]) by marfik.upv.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h92AbN020922 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:37:23 +0200 Received: from mx2.upv.es (mx2.cc.upv.es [158.42.249.55]) by pop.upv.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h92AbNu13528 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:37:23 +0200 (METDST) Received: from nao.disca.upv.es (nao.disca.upv.es [158.42.53.70]) by mx2.upv.es (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h92AbMTa019878 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:37:22 +0200 Received: from disca.upv.es (tux.grc.upv.es [158.42.61.34]) by nao.disca.upv.es (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with ESMTP id 3BF821FE8B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:36:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F7BFFE6.6050601@disca.upv.es> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:37:26 +0200 From: Carlos Miguel Calafate User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by marfik.upv.es id h92AbN020922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] EDCF in MANETs Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all, I'm not able to find any paper where EDCF is evaluated in a MANET=20 scenario with multiple hops. Can anyone point me to papers addressing=20 this subject? Best regards, --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Carlos Miguel Tavares Calafate Universidad Polit=E9cnica de Valencia (Spain) e-mail: calafate@disca.upv.es web: http://www.grc.upv.es/~calafate/ ______________________________________________________________ - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 2 07:29:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12701 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51dv-00008b-Rm for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h92BTBGR000523 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:29:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51du-0008VI-Dy for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12671 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51dt-0006UJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51dt-0006UG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51dl-0008TO-PD; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51cy-0008Q2-PL for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:28:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12663 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51cy-0006Ty-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:28:12 -0400 Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org ([192.80.55.70]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51cx-0006Tv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:28:11 -0400 Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h92BSBe3026196; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv2.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h92BSAf0029527; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmodempoo1-37.mitre.org (128.29.251.37) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 4089770; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3F7C0BC3.268DDE52@mitre.org> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:28:03 -0400 From: John Stine Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-20020130M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Pham CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Question Regarding Power Consumption References: <1065062121.ef237380nppham@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, Energy consumption is hardware dependent and so specific values will depend on what wireless modem you use. Since most people use 802.11 modems and I assume the same for you since you mention the control packets of the 802.11 MAC, here are some interesting points that you should consider. 1. Transmitted power is regulated by a local spectrum management administration. Since most modems are used to communicate to access points, where there is not as great a concern for spatial reuse, they tend to operate at there regulated maximum for all transmissions. I am unaware of any protocol implemented within these devices that adaptively adjusts power to optimize network performance. Some devices have the ability to adjust power but the transition times involved if implemented as an external protocol would probably make this impractical for a packet wise adjustment. Also, only a small portion of the total energy consumed in this state can be saved by adjusting the transmit power since most energy is consumed in powering the modem rather than driving the transmitter. So, energy consumption for transmitting a packet will depend almost exclusively on how long (in time) the transmission is. 2. Energy consumption is based on the state of the receiver. When not transmitting, the receiver is in a receive state and the rate of energy consumption is the same whether it is receiving a packet or not. Paradoxically, it has been observed that the modem may consume less energy when receiving a packet. This occurs when a packet not intended for the destination can be dropped. This observation was made in Investigating the energy consumption of a wireless network interface in an ad hoc networking environment Feeney, L.M.; Nilsson, M.; INFOCOM 2001. Twentieth Annual Joint Conference of the IEEE Computer and Communications Societies. Proceedings. IEEE , Volume: 3 , 22-26 April 2001 Page(s): 1548 -1557 vol.3 3. These modems have a low energy doze state. Entering that state means physically disconnecting the node from the network since the node will not receive any transmissions. Transition times out of these states can be relatively long and will drive how this capability is exploited. By the way, the 802.11 MAC has two energy conservation protocols, one for the DCF and one for the PCF. I am unaware of any cases where they are actually used. The DCF energy conservation protocol would certainly have a negative impact on the performance of an ad hoc network. 4. In my own review of specifications of various 802.11 modems a couple of years ago, I found that the relative power of the three states, transmitting, receiving, and dozing, are in the ranges 1/0.5-0.7/0.04-0.1 with the power in the transmit state ranging from 1.7 to ~2.5 Watts. With this said, I will restate my first point. Energy consumption is hardware dependent and so any and all of this information can be wrong for the modems you use. John Peter Pham wrote: > Hi all > > I have a question regarding the power consumption model (energy model) for ad hoc network. > Does the mobile node takes a fixed amount of energy to transmit a packet ? or different amount for different packet ? (RTS, CTS, DATA).. > > The same question is applied for receiving the different packet ?. > Same enery consumption is applied ? > > How about in real life ? > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated. > > Peter Pham > Peter Phuc Pham > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 2 07:48:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA13357 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51wQ-00013s-Mj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:48:18 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h92BmIGS004074 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:48:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51wQ-00013d-IE for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:48:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA13333 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51wP-0006fU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:48:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51wP-0006fR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:48:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51wA-0000yc-3u; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:48:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A51vx-0000sg-F1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:47:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA13310 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51vw-0006f4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:47:48 -0400 Received: from xenia.media.mit.edu ([18.85.3.135]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A51vw-0006f0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:47:48 -0400 Received: from Neon (hotwire-21-86-ind.hotwireindia.com [210.7.86.21] (may be forged)) by xenia.media.mit.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/XENIA) with ESMTP id h92BldnA271104 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ankur Jain" To: Subject: RE: [manet] EDCF in MANETs Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:16:09 +0700 Message-ID: <000001c388ce$36c5f790$155607d2@Neon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F7BFFE6.6050601@disca.upv.es> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Carlos, Could you please elaborate what is EDCF? - Ankur | -----Original Message----- | From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of | Carlos Miguel Calafate | Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:37 PM | To: manet@ietf.org | Subject: [manet] EDCF in MANETs |=20 | Hi to all, |=20 | I'm not able to find any paper where EDCF is evaluated in a MANET | scenario with multiple hops. Can anyone point me to papers addressing | this subject? |=20 | Best regards, |=20 | -- | ______________________________________________________________ | Carlos Miguel Tavares Calafate | Universidad Polit=E9cnica de Valencia (Spain) | e-mail: calafate@disca.upv.es | web: http://www.grc.upv.es/~calafate/ | ______________________________________________________________ | - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - | -------------------------------------------------------------- |=20 |=20 |=20 | _______________________________________________ | manet mailing list | manet@ietf.org | https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 2 08:09:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15236 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52Gf-0002X2-2R for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:09:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h92C9Ciw009726 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:09:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52Ge-0002Wn-Tg for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:09:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15207 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52Gd-0007Jr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:09:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52Gd-0007Jo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:09:11 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52GT-0002Si-ME; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:09:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52GC-0002SD-U9 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:08:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15163 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52GB-0007J4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:08:43 -0400 Received: from lisa.sm.luth.se ([130.240.3.1] helo=sm.luth.se) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52GB-0007J1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:08:43 -0400 Received: from delta1.sm.luth.se (delta1.sm.luth.se [130.240.3.7]) by sm.luth.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h92C8fsO015868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:08:41 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:08:41 +0200 (MEST) From: Anders Lindgren To: Ankur Jain cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] EDCF in MANETs In-Reply-To: <000001c388ce$36c5f790$155607d2@Neon> Message-ID: References: <000001c388ce$36c5f790$155607d2@Neon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by sm.luth.se id h92C8fsO015868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ankur, EDCF =3D Enhanced DCF =3D Enhanced Distributed Coordinator Function EDCF is the medium access mechanism of IEEE 802.11e, that can be used to enable service differentiation (QoS). /Anders On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Ankur Jain wrote: > Hello Carlos, > > Could you please elaborate what is EDCF? > > - Ankur > > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > | Carlos Miguel Calafate > | Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:37 PM > | To: manet@ietf.org > | Subject: [manet] EDCF in MANETs > | > | Hi to all, > | > | I'm not able to find any paper where EDCF is evaluated in a MANET > | scenario with multiple hops. Can anyone point me to papers addressing > | this subject? > | > | Best regards, > | > | -- > | ______________________________________________________________ > | Carlos Miguel Tavares Calafate > | Universidad Polit=E9cnica de Valencia (Spain) > | e-mail: calafate@disca.upv.es > | web: http://www.grc.upv.es/~calafate/ > | ______________________________________________________________ > | - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - > | -------------------------------------------------------------- > | > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | manet mailing list > | manet@ietf.org > | https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 2 08:41:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16273 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52lo-0004OJ-2w for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:41:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h92CfOAh016873 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:41:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52ln-0004O4-V3 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:41:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16224 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52lm-0007gH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:41:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52lm-0007gE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:41:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52lR-0004Hy-SA; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:41:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52kj-0004HR-7C for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:40:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16175 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52ki-0007em-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:40:16 -0400 Received: from smtp1.voila.fr ([193.252.22.174] helo=mwinf4003.voila.fr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52kh-0007eX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:40:15 -0400 Received: from wwinf4003 (wwinf4003 [172.22.157.30]) by mwinf4003.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6C051800158 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <15260109.1065098384804.JavaMail.www@wwinf4003> From: "samir.chihi" Reply-To: samir.chihi@voila.fr To: manet@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Beacon frame Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I want to know if an application Can insert informations in the beacon frame body. 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Samir ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 2 08:55:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16860 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52z9-000596-Ky for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:55:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h92CtBGY019778 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:55:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52z9-00058v-Gr for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:55:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16829 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52z8-00004i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:55:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52z7-00004f-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:55:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52z0-00054y-VO; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:55:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A52yk-00054R-8b for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:54:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16822 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52yi-00004a-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:54:44 -0400 Received: from louie.udel.edu ([128.4.40.12] helo=mail.eecis.udel.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A52yi-00004L-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:54:44 -0400 Received: by mail.eecis.udel.edu (Postfix, from userid 62) id E580D328C4; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheatgrass.cis.udel.edu (wheatgrass.cis.udel.edu [128.4.131.63]) by mail.eecis.udel.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D9D328B0; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chien-Chung Shen X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] Need input for choosing a simulation package In-Reply-To: <200309301728.h8UHS139011486@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=6.0 tests=DEPT_RCVD,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: UDEL-ECECIS: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 MIME-Version: 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 jayanthi@egr.msu.edu wrote: > Hello, > > I am currently looking into simulating directional antenna ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QualNet provides very good physical layer models of directional antenna. To learn QualNet, please visit www.cis.udel.edu/~degas/QUALNET... We also have the following papers on directional antenna which used QualNet to conduct simulation study. Chaiporn Jaikaeo and Chien-Chung Shen. Multicast Communication in Ad hoc Networks with Directional Antennas. In Proceedings of 12th International Conference on Computer Communications and Networks (ICCCN), Dallas, Texas, October 20--22 2003. Zhuochuan Huang, Chien-Chung Shen, Chavalit Srisathapornphat, and Chaiporn Jaikaeo. Topology Control for Ad hoc Networks with Directional Antennas. In Proceedings of 11th International Conference on Computer Communications and Networks (ICCCN), Miami, Florida, October 14--16 2002. Chavalit Srisathapornphat and Chien-Chung Shen. Energy Consumption Behavior and Performance of Directional Virtual Carrier Sensing Schemes. In Proceedings of IEEE Wireless Communications and Networking Conference (WCNC), New Orleans, Louisiana, March 16--20 2003. Zhuochuan Huang and Chien-Chung Shen. A Comparison Study of Omnidirectional and Directional MAC Protocols for Ad Hoc Networks. In Proceedings of IEEE Globecom 2002, Taipei, Taiwan, Nov. 17-21 2002. Zhuochuan Huang, Chien-Chung Shen, Chavalit Srisathapornphat, and Chaiporn Jaikaeo. A Busy-tone Based Directional MAC Protocol for Ad Hoc Networks. In Proceedings of IEEE MILCOM, Anaheim, California, October 7-10 2002. Chien-Chung > for MANETs. From the academic literature, I get the > impression that Qualnet/Glomosim, OPNET and sometimes > NS-2 have been used by various groups for simulating > routing protocols using directional communication. > > I would very much appreciate any advice/comments/opinion > on which simulation package might be the best for my > purpose. > > Thanks, > Jayanthi Rao _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 3 14:30:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19497 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5UhB-0003yq-9L for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:30:31 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h93IUToY015294 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5UhB-0003yb-4F for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:30:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19459 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5Uh8-0004Z2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:30:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5Uh8-0004Yz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:30:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5Ugm-0003uK-0H; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:30:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5Ugh-0003tf-5o for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:29:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19417 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5Uge-0004Yb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:29:56 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.utsa.edu ([129.115.29.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5Uge-0004Xo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:29:56 -0400 Received: from krishna (neverland.cs.utsa.edu [129.115.30.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.utsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786DD3C3C1 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004501c389dc$3f6a3000$2100a8c0@krishna> From: "Rajendra V Boppana" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:29:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] 802.11 PCF mode Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, I am looking for a simulator that simulates 802.11 PCF and DCF. If anyone has a stand alone simulator or code that can be added to ns2 or glomosim, I would like to get a copy of the same. Thanks for any suggestions and pointers. Raj Boppana _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 3 17:06:08 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA29134 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5X7T-0004dR-94 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:05:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h93L5lfQ017811 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:05:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5X7T-0004dC-5h for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:05:47 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA29111 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5X6l-0004S3-3R; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:05:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A5X5o-0004RF-On for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:04:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA29051 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5X5m-00072r-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:04:02 -0400 Received: from [202.54.124.178] (helo=rediffmail.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5X5l-00072W-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:04:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 28180 invoked by uid 510); 3 Oct 2003 18:10:29 -0000 Date: 3 Oct 2003 18:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20031003181029.28179.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (203.197.138.167) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 03 oct 2003 18:10:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "arun kumar optical" Reply-To: "arun kumar optical" To: manet@ietf.org Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_1065204629---0-202.54.124.178-28175" Subject: [manet] (no subject) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multipart mime message --Next_1065204629---0-202.54.124.178-28175 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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A patch that can be applied to ns-2.1b8 can be downloaded from http://www.sm.luth.se/~dugdale/index/software.shtml /Anders On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Rajendra V Boppana wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am looking for a simulator that simulates 802.11 PCF and DCF. If anyone > has a stand alone simulator or code that can be added to ns2 or glomosim, I > would like to get a copy of the same. > Thanks for any suggestions and pointers. > > Raj Boppana > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Oct 5 08:05:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13842 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A67dc-0007PK-Go for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:05:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h95C5OVJ028470 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:05:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A67dc-0007P7-Av for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:05:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13834 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A67db-0001O3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:05:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A67db-0001Nz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:05:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A67dH-0007O2-3u; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:05:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A67cS-0007NO-BD for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:04:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13800 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A67cR-0001NN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:04:11 -0400 Received: from web21502.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.13]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A67cQ-0001NK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20031005120410.68775.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.188.81.70] by web21502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:04:10 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 05:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ayman Helweh To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] ad hoc QoS/Security simulation code ? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hello, I am surveying current approaches towards improving security and improving quality of service in mobile ad hoc networks. I will choose some of the solutions for a performance study, so if anyone knows of available simulation code (preferably NS-2) of security and/or QoS MANET solutions, I will greatly appreciate it. Regards, Ayman Helweh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Oct 5 19:22:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29086 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6ICf-0001aL-OB for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:22:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h95NMHgM006087 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:22:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6ICf-0001a6-ID for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:22:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29079 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6ICd-00068i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:22:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6ICd-00068f-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:22:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6ICQ-0001WT-9D; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:22:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6IBf-0001V7-Cd for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:21:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29064 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:07 -0400 (EDT) From: jzeeff@internet2.edu Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6IBd-00068E-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:21:13 -0400 Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([207.75.164.22]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6IBd-00068B-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:21:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F67B573; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id C16AF7B566; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 68.42.66.70 ( [68.42.66.70]) as user jzeeff@localhost by mail.internet2.edu with HTTP; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1065396072.3f80a7689aeb8@mail.internet2.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:12 -0400 To: Ayman Helweh Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] ad hoc QoS/Security simulation code ? References: <20031005120410.68775.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031005120410.68775.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 68.42.66.70 X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit IMO, DSR has somewhat greater potential for QOS and security in that a sender can specify the path. Quoting Ayman Helweh : > > Hello, > > I am surveying current approaches towards improving > security and improving quality of service in mobile ad > hoc networks. I will choose some of the solutions for > a performance study, so if anyone knows of available > simulation code (preferably NS-2) of security and/or > QoS MANET solutions, I will greatly appreciate it. > > Regards, > Ayman Helweh > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 07:19:15 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA25179 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6TO7-0000Gm-AO for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:18:52 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h96BIpJo001036 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:18:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6TO6-0000Gd-Mv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:18:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA25156 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6TO6-0003jX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:18:50 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6TO5-0003jU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:18:49 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6TML-000099-Ah; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:17:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6TLX-00008d-Fq for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:16:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA25095 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6TLW-0003ht-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:16:10 -0400 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6TLW-0003hq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:16:10 -0400 Received: from nppham [203.219.237.10] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:46:11 +0950 Subject: Re: Re: [manet] Question Regarding Power Consumption From: "Peter Pham" To: lmfeeney@sics.se CC: jstine@mitre.org, manet@ietf.org Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:46:11 +0950 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: nppham MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1065438971.860c6420nppham@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all Thanks for the information.=20 What I believe is that the simulation should closely model the "real" behav= iour of the power consumption of the wireless card. The information on th= e real test-bed may be a very good feedback on the enery consumption mode= l available.=20 There are some important points=20 1) Variable power range seems to be beneficial due to by increasing spatial= reuse not by power consumption=20 2) Sleep mode is quite important since its power consumption is quite minim= al 3) Power consumption in receiving packets is quite significant and constant= regardless of whether the mobile node actually receives the data packet = or not . 4) The real of the number of data bits to be transmitted is important not t= he distance between the source and destination. cheers=20 Peter Pham -----Original Message----- From: Laura Marie Feeney To: John Stine Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:14:52 +0200 Subject: Re: [manet] Question Regarding Power Consumption Hello Peter and John, John Stine wrote: > Peter, >=20 1. Transmitted power is regulated by a local spectrum management=20 administration. Since most modems are used to communicate to access > points, where there is not as great a concern for spatial reuse, they ten= d to operate at there regulated maximum for all transmissions. I > am unaware of any protocol implemented within these devices that adaptive= ly adjusts power to optimize network performance. Some devices > have the ability to adjust power but the transition times involved if imp= lemented as an external protocol would probably make this > impractical for a packet wise adjustment. Also, only a small portion of = the total energy consumed in this state can be saved by adjusting > the transmit power since most energy is consumed in powering the modem ra= ther than driving the transmitter. So, energy consumption for > transmitting a packet will depend almost exclusively on how long (in time= ) the transmission is. See also J.-P. Ebert, B. Burns, and A. Wolisz, "A Trace-based Approach=20 for determining the Energy Consumption of a WLAN Network Interface", In=20 Proc. of European Wireless 2002, pp. 230-236, Florence, Italy, February=20 2002. These measurements show the limited effect transmit power variation has=20 on the overall energy consumpion of some 802.11 cards, though it's not=20 clear to me to what extent this is fundamental and to what extent it's=20 the result of crude implementation in the interface. For WLAN, transmit=20 power adjustment is really for supporting higher access point densities=20 (this is a form of spatial reuse, in a sense), so there's no reason to=20 be clever. Note also that both these measurements and the ones mentioned below=20 reflect characteristics of PC cards, because it's very straightforward=20 to measure them. I'm not sure whether the behavior of highly integrated=20 on-board interfaces would be different, or even how one could measure it=20 directly. (Other people's hardware cheerfully broken in the interests=20 of science... :-) Multiple transmit powers in an ad hoc network is generally a problem for=20 CSMA/CA based protocols like 802.11, of course. However, fine-grain=20 power control loops are widely used in e.g. CDMA systems. >=20 > 2. Energy consumption is based on the state of the receiver. When not t= ransmitting, the receiver is in a receive state and the rate of > energy consumption is the same whether it is receiving a packet or not. = Paradoxically, it has been observed that the modem may consume less > energy when receiving a packet. This occurs when a packet not intended f= or the destination can be dropped. This observation was made in >=20 I would add that this effect decreases as transmit rate increases.=20 Protocols like PAMAS, which explicitly shut off nearby nodes when an=20 ongoing transmission is detected, are really effective only for=20 interfaces with very low data rates (e.g. sensor nets). > Investigating the energy consumption of a wireless network interface in a= n ad hoc networking environment > Feeney, L.M.; Nilsson, M.; > INFOCOM 2001. Twentieth Annual Joint Conference of the = IEEE Computer and Communications > Societies. Proceedings. IEEE , Volume: 3 , 22-26 April = 2001 > Page(s): 1548 -1557 vol.3 >=20 > 3. These modems have a low energy doze state. Entering that state means= physically disconnecting the node from the network since the node > will not receive any transmissions. Transition times out of these states= can be relatively long and will drive how this capability is > exploited. By the way, the 802.11 MAC has two energy conservation protoc= ols, one for the DCF and one for the PCF. I am unaware of any > cases where they are actually used. The DCF energy conservation protocol= would certainly have a negative impact on the performance of an ad > hoc network. I'm not sure how frequently they are used, but the DCF energy=20 conservation protocol for a BSS seems to be implemented in at least a=20 few cards/drivers. Definitely it has impact on performance - you can see=20 that RTT's become highly variable, for example. I don't know of any=20 results that study this effect, though. Arguably, one should just turn=20 off energy conservation if a node is actively sending/receiving traffic=20 and turn it back on once the node has been idle for some interval. There is a DCF energy conservation protocol defined for IBSS as well,=20 but it cannot be applied directly to the case of a multi-hop ad hoc network= . >=20 > 4. In my own review of specifications of various 802.11 modems a couple = of years ago, I found that the relative power of the three states, > transmitting, receiving, and dozing, are in the ranges 1/0.5-0.7/0.04-0.1= with the power in the transmit state ranging from 1.7 to ~2.5 > Watts. >=20 > With this said, I will restate my first point. Energy consumption is har= dware dependent and so any and all of this information can be wrong > for the modems you use. >=20 > John >=20 Best regards, Laura -- Laura Marie Feeney (Miss)=09=09=09Email: lmfeeney@sics.se Visiting Researcher=09=09=09=09Mobile: +46 70 246 56 63 Computer and Network Architecture Laboratory=09Phone: +46 8 633 15 00 Swedish Institute of Computer Science=09=09Fax: +46 8 751 72 30 Box 1262 SE-164 29 KISTA, Sweden Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 11:34:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07838 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6XNU-00032l-Pi for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:34:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h96FYSWU011698 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:04:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6Xq4-0004fl-Tl; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:04:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6Xp9-0004cV-1X for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:03:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08766 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6Xp7-0007eg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:03:01 -0400 Received: from marfik2.cc.upv.es ([158.42.250.61] helo=marfik.upv.es) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6Xp6-0007e9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:03:00 -0400 Received: from pop.upv.es (maia.cc.upv.es [158.42.4.11]) by marfik.upv.es (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h96G2N9M031717 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:02:23 +0200 Received: from mx2.upv.es (mx2.cc.upv.es [158.42.249.55]) by pop.upv.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h96G2Nr12764 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:02:23 +0200 (METDST) Received: from nao.disca.upv.es (nao.disca.upv.es [158.42.53.70]) by mx2.upv.es (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h96G2MTa016373 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:02:23 +0200 Received: from disca.upv.es (tux.grc.upv.es [158.42.61.34]) by nao.disca.upv.es (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with ESMTP id 9EA641FE8B for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F819213.5070801@disca.upv.es> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:02:27 +0200 From: Carlos Miguel Calafate User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org References: <3F7BFFE6.6050601@disca.upv.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by marfik.upv.es id h96G2N9M031717 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] 802.11e in MANETs Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Last week I sent an e-mail to this mailing list asking for papers on=20 802.11e + multi-hop MANET scenarios with no reply. Can anyone tell me if applying EDCF in IBSSs (802.11 ad-hoc mode) is=20 technically viable and, if so, why this subject has not yet been addresse= d? Best regards, --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Carlos Miguel Tavares Calafate Universidad Polit=E9cnica de Valencia (Spain) e-mail: calafate@disca.upv.es web: http://www.grc.upv.es/~calafate/ ______________________________________________________________ - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 12:43:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11160 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6YRz-0007Mp-6R for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:15 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h96GhBMb028313 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:43:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6YRz-0007MZ-2w for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11145 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6YRx-0000gd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6YRw-0000ga-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6YRp-0007IW-CL; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6YR9-0007Hx-EE for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:42:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11119 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6YR7-0000fh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:42:17 -0400 Received: from barrichello.cs.ucr.edu ([138.23.169.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6YR7-0000fE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:42:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE08CAB571C0; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hill.cs.ucr.edu (hill.cs.ucr.edu [138.23.169.9]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A244AB571BF; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hill.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix, from userid 7296) id ACEF1C4EE6C; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hill.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AD7A3A2EB; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" To: Carlos Miguel Calafate Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11e in MANETs In-Reply-To: <3F819213.5070801@disca.upv.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-38.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE,USER_AGENT_PINE autolearn=ham version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Carlos, Please refer "Adaptive EDCF:Enhanced Service Differentiation for IEEE802.11 Wireless Ad-Hoc Networks", by Lamia Romdhani, etc., also there are many other papers about the performance analysis of IEEE802.11e in WLAN. You can find them using google. Zhenqiang (Frank) On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Carlos Miguel Calafate wrote: > Hi, > > Last week I sent an e-mail to this mailing list asking for papers on > 802.11e + multi-hop MANET scenarios with no reply. > > Can anyone tell me if applying EDCF in IBSSs (802.11 ad-hoc mode) is > technically viable and, if so, why this subject has not yet been addressed? > > Best regards, > -- **************************************** Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye Ph.D Student Department of Electrical Engineering University of California, Riverside Phone: (909)-787-2434 email: zye@cs.ucr.edu **************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 19:30:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27905 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6eo3-0006jJ-FS for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:30:23 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h96NUNZE025863 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:30:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6eo3-0006j4-6U for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:30:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27882 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6eo1-0005f0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:30:21 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6eo1-0005ex-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:30:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6enj-0006fV-8V; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:30:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6enM-0006es-9l for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:29:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27850 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6enK-0005eV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:29:38 -0400 Received: from pedigree.cs.ubc.ca ([142.103.6.50]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6enK-0005eS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:29:38 -0400 Received: from columbia.cs.ubc.ca (columbia.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.7.14]) by pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.12.10/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h96NTb2A003085 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Suprio Ray To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] radio propagation range in Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation range in Glomosim can be varied/changed? Thanks in advance, Suprio --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 20:19:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29269 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6fZG-0000XK-NR for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:19:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h970JAqR002056 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:19:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6fZG-0000X5-IR for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:19:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29246 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6fZE-00066a-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:19:08 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6fZE-00066X-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:19:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6fZ7-0000SC-PG; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:19:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6fYd-0000Qp-K1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:18:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29215 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6fYb-00065f-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:18:29 -0400 Received: from mail.engr.ucsb.edu ([128.111.53.8]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6fYb-00065c-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:18:29 -0400 Received: from eeyore.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.43.61] helo=eeyore) by mail.engr.ucsb.edu with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1A6fTi-0003Zc-Dy; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:13:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rachit Chawla X-X-Sender: chawla@eeyore To: Suprio Ray cc: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in Glomosim Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , hi, There is a utility in radio_range in main directory. If you run that with your config.in file, it will print the calculated the radio range. The radio range can be changed by changing RADIO-TX-POWER in the config file. Thanks, Rachit. On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Suprio Ray wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation range in Glomosim can > be varied/changed? > > Thanks in advance, > Suprio > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachit Chawla MS/PhD, Computer Engineering Electrical & Computer Engineering Department University of California, Santa Barbara ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 21:51:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA01434 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6h0L-0003o0-9H for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:51:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h971pDcC014622 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:51:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6h0L-0003nl-5o for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:51:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA01417 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6h0I-0006s6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:51:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6h0H-0006s3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:51:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6h09-0003mE-KG; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:51:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6gzL-0003ka-Ip for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:50:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA01380 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6gzI-0006r4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:50:08 -0400 Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.68.31]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6gzH-0006r1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:50:07 -0400 Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h971nvtR010447; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:49:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from chac.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.3]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:49:57 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h971nvIC000052; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:49:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (hades.snrc.uow.edu.au[130.130.10.100]) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.5.0) with ESMTP id 138180.36; Tuesday, 07 October 2003 11:49:56 +1000 Received: from neo.snrc.uow.edu.au (neo.snrc.uow.edu.au [130.130.10.106]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h971ns9t025857; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:49:54 +1000 From: Justin Lipman Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: TITR To: Suprio Ray Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in Glomosim Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:59 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: Cc: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310071147.59216.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> X-MessageID: 138180.36 X-EnvelopeFrom: 138180.36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Do you mean on a per packet basis or for the duration of a simulation run? Per packet basis involves some modification to glomosim. For simulation run, you can change RADIO-TX-POWER in "config.in" Alternatively each node's radio can be have its own power setting. Take a look a glomosim/radio/radio*.pc regards, Justin -- PhD Candidate Telecommunications & Information Technology Research Institute School of Computer, Electrical & Telecommunications Engineering University of Wollongong, Australia http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:29 am, Suprio Ray wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation range in Glomosim can > be varied/changed? > > Thanks in advance, > Suprio > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 22:17:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02119 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hPV-00053O-H6 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:17:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h972HDTh019427 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:17:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hPU-00053G-AS for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:17:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02100 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hPR-00077c-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:17:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hPQ-00077Z-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:17:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hPK-0004wS-Ky; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:17:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hOM-0004vl-KH for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:16:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02083 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hOJ-000770-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:15:59 -0400 Received: from pedigree.cs.ubc.ca ([142.103.6.50]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hOI-00076r-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:15:58 -0400 Received: from columbia.cs.ubc.ca (columbia.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.7.14]) by pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.12.10/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h972Fw2A004457; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Suprio Ray To: Justin Lipman , Rachit Chawla cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in Glomosim In-Reply-To: <200310071147.59216.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Message-ID: References: <200310071147.59216.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Thanks Justin and Rachit, Yes I just like it for the duration of the simulation. According to the 802.11 specification the transmission power is 100 mW (max) and transmission range is 300m (outdoor) and 100m (indoor). But in the config.in file of GlomoSim, the default value of RADIO-TX-POWER is 15.0 dBm (equvalent to 32mW). And the radio_range program gives radio range of 376.782m. So, have any of you actually tried with some values that conforms to the correct 802.11 specification? Or is there a way to directly set something like TRANSMISSION-RANGE rather than fiddling with RADIO-TX-POWER? Thanks. -Suprio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Justin Lipman wrote: > Hi, > > Do you mean on a per packet basis or for the duration of a simulation run? > > Per packet basis involves some modification to glomosim. > > For simulation run, you can change RADIO-TX-POWER in "config.in" > > Alternatively each node's radio can be have its own power setting. > Take a look a glomosim/radio/radio*.pc > > regards, > Justin > > -- > PhD Candidate > Telecommunications & Information Technology Research Institute > School of Computer, Electrical & Telecommunications Engineering > University of Wollongong, Australia > http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:29 am, Suprio Ray wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation range in Glomosim can > > be varied/changed? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Suprio > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 22:30:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02412 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hc1-0005ZX-CJ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:30:09 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h972U98c021413 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:30:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hc1-0005ZI-36 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:30:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02389 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hbx-0007F0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:30:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hbx-0007Ex-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:30:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hbu-0005VI-In; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:30:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6hbC-0005Uc-M8 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:29:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02364 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hb9-0007Eo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:29:15 -0400 Received: from nn1.excitenetwork.com ([207.159.120.55] helo=xmxpita.excite.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6hb8-0007EX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:29:14 -0400 Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 487793DDD; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:28:43 -0400 (EDT) To: manet@ietf.org Received: from [158.253.209.102] by xprdmailfe12.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:28:43 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = d2e3c11f0d6fccbbecffcce21f002223 Reply-To: jw2000@excite.com From: "Jack Wang" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jw2000@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031007022843.487793DDD@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] ZRP on GLOMOSIM Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All: Has ZRP(zone routing protocol) been implemented by using GLOMOSIM? Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 6 23:47:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04226 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6iof-00006L-5R for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:47:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h973lHNi000389 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:47:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6ioe-00006C-QB for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:47:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04208 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6ioc-00006H-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:47:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6iob-00006E-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:47:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6ioP-0008TX-Ts; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:47:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6inj-0008Si-K8 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:46:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04174 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: bsmanoj@cs.iitm.ernet.in Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6inh-00005s-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:46:17 -0400 Received: from pri-dns.cs.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.25.89] helo=cello.cs.iitm.ernet.in) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6inf-00005i-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:46:16 -0400 Received: from rts.cs.iitm.ernet.in (rts.cs.iitm.ernet.in [10.6.6.3]) by cello.cs.iitm.ernet.in (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h974JJVB019014; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:49:19 +0530 Received: from hpc.cs.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@hpc.cs.iitm.ernet.in [10.6.6.2]) by rts.cs.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14155; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:25:34 +0530 Received: from localhost (bsmanoj@localhost) by hpc.cs.iitm.ernet.in (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h973hmH10843; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:13:48 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: hpc.cs.iitm.ernet.in: bsmanoj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:13:48 +0530 (IST) To: Suprio Ray cc: Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in Glomosim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi: In older versions of glomosim, the range can be specified in the config.in file in meters or in dBms. The following config.in file entries are used. RADIO-TX-POWER 12 #//dBm POWER-RANGE 250 #//meters Recent versions, (I believe from V 2.0) the range can be specified in dBm (as transmission power) only. Set the value for RADIO-TX-POWER in the config.in file. Hope this helps bsmanoj On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Suprio Ray wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation range in Glomosim can > be varied/changed? > > Thanks in advance, > Suprio > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -bsm.. 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Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:35:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6q7K-0003m2-85; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:35:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6q6S-0003kq-Pn for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:34:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA27370 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6q6S-0004Ff-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:34:08 -0400 Received: from gehenna.ece.cornell.edu ([128.84.95.235]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6q6R-0004Fc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:34:07 -0400 Received: from verdi (verdi.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.210.27]) by gehenna.ece.cornell.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ACB1E8016; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:32:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "haas@ece.cornell.edu" To: Jack Wang Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] ZRP on GLOMOSIM In-Reply-To: <20031007022843.487793DDD@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Jack, You can download the ZRP code in Glomosim from the WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu/wnlprojects.html The code has been written by Kaixin Xu (UCLA/CSD). Zygmunt. ==-=-==-===== ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas Wireless Networks Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu School of Electrical Engineering Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas@ece.cornell.edu U.S.A WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Jack Wang wrote: > > Hi All: > > Has ZRP(zone routing protocol) been implemented by using GLOMOSIM? > > Thanks. > > Jack > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 7 08:01:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28135 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6qVn-0005Dq-1E for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:00:59 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h97C0JTS020068 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:00:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6qVm-0005Db-Rt for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:00:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28074 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6qVl-0004VE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:00:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6qVl-0004VB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:00:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6qVX-00055p-IP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:00:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6qV0-000553-7i for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:59:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA28017 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6qUz-0004UJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:59:29 -0400 Received: from [193.72.156.161] (helo=mercury.telscom.ch) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6qUu-0004To-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:59:24 -0400 Received: from vaiooo (193.72.156.77) by mercury.telscom.ch with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.30.09 AS-2621446) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:56:45 +0200 From: "Marcin Michalak" Organization: Telscom To: manet@ietf.org Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:58:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3F82C687.27062.8E5C70C@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20031007022843.487793DDD@xmxpita.excite.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Reply-To: marcin@telscom.ch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [manet] Multipath for ns-2 or Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, I'm doing research in multipath real-time transmission in ad-hoc networks. I'd like to compare the existing routing algorithms in this area. I found some publications, but would appreciate pointing to any implementations for the simulators. Regards, Marcin ---------------------------------------------------------- Marcin Michalak Research Engineer Mobile: +41 79 330 83 51 Telscom AG _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 7 09:27:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00997 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6rry-0000WI-RZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:27:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h97DRIDf001997 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:27:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6rry-0000W8-MI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:27:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00970 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6rrw-0005Tk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:27:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6rrw-0005Th-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:27:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6rrh-0000S2-J2; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:27:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6rqi-0000Qw-Rj for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:26:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00896 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6rqU-0005Sx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:25:46 -0400 Received: from cclab.cs.chungnam.ac.kr ([168.188.129.51] helo=cclab.cnu.ac.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6rqT-0005So-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:25:46 -0400 Received: from LocalHost (cclab05 [168.188.129.65]) by cclab.cnu.ac.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20765 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:25:25 +0900 (KST) From: "Ki-Il Kim" To: Subject: [manet] multicast simulation code for MANET Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:25:39 +0900 Message-ID: <000801c38cd6$80637ec0$4181bca8@LocalHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C38D21.F04B26C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C38D21.F04B26C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All: Have AMROUTE, CAMP, AMRIS or any multicast protocols expects for ODMRP been implemented by using GLOMOSIM? Thanks. Best regards ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Ki-Il Kim, candidate of Ph.D Computer Communication Labotory Chungnam National University 220 Gung-dong, Yuseong-gu, Daejon, 305-764, Korea Tel : +82-42-821-7451 kikim@cclab.cnu.ac.kr --------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C38D21.F04B26C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = All:

 <= /o:p>

Have = AMROUTE, CAMP, AMRIS or any multicast protocols expects for ODMRP been = implemented by using GLOMOSIM?

 <= /o:p>

Thanks.=

 

 

Best= regards

----= -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -

Ki-I= l Kim, candidate of Ph.D

 

Comp= uter Communication Labotory

Chungnam National = University

220 Gung-dong, Yuseong-gu, Daejon, 305-764, = Korea

Tel = : +82-42-821-7451

kikim@cclab.cnu.ac.kr

-----------------------------= ----------------

 

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C38D21.F04B26C0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 7 15:58:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19879 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6xye-0003ip-7K for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:58:37 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h97JwaSP014306 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:58:36 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6xye-0003if-4Q for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:58:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19846 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6xyQ-0002pY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:58:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6xyP-0002pV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:58:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6xy6-0003bY-LH; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:58:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6xxm-0003ay-TF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:57:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19778 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6xxl-0002no-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:57:41 -0400 Received: from web41902.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.153]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6xxk-0002ni-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:57:40 -0400 Message-ID: <20031007193626.10872.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.148.143.132] by web41902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:36:26 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Shiv Mehra To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-382450382-1065555386=:9728" Subject: [manet] Glomosim -AODV Multi Interface Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-382450382-1065555386=:9728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id PAA19779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello friends, I am using Glomosim 2.03 and trying to modify the AODV Draft version 13 c= ompliant code by Vrishali Wagle to support multiple interfaces. =20 Broadcasting RREQ=92s (Initiating RREQ=92s) on multiple interfaces is not= a problem but I am having problems in Relaying RREQ=92s where the follow= ing function is been called NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay().=20 =20 I am using the simple multi-mac example shipped with glomosim, which is a= s follows =20 Node 0 =96 Two interfaces (0 and 1) Node 1 =96 One Interface (0) Node 2 =96 One Interface (0) Node 0(Interfaace 0) and Node 1 are on frequency 2.4e9 Node 0(Interface 1) and Node 2 are on frequency 2.41e9 =20 Node 10------------------0Node 01 ----------------------0Node2=20 =20 When packets are sent from Node 2 =96 Node 1 everything works fine (RREQ = is relayed to Interface 0 of Node 0). But when packets are sent from Node= 1 =96 Node 2 it does not work. (The RREQ seems to be relayed back on int= erface 0 and not on interface 1 of Node 0). I could not figure out where = to make changes even after tracing the function NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMess= ageWithDelay(). Any kind of help will be highly appreciated. Best regards, Shiv --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-382450382-1065555386=:9728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id PAA19779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello friends,

I am using Glomosim 2.03 and trying to modify the AODV = Draft version 13 compliant code by Vrishali Wagle to support multiple int= erfaces.

 

Broadcasting RREQ=92s (Initiating RREQ=92s) on multiple= interfaces is not a problem but I am having problems in Relaying RREQ=92= s where the following function is been called

NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay().

 

I am using the simple multi-mac example shipped with gl= omosim, which is as follows

 

Node 0 =96 Two interfaces (0 and 1)

Node 1 =96 One Interface (0)

Node 2 =96 One Interface (0)

Node 0(Interfaace 0) and Node 1 are on frequency 2.4e9<= /FONT>

Node 0(Interface 1) and Node 2 are on frequency 2.41e9<= /FONT>

 

Node 10------------------0Node 0<= SUP>1 ----------------------0Node2

 

When packets are sent from Node 2 =96 Node 1 everything= works fine (RREQ is relayed to Interface 0 of Node 0). But when packets = are sent from Node 1 =96 Node 2 it does not work. (The RREQ seems to be r= elayed back on interface 0 and not on interface 1 of Node 0). I could not= figure out where to make changes even after tracing the function Network= IpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay(). Any kind of help will be highly appreci= ated.

Best regards,

Shiv

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved= product search --0-382450382-1065555386=:9728-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 7 17:34:12 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23227 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6zSq-0000p8-P9 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:33:52 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h97LXqMD003160 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:33:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6zSq-0000ot-Lq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:33:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23209 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6zSo-00046F-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:33:50 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6zSn-00046C-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:33:49 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6zS1-0000hz-Id; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:33:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A6zRh-0000hM-II for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:32:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23198 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6zRf-00045x-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:32:39 -0400 Received: from students.depaul.edu ([140.192.1.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A6zRe-00045u-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:32:38 -0400 Received: from phd15 (phd15.cstcis.cti.depaul.edu [140.192.35.12]) by students.depaul.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E1016F1 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:32:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005601c38d1a$745c2d90$0c23c08c@cstcis.cti.depaul.edu> From: "Salah Aly" To: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:32:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C38CF0.8B6927B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] WQE for IEEE802.16 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C38CF0.8B6927B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello; Does anyone know how to apply WQE for IEEE 80216b? Is it available to connect WQE with the access points without wires? Any ideas, comments are welcome.. ---Salah ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C38CF0.8B6927B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello;

Does anyone = know how to=20 apply WQE for IEEE 80216b?

Is it = available to=20 connect WQE with the access points without=20 wires?

 Any ideas, = comments are=20 welcome..

---Salah

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Thank you very much! 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Hi all,

I came across use of directional antenna in MANETs......could any of you experienced folks , please shed some light on the feasability of using them ...or is it just another fancy idea with lot of air and little substance.

Thanks in advance.

/hersh

 

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Shopping - with improved product search --0-1440071066-1065604649=:9310-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 05:19:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07233 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ATK-0001Fy-Ha for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:19:15 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h989J6cj004829 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:19:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ATI-0001Dc-GH for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:19:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07202 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ATE-0002Wd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:19:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ATE-0002Wa-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:19:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ATG-000193-8F; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:19:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7AT2-00018a-R0 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:18:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07195; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ASz-0002WO-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:18:45 -0400 Received: from [211.91.220.4] (helo=ds20.nudt.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ASy-0002WJ-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:18:44 -0400 Received: by ds20.nudt.edu.cn (Postfix, from userid 506) id B4D355BD17; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:25:06 +0800 (HKT) From: Wanrong Yu To: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org Reply-To: Wanrong Yu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YH WebMail Program Version 1.5 X-Originating-IP: 172.31.100.22 Message-Id: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:25:06 +0800 (HKT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] =?gb2312?B?TkVNTyBvciBNQU5FVD8=?= Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,all I have read some drafts of NEMO and MANET, but I have some doubts. If there are several mobile networks, each has one or more MRs(we can imagine several cars), these cars meet and want to communication with each other, if the fixed infrastructure is unsable for some reasons, does the communication possible? and how? From the aspect of NEMO, we can loose the restrict of the existence of fixed infrastructure, from the aspect of MANET, we can extend the single node in the ad hoc to a subnet, both will point to the scenario above. I think this maybe a new scenario neithor NEMO or MANET has covered, and there are new issues arise such as routing and security. Does there any researchs on this scenario, or some current technology have solve the problem perfectly? Any comments or advices are welcomed, thanks a lot! Wanrong Yu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 07:28:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09943 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7CUI-0007AH-8W for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:28:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98BSEV0027540 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:28:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7CUI-0007A7-44 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:28:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09924 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7CUH-0003c2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:28:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7CUH-0003bz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:28:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7CU5-000795-Ed; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:28:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7CT8-00078h-LR for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:27:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09915 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7CT8-0003b2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:27:02 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.130.16] ident=7411) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7CT7-0003at-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:27:01 -0400 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47] ident=[IOLpnlO0FQsb5hZfcQ+rbbu5GMSfcwcM]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7CT4-0004py-GF for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:26:58 +0200 Received: from niu.ifi.uio.no ([129.240.65.209]) by mail-mx6.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A7CT1-0005cH-8k for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:26:55 +0200 Received: from localhost (andreto@localhost) by niu.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:26:55 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:26:54 +0200 (MEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning. X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Subject: [manet] A draft 11 compatible OLSR implementation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi all, I am a computer science master-student at UniK University graduate center in Norway. As part of the work on my master I have implemented a draft 11 compliant (as far as I can see) version of OLSR based on the INRA/NRL draft 3 compliant implementation. MID messages and handling is implementated, HNA is fixed(re-implemented), message formats are updated and a (external)GUI is made(along with a lot of changes to the code). 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This(0.2.0) is in no way a final version - but it would be nice to get some feedback regarding implementation issues, testing, bugs and so on :) Regards, Andreas T=F8nnesen _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 08:14:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11123 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DCB-0000sl-4x for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:13:40 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98CDZ9S003388 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:13:35 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DCA-0000sZ-VT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:13:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11104 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DC9-0003zr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:13:33 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DC9-0003zo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:13:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DAg-0000am-2p; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:12:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DA3-0000YW-4N for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:11:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11056; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DA1-0003xv-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:11:22 -0400 Received: from emroute1.cind.ornl.gov ([160.91.4.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DA1-0003xm-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:11:21 -0400 Received: from emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMF00N1FTUP48@emroute1.cind.ornl.gov>; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.ornl.gov (exchange1.ornl.gov [160.91.1.20]) by emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMF0036ATUJBN@emroute1.cind.ornl.gov>; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:11:06 -0400 From: Lawrence MacIntyre Subject: Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? In-reply-to: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> To: Wanrong Yu Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org Message-id: <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> Organization: High Performance Information Infrastructure Group MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-KhVgr0J70tpIQKxPZ6BC" References: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-KhVgr0J70tpIQKxPZ6BC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For MANET, this is no problem at all. The Mobile Routers (cars) will discover each other and communicate directly. There is no need for any fixed infrastructure. On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 05:25, Wanrong Yu wrote: > Hi,all > I have read some drafts of NEMO and MANET, but I=20 > have some doubts. If there are several mobile networks, > each has one or more MRs(we can imagine several cars),=20 > these cars meet and want to communication with each=20 > other, if the fixed infrastructure is unsable for some=20 > reasons, does the communication possible? and how? > From the aspect of NEMO, we can loose the restrict=20 > of the existence of fixed infrastructure, from the=20 > aspect of MANET, we can extend the single node in the=20 > ad hoc to a subnet, both will point to the scenario=20 > above. I think this maybe a new scenario neithor NEMO=20 > or MANET has covered, and there are new issues arise=20 > such as routing and security. > Does there any researchs on this scenario, or some=20 > current technology have solve the problem perfectly? > Any comments or advices are welcomed, thanks a lot! >=20 > Wanrong Yu >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=20 Lawrence MacIntyre 865.574.8696 lpz@ornl.gov Oak Ridge National Laboratory High Performance Information Infrastructure Technology Group --=-KhVgr0J70tpIQKxPZ6BC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/g/7aCNjP8rawCW4RAgj8AJ9O/iDoj/P6kKUzr+HpBPweaRbfhQCePNzT aQH7HWgw+LwQYO3i6eDXbpU= =u9FZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KhVgr0J70tpIQKxPZ6BC-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 08:29:55 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11600 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DRZ-0001jZ-9e for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:29:33 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98CTT1X006659 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:29:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DRZ-0001jK-4K for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:29:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11582 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DRX-0004C6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:29:27 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DRX-0004C2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:29:27 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DR7-0001h3-HD; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:29:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DQs-0001gU-Ar for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:28:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11561 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DQr-0004BV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:28:45 -0400 Received: from [211.91.220.4] (helo=ds20.nudt.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DQq-0004BS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:28:44 -0400 Received: by ds20.nudt.edu.cn (Postfix, from userid 506) id 0A7085BE23; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:35:07 +0800 (HKT) From: Wanrong Yu To: Lawrence MacIntyre Reply-To: Wanrong Yu Cc: manet@ietf.org References: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> In-Reply-To: <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YH WebMail Program Version 1.5 X-Originating-IP: 172.31.100.22 Message-Id: <20031008123507.0A7085BE23@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:35:07 +0800 (HKT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] =?gb2312?B?UmU6IFttYW5ldF0gTkVNTyBvciBNQU5FVD8=?= Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > For MANET, this is no problem at all. The Mobile Routers (cars) will > discover each other and communicate directly. There is no need for any > fixed infrastructure. communicate between MR is OK, but how about the nodes behinds the MR(there are a LAN), they may don't run an ad hoc protocol at all,how could they communicate with each other? Wanrong Yu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 09:00:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12799 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DvW-0004JX-HF for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:00:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98D0Qu3016582 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:00:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DvW-0004JN-DT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:00:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12769 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DvU-0004Yo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:00:25 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7DvU-0004Yl-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:00:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7DvC-00041W-Ne; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Dv0-000407-6d for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:59:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12725 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Duy-0004YN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:59:52 -0400 Received: from emroute2.cind.ornl.gov ([160.91.86.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Duy-0004YK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:59:52 -0400 Received: from emroute2.cind.ornl.gov (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by emroute2.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMF00D9FW3QCB@emroute2.cind.ornl.gov> for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.ornl.gov (exchange1.ornl.gov [160.91.1.20]) by emroute2.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMF007BBW3HOM@emroute2.cind.ornl.gov>; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:59:40 -0400 From: Lawrence MacIntyre Subject: Re: [manet] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? In-reply-to: <20031008123507.0A7085BE23@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> To: Wanrong Yu Cc: Lawrence MacIntyre , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <1065617980.1357.105.camel@nautique> Organization: High Performance Information Infrastructure Group MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-5zXEwZV2mI3BCI/ypACo" References: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> <20031008123507.0A7085BE23@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-5zXEwZV2mI3BCI/ypACo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the nodes are behind the MR, then the MR should be their default route. Therefore, they can communicate via the MRs with the nodes behind the other MR. On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 08:35, Wanrong Yu wrote: > > For MANET, this is no problem at all. The Mobile=20 > Routers (cars) will > > discover each other and communicate directly. There=20 > is no need for any > > fixed infrastructure. > communicate between MR is OK, but how about the nodes=20 > behinds the MR(there are a LAN), they may don't run an=20 > ad hoc protocol at all,how could they communicate with=20 > each other?=20 > Wanrong Yu >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=20 Lawrence MacIntyre 865.574.8696 lpz@ornl.gov Oak Ridge National Laboratory High Performance Information Infrastructure Technology Group --=-5zXEwZV2mI3BCI/ypACo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/hAo8CNjP8rawCW4RAnCDAJ4okKl/sWXGnAEVKCUHQdVEQ4j/NQCfT7hB eP/NgRZj2F1jVR9n953q1HU= =UPjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-5zXEwZV2mI3BCI/ypACo-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 09:14:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13478 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7E8v-0005Jl-TL for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:14:18 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98DEHpU020439 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:14:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7E8v-0005Ja-Nf for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:14:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13460 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7E8t-0004lt-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:14:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7E8t-0004lq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:14:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7E8e-0005By-UE; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:14:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7E7u-0005B0-F0 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:13:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13403 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7E7s-0004kv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:13:12 -0400 Received: from rainer.bnt.com ([12.4.218.18]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7E7s-0004kV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:13:12 -0400 Received: from tom ([198.70.230.133]) by rainer.bnt.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id h98DCusG002216; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:13:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from taolin@vt.edu) Message-ID: <001a01c38d9d$e9f16880$85e646c6@triplecom.net> From: "Tao Lin" To: "Wanrong Yu" , "Lawrence MacIntyre" Cc: References: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> <20031008123507.0A7085BE23@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Subject: Re: [manet] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:12:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We did an integration study on this topic. The subnets behind MRs can use the corresponding MRs as their default gateways. MRs use a MANET routing protocol. Therefore, the hosts in one subnet can reach other nodes in other subnets. IPSec was used provide security between MRs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanrong Yu" To: "Lawrence MacIntyre" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: [manet] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? > > > > For MANET, this is no problem at all. The Mobile > Routers (cars) will > > discover each other and communicate directly. There > is no need for any > > fixed infrastructure. > communicate between MR is OK, but how about the nodes > behinds the MR(there are a LAN), they may don't run an > ad hoc protocol at all,how could they communicate with > each other? > Wanrong Yu > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 10:04:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15381 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7EvF-0007gK-0w for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:04:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98E4CYA029525 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:04:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7EvE-0007g8-TT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:04:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15315 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7EvC-0005Jb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:04:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7EvC-0005JY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:04:10 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Ev3-0007ew-Ss; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:04:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Eu9-0007c8-Kq for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:03:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15238; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Eu7-0005J3-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:03:03 -0400 Received: from emroute1.cind.ornl.gov ([160.91.4.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Eu6-0005J0-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:03:03 -0400 Received: from emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMF00AR5Z0V3D@emroute1.cind.ornl.gov>; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.ornl.gov (exchange1.ornl.gov [160.91.1.20]) by emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMF00BL4Z0TUH@emroute1.cind.ornl.gov>; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:02:52 -0400 From: Lawrence MacIntyre Subject: RE: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? In-reply-to: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Lawrence MacIntyre , Wanrong Yu , nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org Message-id: <1065621772.1341.167.camel@nautique> Organization: High Performance Information Infrastructure Group MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-GknvmLy/+24zBU3ZnSF3" References: Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-GknvmLy/+24zBU3ZnSF3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure I understand your comment (or was it a question?). If you have a reason to communicate with a node, you need to know its address.=20 In the case of a non-routing node behind a MANET router, it would ideally share the network address of that router, just as nodes behind a standard IP router share the network address of their router. MANETs are just like infrastructured networks in that respect. The only difference is that the interconnectivity is not fixed. The routing protocol is designed to discover and utilize connectivity. To communicate with a node, you must have a way to learn its address, but that is not part of the routing protocol. On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 08:38, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hi Lawrence: >=20 > I guess the question was not about the car address, but the prefix > behind it. Like a MANET router with a bunch of non manet enabled nodes > attached to it.=20 >=20 > One way of seeing this is a lookup that resolved the "dumb" node prefix > into a via manet router (this is a constant) and then resolves where the > manet router is (say using a flooding). Another is to flood directly to > the "dumb" node address but then the manet router has to terminate the > protocol and respond itself. >=20 > This is all the difference between MIP and Nemo, actually. I may be > missing something but I'm not sure this is fully addressed in MANET > either? >=20 > Pascal=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lawrence MacIntyre [mailto:lpz@ornl.gov] > > Sent: mercredi 8 octobre 2003 14:11 > > To: Wanrong Yu > > Cc: nemo@ietf.org; manet@ietf.org > > Subject: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? > >=20 > > For MANET, this is no problem at all. The Mobile Routers (cars) will > > discover each other and communicate directly. There is no need for > any > > fixed infrastructure. > >=20 > > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 05:25, Wanrong Yu wrote: > > > Hi,all > > > I have read some drafts of NEMO and MANET, but I > > > have some doubts. If there are several mobile networks, > > > each has one or more MRs(we can imagine several cars), > > > these cars meet and want to communication with each > > > other, if the fixed infrastructure is unsable for some > > > reasons, does the communication possible? and how? > > > From the aspect of NEMO, we can loose the restrict > > > of the existence of fixed infrastructure, from the > > > aspect of MANET, we can extend the single node in the > > > ad hoc to a subnet, both will point to the scenario > > > above. I think this maybe a new scenario neithor NEMO > > > or MANET has covered, and there are new issues arise > > > such as routing and security. > > > Does there any researchs on this scenario, or some > > > current technology have solve the problem perfectly? > > > Any comments or advices are welcomed, thanks a lot! > > > > > > Wanrong Yu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > manet mailing list > > > manet@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > -- > > Lawrence MacIntyre 865.574.8696 lpz@ornl.gov > > Oak Ridge National Laboratory > > High Performance Information Infrastructure Technology Group --=20 Lawrence MacIntyre 865.574.8696 lpz@ornl.gov Oak Ridge National Laboratory High Performance Information Infrastructure Technology Group --=-GknvmLy/+24zBU3ZnSF3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/hBkMCNjP8rawCW4RAnHEAKCMCEazUcWQSGSRMGX1sVzXrgorEQCeKjw6 HGccg0e2+gaNFhFpqwODv3w= =UY0V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GknvmLy/+24zBU3ZnSF3-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 10:10:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16110 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7F12-0008Op-2T for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:10:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98EACU5032281 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:10:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7F11-0008Oa-T6 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:10:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16066 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7F0z-0005Pi-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7F0z-0005Pf-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7F0u-0008Hl-C3; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:10:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7F0m-0008Gv-3a for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:09:56 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16042 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7F0j-0005PM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:09:53 -0400 Received: from crystal.bbn.com ([128.89.80.29]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7F0j-0005P4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:09:53 -0400 Received: from crystal.bbn.com (localhost.bbn.com [127.0.0.1]) by crystal.bbn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBD71D154; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:21:54 -0400 (EDT) To: hersh shukla Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Opinion solicited on Directional Antenna In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:17:29 PDT." <20031008091730.9496.qmail@web20514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:21:54 -0400 From: Ram Ramanathan Message-Id: <20031008142154.8DBD71D154@crystal.bbn.com> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:17:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: hersh shukla > To: manet@ietf.org > In-Reply-To: <34C4FA35021357469685D8102806A1C04B8C2D@mail01.student.main.ntu.edu.sg> > > > Hi all, > > I came across use of directional antenna in MANETs......could any of you experienced folks , please shed some light on the feasability of using them ...or is it just another fancy idea with lot of air and little substance. > > Thanks in advance. > > /hersh > > Our group here at BBN Technologies, along with another organization has built a real-life prototype ad hoc network based on directional antennas and demonstrated it using 20 mobile vehicles mounted with switched directional antennas. The system includes a directional MAC, directional neighbor discovery and a host of other innovations to traditional ad hoc networking. So I believe it is a fancy idea with no air and a lot of substance:) Contact me directly if you want citations. -Ram. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 11:36:55 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23020 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GMb-0004a7-OO for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:36:34 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98FaXn7017605 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GMb-0004Zs-HL for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22983 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GMZ-0007NR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:36:31 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GMZ-0007NL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GM6-0004Xv-H0; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:36:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GLk-0004XD-4L for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:35:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22874 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GLi-0007LH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:35:38 -0400 Received: from [211.91.220.4] (helo=ds20.nudt.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GLh-0007L1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:35:37 -0400 Received: by ds20.nudt.edu.cn (Postfix, from userid 506) id 7A6A95AC7B; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:41:36 +0800 (HKT) From: Wanrong Yu To: Tao Lin Reply-To: Wanrong Yu Cc: manet@ietf.org References: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> <20031008123507.0A7085BE23@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <001a01c38d9d$e9f16880$85e646c6@triplecom.net> In-Reply-To: <001a01c38d9d$e9f16880$85e646c6@triplecom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YH WebMail Program Version 1.5 X-Originating-IP: 218.76.40.110 Message-Id: <20031008154136.7A6A95AC7B@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:41:36 +0800 (HKT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] =?gb2312?B?UmU6IFttYW5ldF0gTkVNTyBvciBNQU5FVD8=?= Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > We did an integration study on this topic. The subnets behind MRs can use > the corresponding MRs as their default gateways. MRs use a MANET routing > protocol. Therefore, the hosts in one subnet can reach other nodes in other > > subnets. IPSec was used provide security between MRs. Would you please offer more information about your study on this topic, such as public articles or web site,thanks a lot. I think the MANET routing protocol running on the MR maybe special bacause the MR should maintain the network prefix information, just as NEMO extends the stardard MIP. Wanrong Yu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 11:44:51 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23789 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GUH-0005Ou-VT for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:44:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98FiTWW020759 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:44:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GUH-0005Ok-LA for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:44:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23735 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GUG-0007e1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:44:28 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GUG-0007dy-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:44:28 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GTp-0005Go-V8; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:44:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GSy-0005GD-S2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:43:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23601 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GSx-0007aa-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:43:07 -0400 Received: from emroute1.cind.ornl.gov ([160.91.4.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GSw-0007aA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:43:06 -0400 Received: from emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMG00BJN3NHMG@emroute1.cind.ornl.gov> for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.ornl.gov (exchange1.ornl.gov [160.91.1.20]) by emroute1.cind.ornl.gov (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30669) with ESMTP id <0HMG00BK13NFP6@emroute1.cind.ornl.gov>; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:42:51 -0400 From: Lawrence MacIntyre Subject: Re: [manet] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? In-reply-to: <20031008154136.7A6A95AC7B@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> To: Wanrong Yu Cc: Tao Lin , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <1065627771.1357.181.camel@nautique> Organization: High Performance Information Infrastructure Group MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-1V9+piHSBlHX8DGywDTn" References: <20031008092506.B4D355BD17@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <1065615066.1341.102.camel@nautique> <20031008123507.0A7085BE23@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> <001a01c38d9d$e9f16880$85e646c6@triplecom.net> <20031008154136.7A6A95AC7B@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-1V9+piHSBlHX8DGywDTn Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depending on the MANET protocol used, the MRs may advertise routes to subnets that they have behind them, just as they can with infrastructured protocols, such as OSPF or BGP. It is easier, of course, if the MR is a member of the same IP subnet as the hosts behind it. On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 11:41, Wanrong Yu wrote: > > We did an integration study on this topic. The=20 > subnets behind MRs can use > > the corresponding MRs as their default gateways. MRs=20 > use a MANET routing > > protocol. Therefore, the hosts in one subnet can=20 > reach other nodes in other > > > > subnets. IPSec was used provide security between MRs. >=20 > Would you please offer more information about your=20 > study on this topic, such as public articles or web=20 > site,thanks a lot.=20 > I think the MANET routing protocol running on the MR=20 > maybe special bacause the MR should maintain the=20 > network prefix information, just as NEMO extends the=20 > stardard MIP. >=20 >=20 > Wanrong Yu >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=20 Lawrence MacIntyre 865.574.8696 lpz@ornl.gov Oak Ridge National Laboratory High Performance Information Infrastructure Technology Group --=-1V9+piHSBlHX8DGywDTn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/hDB6CNjP8rawCW4RApQRAKCVzZF10LEFI2QFe1ZIxHRUqIKZOgCeMgSk NkBU9yhQOEQVHCbTzOS2Q7E= =bqIa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-1V9+piHSBlHX8DGywDTn-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 11:59:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24654 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Gin-00069y-Hg for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:59:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98FxTNZ023679 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:59:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Gim-00069q-MP for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:59:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24625 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Gil-0000A3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:59:27 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Gik-0000A0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:59:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GiM-000624-2m; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:59:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GiA-00061R-3B for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:58:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24613 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Gi8-00009o-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:58:48 -0400 Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.162.213]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Gi7-00009l-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:58:48 -0400 Received: from zidane.cc.vt.edu (IDENT:mirapoint@evil-zidane [10.1.1.13]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98Fwlaa514939; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LAPTOPPC (h80ad37c6.dhcp.vt.edu [128.173.55.198]) by zidane.cc.vt.edu (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with ESMTP id CAF89595; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a801c38db5$0def4f10$c637ad80@LAPTOPPC> From: "Tao Lin" To: "Wanrong Yu" Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:58:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Wu Wanrong, Our integration study is summarized in a paper and currently under review. So we cannot release the paper now. As Lawrance pointed out, the scheme we used for subnet hosts is similar to the scenarios in wired networks. You can consider one MR and the subnet behind it as a node in a MANET. MRs run MANET routing protocols to provide onnectivities in the backbone network and they also declare subnets behind them. One can manually configure or use some other protocols to maintain the routing tables in those end hosts behind MRs. Thus, end hosts can communicate with other hosts in other subnets. Tao Lin Ph.D. Candidate Laboratory for Advanced Networking (LAN) ECE Department Virginia Tech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanrong Yu" To: "Tao Lin" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: [manet] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? > > We did an integration study on this topic. The > subnets behind MRs can use > > the corresponding MRs as their default gateways. MRs > use a MANET routing > > protocol. Therefore, the hosts in one subnet can > reach other nodes in other > > > > subnets. IPSec was used provide security between MRs. > > Would you please offer more information about your > study on this topic, such as public articles or web > site,thanks a lot. > I think the MANET routing protocol running on the MR > maybe special bacause the MR should maintain the > network prefix information, just as NEMO extends the > stardard MIP. > > > Wanrong Yu > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 12:07:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25267 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GqO-0007IE-Ot for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:07:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98G7KYI028013 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:07:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7GqO-0007Hk-3o for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:07:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25197 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GqL-0000Mc-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:07:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7GqL-0000MZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:07:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Gq6-00077y-Iu; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:07:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Gpo-00075d-Si for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:06:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25140; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Gpn-0000L9-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:06:43 -0400 Received: from motgate.mot.com ([129.188.136.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Gpm-0000L6-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:06:42 -0400 Received: from az33exr02.mot.com (az33exr02.mot.com [10.64.251.232]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id h98G6VC7012209; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from thorgal.crm.mot.com (zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.8]) by az33exr02.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr02) with ESMTP id h98G6RSt029803; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:06:29 -0500 Received: from nal.motlabs.com (test9.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.219]) by thorgal.crm.mot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0DF2ED4E; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F843600.50804@nal.motlabs.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:06:24 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lawrence MacIntyre Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Lawrence MacIntyre , Wanrong Yu , nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? References: <1065621772.1341.167.camel@nautique> In-Reply-To: <1065621772.1341.167.camel@nautique> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.72.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lawrence MacIntyre wrote: > The routing protocol is designed to discover and utilize > connectivity. To communicate with a node, you must have a way to > learn its address, but that is not part of the routing protocol. I agree with that. I agree there is no way for two manet islands completely unknown to each other, each one having its own addressing scheme and deployed addresses, to sort of "join" one another and for their routing tables to get updated accordingly. I mean, assume a manet1 made of two nodes with addresses m11 and m12 respectively, and another manet2 made of other two nodes m21 and m22. When the two manets are separated, communication is ok between m11 and m12, and between m21 and m22. Join them by drawing a link between m11 and m21. After the "join" phase, I don't think there is any manet technique/protocol that would allow m22 and m11 communicate directly. What happens if, by lack of chance, nodes in the two manet islands were initially assigned the same addresses (pairwise: m11 equals m21 and m12 equals m22, but still m11 different than m12 and m21 diff m22)? Communication inside manet1 is ok, and inside manet2 is also ok, but not across. A way of looking at those two networks is to consider that one of them has many available addresses. Distributes some of them to its own nodes by simple DHCP, and keeps a subset of addresses for distribution (by DHCP prefix delegation) to the other network that "visits" it. In this way address conflicts are avoided. The way the NEMO WG group looks at this (if I interpret it correctly) is that the DHCP prefix delegation can happen in this way only if infrastructure is not available (if available then DHCP prefix delegation happens between the home network and the moving network, not between the moving network and the fixed access system). I think this way of supporting two moving networks in two different vehicles that need to "join" (while infrastructure is not available) is viable. And, because the discussion was triggered with a vehicular background in mind, there are many potential scenarios related the way this is deployed, and what's the business need for it. If a manufacturer wants its cars to be able to talk to each other such as to automatically avoid collisions while in a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam, then it would assign unique addresses to all its vehicles, and a same unique manet protocol on all vehicles, then two cars of same model could easily talk to each other w/o infrastructure present. If on the other hand, manufacturer has a need to remotely update software deployed in a car, or garage remotely measures mileage and calls driver for periodic checkup, then this requires communication over the Internet, with the help of fixed infrastructure, so manet protocols are not needed at all (but Mobile IP for moving networks yes). Or again, if a fixed camera measures speed of bypassing vehicles and notifies driver about crossing limits and fines to pay, in a live manner, then again, infrastructure is needed, Mobile IP yes, and manet no. IMHO choosing between manet protocols and Mobile IP-based solution depends largely on the vehicular scenario involved; what's your scenario Wanrong? Alex GBU _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 13:17:49 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28078 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7HwC-0003bV-Qe for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:17:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98HHOtJ013847 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7HwC-0003bG-Kw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28046 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7HwA-0001NQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:17:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Hw9-0001NN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:17:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Hvp-0003YB-OW; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:17:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Hv0-0003WR-U1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:16:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28010; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Huy-0001MS-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:16:08 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Hux-0001Lw-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:16:08 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id h98HFMn13016; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:15:22 -0700 X-mProtect: <200310081715> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpd6iojIM; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:15:21 PDT Message-ID: <3F844629.B544F895@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:15:21 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandru Petrescu CC: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? References: <1065621772.1341.167.camel@nautique> <3F843600.50804@nal.motlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Alexandru, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > ... there is no way for two manet islands completely unknown to each > other, each one having its own addressing scheme and deployed addresses, > to sort of "join" one another and for their routing tables to get > updated accordingly. I don't agree with this assessment. The scenario that you paint in a latter paragraph in your note has to do with duplicate address assignment. I agree that when there are duplicate addresses, things are troublesome, and there is the potential for failure. But: 1) Given existing constraints on the size of ad hoc networks, this should be a rare event in IPv4 2) For IPv6, it should be _extremely_ rare 3) In the absence of rare events, things work pretty well 4) There are ways around the problem if one can nominate an address arbitration entity or regime of operation What this means is that when two ad hoc networks join, there is the potential for trouble. But this has to be viewed with a reasonable tolerance for reality: - it's practically impossible to prevent in an absolute sense - there are other dangers, also impossible to prevent, that we don't even consider trying to prevent by protocol (e.g., nuclear strike, election of a spider mite for president of USA, collisions with asteroids, and currently not even malicious node operation). Whatever solution you may try to devise, please keep the following examples in mind: 1. Joining of two networks with 500 nodes each 2. Joining of two networks with 20 nodes each 3. Joining of two networks, one with 500 nodes, one with 20 nodes 4. Joining of two networks, one with 500 nodes, the other with 1 node 5. Joining of two networks, one with 20 nodes, the other with 1 node. 6. Joining of two networks, one with 1 node, the other with 1 node. If your solution requires, for the fourth example, that all 500 nodes start blasting away on some validation broadcast just because one more node joins their network, then I claim your solution is broken. I would also like to avoid mandating the existence of an address arbitration authority in every ad hoc network. That would be overkill. I can make one suggestion that hasn't been discussed very much. Perhaps we should assign a lifetime to all autoconfigured addresses in an ad hoc network. That way, it is less likely that two nodes would have the same address for any extended period of time. Of course, the lifetime requires periodic revalidation, not necessarily relinquishing an address that is currently configured, as long as the revalidation does not fail. Regards, Charlie P. PS. I am not on the [nemo] mailing list, so this may fail to appear there. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 13:22:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28229 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7I0t-0004Gx-GD for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h98HMFGG016417 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7I0t-0004Gi-Cv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28202 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7I0r-0001Qz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7I0q-0001Qw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7I0f-00048j-FT; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7I0a-00046S-92 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:21:56 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28189 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7I0Y-0001Ql-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:21:54 -0400 Received: from s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.83.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7I0X-0001Qe-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:21:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil (smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.86.3]) by s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.8) with SMTP id h98HLGMq024008; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tamlyn.itd.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.92.192]) by smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2003100813211508966 ; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:21:15 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008131916.026d5a90@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> X-Sender: lee@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:20:21 -0400 To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?T=F8nnesen?= , manet@ietf.org From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: [manet] A draft 11 compatible OLSR implementation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI for those not on the MANET mailing list. Has an interesting GUI tool. Not IPv6 capable, nor does the GUI display topology. -Ron At 07:26 AM 10/8/03, Andreas T=F8nnesen wrote: >Hi all, > >I am a computer science master-student at UniK University graduate center >in Norway. As part of the work on my master I have implemented a draft 11 >compliant (as far as I can see) version of OLSR based on the INRA/NRL >draft 3 compliant implementation. >MID messages and handling is implementated, HNA is fixed(re-implemented), >message formats are updated and a (external)GUI is made(along with a lot >of changes to the code). > >I have made a web page for the project, it's not 100% finished but the >most basic info/functionality is present: >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi > >The implementation is GNU/linux >=3D2.4 only (for now). > >This(0.2.0) is in no way a final version - but it would be nice to get >some feedback regarding implementation issues, testing, bugs and so on :) > > >Regards, >Andreas T=F8nnesen > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 13:25:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28346 for ; 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Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:23:29 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008132124.026e7010@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> X-Sender: lee@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:34 -0400 To: manet@ietf.org From: Ron Lee Subject: Fwd: Re: [manet] A draft 11 compatible OLSR implementation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My apologies ... meant to forward to some colleagues. -Ron >Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:20:21 -0400 >To: Andreas T=F8nnesen , manet@ietf.org >From: Ron Lee >Subject: Re: [manet] A draft 11 compatible OLSR implementation > >FYI for those not on the MANET mailing list. >Has an interesting GUI tool. > >Not IPv6 capable, nor does the GUI display topology. > > >-Ron _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 14:41:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02143 for ; 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Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:41:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7JF8-0001ER-VU; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7JEK-0001D7-E1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:40:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02083 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7JEH-0002ah-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:40:09 -0400 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7JEG-0002ac-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:40:08 -0400 Received: from sequoia (sequoia [128.111.40.85]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98Ie4222602; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Vrishali P. Wagle" X-Sender: vrishali@sequoia To: Shiv Mehra cc: manet@ietf.org, "Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer" Subject: Re: [manet] Glomosim -AODV Multi Interface In-Reply-To: <20031007193626.10872.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hello Shiv, You may want to repalce the calls to NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessage and the= =20 NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay functions with calls to=20 NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageToMacLayer and=20 NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageToMacLayerWithDelay respectively and specify = =20 your corresponding interfaces in these calls. Kindly let me know. Vrishali On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Shiv Mehra wrote: >=20 > Hello friends, >=20 > I am using Glomosim 2.03 and trying to modify the AODV Draft version 13 c= ompliant code by Vrishali Wagle to support multiple interfaces. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Broadcasting RREQ=92s (Initiating RREQ=92s) on multiple interfaces is not= a problem but I am having problems in Relaying RREQ=92s where the followin= g function is been called >=20 > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay().=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > I am using the simple multi-mac example shipped with glomosim, which is a= s follows >=20 > =20 >=20 > Node 0 =96 Two interfaces (0 and 1) >=20 > Node 1 =96 One Interface (0) >=20 > Node 2 =96 One Interface (0) >=20 > Node 0(Interfaace 0) and Node 1 are on frequency 2.4e9 >=20 > Node 0(Interface 1) and Node 2 are on frequency 2.41e9 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Node 10------------------0Node 01 ----------------------0Node2=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > When packets are sent from Node 2 =96 Node 1 everything works fine (RREQ = is relayed to Interface 0 of Node 0). But when packets are sent from Node 1= =96 Node 2 it does not work. (The RREQ seems to be relayed back on interfa= ce 0 and not on interface 1 of Node 0). I could not figure out where to mak= e changes even after tracing the function NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithD= elay(). Any kind of help will be highly appreciated. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Shiv >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 8 20:26:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA16700 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7OdN-0003zn-EY for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:26:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h990QPfp015351 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:26:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7OdN-0003zU-5x for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:26:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA16670 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7OdK-0006Wx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:26:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7OdK-0006Wu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:26:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Ocz-0003vH-Vf; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:26:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Ocr-0003us-2m for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:25:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA16649 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Oco-0006WY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:25:50 -0400 Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.152]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Oco-0006WB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:25:50 -0400 Message-ID: <20031008223018.44505.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.148.142.194] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:30:18 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Shiv Mehra Subject: Re: [manet] Glomosim -AODV Multi Interface To: vrishali@cs.ucsb.edu Cc: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hello Vrishali, Thank you for the prompt response. I proceeded as you had mentioned and everything seems to be working fine. Thank you once again. Best regards, Shiv --- "Vrishali P. Wagle" wrote: > > Hello Shiv, > > You may want to repalce the calls to > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessage and the > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay functions with > calls to > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageToMacLayer and > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageToMacLayerWithDelay > respectively and specify > your corresponding interfaces in these calls. > > Kindly let me know. > > Vrishali > > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Shiv Mehra wrote: > > > > > Hello friends, > > > > I am using Glomosim 2.03 and trying to modify the > AODV Draft version 13 compliant code by Vrishali > Wagle to support multiple interfaces. > > > > > > > > Broadcasting RREQs (Initiating RREQs) on > multiple interfaces is not a problem but I am having > problems in Relaying RREQs where the following > function is been called > > > > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay(). > > > > > > > > I am using the simple multi-mac example shipped > with glomosim, which is as follows > > > > > > > > Node 0 Two interfaces (0 and 1) > > > > Node 1 One Interface (0) > > > > Node 2 One Interface (0) > > > > Node 0(Interfaace 0) and Node 1 are on frequency > 2.4e9 > > > > Node 0(Interface 1) and Node 2 are on frequency > 2.41e9 > > > > > > > > Node 10------------------0Node 01 > ----------------------0Node2 > > > > > > > > When packets are sent from Node 2 Node 1 > everything works fine (RREQ is relayed to Interface > 0 of Node 0). But when packets are sent from Node 1 > Node 2 it does not work. (The RREQ seems to be > relayed back on interface 0 and not on interface 1 > of Node 0). I could not figure out where to make > changes even after tracing the function > NetworkIpSendRawGlomoMessageWithDelay(). Any kind of > help will be highly appreciated. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shiv > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I have spent sometimes reading the paper(s) on performance/throughput analy= sis of IEEE 802.11. In "Bianchi" paper, he analyse the "sarturation thro= ughput" by assuming that there are always packet for sending. What I am interested is to know with the sending rate \lambda (not in satur= ation), with probablity of collision p, what is the rate that will be se= nt as a function of \lambda. Has anyone done any work on this issue ? Please let me know ? Thanks Peter Pham Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 01:02:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23717 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7SwE-0007Ep-TQ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:02:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9952Abo027817 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:02:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7SwE-0007Ea-PY for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:02:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23685 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7SwB-0001MZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:02:07 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7SwB-0001MW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:02:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Sw4-00079p-4E; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:02:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7SvV-000750-Eu for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:01:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23637 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7SvS-0001Ly-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:01:22 -0400 Received: from barrichello.cs.ucr.edu ([138.23.169.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7SvS-0001Lj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:01:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8250BAB571BB; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.cs.ucr.edu (io.cs.ucr.edu [138.23.174.180]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C35CAB571A6; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by io.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix, from userid 7296) id 1076126EAE; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by io.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0515F25856; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" To: Peter Pham Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis In-Reply-To: <1065674791.ae3f12a0nppham@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-28.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE, USER_AGENT_PINE autolearn=ham version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Peter, One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in the contention) from n to n': n' = n * \lambda * T where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). Zhenqiang (Frank) Ye On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Peter Pham wrote: > Hi all > I have spent sometimes reading the paper(s) on performance/throughput analysis of IEEE 802.11. In "Bianchi" paper, he analyse the "sarturation throughput" by assuming that there are always packet for sending. > > What I am interested is to know with the sending rate \lambda (not in saturation), with probablity of collision p, what is the rate that will be sent as a function of \lambda. > > Has anyone done any work on this issue ? > > Please let me know ? > > Thanks > Peter Pham > Peter Phuc Pham > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > -- **************************************** Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye Ph.D Student Department of Electrical Engineering University of California, Riverside Phone: (909)-787-2434 email: zye@cs.ucr.edu **************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 01:51:49 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA24915 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Thu-0001Zq-Fm for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:51:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h995pQdW006056 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:51:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Thu-0001Zb-Bd for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:51:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA24898 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Thq-0001mk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:51:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Thq-0001mh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:51:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ThW-0001VQ-8z; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:51:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Tgh-0001Tc-0e for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:50:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA24879 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Tgd-0001mP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:50:07 -0400 Received: from law15-f65.law15.hotmail.com ([64.4.23.65] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7Tgd-0001lu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:50:07 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:49:37 -0700 Received: from 203.129.220.117 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:49:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.129.220.117] X-Originating-Email: [karun8880@hotmail.com] From: "Karun Verma" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:19:37 +0530 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 05:49:37.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FEAC9F0:01C38E29] Subject: [manet] Performance Evaluation of MANET Protocols in NS: Help!! 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Dear Friends,

Please help me how can i make a simulation that can evaluate various MANET Protocols. How can i measure the features of each protocol described in NS. i have installed ns 2.26 on Linux 7.2.

Thanx in Advance

Karun Verma

 


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Register now! _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 02:02:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA27936 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7TsO-0002Ds-Op for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:02:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9962G6L008543 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:02:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7TsO-0002Di-As for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:02:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA27369 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7TsK-0001tT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:02:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7TsK-0001tQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:02:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Ts9-00026e-Eu; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:02:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7Trd-000253-Hs for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:01:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA26544 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7TrZ-0001tB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:01:25 -0400 Received: from web14409.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.220]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7TrZ-0001t8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:01:25 -0400 Message-ID: <20031009060121.54223.qmail@web14409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.111.195.211] by web14409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:01:21 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Amit Jardosh Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 To: Hang Su Cc: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20031009112150.66e75175.shzju@eyou.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , hi Hang, assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as your propagation model, you would see that in mobile/tworayground.cc .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon the distance between the source and the destination node. you can play around with that. hth .. Amit --- Hang Su wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation > range in NS2 can > be varied/changed on a per packet basis > > Thanks in advance, > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet ===== Amit Jardosh Graduate Student MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science University of California, Santa Barbara homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <20031009085708.GB2001@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Karun, (please send Emails as plain text, not HTML attachment.) Karun Verma wrote on Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 11:19:37AM +0530: [ HTML code snipped ] Performance evaluation is a complex field, especially with MANETs. It depends on what you are looking for. There is no simple instruction, how to do this (with NS-2 or other simulators). A rough overview would be: - Decide in which kind of application context you want to evaluate the routing protocols. - Design a set of simulation scenarios, that closely model your application context. A scenario consist of at least movement behaviour and traffic behaviour of the nodes. - Implement the scenarios with the methods given by the simulation software you are going to use (e.g. NS-2/otcl). - For each scenario create a number of variants possibly based on different random seed to get good statistical dissemination. - Run the simulations for each scenario variant and for each routing protocol to evaluate. - Process the simulation results. If you have to deal with NS-2 tracefiles, this could be an ugly task. - Evaluate the simulation results. - Draw a conclusion. I am currently writing my dissertation about this subject. I hope to be able to publish it by the end of this year. 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exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 06:40:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA14902 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7YDT-0003gc-SA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:40:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99AeJCR014167 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:40:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7YDT-0003gQ-L4 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:40:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA14878 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 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1A7YD4-0004mQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:39:55 -0400 Received: from uidaho.edu (mailB [129.101.155.251]) by mailB.its.uidaho.edu (Go Vandals!) with ESMTP id <0HMH00B5EK9QRT@mailB.its.uidaho.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.101.97.26] by mailB.its.uidaho.edu (mshttpd); Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:39:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:39:25 -0700 From: Jianqiang Zeng To: manet@ietf.org Message-id: <234985237703.237703234985@uidaho.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [manet] OPNET MATLAB cosimulation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT hello, I want to run some simulations in OPNET based on MATLAB file. Are there anybody who had done this work before? Can anybody tell me how to interface OPNET with MATLAB? Thanks a lot! Best Regards Jianqiang Zeng Best Regards Jianqiang Zeng, Graduate Student Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Idaho Moscow, ID 83844-1023 Tel: (208) 885-5158 email: zeng3567@uidaho.edu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 10:08:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20925 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7bSv-0005jU-Hr for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:08:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99E8TYo022030 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:08:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7bSv-0005jE-Bq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:08:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20846 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7bSs-0006kh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:08:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7bSs-0006kb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:08:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7bSU-0005W8-H5; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:08:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7bS3-0005Mp-1P for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:07:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20703 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7bS0-0006j5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:07:32 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7bRz-0006ie-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:07:32 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:10:08 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@210.32.131.214) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:10:08 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:04:25 +0800 From: Hang Su To: Amit Jardosh Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 Message-Id: <20031009220425.4583c456.shzju@eyou.com> In-Reply-To: <20031009060121.54223.qmail@web14409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031009112150.66e75175.shzju@eyou.com> <20031009060121.54223.qmail@web14409.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Amit, thanks for your help. But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power dynamically in the simulation. If I set the value txPower like $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6 then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the duration of the simulation. Can you tell me more about it. thanks again. On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Amit Jardosh wrote: > hi Hang, > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as > your propagation model, you would see that in > mobile/tworayground.cc .. there is a Pr value that is > calculated depending upon the distance between the > source and the destination node. you can play around > with that. > > hth .. Amit > > --- Hang Su wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation > > range in NS2 can > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > ===== > > Amit Jardosh > Graduate Student > MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science > University of California, Santa Barbara > homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 11:13:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23861 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7cTd-00011Y-24 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:13:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99FDHBT003930 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:13:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7cTc-00011J-Rj for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:13:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23846 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7cTb-0007Rn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:13:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7cTb-0007Rk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:13:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7cTM-0000xF-5d; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:13:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7cSv-0000wP-VA for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:12:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23813 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7cSv-0007Qb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:12:33 -0400 Received: from pushme.nist.gov ([129.6.16.92] helo=postmark.nist.gov) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7cSu-0007QY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:12:32 -0400 Received: from nist.gov (mouse.antd.nist.gov [129.6.50.84]) by postmark.nist.gov (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h99FCAe7007580; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F85894B.82186145@nist.gov> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:14:03 -0400 From: bjkwak Reply-To: bjkwak@nist.gov Organization: NIST, MD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org CC: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" , Peter Pham Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Frank, "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" wrote: > > Hi, Peter, > One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in > the contention) from n to n': > n' = n * \lambda * T > where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, > DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). It may be a little bit more complicated than that. Because IEEE 802.11 node behaves differently depending on the status of the Queue when a packet arrives. For example, if the Queue is empty when a packet arrives, the packet is transmitted right away without any backoff. But if the Queue is not empty, the packet enters backoff procedure when it is its turn for transmission. Under saturation condition, the Queue is never empty and the analysis becomes simple. Thanks! Byung-Jae > Zhenqiang (Frank) Ye > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Peter Pham wrote: > > > Hi all > > I have spent sometimes reading the paper(s) on performance/throughput > > analysis of IEEE 802.11. In "Bianchi" paper, he analyse the > > "sarturation throughput" by assuming that there are always packet for > > sending. > > > > What I am interested is to know with the sending rate \lambda > > (not in saturation), with probablity of collision p, what is the rate > > that will be sent as a function of \lambda. > > > > Has anyone done any work on this issue ? > > > > Please let me know ? > > > > Thanks > > Peter Pham > > Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 11:31:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24632 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7clB-00026a-0R for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:31:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99FVOX8008089 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:31:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7clA-00026O-ON for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:31:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24616 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7cl9-0007k0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7cl9-0007jx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ckq-0001yw-PP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:31:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ckQ-0001xe-NG for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:30:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24584 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ckP-0007jR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:30:37 -0400 Received: from mailserver1.opnet.com ([12.145.55.23]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ckO-0007jO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:30:37 -0400 Received: from wtn11055.opnet.com (wtn11055.opnet.com [172.16.11.55]) by mailserver1.opnet.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h99FUQkN011751; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009110111.01da5fe0@mailserver.opnet.com> X-Sender: jlee@mailserver.opnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:30:26 -0400 To: Jianqiang Zeng , manet@ietf.org From: Jay J Lee Subject: Re: [manet] OPNET MATLAB cosimulation In-Reply-To: <234985237703.237703234985@uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-MailScanner: Not scanned: Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I haven't done that myself but I am pretty familiar with the OPNET Co-Sim API which provides an interface between these two to do this. PM me if you want details. I have heard that MATLAB provides a similar interface too. You can post your question to the OPNET user forum as well. Visit OPNET support center (www.opnet.com/support) and follow the "OPNET User Forums" link to subscribe. Best of luck, - Jay At 03:39 AM 10/9/2003 -0700, Jianqiang Zeng wrote: >hello, I want to run some simulations in OPNET based on MATLAB file. Are >there anybody who had done this work before? >Can anybody tell me how to interface OPNET with MATLAB? Thanks a lot! > >Best Regards >Jianqiang Zeng > >Best Regards >Jianqiang Zeng, Graduate Student >Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering >University of Idaho >Moscow, ID 83844-1023 >Tel: (208) 885-5158 >email: zeng3567@uidaho.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 12:13:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26214 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7dPq-0005Uc-0p for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:13:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99GDPtm021108 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:13:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7dPp-0005UN-Tn for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:13:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26177 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7dPo-0000SI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:13:24 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7dPn-0000SD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:13:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7dPR-0005NC-6P; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:13:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7dOl-0005MW-9J for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:12:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26136 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7dOi-0000QV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:12:17 -0400 Received: from barrichello.cs.ucr.edu ([138.23.169.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7dOh-0000QH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:12:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685D0AB571BB; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.cs.ucr.edu (io.cs.ucr.edu [138.23.174.180]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BC7AB571A6; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by io.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix, from userid 7296) id 462EB26EAE; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by io.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9832693F; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" To: bjkwak Cc: , Peter Pham Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis In-Reply-To: <3F8587EF.CBD8A1B9@nist.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-38.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE,USER_AGENT_PINE autolearn=ham version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I agree with you. The number of competing stations varies at diffent contention periods. If n' is very sensitive to \lamda or T, the method I discussed will not work any more. Thanks, Frank On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, bjkwak wrote: > Hi Frank, > > "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" wrote: > > > > Hi, Peter, > > One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in > > the contention) from n to n': > > n' = n * \lambda * T > > where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, > > DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). > > It may be a little bit more complicated than that. Because IEEE 802.11 > node behaves differently depending on the status of the Queue when a > packet arrives. For example, if the Queue is empty when a packet > arrives, > the packet is transmitted right away without any backoff. But if the > Queue is not empty, the packet enters backoff procedure when it is its > turn for transmission. Under saturation condition, the Queue is never > empty and the analysis becomes simple. > > Thanks! > > Byung-Jae > > > Zhenqiang (Frank) Ye > > > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Peter Pham wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > I have spent sometimes reading the paper(s) on performance/throughput > > > analysis of IEEE 802.11. In "Bianchi" paper, he analyse the > > > "sarturation throughput" by assuming that there are always packet for > > > sending. > > > > > > What I am interested is to know with the sending rate \lambda > > > (not in saturation), with probablity of collision p, what is the rate > > > that will be sent as a function of \lambda. > > > > > > Has anyone done any work on this issue ? > > > > > > Please let me know ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Peter Pham > > > Peter Phuc Pham > > > > -- **************************************** Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye Ph.D Student Department of Electrical Engineering University of California, Riverside Phone: (909)-787-2434 email: zye@cs.ucr.edu **************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 17:05:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11159 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7hyP-0008CV-Ul for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:05:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99L5Pt6031517 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7hyP-0008CG-PU for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11152 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7hyN-0004bY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:05:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7hyN-0004bV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:05:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7hy3-00087v-8L; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:05:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7hxk-00084C-Q0 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:04:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11144 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7hxi-0004bB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:04:42 -0400 Received: from students.depaul.edu ([140.192.1.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7hxi-0004b8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:04:42 -0400 Received: from phd15 (phd15.cstcis.cti.depaul.edu [140.192.35.12]) by students.depaul.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B84CE1A99 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:04:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010501c38ea8$e070bac0$0c23c08c@cstcis.cti.depaul.edu> From: "Salah Aly" To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:04:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0102_01C38E7E.F77F3B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] question Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01C38E7E.F77F3B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello; can we apply the firewall policies and rules at the Access points = instead of at the routers or the cores to secure WLAN? does anyone have any notes or papers on firewall wireless security or = firewall ad-hoc security? ---Salah ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01C38E7E.F77F3B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0102_01C38E7E.F77F3B80-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 18:09:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA13743 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7iyG-0003Yx-BG for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:09:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99M9KvN013689 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:09:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7iyG-0003Yi-7b for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:09:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA13563 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7iyD-0005Ex-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:09:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7iyC-0005Eu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:09:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ixz-0003UJ-0u; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:09:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7ixY-0003TM-Vc for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:08:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA13460 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ixW-0005EC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:08:34 -0400 Received: from mx-serv.inrialpes.fr ([194.199.18.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7ixU-0005Dp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:08:33 -0400 Received: from imap-serv.inrialpes.fr (imap-serv.inrialpes.fr [194.199.18.72]) by mx-serv.inrialpes.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h99M7pVT010426; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by imap-serv.inrialpes.fr (8.11.6/8.11.3/ImagV2) id h99M7ot21514; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: imap-serv.inrialpes.fr: nobody set sender to aad@inrialpes.fr using -f Received: from 128.178.84.102 ( [128.178.84.102]) as user aad@imap-serv.inrialpes.fr by imap-serv.inrialpes.fr with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200 Message-ID: <1065737270.3f85dc36a5fd0@imap-serv.inrialpes.fr> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200 To: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" Cc: Peter Pham , manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-INRIA-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INRIA-MailScanner: McAfee uvscan 4241 RBL+ ORBS Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Quoting "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" : > Hi, Peter, > One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in > the contention) from n to n': > n' = n * \lambda * T > where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, > DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). I think it is not that easy, consider this: - a network with just one node, with \lambda=1, has a total throughput = 1 - a network with two nodes, each with \lambda=0.5, has a collision probability>0, therefore a total throughput <1 (it applies for other values of n of course) there was a paper/poster in WiOpt last year, dealing with finite load in analytical model for IEEE802.11 MAC, check it out: http://www-sop.inria.fr/mistral/personnel/K.Avrachenkov/WiOpt/PDFfiles/Alizadeh50.pdf hope this helps imad _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 19:20:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16677 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7k53-0007g3-I2 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:20:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h99NKPAE029505 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7k53-0007fo-Ci for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16666 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7k51-00065e-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:20:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7k51-00065b-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:20:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7k4j-0007eE-KA; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:20:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7k3v-0007b4-6q for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:19:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16626 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7k3t-00064T-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:19:13 -0400 Received: from [203.199.83.247] (helo=rediffmail.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7k3r-00064I-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:19:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 15047 invoked by uid 510); 9 Oct 2003 19:52:13 -0000 Date: 9 Oct 2003 19:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031009195213.15046.qmail@mailweb34.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (202.9.164.59) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 09 oct 2003 19:52:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "kani mozhi" Reply-To: "kani mozhi" To: manet@ietf.org Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_1065729133---0-203.199.83.247-15044" Subject: [manet] queries abt glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multipart mime message --Next_1065729133---0-203.199.83.247-15044 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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=0A=0A --Next_1065724457---0-203.199.83.248-12319 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi=0A=0A=0A=0Ai have got a doubt in the data transmission in Aodhoc On Dem= and Distance Vector Routing (AODV).=0Awhether the data packet will be buffe= red only by the source node or is it buffered by all the intermediate nodes= on the primary route betweeen source and destination?=0A=0A --Next_1065724457---0-203.199.83.248-12319-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 20:28:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18722 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7l8s-000394-Iw for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:28:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9A0SQud012084 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:28:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7l8s-00038p-En for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:28:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18686 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7l8q-0006oc-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:28:24 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7l8p-0006oZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:28:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7l8U-00036b-18; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:28:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7l7f-00035V-F1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:27:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18667; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7l7d-0006nJ-00; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:27:09 -0400 Received: from [129.254.16.14] (helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7l7c-0006mN-00; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:27:08 -0400 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 4B3XLMDF; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:24:11 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'Alexandru Petrescu'" Cc: , Subject: RE: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:26:41 +0900 Message-ID: <003c01c38ec5$2d0b1b70$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F843600.50804@nal.motlabs.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Alex, In your previous NEMO post, you mean that an NEMO solution using prefix delegation through DHCP is enough to support this issue or scenario. But, I think this kind of solution is useful under infrastructured condition or very short time session. If one mobile network is visiting other mobile network attached to wired Internet, prefix delegation approach has benefit that it can reduce one level tunneling between a MN in visiting node and its CN. However, let's consider what happens if no access points(routers) are available and three mobile networks(cars) are connected temporarily as following. A<-B<-C ( a <- b means a is parent of b or b visiting a) A delegates a prefix (a:b) to B. B delegates a prefix (b:c) to C. In this case, if a node with prefix a in A want to communicate a node with prefix (b:c) in C, how can it be possible without any routing protocol including MANET? Next, what happens if above topology is changed into following one while a node called 'a' in A is communicating with a node 'b' with prefix a:b in B? A<-C<-B In this case, C delegates prefix c:b for B, but it does not help since network A does not provide HA for delegated prefix (a:b) and moreover, mobile router of A can not know route information for prefix (c:b) without support of routing protocols including MANET. >From MANET proint of view, this scenario is only usual one and can be solved in very natural manner. If you points to duplicate address problem, several solutions including "weak DAD" can be helpful. I think that for mobile networks, these schemes can be applicable for resolving duplicate prefix problem. What do you think of this? Regards, HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Alexandru Petrescu > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:06 AM > To: Lawrence MacIntyre > Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Lawrence MacIntyre; Wanrong > Yu; nemo@ietf.org; manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? > > > > Lawrence MacIntyre wrote: > > The routing protocol is designed to discover and utilize > > connectivity. To communicate with a node, you must have a way to > > learn its address, but that is not part of the routing protocol. > > I agree with that. > > I agree there is no way for two manet islands completely > unknown to each other, each one having its own addressing > scheme and deployed addresses, to sort of "join" one another > and for their routing tables to get updated accordingly. > > I mean, assume a manet1 made of two nodes with addresses m11 > and m12 respectively, and another manet2 made of other two > nodes m21 and m22. When the two manets are separated, > communication is ok between m11 and m12, and between m21 and > m22. Join them by drawing a link between m11 and m21. After > the "join" phase, I don't think there is any manet > technique/protocol that would allow m22 and m11 communicate directly. > > What happens if, by lack of chance, nodes in the two manet > islands were initially assigned the same addresses (pairwise: > m11 equals m21 and m12 equals m22, but still m11 different > than m12 and m21 diff m22)? Communication inside manet1 is > ok, and inside manet2 is also ok, but not across. > > A way of looking at those two networks is to consider that > one of them has many available addresses. Distributes some > of them to its own nodes by simple DHCP, and keeps a subset > of addresses for distribution (by DHCP prefix delegation) to > the other network that "visits" it. In this way address > conflicts are avoided. The way the NEMO WG group looks at > this (if I interpret it correctly) is that the DHCP prefix > delegation can happen in this way only if infrastructure is > not available (if available then DHCP prefix delegation > happens between the home network and the moving network, not > between the moving network and the fixed access system). > > I think this way of supporting two moving networks in two > different vehicles that need to "join" (while infrastructure > is not available) is viable. > > And, because the discussion was triggered with a vehicular > background in mind, there are many potential scenarios > related the way this is deployed, and what's the business > need for it. If a manufacturer wants its cars to be able to > talk to each other such as to automatically avoid collisions > while in a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam, then it would assign > unique addresses to all its vehicles, and a same unique manet > protocol on all vehicles, then two cars of same model could > easily talk to each other w/o infrastructure present. > > If on the other hand, manufacturer has a need to remotely > update software deployed in a car, or garage remotely > measures mileage and calls driver for periodic checkup, then > this requires communication over the Internet, with the help > of fixed infrastructure, so manet protocols are not needed at > all (but Mobile IP for moving networks yes). > > Or again, if a fixed camera measures speed of bypassing > vehicles and notifies driver about crossing limits and fines > to pay, in a live manner, then again, infrastructure is > needed, Mobile IP yes, and manet no. > > IMHO choosing between manet protocols and Mobile IP-based > solution depends largely on the vehicular scenario involved; > what's your scenario Wanrong? > > Alex > GBU > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 23:28:57 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22989 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7nxC-00052M-BG for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:28:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9A3SYJh019361 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:28:34 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7nxC-00052C-4M for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:28:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22980 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7nx9-0000ed-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:28:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7nx9-0000ea-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:28:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7nwf-000514-Af; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:28:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7nw1-00050T-Fd for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:27:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22965 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7nvz-0000dp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:27:19 -0400 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7nvy-0000dU-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:27:19 -0400 Received: from jafymobile (6ants5.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.239]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 4B3XLMLK; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:24:20 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'Hang Su'" Cc: Subject: RE: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:26:45 +0900 Organization: ETRI Message-ID: <00e301c38ede$54fe1f10$ef70fe81@jafymobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031009220425.4583c456.shzju@eyou.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hang SU, If you trace tcl files in ~/tcl/lib and your simulation scenario file, you can find out that WirelessPhy class provides a instance method "setTxPower" for tcl side and WirelessPhy::Pt_consume_ is set to given value via this interface. So, you only have to make netif_(0) of node accessible outside node and call "setTxPower" method. By doing this, you can modify tx power of mobile nodes duing simulation. Cheers, HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Hang Su > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 PM > To: Amit Jardosh > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 > > > > hi Amit, > thanks for your help. > But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power > dynamically in the simulation. > > If I set the value txPower like > $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6 > then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the > duration of the simulation. > > Can you tell me more about it. > thanks again. > > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) > Amit Jardosh wrote: > > > hi Hang, > > > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as > > your propagation model, you would see that in > mobile/tworayground.cc > > .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon > the distance > > between the source and the destination node. you can play around > > with that. > > > > hth .. Amit > > > > --- Hang Su wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation > > > range in NS2 can > > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > manet mailing list > > > manet@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > ===== > > > > Amit Jardosh > > Graduate Student > > MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science > > University of California, Santa Barbara > > homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 9 23:48:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23453 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7oGP-0006JB-Rb for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:27 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9A3mPTI024250 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:48:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7oGP-0006J3-Lv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23444 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7oGN-0000o5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7oGM-0000o2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7oG2-0006Ez-4p; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:48:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7oFX-0006Ce-DB for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:47:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23438 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7oFV-0000nt-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:47:29 -0400 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7oFU-0000nY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:47:28 -0400 Received: from nppham [203.219.237.10] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:17:04 +0950 Subject: Re: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis From: "Peter Pham" To: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr CC: zye@cs.ucr.edu, manet@ietf.org, ns-users@isi.edu Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:17:04 +0950 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: nppham MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1065757624.b24fe560nppham@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=20 Thanks for the feedbacks.=20 Actually the referenced paper is very interesting.=20 Can I have another question regarding the implementation of 802.11 in ns2.= =20 >From what I notice, after failing to transmit RTS over a ShortRetryLimit, t= he MAC will drop the packet. This conforms with the 802.11 standard. Howe= ver, from the trace file, I noticed that the routing layer actually "flus= h" the buffer after the failure signal from the MAC. That is, deleting a= ll the packets in the buffer.=20 In heavy traffic, it actually deletes the whole 35 more more packets in the= queue and start the route discovery again while it should only delete on= e packet. Is this the correct behaviour ?=20 I may be wrong or missed out something here. Please correct me.. This is what I get from the tracefile=20 D 23.189438858 _0_ MAC RET 0 RTS 44 [14be 1 0 0]=20 D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 435 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1= ] [435] 0 0 D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 436 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [436] 0 0 D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 437 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [437] 0 0 D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 438 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [438] 0 0 D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 439 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [439] 0 0 D 23.189438858 _0_ MAC RET 435 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1= ] [435] 0 0 s 23.189438858 _0_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:255 -1:255 1 0] = [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) s 23.193528858 _0_ MAC --- 0 AODV 84 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [0:255 -1:= 255 1 0] [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) D 23.194201379 _1_ MAC LPR 0 AODV 84 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [0:255 -1:= 255 1 0] [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) =20 And this is every worse=20 D 43.579471779 _0_ MAC RET 0 RTS 44 [14be 1 0 0]=20 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 833 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1= ] [833] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 834 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [834] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 835 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [835] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 836 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [836] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 837 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [837] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 838 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [838] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 839 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [839] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 840 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [840] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 841 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [841] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 842 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [842] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 843 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [843] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 844 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [844] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 845 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [845] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 846 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [846] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 847 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [847] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 848 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [848] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 849 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [849] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 850 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [850] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 851 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [851] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 852 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [852] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 853 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [853] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 854 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [854] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 855 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [855] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 856 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] = [856] 0 0 D 43.579471779 _0_ MAC RET 833 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1= ] [833] 0 0 s 43.579471779 _0_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:255 -1:255 1 0] = [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) s 43.581908277 _0_ AGT --- 857 cbr 512 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:0 1:0 32 0] [8= 57] 0 0 r 43.581908277 _0_ RTR --- 857 cbr 512 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:0 1:0 32 0] [8= 57] 0 0 -----Original Message----- From: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr To: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis Quoting "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" : > Hi, Peter, > One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in > the contention) from n to n': > n' =3D n * \lambda * T > where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, > DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). I think it is not that easy, consider this: - a network with just one node, with \lambda=3D1, has a total throughput = =3D 1 - a network with two nodes, each with \lambda=3D0.5, has a collision probability>0, therefore a total throughput <1 (it applies for other values of n of course) there was a paper/poster in WiOpt last year, dealing with finite load in analytical model for IEEE802.11 MAC, check it out: http://www-sop.inria.fr/mistral/personnel/K.Avrachenkov/WiOpt/PDFfiles/Aliz= adeh50.pdf hope this helps imad Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 00:24:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA24520 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7op9-00087y-Vs for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9A4OJXJ031242 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7op9-00087p-R8 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA24499 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7op6-0001B8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7op6-0001B5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7oos-00083d-Mf; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:24:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7oo7-000833-IN for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:23:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA24401 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7oo4-0001AP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:23:12 -0400 Received: from barrichello.cs.ucr.edu ([138.23.169.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7oo4-00019j-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:23:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9459AB570E6; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hill.cs.ucr.edu (hill.cs.ucr.edu [138.23.169.9]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0569AB570E0; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hill.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix, from userid 7296) id 9AF63C4EE6C; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hill.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A4CA3A2EB; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" To: Peter Pham Cc: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr, , Subject: Re: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis In-Reply-To: <1065757624.b24fe560nppham@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-38.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE,USER_AGENT_PINE autolearn=ham version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , In AODV, it is done like what you said. If the packets in the queue belong to the current node, this node will send a RREQ without dropping these packets. For intermediate nodes, they may repair the route locally without dropping packets, if the local repair fails, RRER message will be generated and all the packets going across the broken link will be dropped. Frank On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Peter Pham wrote: > Hi all > Thanks for the feedbacks. > Actually the referenced paper is very interesting. > > Can I have another question regarding the implementation of 802.11 in ns2. > > >From what I notice, after failing to transmit RTS over a ShortRetryLimit, the MAC will drop the packet. This conforms with the 802.11 standard. However, from the trace file, I noticed that the routing layer actually "flush" the buffer after the failure signal from the MAC. That is, deleting all the packets in the buffer. > > In heavy traffic, it actually deletes the whole 35 more more packets in the queue and start the route discovery again while it should only delete one packet. Is this the correct behaviour ? > > I may be wrong or missed out something here. > Please correct me.. > > This is what I get from the tracefile > > D 23.189438858 _0_ MAC RET 0 RTS 44 [14be 1 0 0] > D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 435 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [435] 0 0 > D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 436 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [436] 0 0 > D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 437 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [437] 0 0 > D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 438 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [438] 0 0 > D 23.189438858 _0_ RTR CBK 439 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [439] 0 0 > D 23.189438858 _0_ MAC RET 435 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [435] 0 0 > s 23.189438858 _0_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) > s 23.193528858 _0_ MAC --- 0 AODV 84 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [0:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) > D 23.194201379 _1_ MAC LPR 0 AODV 84 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [0:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) > > And this is every worse > > D 43.579471779 _0_ MAC RET 0 RTS 44 [14be 1 0 0] > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 833 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [833] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 834 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [834] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 835 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [835] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 836 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [836] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 837 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [837] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 838 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [838] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 839 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [839] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 840 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [840] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 841 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [841] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 842 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [842] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 843 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [843] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 844 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [844] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 845 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [845] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 846 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [846] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 847 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [847] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 848 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [848] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 849 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [849] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 850 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [850] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 851 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [851] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 852 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [852] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 853 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [853] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 854 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [854] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 855 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [855] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ RTR CBK 856 cbr 532 [0 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [856] 0 0 > D 43.579471779 _0_ MAC RET 833 cbr 532 [13a 1 0 800] ------- [0:0 1:0 30 1] [833] 0 0 > s 43.579471779 _0_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [1 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) > s 43.581908277 _0_ AGT --- 857 cbr 512 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:0 1:0 32 0] [857] 0 0 > r 43.581908277 _0_ RTR --- 857 cbr 512 [0 0 0 0] ------- [0:0 1:0 32 0] [857] 0 0 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr > To: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200 > Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis > > > Quoting "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" : > > > Hi, Peter, > > One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in > > the contention) from n to n': > > n' = n * \lambda * T > > where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, > > DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). > > I think it is not that easy, consider this: > - a network with just one node, with \lambda=1, has a total throughput = 1 > - a network with two nodes, each with \lambda=0.5, has a collision > probability>0, therefore a total throughput <1 > > (it applies for other values of n of course) > > there was a paper/poster in WiOpt last year, dealing with finite load in > analytical model for IEEE802.11 MAC, check it out: > > http://www-sop.inria.fr/mistral/personnel/K.Avrachenkov/WiOpt/PDFfiles/Alizadeh50.pdf > > hope this helps > > imad > > > > Peter Phuc Pham > -- **************************************** Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye Ph.D Student Department of Electrical Engineering University of California, Riverside Phone: (909)-787-2434 email: zye@cs.ucr.edu **************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 03:35:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12756 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7rne-0004FO-9Y for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:35:00 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9A7Yw6V016326 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:34:58 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7rnd-0004FF-UL for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:34:57 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12738 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7rml-00047I-0j; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:34:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7rmC-00046H-QI for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:33:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12688 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7rm9-0003NR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:33:25 -0400 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7rm9-0003NB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:33:25 -0400 Received: from nppham [203.219.237.10] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:03:24 +0950 Subject: Re: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis From: "Peter Pham" To: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr CC: zye@cs.ucr.edu, manet@ietf.org Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:03:24 +0950 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: nppham MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1065771204.bbcf06c0nppham@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 ++ To: Imad I read the paper. It is very interesting, however the model in the paper ha= s some mistakes. I will point out if you are interested. ++To: Frank=20 Thanks for the explanation on AODV. I really appreciate your help. Best regards=20 Peter Pham=20 -----Original Message----- From: Imad.Aad@inrialpes.fr To: "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [manet] 802.11 throughput analysis Quoting "Zhenqiang(Frank) Ye" : > Hi, Peter, > One way to do this is changing the number of nodes (participating in > the contention) from n to n': > n' =3D n * \lambda * T > where T is the transmission time of data packet (including RTS, CTS, > DATA and ACK plus some IFSs). I think it is not that easy, consider this: - a network with just one node, with \lambda=3D1, has a total throughput = =3D 1 - a network with two nodes, each with \lambda=3D0.5, has a collision probability>0, therefore a total throughput <1 (it applies for other values of n of course) there was a paper/poster in WiOpt last year, dealing with finite load in analytical model for IEEE802.11 MAC, check it out: http://www-sop.inria.fr/mistral/personnel/K.Avrachenkov/WiOpt/PDFfiles/Aliz= adeh50.pdf hope this helps imad Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 05:40:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15392 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7tl8-0002ZB-NA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:31 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9A9eUEm009865 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7tl8-0002Z2-IW for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15381 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7tl4-0004RY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7tl4-0004RV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7tkm-0002Wp-Bt; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:40:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7tkL-0002V9-83 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:39:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15340 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7tkH-0004QK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:39:37 -0400 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.60]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7tkH-0004QH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:39:37 -0400 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:36:24 +0100 Received: from EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk (een9097.een.bris.ac.uk [137.222.189.97]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.7-20030918/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9A9aAd04572 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:36:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:36:09 +0100 From: "D Kothris, Electrical & Electronic Engineering" To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01O0lYkZ+0kcg7f57wdZy5hQR4wIzsbal3ugNvvYzoa2m+ww==; token_authority=postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, There is a point for which i would like help to clearify: Is it common practice to turn off the RTS/CTS handshake part of the 802.11b DCF MAC protocol, due to high collisions? If this is the case then why use the protocol at all-since it is also complicated to implement? Cheers Dimos _______________________________________________________________________ *********************************************************************** Dimosthenis Kothris Centre for Communications Research, University of Bristol, Network & Protocols group Address: Contact numbers: _______________________________________________________________________ Network & Protocols Center for Communcations research Merchant Venturers Building Tel : +44 117 903 1104 Woodland Road Fax : +44 117 954 5206 Bristol BS8 1UB Mobile: +44 7779 40 48 42 United Kingdom Email : d.kothris@bristol.ac.uk *********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 05:58:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15994 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7u2O-0003q1-G8 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:57:17 -0500 Received: from 64.108.201.125 (SquirrelMail authenticated user saly) by studentweb.depaul.edu with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4229.64.108.201.125.1065779831.squirrel@studentweb.depaul.edu> In-Reply-To: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> References: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS To: "D Kothris, Electrical & Electronic Engineering" Cc: manet@ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi; RTS/ CTS are two parts of 4-way handshake mechanism that is used to sense and dected the channel to send packets. i do not think you should turn t= hem off.. because they are essential part of DCF -salah > Hi all, > > There is a point for which i would like help to clearify: > > Is it common practice to turn off the RTS/CTS handshake part of the > 802.11b > DCF MAC protocol, due to high collisions? > > If this is the case then why use the protocol at all-since it is also > complicated to implement? > > Cheers > > Dimos > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > *********************************************************************** > Dimosthenis Kothris Centre for Communications Research, > University of Bristol, > Network & Protocols group > > Address: Contact numbers: > _______________________________________________________________________ > Network & Protocols > Center for Communcations research > Merchant Venturers Building Tel : +44 117 903 1104 > Woodland Road Fax : +44 117 954 5206 > Bristol BS8 1UB Mobile: +44 7779 40 48 42 > United Kingdom Email : d.kothris@bristol.ac.uk > *********************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 06:06:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16398 for ; 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Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:05:36 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9AA5aCh022281 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:05:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (hades.snrc.uow.edu.au[130.130.10.100]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.5.0) with ESMTP id 427116.22264; Friday, 10 October 2003 20:05:32 +1000 Received: from hades (IDENT:0@hades.snrc.uow.edu.au [130.130.10.100]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h9AA5VWh004954 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:05:31 +1000 Received: from neo.snrc.uow.edu.au ([130.130.10.106]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:05:31 +1000 (EST) From: Justin Lipman Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: TITR To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:05:25 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> <4229.64.108.201.125.1065779831.squirrel@studentweb.depaul.edu> In-Reply-To: <4229.64.108.201.125.1065779831.squirrel@studentweb.depaul.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310102005.25775.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> X-MessageID: 427116.22264 X-EnvelopeFrom: 427116.22264 X-EnvelopeTo: 427116.22264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > RTS/ CTS are two parts of 4-way handshake mechanism that is used to sense > and dected the channel to send packets. i do not think you should turn > them off.. because they are essential part of DCF Im not sure if its part of the spec, but I think RTS/CTS/NAV are not used for small data frames. I would be interested to know what the threshold value for this is. It makes sense for smaller data frames, but for large frames, it will obviously increase collisions. Cheerio, Justin -- PhD Candidate Telecommunications & Information Technology Research Institute School of Computer, Electrical & Telecommunications Engineering University of Wollongong, Australia http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 06:14:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16829 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uHs-0005Fy-VR for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9AAEK1S020200 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uHs-0005Fj-R4 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16807 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uHo-000595-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uHo-000592-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uHa-00057Q-R7; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uH3-000565-2X for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:13:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16739 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uGz-000569-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:13:25 -0400 Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.68.31]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uGx-000561-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:13:24 -0400 Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9AADNtR011315 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:13:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from chac.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.3]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:13:23 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9AADMTc006405 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:13:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (hades.snrc.uow.edu.au[130.130.10.100]) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.5.0) with ESMTP id 427585.6402; Friday, 10 October 2003 20:13:21 +1000 Received: from hades (IDENT:0@hades.snrc.uow.edu.au [130.130.10.100]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h9AADJWh005012 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:13:19 +1000 Received: from neo.snrc.uow.edu.au ([130.130.10.106]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:13:19 +1000 (EST) From: Justin Lipman Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: TITR To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:13:14 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310102013.14337.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> X-MessageID: 427585.6402 X-EnvelopeFrom: 427585.6402 X-EnvelopeTo: 427585.6402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:36 pm, D Kothris, Electrical & Electronic Engineering wrote: > There is a point for which i would like help to clearify: > > Is it common practice to turn off the RTS/CTS handshake part of the 802.11b > DCF MAC protocol, due to high collisions? > > If this is the case then why use the protocol at all-since it is also > complicated to implement? I think the whole point of the RTS/CTS/NAV is to alleviate problems during situations with high contention and to reduce problems associated with hidden nodes etc... Therefore, I doubt its common practice. As in my previous email. RTS/CTS is not used for smaller data frames as far as I understand. But what the byte threshold is, I do not know. Perhaps someone on the list can provide more insight... regards, Justin -- PhD Candidate Telecommunications & Information Technology Research Institute School of Computer, Electrical & Telecommunications Engineering University of Wollongong, Australia http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 06:15:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16932 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uIh-0005h5-Ja for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9AAFBR9021886 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uIg-0005bb-2x for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16858 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uIZ-0005Bh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uIY-0005Bd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uIZ-0005Uq-OA; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7uHm-0005Cq-Nl for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16799 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uHi-00058j-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:10 -0400 Received: from [192.106.127.17] (helo=AgeQuodAgis) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7uHh-00056o-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:14:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 22772 invoked by uid 89); 10 Oct 2003 10:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BACKPC) (luca.signorin@boraso.com@192.106.127.62) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 10:10:55 -0000 Message-ID: <010401c38f17$ddcdfcf0$aa01a8c0@BACKPC> From: "Luca S." To: Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:18:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0101_01C38F28.A1460410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C38F28.A1460410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You don't have to turn off RTS/CTS mechanism... You can set RTS = threshold more high... Do you know how RTS threshold works? If pkt_length < RTS threshold works=20 then send pkt without RTS/CTS mechanism else use Four way handshake It's all right? Ciao, Luca... ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C38F28.A1460410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You don't have to turn off RTS/CTS = mechanism... You can set RTS threshold more high...
Do you know how RTS threshold = works?
 
If pkt_length < RTS threshold works=20
    then send pkt = without RTS/CTS=20 mechanism
    else use Four way=20 handshake
 
It's all right?
 
Ciao,
Luca...
------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C38F28.A1460410-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 07:03:10 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19398 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v2o-0000vX-As for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:02:50 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9AB2oIY003557 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:02:50 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v2o-0000vI-7h for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:02:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19383 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v21-0000nC-I5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:02:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v1H-0000k0-HR for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:01:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19307 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7v1C-0007Ql-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:01:10 -0400 Received: from smtp1.voila.fr ([193.252.22.174] helo=mwinf4002.voila.fr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7v1C-0007PK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:01:10 -0400 Received: from wwinf4002 (wwinf4002 [172.22.157.29]) by mwinf4002.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A29D51800060 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <14232845.1065783639655.JavaMail.www@wwinf4002> From: "samir.chihi" Reply-To: samir.chihi@voila.fr To: manet@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Beacon frame Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Please, I want to know if i can insert management information in the beacon frame body ? Best regards. ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 07:08:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19718 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v81-0001ps-8M for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9AB8Dqf007032 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v80-0001oi-Et for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19649 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7v7v-0007ka-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:07 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7v7v-0007kX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v7t-0001fg-Ey; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:08:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7v7F-0001S0-U2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:07:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19621 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7v7B-0007i3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:07:21 -0400 Received: from tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.102]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7v7A-0007hs-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:07:20 -0400 Received: from vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.110]) by tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AB7IUC006307 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AB7Hpo004589 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.69]) by nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AB7H8H006199 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from imj.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.3p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA09799 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from [129.60.13.180] by imj.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.3p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA24683 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:08:18 +0900 From: Takaaki MORIYA To: manet@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031010200752.7A56.MORIYA.TAKAAKI@lab.ntt.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.07.02 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Valid Destination Sequence Number flag in RFC3561 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone; I have two questions about RFC 3561. I think that the statements about valid sequence number flag are somewhat confusing. Question 1: I cannot understand how valid sequence number flag works. In section 6.5, > When a node receives a RREQ, it first creates or updates a route to > the previous hop without a valid sequence number (see section 6.2) This sentence means "When a node receives a RREQ, creates or updates a route to the previous hop and the valid sequence number flag of the route is marked as invalid." ? Even if the flag is set as invalid, the node re-sets the flag as valid when it receives HELLO pakcet from the previous hop. So the flag often changes in some cases. The other areas in the RFC document do not clearly refer to valid sequence number flag. Does this flag show which message(HELLO packet from the previous node or RREQ from the other node) initiates the node to create the route? ("false" means that the route is created by RREQ and "valid" means that the route is created by HELLO) For what purpose does route table entry need a flag of sequence number ? Question 2: Please let me confirm which status(true or false) is set to the valid sequence number flag in the following two cases. First, section 6.11 about route error says, > 1. The destination sequence number of this routing entry, if it > exists and is valid, is incremented for cases (i) and (ii) above, > and copied from the incoming RERR in case (iii) above. > 2. The entry is invalidated by marking the route entry as invalid > 3. The Lifetime field is updated to current time plus DELETE_PERIOD. > Before this time, the entry SHOULD NOT be deleted. This paragraph does not refer to valid sequence number flag, but it seems valid sequence number flag remains true. Is it right? And second, Section 6.3 about route request says: > Destination Sequence Number field in the RREQ message is the last > known destination sequence number for this destination and is copied > from the Destination Sequence Number field in the routing table. If > no sequence number is known, the unknown sequence number flag MUST be > set. In case of invalid sequence number in the node's existing entry, the unknown sequence number flag is set? Thanks in advance. -- Takaaki MORIYA _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 09:51:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28048 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xfw-00040i-GS for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9ADpOJB015412 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xfw-00040V-DE for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28029 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xfu-0003hS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xfu-0003hP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xfZ-0003z4-Ns; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xen-0003yM-7y for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27992 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xel-0003gM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:11 -0400 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.60]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xek-0003gI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:10 -0400 Received: from ncsb.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:48:52 +0100 Received: from EEN9066.een.bris.ac.uk (een9066.een.bris.ac.uk [137.222.189.66]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ncsb.bris.ac.uk (8.11.7-20030918/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9ADllZ13922 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:47:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:47:47 +0100 From: "D Kaleshi, Electrical & Electronic Engineering" To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS Message-ID: <27847382.1065797267@EEN9066.een.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> References: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01ATPFOmaYKaUMpz+RNGdgLqctpPijQHc=; token_authority=postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dimos, > Is it common practice to turn off the RTS/CTS handshake part of the > 802.11b DCF MAC protocol, due to high collisions? I understand that this is the normal practice, especially in non-enterprise networks - makes life easier in terms of deployment - but I would like very muhc to hear if it is otherwise. One argument is that activating RTS/CTS at an access point does not make much sense as every node around it is covered (which is not always true - tertiary collisions are still possible). Practical advice is to play around with the values of RTS/CTS threshold (value range in 0-2347 bytes, with default being 2347) ONLY if it is an issue (after traffic measurements indicate a high level of collisions due to packet sizes); the recommendation is to set it to circa 1500bytes and see if the throughput in the network throughput improves. According to the 802.11 spec the value (in the 802.11 MAC MIB) is controlled by the dot11RTSThreshold attribute, and it can be set on a per-node basis. But even if a node has RTS disabled, it still has to react to received RTS/CTS sequences by updating its NAV, and it must always respond to an RTS packet addressed to it even if RTS is disabled. I believe the default value for dot11RTSThreshold in the IEEE 802.11 spec is 2347 bytes (i.e. by default the RTS/CTS is disabled, as per spec). > If this is the case then why use the protocol at all-since it is also > complicated to implement? To solve the hidden terminal problem (tertiary collisions). And possible better performance for TCP traffic over RTS-enabled networks (there has been research work reported on this). This is probably the main reason why you would find it more likely to be enabled in enterprise networks. cheers, Dritan > > Dimos -------------------------------------------------------- Dritan Kaleshi Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering University of Bristol, UK -------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 09:53:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28154 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xhg-0004T5-3s for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9ADrCQG017169 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xhf-0004Sq-Qm for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28115 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xhd-0003ji-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xhd-0003jf-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xhW-0004Is-GP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7xgm-0004Ca-Jt for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28073 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xgk-0003iS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:14 -0400 Received: from wexford-2.cmcl.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.198.115]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A7xgk-0003iP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:52:14 -0400 Received: from wexford-2.cmcl.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by wexford-2.cmcl.cs.cmu.edu id aa07184; 10 Oct 2003 9:51 EDT From: Dave Maltz To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au, dmaltz@cs.cmu.edu cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS References: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> <4229.64.108.201.125.1065779831.squirrel@studentweb.depaul.edu> <200310102005.25775.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:42 -0400 Message-Id: Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , In message <200310102005.25775.justin@titr.uow.edu.au>, Justin Lipman writes: >Hi, > >> RTS/ CTS are two parts of 4-way handshake mechanism that is used to sense >> and dected the channel to send packets. i do not think you should turn >> them off.. because they are essential part of DCF > >Im not sure if its part of the spec, but I think RTS/CTS/NAV are not used for >small data frames. I would be interested to know what the threshold value for >this is. It makes sense for smaller data frames, but for large frames, it >will obviously increase collisions. I was amused to learn that RTS/CTS is completely disabled by default in many popular 802.11b drivers under windows. For example, if you dig down through the configuration layers of the Orinoco driver, you will find the following radio check box: RTS/CTS Medium Reservation [X] Off (default) [ ] On (use when troubleshooting poor performance) According to the help pages, "off" means completely off: never send RTS pkts. Considering the prevalence of 802.11b machines running windows, I've often wondered whether we should all just turn off RTS/CTS exchange in our simulations in order to make their results more applicable to the real world. Cheers, -dam _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 13:23:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08462 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A80z2-0003N4-T1 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:22 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9AHNKkY012954 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A80z2-0003Mr-Pw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08443 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A80z0-0006YF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A80z0-0006YB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A80yk-0003LY-Aa; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A80yM-0003L6-Ha for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:22:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08429 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A80yK-0006Xl-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:22:36 -0400 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A80yJ-0006Xc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:22:35 -0400 Received: from kenai.cs.ucsb.edu (csil [128.111.41.12]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9AHMM202614; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Chakeres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16262.60081.169910.533191@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:21:53 -0700 To: Takaaki MORIYA Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE:[manet] Valid Destination Sequence Number flag in RFC3561 In-Reply-To: <20031010200752.7A56.MORIYA.TAKAAKI@lab.ntt.co.jp> References: <20031010200752.7A56.MORIYA.TAKAAKI@lab.ntt.co.jp> X-Mailer: VM 7.15 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: idc@cs.ucsb.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comments in-line. >Takaaki MORIYA wrote: >Hello everyone; > > >I have two questions about RFC 3561. I think that the statements about >valid sequence number flag are somewhat confusing. > > >Question 1: >I cannot understand how valid sequence number flag works. >In section 6.5, > >> When a node receives a RREQ, it first creates or updates a route to >> the previous hop without a valid sequence number (see section 6.2) > >This sentence means "When a node receives a RREQ, creates or updates a >route to the previous hop and the valid sequence number flag of the >route is marked as invalid." ? Even if the flag is set as invalid, the >node re-sets the flag as valid when it receives HELLO pakcet from the >previous hop. So the flag often changes in some cases. > >The other areas in the RFC document do not clearly refer to >valid sequence number flag. Does this flag show which message(HELLO >packet from the previous node or RREQ from the other node) initiates the >node to create the route? ("false" means that the route is created by >RREQ and "valid" means that the route is created by HELLO) > >For what purpose does route table entry need a flag of sequence number ? > (1) The purpose of the valid sequence number flag in routing table entries (and RREQ) is to indicate whether the sequence number is known or not. This is important when updating route table entries and creating RREQ. For example, if the sequence number for a particular destination is not known and you need to generate a RREQ. The node needs must set the unknown sequence number bit in the RREQ. Otherwise the value of the sequence number field could screw up the sequence number (and routing table) at other nodes that receive the RREQ, because of the way sequence numbers are compared. > >Question 2: >Please let me confirm which status(true or false) is set to the valid >sequence number flag in the following two cases. > >First, section 6.11 about route error says, > >> 1. The destination sequence number of this routing entry, if it >> exists and is valid, is incremented for cases (i) and (ii) above, >> and copied from the incoming RERR in case (iii) above. >> 2. The entry is invalidated by marking the route entry as invalid >> 3. The Lifetime field is updated to current time plus DELETE_PERIOD. >> Before this time, the entry SHOULD NOT be deleted. > >This paragraph does not refer to valid sequence number flag, but it >seems valid sequence number flag remains true. Is it right? > The valid sequence number flag does not change state. > >And second, Section 6.3 about route request says: > >> Destination Sequence Number field in the RREQ message is the last >> known destination sequence number for this destination and is copied >> from the Destination Sequence Number field in the routing table. If >> no sequence number is known, the unknown sequence number flag MUST be >> set. > >In case of invalid sequence number in the node's existing entry, the >unknown sequence number flag is set? > Yes. See above comment (1). > > >Thanks in advance. >-- >Takaaki MORIYA > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 13:43:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09319 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A81IP-0004nL-0w for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9AHhKpw018428 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A81IO-0004n9-R8 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09307 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A81IM-0006oV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A81IM-0006oS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A81I6-0004g9-77; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A81HN-0004YM-Hb for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09285 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A81HL-0006nR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:15 -0400 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A81HK-0006nO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:14 -0400 Received: from dot.cs.ucsb.edu (dot [128.111.43.31]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9AHg7204732; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dot.cs.ucsb.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dot.cs.ucsb.edu (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9AHg9dD020985; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (vrishali@localhost) by dot.cs.ucsb.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9AHg2pk020980; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dot.cs.ucsb.edu: vrishali owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Vrishali P. Wagle" X-X-Sender: vrishali@dot To: Sota Yoshida cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] About difference between AODV and DSR In-Reply-To: <20031010192752.6d9fd0cf.syoshida@net.ie.niigata-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi I assume you are using the new implementation of AODV available at http://moment.cs.ucsb.edu/aodv/aodv.html which is version 13 compliant. The old implementation of AODV and the DSR code have a subtle bug which was corrected in the new version of AODV. Specifically what happens is that if a route to a node is not available, packets destined for that node are buffered. This buffer should be freed **when a route to the node becomes available**. Some routes are entered in the route table because of RREQs received from those nodes, so the buffer should be freed even on receipt of RREQs. The old implementation of AODV and the DSR implementation free the buffer on receipt of RREPs only. So if route was entered in the route table because of RREQs received from a node you have already sent a RREQ for, and the corresponding RREP when it arrives, arrives on a path of equal or greater hopcount and same sequence number, it gets ignored and consequently the buffer never gets freed and the buffered packets never reach their destination. I think this should explain the low packet delivery ratio that you are getting for DSR. Try freeing the buffer whenever a new route becomes available in DSR and see if it solves the problem. Vrishali On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Sota Yoshida wrote: > Hi Manet. > I am new to GloMoSim. > I have a question about "difference between AODV and DSR" > My simulation scenario are as bellows. > > Config.in: > > SIMULATION-TIME 1200S > > SEED 1 > > TERRAIN-DIMENSIONS (1500, 300) > > NUMBER-OF-NODES 50 > > NODE-PLACEMENT RANDOM > > > MOBILITY RANDOM-WAYPOINT > MOBILITY-WP-PAUSE 0S > MOBILITY-WP-MIN-SPEED 0 > MOBILITY-WP-MAX-SPEED 20 > > MOBILITY-POSITION-GRANULARITY 0.5 > > PROPAGATION-LIMIT -111.0 > > PROPAGATION-PATHLOSS TWO-RAY > > NOISE-FIGURE 10.0 > > TEMPARATURE 290.0 > > RADIO-TYPE RADIO-ACCNOISE > > RADIO-FREQUENCY 2.4e9 > > RADIO-BANDWIDTH 11000000 > > RADIO-RX-TYPE SNR-BOUNDED > RADIO-RX-SNR-THRESHOLD 10.0 > > RADIO-TX-POWER 7.87395 > > RADIO-ANTENNA-GAIN 0.0 > > RADIO-RX-SENSITIVITY -91.0 > > RADIO-RX-THRESHOLD -81.0 > > MAC-PROTOCOL 802.11 > > NETWORK-PROTOCOL IP > NETWORK-OUTPUT-QUEUE-SIZE-PER-PRIORITY 100 > > #ROUTING-PROTOCOL AODV > > ROUTING-PROTOCOL DSR > #ROUTING-PROTOCOL OLSR > #ROUTING-PROTOCOL TBRPF > > APP-CONFIG-FILE ./app.conf > > APPLICATION-STATISTICS YES > TCP-STATISTICS YES > UDP-STATISTICS YES > ROUTING-STATISTICS YES > NETWORK-LAYER-STATISTICS YES > MAC-LAYER-STATISTICS YES > RADIO-LAYER-STATISTICS YES > CHANNEL-LAYER-STATISTICS YES > MOBILITY-STATISTICS YES > > > GUI-OPTION NO > GUI-RADIO NO > GUI-ROUTING NO > > > app.conf: > > CBR 28 25 0 80 0.020000S 3.071873S 25.036951S > CBR 28 17 0 80 0.020000S 41.824254S 226.618457S > CBR 28 27 0 80 0.020000S 270.816335S 451.788076S > CBR 28 23 0 80 0.020000S 455.033018S 835.924075S > CBR 28 12 0 80 0.020000S 857.034140S 1000.000000S > > > When I run this simulation with DSR ,paket delivery fraction = about 60%. > On the other hand, with AODV,paket delivery fraction = about 99%. > Why this two results are much different !? > > How about in NS? > Similar result? > > Maybe my understanding is not enough. > Please tell me ! > > regards > syoshida. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > -- Vrishali Wagle Graduate Student Department of Computer Science University of California, Santa Barbara. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 10 22:40:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05199 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A89g8-0006N2-Nw for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9B2eOkL024484 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A89g8-0006Mp-Jq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05186 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A89g5-0006iB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:21 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A89g4-0006i8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:20 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A89fn-0006KO-MB; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:40:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A89f7-0006JB-Op for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:39:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05176 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A89f4-0006ho-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:39:18 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A89f2-0006hf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:39:17 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:41:57 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@10.13.72.28) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:41:57 +0800 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:36:11 +0800 From: Hang Su To: Cc: manet@ietf.org, shzju@eyou.com Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 Message-Id: <20031011103611.76aa9faa.shzju@eyou.com> In-Reply-To: <265756601.11993@eyou.com> References: <20031009220425.4583c456.shzju@eyou.com> <265756601.11993@eyou.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi HyunWook Cha, Thanks for your helping. I really know a lot that I have not learned before. But I encounter a new problem now. The problem is how i can make netif_(0) accessible I have found the code in ~tcl/lib/ns-mobilenode.tcl Node/MobileNode instproc setPt { val } { $self instvar netif_ $netif_(0) setTxPower $val } and I want to modify the code in ~ns/mac/mac-802_11.cc to adjust the transmit power void Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h) { double rTime; struct hdr_mac802_11* dh = HDR_MAC802_11(p); /* * drop the packet if the node is in sleep mode XXX sleep mode can't stop node from sending packets */ //------------- adjust the transmit power-------------- Tcl& tcl = Tcl::instance(); tcl.eval("$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6"); //--------------------------------------------------------- ... } But when i run the simulation, the error occurs. The error message is listed below, ns: $netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6: can't read "netif_(0)": no such variable while executing "$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6" Would you please help me out of the problem. Thanks in advance On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:26:45 +0900 "HyunWook Cha" wrote: > Hi Hang SU, > > If you trace tcl files in ~/tcl/lib and your simulation scenario file, > you can find out that WirelessPhy class provides a instance method > "setTxPower" for tcl side and WirelessPhy::Pt_consume_ is set to given > value via this interface. > So, you only have to make netif_(0) of node accessible outside node and > call "setTxPower" method. > By doing this, you can modify tx power of mobile nodes duing simulation. > > Cheers, > HyunWook Cha > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Hang Su > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 PM > > To: Amit Jardosh > > Cc: manet@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 > > > > > > > > hi Amit, > > thanks for your help. > > But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power > > dynamically in the simulation. > > > > If I set the value txPower like > > $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6 > > then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the > > duration of the simulation. > > > > Can you tell me more about it. > > thanks again. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Amit Jardosh wrote: > > > > > hi Hang, > > > > > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as > > > your propagation model, you would see that in > > mobile/tworayground.cc > > > .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon > > the distance > > > between the source and the destination node. you can play around > > > with that. > > > > > > hth .. Amit > > > > > > --- Hang Su wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation > > > > range in NS2 can > > > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > manet mailing list > > > > manet@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > Amit Jardosh > > > Graduate Student > > > MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science > > > University of California, Santa Barbara > > > homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! 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In NS-2, there is a .tr file which will have information about the position of a node at different time instants, the route to a destination, the intermediate nodes in a route (for the case of AODV), etc. I want to get something similar to that in GloMoSim. Basically, all i need are the following: (1) Position of a node at any instant during the simulation (2) The origin time of a route, endtime of a route and the actual intermediate nodes in a route (3) The time, the application layer is sending the packet to the network layer and the time the application layer at the destination gets the packet from its network layer (4) The link-to-link delay in a route 5 The timing with regard to link failures I saw the output in glomo.stat and it doesn't contain all the above information Regards Ruchir Hang Su wrote: Hi HyunWook Cha, Thanks for your helping. I really know a lot that I have not learned before. But I encounter a new problem now. The problem is how i can make netif_(0) accessible I have found the code in ~tcl/lib/ns-mobilenode.tcl Node/MobileNode instproc setPt { val } { $self instvar netif_ $netif_(0) setTxPower $val } and I want to modify the code in ~ns/mac/mac-802_11.cc to adjust the transmit power void Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h) { double rTime; struct hdr_mac802_11* dh = HDR_MAC802_11(p); /* * drop the packet if the node is in sleep mode XXX sleep mode can't stop node from sending packets */ //------------- adjust the transmit power-------------- Tcl& tcl = Tcl::instance(); tcl.eval("$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6"); //--------------------------------------------------------- ... } But when i run the simulation, the error occurs. The error message is listed below, ns: $netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6: can't read "netif_(0)": no such variable while executing "$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6" Would you please help me out of the problem. Thanks in advance On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:26:45 +0900 "HyunWook Cha" wrote: > Hi Hang SU, > > If you trace tcl files in ~/tcl/lib and your simulation scenario file, > you can find out that WirelessPhy class provides a instance method > "setTxPower" for tcl side and WirelessPhy::Pt_consume_ is set to given > value via this interface. > So, you only have to make netif_(0) of node accessible outside node and > call "setTxPower" method. > By doing this, you can modify tx power of mobile nodes duing simulation. > > Cheers, > HyunWook Cha > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Hang Su > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 PM > > To: Amit Jardosh > > Cc: manet@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 > > > > > > > > hi Amit, > > thanks for your help. > > But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power > > dynamically in the simulation. > > > > If I set the value txPower like > > $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6 > > then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the > > duration of the simulation. > > > > Can you tell me more about it. > > thanks again. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Amit Jardosh wrote: > > > > > hi Hang, > > > > > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as > > > your propagation model, you would see that in > > mobile/tworayground.cc > > > .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon > > the distance > > > between the source and the destination node. you can play around > > > with that. > > > > > > hth .. Amit > > > > > > --- Hang Su wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation > > > > range in NS2 can > > > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > manet mailing list > > > > manet@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > Amit Jardosh > > > Graduate Student > > > MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science > > > University of California, Santa Barbara > > > homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! 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Hi,
Wanted to know if for  AODV and DSR protocols in GloMoSim one can  analyze the routing trace as we get in NS-2. In NS-2, there is a .tr file which will have information about the position of a node at different time instants, the route to a destination, the intermediate nodes in a route (for the case of AODV), etc. I want to get something similar to that in GloMoSim. Basically, all i need are the following:
(1) Position of a node at any instant during the simulation
(2) The origin time of a route, endtime of a route and the actual intermediate nodes in a route
(3) The time, the application layer is sending the packet to the network layer and the time the application layer at the destination gets the packet from its network layer
(4) The link-to-link delay in a route
5  The timing with regard to link failures
I saw the output in glomo.stat and it doesn't contain all the above information
Regards
Ruchir



Hang Su <shzju@eyou.com> wrote:
Hi HyunWook Cha,

Thanks for your helping. I really know a lot that I have not learned before.
But I encounter a new problem now.
The problem is how i can make netif_(0) accessible
I have found the code in ~tcl/lib/ns-mobilenode.tcl

Node/MobileNode instproc setPt { val } {
$self instvar netif_
$netif_(0) setTxPower $val
}

and I want to modify the code in ~ns/mac/mac-802_11.cc to adjust the transmit power

void
Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h)
{
double rTime;
struct hdr_mac802_11* dh = HDR_MAC802_11(p);

/*
* drop the packet if the node is in sleep mode
XXX sleep mode can't stop node from sending packets
*/

//------------- adjust the transmit power--------------
Tcl& tcl = Tcl::instance();
tcl.eval("$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6");
//---------------------------------------------------------

...
}

But when i run the simulation, the error occurs. The error message is listed below,

ns: $netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6: can't read "netif_(0)": no such variable
while executing
"$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6"

Would you please help me out of the problem.

Thanks in advance






On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:26:45 +0900
"HyunWook Cha" wrote:

> Hi Hang SU,
>
> If you trace tcl files in ~/tcl/lib and your simulation scenario file,
> you can find out that WirelessPhy class provides a instance method
> "setTxPower" for tcl side and WirelessPhy::Pt_consume_ is set to given
> value via this interface.
> So, you only have to make netif_(0) of node accessible outside node and
> call "setTxPower" method.
> By doing this, you can modify tx power of mobile nodes duing simulation.
&g! t;
> Cheers,
> HyunWook Cha
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf Of Hang Su
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 PM
> > To: Amit Jardosh
> > Cc: manet@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2
> >
> >
> >
> > hi Amit,
> > thanks for your help.
> > But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power
> > dynamically in the simulation.
> >
> > If I set the value txPower like
> > $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6
> > then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the
> > duration of the simulation.
> >
> > Can you tell me more about it.
> > thanks again.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
>! ; > Amit Jardosh wrote:
> >
> > > hi Hang,
> > >
> > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as
> > > your propagation model, you would see that in
> > mobile/tworayground.cc
> > > .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon
> > the distance
> > > between the source and the destination node. you can play around
> > > with that.
> > >
> > > hth .. Amit
> > >
> > > --- Hang Su wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation
> > > > range in NS2 can
> > > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > &! gt; > manet mailing list
> > > > manet@ietf.org
> > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > >
> > > Amit Jardosh
> > > Graduate Student
> > > MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science
> > > University of California, Santa Barbara
> > > homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> > > http://shopping.yahoo.com
> >
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> > manet@ietf.org
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> >
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Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-1244320246-1065848706=:17966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ruchir sinha wrote:Hi, Wanted to know if for AODV and DSR protocols in GloMoSim one can analyze the routing trace as we get in NS-2. In NS-2, there is a .tr file which will have information about the position of a node at different time instants, the route to a destination, the intermediate nodes in a route (for the case of AODV), etc. I want to get something similar to that in GloMoSim. Basically, all i need are the following: (1) Position of a node at any instant during the simulation (2) The origin time of a route, endtime of a route and the actual intermediate nodes in a route (3) The time, the application layer is sending the packet to the network layer and the time the application layer at the destination gets the packet from its network layer (4) The link-to-link delay in a route 5 The timing with regard to link failures I saw the output in glomo.stat and it doesn't contain all the above information Regards Ruchir Hang Su wrote: Hi HyunWook Cha, Thanks for your helping. I really know a lot that I have not learned before. But I encounter a new problem now. The problem is how i can make netif_(0) accessible I have found the code in ~tcl/lib/ns-mobilenode.tcl Node/MobileNode instproc setPt { val } { $self instvar netif_ $netif_(0) setTxPower $val } and I want to modify the code in ~ns/mac/mac-802_11.cc to adjust the transmit power void Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h) { double rTime; struct hdr_mac802_11* dh = HDR_MAC802_11(p); /* * drop the packet if the node is in sleep mode XXX sleep mode can't stop node from sending packets */ //------------- adjust the transmit power-------------- Tcl& tcl = Tcl::instance(); tcl.eval("$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6"); //--------------------------------------------------------- ... } But when i run the simulation, the error occurs. The error message is listed below, ns: $netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6: can't read "netif_(0)": no such variable while executing "$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6" Would you please help me out of the problem. Thanks in advance On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:26:45 +0900 "HyunWook Cha" wrote: > Hi Hang SU, > > If you trace tcl files in ~/tcl/lib and your simulation scenario file, > you can find out that WirelessPhy class provides a instance method > "setTxPower" for tcl side and WirelessPhy::Pt_consume_ is set to given > value via this interface. > So, you only have to make netif_(0) of node accessible outside node and > call "setTxPower" method. > By doing this, you can modify tx power of mobile nodes duing simulation. &g! t; > Cheers, > HyunWook Cha > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Hang Su > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 PM > > To: Amit Jardosh > > Cc: manet@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 > > > > > > > > hi Amit, > > thanks for your help. > > But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power > > dynamically in the simulation. > > > > If I set the value txPower like > > $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6 > > then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the > > duration of the simulation. > > > > Can you tell me more about it. > > thanks again. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) >! ; > Amit Jardosh wrote: > > > > > hi Hang, > > > > > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as > > > your propagation model, you would see that in > > mobile/tworayground.cc > > > .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon > > the distance > > > between the source and the destination node. you can play around > > > with that. > > > > > > hth .. Amit > > > > > > --- Hang Su wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation > > > > range in NS2 can > > > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > &! gt; > manet mailing list > > > > manet@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > Amit Jardosh > > > Graduate Student > > > MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science > > > University of California, Santa Barbara > > > homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! 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ruchir sinha <ruchsucker@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
Wanted to know if for  AODV and DSR protocols in GloMoSim one can  analyze the routing trace as we get in NS-2. In NS-2, there is a .tr file which will have information about the position of a node at different time instants, the route to a destination, the intermediate nodes in a route (for the case of AODV), etc. I want to get something similar to that in GloMoSim. Basically, all i need are the following:
(1) Position of a node at any instant during the simulation
(2) The origin time of a route, endtime of a route and the actual intermediate nodes in a route
(3) The time, the application layer is sending the packet to the network layer and the time the application layer at the destination gets the packet from its network layer
(4) The link-to-link delay in a route
5  The timing with regard to link failures
I saw the output in glomo.stat and it doesn't contain all the above information
Regards
Ruchir



Hang Su <shzju@eyou.com> wrote:
Hi HyunWook Cha,

Thanks for your helping. I really know a lot that I have not learned before.
But I encounter a new problem now.
The problem is how i can make netif_(0) accessible
I have found the code in ~tcl/lib/ns-mobilenode.tcl

Node/MobileNode instproc setPt { val } {
$self instvar netif_
$netif_(0) setTxPower $val
}

and I want to modify the code in ~ns/mac/mac-802_11.cc to adjust the transmit power

void
Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h)
{
double rTime;
struct hdr_mac802_11* dh = HDR_MAC802_11(p);

/*
* drop the packet if the node is in sleep mode
XXX sleep mode can't stop node from sending packets
*/

//------------- adjust the transmit power--------------
Tcl& tcl = Tcl::instance();
tcl.eval("$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6");
//---------------------------------------------------------

...
}

But when i run the simulation, the error occurs. The error message is listed below,

ns: $netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6: can't read "netif_(0)": no such variable
while executing
"$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6"

Would you please help me out of the problem.

Thanks in advance






On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:26:45 +0900
"HyunWook Cha" wrote:

> Hi Hang SU,
>
> If you trace tcl files in ~/tcl/lib and your simulation scenario file,
> you can find out that WirelessPhy class provides a instance method
> "setTxPower" for tcl side and WirelessPhy::Pt_consume_ is set to given
> value via this interface.
> So, you only have to make netif_(0) of node accessible outside node and
> call "setTxPower" method.
> By doing this, you can modify tx power of mobile nodes duing simulation.
&a! mp;g! t;
> Cheers,
> HyunWook Cha
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf Of Hang Su
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 PM
> > To: Amit Jardosh
> > Cc: manet@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2
> >
> >
> >
> > hi Amit,
> > thanks for your help.
> > But my problem is how I can adjust the tansmit power
> > dynamically in the simulation.
> >
> > If I set the value txPower like
> > $ns_ node-config -txPower 0.6
> > then the tranmit power of all nodes would not change in the
> > duration of the simulation.
> >
> > Can you tell me more about it.
> > thanks again.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
>! ;! ; > Amit Jardosh wrote:
> >
> > > hi Hang,
> > >
> > > assuming that you are using the tworay ground model as
> > > your propagation model, you would see that in
> > mobile/tworayground.cc
> > > .. there is a Pr value that is calculated depending upon
> > the distance
> > > between the source and the destination node. you can play around
> > > with that.
> > >
> > > hth .. Amit
> > >
> > > --- Hang Su wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Can anyone suggest me how the radio propagation
> > > > range in NS2 can
> > > > be varied/changed on a per packet basis
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
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<20031012083128.2387d012.shzju@eyou.com> In-Reply-To: <265880949.31447@eyou.com> References: <20031009220425.4583c456.shzju@eyou.com> <265756601.11993@eyou.com> <20031011103611.76aa9faa.shzju@eyou.com> <265880949.31447@eyou.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi HyunWook, I have settled the problem. I add the following code tcl.evalf("Phy/WirelessPhy set Pt_ %f",tx_Power); It does work. Thanks for your helping very very very much. On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:58:43 +0900 "HyunWook Cha" wrote: > Hi Hang, > You want to modify tx power dynamically inside Mac802_11::send. > You can do this through little modificiation of tcl or c++ codes. > First solution is to call Node/MobileNode::setPt inside Mac802_11::send() as you mentioned in your reply. > To do this, you should access Node/MobileNode instance variable in tcl space. > Since I found that tcl variable for this mac 802.11 has no reference for its owner (node), > I suggest that you add a member field called "node_id" to mac or 802_11 class and add some routine for set this value to address of node in mac::commend. Then, you can set mac::node_id field from tcl space by calling newly defined method of mac after making an instance of mac. > At last, you can call to adjust tx power as following. > tcl.eval("[[[Simulator instance] get-node-by-addr %d] set netif_(0)] setTxPower %f", node_id, new_TxPower_value); > > Second solution does not require tcl procedure. > Since netif_::Mac(you should change" Phy *" to "WirelessPhy *") exists in class Mac, the only thing you have to do is make an public interface for modifying targeted field in class WirelessPhy. > And call it. That's all. > I hope my suggestions can be helpful. If you have any other problem, let me know. > Again, Cheers. > > HyunWook Cha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hang Su" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [manet] radio propagation range in NS2 > > > > > > Hi HyunWook Cha, > > > > Thanks for your helping. I really know a lot that I have not learned before. > > But I encounter a new problem now. > > The problem is how i can make netif_(0) accessible > > I have found the code in ~tcl/lib/ns-mobilenode.tcl > > > > Node/MobileNode instproc setPt { val } { > > $self instvar netif_ > > $netif_(0) setTxPower $val > > } > > > > and I want to modify the code in ~ns/mac/mac-802_11.cc to adjust the transmit power > > > > void > > Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h) > > { > > double rTime; > > struct hdr_mac802_11* dh = HDR_MAC802_11(p); > > > > /* > > * drop the packet if the node is in sleep mode > > XXX sleep mode can't stop node from sending packets > > */ > > > > //------------- adjust the transmit power-------------- > > Tcl& tcl = Tcl::instance(); > > tcl.eval("$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6"); > > //--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ... > > } > > > > But when i run the simulation, the error occurs. The error message is listed below, > > > > ns: $netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6: can't read "netif_(0)": no such variable > > while executing > > "$netif_(0) setTxPower 0.6" > > > > Would you please help me out of the problem. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Oct 11 23:34:04 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22737 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8Wz2-0002aX-9M for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:44 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9C3XSDM009946 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:28 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8Wz2-0002aL-5d for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22713 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8Wz0-0002xr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8Wyz-0002xo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:25 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8Wyb-0002Z9-Cd; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:33:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8WyM-0002Ym-Cj for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:32:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22692 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8WyK-0002xP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:32:44 -0400 Received: from evaki.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.68.32]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8WyJ-0002xK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:32:43 -0400 Received: from evaki (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by evaki.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9C3WTRB029928; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:32:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by evaki.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:32:28 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9C3WRi2009203; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:32:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (hades.snrc.uow.edu.au[130.130.10.100]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.5.0) with ESMTP id 576326.9195; Sunday, 12 October 2003 13:32:22 +1000 Received: from hades (IDENT:0@hades.snrc.uow.edu.au [130.130.10.100]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h9C3WKWh025965; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:32:21 +1000 Received: from ppp34-as53.uow.net.au ([130.130.192.34]) by hades.snrc.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:32:19 +1000 (EST) From: Justin Lipman Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: TITR To: dmaltz@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: [manet] turning off RTS/CTS Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:32:08 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 Cc: manet@ietf.org References: <133770261.1065782169@EEN9097.een.bris.ac.uk> <200310102005.25775.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> <200310101352.h9ADqHWh007462@hades.snrc.uow.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <200310101352.h9ADqHWh007462@hades.snrc.uow.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310121332.08305.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> X-MessageID: 576326.9195 X-EnvelopeFrom: 576326.9195 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:51 pm, Dave Maltz wrote: > I was amused to learn that RTS/CTS is completely disabled by default in > many popular 802.11b drivers under windows. .... > Considering the prevalence of 802.11b machines running windows, I've often > wondered whether we should all just turn off RTS/CTS exchange in our > simulations in order to make their results more applicable to the real > world. Curiously... against better judgement (allthough I know RTS/CTS is not perfect), is there some sane obscure reason for this? :-) I wonder if this is done to improve the performance (throughput) ratings provided by many computing mags when evaluating 802.11 cards. They seem to only perform simple two node performance tests as not everyone has a base station. cheers, Justin -- PhD Candidate Telecommunications & Information Technology Research Institute School of Computer, Electrical & Telecommunications Engineering University of Wollongong, Australia http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Oct 12 01:07:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA25094 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8YRq-0006YA-Se for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9C57IEi025166 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8YRp-0006Xg-Rz for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA25079 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8YRm-0003tX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8YRm-0003tU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8YRa-0006SN-6N; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:07:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8YR9-0006RV-GP for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:06:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA25048 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8YR6-0003sm-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:06:32 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8YR5-0003sM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:06:32 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:09:15 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@210.32.131.214) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:09:15 +0800 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:03:24 +0800 From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031012130324.014b5364.shzju@eyou.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] How to know the node id ( NS2 ) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I encouter a problem. In the function "Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h)" of class Mac802_11, how to aquire which node call this very function. That is to say i want to get the pointer MobileNode* of the node which is attempting to transmit. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Oct 12 04:25:00 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA12002 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8bWo-0001tj-GV for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:38 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9C8OcYg007259 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8bWn-0001sp-J0 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA11945 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8bWk-0005g7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:34 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8bWk-0005g4-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:34 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8bWI-0001NZ-Lz; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:24:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8abp-00060k-00 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:25:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA10767 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8abm-0005Ha-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:25:42 -0400 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A8abm-0005HX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:25:42 -0400 Received: from nppham [203.219.237.10] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:55:43 +0950 Subject: Re: [manet] How to know the node id ( NS2 ) From: "Peter Pham" To: shzju@eyou.com CC: manet@ietf.org Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:55:43 +0950 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: nppham MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1065943543.a28ba800nppham@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi use the netif_ to get the node id. Peter Pham -----Original Message----- From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:03:24 +0800 Subject: [manet] How to know the node id ( NS2 ) Hi all, I encouter a problem. In the function "Mac802_11::send(Packet *p, Handler *h)" of class Mac802_11= , how to aquire which node call this very function. That is to say i want to = get the pointer MobileNode* of the node which is attempting to transmit. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet Peter Phuc Pham _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 13 06:42:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA29698 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A909c-0002az-Ot for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9DAgKCS009973 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A909c-0002am-LB for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA29656 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A909Y-0001L9-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A909X-0001L6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A909J-0002Yf-Rt; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:42:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9090-0002Y6-4c for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:41:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA29641; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A908v-0001Kk-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:41:37 -0400 Received: from motgate.mot.com ([129.188.136.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A908v-0001Kh-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:41:37 -0400 Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id h9DAfWNK007160; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:41:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thorgal.crm.mot.com (zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.8]) by az33exr04.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr04) with ESMTP id h9DAfR1k013016; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:41:29 -0500 Received: from nal.motlabs.com (test9.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.219]) by thorgal.crm.mot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0B72EC95; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:41:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F8A8156.4090409@nal.motlabs.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:41:26 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jafy@etri.re.kr Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org References: <003c01c38ec5$2d0b1b70$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> In-Reply-To: <003c01c38ec5$2d0b1b70$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.72.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Re: NEMO or MANET? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HyunWook Cha wrote: > ...NEMO solution using prefix delegation through DHCP is enough to > support this issue or scenario. But, I think this kind of solution is > useful under infrastructured condition or very short time session. Yes, if infrastructure is available and only short time communication is needed, using DHCP prefix delegation to nodes in the mobile network can help. But of course providing reachability at a permanent home address is not feasible if _only_ prefix delegation is used. > If one mobile network is visiting other mobile network attached to > wired Internet, prefix delegation approach has benefit that it can > reduce one level tunneling between a MN in visiting node and its CN. Richtig. > However, let's consider what happens if no access points(routers) are > available and three mobile networks(cars) are connected temporarily > as following. A<-B<-C ( a <- b means a is parent of b or b visiting > a) A delegates a prefix (a:b) to B. B delegates a prefix (b:c) to C. > In this case, if a node with prefix a in A want to communicate a node > with prefix (b:c) in C, how can it be possible without any routing > protocol including MANET? A delegates a prefix to B implies that both A and B add entries in their respective routing tables in order to make forwarding work. Similar when B delegates to C. In this way routes are added where needed, and without a routing protocol involved. Moreover, DHCP also distributes defaults routes to be installed in routing tables. > Next, what happens if above topology is changed into following one > while a node called 'a' in A is communicating with a node 'b' with > prefix a:b in B? A<-C<-B Ok. If the topology changes from A-B-C to A-C-B then indeed this is no longer as static as might have been wished for by NEMO. This is definitely something to be dealt with by manet protocols. Do you have an analytical (if practical even better) example of behaviour of a manet routing protocol when topology changes from A-B-C to A-C-B? > If you points to duplicate address problem, several solutions > including "weak DAD" can be helpful. I think that for mobile > networks, these schemes can be applicable for resolving duplicate > prefix problem. I was not pointing to a duplicate address assignment problem, mainly because that equates to other cataclysms that might happen. I was pointing to the fact that using manet exclusively does not provide universal reachability at a permanent home address when the nodes move anywhere at the edges of the Internet. Alex GBU _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 13 10:11:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06501 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A93Pj-0003qd-Ty for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9DEBB4U014787 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A93Pj-0003qP-M7 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06421 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A93Ph-00034G-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A93Ph-00034D-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A93PZ-0003mi-Ol; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:11:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A93Ok-0003lE-Lf for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:10:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06321; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A93Oi-00033A-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:10:08 -0400 Received: from [211.91.220.4] (helo=ds20.nudt.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A93Oh-00032u-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:10:08 -0400 Received: by ds20.nudt.edu.cn (Postfix, from userid 506) id A2F735B904; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:16:28 +0800 (HKT) From: Wanrong Yu To: Alexandru Petrescu Reply-To: Wanrong Yu Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org References: <003c01c38ec5$2d0b1b70$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> <3F8A8156.4090409@nal.motlabs.com> In-Reply-To: <3F8A8156.4090409@nal.motlabs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YH WebMail Program Version 1.5 X-Originating-IP: 172.26.20.16 Message-Id: <20031013141628.A2F735B904@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:16:28 +0800 (HKT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] =?gb2312?B?UmU6IFtuZW1vXSBSZTogTkVNTyBvciBNQU5FVD8=?= Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,Alex Sorry for reply so later;-) >> From the aspect of NEMO, we can loose the restrict of the existence >> of fixed infrastructure, >Ok, for the purpose of obtaining what? >IMHO choosing between manet protocols and Mobile IP- based solution >depends largely on the vehicular scenario involved; what's your scenario >Wanrong? I mean this is a possible scenario and we should be able to deal with the unavailable of fixed infrastructure no matter what's the reason for its unavailable. I am a postgraduate student and just "think out" this problem when reading NEMO and MANET drafts. I just want to know weather this is a deserved research topic. I will do more work on this and will submit any results to the two WGs. > Ok. If the topology changes from A-B-C to A-C-B then indeed this is no > longer as static as might have been wished for by NEMO. This is > definitely something to be dealt with by manet protocols. Agree! This is what I mean, current NEMO WG may not focus on this and current MANET protocol "may" be not enough to fit this condition. Wanrong Yu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 13 15:44:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23211 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A98c2-0004BG-3e for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9DJiE6m016064 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A98c1-0004B1-WA for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23193 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A98c0-0007MF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A98c0-0007MC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A98bp-00049F-8c; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A98bA-00048K-VL for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:43:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23142 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A98b5-0007Kk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:43:15 -0400 Received: from pedigree.cs.ubc.ca ([142.103.6.50]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A98b4-0007Kf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:43:14 -0400 Received: from doraemon.cs.ubc.ca (IDENT:rp8ryn18LIEYJoAB6xt4bNt6lwXJYZKM@doraemon.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.10.79]) by pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.12.10/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h9DJhC2A028890 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Suprio Ray To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] DSDV & ZRP for Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is any implementation available for DSDV and ZRP for Glomosim? If yes, could you please suggest me the link to download? Thanks a lot in advance. -Suprio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 13 18:36:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03668 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9BIb-0004Yn-AP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9DMaL4W017521 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9BIb-0004YW-1h for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03649 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9BIX-0002QC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9BIX-0002Q9-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9BIH-0004XE-Vs; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9BHk-0004Ss-Pd for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:35:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03625 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9BHh-0002Pj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:35:25 -0400 Received: from gehenna.ece.cornell.edu ([128.84.95.235]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9BHh-0002Pg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:35:25 -0400 Received: from verdi (verdi.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.210.27]) by gehenna.ece.cornell.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771B71E8007; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "haas@ece.cornell.edu" To: Suprio Ray Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] DSDV & ZRP for Glomosim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Suprio, For ZRP in Glomosim, please see: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu/wnlprojects.html#adhoc_software Zygmunt. ==-=-===== ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas Wireless Networks Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu School of Electrical Engineering Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas@ece.cornell.edu U.S.A WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Suprio Ray wrote: > > Hi, > Can anyone tell me if there is any implementation available for DSDV and > ZRP for Glomosim? If yes, could you please suggest me the link to > download? > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > -Suprio > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 13 19:21:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04921 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9C08-0006nV-NG for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9DNLKjU026123 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9C08-0006nG-Hb for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04907 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9C06-0002u3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9C06-0002u0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9Bzp-0006ic-QL; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9Bzc-0006hh-69 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:20:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04891; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9Bza-0002th-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:20:46 -0400 Received: from gamma.isi.edu ([128.9.144.145]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9BzZ-0002te-00; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:20:45 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (jet.isi.edu [128.9.160.87]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9DNKjO11467; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200310132320.h9DNKjO11467@gamma.isi.edu> To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, manet@ietf.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=NextPart Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:20:45 -0700 Subject: [manet] RFC 3626 on Optimized Link State Routing Protocol (OLSR) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 3626 Title: Optimized Link State Routing Protocol (OLSR) Author(s): T. Clausen, Ed., P. Jacquet, Ed. Status: Experimental Date: October 2003 Mailbox: T.Clausen@computer.org, Philippe.Jacquet@inria.fr Pages: 75 Characters: 161265 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-manet-olsr-11.txt URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3626.txt This document describes the Optimized Link State Routing (OLSR) protocol for mobile ad hoc networks. The protocol is an optimization of the classical link state algorithm tailored to the requirements of a mobile wireless LAN. The key concept used in the protocol is that of multipoint relays (MPRs). MPRs are selected nodes which forward broadcast messages during the flooding process. This technique substantially reduces the message overhead as compared to a classical flooding mechanism, where every node retransmits each message when it receives the first copy of the message. 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Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Alex. Thank you for your reply. Please see inline comments. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:petrescu@nal.motlabs.com] > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:41 PM > To: jafy@etri.re.kr > Cc: nemo@ietf.org; manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: NEMO or MANET? > > > > HyunWook Cha wrote: > > ...NEMO solution using prefix delegation through DHCP is enough to > > support this issue or scenario. But, I think this kind of > solution is > > useful under infrastructured condition or very short time session. > > Yes, if infrastructure is available and only short time > communication is needed, using DHCP prefix delegation to > nodes in the mobile network can help. But of course > providing reachability at a permanent home address is not > feasible if _only_ prefix delegation is used. > If infrastructure is not available, I think that delegator in visited mobile network can not delegate its prefix any more. > > > However, let's consider what happens if no access > points(routers) are > > available and three mobile networks(cars) are connected > temporarily as > > following. A<-B<-C ( a <- b means a is parent of b or b visiting > > a) A delegates a prefix (a:b) to B. B delegates a prefix (b:c) to C. > > In this case, if a node with prefix a in A want to > communicate a node > > with prefix (b:c) in C, how can it be possible without any routing > > protocol including MANET? > > A delegates a prefix to B implies that both A and B add > entries in their respective routing tables in order to make > forwarding work. Similar when B delegates to C. In this way > routes are added where needed, and without a routing protocol > involved. Moreover, DHCP also distributes defaults routes to > be installed in routing tables. > I understand that new corresponding routing entry is inserted after a prefix is delegated to visiting mobile network and default route entry of visiting network is set to delegator. But this seems to be insufficient for my question. If sender in A want to send its packets to destination in C, default route of MR_A should be set to MR_B. Can you explain how it works more specifically? > Do you have an analytical (if practical even better) example > of behaviour of a manet routing protocol when topology > changes from A-B-C to A-C-B? > As for reactive routing protocol AODV, MR_A altready knows route information(next_hop : MR_B) for network C through route discovery before topological change. After topology changes into A-C-B, MR_A tries to forward packets(destined to a node in C) of sender in A to MR_B and finds out link between MR_A and MR_B is broken. Then, MR_A reinitiates route discovery for C. At this time, MR_C replies to RREQ of MR_A and MR_A obtains fresh route information for C by receiving RREP by MR_C. As for proactive routing protocol, each MR sends its routing message to disseminate its reachability info after it finds out that any link to neighbors change. > I was not pointing to a duplicate address assignment problem, > mainly because that equates to other cataclysms that might > happen. I was pointing to the fact that using manet > exclusively does not provide universal reachability at a > permanent home address when the nodes move anywhere at the > edges of the Internet. I agree. MIP, NEMO are tackling this subject. I think manet routing protocols are useful for inter mobile network routing when networks are nested whether they are attached to Internet or not. In addition, they can be used for RO in netsted mobile network using manet internet gateway. Regards, HyunWook Cha > > Alex > GBU > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 07:32:51 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04455 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9NPh-00073R-Jj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9EBWTdb027113 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9NPh-00073E-GI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04410 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9NPg-00014g-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:28 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9NPg-00014c-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:28 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9NPH-00070X-05; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:32:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9NOh-0006zF-OK for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:31:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04368 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9NOh-00013k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:31:27 -0400 Received: from smtp1.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9NOg-000139-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:31:26 -0400 Received: from oleane (upper-side.rain.fr [194.250.212.114]) by smtp1.clb.oleane.net with SMTP id h9EBUtf0019160 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:30:55 +0200 Message-ID: <010601c39246$f9f5afe0$0601a8c0@www.oleane.com> From: "Peter Lewis" To: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:33:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0103_01C39257.BD42FD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [manet] The 2004 WiFi Voice Conference Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C39257.BD42FD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today, the voice over WLAN market is an extremely small and immature = market but in the longer term, all users of WLAN networks could = eventually find a business case within the context of interoperability = between WLANs and 2.5G and 3G networks.=20 The 2004 WiFi Voice Conference will be held in Paris on May 25 to 28, = 2004.=20 A call for papers has been launched on-line, effective until November = 15, 2003.=20 More details at: http://www.upperside.fr/wifivoice04/wifivoice04intro.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C39257.BD42FD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Today, the voice over WLAN market is an extremely = small and=20 immature market but in the longer term, all users of WLAN networks could = eventually find a business case within the context of interoperability = between=20 WLANs and 2.5G and 3G networks.
The 2004 WiFi Voice = Conference=20 will be held in Paris on May 25 to 28, = 2004.=20

A call for papers has been launched on-line, effective until = November 15, 2003.
More details at:
http://= www.upperside.fr/wifivoice04/wifivoice04intro.htm
= ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C39257.BD42FD80-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 09:40:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09041 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9PPM-0006fS-S3 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9EDeGkV025624 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9PPM-0006fD-Mz for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09018 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9PPK-0002eS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9PPK-0002eN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9PPA-0006aa-Kh; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9POw-0006a0-JW for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09012 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9POu-0002eD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:39:48 -0400 Received: from bay2-f123.bay2.hotmail.com ([65.54.247.123] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9POu-0002dx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:39:48 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:39:17 -0700 Received: from 195.12.26.4 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:39:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.12.26.4] X-Originating-Email: [jianwu53@hotmail.com] From: "jian wu" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:39:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2003 13:39:17.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[905AC130:01C39258] Subject: [manet] throughput and delay in ad hoc networks Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear all I am new in ns. I am currently running ns simulations to compare different ad hoc protocols (AODV, DSR, etc.). I wonder how to parse the trace file and get the throughput and delay measurements. Can anybody share some info on this? An awk script would be very helpful! Thanks ain advance. Jian Wu jianwu53@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 10:40:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12509 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QLW-0002EJ-QI for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:23 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9EEeMEr008565 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QLW-0002E4-Kv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12467 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QLU-0003RD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:20 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QLT-0003RA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QLE-00029b-E8; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QL7-00028n-QZ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12456 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QL5-0003Qt-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:55 -0400 Received: from tomts32.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.106] helo=tomts32-srv.bellnexxia.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QL4-0003QW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:54 -0400 Received: from ordi ([64.228.192.144]) by tomts32-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031014143945.RNCC284.tomts32-srv.bellnexxia.net@ordi> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:45 -0400 Message-ID: <042b01c392ef$791a1f60$670cfea9@A8245.findquick.com> From: "Omar LAHLOU" To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:38:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0422_01C39308.7D8E3900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [manet] TDMA implementation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C39308.7D8E3900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am looking for TDMA code source, please there are anyone who has = implemented TDMA over Glomosim. Thanks a lot. Omar. ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C39308.7D8E3900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 all,

I am looking for TDMA code source, please there are anyone = who has=20 implemented TDMA over Glomosim.

Thanks a=20 lot.

Omar.
------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C39308.7D8E3900-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 14:04:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21620 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9TX0-0005y8-Jv for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9EI4QP4022943 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9TX0-0005xy-Gg for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21578 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9TWy-00060o-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:24 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9TWx-00060j-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9TWc-0005sp-5l; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9TVv-0005qW-MR for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:03:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21539 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9TVt-0005zl-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:03:17 -0400 Received: from smtp.eecs.umich.edu ([141.213.4.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9TVs-0005zT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:03:16 -0400 Received: from clueless.eecs.umich.edu (clueless.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.18.225]) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EI0Xmm016054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:00:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mingyan Liu To: manet@ietf.org, , cc: matta@cs.bu.edu, , , Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No -- Hits: 0 Required: 5 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: [manet] Deadline Extension -- WWIC 2004 Call for Papers Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies ... Call for Papers The 2nd International Conference on Wired/Wireless Internet Communications (WWIC'04) February 05-07, 2004 FRANKFURT (ODER), GERMANY http://www.wwic2004.de/ * Extended Deadline: October 24, 2003 * WWIC 2004 is the second annual conference dedicated to bridging the gap between wired and wireless Internet. The issue of integrating mobile devices in the Internet poses many challenges such as the design and evaluation of protocols,the dynamics of the integration, the performance trade-offs, the need for new performance metrics, and the cross-layer interactions. The goal of the conference is to present high-quality results in the field, and to provide a framework for research collaboration through focused discussions that will designate future research efforts and directions. In this context, the program committee will accept only a limited number of papers that meet the criteria of originality, presentation quality and topic relevance. All papers should be submitted electronically, in Portable Document Format (PDF) format. The paper should not exceed 12 pages. Conference proceedings will be published by Springer as LNCS. For formatting instructions see http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html The program committee solicits research papers on the following issues: * Network Design Issues on Wireless Internet * Evaluation of Internet protocols over wireless networks * Design and evaluation of new protocols * Conflicting behavior of wired/wireless protocols/mechanisms * Error and Congestion Control * Quality of Service * Energy Efficiency of protocols and devices * Performance Trade-offs * Wired/Wireless Proxies * Web Computing * System Design and Evaluation * Cross-layer interactions * Applications and Application Performance * Middleware platforms * Evaluation Tools and Methods * Modeling and Simulation for wired/wireless networks IMPORTANT DATES Submission deadline: October 10, 2003 Notification of acceptance: November 12, 2003 Camera ready papers: November 26, 2003 ORGANIZATION General Chairs: Vassilis Tsaoussidis, Demokritos University, Greece Ibrahim Matta, Boston University, USA TPC Chairs: Peter Langendoerfer, IHP, Germany Mingyan Liu, University of Michigan, USA Technical Program Committee: Farooq Anjum, Telcordia Technologies, USA Xiuzhen Chen, George Washington University, USA Mark Crovella, Boston University, USA Klaus David, University of Kassel, Germany Olaf Droegehorn, University of Kassel, Germany Yuguang Fang, University of Florida, USA Yevgeni Koucheryavy, Tampere University of Technology, Finland Rolf Kraemer, IHP Microelectronics, Germany Srikanth Krishnamurthy, University of California, Riverside, USA Adrian Lahanas, Demokritos Research Center, Greece Peter Langendoerfer, IHP Microelectronics, Germany Victor Leung, Univeristy of British Columbia, Canada Mingyan Liu, University of Michigan, USA Qingchong Liu, University of Oakland, USA Petri Maehoenen, University Oulu, Finland Qusay Mahoud, Guelph University, Canada Christian Maihoefer, DaimlerChrysler, Germany Ibrahim Matta, Boston University, USA Ioanis Nikolaidis, University of Alberta, Canada Guevara Noubir, Northeastern University, USA George Polyzos, AUEB, Greece Jochen Schiller, FU Berlin, Germany Sherman Shen, University of Waterloo, Canada Ioannis Stavrakakis, University of Athens, Greece Vassilis Tsaoussidis, Demokritos University, Greece Dapeng Oliver Wu, University of Florida, USA Chi Zhang, Florida International University, USA Yongguang Zhang, Hughes Research Labs, USA Martina Zitterbart, TU Karlsruhe, Germany Michele Zorzi, University of Ferrara, Italy _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 17:27:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03327 for ; 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charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] proactive unicast routing algorithm(s) for Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Could you pls tell me if there is(are) any implementation(s) available for any of the proactive routing algorithms for MANET like DSDV or OLSR in Glomosim. Thanks in advance. -Suprio --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 17:32:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03589 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9Wm1-0003kP-CC for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9ELW97L014399 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9Wm1-0003kA-3U for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03561 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9Wly-0001bm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:06 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9Wly-0001bj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:06 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9Wlt-0003cd-8Y; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:32:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9Wl7-0003b8-JE for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:31:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03524 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9Wl5-0001ac-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:31:11 -0400 Received: from smtp7.stanford.edu ([171.67.16.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9Wl4-0001aY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:31:10 -0400 Received: from yuba.Stanford.EDU (yuba.Stanford.EDU [171.64.74.58]) by smtp7.Stanford.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9ELV4S5027586 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yuba.Stanford.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by yuba.Stanford.EDU (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h9ELV4r6019506 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:31:04 -0700 From: Gireesh Received: (from apache@localhost) by yuba.Stanford.EDU (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9ELV4g5019504; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:31:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: yuba.Stanford.EDU: apache set sender to gireesh@localhost using -f Received: from 171.64.74.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gireesh) by yuba.stanford.edu with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57814.171.64.74.40.1066167064.squirrel@yuba.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:31:04 -0700 (PDT) To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] Request to unsubscribe Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I hope this mail gets to the list administrator. 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Thanks, Gireesh _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 22:11:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA13735 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9b8J-0003ps-Dp for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9F2BR93014738 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9b8J-0003pd-8u for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA13725 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9b8G-000564-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:24 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9b8F-000561-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9b7v-0003lB-Rj; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9b7a-0003kG-Ne for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:10:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA13696 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9b7X-00055I-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:10:39 -0400 Received: from ms01.net.ie.niigata-u.ac.jp ([133.35.156.1] ident=postfix) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9b7W-00055F-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:10:39 -0400 Received: from ms195.net.ie.niigata-u.ac.jp (ms195.net.ie.niigata-u.ac.jp [133.35.156.195]) by ms01.net.ie.niigata-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with SMTP id B3C8511DEC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:10:14 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:18:40 +0900 From: Sota Yoshida To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] proactive unicast routing algorithm(s) for Glomosim Message-Id: <20031015111840.5807c116.syoshida@net.ie.niigata-u.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-vine-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Suprio and manet! I'm a student of Niigata Univ in Japan. We implemented OLSR (draft ver.11) in GloMoSim. If you need a olsr source code, please send a E-mail first to syoshida@ie.net.niigata-u.ac.jp and mgoto@ie.net.niigata-u.ac.jp. Regards gm, syoshida On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Suprio Ray wrote: > > Hi, > Could you pls tell me if there is(are) any implementation(s) available > for any of the proactive routing algorithms for MANET like DSDV or OLSR in > Glomosim. > > Thanks in advance. > -Suprio > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 15 02:32:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA13195 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9fCl-0003fv-KS for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9F6WJ9R014126 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9fCl-0003fl-BT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12822 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9fCh-0007W3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9fCh-0007W0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9fCY-0003d6-0r; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9fCG-0003b7-NU for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:31:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12430; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9fCC-0007Uw-00; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:31:44 -0400 Received: from [129.254.16.14] (helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9fCC-0007Tr-00; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:31:44 -0400 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 48SD3G9B; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:28:02 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" Cc: , Subject: FW: [manet] RE: NEMO or MANET? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:30:44 +0900 Message-ID: <000c01c392e5$dcd7c480$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I re-post my reply about this overwraped issue to two mailing list since it seems to be rejected as a spam mail because of non-english character. If I have misunderstood, please enlighten me. Regards, HyunWook Cha -----Original Message----- From: HyunWook Cha [mailto:jafy@etri.re.kr] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:51 PM To: 'Alexandru Petrescu' Cc: 'nemo@ietf.org'; 'manet@ietf.org' Subject: FW: [manet] RE: NEMO or MANET? Hi Alex, I apologize that my second comment on A-C-B seems to be repeated. Please ignore that. And, I modify my first comment. Since an MR which does not have global prefixes requests prefix delegation, MR_B delegates its prefix to MR_A in case A-(B-C) that I mentioned below. How about this case where one group(cluster or partion in terms of MANET) of mobile networks is connected to another group of mobile netwroks? (A->B)-(C->D) I think prefix delegation should be extended to propagate route information for prefix of one group to other group although prefix delegation is not needed. If so, why don't you use MANET routing protcols? If I have misunderstood, please enlighten me. Thank you in advance. HyunWook Cha [Previous discussion is as following. ] Hi Alex, Ok, Since the scenario which we are considering is with no infrastructure, we do not need to mention issue like "HoA expiration". Please see inline comments. > If A delegates 2002:aaaa:aaaa:b::/52 to B and B delegates > 2002:aaaa:aaaa:bc::/54 to C then MR_A will use its usual default route > to everything different than 2002:aaaa:aaaa::/52 through its usual > default route. MR_A does not need to change its default route. > > It is sufficient for MR_A to a have a route towards the delegated > prefix 2002:aaaa:aaaa:b::/52 towards MR_B and MR_B to have a route > towards the delegated prefix 2002:aaaa:aaaa:bc::54 towards MR_C. > I agree partially. You assume that MR_C is connected to MR_B after MR_B is connected to MR_A and configure a prefix delegated from MR_A. However, let's consider another scenario. What happens if MR_C is connected to MR_B before MR_B is connected to MR_A and configure a prefix delegated from MR_A. In this case, the prefix which MR_C is delegated from MR_B is not 2002:aaaa:aaaa:bc::56 but 2002:bbbb:bbbb:c/52. If a node in network A wants to communicate one with 2002:bbbb:bbbb:c/52 as prefix in network C, it is not possible if default route entry of MR_A is not changed to MR_B or route entry for 2002:bbbb:bbbb/48 is not added in MR_A when MR_A delegates its prefix to MR_B. If the latter is perfomed, it satisfies this scenario. But, how about the case where 4 mobile networks are connected in direction of bottem_up, that is D is connected to C, C to B, and B to A and a node in A starts to communicate one( 2002:cccc:cccc:d::/52) in D. Routing protocls including manet protocols is necessary to do this. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 15 04:54:51 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20868 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9hQJ-0005LZ-Oc for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9F8sRlh020550 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9hQI-0005LN-Nb for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20859 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9hQF-0001OP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9hQF-0001OM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9hPx-0005Ja-WC; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:54:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9hPg-0005J1-V0 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:53:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20844 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9hPd-0001Nj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:53:45 -0400 Received: from clarinet.u-strasbg.fr ([130.79.90.157]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9hPc-0001Na-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:53:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 3323 invoked for bounce); 15 Oct 2003 08:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO clarinet.u-strasbg.fr) (frey@unknown) by unknown with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 08:54:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3F8D0B1F.6020705@clarinet.u-strasbg.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:53:51 +0200 From: Arnaud Frey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Problem with adhoc link Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I'm trying to make some tests on freebsd 4.8 RELEASE, with some sisco aironet wireless cards in ad-hoc mode. But I have some problems with the ad-hoc link which get's interrupted if nothing happens for a few time, even if I disactivate powersafemode mode. Each time, I have to make a "ifconfig an0 down" and "up" again to "re-associate" my two machines. And further more I also have to force 11Mbps transmission as they "see" each other.

Has someone allready had this problem?

Arnaud
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_______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 15 05:37:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA22231 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9i5r-0008LZ-2O for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9F9bMu1031903 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9i5p-0008IM-W1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA22217 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9i5m-0001vN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9i5l-0001vK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9i5W-0008BV-6A; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:37:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9i4y-00089r-0x for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:36:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA22186 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9i4u-0001uT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:36:24 -0400 Received: from deprox.docomolab-euro.com ([212.119.9.186]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9i4t-0001tj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:36:23 -0400 Received: from 192.168.0.23 by deprox.docomolab-euro.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:35:40 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPartTM-000-72292b83-b442-4b8c-a055-62bf91b64045" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: [manet] Problem with adhoc link Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:35:39 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [manet] Problem with adhoc link Thread-Index: AcOS+gmGGpNwWFlTQpWsIvQpljmdMgAAuncQ From: "Hofmann, Philipp" To: "Arnaud Frey" Cc: Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-72292b83-b442-4b8c-a055-62bf91b64045 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C392FF.B21F8A65" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C392FF.B21F8A65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Arnaud, =20 we did not have this particular problem, but in general I recommend not = to use Cisco wireless cards. We have set up an ad hoc network testbed = consisting of some laptops equipped with Cisco Aironet 350 WLAN cards. = The Cisco cards did not work very stable, especially in ad hoc mode and = under high load. In fact, after some time any of the cards just stopped = transmitting or receiving traffic and we had to restart it. Now, we are = using Proxim Orinoco Silver cards and everything works fine. =20 Regards, Philipp -----Original Message----- From: Arnaud Frey [mailto:frey@clarinet.u-strasbg.fr] Sent: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 10:54 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] Problem with adhoc link Hello, I'm trying to make some tests on freebsd 4.8 RELEASE, with some sisco = aironet wireless cards in ad-hoc mode. But I have some problems with the = ad-hoc link which get's interrupted if nothing happens for a few time, = even if I disactivate powersafemode mode. Each time, I have to make a = "ifconfig an0 down" and "up" again to "re-associate" my two machines. = And further more I also have to force 11Mbps transmission as they "see" = each other. Has someone allready had this problem? Arnaud --=20 _____ =20 FREY Arnaud Network Research Group P=F4le API - LSIIT=20 Boulevard S=E9bastien Brant 67 400 ILLKIRCH FRANCE =20 phone: +33 (0) 3.90.24.45.90 =20 e-mail: frey@clarinet.u-strasbg.fr web: http://clarinet.u-strasbg.fr/~frey/ = =20 =20 _____ =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list = manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C392FF.B21F8A65 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Arnaud,
 
we did=20 not have this particular problem, but in general I recommend not to use = Cisco=20 wireless cards. We have set up an ad hoc network testbed consisting = of some=20 laptops equipped with Cisco Aironet 350 WLAN cards. The Cisco cards did = not work=20 very stable, especially in ad hoc mode and under high load. In fact, = after some=20 time any of the cards just stopped transmitting or receiving = traffic and we=20 had to restart it. Now, we are using Proxim Orinoco Silver cards and = everything=20 works fine.
 
Regards,
Philipp
-----Original Message-----
From: Arnaud Frey=20 [mailto:frey@clarinet.u-strasbg.fr]
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. = Oktober 2003=20 10:54
To: manet@ietf.org
Subject: [manet] Problem = with=20 adhoc link

Hello,

I'm trying to make some = tests on=20 freebsd 4.8 RELEASE, with some sisco aironet wireless cards in ad-hoc = mode.=20 But I have some problems with the ad-hoc link which get's interrupted = if=20 nothing happens for a few time, even if I disactivate powersafemode = mode. Each=20 time, I have to make a "ifconfig an0 down" and "up" again to = "re-associate" my=20 two machines. And further more I also have to force 11Mbps = transmission as=20 they "see" each other.

Has someone allready had this=20 problem?

Arnaud
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FREY=20 Arnaud
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I compiled it successfully and have set proper conditions in config.in and app.conf, but when I run it, the problem like below always occur: Partition 1 (0 2) has range (0, 0) to (0, 0): 20 nodes Current Sim Time[s] = 0.000000000 Real Time[s] = 1 Completed 0% glomosim: ../mac/My802_11.pc:3269: Assertion `myInterfaceIndex != interfaceIndex' failed. Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. 0x42029331 in kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so I checked the radio range and it poped out the following information: The GLOMO_MacInit of Node 0 is called for 0 number of times, and its interfaceNumber is 0 and radioNumber is 0 The MAC selected for interfaceNumber 0 is A802.11 Node 0 in MAC_INIT 1111111111111111111111 using interfaceIndex 0 radio range: 376.782m Execution time : 0.0453 sec Number of events (including timeouts) processed : 0 Number of messages processed : 0 Number of context switches occurred : 6 Number of Local NULL messages sent : 0 Number of Remote NULL messages sent : 0 Total Number of NULL messages sent : 0 My terrain range set to 500*500 with uniform nodeplacement, so this means the radio range is set correctly. And then I changed the other conditions in "config.in" and "app.conf" accordingly but also encountered the same problem. In addition, this mac protocol can be runned correctly by its author and we set the same conditions and all use Linux redhat 7.3. I am afraid that I might set something wrong at somewhere, which is ignored. If you have some similar experience like this, please give me some advice. MANY THANKS INDEED FOR YOUR REPLY AND KINDNESS!!!!! Best regards Teng _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 15 18:37:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28224 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9uGb-0004cS-PA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9FMbH6e017746 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9uGb-0004c7-Gg for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28202 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9uGY-0004ov-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9uGY-0004os-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9uGM-0004XQ-Mq; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:37:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9uG2-0004WH-Hc for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:36:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28176 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9uFz-0004oS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:36:39 -0400 Received: from prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.76.5] ident=exim) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9uFy-0004oE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:36:38 -0400 Received: from duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.74.33] ident=root) by prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 1A9uF9-00003F-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:35:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (eem1tk@localhost) by duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h9FMZbI08734 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:35:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk: eem1tk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:35:37 +0100 (BST) From: Teng Kang X-X-Sender: eem1tk@duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-105.1 required=5.5 tests=BAYES_10,USER_AGENT_PINE,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Scanner: exiscan *1A9uF9-00003F-00*2ZvFuaF5mR6* (SECM, UniS) Subject: [manet] SOS, simulation problem (fwd) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear all: For more than one week I have been dealing with the simulation of a mac protocol, which is coded by someone. I compiled it successfully and have set proper conditions in config.in and app.conf, but when I run it, the problem like below always occur: Partition 1 (0 2) has range (0, 0) to (0, 0): 20 nodes Current Sim Time[s] = 0.000000000 Real Time[s] = 1 Completed 0% glomosim: ../mac/My802_11.pc:3269: Assertion `myInterfaceIndex != interfaceIndex' failed. Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. 0x42029331 in kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so I checked the radio range and it poped out the following information: The GLOMO_MacInit of Node 0 is called for 0 number of times, and its interfaceNumber is 0 and radioNumber is 0 The MAC selected for interfaceNumber 0 is A802.11 Node 0 in MAC_INIT 1111111111111111111111 using interfaceIndex 0 radio range: 376.782m Execution time : 0.0453 sec Number of events (including timeouts) processed : 0 Number of messages processed : 0 Number of context switches occurred : 6 Number of Local NULL messages sent : 0 Number of Remote NULL messages sent : 0 Total Number of NULL messages sent : 0 My terrain range set to 500*500 with uniform nodeplacement, so this means the radio range is set correctly. And then I changed the other conditions in "config.in" and "app.conf" accordingly but also encountered the same problem. In addition, this mac protocol can be runned correctly by its author and we set the same conditions and all use Linux redhat 7.3. I am afraid that I might set something wrong at somewhere, which is ignored. If you have some similar experience like this, please give me some advice. MANY THANKS INDEED FOR YOUR REPLY AND KINDNESS!!!!! Best regards Teng -------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send an email to "listserv@listserv.ucla.edu" with "signoff glomosim-users-l" as the first line of the BODY of the email. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 02:58:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA22072 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA25X-0002S8-6d for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:27 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9G6wNsN009422 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA25W-0002Rt-17 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA22050 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA25R-0001G4-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA25R-0001G1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA25C-0002Qf-Vy; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA24j-0002Pm-I3 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:57:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA22022 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA24f-0001FI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:57:29 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA24d-0001El-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:57:29 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:00:19 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@210.32.131.214) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:00:19 +0800 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:54:10 +0800 From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031016145410.0322a5d9.shzju@eyou.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Dual busy tone mutiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for NS2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Would you please tell me if there is any implementation available for dual busy tone multiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for MANET in Ns2. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 07:39:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA29131 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA6TI-0000bF-Gf for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GBdCmS002299 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA6TI-0000b0-BO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA29113 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA6TH-0003hx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA6TH-0003hu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:11 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA6T7-0000Zt-1Z; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:39:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA6Sj-0000ZO-6e for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:38:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA29103 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA6Si-0003hf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:38:36 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA6Sg-0003hL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:38:36 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:41:23 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@210.32.131.214) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:41:23 +0800 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:35:13 +0800 From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031016193513.471c1033.shzju@eyou.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Dual busy tone mutiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for NS2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Would you please tell me if there is any implementation available for dual busy tone multiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for MANET in Ns2. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 08:28:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA00295 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7El-00030S-8u for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:15 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GCSFaj011550 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:15 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7El-00030D-3V for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA00272 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7Ej-00047l-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7Ej-00047i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7EY-0002w9-12; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:28:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7Db-0002vT-E5 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:27:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA00265 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7Da-00047d-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:27:02 -0400 Received: from gehenna.ece.cornell.edu ([128.84.95.235]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7DZ-00047a-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:27:01 -0400 Received: from verdi (verdi.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.210.27]) by gehenna.ece.cornell.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4AA1E800C; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "haas@ece.cornell.edu" To: Hang Su Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Dual busy tone mutiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for NS2 In-Reply-To: <20031016193513.471c1033.shzju@eyou.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Hang, We have OPNET implementation, but not NS2. Zygmunt. ====---==== ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas Wireless Networks Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu School of Electrical Engineering Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas@ece.cornell.edu U.S.A WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Hang Su wrote: > Hi all, > > Would you please tell me if there is any implementation available > for dual busy tone multiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for MANET in > Ns2. > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 09:03:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01506 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7mZ-0005Ij-ES for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GD3BwU020371 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7mZ-0005IU-B1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01490 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7mX-0004W6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7mX-0004W3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7mQ-0005HQ-2b; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:03:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7lX-0005G3-FA for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:02:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01477 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7lV-0004Vh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:02:06 -0400 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr ([130.79.44.193]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7lU-0004Ve-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:02:05 -0400 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (patinet.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.90.172]) by dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9GDBwnu027242 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:11:58 +0200 Message-ID: <3F8E96CC.6010900@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:02:04 +0200 From: Christophe Jelger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? References: <1065621772.1341.167.camel@nautique> <3F843600.50804@nal.motlabs.com> <3F844629.B544F895@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <3F844629.B544F895@iprg.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I agree with Charlie Perkins, i.e. a short lifetime should be assigned to addresses being autoconfigured. The main reason is that (I believe) an inherent feature of an address autoconfiguration protocol must be its reactiveness to topological changes. The only way of doing this is to periodically refresh the address assignment, whatever method is used to perform it. Therefore if the address is refreshed frequently (say, every 2s), there is no need for the address lifetime to be much longer than 2s. In any case, if an address is not refreshed in time, it probably means there is a problem (e.g. network partitioning) and the address should therefore no be used any longer --> with a short lifetime, the adress would be removed automatically by the host OS. Regards, Christophe Jelger > I can make one suggestion that hasn't been > discussed very much. Perhaps we should assign > a lifetime to all autoconfigured addresses in > an ad hoc network. That way, it is less likely > that two nodes would have the same address for any > extended period of time. Of course, the lifetime > requires periodic revalidation, not necessarily > relinquishing an address that is currently > configured, as long as the revalidation does > not fail. > > Regards, > Charlie P. > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 09:05:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01573 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7oU-0005jN-E2 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GD5AsL022023 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7oU-0005j8-5z for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01541 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7oS-0004XR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:08 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7oS-0004XO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7oM-0005Yv-4F; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA7ne-0005T1-Mr for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01532 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7nd-0004Wx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:17 -0400 Received: from louie.udel.edu ([128.4.40.12] helo=mail.eecis.udel.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA7nc-0004Wu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:16 -0400 Received: by mail.eecis.udel.edu (Postfix, from userid 62) id 223A63290F; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheatgrass.cis.udel.edu (wheatgrass.cis.udel.edu [128.4.131.63]) by mail.eecis.udel.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4496A32901; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:04:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chien-Chung Shen X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] Dual busy tone mutiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for NS2 Message-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=6.0 tests=DEPT_RCVD,FRIEND_AT_PUBLIC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: UDEL-ECECIS: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 MIME-Version: 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > Hi Hang, > > We have OPNET implementation, but not NS2. > > Zygmunt. Hang, DBTMA has also been implemented in QualNet, together with a directional antenna-based extension. Chien-Chung _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 14:24:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14798 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AACnR-0001Uv-Ra for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GIOPbs005756 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AACnR-0001Ul-NC for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14756 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AACnP-0000Fg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AACnO-0000Fc-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AACn4-0001TH-1V; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:24:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AACm5-0001Rk-9x for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14701 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AACm2-0000EW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.64.48]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AACm1-0000ES-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com ([129.172.13.4]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id LAA29674; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-02) with ESMTP id LAA19270; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xch-nebh-01.ne.nos.boeing.com (xch-nebh-01.ne.nos.boeing.com [128.225.80.200]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id h9GIKcL25330; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NE-02.ne.nos.boeing.com ([128.225.80.202]) by xch-nebh-01.ne.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:20:51 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Thread-Index: AcOT5hfLHAyva+26TG+a3r9VR7A/vQAKzPKw From: "Manfredi, Albert E" To: "Christophe Jelger" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2003 18:20:51.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AE36890:01C39412] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the auto-configured address is good for only seconds, then how would = a host in the MANET know how to reach another host in the MANET? Worse, = a host outside the MANET find a host inside the MANET? Mobile IP won't = work in these circumstances. Nor would the DHCP model, in which the host = with the autoconfigured address is expected to initiate the session. Do you assign names, and have a very rapid DNS associated with each = MANET? (Even that seems inplausible, especially if the address of the = DNS servers keeps changing.) Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Christophe Jelger [mailto:jelger@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:02 AM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I agree with Charlie Perkins, i.e. a short lifetime should be=20 > assigned=20 > to addresses being autoconfigured. The main reason is that (I=20 > believe)=20 > an inherent feature of an address autoconfiguration protocol=20 > must be its=20 > reactiveness to topological changes. The only way of doing this is to=20 > periodically refresh the address assignment, whatever method=20 > is used to=20 > perform it. >=20 > Therefore if the address is refreshed frequently (say, every=20 > 2s), there=20 > is no need for the address lifetime to be much longer than 2s. In any=20 > case, if an address is not refreshed in time, it probably=20 > means there is=20 > a problem (e.g. network partitioning) and the address should=20 > therefore=20 > no be used any longer --> with a short lifetime, the adress would be=20 > removed automatically by the host OS. >=20 > Regards, > Christophe Jelger >=20 >=20 > > I can make one suggestion that hasn't been > > discussed very much. Perhaps we should assign > > a lifetime to all autoconfigured addresses in > > an ad hoc network. That way, it is less likely > > that two nodes would have the same address for any > > extended period of time. Of course, the lifetime > > requires periodic revalidation, not necessarily > > relinquishing an address that is currently > > configured, as long as the revalidation does > > not fail. > >=20 > > Regards, > > Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 17:17:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25589 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAFUU-0003iH-UY for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GLH2rP014267 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAFUU-0003i2-NZ for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25558 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAFUS-0002ze-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAFUS-0002zZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:17:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAFTW-0003ZM-H1; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:16:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAFTE-0003Z4-2c for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25518 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAFTB-0002yZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:41 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAFTB-0002yO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:41 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id h9GLF6F09977; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:15:06 -0700 X-mProtect: <200310162115> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (10.241.48.177, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpd7uuthh; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:14:11 PDT Message-ID: <3F8F0A0E.8020908@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:13:50 -0700 From: Charlie Perkins Organization: Nokia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Manfredi, Albert E" , Christophe Jelger CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, The address could be good for tens of minutes, not just 2 seconds. Maybe some analysis is possible whereby one could show the probabiliy of address collision as a function of network size, network density, average speed, and address lifetime. Faster networks would experience partitions more often, as would sparser networks. Then we could make the lifetime selection depend on the needs of the network, reducing guesswork. Regards, Charlie P. Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >If the auto-configured address is good for only seconds, then how would a host in the MANET know how to reach another host in the MANET? Worse, a host outside the MANET find a host inside the MANET? Mobile IP won't work in these circumstances. Nor would the DHCP model, in which the host with the autoconfigured address is expected to initiate the session. > >Do you assign names, and have a very rapid DNS associated with each MANET? (Even that seems inplausible, especially if the address of the DNS servers keeps changing.) > >Bert > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Christophe Jelger [mailto:jelger@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr] >>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:02 AM >>To: manet@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? >> >> >>Hi all, >> >>I agree with Charlie Perkins, i.e. a short lifetime should be >>assigned >>to addresses being autoconfigured. The main reason is that (I >>believe) >>an inherent feature of an address autoconfiguration protocol >>must be its >>reactiveness to topological changes. The only way of doing this is to >>periodically refresh the address assignment, whatever method >>is used to >>perform it. >> >>Therefore if the address is refreshed frequently (say, every >>2s), there >>is no need for the address lifetime to be much longer than 2s. In any >>case, if an address is not refreshed in time, it probably >>means there is >>a problem (e.g. network partitioning) and the address should >>therefore >>no be used any longer --> with a short lifetime, the adress would be >>removed automatically by the host OS. >> >>Regards, >>Christophe Jelger >> >> >> >> >>>I can make one suggestion that hasn't been >>>discussed very much. Perhaps we should assign >>>a lifetime to all autoconfigured addresses in >>>an ad hoc network. That way, it is less likely >>>that two nodes would have the same address for any >>>extended period of time. Of course, the lifetime >>>requires periodic revalidation, not necessarily >>>relinquishing an address that is currently >>>configured, as long as the revalidation does >>>not fail. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Charlie P. >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 17 04:34:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24209 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAQ3t-0007iW-AZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9H8YHvD029665 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAQ3s-0007iK-Oi for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24171 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAQ3p-0000fZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAQ3p-0000fW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAQ3e-0007h8-Ug; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:34:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAQ3J-0007gb-N2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:33:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24148 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAQ3G-0000es-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:33:38 -0400 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.117] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAQ3F-0000em-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:33:38 -0400 Received: from ncl.ac.uk (deerbook.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.149.114]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1-20030918-patch/8.10.1) with ESMTP id h9H8XKL00560; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:33:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:33:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: "Manfredi, Albert E" , Christophe Jelger , manet@ietf.org To: Charlie Perkins From: Einar Vollset In-Reply-To: <3F8F0A0E.8020908@iprg.nokia.com> Message-Id: <90B421B4-007C-11D8-876C-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Postmaster@newcastle.ac.uk for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even if you don't consider the (possible) overhead of assigning new addresses, wouldn't changing the addresses of the network leave it in a rather dynamic state, particularly if the address lifetime was small compared to the number of nodes in the network? What I mean is, the network would never reach a "steady-state" even if there at one point in time seized to be any more partitions or membership changes. Cheers, Einar On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 22:13 Europe/London, Charlie Perkins wrote: > > Hello folks, > > The address could be good for tens of minutes, not just 2 seconds. > Maybe some analysis is possible whereby one could show the probabiliy > of address collision as a function of network size, network density, > average > speed, and address lifetime. Faster networks would experience > partitions > more often, as would sparser networks. > > Then we could make the lifetime selection depend on the needs of the > network, reducing guesswork. > > Regards, > Charlie P. > > > > Manfredi, Albert E wrote: > >> If the auto-configured address is good for only seconds, then how >> would a host in the MANET know how to reach another host in the >> MANET? Worse, a host outside the MANET find a host inside the MANET? >> Mobile IP won't work in these circumstances. Nor would the DHCP >> model, in which the host with the autoconfigured address is expected >> to initiate the session. >> >> Do you assign names, and have a very rapid DNS associated with each >> MANET? (Even that seems inplausible, especially if the address of the >> DNS servers keeps changing.) >> >> Bert >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Christophe Jelger [mailto:jelger@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr] >>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:02 AM >>> To: manet@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I agree with Charlie Perkins, i.e. a short lifetime should be >>> assigned to addresses being autoconfigured. The main reason is that >>> (I believe) an inherent feature of an address autoconfiguration >>> protocol must be its reactiveness to topological changes. The only >>> way of doing this is to periodically refresh the address assignment, >>> whatever method is used to perform it. >>> >>> Therefore if the address is refreshed frequently (say, every 2s), >>> there is no need for the address lifetime to be much longer than 2s. >>> In any case, if an address is not refreshed in time, it probably >>> means there is a problem (e.g. network partitioning) and the address >>> should therefore no be used any longer --> with a short lifetime, >>> the adress would be removed automatically by the host OS. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Christophe Jelger >>> >>> >>> >>>> I can make one suggestion that hasn't been >>>> discussed very much. Perhaps we should assign >>>> a lifetime to all autoconfigured addresses in >>>> an ad hoc network. That way, it is less likely >>>> that two nodes would have the same address for any >>>> extended period of time. Of course, the lifetime >>>> requires periodic revalidation, not necessarily >>>> relinquishing an address that is currently >>>> configured, as long as the revalidation does >>>> not fail. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Charlie P. >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > ---------------------------------------- Einar Vollset PhD Student School of Computing Science University of Newcastle, UK http://vollset.org ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 17 08:24:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA29576 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AATeN-0001YZ-JA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9HCOB5I005983 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AATeN-0001YQ-6t for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA29560 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AATeL-0002ra-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AATeL-0002rX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AATeE-0001XF-IO; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AATdl-0001Wh-Uu for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:23:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA29556 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AATdk-0002rM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:23:32 -0400 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr ([130.79.44.193]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AATdj-0002rJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:23:32 -0400 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (patinet.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.90.172]) by dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9HCXSnu010255 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:33:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3F8FDF49.8080907@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:23:37 +0200 From: Christophe Jelger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? References: <90B421B4-007C-11D8-876C-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <90B421B4-007C-11D8-876C-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Well indeed the network would stay in a quite dynamic state, but isn't that the inherent nature of an ad hoc network ? ;-) About Charlie Perkins comments, I think even if we consider that address collisions (almost) never occur (as it will probably be the case with IPv6), address assignment should still be very dynamic for different reasons : 1. If a network partition occurs, a node may become unreachable via its current Internet gateway : the node has to change its address (if possible) with a prefix of a reachable gateway. 2. The current gateway of a node becomes unreachable : node has to choose another gateway and therefore another address 3. If shortest path routing is favored, and/or minimal routing via the ad hoc network is prefered, then a node would keep changing its address to be reachable via the closest gateway (with respect to its current position). Of course, address "unstability" leads to many problems, especially with DNS. I have to admit that DNS issues in ad hoc networking are not very clear to me ... in particular I don't know if the MANET WG has reached some consensus on these issues, such as : 1. How can a MANET node be "DNS reachable" from outside the MANET ? 2. If some sort of automatic registration is used, what DNS server would be in charge of a node's name ? Regards, Christophe Einar Vollset wrote: > > Even if you don't consider the (possible) overhead of assigning new > addresses, wouldn't > changing the addresses of the network leave it in a rather dynamic > state, particularly if the > address lifetime was small compared to the number of nodes in the network? > What I mean is, the network would never reach a "steady-state" even if > there at one point in > time seized to be any more partitions or membership changes. > > Cheers, > > Einar > > > On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 22:13 Europe/London, Charlie Perkins wrote: > >> >> Hello folks, >> >> The address could be good for tens of minutes, not just 2 seconds. >> Maybe some analysis is possible whereby one could show the probabiliy >> of address collision as a function of network size, network density, >> average >> speed, and address lifetime. Faster networks would experience partitions >> more often, as would sparser networks. >> >> Then we could make the lifetime selection depend on the needs of the >> network, reducing guesswork. >> >> Regards, >> Charlie P. >> >> >> >> Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >> >>> If the auto-configured address is good for only seconds, then how >>> would a host in the MANET know how to reach another host in the >>> MANET? Worse, a host outside the MANET find a host inside the MANET? >>> Mobile IP won't work in these circumstances. Nor would the DHCP >>> model, in which the host with the autoconfigured address is expected >>> to initiate the session. >>> >>> Do you assign names, and have a very rapid DNS associated with each >>> MANET? (Even that seems inplausible, especially if the address of the >>> DNS servers keeps changing.) >>> >>> Bert >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Christophe Jelger [mailto:jelger@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr] >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:02 AM >>>> To: manet@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I agree with Charlie Perkins, i.e. a short lifetime should be >>>> assigned to addresses being autoconfigured. The main reason is that >>>> (I believe) an inherent feature of an address autoconfiguration >>>> protocol must be its reactiveness to topological changes. The only >>>> way of doing this is to periodically refresh the address assignment, >>>> whatever method is used to perform it. >>>> >>>> Therefore if the address is refreshed frequently (say, every 2s), >>>> there is no need for the address lifetime to be much longer than 2s. >>>> In any case, if an address is not refreshed in time, it probably >>>> means there is a problem (e.g. network partitioning) and the address >>>> should therefore no be used any longer --> with a short lifetime, >>>> the adress would be removed automatically by the host OS. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Christophe Jelger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I can make one suggestion that hasn't been >>>>> discussed very much. Perhaps we should assign >>>>> a lifetime to all autoconfigured addresses in >>>>> an ad hoc network. That way, it is less likely >>>>> that two nodes would have the same address for any >>>>> extended period of time. Of course, the lifetime >>>>> requires periodic revalidation, not necessarily >>>>> relinquishing an address that is currently >>>>> configured, as long as the revalidation does >>>>> not fail. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Charlie P. >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> manet mailing list >>> manet@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> > > ---------------------------------------- > Einar Vollset > PhD Student > School of Computing Science > University of Newcastle, UK > http://vollset.org > ----------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 17 09:22:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01075 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAUYS-00042g-4r for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9HDM8vE015532 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAUYS-00042R-09 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01047 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAUYQ-0003It-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:06 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAUYP-0003Iq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAUYM-00041K-8c; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:22:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAUXv-0003z7-3S for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:21:35 -0400 Received: from mercury.telscom.ch ([193.72.156.161]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01014 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaiooo (193.72.156.77) by mercury.telscom.ch with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.30.09 AS-2621446) for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:18:03 +0200 From: "Marcin Michalak" Organization: Telscom To: manet@ietf.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:20:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? Message-ID: <3F9008B5.11345.9AFC59@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3F8FDF49.8080907@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> References: <90B421B4-007C-11D8-876C-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Reply-To: marcin@telscom.ch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 17 Oct 2003 at 14:23, Christophe Jelger wrote: ...cut... > Of course, address "unstability" leads to many problems, especially with > DNS. I have to admit that DNS issues in ad hoc networking are not very > clear to me ... in particular I don't know if the MANET WG has reached > some consensus on these issues, such as : > > 1. How can a MANET node be "DNS reachable" from outside the MANET ? > 2. If some sort of automatic registration is used, what DNS server would > be in charge of a node's name ? Hello, I believe this problem can be solved by Mobile IP. Home address being registered in the DNS server, and Home Agent taking care of redirecting the connections. Of course, when a node is changing the address rapidly there can be a problem, but I don't believe this issue should be solved in the DNS server. Regards, Marcin ---------------------------------------------------------- Marcin Michalak Research Engineer Mobile: +41 79 330 83 51 Telscom AG _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 17 10:05:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02687 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAVEH-0006WW-AK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9HE5Lcc025070 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAVEH-0006WH-4Y for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02618 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAVEE-0003hM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAVEE-0003hJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAVDy-0006Rn-FH; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAVD6-0006Qs-4U for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:04:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02483 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAVD4-0003gW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:04:06 -0400 Received: from isrmail.isr.umd.edu ([128.8.111.5] ident=mirapoint) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAVD3-0003gJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:04:05 -0400 Received: from isr.umd.edu (doh.isr.umd.edu [128.8.140.151]) by isrmail.isr.umd.edu (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with ESMTP id AJW83716; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F8FF6CA.2030209@isr.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:03:54 -0400 From: Manish Karir User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030708 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: [manet] NEMO or MANET? References: <90B421B4-007C-11D8-876C-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> <3F9008B5.11345.9AFC59@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Scott, Are address (auto)configuration issues on the manet charter/recharter?? What about issues related with gateway operation (manet-terrestrial)?? -manish Marcin Michalak wrote: > On 17 Oct 2003 at 14:23, Christophe Jelger wrote: > > ...cut... > >>Of course, address "unstability" leads to many problems, especially with >>DNS. I have to admit that DNS issues in ad hoc networking are not very >>clear to me ... in particular I don't know if the MANET WG has reached >>some consensus on these issues, such as : >> >>1. How can a MANET node be "DNS reachable" from outside the MANET ? >>2. If some sort of automatic registration is used, what DNS server would >>be in charge of a node's name ? > > > Hello, > I believe this problem can be solved by Mobile IP. Home address > being registered in the DNS server, and Home Agent taking care of > redirecting the connections. Of course, when a node is changing the > address rapidly there can be a problem, but I don't believe this > issue should be solved in the DNS server. > Regards, > Marcin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Oct 18 00:24:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06287 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAida-0004la-WA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9I4OMAA018319 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAida-0004lO-LT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06269 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAidX-0005Je-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:19 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAidW-0005Jb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAidF-0004kF-Ul; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:24:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAicN-0004id-Vp for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:23:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06198 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAicL-0005J7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:23:05 -0400 Received: from cssvr7.cs.ust.hk ([143.89.41.157]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AAicI-0005J3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:23:02 -0400 Received: from cs.ust.hk (csz514.cs.ust.hk [143.89.128.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by cssvr7.cs.ust.hk (8.12.10/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h9I4Mifp026217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:22:57 +0800 Message-ID: <3F90C014.8070502@cs.ust.hk> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:22:44 +0800 From: "Dr. Brahim BENSAOU" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, ar, zh-hk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hang Su CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Dual busy tone mutiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for NS2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000801060902010206090405" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000801060902010206090405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hang, Nitin Vaidya's student used DBTMA in a paper in MobiHoc'02 and if I remember well the simulations were carried out with NS-2. I don't know tough whether he is willing to put his code in the public domain. - Brahim. haas@ece.cornell.edu wrote: >Hi Hang, > >We have OPNET implementation, but not NS2. > >Zygmunt. >====---==== >~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- >Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas >Wireless Networks Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu >School of Electrical Engineering >Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 >323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 >Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas@ece.cornell.edu >U.S.A > WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu >~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- > >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Hang Su wrote: > > > >>Hi all, >> >>Would you please tell me if there is any implementation available >>for dual busy tone multiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for MANET in >>Ns2. >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>manet mailing list >>manet@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > -- Brahim Bensaou | Computer Science Department. Assistant Professor | Hong Kong University of Science & Technology brahim@cs.ust.hk | Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong. http://www.cs.ust.hk/~csbb | Ph: +852 23587014, Fax: +852 23581477 --------------000801060902010206090405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hang,

Nitin Vaidya's student used DBTMA in a paper in MobiHoc'02 and if I remember
well the simulations were carried out with NS-2.

I don't know tough whether he is willing to put his code in the public domain.

- Brahim.


haas@ece.cornell.edu wrote:
Hi Hang,

We have OPNET implementation, but not NS2.

Zygmunt.
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Hang Su wrote:

  
Hi all,

Would you please  tell me if there is any implementation available
for dual busy tone multiple access (DBTMA) algorithm for MANET  in
Ns2.

Thanks in advance.

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--------------000801060902010206090405-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Oct 19 01:54:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19007 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AB6W3-0004q6-9j for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9J5sBFf018580 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AB6W3-0004pb-43 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19001 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AB6Vz-0002lZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:07 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AB6Vz-0002lV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AB6Vt-0004nO-FC; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:54:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AB6VD-0004cp-55 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:53:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA18994 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AB6V9-0002lS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:53:15 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AB6V8-0002l4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:53:15 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:56:17 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@10.13.72.28) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:56:17 +0800 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:49:56 +0800 From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031019134956.2d700c6f.shzju@tom.com> Organization: Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou, China X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] How to handle the broadcast packet in DBTMA Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi , Could you please tell me how to handle the broadcast packet in Dual Busy Tone Multiple Access (DBTMA) protocol. Paper "Dual Busy Tone Multiple Access (DBTMA) -- A Multiple Access Control Scheme for Ad Hoc Networks " Zygmunt J. Hass and Jing Deng IEEE Trans. on Comm. Vol.50 No.6 June 2002 p.975-984 did not mention it. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 01:04:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA00431 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABSDF-00056J-4L for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9K54DiJ019603 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABSDF-000566-0W for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA00412 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABSDC-000411-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABSDB-00040y-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABSD4-00050L-5r; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:04:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABSCR-0004lh-8U for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:03:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA00400 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABSCO-00040l-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:03:20 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABSCN-00040T-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:03:19 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id h9K52oc16958; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:02:50 -0700 X-mProtect: <200310200502> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from charliep.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdZ3P6aK; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:02:48 PDT Message-ID: <3F936C6E.AD311765@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:02:38 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group CC: Ian Chakeres , "Elizabeth M.Belding-Royer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] New version of AODV Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, AODV has been recently issued as an experimental draft, but there have been a lot of experiements going on with AODV for years now. We have learned many things about AODV, and have been able to incorporate some of them into an improved version. The main changes are as follows: - Many mandates have been relaxed - Route discovery now follows a path accumulation paradigm - Precursor lists are no longer specified - We expect to utilize the broadcast backbone as soon as a specification is completed that we can expect to use for the purpose. Here is a URL for the document, useful until the Internet Draft repositories can be updated: http://people.nokia.net/charliep/txt/aodvid/aodvid.txt We have tried to reduce the mandated behavior so that AODV can be implemented by very simple nodes. This has to be done, however, in such a way that as a greater percentage of an ad hoc network population implements more _recommended_ (not mandated) features, the performance improves proportionately. We wish to avoid a situation in which a single node can destroy the beneficial effects of implementations on most other nodes that include the recommended features. So, for instance, as more and more are enabled to issue RERR commands, the more likely it is that applications will enjoy better continuity of service by way of route repairs. It is our hope that this step will better enable convergence with other on-demand protocols so that we can more quickly produce a Proposed Standard. Further specification is needed before we can hope to converge with the table-driven protocols. Regards, Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 02:38:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14784 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABTgV-0000Pm-LR for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:32 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9K6cVfq001459 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABTgR-0000NM-Ew for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14774 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABTgN-0004l2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABTgN-0004ky-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABTg2-0000Bf-Rl; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABTft-00007s-Ql for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:37:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14756 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABTfp-0004ks-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:37:50 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABTfp-0004kj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:37:49 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id h9K6bJL32201; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:37:19 -0700 X-mProtect: <200310200637> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from charliep.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdwUi8KF; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:37:18 PDT Message-ID: <3F938294.B502E447@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:37:08 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group CC: "Elizabeth M.Belding-Royer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Quality of Service for Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector Routing Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, There is a new revision for the abovementioned draft. It is available at the following URL: http://people.nokia.net/charliep/txt/aodvid/qos.txt and will soon be available as an Internet Draft (individual submission). Of course, this is a very difficult area, generally, and so in order to get the control signaling right but leave room for a much more general parameter request mechanism, a "QoS Object" format is defined in the draft to allow for future possibilities. Regards, Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 06:09:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19721 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWyY-0007YY-Bf for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:22 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9KA9MdT029040 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWyY-0007YJ-1H for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19702 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABWyU-0006Kp-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABWyT-0006Km-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWyD-0007Sc-Ln; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWyA-0007Qr-03 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:08:58 -0400 Received: from mercury.telscom.ch ([193.72.156.161]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19693 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaiooo (193.72.156.77) by mercury.telscom.ch with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.30.09 AS-2621446) for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:05:16 +0200 From: "Marcin Michalak" Organization: Telscom To: Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:07:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [manet] Quality of Service for Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector Routing Message-ID: <3F93CFE8.6229.938AA6D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3F938294.B502E447@iprg.nokia.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Reply-To: marcin@telscom.ch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 19 Oct 2003 at 23:37, Charles E. Perkins wrote: > > Hello folks, > > There is a new revision for the abovementioned draft. > It is available at the following URL: > http://people.nokia.net/charliep/txt/aodvid/qos.txt > and will soon be available as an Internet Draft > (individual submission). Of course, this is a > very difficult area, generally, and so in order > to get the control signaling right but leave room > for a much more general parameter request mechanism, > a "QoS Object" format is defined in the draft to > allow for future possibilities. > > Regards, > Charlie P. Hello, I read the draft and it should work ;-) A small typo in the introduction: 'When a source (is) needs a route' Otherwise OK. What I'm not understanding completely is how the flows are distinguished from each other. I see that there's the triplet: - source IP address - destination IP address - Session ID But if we have 2 different flows between same source/destination pair, let's say one with QoS requirements, the other one without: how are they sent? I may not understand the mechanism completely, but I thought when the route is established the routing packets are not sent anymore, so where is the session ID carried? I'd be grateful for the clarification. Regards, Marcin ---------------------------------------------------------- Marcin Michalak Research Engineer Mobile: +41 79 330 83 51 Telscom AG _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 09:11:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24917 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABZoe-0005Hu-Rj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9KDBKU7020316 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABZoe-0005HS-8z for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24907 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABZoc-00000G-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABZoc-00000D-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABZoN-00058e-RZ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:11:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABZoE-00053x-Pz for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24898 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABZoD-000009-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:53 -0400 Received: from london.unik.no ([193.156.97.32]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABZoC-0007np-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:52 -0400 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [manet] Quality of Service for Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector Routing Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:10:21 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [manet] Quality of Service for Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector Routing thread-index: AcOW8oEufR7Cy4BuSY236XsaV+nQxwAFD4tQ From: "Frank Li" To: "Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, More typos found here.=20 Sec. 2. If, ..., that node MUST transmit a (an) ICMP QoS_LOST ... Sec. 3. N If qos Profile Type is zero, .... Otherwise, if (if), ... Sec. 9. The ICMPv6 ... to live up to th (the) QoS ... Questions on Sec. 5:=20 If recent history indicates that neighboring transmissions will likely interfere with the node's ability to carry out the indicated bandwidth specification, then the node SHOULD NOT rebroadcast the RREQ. Is this RREQ message discarded? How does the source node know that its = RREQ is discarded?=20 Exact mechanisms for estimating neighborhood traffic levels are beyond the scope of this document. Additional signaling and protocols may be defined in the future in order to obtain a higher probability of collecting the necessary neighborhood bandwidth utilization information. Are there any mechanisms for estimating neighborhood traffic levels at = present? Any existing signaling or protocols with respect to this point = now?=20 Question on Sec. 6. A node that agrees to satisfy delay constraints has to measure the average time it is currently requiring to forward a data packet, including processing time, average queuing delays and propagation delays. Is back-off time included in the average queuing delays? Note a packet = may experience both queuing delay due to packet(s) in front of it and = back-off delay due to contention from other nodes. =20 Thanks for any clarification.=20 Best regards Frank -----Original Message----- From: Marcin Michalak [mailto:marcin@telscom.ch] Sent: 20. oktober 2003 12:07 To: Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group Subject: Re: [manet] Quality of Service for Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector Routing On 19 Oct 2003 at 23:37, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >=20 > Hello folks, >=20 > There is a new revision for the abovementioned draft. > It is available at the following URL: > http://people.nokia.net/charliep/txt/aodvid/qos.txt > and will soon be available as an Internet Draft > (individual submission). Of course, this is a > very difficult area, generally, and so in order > to get the control signaling right but leave room > for a much more general parameter request mechanism, > a "QoS Object" format is defined in the draft to > allow for future possibilities. >=20 > Regards, > Charlie P. Hello, I read the draft and it should work ;-) A small typo in the introduction: 'When a source (is) needs a route' Otherwise OK. What I'm not understanding completely is how the flows are=20 distinguished from each other. I see that there's the triplet: - source IP address - destination IP address - Session ID But if we have 2 different flows between same source/destination=20 pair, let's say one with QoS requirements, the other one without: how=20 are they sent? I may not understand the mechanism completely, but I=20 thought when the route is established the routing packets are not=20 sent anymore, so where is the session ID carried? I'd be grateful for the clarification. Regards, Marcin ---------------------------------------------------------- Marcin Michalak Research Engineer Mobile: +41 79 330 83 51 Telscom AG =09 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 18:33:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11575 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABiaZ-0002YK-Vq for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9KMXNPb009806 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABiaZ-0002Y5-RM for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11506 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABiaW-0002V4-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:20 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABiaW-0002V1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:20 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABiaE-0002PE-2Q; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:33:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABiZO-0002Dy-VK for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:32:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11408 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT) From: sanjay.ramaswamy@ndsu.nodak.edu Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABiZL-0002TW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:32:07 -0400 Received: from smtp1.nodak.edu ([134.129.111.50]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABiZL-0002TS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:32:07 -0400 Received: from ndsu.nodak.edu (webmail1.ndsu.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.141]) by smtp1.nodak.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9KMW5B28212 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:32:05 -0500 Received: from 134.129.125.240 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sanjay.ramaswamy) by webmail.ndsu.nodak.edu with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:32:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33312.134.129.125.240.1066689125.squirrel@webmail.ndsu.nodak.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:32:05 -0500 (CDT) To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] Implimentation of Blackhole Node in Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Has anybody implemented "Blackhole nodes" in Glomosim. BlackHole Node: A maliscious node which drops all data packets resulting in a Denial of Service attack. I am trying to simulate DoS attack on ad-hoc networks and was interested in knowing if anybody has already worked on it or anything similar to that. Aslo, is there any other way of making specific nodes drop all data packets, within the current simulation. Any related info is appreciated. Thanks. Sanjay _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 19:05:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA13013 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABj5Q-0005Di-PT for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9KN5GNZ020060 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABj5Q-0005DN-GC for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12991 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABj5N-00031h-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABj5M-00031e-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABj5D-00056n-Gc; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABj4V-0004nT-Gc for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:04:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12982 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABj4S-00031K-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:04:16 -0400 Received: from gehenna.ece.cornell.edu ([128.84.95.235]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABj4R-00031H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:04:15 -0400 Received: from dante.ece.cornell.edu (dante.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.81.140]) by gehenna.ece.cornell.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06151E8003; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Panagiotis (Panos) Papadimitratos" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] Implimentation of Blackhole Node in Glomosim In-Reply-To: <33312.134.129.125.240.1066689125.squirrel@webmail.ndsu.nodak.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sanjay, please see the following two papers - P. Papadimitratos and Z.J. Haas. "Secure Data Transmission in Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." Second ACM Workshop on Wireless Security (WiSe'03), in conjunction with ACM MobiCom 2003, Atlanta, GA, September 19, 2003. P. Papadimitratos and Z.J. Haas. "Secure Message Transmission in Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." Elsevier Ad Hoc Networks Journal, vol. 1, no. 1, July 2003 We propose and experiment with protocols to secure the data transmission against denial of service attacks. You can download the papers from the WNL website - wnl.ece.cornell.edu Best, Panos On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 sanjay.ramaswamy@ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: > Hi, > > Has anybody implemented "Blackhole nodes" in Glomosim. > > BlackHole Node: A maliscious node which drops all data packets resulting > in a Denial of Service attack. > > I am trying to simulate DoS attack on ad-hoc networks and was interested > in knowing if anybody has already worked on it or anything similar to > that. > > Aslo, is there any other way of making specific nodes drop all data > packets, within the current simulation. > > Any related info is appreciated. Thanks. > > Sanjay > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 20:02:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15191 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABjyX-0006xu-KI for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9L02DL8026774 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABjyX-0006xV-Aw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15178 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABjyV-0003ub-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABjyU-0003uY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:10 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABjyN-0006uP-4o; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABjyK-0006tn-1o for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15172 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:01:51 -0400 (EDT) From: skhattab@cs.pitt.edu Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABjyH-0003uH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:01:58 -0400 Received: from gomez.cs.pitt.edu ([130.49.220.20]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABjyH-0003uE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:01:57 -0400 Received: from webmail.cs.pitt.edu (gomez.cs.pitt.edu [130.49.220.20]) by gomez.cs.pitt.edu (8.12.10/8.12.5) with SMTP id h9L01wcd027455; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:01:58 -0400 (envelope-from skhattab@cs.pitt.edu) Received: from 136.142.20.237 (SquirrelMail authenticated user skhattab) by webmail.cs.pitt.edu with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4244.136.142.20.237.1066694518.squirrel@webmail.cs.pitt.edu> In-Reply-To: <33312.134.129.125.240.1066689125.squirrel@webmail.ndsu.nodak.edu> References: <33312.134.129.125.240.1066689125.squirrel@webmail.ndsu.nodak.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [manet] Implimentation of Blackhole Node in Glomosim To: sanjay.ramaswamy@ndsu.nodak.edu Cc: manet@ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, For a networking class, I did an implementation of the "blackhole node" for AODV in ns-2 along with an implementation of a watchdog mechanism for AODV to detect and route around these nodes. I will be happy to send you the code and the project report. Please let me know. Thanks. sanjay.ramaswamy@ndsu.nodak.edu said: > Hi, > > Has anybody implemented "Blackhole nodes" in Glomosim. > > BlackHole Node: A maliscious node which drops all data packets resulting > in a Denial of Service attack. > > I am trying to simulate DoS attack on ad-hoc networks and was interested > in knowing if anybody has already worked on it or anything similar to > that. > > Aslo, is there any other way of making specific nodes drop all data > packets, within the current simulation. > > Any related info is appreciated. Thanks. > > Sanjay > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > -- sherif _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 21 13:53:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28151 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC0h8-0000R2-TY for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9LHrMed001668 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC0h7-0000QI-DT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28135 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC0h5-0006iL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:19 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC0h4-0006iI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC0go-0000Ft-6r; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:53:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC0g9-0008KQ-HF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:52:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28109 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC0g7-0006hP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:52:19 -0400 Received: from xenia.media.mit.edu ([18.85.3.135]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC0g6-0006hL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:52:18 -0400 Received: from Neon (hotwire-21-86-ind.hotwireindia.com [210.7.86.21] (may be forged)) by xenia.media.mit.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/XENIA) with ESMTP id h9LHpwnA214399; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ankur Jain" To: Cc: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:21:01 +0700 Message-ID: <000501c397ef$54111750$155607d2@Neon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Call for Papers: Workshop on TCP and MAC Protocols in Wireless and Wired Networks Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please accept our apologies in case you receive this information from multiple sources. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- WORKSHOP ON TCP AND MAC PROTOCOLS IN WIRELESS AND WIRED NETWORKS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [In conjunction with The First International Conference on E-Business and Telecommunication Networks: IEEE and ACM SIGMIS] August 24, 2004 - Set=FAbal, Portugal Website: http://www.icete.org/index2.htm =20 THEME: ****** TCP protocol based applications dominate the Internet service. Many popular applications such as FTP, E-mail, Usenet news, Telnet and Rlogin are such examples. Though many improvements have been made over TCP protocols, there are still many problems. For instance, many TCP schemes exhibit high variability of transmission rate which may limit network utilization. Furthermore, previous TCP schemes were designed for fixed Internet and have encountered significant performance degradation over wireless networks. The interaction between MAC protocols and TCP performance is less understood. Application to satellite link can also suffer sever performance limitations. =20 This workshop will focus on current developments in modeling, simulation, and design of TCP and MAC protocols. Case studies are welcome. The workshop will provide a forum for practitioners, researchers to exchange ideas. Full papers that contain original quality work that has not been published or submitted elsewhere are invited. 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JIANKUN HU Workshop Chair School of Computer Science and Information Technology RMIT University Australia Tel: +61 3 99259793 Fax: +61 3 96621617 Email: jiankun@cs.rmit.edu.au _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 21 17:18:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10142 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC3tY-0002F0-Or for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9LLIOCK008613 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC3tY-0002Eq-Er for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10108 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC3tW-0002LO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC3tV-0002LL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC3tC-00029j-3O; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC3t7-00028c-EI for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:17:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10078 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC3t5-0002Kg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:17:55 -0400 Received: from phoebe.eim.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.74.4] ident=exim) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC3t4-0002KX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:17:54 -0400 Received: from duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.74.33] ident=root) by phoebe.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 1AC3sO-0004FF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:17:12 +0100 Received: from localhost (eem1tk@localhost) by duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h9LLHBu20250 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:17:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk: eem1tk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:17:11 +0100 (BST) From: Teng Kang X-X-Sender: eem1tk@duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-105.8 required=5.5 tests=BAYES_01,USER_AGENT_PINE,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Scanner: exiscan *1AC3sO-0004FF-00*dM9EYNGNeP6* (SECM, UniS) Subject: [manet] How to create two classes of traffics in GloMosim by changing CW Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear all: I am running the simulation for two classes of traffics for a mac protocol. I need to have two classes of traffics in terms of priority, lower and higher access priorties. The popular way is to change CWs for cooresponding prioities. I want to know how can create these two classes of priorities of traffics. Thanks a lot for your attention and advice in advance! KangT _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 21 23:10:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25300 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC9O1-0005C5-MN for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9M3AD2v019958 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC9O1-0005Bp-Gw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25284 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC9Nx-00073w-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC9Nx-00073t-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC9Nq-00058E-CJ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:10:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC9NF-00051m-DW for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:09:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25265 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC9NB-00073X-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:09:21 -0400 Received: from outbound03.telus.net ([199.185.220.222] helo=priv-edtnes14-hme0.telusplanet.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC9NA-00073D-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:09:20 -0400 Received: from joohans ([207.6.236.78]) by priv-edtnes14-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031022030850.IQRW5638.priv-edtnes14-hme0.telusplanet.net@joohans> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:08:50 -0600 Message-ID: <00c501c39849$bed54bb0$4eec06cf@joohans> From: "Joo-Han Song" To: "Manet" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:08:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C3980F.122E9540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] Ad hoc routing protocol and wireless channel Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C3980F.122E9540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, What extent has the design and analysis of ad hoc routing protocols = taken into account of the probabilistic nature of the wireless channel? 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Hi all,
 
What extent has the design and = analysis of=20 ad hoc routing protocols taken into account of the probabilistic nature = of the=20 wireless channel?
Can anybody give me an idea about this = topic?
Regards,
 
JH
------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C3980F.122E9540-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 05:21:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00331 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFB5-0007GU-K9 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9M9LFbG027925 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:15 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFB5-0007GK-FI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00308 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFB1-0002Wh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFB1-0002We-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:11 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFAr-0007Cp-Qu; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:21:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFA7-00075H-SV for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:20:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00291 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFA4-0002WG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:20:12 -0400 Received: from sam.comnets.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.186.10] helo=bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFA3-0002WC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:20:11 -0400 Received: from scoobydoo (scoobydoo.comnets.uni-bremen.de [134.102.155.152]) by bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with ESMTP id h9M9Imd11722; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:18:48 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de: Host scoobydoo.comnets.uni-bremen.de [134.102.155.152] claimed to be scoobydoo From: "Koojana Kuladinithi" To: , Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:16:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c3987d$360c8530$989b6686@scoobydoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Official Launch of the AODV.org web site Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, we are happy to announce the official launch of the www.AODV.org web site. It is a web site dedicated to the discussion and publication of open source software, papers, proposed standards and other news in the area of Internet mobile ad hoc networks. We are currently adding content to the web site, so any contributions are very welcome. Please take the time to have a look. Best Regards AODV.org team University of Bremen FB 1 - IKOM/ComNets Koojana Kuladinithi BSc, MSc Otto-Hahn-Allee NW 1 28359 Bremen - Germany Tel.: +49 421 218 8264, Fax: +49 421 218 3601, Mobile: +49 160 2690070 Email: kuladinithi@ikom.org koo@comnets.uni-bremen.de _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 05:37:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00969 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFQl-0002uU-Ol for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:27 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9M9bR7k011174 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFQj-0002ty-62 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00929 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFQf-0002hX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFQf-0002hU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFQL-0002eo-Rw; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:37:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFPg-0002Tf-Nq for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:36:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA00901 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFPd-0002ga-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:36:17 -0400 Received: from sam.comnets.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.186.10] helo=bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFPc-0002gR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:36:16 -0400 Received: from scoobydoo (scoobydoo.comnets.uni-bremen.de [134.102.155.152]) by bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with ESMTP id h9M9Z0d11825; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:35:00 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de: Host scoobydoo.comnets.uni-bremen.de [134.102.155.152] claimed to be scoobydoo From: "Koojana Kuladinithi" To: , Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:32:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c3987f$795862d0$989b6686@scoobydoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] UoB-JAdhoc release - AODV implementation in Java Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All,=20 We are glad to announce that we have completed the implementation of UoB-JAdhoc-0.1, an AODV protocol handler compliant to RFC 3561, released under the GPL. Source code can be found in www.aodv.org under downloads. The idea behind this implementation is for it to be able to run on any operating system. It requires the services of a packet capture interface = and a simple class to be implemented, to work on a given operating system. We have implemented the classes required for Linux and Windows. = We have tested this protocol handler in Linux and Windows 2000 (under = specific conditions). We have modularized this code in such a way that the packet capture/send = and the routing environment manipulation parts can be substituted with any = other code depending on the operating system to be used. The rest of the code, that includes the many timers required by AODV, are in Java, making it possible to work on any environment that has the JVM. So even = if this does not work as is for a particular OS, you still can hack the = code to suit you. We provide some basic documentation with the download. The code is documented to a greater degree and these are javadoc compliant. So without much ado, we request you to try this protocol handler and let = us know your ideas or bugs or whatever that you think about it. Please email your queries to the 'aodvimpl-public@lists.sourceforge.net' list or the given email addresses in the README of the download. =20 Thank you. Kind regards, Koojana =20 University of Bremen FB 1 - IKOM/ComNets Koojana Kuladinithi BSc, MSc Otto-Hahn-Allee NW 1 28359 Bremen - Germany Tel.: +49 421 218 8264, Fax: +49 421 218 3601, Mobile: +49 160 2690070 Email: kuladinithi@ikom.org =20 koo@comnets.uni-bremen.de=20 =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 06:04:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01547 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFqi-0001jv-Ak for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9MA4GOk006681 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFqi-0001jg-70 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01521 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFqe-0002tx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFqe-0002tu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFqX-0001g8-Lj; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:04:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACFqE-0001aT-VK for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:03:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01499 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFqB-0002tM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:03:43 -0400 Received: from [157.190.2.82] (helo=mail.cit.ie) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACFqA-0002t4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:03:42 -0400 Received: from eeb253w2k (unverified [157.190.41.175]) by cit.ie (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:02:32 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c39883$c136fd10$af29be9d@eeb253w2k> From: "JP O Grady" To: "Manet Mailing List" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:03:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3988C.20838740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] Security in IP address auto-configuration Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3988C.20838740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello I am looking at the problem of IP address auto-configuration in ad hoc = networks. 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Hello
 
I am looking at the problem of IP = address=20 auto-configuration in ad hoc networks. I am currently looking for = any work=20 that has been done on adding or enhancing security in the IP address=20 auto-configuration process.
 
Does anyone know of any material on the = subject?
 
John Paul O Grady
CIT
Ireland
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Hi all,
 
I am looking for implementation of = any slotted=20 MAC protocol  (TDMA, Slotted ALOHA, C-DAMA, ...) over=20 Glomosim.
 
Please Help me.
I will be grateful.
 
Omar.
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3994A.95CCEA50-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 13:41:51 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19244 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACMzA-0000bi-67 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:31 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9MHfSKc002328 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:28 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACMzA-0000bT-20 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19230 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACMz7-0000OP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:25 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACMz7-0000OL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:25 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACMyj-0000Vw-KW; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:41:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACMyW-0000US-S2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:40:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19180 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACMyU-0000NB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:40:46 -0400 Received: from reserv2.univ-lille1.fr ([193.49.225.90] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACMyT-0000N0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:40:46 -0400 Received: from malonne.lifl.fr (malonne.lifl.fr [134.206.10.29]) by reserv2.univ-lille1.fr (8.12.9/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id h9MHX5Va005601 ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:33:05 +0200 Received: from KRIEKOLD (diaoul.lifl.fr [134.206.11.140]) by malonne.lifl.fr with ESMTP id h9MHWXB03785 ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:32:35 +0200 (MEST) From: "David Simplot" To: , , , , , Cc: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:35:13 +0200 Organization: IRCICA/LIFL, Univ. Lille 1 Message-ID: <00ee01c398c2$ec283040$8c0bce86@lifl.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Immediate postdoctoral position in Wireless Mobile Networking and Embedded Systems Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please accept our apologies in case you receive this information from multiple sources.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D POSTDOCTORAL POSITION AVAILABLE IN WIRELESS MOBILE NETWORKING AND = EMBEDDED SYSTEM Universit=E9 des Sciences et Technologies de Lille Lille, France A postdoctoral position at the Fundamental Computer Science Labs (LIFL), Univ. Lille 1, France, is open to immediately hire a qualified = individual. The interested research areas are wireless mobile ad hoc networks and embedded system. The appointment is for one year (possibly renewable). For more information about research program, see: http://www.lifl.fr/RD2P Interested applicants should send a detailed resume including a list of publications, research statement with three references to: David.Simplot@lifl.fr, FAX: +33 3 20 43 65 66 (attn: David SIMPLOT-RYL), = or address given below Please feel free to distribute the information about this postdoctoral position to all colleagues who might be interested in. -- David SIMPLOT-RYL, PhD IRCICA/LIFL, Univ. Lille 1, CNRS UMR 8022 INRIA Futurs, POPS research group B=E2t. M3, Cit=E9 Scientifique 59655 Villeneuve d'Ascq Cedex, FRANCE http://www.lifl.fr/RD2P - http://www-futurs.inria.fr _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 15:25:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24069 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACObc-0007GN-8X for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9MJPG98027913 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACObc-0007G8-3s for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24059 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACOba-0001Up-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACOba-0001Um-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACObO-0007CR-6r; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACOb7-00079X-25 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24038 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACOb5-0001UU-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:43 -0400 Received: from smtp.polymtl.ca ([132.207.4.11] ident=0) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACOb4-0001UR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (c4.si.polymtl.ca [132.207.4.29]) by smtp.polymtl.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9MJOdF5013307 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:39 -0400 Received: from 132.207.133.23 ( [132.207.133.23]) as user abezz@132.207.4.132 by www.imp.polymtl.ca with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1066850679.3f96d9779558b@www.imp.polymtl.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:24:39 -0400 From: Abdellatif Ezzouhairi To: manet@ietf.org References: <20031022160004.15110.75812.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <20031022160004.15110.75812.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 132.207.133.23 X-Poly-FromMTA: (c4.si.polymtl.ca [132.207.4.29]) at Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:24:39 +0000 X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira Milter 1.0.6; VAE 6.22.0.1; VDF 6.22.0.13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] auto-confguration with opnet ? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, did someone already tried to implemente an ad hoc auto-configuration protocol with OPNET ? i need informations about that. best regards _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 16:03:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25286 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACPCK-0000lI-56 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9MK3Csp002922 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACPCJ-0000l3-Vo for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25265 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACPCI-0001vn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACPCH-0001vk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACPC9-0000fU-9H; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:03:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACPBp-0000c0-Ic for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25254 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACPBn-0001vZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:39 -0400 Received: from mercury.dgim.crc.ca ([142.92.39.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACPBm-0001vP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:38 -0400 Received: from ROGER.crc.ca (roger.dgrc.crc.ca [142.92.38.14]) by mercury.dgim.crc.ca (8.12.10/Bubba's Mail 0.2.6f) with ESMTP id h9MK1uSH018538 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:01 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022154958.00a7dd68@imap.crc.ca> X-Sender: lli@imap.crc.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:06:13 -0400 To: "Manet Mailing List" From: Li Li In-Reply-To: <003801c39883$c136fd10$af29be9d@eeb253w2k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [manet] service discovery draft Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , In the service discovery draft: draft-koodli-manet-servicediscovery-00.txt, the protocol description is focused on the reactive routing protocols. I'm trying to get the capability on the OLSR. Anyone there who is also working on that? Thanks, li li _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 22 18:31:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA02108 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACRVc-0000UG-VH for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9MMVGna001870 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACRVc-0000U5-Ri for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA02061 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACRVZ-0003TO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACRVZ-0003TL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACRVP-0000ND-P1; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACRVL-0000MM-73 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA02034; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200310222230.SAA02034@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: manet@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:30:46 -0400 Subject: [manet] I-D ACTION:draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector (AODV) Routing Author(s) : C. Perkins, et. al. Filename : draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2003-10-22 The Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector (AODV) routing protocol is intended for use by mobile nodes in an ad hoc network. It offers quick adaptation to dynamic link conditions, low processing and memory overhead, low network utilization, and unicast route determination to destinations within the ad hoc network. It uses destination sequence numbers to ensure loop freedom at all times (even in the face of anomalous delivery of routing control messages), avoiding problems (such as ``counting to infinity'') associated with classical distance vector protocols. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-10-22182516.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-10-22182516.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 02:57:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA05210 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACZPJ-0002c0-Vr for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9N6vHcP010036 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACZPJ-0002bg-Nc for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA05149 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACZPF-0002Ph-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACZPF-0002Pe-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACZP5-0002XU-2v; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:57:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACZOH-0002HA-SJ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:56:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA05141; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACZOD-0002PI-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:56:09 -0400 Received: from [129.254.16.14] (helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACZOD-0002P7-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:56:09 -0400 Received: from jafymobile (211.253.241.187 [211.253.241.187]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VCN88DRT; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:52:33 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'Alexandru Petrescu'" Cc: , Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:55:13 +0900 Organization: ETRI Message-ID: <000601c39932$a92b2f20$660010ac@jafymobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F96B480.2040906@nal.motlabs.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] RE: NEMO or MANET? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex, I am glad to receive your reply though it seems a bit late. Anyway, please see inline comments. > > HyunWook Cha wrote: > > Hi Alex, I apologize that my second comment on A-C-B seems to be > > repeated. Please ignore that. And, I modify my first comment. Since > > an MR which does not have global prefixes requests prefix > delegation, > > As long as manets or partitions (clusters?) of manets stay > separated from the Internet, they don't quite need global > prefixes, no? > Right. However, I assume that at least one mobile network prefix be assingned for a mobile network statically for normal nodes in a mobile network to be enable to communicate with normal nodes in another mobile network. In this case, duplicate address problem can occur. After all, without gateways, each MR should configure its global prefix autonomously. This is not considered in the MANET wg, though. > > MR_B delegates its prefix to MR_A in case A-(B-C) that I mentioned > > below. How about this case where one group(cluster or partion in > > terms of MANET) of mobile networks is connected to another group of > > mobile netwroks? (A->B)-(C->D) I think prefix delegation should be > > extended to propagate route information for prefix of one group to > > other group although prefix delegation is not needed. > > I would say that before extending prefix delegation to > propagate groups of prefixes in the form of routing > information, let's see first how prefix delegation works in > simple cases, draft-droms-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-00.txt > > > If so, why don't you use MANET routing protcols? > > Yes, using MANET routing protocols when there are many manets > or many manet partitions makes a lot of sense. I am not > knowledgeable enough on the manet protocols to know whether > any does address assignment (or address autoconfiguration), > and if not, maybe manet protocols couldl be extended to do > that too with DHCP. > Basically, any unique id or prefix for a MR is applicable since manet routing protocol exists. MANET wg views topology of a manet more unreliable than you NEMO guys do. Thus, address renumbering according to change of the topology is not suitable. > Thanks for comments, > > Alex > GBU > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 05:30:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA10012 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACbnR-0001sZ-0p for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9N9UK2l007221 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACbnQ-0001sO-JT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA09994 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACbnN-0004DM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACbnM-0004DJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACbn8-0001nX-Fb; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACbmG-0001bm-Br for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:29:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA09981 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACbmC-0004CV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:29:04 -0400 Received: from marfik.cc.upv.es ([158.42.250.61] helo=marfik.upv.es) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACbmB-0004CO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:29:04 -0400 Received: from pop.upv.es (maia.cc.upv.es [158.42.4.11]) by marfik.upv.es (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9N9SY9M027414 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:28:34 +0200 Received: from mx2.upv.es (mx2.cc.upv.es [158.42.249.55]) by pop.upv.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h9N9SXe08340 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:28:33 +0200 (METDST) Received: from nao.disca.upv.es (nao.disca.upv.es [158.42.53.70]) by mx2.upv.es (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9N9SXTa016614 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:28:33 +0200 Received: from disca.upv.es (msanchez2.disca.upv.es [158.42.53.165]) by nao.disca.upv.es (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with ESMTP id A703E1FE8B; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F979F88.7000506@disca.upv.es> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:29:44 +0200 From: Miguel Sanchez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031009 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.7.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] OLSR 11 implementation for win2k Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, One of our students has developed an independent OLSR v11 implementation for windows 2000. Source code and binaries are available at our group's website: http://www.grc.upv.es/software/index.html (It is not definitely a 1.0 version but closer to a 0.2) Your feedback is welcome. You may contact the author at jobarmar@inf.upv.es Regards, Miguel Sanchez Polytechnic University of Valencia, Spain _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 07:06:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA13005 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACdIA-0004eO-LT for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:10 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9NB6AAv017870 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACdIA-0004e9-Fk for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12979 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACdI5-0005P5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:06 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACdI5-0005P2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACdI3-0004d2-F8; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:06:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACdHE-0004XT-0H for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:05:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12965 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACdH9-0005OX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:05:07 -0400 Received: from [131.227.76.5] (helo=prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk ident=exim) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACdH9-0005OO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:05:07 -0400 Received: from duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.74.33] ident=root) by prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 1ACdGU-0003Sn-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:04:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (eem1tk@localhost) by duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h9NB4Qt11045 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:04:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk: eem1tk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:04:25 +0100 (BST) From: Teng Kang X-X-Sender: eem1tk@duck03.ee.surrey.ac.uk To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-105.8 required=5.5 tests=BAYES_01,USER_AGENT_PINE,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Scanner: exiscan *1ACdGU-0003Sn-00*/NmrLYtzWcQ* (SECM, UniS) Subject: [manet] Implementation for FTP and TELNET with low priority & CBR with high priority (fwd) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear all: I suppose to create two classes of traffics in terms of priority. FTP or Telnet can be classified as low priority traffic, which need to run in parellel with high priority traffic, CBR, simultaniously. I intend to realize this by changing their corresponding CWs or using different DIFSs for them in 802_11.h and 802.pc. I wonder how these traffics with different priorities can be existing simultaneously by do some setting works on802_11.h and 802_11.pc files. All your advice are welcome and thanks for your attention and help! Best regards kangt _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 11:09:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28001 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACh5V-0002iv-I3 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9NF9LmE010463 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACh5V-0002ig-7P for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27989 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACh5S-0001xw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACh5R-0001xt-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACh5C-0002f9-SA; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACh4p-0002c9-Cp for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:08:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27977 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACh4m-0001xg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:08:36 -0400 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr ([130.79.44.193]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACh4l-0001xd-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:08:36 -0400 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (patinet.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.90.172]) by dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9NFIhnu024126 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:18:43 +0200 Message-ID: <3F97EEF8.3070507@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:08:40 +0200 From: Christophe Jelger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org References: <90B421B4-007C-11D8-876C-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> <3F9008B5.11345.9AFC59@localhost> <3F8FF6CA.2030209@isr.umd.edu> In-Reply-To: <3F8FF6CA.2030209@isr.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] MANET charter / recharter Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To the chairs, Is this subject (address autoconf) going to be discussed at the next WG meeting in Mineapolis ? What about multicast routing in ad hoc networks ? Regards Christophe Manish Karir wrote: > Joe, Scott, > > Are address (auto)configuration issues on the manet charter/recharter?? > What about issues related with gateway operation (manet-terrestrial)?? > > -manish > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 11:31:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29342 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AChQf-0007H5-TV for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9NFVD06027960 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AChQf-0007Gt-O7 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29310 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AChQe-0002QF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AChQe-0002QC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AChQV-00078o-0w; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:31:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AChQ9-00073q-8y for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:30:41 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29263; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200310231530.LAA29263@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: manet@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:30:30 -0400 Subject: [manet] I-D ACTION:draft-nomadhoc-manet-filters-00.txt Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Filters for Mobile Ad hoc Networks (NOMADHOC) Author(s) : K. Kuladinithi Filename : draft-nomadhoc-manet-filters-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2003-10-22 Filters for Mobile Ad hoc networks (NOMADHOC) introduces a set of extensions applicable to a range of ad hoc networking protocols that allow an ad hoc node to distribute its active flows across multiple routing paths. These extensions are based on the filter structure defined in NOMAD to enable a filtering behavior at the originator and the destination nodes. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nomadhoc-manet-filters-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-nomadhoc-manet-filters-00.txt". 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Title : Extended Support for Global Connectivity for IPv6 Mobile Ad Hoc Networks Author(s) : H. Cha, J. Park, H. Kim Filename : draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2003-10-23 This document describes how to provide enhanced Internet connectivity to mobile ad hoc networks. To achieve this goal, we borrow the concept of Mobile IPv6 and make the most use of available multiple gateways. Specifically, our scheme makes a global address being used by Upper layer reachable by peer Internet node by registering another global address as a locator with corresponding gateway for the address being cared while the gateway can not obtain host route information for the cared address because of frequent partitions. 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Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Post your profile. --0-774360229-1066998117=:96315-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 24 10:21:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02486 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD2og-0006wm-BP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9OELQcD026696 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD2og-0006wV-22 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02402 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD2oZ-0003mz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:19 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD2oZ-0003mw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD2oI-0006nB-Cx; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD2nP-0006gp-Dh for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02331 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD2nN-0003lg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:05 -0400 Received: from redwood.kcl.ac.uk ([137.73.66.71]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD2nI-0003lY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:00 -0400 Received: from MONA (EE014.eee.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.10.115]) by redwood.kcl.ac.uk with ESMTP id h9OE5iDd020714 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:05:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <008801c39a38$ae6a3d30$730a4989@MONA> From: "Mona" To: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C39A41.0E4ACA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-KCL-MailScanner: Found to be CLEAN Subject: [manet] Size of network for a propoer flooding in ad hoc networks? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C39A41.0E4ACA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I want to ask what the relation is between number of nodes in an ad hoc=20 network and the network diameter. I use ns2 for simulation and the default value assigned to the network = size in "aodv.h" is as follow: #define NETWORK_DIAMETER 30 // hops To broadcast a message in the network, NETWORK_DIAMETER is assigned to=20 ttl of the header in "aodv.cc". // network-wide broadcast ih->ttl_ =3D NETWORK_DIAMETER; Now should I change this value according to number of mobile nodes in=20 my simulation? What is the relation between these two parameters? Thanks, Kind Regards, Mona ----------------------------------------------------------- Mona Ghassemian, PhD student Centre for Telecommunications Research King's College London Strand, London WC2R 2LS T: +44 20 7848 2596 F: +44 20 7848 2664 E: Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C39A41.0E4ACA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I want to ask what the relation is between number of = nodes in=20 an ad hoc
network and the network diameter.

I use ns2 for = simulation=20 and the default value assigned to the network size in "aodv.h" is as=20 follow:

#define=20 NETWORK_DIAMETER       =20 30      // hops

To broadcast a message = in the=20 network, NETWORK_DIAMETER is assigned to
ttl of the header in=20 "aodv.cc".

   // network-wide=20 broadcast
     ih->ttl_ =3D=20 NETWORK_DIAMETER;


Now should I change this value according to = number=20 of mobile nodes in 
my simulation? What is the relation = between=20 these two parameters?

Thanks,

Kind = Regards,
Mona
-----------------------------------------------------------
M= ona=20 Ghassemian, PhD student
Centre for Telecommunications = Research
King's=20 College London
Strand, London WC2R 2LS
T: +44 20 7848 2596
F: = +44 20=20 7848 2664
E: Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.uk-----------------------------------------------------------
<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C39A41.0E4ACA00-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 24 14:44:55 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22524 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD6vL-0007Sq-OW for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9OIiZDt028688 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:35 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD6vL-0007Sd-KF for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22493 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD6vI-0002UB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD6vI-0002U8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD6un-0007Ks-7o; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AD6uf-0007HI-K4 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:43:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22439 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD6uc-0002Rv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from redwood.kcl.ac.uk ([137.73.66.71]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AD6ub-0002Rr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from MONA (EE014.eee.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.10.115]) by redwood.kcl.ac.uk with ESMTP id h9OIWgDd011573; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:32:42 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <002501c39a5d$f9920c00$730a4989@MONA> From: "Mona" To: Cc: References: <008801c39a38$ae6a3d30$730a4989@MONA> <3F993BA0.4070805@inf.ethz.ch> Subject: Re: [manet] Size of network for a propoer flooding in ad hoc networks? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:38:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C39A66.581B1F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-KCL-MailScanner: Found to be CLEAN Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C39A66.581B1F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Thanks for your help. To my knowledge: Average_hop_length =3D 1/(n-1) * sum(from i=3D2 to i=3Dn)[ h(i)] ; where n=3D number of mobile nodes in an ad hoc network and h(i) is the = number of hops between source and node i. h(i) in turn is related to power transmission of the nodes.=20 However I am not clear about your point on " a side of your simulation = area". Do you mean number of mobile nodes in the network? Can you explain more detail on calculation of average_hop_length if I = haven't got it right? Kind Regards, Mona ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Val Naoumov=20 To: Mona=20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [manet] Size of network for a propoer flooding in ad hoc = networks? You should change (increase) it only if a side of your simulation area = is larger than NETWORK_DIAMETER * average_hop_length, where=20 average_hop_length depends on your simulation parameters, such as=20 transmission power, CST, etc (it's not set somewhere in the code of=20 aodv, you should estimate this value yourself). Otherwise, if the simulation area is smaller than NETWORK_DIAMETER * average_hop_length, then the RREQ flooding should=20 stop by itself, once every node forwarded the request. Cheers, Val -- Valeri Naoumov e-mail: Computer Systems Institute naoumov@inf.ethz.ch Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich web: Switzerland www.inf.ethz.ch/~naoumov Mona wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I want to ask what the relation is between number of nodes in an ad = hoc > network and the network diameter. >=20 > I use ns2 for simulation and the default value assigned to the = network=20 > size in "aodv.h" is as follow: >=20 > #define NETWORK_DIAMETER 30 // hops >=20 > To broadcast a message in the network, NETWORK_DIAMETER is assigned = to > ttl of the header in "aodv.cc". >=20 > // network-wide broadcast > ih->ttl_ =3D NETWORK_DIAMETER; >=20 >=20 > Now should I change this value according to number of mobile nodes = in=20 > my simulation? What is the relation between these two parameters? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Kind Regards, > Mona > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Mona Ghassemian, PhD student > Centre for Telecommunications Research > King's College London > Strand, London WC2R 2LS > T: +44 20 7848 2596 > F: +44 20 7848 2664 > E: Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.uk > ----------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C39A66.581B1F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
Thanks for your help. To my knowledge:
 
Average_hop_length =3D 1/(n-1) * sum(from i=3D2 to = i=3Dn)[ h(i)]=20 ;
 
where n=3D number of mobile nodes in an ad hoc = network and h(i)=20 is the number of hops between source and node i.
 
h(i) in turn is related to power transmission of the = nodes.=20
 
However I am not clear about your point on " a side = of your=20 simulation area". Do you mean number of mobile nodes in the=20 network?
Can you explain more detail on calculation of=20 average_hop_length if I haven't got it right?
 
Kind Regards,
 
Mona
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Val = Naoumov=20
To: Mona
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 = 3:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: [manet] Size of = network for=20 a propoer flooding in ad hoc networks?

You should = change=20 (increase) it only if a side of your simulation area
is larger = than=20 NETWORK_DIAMETER * average_hop_length, where
average_hop_length = depends on=20 your simulation parameters, such as
transmission power, CST, etc = (it's not=20 set somewhere in the code of
aodv, you should estimate this value=20 yourself).

Otherwise, if the simulation area is smaller=20 than
NETWORK_DIAMETER * average_hop_length, then the RREQ flooding = should=20
stop by itself, once every node forwarded the=20 request.

Cheers,
Val
--
Valeri=20 = Naoumov           =             &= nbsp;       =20 e-mail:
Computer Systems=20 = Institute          &nbs= p;        =20 naoumov@inf.ethz.ch
Swiss = Federal=20 Institute of Technology Zurich =20 = web:
Switzerland         =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;=20 www.inf.ethz.ch/~naoumov
=


Mona=20 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to ask what the relation = is=20 between number of nodes in an ad hoc
> network and the network=20 diameter.
>
> I use ns2 for simulation and the default = value=20 assigned to the network
> size in "aodv.h" is as = follow:
>=20
> #define = NETWORK_DIAMETER       =20 30      // hops
>
> To broadcast = a=20 message in the network, NETWORK_DIAMETER is assigned to
> ttl of = the=20 header in "aodv.cc".
>
>    // = network-wide=20 broadcast
>      ih->ttl_ =3D=20 NETWORK_DIAMETER;
>
>
> Now should I change this = value=20 according to number of mobile nodes in
> my simulation? What is = the=20 relation between these two parameters?
>
> = Thanks,
>=20
> Kind Regards,
> Mona
>=20 -----------------------------------------------------------
> = Mona=20 Ghassemian, PhD student
> Centre for Telecommunications = Research
>=20 King's College London
> Strand, London WC2R 2LS
> T: +44 = 20 7848=20 2596
> F: +44 20 7848 2664
> E: Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.uk = <mailto:Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.u= k>
>=20 = -----------------------------------------------------------
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I have discussed with the ADs that this might be an area that could be worked in MANET with close OSPF coordination (many of the design issues are MANET related).. The problem statement will be briefed likely at the OSPF meeting as well. -------------- The document has also been submitted looking forward from RFC 3651 and the authors have requested some discussion time. Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector (AODV) Routing, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt -------------- Other issues will be considered for discussion, an agenda is in the works, but we wanted to first make people aware of the above. -Joe _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Oct 25 06:43:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01987 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ADLt0-0000rb-IT for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9PAhAXB003313 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ADLt0-0000rM-Ds for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01970 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ADLsv-0003ki-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:06 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ADLsv-0003kf-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ADLsr-0000pI-NE; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:43:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ADLsf-0000mR-Of for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:42:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01966 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ADLsb-0003kc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:42:45 -0400 Received: from [203.199.93.15] (helo=WS0005.indiatimes.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ADLsa-0003jq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:42:44 -0400 Received: from 192.168.57.15 (a3 [192.168.57.23]) by WS0005.indiatimes.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20863 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:41:38 +0530 From: "sunil kumar vuppala" Message-Id: <200310251011.PAA20863@WS0005.indiatimes.com> To: Reply-To: "sunil kumar vuppala" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:06:43 +0530 X-URL: http://indiatimes.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] DSDV agent of MANET -Q Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi MANET & NS-2 users, good day! I am using NS-2.1b9a for simulations of security & routing aspects in MANETs. I have downloaded CMU extensions for NS. It provides ns-src/cmu/dsdv. And defaultly NS also provides DSDV folder with dsdv.{cc,h} etc.. has any body used this dsdv provided by CMU extensions for NS? & if I wish to create DSDV route agent for this ns-src/cum/dsdv version..what I have to do? Hope to receive your replies.. thanking you, regards, sunil *********************** Sunil Kumar Vuppala M.Tech(IT),IIT-Roorkee India - 247667 *********************** Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. 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Has any body worked on Security aspect using CDS (Common Dominating Set) for routing protocols in MANETs? Awiting your replies to proceed in my work on secure routing in MANETs using NS-2. Thanking you, regards, sunil *********************** Sunil Kumar Vuppala M.Tech(IT),IIT-Roorkee India - 247667 *********************** Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. 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=0A=0A --Next_1067145520---0-203.199.83.37-21313 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi,=0Ai am a final yr. student working on "simulation and evaluation of rou= ting protocols for ad-hoc network". i have finished studying some protocols= in brief, and also just studied a bit about using glomosim. =0A=0Acould an= y one guide me, what i can do next. =0Athanks=0A-jeelan --Next_1067145520---0-203.199.83.37-21313-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Oct 26 19:27:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06126 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ADvEA-0003Om-Gu for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:10:39 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: Subject: FW: [manet] I-D ACTION:draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:13:54 +0900 Message-ID: <001801c39c38$5a4886b0$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C39C83.CA302EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C39C83.CA302EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, folks. As far as I know, research works have been performed in Internet connectivity for MANETs continueously until now. I think that MANET wg members also consider this issue as important one to be addressed in the working group. My question is if this issue will be discussed in the 58th IETF meeting or not. Regardless of answer for the above question, I request comments or advices for the following draft submitted by me. Regards, HyunWook Cha -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:31 AM To: IETF-Announce: Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] I-D ACTION:draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Extended Support for Global Connectivity for IPv6 Mobile Ad Hoc Networks Author(s) : H. Cha, J. Park, H. Kim Filename : draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2003-10-23 This document describes how to provide enhanced Internet connectivity to mobile ad hoc networks. To achieve this goal, we borrow the concept of Mobile IPv6 and make the most use of available multiple gateways. Specifically, our scheme makes a global address being used by Upper layer reachable by peer Internet node by registering another global address as a locator with corresponding gateway for the address being cared while the gateway can not obtain host route information for the cared address because of frequent partitions. We introduce stateful auto-configuration for acquisition of global address in mobile ad-hoc networks because it can avoid duplicate address problem and help prevent traffics from going outside a manet or unnecessary control traffic by route discovery of reactive routing protocols from being issued. In addition, it can support for our scheme since our scheme requires some security guarantee to register a locator with a gateway as Mobile IPv6 requires for Binding Updates. Basically, our extended support and stateful configuration of global address are devised to extend AODV, but the concept is also applicable for proactive routing protocols such as OLSR, TBRPF. Further, our extended support can be useful for a mobile node(MN) in Mobile IPv6 to maintain its reachability from the Internet by utilizing multi-hop manet extension as a virtual link since it can help determine intelligently when current CoA should be changed and Binding Update with new CoA be performed while it can make the current CoA reachable from Internet even when the GW which assigned the CoA is not reachable from the manet node any more. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C39C83.CA302EB0 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="ATT00400.dat" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT00400.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-10-23110444.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C39C83.CA302EB0 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-cha-manet-extended-support-globalv6-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C39C83.CA302EB0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 27 05:16:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04909 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE4Q9-0007sL-Ax for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9RAGLl0030269 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE4Q8-0007s8-Fk for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04890 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE4Q5-0002Kz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE4Q4-0002Kw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:16 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE4Pt-0007po-N1; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:16:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE4Pj-0007oK-JW for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04877 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE4Pg-0002Ke-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:52 -0500 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr ([130.79.44.193]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE4Pf-0002Kb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:51 -0500 Received: from dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (patinet.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.90.172]) by dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9RAQ8nu000889 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <3F9CF062.5070207@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:16:02 +0100 From: Christophe Jelger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Draft update Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I submitted an updated version of our MANET ADDRESS AUTOCONF draft. It is available at the following address : http://clarinet.u-strasbg.fr/~jelger/draft-jelger-manet-gateway-autoconf-v6-01.txt We tried to reflect some of the comments we got from MANET members. Below is a short list of modifications from the previous version. I also give some answers to comments we got from MANET members. Regards Christophe Jelger ----------------- Main changes : - the exchange of GW_INFO messages is not any longer based on a DSDV-like protocol - the LNK 3 bits field has been suppressed - periodical sending of GW_INFO messages is only done by gateways - a node simply forward an updated version of the message it has decided to select to build its IPv6 global address --> this method leads to prefix continuity - different algorithms are proposed in order to update the selection of the upstream neighbor (the node from which GW_INFO is taken) Replies to comments of MANET members : - maintaining prefix continuity is very simple, it is inherent to the protocol operation itself - if a node decides to always choose the closest gateway (the F_DISTANCE algorithm), prefix continuity is still valid. The main drawback is that a node may have to frequently change its global address - direct "ad hoc" routing between nodes with different prefixes is allowed --> with proactive protocols, there would be a /128 entry for each ad hoc node ; for reactive protocols, a path accumulation paradigm as proposed in the new AODV draft would allow direct routing - prefix continuity avoids the need of a routing header - prefix stability (F_DISTANCE_STABILITY algorithm) does NOT lead to more frequent prefix changes : the goal is to minimize these changes ! - with proactive protocols and F_DISTANCE_STABILITY algorithm, routing may not always follow shortest-path to gateway (if shortest-path includes nodes with different prefixes) - with proactive protocols and F_DISTANCE algorithm, routing always follows a shortest-path which may be different than shortest-path computed by the routing protocol _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 27 09:59:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17401 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8pn-0002zy-Qb for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9REx7hK011525 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8pn-0002zo-NC for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17340 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8pl-00069S-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8pl-00069P-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8pi-0002yc-5m; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:59:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8pX-0002w8-U6 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:58:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17327 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8pV-00069B-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:58:49 -0500 Received: from mercury.dgim.crc.ca ([142.92.39.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8pV-00068s-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:58:49 -0500 Received: from ROGER.crc.ca (roger.dgrc.crc.ca [142.92.38.14]) by mercury.dgim.crc.ca (8.12.10/Bubba's Mail 0.2.6f) with ESMTP id h9REwISH028822; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:58:18 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031027095909.0304b380@imap.crc.ca> X-Sender: lli@imap.crc.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:02:39 -0500 To: Joe Macker , manet@ietf.org From: Li Li Subject: Re: [manet] Some IDs and discussion items for Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024174726.031d38f0@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , The service discovery draft draft-koodli-manet-servicediscovery-00.txt seems to expire soon, or already has expired? Is service discovery still a mandate of the working group? I have come across requirements for service discovery in manet in my project. So I'm interested in finding out the status of this draft . Thanks, li li Communications Research Center Canada At 05:53 PM 10/24/2003 -0400, Joe Macker wrote: >All: > >In planning for Minneapolis, there are a couple items we would like make >the list aware of. > >First off, some of the existing WG documents under EXP submission are >still progressing. We plan to review the status of those documents. > >Second, there are number of personal IDs that are related to some planned >discussions and I encourage people to review these (there may be others as >well). > >-------------- >The following relates to discussions on MANET-extensions and appropriate >interface design for OSPF (both v2 and v3 are possibly of interest). > >(1) Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions for Mobile Ad Hoc Routing >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-manet-ospf-problem-statement-00.txt > >(2) OSPFv2 Wireless Interface Type >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00.txt > >--also Fred Baker's slides from 2002-- > >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/02mar/slides/manet-1/index.html >-------------- > >Of the 3 docs above, the MANET-OSPF problem statement document and some >potential consensus is the most important discussion at this point. I >have discussed with the ADs that this might be an area that could be >worked in MANET with close OSPF coordination (many of the design issues >are MANET related).. The problem statement will be briefed likely at the >OSPF meeting as well. > >-------------- >The document has also been submitted looking forward from RFC 3651 and the >authors have requested some discussion time. > >Ad hoc On-Demand Distance Vector (AODV) Routing, >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-perkins-manet-aodvbis-00.txt > >-------------- > >Other issues will be considered for discussion, an agenda is in the works, >but we wanted to first make people aware of the above. > >-Joe > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 27 20:00:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA01799 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEIDl-0007Jx-L9 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:30 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9S10TKj028135 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEIDl-0007Ji-Gz for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA01781 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEIDj-0003DH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEIDj-0003DE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEIDM-0007GM-A7; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:00:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEICm-0007DX-1H for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01729 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEICk-0003Am-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:26 -0500 Received: from isrmail.isr.umd.edu ([128.8.111.5] ident=mirapoint) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEICj-0003Ai-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:25 -0500 Received: from isr.umd.edu (doh.isr.umd.edu [128.8.140.151]) by isrmail.isr.umd.edu (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with ESMTP id AJX55405; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3F9DBF68.8020503@isr.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:59:20 -0500 From: Manish Karir User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030708 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tinyos@millennium.berkeley.edu, manet@ietf.org, tinyos-users@millennium.berkeley.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] announce: ATEMU: Sensor Network Emulator/Simulator/Debugger Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, We would like to announce the availability of ATEMU: Sensor Network Emulator/Simulator/Debugger. Atemu is a software emulator for AVR processor based systems. Along with support for the AVR processor, it also includes support for other peripheral devices on the MICA2 sensor node platform such as the radio. Atemu can be used to perform high fidelity large scale sensor network emulation studies in a controlled environment. In addition, the atemu package can also be used in an educational environment to facilitate experimentation with sensor networks, without requiring the purchase of expensive sensor node hardware. It also offers a solution around the logistical difficulties of conducting experiments with large numbers of physical devices. Atemu can be directly used by developers of TinyOS related software as it is binary compatible with the MICA2 hardware. Though the current release only includes support for MICA2 hardware, it can be easily extended to include other sensor node platforms. It allows for the use of heterogeneous sensor nodes in the same sensor network. The atemu distribution consists of two components: the atemu emulator core, and the xatdb graphical debugger. The software and the tutorial can be accessed from: http://www.isr.umd.edu/CSHCN/research/atemu/ This is ongoing work, and we would be very grateful for any comments and suggestions on how to make it better and more useful. Comments,suggestions and bugs should be directed at atemu@cshcn.umd.edu thanks ATEMU Developers CSHCN University of Maryland _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 27 22:09:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05279 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEKEP-0007pv-23 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9S39Hhx030117 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEKEO-0007pc-Sn for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05272 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEKEL-0004eJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEKEL-0004eG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEKE9-0007oA-7s; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:09:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEKDN-0007lq-Tz for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:08:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05244 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEKDK-0004dp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:08:10 -0500 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEKDJ-0004dS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:08:10 -0500 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:11:28 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@10.13.72.82) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:11:28 +0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:04:18 +0800 From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org Organization: Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou, China X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] A simple question the DSR implemented in NS2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have read the Dynamic Source Route (DSR) draft. I want to do some experiments based on DSR with NS2. But I have a question. I wonder if the DSR implemented in ns2-2.26 uses the promisc mode. If yes, how can turn off the promisc mode. Thanks in advance. -- Hang Su. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 06:06:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16003 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AERfy-0003tJ-Uf for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:15 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SB6EoT014951 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AERfy-0003t4-Pz for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15992 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AERfu-0000YU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:10 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AERfu-0000YQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AERfm-0003rc-2U; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:06:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEReu-0003ox-En for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:05:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15937 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEReq-0000XA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:05:04 -0500 Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de ([217.72.192.165]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AERep-0000W4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:05:04 -0500 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id h9SB4YQ12451 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:34 +0100 Message-Id: <200310281104.h9SB4YQ12451@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Richard Wimmer " To: manet@ietf.org Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] SAODV Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, are there some implementation of the SAODV Protocol (PC and/or PDA)? Links available? Thanks in advance! Best regards, Richard ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Besten ihrer Klasse! WEB.DE FreeMail (1,7) und WEB.DE Club (1,9) - bei der Stiftung Warentest - ein Doppelsieg! http://f.web.de/?mc=021184 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 11:30:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA05936 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEWj0-0001LM-Di for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:43 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SGTg4R005160 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEWj0-0001L9-8M for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA05742 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEWix-0000BU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:39 -0500 Received: from sausage.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEWh1-0007lv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:27:39 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEWNZ-0008Po-Mo for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:07:34 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEWN3-00076z-QF; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:07:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEWM9-00070y-2n for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:06:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03653 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEWM6-00079P-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:06:02 -0500 Received: from web40613.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.150]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEWM5-00077X-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20031028160520.68752.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.204.100.226] by web40613.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:05:20 CET Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:05:20 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?redouane?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id LAA03656 Subject: [manet] Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I want to implemente a routing protocol for manet using GloMoSim. I look for documentation in order to guide me for implementation Thanks ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran=E7ais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 14:05:57 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17037 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZ9u-0002TG-Dg for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:38 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SJ5cFt009492 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZ9u-0002T1-9V for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17012 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZ9r-0004au-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:35 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZ9r-0004ar-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZ9L-0002QF-3d; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:05:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZ8b-0002NH-VO for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:04:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA16961 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZ8Z-0004a3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:04:15 -0500 Received: from [142.92.39.129] (helo=mercury.dgim.crc.ca) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZ8Y-0004Zo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:04:14 -0500 Received: from ROGER (roger.dgrc.crc.ca [142.92.38.14]) by mercury.dgim.crc.ca (8.12.10/Bubba's Mail 0.2.6f) with SMTP id h9SJ3gSH015392 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:03:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200310281903.h9SJ3gSH015392@mercury.dgim.crc.ca> X-Sender: lli@mail.crc.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:08:05 -0500 To: manet@ietf.org From: Li Li Subject: [manet] A few RFC 3626 OLSR questions In-Reply-To: <3F9CF062.5070207@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I have a few questions on RFC 3626 OLSR. Your help is much appreciated. (1) MID message. For a node with multiple interfaces, is the MID sent on each interface, or only on one interface? I don't see anything in the RFC saying about this. I may have missed it. (2) In section 6.1, Hello message format, under one "link code" we may have multiple "neighbor interface addresses", does it mean that if several neighbors have the same "link type" and "neighbor type", you'd summarize them and place them all under the same link code? One link can have only one neighbor interface address as defined in the link set, is that right? (3) When a node just comes up, its link set and neighbor set all empty, the node is sending the first Hello message. What should it send in this message? Only the message header, no body? Or in the body place Htime, willingness and link code of "UNSPEC_LINK, NOT_NEIGH"? Thanks, li li _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 14:52:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19363 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsx-0000vr-Tr for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SJqB9g003576 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsx-0000vb-On for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19321 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsu-0005O0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsu-0005Nx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZso-0000qS-LW; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsl-0000q0-9U for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19317 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsi-0005Nn-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:56 -0500 Received: from gehenna.ece.cornell.edu ([128.84.95.235]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsh-0005Nk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:55 -0500 Received: from verdi (verdi.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.210.27]) by gehenna.ece.cornell.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1FD1E8003; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:50:20 -0500 (EST) From: "haas@ece.cornell.edu" To: =?iso-8859-1?q?redouane?= Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Glomosim In-Reply-To: <20031028160520.68752.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, [iso-8859-1] redouane wrote: > I want to implemente a routing protocol for manet using GloMoSim. > I look for documentation in order to guide me for implementation For Glomosim implementation of ZRP, see: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu/wnlprojects.html#adhoc_software Zygmunt. ===--==== ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas Wireless Networks Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu School of Electrical Engineering Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas@ece.cornell.edu U.S.A WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 04:10:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29282 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEmLL-0005KX-An for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9T9AJe9020482 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEmLK-0005KH-Qc for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29255 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEmLH-0004iD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEmLH-0004iA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEmL8-0005Fw-0v; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:10:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEmKm-0005Cs-4J for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:09:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29234 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEmKj-0004hR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:09:41 -0500 Received: from smtp1.bae.co.uk ([20.138.254.61]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEmKi-0004h4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:09:40 -0500 Received: from ngbaux (ngbaux.msd.bae.co.uk [141.245.68.234]) by smtp1.bae.co.uk (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id h9T98sF21375 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:08:54 GMT Received: from bsrsmtp02.ng.bae.co.uk ([141.245.68.242]) by ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk (PMDF V5.2-33 #44998) with SMTP id <0HNI00BP8HDL9F@ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk> for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:08:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from glkms0001.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.1]) by 141.245.68.242 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite for SMTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:08:49 +0000 Received: from glkms0008.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.8]) by glkms0001.GREENLNK.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:08:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:08:52 +0000 From: "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" Subject: RE: [manet] A few RFC 3626 OLSR questions To: manet@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-Topic: [manet] A few RFC 3626 OLSR questions Thread-Index: AcOdhqFbG5kH2pwyTUCPpyI2UgCPmwAdCopA content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2003 09:08:52.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[45EAA1B0:01C39DFC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I have a few questions on RFC 3626 OLSR. Your help is much appreciated. Well, my answers aren't official, and I'm not going to justify them with specific references to the RFC. However I have implemented it, so I know something about it. > (1) MID message. For a node with multiple interfaces, is the MID sent on > each interface, or > only on one interface? I don't see anything in the RFC saying about this.= I > may have missed it.=20 It certainly needs sending on all interfaces. It's quite straightforward to derive an example where the protocol breaks if you don't do this. > (2) In section 6.1, Hello message format, under one "link code" we may > have multiple=20 > "neighbor interface addresses", does it mean that if several neighbors= have > the same > "link type" and "neighbor type", you'd summarize them and place them all > under the same link code? That's the efficient (in terms of HELLO message size) way to do it. > One link can have only one neighbor interface address as defined in the > link set, is that right? If I understand your question correctly, yes, but I'm not 100% certain what the issue is here. > (3) When a node just comes up, its link set and neighbor set all empty,= the > node is=20 > sending the first Hello message. What should it send in this message?= Only > the message > header, no body? Or in the body place Htime, willingness and link code of= =20 > "UNSPEC_LINK, NOT_NEIGH"? You need the Htime and willingness. However you don't need any link codes. The message size (for IPv4 addresses) will then be 16, and if this is the only message in the packet, the packet size will then be 20. ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 06:21:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03288 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEoO3-0003nF-U4 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9TBLFXC014577 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEoO3-0003n2-PV for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03265 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEoNz-0006Kb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEoNz-0006KX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEoNr-0003gk-Em; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:21:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEoN2-0003dI-Hf for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:20:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03249 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEoMy-0006K3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:20:08 -0500 Received: from acbb4829.ipt.aol.com ([172.187.72.41] helo=serwerus) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEoMx-0006Jx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:20:07 -0500 Received: From kundell (unverified [192.168.0.2]) by SMTP Server [192.168.0.1] (WinGate SMTP Receiver v5.0.4) with SMTP id <0000000003@serwerus>; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:16:33 +0000 Message-ID: <009901c39e0e$cd18c830$0200a8c0@kundell> From: "Grzegorz Jablonski" To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:21:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Reliability of links in 802.11 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have a question about reliability of communication in 802.11 based ad hoc networks. Specifically, there is a difference in reliability between broacast and multicast communication. I'm modelling communication in ad hoc networks. Broadcast is unreliable, with no failure notification. That is, after node sends a packet, that packet may get lost for any reason, and the application layer will not get any notification from the underlying network layers. For unicast ( assuming that sender an receiver are in comm range ) it could be either 1) fully reliable 2) unreliable with failure notification to app layer 3) unreliable without failure notification to app layer It seems like 2 is reasonable, since unicast uses the protocol with acknowledgements. How is that with unicast messagges? Can link failure be sensed? Or, in case of unsuccessfull communication, will the application layer be aware of it? 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manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:40:34 -0500 Received: from [129.254.114.50] (helo=pec.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEpcn-0007gr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:40:34 -0500 Received: from paulnb (paul3.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.196]) by pec.etri.re.kr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9TCso5l008722; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:54:50 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <006301c39e19$9f0fce10$c470fe81@etri.re.kr> From: "Jaehoon Paul Jeong" To: "Marcus Fischer" Cc: "MANET WG" References: <20031029055932.22638.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:38:56 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C39E65.0E3E8650" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] Re: MANET Comments on requirements for IP Address Autoconfiguration Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org 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field of MANETs. i have decided to do simulation of manets and discussing some security issues in these ad hoc networks. i would like to know using which tool can we simulate MANET . i have decided to use Net Cracker Professional whether can i use this tool to simulate MANET. since i am not well versed in NetCracker PRof i am sure about this. so will anyone please let me know about this.. i would be really grateful to everyone if they could helpme out. regards, vishak __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 09:44:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09604 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AErYQ-0006R3-Qu for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9TEiAbG024731 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AErYQ-0006Qo-Ls for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09577 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AErYO-0001ny-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AErYO-0001nv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AErYH-0006MD-F0; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:44:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AErY5-0006LM-9I for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:43:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09574 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AErY3-0001ns-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:43:47 -0500 Received: from mercury.dgim.crc.ca ([142.92.39.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AErY2-0001ne-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:43:46 -0500 Received: from ROGER (roger.dgrc.crc.ca [142.92.38.14]) by mercury.dgim.crc.ca (8.12.10/Bubba's Mail 0.2.6f) with SMTP id h9TEh6SH026179; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200310291443.h9TEh6SH026179@mercury.dgim.crc.ca> X-Sender: lli@mail.crc.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:47:29 -0500 To: "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" , manet@ietf.org From: Li Li Subject: RE: [manet] A few RFC 3626 OLSR questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Thanks a lot for your reply and help out on these questions. Very clear to me now. At 09:08 AM 10/29/2003 +0000, Dearlove, Chris (UK) wrote: >> One link can have only one neighbor interface address as defined in the >> link set, is that right? > >If I understand your question correctly, yes, but I'm not 100% certain >what the issue is here. There isn't an big issue. Just when I saw in the spec that multiple "neighbor interface addresses" are placed under one link code, I was trying to figure out in what cases you'd have multiple neightbor interface addresses under a single link code. Certainly multiple neightbor interface addresses can't be under one link. Then it'd mean the "summary" approach. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 14:57:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01655 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwRX-0004MY-Vs for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9TJvNLT016769 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwRX-0004MO-Sp for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01642 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwRV-0001wE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwRU-0001wB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwRC-0004Jb-Qt; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwQw-0004IL-P7 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:56:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01627 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwQt-0001vl-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:56:43 -0500 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwQt-0001vi-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:56:43 -0500 Received: from yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu (yosemite [128.111.40.103]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9TJuf218675 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Belding-Royer To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1067457403.32664.65.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 29 Oct 2003 11:56:44 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Mobihoc 2004 CFP! Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ====================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS The Fifth ACM International Symposium on Mobile Ad Hoc Networking and Computing MobiHoc 2004 www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/ May 24-26, 2004 Tokyo, Japan MobiHoc 2004 is the fifth of a series of annual meetings sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE, focusing on the latest research in the rapidly growing area of mobile ad hoc networking and computing. The first MobiHoc was held in 2000 in Boston, Massachusetts, as a workshop affiliated with the MobiCom conference also sponsored by SIGMOBILE. Since then, MobiHoc has become a separate symposium, held in 2001 at Long Beach, California, in 2002 at Lausanne, Switzerland, in 2003 at Annapolis, Maryland, and now in 2004 at Tokyo, Japan. PAPERS: Technical papers describing original, previously unpublished research, not currently under review by another conference or journal, are solicited. In general this symposium is interested in papers that address networking or computing problems in the context of mobile and wireless ad hoc networks, ad hoc computing systems, and sensor networks, with the focus being on issues above the physical layer. Specific topics of interest include the following: * Routing protocols (unicast, multicast, geocast, content-based, etc.) * Media access techniques * Transport-layer issues * Hardware and software platforms, systems, and testbeds * Applications for ad hoc networks * Power-aware, low-power, and energy-efficient designs * Quality-of-service issues * Security and fault tolerance issues * Self-configuration in ad hoc networks * Processing and fusion of data in sensor networks * Location discovery and management * Timing synchronization * Distributed algorithms for ad hoc networks * Biologically inspired mechanisms * Ad hoc networks of autonomous intelligent systems * Analytic methods and modeling for performance evaluation * Cross-layer interactions, including between higher and physical layers * Other ad hoc networking and computing topics above the physical layer Please consult the program co-chairs Charlie Perkins and Leandros Tassiulas if you are uncertain whether your paper falls within the scope of the symposium. SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS: All submissions will be handled electronically and must be in PDF or PostScript format. Papers must not exceed 15 pages (US "Letter" size, 8.5 x 11 inches) including text, figures and references. The font size must be at least 10 points. Accepted papers will be published in the symposium proceedings. We will adopt a double-blind process for paper review, where the identities of the authors are withheld from the reviewers. Authors' names and their affiliations must not be revealed or mentioned anywhere in the paper or in the PDF or PostScript file. Submitted papers should describe original research, not published and not currently under review for any other conference or journal. Papers not following these guidelines will be summarily rejected. To submit a paper, please refer to the paper submission link at the conference website, www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/. Questions about the submission process should be directed to the Program Co-Chairs. TUTORIALS: Proposals for tutorials are solicited. Evaluation of proposals will be based on the expertise and experience of the instructors, and on the relevance of the subject matter for the symposium. Potential instructors are requested to submit a tutorial proposal of at most 5 pages, including a biographical sketch, to the Tutorial Chair, Maria Papadopouli by the paper submission deadline below. IMPORTANT DATES: Paper Submission Deadline December 11, 2004 Notification of Acceptance March 10, 2004 Camera-ready version Due March 25, 2004 Please visit the MobiHoc 2004 Home Page at www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/, or send email to the General Chair, Jun Murai or to for any questions or for more information about the symposium. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 15:22:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04043 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwpT-0007m2-F6 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9TKM7QD029882 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwpT-0007lt-AT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04022 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwpS-0002UW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwpR-0002UT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwpO-0007gv-GS; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEwp2-0007et-2p for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03996 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwp0-0002Tk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:38 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEwp0-0002Sw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:38 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2003 12:20:02 -0800 Received: from pacman.cisco.com (pacman.cisco.com [171.71.154.145]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9TKL6QZ017873; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:21:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Shahriar Rahman To: Elizabeth Belding-Royer cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Mobihoc 2004 CFP! In-Reply-To: <1067457403.32664.65.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: References: <1067457403.32664.65.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I think the submission date should have been 2003 and not 2004. Looks like a typo. Shahriar On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Elizabeth Belding-Royer wrote: > ====================================================================== > > CALL FOR PAPERS > > The Fifth ACM International Symposium on Mobile Ad Hoc > Networking and Computing > MobiHoc 2004 > www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/ > > May 24-26, 2004 > Tokyo, Japan > > MobiHoc 2004 is the fifth of a series of annual meetings sponsored by > ACM SIGMOBILE, focusing on the latest research in the rapidly growing > area of mobile ad hoc networking and computing. The first MobiHoc was > held in 2000 in Boston, Massachusetts, as a workshop affiliated with > the MobiCom conference also sponsored by SIGMOBILE. Since then, MobiHoc > has become a separate symposium, held in 2001 at Long Beach, > California, in 2002 at Lausanne, Switzerland, in 2003 at Annapolis, > Maryland, and now in 2004 at Tokyo, Japan. > > PAPERS: > > Technical papers describing original, previously unpublished research, > not currently under review by another conference or journal, are > solicited. In general this symposium is interested in papers that > address networking or computing problems in the context of mobile and > wireless ad hoc networks, ad hoc computing systems, and sensor > networks, with the focus being on issues above the physical layer. > Specific topics of interest include the following: > > * Routing protocols (unicast, multicast, geocast, content-based, etc.) > * Media access techniques > * Transport-layer issues > * Hardware and software platforms, systems, and testbeds > * Applications for ad hoc networks > * Power-aware, low-power, and energy-efficient designs > * Quality-of-service issues > * Security and fault tolerance issues > * Self-configuration in ad hoc networks > * Processing and fusion of data in sensor networks > * Location discovery and management > * Timing synchronization > * Distributed algorithms for ad hoc networks > * Biologically inspired mechanisms > * Ad hoc networks of autonomous intelligent systems > * Analytic methods and modeling for performance evaluation > * Cross-layer interactions, including between higher and physical layers > * Other ad hoc networking and computing topics above the physical layer > > Please consult the program co-chairs Charlie Perkins > and Leandros Tassiulas if > you are uncertain whether your paper falls within the scope of the > symposium. > > SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS: > > All submissions will be handled electronically and must be in PDF or > PostScript format. Papers must not exceed 15 pages (US "Letter" size, > 8.5 x 11 inches) including text, figures and references. The font size > must be at least 10 points. Accepted papers will be published in the > symposium proceedings. > > We will adopt a double-blind process for paper review, where the > identities of the authors are withheld from the reviewers. Authors' > names and their affiliations must not be revealed or mentioned anywhere > in the paper or in the PDF or PostScript file. Submitted papers should > describe original research, not published and not currently under review > for any other conference or journal. Papers not following these > guidelines will be summarily rejected. > > To submit a paper, please refer to the paper submission link at the > conference website, www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/. Questions about the > submission process should be directed to the Program Co-Chairs. > > TUTORIALS: > > Proposals for tutorials are solicited. Evaluation of proposals will be > based on the expertise and experience of the instructors, and on the > relevance of the subject matter for the symposium. Potential > instructors are requested to submit a tutorial proposal of at most 5 > pages, including a biographical sketch, to the Tutorial Chair, > Maria Papadopouli by the paper submission deadline > below. > > > IMPORTANT DATES: > > Paper Submission Deadline December 11, 2004 > Notification of Acceptance March 10, 2004 > Camera-ready version Due March 25, 2004 > > Please visit the MobiHoc 2004 Home Page at > www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/, > or send email to the General Chair, Jun Murai > or to for > any questions or for more information about the symposium. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 20:20:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18532 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Tw-0002Po-Dz for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9U1KC7Z009278 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Tv-0002PW-Hv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18517 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1Tt-0001xv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1Ts-0001xs-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Tn-0002Nj-S8; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1TG-0002Gy-7O for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:19:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18418 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1TD-0001w6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:19:27 -0500 Received: from engr10ras.eos.ncsu.edu ([152.1.21.12]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1TC-0001w0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:19:26 -0500 Received: (from jjun@localhost) by engr10ras.eos.ncsu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) id h9U1JRo15666; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:19:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:19:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jangeun Jun X-X-Sender: jjun@engr10ras.eos.ncsu.edu To: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20031028170004.16155.69795.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> Message-ID: References: <20031028170004.16155.69795.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear sir or madam, I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University. As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc), the current ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of entries in an update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple packets for one update. Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2. Your tip will be greatly appreciated. (I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this manet circle.) Regards, -Jangeun Jun _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 20:26:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18770 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Zy-0003av-OA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9U1QQBo013811 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Zy-0003ag-Iy for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18712 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1Zv-00022u-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:23 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1Zv-00022r-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Zb-0003NX-8T; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF1Yy-0003Hl-4i for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18672 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1Yv-00022D-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:21 -0500 Received: from hellmouth2.gatech.edu ([130.207.165.162] ident=postfix) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF1Yv-00022A-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:21 -0500 Received: from hellmouth2.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellmouth2.gatech.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DBE5A6FA for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gte393q@mail.gatech.edu) Received: from acmez.gatech.edu (acmez.prism.gatech.edu [130.207.171.28]) by hellmouth2.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28538A6F8 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gte393q@mail.gatech.edu) Received: by acmez.gatech.edu (Postfix, from userid 21503) id E4A2B4ECAE; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acmez.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86C74FE85 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gte393q@mail.gatech.edu) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: Young-Jun Lee X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [manet] Path cache in DSR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hello all, I have a question about the DSR route cache. Suppose that the route cache is implemented in form of "path cache" not "link cache". Then, what happens if a node A receives a RREP for target D saying B -> C -> D ? Obviously, the node A will cache a route A -> B -> C -> D. What about the paths to each intermediate node? Should A also cache the routes for paths A -> B A -> B -> C or does it cache the path A -> B -> C -> D only? Does anybody have an idea of this? Thanks in advance. Young _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 23:34:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA24488 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4Vg-0003Ze-LU for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9U4YCaZ013732 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4Vg-0003ZP-I0 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA24423 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4Ve-0004Ox-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:10 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4Vd-0004Ou-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4VV-0003Y0-Ss; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:34:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4V8-0003Wx-AP for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:33:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA24387 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: ma11@uow.edu.au Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4V6-0004O0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:33:36 -0500 Received: from evaki.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.68.32]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4V5-0004Nr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:33:35 -0500 Received: from evaki (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by evaki.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9U4XP7X007021; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by evaki.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:19 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h9U4XIA9003884; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:18 +1100 (EST) Received: from mirapoint.uow.edu.au (mirapoint.uow.edu.au[130.130.68.27]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.5.2) with ESMTP id 2135179.3858; Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:33:15 +1100 Received: from mirapoint.uow.edu.au (localhost.uow.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by mirapoint.uow.edu.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with ESMTP id ADN65027; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:12 +1100 (EST) Received: from 203.202.119.24 by mirapoint.uow.edu.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:11 +1100 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:11 +1100 Subject: Re: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? To: Jangeun Jun Cc: manet@ietf.org X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.3.7-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <25b4cf1.daba04cb.8166700@mirapoint.uow.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MessageID: 2135179.3858 X-EnvelopeFrom: 2135179.3858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jangeun, I am not sure why you want run such a large number of nodes. I dont think DSDV or any other proactive routing protocol would scale to such a large number of nodes, as the number of update packets would overwelm the network, not mension that your simulator would crash or run for a very very long time regardless of what simulation tool you use (NS, glomosim..etc). I dont know of any proposed MANET routing protocol proven to run such a large network. Regards, Mehran -------------------------------- Dear sir or madam, I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University. As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc), the current ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of entries in an update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple packets for one update. Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2. Your tip will be greatly appreciated. (I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this manet circle.) Regards, -Jangeun Jun _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 23:53:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25089 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4o4-00064P-JK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9U4rCON023327 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4o4-00064A-8Y for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25083 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4o1-0004gP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4o1-0004gM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4nt-0005uj-G2; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF4n5-0005ss-K9 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:52:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25073 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4n3-0004g7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:52:09 -0500 Received: from gladius.ece.ncsu.edu ([152.1.59.22]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF4n2-0004g4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:52:08 -0500 Received: (from jjun@localhost) by gladius.ece.ncsu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) id h9U4pnA09553; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:51:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:51:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jangeun Jun X-X-Sender: jjun@gladius.ece.ncsu.edu To: ma11@uow.edu.au, ppham@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au cc: manet@ietf.org, Mihail L Sichitiu Subject: Re: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? In-Reply-To: <25b4cf1.daba04cb.8166700@mirapoint.uow.edu.au> Message-ID: References: <25b4cf1.daba04cb.8166700@mirapoint.uow.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Thank you Peter, thank you Mehran, I appreciate your prompt reponses. I agree that 100K is somewhat unrealistic number. Then, how about 1K? (or hopefully 10K?) I need to compare the performance of a new algorithm with existing ones (DSDV, DSR, AODV, TORA and so on...). And I don't think it's a good idea to compare the performance only up to 100 nodes because of DSDV. (Other models seem to be OK... Why only DSDV?) I agree that DSDV is not scalable by its nature. But that's what we want to simulate. The restriction of 100 nodes is really painful. I mean it can be difficult to tell the difference with only 100 nodes. Can anyone please let me know if there is *any* version of DSDV model written in ns-2 that overcame the 100-node limit? Or, has anyone tried to modify the ns-2's "dsdv.cc" code to enable multiple packets per update? Regards, -Jangeun Jun >Hi >I dont think that you can manage to run such scenario realistically. >If anyone did, I am really interested to know. >BTW, I heard someone has run a network of 10000 nodes using AODV... > >Cheers >Peter Pham On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 ma11@uow.edu.au wrote: > > Hi Jangeun, > > I am not sure why you want run such a large number of nodes. > I dont think DSDV or any other proactive routing protocol > would scale to such a large number of nodes, as the number of > update packets would overwelm the network, not mension that > your simulator would crash or run for a very very long time > regardless of what simulation tool you use (NS, glomosim..etc). > > I dont know of any proposed MANET routing protocol > proven to run such a large network. > > Regards, > Mehran > -------------------------------- > > Dear sir or madam, > > I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University. > As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc), > the current > ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of > entries in an > update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple > packets for one update. > > Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am > looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2. > Your tip will be greatly appreciated. > > (I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope > that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this > manet > circle.) > > Regards, > > -Jangeun Jun > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 30 07:39:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19988 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFC54-0007Sn-MK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UCdE3K028683 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFC54-0007SY-Gk for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19960 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFC53-0002UO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFC53-0002UK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFC4r-0007QO-L6; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:39:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFC4d-0007Pk-VL for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:38:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19947 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFC4d-0002Tw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:38:47 -0500 Received: from wexford-2.cmcl.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.198.115]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFC4c-0002Tt-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:38:46 -0500 Received: from wexford-2.cmcl.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by wexford-2.cmcl.cs.cmu.edu id aa29075; 30 Oct 2003 7:38 EST From: Dave Maltz To: Young-Jun Lee cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Path cache in DSR References: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:38:28 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , In message , Young-J un Lee writes: >I have a question about the DSR route cache. >Suppose that the route cache is implemented in form of "path cache" >not "link cache". >Then, what happens if a node A receives a RREP for target D saying >B -> C -> D ? > >Obviously, the node A will cache a route A -> B -> C -> D. >What about the paths to each intermediate node? >Should A also cache the routes for paths >A -> B >A -> B -> C >or does it cache the path A -> B -> C -> D only? The DSR spec allows either implementation. In mine, I store only one route, A,B,C,D, but when I query the cache for a route I search for subroutes as well as full routes, so Query(C) will return A,B,C. The externally observed behaviour of the cache is the same for either implementation. Note that we also experimented with the "mobicache," where inserting the routes A,B,C,D and A,C results in the creation of (A,B) (A,C,D). My recollection is that the pathcache worked about as well as the mobicache on the scenarios we were using. Cheers, -dam _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 30 15:05:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08018 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFJ24-000534-9D for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:42 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UK4axT019400 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFJ24-00052h-0d for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07892 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFJ20-0001E6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:32 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFJ20-0001E3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFJ1W-0004mr-R6; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFJ1K-0004kF-T9 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07803 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFJ1H-0001Dh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:47 -0500 Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org ([192.160.51.75]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFJ1H-0001De-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:47 -0500 Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9UK3kbY011661; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9UK3jv4012661; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from kbrayer.mitre.org (129.83.64.59) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 4796238; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3FA16F1F.2090001@mitre.org> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:05:51 -0500 From: Kenneth Brayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jangeun Jun CC: ma11@uow.edu.au, ppham@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au, manet@ietf.org, Mihail L Sichitiu Subject: Re: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? References: <25b4cf1.daba04cb.8166700@mirapoint.uow.edu.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080100030405040900010007" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080100030405040900010007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jangeun You have another problem. Mario Gerla of UCLA, CS Dept., gave a talk in a panel discussion at Milcom 2002 pointing out that ns-2 is very slow above a few hundred nodes. He suggested Qualnet as a simulator for large networks and ran a 1000 node example of I think LANMAR above AODV(?). It took minutes. He said ns-2 would run for like days(?). Mario can probably give you better info. Ken Jangeun Jun wrote: >Hi, >Thank you Peter, thank you Mehran, I appreciate your prompt reponses. >I agree that 100K is somewhat unrealistic number. >Then, how about 1K? (or hopefully 10K?) > >I need to compare the performance of a new algorithm with existing ones >(DSDV, DSR, AODV, TORA and so on...). And I don't think it's a good idea >to compare the performance only up to 100 nodes because of DSDV. (Other >models seem to be OK... Why only DSDV?) > >I agree that DSDV is not scalable by its nature. But that's what we want >to simulate. The restriction of 100 nodes is really painful. I mean it >can be difficult to tell the difference with only 100 nodes. > >Can anyone please let me know if there is *any* version of DSDV model >written in ns-2 that overcame the 100-node limit? >Or, has anyone tried to modify the ns-2's "dsdv.cc" code to enable >multiple packets per update? > >Regards, > >-Jangeun Jun > > > > > > >>Hi >>I dont think that you can manage to run such scenario realistically. >>If anyone did, I am really interested to know. >>BTW, I heard someone has run a network of 10000 nodes using AODV... >> >>Cheers >>Peter Pham >> >> > > >On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 ma11@uow.edu.au wrote: > > >>Hi Jangeun, >> >>I am not sure why you want run such a large number of nodes. >>I dont think DSDV or any other proactive routing protocol >>would scale to such a large number of nodes, as the number of >>update packets would overwelm the network, not mension that >>your simulator would crash or run for a very very long time >>regardless of what simulation tool you use (NS, glomosim..etc). >> >>I dont know of any proposed MANET routing protocol >>proven to run such a large network. >> >>Regards, >>Mehran >>-------------------------------- >> >>Dear sir or madam, >> >>I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University. >>As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc), >>the current >>ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of >>entries in an >>update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple >>packets for one update. >> >>Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am >>looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2. >>Your tip will be greatly appreciated. >> >>(I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope >>that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this >>manet >>circle.) >> >>Regards, >> >>-Jangeun Jun >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > -- Kenneth Brayer Fellow of the IEEE M/S B312 The MITRE Corporation 202 Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 e-mail: kb@mitre.org tele: 781-271-5254 fax: 781-271-2841 --------------080100030405040900010007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jangeun

You have another problem. Mario Gerla of UCLA, CS Dept., gave a talk in a panel discussion at Milcom 2002 pointing out that ns-2 is very slow above a few hundred nodes. He suggested Qualnet as a simulator for large networks and ran a 1000 node example of I think LANMAR above AODV(?). It took minutes. He said ns-2 would run for like days(?). Mario can probably give you better info.
Ken

Jangeun Jun wrote:
Hi,
Thank you Peter, thank you Mehran, I appreciate your prompt reponses.
I agree that 100K is somewhat unrealistic number.
Then, how about 1K? (or hopefully 10K?)

I need to compare the performance of a new algorithm with existing ones
(DSDV, DSR, AODV, TORA and so on...). And I don't think it's a good idea
to compare the performance only up to 100 nodes because of DSDV. (Other
models seem to be OK... Why only DSDV?)

I agree that DSDV is not scalable by its nature. But that's what we want
to simulate. The restriction of 100 nodes is really painful. I mean it
can be difficult to tell the difference with only 100 nodes.

Can anyone please let me know if there is *any* version of DSDV model
written in ns-2 that overcame the 100-node limit?
Or, has anyone tried to modify the ns-2's "dsdv.cc" code to enable
multiple packets per update?

Regards,

-Jangeun Jun




  
Hi
I dont think that you can manage to run such scenario realistically.
If anyone did, I am really interested to know.
BTW, I heard someone has run a network of 10000 nodes using AODV...

Cheers
Peter Pham
    


On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 ma11@uow.edu.au wrote:
  
Hi Jangeun,

I am not sure why you want run such a large number of nodes.
I dont think DSDV or any other proactive routing protocol
would scale to such a large number of nodes, as the number of
update packets would overwelm the network, not mension that
your simulator would crash or run for a very very long time
regardless of what simulation tool you use (NS, glomosim..etc).

I dont know of any proposed MANET routing protocol
proven to run such a large network.

Regards,
Mehran
--------------------------------

Dear sir or madam,

I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University.
As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc),
the current
ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of
entries in an
update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple
packets for one update.

Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am
looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2.
Your tip will be greatly appreciated.

(I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope
that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this
manet
circle.)

Regards,

-Jangeun Jun


    

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--------------080100030405040900010007-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 04:01:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18203 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFV9u-0008S9-NK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:41 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9V91Ukx032492 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFV9t-0008Rz-Ss for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18192 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFV9r-00048m-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFV9q-00048j-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFV9W-0008NY-Rv; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFV9N-0008MF-PG for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:00:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18163 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFV9L-00048A-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:00:55 -0500 Received: from medoc.inf.ethz.ch ([129.132.178.200]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFV9K-000487-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:00:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by medoc.inf.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A877B31A; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:00:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from medoc.inf.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (medoc [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02717-01; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:00:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from lillian-ics.inf.ethz.ch (lillian-ics.inf.ethz.ch [129.132.134.2]) by medoc.inf.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EB4B319; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:00:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from inf.ethz.ch (bandos.inf.ethz.ch [129.132.134.103]) by lillian-ics.inf.ethz.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04070; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:00:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3FA224C5.9050300@inf.ethz.ch> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:00:53 +0100 From: Val Naoumov Reply-To: naoumov@inf.ethz.ch Organization: ETH Zentrum User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030831 X-Accept-Language: en, de-CH, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? ANSWER: Scalable ns-2. References: <25b4cf1.daba04cb.8166700@mirapoint.uow.edu.au> <3FA16F1F.2090001@mitre.org> In-Reply-To: <3FA16F1F.2090001@mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at inf.ethz.ch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth is right - the main problem not in DSDV code to ns-2 but in ns-2 itself. We modified ns-2 in order to improve performance results (runtime). Our modification of ns-2 is based on the idea of exploiting the limited interference of wireless communication. The modified simulator has simulated populations of up to 3000 nodes so far and works 2-20 times faster than the original version. The speedup depends on the number of nodes, the size of the simulation area and on the data traffic. The higher the number of nodes and the larger the simulation area, the better the runtime improvement (provided there exists sufficient data traffic). We presented the fast ns-2 in MSWiM 2003 paper: http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/940991.941001 Valeri Naoumov -- Institute of Computer Systems ETH Zurich Switzerland http://www.inf.ethz.ch/~naoumov Kenneth Brayer wrote: > Jangeun > > You have another problem. Mario Gerla of UCLA, CS Dept., gave a talk in > a panel discussion at Milcom 2002 pointing out that ns-2 is very slow > above a few hundred nodes. He suggested Qualnet as a simulator for large > networks and ran a 1000 node example of I think LANMAR above AODV(?). It > took minutes. He said ns-2 would run for like days(?). Mario can > probably give you better info. > Ken > > Jangeun Jun wrote: > >>Hi, >>Thank you Peter, thank you Mehran, I appreciate your prompt reponses. >>I agree that 100K is somewhat unrealistic number. >>Then, how about 1K? (or hopefully 10K?) >> >>I need to compare the performance of a new algorithm with existing ones >>(DSDV, DSR, AODV, TORA and so on...). And I don't think it's a good idea >>to compare the performance only up to 100 nodes because of DSDV. (Other >>models seem to be OK... Why only DSDV?) >> >>I agree that DSDV is not scalable by its nature. But that's what we want >>to simulate. The restriction of 100 nodes is really painful. I mean it >>can be difficult to tell the difference with only 100 nodes. >> >>Can anyone please let me know if there is *any* version of DSDV model >>written in ns-2 that overcame the 100-node limit? >>Or, has anyone tried to modify the ns-2's "dsdv.cc" code to enable >>multiple packets per update? >> >>Regards, >> >>-Jangeun Jun >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi >>>I dont think that you can manage to run such scenario realistically. >>>If anyone did, I am really interested to know. >>>BTW, I heard someone has run a network of 10000 nodes using AODV... >>> >>>Cheers >>>Peter Pham >>> >>> >> >> >>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 ma11@uow.edu.au wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Jangeun, >>> >>>I am not sure why you want run such a large number of nodes. >>>I dont think DSDV or any other proactive routing protocol >>>would scale to such a large number of nodes, as the number of >>>update packets would overwelm the network, not mension that >>>your simulator would crash or run for a very very long time >>>regardless of what simulation tool you use (NS, glomosim..etc). >>> >>>I dont know of any proposed MANET routing protocol >>>proven to run such a large network. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Mehran >>>-------------------------------- >>> >>>Dear sir or madam, >>> >>>I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University. >>>As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc), >>>the current >>>ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of >>>entries in an >>>update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple >>>packets for one update. >>> >>>Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am >>>looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2. >>>Your tip will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>>(I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope >>>that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this >>>manet >>>circle.) >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>-Jangeun Jun >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>manet mailing list >>manet@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> > > -- > Kenneth Brayer > Fellow of the IEEE > M/S B312 > The MITRE Corporation > 202 Burlington Road > Bedford, MA 01730 > > e-mail: kb@mitre.org > tele: 781-271-5254 > fax: 781-271-2841 > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 09:45:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00165 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFaWk-0006u5-Mu for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9VEjQum026531 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFaWk-0006tq-HM for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00112 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFaWi-0000yU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFaWi-0000yR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFaWN-0006q1-GP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFaWC-0006p7-WE for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:44:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00050 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFaWA-0000xC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:44:50 -0500 Received: from mintaka.isr.umd.edu ([128.8.111.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFaWA-0000uv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:44:50 -0500 Received: from clueless.isr.umd.edu (IDENT:karir@clueless.isr.umd.edu [128.8.111.127]) by mintaka.isr.umd.edu (8.11.6-20030924/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9VEh4213251; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:43:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: Manish Karir To: manet@ietf.org cc: tinyos@millennium.berkeley.edu, tinyos-users@millennium.berkeley.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] atemu mailing list... 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Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09594 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFdB0-0003r0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:10 -0500 Received: from vsmtp1.tin.it ([212.216.176.221]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFdB0-0003qZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:10 -0500 Received: from dell (146.48.99.96) by vsmtp1.tin.it (7.0.019) (authenticated as spagoni) id 3F98F9000039FDB3 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:34:38 +0100 Message-ID: <00cb01c39fd5$54861670$5dc68ac0@dell> From: "Carlo Spagoni" To: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:35:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] [DSR] problem with click DSR Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i'm trying to install and use DSR router of pecolab but there is a few problem my configuration.... redhat 9 with kernel 2.4.20 recompiled with support TUN/TAP (source kernel downloaded from www.kernel.org not include src of redhat) create a device dev/tap0 device eth1 wireless pcmcia dlink 650 with driver orinoco_cs click 1.2.4 with dsr support installed with option CC=gcc296 CXX=g++296 ./configure --prefix=/usr and used in user-level mode my file configuration ./configure-dsr eth1 192.138.198.93 ---- confiugre-dsr----- ifconfig $1 up ifconfig tap0 $2 netmask 255.255.255.0 mtu 1452 iwconfig $1 essid test mode ad-hoc rate 11M cd conf sed 's/AddressInfo(me0 / AddressInfo(me0 '$2');/g' template>temp sed 's/ethX/'$1'/g' temp>dsr-router.click after the configuration file i start click userlevel/click conf/dsr-router.click -----dsr-router.click--------- AddressInfo(me0 192.138.198.93); AddressInfo(my_ether eth1:eth); ktap :: KernelTap(me0/8); out0:: Queue->Print(to_kernel)->EtherEncap(0x0800,my_ether,my_ether)->ktap; out1::Queue->EtherEncap(0x0800,my_ether,ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff) ->ToDevice(eth1); dsr_class0::Classifier( 12/0800 0/FFFFFFFFFFFF,12/0800); dsr_class1::Classifier(09/C8 24/02, -); dsr_class2::Classifier(09/C8 24/03, -); dsr_class4::Classifier(09/C8, -); dsr_class3::Classifier(09/C8 24/06, -); dsr_class6::Classifier(0/FFFFFFFFFFFF, -); dsr_rt::RouteTable(IPADDRESS me0); dsr_reqt::RequestTable(IPADDRESS me0); dsr_ack::ACKTable; dsr_arp::ArpTable(IPADDRESS me0,ETHADDRESS my_ether); in1::FromDevice(eth1,1); in1->Print(Packet_in_device)->dsr_class6; dsr_class6[0]->Print(BroadHack)->GetEtherAddress->Strip(14)->Print(To_ARP)-> [1]dsr_arp; dsr_arp[1]->dsr_class0; dsr_class6[1]->Discard; dsr_filter::HostEtherFilter(my_ether,1); dsr_class0[0]->GetEtherAddress ->Strip(14) ->Print(Broadcast_Packet_in) ->CheckIPHeader() ->MarkIPHeader() ->GetIPAddress(16) ->MarkAdhocHeader(20) ->dsr_class1; dsr_class1[0]->Print(DSR_RouteRequest)->[2]dsr_rt; dsr_class1[1]->Print(Other_Bcast)->Discard; dsr_class0[1]->dsr_filter; dsr_filter[1]->Print(Drop_other)->Discard; dsr_filter[0] ->Print(My_packet)->GetEtherAddress ->Strip(14) ->Print(Packet_in) ->CheckIPHeader() ->MarkIPHeader() ->GetIPAddress(16) ->MarkAdhocHeader(20) ->dsr_class3; dsr_class3[0]->Print(Recvd_ACK)->[1]dsr_ack; dsr_class3[1]->dsr_class2; dsr_class2[0]->Print(dsr_rrep)->[1]dsr_reqt; dsr_class2[1]->Print(other)->dsr_class4; dsr_class4[0]->[1]dsr_rt; dsr_class4[1]->Discard; dsr_rt[3]->[2]dsr_reqt; dsr_reqt[1]->[1]dsr_rt; dsr_rt[1]->out0; dsr_rt[2]->[0]dsr_reqt; ktap -> Print(from_kernel) ->Strip(14) -> Print(from_kernel) -> CheckIPHeader -> MarkIPHeader -> GetIPAddress(16) -> [0]dsr_rt; dsr_rt[0]->Print(out_rtable) ->[0]dsr_ack; dsr_ack[0] ->[0]dsr_arp; dsr_arp[0]->out1; dsr_ack[1]->[3]dsr_rt; dsr_reqt[0]->EtherEncap(0x0800,my_ether,ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff) ->out1; ------------------------ after this i tested all test in conf directory and it's all ok i tried to ping two pc with 192.138.198.92-3 and it's ok i tried to transfer file in scp or ftp but the router do not responded, so i changed after configuration and before start click mtu to 1452 in tap0 device typing ifconfig tap0 mtu 1452 now i can ping, transfer file in scp, ftp and http mode, but after i transfered about 10mb the router stalled and the receiver pc crash with error "eth1: ERROR-110 Writing Tx descriptor to BAP" and i must restart. can you help me!!! regards, Carlo the use of my cpu is always 100% _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 13:41:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12591 for ; 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Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:41:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFeCk-0001MS-Tr; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:41:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFeBr-0001HD-Um for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:40:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12507 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFeBp-0004xE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:40:05 -0500 Received: from blaze.cs.jhu.edu ([128.220.13.50]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFeBp-0004xA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:40:05 -0500 Received: from Mercury (pelican.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.57]) by blaze.cs.jhu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9VIefEc028910 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:40:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "dholmer" To: Subject: RE: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? ANSWER: Scalable ns-2. Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:39:41 -0500 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Message-ID: <004901c39fde$5c43f720$e6dddc80@Mercury> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <3FA224C5.9050300@inf.ethz.ch> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This modification sounds great. Can you make a patch available for download or post it to the list? We've been running some large simulations recently and would greatly appreciate a speed boost. - David Holmer -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Val Naoumov Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:01 AM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Question: Scalalbe DSDV code in ns-2? ANSWER: Scalable ns-2. Kenneth is right - the main problem not in DSDV code to ns-2 but in ns-2 itself. We modified ns-2 in order to improve performance results (runtime). Our modification of ns-2 is based on the idea of exploiting the limited interference of wireless communication. The modified simulator has simulated populations of up to 3000 nodes so far and works 2-20 times faster than the original version. The speedup depends on the number of nodes, the size of the simulation area and on the data traffic. The higher the number of nodes and the larger the simulation area, the better the runtime improvement (provided there exists sufficient data traffic). We presented the fast ns-2 in MSWiM 2003 paper: http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/940991.941001 Valeri Naoumov -- Institute of Computer Systems ETH Zurich Switzerland http://www.inf.ethz.ch/~naoumov Kenneth Brayer wrote: > Jangeun > > You have another problem. Mario Gerla of UCLA, CS Dept., gave a talk in > a panel discussion at Milcom 2002 pointing out that ns-2 is very slow > above a few hundred nodes. He suggested Qualnet as a simulator for large > networks and ran a 1000 node example of I think LANMAR above AODV(?). It > took minutes. He said ns-2 would run for like days(?). Mario can > probably give you better info. > Ken > > Jangeun Jun wrote: > >>Hi, >>Thank you Peter, thank you Mehran, I appreciate your prompt reponses. >>I agree that 100K is somewhat unrealistic number. >>Then, how about 1K? (or hopefully 10K?) >> >>I need to compare the performance of a new algorithm with existing ones >>(DSDV, DSR, AODV, TORA and so on...). And I don't think it's a good idea >>to compare the performance only up to 100 nodes because of DSDV. (Other >>models seem to be OK... Why only DSDV?) >> >>I agree that DSDV is not scalable by its nature. But that's what we want >>to simulate. The restriction of 100 nodes is really painful. I mean it >>can be difficult to tell the difference with only 100 nodes. >> >>Can anyone please let me know if there is *any* version of DSDV model >>written in ns-2 that overcame the 100-node limit? >>Or, has anyone tried to modify the ns-2's "dsdv.cc" code to enable >>multiple packets per update? >> >>Regards, >> >>-Jangeun Jun >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi >>>I dont think that you can manage to run such scenario realistically. >>>If anyone did, I am really interested to know. >>>BTW, I heard someone has run a network of 10000 nodes using AODV... >>> >>>Cheers >>>Peter Pham >>> >>> >> >> >>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 ma11@uow.edu.au wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Jangeun, >>> >>>I am not sure why you want run such a large number of nodes. >>>I dont think DSDV or any other proactive routing protocol >>>would scale to such a large number of nodes, as the number of >>>update packets would overwelm the network, not mension that >>>your simulator would crash or run for a very very long time >>>regardless of what simulation tool you use (NS, glomosim..etc). >>> >>>I dont know of any proposed MANET routing protocol >>>proven to run such a large network. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Mehran >>>-------------------------------- >>> >>>Dear sir or madam, >>> >>>I am a Ph.D. student at NC State University. >>>As it's clearly shown in ns-2's DSDV source code (dsdv.cc), >>>the current >>>ns-2 DSDV protocol is not scalable. The maximum number of >>>entries in an >>>update packet is around 100 and nodes cannot generate multiple >>>packets for one update. >>> >>>Since I need to run very large DSDV scenario (100,000 nodes), I am >>>looking for a *scalable* DSDV model written in ns-2. >>>Your tip will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>>(I posted this question on ns-2 mailing list but no answer. I hope >>>that there is an improved DSDV model done by an expert in this >>>manet >>>circle.) >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>-Jangeun Jun >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>manet mailing list >>manet@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> > > -- > Kenneth Brayer > Fellow of the IEEE > M/S B312 > The MITRE Corporation > 202 Burlington Road > Bedford, MA 01730 > > e-mail: kb@mitre.org > tele: 781-271-5254 > fax: 781-271-2841 > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 14:47:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15703 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFfEr-0008UM-Po for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9VJlH97032626 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFfEr-0008U9-MH for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15684 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFfEo-00063M-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:14 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFfEo-00063J-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFfEd-0008P3-0J; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFfE1-0008KX-IR for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15654 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFfDy-00062e-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:22 -0500 Received: from hellmouth5.gatech.edu ([130.207.165.165] ident=postfix) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFfDy-00062b-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:22 -0500 Received: from hellmouth5.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellmouth5.gatech.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 503491D1A10; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gte393q@mail.gatech.edu) Received: from acmez.gatech.edu (acmez.prism.gatech.edu [130.207.171.28]) by hellmouth5.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366251D19BC; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gte393q@mail.gatech.edu) Received: by acmez.gatech.edu (Postfix, from userid 21503) id 034784ECAD; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acmez.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEC24FE82; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gte393q@mail.gatech.edu) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: Young-Jun Lee X-X-Sender: To: Dave Maltz Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] Path cache in DSR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Thanks for the reply. I have one more question. If the DSR route cache is implemented as you explain, and if a node wishes to select the shorted (hop count) route to a destination, it should search the entire route cache every time, which is not efficient especially in case there are huge amount of route caches. Is this true? Thanks. Young On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Dave Maltz wrote: > In message , Young-J > un Lee writes: > >I have a question about the DSR route cache. > >Suppose that the route cache is implemented in form of "path cache" > >not "link cache". > >Then, what happens if a node A receives a RREP for target D saying > >B -> C -> D ? > > > >Obviously, the node A will cache a route A -> B -> C -> D. > >What about the paths to each intermediate node? > >Should A also cache the routes for paths > >A -> B > >A -> B -> C > >or does it cache the path A -> B -> C -> D only? > > The DSR spec allows either implementation. In mine, I store only one > route, A,B,C,D, but when I query the cache for a route I search for > subroutes as well as full routes, so Query(C) will return A,B,C. The > externally observed behaviour of the cache is the same for either > implementation. > > Note that we also experimented with the "mobicache," where inserting > the routes A,B,C,D and A,C results in the creation of (A,B) (A,C,D). > My recollection is that the pathcache worked about as well as the > mobicache on the scenarios we were using. > > Cheers, > -dam > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 17:30:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23014 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFhmN-0007GS-2f for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:30:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9VMU3ZI027904 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:30:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFhmL-0007FV-BP for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:30:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23002 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFhmI-0000fI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:29:58 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFhZq-0000UB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:17:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFhJd-0003Q4-81 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:00:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFhJM-0003nK-47; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:00:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFhIL-0003i4-R1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:59:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA21950 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFhIJ-0000CN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:58:59 -0500 Received: from aun.it.uu.se ([130.238.12.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFhIJ-0000CI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:58:59 -0500 Received: from hamberg.it.uu.se (daemon@hamberg.it.uu.se [130.238.9.198]) by aun.it.uu.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9VLwunQ029932; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:58:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (henrikl@localhost) by hamberg.it.uu.se (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9VLwtO7015114; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:58:55 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: hamberg.it.uu.se: henrikl owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:58:55 +0100 (MET) From: Henrik Lundgren X-X-Sender: henrikl@hamberg.it.uu.se To: Carlo Spagoni cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] [DSR] problem with click DSR In-Reply-To: <00cb01c39fd5$54861670$5dc68ac0@dell> Message-ID: References: <00cb01c39fd5$54861670$5dc68ac0@dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Carlo Spagoni wrote: ... > device eth1 wireless pcmcia dlink 650 with driver orinoco_cs ... > "eth1: ERROR-110 Writing Tx descriptor to BAP" and i must restart. > This is an error reported by the firmware but is triggered by the driver. If I remember correctly BAP stands for Buffer Access Path and has something to do with shuffling data in and out of the card's memory. Try upgrading to the latest driver (some of the "BAP-errors" should have been solved in later versions). cheers, Henrik _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet