From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 1 01:19:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27224 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQhOw-0006v2-DY for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:19:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB16JIpZ026592 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:19:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQhOw-0006up-7q for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:19:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27213 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQhOt-0003iZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:19:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQhOs-0003iW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:19:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQhOf-0006o8-83; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQhOP-0006nh-Bl for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:18:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27207 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: manigandan_p@email.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQhOM-0003iI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:18:42 -0500 Received: from 205-158-62-67.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.67] helo=spf13.us4.outblaze.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQhOL-0003iF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:18:41 -0500 Received: from 205-158-62-146.outblaze.com (205-158-62-146.outblaze.com [205.158.62.146]) by spf13.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6B6561800D30 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:18:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 12452 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 06:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.93) by 205-158-62-146.outblaze.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 06:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 23470 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2003 06:18:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031201061812.23469.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.15.78.149] by ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for manigandan_p@email.com; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:18:12 -0600 To: manet@ietf.org Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:18:12 -0600 X-Originating-Ip: 129.15.78.149 X-Originating-Server: ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Difference between "Idle" vs "Receive" mode Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Most of the WLAN cards work in four different modes. viz. 1. Transmit mode 2. Receive mode 3. Idle and 4. Sleep mode. Could you please tell me the difference between Idle and Receive mode. How could there be a power consumption when a WLAN is in sleep mode ? Whats the difference between Idle and Sleep mode. Thanks so much, Manigandan -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 1 15:36:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28001 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQumO-0008HM-Ek for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:36:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB1KaOT3031821 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:36:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQumO-0008HA-6s for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:36:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27977 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQumM-00005b-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:36:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQumM-00005Y-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:36:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQum3-0008G1-GP; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:36:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQulU-0008E9-9W for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:35:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27955 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQulS-00005M-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:35:26 -0500 Received: from mta7.algx.net ([67.92.168.236] helo=chimta02.algx.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQulS-00004h-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:35:26 -0500 Received: from caic2 (ip67-89-211-170.z211-89-67.customer.algx.net [67.89.211.170]) by chimmx02.algx.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HP8007J7H62QX@chimmx02.algx.net> for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:34:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:35:32 -0800 From: Amit Kucheria To: IETF Manet Message-id: <1070310932.12788.4.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> Organization: Metric Systems Corporation MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-td7Mb+KJbhcKQkVctx/p"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Subject: [manet] reading SDL files Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-td7Mb+KJbhcKQkVctx/p Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. Could anybody suggest any software to read these files? Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 state transition diagram? Thanks. Regards, Amit --=20 .| Amit Kucheria |. ...| Wireless Systems Engineer |... .....| Metric Systems Corp., San Diego, CA |..... ......| www.metricsystems.com |...... --=-td7Mb+KJbhcKQkVctx/p Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/y6YUtLg6PvU36DYRAvl8AJ9rHp/g/uY7yC5imGMjk+vg+b6sCQCgsLJb gzhuPhv92LQ8IpA4aO0sptQ= =LS7g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-td7Mb+KJbhcKQkVctx/p-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 1 16:48:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02678 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvtz-0004mb-N5 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:48:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB1LmJ5V018379 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:48:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvtz-0004mM-Io for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:48:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02593 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvtx-0002Lp-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvtx-0002Lm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvth-0004l5-Up; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:48:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvtb-0004kh-8e for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:47:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02537 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvtZ-0002KY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:47:53 -0500 Received: from gateway.scalable-networks.com ([63.205.33.202] helo=mithrandir.scalable-networks.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvtY-0002Jt-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:47:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 6753 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from web.lan.scalable-solutions.com (HELO cs.ucla.edu) (sssmail@192.168.0.1) by mithrandir.lan.scalable.networks.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 21:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3FCBB6DB.4010604@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:47:07 -0800 From: Mineo Takai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amit Kucheria CC: IETF Manet Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files References: <1070310932.12788.4.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <1070310932.12788.4.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Amit, According to the readme, that SDL was generated by SDT (SDL Design Tool). The company changed the product name to Telelogic TAU SDL Suite. http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/sdl/ Mineo Amit Kucheria wrote: > Hi, > > I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. Could > anybody suggest any software to read these files? > > Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 > state transition diagram? > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Amit _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 02:42:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06863 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5Ax-0008EO-Ah for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:42:28 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB27gRpQ031629 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:42:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5Aw-0008Dz-Pa for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:42:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06833 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR5As-0002sm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:42:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR5As-0002sj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:42:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5AZ-0008CW-SG; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:42:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR59u-00085E-2w for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:41:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06776 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR59q-0002rp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:41:18 -0500 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR59p-0002rL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:41:17 -0500 Received: from jafymobile (6ants5.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.239]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id XP84582B; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:35:36 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'Mineo Takai'" , "'Amit Kucheria'" Cc: "'IETF Manet'" Subject: RE: [manet] reading SDL files Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:40:36 +0900 Organization: ETRI Message-ID: <001f01c3b8a7$935c1300$ef70fe81@jafymobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3FCBB6DB.4010604@cs.ucla.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you tell me very briefly what the SDL is? HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Mineo Takai > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:47 AM > To: Amit Kucheria > Cc: IETF Manet > Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files > > > > Hi Amit, > > According to the readme, that SDL was generated by SDT (SDL > Design Tool). The > company changed the product name to Telelogic TAU SDL Suite. > http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/sdl/ Mineo Amit Kucheria wrote: > Hi, > > I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. Could > anybody suggest any software to read these files? > > Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 > state transition diagram? > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Amit _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 02:46:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA07041 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5Eb-0000Jc-3b for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:46:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB27kCWY001211 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:46:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5Ea-0000JS-Kx for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:46:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA07010 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR5EW-0002wM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:46:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR5EW-0002wJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:46:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5EQ-0000Ej-Tu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:46:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR5Du-00008S-3I for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:45:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06995 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR5Dq-0002vf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:45:26 -0500 Received: from kiwi.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR5Dp-0002vU-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:45:25 -0500 Received: from cs.ucla.edu (Amber.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.120.73]) by kiwi.cs.ucla.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7/UCLACS-5.2) with ESMTP id hB27ioi21303; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FCC438D.4020505@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:47:25 -0800 From: Mineo Takai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jafy@etri.re.kr CC: "'Amit Kucheria'" , "'IETF Manet'" Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files References: <001f01c3b8a7$935c1300$ef70fe81@jafymobile> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3b8a7$935c1300$ef70fe81@jafymobile> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SDL: Specification and Description Language. http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/languages/sdl.cfm Mineo HyunWook Cha wrote: > Could you tell me very briefly what the SDL is? > > HyunWook Cha > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On >>Behalf Of Mineo Takai >>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:47 AM >>To: Amit Kucheria >>Cc: IETF Manet >>Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files >> >> >> >>Hi Amit, >> >>According to the readme, that SDL was generated by SDT (SDL >>Design Tool). The >>company changed the product name to Telelogic TAU SDL Suite. >> > > http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/sdl/ > > Mineo > > Amit Kucheria wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. > > Could > >>anybody suggest any software to read these files? >> >>Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 >>state transition diagram? >> >>Thanks. >> >>Regards, >>Amit > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 12:19:57 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28553 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREBU-000546-Rf for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:19:40 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2HJapd019466 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:19:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREBU-00053s-N2 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:19:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28511 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREBT-0004pc-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:19:35 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREBS-0004pA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:19:34 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREAv-00052j-UZ; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREAE-00051i-4A for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:18:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28415 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREAC-0004nB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:18:16 -0500 Received: from mta5.algx.net ([67.92.168.234] helo=chimta04.algx.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREAB-0004m3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:18:16 -0500 Received: from caic2 (ip67-89-211-170.z211-89-67.customer.algx.net [67.89.211.170]) by chimmx04.algx.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPA00GQM2PFOI@chimmx04.algx.net> for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:17:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:18:22 -0800 From: Amit Kucheria Subject: RE: [manet] reading SDL files In-reply-to: <6F5FB8313FE82C4EA10DA4DA40B90949A0BB08@swing.cefriel.it> To: Ivan Sartini Cc: IETF Manet Message-id: <1070385502.1233.0.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> Organization: Metric Systems Corporation MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-+VVZ/Ssm45KP0h/nmqDW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <6F5FB8313FE82C4EA10DA4DA40B90949A0BB08@swing.cefriel.it> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-+VVZ/Ssm45KP0h/nmqDW Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ivan, Get the specs here: http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html /Amit On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 02:11, Ivan Sartini wrote: > Dear Amit, >=20 > could you please send me those files (or the link where I can find SDL 80= 2.11 description files)? > Thanks a lot=20 >=20 > Ivan Sartini >=20 > -------------------------------- > Email: ivan.sartini@cefriel.it > Office: +39 02 23954 238 > Fax Office: +39 02 23954 438 > -------------------------------- >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Amit Kucheria [mailto:akucheria@metricsystems.com] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 21:36 > To: IETF Manet > Subject: [manet] reading SDL files >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. Could > anybody suggest any software to read these files? >=20 > Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 > state transition diagram? >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Regards, > Amit --=20 .| Amit Kucheria |. ...| Wireless Systems Engineer |... .....| Metric Systems Corp., San Diego, CA |..... ......| www.metricsystems.com |...... --=-+VVZ/Ssm45KP0h/nmqDW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/zMletLg6PvU36DYRAlUJAJ0QCVBU0Lt1L3zYOsqIlzc+x63IhwCfVUJr 81VgzVbeBrltAtw7KdQEwPM= =fHPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+VVZ/Ssm45KP0h/nmqDW-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 12:21:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28643 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARECy-0005OA-1m for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:21:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2HL8V4020708 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:21:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARECx-0005Nu-Nq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:21:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28618 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARECv-0004s5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:21:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARECv-0004s1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:21:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARECs-0005GX-8a; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:21:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARECT-0005F8-R8 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:20:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28574 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARECS-0004qu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:20:36 -0500 Received: from mta8.algx.net ([67.92.168.237] helo=chimta03.algx.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARECR-0004qV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:20:35 -0500 Received: from caic2 (ip67-89-211-170.z211-89-67.customer.algx.net [67.89.211.170]) by chimmx03.algx.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPA00AZM2T62N@chimmx03.algx.net> for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:19:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:20:37 -0800 From: Amit Kucheria Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20031202100610.01d22058@imap.antd.nist.gov> To: David Cypher Cc: IETF Manet Message-id: <1070385636.1233.3.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> Organization: Metric Systems Corporation MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-mhDVnwZIqBQfZSoCw7b9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031202100610.01d22058@imap.antd.nist.gov> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-mhDVnwZIqBQfZSoCw7b9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David, I tried that site already. I cant seem to get any of the "open" (read free) tools to work. And I dont think I want to spend $$ on buying a tool to read just one standard. /Amit On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 07:07, David Cypher wrote: > Amit, > Try the SDL Forum's web site: >=20 > www.sdl-forum.org >=20 >=20 > David Cypher --=20 .| Amit Kucheria |. ...| Wireless Systems Engineer |... .....| Metric Systems Corp., San Diego, CA |..... ......| www.metricsystems.com |...... --=-mhDVnwZIqBQfZSoCw7b9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/zMnktLg6PvU36DYRAqvyAJ9sbIPfHcihbhBn/ExULOPD1LJvNwCgkQcn dq3WpYzZ5T+USuVjXOX3DeY= =Y/KX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-mhDVnwZIqBQfZSoCw7b9-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 12:23:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28789 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREFB-0005qx-4N for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:23:26 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2HNPWP022493 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:23:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREFA-0005qi-UQ for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:23:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28755 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREF9-0004ve-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:23:23 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREF9-0004vb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:23:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREEp-0005ez-BV; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:23:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AREEK-0005cU-MO for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:22:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28699 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREEH-0004uA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:22:30 -0500 Received: from mta6.algx.net ([67.92.168.235] helo=chimta05.algx.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AREEH-0004tF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:22:29 -0500 Received: from caic2 (ip67-89-211-170.z211-89-67.customer.algx.net [67.89.211.170]) by chimmx05.algx.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPA001UX2WI2R@chimmx05.algx.net> for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:21:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:22:37 -0800 From: Amit Kucheria Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files In-reply-to: <3FCC438D.4020505@cs.ucla.edu> To: Mineo Takai Cc: "'IETF Manet'" Message-id: <1070385757.1233.6.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> Organization: Metric Systems Corporation MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-zai4+g34B6TrSl/AaY8C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <001f01c3b8a7$935c1300$ef70fe81@jafymobile> <3FCC438D.4020505@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-zai4+g34B6TrSl/AaY8C Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mineo, Thanks for the pointer. But I am not sure if I want spend $$ to read only one spec. Have you used other (free) tools to read these files? Regards, /Amit On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:47, Mineo Takai wrote: > SDL: Specification and Description Language. >=20 > http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/languages/sdl.cfm >=20 > Mineo >=20 > HyunWook Cha wrote: >=20 > > Could you tell me very briefly what the SDL is? > >=20 > > HyunWook Cha=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > >>Behalf Of Mineo Takai > >>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:47 AM > >>To: Amit Kucheria > >>Cc: IETF Manet > >>Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files > >> > >> > >> > >>Hi Amit, > >> > >>According to the readme, that SDL was generated by SDT (SDL=20 > >>Design Tool). The=20 > >>company changed the product name to Telelogic TAU SDL Suite. > >> > >=20 > > http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/sdl/ > >=20 > > Mineo > >=20 > > Amit Kucheria wrote: > >=20 > >>Hi, > >> > >>I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. > >=20 > > Could > >=20 > >>anybody suggest any software to read these files? > >> > >>Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 > >>state transition diagram? > >> > >>Thanks. > >> > >>Regards, > >>Amit > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=20 .| Amit Kucheria |. ...| Wireless Systems Engineer |... .....| Metric Systems Corp., San Diego, CA |..... ......| www.metricsystems.com |...... --=-zai4+g34B6TrSl/AaY8C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/zMpdtLg6PvU36DYRAlxKAJ9SEreHbU+ulGKvyQwO6cPjq16WLQCeNcJN 1fb34kNJ/52ypkTRifzayBQ= =JWhl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-zai4+g34B6TrSl/AaY8C-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 13:59:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02153 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARFjs-0001Ly-4s for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:59:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2IxCM9005196 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARFjs-0001Lj-18 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02112 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARFjp-0006C7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:59:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARFjp-0006C4-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:59:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARFjh-0001KS-KF; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:59:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARFik-0001J2-MV for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:58:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02027 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARFii-0006A9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:58:00 -0500 Received: from ics09.uncc.edu ([152.15.42.137]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARFih-00069c-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:57:59 -0500 Received: from ics09.uncc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uncc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6248B354BE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from carc210pc (carc210pc.uncc.edu [152.15.23.11]) by ics09.uncc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 69A303573E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Asis Nasipuri" To: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c3b906$303f4120$0b170f98@uncc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Reminder: CFP for MWN'04 Workshop Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Extended Abstracts are due: December 6, 2003. Dr. Asis Nasipuri MWN'04 Chair Electrical & Computer Engineering The University of North Carolina at Charlotte 9201 University City Blvd Charlotte, NC 28223-0001 Phone: 704-687-3876 Fax: 704-687-2352 URL: www.ece.uncc.edu/~anasipur *********************Call for Papers************************ ********** WORKSHOP ON MULTIHOP WIRELESS NETWORKS ********** in conjunction with 23rd IEEE International Performance Computing and Communications Conference (IPCCC) April 14-17, 2004, Phoenix, Arizona PROGRAM CHAIR: Asis Nasipuri, University of North Carolina at Charlotte. (anasipur@uncc.edu) PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Guohong Cao, Penn. State University Samir R. Das, SUNY at Stony Brook Janelle Harms, University of Alberta Ekram Hossain, University of Manitoba Gavin Holland, HRL Labs Shivkumar Kalyanaraman, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Rajgopal Kannan, Louisiana State University Young-Bae Ko, Ajou University, Korea Kai Li, Eastern Carolina University Qilian Liang, University of Texas at Arlington Dilip Sarkar, University of Miami Chien-Chung Shen, University of Delaware Mineo Takai, University of California at Los Angeles Feiyi Wang, MCNC SCOPE: Multihop networking has experienced rapid growth in the last decade with applications ranging from battlefield and disaster area networking to wireless LANs for the home and offices. Recent technological developments have led to newer possibilities for applications such as networking of large arrays of wireless sensors and development of wireless community networks. However, design of multihop networks continue to pose a myriad of challenging problems that exist across multiple disciplines. These include issues in the physical layer, network protocol development, operating system, low-power circuit design, signal processing, and distributed algorithms. The objective of this workshop is to bring together researchers on different aspects of the current issues on multihop wireless wireless networks with special emphasis on performance modeling and protocol development. We encourage submission of high-quality papers that report original work in both theoretical and experimental research areas. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - Physical layer design - Medium Access Control - Routing - Network Control and Management - Operating system and middleware - Data storage and database - Energy conservation techniques - Distributed and collaborative algorithms for multihop networks - Signal processing techniques - Performance evaluation and modeling of multihop networks - Security issues - Network reliability/survivability - Multimedia and QoS - Testbed results - Applications DATES: Deadlines for Submissions: December 6, 2003 Notification of Acceptance: December 29, 2003 Camera-Ready Copy Received: January 26, 2004 Workshop: April 14-17, 2004 SUBMISSION: Submit an extended abstract not exceeding 8 pages, including figures. A cover page containing the title, authors, descriptive keywords, and contact information of the corresponding author must be included. Postscript or Adobe pdf format are preferred. Submit by e-mail to the Workshop Chair (anasipur@uncc.edu). PAPERS: Papers must represent original work that has not been published in any other forum. All submitted papers will be refereed for originality, quality, contribution, and relevance to the scope of this workshop. At least one author must register for the conference by paying the full (non-student) registration fee and present the paper at the conference venue. All accepted papers will be published in the IPCCC proceedings by the IEEE press. Accepted papers will be limited to 6 pages in standard IEEE format. For any further information, please check the workshop web page at http://www.ece.uncc.edu/~anasipur/MWN/index.html or the IPCCC web page (http://www.ipccc.org) or send e-mail to the program chair. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 14:34:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03793 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARGHl-0003Bn-Rt for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:34:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2JYDIX012258 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:34:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARGHl-0003BZ-LI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:34:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03766 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARGHi-0006nW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARGHi-0006nP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARGHb-000362-15; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:34:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARGGs-00035A-9Q for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:33:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03734 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARGGp-0006n5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:33:15 -0500 Received: from pit.erg.sri.com ([128.18.100.28]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARGGo-0006mj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:33:14 -0500 Received: from pit.erg.sri.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.erg.sri.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24394; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:32:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200312021932.LAA24394@pit.erg.sri.com> To: "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" cc: Richard Ogier , MANET Reply-To: ogier@erg.sri.com From: ogier@erg.sri.com Subject: Re: [manet] Question regarding Mobility In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:16:38 GMT." Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:32:10 -0800 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Chris, Although I agreed in an earlier post that symmetry of movement is sufficient for maintaining a uniform distribution of the node position in the square (for the random walk billiards model), this is not a necessary condition. (You are probably aware of this, and this does not contradict what you said, but I want to point this out to others). For example, if the node is initially placed uniformly, and initially travels to the right, then bounces off the right side, then travels to the left, then bounces off the left side, etc., then the node position is still uniform at all times (because of its initial random placement). In other words, if the direction of movement changes according to each reflection, then we still have a uniform distribution. This is the real billiards model, and I wanted to make the point that the billiards model gives a uniform distribution even if the node never changes direction randomly. (In the example you gave, the node always travels to the right, which is not what a billiards ball would do.) It would be good to define the most general billiards model that maintains a uniform distribution. Deterministic changes in direction are allowed, as long as each change is relative to the current direction (e.g., turn right after 10 sec). Random changes that are not symmetric in the two axes are also allowed, as long as each change is relative to the current direction (e.g., choose a random direction between 45 degrees to the left and 45 degrees to the right). Richard > > > > Actually, we only need to consider a single node, and > > show that it is > > > > uniformly distributed in the square. Thus, even though Philippe's > > > > explanation is accurate, I don't think it is necessary to > > talk about > > > > a Poisson distribution. Allowing the single node to > > travel straight > > > > through boundaries, we only need to show that it is uniformly > > > > distributed in whatever "clone" of the square it happens to be in > > > > at any time. I think this follows simply because the node is > > > > initially placed uniformly, and its movements are independent of > > > > its location. > > > > > > It doesn't travel through walls, it bounces off them, so we need to > > > apply some reflections, and we need basic symmetry > > properties (left/right, > > > up/down). > > > > > > Otherwise consider a node which always picks its next destination a > > > short distance away to the right, regardless of position. > > It will keep > > > hitting the right wall, bouncing, doing the same again and always be > > > close to the right wall, i.e. not uniform. > > > > Good point. But I am talking about the probability > > distribution at any > > point in time. > > So am I. Suppose that all nodes have the above skewed distribution > of movement. Then, regardless of initial uniform distribution, all > will end up near the right wall, not uniformly distributed. > > > Even if the node never moves, it's position is still > > uniform because it was placed that way. > > Not moving is symmetric! > > Of course the main point you make is important: you need a uniform > initial distribution. I think that and symmetry of movement (in > two axes) is then sufficient for a uniform distribution at all > future times. I haven't rigorously proved it however (a proof > would be based on equivalent positions, with reflection). > > ******************************************************************** > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > recipient and may also be privileged. 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The same goes for a mobile hosts supporting mobile IP. Do some search on google on what is mobile ip and what is a manet. Jerry. On Wednesday 26 November 2003 04:14 am, Ehsan Hamadani wrote: > Hi all > I want to know what ad-hoc nodes use in their network layer for sending > and receiving message. Do they use IP address or Mobile IP address to > communicate with each other?? I personally go for IP address but still = I > am not sure!! > > Regards > Ehsan _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 22:14:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00341 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARNSz-0002UM-JE for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:14:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB33EHod009560 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:14:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARNSz-0002U7-Ep for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:14:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00329 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARNSw-0000UV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:14:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARNSv-0000US-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:14:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARNSk-0002T1-2H; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:14:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARNSd-0002So-UJ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:13:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00317 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARNSa-0000U9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:13:52 -0500 Received: from hyuee.hanyang.ac.kr ([166.104.46.161]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARNSZ-0000U6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:13:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 29019 invoked by alias); 3 Dec 2003 11:53:38 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO cglee) (cglee@203.255.254.196) by 203.255.254.201 (qmail 1.03 + ejcp) with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:53:38 +0900 Message-ID: <000e01c3b94b$72266330$c4feffcb@cglee> From: "???" 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Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Subject: [manet] UniK OLSR implementatin Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE FYI - the UniK OLSR implementation now has IPv6 support. IPv4 and IPv6 is supported in the same binary. If you are interested drop by: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi Thanks. Andreas T=F8nnesen UniK University Graduation Center University of Oslo http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 09:27:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16231 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARXyC-0007EL-5H for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:27:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3ERCCo027783 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:27:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARXyB-0007E2-WB for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:27:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16202 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARXyA-0001wN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:27:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARXy9-0001wK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:27:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARXy1-0007Ct-I6; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:27:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARXx8-0007CL-IO for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:26:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16189 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARXx6-0001v0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:26:04 -0500 Received: from [131.175.54.147] (helo=salsa.cefriel.it) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARXx5-0001uC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:26:04 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] UniK OLSR implementatin Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:27:19 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [manet] UniK OLSR implementatin Thread-Index: AcO5lwwmbdF2dqZ3Q7eqwsfuX6R52gAEk3uQ From: "Fabio Bonanni" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! Do u have any "good" informations or links about 802.11n? Just another questions: In an infrastructure WLAN (I mean with APs and not ad hoc) can the = mobile nodes communicate with each other without using the AP? Thanks in advance. FB Ing. Fabio BONANNI CEFRIEL (ICT Center of Excellence For Research, Innovation, Education = and life-long Learning) - Politecnico di Milano Advanced Mobile & Wireline Transmission Systems Unit 2, Fucini - Milan 20133, Italy e-mail: fabio.bonanni@cefriel.it website: www.cefriel.it _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 09:55:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17338 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARYPM-0000gb-Ig for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:55:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3EtGNQ002636 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:55:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARYPM-0000gR-6N for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:55:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17294 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARYPK-0002T2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:55:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARYPJ-0002Sz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:55:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARYP8-0000Zs-VU; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARYOu-0000ZA-66 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:54:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17274 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARYOr-0002SE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:54:45 -0500 Received: from [131.175.54.147] (helo=salsa.cefriel.it) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARYOm-0002Ry-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:54:42 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3B9AD.8E89EB0D" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:55:56 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: power-aware routing Thread-Index: AcO5rU0FPcy4lyGjQcuuO3RJ0udI+A== From: "Andrea Giacomini" To: Subject: [manet] power-aware routing Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B9AD.8E89EB0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people, Can anyone suggest me some ULRs or infos about algoritmhs of power-aware routing? =20 Thanx =20 Andrea Giacomini ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B9AD.8E89EB0D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi people,

Can anyone suggest me some ULRs or infos about = algoritmhs of power-aware routing?

 

Thanx

 

Andrea Giacomini

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B9AD.8E89EB0D-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 11:15:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21701 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARZf8-0005r9-VO for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:15:39 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3GFc4s022507 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARZf8-0005qw-QH for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:15:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21664 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARZf7-0003fo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:15:37 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARZf7-0003fN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:15:37 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARZea-0005jY-3c; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:15:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARZeA-0005id-JY for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21638 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARZe9-0003f7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from ms1.city.ac.uk ([138.40.12.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARZe9-0003f4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from mailswitch.city.ac.uk ([138.40.12.12] helo=mailswitch) by ms1.city.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARZdx-0007kr-Nm for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:14:25 +0000 Received: from eeipc197.city.ac.uk ([138.40.163.23] helo=CITY) by mailswitch with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 1ARZdx-0004Nv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:14:25 +0000 From: "Ehsan Hamadani" To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:13:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c3b9b8$5c9f7160$17a3288a@CITY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3B9B8.5C9F7160" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Computing Services for more information X-City-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-City-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 5, HTML_80_90 0.50) Subject: [manet] Modeling Ad Hoc Networks Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3B9B8.5C9F7160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all I am trying to model Ad Hoc networks and see which mathematical patterns will fit them well. Then I want to use that model to estimate RTT time in TCP connection and as a result its effect on TCP throughput. So, I would be thankful if someone can give me some hints, or let me know if there are relevant papers, documents or others' experiences. Regards, Ehsan ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3B9B8.5C9F7160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all

I am trying to model Ad Hoc networks and see which = mathematical patterns will fit them well.

Then I want to use that model to estimate RTT time in = TCP connection and as a result its effect on TCP = throughput.

 

So, I would be thankful if someone can give me some = hints, or let me know if there are relevant papers, documents or others’ = experiences.

 

Regards,

 

Ehsan   

 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3B9B8.5C9F7160-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 11:54:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23194 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaGZ-00086J-71 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:54:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3GsJSi031133 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:54:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaGZ-000864-0O for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:54:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23177 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaGX-0004Eg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:54:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaGX-0004Ed-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:54:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaGI-00081V-6V; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:54:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaFM-00080I-81 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:53:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23119 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaFK-0004D9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:53:02 -0500 Received: from [131.175.54.147] (helo=salsa.cefriel.it) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaFJ-0004Cu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:53:01 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:54:18 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mobility Models Thread-Index: AcO5vhe5DuQUpQ4wTHqyMdGRYVdq7Q== From: "Andrea Giovanni Tamoni" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Mobility Models Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hail everybody! I ve just start to study the impact of mobility models on routing = protocols in MANET. Is there anybody who can suggest me where I can find some = implementations of mobility models (in C language,Boundless Simulation = Area,Gauss-Markov,City Section). In my opinion a good mobility models must take into accounts: 1)memory of the previous direction and velocity--> no discontinuity 2)consider that users can stop/pause for some time 3)correlation between movement of different users 4)consider a real scenario-->city Who agree with me? _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 12:06:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23641 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaSB-0000pf-N6 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:06:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3H6J0t003198 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:06:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaSB-0000pV-Eh for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:06:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23613 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaSA-0004QH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:06:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaS9-0004QE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:06:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaRt-0000hw-Ut; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:06:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARaQw-0000gJ-IG for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:05:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23586 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaQv-0004Ou-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:05:01 -0500 Received: from hermes.aueb.gr ([195.251.255.142]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARaQo-0004Om-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:04:59 -0500 Received: from aueb.gr (zea06.unnamed.aueb.gr [195.251.234.6]) by hermes.aueb.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB3Gxs7d030551; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:00:02 +0200 Message-ID: <3FCE1838.1060002@aueb.gr> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:07:04 +0200 From: Sergios Soursos Reply-To: Sergios Soursos Organization: AUEB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: el, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Giacomini CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] power-aware routing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrea, a nice introductory paper on ad-hocs (in general) is "Mobile ad hoc networking: imperatives and challenges" by I. Chlamtac, M. Conti and J.-N. Liuwhich in Ad Hoc Networks, vol. 1, issue 1, that can be found at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/15708705 There is a section that presents some routing (and other) strategies for energy conservation Sergios Andrea Giacomini wrote: > Hi people, > > Can anyone suggest me some ULRs or infos about algoritmhs of > power-aware routing? > > > > Thanx > > > > Andrea Giacomini > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 15:51:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05424 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdyE-0003Zx-O6 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:39 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3KpcmX013753 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:51:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdyE-0003Zk-Kv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05365 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdyC-0000IN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:36 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdyC-0000ID-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:36 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdxf-0003UP-UO; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdxY-0003Sk-2w for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:50:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05198 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdxW-0000EE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:50:54 -0500 Received: from gs46.sp.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.198.237]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdxV-0000Dk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:50:53 -0500 Received: from gs46.sp.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by gs46.sp.cs.cmu.edu id aa18506; 3 Dec 2003 15:50 EST Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: Jorjeta Gueorguieva Jetcheva X-X-Sender: To: manet@ietf.org MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at gs46.sp.cs.cmu.edu cc: andrea.tamoni@cefriel.it, jorjeta@cs.cmu.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at gs46.sp.cs.cmu.edu Subject: re: [manet] Mobility Models Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hello Andrea, If you are interested in experimenting with real traces of node mobility, we have some available on the Monarch website. These are traces of the actual movement of buses in the Seattle, WA metropolitan area collected continuously over a period of several weeks. There are in the order of 1000 buses in each trace covering a 5100 square kilometer area. More information about the traces, an analysis of their characteristics and routing experiments using the traces are discussed in our WMCSA paper: J.G. Jetcheva, Y.-C. Hu, S. PalChaudhuri, A.K. Saha, and D.B. Johnson. Design and Evaluation of a Metropolitan Area Multitier Wireless Ad Hoc Network Architecture. Proceedings of the 5th IEEE Workshop on Mobile Computing Systems & Applications (WMCSA 2003), IEEE, Monterey, CA, October 2003. The traces and the paper above can be downloaded from http://www.monarch.cs.rice.edu/papers.html. Jorjeta ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hail everybody! I ve just start to study the impact of mobility models on routing = protocols in MANET. Is there anybody who can suggest me where I can find some = implementations of mobility models (in C language,Boundless Simulation = Area,Gauss-Markov,City Section). In my opinion a good mobility models must take into accounts: 1)memory of the previous direction and velocity--> no discontinuity 2)consider that users can stop/pause for some time 3)correlation between movement of different users 4)consider a real scenario-->city Who agree with me? =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o= o j r e a o = o j t = o o = = o Jorjeta G. Jetcheva o = Ph.D. student, Computer Science = o Carnegie Mellon University o = = o http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~jorjeta o = = o o = = o o =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o= _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 18:42:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16307 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARgdU-0001qp-A8 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:25 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3NgOpr007111 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:42:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARgdU-0001qc-6v for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16281 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARgdQ-0004Hl-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:20 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARgdQ-0004Hi-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARgd7-0001lt-5A; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARgcO-0001lK-SL for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:41:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16253 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARgcL-0004H0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:41:13 -0500 Received: from s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.83.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARgcK-0004GQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:41:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil (smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.86.3]) by s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.8) with SMTP id hB3NeXMr020266; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from SEXTANT.itd.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.92.22]) by smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2003120318403603730 ; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:40:36 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203155727.027cb928@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> X-Sender: macker@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:38:50 -0500 To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?T=F8nnesen?= , manet@ietf.org From: Joe Macker Subject: Re: [manet] UniK OLSR implementatin In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andreas/All: I announced in Minneapolis, that the nrloslrd=20 (independent implementation from previous NRL/INRIA nolsrd code you worked= with)=20 also supports both IPv4 and IPv6 and is available publicly. CRC (in Canada) has also performed a IPv6 port but like yours is also based= upon the nolsrd codebase. The packet formats should also be up to the recent spec. Except the MID functionality is pending. Since the packet formats are likely the same, we would be interested in a= possible=20 INTEROP test for both IPv4 and IPv6? http://pf.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/olsr has several code project related to OLSR. There is also an ethereal parser you could try. ------------------------ One question I have regarding the UniK modifications relates to neighbor management. The early neighbor sensing hysteresis code in that release was based=20 upon monotonically increasing hello sequence numbers (in version 3 code)= that is no=20 longer applicable in newer packet formats. In nrlolsrd, we converted the=20 algorithm to one that is self-clocking. =20 (with less dependence on monotonically increasing seq numbers in HELLO= packet space). Did you look into this issue or modify this portion of the code? -Joe At 07:11 AM 12/3/2003, Andreas T=F8nnesen wrote: >FYI - the UniK OLSR implementation now has IPv6 support. IPv4 and IPv6 is >supported in the same binary. If you are interested drop by: > >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi > >Thanks. > >Andreas T=F8nnesen >UniK University Graduation Center >University of Oslo >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 19:14:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA17387 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARh8Y-0003FR-A0 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:14:30 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB40EUiv012479 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:14:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARh8Y-0003FC-5n for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:14:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA17353 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARh8P-0004nm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:14:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARh8O-0004nj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:14:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARh85-0003Am-IY; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARh7b-0003AL-2d for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA17340 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARh7Z-0004nP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:29 -0500 Received: from web14422.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.214]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARh7Y-0004nG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:28 -0500 Message-ID: <20031204001326.70512.qmail@web14422.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.111.20.219] by web14422.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:13:26 PST Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Amit Jardosh Subject: Re: [manet] Mobility Models To: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Andrea, You could visit the following link http://moment.cs.ucsb.edu/mobility/ it has downloadable plugins to ns-2 and glomosim to generate realistic mobility scenarios. -Amit --- Andrea Giovanni Tamoni wrote: > Hail everybody! > I ve just start to study the impact of mobility > models on routing protocols in MANET. > Is there anybody who can suggest me where I can find > some implementations of mobility models (in C > language,Boundless Simulation Area,Gauss-Markov,City > Section). > In my opinion a good mobility models must take into > accounts: > 1)memory of the previous direction and velocity--> > no discontinuity > 2)consider that users can stop/pause for some time > 3)correlation between movement of different users > 4)consider a real scenario-->city > Who agree with me? > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet ===== Amit Jardosh Graduate Student MOMENT Lab, Dept. of Computer Science University of California, Santa Barbara homepage: www.cs.ucsb.edu/~amitj __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 19:42:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18263 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARhZT-0004L0-St for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:42:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB40gJr8016668 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:42:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARhZT-0004Kl-NP for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:42:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18198 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARhZR-0005F2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:42:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARhZR-0005Ez-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:42:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARhZB-0004GB-7U; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:42:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARhYw-0004Fk-EX for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:41:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18162 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARhYs-0005EK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:41:42 -0500 Received: from gateway.scalable-networks.com ([63.205.33.202] helo=mithrandir.scalable-networks.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARhYr-0005ED-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:41:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 18760 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 00:47:28 -0000 Received: from web.lan.scalable-solutions.com (HELO cs.ucla.edu) (sssmail@192.168.0.1) by mithrandir.lan.scalable.networks.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 00:47:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3FCE829C.1000209@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:41:00 -0800 From: Mineo Takai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amit Kucheria CC: "'IETF Manet'" Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files References: <001f01c3b8a7$935c1300$ef70fe81@jafymobile> <3FCC438D.4020505@cs.ucla.edu> <1070385757.1233.6.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <1070385757.1233.6.camel@amit.metricsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Amit, No. I just stare at the graphical representation of SDL included in the standard. It is free :-) Mineo Amit Kucheria wrote: > Mineo, > > Thanks for the pointer. But I am not sure if I want spend $$ to read > only one spec. Have you used other (free) tools to read these files? > > Regards, > /Amit > > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:47, Mineo Takai wrote: > >>SDL: Specification and Description Language. >> >>http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/languages/sdl.cfm >> >>Mineo >> >>HyunWook Cha wrote: >> >> >>>Could you tell me very briefly what the SDL is? >>> >>>HyunWook Cha >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On >>>>Behalf Of Mineo Takai >>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:47 AM >>>>To: Amit Kucheria >>>>Cc: IETF Manet >>>>Subject: Re: [manet] reading SDL files >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Amit, >>>> >>>>According to the readme, that SDL was generated by SDT (SDL >>>>Design Tool). The >>>>company changed the product name to Telelogic TAU SDL Suite. >>>> >>> >>>http://www.telelogic.com/products/tau/sdl/ >>> >>>Mineo >>> >>>Amit Kucheria wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I just downloaded the SDL files that are part of the 802.11 spec. >>> >>>Could >>> >>> >>>>anybody suggest any software to read these files? >>>> >>>>Does anybody know of any other location where I could find the 802.11 >>>>state transition diagram? >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Amit >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>manet mailing list >>>manet@ietf.org >>>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>manet mailing list >>manet@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 4 03:25:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15674 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARonU-0007FQ-JP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:25:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB48PGrO027859 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:25:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARonU-0007FG-81 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:25:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15660 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARonR-0004H3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:25:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARonR-0004H0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:25:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARonI-0007ED-2o; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:25:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARomq-0007DA-23 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:24:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15652 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARomn-0004Gg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:24:33 -0500 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.130.16] ident=7411) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARomn-0004Gc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:24:33 -0500 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARomk-0004nN-L9; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:24:30 +0100 Received: from sjau.ifi.uio.no ([129.240.65.207]) by mail-mx6.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARomf-0001wD-5m; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:24:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (andreto@localhost) by sjau.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:24:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:24:13 +0100 (MET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= To: Joe Macker cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] UniK OLSR implementatin In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203155727.027cb928@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Message-ID: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203155727.027cb928@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Thankyou for your reply mr Macker. I've commented in-line and I am sending this to the manet-list as well, just in case somebody is interested :-) On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Joe Macker wrote: > Andreas/All: > > I announced in Minneapolis, that the nrloslrd > (independent implementation from previous NRL/INRIA nolsrd code you worke= d with) > also supports both IPv4 and IPv6 and is available publicly. > > CRC (in Canada) has also performed a IPv6 port but like yours is also bas= ed upon > the nolsrd codebase. > > The packet formats should also be up to the recent spec. > Except the MID functionality is pending. > > Since the packet formats are likely the same, we would be interested in a= possible > INTEROP test for both IPv4 and IPv6? > I would most definetly be interested. But I have still not gotten around to implement proper Vtime handling, the implementation still sets the holding time based on its own emission interval values. As soon as this is done some INTEROP testing would be very interesting. > http://pf.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/olsr > has several code project related to OLSR. > > There is also an ethereal parser you could try. > ------------------------ > > One question I have regarding the UniK modifications relates > to neighbor management. > > The early neighbor sensing hysteresis code in that release was based > upon monotonically increasing hello sequence numbers (in version 3 code) = that is no > longer applicable in newer packet formats. In nrlolsrd, we converted the > algorithm to one that is self-clocking. > > (with less dependence on monotonically increasing seq numbers in HELLO pa= cket space). > > Did you look into this issue or modify this portion of the code? To be quite honest I never looked too much into the hysteresis implementation :-( As I started to use the emission intervals proposed in the draft(2 sec HELLO interval) the hysteresis caused the process of registering(getting a high enough HYSAVG) neighbors to be ~8 seconds if I remember correctly. Since the hysteresis functionallity was marked SHOULD int he draft, I just "temporarly" removed it(the hysteresis). Its been gone ever since ;-) Perhaps not the best thing to do... The RFC2119 states regarding SHOULD: "the full implications must be understood and carefully weighed before choosing a different course"... and I guess claiming to have done to much "careful weighing" would be an overstatement. But I intend to re-implement it at some stage. The whole project just started out with the aim of implementing MID functionallity to the (draft 3)INRIA/NRL implementation. I guess it just got out of hand somewhere. After all coding is _so_ much more fun than writing some thesis :-D Comments and/or suggestions are appreciated. regards Andreas T > > -Joe > > At 07:11 AM 12/3/2003, Andreas T=F8nnesen wrote: > > >FYI - the UniK OLSR implementation now has IPv6 support. IPv4 and IPv6 i= s > >supported in the same binary. If you are interested drop by: > > > >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi > > > >Thanks. > > > >Andreas T=F8nnesen > >UniK University Graduation Center > >University of Oslo > >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi > > > >_______________________________________________ > >manet mailing list > >manet@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > Andreas T=F8nnesen UniK University Graduation Center University of Oslo http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 4 10:00:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28309 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARuxm-0003jE-0x for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:00:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB4F0H2f014326 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:00:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARuxl-0003iz-ST for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:00:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28282 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARuxj-0002bC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:00:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARuxj-0002b9-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:00:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARuxY-0003hm-4y; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:00:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARuwe-0003gj-Nt for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:59:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28225 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARuwc-0002aB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:59:06 -0500 Received: from s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.83.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARuwc-0002Zm-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:59:06 -0500 Received: from smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil (smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.86.3]) by s2.itd.nrl.navy.mil (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.8) with SMTP id hB4EwSeS013286; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from SEXTANT.itd.nrl.navy.mil ([132.250.92.22]) by smtp.itd.nrl.navy.mil (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2003120409582802949 ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:58:28 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031204093644.02b277f8@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> X-Sender: macker@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:56:44 -0500 To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?T=F8nnesen?= From: Joe Macker Subject: Re: [manet] UniK OLSR implementatin Cc: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203155727.027cb928@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 03:24 AM 12/4/2003, Andreas T=F8nnesen wrote: >> The early neighbor sensing hysteresis code in that release was based >> upon monotonically increasing hello sequence numbers (in version 3 code)= that is no >> longer applicable in newer packet formats. In nrlolsrd, we converted the >> algorithm to one that is self-clocking. >> >> (with less dependence on monotonically increasing seq numbers in HELLO= packet space). >> >> Did you look into this issue or modify this portion of the code? > >To be quite honest I never looked too much into the hysteresis >implementation :-( As I started to use the emission intervals proposed in >the draft(2 sec HELLO interval) the hysteresis caused the process of >registering(getting a high enough HYSAVG) neighbors to be ~8 seconds if I >remember correctly. Since the hysteresis functionallity was marked SHOULD >int he draft, I just "temporarly" removed it(the hysteresis). Its been >gone ever since ;-) Yes, sensing stability is sacrificed for sensing delay. Once you upgraded the packet formats and handling,=20 turning it off in that code was probably good in the sense=20 that the older method would have not been suitable for the way sequence=20 numbers are used in recent specs since nolsrd. So unless you modified it, turning it off was the right thing to do. >Perhaps not the best thing to do... The RFC2119 states regarding SHOULD: >"the full implications must be understood and carefully weighed before >choosing a different course"... and I guess claiming to have done to much >"careful weighing" would be an overstatement. But I intend to re-implement >it at some stage. The beaconing hysteresis is not the best thing either, but can improve decision stability with time varying conditions,etc at the sacrifice of some sensing delay. Integrating some lower layer feedback is the best approach in general,=20 but sometimes we do what we can do at L3..;-) >The whole project just started out with the aim of implementing MID >functionallity to the (draft 3)INRIA/NRL implementation. I guess it just >got out of hand somewhere. After all coding is _so_ much more fun than >writing some thesis :-D I think its great you implemented the MID functionality. That would be very interesting for more people to test. >Comments and/or suggestions are appreciated. > > >regards >Andreas T > >> >> -Joe >> >> At 07:11 AM 12/3/2003, Andreas T=F8nnesen wrote: >> >> >FYI - the UniK OLSR implementation now has IPv6 support. IPv4 and IPv6= is >> >supported in the same binary. If you are interested drop by: >> > >> >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >Andreas T=F8nnesen >> >UniK University Graduation Center >> >University of Oslo >> >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >manet mailing list >> >manet@ietf.org >> >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> >> > >Andreas T=F8nnesen >UniK University Graduation Center >University of Oslo >http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 4 20:08:57 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29380 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS4SX-0002XO-4x for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:08:41 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB518fNQ009748 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:08:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS4SX-0002X9-1e for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:08:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29360 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS4SV-0006B0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:08:39 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS4SU-0006Aw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:08:38 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS4Ru-0002Vo-Fw; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:08:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS4R1-0002Ga-Vm for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:07:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29314 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS4Qz-00069S-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:07:05 -0500 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS4Qz-00069O-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:07:05 -0500 Received: from yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu (yosemite [128.111.40.103]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB5173213652 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:07:03 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Belding-Royer To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1070586426.13966.6.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 04 Dec 2003 17:07:06 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] MobiHoc CFP deadline reminder Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reminder: The paper submission deadline is December 11, 2003, only a week away!!! ====================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS The Fifth ACM International Symposium on Mobile Ad Hoc Networking and Computing MobiHoc 2004 www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/ May 24-26, 2004 Tokyo, Japan MobiHoc 2004 is the fifth of a series of annual meetings sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE, focusing on the latest research in the rapidly growing area of mobile ad hoc networking and computing. The first MobiHoc was held in 2000 in Boston, Massachusetts, as a workshop affiliated with the MobiCom conference also sponsored by SIGMOBILE. Since then, MobiHoc has become a separate symposium, held in 2001 at Long Beach, California, in 2002 at Lausanne, Switzerland, in 2003 at Annapolis, Maryland, and now in 2004 at Tokyo, Japan. PAPERS: Technical papers describing original, previously unpublished research, not currently under review by another conference or journal, are solicited. In general this symposium is interested in papers that address networking or computing problems in the context of mobile and wireless ad hoc networks, ad hoc computing systems, and sensor networks, with the focus being on issues above the physical layer. Specific topics of interest include the following: * Routing protocols (unicast, multicast, geocast, content-based, etc.) * Media access techniques * Transport-layer issues * Hardware and software platforms, systems, and testbeds * Applications for ad hoc networks * Power-aware, low-power, and energy-efficient designs * Quality-of-service issues * Security and fault tolerance issues * Self-configuration in ad hoc networks * Processing and fusion of data in sensor networks * Location discovery and management * Timing synchronization * Distributed algorithms for ad hoc networks * Biologically inspired mechanisms * Ad hoc networks of autonomous intelligent systems * Analytic methods and modeling for performance evaluation * Cross-layer interactions, including between higher and physical layers * Other ad hoc networking and computing topics above the physical layer Please consult the program co-chairs Charlie Perkins and Leandros Tassiulas if you are uncertain whether your paper falls within the scope of the symposium. 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It is required to maintain a neighbour table.If a node A relays a data packet and it is received by the node-B.How the node-B knows that node-A is the previous node from that data packet.Please tell me a suggestion. regards, K.Srinivasan. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 01:45:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA09673 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS9iD-0004G5-DX for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:45:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB56jDHq016363 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:45:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS9iD-0004Fq-9l for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:45:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA09627 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS9iA-0003CP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:45:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS9i9-0003CK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:45:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS9i2-0004EY-9x; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AS9hZ-0004EG-Bz for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:44:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA09552 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS9hW-0003AL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:44:30 -0500 Received: from [203.199.83.147] (helo=rediffmail.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AS9hV-0003AA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:44:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 17845 invoked by uid 510); 5 Dec 2003 06:42:37 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2003 06:42:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031205064237.17843.qmail@webmail25.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (203.200.145.160) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 05 dec 2003 06:42:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "darwin jb clement" Reply-To: "darwin jb clement" To: manet@ietf.org Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_1070606557---0-203.199.83.147-17840" Subject: [manet] plz help me!!! 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=0A=0A --Next_1070431852---0-203.199.83.247-9599 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi friends:=0Ai'm on my intial phase of my project in qos routing of manets= ,=0Aas u all know to do the above detailed knowledge of glomosim is a =0Amu= st,=0Aso plz help me with a link to obtain a detailed knowledge of =0Aworki= ng in glomosim and related stuffs.=0A=0Athanks=0Acheers:darwin j.b. clement --Next_1070431852---0-203.199.83.247-9599-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --Next_1070606557---0-203.199.83.147-17840-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 04:54:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA28427 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASCfA-000548-NI for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:54:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB59sG3G019466 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:54:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASCfA-00053t-Gd for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:54:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA28373 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASCf7-00066G-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:54:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASCf6-00066D-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:54:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASCex-0004yw-MO; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:54:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASCeC-0004xX-Fo for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:53:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA28358 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASCe9-00065k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:53:13 -0500 Received: from roura.ac.upc.es ([147.83.33.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASCe8-00065P-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:53:12 -0500 Received: from rogent.ac.upc.es (rogent.ac.upc.es [147.83.31.7]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB59qUJA016057 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:52:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ew2004@localhost) by rogent.ac.upc.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) id hB59qUhR028262 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:52:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:52:29 +0100 From: Conferencia ew2004 To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: <20031205095229.GA28254@ac.upc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [manet] EW2004 Call For Participation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear Colleague, Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this e-mail. We would appreciate your assistance in distributing this call for participation to your colleagues. You are cordially invited to attend The 5th European Wireless Conference (EW2004) Mobile and Wireless Systems beyond 3G to be held in Barcelona, Spain in February 24-27, 2004. Registration for EW2004 is now open. Early registration is available until January 10th, 2004. All the details about the conference can be found at: http://www.ac.upc.es/EW2004 (look at links: "Conference Program", "Tutorials" and "Conference and tutorial Registration") Looking forward to see you in Barcelona, EW2004 organizing committee. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 05:44:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29540 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASDRX-0006qZ-Ba for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:44:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5AiFlv026313 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:44:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASDRX-0006qK-6j for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:44:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29525 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASDRT-0006e7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:44:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASDRT-0006e4-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:44:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASDRJ-0006jA-Jm; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:44:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASDQk-0006hp-Ay for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:43:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29513 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASDQg-0006di-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:43:22 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASDQf-0006dY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:43:22 -0500 Received: from zephyrin (cedricadjih1.inria.fr [128.93.23.31]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hB5Acir21293; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:38:44 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001601c3bb1b$e709dc00$1f175d80@inria.fr> From: "Philippe Jacquet" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= , "Joe Macker" Cc: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203155727.027cb928@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:38:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] OLSR interop Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We were thinking about it long time ago, and the time seems now to be appropriate. We plan to organise an OLSR interop meeting soon. We could have a two day meeting. One day of short presentations and technical results, another day of interoperability tests. Location and date are under investigation and will depend on feedback. Philippe _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 06:29:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA00534 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASE97-00089A-7D for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:29:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5BTH6G031310 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:29:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASE97-00088v-06 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:29:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA00528 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASE92-000780-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:29:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASE92-00077x-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:29:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASE8r-00084r-KO; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:29:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASE8W-00084N-Jo for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:28:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA00515 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASE8S-00077k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:28:36 -0500 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.130.16] ident=7411) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASE8S-00077h-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:28:36 -0500 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASE8Q-0000sA-F8; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:34 +0100 Received: from tva.ifi.uio.no ([129.240.65.202]) by mail-mx6.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASE8I-0005Sm-Op; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (andreto@localhost) by tva.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:28:23 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:28:22 +0100 (MET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= To: Philippe Jacquet cc: Joe Macker , manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <001601c3bb1b$e709dc00$1f175d80@inria.fr> Message-ID: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203155727.027cb928@pop.itd.nrl.navy.mil> <001601c3bb1b$e709dc00$1f175d80@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Subject: [manet] Re: OLSR interop Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi, I would most definetly be interested. The uOLSR implementation should soon be reasy for interop testing soon. I have started implementing the Vtime/Htime processing and handeling which as far as I can see is the last big issue for interoperability concerning uOLSR. Andreas T On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Philippe Jacquet wrote: > Hi, > > We were thinking about it long time ago, and the time seems now to be > appropriate. We plan to organise an OLSR interop meeting soon. We could h= ave > a two day meeting. One day of short presentations and technical results, > another day of interoperability tests. Location and date are under > investigation and will depend on feedback. > > Philippe > > Andreas T=F8nnesen UniK University Graduation Center University of Oslo http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~andreto/uolsrd/index.cgi _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 07:37:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03083 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASFCt-000282-G8 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:37:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5CbFpF008142 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:37:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASFCr-00026r-Bb for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:37:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03052 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASFCq-0000SV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:37:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASFCq-0000SS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:37:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASFCg-00020K-VI; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:37:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASFBy-0001zN-Ak for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:36:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03048 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASFBx-0000SB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:36:17 -0500 Received: from smtp1.bae.co.uk ([20.138.254.61]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASFBw-0000Rp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:36:16 -0500 Received: from ngbaux (ngbaux.msd.bae.co.uk [141.245.68.234]) by smtp1.bae.co.uk (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id hB5CZiF10144 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:35:44 GMT Received: from bsrsmtp02.ng.bae.co.uk ([141.245.68.242]) by ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk (PMDF V5.2-33 #44998) with SMTP id <0HPF00JCZ9M2E5@ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk> for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:34:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from glkms0001.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.1]) by 141.245.68.242 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite for SMTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:33 +0000 Received: from glkms0008.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.8]) by glkms0001.GREENLNK.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:38 +0000 From: "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" Subject: RE: [manet] OLSR interop To: Philippe Jacquet , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= , Joe Macker Cc: manet@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-Topic: [manet] OLSR interop Thread-Index: AcO7HOAQBwUeoeKeRm2YQjQ51I0FSAADFl0A content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 12:19:38.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D5E24C0:01C3BB2A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We would also be interested. (We have an implementation of OLSR, including multiple interfaces, IPv6 etc. It is not publicly available I'm afraid.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Philippe Jacquet [mailto:philippe.jacquet@inria.fr] > Sent: 05 December 2003 10:38 > To: Andreas T=F8nnesen; Joe Macker > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] OLSR interop >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We were thinking about it long time ago, and the time seems now to be > appropriate. We plan to organise an OLSR interop meeting=20 > soon. We could have > a two day meeting. One day of short presentations and=20 > technical results, > another day of interoperability tests. Location and date are under > investigation and will depend on feedback. >=20 > Philippe Apologies in advance for this bit, over which I have no control. 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You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 12:19:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14443 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJbp-0003pW-9Z for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5HJHwc014716 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:19:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJbp-0003pH-5M for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14428 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJbn-0005KH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJbn-0005KE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJbZ-0003nr-Ej; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJb5-0003mv-5b for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:18:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14372 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJb3-0005Im-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:18:29 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJb2-0005HR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:18:28 -0500 Received: from zephyrin (byzantium.inria.fr [128.93.17.6]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hB5HDkr11640; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:13:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <007d01c3bb53$0f20e6c0$1f175d80@inria.fr> From: "Philippe Jacquet" To: "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= , "Joe Macker" Cc: References: Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR interop Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:13:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by concorde.inria.fr id hB5HDkr11640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great! you are both enlisted... Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Dearlove, Chris (UK) To: Philippe Jacquet ; Andreas T=F8nnesen ; Joe Macker Cc: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [manet] OLSR interop We would also be interested. (We have an implementation of OLSR, including multiple interfaces, IPv6 etc. It is not publicly available I'm afraid.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Philippe Jacquet [mailto:philippe.jacquet@inria.fr] > Sent: 05 December 2003 10:38 > To: Andreas T=F8nnesen; Joe Macker > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] OLSR interop > > > Hi, > > We were thinking about it long time ago, and the time seems now to be > appropriate. We plan to organise an OLSR interop meeting > soon. We could have > a two day meeting. One day of short presentations and > technical results, > another day of interoperability tests. Location and date are under > investigation and will depend on feedback. > > Philippe Apologies in advance for this bit, over which I have no control. 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You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 12:29:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14759 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJlZ-0004O7-Tm for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:29:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5HTL0D016861 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:29:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJlZ-0004Ns-PM for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:29:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14738 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJlY-0005WV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:29:20 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJlX-0005WS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:29:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJlG-0004GW-7B; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:29:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASJkj-0004G8-R6 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14690 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJki-0005Vf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:28 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASJkh-0005V4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:27 -0500 Received: from zephyrin (byzantium.inria.fr [128.93.17.6]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hB5HRXr12686; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:27:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <008c01c3bb54$fb2ec860$1f175d80@inria.fr> From: "Philippe Jacquet" To: , "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" Cc: "Richard Ogier" , "MANET" References: <200312021932.LAA24394@pit.erg.sri.com> Subject: Re: [manet] Question regarding Mobility Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:26:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Richard, The uniform distribution should hold for a very large class of billard model provided node motion are independent of node positions (in the multi-mirror square image model). For example the model where nodes randomly change motion after a random time or a random distance. The case where the nodes never change direction (excepted on reflection) holds too. No need of symmetry. However this should not be confused with the property that the succesive locations of a given single node could uniformly cover the whole square, this needs more conditions. Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Dearlove, Chris (UK) Cc: Richard Ogier ; MANET Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [manet] Question regarding Mobility > > Chris, > > Although I agreed in an earlier post that symmetry of movement > is sufficient for maintaining a uniform distribution of the > node position in the square (for the random walk billiards model), > this is not a necessary condition. (You are probably aware of > this, and this does not contradict what you said, but I want to > point this out to others). > > For example, if the node is initially placed uniformly, and > initially travels to the right, then bounces off the right side, > then travels to the left, then bounces off the left side, > etc., then the node position is still uniform at all times > (because of its initial random placement). > > In other words, if the direction of movement changes according > to each reflection, then we still have a uniform distribution. > This is the real billiards model, and I wanted to make the point > that the billiards model gives a uniform distribution even if > the node never changes direction randomly. > (In the example you gave, the node always travels to the right, > which is not what a billiards ball would do.) > > It would be good to define the most general billiards model that > maintains a uniform distribution. Deterministic changes in > direction are allowed, as long as each change is relative to > the current direction (e.g., turn right after 10 sec). > Random changes that are not symmetric in the two axes are > also allowed, as long as each change is relative to the > current direction (e.g., choose a random direction between > 45 degrees to the left and 45 degrees to the right). > > Richard > > > > > > > Actually, we only need to consider a single node, and > > > show that it is > > > > > uniformly distributed in the square. Thus, even though Philippe's > > > > > explanation is accurate, I don't think it is necessary to > > > talk about > > > > > a Poisson distribution. Allowing the single node to > > > travel straight > > > > > through boundaries, we only need to show that it is uniformly > > > > > distributed in whatever "clone" of the square it happens to be in > > > > > at any time. I think this follows simply because the node is > > > > > initially placed uniformly, and its movements are independent of > > > > > its location. > > > > > > > > It doesn't travel through walls, it bounces off them, so we need to > > > > apply some reflections, and we need basic symmetry > > > properties (left/right, > > > > up/down). > > > > > > > > Otherwise consider a node which always picks its next destination a > > > > short distance away to the right, regardless of position. > > > It will keep > > > > hitting the right wall, bouncing, doing the same again and always be > > > > close to the right wall, i.e. not uniform. > > > > > > Good point. But I am talking about the probability > > > distribution at any > > > point in time. > > > > So am I. Suppose that all nodes have the above skewed distribution > > of movement. Then, regardless of initial uniform distribution, all > > will end up near the right wall, not uniformly distributed. > > > > > Even if the node never moves, it's position is still > > > uniform because it was placed that way. > > > > Not moving is symmetric! > > > > Of course the main point you make is important: you need a uniform > > initial distribution. I think that and symmetry of movement (in > > two axes) is then sufficient for a uniform distribution at all > > future times. I haven't rigorously proved it however (a proof > > would be based on equivalent positions, with reflection). > > > > ******************************************************************** > > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or > > distribute its contents to any other person. > > ******************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 13:10:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16999 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASKP9-0006ex-T1 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:10:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5IAFUL025593 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:10:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASKP9-0006ei-Oy for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:10:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16943 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASKP7-0006fN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:10:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASKP7-0006fK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:10:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASKOx-0006ZB-6i; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:10:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASKO1-0006YA-TB for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:09:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16865 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASKNz-0006dF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:09:03 -0500 Received: from 66-152-29-4.ded.btitelecom.net ([66.152.29.4] helo=mail.scires.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASKNz-0006cZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:09:03 -0500 Received: from SRCATL-MTA by mail.scires.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:07:08 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.3 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:06:39 -0500 From: "Pete Sholander" To: , , , Cc: , Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR interop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a tangential note, SRC has integrated the NRL OLSR code within a = hybrid-routing (ZRP-based) framework for some lab experiments. We don't = use that particular variant for open-air field demos, but it was an = interesting (and relatively painless) exercise. We're also looking at = implementing AODV as the reactive component but haven't started coding = yet. This is not strictly an interop issue, but may be of interest to the ANS = folks. --Pete Sholander Atlanta, GA >>> "Philippe Jacquet" 12/05/03 12:13PM >>> Great! you are both enlisted... Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Dearlove, Chris (UK) To: Philippe Jacquet ; Andreas T=F8nnesen ; Joe Macker Cc: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [manet] OLSR interop We would also be interested. (We have an implementation of OLSR, including multiple interfaces, IPv6 etc. It is not publicly available I'm afraid.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Philippe Jacquet [mailto:philippe.jacquet@inria.fr]=20 > Sent: 05 December 2003 10:38 > To: Andreas T=F8nnesen; Joe Macker > Cc: manet@ietf.org=20 > Subject: [manet] OLSR interop > > > Hi, > > We were thinking about it long time ago, and the time seems now to be > appropriate. We plan to organise an OLSR interop meeting > soon. We could have > a two day meeting. One day of short presentations and > technical results, > another day of interoperability tests. Location and date are under > investigation and will depend on feedback. > > Philippe Apologies in advance for this bit, over which I have no control. 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You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org=20 https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org=20 https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 14:35:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20089 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASLjT-0001UH-UK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:35:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5JZJND005718 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:35:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASLjT-0001U9-Qq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:35:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20047 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASLjR-0000W2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:35:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASLjQ-0000Vz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:35:16 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASLjC-0001Sy-U2; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:35:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASLiL-0001SC-Gw for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19999 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASLiI-0000Uz-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:34:06 -0500 Received: from reserv2.univ-lille1.fr ([193.49.225.90] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASLiI-0000Uv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:34:06 -0500 Received: from malonne.lifl.fr (malonne.lifl.fr [134.206.10.29]) by reserv2.univ-lille1.fr (8.12.9/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id hB5JU4Ll019584 ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:30:04 +0100 Received: from kriek (kriek.lifl.fr [134.206.11.16]) by malonne.lifl.fr with ESMTP id hB5JTg916122 ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:29:43 +0100 (MET) From: "David Simplot-Ryl" To: , Cc: , , , Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:29:55 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c3bb66$364ed460$100bce86@kriek> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] CFP IASTED International Journal of Computers and Applications on 'System and Networking for Smart Objects' Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please accept our apologies in case you receive this information from multiple sources. ================================================================== Call for Papers IASTED International Journal of Computers and Applications (IJCA) Special Issue on 'System and Networking for Smart Objects' http://www.actapress.com/journals/specialca2.htm Purpose IASTED International Journal of Computers and Applications (IJCA), by ACTA Press, seeks articles for a special issue on System and Networking for Smart Objects, to appear in January 2005. The guest editors for this special issue are David Simplot-Ryl and Gilles Grimaud, University of Lille, France, and Jean-Jacques Vandewalle, Gemplus Systems Research Labs, France. The ubiquitous sudden increase of new networked devices and the fast proliferation of distributed computing involving all kinds of computing devices create a unique challenge. Innovative solutions are required for the development, implementation and operation of distributed applications in complex IT environments full of diversity and heterogeneity. The concept of 'smart object' is defined as the junction between miniaturization with the development of wireless communications. A large number of applications in daily life enriched can be imagined: from PDA networks to smart space, from wireless smartcard to smart fridges. Smart objects like smartcards, RFID tags, wireless sensors, smart dust, require suitable basic software which takes into account the specificity of smart objects: limited resources, transient communication links, mobile and untrusted environment, etc. These constraints impact in operating system design which represents a huge challenge for a great number of research activities. The goal of this special issue of the International Journal of Computers and Applications by ACTA Press, USA, is to publish original research and review articles in the domains of operating system and networking for smart devices given below. Areas of relevant interest we foresee (but not limited to) include: - Smart devices like smartcards, RFID tags, sensors and smart dusts - Embedded operating system dedicated to smart objects - Mobile and ad hoc networking protocols and service discovery - Design principles and techniques for smart embedded systems - Middleware services for deployment and management of smart objects - Security and safety issues of ubiquitous computing systems - Location-dependent / personalized applications - Wireless sensor networks and group management of sensor nodes Submission and timetable The submission deadline is February 20, 2004. Send papers as .pdf file to David.Simplot@lifl.fr. Papers must be written in English and must confine to a maximum of 18 pages (including abstract page, equations, tables, all figures, references, author biographies and photos (optional)) with double-line spacing per page. Clear fonts with 12-pt size must be used. All the pages shall be numbered. If there are any photographs to be included good quality printing must be used to aid referees to see the photographs clearly. Avoid coloring any graphs unless use of color shades is meant for any technical purposes. References shall be typed in a consistent format throughout and must be referenced in the order they appear. Manuscripts should strictly follow the guidelines of ACTA Press, given at the following website: http://www.actapress.com/journals/submission.htm Manuscript Submission: February 20, 2004 Acceptance Notification: June 20, 2004 Final Manuscript Due: September 1, 2004 Publication: January 2005 Guest co-editors David SIMPLOT-RYL IRCICA/LIFL, Univ. Lille 1, INRIA Futurs, France David.Simplot@lifl.fr Jean-Jacques VANDEWALLE Gemplus Systems Research Labs, France Jean-Jacques.Vandewalle@research.gemplus.com Gilles GRIMAUD IRCICA/LIFL, Univ. 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MWN-04 Chair ============================================ Dr. Asis Nasipuri, Assistant Professor Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering University of North Carolina at Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223-0001 Phone: 704-687-3876 Fax: 704-687-2352 URL: http://www.ece.uncc.edu/~anasipur *********************Call for Papers************************ ********** WORKSHOP ON MULTIHOP WIRELESS NETWORKS ********** in conjunction with 23rd IEEE International Performance Computing and Communications Conference (IPCCC) April 14-17, 2004, Phoenix, Arizona PROGRAM CHAIR: Asis Nasipuri, University of North Carolina at Charlotte. (anasipur@uncc.edu) PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Guohong Cao, Penn. State University Samir R. Das, SUNY at Stony Brook Janelle Harms, University of Alberta Ekram Hossain, University of Manitoba Gavin Holland, HRL Labs Shivkumar Kalyanaraman, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Rajgopal Kannan, Louisiana State University Young-Bae Ko, Ajou University, Korea Kai Li, Eastern Carolina University Qilian Liang, University of Texas at Arlington Dilip Sarkar, University of Miami Chien-Chung Shen, University of Delaware Mineo Takai, University of California at Los Angeles Feiyi Wang, MCNC SCOPE: Multihop networking has experienced rapid growth in the last decade with applications ranging from battlefield and disaster area networking to wireless LANs for the home and offices. Recent technological developments have led to newer possibilities for applications such as networking of large arrays of wireless sensors and development of wireless community networks. However, design of multihop networks continue to pose a myriad of challenging problems that exist across multiple disciplines. These include issues in the physical layer, network protocol development, operating system, low-power circuit design, signal processing, and distributed algorithms. The objective of this workshop is to bring together researchers on different aspects of the current issues on multihop wireless wireless networks with special emphasis on performance modeling and protocol development. We encourage submission of high-quality papers that report original work in both theoretical and experimental research areas. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - Physical layer design - Medium Access Control - Routing - Network Control and Management - Operating system and middleware - Data storage and database - Energy conservation techniques - Distributed and collaborative algorithms for multihop networks - Signal processing techniques - Performance evaluation and modeling of multihop networks - Security issues - Network reliability/survivability - Multimedia and QoS - Testbed results - Applications DATES: Deadlines for Submissions: December 12, 2003 Notification of Acceptance: December 29, 2003 Camera-Ready Copy Received: January 26, 2004 Workshop: April 14-17, 2004 SUBMISSION: Submit an extended abstract not exceeding 8 pages, including figures. A cover page containing the title, authors, descriptive keywords, and contact information of the corresponding author must be included. Postscript or Adobe pdf format are preferred. Submit by e-mail to the Workshop Chair (anasipur@uncc.edu). PAPERS: Papers must represent original work that has not been published in any other forum. All submitted papers will be refereed for originality, quality, contribution, and relevance to the scope of this workshop. At least one author must register for the conference by paying the full (non-student) registration fee and present the paper at the conference venue. All accepted papers will be published in the IPCCC proceedings by the IEEE press. Accepted papers will be limited to 6 pages in standard IEEE format. For any further information, please check the workshop web page at http://www.ece.uncc.edu/~anasipur/MWN/index.html or the IPCCC web page (http://www.ipccc.org) or send e-mail to the program chair. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 6 07:26:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07178 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASbVt-0008Ib-31 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:26:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB6CQL2V031895 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:26:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASbVs-0008IM-QP for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:26:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07152 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASbVs-0007AT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:26:20 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASbVr-0007AQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:26:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASbVa-0008DM-23; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:26:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASbUx-0008BV-Jr for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:25:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07105 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASbUw-000798-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:25:22 -0500 Received: from web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.65]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASbUl-00078t-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20031206122439.85240.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.95.41.229] by web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 13:24:39 CET Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:24:39 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?xavier=20manavite?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-77028782-1070713479=:82175" Subject: [manet] scalability to size Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-77028782-1070713479=:82175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id HAA07106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 to contourn the problem of scalability we use clustering. there is any other (new) mecanism wich treat this problem. =20 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? -- Avec Yahoo! soyez au coeur de la r=E9colte de dons pour= le T=E9l=E9thon. --0-77028782-1070713479=3D:82175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
to contourn the problem of scalability we use clustering.
there is any other (new) mecanism wich treat this problem.
 


Do You Yahoo!? -- Avec Yahoo! soyez = au coeur de la r=E9colte de dons pour le=20 T=E9l=E9thon. --0-77028782-1070713479=:82175-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 08:54:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09493 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATLqK-00071X-8M for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:32 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB8DsWUm026993 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATLqK-00071I-3M for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09487 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATLqI-000450-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:30 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATLqI-00044x-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATLpp-0006x6-Am; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATLpG-0006wo-PD for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:53:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09474 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATLpF-00043n-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:53:25 -0500 Received: from web25206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.66]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATLpE-00043H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20031208135253.58856.qmail@web25206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.95.41.210] by web25206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:52:53 CET Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:52:53 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Wala=20l?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-681871132-1070891573=:58269" Subject: [manet] Rushing attack Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-681871132-1070891573=:58269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id IAA09475 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 Is there any good work/paper that analyzes the rushing attack ? =20 I would appreciate links to papers or other sources. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? -- Avec Yahoo! soyez au coeur de la r=E9colte de dons pour= le T=E9l=E9thon. --0-681871132-1070891573=3D:58269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
Is there any good work/paper that analyzes the rushing attack ?
 
I would appreciate links to papers or other sources.
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Do You Yahoo!? -- Avec Yahoo! soyez au coeur de la r=E9= colte de dons pour le=20 T=E9l=E9thon. --0-681871132-1070891573=:58269-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 10:01:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11525 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATMsv-00012k-Fq for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB8F1HTk004004 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:01:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATMsv-00012V-Au for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11467 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATMss-0005Sa-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATMss-0005SX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATMsi-0000wD-TK; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATMsK-0000uJ-MB for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:00:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11443 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATMsI-0005Rg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:00:38 -0500 Received: from [202.138.119.193] (helo=da-iict.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATMsG-0005Qn-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:00:37 -0500 Received: from mail.da-iict.org (smtp.da-iict.org [10.100.56.27]) by da-iict.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id hB8Exud12910 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:56 +0530 Received: (from net@localhost) by mail.da-iict.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id hB8ExuL26843; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:56 +0530 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:56 +0530 Message-Id: <200312081459.hB8ExuL26843@mail.da-iict.org> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.da-iict.org: net set sender to ravichander_vipperla@da-iict.org using -f From: "Vipperla Ravi Chander N Rao" To: manet@ietf.org Reply-To: ravichander_vipperla@da-iict.org X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.26 X-IPAddress: 10.100.57.37 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [manet] Glomosim download Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hello friends, I need to to download Glomosim for showing some simulation results w.r.t AdHoc Networks as part of my MTech Thesis. But since our college has .org domain name, I am unable to download this software. Could anyone please suggest how to get this software. Thanks in advance regards, V Ravi Chander 200211014 MTech (ICT) DA-IICT _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 12:41:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20517 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATPNj-0002OS-Gv for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:41:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB8HfFuM009194 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:41:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATPNj-0002OD-Bw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:41:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20485 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATPNh-0001DD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:41:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATPNh-0001DA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:41:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATPNX-0002J4-5t; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:41:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATPMo-0002HI-64 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:40:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20418 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATPMl-0001BQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:40:15 -0500 Received: from mail.eris.qinetiq.com ([128.98.1.1] ident=qmailr) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATPMk-0001Ax-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:40:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 19113 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 17:59:02 -0000 Received: from mailhost.eris.qinetiq.com (HELO mailhost.eris.dera.gov.uk) (qmailr@128.98.2.2) by ns0.eris.qinetiq.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 32586 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 17:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eris.qinetiq.com) (128.98.7.18) by mailhost.eris.qinetiq.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3FD4BA9A.665AC688@eris.qinetiq.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:53:30 +0000 From: Irfan Zakiuddin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] citation for divergence between results of simulation and field trial Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have heard it rumored that the results of simulating ad-hoc routing protocols have not corresponded well to the results achieved in field trials. But can anyone point me to a citable document recording this (assuming it is true)? And is there any current work in this area? There was a paper at POMC 2002 which compared the results of simulating ad-hoc routing protocols on the main network simulators. It noted that different simulators produced divergent results. The paper was: On the Accuracy of MANET Simulators by David Cavin, Yoav Sasson and Andre Schiper. I guess I am looking for analogous work comparing simulation results to field trials. many thanks in advance -- -- Irfan Zakiuddin, QinetiQ Trusted Information Management tel : +44 1684 894963 fax : +44 1684 896113 email : I.Zakiuddin@eris.QinetiQ.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 13:48:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23700 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATQQU-00070j-UZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:48:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB8ImAg6026948 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:48:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATQQU-00070Z-Qd for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:48:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23686 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATQQS-0002QE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:48:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATQQS-0002QB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:48:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATQQL-0006wV-60; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:48:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATQQ3-0006sj-T5 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:47:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23683 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATQQ1-0002Q0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:47:41 -0500 Received: from aun.it.uu.se ([130.238.12.36] ident=0) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATQQ1-0002Pv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:47:41 -0500 Received: from hamberg.it.uu.se (daemon@hamberg.it.uu.se [130.238.9.198]) by aun.it.uu.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8IlW5r005995; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:47:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (henrikl@localhost) by hamberg.it.uu.se (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8IlWqS008417; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:47:32 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: hamberg.it.uu.se: henrikl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:47:32 +0100 (MET) From: Henrik Lundgren X-X-Sender: henrikl@hamberg.it.uu.se To: Irfan Zakiuddin , manet@ietf.org cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_Nordstr=F6m?= Subject: Re: [manet] citation for divergence between results of simulation and field trial In-Reply-To: <3FD4BA9A.665AC688@eris.qinetiq.com> Message-ID: References: <3FD4BA9A.665AC688@eris.qinetiq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE At Uppsala University we are performing work related to this. In [1] we describe the "communication gray zones", a discrepancy between real-world and the ns-2 simulator. [2] also partly looks into this, together with enabling trace-based simulations based on APE testbed traces. [1] Henrik Lundgren, Erik Nordstr=F6m, Christian Tschudin, "Coping with Communication Gray Zones in IEEE 802.11b based Ad hoc Networks= ", ACM 5th International Workshop on Wireless Mobile Multimedia (WoWMoM), Sept= 2002. http://www.it.uu.se/research/group/core/publications/lundwowmom2002.pdf [2] Bj=F6rn Wiberg, "Porting AODV-UU Implementation to ns-2 and Enabling Trace-based Simulation", Master of Science Thesis, Decemeber 2002. http://www.csd.uu.se/courses/course-material/xjobb/docs-reports/Bjorn_Wiber= g-2002.pdf cheers, Henrik On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Irfan Zakiuddin wrote: > Hi, > > I have heard it rumored that the results of simulating ad-hoc > routing protocols have not corresponded well to the results > achieved in field trials. But can anyone point me to a citable > document recording this (assuming it is true)? And is there > any current work in this area? > > There was a paper at POMC 2002 which compared the results > of simulating ad-hoc routing protocols on the main network > simulators. It noted that different simulators produced divergent > results. The paper was: > > On the Accuracy of MANET Simulators > > by David Cavin, Yoav Sasson and Andre Schiper. > > I guess I am looking for analogous work comparing simulation > results to field trials. > > many thanks in advance > > > -- > > -- > > Irfan Zakiuddin, QinetiQ Trusted Information Management > > tel : +44 1684 894963 > fax : +44 1684 896113 > email : I.Zakiuddin@eris.QinetiQ.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 22:06:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA22562 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYCh-0003la-Bc for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:06:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB936RA3014470 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:06:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYCh-0003lJ-6W for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:06:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA22506 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYCe-0005pq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:06:24 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYCd-0005pn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:06:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYCI-0003ee-Jz; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:06:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYBl-0003dP-UJ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:05:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA22474 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYBi-0005p0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:05:26 -0500 Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu ([171.67.16.117]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYBi-0005ot-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:05:26 -0500 Received: from saga16.Stanford.EDU (saga16.Stanford.EDU [171.64.15.146]) by smtp3.Stanford.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB935Qtr029893 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:05:26 -0800 Received: (from mukesh@localhost) by saga16.Stanford.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9) id hB935Qlh011821; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:05:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mukesh Hira To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] Questions on Glomosim Mobility stats and MAC notifications Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I'm trying to run some simulations in Glomosim. I said YES for MOBILITY-STATISTICS in the config.in file, however I don't see any mobility statistics in glomo.stat. What could I be doing wrong? Also, does the MAC protocol (802.11/MACA/etc) provide any notifications when a new neighbor becomes available or if an existing neighbor becomes unreachable? If yes, are these notifications simulated in Glomosim? I see a message type declared for communication between the MAC layer and the network layer in structmsg.h (MSG_NETWORK_FromMac), but I couldn't spot its use anywhere. I'll post this message to the glomosim users mailing list as well, in addition to tapping the expertise of people on this mailing list. Thanks - Mukesh _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 9 09:09:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26362 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATiYI-00068Z-Jj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:09:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB9E9QmW023585 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:09:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATiYI-00068K-CD for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:09:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26353 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATiYG-00003E-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:09:24 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATiYG-00003A-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:09:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATiXt-00066t-BV; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:09:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATiXi-00066X-QC for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:08:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26324 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATiXh-00002O-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:08:49 -0500 Received: from mercury.dgim.crc.ca ([142.92.39.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATiXg-00002E-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:08:48 -0500 Received: from crc.ca (goddess.dgrc.crc.ca [142.92.34.45]) by mercury.dgim.crc.ca (8.12.10/Bubba's Mail 0.2.6f) with ESMTP id hB9E8E5N028432; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:08:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3FD5D727.87CFCA6B@crc.ca> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:07:35 -0500 From: Louise Lamont Organization: Communication Research Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr, andreto@ifi.uio.no, macker@itd.nrl.navy.mil CC: manet@ietf.org, ying.ge@crc.ca, maoyu.wang@crc.ca, thomas.kunz@crc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] OLSR interop Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, At CRC we are also implementing a version of OLSR IPv6 draft 11compliant. Last year, we ported the INRIA/NRL OLSR (version 3) code to IPv6 and added HNA capabilities. We continued upgading the code to support the new message types and MID support. The code should be ready in a couple of months for testing. We would also be interested in performing interopability tests. Regards, Louise -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Louise Lamont Project Leader: Mobile Networking 3701 Carling avenue P.O. box 11490 Station H, Ottawa, Tel: (613) 991-9635 Ontario, Canada Fax: (613) 998-9648 K2H-8S2 Internet: louise.lamont@crc.ca Centre de Recherches sur les Communications, Industrie Canada ------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 9 09:44:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27171 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATj5x-0008G6-QX for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:44:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB9EiD4h031739 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:44:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATj5x-0008Fo-JV for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:44:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27130 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATj5v-0000pX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:44:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATj5v-0000pU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:44:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATj5m-0008Ec-5h; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:44:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATj5U-0008DP-4N for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:43:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27105 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATj5S-0000p0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:43:42 -0500 Received: from imap.ncat.edu ([152.8.25.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATj5R-0000ow-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:43:41 -0500 Received: from ipcv3 (ipcv3.elen.ncat.edu [152.8.113.156]) by imap.ncat.edu (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.4) with ESMTP id hB9EhVe01799 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:43:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Justin" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:43:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c3be62$d2fa0920$9c710898@ipcv3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3BE38.EA240120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] Localization in Wireless Sensor Networks Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3BE38.EA240120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone could refer me to any useful resources on Localization and/or tracking techniques for Wireless Sensor Networks. 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Hello everyone,

 

I was wondering if anyone could refer me to any = useful resources on Localization and/or tracking techniques for Wireless Sensor Networks.

 

I would appreciate any links to papers or other = resources.

 

Have a good day,

 

Justin Taylor

M.S. Electrical Engineering

North Carolina A&T State University

 

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Sign up for a free trial today! http://www.officemaster.net _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 08:15:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10828 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU4BQ-0001vi-3g for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBADFGeV007412 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU4BP-0001vT-9y for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10816 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU4BO-0001ak-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU4BN-0001ah-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU4BB-0001r8-CV; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:15:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU4AJ-0001qF-4p for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10798 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU4AI-0001Zc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:06 -0500 Received: from bay13-f103.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.103] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU4AH-0001ZB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:05 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:13:33 -0800 Received: from 195.12.26.4 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:13:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.12.26.4] X-Originating-Email: [jianwu53@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jianwu53@hotmail.com From: "jian wu" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:13:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 13:13:33.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[69A1F920:01C3BF1F] Subject: [manet] cross layer design Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear all I wonder if there is any paper/work on using network (routing) layer to improve 802.11 MAC layer performance. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Jian _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 14:27:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11469 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU9zL-000274-A9 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAJRBBU008116 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU9zL-00026p-5h for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11458 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU9zI-0006ch-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU9zH-0006ce-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU9zB-00022o-K3; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:27:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU9yW-00022K-CY for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:26:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11440 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU9yT-0006bs-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.225]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU9yT-0006bK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from Maria (cpe-68-118-244-200.ma.charter.com [68.118.244.200]) by mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id hBAJNAJL072358 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:23:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zmwang@coe.neu.edu) Message-ID: <002001c3bf53$0c3497f0$6400a8c0@Maria> From: "Z. Maria Wang" To: References: Subject: Re: [manet] cross layer design Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I wonder if anybody could recommend some publication or project on the mathematical modeling of wireless ad hoc network mobility, especially with the purpose of performance optimization. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Maria _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 15:51:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA16075 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUBIe-0006Xk-LK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAKpCbZ025146 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUBIe-0006XV-Fv for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA16037 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUBIc-00016x-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUBIb-00016u-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUBIV-0006Qr-2t; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUBHk-0006Q5-0A for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:50:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA15986 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUBHh-00013n-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from adsl-64-165-232-95.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net ([64.165.232.95] helo=MANTHOS) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUBHg-00013k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by MANTHOS (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.8 (1.8.3.5)); Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:46:59 -0800 Message-ID: <024901c3bf5e$c18229f0$210110ac@MANTHOS> From: "Dr Manthos Kazantzidis" To: "Justin" , References: <000301c3be62$d2fa0920$9c710898@ipcv3> Subject: Re: [manet] Localization in Wireless Sensor Networks Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:46:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0246_01C3BF1B.B2EDD8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0246_01C3BF1B.B2EDD8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know of this work A. Savvides, C. C. Han and M. B. Srivastava, Dynamic Fine-Grained = Localization in Ad-Hoc Networks of Sensors, In Proceedings of MOBICOM = '01, 2001, Rome, Italy, July 2001.=20 and its citations at http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/context/1746342/548598 Regards, Manthos ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Justin=20 To: manet@ietf.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: [manet] Localization in Wireless Sensor Networks -->=20 Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone could refer me to any useful resources on = Localization and/or tracking techniques for Wireless Sensor Networks. I would appreciate any links to papers or other resources. Have a good day, Justin Taylor M.S. Electrical Engineering North Carolina A&T State University ------=_NextPart_000_0246_01C3BF1B.B2EDD8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know of this work
 
A. Savvides, C. C. Han and M. B. Srivastava, Dynamic Fine-Grained=20 Localization in Ad-Hoc Networks of Sensors, In Proceedings of MOBICOM = '01, 2001,=20 Rome, Italy, July 2001.
 
and its citations at
http://citesee= r.nj.nec.com/context/1746342/548598
 
Regards,
Manthos
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, = 2003 6:43=20 AM
Subject: [manet] Localization = in Wireless=20 Sensor Networks

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Hello = everyone,

 

I was wondering if = anyone could=20 refer me to any useful resources on Localization and/or tracking = techniques=20 for Wireless Sensor Networks.

 

I would appreciate any = links to=20 papers or other resources.

 

Have a good day,

 

Justin Taylor

M.S. Electrical = Engineering

North Carolina A&T State=20 University

 

------=_NextPart_000_0246_01C3BF1B.B2EDD8A0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 11 01:38:00 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06982 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUKS3-0003Dm-8b for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBB6bVRT012316 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUKRz-0003CR-HV for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06979 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUKRv-00044f-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:23 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUKRv-00044c-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUKRa-00032C-9f; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:37:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUKQs-00030w-GV for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:36:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06966 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUKQo-000443-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:36:14 -0500 Received: from patty.levels.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.36.156]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUKQn-000440-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:36:13 -0500 Received: from spri.levels.unisa.edu.au (morpheus [172.17.0.143]) by patty.levels.unisa.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hBB6aCRV010108 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:06:13 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <3FD8105B.7020505@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:06:11 +1030 From: Peter Pham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020830 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MANET Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040106050006090008030802" Subject: [manet] energy model in ns2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040106050006090008030802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all I run the energy model in ns2 2.1b9 using the script wireless-newnode-energy.tcl using DSDV as the routing protocol The weird thing is that the average power consumption (transmission power and receiving power ignoring the idle) per node is increasingly proportional to the simulation time. Attached is the average power consumption rate per node. Can anyone explain why it is such a case. It is suppose to be constant over time with CBR traffic... 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Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hello everyone can any body tell from where i can download "draft-ietf-manet-olsr- extensions-00.txt" i've checked in the index of ietf drafts but i cannt find it, kindly refer me any other links regarding OLSR Extensions. with regards Usman _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 11 12:27:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11172 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUUaj-00072p-HZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:27:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBBHR9FK027073 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:27:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org 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Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11148 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUUaF-0001kH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:26:39 -0500 Received: from ent.umds.ac.uk ([159.92.16.14]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUUaE-0001kE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:26:39 -0500 Received: (qmail 9233 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2003 17:54:02 -0000 Received: from redwood.kcl.ac.uk (137.73.66.71) by ent.umds.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 17:54:02 -0000 Received: from MONA (EE014.eee.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.10.115]) by redwood.kcl.ac.uk with ESMTP id hBBHQFSE011267; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:26:15 GMT Message-ID: <009301c3c00c$a3204f10$730a4989@MONA> From: "Mona" To: Cc: "ronan" , "Dev" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:31:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C00C.A236B260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-KCL-MailScanner: Found to be CLEAN Subject: [manet] Ad hoc routing protocols -Testbed codes Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C00C.A236B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I want to set up testbed for ad hoc networks. I am only aware of some of the implementation codes from Uppsala = university (AODV-UU),=20 LUNAR , Mad-hoc - AODV implementation and OLSR implementation from = INRIA. I want to choose one of the existing protocols and extend it for QoS = routing analysis and also for Internet connectivity. Does any body know any other implementations or have experience with ad = hoc testbeds that can be useful for my research? Thanks in advance, Mona ----------------------------------------------------------- Mona Ghassemian, PhD student Centre for Telecommunications Research King's College London Strand, London WC2R 2LS T: +44 20 7848 2596 F: +44 20 7848 2664 E: Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C00C.A236B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
 
I want to set up testbed for ad hoc=20 networks.
 
I am only aware of some of the implementation=20 codes from Uppsala university (AODV-UU),=20
LUNAR , Mad-hoc - AODV implementation and OLSR = implementation from=20 INRIA.
 
I want to choose one of the existing protocols and = extend it=20 for QoS routing analysis and also for Internet = connectivity.
 
Does any body know any other implementations or = have=20 experience with ad hoc testbeds that can be useful for my = research?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Mona
 
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M= ona=20 Ghassemian, PhD student
Centre for Telecommunications = Research
King's=20 College London
Strand, London WC2R 2LS
T: +44 20 7848 2596
F: = +44 20=20 7848 2664
E: Mona.Ghassemian@kcl.ac.uk-----------------------------------------------------------
<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C00C.A236B260-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 11 19:09:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03965 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUart-0000km-LP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC09HXT002892 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUart-0000kZ-GG for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03934 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUarq-00066F-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUarp-00066C-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUard-0000j5-OY; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUarO-0000ii-1F for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:08:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03905 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUarK-000654-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:08:42 -0500 Received: from mailhost.cs.auc.dk ([130.225.194.6] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUarK-000651-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:08:42 -0500 Received: from armada (voop@borg.cs.auc.dk [130.225.194.22]) by mailhost.cs.auc.dk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBC08HAW006736; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:08:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:08:16 +0100 From: Thomas Heide Clausen To: "Usman" Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR Extensions Message-Id: <20031212010816.39e90382.ietflists@free.fr> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:56:56 +0500 "Usman" wrote: > Hello everyone > > can any body tell from where i can download "draft-ietf-manet-olsr- > extensions-00.txt" i've checked in the index of ietf drafts but i cannt > find it, kindly refer me any other links regarding OLSR Extensions. > > with regards > > Usman > Hello Usman, The draft was never published as an Internet draft (we intended it as such, hence the name, but it never seemed appropriate to submit it officially). So it is not to find in the IETF archieves. We might want to look into the draft again to bring it compliant with RFC3626 some time soon. Email me off-list if you are interrested in specific features from the draft, and I will be happy to try and help you. Regards, --thomas _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 11 19:10:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04051 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUasg-0000zW-8N for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC0A6sD003737 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUasf-0000xE-F1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03994 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUasc-00067r-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUasb-00067o-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUasd-0000vu-0Y; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUark-0000jL-Ve for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03919 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:03 -0500 (EST) From: darwazef@uoguelph.ca Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUarh-00065d-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:05 -0500 Received: from mailhub.cs.uoguelph.ca ([131.104.96.75]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUarh-00065Y-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:05 -0500 Received: from gandalf.cs.uoguelph.ca (gandalf.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.189]) by mailhub.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBC0956C008415 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:05 -0500 Received: from gandalf.cs.uoguelph.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBC095kL018639 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:05 -0500 Received: (from wwwmgr@localhost) by gandalf.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC09517018636 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:05 -0500 Received: from CPE0080c6ea1fde-CM014390026713.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (CPE0080c6ea1fde-CM014390026713.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.156.79.218]) by webmail.uoguelph.ca (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1071187744.3fd90720f1915@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:09:04 -0500 To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2-cvs X-Spam-Status: Neutral X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] How to create a new protocol based on AODV?? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, If i want to create a new protocol (with load balancing feature for example) based on AODV. Do i have to modify the aodv.cc and recompile it all over again. OR, there is any way to develop then new protocol in NS-2. I would really appreciate any hints. Thanks. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 11 20:09:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA05919 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUbnu-0004Ak-90 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC19EPN016032 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUbnu-0004AV-3F for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA05898 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUbns-0007KG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUbnr-0007KD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUbni-00045i-6D; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUbmi-00043u-2I for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:08:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA05867 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUbmg-0007JQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:07:58 -0500 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUbmf-0007IG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:07:57 -0500 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id YJWCW2KQ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:01:48 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: , Subject: RE: [manet] How to create a new protocol based on AODV?? Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:07:25 +0900 Message-ID: <000001c3c04c$4dc35400$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1071187744.3fd90720f1915@webmail.uoguelph.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I suggest that your new routing protocol be inherit from AODV agent in c++ side and be called Agent/Your_Agent_Name in tcl space if your design allows. Of course, new packet structures include existing AODV packets. However, it is not bad to write little bit dirty codes by modifying existing files for AODV and test it before you create new routing agent separted from AODV agent. Cheers HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of darwazef@uoguelph.ca > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:09 AM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] How to create a new protocol based on AODV?? > > > > > > Dear all, > > If i want to create a new protocol (with load balancing > feature for example) > based on AODV. Do i have to modify the aodv.cc and recompile > it all over again. 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Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-535905552-1071201497=:17593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, I am doing the simulation to compare performance of different routing for hybrid wireless network? Normally, Ns2 only work with AODV or Mobile IP seperately, doesn't it? How to create a foreign agent work with both AODV and Mobile IP ? Any informations about this, please let me know . Thanks for your help ! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! --0-535905552-1071201497=:17593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear all,
 
I am doing the simulation to compare performance of different routing for hybrid wireless network?
Normally, Ns2 only work with AODV or Mobile IP seperately, doesn't it?
How to create a foreign agent work with both AODV and Mobile IP ?
 
Any informations about this, please let me know .
Thanks for your help !


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FREE for a limited time! --0-535905552-1071201497=:17593-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 11 23:56:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11651 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfLb-0005mf-CD for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:15 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC4uF4l022227 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfLb-0005mQ-7L for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11624 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfLY-0003K3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfLX-0003Jw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfLP-0005i7-IG; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfL2-0005hV-Mo for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:55:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11596 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfL0-0003JY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:55:38 -0500 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfKz-0003Iz-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:55:38 -0500 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id YJWCWJCW; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:49:30 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'minh tam'" , Subject: RE: [manet] How to do simulation with Ns2 for hybrid wireless network? Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:55:07 +0900 Message-ID: <000301c3c06c$1d7629b0$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031212035817.19858.qmail@web20024.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I am interested in your job. I have a plan to simulate MIPv6 with AODV for the performance comparison with my internet draft regarding internet connectivity. Please see my comments below. -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of minh tam Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:58 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] How to do simulation with Ns2 for hybrid wireless network? Dear all, I am doing the simulation to compare performance of different routing for hybrid wireless network? Normally, Ns2 only work with AODV or Mobile IP seperately, doesn't it? How to create a foreign agent work with both AODV and Mobile IP ? => You can find test script test-suite-WLtutorial.tcl in ~/ns-ver/tcl/test directory. In this file, you can refer Test/wireless3 class. As you can see, you can do what you want using -mobileIP , -adhocRouting, and -wiredRouting options assigned with ON, AODV, and ON respectively. When mobileIP and wiredRouting are set to ON, the instvar nodetype of Node/MobileNode created by "create-wireless-node" is set to MIPBS (get-nodetype called in Node instproc init).Then, makemip-NewMIPBS is called in Node/MobileNode instproc init and Agent/MIPBS instance is created and attached to the mobilenode. Please, let me know if you find another problems. Regards, HyunWook Cha _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 00:03:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA11860 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfSF-00067n-Rp for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC537e2023537 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfSF-00067Y-NG for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA11830 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfSD-0003Rh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfSD-0003Re-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfS9-00066O-PI; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfRW-00065e-4L for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:02:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA11813 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfRT-0003Qn-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:02:19 -0500 Received: from hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu ([128.205.7.123] ident=qmailr) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfRT-0003Qj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:02:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 25139 invoked by uid 112170); 12 Dec 2003 05:02:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: Geethapriya Thamilarasu X-Sender: gt7@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] directional antennas in NS2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Has anybody done any work related to simulation of directional antennas in ad-hoc networks using NS2 ?? 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Does anyone have the code for one of these modified versions of aodv protocol(LSR, DLAR, AODV-PA, LBAR) or just the part they modified in aodv? Thanks. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 13:11:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18565 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUrkx-0007eH-Af for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:15 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCIBFV2029402 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUrkx-0007e9-5h for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18544 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUrkv-0003DL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUrku-0003DI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUrkk-0007Zn-SC; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUrkD-0007Yz-0O for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:10:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18532 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUrkB-0003Cz-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:10:27 -0500 Received: from web13208.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.193]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUrk9-0003Cw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:10:26 -0500 Message-ID: <20031212181024.11817.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.210.72.124] by web13208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:10:24 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:10:24 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ngoc=20Ca?= Subject: Re: [manet] asking about Glomosim To: manet@ietf.org, ayank@scires.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id NAA18533 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Andreas, I did it.=20 Now I have a new problem. I am doing a performance evaluations of routing protocol. Most of the available protocols in Glomosim work well, except fisheye. I have tried with window and unix version but it doesn't work. ../application/fisheye.pc:103: failed assertion Abort I really need it. If you have experiences about this, please tell me. Thank for your reponse, Ngoc --- Andreas Yankopolus wrote: > Ngoc,=20 >=20 > I am using GLomosim to do a course project. I would=20 > like to ask you how can we set the number of=20 > source-destination pairs so that they can be chosen=20 > randomly, not by setting each pair as in app.conf=20 > file.=20 >=20 > We use QualNet, a commercial derivitive of GloMoSim, > extensively here at work. For jobs like this, we'll > usually write a Perl script that outputs > configuration files. We mostly do this frequently > for mobility files, but you should be able to write > one that creates app.conf files for you. > =20 > Cheers, > =20 > Andreas >=20 >=20 > =20 ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! Offe= r ends 21st December 2003. 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Belding-Royer" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] MobiHoc 2004 - 1 day Submission Extension Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Due to server backlog and transmission failure problems with the EDAS server last night, MobiHoc 2004 submissions will still be accepted through tonight, 11:59PM PST, December 12, 2003. http://www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 14:28:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21229 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUsxW-0003Uw-Aq for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCJSI2f013440 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUsxW-0003Uh-3L for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21192 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUsxT-00054m-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUsxT-00054j-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUsxF-0003JR-Ki; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUswW-0003IO-Nw for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:27:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21163 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUswU-00051t-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:27:14 -0500 Received: from dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu ([128.174.252.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUswT-00051k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:27:13 -0500 Received: from brooklyn (brooklyn.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.244.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCJRDjI005688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:27:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Robin Kravets" To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:27:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] ACM MobiCom 2003 - Preliminary CFP Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We apologize in advance if you receive multiple copies of this CFP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT=20 AND CALL FOR PAPERS =20 MobiCom 2004 The Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking =20 September 26 - October 1, 2004 Philadelphia, PA, USA (dates and location are subject to final approval) http://www.sigmobile.org/mobicom/2004/ Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE IMPORTANT DATES: Paper registrations due: March 8, 2004 Paper submissions due: March 15, 2004 Notification of acceptance: June 21, 2004 Camera-ready versions due: July 25, 2004 =20 ACM MobiCom 2004, the Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking, is the tenth in the series of annual = conferences sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE and dedicated to addressing the challenges in = the areas of mobile computing and wireless and mobile networking. The = MobiCom conference series serves as the premier international forum addressing networks, systems, algorithms, and applications that support the = symbiosis of mobile computers and wireless networks. MobiCom is a highly = selective, single-track conference focusing on all issues in mobile computing and wireless and mobile networking at the link layer and above. =20 PAPERS: Authors are invited to submit full papers presenting new = research related to the theory or practice of mobile computing and networking. = All submissions must describe original research that is not published or currently under review by another conference or journal. Areas of = interest include, but are not limited to: - Applications and computing services supporting mobile users - Architectures, protocols, and algorithms to cope with mobility, limited bandwidth, or intermittent connectivity - Database and data management issues in mobile computing - Operating system and middleware support for mobile computing and=20 networking - Distributed systems aspects of mobile computing - New mobile and wireless applications - Integration and interworking of wired and wireless networks=09 - Performance of mobile and wireless networks and systems=20 - Location-dependent applications and protocols - Security and privacy of mobile/wireless systems - Mobile ad hoc and sensor networks - Wireless multimedia systems - Algorithms and protocols for power management and control - Service creation and management environments for mobile/wireless systems =20 The program committee will referee all papers, and accepted papers will = be published in the conference proceedings. Selected papers will appear in = a special issue of the ACM/Kluwer Wireless Networks (WINET) journal. =20 CHALLENGES PAPERS: The conference also solicits short papers (maximum of = 8 pages) that challenge the mobile computing community with revolutionary = new approaches, new technologies, or visionary applications. Such papers = should provide stimulating ideas or grand visions that may open up exciting = avenues of far-reaching future research. Descriptions of new products or simple evolution of existing work are not appropriate as Challenges Papers. Challenges Papers will be reviewed and should be submitted using the = normal submission procedure. The title of such papers must start with the word "Challenges," i.e., "Challenges: ... `rest of the title'." =20 SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS: All paper submissions will be handled electronically. Authors should prepare a PDF or a PostScript version of their full paper. Papers must be no longer than 15 pages (8 pages for Challenges submissions), font size not smaller than 10 points, and must = fit properly on U.S. "letter"-sized paper (8.5x11 inches) with reasonable margins. Detailed instructions for the paper submission procedure and = format will be available on the conference web pages. The deadline for = registering the title and the abstract of the paper with our electronic submission system is March 8, 2004 and the deadline for submitting the actual paper = is March 15, 2004. All deadlines are 11:59PM EST. All submitted papers will be judged based on their quality through double-blind review process, where the identities of the authors are withheld from the reviewers. Authors should not be identifiable by any = means from the paper or from the PDF or the Postscript file. Guidelines for preparing the paper for blind reviewing, as well as electronic paper submission instructions, will be available on the conference web pages. Submitted or substantially similar papers must not be currently under = review for any other publication. Please direct any questions regarding paper submission to the Program Co-Chairs, Samir Das and Ravi Jain at mobicom_pcchairs@acm.org. =20 TUTORIALS: Proposals for tutorials are solicited. Evaluation of tutorial proposals will be based on the expertise and experience of the = instructors and on the relevance of the subject matter. Potential instructors are requested to submit a tutorial proposal of at most 5 pages, including a biographical sketch, to the Tutorial Co-Chairs, Andrew Campbell (campbell@ee.columbia.edu) and Taieb Znati (tznati@nsf.gov). The = deadline for tutorial proposals is April 05, 2004. =20 PANELS: Panel proposals are solicited that examine innovative, controversial, or otherwise provocative issues of interest. Panel = proposals should not exceed 3 pages, including biographical sketches of the = panelists. Potential panel organizers should contact the Panel Co-Chairs, Prathima Agrawal (pagrawal@eng.auburn.edu) and Tao Zhang (tao@research.telcordia.com). The deadline for panel proposals is April = 26, 2004. =20 RESEARCH DEMOS AND EXHIBITS: Proposals for research demos are solicited. Proposals should not exceed 3 pages and should include a description of = the demo and equipment to be used. Send proposals to the Research Demo = Chair, Elizabeth Belding-Royer (ebelding@cs.ucsb.edu). The deadline for demo proposals is July 12, 2004. We are also planning an Expo featuring = exhibits of the latest mobile computing products and services. STUDENT POSTER SESSION: Student posters are solicited that present = recent and on-going research by students on mobile computing and mobile and wireless networking topics. Student posters should not exceed 2 pages = and should include a description of the student's research. See above for = paper formatting requirements. Accepted posters will be put on the conference = web page; however, they will not be printed in the conference proceedings. = Send poster submissions to the Student Poster Co-Chairs, Chiara Petrioli (petrioli@di.uniroma1.it) and Stefano Basagni (basagni@ece.neu.edu). The deadline for student posters is July 12, 2004. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD: Papers with a student as a primary author will = be considered for the Best Student Paper Award, with a cash award of 1000 = USD. Students must indicate with their submission that they would like to be considered for this award. The student author of the awarded paper is expected to present the paper at the conference. =20 GENERAL CHAIR Zygmunt Haas Cornell University =20 PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS Samir R. Das Stony Brook University, SUNY =20 Ravi Jain DoCoMo USA Labs STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR Imrich Chlamtac University of Texas at Dallas ACM PROGRAM DIRECTOR Ginger Ignatoff Additional committee members will be announced on the conference web = page. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 18:07:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01652 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwNQ-0005gY-OW for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCN7GFZ021840 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwNP-0005fm-IC for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01585 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwNM-0003kn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwNM-0003kj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwND-0005bE-6Z; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwMf-0005aA-6X for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:06:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01502 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwMc-0003k8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:06:26 -0500 Received: from nn3.excitenetwork.com ([207.159.120.57] helo=xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwMb-0003js-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:06:26 -0500 Received: by xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 8FADB299E4; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:05:53 -0500 (EST) To: manet@ietf.org Received: from [35.9.26.106] by xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:05:53 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 7e9c996e994841da25550eff81ccba9c Reply-To: farshadas@excite.com From: "Farshad" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: farshadas@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031212230553.8FADB299E4@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:05:53 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] choosing an ad-hoc routing implementation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, What is your recommendation for an ad-hoc routing implementation on the following testbed: - Less than 20 nodes (laptops and PocketPC) - Linux platforms but support of Windows would be a great advantage - Suitable for multimedia streaming - Open source code, good documentation and support (I need to make changes to the code for example for intercepting and injecting packets) Thank you - Farshad _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 20:56:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09062 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUz0y-0004R9-Sy for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:26 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBD1uGEr017049 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUz0y-0004Qu-PG for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09016 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUz0w-0007hV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUz0v-0007hS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUz0l-0004Pb-OV; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:56:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUz00-0004Ow-JU for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA08945 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUyzw-0007dG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:12 -0500 Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.40]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUyzw-0007dD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:12 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id hBD1tAY9023672; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:10 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id hBD1tAOV018604; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from tis2 [133.199.160.66] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id LAA18601 ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:10 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp id KAA25496; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id KAA20232; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (inoue@flowerpark [133.196.16.25]) by isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (8.11.7/8.11.6/1.4) with ESMTP id hBD1t8107125; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:08 +0900 (JST) To: nemo@nal.motlabs.com, manet@ietf.org, mobile-ip@sunroof.eng.sun.com, pana@research.telcordia.com X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031213105508E.inoue@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:08 +0900 From: Atsushi Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Call for participation: ICMU2004 Jan.8-9 at Yokosuka Japan Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Apologies if you receive multiple copies) CALL FOR Participation ====================== First International Conference on Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking (ICMU 2004) January 8 and 9, 2004 NTT DoCoMo R&D Center, Yokosuka Research Park, Yokosuka, JAPAN Co-sponsored by IPSJ SIG-MBL (Informaiton Processing Society of Japan, Special Interest Group of Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking) and IPSJ SG-BCC (Study Group of Broadcast Communicaiton and Computing) Advanced Program: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See http://www.ipsj.or.jp/sig/mbl/icmu2004/ Scope ~~~~~~ Mobile computing aims at ubiquitous user access to computer application. To make it possible, networking technology which enables Internet access anytime and everywhere, i.e. ubiquitous networking is necessary. It is obvious that with the accelerating trends towards mobile networks, ad-hoc networks, and wireless networks, mobile computing and ubiquitous networking will play an important role in future network. This conference is aimed at providing researchers and practitioners in this hot research area a forum for discussion and collaboration. Authors are invited to submit papers addressing, but not limited to, the following topics: - Applications and services for mobile computing - Network architectures, protocols, or service models for ubiquitous networking - Network management for ubiquitous networking - Data management for mobile computing - Security in mobile computing and ubiquitous networking - Wireless and mobile communications - Nomadic computing - Ad-hoc networks - Mobile Internetworking - Performance evaluation for mobile computing and ubiquitous networking systems - Location Based Service - Broadcast Communication Location and Date: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The location of the NTT DoCoMo R&D Center is in the heart of Yokosuka Research Park(YRP) where a lot of wireless communication related research institutes are established. YRP is really the heart of wireless communications research in Japan. Japanese old city Kamakura, a famous historic city, is 30 minutes by train. Beginning of the year is one of the best seasons for visiting Japan. --- Susumu ISHIHARA Faculty of Engineering, Shizuoka University 3-5-1 Johoku, Hamamatsu 432-8561, JAPAN ishiahra@ishilab.net http://www.ishilab.net/ (Apologies if you receive multiple copies) CALL FOR Participation ====================== First International Conference on Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking (ICMU 2004) January 8 and 9, 2004 NTT DoCoMo R&D Center, Yokosuka Research Park, Yokosuka, JAPAN Co-sponsored by IPSJ SIG-MBL (Informaiton Processing Society of Japan, Special Interest Group of Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking) and IPSJ SG-BCC (Study Group of Broadcast Communicaiton and Computing) Advanced Program: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See http://www.ipsj.or.jp/sig/mbl/icmu2004/ Scope ~~~~~~ Mobile computing aims at ubiquitous user access to computer application. To make it possible, networking technology which enables Internet access anytime and everywhere, i.e. ubiquitous networking is necessary. It is obvious that with the accelerating trends towards mobile networks, ad-hoc networks, and wireless networks, mobile computing and ubiquitous networking will play an important role in future network. This conference is aimed at providing researchers and practitioners in this hot research area a forum for discussion and collaboration. Authors are invited to submit papers addressing, but not limited to, the following topics: - Applications and services for mobile computing - Network architectures, protocols, or service models for ubiquitous networking - Network management for ubiquitous networking - Data management for mobile computing - Security in mobile computing and ubiquitous networking - Wireless and mobile communications - Nomadic computing - Ad-hoc networks - Mobile Internetworking - Performance evaluation for mobile computing and ubiquitous networking systems - Location Based Service - Broadcast Communication Location and Date: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The location of the NTT DoCoMo R&D Center is in the heart of Yokosuka Research Park(YRP) where a lot of wireless communication related research institutes are established. YRP is really the heart of wireless communications research in Japan. Japanese old city Kamakura, a famous historic city, is 30 minutes by train. 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esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AV6zu-0007kT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:27:42 -0500 Received: from anyida.tts.lth.se ([130.235.18.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AV6zt-0007kQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:27:42 -0500 Received: from ww2.telecom.lth.se (lina36.tts.lth.se [130.235.18.156]) by anyida.tts.lth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29589; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:27:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from 217.208.138.149 (SquirrelMail authenticated user andersn) by ww2.telecom.lth.se with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:20:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> In-Reply-To: <001801c3c152$c7f61c60$c1f1d8d3@etri7fodix6mw4> References: <20031213040855.70526.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c3c152$c7f61c60$c1f1d8d3@etri7fodix6mw4> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:20:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? To: "HyunWook Cha" Cc: manet@ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by anyida.tts.lth.se id LAA29589 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Why don't you have a look at any of the existing publications that solves exactly what you are trying to do? The below are just a few, there is mor= e of them out there. Check google. For example: "AODV and IPv6 Internet Access for Ad hoc Networks", Nilsson et al. ACM SIGMOBILE Mobile Computing and Communications Review=20 archive Volume 6 , Issue 3 (July 2002). "Providing internet access to mobile ad hoc networks". George Andreadis, University College London. Global connectivity for IPv6 mobile ad hoc networks, " Internet Draft (Work in Progress) draft-wakikawa-manet-globalv6-03.txt, Internet Engineering Task Force. "Internet connectivity for ad hoc mobile networks," International Journa= l of Wireless Information Networks, Special Issue on Mobile Ad hoc Networks, 2002. Yuan Sun, Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, and Charles E. Perkins. Internet connectivity for mobile ad hoc networks WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE COMPUTING Wirel. Commun. Mob. Comput. 2002; 2:465=96 482 (DOI: 10.1002/wcm.71) Perkins et.al. "Global Connectivity for IPv4 Mobile Ad hoc Networks."IETF Internet Draft, draft-royer-manet-globalv4-00.txt, November 2001 (Work in Progress). Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, Yuan Sun, and Charles E. Perkins. I also strongly recomend MIPMANET, that also builds on AODV like you describe: "MIPMANET-Mobile IP for Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." in Proceedings of IEEE/ACM Workshop on Mobile and Ad Hoc Networking and Computing, Boston, MA USA, August 1999. There is also a NS-2 package that do this for you: AODV+ You can find it on the NS-2 webpage: http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-contributed. regards, Anders > Hello, minh tam. > > Actually I have never simulated this kind of scenario where AODV provid= es > internet connectivity for a mobile node with MIP. I have only AODV > internet connectivity simulations. > Right. The example in ns2 does not provide what you want. As I mentione= d > before, I am also interested in this scenario and could check existing > facility (mainly mobilenode architecture in tcl side) for this task. Th= at > is, base station with AODV plus HA(or FA) and mobile node with AODV plu= s > MN can be provided in NS2 without your effort. > > Since I have not looked though MIPv4 implementation in ns2, I can help = you > much. But , what I am going to do are as follow. > > 1. When MIPMH agent want to discover available agents(HA or FA), it sen= ds > broadcast agent solicitation. If no agents are available within one hop > range(some timer expires), MIPMH agent gets information(hop count, > per_hop_time etc..) about reachable GWs from AODV and send agent > solicitation msg to selected one or multiple GWs. It can set timeout va= lue > using information from AODV. Then, MIPMH agent try MIP registration > through FA(s) which sent the agent advertisement received firstly or > within some period. > > 2. If AODV does not have available GW info, AODV send GW solicitation. > When AODV finds available GWs, above 1 can be done succesfully. > > 3. Embedding MIP adv solication message to broadcast GW solicitation > message(modified RREQ) by defining new flag(MIP adv) can reduce delay f= or > Agent discovery. > > As you can see, I consider MIPMH agent as a client of AODV and AODV > provides only route discovery and GW infos for MIP agent. Different > approaches can be possible. > > I hope that this suggestion can be helpful. > > Have a nice weekend. > > HyunWook Cha. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: minh tam > To: jafy@etri.re.kr > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:08 PM > Subject: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless networ= k? > > > Hi, > > Please see my attachment . > Thanks so much for your help! > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 13 08:42:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA03875 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVA2D-00051Y-2t for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBDDgGxE019306 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVA2C-00051J-Pd for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA03865 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVA2B-0002Hn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVA2B-0002Hk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVA1y-0004zz-8P; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:42:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVA1b-0004zU-Q4 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:41:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA03849 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVA1a-0002Gp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:41:38 -0500 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVA1Z-0002GU-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:41:37 -0500 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:48:47 +0800 X-EYOU-ORIGINAL-IP: 10.13.72.25 X-EYOU-ENVELOPE-MAILFROM: shzju@eyou.com Received: from unknown (HELO ken) (unknown@10.13.72.25) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:48:47 +0800 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:38:34 +0800 From: Hang Su To: manet@ietf.org, bianchi@elet.polimit.it.cnri.reston.va.us, ilenia.tinnirello@tti.unipa.it Message-Id: <20031213213834.4ab6f316.shzju@eyou.com> Organization: Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou, China X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] A question about the conditional collision probability in saturation model of IEEE 802.11 DCF Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all, In the paper [1]Giuseppe Bianchi and Ilenia Tinnirello "Kalman Filter Estimation of the Number of Competing Terminals in an IEEE 802.11 network" Infocom 2003 the conditional collision probabiltiy p can be obtained via the Eqution (4) p=(C_busy + C_coll) / B Here the C_busy is the busy slot that is occupyed by the other nodes and the C_coll is the collision slot in which the channel is occupyed by more than one nodes. To approve the saturation model, I prepare some simulations through GlomoSim. The parameters in simulation is , 10 nodes in an area (100m x 100m). The transmission range of each node is 250m. That is to say each node can be reached through one hop. The network is in saturation state ,in which the tx queue of every node is assured to have at least one packet to send. DSSS PHY is adopted (Slot time is 20us). The simulation is 50 second. Below was the simulation result. special node 0, total: 2500000, idle: 45883, recv: 2071694, tx: 219920, sense 162503 special node 1, total: 2500000, idle: 45530, recv: 1981407, tx: 325007, sense 148056 special node 2, total: 2500000, idle: 45515, recv: 2008268, tx: 285465, sense 160752 special node 3, total: 2500000, idle: 45609, recv: 1996199, tx: 272473, sense 185719 special node 4, total: 2500000, idle: 45627, recv: 2032096, tx: 271156, sense 151121 special node 5, total: 2500000, idle: 45633, recv: 2063502, tx: 227049, sense 163816 special node 6, total: 2500000, idle: 45723, recv: 1998867, tx: 274952, sense 180458 special node 7, total: 2500000, idle: 45701, recv: 2023372, tx: 256598, sense 174329 special node 8, total: 2500000, idle: 45557, recv: 2012076, tx: 276791, sense 165576 special node 9, total: 2500000, idle: 45647, recv: 1988906, tx: 284107, sense 181340 "total" means the total number of slot times, and so on. According to the equation (4) in [1], p=(recv+sense)/total. For example, the p of node 0 is (2071694+162503)/25e5=0.8937. Obviously, the value of p obtained here is wrong. Where did I make mistakes??? I would really appreciate any hints! -- Hang Su. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 13 23:23:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA21367 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVNml-0005DN-NK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBE4NF9x020039 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVNml-0005D8-HO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA21357 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVNmj-0005Gx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVNmj-0005Gt-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVNmX-0005By-MF; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVNlx-0005AU-PG for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:22:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA21350 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVNlv-0005F8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:22:23 -0500 Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in ([144.16.64.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVNlu-0005F5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:22:22 -0500 Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBE4SYAH031783 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:58:34 +0530 (IST) Received: from localhost (nandini@localhost) by ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id hBE4SXdi031780 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:58:34 +0530 (IST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:58:33 +0530 (IST) From: Nandini To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] Time Slots and Collision Probability Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I'm working on collision probabilities for 802.11 networks. What is the significance of the parameter time slot =20us for 802.11b networks? Normally it is assumed that all the clocks are synchronised in a simulation scenario. Generally if a transmission occurs at the beginning of slot one, then at slot 2 all stations will detect the medium to be busy. But in real life scenario it may not be so. If a transmission occured somewhere in the middle of the previous slot will the station be able to detect that the medium is busy in the current slot? Thus if the clocks are asynchronous how will this affect the collision probability in real life? 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C215.8D15E444-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 14 19:03:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA02769 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgCf-0008DY-BH for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBF03D40031582 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgCe-0008DJ-Re for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA02754 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgCb-0006cQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgCb-0006cN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgCT-0008Bu-FW; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgBu-0008BL-GW for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:02:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA02726 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgBr-0006bX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:02:23 -0500 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgBq-0006Ze-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:02:22 -0500 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id YJWCWQ50; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:56:07 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:01:59 +0900 Message-ID: <004e01c3c29e$a97934a0$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Anders. Thanks for many references. I already refered most of them. Do not misunderstand that I am trying to do this job overlooking existing good research results. As I already mentioned, I just want to compare my I-D with the integration of AODV and MIPv6 through NS-2 simulation. I also finished implementing my extended support for AODV internet connectivity. So, I am trying to integrate AODV and MIPv6. As far as I know, there exist no pulbic NS2 implementations for this. If you know, please correct me. MIP-MANET fits for minh Tam who are discussing about this with me, but does not for me since I want MIPv6 plus AODV. I just mentioned my idea for integrating existing AODV with existing MIPv6 with minimal modification in NS2. And I do not insist that my list of implementation consideration(or rough design) is absolutely new and correct. Anyway, thank you for listing nice papers related to this subject. HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: andersn@telecom.lth.se [mailto:andersn@telecom.lth.se] > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:21 PM > To: HyunWook Cha > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 > for hybrid wireless network? > > > > Hello, > > Why don't you have a look at any of the existing publications > that solves exactly what you are trying to do? The below are > just a few, there is more of them out there. Check google. > > For example: > "AODV and IPv6 Internet Access for Ad hoc Networks", > Nilsson et al. ACM SIGMOBILE Mobile Computing and > Communications Review > archive Volume 6 , Issue 3 (July 2002). > > "Providing internet access to mobile ad hoc networks". > George Andreadis, University College London. > > Global connectivity for IPv6 mobile ad hoc networks, " > Internet Draft (Work in Progress) > draft-wakikawa-manet-globalv6-03.txt, Internet Engineering Task Force. > > "Internet connectivity for ad hoc mobile networks," > International Journal of Wireless Information Networks, > Special Issue on Mobile Ad hoc Networks, 2002. Yuan Sun, > Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, and Charles E. Perkins. > > Internet connectivity for mobile ad hoc networks > WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE COMPUTING > Wirel. Commun. Mob. Comput. 2002; 2:465- 482 (DOI: > 10.1002/wcm.71) Perkins et.al. > > "Global Connectivity for IPv4 Mobile Ad hoc Networks."IETF > Internet Draft, draft-royer-manet-globalv4-00.txt, November > 2001 (Work in Progress). Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, Yuan > Sun, and Charles E. Perkins. > > I also strongly recomend MIPMANET, that also builds on AODV like you > describe: > > "MIPMANET-Mobile IP for Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." in > Proceedings of IEEE/ACM Workshop on Mobile and Ad Hoc > Networking and Computing, Boston, MA USA, August 1999. > > There is also a NS-2 package that do this for you: AODV+ > You can find it on the NS-2 webpage: > http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-contributed. > > regards, > > Anders > > > > Hello, minh tam. > > > > Actually I have never simulated this kind of scenario where AODV > > provides internet connectivity for a mobile node with MIP. > I have only > > AODV internet connectivity simulations. Right. The example > in ns2 does > > not provide what you want. As I mentioned before, I am also > interested > > in this scenario and could check existing facility (mainly > mobilenode > > architecture in tcl side) for this task. That is, base station with > > AODV plus HA(or FA) and mobile node with AODV plus MN can > be provided > > in NS2 without your effort. > > > > Since I have not looked though MIPv4 implementation in ns2, > I can help > > you much. But , what I am going to do are as follow. > > > > 1. When MIPMH agent want to discover available agents(HA or FA), it > > sends broadcast agent solicitation. If no agents are > available within > > one hop range(some timer expires), MIPMH agent gets information(hop > > count, per_hop_time etc..) about reachable GWs from AODV and send > > agent solicitation msg to selected one or multiple GWs. It can set > > timeout value using information from AODV. Then, MIPMH > agent try MIP > > registration through FA(s) which sent the agent > advertisement received > > firstly or within some period. > > > > 2. If AODV does not have available GW info, AODV send GW > solicitation. > > When AODV finds available GWs, above 1 can be done succesfully. > > > > 3. Embedding MIP adv solication message to broadcast GW > solicitation > > message(modified RREQ) by defining new flag(MIP adv) can > reduce delay > > for Agent discovery. > > > > As you can see, I consider MIPMH agent as a client of AODV and AODV > > provides only route discovery and GW infos for MIP agent. Different > > approaches can be possible. > > > > I hope that this suggestion can be helpful. > > > > Have a nice weekend. > > > > HyunWook Cha. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: minh tam > > To: jafy@etri.re.kr > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:08 PM > > Subject: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless > > network? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Please see my attachment . > > Thanks so much for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Yahoo! Personals > > - New people, new possibilities. 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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:32:02 +0900 Message-ID: <004f01c3c2a2$db987c80$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004e01c3c29e$a97934a0$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. I should correct my previous response. Actually, my list is related to the integration of MIPv4 and AODV, and it is not exactly what I am going to do. Regards, HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of HyunWook Cha > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:02 AM > To: andersn@telecom.lth.se > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 > for hybrid wireless network? > > > > Hello, Anders. > > Thanks for many references. I already refered most of them. > Do not misunderstand that I am trying to do this job > overlooking existing good research results. As I already > mentioned, I just want to compare my I-D with the integration > of AODV and MIPv6 through NS-2 simulation. I also finished > implementing my extended support for AODV internet > connectivity. So, I am trying to integrate AODV and MIPv6. As > far as I know, there exist no pulbic NS2 implementations for > this. If you know, please correct me. > > MIP-MANET fits for minh Tam who are discussing about this > with me, but does not for me since I want MIPv6 plus AODV. > > I just mentioned my idea for integrating existing AODV with > existing MIPv6 with minimal modification in NS2. And I do not > insist that my list of implementation consideration(or rough > design) is absolutely new and correct. > > Anyway, thank you for listing nice papers related to this subject. > > HyunWook Cha > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: andersn@telecom.lth.se [mailto:andersn@telecom.lth.se] > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:21 PM > > To: HyunWook Cha > > Cc: manet@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 > > for hybrid wireless network? > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Why don't you have a look at any of the existing publications > > that solves exactly what you are trying to do? The below are > > just a few, there is more of them out there. Check google. > > > > For example: > > "AODV and IPv6 Internet Access for Ad hoc Networks", > > Nilsson et al. ACM SIGMOBILE Mobile Computing and > > Communications Review > > archive Volume 6 , Issue 3 (July 2002). > > > > "Providing internet access to mobile ad hoc networks". > > George Andreadis, University College London. > > > > Global connectivity for IPv6 mobile ad hoc networks, " > > Internet Draft (Work in Progress) > > draft-wakikawa-manet-globalv6-03.txt, Internet Engineering > Task Force. > > > > "Internet connectivity for ad hoc mobile networks," > > International Journal of Wireless Information Networks, > > Special Issue on Mobile Ad hoc Networks, 2002. Yuan Sun, > > Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, and Charles E. Perkins. > > > > Internet connectivity for mobile ad hoc networks > > WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE COMPUTING > > Wirel. Commun. Mob. Comput. 2002; 2:465- 482 (DOI: > > 10.1002/wcm.71) Perkins et.al. > > > > "Global Connectivity for IPv4 Mobile Ad hoc Networks."IETF > > Internet Draft, draft-royer-manet-globalv4-00.txt, November > > 2001 (Work in Progress). Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, Yuan > > Sun, and Charles E. Perkins. > > > > I also strongly recomend MIPMANET, that also builds on AODV like you > > describe: > > > > "MIPMANET-Mobile IP for Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." in > > Proceedings of IEEE/ACM Workshop on Mobile and Ad Hoc > > Networking and Computing, Boston, MA USA, August 1999. > > > > There is also a NS-2 package that do this for you: AODV+ > > You can find it on the NS-2 webpage: > > http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-contributed. > > > > regards, > > > > Anders > > > > > > > Hello, minh tam. > > > > > > Actually I have never simulated this kind of scenario where AODV > > > provides internet connectivity for a mobile node with MIP. > > I have only > > > AODV internet connectivity simulations. Right. The example > > in ns2 does > > > not provide what you want. As I mentioned before, I am also > > interested > > > in this scenario and could check existing facility (mainly > > mobilenode > > > architecture in tcl side) for this task. That is, base > station with > > > AODV plus HA(or FA) and mobile node with AODV plus MN can > > be provided > > > in NS2 without your effort. > > > > > > Since I have not looked though MIPv4 implementation in ns2, > > I can help > > > you much. But , what I am going to do are as follow. > > > > > > 1. When MIPMH agent want to discover available agents(HA > or FA), it > > > sends broadcast agent solicitation. If no agents are > > available within > > > one hop range(some timer expires), MIPMH agent gets > information(hop > > > count, per_hop_time etc..) about reachable GWs from AODV and send > > > agent solicitation msg to selected one or multiple GWs. > It can set > > > timeout value using information from AODV. Then, MIPMH > > agent try MIP > > > registration through FA(s) which sent the agent > > advertisement received > > > firstly or within some period. > > > > > > 2. If AODV does not have available GW info, AODV send GW > > solicitation. > > > When AODV finds available GWs, above 1 can be done succesfully. > > > > > > 3. Embedding MIP adv solication message to broadcast GW > > solicitation > > > message(modified RREQ) by defining new flag(MIP adv) can > > reduce delay > > > for Agent discovery. > > > > > > As you can see, I consider MIPMH agent as a client of > AODV and AODV > > > provides only route discovery and GW infos for MIP agent. > Different > > > approaches can be possible. > > > > > > I hope that this suggestion can be helpful. > > > > > > Have a nice weekend. > > > > > > HyunWook Cha. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: minh tam > > > To: jafy@etri.re.kr > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:08 PM > > > Subject: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless > > > network? > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Please see my attachment . > > > Thanks so much for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------- > > > Yahoo! Personals > > > - New people, new possibilities. 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Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 15 09:41:56 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09934 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVtuZ-00069s-Dx for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:28 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBFEfRCi023664 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVtuY-00069b-Jq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09888 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVtuW-0005gh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:24 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVtuW-0005ge-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVtuL-00066w-V5; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:41:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVtto-00065u-0B for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:40:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09861 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVttm-0005fZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:40:38 -0500 Received: from sam.comnets.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.186.10] helo=bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVttl-0005fW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:40:37 -0500 Received: from scoobydoo (scoobydoo.comnets.uni-bremen.de [134.102.155.152]) by bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with ESMTP id hBFEeaQ12007 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:40:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bugs.comnets.uni-bremen.de: Host scoobydoo.comnets.uni-bremen.de [134.102.155.152] claimed to be scoobydoo From: "Koojana Kuladinithi" To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:41:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c3c319$88171a40$989b6686@scoobydoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Why does RFC 3561 says to update the lifetime of an INVALID route? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can somebody explain following texts in RFC 3561.=20 (in section 6.11 last paragraph) "If a data packet is received for an invalid route, the lifetime field = is updated to current time plus DELETE-PERIOD". According to sec. 6.11, a node sends a RERR (after detecting a link = break to a neighbour) and set affected routes as invalid for a DELETE-PERIOD. = What is the purpose of updating lifetime of an INVALID route as explained above? Kind regards Koojana =20 University of Bremen FB 1 - IKOM/ComNets Koojana Kuladinithi BSc, MSc Otto-Hahn-Allee NW 1 28359 Bremen - Germany Tel.: +49 421 218 8264, Fax: +49 421 218 3601, Mobile: +49 160 2690070 Email: kuladinithi@ikom.org =20 koo@comnets.uni-bremen.de=20 =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 15 10:37:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14057 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVuma-0008Mi-85 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBFFbGAX032150 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVumZ-0008MT-ST for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14038 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVumX-00074R-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVumX-00074O-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVumM-0008JX-Td; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:37:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVum5-0008Iu-Sd for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:36:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14032 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVum3-00074L-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:36:43 -0500 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVum2-00074H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:36:43 -0500 Received: from kenai.cs.ucsb.edu (csil [128.111.41.12]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBFFac228140; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Chakeres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16349.54532.193421.102818@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:36:36 -0800 To: "Koojana Kuladinithi" Cc: Subject: RE:[manet] Why does RFC 3561 says to update the lifetime of an INVALID route? In-Reply-To: <000b01c3c319$88171a40$989b6686@scoobydoo> References: <000b01c3c319$88171a40$989b6686@scoobydoo> X-Mailer: VM 7.15 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: idc@cs.ucsb.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The purpose is to remember the sequence number for a longer period of time. This helps other nodes know exactly which routes are invalid. Ian Chakeres >Koojana Kuladinithi wrote: >Hello all, > >Can somebody explain following texts in RFC 3561. > >(in section 6.11 last paragraph) > >"If a data packet is received for an invalid route, the lifetime field is >updated to current time plus DELETE-PERIOD". > >According to sec. 6.11, a node sends a RERR (after detecting a link break to >a neighbour) and set affected routes as invalid for a DELETE-PERIOD. What is >the purpose of updating lifetime of an INVALID route as explained above? > >Kind regards > >Koojana > > > >University of Bremen >FB 1 - IKOM/ComNets >Koojana Kuladinithi BSc, MSc >Otto-Hahn-Allee NW 1 >28359 Bremen - Germany > >Tel.: +49 421 218 8264, Fax: +49 421 218 3601, Mobile: +49 160 2690070 >Email: kuladinithi@ikom.org >koo@comnets.uni-bremen.de > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 15 13:50:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20041 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVxnM-00011Q-FH for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBFIoGBi003922 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVxnM-00011B-BF for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19971 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVxnK-0002WV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:14 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVxnJ-0002WQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AVxnJ-0003D8-IJ for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVxn9-0000xF-Ap; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVxmS-0000s0-Tg for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:49:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19902 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVxmQ-0002TQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:49:18 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVxmQ-0002St-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:49:18 -0500 Received: from zephyrin (byzantium.inria.fr [128.93.17.6]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBFImhH07352; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:48:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00d401c3c33c$07e35960$1f175d80@inria.fr> From: "Philippe Jacquet" To: , References: <20031212230553.8FADB299E4@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> Subject: Re: [manet] choosing an ad-hoc routing implementation Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:48:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe OLSR will fullfil your requirements. There are Linux and Windows implementations of OLSR, links are on http://hipercom.inria.fr/olsr/. Sorry if the links are not fully updated with recently advertized new releases. Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Farshad To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: [manet] choosing an ad-hoc routing implementation > > Hi folks, > > What is your recommendation for an ad-hoc routing implementation on the following testbed: > > - Less than 20 nodes (laptops and PocketPC) > - Linux platforms but support of Windows would be a great advantage > - Suitable for multimedia streaming > - Open source code, good documentation and support (I need to make changes to the code for example for intercepting and injecting packets) > > Thank you - > Farshad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 15 14:21:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21172 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVyHM-0002Nt-Bz for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBFJLG9B009159 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVyHM-0002Ne-8K for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21155 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVyHJ-00035u-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVyHJ-00035r-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVyH8-0002JR-OV; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVyH3-0002Iv-7l for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21152 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVyH0-00035k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:54 -0500 Received: from mintaka.isr.umd.edu ([128.8.111.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVyGz-00034p-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:53 -0500 Received: from clueless.isr.umd.edu (IDENT:karir@clueless.isr.umd.edu [128.8.111.127]) by mintaka.isr.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFJK5uK026568 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: Manish Karir To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? In-Reply-To: <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> Message-ID: References: <20031213040855.70526.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c3c152$c7f61c60$c1f1d8d3@etri7fodix6mw4> <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I would also like to point out: - J. McGee, M. Karir, et. al., Implementing Ad Hoc to Terrestrial Network Gateways, in Proceedings of 2nd International Conference on Wired/Wireless Internet Communications (WWIC 2004), Frankfurt, Germany, Feb 2004. in which we take a different approach. Instead of using MIP we integrate a terrestrial routing protocol with an adhoc routing protocol(OSPF<->AODV, or MOSPF<->MAODV) The gateway is implemented in Linux.... please let me know if you would like a copy of this paper...or the modified AODV code...no modifications were necessary to OSPF(/MOSPF) -manish On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 andersn@telecom.lth.se wrote: > Hello, > > Why don't you have a look at any of the existing publications that solves > exactly what you are trying to do? The below are just a few, there is mor= e > of them out there. Check google. > > For example: > "AODV and IPv6 Internet Access for Ad hoc Networks", > Nilsson et al. ACM SIGMOBILE Mobile Computing and Communications Review > archive Volume 6 , Issue 3 (July 2002). > > "Providing internet access to mobile ad hoc networks". > George Andreadis, University College London. > > Global connectivity for IPv6 mobile ad hoc networks, " Internet Draft > (Work in Progress) draft-wakikawa-manet-globalv6-03.txt, Internet > Engineering Task Force. > > "Internet connectivity for ad hoc mobile networks," International Journa= l > of Wireless Information Networks, Special Issue on Mobile Ad hoc > Networks, 2002. Yuan Sun, Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, and Charles E. > Perkins. > > Internet connectivity for mobile ad hoc networks > WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE COMPUTING > Wirel. Commun. Mob. Comput. 2002; 2:465=96 482 (DOI: 10.1002/wcm.71) > Perkins et.al. > > "Global Connectivity for IPv4 Mobile Ad hoc Networks."IETF Internet > Draft, draft-royer-manet-globalv4-00.txt, November 2001 (Work in > Progress). > Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, Yuan Sun, and Charles E. Perkins. > > I also strongly recomend MIPMANET, that also builds on AODV like you > describe: > > "MIPMANET-Mobile IP for Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." in Proceedings of > IEEE/ACM Workshop on Mobile and Ad Hoc Networking and Computing, Boston, > MA USA, August 1999. > > There is also a NS-2 package that do this for you: AODV+ > You can find it on the NS-2 webpage: > http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-contributed. > > regards, > > Anders > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 15 20:31:56 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA10593 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW43Y-0008Fo-8h for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:26 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBG1VOJN031722 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW43X-0008FZ-Bg for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA10587 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW43V-0001qE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AW43U-0001q5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:20 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW43U-0001q2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW43F-0008EA-5P; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:31:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW42I-0008CJ-Lq for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA10464 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW42G-0001nq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AW42F-0001nj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:04 -0500 Received: from csa.iisc.ernet.in ([144.16.67.8]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW42F-0001ne-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:03 -0500 Received: from kohinoor.csa.iisc.ernet.in (kohinoor.csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.10]) by csa.iisc.ernet.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3B22B9E6 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:40:12 +0530 (IST) Received: from osiris.csa.iisc.ernet.in (osiris.csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.12]) by kohinoor.csa.iisc.ernet.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2841E952 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:56 +0530 (IST) Received: by osiris.csa.iisc.ernet.in (Postfix, from userid 9302) id 2191167EA5; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:52 +0530 (IST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by osiris.csa.iisc.ernet.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0591D67E9F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:51 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:51 +0530 (IST) From: Hasan Raza To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] Multiuser Receiver Model Implementation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hello, I am looking for implementation of the multiuser reciever model in the ad-hoc network simulators. If somebody has implemented any of such kind of receivers, then please help me. I am trying to model conventional multiuser detector in Glomosim simulator. But there are enough details which play crucial role in the operation of the receiver. I am confused, how to model such receivers. Any pointer for the topic will be appreciable. Thanks Hasan _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 01:40:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19043 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW8sg-0001Mz-IM for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBG6eURJ005259 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW8sg-0001Mk-Ah for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19034 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW8sd-0002hJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:27 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AW8sc-0002hB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:26 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW8sc-0002h8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW8sH-0001L2-QE; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:40:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW8rj-0001Jh-Ew for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:39:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19022 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW8rg-0002g3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:39:28 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AW8rf-0002fw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:39:27 -0500 Received: from melanieb.vtt.fi ([130.188.1.12]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW8re-0002fT-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:39:27 -0500 Received: from elemail.ele.vtt.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by melanieb.vtt.fi (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBG6c635017434; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:38:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from oulkv10326.vtt.fi (ele4114.ele.vtt.fi [130.188.94.114]) by elemail.ele.vtt.fi (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11163; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:38:55 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20031216082217.00c37420@elemail.ele.vtt.fi> X-Sender: eleppa@elemail.ele.vtt.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:38:52 +0200 To: manet@ietf.org;, nemo@ietf.org From: Pekka =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pääkkönen?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Subject: [manet] draft submission Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have submitted an individual draft, which focuses on IPv6 addressing in a heterogeneous MANET-network. Any comments on the subject are welcome. Pekka P=E4=E4kk=F6nen draft URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-paakkonen-addressing-htr-manet-00.= txt =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 06:26:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11588 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDLE-0005i8-1N for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGBQGOL021946 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDLD-0005ht-SM for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11578 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDL9-0005bQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDL8-0005bG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:11 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDL7-0005b6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AWDLA-0002PA-2K for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDKz-0005dM-Fp; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:26:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDKs-0005ci-1b for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11566 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDKo-0005aQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:50 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDKn-0005aJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:49 -0500 Received: from web21207.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.165]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDKn-0005aG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20031216112549.93510.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.254.20] by web21207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:25:49 PST Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: vishak sivakumar To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] doubt in simulating MANET Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 hi everybody, to simulate a manet which protocol is best suitable. i guess it should the AODV but i am not sure since i am amatuer in this area. and also to install NS-2 we need any special versions/make of linux or any linux is suited for installing ns-2. i also found that there are lot of versions of ns-2. i want to know whether the 2.19a version will be ok or any versions will suit for the simulation for manets. i think anyone who knows abt this will be able to help me out. please do help me a s a p. thanx in advance with regards, vishak ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 06:30:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11744 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDP6-0006Bu-LA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGBUGBK023792 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDP6-0006Be-FY for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11702 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDP2-0005iY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDP0-0005iK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDP0-0005iG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDOt-0005zs-L9; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:30:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDOj-0005zF-UO for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:29:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11685 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDOf-0005hp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:29:50 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDOf-0005hi-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:29:49 -0500 Received: from promet2.deis.unibo.it ([137.204.59.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDOe-0005hf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:29:48 -0500 Received: from manson.deis.unibo.it (edu201.deis.unibo.it [137.204.45.201]) by promet2.deis.unibo.it (8.12.2-20030924/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hBGBTmwh018582 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:29:48 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031216122751.02870f50@rdn.it> X-Sender: p30820@mail.deis.unibo.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:29:51 +0100 To: manet@ietf.org From: Dario Bottazzi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [manet] MANET Emulation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 does anybody know if there is an available MANET emulation tool for ethernet environments? Thanks Dario _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 06:49:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12228 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDhQ-0006y8-Ap for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGBnCDI026782 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDhQ-0006xt-1D for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12219 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDhL-0006Cu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:07 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDhK-0006Cn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDhK-0006Ck-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDhF-0006qM-9R; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:49:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDgZ-0006pw-2q for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12214 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDgU-0006Bv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDgT-0006Bo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:14 -0500 Received: from xenia.media.mit.edu ([18.85.3.135]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDgT-0006Be-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:13 -0500 Received: from Helium (hotwire-21-86-ind.hotwireindia.com [210.7.86.21] (may be forged)) by xenia.media.mit.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/XENIA) with ESMTP id hBGBm1nA400723; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Ankur Jain" To: "Dario Bottazzi" Cc: Subject: RE: [manet] MANET Emulation Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:19:14 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031216122751.02870f50@rdn.it> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dario, I would suggest you to have a look at MobiEmu: A Mobility Emulator for Ad-Hoc Networks http://www.wins.hrl.com/projects/adhoc/ If you want to have a wireless testbed, you may consider Ad Hoc Protocol Evaluation testbed (APE). http://apetestbed.sourceforge.net/ I think there is another tool available from Virginia Tech. Please find it at http://www.ecpe.vt.edu/. Hope it helps. Regards, Ankur -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dario Bottazzi Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] MANET Emulation does anybody know if there is an available MANET emulation tool for ethernet environments? Thanks Dario _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 10:39:18 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18483 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWHHf-0005ix-7a for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:51 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGFcpho021997 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWHHe-0005ii-T8 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18391 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWHHc-000508-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWHHD-0004vb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:47 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWHHC-0004vW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWHGv-0005XV-F2; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:38:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWHGi-0005UL-ET for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:37:52 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18221 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWHGf-0004nY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:37:49 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWHGO-0004jV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:37:44 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWHGM-0004bL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:37:31 -0500 Received: from rainer.bnt.com ([12.4.218.18]) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AWGBC-0007y5-Ej for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:28:06 -0500 Received: from LAPTOPPC ([198.70.230.133]) by rainer.bnt.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBGERmer065993; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from taolin@vt.edu) Message-ID: <002601c3c3e0$c50bee90$0402a8c0@LAPTOPPC> From: "Tao Lin" To: "Ankur Jain" , "Dario Bottazzi" Cc: References: Subject: Re: [manet] MANET Emulation Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The description of the tool from Virginia Tech is available at http://io.irean.vt.edu/~tlin/index.html and source code can be downloaded from http://sourceforge.net/projects/dynamic-switch. Thanks. Tao Lin Ph.D. Candidate Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) ECE Department Virginia Tech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ankur Jain" To: "Dario Bottazzi" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:49 AM Subject: RE: [manet] MANET Emulation > > Hi Dario, > > I would suggest you to have a look at > > MobiEmu: A Mobility Emulator for Ad-Hoc Networks > http://www.wins.hrl.com/projects/adhoc/ > > If you want to have a wireless testbed, you may consider Ad Hoc Protocol > Evaluation testbed (APE). http://apetestbed.sourceforge.net/ > > I think there is another tool available from Virginia Tech. Please find it > at http://www.ecpe.vt.edu/. > > Hope it helps. > > Regards, > Ankur > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > Dario Bottazzi > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] MANET Emulation > > > does anybody know if there is an available MANET emulation tool for > ethernet environments? > > Thanks > Dario > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 12:50:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25324 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJKt-0005Az-3h for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGHoJPB019891 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJKs-0005Ak-VG for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25312 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJKq-00043H-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJKp-000439-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:16 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJKp-000436-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJKd-00056B-Hy; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:50:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJJu-00054e-F1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:49:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25272 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJJs-00040u-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:49:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJJr-00040n-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:49:16 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJJr-0003yv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:49:15 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id hBGHmcl19072; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:48:38 -0800 X-mProtect: <200312161748> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from charliep.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdVhC0Hx; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:48:36 PST Message-ID: <3FDF456A.C7B13433@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:48:26 -0800 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manish Karir CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? References: <20031213040855.70526.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c3c152$c7f61c60$c1f1d8d3@etri7fodix6mw4> <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Manish, Thanks for forwarding the paper to me. It is interesting work, and leads me to believe that the Internet Gateway drafts should be reissued to handle multicast also, using some of your ideas about multicast operation of the gateway. However, I have a few quibbles with some of the claims of the paper. You make the assumption that the nodes in the ad hoc network are all addressable from a subnet prefix advertised by the gateway. I am sure you do not intend to claim this as novel, but the paper presents the idea as an insightful solution to previous complexity. The overall presentation in this regard should (instead) point out the following ideas: - The publications for Internet Gateway operation with Mobile IP can _only_ work if the gateway advertises reachability to such a prefix. The idea of address aggregation is fundamental to the work, and thus must be regarded as implicit - Eliminating the possibility of routing within the ad hoc network to non-aggregable addresses is not only a simplifying assumption, it is almost a disablement. One of the prime motivating factors for research into ad hoc networks is to allow nodes to communicate without infrastructure (e.g., no gateways or default routers). If a gateway happens to become reachable, so much the better! - As a minor point, I don't think that using address aggregation provides very much simplification for duplicate address detection within the ad hoc network. Of course, with strict address assignment rules, you can enforce that ad hoc node addresses do not duplicate addresses found within the Internet, which isn't feasible otherwise. As long as you have a connection to the Internet, that is... Are you assuming that Internet connectivity is stable for the life of the ad hoc network? I agree with you that the gateway should shield the Internet from knowledge of the topology changes within the ad hoc network, and that the "wired-side" (<-- soon to be an anachronism) protocols should not be required to change. That was also a design goal for the protocols specified in the Internet Gateways publications that you cited in your paper. Thanks again for the interesting paper and ideas about multicast routing. Kind Regards, Charlie P. Manish Karir wrote: > > I would also like to point out: > - J. McGee, M. Karir, et. al., Implementing Ad Hoc to Terrestrial > Network Gateways, in Proceedings of 2nd International Conference > on Wired/Wireless Internet Communications (WWIC 2004), Frankfurt, > Germany, Feb 2004. > > in which we take a different approach. Instead of using MIP we integrate > a terrestrial routing protocol with an adhoc routing > protocol(OSPF<->AODV, or MOSPF<->MAODV) > The gateway is implemented in Linux.... > > please let me know if you would like a copy of this paper...or the > modified AODV code...no modifications were necessary to OSPF(/MOSPF) > > -manish > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 andersn@telecom.lth.se wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Why don't you have a look at any of the existing publications that solves > > exactly what you are trying to do? The below are just a few, there is more > > of them out there. Check google. > > > > For example: > > "AODV and IPv6 Internet Access for Ad hoc Networks", > > Nilsson et al. ACM SIGMOBILE Mobile Computing and Communications Review > > archive Volume 6 , Issue 3 (July 2002). > > > > "Providing internet access to mobile ad hoc networks". > > George Andreadis, University College London. > > > > Global connectivity for IPv6 mobile ad hoc networks, " Internet Draft > > (Work in Progress) draft-wakikawa-manet-globalv6-03.txt, Internet > > Engineering Task Force. > > > > "Internet connectivity for ad hoc mobile networks," International Journal > > of Wireless Information Networks, Special Issue on Mobile Ad hoc > > Networks, 2002. Yuan Sun, Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, and Charles E. > > Perkins. > > > > Internet connectivity for mobile ad hoc networks > > WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE COMPUTING > > Wirel. Commun. Mob. Comput. 2002; 2:465- 482 (DOI: 10.1002/wcm.71) > > Perkins et.al. > > > > "Global Connectivity for IPv4 Mobile Ad hoc Networks."IETF Internet > > Draft, draft-royer-manet-globalv4-00.txt, November 2001 (Work in > > Progress). > > Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, Yuan Sun, and Charles E. Perkins. > > > > I also strongly recomend MIPMANET, that also builds on AODV like you > > describe: > > > > "MIPMANET-Mobile IP for Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." in Proceedings of > > IEEE/ACM Workshop on Mobile and Ad Hoc Networking and Computing, Boston, > > MA USA, August 1999. > > > > There is also a NS-2 package that do this for you: AODV+ > > You can find it on the NS-2 webpage: > > http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-contributed. > > > > regards, > > > > Anders > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 13:17:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26448 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJku-0006pV-8d for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGIHCiw026247 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJks-0006oy-MV for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26385 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJkq-0004x2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJko-0004wl-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJko-0004wi-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJkk-0006kG-SV; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJke-0006ig-SR for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:16:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26362 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJkc-0004vb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:16:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJkb-0004vU-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:16:54 -0500 Received: from xenon2.um.es ([155.54.212.101] helo=smtp.um.es) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWJkb-0004u4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:16:53 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3488C3453C; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:16:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from aries.dif.um.es (aries.dif.um.es [155.54.210.253]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13904344D6; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:16:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from anakin (teo.dif.um.es [155.54.210.26]) by aries.dif.um.es (Postfix) with SMTP id 4041214431; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:03:12 +0100 (MET) From: "Pedro M. Ruiz" To: "Charles E. Perkins" , "Manish Karir" Cc: Subject: RE: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3FDF456A.C7B13433@iprg.nokia.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Manish, Thank you for sending the paper to me as well. I found it very interesting, although I still have to look at it at a greater detail. I agree with Charlie that the multicast interworking is an interesting issue to deal with. We worked out some solution but I did not comment on the list because I saw not much discussion regarding this topic. In fact, we wrote an I-D on this, but finally did not send it. May be we submit it as an individual submission. We'd be open to comment with people interested on this trying to agree on a nice standard solution for this, even if it differs from our proposal. I'd be very happy to hear your comments. Keeping the requirent of introducing no changes in the "wired-side" protocolos most commonly used (i.e. MSDP, MBGP and PIM) we proposed the idea of MIGs (Multicast Internet Gateways). The basic assumption is that the access routers remain the same, and ad hoc nodes being just one hop away from them, are in charge of generating IGMP reports accordingly. For a detailed discussion on this topic, you can check these papers. Should you be interested in having a look at them, please drop me an e-mail and I'll provide you with a copy of the paper. We also have some implementations of the proposed approach which we may share if you're interested: Pedro M. Ruiz, Antonio Gomez-Skarmeta and Ian Groves, "The MMARP Protocol for Efficient Support of Standard IP Multicast Communications in Mobile Ad hoc Access Networks". In proc. of the IST Mobile & Wireless Communications Summit 2003. Aveiro, Portugal, 15-18 June 2003. pp. 478-482 Pedro M. Ruiz, Antonio Gomez-Skarmeta, Pedro Martinez and David Larrabeiti. "Extending Seamless IP Multicast Edge-Coverage Through Mobile Ad Hoc Access Networks". Ad Hoc, Mobile and Wireless Networks. Lecture Notes in Computer Science, Vol. 2865 (LCNS-2865). Ed: Springer-Verlag, ISSN:0302-9743. pp. 84-95. October 2003. Best wishes, Pedrom > -----Mensaje original----- > De: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]En nombre de > Charles E. Perkins > Enviado el: 16 December 2003 18:48 > Para: Manish Karir > CC: manet@ietf.org > Asunto: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid > wireless network? > > > > Hello Manish, > > Thanks for forwarding the paper to me. It is > interesting work, and leads me to believe that > the Internet Gateway drafts should be reissued > to handle multicast also, using some of your > ideas about multicast operation of the gateway. > > However, I have a few quibbles with some of > the claims of the paper. > > You make the assumption that the nodes in the > ad hoc network are all addressable from a > subnet prefix advertised by the gateway. > I am sure you do not intend to claim this as > novel, but the paper presents the idea as an > insightful solution to previous complexity. > The overall presentation in this regard > should (instead) point out the following > ideas: > > - The publications for Internet Gateway operation > with Mobile IP can _only_ work if the gateway > advertises reachability to such a prefix. The > idea of address aggregation is fundamental to > the work, and thus must be regarded as implicit > > - Eliminating the possibility of routing within the > ad hoc network to non-aggregable addresses is not > only a simplifying assumption, it is almost a > disablement. One of the prime motivating factors > for research into ad hoc networks is to allow nodes > to communicate without infrastructure (e.g., no > gateways or default routers). If a gateway happens > to become reachable, so much the better! > > - As a minor point, I don't think that using > address aggregation provides very much simplification > for duplicate address detection within the ad hoc > network. Of course, with strict address assignment > rules, you can enforce that ad hoc node addresses > do not duplicate addresses found within the Internet, > which isn't feasible otherwise. As long as you > have a connection to the Internet, that is... > Are you assuming that Internet connectivity is > stable for the life of the ad hoc network? > > I agree with you that the gateway should shield > the Internet from knowledge of the topology > changes within the ad hoc network, and that the > "wired-side" (<-- soon to be an anachronism) > protocols should not be required to change. > That was also a design goal for the protocols > specified in the Internet Gateways publications > that you cited in your paper. > > Thanks again for the interesting paper and ideas > about multicast routing. > > Kind Regards, > Charlie P. > > > > Manish Karir wrote: > > > > I would also like to point out: > > - J. McGee, M. Karir, et. al., Implementing Ad Hoc to Terrestrial > > Network Gateways, in Proceedings of 2nd International Conference > > on Wired/Wireless Internet Communications (WWIC 2004), Frankfurt, > > Germany, Feb 2004. > > > > in which we take a different approach. Instead of using MIP we > integrate > > a terrestrial routing protocol with an adhoc routing > > protocol(OSPF<->AODV, or MOSPF<->MAODV) > > The gateway is implemented in Linux.... > > > > please let me know if you would like a copy of this paper...or the > > modified AODV code...no modifications were necessary to OSPF(/MOSPF) > > > > -manish > > > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 andersn@telecom.lth.se wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Why don't you have a look at any of the existing publications > that solves > > > exactly what you are trying to do? The below are just a few, > there is more > > > of them out there. Check google. > > > > > > For example: > > > "AODV and IPv6 Internet Access for Ad hoc Networks", > > > Nilsson et al. ACM SIGMOBILE Mobile Computing and > Communications Review > > > archive Volume 6 , Issue 3 (July 2002). > > > > > > "Providing internet access to mobile ad hoc networks". > > > George Andreadis, University College London. > > > > > > Global connectivity for IPv6 mobile ad hoc networks, " Internet Draft > > > (Work in Progress) draft-wakikawa-manet-globalv6-03.txt, Internet > > > Engineering Task Force. > > > > > > "Internet connectivity for ad hoc mobile networks," > International Journal > > > of Wireless Information Networks, Special Issue on Mobile Ad hoc > > > Networks, 2002. Yuan Sun, Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, and Charles E. > > > Perkins. > > > > > > Internet connectivity for mobile ad hoc networks > > > WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE COMPUTING > > > Wirel. Commun. Mob. Comput. 2002; 2:465- 482 (DOI: 10.1002/wcm.71) > > > Perkins et.al. > > > > > > "Global Connectivity for IPv4 Mobile Ad hoc Networks."IETF Internet > > > Draft, draft-royer-manet-globalv4-00.txt, November 2001 (Work in > > > Progress). > > > Elizabeth M. Belding-Royer, Yuan Sun, and Charles E. Perkins. > > > > > > I also strongly recomend MIPMANET, that also builds on AODV like you > > > describe: > > > > > > "MIPMANET-Mobile IP for Mobile Ad Hoc Networks." in Proceedings of > > > IEEE/ACM Workshop on Mobile and Ad Hoc Networking and > Computing, Boston, > > > MA USA, August 1999. > > > > > > There is also a NS-2 package that do this for you: AODV+ > > > You can find it on the NS-2 webpage: > > > http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-contributed. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 17:47:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11910 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWNyH-00020t-3H for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGMlHG8007735 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWNyG-00020g-S2 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11893 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWNyE-0000uY-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWNyD-0000uR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWNyD-0000uO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWNy1-0001w0-B4; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWNxE-0001uX-Os for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:46:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11860 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWNxC-0000rP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:46:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWNxA-0000r3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:46:09 -0500 Received: from mintaka.isr.umd.edu ([128.8.111.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWNx9-0000qH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:46:08 -0500 Received: from clueless.isr.umd.edu (IDENT:karir@clueless.isr.umd.edu [128.8.111.127]) by mintaka.isr.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBGMjH52020941; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:45:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: Manish Karir To: "Charles E. Perkins" cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? In-Reply-To: <3FDF456A.C7B13433@iprg.nokia.com> Message-ID: References: <20031213040855.70526.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c3c152$c7f61c60$c1f1d8d3@etri7fodix6mw4> <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> <3FDF456A.C7B13433@iprg.nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES autolearn=no version=2.60 Hello, I agree the unicast gateway work is fairly obvious but was included for two reasons....the first for completeness and the second reason was that I did want to emphasis that I do believe that the *only* practical way to deploy a MANET is via an aggregatable address space. Relaxing this requirement is just not feasible. In particular this was aimed at recent discussion on the mailing list regarding routing loops being formed when nodes from the terrestrial network move to the ad hoc side etc.......basically allowing for that to happen only creates more problems than it solves. We need to do this because then the problem of assigning globally unique address to adhoc nodes becomes much more manageable. Otherwise we have to deal with the problem of having to perform duplicate address detection across all the nodes in the internet!. Furthermore, if you look at how networks are deployed these days....they are pretty much a collection of subnet.....and the IANA has control over who uses what address space, so if an entity was to commercially deploy an ad hoc network that *could* possible connect to the internet, the first thing they would have to do is to get an address space from IANA. This would make them the responsible party for that address space(which is very important in these days of DDoS attacks, atleast you would have someone you could hold accountable). its either this or NAT...and nobody wants that right? ;) on a more philosophical perspective....in my opinion though the concept of a "pure" adhoc network is nice, in practice it is actually quite limiting. The content resides in the terrestrial networks. Sooner or later if adhoc networks want to get useful work done they will need to connect back to the terrestrial network(maybe transient). Hence gateways of some form are essential. The lack of gateway development till such a late stage, has in my opinion severely restricted actual useful deployments of adhoc networks in real life. -manish On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Charles E. Perkins wrote: > > Hello Manish, > > Thanks for forwarding the paper to me. It is > interesting work, and leads me to believe that > the Internet Gateway drafts should be reissued > to handle multicast also, using some of your > ideas about multicast operation of the gateway. > > However, I have a few quibbles with some of > the claims of the paper. > > You make the assumption that the nodes in the > ad hoc network are all addressable from a > subnet prefix advertised by the gateway. > I am sure you do not intend to claim this as > novel, but the paper presents the idea as an > insightful solution to previous complexity. > The overall presentation in this regard > should (instead) point out the following > ideas: > > - The publications for Internet Gateway operation > with Mobile IP can _only_ work if the gateway > advertises reachability to such a prefix. The > idea of address aggregation is fundamental to > the work, and thus must be regarded as implicit > > - Eliminating the possibility of routing within the > ad hoc network to non-aggregable addresses is not > only a simplifying assumption, it is almost a > disablement. One of the prime motivating factors > for research into ad hoc networks is to allow nodes > to communicate without infrastructure (e.g., no > gateways or default routers). If a gateway happens > to become reachable, so much the better! > > - As a minor point, I don't think that using > address aggregation provides very much simplification > for duplicate address detection within the ad hoc > network. Of course, with strict address assignment > rules, you can enforce that ad hoc node addresses > do not duplicate addresses found within the Internet, > which isn't feasible otherwise. As long as you > have a connection to the Internet, that is... > Are you assuming that Internet connectivity is > stable for the life of the ad hoc network? > > I agree with you that the gateway should shield > the Internet from knowledge of the topology > changes within the ad hoc network, and that the > "wired-side" (<-- soon to be an anachronism) > protocols should not be required to change. > That was also a design goal for the protocols > specified in the Internet Gateways publications > that you cited in your paper. > > Thanks again for the interesting paper and ideas > about multicast routing. > > Kind Regards, > Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 18:53:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15296 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWP03-0005Wp-AP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGNrBSK021247 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWP03-0005Wc-6s for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15239 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWP00-0002pQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWOzy-0002pI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWOzy-0002pF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWOzu-0005V8-DX; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWOzX-0005S5-Eh for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:52:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15227 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWOzU-0002oj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:52:36 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWOzT-0002oc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:52:35 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWOzS-0002ms-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:52:34 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id hBGNpvF23983; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:51:57 -0800 X-mProtect: <200312162351> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from charliep.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdT3Lz1x; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:51:56 PST Message-ID: <3FDF9A92.AD232CF6@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:51:46 -0800 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manish Karir CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? References: <20031213040855.70526.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c3c152$c7f61c60$c1f1d8d3@etri7fodix6mw4> <62852.217.208.138.149.1071310840.squirrel@ww2.telecom.lth.se> <3FDF456A.C7B13433@iprg.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Manish, I wonder if you'd be willing to provide your justification for the following statement: Manish Karir wrote: > I did want to emphasis that I do believe that the *only* > practical way to deploy a MANET is via an aggregatable address space. > Relaxing this requirement is just not feasible. If routing loops are formed, then I think it has to be regarded as a bug in some routing protocol, not a reason to restrict addressability. It is true, on the other hand, that I am writing this before I go find the messages you refer to, otherwise I might not ever write again (if I have to find sufficiently many old messages, that is). > move to the ad hoc side etc ... basically > allowing for that to happen only creates more > problems than it solves. Then you are speaking about a particular case, with particular assumptions. If you have an "ad-hoc" side, and another side, and the routing protocols are not compatible (perhaps because of bugs on the "other side"), then O.K. you can't do it. But to say that the movement itself causes the problems, is manifestly incorrect. And if a routing protocol is correct, but stimulates bugs in another routing protocol, then ... you have to evaluate what's worth it to you -- or else fix the bugs. On the other hand, in your paper, it is an axiom that one mustn't mess with the protocol on the "other side". Notably, manet was created because some of those protocols on the "other side" did not work. If the point is to insert their presence, bugs and all, and then to characterize the ad hoc protocols as "broken", then I would not agree. > We need to do this because then the problem of assigning globally unique > address to adhoc nodes becomes much more manageable. Well, I disagree, because I think that you are putting the cart before the horse. If you start from a population of nodes where the addresses are _already_ assigned, then you may not have the luxury of aggregating their addresses. If you can assign addresses, then it would be silly not to do as you suggest, of course! If you wish to state that you just don't want to serve the former node populations, then I will understand that you have that luxury. > Otherwise we have > to deal with the problem of having to perform duplicate address detection > across all the nodes in the internet!. This isn't correct, as we showed by the use of Mobile IP. The important thing is to avoid injecting ad hoc host routes into the Internet. Furthermore, if you look at how > networks are deployed these days....they are pretty much a collection > of subnet.....and the IANA has control over who uses what address space, That sounds like infrastructure to me. You may take my remarks as a suggestion that ad hoc networking is useful even when infrastructure isn't available. > so if an entity was to commercially deploy an ad hoc network that *could* > possible connect to the internet, the first thing they would have to do is > to get an address space from IANA. I interpret this to mean that a router needs an allocated prefix. Check! Even if the router is a gateway to an ad hoc network. Check! Even if the ad hoc network has nodes that have preassigned addresses that are topologically incorrect. Check! What am I missing...? > This would make them the responsible > party for that address space(which is very important in these days of DDoS > attacks, atleast you would have someone you could hold accountable). This is a totally irrelevant red herring! > its either this or NAT...and nobody wants that right? ;) Likewise. > on a more philosophical perspective....in my opinion though the concept of > a "pure" adhoc network is nice, in practice it is actually quite limiting. In my opinion the idea of pure "X" is quite nice, but in practice it is quite limiting. If you want me to say that I think the Internet is irrelevant and since we don't need it, we can all go off and play "ad hoc" games, then surprise I don't think that. If you want me to say that my peer-to-peer applications should work _whether or not_ there is a default router, as long as I am in wireless range of my peer, then I'll happily say that! > The content resides in the terrestrial networks. Sooner or later if > adhoc networks want to get useful work done they will need to connect back > to the terrestrial network(maybe transient). Hence gateways of some form > are essential. The lack of gateway development till such a late stage, > has in my opinion severely restricted actual useful deployments of adhoc > networks in real life. I still say you are putting the cart before the horse, and furthermore now seem to be imputing wrong motives to the researchers involved with ad hoc networks. Regards, Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 01:32:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26971 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVEC-0001T4-Tf for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBH6WC0L005641 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVEC-0001Su-Oc for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26945 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVE9-0004up-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVE8-0004ui-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVE8-0004uf-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVE1-0001Rf-Hl; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:32:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVDu-0001RG-Ta for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:31:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26941 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVDr-0004uc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:31:51 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVDq-0004uV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:31:51 -0500 Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVDq-0004uS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:31:50 -0500 Received: from user-38ldtgl.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.246.21] helo=erg.sri.com) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWVDp-0003CW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:31:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3FDFF851.3040508@erg.sri.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:31:45 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a comment regarding draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, but routers A and B have different information. To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. Since router A has more information than router B, router A will compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus would not send the packet back into the wireless area. Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending OSPF to support MANETs. http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf Regards, Richard _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 01:46:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27277 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVRh-0002Gw-Kx for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBH6k9Al008727 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVRh-0002Gg-Gz for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27261 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVRe-0005BM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVRd-0005BF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVRd-0005BC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVRa-0002FR-6s; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:46:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWVQn-0002El-6V for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27246 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVQj-0005AH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVQj-0005AA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:09 -0500 Received: from rainer.bnt.com ([12.4.218.18]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWVQi-0005A7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:08 -0500 Received: from tom ([198.70.230.133]) by rainer.bnt.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id hBH6j3er093475; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from taolin@vt.edu) Message-ID: <002e01c3c469$70fc50e0$2502a8c0@triplecom.net> From: "Tao Lin" To: "Richard Ogier" , References: <3FDFF851.3040508@erg.sri.com> Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick comment on the stub area in OSPF. Can we define that an OSPF stub area includes only interfaces in the same physical medium? For example, wireless 802.11b interfaces can belong to one OSPF area (or multiple areas if there are too many 802.11b wireless cards) and wired network cards using IEEE 802.3 can form their own OSPF areas. In other words, it will be better if an OSPF stub area does not cross different physical mediums. Just my 2 cents. Welcome discussions. Thanks. Tao Lin Ph.D. Candidate Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) ECE Department Virginia Tech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ogier" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > I have a comment regarding > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > but routers A and B have different information. > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > OSPF to support MANETs. > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf > > Regards, > Richard > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 02:59:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA26901 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWWaZ-0007Ep-Gv for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBH7xNIk027818 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWWaY-0007Eb-TC for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA26862 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWWaU-0000St-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:18 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWWaK-0000RR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWWaJ-0000RO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWWaE-00078u-HE; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:59:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWWZQ-00076W-Lk for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:58:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA26733 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWWZM-0000Hr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:58:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWWZC-0000GT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:58:07 -0500 Received: from [61.95.163.161] (helo=sinettds) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWWZA-0000B0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:57:56 -0500 Received: from vishwas ([192.168.10.109]) by sinettds (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id hBH7pHJv004262; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:21:18 +0530 Reply-To: From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "'Tao Lin'" , "'Richard Ogier'" , Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:31:12 +0200 Message-ID: <002d01c3c491$472b7c00$6d0aa8c0@vishwas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002e01c3c469$70fc50e0$2502a8c0@triplecom.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard/Tao, I haven't read the draft-spagnolo completely yet. However there are various ways the things can be done here, stub area I am not sure is a possible method. Stub Area prevents AS Scope LSA's to be flooded into an area, however no new LSA types have been defined in spagnolo. You probably are talking about totally stubby area(which is not a OSPF standard thing - though the new NSSA RFC/MIB's defines a configureable flag to allow summary LSA's into stub and NSSA areas or not). Don't see how stub area helps at all. However the way to do it could be to configure the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFF(like in stub router). That way all traffic from B goes out via A, and no transit traffic goes out from A to B, but those destined to those networks themselves. No change s needed in the routing table calculations at all. Let me know if I am clear and you agree. Thanks, Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Tao Lin Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:46 AM To: Richard Ogier; manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 A quick comment on the stub area in OSPF. Can we define that an OSPF stub area includes only interfaces in the same physical medium? For example, wireless 802.11b interfaces can belong to one OSPF area (or multiple areas if there are too many 802.11b wireless cards) and wired network cards using IEEE 802.3 can form their own OSPF areas. In other words, it will be better if an OSPF stub area does not cross different physical mediums. Just my 2 cents. Welcome discussions. Thanks. Tao Lin Ph.D. Candidate Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) ECE Department Virginia Tech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ogier" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > I have a comment regarding > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > but routers A and B have different information. > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > OSPF to support MANETs. > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf > > Regards, > Richard > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 07:32:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA05582 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWaqf-00007o-Jr for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHCWHtt000480 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWaqf-00007f-EG for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA05572 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWaqe-0001bK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWaqc-0001b0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:16 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWaqc-0001ax-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWaqO-0008V6-Sb; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:32:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWapk-0008Ts-Cc for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:31:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA05536 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWapj-0001XJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:31:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWapi-0001X7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:31:19 -0500 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWaph-0001W6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:31:18 -0500 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id Y9YMH3WR; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:24:28 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'Manish Karir'" Cc: Subject: < [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 for hybrid wireless network? > A different approach to support Internet connectivity for MANETs Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:28:15 +0900 Message-ID: <029101c3c499$3e505bc0$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Manish. Thank you for your paper. I remember that you mentioned your idea during discussion about the "Alien Node Problem" two or three months ago. Please refer http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/manet/current/msg02701. html for my reply at that time. Uhm... Actually I did not understand what you meant. Now, I think that I can get to the point. As Charlie Perkins mentioned, the virtual subnetting where all global addresses of MANETs shares one global prefix is common in all(?) existing approaches. The difference is that you want to define a new prefix for all MANET nodes which want the Internet connection and existing schemes have a node configure its global addresses from available gateways in stateful or stateless manner. If an important reason of your choice is to distinguish between nodes that are within a MANET and those that are outside, I do not agree. In case of stateless method, a manet node updates route information for its global address through gateway discovery to refresh the GW_INFO or peridocal RREQ or RREP to corresponding(affiliated) gateway. In case of stateful method, all nodes in the MANET which configured a global address from a gateway are cached in the gateway. Thus, as for autoconfigured global addresses, the determination which you consider as complex does not require much cost. When node A inside the MANET wants to communicate node B which has a global address which is not globally routable(by manual configuration), network partition can cause that A sends packets destined to B using default route(toward the gateway chosen by A). Yasser called this issue the Alien Node Problem. As I mentioned before, node A finally receives ICMP Destination Unreachable and then tries to discover host route for the destination. Caching of addresses that caused ICMP unreachable message can help for preventing same wrong decision in near future. This is also not expensive. Well. In your paper, gateways which detect the presence of MANETs via Hellos or other methods(default router discovery) advertise the MANET prefix throughout Internet. As you point out Fig 2(poor route selection), Fig 3 (Unnecessary Failure due to Partition) in your paper, there are serious issues to be addressed. Although you mentioned the use of registration scheme as a possible solution for those, I do not agree. A registration scheme assumes that a manet node should know all gateways which advertise the MANET global prefix to Internet. However, frequent network partitions and dynamic creations of MANETs which demand Internet connectivity can break this assumption. How can you handle this issue? Regards, HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: Manish Karir [mailto:karir@isr.umd.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:16 AM > To: HyunWook Cha > Subject: RE: [manet] Re: How to do the simulation with ns2 > for hybrid wireless network? > > > > Did I forget to attach the paper last time or did you have > problem printing it? In anycase I am attaching it here > again...pleaset let me know if you have any problems.... > > thanks > manish > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, HyunWook Cha wrote: > > > Could you check your paper, again? > > > > Thanks. > > > > HyunWook > > > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 08:43:53 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07193 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWbxT-0002XL-RP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:25 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHDhNqC009745 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWbxT-0002X6-Nu for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07178 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWbxS-0003KN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWbxR-0003KG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWbxR-0003KD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWbx7-0002So-JK; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWbwq-0002SR-J9 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07171 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWbwp-0003Js-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWbwo-0003Jl-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:42 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWbwn-0003IA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:42 -0500 Received: from zephyrin (byzantium.inria.fr [128.93.17.6]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBHDg7H25553; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:42:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00bd01c3c4a3$898f7760$1f175d80@inria.fr> From: "Philippe Jacquet" To: "Richard Ogier" , References: <3FDFF851.3040508@erg.sri.com> Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:41:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not completely expert in OSPF but it seems that this problem is not specific to wireless links. I don't know how OSPF solves this. If there is an alternative route from A doesn't it means that A may have received the forbidden LSA via this route? Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Ogier To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > I have a comment regarding > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > but routers A and B have different information. > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > OSPF to support MANETs. > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf > > Regards, > Richard > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 11:24:16 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18020 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeSh-0000yv-1L for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:48 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHGNlDm003769 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeSg-0000yi-TR for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17991 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSf-00054n-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:45 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSe-00054f-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:45 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSe-00054a-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:44 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeRz-0000ui-1A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeRI-0000oG-Qw for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:22:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17866 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeRH-0004xG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:22:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeRG-0004x1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:22:19 -0500 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeRF-0004wy-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:22:17 -0500 Received: from user-2ivfjp8.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.207.40] helo=erg.sri.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWeRA-000521-00; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:22:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE082B2.8020006@erg.sri.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vishwas@sinett.com CC: "'Tao Lin'" , manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 References: <002d01c3c491$472b7c00$6d0aa8c0@vishwas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vishwas, Vishwas Manral wrote: >Richard/Tao, > >I haven't read the draft-spagnolo completely yet. However there are various >ways the things can be done here, stub area I am not sure is a possible >method. > >Stub Area prevents AS Scope LSA's to be flooded into an area, however no new >LSA types have been defined in spagnolo. You probably are talking about > I referred to Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328, which states: "Area border routers connecting to a stub area can originate summary-LSAs into the area according to the Section 12.4.3's algorithm, or can choose to originate only a subset of the summary-LSAs, possibly under configuration control. The fewer LSAs originated, the smaller the stub area's link state database, further reducing the demands on its routers' resources." So a "totally stubby area" is indeed allowed by the standard. Maybe I should have made this more clear. > >totally stubby area(which is not a OSPF standard thing - though the new NSSA >RFC/MIB's defines a configureable flag to allow summary LSA's into stub and >NSSA areas or not). > >Don't see how stub area helps at all. > I don't know why you say this, but it works (i.e., no routing loops), and it reduces LSA traffic in the area. >However the way to do it could be to >configure the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFF(like in stub router). That way >all traffic from B goes out via A, and no transit traffic goes out from A to >B, but those destined to those networks themselves. No change s needed in >the routing table calculations at all. > If you change the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFFF (LSinfinity), then how can even intra-area traffic use this link? Richard > > >Let me know if I am clear and you agree. > >Thanks, >Vishwas > > >-----Original Message----- >From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Tao >Lin >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:46 AM >To: Richard Ogier; manet@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on >draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > >A quick comment on the stub area in OSPF. > >Can we define that an OSPF stub area includes only interfaces in the same >physical medium? For example, wireless 802.11b interfaces can belong to one >OSPF area (or multiple areas if there are too many 802.11b wireless cards) >and wired network cards using IEEE 802.3 can form their own OSPF areas. In >other words, it will be better if an OSPF stub area does not cross different >physical mediums. > >Just my 2 cents. Welcome discussions. > >Thanks. > > Tao Lin > Ph.D. Candidate > Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) > ECE Department > Virginia Tech > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Ogier" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 AM >Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > >>I have a comment regarding >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >> >>Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface >>and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B >>is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. >>Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated >>from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to >>router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in >>the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. >> >>There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers >>in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, >>but routers A and B have different information. >>To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will >>use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. >>Since router A has more information than router B, router A will >>compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen >>to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. >>(The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) >> >>If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the >>wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem >>is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary >>LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus >>would not send the packet back into the wireless area. >> >>Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area >>to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet >>(as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? >> >>Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on >>the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending >>OSPF to support MANETs. >> >>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf >> >>Regards, >>Richard >> > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 11:24:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18065 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeSz-000174-L3 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHGO5SC004279 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeSy-00015S-2I for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17998 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSx-00055H-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSv-000559-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSv-000556-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeSv-00012c-LE; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeSW-0000xH-T2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17962 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSV-00053T-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:35 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSR-000532-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:35 -0500 Received: from rainer.bnt.com ([12.4.218.18]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWeSQ-000528-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:30 -0500 Received: from tom ([198.70.230.133]) by rainer.bnt.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id hBHGNMer038109 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:23:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from taolin@vt.edu) Message-ID: <003201c3c4ba$3c419d00$2502a8c0@triplecom.net> From: "Tao Lin" To: References: <002d01c3c491$472b7c00$6d0aa8c0@vishwas> Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:24:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vishwas, What I suggested is to prevent the unnecessary LSA updates between interfaces in the wireless side and wired side (and avoid the loop problem). Assume an OSPF area crosses different mediums, say one wireless and the other wired, via nodes which have both wired and wireless interfaces. All the interfaces that belong to one OSPF area maintain the same copies of LSA database. Therefore, there will be many LSA updates from one physical medium domain to the other. However, since those nodes with wired and wireless interfaces, name them boarder gateways, are always the gateways between nodes in different mediums, there is no need to pass LSA updates from one physical domain to the other, especially when the channel capacity in wireless side is limited. Those boarder gateways can tell nodes in one domain the corresponding costs to destinations in the other domain and then, every node can calculate proper shortest path tree without any loop problem. This can make the control protocol more efficient and there is no loop problem as Richard pointed out. I understand what you suggested, but it seems that you are aiming at a different aspect. Thanks, Tao ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "'Tao Lin'" ; "'Richard Ogier'" ; Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > Richard/Tao, > > I haven't read the draft-spagnolo completely yet. However there are various > ways the things can be done here, stub area I am not sure is a possible > method. > > Stub Area prevents AS Scope LSA's to be flooded into an area, however no new > LSA types have been defined in spagnolo. You probably are talking about > totally stubby area(which is not a OSPF standard thing - though the new NSSA > RFC/MIB's defines a configureable flag to allow summary LSA's into stub and > NSSA areas or not). > > Don't see how stub area helps at all. However the way to do it could be to > configure the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFF(like in stub router). That way > all traffic from B goes out via A, and no transit traffic goes out from A to > B, but those destined to those networks themselves. No change s needed in > the routing table calculations at all. > > Let me know if I am clear and you agree. > > Thanks, > Vishwas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Tao > Lin > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:46 AM > To: Richard Ogier; manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > A quick comment on the stub area in OSPF. > > Can we define that an OSPF stub area includes only interfaces in the same > physical medium? For example, wireless 802.11b interfaces can belong to one > OSPF area (or multiple areas if there are too many 802.11b wireless cards) > and wired network cards using IEEE 802.3 can form their own OSPF areas. In > other words, it will be better if an OSPF stub area does not cross different > physical mediums. > > Just my 2 cents. Welcome discussions. > > Thanks. > > Tao Lin > Ph.D. Candidate > Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) > ECE Department > Virginia Tech > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Ogier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 AM > Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > > I have a comment regarding > > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > > > > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > > but routers A and B have different information. > > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > > > > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > > > > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > > > > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > > OSPF to support MANETs. > > > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf > > > > Regards, > > Richard > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 11:57:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20154 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWez7-0003Qo-LO for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHGvHaj013184 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWez7-0003QZ-Go for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20083 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWez6-0006mI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWez4-0006mB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:15 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWex3-0006Xo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:55:09 -0500 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AWetG-0001ub-HH for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWet6-00031X-6P; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:51:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWesl-0002vd-Tx for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:50:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19700 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWesk-0006RE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:50:42 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWesj-0006R6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:50:42 -0500 Received: from [61.95.163.161] (helo=sinettds) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWesi-0006Pj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:50:40 -0500 Received: from vishwas ([192.168.10.109]) by sinettds (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id hBHGiCJv005267; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:14:12 +0530 Reply-To: From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "'Richard Ogier'" Cc: "'Tao Lin'" , Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:24:13 +0200 Message-ID: <004f01c3c4db$bd543440$6d0aa8c0@vishwas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Besides I agree a similar thing can be done if all wireless interfaces are kept in one Stub area too, however what I meant to say was that plain Stub Area's would not help, we would have to prevent Summary LSA's too. Besides even without configuring an area as stub we could prevent summary LSA's, by using the range I talked about earlier(as long as no AS Scope LSA's are around). -Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: Vishwas Manral [mailto:vishwas@sinett.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:20 PM To: 'Richard Ogier' Cc: 'Tao Lin'; 'manet@ietf.org' Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Richard, I guess the MIB has the option of totally disabling the summary LSA injection, which came from the NSSA RFC. However as you pointed out, we could achieve the same by using the range 0.0.0.0/0 and make it donotAdvertize. Ok. Router LSA metric is only 16 bits, so the MaxMetric is 0xFFFF not 0xFFFFFF. If you check RFC3137, the states that the RFC allows 1) Making other routers prefer routes around router X while performing the Dijkstra calculation. 2) Allowing other routers to reach IP prefixes directly connected to router X. So instead of putting a MaxMetric in the Router LSA for a particular link(wireless interface) instead of all the links of the router the same can be achieved. I guess this method should solve the purpose. Cheers, Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Richard Ogier Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:22 PM To: vishwas@sinett.com Cc: 'Tao Lin'; manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Vishwas, Vishwas Manral wrote: >Richard/Tao, > >I haven't read the draft-spagnolo completely yet. However there are various >ways the things can be done here, stub area I am not sure is a possible >method. > >Stub Area prevents AS Scope LSA's to be flooded into an area, however no new >LSA types have been defined in spagnolo. You probably are talking about > I referred to Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328, which states: "Area border routers connecting to a stub area can originate summary-LSAs into the area according to the Section 12.4.3's algorithm, or can choose to originate only a subset of the summary-LSAs, possibly under configuration control. The fewer LSAs originated, the smaller the stub area's link state database, further reducing the demands on its routers' resources." So a "totally stubby area" is indeed allowed by the standard. Maybe I should have made this more clear. > >totally stubby area(which is not a OSPF standard thing - though the new NSSA >RFC/MIB's defines a configureable flag to allow summary LSA's into stub and >NSSA areas or not). > >Don't see how stub area helps at all. > I don't know why you say this, but it works (i.e., no routing loops), and it reduces LSA traffic in the area. >However the way to do it could be to >configure the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFF(like in stub router). That way >all traffic from B goes out via A, and no transit traffic goes out from A to >B, but those destined to those networks themselves. No change s needed in >the routing table calculations at all. > If you change the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFFF (LSinfinity), then how can even intra-area traffic use this link? Richard > > >Let me know if I am clear and you agree. > >Thanks, >Vishwas > > >-----Original Message----- >From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Tao >Lin >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:46 AM >To: Richard Ogier; manet@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on >draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > >A quick comment on the stub area in OSPF. > >Can we define that an OSPF stub area includes only interfaces in the same >physical medium? For example, wireless 802.11b interfaces can belong to one >OSPF area (or multiple areas if there are too many 802.11b wireless cards) >and wired network cards using IEEE 802.3 can form their own OSPF areas. In >other words, it will be better if an OSPF stub area does not cross different >physical mediums. > >Just my 2 cents. Welcome discussions. > >Thanks. > > Tao Lin > Ph.D. Candidate > Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) > ECE Department > Virginia Tech > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Ogier" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 AM >Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > >>I have a comment regarding >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >> >>Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface >>and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B >>is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. >>Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated >>from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to >>router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in >>the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. >> >>There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers >>in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, >>but routers A and B have different information. >>To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will >>use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. >>Since router A has more information than router B, router A will >>compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen >>to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. >>(The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) >> >>If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the >>wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem >>is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary >>LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus >>would not send the packet back into the wireless area. >> >>Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area >>to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet >>(as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? >> >>Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on >>the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending >>OSPF to support MANETs. >> >>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf >> >>Regards, >>Richard >> > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 11:57:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20172 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWezD-0003RJ-6A for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHGvNmn013215 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWezD-0003R4-0i for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20112 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWezB-0006nT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWez7-0006mw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:21 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWex3-0006Xo-01 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:55:09 -0500 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AWeqZ-0001sa-I5 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:48:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWeqA-0002e9-Ex; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:48:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWepE-0002dZ-S9 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19587 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWepD-0006Ly-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWepC-0006Lr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:03 -0500 Received: from [61.95.163.161] (helo=sinettds) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWepB-0006LL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:01 -0500 Received: from vishwas ([192.168.10.109]) by sinettds (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id hBHGeSJv005258; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:10:29 +0530 Reply-To: From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "'Richard Ogier'" Cc: "'Tao Lin'" , Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:20:28 +0200 Message-ID: <004e01c3c4db$3752efd0$6d0aa8c0@vishwas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3FE082B2.8020006@erg.sri.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, I guess the MIB has the option of totally disabling the summary LSA injection, which came from the NSSA RFC. However as you pointed out, we could achieve the same by using the range 0.0.0.0/0 and make it donotAdvertize. Ok. Router LSA metric is only 16 bits, so the MaxMetric is 0xFFFF not 0xFFFFFF. If you check RFC3137, the states that the RFC allows 1) Making other routers prefer routes around router X while performing the Dijkstra calculation. 2) Allowing other routers to reach IP prefixes directly connected to router X. So instead of putting a MaxMetric in the Router LSA for a particular link(wireless interface) instead of all the links of the router the same can be achieved. I guess this method should solve the purpose. Cheers, Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Richard Ogier Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:22 PM To: vishwas@sinett.com Cc: 'Tao Lin'; manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Vishwas, Vishwas Manral wrote: >Richard/Tao, > >I haven't read the draft-spagnolo completely yet. However there are various >ways the things can be done here, stub area I am not sure is a possible >method. > >Stub Area prevents AS Scope LSA's to be flooded into an area, however no new >LSA types have been defined in spagnolo. You probably are talking about > I referred to Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328, which states: "Area border routers connecting to a stub area can originate summary-LSAs into the area according to the Section 12.4.3's algorithm, or can choose to originate only a subset of the summary-LSAs, possibly under configuration control. The fewer LSAs originated, the smaller the stub area's link state database, further reducing the demands on its routers' resources." So a "totally stubby area" is indeed allowed by the standard. Maybe I should have made this more clear. > >totally stubby area(which is not a OSPF standard thing - though the new NSSA >RFC/MIB's defines a configureable flag to allow summary LSA's into stub and >NSSA areas or not). > >Don't see how stub area helps at all. > I don't know why you say this, but it works (i.e., no routing loops), and it reduces LSA traffic in the area. >However the way to do it could be to >configure the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFF(like in stub router). That way >all traffic from B goes out via A, and no transit traffic goes out from A to >B, but those destined to those networks themselves. No change s needed in >the routing table calculations at all. > If you change the cost from A to B to be 0xFFFFFF (LSinfinity), then how can even intra-area traffic use this link? Richard > > >Let me know if I am clear and you agree. > >Thanks, >Vishwas > > >-----Original Message----- >From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Tao >Lin >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:46 AM >To: Richard Ogier; manet@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on >draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > >A quick comment on the stub area in OSPF. > >Can we define that an OSPF stub area includes only interfaces in the same >physical medium? For example, wireless 802.11b interfaces can belong to one >OSPF area (or multiple areas if there are too many 802.11b wireless cards) >and wired network cards using IEEE 802.3 can form their own OSPF areas. In >other words, it will be better if an OSPF stub area does not cross different >physical mediums. > >Just my 2 cents. Welcome discussions. > >Thanks. > > Tao Lin > Ph.D. Candidate > Laboratory for Advanced Networking (VT-LAN) > ECE Department > Virginia Tech > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Ogier" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 AM >Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > >>I have a comment regarding >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >> >>Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface >>and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B >>is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. >>Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated >>from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to >>router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in >>the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. >> >>There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers >>in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, >>but routers A and B have different information. >>To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will >>use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. >>Since router A has more information than router B, router A will >>compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen >>to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. >>(The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) >> >>If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the >>wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem >>is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary >>LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus >>would not send the packet back into the wireless area. >> >>Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area >>to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet >>(as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? >> >>Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on >>the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending >>OSPF to support MANETs. >> >>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf >> >>Regards, >>Richard >> > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/2003 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 12:31:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21710 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfVw-0005hL-Ax for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHHVCk1021897 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfVw-0005h6-7I for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21678 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfVu-0007nk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfVt-0007nd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfVt-0007na-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfVm-0005f7-31; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:31:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfVS-0005cv-Hi for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:30:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21626 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfVR-0007n5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:30:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfVQ-0007my-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:30:40 -0500 Received: from web20026.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.225.37]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfVP-0007mv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:30:39 -0500 Message-ID: <20031217173038.94789.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.69.5.235] by web20026.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:30:38 EST Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:30:38 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?minh=20tam?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-633271565-1071682238=:92029" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] How to analyze from NS2 simulation trace file? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-633271565-1071682238=:92029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, I've read some research papers in which they compared performances of different routing using some normal performance metrics, such as: Packet delivery fraction routing control overhead Average end-to-end delay Average number of hops ...... How can we have these things using Ns2 simulation ? I can not see it from trace file after simulation. I really appreciate your help! Regards, Tam --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. 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Dear all,
 
 
I've read some research papers in which they compared performances of different routing using some normal performance metrics, such as:
Packet delivery fraction
routing control overhead
Average end-to-end delay
Average number of hops
......
How can we have these things using Ns2 simulation ? I can not see it from trace file after simulation.
I really appreciate your help!
 
Regards,
Tam


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FREE for a limited time! --0-633271565-1071682238=:92029-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 12:38:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22024 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfci-0006aQ-0G for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHHcBGe025306 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfcg-0006Zv-LK for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22009 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfcf-0000Gx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfce-0000Gq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfcd-0000Gn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfcY-0006Tm-U2; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWfbq-0006HA-CZ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:37:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21976 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfbo-0000Fq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:37:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfbn-0000Fg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:37:16 -0500 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu ([129.237.125.220]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWfbn-0000F2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:37:15 -0500 Received: from testbed50.ittc.ku.edu (testbed50.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.127.220]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.0) with ESMTP id hBHHafjc009065; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:36:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:37:06 -0600 (CST) From: Pradeepkumar Mani To: =?iso-8859-1?q?minh=20tam?= cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] How to analyze from NS2 simulation trace file? In-Reply-To: <20031217173038.94789.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-VirusScan: Clean Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 You may have to extract results from the tracefile by writing your own parser programs. you can use awk (i used it, and it is quite easy to learn). hope this helps. Pradeep On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, [iso-8859-1] minh tam wrote: > Dear all, > > > I've read some research papers in which they compared performances of different routing using some normal performance metrics, such as: > Packet delivery fraction > routing control overhead > Average end-to-end delay > Average number of hops > ...... > How can we have these things using Ns2 simulation ? I can not see it from trace file after simulation. > I really appreciate your help! > > Regards, > Tam > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. 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Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:38:55 -0800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:38:54 -0800 Message-ID: <2AFCB5FA378DEE4CA704B9AD7764637901866B9F@xch-nw-26.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Thread-Index: AcPEZ8KLcyWl9EzQQh+jNahMPRF/vgAVFpDAAAEhTdA= From: "Spagnolo, Phillip A" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 17:38:55.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4C47B40:01C3C4C4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comments included. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ogier [mailto:ogier@erg.sri.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:32 PM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] Comment on > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >=20 >=20 > I have a comment regarding > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >=20 > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. >=20 > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > but routers A and B have different information. > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) I don't seem to see the problem here.=20 =20 If router B sends a packet outside the wireless stub through router A, = how will A ever think to send back to router B? The shortest path = cannot be through the wireless network because the only way out of the = wireless network is through A. Any path back into the network would add = the additional cost of the loop. =20 Router A has a full view of the network, but router B only has a view of = the wireless stub and a default to A. =20 Maybe the problem is textual in that we are assuming there is only one = edge router in a wireless stub. Otherwise, the network would not be a = stub but a transit wireless network. We do agree the mechanism is functionally equivalent to a totally stubby = area, but this is not specified in 2328. >=20 > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. >=20 > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? >=20 > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > OSPF to support MANETs. >=20 > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=3Dind0312&L=3Dospf >=20 > Regards, > Richard >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 13:52:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26053 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWgmQ-0001Qd-2J for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHIqIRW005492 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWgmP-0001QV-R0 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26016 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWgmN-0003c7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWgmM-0003c0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWgmM-0003bx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWgmA-0001LR-GW; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWgle-0001KH-DC for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:51:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA25982 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWglc-0003aS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:51:28 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWglb-0003aL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:51:27 -0500 Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.120]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWglb-0003aI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:51:27 -0500 Received: from user-38lc0ht.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.2.61] helo=erg.sri.com) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWglU-0005hd-00; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:51:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE0A5A6.4060404@erg.sri.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:51:18 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Spagnolo, Phillip A" CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: FW: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 References: <2AFCB5FA378DEE4CA704B9AD7764637901866B9F@xch-nw-26.nw.nos.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phillip, Spagnolo, Phillip A wrote: >Comments included. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Richard Ogier [mailto:ogier@erg.sri.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:32 PM >>To: manet@ietf.org >>Subject: [manet] Comment on >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >> >> >>I have a comment regarding >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >> >>Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface >>and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B >>is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. >>Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated >>from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to >>router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in >>the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. >> >>There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers >>in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, >>but routers A and B have different information. >>To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will >>use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. >>Since router A has more information than router B, router A will >>compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen >>to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. >>(The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) >> > >I don't seem to see the problem here. > >If router B sends a packet outside the wireless stub through router A, how will A ever think to send back to router B? The shortest path cannot be through the wireless network because the only way out of the wireless network is through A. Any path back into the network would add the additional cost of the loop. > You are assuming that there is only one edge router. But your draft defines an edge router as "A router that has more than one interface and at least one of these interfaces is a wireless interface." So the draft does not preclude multiple edge routers. I wouldn't want to preclude this anyway. > > >Router A has a full view of the network, but router B only has a view of the wireless stub and a default to A. > >Maybe the problem is textual in that we are assuming there is only one edge router in a wireless stub. Otherwise, the network would not be a stub but a transit wireless network. > A stub network can have multiple edge routers. In OSPF terms, a stub area can have multiple area border routers. > > >We do agree the mechanism is functionally equivalent to a totally stubby area, but this is not specified in 2328. > Indeed it is provided in Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328, as I discussed with Vishwas. A stub area is not *required* to be "totally stubby", but the RFC allows suppressing all summary LSAs, for exactly the reason we have in mind. In general, as I discussed on the OSPF list, my view is that it is possible to extend OSPF to support MANET interfaces using something that is much closer to OSPF than what your draft proposes. I think the OSPF WG would like to minimize the changes/additions to OSPF. Richard > > >>If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the >>wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem >>is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary >>LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus >>would not send the packet back into the wireless area. >> >>Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area >>to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet >>(as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? >> >>Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on >>the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending >>OSPF to support MANETs. >> >>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf >> >>Regards, >>Richard >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>manet mailing list >>manet@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 14:49:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28270 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWhfT-0003rc-5M for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by stl-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id hBHJjHn02463 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:45:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from xch-nw-26.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.100]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:45:14 -0800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:45:14 -0800 Message-ID: <2AFCB5FA378DEE4CA704B9AD7764637901839B58@xch-nw-26.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: FW: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Thread-Index: AcPEzxSC2KPpYXciQmSRgpPetVRjlgABm2Mg From: "Spagnolo, Phillip A" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 19:45:14.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A4754A0:01C3C4D6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard, > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ogier [mailto:ogier@erg.sri.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:51 AM > To: Spagnolo, Phillip A > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: FW: [manet] Comment on > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >=20 >=20 > Phillip, >=20 > Spagnolo, Phillip A wrote: >=20 > >Comments included. > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Richard Ogier [mailto:ogier@erg.sri.com] > >>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:32 PM > >>To: manet@ietf.org > >>Subject: [manet] Comment on > >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > >> > >> > >>I have a comment regarding > >>draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > >> > >>Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > >>and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > >>is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > >>Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > >>from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > >>router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all*=20 > routers in > >>the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > >> > >>There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > >>in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > >>but routers A and B have different information. > >>To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > >>use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > >>Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > >>compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > >>to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > >>(The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > >> > > > >I don't seem to see the problem here.=20 > >=20 > >If router B sends a packet outside the wireless stub through=20 > router A, how will A ever think to send back to router B? =20 > The shortest path cannot be through the wireless network=20 > because the only way out of the wireless network is through=20 > A. Any path back into the network would add the additional=20 > cost of the loop. =20 > > > You are assuming that there is only one edge router. But your draft=20 > defines an edge router as > "A router that has more than one interface and at least one of these=20 > interfaces is a wireless interface." > So the draft does not preclude multiple edge routers. I=20 > wouldn't want=20 > to preclude this anyway. >=20 > > > > > >Router A has a full view of the network, but router B only=20 > has a view of the wireless stub and a default to A. =20 > > > >Maybe the problem is textual in that we are assuming there=20 > is only one edge router in a wireless stub. Otherwise, the=20 > network would not be a stub but a transit wireless network. > > > A stub network can have multiple edge routers. In OSPF=20 > terms, a stub=20 > area can have multiple > area border routers. >=20 > > > > > >We do agree the mechanism is functionally equivalent to a=20 > totally stubby area, but this is not specified in 2328. > > > Indeed it is provided in Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328, as I discussed=20 > with Vishwas. > A stub area is not *required* to be "totally stubby", but the=20 > RFC allows=20 > suppressing all summary LSAs, > for exactly the reason we have in mind. >=20 > In general, as I discussed on the OSPF list, my view is that it is=20 > possible to extend OSPF to support > MANET interfaces using something that is much closer to OSPF=20 > than what=20 > your draft proposes. > I think the OSPF WG would like to minimize the=20 > changes/additions to OSPF. >=20 > Richard >=20 Agreed. The totally stubby area is implied in 2328 and functionally = equivalent to a stub wireless network. Thanks for the comments. =20 We too desire to have a MANET interface using something close to legacy = OSPF. This is one of our initial design goal, but there will be a = performance spectrum based on the changes made to 2328. We desire to = find a good balance. Sincerely, Phil > > > > > >>If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > >>wireless routers, with router A as an area border router,=20 > this problem > >>is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only=20 > backbone summary > >>LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > >>would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > >> > >>Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > >>to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > >>(as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > >> > >>Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > >>the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > >>OSPF to support MANETs. > >> > >>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=3Dind0312&L=3Dospf > >> > >>Regards, > >>Richard > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>manet mailing list > >>manet@ietf.org > >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >manet mailing list > >manet@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 21:38:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA19000 for ; 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Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:37:13 -0500 Received: from parkslope (12-221-100-79.client.insightBB.com [12.221.100.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBI2b8jI019253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:37:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <027c01c3c50f$d63191e0$6501a8c0@parkslope> From: "Robin Kravets" To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:37:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] ACM MobiCom 2004 - Preliminary CFP Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We apologize in advance if you receive multiple copies of this CFP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS MobiCom 2004 The Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking September 26 - October 1, 2004 Philadelphia, PA, USA (dates and location are subject to final approval) http://www.sigmobile.org/mobicom/2004/ Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE IMPORTANT DATES: Paper registrations due: March 8, 2004 Paper submissions due: March 15, 2004 Notification of acceptance: June 21, 2004 Camera-ready versions due: July 25, 2004 ACM MobiCom 2004, the Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking, is the tenth in the series of annual conferences sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE and dedicated to addressing the challenges in the areas of mobile computing and wireless and mobile networking. The MobiCom conference series serves as the premier international forum addressing networks, systems, algorithms, and applications that support the symbiosis of mobile computers and wireless networks. MobiCom is a highly selective, single-track conference focusing on all issues in mobile computing and wireless and mobile networking at the link layer and above. PAPERS: Authors are invited to submit full papers presenting new research related to the theory or practice of mobile computing and networking. All submissions must describe original research that is not published or currently under review by another conference or journal. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: - Applications and computing services supporting mobile users - Architectures, protocols, and algorithms to cope with mobility, limited bandwidth, or intermittent connectivity - Database and data management issues in mobile computing - Operating system and middleware support for mobile computing and networking - Distributed systems aspects of mobile computing - New mobile and wireless applications - Integration and interworking of wired and wireless networks - Performance of mobile and wireless networks and systems - Location-dependent applications and protocols - Security and privacy of mobile/wireless systems - Mobile ad hoc and sensor networks - Wireless multimedia systems - Algorithms and protocols for power management and control - Service creation and management environments for mobile/wireless systems The program committee will referee all papers, and accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Selected papers will appear in a special issue of the ACM/Kluwer Wireless Networks (WINET) journal. CHALLENGES PAPERS: The conference also solicits short papers (maximum of 8 pages) that challenge the mobile computing community with revolutionary new approaches, new technologies, or visionary applications. Such papers should provide stimulating ideas or grand visions that may open up exciting avenues of far-reaching future research. Descriptions of new products or simple evolution of existing work are not appropriate as Challenges Papers. Challenges Papers will be reviewed and should be submitted using the normal submission procedure. The title of such papers must start with the word "Challenges," i.e., "Challenges: ... `rest of the title'." SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS: All paper submissions will be handled electronically. Authors should prepare a PDF or a PostScript version of their full paper. Papers must be no longer than 15 pages (8 pages for Challenges submissions), font size not smaller than 10 points, and must fit properly on U.S. "letter"-sized paper (8.5x11 inches) with reasonable margins. Detailed instructions for the paper submission procedure and format will be available on the conference web pages. The deadline for registering the title and the abstract of the paper with our electronic submission system is March 8, 2004 and the deadline for submitting the actual paper is March 15, 2004. All deadlines are 11:59PM EST. All submitted papers will be judged based on their quality through double-blind review process, where the identities of the authors are withheld from the reviewers. Authors should not be identifiable by any means from the paper or from the PDF or the Postscript file. Guidelines for preparing the paper for blind reviewing, as well as electronic paper submission instructions, will be available on the conference web pages. Submitted or substantially similar papers must not be currently under review for any other publication. Please direct any questions regarding paper submission to the Program Co-Chairs, Samir Das and Ravi Jain at mobicom_pcchairs@acm.org. TUTORIALS: Proposals for tutorials are solicited. Evaluation of tutorial proposals will be based on the expertise and experience of the instructors and on the relevance of the subject matter. Potential instructors are requested to submit a tutorial proposal of at most 5 pages, including a biographical sketch, to the Tutorial Co-Chairs, Andrew Campbell (campbell@ee.columbia.edu) and Taieb Znati (tznati@nsf.gov). The deadline for tutorial proposals is April 05, 2004. PANELS: Panel proposals are solicited that examine innovative, controversial, or otherwise provocative issues of interest. Panel proposals should not exceed 3 pages, including biographical sketches of the panelists. Potential panel organizers should contact the Panel Co-Chairs, Prathima Agrawal (pagrawal@eng.auburn.edu) and Tao Zhang (tao@research.telcordia.com). The deadline for panel proposals is April 26, 2004. RESEARCH DEMOS AND EXHIBITS: Proposals for research demos are solicited. Proposals should not exceed 3 pages and should include a description of the demo and equipment to be used. Send proposals to the Research Demo Chair, Elizabeth Belding-Royer (ebelding@cs.ucsb.edu). The deadline for demo proposals is July 12, 2004. We are also planning an Expo featuring exhibits of the latest mobile computing products and services. STUDENT POSTER SESSION: Student posters are solicited that present recent and on-going research by students on mobile computing and mobile and wireless networking topics. Student posters should not exceed 2 pages and should include a description of the student's research. See above for paper formatting requirements. Accepted posters will be put on the conference web page; however, they will not be printed in the conference proceedings. Send poster submissions to the Student Poster Co-Chairs, Chiara Petrioli (petrioli@di.uniroma1.it) and Stefano Basagni (basagni@ece.neu.edu). The deadline for student posters is July 12, 2004. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD: Papers with a student as a primary author will be considered for the Best Student Paper Award, with a cash award of 1000 USD. Students must indicate with their submission that they would like to be considered for this award. The student author of the awarded paper is expected to present the paper at the conference. GENERAL CHAIR Zygmunt Haas Cornell University PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS Samir R. Das Stony Brook University, SUNY Ravi Jain DoCoMo USA Labs STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR Imrich Chlamtac University of Texas at Dallas ACM PROGRAM DIRECTOR Ginger Ignatoff Additional committee members will be announced on the conference web page. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 04:57:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13424 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWuuE-00014B-O4 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBI9vIxo004091 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWuuC-00013t-RD for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13390 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWuu9-0007kd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWuu8-0007kW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWuu8-0007kT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWutz-00012b-Em; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:57:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWuti-00012E-22 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:56:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13379 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWute-0007jG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:56:42 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWute-0007j9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:56:42 -0500 Received: from zeus.ruca.ua.ac.be ([143.129.201.210] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWutd-0007j6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:56:41 -0500 Received: from pcinf47 (pcinf47.ruca.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.72]) by zeus.ruca.ua.ac.be (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02544 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:56:36 +0100 (MET) From: "Michael Voorhaen" To: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:56:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c3c54d$370d7b90$484b818f@pcinf47> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C555.98D36A30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000002CFDDC5185CD4745B7A7AB033ACF4D7B64692000 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the HelpDesk for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: [manet] DSR unidirectional links Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C555.98D36A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 Recently I've been looking into the use of unidirectional links in = MANETs, and am trying to figure if they can be used as an advantage. Naturally I turned myself to DSR, since the draft says it supports unidirectional = links and there is already a lot of code available that I can work with. Implementing the RREP being piggybacked on a RREQ was not that = difficult. But implementing Route Maintenance is trickier, and I am starting to = think that this is the reason why very little effort is being made about = research into unidirectional links. As the draft describes you can use link = layer, passive and network layer acks. The first two are not feasible in this = case. So we would have to use network layer acks. However these acks might = need to return over an entirely different route to the previous hop and that = route needs to be found and maintained. It seems to me that there are many disadvantages to this approach, and that it will be difficult to quickly notice a link failure. Does anybody know of any other work directed at these problems? 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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:18:14 -0500 Received: from mail.da-iict.org (smtp.da-iict.org [10.100.56.27]) by da-iict.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id hBICHWt22663 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:47:32 +0530 Received: (from net@localhost) by mail.da-iict.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id hBICHYR08633; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:47:34 +0530 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:47:34 +0530 Message-Id: <200312181217.hBICHYR08633@mail.da-iict.org> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.da-iict.org: net set sender to shubham_jain@da-iict.org using -f From: "Shubham Jain" To: manet@ietf.org X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.26 X-IPAddress: 10.100.60.58 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [manet] How to proceed for 802.11b network simulation in Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 I want to model the 802.11b wireless network using glomosim. Sufficient help is not available regarding this. Can anyone guide me how to start with the 802_11.h, .pc and .pi files in glomosim's mac directory to develop a simulation for the 802.11b network? Thanks, Yours affectionately, Shubham Jain . http://intranet.da-iict.org _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 07:28:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17397 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWxG1-0006zO-1f for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:57 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBICRvxW026860 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWxG0-0006z9-T8 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17387 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWxFs-00043C-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWxFS-00042e-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:23 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWxFS-00041w-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWxF7-0006ig-Us; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:27:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWxEp-0006iM-1B for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:26:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17351 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWxEh-0003zv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:26:35 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWxEH-0003zb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:26:10 -0500 Received: from london.unik.no ([193.156.97.32]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWxEH-0003yw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:26:09 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:25:11 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Rate adaptive 802.11 in ad hoc networks thread-index: AcPFYfsg4aAPTs1mTrWncAd47fURKw== From: "Andreas Hafslund" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Rate adaptive 802.11 in ad hoc networks Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in finding an old paper: "WaveLAN-II, a high performance wireless LAN for unlicensed band" by = Kamerman and Monteban.=20 It is no available on the Internet. If anybody has this paper, I would = appriciate it if you can e-mail me the paper. I am also interested in = other papers describing rate adaptive 802.11 used in ad hoc networks. Regards, andreas. --=20 Andreas Hafslund UniK - University Graduate Center Norway _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 09:54:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24980 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWzXZ-0005zd-Vj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIEsDI5023034 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWzXY-0005zR-Rl for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24958 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWzXW-0005RV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWzXV-0005RG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWzXV-0005RD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWzXN-0005xn-CG; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWzWf-0005xD-Gk for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:53:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24918 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWzWd-0005ON-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:53:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWzWc-0005OF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:53:15 -0500 Received: from plant.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([203.178.143.91]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWzWb-0005O8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:53:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plant.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF28B1B56B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:53:11 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:53:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031218.235311.23822926.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr Cc: ogier@erg.sri.com, manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 From: Yasuhiro Ohara In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3c4a3$898f7760$1f175d80@inria.fr> References: <3FDFF851.3040508@erg.sri.com> <00bd01c3c4a3$898f7760$1f175d80@inria.fr> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Philippe From: "Philippe Jacquet" Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:41:55 +0100 > I am not completely expert in OSPF but it seems that this problem is not > specific to wireless links. I don't know how OSPF solves this. If there is > an alternative route from A doesn't it means that A may have received the > forbidden LSA via this route? Do you mean router B by A, don't you ? (because the router B is the one assumed not to have enough LSAs in the Richards's story.) Let's expand Richard's example: N1 ---- A .... B .... C ---- where A, B, C are routers, wired link is illustrated as ----, and wireless link is illustrated as .... . N1 indicates the address prefix of the right side link of C. B may not have C's LSA or N1's network-LSA (Intra-Prefix LSA in case of OSPFv3) because the draft specifies the way that the database synchronization is not done on wireless link (i.e. both side link of B). So B will either forwards traffic destined to N1 to A or simply drops, according to whether B have default route (assume it is destined to A's direction if exists). So, only having alternative link(s) does not mean that the router will have all LSA in the case of the draft. The Richards question seems very reasonable for me (and maybe for other people who knows OSPF). regards, yasu > Philippe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Ogier > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:31 AM > Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > > I have a comment regarding > > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > > > > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > > but routers A and B have different information. > > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > > > > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > > > > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > > > > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > > OSPF to support MANETs. > > > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf > > > > Regards, > > Richard > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 12:10:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03005 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1ev-0004Xh-IP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:59 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIH9vS8017455 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1ev-0004XS-Eg for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02959 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1eu-0004sU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1es-0004sM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:55 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1es-0004sJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:54 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1e2-0004RU-3b; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1dw-0004Qy-3f for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:08:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02891 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1du-0004qV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:08:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1ds-0004qD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:08:54 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1ds-0004pJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:08:52 -0500 Received: from zephyrin (byzantium.inria.fr [128.93.17.6]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBIH8DH15302; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:08:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00fc01c3c589$80ee5400$1f175d80@inria.fr> From: "Philippe Jacquet" To: "Yasuhiro Ohara" Cc: , References: <3FDFF851.3040508@erg.sri.com><00bd01c3c4a3$898f7760$1f175d80@inria.fr> <20031218.235311.23822926.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Subject: Re: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:08:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Yasu, I was just asking because I am really ignorant on some specific aspects of OSPF;-) If I understand correctly previous discussions, then it seems that our original proposal may have problems if we allow some edge routers of the same wireless networks to be stub and other not to be. I tend to agree with this. What about if stub wireless networks have only one edge router, which is stub, as it is stated in RFC 2328? Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Yasuhiro Ohara To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > Hi, Philippe > > From: "Philippe Jacquet" > Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:41:55 +0100 > > > I am not completely expert in OSPF but it seems that this problem is not > > specific to wireless links. I don't know how OSPF solves this. If there is > > an alternative route from A doesn't it means that A may have received the > > forbidden LSA via this route? > > Do you mean router B by A, don't you ? (because the router B is the one > assumed not to have enough LSAs in the Richards's story.) > > Let's expand Richard's example: > > N1 > ---- A .... B .... C ---- > > where A, B, C are routers, wired link is illustrated as ----, > and wireless link is illustrated as .... . N1 indicates > the address prefix of the right side link of C. > > B may not have C's LSA or N1's network-LSA (Intra-Prefix LSA > in case of OSPFv3) because the draft specifies the way that > the database synchronization is not done on wireless link > (i.e. both side link of B). So B will either forwards traffic > destined to N1 to A or simply drops, according to whether B have > default route (assume it is destined to A's direction if exists). > > So, only having alternative link(s) does not mean that the router > will have all LSA in the case of the draft. > > The Richards question seems very reasonable for me (and maybe > for other people who knows OSPF). > > regards, > yasu > > > Philippe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Richard Ogier > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:31 AM > > Subject: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > > > > > I have a comment regarding > > > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 > > > > > > Suppose router A is an edge router (with both a wireless interface > > > and a wired interface) that is configured as a stub, and router B > > > is a neighbor of A with only a wireless interface. > > > Also suppose that router A has received "outside" LSAs originated > > > from outside the wireless subnet, which it does not forward to > > > router B (since it is a stub). Further suppose that *all* routers in > > > the network (including non-wireless routers) are in the same area. > > > > > > There appears to be a problem, because OSPF assumes that all routers > > > in the same area have the same link-state information for the area, > > > but routers A and B have different information. > > > To reach a destination outside the wireless subnet, router B will > > > use the default route and thus forward the packet to router A. > > > Since router A has more information than router B, router A will > > > compute the shortest path to the destination, which might happen > > > to go through router B, thus forming a routing loop. > > > (The draft states that the routing table is calculated as in OSPF.) > > > > > > If instead, an OSPF stub area is configured which includes only the > > > wireless routers, with router A as an area border router, this problem > > > is avoided, because in OSPF, router A would use only backbone summary > > > LSAs to compute routes to destinations outside the area, and thus > > > would not send the packet back into the wireless area. > > > > > > Am I missing something? Why don't you simply use an OSPF stub area > > > to avoid flooding outside LSAs within the wireless subnet > > > (as per Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328)? > > > > > > Also, I should point out that there has been some discussion on > > > the OSPF list regarding how to approach the problem of extending > > > OSPF to support MANETs. > > > > > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf > > > > > > Regards, > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > manet mailing list > > > manet@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 12:28:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04052 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1wL-0005X9-Ld for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:57 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIHRvEP021271 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1wL-0005TY-GE for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04038 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1wC-0005l8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1vm-0005kw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1vm-0005kh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1vS-0005JY-8T; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:27:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX1vF-0005In-He for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04015 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1v9-0005it-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1uj-0005id-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:17 -0500 Received: from plant.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([203.178.143.91]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX1ui-0005i8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plant.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A8D1B56B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:25:48 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:25:48 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031219.022548.103566965.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr Cc: ogier@erg.sri.com, manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 From: Yasuhiro Ohara In-Reply-To: <00fc01c3c589$80ee5400$1f175d80@inria.fr> References: <00bd01c3c4a3$898f7760$1f175d80@inria.fr> <20031218.235311.23822926.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> <00fc01c3c589$80ee5400$1f175d80@inria.fr> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was just asking because I am really ignorant on some specific aspects of > OSPF;-) If I understand correctly previous discussions, then it seems that > our original proposal may have problems if we allow some edge routers of the > same wireless networks to be stub and other not to be. I tend to agree with > this. What about if stub wireless networks have only one edge router, which > is stub, as it is stated in RFC 2328? But then how do you support the case below ? Internet ---- A .... B .... C ---- D How do you define the point "one edge router" to be ? In the case above, B would have to recognize A as edge rather than C, and C would have to detect that itself is not edge. OSPF's stub area defines the only-one edge point by the node from whom the default route is originated. So I guess it's simpler (and so better) to leave the spec not to define Manet part of the network, and let the user form it by configuring ordinary stub area. regards, yasu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 12:39:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04775 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX271-0006Ng-Ki for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:00 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIHcxQd024528 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX270-0006L2-EB for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04761 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX26t-0006LZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:51 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX26S-0006Kq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:26 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX26S-0006KQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX267-00064m-Er; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX25Y-0005xT-Uq for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04710 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX25S-0006JI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:22 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX252-0006Ie-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:36:57 -0500 Received: from plant.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([203.178.143.91]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX251-0006Ht-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plant.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6331B56B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:36:43 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:36:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031219.023643.17125427.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr Cc: ogier@erg.sri.com, manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 From: Yasuhiro Ohara In-Reply-To: <20031219.022548.103566965.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: <20031218.235311.23822926.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> <00fc01c3c589$80ee5400$1f175d80@inria.fr> <20031219.022548.103566965.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I was just asking because I am really ignorant on some specific aspects of > > OSPF;-) If I understand correctly previous discussions, then it seems that > > our original proposal may have problems if we allow some edge routers of the > > same wireless networks to be stub and other not to be. I tend to agree with > > this. What about if stub wireless networks have only one edge router, which > > is stub, as it is stated in RFC 2328? > > But then how do you support the case below ? > > Internet ---- A .... B .... C ---- D > > How do you define the point "one edge router" to be ? > In the case above, B would have to recognize A as edge rather > than C, and C would have to detect that itself is not edge. > > OSPF's stub area defines the only-one edge point by the node > from whom the default route is originated. So I guess it's > simpler (and so better) to leave the spec not to define > Manet part of the network, and let the user form it > by configuring ordinary stub area. If you meant "How about to use normal (rfc2328's) stub area", then I might just misunderstand what you said ... I wanted to say "defining new restriction for special case (i.e. Manet)" should be avoided if possible. We should utilize the existing scheme as far as possible, shouldn't we ? (as it tends to lead some new problems ...) regards, yasu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 12:57:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05851 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2OR-0007LO-7k for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:57:00 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIHuxdP028229 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:56:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2OR-0007LC-3f for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:56:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05790 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2OP-0007Fq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:56:57 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2OO-0007Fj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:56:56 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2LC-00072x-04 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:53:38 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX291-0006S7-Oo; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:41:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX28m-0006RJ-K0 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04844 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX28l-0006Q5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:47 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX28k-0006Py-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:46 -0500 Received: from [206.17.46.85] (helo=titania.wins.hrl.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX28j-0006Pv-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:45 -0500 Received: from nexus.wins.hrl.com (nexus.wins.hrl.com [206.17.239.82]) by titania.wins.hrl.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBIHeaa22578; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Gavin Holland Reply-To: Gavin Holland To: Andreas Hafslund cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Rate adaptive 802.11 in ad hoc networks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Andreas, The article you are looking for can be found here: http://lucent.netlabs.net/minds/techjournal/summer_97/pdf/paper08.pdf Other papers on the subject are: Gavin Holland, Nitin Vaidya, and Paramvir Bahl, "A Rate-Adaptive MAC Protocol for Multi-Hop Wireless Networks," in Proceedings of MOBICOM '01, Rome, 2001. http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/446806.html B. Sadeghi, V. Kanodia, A. Sabharwal, E. Knightly, "Opportunistic Media Access for Multirate Ad Hoc Networks," in Proceedings of MOBICOM '02, Atlanta, 2002. http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/535415.html Gavin Holland HRL Laboratories, LLC 3011 Malibu Canyon Rd. Malibu, CA 90265 310-317-5289 On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Andreas Hafslund wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:25:11 +0100 > From: Andreas Hafslund > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] Rate adaptive 802.11 in ad hoc networks > > I am interested in finding an old paper: > > "WaveLAN-II, a high performance wireless LAN for unlicensed band" by Kamerman and Monteban. > > It is no available on the Internet. If anybody has this paper, I would appriciate it if you can e-mail me the paper. I am also interested in other papers describing rate adaptive 802.11 used in ad hoc networks. > > Regards, > andreas. > > -- > Andreas Hafslund > UniK - University Graduate Center > Norway > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 13:06:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06221 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2X7-0007fD-Gx for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:57 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBII5vwS029453 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2X7-0007ey-Dw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06211 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2X5-0007aU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:55 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2X4-0007aN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:55 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2X4-0007aK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:54 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2Kb-0006wW-NW; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:53:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2KE-0006vi-JE for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:52:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05473 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2KC-0006yw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:52:36 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2KB-0006yi-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:52:36 -0500 Received: from mail4.microsoft.com ([131.107.3.122]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2KB-0006y2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:52:35 -0500 Received: from mail6.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.196]) by mail4.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:52:39 -0800 Received: from inet-vrs-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.181]) by mail6.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:51:44 -0800 Received: from 157.54.6.197 by inet-vrs-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:52:04 -0800 Received: from RED-MSG-31.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.47.231]) by INET-HUB-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:52:02 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] DSR unidirectional links Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:52:04 -0800 Message-ID: <5C611EA73500FE4C908733811F670B450218B5F0@RED-MSG-31.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] DSR unidirectional links Thread-Index: AcPFTTOhoTdtijiYTHSod0nn3a6v/QAQidEg From: "Richard Draves" To: "Michael Voorhaen" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 17:52:02.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[A41EE830:01C3C58F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Recently I've been looking into the use of unidirectional=20 > links in MANETs, and am trying to figure if they can be used=20 > as an advantage. Naturally I turned myself to DSR, since the=20 > draft says it supports unidirectional links and there is=20 > already a lot of code available that I can work with.=20 > Implementing the RREP being piggybacked on a RREQ was not=20 > that difficult. But implementing Route Maintenance is=20 > trickier, and I am starting to think that this is the reason=20 > why very little effort is being made about research into=20 > unidirectional links. As the draft describes you can use link=20 > layer, passive and network layer acks. The first two are not=20 > feasible in this case. So we would have to use network layer=20 > acks. However these acks might need to return over an=20 > entirely different route to the previous hop and that route=20 > needs to be found and maintained. It seems to me that there=20 > are many disadvantages to this approach, and that it will be=20 > difficult to quickly notice a link failure. The Microsoft Research implementation of DSR supports unidirectional links using network layer acks for route maintenance. Works great. Rich _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 13:12:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06517 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2d8-0008Nb-7p for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIICA7g032205 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2d8-0008NM-4c for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06502 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2d6-0007mC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2d4-0007ly-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2d4-0007lv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2cz-0008Ld-44; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2cA-0008L2-5h for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:11:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06465 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2c8-0007jh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:11:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2c7-0007ja-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:11:07 -0500 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2c6-0007jX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:11:07 -0500 Received: from user-38ldvgo.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.254.24] helo=erg.sri.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AX2by-0002BG-00; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:10:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE1EDAE.8000200@erg.sri.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:10:54 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yasuhiro Ohara CC: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr, manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 References: <20031218.235311.23822926.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> <00fc01c3c589$80ee5400$1f175d80@inria.fr> <20031219.022548.103566965.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> <20031219.023643.17125427.yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yasuhiro Ohara wrote: > >If you meant "How about to use normal (rfc2328's) stub area", >then I might just misunderstand what you said ... > >I wanted to say "defining new restriction for special case (i.e. Manet)" >should be avoided if possible. We should utilize the existing scheme >as far as possible, shouldn't we ? (as it tends to lead some new >problems ...) > I agree. That is exactly the point I was making. And this goes for other aspects of OSPF, not just stub areas. For example, it is not necessary to define a new message type for flooding LSAs, as discussed in my draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.txt We should probably be having this discussion on the OSPF list: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0312&L=ospf Regards, Richard > > >regards, >yasu > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 14:00:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08844 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3Nh-0001nD-Dj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIJ0Hee006879 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3Ng-0001mo-V7 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08807 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3Ne-0001sF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3Nc-0001rv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3Nc-0001rs-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3NW-0001hf-0K; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:00:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3MX-0001fN-NM for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08720 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3MV-0001oZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3MT-0001oK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:02 -0500 Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu ([141.219.70.111]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3MS-0001o6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:00 -0500 Received: from node2. (node2.mtu.edu [141.219.68.102]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id hBIIx0213232 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from node24 (node24.mtu.edu [141.219.68.124]) by node2. (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBIIx0t20412 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:00 -0500 Received: from campus4.mtu.edu ([141.219.70.7]) by node24 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from node2. (node2.mtu.edu [141.219.68.102]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBIIwxX00140 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccgradpc1 (ccgrad-pc1.win.ee.mtu.edu [141.219.21.168]) by node2. (8.12.10/8.12.3/auth_ssl.mc v1.0) with SMTP id hBIIwxXq020405 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c3c598$faa36920$a815db8d@win.ee.mtu.edu> From: "Leiyuan Li" To: Subject: [MANET] How to emulate encryption time Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:58:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C56F.11C17A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C56F.11C17A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I'm making a simulator for testing the performance of SAODV. Since the = encryption/decryption algorithm constitutes a significant time in packet = processing, I want to include this time into the simulation. I wonder, = when estimating the time for encryption/decryption, is it a common = practice to run a seperate encryption/decryption program to test the = time for cryptographic algorithms on a machine with certain = computational power, and manually set this delay as a parameter to the = simulator? Or, did people actually run the encryption/decryption inside = the simulator to test the time? Thank you for helping! Best regards, Leiyuan Li ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C56F.11C17A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
 
I'm making a simulator for testing the = performance=20 of SAODV.  Since the encryption/decryption algorithm constitutes a=20 significant time in packet processing, I want to include this time into = the=20 simulation.  I wonder, when estimating the time for = encryption/decryption,=20 is it a common practice to run a seperate encryption/decryption program = to test=20 the time for cryptographic algorithms on a machine with certain = computational=20 power, and manually set this delay as a parameter to the = simulator?  Or,=20 did people actually run the encryption/decryption inside the simulator = to test=20 the time?  Thank you for helping!
 
Best regards,
Leiyuan Li
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C56F.11C17A40-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 14:32:53 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10731 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3sm-0003Gw-Mj for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:25 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIJWOL8012576 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3sm-0003Gl-JO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10683 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3sj-0003O2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3sh-0003Ng-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3sh-0003N8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3sO-0003Bp-Lk; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3rq-00035o-A9 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10583 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3rd-0003Ik-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3rD-0003Hk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0500 Received: from ms1.city.ac.uk ([138.40.12.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3rC-0003G0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:30:47 -0500 Received: from mailswitch.city.ac.uk ([138.40.12.12] helo=mailswitch) by ms1.city.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3qd-0006Ok-Cj for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:30:11 +0000 Received: from eeipc197.city.ac.uk ([138.40.163.23] helo=CITY) by mailswitch with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 1AX3qd-00040V-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:30:11 +0000 From: "Ehsan Hamadani" To: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c3c59d$33df37b0$17a3288a@CITY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C59D.33DF37B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Computing Services for more information X-City-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-City-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.6, required 5, BAYES_30 -0.93, HTML_70_80 0.33) Subject: [manet] OPNET or NS2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C59D.33DF37B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all Has anyone compared the results from simulation in OPNET and NS2 with each other yet?? In specific, do you know whether there is any difference between them in terms of accuracy or not? I have the licence for using OPNET however, I am not very sure to choose which of the software to use. I would be thankful if you can tell me the advantages/disadvantages of using OPNET versus NS2 which can help me to choose my proper simulation software. Regards, Ehsan ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C59D.33DF37B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

Has anyone compared the results from simulation in OPNET and NS2 = with each other yet??

In specific, do you know whether there is any difference between = them in terms of accuracy or not?

I have the licence for using OPNET however, I am not very sure = to choose which of the software to use.

I would be thankful if you can tell me the = advantages/disadvantages of using OPNET versus NS2 which can help me to choose my proper simulation software.

 

Regards,

 

Ehsan

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C59D.33DF37B0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 15:21:00 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14510 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX4dL-0005cK-BH for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIKKVlG021593 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX4dK-0005cC-OT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14504 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX4dJ-0005ho-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:29 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX4dH-0005ha-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:29 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX4dH-0005hX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX4cx-0005Wg-82; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:20:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX4cK-0005VC-B2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:19:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14389 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX4cJ-0005e8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:19:27 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX4cI-0005e1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0500 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.117]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX4cH-0005dm-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:19:25 -0500 Received: from [128.240.230.20] (msvpn2-20.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.230.20]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1-20030918-patch/8.10.1) with ESMTP id hBIKJM624985; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:19:22 GMT In-Reply-To: <000001c3c59d$33df37b0$17a3288a@CITY> References: <000001c3c59d$33df37b0$17a3288a@CITY> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <75392AE1-3197-11D8-A3DC-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: From: Einar Vollset Subject: Re: [manet] OPNET or NS2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:19:18 +0000 To: "Ehsan Hamadani" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Postmaster@newcastle.ac.uk for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ehsan, You might find following paper by Cavin, Sasson and Schiper interesting, though it won't necessarily make your choice any easier.. David Cavin, Yoav Sasson, Andr=E9 Schiper "On the Accuracy of MANET Simulators"=A0=A0 Proceedings of the Workshop on Principles of Mobile Computing (POMC'02) @ http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cavin02accuracy.html Cheers, Einar ---------------------------------------- Einar Vollset PhD Student School of Computing Science University of Newcastle, UK http://vollset.org ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 19:00:55 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29901 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX849-0000rJ-B7 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJ00O9W003293 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-27.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.101]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:57:31 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:57:31 -0800 Message-ID: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C026B5F96@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Thread-Index: AcPFkuLxlDp70DKvQJWi/HkplBtq6wAK/tDQ From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Richard Ogier" , "Yasuhiro Ohara" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 23:57:31.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[B348DD10:01C3C5C2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ogier [mailto:ogier@erg.sri.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:11 AM > To: Yasuhiro Ohara > Cc: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr; manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] Comment > ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >=20 >=20 > Yasuhiro Ohara wrote: >=20 > > > >If you meant "How about to use normal (rfc2328's) stub area", > >then I might just misunderstand what you said ... > > > >I wanted to say "defining new restriction for special case=20 > (i.e. Manet)" > >should be avoided if possible. We should utilize the existing scheme > >as far as possible, shouldn't we ? (as it tends to lead some new > >problems ...) > > >=20 > I agree. That is exactly the point I was making. And this goes for=20 > other aspects of OSPF, not just > stub areas. For example, it is not necessary to define a new message=20 > type for flooding LSAs, as > discussed in my draft=20 > =20 > = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.t= xt >=20 I think we agree on the desirability of keeping OSPF as unchanged as=20 possible. That was why we made it a requirement in our project that all = LSAs be unchanged-- we want backward compatibility with legacy OSPF = routers. But let's be clear about one thing. There is a design space here for optimization, ranging on one end from very minor changes to OSPF (e.g. changing timer values) to very major (e.g., something that does not look like OSPF at all, with, for example, route redistribution or LSA=20 transcoding at the edges). All things being equal, I think that = everyone will vote for "most like existing OSPF"-- but behavior of different schemes is not guaranteed to be equal, of course. I've said before that, in my opinion, defining a new message type for flooding LSAs is not a big deal, if it accomplishes what is desired. =20 The important issue in that particular case is getting the right=20 flooding mechanism (MPR vs CDS, reliable vs unreliable). If we take a stance that we should not change message types unless absolutely=20 necessary, then we are also disqualifying possibilities such as=20 differential LSAs and modified LSRs (also suggested in the above draft). Tom=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 19:04:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00160 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX87o-0001Vn-SP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJ04CR1005804 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX87o-0001VX-MA for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00134 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX87l-0001iw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX87k-0001in-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX87k-0001ik-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX87e-0001QX-Qc; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:04:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX873-0001PU-Ek for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00090 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX870-0001gp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:22 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX86z-0001gi-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:21 -0500 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.96.56]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX86z-0001dc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:21 -0500 Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com ([129.172.13.4]) by stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id SAA25139; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:02:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-02) with ESMTP id PAA20666; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id hBINuRK13083; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-27.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.101]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:56:46 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:56:45 -0800 Message-ID: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C026B5F95@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Thread-Index: AcPFdyJ9vfYqxntERla0Kpv3+M+5hQARQ9tQ From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Yasuhiro Ohara" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 23:56:46.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[983B0D40:01C3C5C2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: Yasuhiro Ohara [mailto:yasu@sfc.wide.ad.jp] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:53 AM > To: philippe.jacquet@inria.fr > Cc: ogier@erg.sri.com; manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >=20 >=20 > Let's expand Richard's example: >=20 > N1 > ---- A .... B .... C ---- >=20 > where A, B, C are routers, wired link is illustrated as ----, > and wireless link is illustrated as .... . N1 indicates > the address prefix of the right side link of C. >=20 > B may not have C's LSA or N1's network-LSA (Intra-Prefix LSA > in case of OSPFv3) because the draft specifies the way that > the database synchronization is not done on wireless link > (i.e. both side link of B). So B will either forwards traffic > destined to N1 to A or simply drops, according to whether B have > default route (assume it is destined to A's direction if exists). >=20 > So, only having alternative link(s) does not mean that the router > will have all LSA in the case of the draft. >=20 In the draft, we defined something called a "stub wireless" network to avoid propagating any LSAs except a default route into the wireless subnet. As Phil said yesterday, we were trying to accomplish what is functionally equivalent to "Totally Stubby" area, which is not explicitly described in RFC 2328 but which is implied by a sentence in Section 12.4.3.1 of RFC 2328. We didn't realize that Totally Stubby was a specified piece of OSPF, rather than a vendor extension, so given that it is part of the RFC, I would say that I agree with=20 Richard that we should reuse what is already there. If we are not in this special case, then there is no issue because=20 all routers receive all LSAs in the area. Database synchronization=20 is not done but periodic unreliable flooding, like in OLSR, is = performed. > But then how do you support the case below ? > > Internet ---- A .... B .... C ---- D This is not a stub case in the implementation described in our draft-- the network (A-B-C) will distribute LSAs from Internet to D and vice versa. From outside of the wireless subnet, (A-B-C) will look like they are a point-to-multipoint subnet. Tom _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 21:30:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07016 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXAOp-0000AE-4d for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:55 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJ2TtRH000624 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXAOo-00009l-Vf for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07007 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAOh-0000a8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:47 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAOG-0000ZZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAOG-0000ZT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXANx-0008Sp-QR; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXAN7-0008Qc-Jz for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:28:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA06973 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: jasteven@rockwellcollins.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAMv-0000YC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:27:57 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAMV-0000Y5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:27:32 -0500 Received: from fw02.rockwellcollins.com ([205.175.225.45] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAMV-0000Xu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:27:31 -0500 Received: by fw02.Rockwellcollins.com; id UAA02660; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:27:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from nodnsquery(131.198.169.131) by fw02.collins.rockwell.com via smap (V5.5) id xma002496; Thu, 18 Dec 03 20:26:39 -0600 Received: from smtpgw02.rockwellcollins.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs01.rockwellcollins.com (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJ2Qea05127 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:26:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com (unverified) by smtpgw02.rockwellcollins.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:24:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [MANET] How to emulate encryption time To: manet@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:26:35 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CollinsCRSMTP02/CedarRapids/RockwellCollins(Release 6.5|September 26, 2003) at 12/18/2003 08:26:37 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Question ------------- From: "Leiyuan Li" To: Subject: [MANET] How to emulate encryption time Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:58:52 -0500 I'm making a simulator for testing the performance of SAODV. Since the = encryption/decryption algorithm constitutes a significant time in packet = processing, I want to include this time into the simulation. I wonder, = when estimating the time for encryption/decryption, is it a common = practice to run a seperate encryption/decryption program to test the = time for cryptographic algorithms on a machine with certain = computational power, and manually set this delay as a parameter to the = simulator? Or, did people actually run the encryption/decryption inside = the simulator to test the time? Response --------------- I assume that "to test the time" means "to test the latency performance through a node or through a network." In that case, we just set the delay to be a parameter provided to the simulator to speed up the simulation if all we want to do is run the simulation to test latency performance. Jim P.S. some other random, but somewhat related thoughts are: Don't forget to include other non-obvious moderately large delays that can arise from things like OS scheduling or interrupt processing or hardware power up times from sleep modes. It should be possible to build encryption accelerators to either reduce power consumption and/or speed up the encryption/decryption for many hardware implementations. Are you considering the different latency performances of the various MAC protocols which can vary widely over a range of conditions (such as nodal densities from just two nodes to tens or even hundreds of nodes) or congestion (from very lightly loaded to heavily congested)? _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 23:08:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA09852 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXBw2-0004B8-NM for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJ48Idm016053 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXBw1-0004Ai-Le for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA09821 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXBvx-0003Jq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXBvw-0003Jj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXBvw-0003Jg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXBvm-00047D-2d; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:08:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXBv9-0003wg-B4 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA09803 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXBus-0003IQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXBur-0003IJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu ([141.219.70.111]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXBur-0003IG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 Received: from node2. (node2.mtu.edu [141.219.68.102]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id hBJ475223624 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from node25 (node25.mtu.edu [141.219.68.125]) by node2. (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBJ475t08321 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 Received: from campus4.mtu.edu ([141.219.70.7]) by node25 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from node21. (node21.mtu.edu [141.219.68.121]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBJ470X10996 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dell4100 (pm414-40.dialip.mich.net [198.110.130.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by node21. (8.12.10/8.12.3/auth_ssl.mc v1.0) with ESMTP id hBJ46u5Q018268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c3c5e6$4722aa70$5a826ec6@dell4100> From: "Leiyuan Li" To: Subject: [MANET] What is AODV packet processing delay in NS2? 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Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:20:53 -0500 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id ZFK0K8AD; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:23:51 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: , Subject: RE: [MANET] How to emulate encryption time Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:20:15 +0900 Message-ID: <000001c3c5f8$2ab8c7e0$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. I am also ineterested in this issue. I know that a lot of papers are related in the security mechanism in MANET area and authors of most of them conducted simulation works with NS2 or whatever. So, more accurate answers including assumption about encryption/decryption processing delay and implementation delails can be given from them.(I want to hear that.) Although I do not have experiences in this, I think that we do not have to perform actual processing as most parts of simulation do, so we need some constant value for delay and next thing we have to do is to pass over new event for notifying the termination of enc/dec work with current time plus given delay to scheduler. For event hanlder to make next correct procedure start, the event also should have some parameter which can tell the context in which this event was generated. Since I am not sure, anyone who has experience with this issue can overwrite my thought. ^^ Regards, HyunWook +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - 0 HyunWook Cha - | 0 - 0 - 0 Researcher - | NGI Standards Research Team - 0 PEC/ETRI, KOREA - | (Tel) +82-42-860-1076 - 0 The truth will set you free. - John 8:32 - ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of jasteven@rockwellcollins.com > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:27 AM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [MANET] How to emulate encryption time > > > > > > > > Question > ------------- > > From: "Leiyuan Li" > To: > Subject: [MANET] How to emulate encryption time > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:58:52 -0500 > > I'm making a simulator for testing the performance of SAODV. > Since the = encryption/decryption algorithm constitutes a > significant time in packet = processing, I want to include > this time into the simulation. I wonder, = when estimating > the time for encryption/decryption, is it a common = practice > to run a seperate encryption/decryption program to test the = > time for cryptographic algorithms on a machine with certain = > computational power, and manually set this delay as a > parameter to the = simulator? Or, did people actually run > the encryption/decryption inside = the simulator to test the time? > > Response > --------------- > > I assume that "to test the time" means "to test the latency > performance through a node or through a network." > > In that case, we just set the delay to be a parameter > provided to the simulator to speed up the simulation if all > we want to do is run the simulation to test latency performance. > > Jim > > P.S. some other random, but somewhat related thoughts are: > > Don't forget to include other non-obvious moderately large > delays that can arise from things like OS scheduling or > interrupt processing or hardware power up times from sleep modes. > > It should be possible to build encryption accelerators to > either reduce power consumption and/or speed up the > encryption/decryption for many hardware implementations. > > Are you considering the different latency performances of the > various MAC protocols which can vary widely over a range of > conditions (such as nodal densities from just two nodes to > tens or even hundreds of nodes) or congestion (from very > lightly loaded to heavily congested)? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 11:45:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15465 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNkf-0000TR-DP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:22 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJGjLPa001818 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNkf-0000TF-8P for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15455 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNke-0000XB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNkc-0000Wy-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:19 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNkc-0000Wv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNkN-0000Rq-8m; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNjl-0000Qr-To for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:44:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15440 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNjk-0000Vf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:44:24 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNjj-0000VY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:44:24 -0500 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNjj-0000VV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:44:23 -0500 Received: from user-2ivfndl.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.221.181] helo=erg.sri.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AXNjg-0002Hk-00; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:44:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE32AE2.2060209@erg.sri.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:44:18 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henderson, Thomas R" CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment ondraft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C026B5F96@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Tom Henderson wrote: > I think we agree on the desirability of keeping OSPF as unchanged as > possible. That was why we made it a requirement in our project that all > LSAs be unchanged-- we want backward compatibility with legacy OSPF routers. > But let's be clear about one thing. There is a design space here for > optimization, ranging on one end from very minor changes to OSPF (e.g. > changing timer values) to very major (e.g., something that does not > look like OSPF at all, with, for example, route redistribution or LSA > transcoding at the edges). All things being equal, I think that everyone > will vote for "most like existing OSPF"-- but behavior of different > schemes is not guaranteed to be equal, of course. Agreed. A change to OSPF is justified if it results in a significant improvement in performance (e.g., less overhead). > I've said before that, in my opinion, defining a new message type for > flooding LSAs is not a big deal, if it accomplishes what is desired. That's true only if it results in a significant improvement that cannot be achieved *without* defining a new message type for flooding LSAs. In my opinion, a similar improvement *can* be achieved without defining a new message type. This is something that we can discuss and try to resolve. > The important issue in that particular case is getting the right > flooding mechanism (MPR vs CDS, reliable vs unreliable). If we take a > stance that we should not change message types unless absolutely > necessary, then we are also disqualifying possibilities such as > differential LSAs and modified LSRs (also suggested in the above draft). Of course (as I agreed above) we should *not* take the stance that message types should be changed only when absolutely necessary. But it is also important to distinguish between *required* features (such as the new LSF message in your draft) and *optional* features (such as the differential LSAs that I propose). Optional features need not be implemented, in which case you have no change. But it is nice to *have* the option, if it can be used in some situations to significantly improve performance. (Sort of like icing on the cake.) Richard > To _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 13:30:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18939 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPNF-0005Bd-46 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJITHtx019931 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPNE-0005BO-Vu for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18901 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPNC-0003YP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPNB-0003YI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPNB-0003YF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPN0-000571-BD; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:29:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPMX-000560-0f for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:28:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18887 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPMU-0003Xc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:28:31 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPMT-0003XV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:28:30 -0500 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPMT-0003XS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:28:29 -0500 Received: from user-38ldv9i.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.253.50] helo=erg.sri.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AXPMO-0003Uw-00; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:28:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE34345.6000806@erg.sri.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:28:21 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henderson, Thomas R" CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C026B5F96@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, See my additional comments below. Tom Henderson wrote: >> I think we agree on the desirability of keeping OSPF as unchanged as >> possible. That was why we made it a requirement in our project that all >> LSAs be unchanged-- we want backward compatibility with legacy OSPF routers. >> But let's be clear about one thing. There is a design space here for >> optimization, ranging on one end from very minor changes to OSPF (e.g. >> changing timer values) to very major (e.g., something that does not >> look like OSPF at all, with, for example, route redistribution or LSA >> transcoding at the edges). All things being equal, I think that everyone >> will vote for "most like existing OSPF"-- but behavior of different >> schemes is not guaranteed to be equal, of course. > Agreed. A change to OSPF is justified if it results in a significant > improvement in performance (e.g., less overhead). >> I've said before that, in my opinion, defining a new message type for >> flooding LSAs is not a big deal, if it accomplishes what is desired. > That's true only if it results in a significant improvement that > cannot be achieved *without* defining a new message type for > flooding LSAs. In my opinion, a similar improvement *can* be > achieved without defining a new message type. This is something > that we can discuss and try to resolve. We can start this discussion now. If you want to achieve periodic unreliable flooding of LSAs, all you have to do is suppress LSA ACKs, as discussed in Section 5 of draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.txt. Moreover, a router can dynamically *decide* whether to suppress ACKs for a particular LSA, depending on how frequently it receives a new instance of the LSA (with a larger sequence number). (This approach can be used with a CDS or with MPRs.) I would be interested if you (or anyone) can give a good reason why this is not a good approach. Actually, I think the reliable flooding mechanism described in Section 6 of my draft is a better (more efficient) approach, but it requires more changes to OSPF, and therefore might not be as acceptable to the OSPF WG. Richard >> The important issue in that particular case is getting the right >> flooding mechanism (MPR vs CDS, reliable vs unreliable). If we take a >> stance that we should not change message types unless absolutely >> necessary, then we are also disqualifying possibilities such as >> differential LSAs and modified LSRs (also suggested in the above draft). > Of course (as I agreed above) we are *not* taking the stance that > message types should be changed only when absolutely necessary. > But it is also important to distinguish between *required* features > (such as the new LSF message in your draft) and *optional* features > (such as the differential LSAs that I propose). Optional features > need not be implemented, in which case you have no change. But it is > nice to *have* the option, if it can be used in some situations to > significantly improve performance. (Sort of like icing on the cake.) > Richard >> Tom _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 14:22:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20714 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQCV-0007VJ-My for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJJMFoU028844 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQCV-0007V9-5L for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20706 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQCS-00053I-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQCQ-000537-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQCQ-000530-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQCI-0007Mh-9L; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQBv-0007Lz-2n for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20696 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQBs-00052U-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:36 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQBr-00052N-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:35 -0500 Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.64.48]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQBq-00052J-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:34 -0500 Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com ([129.172.13.4]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id LAA02888; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-02) with ESMTP id LAA29937; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id hBJJKRK14327; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-27.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.101]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:20:08 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:20:07 -0800 Message-ID: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C026B5FA9@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 Thread-Index: AcPGXiHIW3eTbdTtTNGgpPb7dLaGiAAAr/GQ From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Richard Ogier" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 19:20:08.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D4A7000:01C3C665] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ogier [mailto:ogier@erg.sri.com] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:28 AM > To: Henderson, Thomas R > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on > draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 >=20 >=20 > We can start this discussion now. If you want to achieve periodic > unreliable flooding of LSAs, all you have to do is suppress LSA ACKs, > as discussed in Section 5 of draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.txt. > Moreover, a router can dynamically *decide* whether to suppress > ACKs for a particular LSA, depending on how frequently it receives > a new instance of the LSA (with a larger sequence number). > (This approach can be used with a CDS or with MPRs.) > I would be interested if you (or anyone) can give a good reason > why this is not a good approach. =20 >=20 Richard, I like this basic concept of yours because it offers the potential=20 for hybrid operation without much complexity in the protocol mechanism. It also appears fairly robust to the case where=20 routers are making inconsistent decisions on whether to suppress ACKs-- retransmissions just keep occuring until the stingiest=20 neighbor decides to ACK. If we could allow nodes to suppress ACKs for a short time, it would allow them to logically coalesce ACKs of the same LSA received from many neighbors into a single=20 transmission. Further, it could perhaps be extended as Fred=20 Baker has previously suggested that reflooding of an LSA can=20 serve also as an implicit ACK to the upstream neighbor. The=20 main implementation cost seems to be to maintain and update=20 the moving average for each LSA. > Actually, I think the reliable flooding mechanism described in > Section 6 of my draft is a better (more efficient) approach, > but it requires more changes to OSPF, and therefore might not > be as acceptable to the OSPF WG. >=20 Agreed. It would be interesting to see how far one could get by adopting the Section 5 approach by itself.=20 Tom _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 14:22:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20729 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQCb-0007Vh-Gq for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:22 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJJMLHs028863 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQCb-0007VS-Bs for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20709 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQCT-00053N-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQCQ-000533-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQCQ-00052z-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQCG-0007MV-VR; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXQBg-0007Lo-Gy for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20691 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQBb-00052B-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQBZ-000524-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:19 -0500 Received: from web20023.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.225.29]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXQBY-00051v-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20031219192108.64456.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.69.5.223] by web20023.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:21:08 EST Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:21:08 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?minh=20tam?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1662397545-1071861668=:63540" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] Trace file Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-1662397545-1071861668=:63540 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2039558674-1071861668=:63540" --0-2039558674-1071861668=:63540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, I am a NS2 new user . I really confuse about the format of trace file. The attachment is the trace file after doing simulation of example wireless2.tcl( tutorial ) using AODV+ (http://www.telecom.lth.se/Personal/alexh/) I've checked with cmu-trace.cc but it doesn't match perfectly. Can anyone explain it to me? Thanks ! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! --0-2039558674-1071861668=:63540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear all,
 
I am a NS2 new user . I really confuse about the format of trace file.
The attachment is the trace file after doing simulation of example wireless2.tcl( tutorial ) using AODV+ (http://www.telecom.lth.se/Personal/alexh/)
I've checked with cmu-trace.cc but it doesn't match perfectly.
Can anyone explain it to me?
 
Thanks !
 
 


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FREE for a limited time! --0-2039558674-1071861668=:63540-- --0-1662397545-1071861668=:63540 Content-Type: text/plain; name="wireless2-out.tr" Content-Description: wireless2-out.tr Content-Disposition: inline; filename="wireless2-out.tr" M 0.0 nn 3 x 670 y 670 rp AODV M 0.0 sc ../mobility/scene/scen-3-test cp none seed 0.0 M 0.0 prop Propagation/TwoRayGround ant Antenna/OmniAntenna M 33.00000 4194305 (83.36, 239.44, 0.00), (89.66, 283.49), 19.15 M 50.00000 4194307 (591.26, 199.37, 0.00), (369.46, 170.52), 3.37 M 51.00000 4194306 (257.05, 345.36, 0.00), (221.83, 80.86), 14.91 s 160.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 0 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 r 160.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 160.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) r 160.001200806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) f 160.009192361 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) r 160.010252937 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) r 160.010253143 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) r 160.010253167 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) f 160.012598954 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) r 160.013759530 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) f 160.016641794 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) r 160.017582576 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) f 162.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) r 162.001060806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) f 162.009658083 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) r 162.010718659 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) r 162.010718865 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) r 162.010718890 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) f 162.011660048 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) r 162.012760623 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) f 162.018789151 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) r 162.019709932 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) s 166.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 1 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 r 166.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 1 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 166.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) r 166.001340806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) f 166.009961479 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) r 166.011262055 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) r 166.011262261 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) r 166.011262286 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) f 166.013674311 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) r 166.014874887 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) f 166.019773326 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) r 166.020814108 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) + 170 1 2 tcp 40 ------- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 2 - 170 1 2 tcp 40 ------- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 2 r 170.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ------- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 2 r 170.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 2 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 31 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 170.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 2 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 170.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) r 170.003116782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) f 171.500000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) r 171.501000806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) f 171.510463456 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) r 171.511564032 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) r 171.511564238 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) r 171.511564262 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) f 171.511672321 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) f 171.512148058 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) r 171.512913103 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) r 171.514628247 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) + 176 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 3 - 176 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 3 r 176.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 3 r 176.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 3 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 31 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 176.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 3 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 176.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) r 176.003116782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) s 178.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 4 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 r 178.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 4 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 179.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 0 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 179.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 1 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 179.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 4 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 + 188 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 5 - 188 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 5 r 188.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 5 r 188.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 5 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 31 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 188.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 5 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 188.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) r 188.002836782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) s 202.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 6 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 r 202.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 6 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 202.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) r 202.001220806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) f 202.005477679 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) r 202.006458255 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) r 202.006458461 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) r 202.006458486 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) f 202.008320398 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) r 202.009520973 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) f 202.014308332 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) r 202.015229113 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) f 204.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) r 204.001140806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) f 204.002054376 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) r 204.002994951 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) r 204.002995157 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) r 204.002995182 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) f 204.008324143 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) r 204.009324924 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) f 204.011646006 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) r 204.012806582 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) f 208.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) r 208.000960806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) f 208.009707269 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) r 208.010727845 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) r 208.010728051 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) r 208.010728076 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) f 208.014288637 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) r 208.015789418 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) f 208.018747964 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) r 208.020188540 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) + 212 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 7 - 212 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 7 r 212.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 7 r 212.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 7 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 31 0] [0 0] 0 0 D 212.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 7 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 212.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) r 212.003136782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) f 213.500000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) r 213.501240806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) f 213.501242552 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) r 213.502363128 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) r 213.502363333 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) r 213.502363358 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) f 213.509320026 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) r 213.510620601 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- [4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) f 213.511482725 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) r 213.512543507 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- [4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) D 221.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 6 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 0] [0 0] 0 0 s 250.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 8 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 r 250.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 8 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 0] [0 0] 0 0 f 250.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 9 [0 0] [4194305 20]] (REQUEST) --0-1662397545-1071861668=:63540-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 19:52:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06382 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 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Received: from che.ojctech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBK0pGIp002759 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:51:16 -0600 Received: (from dyoung@localhost) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBK0pGL2002757 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:51:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:51:16 -0600 From: David Young To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Rate adaptive 802.11 in ad hoc networks Message-ID: <20031220005116.GA30064@che.ojctech.com> Mail-Followup-To: manet@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.7 required=5.0 tests=THE_BEST_RATE autolearn=no version=2.60 On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:25:11PM +0100, Andreas Hafslund wrote: > I am interested in finding an old paper: > > "WaveLAN-II, a high performance wireless LAN for unlicensed band" > by Kamerman and Monteban. > > It is no available on the Internet. If anybody has this paper, I would > appriciate it if you can e-mail me the paper. I am also interested in > other papers describing rate adaptive 802.11 used in ad hoc networks. "Link Adaptation Strategy for IEEE 802.11 WLAN via Received Signal Strength Measurement" by Javier del Prado Pavon and Sunghyun Choi describes a rate adaptation algorithm which is predicted to out-perform the WaveLAN-II algorithm. If you put the title into Google, you will find a PDF. There is an algorithm loosely based on the Pavon & Choi algorithm in the NetBSD sources, . See especially net80211/ieee80211_rssadapt.c and the Lucent/Prism driver, dev/ic/wi.c. A more sophisticated algorithm, which is deemed especially suitable for 802.11a, is described in "Goodput Analysis and Link Adaptation for IEEE 802.11a Wireless LANs" by Daji Qiao, Sunghyun Choi, and Kang G. Shin. Dr. Choi has also produced a paper on power-level adaptation. It is hard to choose the best rate and fragment size to cope with interference from a microwave oven. I am only aware of this paper on the problem, . On a congested network with hidden nodes, it seems like a naive rate adaptation algorithm could actually worsen congestion. I have not found any paper on the topic. Does anyone know of one? New 802.11 chipsets (Atheros, ADMtek, Realtek) do not have a built-in rate-adaptation capability, but the adaptation is done by the device driver. An interesting senior project or master's project would be to program two or three rate adaptation algorithms for NetBSD's Atheros driver or for the ADMtek driver, and then to compare the performance of each. I offer my moral and technical support for such a student undertaking. Dave -- David Young OJC Technologies dyoung@ojctech.com Urbana, IL * (217) 278-3933 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 22:30:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09879 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXXnm-0007uW-OL for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBK3TEdV030402 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXXnm-0007uH-IV for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09826 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXXnj-00066g-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXXnh-00066W-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXXnh-00066T-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXXna-0007sy-1T; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXXmh-0007sO-9n for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:28:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09809 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXXme-00065H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:28:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXXmb-000655-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:28:03 -0500 Received: from cms4.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.14] helo=cms4.cms.etri.re.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXXmb-000644-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:28:01 -0500 Received: from jafywinxp (pd412h.etri.re.kr [129.254.112.174]) by cms4.cms.etri.re.kr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id ZFK0LB1Q; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:30:59 +0900 Reply-To: From: "HyunWook Cha" To: "'Pekka P?kk?en'" , Cc: "autonet" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:27:27 +0900 Message-ID: <000001c3c6a9$312ab140$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031216082217.00c37420@elemail.ele.vtt.fi> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Comments on the draft-paakkonen-addressing-htr-manet-00.txt Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, paakkonnen. I read your draft with much interest. And I am glad to share my idea about the Internet connectivity for MANETs.=20 I have several comments as follow.=20 5.2. Global connectivity & Appendix B: Global connectivy via next-hop routing I agree that recursive lookups of kernel routing table is impossible in some OS including LINUX(Mayby configuration itself may not be allowed). However, your solution for this problem is not perfect. In figure 6, as a result of prefix discovery, AODV-node has 3 rt entries: AR-> Int.node, ::/0 -> Int.node, Int.node->eth0. As you can see, the node maintains rt entries for default route and actual gateway independently. So, it is possible that only host route for the gateway can be updated through RREP which was sent to reply RREQ from other node so that next hop of the rt entry for the gateway is differnt from that of the rt entry for default route. -> route inconsistency between default route and actual gateway. This issue can cause that path to the gateway via default route may fail while the path to the gateway via host route is still valid. At this moment, you can not swith next hop of default route to that of host route for the gateway because you can not guarantee that the next hop of host route have default route entry. IMO, we can not force only next hop routing(fowarding) in on-demand routing protocols by this reason. In other words, some complementary processing is need. Next issue is about consideration of multiple gateways. Your idea does not work in this situation since intermediate nodes can choose different gatways for default routes from sender node. This can lead the ingress filtering.=20 Well, I think that the use of routing header which is preferred to next hop forwarding in R.Wakikawa's I-D is one solution. Because we do not have to concern frequent inconsistent route information for default route and actual gateway as well as ingress filtering. Also, all intermediate nodes do not need to have default route entry, and only sender node does. IMO, kernel routing table issue can be avoided if routing header can be inserted and pre-processing in which dst ip in IPv6 is swapped with gateway ip in routing header can be done in LOCAL_IN netfilter hooking point. (the feasibility is not sure, any comments?).=20 In addition, I want to suggest source prefix(address) based default routing(forwarding). Please refer to the discusstion with Richard Ogier. http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/manet/current/msg02799. html. With this approach, ingress filtering can be avoided in natural manner. However, route inconsistency issue should be resolved because default rt entry is not needed and host rt enry in intermediate nodes can be updated irrespective of gatway discovery of sender node. In my scheme, tunneling and routing header are used to forward packets after this route inconsistence occurred. And, for fast recovery, unicast GW_SOL message is forwarded along host route for the gateway and the route inconsistency issue can be fixed by GW_ADV replied from the gateway. When this procedure is done succefully, routing header and tunneling are not used any more. I know that a lot of issue exist in this scheme.: Implementation, additional processing overhead, determination of which should be used among host route and default route to forward a packet. I have ns-2 implementation of this approach and the plan to write a I-D in near future. Any comments? 5.3 Global vs. site-local addresses & 6.1 AODV communication algorithm According your algorithm, it is not allowed for manet nodes with different global prefixes from different ARs to communicate each other directly although they are reachable in a MANET. In further, it is not allowed a manet node to communicate with a IPv6/MIPv6-node directly when HoA of the IPv6/MIPv6-node is involved in this communiation even though they are also reachable. Is this desirable? I do not think so. My suggestion is as follows.=20 1. If (dest is a site-local addres) execute route discovery.=20 2. if (prefix of dest is global) send packets via the default router in parallel with the excution of route discovery. IMO, destination ip does not give sufficient hint to distinguish whether dest node resides in the MANET or not. IPv6-node with same prefix as sender node can not reply RREQ though it is reachable in the MANET. Also, HoA of a IPv6/MIPv6-node can be reachable in the MANET.=20 In order to implement this scheme, rt entry for AODV is managed in four states: 1. NoHints - may be reachable in local MANET or outside the MANET. To do - send packets via the default router in parallel with the excution of route discovery. 2. ValidHostRoute - a node has valid host route. To do - send packets via host route.=20 3. NotValidHostRoute - a node has invalid host route. To do - execute route discovery. packets are enqueued. 4. InternetNode - a node consider dest as an Internet node outside the MANET. To do - send packets via the default router. For a given communication with destination with global ip, state transitions can be different according scenarios. 1->2 : the success of route discovery=20 1->4 : ttl used for route discovery is above threshold or on receiving a packet from the destination.(I assume that the packet should be replied to a packet sent by sender) (2->)3->2 : normal case (2->)3->4 : ttl used for route discovery is above threshold 2 or 3 or 4 -> 1 : timer expired. I welcome any comments. As I said above, I will write up my I-D including source address based forwarding and above algorithm. Since any noticeable consensus for this issue does not exist in MANET wg, I think that we had better converge different approaches and analyze to give valuable information for further design. Are there any room to share research results and achieve improvements in this subject between us?=20 Regards, HyunWook Cha > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Pekka P?kk?en > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:39 PM > To: manet@ietf.org; nemo@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] draft submission >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I have submitted an individual draft, which focuses on IPv6=20 > addressing in a heterogeneous MANET-network. Any comments on=20 > the subject are welcome. >=20 > Pekka P=E4=E4kk=F6nen >=20 > draft URL:=20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-paakkonen-addressing-htr-manet -00.txt =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 21 23:48:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18940 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYHzX-0007MJ-CE for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBM4mRjG028283 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYHzX-0007M6-44 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18907 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYHzP-0005Dr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYHyy-0005DH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:47:54 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYHyy-0005C6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:47:52 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYHyB-0007Fy-P7; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:47:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYHxM-0007FG-Hn for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:46:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18843 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYHxF-000592-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:46:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYHwp-00058a-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:45:40 -0500 Received: from 162.161-136-217.adsl.skynet.be ([217.136.161.162] helo=nemo) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYHwp-00058N-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:45:39 -0500 Received: by nemo (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 713E1C7C85; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:08:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:08:16 +0100 From: Antony Lesuisse To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: <20031222050816.GA8994@udev.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: [manet] New ad-hoc network simulator and AODV implementation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 I'm working on yet another implementation of AODV (IPv6-only). I developped a simple ad-hoc network simulator that use virtual UNIX ethernet cards (TUN/TAP). It allow me to test my implementation, but more interrestingly, it can be used to test real unix software on the virtual ad-hoc network. One other possiblity could be to have a hybrid network semi-virtual semi-real (imagine 5 real laptops and 100 virtual nodes). Both software are written in python (100% userspace then). But i will need a small C helper for AODV, getting the TTL and sniffing is not possible in standard python. Warning: the simulator works well, but the aodv implementation is far from complete, and both lack documentation, but everything in written in python, so it should be quite easy to understand. More info: http://airnet.org/ (screenshot and source availaible) -- Antony Lesuisse GPG EA2CCD66: 4B7F 6061 3DF5 F07A ACFF F127 6487 54F7 EA2C CD66 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 22 04:11:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA08164 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYM5u-00019J-7L for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBM9BIQ8004414 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYM5t-000197-SI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA08155 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYM5r-0003A6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYM5p-00039u-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYM5p-00039r-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYM5g-00017a-Cs; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:11:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYM5O-00016q-1Z for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA08142 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYM5L-00039S-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYM5K-00039L-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 Received: from mail.ic.sunysb.edu ([129.49.1.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYM5K-00039I-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:42 -0500 Received: from postal.ic.sunysb.edu (mail [129.49.1.4]) by mail.ic.sunysb.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBM9AeLI024472 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.ic.sunysb.edu ([129.49.1.24]) by postal.ic.sunysb.edu (SAVSMTP 3.1.1.32) with SMTP id M2003122204104319771 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 Received: from ic.sunysb.edu (postal [129.49.1.24]) by smtp.ic.sunysb.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBM9AhRM024483 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Mahesh Marina" Reply-to: mahesh@cs.sunysb.edu To: manet@ietf.org X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.0t, http://netwinsite.com/refw.htm Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:43 -0500 Message-id: <3fe6b513.5fa1.7762@ic.sunysb.edu> Subject: [manet] Re: manet digest, Vol 1 #671 - 7 msgs Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.60 Michael, You might find our paper which appeared in last year's mobihoc useful. Routing Performance in the Presence of Unidirectional Links in Multihop Wireless Networks Mahesh Marina and Samir Das Proceedings of ACM International Symposium on Mobile Ad Hoc Networking (MobiHoc) June 2002 Mahesh > > Message: 7 > From: "Michael Voorhaen" > To: > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:56:26 +0100 > Subject: [manet] DSR unidirectional links > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C555.98D36A30 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Hi,=20 > > Recently I've been looking into the use of unidirectional links in = > MANETs, > and am trying to figure if they can be used as an advantage. Naturally > I turned myself to DSR, since the draft says it supports > unidirectional = links > and there is already a lot of code available that I can work with. > Implementing the RREP being piggybacked on a RREQ was not that = > difficult. > But implementing Route Maintenance is trickier, and I am starting to = > think > that this is the reason why very little effort is being made about = > research > into unidirectional links. As the draft describes you can use link = > layer, > passive and network layer acks. The first two are not feasible in this > = case. > So we would have to use network layer acks. However these acks might = > need to > return over an entirely different route to the previous hop and that = > route > needs to be found and maintained. It seems to me that there are many > disadvantages to this approach, and that it will be difficult to > quickly notice a link failure. > > Does anybody know of any other work directed at these problems? > > Regards, > Michael Voorhaen > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Michael Voorhaen > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Phd Student > Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Sciences > PATS (Performance Analysis of Telecommunication Systems) > University of Antwerp > Middelheimlaan 1 > 2020 Antwerpen, Belgium > G1.11 > Phone: 03/2653905 > Mail: michael.voorhaen@ua.ac.be > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C555.98D36A30 > Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; 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Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:30:21 -0500 Received: from coventry.ac.uk (qg29-5.dhcp.coventry.ac.uk [194.66.47.34]) by smtp2.coventry.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBMEThrM012237 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:29:43 GMT Message-ID: <3FE6FFD6.298968AD@coventry.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:29:42 +0000 From: Mohamed Abdalla Organization: Coventry University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AE0D243278164F56BB93A0CC" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean(SMTP2.COVENTRY.AC.UK) Subject: [manet] How to get the chart (plot)of BER and throughput in VT? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AE0D243278164F56BB93A0CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all How to get the chart (plot)of BER and throughput in VT in order to compare between rooting protocols. Any help highly appreciate Thanks Mohamd --------------AE0D243278164F56BB93A0CC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="CEY198.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Mohamed Abdalla Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CEY198.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Abdalla;Mohamed x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Coventry University;Information & Communication Technology, School of Engineering adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:m.abdalla@coventry.ac.uk title:PhD Researcher fn:Mohamed Abdalla end:vcard --------------AE0D243278164F56BB93A0CC-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 23 01:07:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26810 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYfh6-0008KG-1Z for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:07:00 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBN670BD032000 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:07:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYfh5-0008K0-RN for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:06:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26788 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYfh2-0001Ky-01 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:06:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYfdX-0001HO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:03:20 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYfdX-0001HL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:03:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYfdF-00080U-T0; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYfd2-000807-HZ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:02:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26673 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYfcz-0001FP-01 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:02:45 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYfcs-0001FC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:02:39 -0500 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYfcs-0001F9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:02:38 -0500 Received: from user-2ivfmi1.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.218.65] helo=erg.sri.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AYfcq-0004w2-00; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:02:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE7DA62.2080009@erg.sri.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:02:10 -0800 From: Richard Ogier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henderson, Thomas R" CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comment on draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00 References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C026B5FA9@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Please see my comments below. Henderson, Thomas R wrote: >>We can start this discussion now. If you want to achieve periodic >>unreliable flooding of LSAs, all you have to do is suppress LSA ACKs, >>as discussed in Section 5 of draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.txt. >>Moreover, a router can dynamically *decide* whether to suppress >>ACKs for a particular LSA, depending on how frequently it receives >>a new instance of the LSA (with a larger sequence number). >>(This approach can be used with a CDS or with MPRs.) >>I would be interested if you (or anyone) can give a good reason >>why this is not a good approach. > >Richard, >I like this basic concept of yours because it offers the potential >for hybrid operation without much complexity in the protocol >mechanism. It also appears fairly robust to the case where >routers are making inconsistent decisions on whether to suppress >ACKs-- retransmissions just keep occuring until the stingiest Good point. The only requirement for correctness is that a router should not send an ACK for an LSA instance that it did not receive :-) >neighbor decides to ACK. If we could allow nodes to suppress >ACKs for a short time, it would allow them to logically coalesce >ACKs of the same LSA received from many neighbors into a single Right. OSPF allows LSA ACKs to be delayed, and the technique of grouping several LSA ACKs into a single packet is mentioned in Section 13.5 of RFC 2328, so this would not require an extension to the standard, but perhaps a recommendation should be added that this technique SHOULD be used on manet interfaces. >transmission. Further, it could perhaps be extended as Fred >Baker has previously suggested that reflooding of an LSA can >serve also as an implicit ACK to the upstream neighbor. The RFC 2328 also allows implicit ACKs, so this also would not require an extension. But there is still the question of whether implicit ACKs should be used on manet interfaces. It probably wouldn't hurt, but it wouldn't help much either, since only a small percentage of nodes will forward LSAs (e.g., CDS nodes or MPRs). >main implementation cost seems to be to maintain and update >the moving average for each LSA. I think this cost is negligible, since each LSA must be processed anyway (and updating a moving average requires only a few additions and multiplications). It would be interesting to determine the best values for the smoothing constant, hysteresis thresholds (for deciding whether to suppress ACKs), and the ACK delay when ACKs are not suppressed. >>Actually, I think the reliable flooding mechanism described in >>Section 6 of my draft is a better (more efficient) approach, >>but it requires more changes to OSPF, and therefore might not >>be as acceptable to the OSPF WG. >Agreed. It would be interesting to see how far one could get >by adopting the Section 5 approach by itself. I agree. But if reliable flooding is used, there still needs to be a database exchange between adjacent neighbors. As discussed in my draft this exchange could occur between each CDS node and each of its neighbors. I suppose this could also be done between each MPR and each of its neighbors, but this is not as straightforward since each MPR is reponsible for relaying only a subset of LSAs (which must somehow be defined). So, to minimize the changes/additions to OSPF, the CDS approach seems to be the best approach. Richard > >Tom > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 23 02:50:05 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11758 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYhIK-0004l9-Ek for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:49:37 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBN7nWMJ018280 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:49:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYhIJ-0004kg-Hc for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:49:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11709 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYhIF-0003L2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:49:27 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYhFV-0003OK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:46:37 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYhFU-0003Nj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:46:36 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYhEx-0004Os-Uz; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:46:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYhEc-0004O0-TP for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:45:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11624 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: jjinfo@nudt.edu.cn Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYhEU-0003L2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:45:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYhDq-0003Mj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:44:55 -0500 Received: from [61.187.56.12] (helo=ds20.nudt.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYhDm-0003MW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:44:54 -0500 Received: by ds20.nudt.edu.cn (Postfix, from userid 506) id 839FA5A378; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:52:01 +0800 (HKT) To: manet@ietf.org Reply-To: jjinfo@nudt.edu.cn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YH WebMail Program Version 1.5 X-Originating-IP: 61.187.56.10 Message-Id: <20031223075201.839FA5A378@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:52:01 +0800 (HKT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] =?gb2312?B?YWJvdXQgdGhlIGdvb2QgcGF0aCBtb2RlbCBpbiBNQU5FVA==?= Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I am doing some work on the selfishness of nodes in ad hoc network. I need to model a good path which includes only non- selfish node. if the packet delivery behavior of a path pcan be modeled through a random variable R(p),we define R(p) = 1; if p correctly de;ivers the data pkt to dest; R(p) = 0; otherwise we know that there many reasons causing the failure of pkt delivery.such as wireless random loss, content loss or congestoin loss. My question is ,can we say that in lightly loaded network scenario ,where wireless random loss dominates the pkt loss,the above random varialbe R(p) follows the Bernoulli distribution? 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Ilya Zaihrayeu Universita` di Trento, Italy * Registration Chair Robin Kravets Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, U.S.A. * Demo Chair Yannis Labrou Fujitsu Labs of America, U.S.A. * Local Arrangements Chair Prithwish Basu BBN Technologies, U.S.A. * Publication Chair Roger Whitaker Cardiff University, U.K. -- Stefano Basagni, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Computer Engineering Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering 312 Dana Research Center Northeastern University 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 Tel. 617 373 3061, Fax 617 373 8970 E-mail: basagni@ece.neu.edu *** http://www.ece.neu.edu/faculty/basagni/ *** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 23 09:55:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22101 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYnwS-00025E-0x for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:55:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBNEtOvm008007 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:55:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYnwR-000254-S9 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:55:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22029 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYnwP-0000nk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:55:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYngk-0000Aq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:39:16 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYngj-0000Ai-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:39:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYngc-0001SJ-81; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:39:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYngU-0001RU-MN for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:38:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21467 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: jomullen@nmsu.edu Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYngS-00005k-02 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:38:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYnfT-00004a-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:37:51 -0500 Received: from cheech.nmsu.edu ([128.123.34.14]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYnfS-00004P-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:37:51 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by cheech.nmsu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBNEbXi01448; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:37:33 -0700 Received: from 216.234.193.198 ( [216.234.193.198]) as user jomullen@chong.nmsu.edu by webmail.nmsu.edu with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:37:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1072190253.3fe8532dd75fc@webmail.nmsu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:37:33 -0700 To: jjinfo@nudt.edu.cn Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] about the good path model in MANET References: <20031223075201.839FA5A378@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> In-Reply-To: <20031223075201.839FA5A378@ds20.nudt.edu.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.234.193.198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, The Bernoulli distribution requires that 1) there be exactly two possible outcomes, 2) successive values be independent, and 3) the probability of success be constant. Clearly, condition 1) is satisfied. Whether or not 2) is satisfied depends on the assumptions you are willing to make about the RF environment. For example, some types of interference and noise events can disrupt more than one packet in succession. However, independence is often assumed. The real problem is 3). Because we are talking of a mobile network, it can safely be assumed that the probability of success will not be constant. I think, instead, what you want to do is model the probability of reception as a random process which is indexed on, at least, distance. This would give you more realistic results. John Mullen Quoting jjinfo@nudt.edu.cn: > Hi all, > I am doing some work on the selfishness of nodes in ad > hoc network. > I need to model a good path which includes only non- > selfish node. > if the packet delivery behavior of a path pcan be > modeled through a random variable R(p),we define > R(p) = 1; if p correctly de;ivers the data pkt to dest; > R(p) = 0; otherwise > > we know that there many reasons causing the failure of > pkt delivery.such as wireless random loss, content loss > or congestoin loss. > My question is ,can we say that in lightly loaded > network scenario ,where wireless random loss dominates > the pkt loss,the above random varialbe R(p) follows the > Bernoulli distribution? > How about the model in heavily loaded scenario? > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 24 00:28:19 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA28560 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ1Ym-0000NI-3K for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:27:52 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBO5RqW0001436 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:27:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ1Yl-0000N5-Uf for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:27:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA28526 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ1Yj-00077w-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:27:49 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ1Ww-00073N-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:26:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ1VD-0006yW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:24:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ1V3-0008Vn-PD; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ1Ul-0008VI-Sf for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:23:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA28265 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ1Uj-0006tW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:23:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ1Sn-0006ni-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:21:42 -0500 Received: from law15-f115.law15.hotmail.com ([64.4.23.115] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ1Qv-0006ea-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:19:45 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:19:15 -0800 Received: from 203.129.220.115 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:19:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.129.220.115] X-Originating-Email: [karun8880@hotmail.com] X-Sender: karun8880@hotmail.com From: "Karun Verma" To: manet@ietf.org, minhtam_nu@yahoo.com.au Subject: RE: [manet] Trace file Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:49:15 +0530 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2003 05:19:15.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[796F7990:01C3C9DD] Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Check the 16th chapter "Mobile Ad-hoc Networks in NS2" in the network simulator documentation available on net@ http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-documentation.html the whole trace format is mentioned in it. Bye Take care, >Dear all, > >I am a NS2 new user . I really confuse about the format of trace file. >The attachment is the trace file after doing simulation of example >wireless2.tcl( tutorial ) using AODV+ >(http://www.telecom.lth.se/Personal/alexh/) >I've checked with cmu-trace.cc but it doesn't match perfectly. >Can anyone explain it to me? > >Thanks ! > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Personals >- New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! >M 0.0 nn 3 x 670 y 670 rp AODV >M 0.0 sc ../mobility/scene/scen-3-test cp none seed 0.0 >M 0.0 prop Propagation/TwoRayGround ant Antenna/OmniAntenna >M 33.00000 4194305 (83.36, 239.44, 0.00), (89.66, 283.49), 19.15 >M 50.00000 4194307 (591.26, 199.37, 0.00), (369.46, 170.52), 3.37 >M 51.00000 4194306 (257.05, 345.36, 0.00), (221.83, 80.86), 14.91 >s 160.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 0 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >r 160.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 160.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >r 160.001200806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >f 160.009192361 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >r 160.010252937 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >r 160.010253143 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >r 160.010253167 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >f 160.012598954 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >r 160.013759530 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >f 160.016641794 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >r 160.017582576 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 1 [0 0] [4194305 4]] (REQUEST) >f 162.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >r 162.001060806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >f 162.009658083 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >r 162.010718659 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >r 162.010718865 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >r 162.010718890 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >f 162.011660048 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >r 162.012760623 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >f 162.018789151 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >r 162.019709932 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 2 [0 0] [4194305 6]] (REQUEST) >s 166.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 1 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >r 166.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 1 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 166.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >r 166.001340806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >f 166.009961479 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >r 166.011262055 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >r 166.011262261 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >r 166.011262286 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >f 166.013674311 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >r 166.014874887 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >f 166.019773326 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >r 166.020814108 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 3 [0 0] [4194305 8]] (REQUEST) >+ 170 1 2 tcp 40 ------- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 2 >- 170 1 2 tcp 40 ------- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 2 >r 170.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ------- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 2 >r 170.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 2 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >31 0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 170.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 2 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >30 0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 170.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 >-1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >r 170.003116782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >f 171.500000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >r 171.501000806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >f 171.510463456 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >r 171.511564032 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >r 171.511564238 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >r 171.511564262 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >f 171.511672321 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >f 171.512148058 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >r 171.512913103 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >r 171.514628247 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 4 [0 0] [4194305 10]] (REQUEST) >+ 176 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 3 >- 176 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 3 >r 176.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 3 >r 176.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 3 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >31 0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 176.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 3 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >30 0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 176.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 >-1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >r 176.003116782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >s 178.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 4 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >r 178.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 4 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 179.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 0 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 179.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 1 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 179.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 4 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >+ 188 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 5 >- 188 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 5 >r 188.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 5 >r 188.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 5 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >31 0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 188.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 5 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >30 0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 188.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 >-1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >r 188.002836782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >s 202.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 6 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >r 202.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 6 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 202.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >r 202.001220806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >f 202.005477679 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >r 202.006458255 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >r 202.006458461 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >r 202.006458486 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >f 202.008320398 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >r 202.009520973 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >f 202.014308332 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >r 202.015229113 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 5 [0 0] [4194305 12]] (REQUEST) >f 204.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >r 204.001140806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >f 204.002054376 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >r 204.002994951 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >r 204.002995157 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >r 204.002995182 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >f 204.008324143 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >r 204.009324924 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >f 204.011646006 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >r 204.012806582 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 6 [0 0] [4194305 14]] (REQUEST) >f 208.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >r 208.000960806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >f 208.009707269 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >r 208.010727845 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >r 208.010728051 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >r 208.010728076 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >f 208.014288637 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >r 208.015789418 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >f 208.018747964 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >r 208.020188540 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 7 [0 0] [4194305 16]] (REQUEST) >+ 212 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 7 >- 212 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 7 >r 212.002064 1 2 tcp 40 ---A--- 2 0.1.0.0 1.0.3.0 0 7 >r 212.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 7 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >31 0] [0 0] 0 0 >D 212.002064000 _2_ RTR NRTE 7 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [2048:0 4194307:0 >30 0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 212.002064000 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194304:255 >-1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >r 212.003136782 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 32 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 1 0] [0x8 1 [4194307 0] 0.000000] (ERROR) >f 213.500000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >r 213.501240806 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194305:255 -1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >f 213.501242552 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 1 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >r 213.502363128 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >r 213.502363333 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >r 213.502363358 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194306:255 -1:255 29 0] [0x2 2 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >f 213.509320026 _5_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >r 213.510620601 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 3 800] ------- >[4194307:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >f 213.511482725 _2_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 2 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >r 213.512543507 _4_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 ffffffff 0 800] ------- >[4194304:255 -1:255 28 0] [0x2 3 8 [0 0] [4194305 18]] (REQUEST) >D 221.000000000 _3_ RTR NRTE 6 tcp 60 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 30 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >s 250.000000000 _3_ AGT --- 8 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >r 250.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 8 tcp 40 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:0 0:0 32 >0] [0 0] 0 0 >f 250.000000000 _3_ RTR --- 0 AODV 48 [0 0 0 0] ------- [4194305:255 >-1:255 30 0] [0x2 1 9 [0 0] [4194305 20]] (REQUEST) ############################################ # Karun Verma # ########################################### _________________________________________________________________ Get a job today. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/39622.asp Post your CV on naukri.com today. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 24 06:18:18 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04422 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ71T-0006ut-9J for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:17:51 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBOBHpa3026583 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:17:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ71T-0006ug-5z for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:17:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04287 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZ71P-00035E-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:17:47 -0500 Received: from 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Mail AddressGuard --0-1343492539-1072264171=:62134-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 28 00:07:56 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09607 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AaT9C-0001Bw-HA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:07:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBS57QPf004577 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:07:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AaT9C-0001Bc-0n for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:07:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09583 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AaT99-0002Ak-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:07:23 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AaT7F-00027v-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:05:26 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AaT6B-00025u-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:04:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AaT5v-0000ed-C7; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:04:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AaT5I-0000ds-9R for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:03:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09510 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AaT5G-00024v-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:03:22 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AaT3T-00023F-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:01:31 -0500 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AaT38-0001ye-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:01:12 -0500 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:08:51 +0800 X-EYOU-ORIGINAL-IP: 10.13.72.25 X-EYOU-ENVELOPE-MAILFROM: shzju@eyou.com Received: from unknown (HELO kelvin) (unknown@10.13.72.25) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:08:51 +0800 From: "Hang Su" To: "manet@ietf.org" X-mailer: Foxmail 4.2 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:4:17 +0800 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Aboute the reserved subtype field in IEEE 802.11 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all, I have recently read the IEEE 802.11 standard(1999 Edition). There are 9 reserved subtypes (0000-1001) in control type filed (01). What are the reserved subtypes reserved for? Are they useful in the actual implementation yet? Any hints is appreciated. hanks in advance. Hang Su, _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 29 06:36:19 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25149 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aavgf-0007Yz-41 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:35:53 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBTBZrfr029069 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:35:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aavge-0007Ym-Vw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:35:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25052 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AavgZ-00035T-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:35:47 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Aaved-0002zu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:33:47 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aavco-0002x7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:31:54 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aavbz-0007FS-63; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:31:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aavb4-0007DA-Ng for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:30:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24820 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aavb0-0002tj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:30:02 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AavYz-0002qK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:27:58 -0500 Received: from web41212.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.45]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AavY6-0002nk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:27:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20031229112633.40678.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.145.156.130] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:26:33 PST Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: Anand To: manet@ietf.org Cc: ashokan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] Request-Help Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DEAR_SOMETHING autolearn=no version=2.60 Dear Sirs, I am Anand doing my MTech in India, i am doing my project in Security issues in Ad hoc networks, and trying to implement the SAODV protocol using Glomosim as a simulator. 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 29 13:04:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06613 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1kN-0002r1-41 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:04:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBTI47fp010965 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:04:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1kM-0002qm-U3 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:04:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06577 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1kL-0006Sm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:04:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1ic-0006OV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:02:19 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1hX-0006Jb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1hO-0002XN-4p; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1gY-0002S0-Ib for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:00:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06369 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1gW-0006Hh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:00:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1fV-0006Di-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:59:05 -0500 Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu ([128.119.91.94]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1e1-00066L-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:57:33 -0500 Received: from xq (v90-res-234-9.dialup.umass.edu [128.119.234.9]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBTHaeC7026726 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:36:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003f01c3ce32$51636160$09ea7780@xq> From: "qi xue" To: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact ECS (5-1580, postmaster@ecs.umass.edu) for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact ECS (5-1580, postmaster@ecs.umass.edu) for details Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Energy consumption model for 802.11a Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, Is there any energy consumption models/measurements in the literature for 802.11a? The existing ones are about 802.11 with data rate of 2Mb/s, such as [Feeney, 2001] - Investigating the Energy Consumption of a Wireless Network Interface in an Ad Hoc Networking Environment I assume there could be a big difference between 802.11 and 802.11a. Can anyone point me to more up-to-date results? Thanks and happy new year! Qi Xue _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 29 22:17:03 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA25615 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbAMw-0004HL-VZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:16:36 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBU3GUAd016444 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:16:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbAMw-0004H9-Q0 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:16:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA25583 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbAMt-00057E-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:16:27 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AbALH-00050D-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:14:47 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbAJh-0004tN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:13:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbAJa-0003xY-G3; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbAJ8-0003uK-Km for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA25410 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbAJ5-0004rp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:31 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AbAHT-0004mc-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:10:51 -0500 Received: from [61.187.56.10] (helo=ksg.nudt.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbAG0-0004eG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:09:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ksg.nudt.edu.cn (CA-JinChen ISG) with SMTP id AD5CCA9F0 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:08:54 +0800 (CST) X-KILLShieldGateway-Checked: Tue Dec 30 11:08:54 2003 Received: from gnufree (unknown [172.26.20.200]) by ksg.nudt.edu.cn (CA-JinChen ISG) with SMTP id 68D3BA9BE for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:08:52 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <00d001c3ce82$97581b70$c8141aac@gnufree> Reply-To: "jjinfo" From: "jjinfo" Cc: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:11:16 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [manet] about the routing security research in MANET and its future direction Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi all, I am doing my Ph.D research on routing security in MANET. After reading lots of paper related, I find two research diretions: 1.the cooperation enforcement in open MANET 2. the secure routing agaist malicious node in managed MANET,such as battlefield application. For the first topic,there have been many methods, like encentive, detection and isolation.and maybe Game theory is a good choice. For the latter, security protocol and cryptography operation are needed.so the core work should be key management,which there have been lots of work on. and in recent IEEE/ACM conference/proceedings, few papers on this topic can be found. why? Is this field still worth researching? and what's the future direction in this field? Is anybody doing the same topic? then how about your woek now? any advice is welcom! _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 31 03:27:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00445 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Abbgl-0004IK-BK for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:26:56 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBV8QlVH016509 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:26:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Abbgk-0004F8-M3 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:26:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00429 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Abbgd-0006pm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:26:39 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Abbem-0006nD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:24:45 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbbdY-0006kh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:23:28 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbbdB-0003wF-5m; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:23:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Abbcl-0003vB-Bq for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:22:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00380 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Abbci-0006jW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:22:36 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Abbar-0006iG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:20:43 -0500 Received: from melanieb.vtt.fi ([130.188.1.12]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbbaA-0006g3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:19:59 -0500 Received: from elemail.ele.vtt.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by melanieb.vtt.fi (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBV8IHKi022775; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:17 +0200 (EET) Received: from oulkv10326.vtt.fi (ele4114.ele.vtt.fi [130.188.94.114]) by elemail.ele.vtt.fi (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28378; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:19:16 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20031231084151.00c3b9f0@elemail.ele.vtt.fi> X-Sender: eleppa@elemail.ele.vtt.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:19:14 +0200 To: , From: Pekka =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pääkkönen?= Cc: "autonet" In-Reply-To: <000001c3c6a9$312ab140$ae70fe81@jafywinxp> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031216082217.00c37420@elemail.ele.vtt.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Subject: [manet] Re: Comments on the draft-paakkonen-addressing-htr-manet-00.txt Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:27 20.12.2003 +0900, HyunWook Cha wrote: >Hello, paakkonnen. >I read your draft with much interest. And I am glad to share my idea >about the Internet connectivity for MANETs. >I have several comments as follow. Thanks for the comments. >5.2. Global connectivity & Appendix B: Global connectivy via next-hop >routing >I agree that recursive lookups of kernel routing table is impossible in >some OS including LINUX(Mayby configuration itself may not be allowed). >However, your solution for this problem is not perfect. In figure 6, as >a result of prefix discovery, AODV-node has 3 rt entries: AR-> Int.node, >::/0 -> Int.node, Int.node->eth0. As you can see, the node maintains rt >entries for default route and actual gateway independently. So, it is >possible that only host route for the gateway can be updated through >RREP which was sent to reply RREQ from other node so that next hop of >the rt entry for the gateway is differnt from that of the rt entry for >default route. -> route inconsistency between default route and actual >gateway. This issue can cause that path to the gateway via default route >may fail while the path to the gateway via host route is still valid. At >this moment, you can not swith next hop of default route to that of host >route for the gateway because you can not guarantee that the next hop of >host route have default route entry. IMO, we can not force only next hop >routing(fowarding) in on-demand routing protocols by this reason. In >other words, some complementary processing is need. Let me try to understand how the entries become inconsistent: Once the MANET-node has performed the global connectivity procedures the routing tables are configured as in figure 6. The AODV-node maintains=20 reachability to the gateway with periodic updates (RREQ, RREP) and keeps the entries for the default gateway and AR based on the updates. If some other node such as AODV-node2 executes route discovery for AR via the intermediate node, the=20 intermediate node could update a different next-hop for the AR than already exists for=20 the default route, right? (AR-> next-hop2; ::/0 -> next-hop1) When the periodic updates would again be performed by the AODV-node, the=20 entries for the AR and default router at the intermediate nodes would be updated. >Next issue is about consideration of multiple gateways. Your idea does >not work in this situation since intermediate nodes can choose different >gatways for default routes from sender node. This can lead the ingress >filtering. True. It should also be taken into account. >Well, I think that the use of routing header which is preferred to next >hop forwarding in R.Wakikawa's I-D is one solution. Because we do not >have to concern frequent inconsistent route information for default >route and actual gateway as well as ingress filtering. Also, all >intermediate nodes do not need to have default route entry, and only >sender node does. IMO, kernel routing table issue can be avoided if >routing header can be inserted and pre-processing in which dst ip in >IPv6 is swapped with gateway ip in routing header can be done in >LOCAL_IN netfilter hooking point. (the feasibility is not sure, any >comments?). This is the other choise of global communication. It has routing header overhead in the form of additional processing and space in every IPv6 packet? Doesn't the source have to know in this case whether or not the destination is in the MANET or not? If not, insert a routing header. Otherwise send the packet normally. Could failure in route discovery provide this information? I haven't tested this alternative. >In addition, I want to suggest source prefix(address) based default >routing(forwarding). Please refer to the discusstion with Richard Ogier. >http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/manet/current/msg02799. >html. With this approach, ingress filtering can be avoided in natural >manner. However, route inconsistency issue should be resolved because >default rt entry is not needed and host rt enry in intermediate nodes >can be updated irrespective of gatway discovery of sender node. In my >scheme, tunneling and routing header are used to forward packets after >this route inconsistence occurred. And, for fast recovery, unicast >GW_SOL message is forwarded along host route for the gateway and the >route inconsistency issue can be fixed by GW_ADV replied from the >gateway. When this procedure is done succefully, routing header and >tunneling are not used any more. I know that a lot of issue exist in >this scheme.: Implementation, additional processing overhead, >determination of which should be used among host route and default route >to forward a packet. I have ns-2 implementation of this approach and the >plan to write a I-D in near future. Any comments? So the benefit of using the source address based routing is support for ingress filtering. I guess the intermediate nodes would perform ingress filtering in the form of source based routing (if no gateway prefix matches the source prefix =3D> discard packet?)? Would this solution support also multiple gateways? How do the intermediate nodes maintain the gateway information, based on which source based routing is performed? Please go ahead and write a more detailed draft. It is easier to give=20 comments based on it. >5.3 Global vs. site-local addresses & 6.1 AODV communication algorithm > >According your algorithm, it is not allowed for manet nodes with >different global prefixes from different ARs to communicate each other >directly although they are reachable in a MANET. True. Packets between nodes in different MANETs would flow via the ARs if=20 global addresses are used. But site-local addresses could be used for direct=20 communication if the MANETs overlap. >In further, it is not >allowed a manet node to communicate with a IPv6/MIPv6-node directly when >HoA of the IPv6/MIPv6-node is involved in this communiation even though >they are also reachable. Is this desirable? I do not think so. The communication between a MANET-node and an IPv6-node goes via the AR,=20 because the IPv6-node does not understand MANET related messages. The local=20 IPv6/MIPv6 nodes are treated as the global Internet nodes, because they have a different=20 IPv6 prefix from the one received from the AR. Could you point out for example in a picture how a MANET-node could not=20 communicate with an IPv6/MIPv6-node via its HA? > My >suggestion is as follows. > >1. If (dest is a site-local addres) > execute route discovery. >2. if (prefix of dest is global) > send packets via the default router in parallel with the >excution of route discovery. > >IMO, destination ip does not give sufficient hint to distinguish whether >dest node resides in the MANET or not. IPv6-node with same prefix as >sender node can not reply RREQ though it is reachable in the MANET. >Also, HoA of a IPv6/MIPv6-node can be reachable in the MANET. > >In order to implement this scheme, rt entry for AODV is managed in four >states: > >1. NoHints - may be reachable in local MANET or outside the MANET. To do >- send packets via the default router in parallel with the excution of >route discovery. >2. ValidHostRoute - a node has valid host route. To do - send packets >via host route. >3. NotValidHostRoute - a node has invalid host route. To do - execute >route discovery. packets are enqueued. >4. InternetNode - a node consider dest as an Internet node outside the >MANET. To do - send packets via the default router. > >For a given communication with destination with global ip, state >transitions can be different according scenarios. > >1->2 : the success of route discovery >1->4 : ttl used for route discovery is above threshold or on receiving a >packet from the destination.(I assume that the packet should be replied >to a packet sent by sender) >(2->)3->2 : normal case >(2->)3->4 : ttl used for route discovery is above threshold >2 or 3 or 4 -> 1 : timer expired. I guess you point out that the IPv6 prefix should not solely be used to=20 determine whether or not the destination is in the same MANET, and the algorithm=20 could be improved to support that notion. Can you assume that the destination answers to the packets send by the=20 sender (1->4)? This does not always happen (consider UDP traffic). >I welcome any comments. As I said above, I will write up my I-D >including source address based forwarding and above algorithm. Since any >noticeable consensus for this issue does not exist in MANET wg, I think >that we had better converge different approaches and analyze to give >valuable information for further design. Are there any room to share >research results and achieve improvements in this subject between us? > >Regards, > >HyunWook Cha Sure. Please write the draft and it will be easier to give comments. Pekka > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Pekka P?kk?en > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:39 PM > > To: manet@ietf.org; nemo@ietf.org > > Subject: [manet] draft submission > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have submitted an individual draft, which focuses on IPv6 > > addressing in a heterogeneous MANET-network. Any comments on > > the subject are welcome. > > > > Pekka P=E4=E4kk=F6nen > > > > draft URL: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-paakkonen-addressing-htr-manet >-00.txt > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 31 04:17:07 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA01904 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbcT0-0006WK-RV for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:16:39 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBV9GcOA025049 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:16:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbcSz-0006Vv-J6 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:16:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA01863 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbcSw-0000fy-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:16:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AbcR5-0000dz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:14:39 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbcPg-0000bk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:13:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbcPX-0006DZ-DO; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:13:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbcPD-0006Cv-Gr for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:12:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA01802 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbcPA-0000b4-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:12:40 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AbcNT-0000Z6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:10:55 -0500 Received: from mail.unrwa.org ([194.165.152.246] helo=hqa-fe04.unrwa.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbcMn-0000V0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:10:19 -0500 Received: from hqa-mail01.unrwa.org ([10.1.0.22]) by hqa-fe04.unrwa.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:08:43 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:08:43 +0200 Message-ID: <03012E20A557E94994F5C2CF7EE16F7DF068C9@hqa-mail01.unrwa.org> Thread-Topic: [manet] Ad hoc routing protocols -Testbed codes Thread-Index: AcPAsq/pOlagTgMhSfCcX9Ge3QZi0AOx9YTA From: "MURAD, Ayman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2003 09:08:43.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0876230:01C3CF7D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] MANET Simulators Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I just want to know is that whether the NS-2 the only network simulator = that is available for simulating MANETs? Are there some simulators for migration based models. I would be really grateful if anybody could help me out and my advance = thanks for them Happy 2004 =20 Ayman=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 31 23:20:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05453 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbuJe-0006p8-29 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:20:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i014K9oZ026227 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:20:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbuJc-0006or-Nj for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:20:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05433 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbuJa-0002Nw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:20:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AbuHn-0002KG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:18:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbuFx-0002Fz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:16:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbuFf-0006V6-1K; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:16:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbuFS-0006UQ-7Q for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:15:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05315 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbuFQ-0002EN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:15:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AbuDk-0002Aq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:14:07 -0500 Received: from mbox1.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.5.171]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AbuAv-000267-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:11:09 -0500 Received: from mail03.student.main.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.5.167]) by mbox1.ntu.edu.sg with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5576); Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:04:06 +0800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [manet] MANET Simulators Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:04:06 +0800 Message-ID: <052033A55521254893A4E2041957E1D096B2F9@mail03.student.main.ntu.edu.sg> Thread-Topic: [manet] MANET Simulators Thread-Index: AcPAsq/pOlagTgMhSfCcX9Ge3QZi0AOx9YTAACY9z+A= From: "#LI ZHUOWEI#" To: "MURAD, Ayman" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2004 03:04:06.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB6CD4C0:01C3D013] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Murad Ayman, Please google glomosim and OPNET, and you will find these two MANET simulators except the NS-2. In addition, I remember there are some papers related to the modeling methods. You can google it or download it from some personal websites. Good luck and Happy New Year ... Regards! Sincerely yours, Li Zhuowei ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ph.D. candidate Email: zhwei.li@pmail.ntu.edu.sg More: http://www.cais.ntu.edu.sg/~zhuowei $B!!(J -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MURAD, Ayman Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:09 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] MANET Simulators Hi everybody, I just want to know is that whether the NS-2 the only network simulator that is available for simulating MANETs? Are there some simulators for migration based models. I would be really grateful if anybody could help me out and my advance thanks for them Happy 2004 Ayman _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet