From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 03:25:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01414 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8xVe-0004aE-76 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:25:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i318PAHV017619 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:25:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8xVd-0004a6-UK for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:25:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01396 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8xVb-0007fO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:25:07 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8xUn-0007a9-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:24:17 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8xTr-0007UK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:23:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8xTZ-0004IC-G5; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:23:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8xSm-0004EF-EF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:22:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01253 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8xSk-0007Md-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:22:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8xRg-0007Gm-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:21:05 -0500 Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com ([195.54.107.73]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8xR6-00074z-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:20:28 -0500 Received: from [213.113.222.253] ([213.113.222.253] [213.113.222.253]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040401081958.EHMO3291.mxfep02.bredband.com@[213.113.222.253]>; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:19:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards From: Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nordstr=F6m?= To: David Young Cc: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:20:10 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:42, David Young wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:16:05PM -0500, Vinayak Naik wrote: > > > > I have a quick question about an ad-hoc network that we are trying > > to build with 802.11 cards. > > > > In simulators (such as ns-2), a transmission failure at the MAC layer > > results in a callback to the routing layer to try for an alternate route. > > However, with real 802.11 cards in a testbed, is it possible to get > > a feedback about failure of MAC layer delivery? > > > > Are there any special 802.11 cards that might have this feature? > > Virtually every 802.11 card provides feedback. Lucent & Prism cards > will indicate a transmit failure after the retry count has expired. > The 802.11 ASICs by Atheros, ADMtek, and Realtek will tell you how many > times they re-tried a transmission. The hardware capability is there, > however, the Tx-failure indications do not climb the networking stack > to routing daemons. > Are these counters and TX-failure indications actually accessible in drivers or are they implemented in firmware? Do you have any pointers to anyone that has managed to use this in actual routing protocol implementations? Erik _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 05:28:03 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA05057 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8zQ8-0005NU-0o for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:27:37 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31ARZQs020673 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:27:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8zQ7-0005NM-Q3 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:27:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04984 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8zQ4-0001P0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:27:32 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8zPH-0001Gi-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:26:44 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8zNs-000140-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:25:16 -0500 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B8z9R-00070z-OR for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:10:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8z98-0004K6-NL; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:10:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8z8E-00045n-EF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:09:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04435 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8z8B-0007iK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:09:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8z7I-0007dq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:08:08 -0500 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8z6n-0007Yx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:07:42 -0500 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i31A5TTC011414 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:05:29 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HVH00EHSLDRBH@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:05:54 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4F9A5352B7; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:06:40 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:06:40 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-reply-to: <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> To: Erik Nordstr?m Cc: David Young , manet@ietf.org Mail-followup-to: Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Nordstr?m " Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 16:20 SGT Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:42, David Young wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:16:05PM -0500, Vinayak Naik wrote: > > > > > > I have a quick question about an ad-hoc network that we are trying > > > to build with 802.11 cards. > > > > > > In simulators (such as ns-2), a transmission failure at the MAC layer > > > results in a callback to the routing layer to try for an alternate route. > > > However, with real 802.11 cards in a testbed, is it possible to get > > > a feedback about failure of MAC layer delivery? > > > > > > Are there any special 802.11 cards that might have this feature? > > > > Virtually every 802.11 card provides feedback. Lucent & Prism cards > > will indicate a transmit failure after the retry count has expired. > > The 802.11 ASICs by Atheros, ADMtek, and Realtek will tell you how many > > times they re-tried a transmission. The hardware capability is there, > > however, the Tx-failure indications do not climb the networking stack > > to routing daemons. > > > > Are these counters and TX-failure indications actually accessible in > drivers or are they implemented in firmware? Do you have any pointers to > anyone that has managed to use this in actual routing protocol > implementations? In Cisco Aironet card, the linux driver provides the stats. The stats are exported to the proc filesystem. For a list of stats check the airo.c driver in the Linux Pcmcia package. As an example below is the truncated result of cat /proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Stats ----------------- HostTxMc: 0 HostTxBc: 70 HostTxUc: 2266 HostTxFail: 2 HostRxMc: 5608 HostRxBc: 34794 HostRxUc: 1730 HostRxDiscard: 0 SsidMismatch: 17389 ApMismatch: 0 RatesMismatch: 0 AuthReject: 0 AuthTimeout: 0 AssocReject: 0 AssocTimeout: 0 RxMan: 0 TxMan: 0 RxRefresh: 0 TxRefresh: 0 RxPoll: 0 TxPoll: 0 HostRetries: 81 --------------- - Sukanta _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 07:21:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08495 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B91C0-0006l8-OE for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:21:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31CL8x7025978 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:21:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B91C0-0006kO-Ao for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:21:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08474 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B91Bz-000325-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:21:07 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B91B7-0002uh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:20:14 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B91AD-0002q2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:19:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B919x-0006E0-El; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9192-000685-Ua for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:18:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08408 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9192-0002jW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:18:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9185-0002dj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:17:06 -0500 Received: from balu1.urz.unibas.ch ([131.152.1.51]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9174-0002RF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:16:02 -0500 Received: from igor.urz.unibas.ch (igor.urz.unibas.ch [131.152.1.3]) by balu1.urz.unibas.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i31CFBfL012336; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:15:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:15:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christian Tschudin To: "Sukanta K. Hazra" cc: Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-Reply-To: <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Message-ID: References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know whether you need to poll the card or not. And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to associate failed and successful transmissions with single packets still sitting somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. christian. On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Nordstr?m " > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 16:20 SGT > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:42, David Young wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:16:05PM -0500, Vinayak Naik wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about an ad-hoc network that we are trying > > > > to build with 802.11 cards. > > > > > > > > In simulators (such as ns-2), a transmission failure at the MAC layer > > > > results in a callback to the routing layer to try for an alternate route. > > > > However, with real 802.11 cards in a testbed, is it possible to get > > > > a feedback about failure of MAC layer delivery? > > > > > > > > Are there any special 802.11 cards that might have this feature? > > > > > > Virtually every 802.11 card provides feedback. Lucent & Prism cards > > > will indicate a transmit failure after the retry count has expired. > > > The 802.11 ASICs by Atheros, ADMtek, and Realtek will tell you how many > > > times they re-tried a transmission. The hardware capability is there, > > > however, the Tx-failure indications do not climb the networking stack > > > to routing daemons. > > > > > > > Are these counters and TX-failure indications actually accessible in > > drivers or are they implemented in firmware? Do you have any pointers to > > anyone that has managed to use this in actual routing protocol > > implementations? > > In Cisco Aironet card, the linux driver provides the stats. The > stats are exported to the proc filesystem. For a list of stats check the > airo.c driver in the Linux Pcmcia package. As an example below is the > truncated result of > > cat /proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Stats > > ----------------- > HostTxMc: 0 > HostTxBc: 70 > HostTxUc: 2266 > HostTxFail: 2 > HostRxMc: 5608 > HostRxBc: 34794 > HostRxUc: 1730 > HostRxDiscard: 0 > SsidMismatch: 17389 > ApMismatch: 0 > RatesMismatch: 0 > AuthReject: 0 > AuthTimeout: 0 > AssocReject: 0 > AssocTimeout: 0 > RxMan: 0 > TxMan: 0 > RxRefresh: 0 > TxRefresh: 0 > RxPoll: 0 > TxPoll: 0 > HostRetries: 81 > --------------- > > - Sukanta > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 17:59:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA06361 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9AkO-0002V3-E8 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:33:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31MXG2h009608 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:33:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B990B-00045O-97 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:41:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA01183 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9909-0000ju-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:41:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B98zB-0000aK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:40:26 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B98yI-0000TO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:39:31 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B98tK-0002D8-Gb; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:34:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B92hd-0002i3-Cm for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:57:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13477 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92gv-0005ic-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:57:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B92fx-0005cg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:56:10 -0500 Received: from mail.unrwa.org ([194.165.152.246] helo=hqa-fe02.unrwa.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92f0-0005Rh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:55:10 -0500 Received: from hqa-mail01.unrwa.org ([10.1.0.22]) by hqa-fe02.unrwa.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:54:12 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:54:12 +0200 Message-ID: <03012E20A557E94994F5C2CF7EE16F7D01D3039E@hqa-mail01.unrwa.org> Thread-Topic: [manet] Ad hoc routing protocols -Testbed codes Thread-Index: AcPAsq/pOlagTgMhSfCcX9Ge3QZi0BXRhnVw From: "MURAD, Ayman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2004 14:54:12.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[32373170:01C417F9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Implementation of ABR on NS2 and Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! Does anyone know how to implement Associativity-Based Routing Protocols = (ABR) using ns-2 or Glomosim? Is the ABR source code for use in ns-2 or Glomosim available? Thank you very much =20 Ayman Murad _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 00:14:14 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA10111 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9E62-0004ma-56 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:07:50 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3227ocW018384 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:07:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9BAg-0003xw-J7 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:00:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06410 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9BAe-0006ip-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:00:24 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9B9k-0006dV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:59:29 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9B8n-0006Xo-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:58:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B994S-0005jV-DC; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:45:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B95Ll-00011G-52 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:47:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13941 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92rd-0006nA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B92ql-0006hx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:07:20 -0500 Received: from web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.38]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92q8-0006az-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20040401140605.31865.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.0.6] by web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:06:05 BST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:06:05 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?l=20s?= To: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] effect of radio interference on nodes multihops away Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a question regarding the radio interference between nodes which are not in direct contact at the data-link (MAC) layer when using IEEE 802.11 MAC & PHY. 802.11 does use CSMA, meaning it listens to the radio channel being clear enough before transmitting? If I have a simple setup as follows where the links are MAC links: #0 --- #1 --- #2 --- #3 --- #4 --- #5 Where their physical locations could be anywhere as long as these links are as such. Then if #1 wants to unicast to #2, and achived a chance to commence transmission (ie no carrier sense gave the go-ahead) then it would: #0# -- #1# -- #2# -- #3# -- #4# -- #5# g RTS - | - CTS g | DAT - | | - ACK | 'g' indicates the getting of a NAV. #0 would backoff on hearing the NAV in the RTS from #1 #3 would backoff on hearing the NAV in the CTS from #2 But I am unsure of how the carrier sense works, and what levels trigger it. The way I understand it is that a node's backoff countdown only stops for the duration set in a NAV rx'd from another node. The carrier sense is only used when countdown is at zero and it is about to transmit? If this is so, does that mean that #3 may tx whilst #1 is still tx'ing its RTS? #4 on the other hand is out of data-link range of #2 and so will never hear any NAV from #2 or further, but it will probably still be in radio interference range. What I'd like to know is what is the chance that whilst #2 is tx'ing (CTS or ACK), will #4 sense a carrier and thus not tx. Furthermore, if #4 does not sense the channel busy (carrier sense) and goes ahead and unicast to #5, RTS.. .DATA..., then what is the probability of corruption of data arriving at #2. I understand that this likely depends on the coding scheme being used, the exact physical distances and the environment in which it sits, but what I am looking for is confirmation my thinking is correct, and some work that has been done on this. Some empirical values of this kind of interference under different circumstances would be nice. I am looking at this in relation to Admission Control and Resource Reservation, more accurately in passing a greater variety of information at the MAC to indicate network conditions. Any input would be greatly appreciated. cheers, Lee Speakman CCSR, UniS (Uni of Surrey), UK http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/CCSR/ ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 03:13:19 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA27890 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9EA9-0006Mv-NZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:12:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i322C51N024481 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:12:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9By8-0002XT-Ev for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:51:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA10576 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9By5-0004e1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:51:29 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Bx8-0004VI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:50:31 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9BwC-0004OJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:49:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B99Yj-0008HS-Go; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:17:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B93d7-0005rI-R8 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:57:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15811 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B93cz-0003Uw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:57:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B93c3-0003Ph-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:56:12 -0500 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B93b9-0003In-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:55:15 -0500 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i31ErATC016523 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:53:10 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HVH00FEPYP8OX@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:53:35 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 26B24352B8; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:54:21 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:54:21 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-reply-to: To: Christian Tschudin Cc: Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Mail-followup-to: Christian Tschudin , Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <20040401145421.GA5471@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> <20040401140313.GA4831@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Tschudin " Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 22:26 SGT Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christian Tschudin " > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > > > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, > > > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this > > > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know > > > whether you need to poll the card or not. > > > > > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to associate > > > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still sitting > > > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. > > > > > > christian. > > > > The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or > > ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was > > successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the > > kernel code to make use of that indication. > > > > At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication > > from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can > > proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. > > not really. I browsed through the code only quickly, but it seems clear > that airo_start_xmit() only tells you whether the driver could QUEUE the > packet or not. Whether the packet was actually sent or not, you will not > learn from that. Nor do you know when to look again at the counter > for detecting the packet's fate. It's an asynchronous world down there. > > christian. You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. - Sukanta > > > > > > - Sukanta > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Erik Nordstr?m " > > > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 16:20 SGT > > > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:42, David Young wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:16:05PM -0500, Vinayak Naik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about an ad-hoc network that we are trying > > > > > > > to build with 802.11 cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simulators (such as ns-2), a transmission failure at the MAC layer > > > > > > > results in a callback to the routing layer to try for an alternate route. > > > > > > > However, with real 802.11 cards in a testbed, is it possible to get > > > > > > > a feedback about failure of MAC layer delivery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any special 802.11 cards that might have this feature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Virtually every 802.11 card provides feedback. Lucent & Prism cards > > > > > > will indicate a transmit failure after the retry count has expired. > > > > > > The 802.11 ASICs by Atheros, ADMtek, and Realtek will tell you how many > > > > > > times they re-tried a transmission. The hardware capability is there, > > > > > > however, the Tx-failure indications do not climb the networking stack > > > > > > to routing daemons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these counters and TX-failure indications actually accessible in > > > > > drivers or are they implemented in firmware? Do you have any pointers to > > > > > anyone that has managed to use this in actual routing protocol > > > > > implementations? > > > > > > > > In Cisco Aironet card, the linux driver provides the stats. The > > > > stats are exported to the proc filesystem. For a list of stats check the > > > > airo.c driver in the Linux Pcmcia package. As an example below is the > > > > truncated result of > > > > > > > > cat /proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Stats > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > HostTxMc: 0 > > > > HostTxBc: 70 > > > > HostTxUc: 2266 > > > > HostTxFail: 2 > > > > HostRxMc: 5608 > > > > HostRxBc: 34794 > > > > HostRxUc: 1730 > > > > HostRxDiscard: 0 > > > > SsidMismatch: 17389 > > > > ApMismatch: 0 > > > > RatesMismatch: 0 > > > > AuthReject: 0 > > > > AuthTimeout: 0 > > > > AssocReject: 0 > > > > AssocTimeout: 0 > > > > RxMan: 0 > > > > TxMan: 0 > > > > RxRefresh: 0 > > > > TxRefresh: 0 > > > > RxPoll: 0 > > > > TxPoll: 0 > > > > HostRetries: 81 > > > > --------------- > > > > > > > > - Sukanta > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > manet mailing list > > > > manet@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > > > -- > > Sukanta K. Hazra (Mr.) > > Institute for Infocomm Research > > Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 > > Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ > > > > -- Sukanta K. Hazra (Mr.) Institute for Infocomm Research Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 03:14:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA27965 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9EAJ-0006VP-Eb for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:12:15 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i322CFre024998 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:12:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9C5t-0003rU-RS for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:59:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11018 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9C5q-0005Vl-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:59:30 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9C4u-0005PU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:58:33 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9C4b-0005Jx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:58:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B99Z7-0008R7-Uu; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:17:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B92qW-0003Dq-AT for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:07:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13837 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92pZ-0006aL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:06:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B92og-0006TH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:05:11 -0500 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92no-0006NI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:04:17 -0500 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i31E24TC015714 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:02:05 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HVH00FMFWC1OX@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:02:30 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BA8AF352B8; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:03:13 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:03:13 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-reply-to: To: Christian Tschudin Cc: Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Mail-followup-to: Christian Tschudin , Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <20040401140313.GA4831@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Tschudin " Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know > whether you need to poll the card or not. > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to associate > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still sitting > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. > > christian. The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the kernel code to make use of that indication. At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. - Sukanta > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erik Nordstr?m " > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 16:20 SGT > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > > > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:42, David Young wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:16:05PM -0500, Vinayak Naik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about an ad-hoc network that we are trying > > > > > to build with 802.11 cards. > > > > > > > > > > In simulators (such as ns-2), a transmission failure at the MAC layer > > > > > results in a callback to the routing layer to try for an alternate route. > > > > > However, with real 802.11 cards in a testbed, is it possible to get > > > > > a feedback about failure of MAC layer delivery? > > > > > > > > > > Are there any special 802.11 cards that might have this feature? > > > > > > > > Virtually every 802.11 card provides feedback. Lucent & Prism cards > > > > will indicate a transmit failure after the retry count has expired. > > > > The 802.11 ASICs by Atheros, ADMtek, and Realtek will tell you how many > > > > times they re-tried a transmission. The hardware capability is there, > > > > however, the Tx-failure indications do not climb the networking stack > > > > to routing daemons. > > > > > > > > > > Are these counters and TX-failure indications actually accessible in > > > drivers or are they implemented in firmware? Do you have any pointers to > > > anyone that has managed to use this in actual routing protocol > > > implementations? > > > > In Cisco Aironet card, the linux driver provides the stats. The > > stats are exported to the proc filesystem. For a list of stats check the > > airo.c driver in the Linux Pcmcia package. As an example below is the > > truncated result of > > > > cat /proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Stats > > > > ----------------- > > HostTxMc: 0 > > HostTxBc: 70 > > HostTxUc: 2266 > > HostTxFail: 2 > > HostRxMc: 5608 > > HostRxBc: 34794 > > HostRxUc: 1730 > > HostRxDiscard: 0 > > SsidMismatch: 17389 > > ApMismatch: 0 > > RatesMismatch: 0 > > AuthReject: 0 > > AuthTimeout: 0 > > AssocReject: 0 > > AssocTimeout: 0 > > RxMan: 0 > > TxMan: 0 > > RxRefresh: 0 > > TxRefresh: 0 > > RxPoll: 0 > > TxPoll: 0 > > HostRetries: 81 > > --------------- > > > > - Sukanta > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > -- Sukanta K. Hazra (Mr.) Institute for Infocomm Research Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 03:14:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA28056 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9EAd-0006lj-3Y for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:12:35 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i322CZr6026013 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:12:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9CDk-0005Kv-8W for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:07:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA11827 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9CDh-0006cg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:07:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9CCl-0006WC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:06:40 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9CCC-0006Q2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:06:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B99a8-0000EC-3m; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:18:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B94oS-0000VN-KS for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:13:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14604 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B93Av-0000sd-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:28:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B93A3-0000oD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:27:16 -0500 Received: from balu1.urz.unibas.ch ([131.152.1.51]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B939U-0000i8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:26:40 -0500 Received: from igor.urz.unibas.ch (igor.urz.unibas.ch [131.152.1.3]) by balu1.urz.unibas.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i31EQ3fL004228; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:26:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:26:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christian Tschudin To: "Sukanta K. Hazra" cc: Erik Nordstr?m , David Young , manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-Reply-To: <20040401140313.GA4831@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Message-ID: References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> <20040401140313.GA4831@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Tschudin " > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, > > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this > > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know > > whether you need to poll the card or not. > > > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to associate > > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still sitting > > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. > > > > christian. > > The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or > ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was > successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the > kernel code to make use of that indication. > > At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication > from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can > proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. not really. I browsed through the code only quickly, but it seems clear that airo_start_xmit() only tells you whether the driver could QUEUE the packet or not. Whether the packet was actually sent or not, you will not learn from that. Nor do you know when to look again at the counter for detecting the packet's fate. It's an asynchronous world down there. christian. > > - Sukanta > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Erik Nordstr?m " > > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 16:20 SGT > > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:42, David Young wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:16:05PM -0500, Vinayak Naik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about an ad-hoc network that we are trying > > > > > > to build with 802.11 cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > In simulators (such as ns-2), a transmission failure at the MAC layer > > > > > > results in a callback to the routing layer to try for an alternate route. > > > > > > However, with real 802.11 cards in a testbed, is it possible to get > > > > > > a feedback about failure of MAC layer delivery? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any special 802.11 cards that might have this feature? > > > > > > > > > > Virtually every 802.11 card provides feedback. Lucent & Prism cards > > > > > will indicate a transmit failure after the retry count has expired. > > > > > The 802.11 ASICs by Atheros, ADMtek, and Realtek will tell you how many > > > > > times they re-tried a transmission. The hardware capability is there, > > > > > however, the Tx-failure indications do not climb the networking stack > > > > > to routing daemons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these counters and TX-failure indications actually accessible in > > > > drivers or are they implemented in firmware? Do you have any pointers to > > > > anyone that has managed to use this in actual routing protocol > > > > implementations? > > > > > > In Cisco Aironet card, the linux driver provides the stats. The > > > stats are exported to the proc filesystem. For a list of stats check the > > > airo.c driver in the Linux Pcmcia package. As an example below is the > > > truncated result of > > > > > > cat /proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Stats > > > > > > ----------------- > > > HostTxMc: 0 > > > HostTxBc: 70 > > > HostTxUc: 2266 > > > HostTxFail: 2 > > > HostRxMc: 5608 > > > HostRxBc: 34794 > > > HostRxUc: 1730 > > > HostRxDiscard: 0 > > > SsidMismatch: 17389 > > > ApMismatch: 0 > > > RatesMismatch: 0 > > > AuthReject: 0 > > > AuthTimeout: 0 > > > AssocReject: 0 > > > AssocTimeout: 0 > > > RxMan: 0 > > > TxMan: 0 > > > RxRefresh: 0 > > > TxRefresh: 0 > > > RxPoll: 0 > > > TxPoll: 0 > > > HostRetries: 81 > > > --------------- > > > > > > - Sukanta > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > manet mailing list > > > manet@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > -- > Sukanta K. Hazra (Mr.) > Institute for Infocomm Research > Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 > Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ > > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 03:17:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA28226 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9EBV-0007pa-M7 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:13:30 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i322DTqp030091 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:13:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Cg9-0002C1-P1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:37:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14134 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Cg8-0002wD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:37:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Ceb-0002gW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:35:26 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Cdh-0002ZC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:34:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9A9w-0007Sn-Nx; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:55:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B95XI-0001GS-ES for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:59:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21838 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B95X7-0000ug-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:59:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B95WA-0000pj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:58:14 -0500 Received: from web40001.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.19]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B95VF-0000gg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20040401165645.20204.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.110.39.12] by web40001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:56:45 PST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: ruchir sinha To: Sylwia Van den Heuvel-Romaszko , manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <006201c40c17$50e6f170$0092fea9@portinf25> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-861546689-1080838605=:18524" Subject: [manet] Reg OPNET Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-861546689-1080838605=:18524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, If anyone could provide some insight on working with the OPNET simulator....i need to make changes in the source code for protocols like DSR and AODV and observe the output on the sreen as one does in Ns-2 and Glomosim....Please help me out with suggestions as to what needs to be done to get similar outputs in OPNET... 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    If anyone could provide some insight on working with the OPNET simulator....i need to make changes in the source code for protocols like DSR and AODV and observe the output on the sreen as one does in Ns-2 and Glomosim....Please help me out with suggestions as to what needs to be done to get similar outputs in OPNET...
 
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Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-861546689-1080838605=:18524-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 07:38:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06854 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Kpz-0005Xk-By for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:19:43 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i329Jh7G021309 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:19:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9GlC-00035g-9i for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:58:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA08921 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9GlA-0002Co-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:58:28 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Gio-0001gV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:56:03 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9GdD-0000dV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:50:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Dxj-00088i-UW; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:59:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9A5x-00073y-Ua for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:51:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03744 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9A5v-0007hM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:51:27 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9A54-0007aT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:50:34 -0500 Received: from che.ojctech.com ([209.254.133.74]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9A4W-0007Ta-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:50:01 -0500 Received: from che.ojctech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i31LnURG005722 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:49:30 -0600 Received: (from dyoung@localhost) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31LnUB5005720 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:49:30 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:49:30 -0600 From: David Young To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards Message-ID: <20040401214930.GA16080@che.ojctech.com> Mail-Followup-To: manet@ietf.org References: <20040329174245.GT16080@che.ojctech.com> <1080807610.3715.17.camel@replicator.mine.nu> <20040401100640.GA2279@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> <20040401140313.GA4831@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 04:26:03PM +0200, Christian Tschudin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christian Tschudin " > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > > > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, > > > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this > > > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know > > > whether you need to poll the card or not. > > > > > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to associate > > > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still sitting > > > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. > > > > > > christian. > > > > The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or > > ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was > > successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the > > kernel code to make use of that indication. > > > > At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication > > from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can > > proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. > > not really. I browsed through the code only quickly, but it seems clear > that airo_start_xmit() only tells you whether the driver could QUEUE the > packet or not. Whether the packet was actually sent or not, you will not > learn from that. Nor do you know when to look again at the counter > for detecting the packet's fate. It's an asynchronous world down there. > The Aironet firmware is capable of indicating transmit success or failure for each packet using an interrupt. It is possible with Lucent/Prism firmware for the driver to apply a label to each packet, so that it can be recognized when the interrupt comes. It *appears* that it is the same for Aironet. It is clear that virtually all 802.11 devices can indicate transmit success/failure for individual packets. It's not clear what the API will look like, even in the abstract, that the different layers of the protocol stack will use to get individual success/failure indications. Dave -- David Young OJC Technologies dyoung@ojctech.com Urbana, IL * (217) 278-3933 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 16:12:23 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29685 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9SXY-0000zf-81 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:33:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32HXCwh003820 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:33:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Qm2-0007JK-4Z for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:40:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14529 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Qlz-0000mn-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:39:59 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Ql0-0000eh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:38:59 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Qk6-0000XM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:38:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Nr6-0005uE-BV; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:33:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9KYb-0004dZ-Og for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:01:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29761 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9KYZ-0005qp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:01:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9KXc-0005kw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:00:44 -0500 Received: from relay.cs.tcd.ie ([134.226.32.56] helo=mail.cs.tcd.ie) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9KWz-0005fI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:00:05 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B0186B1 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:00:06 +0100 (IST) Received: from Barb (barb.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.34]) by mail.cs.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id C8CFC86B0 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:00:05 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <004a01c41890$86ea8450$2224e286@Barb> From: "Barbara Hughes" To: Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:57:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A related question. I am particularly interested in Lucent Orinoco Gold cards where the orinoco_xmit() submits the packet to the queue and __orinoco_ev_tx() occurs when the packet transmission occurs. Is there a known upper bound on the time a packet spends in the queue prior to transmission, i.e. the time between the xmit placing in the queue and the interrupt trigger to ev_tx? Any thoughts much appreciated. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Young" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 04:26:03PM +0200, Christian Tschudin wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christian Tschudin " > > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT > > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > > > > > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, > > > > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this > > > > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know > > > > whether you need to poll the card or not. > > > > > > > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to associate > > > > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still sitting > > > > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. > > > > > > > > christian. > > > > > > The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or > > > ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was > > > successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the > > > kernel code to make use of that indication. > > > > > > At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication > > > from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can > > > proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. > > > > not really. I browsed through the code only quickly, but it seems clear > > that airo_start_xmit() only tells you whether the driver could QUEUE the > > packet or not. Whether the packet was actually sent or not, you will not > > learn from that. Nor do you know when to look again at the counter > > for detecting the packet's fate. It's an asynchronous world down there. > > > > The Aironet firmware is capable of indicating transmit success or failure > for each packet using an interrupt. It is possible with Lucent/Prism > firmware for the driver to apply a label to each packet, so that it can > be recognized when the interrupt comes. It *appears* that it is the same > for Aironet. > > It is clear that virtually all 802.11 devices can indicate transmit > success/failure for individual packets. It's not clear what the API > will look like, even in the abstract, that the different layers of the > protocol stack will use to get individual success/failure indications. > > Dave > > -- > David Young OJC Technologies > dyoung@ojctech.com Urbana, IL * (217) 278-3933 > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 16:44:46 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03336 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9WSX-0001n2-Nt for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:44:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32LiH9j006878 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:44:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Upj-0001Vz-9L for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:00:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25255 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Upg-00066Z-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:00:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Uoh-0005yu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:59:04 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Unk-0005rM-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:58:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9S0Y-0005m8-90; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:59:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Pnz-0002PZ-DJ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10680 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Pnx-0007fs-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:57 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Pn4-0007ZD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:03 -0500 Received: from nestor.nmsu.edu ([128.123.34.146] helo=mail.nmsu.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Pmf-0007SC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:36:37 -0500 Received: from PCMullen2 (pc-mullen-2.NMSU.Edu [128.123.245.103]) by mail.nmsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10332006; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:36:36 -0700 (MST) From: "John Mullen" To: "'ruchir sinha'" , "'Sylwia Van den Heuvel-Romaszko'" , Subject: RE: [manet] Reg OPNET Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:36:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c418bf$e72b95f0$67f57b80@IEngr.ad.nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41885.3ACCBDF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040401165645.20204.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41885.3ACCBDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ruchir, I've worked a bit with OPNET, but am no expert. I suggest, if you have not already done so, that you check out all accessible resources at the OPNET support site. http://www.mil3.com/support/home1.html Your access to that site depends on the type of license you have. To access everything, you need to have a maintenance agreement, but you can still access a lot without one. People using OPNET software are encouraged to put links to copies of their work on this site, so there is a lot there. Best of luck! John Mullen -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ruchir sinha Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:57 AM To: Sylwia Van den Heuvel-Romaszko; manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] Reg OPNET Hi, If anyone could provide some insight on working with the OPNET simulator....i need to make changes in the source code for protocols like DSR and AODV and observe the output on the sreen as one does in Ns-2 and Glomosim....Please help me out with suggestions as to what needs to be done to get similar outputs in OPNET... Regards Ruchir Sylwia Van den Heuvel-Romaszko wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylwia Van den Heuvel-Romaszko University of Antwerp (UIA) Dept. Mathemathics and Computer Science Performance Analysis of Telecommunication Systems (PATS) Research Group Middelheimlaan 1 B-2020 Antwerp Belgium email: sylwia.romaszko@ua.ac.be url: http://win-www.ruca.ua.ac.be/u/pats _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Ruchir,
 
I've=20 worked a bit with OPNET, but am no expert.
 
I=20 suggest, if you have not already done so, that you check out all = accessible=20 resources at the OPNET support site. 
 
http://www.mil3.com/suppo= rt/home1.html
 
Your=20 access to that site depends on the type of license you have.  To = access=20 everything, you need to have a maintenance agreement, but you can still = access a=20 lot without one.  People using OPNET software are encouraged to put = links=20 to copies of their work on this site, so there is a lot=20 there.
 
Best=20 of luck!
 
John=20 Mullen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = ruchir=20 sinha
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:57 AM
To: = Sylwia=20 Van den Heuvel-Romaszko; manet@ietf.org
Subject: [manet] Reg = OPNET

Hi,
    If anyone could provide some insight on = working with=20 the OPNET simulator....i need to make changes in the source code for = protocols=20 like DSR and AODV and observe the output on the sreen as one does in = Ns-2 and=20 Glomosim....Please help me out with suggestions as to what needs to be = done to=20 get similar outputs in OPNET...
 
Regards
Ruchir

Sylwia Van den Heuvel-Romaszko=20 <sylwia.romaszko@ua.ac.be> wrote:
 
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------
Sylwia=20 Van den Heuvel-Romaszko
University of Antwerp (UIA)
Dept. = Mathemathics=20 and Computer Science
Performance Analysis of Telecommunication=20 Systems
(PATS) Research Group
Middelheimlaan 1 B-2020=20 Antwerp
Belgium
email: sylwia.romaszko@ua.ac.be
= url:=20 http://win-www.ruca.ua.ac.be= /u/pats

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41885.3ACCBDF0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 3 01:48:12 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26438 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9ewS-0001hU-O5 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:47:44 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i336liFT006509 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:47:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9ewS-0001fX-GC for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:47:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26421 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9ewP-0003tv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:47:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9evc-0003lN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:52 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9euz-0003bL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9eun-0000cL-LS; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9euP-00008l-Go for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:45:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26312 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9euM-0003YV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:45:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9etY-0003R0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:44:44 -0500 Received: from web13207.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.192]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9esb-0003JD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:43:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20040403064344.88344.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [156.26.20.125] by web13207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:43:44 PST Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:43:44 -0800 (PST) From: sumanth sarma To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] [Ns2] Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 hi, anyone working on ns-2. can you please share your experiences. 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Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 3 02:37:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11170 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9fhv-0001mD-St for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:36:47 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i337al4l006827 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:36:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9fhv-0001m0-0J for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:36:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11152 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9fhr-0002Lu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:36:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9fgz-0002CX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:35:50 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9fgI-00023o-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:35:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9fgE-00015h-Eh; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:35:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9ffz-00011F-7c for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:34:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11082 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9ffv-000221-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:34:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9ff7-0001uu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:33:53 -0500 Received: from che.ojctech.com ([209.254.133.74]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9feR-0001jS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:33:12 -0500 Received: from che.ojctech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i337WfRG012177 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:32:41 -0600 Received: (from dyoung@localhost) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i337WeUx012174 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:32:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:32:40 -0600 From: David Young To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards Message-ID: <20040403073240.GF12444@che.ojctech.com> Mail-Followup-To: manet@ietf.org References: <004a01c41890$86ea8450$2224e286@Barb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004a01c41890$86ea8450$2224e286@Barb> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:57:28AM +0100, Barbara Hughes wrote: > A related question. > I am particularly interested in Lucent Orinoco Gold cards where the > orinoco_xmit() submits the packet to the queue and > __orinoco_ev_tx() occurs when the packet transmission occurs. > Is there a known upper bound on the time a packet spends in the queue prior > to transmission, i.e. the time between the xmit placing in > the queue and the interrupt trigger to ev_tx? There might be a known lower bound equal to the firmware overhead. An upper bound . ev_tx is not triggered until the firmware knows the transmission status, so the upper bound will be connected to the upper bounds on contention, retransmissions, ack overhead, and (optional) rts/cts or fragmentation overhead. That said, I believe there is a firmware register that lets you enforce a transmit lifetime. 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Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 5 13:06:41 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15453 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXY6-0001JB-DD for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:06:15 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i35H6EQi005030 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:06:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXY6-0001IW-2t for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:06:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15445 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXY4-0005Rs-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:06:12 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXRr-0004eZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:59:48 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXRK-0004XT-01 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:59:14 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BAXQK-0001nd-68 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:58:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXQA-0007uY-48; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXPh-0007sW-7F for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:57:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15297 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXPf-0004Qw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:57:31 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXOd-0004K7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:56:28 -0400 Received: from itc100.adtran.com ([66.0.238.100] helo=srv-exchange1.adtran.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXNf-0004AF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:55:27 -0400 Received: by srv-exchange1.adtran.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: <39B01E2189D99F4B8C9612462DB3922A153B8BC5@srv-exchange.adtran.com> From: DANIEL BYRNE To: "'idc@cs.ucsb.edu'" , Barbara Hughes Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 That time would be highly dependant on the host system and its particular configuration would it not? -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Ian Chakeres Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:46 AM To: Barbara Hughes Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards I performed some tests evaluating the latency of link layer feedback using the host ap driver, a netgear MA401RA card and iwevent. I found the lower bound (average) to be around 11 ms with a single transmitter. Ian Chakeres If you are interested in reading the paper, please contact me, it is currently pending publication. >Barbara Hughes wrote: >A related question. >I am particularly interested in Lucent Orinoco Gold cards where the >orinoco_xmit() submits the packet to the queue and >__orinoco_ev_tx() occurs when the packet transmission occurs. >Is there a known upper bound on the time a packet spends in the queue prior >to transmission, i.e. the time between the xmit placing in >the queue and the interrupt trigger to ev_tx? > >Any thoughts much appreciated. >Barbara > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Young" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:49 PM >Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > >> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 04:26:03PM +0200, Christian Tschudin wrote: >> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: >> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Christian Tschudin " >> > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT >> > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards >> > > >> > > > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, >> > > > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this >> > > > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know >> > > > whether you need to poll the card or not. >> > > > >> > > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to >associate >> > > > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still >sitting >> > > > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. >> > > > >> > > > christian. >> > > >> > > The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or >> > > ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was >> > > successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the >> > > kernel code to make use of that indication. >> > > >> > > At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication >> > > from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can >> > > proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. >> > >> > not really. I browsed through the code only quickly, but it seems clear >> > that airo_start_xmit() only tells you whether the driver could QUEUE the >> > packet or not. Whether the packet was actually sent or not, you will not >> > learn from that. Nor do you know when to look again at the counter >> > for detecting the packet's fate. It's an asynchronous world down there. >> > >> >> The Aironet firmware is capable of indicating transmit success or failure >> for each packet using an interrupt. It is possible with Lucent/Prism >> firmware for the driver to apply a label to each packet, so that it can >> be recognized when the interrupt comes. It *appears* that it is the same >> for Aironet. >> >> It is clear that virtually all 802.11 devices can indicate transmit >> success/failure for individual packets. It's not clear what the API >> will look like, even in the abstract, that the different layers of the >> protocol stack will use to get individual success/failure indications. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> David Young OJC Technologies >> dyoung@ojctech.com Urbana, IL * (217) 278-3933 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 5 13:20:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15660 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXlD-0003gr-3N for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:19:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i35HJlpj014161 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:19:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXlC-0003gK-H4 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:19:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15650 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXlA-0006rl-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:19:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXSr-0004pG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:51 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXRS-0004Xk-02 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:59:22 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BAXJm-0000sG-0q for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:51:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXJO-00063z-OF; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:51:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAXJ2-0005zM-5t for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:50:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14948 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXJ0-0003YT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:50:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXHE-0003Hk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:48:49 -0400 Received: from stamps.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.14]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXEi-0002og-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:46:12 -0400 Received: from kenai.cs.ucsb.edu (csil.cs.ucsb.edu [128.111.41.12]) by stamps.cs.ucsb.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i35GgacS021003; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Chakeres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16497.36167.225485.452141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:45:59 -0700 To: "Barbara Hughes" Cc: Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-Reply-To: <004a01c41890$86ea8450$2224e286@Barb> References: <004a01c41890$86ea8450$2224e286@Barb> X-Mailer: VM 7.15 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: idc@cs.ucsb.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I performed some tests evaluating the latency of link layer feedback using the host ap driver, a netgear MA401RA card and iwevent. I found the lower bound (average) to be around 11 ms with a single transmitter. Ian Chakeres If you are interested in reading the paper, please contact me, it is currently pending publication. >Barbara Hughes wrote: >A related question. >I am particularly interested in Lucent Orinoco Gold cards where the >orinoco_xmit() submits the packet to the queue and >__orinoco_ev_tx() occurs when the packet transmission occurs. >Is there a known upper bound on the time a packet spends in the queue prior >to transmission, i.e. the time between the xmit placing in >the queue and the interrupt trigger to ev_tx? > >Any thoughts much appreciated. >Barbara > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Young" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:49 PM >Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > >> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 04:26:03PM +0200, Christian Tschudin wrote: >> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: >> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Christian Tschudin " >> > > Date: Thu, 01 Apr, 2004 20:15 SGT >> > > Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards >> > > >> > > > The problem is with checking the counters on a per-packet basis, >> > > > the /proc/driver/aironet interface is too coarse. At least this >> > > > indicates that the data would be available. Next thing to know >> > > > whether you need to poll the card or not. >> > > > >> > > > And it's also with the queueing inside the kernel i.e., to >associate >> > > > failed and successful transmissions with single packets still >sitting >> > > > somewhere in a buffer. Needs explicit signaling too. >> > > > >> > > > christian. >> > > >> > > The airo_start_xmit function in the airo driver returns SUCCESS or >> > > ERROR, that can give an indication whether the transmission was >> > > successful or not. You could modify the appropriate functions in the >> > > kernel code to make use of that indication. >> > > >> > > At the least, what this proves is that its possible to get indication >> > > from the card regarding success or failure of transmission. You can >> > > proceed from there, to incorporate it in the routing protocol. >> > >> > not really. I browsed through the code only quickly, but it seems clear >> > that airo_start_xmit() only tells you whether the driver could QUEUE the >> > packet or not. Whether the packet was actually sent or not, you will not >> > learn from that. Nor do you know when to look again at the counter >> > for detecting the packet's fate. It's an asynchronous world down there. >> > >> >> The Aironet firmware is capable of indicating transmit success or failure >> for each packet using an interrupt. It is possible with Lucent/Prism >> firmware for the driver to apply a label to each packet, so that it can >> be recognized when the interrupt comes. It *appears* that it is the same >> for Aironet. >> >> It is clear that virtually all 802.11 devices can indicate transmit >> success/failure for individual packets. It's not clear what the API >> will look like, even in the abstract, that the different layers of the >> protocol stack will use to get individual success/failure indications. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> David Young OJC Technologies >> dyoung@ojctech.com Urbana, IL * (217) 278-3933 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 5 15:09:54 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26976 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAZTK-0007uo-O5 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:27 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i35J9QDV030324 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAZTJ-0007rR-FJ for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26864 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAZTG-0005Zx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAZF7-0003GE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:54:46 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYoL-0000hu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:27:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAYoH-0006IW-IF; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:27:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAYnX-0006BY-Sj for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:26:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23058 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYnV-0000Ys-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:26:13 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYbX-00069x-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:13:52 -0400 Received: from stamps.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.14]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYD4-0003cE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:48:35 -0400 Received: from kenai.cs.ucsb.edu (csil.cs.ucsb.edu [128.111.41.12]) by stamps.cs.ucsb.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i35Hj1cS022040; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Chakeres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16497.39912.16164.385973@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:48:23 -0700 To: DANIEL BYRNE Cc: Barbara Hughes , manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards In-Reply-To: <39B01E2189D99F4B8C9612462DB3922A153B8BC5@srv-exchange.adtran.com> References: <39B01E2189D99F4B8C9612462DB3922A153B8BC5@srv-exchange.adtran.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.15 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: idc@cs.ucsb.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. My tests were run on a 1GHz laptop with Linux. I think the results are representative of many peoples configuration. Ian Chakeres >DANIEL BYRNE wrote: >That time would be highly dependant on the host system and its particular >configuration would it not? > >-----Original Message----- >From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Ian >Chakeres >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:46 AM >To: Barbara Hughes >Cc: manet@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > >I performed some tests evaluating the latency of link layer feedback >using the host ap driver, a netgear MA401RA card and iwevent. I found >the lower bound (average) to be around 11 ms with a single transmitter. > >Ian Chakeres > >If you are interested in reading the paper, please contact me, it is >currently pending publication. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 5 15:12:46 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27777 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAZW6-0002vA-Hl for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:12:18 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i35JCIdc011221 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:12:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAZW6-0002ur-CL for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:12:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27613 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAZW5-0006CH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:12:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAZKT-00041i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:00:18 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYuI-0001Hb-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:33:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAYu6-0007h3-QO; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:33:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAYu2-0007gQ-30 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:32:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23319 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYtz-0001F9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:32:55 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYeI-0006gx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:16:43 -0400 Received: from host-bs.adtran.com ([208.61.208.100] helo=srv-exchange2.adtran.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAYJ5-0004A0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:54:47 -0400 Received: by pobox.adtran.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:54:47 -0500 Message-ID: <39B01E2189D99F4B8C9612462DB3922A153B8BC6@srv-exchange.adtran.com> From: DANIEL BYRNE To: "'idc@cs.ucsb.edu'" Cc: Barbara Hughes , manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:54:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I don't think so. There are too many variables. I think the only true answer to Ethernet card feedback is to have an FPGA or a special ASIC sitting on the ethernet card itself handling feedback signals before software has to intervene. Adding link-layer feedback all the way to the software is an inherently time consuming process. For multi-hop ad-hoc networks to succeed, latency has to be kept at a minimum regardless of host processor. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Chakeres [mailto:idc@cs.ucsb.edu] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:48 PM To: DANIEL BYRNE Cc: Barbara Hughes; manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards I agree. My tests were run on a 1GHz laptop with Linux. I think the results are representative of many peoples configuration. Ian Chakeres >DANIEL BYRNE wrote: >That time would be highly dependant on the host system and its particular >configuration would it not? > >-----Original Message----- >From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Ian >Chakeres >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:46 AM >To: Barbara Hughes >Cc: manet@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [manet] transmission failure info from 802.11 cards > > > >I performed some tests evaluating the latency of link layer feedback >using the host ap driver, a netgear MA401RA card and iwevent. I found >the lower bound (average) to be around 11 ms with a single transmitter. > >Ian Chakeres > >If you are interested in reading the paper, please contact me, it is >currently pending publication. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 5 22:16:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05979 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAg8F-0002Mi-Gb for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:16:10 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i362G715009083 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:16:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAg8F-0002MC-8W for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:16:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA05836 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAg8C-00011J-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:16:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAfjA-0005gC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:50:13 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAfKY-0002oL-02 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:24:46 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BAfBN-0000Sh-8U for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:15:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAfB8-0005TE-FH; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:15:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAfA9-0005Db-74 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:14:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA01146 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAfA6-0001oD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:13:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAetW-0007dE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:56:51 -0400 Received: from falcon.shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp ([130.34.209.8]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAebn-0005Hw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:38:31 -0400 Received: from joy (YahooBB220013016213.bbtec.net [220.13.16.213]) (authenticated bits=0) by falcon.shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i360cKD4020959 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:38:21 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <000c01c41b6f$75fb9bc0$d5100ddc@joy> From: "Salim Zabir" To: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:38:20 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] where in the real life... Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Who'd be the FIRST to make a reply: 1. Other than battle/emergency where in real life can/do we use MANETs? Why are we spending a hell lot of effort doing research on it?? 2. When IEEE 802.11 is used either in WLAN or Ad hoc mode, do we employ RTS/CTS handshaking in real life? Or simply keep the default(!) setting of max. RTS threshold to 2037 or so? Wishes. 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Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 6 03:25:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15943 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAkxF-00019w-Tp for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 03:25:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i367P5Z8004445 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:25:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAkxF-00019W-KS for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 03:25:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15792 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAkxC-0005q7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 03:25:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAkkS-0003VA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 03:11:53 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAkGh-0000UH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:41:07 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BAkGj-00024b-2h for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:41:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAkGd-0006nO-D7; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:41:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAkFf-0006cD-0I for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:40:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11701 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAkFb-0000P2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:39:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAk1w-0006QC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:25:52 -0400 Received: from web8305.mail.in.yahoo.com ([203.199.122.35]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAjsJ-0004eN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:15:55 -0400 Message-ID: <20040406061525.2415.qmail@web8305.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.212.113.2] by web8305.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:15:24 BST Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:15:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jyoti=20grover?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] ns2(trace file) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi i am new to ns2 i have run the simple programs in ns2 but in dsr & tora protocols that i have run .i can not understand the trace files of these scripts. can anyone help me.who is working on manet protocols. with regards. ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 6 05:25:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA26429 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAmpT-0005wq-3D for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:25:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i369PBZ7022865 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:25:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAmpS-0005wi-R5 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:25:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA26295 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAmpP-0004o5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:25:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAmkl-0003mT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:20:20 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAmX6-00017N-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:06:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAmWw-0006dY-9Z; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:06:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAmWG-0006VR-UK for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:05:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA22194 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAmWD-000106-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:05:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAlw9-0005en-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:28:03 -0400 Received: from web8311.mail.in.yahoo.com ([203.199.122.11]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAlp0-0004Ib-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:20:39 -0400 Message-ID: <20040406082006.26795.qmail@web8311.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.69.228] by web8311.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:20:06 BST Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:20:06 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ash=20Mohammad=20Abbas?= Subject: Re: [manet] ns2(trace file) To: jyoti grover , manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20040406061525.2415.qmail@web8305.mail.in.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please have a look on ns-manual, the trace format is described therein. Hope this helps Abbas --- jyoti grover wrote: > hi > i am new to ns2 > i have run the simple programs in ns2 but in dsr & > tora protocols that i have run .i can not understand > the trace files of these scripts. > can anyone help me.who is working on manet > protocols. > > with regards. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the > best policies, services, tools and more. > Go to: > http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet ===== Ash Mohammad Abbashttp://www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/~abbas ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 6 09:05:29 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14269 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAqGD-00038z-FZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:05:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i36D51CB012078 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:05:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAqGD-00038j-AL for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:05:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14130 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqGB-0007NS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:04:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAq4C-00054Z-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:52:37 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BApaj-0001zN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:22:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BApab-0006z0-Mx; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:22:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BApa6-0006rB-0T for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:21:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10038 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BApa4-0001vL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:21:28 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BApEc-0006dO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:59:19 -0400 Received: from mail0.epfl.ch ([128.178.50.57]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAolx-0003Wq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:29:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 31070 invoked by uid 107); 6 Apr 2004 11:29:39 -0000 Received: from mailav1.epfl.ch (HELO MAILAV1) (128.178.50.190) by mail0.epfl.ch with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 11:29:39 -0000 Received: From mail0.epfl.ch ([128.178.50.57]) by MAILAV1 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 108125097490; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:29:34 +0200 Received: from lcmpc4.epfl.ch (128.178.8.59) by mail0.epfl.ch (AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy); Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:29:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:29:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Henri DF X-X-Sender: henridf@lcmpc4.epfl.ch To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] ANNOUNCE: Release of the NAB network simulator Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 It's a pleasure to announce the first public release of NAB (Network in a Box). NAB is a network simulator targeted at wireless ad hoc and sensor networks. It is developped within the MICS project at EPFL. Downloads and documentation are available at http://nab.epfl.ch NAB is written in ocaml, a high-level yet highly efficient programming language which supports both object-oriented and functional programming styles. NAB places a particular emphasisis on scalability and visualization. Routing protocols currently implemented are AODV, EASE, and FRESH. Various MAC layers are available including a null MAC and a CSMA MAC. A 802.11b MAC is under development. As always, questions, comments, and feedback are most welcome. Henri Dubois-Ferriere _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 6 10:08:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20191 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BArF3-0006Ce-M2 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:54 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i36E7r9K023845 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BArF3-0006CW-II for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20030 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BArF1-00078K-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAr1s-0004dz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:54:18 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqV8-0001QZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:20:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAqN3-0004nM-Kl; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:12:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAqMt-0004jP-3W for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:11:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14909 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqMr-0000kx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:11:53 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqEn-00077I-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:03:34 -0400 Received: from rissala173.outgw.tn ([193.95.17.173]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAq0Z-0004LZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:48:51 -0400 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by rissala164.ingw.tn (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i36EgE0b020648 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:42:14 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.planet.net.tn (smtp.planet.tn [193.95.123.25]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36BfWsV020163 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:41:32 +0200 (EET) Received: from home ([193.95.96.92]) by smtp1.planet.net.tn (Switch-3.1.3/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i36EgtIA015699 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:42:57 -0100 (GMT) Message-ID: <001101c41bd4$84f5bb50$5c605fc1@home> From: "Wala Turki Latrous" To: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:41:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C41BDC.E5E12870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [manet] why olsr isn't a level 3 prtocol? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C41BDC.E5E12870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is OLSR a transport level protocol (level 4) ? Why it isn't a level 3 protocol like the other kinds of routing = protocols? ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C41BDC.E5E12870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is OLSR a transport level protocol = (level 4)=20 ?
Why it isn't a level 3 protocol like = the other=20 kinds of routing protocols?
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C41BDC.E5E12870-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 6 10:58:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20190 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BArF4-0006Cw-1X for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:54 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i36E7sWb023859 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:07:54 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BArF3-0006Ck-UR for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20033 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BArF1-00078R-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAr1t-0004e8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:54:19 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqV8-0001QZ-01 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:20:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAqN4-0004nb-V8; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:12:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BAqMt-0004jU-T2 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:11:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14914 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqMs-0000l7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:11:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAqEo-00077Q-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:03:35 -0400 Received: from rissala173.outgw.tn ([193.95.17.173]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAq0Z-0004Lb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:48:51 -0400 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by rissala164.ingw.tn (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i36EgE0b020650 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:42:14 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.planet.net.tn (smtp.planet.tn [193.95.123.25]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36BfWsV020165 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:41:32 +0200 (EET) Received: from home ([193.95.96.92]) by smtp1.planet.net.tn (Switch-3.1.3/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i36EgrIA015696 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:42:57 -0100 (GMT) Message-ID: <000d01c41bd4$83b3ec80$5c605fc1@home> From: "Wala Turki Latrous" To: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:41:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C41BDC.E3B806E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [manet] ack in olsr Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C41BDC.E3B806E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any type of ack in OLSR (i.e when we send a HELLO, TC or MID = message, how can we sure that they rich the other nodes?) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C41BDC.E3B806E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any type of ack in OLSR (i.e = when we send=20 a HELLO, TC or MID message, how can we sure that they rich the = other=20 nodes?)
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(fjrm4@83.32.251.94 with plain) by smtp105.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 13:25:48 -0000 From: Francisco Ros To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] ack in olsr Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:30:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <000d01c41bd4$83b3ec80$5c605fc1@home> In-Reply-To: <000d01c41bd4$83b3ec80$5c605fc1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200404061530.10884.fjrm4@yahoo.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no ack because of the proactive nature of OLSR: it does not matter= if=20 a control message is not received by a neighbor as there will be a new=20 transmission shortly. Regards, Francisco Ros El Martes, 6 de Abril de 2004 14:41, Wala Turki Latrous escribi=F3: > Is there any type of ack in OLSR (i.e when we send a HELLO, TC or MID > message, how can we sure that they rich the other nodes?) _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 7 00:43:09 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA10932 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BB4td-0002t9-8v for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:42:43 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i374gfH2011104 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:42:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BB4tc-0002t1-VL for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:42:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA10876 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BB4ta-0007WI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:42:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BB4AP-0000az-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:55:58 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BB2m6-0000i5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:26:46 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BB2WF-0003NG-UY for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:10:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BB2P7-0004kM-Uc; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:03:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BB2OX-0004hJ-DP for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:02:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA25191 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:02:21 -0400 (EDT) From: roger_berg@denso-diam.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BB2OU-0005M7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:02:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BB1eK-0006lo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:14:41 -0400 Received: from savgw1.denso-diam.com ([209.69.34.74]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BB0Vi-0007fF-00; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:01:42 -0400 Received: from domino.denso-diam.com ([10.72.36.140]) by savgw1.denso-diam.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.3.37) with SMTP id M2004040620005125910 ; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:00:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [manet] where in the real life... 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Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41CC2.B2826660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all users, I am a graduate student and I am doing research in the area of sensor networks. I downloaded GloMoSim to assist in simulation. I have modified some of the code and compiled and ran GloMoSim in WIN xp. Next the errors are happened in the process of compile. : : >call pcc -user_main -Zi -Ox -I..\include\ -clock longlong -o ..\bin\glomosim driver.pc temp.lib tmp-2328-0.c driver.init.c temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _AppDataSvcUnicastInitAsServer temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _AppDataSvcUnicastInitAsClient temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _AppUpdateFloodInitAsServer temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _AppUpdateFloodInitAsClient temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _AppDataSvcInitAsServer : : Can you please help me resolve this error or give me some suggestions? Any replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a nice day, gcyoo ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41CC2.B2826660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all users,=

 =

I am a graduate student and I am doing = research in the area of sensor networks.  I downloaded GloMoSim to assist in simulation.  I have modified some of the code and = compiled and ran GloMoSim in WIN xp. 

Next the errors are happened in the = process of compile.

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 >call pcc -user_main -Zi  = -Ox    -I..\include\ = -clock longlong -o = ..\bin\glomosim driver.pc = temp.lib

tmp-2328-0.c

driver.init.c

temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external = symbol _AppDataSvcUnicastInitAsServer

temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external = symbol _AppDataSvcUnicastInitAsClient

temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external = symbol _AppUpdateFloodInitAsServer=

temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external = symbol _AppUpdateFloodInitAsClient=

temp.lib(application.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external = symbol _AppDataSvcInitAsServer

=

 :

:=

Can you please help me resolve this error = or give me some suggestions?  Any replies will be greatly = appreciated.

 

Thanks and have a nice = day,

 =

gcyoo

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41CC2.B2826660-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 7 13:22:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14413 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBGkM-0003Io-Qc for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:21:57 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i37HLsIG012689 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:21:54 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBGkM-0003Ia-Lh for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:21:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14318 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBGkK-0000Mp-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:21:52 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBFWw-0005by-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:03:59 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBE8N-0004tr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:34:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBE1H-00005i-Bl; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:27:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBE0X-0008Q9-Db for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:26:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28811 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBE0V-00040I-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:26:23 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBDMS-00060U-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:45:00 -0400 Received: from mail.unrwa.org ([194.165.152.246] helo=hqa-fe02.unrwa.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBCBy-0005sC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:30:06 -0400 Received: from hqa-mail01.unrwa.org ([10.1.0.22]) by hqa-fe02.unrwa.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:29:05 +0200 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:29:05 +0200 Message-ID: <03012E20A557E94994F5C2CF7EE16F7D01D303C4@hqa-mail01.unrwa.org> Thread-Topic: [manet] Ad hoc routing protocols -Testbed codes thread-index: AcPAsq/pOlagTgMhSfCcX9Ge3QZi0BXRhnVw From: "MURAD, Ayman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2004 13:29:05.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C80CBE0:01C41CA4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Implementation of ABR on NS2 and Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! Does anyone know how to implement Associativity-Based Routing Protocols = (ABR) using ns-2 or Glomosim? Is the ABR source code for use in ns-2 or Glomosim available? Thank you very much =20 Ayman Murad _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 7 18:24:02 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17687 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBLSI-0001sU-59 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:23:35 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i37MNXRg007214 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:23:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBLSG-0001sF-FB for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:23:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17674 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBLSD-00070i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:23:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBKEA-00037Y-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:04:56 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBIDZ-0005sw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:56:09 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBHzJ-0003V0-A1 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:41:25 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBHyw-0001Zq-TS; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBHy8-0007pi-3k for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:40:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA24907 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBHy5-00042N-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:40:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBH1d-0002uy-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:39:46 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBG0b-000110-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:34:37 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2004 09:44:13 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mchandra-u10.cisco.com (mchandra-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.252]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i37GY4CC026885; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (mchandra@localhost) by mchandra-u10.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) id i37GY4x19648; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:34:04 -0400 From: "Madhavi W. Chandra" To: "Henderson, Thomas R" Cc: "Charles E.Perkins" , Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft Message-ID: <20040407163404.GD19607@cisco.com> References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Tom and Charlie, I agree with most of Tom's responses...see one comment at the end. Charlie, can you please forward the editorial comments that you had. Thanks, Madhavi On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 08:09:17PM -0800, Henderson, Thomas R wrote: > Charlie, > thanks for your comments (responses inline) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles E.Perkins [mailto:charliep@iprg.nokia.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:28 PM > > To: Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group > > Subject: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF > > Extensions ..." > > draft > > > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > During the recent meeting, the abovementioned draft > > was discussed. The draft has been submitted for a > > long time, but after finally reading the draft, and > > motivated by the recent WG discussion, I have a few > > comments. > > > > - In section 2.1, it is stated that mobility makes > > the use of directional antennas into a pointless > > exercise. There are numerous studies that conclude > > otherwise. It seems likely that, given sufficient > > justification, a workable system can be built. > > Whether or not the additional cost is justified > > compared to other expenses is debatable. Overall, > > however, I would say that "pointless" is far too > > strong an adjective in this sentence. > > agreed-- maybe "difficult" instead > > > > > - In section 2.3, the acronym "VC" is left undefined. > > virtual circuit > > > > > - In section 2.5, the misconception is promulgated > > that receiving takes less power than transmitting. > > While it is typically true per message, the fact is > > that receiving is often more power-consuming > > when the receiver has to be always powered up. > > In contrast, typically the transmitter can be > > powered down during most of the timm. > > agreed, although the point that power management is a > concern is still applicable (but this should be reworded) > > > > > - In section 2.7, if a node's ability to support new > > neighbors is exhausted, then one can truly say that > > the number of neighbors is numerically limited, > > so that the nodal degree is limited. Said another > > way, geographic proximity may not result in network > > adjacency. > > agreed (I don't think you are arguing the text?). > Fred Baker's "outsider's view of MANET" draft explored > the possibility of limiting the nodal degree. > > > > > - In section 2.8, replace "should not thrash" by > > "should avoid thrashing" > > > > - In section 2.9, last paragraph: the suggested > > strategy requires too much binding between a node's > > IPv4 addressability and its IPv6 addressability. > > This issue may not need solution in this document > > anyway. In fact, I question the need for binding > > even separate network interfaces to the same nodal > > identifier, but again that is a separate issue. > > This section alludes to a draft in the OSPF WG suggesting > that multiple addressing families could be supported by > a single protocol (OSPFv3). The point is that, if we > are doing ad hoc routing at layer 3, we should concern > ourselves with handling both v4 and v6 efficiently. > > > > > - Section 2.10 gets to the heart of a crucial > > problem. I would suggest that it be taken as > > a requirement to outfit the OSPF implementations > > so that unreliable flooding is acceptable, > > otherwise I just don't believe the solution > > will be scalable. > > > > I agree with you that this is a crucial problem, and the > way that this is solved is going to affect the > scalability. Agreed. And, as Tom pointed out on another email thread, the debate over reliable vs. unreliable flooding will really depend on the mobility scenario. It seems intuitive that unreliable flooding will 'outperform' reliable flooding in a highly mobile environment...and probably the opposite in a relatively low mobility environment where periodic signaling seems excessive. In any case, as we know performance is not just the overhead. It is a tradeoff that will be governed by the network scenario. We can change the wording to indicate as such. -Madhavi > Our studies have indicated that flooding is by far the > dominant contributor to overhead. We have looked at > a number of the proposals for reliable but optimized > flooding, and found that they can improve the situation, > but a reduction in overhead by half seems to be a rough > bound on the achievable improvement. However, in some > highly mobile environments, unreliable flooding does > significantly better (order of magnitude) than reliable > flooding. > > We'll put out a draft on this topic shortly, but suffice > it to say that reliable flooding doesn't seem capable of > approaching the overhead reduction offered by unreliable > flooding, as mobility increases. > > But whether or not a reliable flooding protocol can be > scalable or not scalable is debatable. "Doesn't scale" > is frequently a dismissive term that is not qualified > enough. The working group may decide that, in the case > of OSPF, it is willing to trade some scalability to > retain reliable (but optimized) flooding. The design > decision that I believe is the true non-starter is to > decide a priori that OSPF flooding should not be optimized, > period. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 7 18:44:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18952 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBLm3-0006wX-Pn for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:59 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i37MhxId026689 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:43:59 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBLm3-0006wL-C4 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18907 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBLm0-0001N5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:56 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBKVU-0006DG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:22:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBIqK-0001bP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:36:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBIqA-0000Ga-P2; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:36:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBIpE-00005i-Ql for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:35:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28445 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBIpD-0001V9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:35:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBHLF-0006XV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:00:03 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBGYQ-00062H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:09:34 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id i37H8EE02589; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:08:14 -0700 X-mProtect: <200404071708> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from charliep.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdvPTCiz; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:08:12 PDT Message-ID: <40743571.CEC30DAB@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:08:01 -0700 From: "Charles E.Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Madhavi W. Chandra" CC: "Henderson, Thomas R" , Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <20040407163404.GD19607@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Madhavi, Long time, no see! >>> == me, >> == Tom > == Madhavi "Madhavi W. Chandra" wrote: > I agree with most of Tom's responses...see one comment at the end. Sounds like we are all three in basic agreement here... > Charlie, can you please forward the editorial comments that you had. I'll type them in separately, but if I forget to send them please remind me because this is one of those weeks. In my comments below, I also discuss some of Tom's points a bit more. >>> - In section 2.1, it is stated that mobility makes >>> the use of directional antennas into a pointless >>> exercise. ........... >>> I would say that "pointless" is far too >>> strong an adjective in this sentence. >> >> agreed-- maybe "difficult" instead Judging from later discussion, I would suggest that "more expensive" is about the most pejorative term one might truthfully use here. >>> - In section 2.5, the misconception is promulgated >>> that receiving takes less power than transmitting. >>> While it is typically true per message, the fact is >>> that receiving is often more power-consuming >>> when the receiver has to be always powered up. >>> In contrast, typically the transmitter can be >>> powered down during most of the timm. >> >> agreed, although the point that power management is a >> concern is still applicable (but this should be reworded) Certainly, power management is crucial, and for the most part overlooked in [manet] development up until now. However, there are many interesting results we could try to incorporate. Moreover, this has a strong interaction with flooding strategies. >>> - In section 2.9, last paragraph: the suggested >>> strategy requires too much binding between a node's >>> IPv4 addressability and its IPv6 addressability. >>> This issue may not need solution in this document >>> anyway. In fact, I question the need for binding >>> even separate network interfaces to the same nodal >>> identifier, but again that is a separate issue. >> >> This section alludes to a draft in the OSPF WG suggesting >> that multiple addressing families could be supported by >> a single protocol (OSPFv3). The point is that, if we >> are doing ad hoc routing at layer 3, we should concern >> ourselves with handling both v4 and v6 efficiently. Agreed -- but it does not necessarily imply a close binding of those addresses _as part of the routing protocol_ > ... the debate > over reliable vs. unreliable flooding will really depend on the > mobility scenario. It seems intuitive that unreliable flooding will > 'outperform' reliable flooding in a highly mobile environment... Check. > and > probably the opposite in a relatively low mobility environment where > periodic signaling seems excessive. You seem to mean that (a) reliable flooding can outperform unreliable flooding in a low- (or zero-!) mobility environment, which is within the realm of imagination. Then the next clause would mean that in low-mobility environments periodic advertisements are excessive, which also sounds reasonable if you mean that they aren't needed since likely nothing has changed. But, in context it means that OSPF is both more likely to succeed and yet burdened with excessive signaling in a low mobility environment. In fact, I could even agree, after more investigation, with both parts, but I was not sure it was what you meant. Furthermore, while it is within the realm of imagination that reliable flooding can outperform unreliable flooding in low-mobility scenarios, it is by no means certain, and probably depends a lot on other features of the algorithms doing the flooding. I thought that the _only_ reason for even considering reliable flooding was because that was what OSPF already did. > In any case, as we know > performance is not just the overhead. It is a tradeoff that will be > governed by the network scenario. We can change the wording to > indicate as such. Do you think it's acceptable to equip OSPF with extensions that presume reliable flooding even when that strategy is likely to place stringent limits on the how fast the nodes are "allowed" to move? >> But whether or not a reliable flooding protocol can be >> scalable or not scalable is debatable. "Doesn't scale" >> is frequently a dismissive term that is not qualified >> enough. That's true, but I make a very intentional effort to avoid such dismissive uses. Even scalability isn't important unless one's protocol is intended to be applicable to large-scale deployments, according to whatever parameter you want to make large (often the number of nodes, but could also be the amount of traffic or number of flows). >> The working group may decide that, in the case >> of OSPF, it is willing to trade some scalability to >> retain reliable (but optimized) flooding. "Reliable" does not equal "optimized", except unless all the signaling overhead is counted and it is indeed optimal. Furthermore, "optimized" is subject to the same abuse as "scalable", and both really need to be put in good context in order to be truly understood. >> The design >> decision that I believe is the true non-starter is to >> decide a priori that OSPF flooding should not be optimized, >> period. I am sure I agree with this statement, but I also admit I was wondering what motivated it. 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Here the throughput refers to throughput of the queue at the node ( the bytes successful transmitted in proportion to the bytes that have arrived at the queue). Is this assumption reasonable and realistic? Thanks a lot! Bin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 02:11:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA08472 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBSkV-00052I-Si for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:10:52 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i386ApTw019354 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:10:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBSkV-000521-5l for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:10:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA07956 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBSkR-0006kG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:10:47 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRNJ-0000Dg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:42:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBOlW-0000ld-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:55:38 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBOl6-0002QG-RO; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:55:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBOki-0001xO-KA for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:54:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA06438 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBOkf-0000av-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBNWC-0003QH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:35:45 -0400 Received: from pophost.cs.tamu.edu ([128.194.138.12] helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBLCC-00052O-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:06:56 -0400 Received: from unix.cs.tamu.edu (unix.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.13]) by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i37M6kUi019156 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:06:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (b0l4549@localhost) by unix.cs.tamu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i37M6kO21279 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:06:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: unix.cs.tamu.edu: b0l4549 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:06:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Bin Lu To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] throughput in saturated neighborhood In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Sorry, the throughput should be "data transfer rate"(bps) instead of the proportion of delivered packets. And here I'm considering the case that there is always packet in the queue waiting for delivery. On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Bin Lu wrote: > > For a saturated neighborhood in ad hoc network (which means the > channel has been busy, and all the idle time only results from backoff), > can I assume throughput is fairly evenly distributed in the neighborhood, > that is, the throughputs of different nodes are almost the same. > Here the throughput refers to throughput of the queue at the node ( the > bytes successful transmitted in proportion to the bytes that have arrived > at the queue). > > Is this assumption reasonable and realistic? Thanks a lot! > > Bin > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 04:41:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20380 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBV5s-0003oP-DG for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:41:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i388f4Uq014654 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:41:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBV5s-0003oH-19 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:41:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20182 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBV5p-0005Dd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:41:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBSdn-0005x6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:03:56 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRK7-0007gj-02 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:39:31 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBRFx-0006Uv-K8 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:35:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBRFm-0006cL-DL; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:35:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBRF8-0006JS-Ti for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:34:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14341 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 00:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRF6-00078k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:34:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBOhr-00000z-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:51:52 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.242.24] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBNPD-0002XR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:28:31 -0400 Received: From [192.168.0.100] ([129.94.173.78] == sitcrc.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) (for ) (for ) (for ) By note With Smtp ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:28:22 +1000 From: Justin Lipman To: manet@ietf.org Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:28:21 +1000 Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: CRC-SIT Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 Cc: "Charles E.Perkins" , "Madhavi W. Chandra" , "Henderson, Thomas R" References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <20040407163404.GD19607@cisco.com> <40743571.CEC30DAB@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <40743571.CEC30DAB@iprg.nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404081028.21632.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:08 am, Charles E.Perkins wrote: > I thought that the _only_ reason for even considering > reliable flooding was because that was what OSPF already > did. Charles, What is your definition of "reliable" flooding? Blind flooding can be seen as reliable and my own work shows it performs very well (if one ignores the broadcast storm). Sadly, MPR and other optimised flooding algorithms do not perform well at all! Kind regards, Justin -- Research Associate Smart Internet Technology Cooperative Research Centre http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 04:41:41 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20438 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBV60-0003qG-MA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:41:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i388fCbJ014764 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:41:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBV60-0003q3-D4 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:41:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA20241 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBV5x-0005FG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:41:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBSe4-0005zZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:04:13 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRKA-0007gj-03 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:39:34 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBRDz-0006Tn-1W for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:33:11 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBR5M-0002wU-0b; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:24:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBQ7z-0008BM-Al for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:22:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11417 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBQ7x-0000to-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:22:53 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBOHK-0003jW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:24:27 -0400 Received: from smtp1.voila.fr ([193.252.22.174] helo=mwinf4002.voila.fr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBMeU-0005vq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:40:15 -0400 Received: from wwinf4006 (wwinf4006 [172.22.157.33]) by mwinf4002.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7A46E180055D for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <25363125.1081381179493.JavaMail.www@wwinf4006> From: "samir.chihi" Reply-To: samir.chihi@voila.fr To: manet@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] capturing node motion Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Can a node with frequent changes of its neighborhood, detect that it is in motion? Best regards Smir ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 05:21:09 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23699 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBViD-0007Wv-B3 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:20:42 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i389KfjT028944 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:20:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBViD-0007Wl-2U for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:20:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23607 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBVi9-0002GB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:20:37 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBTCF-0001op-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:39:32 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRba-0002gz-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:57:34 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBRbV-0000dj-V7 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:57:30 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBRXG-0004Yr-GM; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:53:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBRWW-0004Sg-1M for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:52:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA16655 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 00:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRWT-0001n1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:52:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBP5L-0002ie-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:16:08 -0400 Received: from exstudent9.city.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.84.78]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBNfd-00057o-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:45:29 -0400 Received: by exstudent9.city.unisa.edu.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:15:27 +0930 Message-ID: <329F3E3CDCDD9C4E91AA1CE184942ED101AC860F@exstudenta.city.unisa.edu.au> From: "Liaw, Yong Shyang - LIAYS001" To: "'Bin Lu'" , manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] throughput in saturated neighborhood Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:15:17 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 This is true only if you have the traffic evenly ditributed among the nodes. A typical ad-hoc routing which prefers the shortest-path such as DSR, the nodes at the center tends to get more traffic (and hence hot-spots). -----Original Message----- From: Bin Lu [mailto:b0l4549@cs.tamu.edu] Sent: Thursday, 8 April 2004 3:48 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] throughput in saturated neighborhood For a saturated neighborhood in ad hoc network (which means the channel has been busy, and all the idle time only results from backoff), can I assume throughput is fairly evenly distributed in the neighborhood, that is, the throughputs of different nodes are almost the same. Here the throughput refers to throughput of the queue at the node ( the bytes successful transmitted in proportion to the bytes that have arrived at the queue). Is this assumption reasonable and realistic? Thanks a lot! Bin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 06:49:16 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA06633 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 06:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBX5W-0005Ii-10 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:48:50 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38AmohY020372 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 06:48:50 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBX5V-0005IV-Rw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:48:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA06437 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 06:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBX5R-0000gW-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:48:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBVbA-0001FF-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:13:25 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBSzs-0000fZ-04 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:26:45 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBSms-0008TT-RR for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:13:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBSmf-0006OT-FR; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:13:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBSmO-0006Fe-F8 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:12:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09877 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBSmK-00078O-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:12:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRTS-0001FW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:49:11 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBOxL-0001xB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:07:51 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id i3827DP11607; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:07:13 -0700 X-mProtect: <200404080207> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from danira-pool054229.americas.nokia.com (10.241.54.229, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdWxLlSk; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:07:09 PDT Message-ID: <4074B3BE.8040804@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:06:54 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <20040407163404.GD19607@cisco.com> <40743571.CEC30DAB@iprg.nokia.com> <200404081028.21632.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <200404081028.21632.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Justin, Your observation is very important to understanding how to improve MPR flooding. We have, indeed, measured a drop in packet delivery ratio when the number of broadcasts is kept to the theoretical minimum. This occurs because broadcasts are not reliable, and when some are lost during MPR flooding their absence is more damaging than with blind flooding (I assume not totally blind!). More comments inline below... Justin Lipman wrote: >What is your definition of "reliable" flooding? > > I thought it meant that a broadcast source gets an acknowledgement from each of its neighbors that its broadcast was received. This acknowledgement can come in various forms, of course. If I am using the term in some way that is not compatible with the discussion about OSPF extensions, I hope someone will tell me what the correct meaning should be. >Blind flooding can be seen as reliable and my own work shows it performs very well (if one ignores the broadcast storm). > Why is it legitimate to ignore the broadcast storm? That's the entire motivation anyway for trying to create a better broadcast mechanism. Congestion due to broadcast can significantly degrade packet delivery ratios in many scenarios. > Sadly, MPR and other optimised >flooding algorithms do not perform well at all! > > I thought it depended on the scenario! Regards, Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 07:27:00 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07799 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBXfy-0005GE-AB for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:26:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38BQUam020222 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:26:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBXfy-0005G5-04 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:26:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07759 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBXfx-0003lC-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:26:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBVp5-0003Z5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:27:49 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBTSI-0003IT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:56:06 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBTSD-0002nk-Bz; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:56:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBTRw-0002n8-MF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:55:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA14222 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBTRs-0003GW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:55:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBRhA-0003wO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:03:22 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.242.24] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBPXS-000626-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:45:10 -0400 Received: From [192.168.0.100] ([129.94.173.78] == sitcrc.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) (for ) By note With Smtp ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:45:06 +1000 From: Justin Lipman To: "Charles E. Perkins" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:45:06 +1000 Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: CRC-SIT Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 Cc: manet@ietf.org References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <200404081028.21632.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> <4074B3BE.8040804@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <4074B3BE.8040804@iprg.nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404081245.06168.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Charles, > Your observation is very important to understanding > how to improve MPR flooding. We have, indeed, > measured a drop in packet delivery ratio when the > number of broadcasts is kept to the theoretical > minimum. This occurs because broadcasts are not > reliable, and when some are lost during MPR flooding > their absence is more damaging than with blind flooding > (I assume not totally blind!). Very true... I have some results in the following paper which shows the performance of Blind flooding, MPR, LMST Flooding and a reliable variant of RMST that utilises unicast transmission instead of less reliable broadcast transmission. http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~justinl/rmst.pdf This approach takes optimisation to the extreme using MST and is probably not acceptable for route discovery in reactive routing protocols. Also it places much emphasis on transmission power control. However, for a proactive routing protocol like OLSR where link state dissemination is the requirement, it may be most applicable. We have a paper in preparation which looks at ways of improving MPR reliability for use in both reactive and proactive routing protocols. Ill be happy to send that to you once its ready. > >What is your definition of "reliable" flooding? > > I thought it meant that a broadcast source gets an acknowledgement > from each of its neighbors that its broadcast was received. This > acknowledgement can come in various forms, of course. If I am > using the term in some way that is not compatible with the discussion > about OSPF extensions, I hope someone will tell me what the correct > meaning should be. Im not sure either if its compatible with the OSPF extensions as I havent kept up with that. Im interested to know though. However, my definition of "reliable flooding" is that the message being flooded is delivered to as many nodes as possible. This is irrespective of local acknowledgement of received packets. For example Wei Lou's work: http://www.cse.fau.edu/~wlou/publications.htm W. Lou and J. Wu, Double-Covered Broadcast (DCB): A Simple Reliable Broadcast Algorithm in MANETs, accepted to appear in Proc. of IEEE Conf. on Computer Communications (INFOCOM 2004), Hong Kong, China, April, 2004. W. Lou and J. Wu, A Reliable Broadcast Algorithm with Selected Acknowledgements in Mobile Ad Hoc Networks, Proc. of IEEE 2003 Global Communications Conference (GLOBECOM 2003), San Francisco, California, USA, December, 2003. > >Blind flooding can be seen as reliable and my own work shows it performs > > very well (if one ignores the broadcast storm). > > Why is it legitimate to ignore the broadcast storm? That's the > entire motivation anyway for trying to create a better broadcast > mechanism. Congestion due to broadcast can significantly > degrade packet delivery ratios in many scenarios. I "dont" think it is legitimate to ignore the broadcast storm. I was just saying if one were to ignore the broadcast storm problem then Blind flooding does provide very reliable packet delivery as shown in my paper. My approach, RMST, addresses the broadcast storm problem and has comparable reliability to blind flooding (in terms of packet delivery). > > Sadly, MPR and other optimised > >flooding algorithms do not perform well at all! > > I thought it depended on the scenario! Hmmm... not sure what you mean? In my paper I introduced increasing CBR traffic into the network from 3 source destination pairs. The optimised approaches performed very badly. Blind flooding performed very well as did RMST. I can think of two scenarios: - If there is heavy network load (traffic) the packet loss in the network increases, resulting in reduced packet delivery by the optimised flooding mechanism. - If nodes are mobile and the neighbour information being used is outdated this may lead to bad rebroadcast decisions by the optimised flooding mechanism, possibly resulting in reduced packet delivery. Examples of this are nodes being selected as rebroadcasting node, or in self-selecting approaches nodes not selecting themselves to rebroadcast... Gezzz ad hoc networks are a fascinating problem! :-) Kind regards, Justin -- Research Associate Smart Internet Technology Cooperative Research Centre http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 13:39:17 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07187 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBdUF-0004wv-7t for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:38:48 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38Hcln5019025 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:38:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBdUF-0004wl-3J for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:38:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07095 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdUC-0004Wd-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:38:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBaze-0003ch-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:59:03 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBYuU-0003Vy-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:45:34 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBYu2-0007Sn-Ht; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:45:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBYtd-0007LI-Fd for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:44:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12420 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBYtb-0003Sr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:44:39 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBWaR-0003v3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:16:44 -0400 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBUr8-0003gS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:25:51 -0400 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i388NUTC018693 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:23:34 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HVU008IGFC6IT@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:24:08 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B4124726D; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:25:38 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:25:38 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [manet] capturing node motion In-reply-to: <25363125.1081381179493.JavaMail.www@wwinf4006> To: "samir.chihi" Cc: manet@ietf.org Mail-followup-to: "samir.chihi" , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <20040408082538.GA20288@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <25363125.1081381179493.JavaMail.www@wwinf4006> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: ""samir.chihi" " Date: Thu, 08 Apr, 2004 07:39 SGT Subject: [manet] capturing node motion > Hello all, > > Can a node with frequent changes of its neighborhood, detect that it is in motion? Are you saying, frequent changes in neighbourhood implies motion? I can think of at least three cases where change in neighbourhood is not due to node own motion. - Surrounding nodes are in motion. (while you are static) - New nodes turn on, and others off. - Radio interference, causing intermittent SNR fluctuations. 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The University of Texas at Arlington PO Box19015, Arlington TX 76120 Phone +1(817) 272 3610 Fax :+1 (817) 272 3784 E-mail: kumar@cse.uta.edu _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 18:35:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03131 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBi7H-0006wt-Fp for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:35:23 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38MZNVm026707 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:35:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBi7B-0006wW-Og for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:35:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03011 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBi77-0006Kw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:35:13 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBgAK-0006wm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:30:27 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdHR-00036B-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:25:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBdH2-00015J-C7; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:25:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBdGX-00012R-1I for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:24:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05235 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Francois.PAUL@fr.thalesgroup.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdGU-00031D-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:24:34 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBaZH-0000NE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:31:47 -0400 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBYH6-0007Yz-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:04:52 -0400 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 405B04BB00278A1B for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:03:01 +0200 Received: from tccplex.tcc.thomson-csf.com ([200.3.1.11]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:03:20 +0200 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (146.11.5.4) by tccplex.tcc.thomson-csf.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4073D03E0000813A; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0200 Received: by NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:03:15 +0200 Message-ID: <66CE949D18BCB249ABE8D9AF48C4F1CE2D48E9@helios.clb.tcfr.thales> To: samir.chihi@voila.fr Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] capturing node motion Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:04:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just think about a "mobile" node standing near a highway, with other = mobile nodes attached to cars passing by (in both directions !) ... What could deduce the standing node from the "frequent changes" it may detect ? FP -----Message d'origine----- De : samir.chihi [mailto:samir.chihi@voila.fr] Envoy=E9 : jeudi 8 avril 2004 01:40 =C0 : manet@ietf.org Objet : [manet] capturing node motion Hello all, Can a node with frequent changes of its neighborhood, detect that it is = in motion? Best regards Smir ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 18:43:24 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03946 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiEb-0008HX-7g for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:42:58 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38MgvPj031831 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:42:57 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiEU-0008Ej-4I for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:42:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03874 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiEQ-00072i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:42:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBgIr-0000bu-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:39:15 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdXF-0004sR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:41:53 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBdPr-0001ZF-Ih for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:34:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBdPh-0003Di-Pe; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:34:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBdPX-00038Q-TJ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:33:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06402 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdPU-0003pF-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:33:52 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBasZ-0002ex-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:51:44 -0400 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.117] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBYkt-0002S7-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:35:40 -0400 Received: from [128.240.149.114] (deerbook.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.149.114]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1-20030918-patch/8.10.1) with ESMTP id i38CWxD11855; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:32:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200404081245.06168.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <200404081028.21632.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> <4074B3BE.8040804@iprg.nokia.com> <200404081245.06168.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Thomas R Henderson , Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group From: Einar Vollset Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:32:58 +0100 To: "Charles E. Perkins" , Justin Lipman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Postmaster@newcastle.ac.uk for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: einar.vollset@ncl.ac.uk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] Reliability. Was: Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > However, my definition of "reliable flooding" is that the message being > flooded is delivered to as many nodes as possible. This is > irrespective of > local acknowledgement of received packets I disagree. I believe a "reliable" protocol has to involve acknowledgments on some level. A protocol which doesn't include some sort of acknowledgment from the receivers, cannot provide any guarantees of delivery: It can only increase the average packet delivery ratio. The difference is subtle, but important. The work by Wei and Lou is a case in point: Their work is good at increasing the packet delivery ratio while keeping the transmission overhead low, but can only provide delivery guarantees to those nodes included in the CDS and which are as a result required to send an acknowledgment (which may, of course, be a passive acknowledgment). The fact that each node which is not required to acknowledge is covered by 2 nodes which are, only increases the likelihood that those nodes will receive the packet, it does not provide a guarantee that they do so. This is analogous to me attempting to tell my brother that his jacket is on fire; unless he acknowledges that he has heard me (by say, taking his jacket off), I cannot know if he has heard me, no matter how many times I tell him. Of course, you might be satisfied with increasing the average packet delivery ratio to a certain level, given the nature of the MANET environment, but using a protocol which does not provide any delivery guarantees implies that the sending node cannot reason about which nodes have received it, so it might have to periodically broadcast an important message. This is the natural trade-off between unreliable and (possibly more costly) reliable broadcast/multicast/whatever protocols. Cheers, Einar ---------------------------------------- Einar Vollset PhD Student School of Computing Science University of Newcastle, UK http://vollset.org ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 19:13:11 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06493 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBihP-0004Fu-Ff for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:12:43 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38NChsi016350 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:12:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBihP-0004Fa-9O for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:12:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06367 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBihM-0002N3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:12:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiCn-0006vI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:41:06 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBgHU-0000NA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:37:48 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBgHP-0003bB-Sg for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:37:44 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBgGn-0008VC-L3; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:37:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBgGX-0008RW-FH for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:36:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA20700 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:36:46 -0400 (EDT) From: nbb2@njit.edu Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBgGU-0000Cl-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:36:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdV1-0004fk-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:39:36 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBbUw-0005by-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:31:22 -0400 Received: from mail.njit.edu ([128.235.251.173] helo=mail-gw5.njit.edu) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBb8U-0005Rv-Ir for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:08:10 -0400 Received: from webmail.njit.edu (webmail.njit.edu [128.235.251.121]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i38F7NBD012003 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail.njit.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) id i38F7N100495 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:07:23 -0400 (EDT) To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: <1081436843.40756aabe0a49@webmail.njit.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:07:23 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 128.235.203.48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] OPNET code for Geodesic packet forwarding Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I am doing my Masters project on ad-hoc routing and intend to build a routing algorithm using geodesic packet forwarding as the base. I wanted to find out if any one can provide me with the OPNET code for Geodesic packet forwarding. I will be very greatful for any help provided. Thanks, Nithin ------------- New Jersey Institute of Technology www.nitboss.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 19:14:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06718 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiim-0004bT-TZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:14:09 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i38NE8s1017687 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:14:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiil-0004bB-K3 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:14:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06635 for ; 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Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:17:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBeHX-0001nM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:29:47 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBbXY-0005yj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:34:04 -0400 Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.32.69]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBafZ-0001To-KX for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:38:17 -0400 Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com ([192.42.227.216]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id HAA16743; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-02) with ESMTP id HAA10259; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by stl-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id i38EZgQ05034; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:35:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NW-27.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.101]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:35:04 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6521.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:35:03 -0700 Message-ID: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C04060567@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft Thread-Index: AcQdI9tNjraakEPTRo+WpK+5C/R5NgAUE2QQ From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: Cc: "Charles E.Perkins" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2004 14:35:04.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE847800:01C41D76] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 >=20 > On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:08 am, Charles E.Perkins wrote: > > I thought that the _only_ reason for even considering > > reliable flooding was because that was what OSPF already > > did. > I think that there are a few possible reasons, aside from sticking with existing mechanisms for the sake of consistency: i) reliable flooding can reduce the total protocol overhead in low mobility situations. Note that in the case of the hybrid wired-wireless network, there may be a large number of LSAs from the wired portion of the OSPF area that do not change frequently, even if the wireless mobility is high. ii) sometimes there is a need to flush out an LSA from the area, and this is difficult to do with unreliable flooding because the LSA disappears from the originator's database. iii) reliable flooding could potentially make the routing more correct, if the timescale for recovering lost LSAs due to a reliability mechanism were shorter than the timescale for recovering via periodic repetition=20 Tom _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 20:04:11 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA12972 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjUk-0000nX-Ri for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:03:43 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3903gbX003063 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:03:42 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjUk-0000nF-9a for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:03:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA12886 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBjUi-0000Uw-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:03:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBidU-0001pt-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:08:43 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBhZV-00023x-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:00:29 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBhZ6-0004VX-DO; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:00:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBhYz-0004UL-Ur for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:59:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA29575 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBhYw-000208-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:59:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBfXn-0001RY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:50:36 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBcTR-0005Zj-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:33:53 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2004 09:43:38 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mchandra-u10.cisco.com (mchandra-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.252]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i38GXBcp007848; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (mchandra@localhost) by mchandra-u10.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) id i38GX6C20205; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:33:06 -0400 From: "Madhavi W. Chandra" To: "Charles E.Perkins" Cc: "Madhavi W. Chandra" , "Henderson, Thomas R" , Mobile Ad Hoc IETF working group Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft Message-ID: <20040408163306.GG20145@cisco.com> References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <20040407163404.GD19607@cisco.com> <40743571.CEC30DAB@iprg.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40743571.CEC30DAB@iprg.nokia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi Charlie, On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:08:01AM -0700, Charles E.Perkins wrote: > > Hello Madhavi, > > Long time, no see! I know! I trust all is well. > >>> == me, > >> == Tom > > == Madhavi > > "Madhavi W. Chandra" wrote: > > > I agree with most of Tom's responses...see one comment at the end. > > Sounds like we are all three in basic agreement here... Yes, for the most part I think so. > > Charlie, can you please forward the editorial comments that you had. > > I'll type them in separately, but if I forget to send them please > remind me because this is one of those weeks. OK...thanks! > In my comments below, I also discuss some of Tom's points > a bit more. > > >>> - In section 2.1, it is stated that mobility makes > >>> the use of directional antennas into a pointless > >>> exercise. ........... > >>> I would say that "pointless" is far too > >>> strong an adjective in this sentence. > >> > >> agreed-- maybe "difficult" instead > > Judging from later discussion, I would suggest that > "more expensive" is about the most pejorative term > one might truthfully use here. > > >>> - In section 2.5, the misconception is promulgated > >>> that receiving takes less power than transmitting. > >>> While it is typically true per message, the fact is > >>> that receiving is often more power-consuming > >>> when the receiver has to be always powered up. > >>> In contrast, typically the transmitter can be > >>> powered down during most of the timm. > >> > >> agreed, although the point that power management is a > >> concern is still applicable (but this should be reworded) > > Certainly, power management is crucial, and for > the most part overlooked in [manet] development > up until now. However, there are many interesting > results we could try to incorporate. Moreover, this > has a strong interaction with flooding strategies. > > >>> - In section 2.9, last paragraph: the suggested > >>> strategy requires too much binding between a node's > >>> IPv4 addressability and its IPv6 addressability. > >>> This issue may not need solution in this document > >>> anyway. In fact, I question the need for binding > >>> even separate network interfaces to the same nodal > >>> identifier, but again that is a separate issue. > >> > >> This section alludes to a draft in the OSPF WG suggesting > >> that multiple addressing families could be supported by > >> a single protocol (OSPFv3). The point is that, if we > >> are doing ad hoc routing at layer 3, we should concern > >> ourselves with handling both v4 and v6 efficiently. > > Agreed -- but it does not necessarily imply a close binding > of those addresses _as part of the routing protocol_ > > > ... the debate > > over reliable vs. unreliable flooding will really depend on the > > mobility scenario. It seems intuitive that unreliable flooding will > > 'outperform' reliable flooding in a highly mobile environment... > > Check. > > > and > > probably the opposite in a relatively low mobility environment where > > periodic signaling seems excessive. > > You seem to mean that (a) reliable flooding can outperform > unreliable flooding in a low- (or zero-!) mobility > environment, which is within the realm of imagination. Then > the next clause would mean that in low-mobility environments > periodic advertisements are excessive, which also sounds > reasonable if you mean that they aren't needed since likely > nothing has changed. But, in context it means that OSPF is > both more likely to succeed and yet burdened with excessive > signaling in a low mobility environment. In fact, I could > even agree, after more investigation, with both parts, but > I was not sure it was what you meant. Sorry. What I mean is that in low mobility environments, reliable event driven signaling seems more productive than periodic signaling since likely nothing has changed. The point is that the performance of reliable vs. unreliable will depend on the dynamic nature of the network. And, for unreliable flooding...the flooding period. > Furthermore, while it is within the realm of imagination > that reliable flooding can outperform unreliable flooding > in low-mobility scenarios, it is by no means certain, and > probably depends a lot on other features of the algorithms > doing the flooding. > > I thought that the _only_ reason for even considering > reliable flooding was because that was what OSPF already > did. I wouldn't say that. Reliable event-driven flooding has its merits in performance as well. In high mobility, frequent period flooding would be needed to avoid packet loss and low throughput...so the overhead may be justified. But, the same frequency will unnecessarily consume bandwidth in low mobility scenarios. Even with a dynamic flooding period, it is not instantaneous, so I'm not clear on what happens while in flux. I can imagine that in low mobility, you have a 'large' flooding period to reduce the unnecessary overhead. If the network becomes highly dynamic before the flooding period catches up, what happens to network throughput? I imagine that many packets will get dropped. So, it comes down to 'performance' and network requirements. > > In any case, as we know > > performance is not just the overhead. It is a tradeoff that will be > > governed by the network scenario. We can change the wording to > > indicate as such. > > Do you think it's acceptable to equip OSPF with extensions > that presume reliable flooding even when that strategy is > likely to place stringent limits on the how fast the nodes > are "allowed" to move? Do you mean that reliable flooding will impose an 'upper' limit on the dynamic nature of the network? Clearly we cannot place such limits. As I see it, this is work in progress and the solution may end up being a hybrid approach, or some other optimizations that further reduce the impact of ACKing. I guess I'm just saying that we should not dismiss reliable flooding. The solution phase is still in an early stage. Regards, Madhavi > > >> But whether or not a reliable flooding protocol can be > >> scalable or not scalable is debatable. "Doesn't scale" > >> is frequently a dismissive term that is not qualified > >> enough. > > That's true, but I make a very intentional effort to > avoid such dismissive uses. Even scalability isn't > important unless one's protocol is intended to be > applicable to large-scale deployments, according to > whatever parameter you want to make large (often > the number of nodes, but could also be the amount > of traffic or number of flows). > > >> The working group may decide that, in the case > >> of OSPF, it is willing to trade some scalability to > >> retain reliable (but optimized) flooding. > > "Reliable" does not equal "optimized", except unless > all the signaling overhead is counted and it is indeed > optimal. Furthermore, "optimized" is subject to the > same abuse as "scalable", and both really need to be > put in good context in order to be truly understood. > > >> The design > >> decision that I believe is the true non-starter is to > >> decide a priori that OSPF flooding should not be optimized, > >> period. > > I am sure I agree with this statement, but I also admit > I was wondering what motivated it. > > Regards, > Charlie P. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 20:04:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13227 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjVW-0000ri-Sb for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:04:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3904Upw003322 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:04:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjVW-0000rV-Lp for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:04:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13103 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBjVU-0000cB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:04:28 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBies-00020I-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:10:07 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBhpn-0004Ao-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:17:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBhpV-0004Rb-HN; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:17:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBhp9-0004M8-Tn for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:16:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01607 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBhp6-00043u-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:16:36 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBfq6-0003Iw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:09:34 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBcds-0006UP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:44:40 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2004 09:54:26 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mchandra-u10.cisco.com (mchandra-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.252]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i38Gi6CC009090; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (mchandra@localhost) by mchandra-u10.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) id i38Gi6120211; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:44:06 -0400 From: "Madhavi W. Chandra" To: Justin Lipman Cc: "Charles E. Perkins" , manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft Message-ID: <20040408164406.GH20145@cisco.com> References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <200404081028.21632.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> <4074B3BE.8040804@iprg.nokia.com> <200404081245.06168.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404081245.06168.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hello Justin and Charlie, On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 12:45:06PM +1000, Justin Lipman wrote: > Hi Charles, > > > Your observation is very important to understanding > > how to improve MPR flooding. We have, indeed, > > measured a drop in packet delivery ratio when the > > number of broadcasts is kept to the theoretical > > minimum. This occurs because broadcasts are not > > reliable, and when some are lost during MPR flooding > > their absence is more damaging than with blind flooding > > (I assume not totally blind!). > > Very true... > > I have some results in the following paper which shows the performance of > Blind flooding, MPR, LMST Flooding and a reliable variant of RMST that > utilises unicast transmission instead of less reliable broadcast > transmission. > > http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~justinl/rmst.pdf > > This approach takes optimisation to the extreme using MST and is probably not > acceptable for route discovery in reactive routing protocols. Also it places > much emphasis on transmission power control. However, for a proactive routing > protocol like OLSR where link state dissemination is the requirement, it may > be most applicable. > > We have a paper in preparation which looks at ways of improving MPR > reliability for use in both reactive and proactive routing protocols. > > Ill be happy to send that to you once its ready. > > > >What is your definition of "reliable" flooding? > > > > I thought it meant that a broadcast source gets an acknowledgement > > from each of its neighbors that its broadcast was received. This > > acknowledgement can come in various forms, of course. If I am > > using the term in some way that is not compatible with the discussion > > about OSPF extensions, I hope someone will tell me what the correct > > meaning should be. I've been operating on this understanding of reliable flooding as well...that the recipient signals back in some form that it has indeed received the transmission. To me, the reliable flooding definition below sounds more like best effort. Justin, thanks for the pointers below...I'll have to look into them. Regards, Madhavi > Im not sure either if its compatible with the OSPF extensions as I havent kept > up with that. Im interested to know though. > > However, my definition of "reliable flooding" is that the message being > flooded is delivered to as many nodes as possible. This is irrespective of > local acknowledgement of received packets. For example Wei Lou's work: > http://www.cse.fau.edu/~wlou/publications.htm > > W. Lou and J. Wu, Double-Covered Broadcast (DCB): A Simple Reliable Broadcast > Algorithm in MANETs, accepted to appear in Proc. of IEEE Conf. on Computer > Communications (INFOCOM 2004), Hong Kong, China, April, 2004. > > W. Lou and J. Wu, A Reliable Broadcast Algorithm with Selected > Acknowledgements in Mobile Ad Hoc Networks, Proc. of IEEE 2003 Global > Communications Conference (GLOBECOM 2003), San Francisco, California, USA, > December, 2003. > > > >Blind flooding can be seen as reliable and my own work shows it performs > > > very well (if one ignores the broadcast storm). > > > > Why is it legitimate to ignore the broadcast storm? That's the > > entire motivation anyway for trying to create a better broadcast > > mechanism. Congestion due to broadcast can significantly > > degrade packet delivery ratios in many scenarios. > > I "dont" think it is legitimate to ignore the broadcast storm. > I was just saying if one were to ignore the broadcast storm problem then Blind > flooding does provide very reliable packet delivery as shown in my paper. > > My approach, RMST, addresses the broadcast storm problem and has comparable > reliability to blind flooding (in terms of packet delivery). > > > > Sadly, MPR and other optimised > > >flooding algorithms do not perform well at all! > > > > I thought it depended on the scenario! > > Hmmm... not sure what you mean? > > In my paper I introduced increasing CBR traffic into the network from 3 source > destination pairs. The optimised approaches performed very badly. Blind > flooding performed very well as did RMST. > > I can think of two scenarios: > > - If there is heavy network load (traffic) the packet loss in the network > increases, resulting in reduced packet delivery by the optimised flooding > mechanism. > > - If nodes are mobile and the neighbour information being used is outdated > this may lead to bad rebroadcast decisions by the optimised flooding > mechanism, possibly resulting in reduced packet delivery. Examples of this > are nodes being selected as rebroadcasting node, or in self-selecting > approaches nodes not selecting themselves to rebroadcast... > > > Gezzz ad hoc networks are a fascinating problem! :-) > > Kind regards, > Justin > > -- > Research Associate > Smart Internet Technology Cooperative Research Centre > http://www.titr.uow.edu.au/~justin > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 20:07:07 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13668 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjXa-00014O-IB for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:06:39 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3906clu004108 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:06:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjXZ-00014A-Ev for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:06:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13491 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBjXX-0000v8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:06:35 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBihm-0002SB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:13:07 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiJg-0007UJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:48:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiJV-0000qZ-Ud; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:48:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiJR-0000ph-DV for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:47:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04466 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiJJ-0007QI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:47:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBgQn-0001jZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:47:26 -0400 Received: from ellis.ad.nps.navy.mil ([131.120.18.61]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBdkh-0006Pz-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:55:47 -0400 Received: from [131.120.179.249] ([131.120.179.249]) by ellis.ad.nps.navy.mil with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:55:29 -0700 Subject: RE: [manet] capturing node motion From: Rex Buddenberg To: Francois.PAUL@fr.thalesgroup.com Cc: samir.chihi@voila.fr, manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <66CE949D18BCB249ABE8D9AF48C4F1CE2D48E9@helios.clb.tcfr.thales> References: <66CE949D18BCB249ABE8D9AF48C4F1CE2D48E9@helios.clb.tcfr.thales> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1081446929.4376.58.camel@antony> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 08 Apr 2004 10:55:29 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2004 17:55:29.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADD5D7C0:01C41D92] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id SAA04470 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 'Motion' is a slippery term and like a lot of others, it helps if we use the ISO model as a sorter: At layer 1, motion might be detectable by doppler shift. But note that this physical motion might not result in topology changes. A ship moving across the ocean under a comms satellite footprint would clearly be in motion, but the (GEO) satellite shines on a third of the earth's surface so the ship may have to move several thousand miles before a topology shift is triggered. At layer 3, 'motion' connotes a topology change. And that topology change could be triggered by several events other than layer 1 physical motion. In circuit-switch cellphone, congestion within one cell may find relief in pushing some customers off to a neighboring (less busy) cell that also has physical connectivity with a subset of the congested phones. =20 Some of the MANET issues are layer 7 ones as well where a host finds itself plugged into a different place in a network, but wants to retain it's end system identity (so traffic can find it and be delivered). So one legitimate definition of mobility is end system mobility as divorced from network topology. (This is where Charlie Perkins started out with his Mobile IP work). =20 Help? On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 05:04, Francois.PAUL@fr.thalesgroup.com wrote: > Just think about a "mobile" node standing near a highway, with other mo= bile > nodes attached to cars passing by (in both directions !) ... > What could deduce the standing node from the "frequent changes" it may > detect ? >=20 > FP >=20 >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : samir.chihi [mailto:samir.chihi@voila.fr] > Envoy=C3=A9 : jeudi 8 avril 2004 01:40 > =C3=80 : manet@ietf.org > Objet : [manet] capturing node motion >=20 >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > Can a node with frequent changes of its neighborhood, detect that it is= in > motion? >=20 > Best regards >=20 > Smir > ------------------------------------------ >=20 > Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=20 b _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 20:07:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13854 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjYI-0001JL-Iq for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:07:22 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3907MLA005028 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:07:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjYI-0001J1-EO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:07:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13748 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBjYF-00012b-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:07:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiiX-0002aA-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:13:55 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiUL-00019i-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:59:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiUA-0002iL-9u; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:59:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBiTl-0002gm-RH for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:58:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05148 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiTi-00013I-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:58:34 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBgpW-0004Jx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:12:59 -0400 Received: from web21110.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.227.112]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBeCh-0001Gx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:24:43 -0400 Message-ID: <20040408182438.19120.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.119.86.30] by web21110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:24:38 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vinod To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] recent GPSR implementation? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi. Is anyone aware of any public GPSR implementation able to work on ns-2.26? Thanks in advance, Vinod __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 21:15:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA19535 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkby-0003Dt-6o for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:15:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i391FE1H012385 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:15:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkby-0003Dg-1e for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:15:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA19468 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkbv-0000ki-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:15:11 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkKH-0006o6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:56:58 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBk6y-0004JV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:43:12 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBjuh-0005Kx-Eq for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:30:36 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjtg-0005NG-By; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:29:28 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjjC-00023x-4X for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:18:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA14416 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBjj8-00025R-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:18:34 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBit6-0004Kq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:24:49 -0400 Received: from web21108.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.227.110]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBhmC-0003dX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20040408221328.93407.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.119.86.30] by web21108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:13:28 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vinod To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] any recent GPSR implemenations? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi everyone.Does anyone know about any public implementation of GPSR which can be used for ns-2.26? The author's code is for older ns versions. Thanks, Vinod __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 21:15:45 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA19555 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkc1-0003EK-7o for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:15:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i391FHEa012412 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:15:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkc1-0003E3-3v for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:15:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA19479 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkbx-0000ky-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:15:13 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkKI-0006oQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:57:00 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBk6y-0004PD-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:43:12 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBjuk-0005L2-4w for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:30:34 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjtR-000579-SU; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:29:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBjSj-0000dm-JS for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:01:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA12651 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBjSh-0000F3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:01:35 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBiZL-0001YJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:04:23 -0400 Received: from web61009.mail.yahoo.com ([216.155.196.98]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBh6X-0006Ea-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:30:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20040408212953.53272.qmail@web61009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [156.26.36.69] by web61009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:29:53 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Sachin Gorde Reply-To: sachingorde@yahoo.com To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1863107677-1081459793=:51643" Subject: [manet] about energy consumption model Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-1863107677-1081459793=:51643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everybody, I am looking in to energy consumption aspect of MANET routing protocols such as AODV and DSR. 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Hi everybody,
 
I am looking in to energy consumption aspect of MANET routing protocols such as AODV and DSR.
Can anybody guide me to any pointers for energy consumption models or related work for AODV and/or DSR.
 
Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
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Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1863107677-1081459793=:51643-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 8 21:36:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21168 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkwT-00052D-HM for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:36:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i391aPfu019349 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:36:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkwT-000520-D8 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:36:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21121 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkwQ-0002Om-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:36:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkm1-0001fI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:25:37 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkY2-0000Tp-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:11:10 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkXv-0002N7-EA; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:11:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BBkXe-0002M8-DI for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:10:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA19076 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkXb-0000Re-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:10:43 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBkHa-0006MS-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:54:12 -0400 Received: from web61105.mail.yahoo.com ([216.155.196.107]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBk0h-0003lx-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:36:43 -0400 Message-ID: <20040409003612.44284.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.156.71.10] by web61105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:36:12 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: manet user To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1907581084-1081470972=:43008" Subject: [manet] olsr per interface calculations Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-1907581084-1081470972=:43008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, According to OLSR RFC, calculation of MPR should be done per interface. Similary Hello messages should be sent out per interface. But if these are done per node basis rather than per interface, for example broadcasting hello per node, in case of multiple interfaces it will be copied and broadcasted from each interface. Similary calculating MPR set using information in Neighbor and 2 hop Neighbor Set on each node. My question is: What is difference between two approaches (node basis/per interface basis) in terms of Simulation Results/Performance ? Thanks in advance, -MU --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1907581084-1081470972=:43008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi,
 
According to OLSR RFC, calculation of MPR should be done per interface. Similary Hello messages should be sent out per interface. But if these are done per node basis rather than per interface, for example broadcasting hello per node, in case of multiple interfaces it will be copied and broadcasted from each interface. Similary calculating MPR set using information in Neighbor and 2 hop Neighbor Set on each node.
 
My question is: What is difference between two approaches (node basis/per interface basis) in terms of Simulation Results/Performance ?
 
Thanks in advance,
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• = How to = provide SSL-based remote access to a broad range of Web and   legacy = applications?
• What about application performance and requirements?
• Are encrypted = application tunneling issues solved?
• What differences with = IPsec VPNs?

These questions, among others, will be tackled by the most recognised = experts in this field during the SSL VPN = Conference to be held in Paris from November 30th to the 3rd of December, = 2004.

 

A call for proposals is online = at:

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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C41E46.9C47C630-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 9 11:50:19 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03486 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BByGN-0006iC-Aa for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:49:51 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i39FnpLJ025800 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:49:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BByGN-0006i3-79 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:49:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03472 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BByGL-0001Zv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:49:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BByF9-0001SI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:48:35 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BByDy-0001JB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:47:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BByDe-00067Z-Kd; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:47:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BByDC-00064U-2i for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:46:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03355 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BByD8-0001GQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:46:30 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BByCI-000195-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:45:39 -0400 Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.224.241]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BByA4-0000ve-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:43:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20040409154305.52637.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.95.4.224] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:43:05 CEST Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:43:05 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?samir=20chihi?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-262249449-1081525385=:51032" Subject: [manet] capturing node motion Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-262249449-1081525385=:51032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id LAA03356 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi.=20 How can a node detect that it is in motion? Is the node motion can be detected by the changes of the node neighborhoo= d ? Thanks in advance, Samchihi =09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Cr=E9ez votre Yahoo! Mail Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis gr=E2ce =E0 Yahoo! Messenger ! --0-262249449-1081525385=:51032 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id LAA03356 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi.
How can a node detect that it is in motion?
Is the node motion can be detected by the changes of the node neighb= orhood ?

Thanks in advance,
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Messenger ! --0-262249449-1081525385=:51032-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 9 18:06:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26251 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC48W-0004dd-RC for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:06:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i39M684U017825 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:06:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC48W-0004dL-Mt for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:06:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26185 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC48T-0007Zi-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:06:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BC3pj-0006WG-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:46:44 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC3e4-0005GL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:34:40 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC3dT-0006IN-AK; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:34:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC3cv-0006GY-6i for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:33:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA24031 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC3cq-0005C6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:33:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BC3Ka-0003wo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:14:33 -0400 Received: from osgood.cc.nd.edu ([129.74.250.227]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC34o-0002K2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:58:14 -0400 Received: from sys.cse.ND.EDU (sys.cse.nd.edu [129.74.50.188]) by osgood.cc.nd.edu (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i39Kw5If010796 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by sys.cse.ND.EDU (Postfix, from userid 9403) id B3F72176BFD; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:58:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:58:06 -0500 From: Surendar Chandra To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: <20040409205806.GA21411@sys.cse.nd.edu> Reply-To: surendar@nd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-ND-MTA-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:58:06 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4350 Subject: [manet] CFP: IEEE Sensor and Ad Hoc Communications and Networks (SECON04) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.60 We apologize if you received multiple copies of this Call for Papers. Feel free to distribute it to those who might be interested. ========================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS IEEE SECON 2004 First Annual IEEE Communications Society Conference on Sensor and Ad Hoc Communications and Networks Technically Co-Sponsored By: IEEE ComSoc TCCC Santa Clara, California October 4-7, 2004 Paper submissions due: June 7, 2004 http://www.ieee-secon.org/2004 ========================================================================== The convergence of the Internet, communications and information technologies, coupled with recent engineering advances, is paving the way for a new generation of inexpensive mobile devices, sensors and actuators. It is the distributed and ad hoc deployment of networks of these network devices and sensors that bears promises for a significant impact, not only on science and engineering, but equally importantly on a broad range of applications relating to critical infrastructure protection and security, health care, the environment, energy, food safety, production processing, quality of life, and the economy. This new IEEE Communications Society conference will provide a forum to exchange ideas, techniques, and applications, discuss best practices, raise awareness and share experiences among researchers, practitioners, standard developers and policy makers in the field of sensor and ad hoc networks and systems. The conference will be organized to provide for a degree of collegiality and continuity in the discussions of the various topics among participants from the industrial, governmental and academic sectors. Original technical papers, which address the communications, networking, systems and algorithmic aspects of ad hoc and sensor networks, as well as those that describe practical deployment and implementation experiences are solicited for presentation at the conference and publication in the conference proceedings. Papers presenting novel contributions in such disciplines as digital signal processing, communications, networking protocols and architectures, algorithms, embedded systems, middleware and information management, and novel applications are solicited. PAPERS: Two types of submissions will be accepted for review in this conference: * Full papers describing original, previously unpublished research work, experimental efforts, practical experiences, and industrial and commercial developments in sensor and ad hoc communications and networks. Papers with a deep focus on a specific discipline or stimulated by the synergistic interaction of diverse disciplines are encouraged. * Short papers focusing on future research directions, industry challenges and novel approaches in the field of sensor and ad hoc communications and networks. Papers in this category must be visionary, innovative and forward- looking. Particular topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * New architectures, protocols and access control to support communication, localization, time synchronization, routing and data dissemination in heterogeneous, large-scale distributed, ad hoc networks and sensor networks * Novel algorithms and theories for management, supervisory control and monitoring of distributed ad hoc networks, and techniques for the interpretation and use of sensor data in decision-making processes * Industrial and commercial developments and applications * Modeling and performance evaluation of large-scale distributed and ad hoc sensor networks, practical implementations, and real-work experiences * Theories and models on fundamental information and communication aspects of wireless ad hoc and sensor networks * Mechanisms for authenticated, secure communication and data dissemination in sensor and ad hoc networks * Integration of sensors into engineered systems, including novel techniques for sensor renewable power sources, mechanisms for on-sensor self- calibration and self-testing and efficient schemes to maximize accuracy and minimize false alarms * Chip-based systems incorporating multiple sensors, computation, actuation, and wireless interfaces * Software platforms, middleware and tools for ad hoc and sensor network applications development, deployment and management TUTORIALS AND PANELS: Proposals for tutorials and panels on current topics in the field of ad hoc and sensor networking and applications are solicited. Panels related to the commercial application and development of sensors and ad hoc networks are especially encouraged. DEMOS AND EXPO: Demonstrations that showcase the practical implementations, industrial and commercial developments, and new applications for ad hoc and sensor networks are solicited. SUBMISSION AND REVIEW PROCESS: * All submissions will be handled electronically via EDAS (http://edas.info). Please refer to the appropriate link and information at the conference website, http://www.ieee-secon.org/2004. * The conference will only accept for review original papers that have not been previously published and are not currently under review by another conference or journal. All submissions will be handled electronically and must be in PDF or PostScript format. * The length of the paper must not exceed 10 IEEE conference-style pages (US "Letter" size, 8.5 x 11 inches) including text, figures and references, in two-column, single-space format, with a font size of at least 10 points. * Papers not following these guidelines will be rejected. * All submissions will be reviewed for technical merits and relevance to the conference. * Accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES: Paper submissions due: June 7, 2004 Tutorial/Panel Proposals due: July 12, 2004 Notification date: August 1, 2004 Camera-ready version due: August 20, 2004 GENERAL CHAIR: Taieb Znati, University of Pittsburgh, and NSF znati@cs.pitt.edu GENERAL VICE-CHAIR: C. S. Raghavendra, University of Southern California raghu@usc.edu TECHNICAL PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS: Sung-Ju Lee Prasant Mohapatra Krishna Sivalingam HP Laboratories UC Davis UMBC sjlee@hpl.hp.com prasant@cs.ucdavis.edu krishna@umbc.edu For more information, please visit the conference website http://www.ieee-secon.org/2004 or contact one of the conference co-chairs. ========================================================================== _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 9 22:47:45 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06414 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC8Wd-0008DN-6t for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:47:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3A2lJX1031573 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:47:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC8Wd-0008DA-2A for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:47:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06404 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC8WZ-0002ff-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:47:15 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BC8VG-0002Wh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:45:55 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC8Uc-0002Ox-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:45:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC8UQ-0007tl-8g; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:45:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BC8UC-0007t8-QC for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:44:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06371 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC8U9-0002O8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:44:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BC8T7-0002HC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:43:42 -0400 Received: from web60903.mail.yahoo.com ([216.155.196.79]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BC8SB-000234-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: <20040410024206.73712.qmail@web60903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.237.250.208] by web60903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:42:06 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] whats up? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 hi! DO u have code for ABAM , a multicast ad hoc routing protocol in NS-2 or GloMoSim regards, Vikram __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 10 00:40:39 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09104 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BCAHr-0000lB-Pn for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:40:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3A4eBOJ002917 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:40:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BCAHr-0000ky-Gq for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:40:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09095 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BCAHo-00025f-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:40:08 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BCAHD-0001w1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:39:32 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BCAFw-0001nI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:38:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BCAFm-0000Po-SN; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:38:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BCAFO-0000Gz-FJ for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:37:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09051 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BCAFJ-0001ew-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:37:33 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BCADZ-0001PN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:35:45 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.242.24] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BCACN-0001Fd-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:34:31 -0400 Received: From [192.168.0.100] ([129.94.173.78] == sitcrc.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) (for ) (for ) (for ) By note With Smtp ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:34:26 +1000 From: Justin Lipman To: manet@ietf.org Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:34:26 +1000 Reply-To: justin@titr.uow.edu.au Organization: CRC-SIT Subject: Re: [manet] Reliability. Was: Comments on "Problem Statement for OSPF Extensions ..." draft User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 Cc: Einar Vollset , "Charles E. Perkins" , Thomas R Henderson References: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C0406053E@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> <200404081245.06168.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404101434.26008.justin@titr.uow.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there Einar, I recall you had a good paper on a reliable flooding approach. Perhaps you can supply a pointer to it for those interested? On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:32 pm, Einar Vollset wrote: > > However, my definition of "reliable flooding" is that the message being > > flooded is delivered to as many nodes as possible. This is > > irrespective of > > local acknowledgement of received packets > > I disagree. I believe a "reliable" protocol has to involve > acknowledgments on some level. My own approach has hop by hop acknowledgement. There are some approaches that require all nodes receiving a flooded message to send back an acknowledgement to the source of the flood. However, other than knowing n nodes received a flooded message, an ad hoc node generally has no idea about how many nodes there are in an ad hoc network. So I dont know how useful that is. > A protocol which doesn't include some sort of acknowledgment from the > receivers, cannot provide any guarantees of delivery: It can only > increase the average packet delivery ratio. The difference is subtle, > but important. Yep agreed. I guess it depends upon the application the "type" of reliability required. > Of course, you might be satisfied with increasing the average packet > delivery ratio to a certain level, given the nature of the MANET > environment, but using a protocol which does not provide any delivery > guarantees implies that the sending node cannot reason about which > nodes have received it, so it might have to periodically broadcast an > important message. This is the natural trade-off between unreliable and > (possibly more costly) reliable broadcast/multicast/whatever protocols. Again... if a node in an ad hoc network of n nodes performing a reliable flood receives m replies (where m; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4El-0007bL-Cw for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:43 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CGOhTE029215 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4El-0007b7-6C for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA27238 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4Ei-0006RV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4Cy-00069N-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:22:52 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4Bi-0005zc-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4BC-0007GM-18; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:21:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4Aj-0007Fc-3T for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:20:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA27107 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4Af-0005s0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:20:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4A7-0005kD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:19:56 -0400 Received: from mail.unrwa.org ([194.165.152.246] helo=hqa-fe02.unrwa.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD48n-0005WK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:18:33 -0400 Received: from hqa-mail01.unrwa.org ([10.1.0.22]) by hqa-fe02.unrwa.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:17:22 +0200 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:17:22 +0200 Message-ID: <03012E20A557E94994F5C2CF7EE16F7D01D303E9@hqa-mail01.unrwa.org> Thread-Topic: [manet] Ad hoc routing protocols -Testbed codes thread-index: AcPAsq/pOlagTgMhSfCcX9Ge3QZi0BXRhnVw From: "MURAD, Ayman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2004 17:17:22.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[04863BB0:01C420B2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] Implementation of ABR on NS2 and Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! Does anyone know how to implement Associativity-Based Routing Protocols = (ABR) using ns-2 or Glomosim? Is the ABR source code for use in ns-2 or Glomosim available? Thank you very much =20 Ayman Murad _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 12 15:28:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08341 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD768-0003ji-Js for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:28:00 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CJS0Qi014357 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:28:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD768-0003jU-GD for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:28:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08283 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD766-0007aU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:27:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD73q-0007GU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:25:39 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD72a-00072r-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:24:20 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD72I-0003As-GL; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:24:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD71j-00039O-48 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:23:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07631 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD71f-0006u1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:23:23 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD6zl-0006bQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:21:26 -0400 Received: from motgate7.mot.com ([129.188.136.7]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD6xZ-0006Ha-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:19:09 -0400 Received: from az33exr03.mot.com (az33exr03.mot.com [10.64.251.233]) by motgate7.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate7) with ESMTP id i3CJFCWW024628 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com (ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com [10.14.33.5]) by az33exr03.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr03) with ESMTP id i3CJIW3d008527 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:18:46 -0500 Received: by ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:18:41 -0400 Message-ID: <62173B970AE0A044AED8723C3BCF23810408B3BC@ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com> From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 To: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:18:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 The four address format is currently rarely used in 802.11 but will probably be used by the new ESS Mesh activity in 802.11 which is expected to be 802.11s. This activity is pretty much aimed at a standardizing a layer 2+epsilon mesh of relatively limited size. You might connect such meshes together with a layer 3 / MANET protocol. Thanks, Donald -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of DANIEL BYRNE Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:29 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] 802.11 Since the 802.11 mac header has address fields for sender, transmitter, receiver and destination, why aren't ad-hoc routing protocols based upon this seemingly built-in faciity for multihop routing? Each receving node would simply have to change the rx address to the next hop. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 12 17:28:57 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15928 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD8yh-0005i0-6T for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:28:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CLSRNS021940 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:28:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD8yb-0005hn-Lk for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:28:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15908 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD8yV-00043V-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:28:15 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD8as-00027o-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:03:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD88V-0000MR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:34:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD882-0006v0-9W; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:34:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD87E-0006p9-4i for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:33:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08902 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD7Ds-000118-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:36:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD7BS-0000ff-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:33:31 -0400 Received: from [208.61.208.100] (helo=srv-exchange2.adtran.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD7A4-0000KC-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:32:04 -0400 Received: by pobox.adtran.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:31:56 -0500 Message-ID: <39B01E2189D99F4B8C9612462DB3922A153B8C46@srv-exchange.adtran.com> From: DANIEL BYRNE To: "'Eastlake III Donald-LDE008'" , manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:32:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Where can I get information on the ESS Mesh activity? -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:19 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 The four address format is currently rarely used in 802.11 but will probably be used by the new ESS Mesh activity in 802.11 which is expected to be 802.11s. This activity is pretty much aimed at a standardizing a layer 2+epsilon mesh of relatively limited size. You might connect such meshes together with a layer 3 / MANET protocol. Thanks, Donald -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of DANIEL BYRNE Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:29 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] 802.11 Since the 802.11 mac header has address fields for sender, transmitter, receiver and destination, why aren't ad-hoc routing protocols based upon this seemingly built-in faciity for multihop routing? Each receving node would simply have to change the rx address to the next hop. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 12 18:57:58 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23284 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDAMu-0003uu-QL for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:57:33 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CMvWRw015052 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:57:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDAMs-0003uW-3I for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:57:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23227 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDAMo-0001s5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:57:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD9uQ-0007mS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:28:07 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD9Pk-0005kl-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:56:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD9PO-00006J-MF; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:56:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD9Ol-0008VU-OF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:55:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17340 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD9Og-0005gL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:55:18 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD8sC-0003dq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:44 -0400 Received: from nova.its.msstate.edu ([130.18.2.42] ident=cpadmin) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD8W9-0001lO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:58:58 -0400 Received: from qg4 (ws93-64.simrall.msstate.edu [130.18.64.93]) by nova.its.msstate.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HW200891STAS5@nova.its.msstate.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:55:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:56:03 -0600 From: Qinghai Gao To: manet Message-id: <0HW200892STAS5@nova.its.msstate.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Foxmail 4.1 [cn] Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AJbk9O0lXKyoSYS9iwm7ZQ)" Subject: [manet] DSR bench mark with Charles Perkins Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_AJbk9O0lXKyoSYS9iwm7ZQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I am trying to repeat the simulation in the paper: "Performance Comparison of Two On-Demand routing protocols for Ad Hoc Networks". I am using ns2 v2.27 in Windows (by cigwin). I generate the traffic patter file: cbr-50-3--4-512 and the mobility scenario file: scen-1500x300-50-300-20. In the paper, the packet delivery fraction of 50 node, 30 sources,300m pause time is arond 0.77. But in my simulation (tcl file attached), the fraction is only 0.69. I think this is a big difference. Could you review the files (or even run it) and give me some suggestions? I am wondering several questions. 1). The method for calculating the packet delivery ration based on the trace file is correct or not. 2). Could you kindly tell me how to calculate the end to end packet delay and normalized rouiting load and MAC load as in the paper? Using the trace file? 3). I changed the routing protocol to AODV, some error occurs: Segmentation fault (core dumped). Your suggestions are appreciated! 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Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 17:42:14 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11317 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDVTY-00034L-A7 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:29:48 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3DLTmJd011797 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:29:48 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDVHG-0005vY-Kp for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:17:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09167 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDVHE-0003h6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:17:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDV8e-0002lN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:08:13 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDUye-0001qv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:57:52 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDTou-0004i2-OS; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:43:44 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDThc-0003J8-8H for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:36:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA01963 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDThZ-0000zf-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:36:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDTg4-0000pP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:34:36 -0400 Received: from mercury.dgim.crc.ca ([142.92.39.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDTeP-0000bq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:32:53 -0400 Received: from anik2 (anik2.dgrc.crc.ca [142.92.34.76]) by mercury.dgim.crc.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i3DJWDS9023969 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <010501c4218d$f1390dd0$4c225c8e@anik2> From: "ying ge" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear group, We are implementing OLSR_RFC with IPV6. According to the RFC, although the proposed message format is based on IPV4, we can use IPV6 address to replace the IPV4 address. This strategy does not have any problem for HELLO, TC and MID packets. However, for HNA packet, the packet format in IPV4 is as following: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Network Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Netmask | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Network Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Netmask | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ........ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ My question : How can we change it to IPV6 format, as IPV6 does not have "network mask""? Our proposed HNA format for IPV6 is as following, what do you think about it? 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Network Address | | in | | IPV6 | | (128 bits) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Network Address | | in | | IPV6 | | (128 bits) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ........ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Thanks a lot for your comment Ying Ge communications Canada 3701 Carling Ave. | 3701, avenue Carling PO Box 11490, Station H | CP 11490, succursale H Ottawa ON K2H 8S2 | Ottawa (Ontario) K2H 8S2 (613) 998-2819 | ying.ge@crc.ca | Web site / Site web : www.crc.ca Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 18:25:00 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15474 for ; 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Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:15:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDV7S-0002fW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:06:59 -0400 Received: from sunlight.wichita.edu ([156.26.1.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDUxY-0001ej-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:56:44 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sunlight.wichita.edu by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30772) id <0HW400E01NH7S1@sunlight.wichita.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:55:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from webmail.wichita.edu (BIERSTADT.WICHITA.EDU [156.26.1.165]) by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30772) with ESMTP id <0HW400E13NH7R5@sunlight.wichita.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:55:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:55:55 -0500 From: fxbaloch To: manet@ietf.org Message-id: <407C10A3@webmail.wichita.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: fxbaloch@wichita.edu X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00003023, 00003770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] redistribution between ad hoc and infrastructed n/w protocols Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Has anyone done redistribution between AODV and and RIP in ns2. They dont have to be exactly these two protocols. Any ad hoc domain protocol and any infrastructed routing protocol will do. If yes, could someone help me out? I mean where can I make changes to accomadate this task. Also how can I take a node in ns2 and add interface to it. For example I have a mobile node , how can I add another interface to it for connecting to ethernet(for example). Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Fariha _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 05:21:43 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11262 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgNb-0005X8-Sg for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:08:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3E98Ne2021265 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:08:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgHm-000432-Ql for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:02:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA10599 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgHj-0000WV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:02:19 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgGn-0000OS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:01:22 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgFp-0000Gg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:00:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDg4z-0000T7-Pq; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:49:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDfzN-0007SY-5w for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:43:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09763 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDfzK-0005y0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:43:18 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDfyU-0005sY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:42:27 -0400 Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr ([192.93.2.78]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDfxp-0005iB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:41:45 -0400 Received: from yana.inria.fr (yana.inria.fr [128.93.9.62]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E8gGjq028890; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:42:16 +0200 Received: from inria.fr (albeniz-16.inria.fr [128.93.17.24]) by yana.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E8fChv027317; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:41:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <407CF922.6453A376@inria.fr> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:41:06 +0200 From: Amina Naimi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fxbaloch CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] redistribution between ad hoc and infrastructed n/w protocols References: <407C10A3@webmail.wichita.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, look at : http://www.sm.luth.se/~dugdale/index/software.shtml Anders Lindgren implemented PCF mode for ns-2. He extented a mobile node structure to play the role of an access point (to support both wireless and wired interfaces). I think you can be inspired by his work. fxbaloch wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Has anyone done redistribution between AODV and and RIP in ns2. They dont have > to be exactly these two protocols. Any ad hoc domain protocol and any > infrastructed routing protocol will do. If yes, could someone help me out? I > mean where can I make changes to accomadate this task. > Also how can I take a node in ns2 and add interface to it. For example I have > a mobile node , how can I add another interface to it for connecting to > ethernet(for example). > > Any help will be appreciated. > Thanks > Fariha > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 05:36:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11978 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgep-0000SZ-O4 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:26:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3E9QBZ7001761 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:26:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgVt-0007MV-UH for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:16:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11191 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgVl-0002MU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:16:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgTP-0002AS-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:14:24 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgTF-00024g-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:14:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgMJ-0004kr-6L; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:07:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgA3-0001xE-Pr for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:54:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA10365 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgA0-0007Nl-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:54:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDg97-0007H0-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:53:25 -0400 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDg88-00072Z-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:52:24 -0400 Received: from canth.inria.fr (canth.inria.fr [128.93.17.102]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E8poYM019979; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:51:50 +0200 Received: from adjih by canth.inria.fr with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDg7Z-0003FL-00; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:51:49 +0200 From: Cedric Adjih Reply-To: Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:51:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 Cc: "ying ge" References: <010501c4218d$f1390dd0$4c225c8e@anik2> In-Reply-To: <010501c4218d$f1390dd0$4c225c8e@anik2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404141051.49497.Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr> X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ying, Indeed, the packet format for HNA with IPv6 is not optimized. Still, in IPv6, you can translate the network prefix length as a netmask [of course as something like (1<<128)-(1<<(128-N))], so my interpretation is that an IPv6 RFC-compliant implementation must do that. Of course, now, maybe you would like to throw received netmasks which are not proper prefixes. Regards, -- Cedric On Tuesday 13 April 2004 21:31, ying ge wrote: > Dear group, > > We are implementing OLSR_RFC with IPV6. According to the RFC, although the > proposed message format is based on IPV4, we can use IPV6 address to > replace the IPV4 address. This strategy does not have any problem for > HELLO, TC and MID packets. However, for HNA packet, the packet format in > IPV4 is as following: > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 > 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Network Address > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Netmask > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Network Address > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Netmask > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | ........ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > My question : How can we change it to IPV6 format, as IPV6 does not have > "network mask""? Our proposed HNA format for IPV6 is as following, what do > you think about it? > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 > 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Network Address > | > | in > | > | IPV6 > | > | (128 bits) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Network Address > | > | in > | > | IPV6 > | > | (128 bits) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | ........ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Thanks a lot for your comment > > Ying Ge > communications Canada > 3701 Carling Ave. | 3701, avenue Carling > PO Box 11490, Station H | CP 11490, succursale H > Ottawa ON K2H 8S2 | Ottawa (Ontario) K2H 8S2 > (613) 998-2819 | ying.ge@crc.ca | > Web site / Site web : www.crc.ca > Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 06:02:37 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13070 for ; 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Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:19:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by trinity.gnist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017B1633061; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trinity.gnist.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (trinity.gnist.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09496-01; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from olsr.org (101.80-203-48.nextgentel.com [80.203.48.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by trinity.gnist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227F0633057; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <407D001D.9020705@olsr.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:10:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= Organization: olsr.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040401 Debian/1.6-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr Cc: manet@ietf.org, ying ge Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 References: <010501c4218d$f1390dd0$4c225c8e@anik2> <200404141051.49497.Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <200404141051.49497.Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In the UniK OLSR implementation I've chosen to just transmit the prefix=20 length when using IPv6. It would might be easier if HNA packets=20 contained a 16 bit prefix length for both IPv4 and IPv6? regards, Andreas T Cedric Adjih wrote: > Hello Ying, >=20 > Indeed, the packet format for HNA with IPv6 is not optimized. > Still, in IPv6, you can translate the network prefix length as > a netmask [of course as something like (1<<128)-(1<<(128-N))], > so my interpretation is that an IPv6 RFC-compliant implementation > must do that.=20 > Of course, now, maybe you would like to throw received netmasks=20 > which are not proper prefixes. >=20 > Regards, > -- Cedric >=20 > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 21:31, ying ge wrote: >=20 >>Dear group, >> >>We are implementing OLSR_RFC with IPV6. According to the RFC, although = the >>proposed message format is based on IPV4, we can use IPV6 address to >>replace the IPV4 address. This strategy does not have any problem for >>HELLO, TC and MID packets. However, for HNA packet, the packet format i= n >>IPV4 is as following: >>0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 = 4 5 >>6 7 8 9 0 1 >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Network Addr= ess >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Netmask >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Network Addr= ess >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Netmask >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| ........ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>My question : How can we change it to IPV6 format, as IPV6 does not hav= e >>"network mask""? Our proposed HNA format for IPV6 is as following, what= do >>you think about it? >> >>0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 = 4 5 >>6 7 8 9 0 1 >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Network Addr= ess >>| >>| in >>| >>| IPV6 >>| >>| (128 bits) >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Network Addr= ess >>| >>| in >>| >>| IPV6 >>| >>| (128 bits) >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>| ........ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >>Thanks a lot for your comment >> >>Ying Ge >>communications Canada >>3701 Carling Ave. | 3701, avenue Carling >>PO Box 11490, Station H | CP 11490, succursale H >>Ottawa ON K2H 8S2 | Ottawa (Ontario) K2H 8S2 >>(613) 998-2819 | ying.ge@crc.ca | >>Web site / Site web : www.crc.ca >>Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>manet mailing list >>manet@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=20 --=20 Andreas T=F8nnesen(andreas@olsr.org) UniK University Graduation Center University of Oslo http://www.olsr.org _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 06:17:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13675 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDhK1-0000zG-Re for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:08:45 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EA8jnX003790 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:08:45 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDhEu-0007u7-RJ for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:03:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13103 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhEr-00000Q-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:03:25 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhE2-0007gB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:02:35 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhD6-0007Yg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:01:36 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDh0y-0005Lg-Oa; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:49:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDgsY-0003Kw-2s for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:40:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA12100 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgsU-0004rH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:40:18 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgrW-0004lE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:39:18 -0400 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgqX-0004ZX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:38:17 -0400 Received: from canth.inria.fr (canth.inria.fr [128.93.17.102]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E9bjYM026299; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:37:45 +0200 Received: from adjih by canth.inria.fr with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDgq1-0003UN-00; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:37:45 +0200 From: Cedric Adjih Reply-To: Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:37:45 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 Cc: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?q?T=F8nnesen?= , ying ge References: <010501c4218d$f1390dd0$4c225c8e@anik2> <200404141051.49497.Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr> <407D001D.9020705@olsr.org> In-Reply-To: <407D001D.9020705@olsr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <200404141137.45094.Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr> X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by concorde.inria.fr id i3E9bjYM026299 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andreas, On Wednesday 14 April 2004 11:10, Andreas T=F8nnesen wrote: > Hi, > > In the UniK OLSR implementation I've chosen to just transmit the prefix > length when using IPv6. It would might be easier if HNA packets > contained a 16 bit prefix length for both IPv4 and IPv6? Hmm... Easier, yes ; compliant, no :-) I would have prefered prefix length too for the final RFC, but it was not done that way, and moreover it was not important at all. This a very small issue, and the RFC isn't going to be changed overnight, so it's better to go for the netmask. Regards, -- Cedric > > regards, > Andreas T > > Cedric Adjih wrote: > > Hello Ying, > > > > Indeed, the packet format for HNA with IPv6 is not optimized. > > Still, in IPv6, you can translate the network prefix length as > > a netmask [of course as something like (1<<128)-(1<<(128-N))], > > so my interpretation is that an IPv6 RFC-compliant implementation > > must do that. > > Of course, now, maybe you would like to throw received netmasks > > which are not proper prefixes. > > > > Regards, > > -- Cedric > > > > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 21:31, ying ge wrote: > >>Dear group, > >> > >>We are implementing OLSR_RFC with IPV6. According to the RFC, althoug= h > >> the proposed message format is based on IPV4, we can use IPV6 addres= s to > >> replace the IPV4 address. This strategy does not have any problem fo= r > >> HELLO, TC and MID packets. However, for HNA packet, the packet forma= t in > >> IPV4 is as following: > >>[... snip ...] _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 06:44:21 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15996 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDhly-00064l-FC for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:37:38 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EAbc8S023351 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:37:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDheD-0004kR-Sf for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:29:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA14093 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDheA-0003N6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:29:34 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhdK-0003FZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:28:42 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhcm-00037n-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:28:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDhT7-0002ch-Az; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:18:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDhRV-000287-0x for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:16:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13648 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhRR-0001ly-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:16:25 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhQk-0001fg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:15:42 -0400 Received: from smtp1.bae.co.uk ([20.138.254.61]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDhQ2-0001XR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:14:58 -0400 Received: from ngbaux (ngbaux.msd.bae.co.uk [141.245.68.234]) by smtp1.bae.co.uk (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i3EAEKr27473 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:14:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from glkas0106.GREENLNK.NET ([141.245.68.243]) by ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk (PMDF V5.2-33 #44998) with ESMTP id <0HW50050KOCSNO@ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk> for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from glkms0001.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.1]) by glkas0106.GREENLNK.NET with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:13:18 +0100 Received: from glkms0008.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.8]) by glkms0001.GREENLNK.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:13:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:13:17 +0100 From: "Dearlove, Chris (UK)" Subject: RE: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 To: Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr, manet@ietf.org Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= , ying ge Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-Topic: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 Thread-Index: AcQiB3DxkH7BBfAmSfShdS2hAfOwfwAABGtg content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 10:13:17.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B349F20:01C42209] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > It would might be easier if HNA packets > > contained a 16 bit prefix length for both IPv4 and IPv6? 8 bits would do (or 7 if assume no 0 length masks). But if you wanted to keep 4 byte alignment, it would have to be 32 bits (or have a 24 bit reserved field). > Hmm... Easier, yes ; compliant, no :-) > I would have prefered prefix length too for the final RFC,=0D > but it was not > done that way, and moreover it was not important at all. > This a very small issue, and the RFC isn't going to be=0D > changed overnight, > so it's better to go for the netmask. If this area were revisited later, a more important issue might be an IPv4 ad hoc network, but attached to an IPv6 network, so HNAs might carry a different address type to HELLOs/TCs/MIDs. (Could use the 24 bit reserved field, or at least one bit of it if put before the address.) And then there are some other HNA issues as well, and then ... FWIW, my implementation follows Cedric's advice, for simplicity as well as compliance. ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 08:45:19 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21390 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDjk3-00065c-Ds for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:43:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EChleM023400 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:43:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDjhr-0005ds-78 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:41:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21156 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDjhp-0004ZX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:41:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDjgs-0004R1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:40:30 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDjft-0004IQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:39:29 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDjae-0003jI-54; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:34:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDjUM-0002Qi-Mx for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:27:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20342 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDjUL-0002UW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:27:33 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDjTU-0002OM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:26:40 -0400 Received: from web21101.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.227.103]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDjT4-0002HK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:26:14 -0400 Message-ID: <20040414122613.55209.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.95.33.18] by web21101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:26:13 CEST Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:26:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?amine=20elabidi?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id IAA20343 Subject: [manet] Re:Re:mesh netwtork Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your reply. 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=0A=0A --Next_1081968083---0-203.199.83.38-12716 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0Ai am working on security in adhoc networks.=0Ai want to implement th= e k bounded coalition offset algorithm in glomosim in dsr=0Ai want to know = how to implement Z :=3D M^-n modn=0Aplease give your suggestions --Next_1081968083---0-203.199.83.38-12716-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 15 01:48:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19345 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDzi4-0004IO-Vl for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:46:49 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3F5kmpk016498 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:46:48 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDzdO-0003N1-6U for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:41:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19088 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDzdL-0004OK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:41:55 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDzcO-0004L6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:40:57 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDzbl-0004Hx-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:40:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDzWi-000170-8q; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:35:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDzPk-0007hk-6B for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:27:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA18723 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDzPh-0003Xg-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:27:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDzOm-0003Ud-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:26:53 -0400 Received: from web13126.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.163]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDzNx-0003S6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20040415052602.83958.qmail@web13126.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.56.207.218] by web13126.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:26:02 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "R. Ragupathy" To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1319895723-1082006762=:82945" Subject: [manet] Tora Routing Load Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-1319895723-1082006762=:82945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hai, I am working on developing a position based routing algorithm. I want to know that in ns2 simulation tora uses the IMEP, for this case how to claculate the routing load(whether to include the routing load taken by IMEP or not, since It is being used to Guarinteed delivery). Please any one clear my query. Thnaks in advance . BY R.Ragupathy Lecturer Department Of Computer Science & Engg. Annamalai University Tamil Nadu - 608002 India. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1319895723-1082006762=:82945 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hai,
I am working on developing a position based routing algorithm. I want to know that in ns2 simulation tora uses the IMEP, for this case how to claculate the routing load(whether to include the routing load taken by IMEP or not, since It is being used to Guarinteed delivery). Please any one clear my query.   
Thnaks in advance .
BY
 


R.Ragupathy
Lecturer
Department Of Computer Science & Engg.
Annamalai University
Tamil Nadu - 608002
India.

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Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from godel (godel.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.210.28]) by gehenna.ece.cornell.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D591E8004; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:25:57 -0400 (EDT) To: manet@ietf.org Cc: Zygmunt Haas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] JiST: not just "yet another network simulator" Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: Release of JiST (Java in Simulation Time), a scalable simulation platform Dear Colleagues, JiST (Java in Simulation Time) is a scalable simulation platform that can be used to simulate very large networks. Thus, it may be of interest to researchers in the area of ad hoc networks and sensor networks. For instance, we have simulated half a million nodes running the ZRP (Zone Routing Protocol) using commodity PCs. The good news is that JiST is now released and you can download the software from: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/barr/repository/jist/license.html Please note the terms of the use license, which you can find on the above web page. We are very proud of JiST and we hope that this software will be of use to you. Please feel free to forward the above JiST link to anyone who might be interested in the project. Best regards, Zygmunt Haas. ===---======== ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas Wireless Networks Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu School of Electrical Engineering Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas(at)ece(dot)cornell(dot)edu U.S.A WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 15 11:16:41 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29919 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BE8GC-0007cE-1E for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:54:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3FEsak4029269 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:54:36 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BE8Bz-00063A-9M for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:50:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28353 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BE8Bw-0001ns-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:50:12 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BE8B2-0001j8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:49:17 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BE8AK-0001er-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:48:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BE841-0002s4-3P; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:42:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BE7uV-0007QJ-Ns for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:32:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27315 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BE7uT-00008H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:32:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BE7tg-000037-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:31:21 -0400 Received: from [193.213.212.51] (helo=trinity.gnist.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BE7si-0007mr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by trinity.gnist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6369B633068; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:30:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trinity.gnist.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (trinity.gnist.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22890-07; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:30:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from olsr.org (unknown [80.239.6.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by trinity.gnist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD92633067; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:30:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <407E9C24.7080708@olsr.org> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:28:52 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_T=F8nnesen?= Organization: olsr.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040401 Debian/1.6-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ying ge Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 References: <010501c4218d$f1390dd0$4c225c8e@anik2> <200404141051.49497.Cedric.Adjih@inria.fr> <003a01c422f3$adbd05e0$4c225c8e@anik2> In-Reply-To: <003a01c422f3$adbd05e0$4c225c8e@anik2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ying ge wrote: > To Andreas: > Is such design same as that in your implementation? >=20 I use excatly that design. I was aware that it was breaking compability but I never bothered fixing it. I will however update it in the next release for the sake of compliance. It'll just be some extra bits frying my brain here at the lab ;) regards, Andreas >=20 > Best regards >=20 > Ying > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Cedric Adjih" > To: > Cc: "ying ge" > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR - HNA in IPV6 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>Hello Ying, >> >>Indeed, the packet format for HNA with IPv6 is not optimized. >>Still, in IPv6, you can translate the network prefix length as >>a netmask [of course as something like (1<<128)-(1<<(128-N))], >>so my interpretation is that an IPv6 RFC-compliant implementation >>must do that. >>Of course, now, maybe you would like to throw received netmasks >>which are not proper prefixes. >> >>Regards, >>-- Cedric >> >>On Tuesday 13 April 2004 21:31, ying ge wrote: >> >>>Dear group, >>> >>>We are implementing OLSR_RFC with IPV6. According to the RFC, although >=20 > the >=20 >>>proposed message format is based on IPV4, we can use IPV6 address to >>>replace the IPV4 address. This strategy does not have any problem for >>>HELLO, TC and MID packets. However, for HNA packet, the packet format = in >>>IPV4 is as following: >>>0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 = 4 >=20 > 5 >=20 >>>6 7 8 9 0 1 >>>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Network >=20 > Address >=20 >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Netmas= k >>> >>>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Network >=20 > Address >=20 >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Netmas= k >>> >>>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| .......= . >>> >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>My question : How can we change it to IPV6 format, as IPV6 does not ha= ve >>>"network mask""? Our proposed HNA format for IPV6 is as following, wha= t >=20 > do >=20 >>>you think about it? >>> >>>0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 = 4 >=20 > 5 >=20 >>>6 7 8 9 0 1 >>>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Network >=20 > Address >=20 >>>| >>>| in >>>| >>>| IPV6 >>>| >>>| (128 bits) >>> >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved >>> >>>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Network >=20 > Address >=20 >>>| >>>| in >>>| >>>| IPV6 >>>| >>>| (128 bits) >>> >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| Network prefix (16 bits) | Reserved >>> >>>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>| .......= . >>> >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>>Thanks a lot for your comment >>> >>>Ying Ge >>>communications Canada >>>3701 Carling Ave. | 3701, avenue Carling >>>PO Box 11490, Station H | CP 11490, succursale H >>>Ottawa ON K2H 8S2 | Ottawa (Ontario) K2H 8S2 >>>(613) 998-2819 | ying.ge@crc.ca | >>>Web site / Site web : www.crc.ca >>>Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>manet mailing list >>>manet@ietf.org >>>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >> --=20 --=20 Andreas T=F8nnesen(andreas@olsr.org) UniK University Graduation Center University of Oslo http://www.olsr.org _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 15 12:58:13 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04498 for ; 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Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:05:50 -0400 Received: from il06exr04.mot.com (il06exr04.mot.com [129.188.137.134]) by motgate8.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate3) with ESMTP id i3FG5xiD011906 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:05:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com (ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com [10.14.33.5]) by il06exr04.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr04) with ESMTP id i3FG5hEO030318 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:05:43 -0500 Received: by ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: <62173B970AE0A044AED8723C3BCF23810408B3CE@ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com> From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 To: "'DANIEL BYRNE'" Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:05:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 The two locations where you can find some information on the IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh Study Group are http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/ and http://www.802wirelessworld.com. The second is where the recent documents are. If you register at the 802wirelessword site, login, click on 802.11 and then on documents (you must log in first), you can get the following files: 11-04-0054-02-0mes-par-ieee-802-11-ess-mesh.doc - proposed ESS Mes TG charter 11-04-0056-01-0mes-five-criteria-ieee-802-11-ess-mesh.doc - proposed ESS Mes TG justification 11-04-0110-02-0mes-MESH-SG-January-2004-Minutes.doc - minutes of January ESS Mesh SG meeting 11-04-0280-05-0mes-mesh-agenda-march-2004.ppt - final updates agenda for March ESS Mesh SG meeting 11-04-0395-01-0mes-mesh-sg-march-minutes.doc - minutes of March ESS Mesh SG meeting Donald -----Original Message----- From: DANIEL BYRNE [mailto:daniel.byrne@adtran.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:32 PM To: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008; manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 Where can I get information on the ESS Mesh activity? -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:19 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 The four address format is currently rarely used in 802.11 but will probably be used by the new ESS Mesh activity in 802.11 which is expected to be 802.11s. This activity is pretty much aimed at a standardizing a layer 2+epsilon mesh of relatively limited size. You might connect such meshes together with a layer 3 / MANET protocol. Thanks, Donald -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of DANIEL BYRNE Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:29 PM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] 802.11 Since the 802.11 mac header has address fields for sender, transmitter, receiver and destination, why aren't ad-hoc routing protocols based upon this seemingly built-in faciity for multihop routing? Each receving node would simply have to change the rx address to the next hop. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 15 19:10:40 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA08391 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEFsm-0006bp-1L for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:02:56 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3FN2tYi025398 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:02:55 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEFjr-0004Q6-SH for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:53:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA07106 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEFjo-0003mP-Nk for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:53:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEFiq-0003j6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:52:41 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEFi9-0003hT-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:51:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEFTi-00005u-Un; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:37:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEFKd-00062P-Qs for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:27:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04395 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEFKa-0001kM-OB for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:27:36 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEFCH-0000WK-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:19:02 -0400 Received: from web61109.mail.yahoo.com ([216.155.196.111]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEEvY-0006R6-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: <20040415220114.74246.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.156.71.10] by web61109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:01:14 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: manet user To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1211533359-1082066474=:74121" Subject: [manet] Olsr TC table help needed Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-1211533359-1082066474=:74121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I am involved with OLSR implementation and wanted confirm an observation. If TC table is hashed by "last_addr" i.e. originator address of the TC messages. At any given time and node, there can be only one entry for an originator addr. Is it true or i am interpreting it incorrectly. Upon reception of TC mesg, according to RFC, we remove all the old seq_num entries (that can be only one) for this originator address. Then add the new one. So, at any node, there can be only one TC table entry for an originator address (with one seq num not list of seq numbers). If this is correct, a TC table may look like Your comments will be of great help. Thanks in advance. -MU --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1211533359-1082066474=:74121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi,
 
I am involved with OLSR implementation and wanted confirm an observation. If TC table is hashed by "last_addr" i.e. originator address of the TC messages. At any given time and node, there can be only one entry for an originator addr. Is it true or i am interpreting it incorrectly.
Upon reception of TC mesg, according to RFC, we remove all the old seq_num entries (that can be only one) for this originator address. Then add the new one. So, at any node, there can be only one TC table entry for an originator address (with one seq num not list of seq numbers).
 
If this is correct, a TC table may look like
<last_addr, seq_num, expiry time, LIST of dest_addrs>
 
Your comments will be of great help. Thanks in advance.
 
-MU

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Please help me on this issue Thanks and Regards Harsh _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 03:59:47 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21222 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEOF8-0001DC-3A for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:58:34 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3G7wYEA004651 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:58:34 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEOBm-0000VZ-W9 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:55:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA20988 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEOBk-0006yV-EP for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:55:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEOAm-0006sQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:54:04 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEOAD-0006n0-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:53:29 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEO4y-00070K-BI; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:48:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BENxN-0004KI-9y for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:40:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA20110 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BENxK-0005Qv-Oz for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:40:10 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BENwa-0005LE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:39:24 -0400 Received: from bay8-f59.bay8.hotmail.com ([64.4.27.59] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BENvv-0005Bw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:38:43 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:38:10 -0700 Received: from 218.247.141.34 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:38:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.247.141.34] X-Originating-Email: [vocalnewboy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: vocalnewboy@hotmail.com From: "Stephen Goodacre" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:38:09 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2004 07:38:10.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[C48B69F0:01C42385] Subject: [manet] Why AODV is being called Distance Vector Protocol? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I just start to do the ad hoc research. Thank you for your explanation _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 09:07:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA06056 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BESy6-0004xi-KD for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:01:18 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3GD1IQw019074 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:01:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEStF-000463-JI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:56:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05509 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEStE-0002Md-9g for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:56:16 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BESsN-0002F8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:55:24 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BESrj-00026j-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:54:43 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BESnF-0002SD-GD; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:50:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BESkP-0001rA-QC for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:47:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05021 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BESkO-000170-4e for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:47:08 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BESjU-0000zE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:46:13 -0400 Received: from taurus.cs.albany.edu ([169.226.2.109] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BESic-0000rV-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:45:18 -0400 Received: from broomstick.cs.albany.edu (ravi@broomstick.cs.albany.edu [169.226.2.89]) by taurus.cs.albany.edu (8.12.8p1-20030918/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3GCjBBP006868 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ravi@localhost) by broomstick.cs.albany.edu (8.12.8p1-20030918/8.12.8/Submit) id i3GCjBV4011828 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "S.S.Ravi" Message-Id: <200404161245.i3GCjBV4011828@broomstick.cs.albany.edu> To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] Final call for papers (corrected) -- ADHOC-NOW'04 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 PLEASE ACCEPT OUR APOLOGIES IF YOU RECEIVE MULTIPLE COPIES (Corrected) Final Call for Papers -- ADHOC-NOW'04 The 3rd Annual International Conference on AD-HOC Networks & Wireless Conference dates: July 22-24, 2004 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Conference URL: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/adhocnow04 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: In the version of this CFP posted on April 15, 2004, the name of one of the invited speakers (Dr. Martha Steenstrup) was spelled incorrectly. 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Areas of interest include, but not limited to, the following: Access Control Ad Hoc Networks of Autonomous Intelligent Systems Analytic Methods and Modeling for Performance Evaluation Applications for Ad Hoc Networks Architectures of Ad-Hoc Networks Distributed Algorithms for Ad Hoc Networks Location Discovery and Management Low Power and Energy-Efficient Designs Mobile Ad Hoc Computing Platforms, Systems and Testbeds Quality-of-Service Routing Protocols (Unicast, Multicast, etc.) Secure Services and Protocols Sensor Networks Self-Configuration Service Discovery Timing Synchronization Wireless Internet Proceedings: To be published by Springer-Verlag, as part of the Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. Supported by: Carleton University University of Alberta Simon Fraser University PIMS INSTITUTE MITACS _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 12:23:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA19181 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEVtG-00023W-DO for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:08:32 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3GG8Uxg007898 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:08:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEVjU-00070A-68 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:58:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17723 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEVjS-00075x-TE for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:58:23 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEVie-00072V-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:57:32 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEVhm-0006y1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:56:38 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEVYT-00041R-Cz; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:47:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEVPu-00025m-UC for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:38:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA16625 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: christian.bravom@alumnos.utfsm.cl Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEVPt-0005kQ-S0 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:38:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEVOw-0005hb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:37:10 -0400 Received: from aconcagua.alumnos.utfsm.cl ([200.1.21.93]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEVNy-0005cq-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:36:10 -0400 Received: from aconcagua.alumnos.utfsm.cl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aconcagua.alumnos.utfsm.cl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3GFZbNq003774 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:35:37 -0400 (CLT) Received: (from web@localhost) by aconcagua.alumnos.utfsm.cl (8.12.9/8.12.2/Submit) id i3GFZbjU003773 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:35:37 -0400 (CLT) X-Authentication-Warning: aconcagua.alumnos.utfsm.cl: web set sender to christian.bravom@alumnos.utfsm.cl using -f Received: from cmc3.inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca (cmc3.inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca [192.26.211.196]) by webmail.alumnos.utfsm.cl (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1082129737.407ffd492cd69@webmail.alumnos.utfsm.cl> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:35:37 -0400 To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 192.26.211.196 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] Implementing 802.11e (EDCF) in Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone, I want to implement EDCF (Enhanced DCF) over MAC 802.11 in glomosim to provide QoS in a MANET. Is anyone working on this? any experience? Any help would be appreciated. Regards, -- Christian Bravo INRS-EMT Montreal, Canada. PS: I've already asked in the Glomosim List. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Este email fue enviado usando IMP: https://webmail.alumnos.utfsm.cl/horde/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 13:42:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23791 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEXCN-0001PH-FW for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:32:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3GHWJ7Q005402 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:32:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEX6d-0008Qd-A1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:26:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23053 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEX6b-00064P-9X for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:26:21 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEX5m-000609-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:25:32 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEX5C-0005w9-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:24:54 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEWtl-0004Io-0P; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:13:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEWoI-0002S2-3A for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:07:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA22260 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEWoF-0004mq-Ts for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:07:23 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEWnO-0004jR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:06:31 -0400 Received: from kanfw1.ottawa.alcatel.ca ([192.75.23.69] helo=tm2.ca.alcatel.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEWmR-0004f1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:05:31 -0400 Received: from alcatel.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tm2.ca.alcatel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3GH5TRl028817 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40801259.EB5F52B5@alcatel.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:05:29 -0400 From: Ali El-Husseini Organization: Alcatel CID X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org References: <20040416160003.28184.43435.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ED9361AB01AAE9C0854C1041" Subject: [manet] Re: Why AODV is being called Distance Vector Protocol? (Stephen Goodacre) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ED9361AB01AAE9C0854C1041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AODV algo. is an On-Demand reactive algorithm based on DSDV proactive algorithm. DSDV, in turn, idea was based on Bellman Ford shortest path algo. which belongs to distance vector algorithm. In these type of algorithms, you have a routing table which keeps track of every destination and the best neighbor hop that leads to it. So, in static network, routing table of each node is the minimum spanning tree of the mesh network with a tree root the node itself. In link state algorithm, which is another approach in routing, each node has a view of all the network topology by tracking link status between all nodes. Hence, periodic updates apply to all links even the one that are not being used in routing.. Note the word distance in AODV/DSDV can be number of hops or any cost metric you select. So real name should be not DV but CV (cost vector) manet-request@ietf.org wrote: > Send manet mailing list submissions to > manet@ietf.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > manet-request@ietf.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > manet-admin@ietf.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of manet digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: 802.11 (Eastlake III Donald-LDE008) > 2. Olsr TC table help needed (manet user) > 3. ADHOC-NOW'04 -- Final Call for Papers (S.S.Ravi) > 4. Location service SLS (harsh mhase) > 5. Why AODV is being called Distance Vector Protocol? (Stephen Goodacre) > 6. Final call for papers (corrected) -- ADHOC-NOW'04 (S.S.Ravi) > 7. Implementing 802.11e (EDCF) in Glomosim (christian.bravom@alumnos.utfsm.cl) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 > To: "'DANIEL BYRNE'" > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:05:42 -0400 > > The two locations where you can find some information on the IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh Study Group are > http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/ and > http://www.802wirelessworld.com. The second is where the recent documents are. If you register at the 802wirelessword site, login, click on 802.11 and then on documents (you must log in first), you can get the following files: > 11-04-0054-02-0mes-par-ieee-802-11-ess-mesh.doc - proposed ESS Mes TG charter > 11-04-0056-01-0mes-five-criteria-ieee-802-11-ess-mesh.doc - proposed ESS Mes TG justification > 11-04-0110-02-0mes-MESH-SG-January-2004-Minutes.doc - minutes of January ESS Mesh SG meeting > 11-04-0280-05-0mes-mesh-agenda-march-2004.ppt - final updates agenda for March ESS Mesh SG meeting > 11-04-0395-01-0mes-mesh-sg-march-minutes.doc - minutes of March ESS Mesh SG meeting > > Donald > > -----Original Message----- > From: DANIEL BYRNE [mailto:daniel.byrne@adtran.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:32 PM > To: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008; manet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 > > Where can I get information on the ESS Mesh activity? > > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:19 PM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [manet] 802.11 > > The four address format is currently rarely used in 802.11 but will > probably be used by the new ESS Mesh activity in 802.11 which is > expected to be 802.11s. This activity is pretty much aimed at a > standardizing a layer 2+epsilon mesh of relatively limited size. > You might connect such meshes together with a layer 3 / MANET > protocol. > > Thanks, > Donald > > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of DANIEL BYRNE > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:29 PM > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] 802.11 > > Since the 802.11 mac header has address fields for sender, transmitter, > receiver and destination, why aren't ad-hoc routing protocols based upon > this seemingly built-in faciity for multihop routing? Each receving node > would simply have to change the rx address to the next hop. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: manet user > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] Olsr TC table help needed > > --0-1211533359-1082066474=:74121 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > I am involved with OLSR implementation and wanted confirm an observation. If TC table is hashed by "last_addr" i.e. originator address of the TC messages. At any given time and node, there can be only one entry for an originator addr. Is it true or i am interpreting it incorrectly. > Upon reception of TC mesg, according to RFC, we remove all the old seq_num entries (that can be only one) for this originator address. Then add the new one. So, at any node, there can be only one TC table entry for an originator address (with one seq num not list of seq numbers). > > If this is correct, a TC table may look like > > > Your comments will be of great help. Thanks in advance. > > -MU > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > --0-1211533359-1082066474=:74121 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > >
Hi,
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>
I am involved with OLSR implementation and wanted confirm an observation. If TC table is hashed by "last_addr" i.e. originator address of the TC messages. At any given time and node, there can be only one entry for an originator addr. Is it true or i am interpreting it incorrectly.
>
Upon reception of TC mesg, according to RFC, we remove all the old seq_num entries (that can be only one) for this originator address. Then add the new one. So, at any node, there can be only one TC table entry for an originator address (with one seq num not list of seq numbers).
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>
If this is correct, a TC table may look like
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<last_addr, seq_num, expiry time, LIST of dest_addrs>
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>
Your comments will be of great help. Thanks in advance.
>
 
>
-MU

>

Do you Yahoo!?
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Of interest but > are not limited, to research papers in any of the following areas: > > Access Control > Ad Hoc Networks of Autonomous Intelligent Systems > Analytic Methods and Modeling for Performance Evaluation > Applications for Ad Hoc Networks > Architectures of Ad-Hoc Networks > Distributed Algorithms for Ad Hoc Networks > Location Discovery and Management > Low Power and Energy-Efficient Designs > Mobile Ad Hoc Computing Platforms, Systems and Testbeds > Quality-of-Service > Routing Protocols (Unicast, Multicast, etc.) > Secure Services and Protocols > Sensor Networks > Self-Configuration > Service Discovery > Timing Synchronization > Wireless Internet > > Proceedings: To be published by Springer-Verlag, as part of the > Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. > > Supported by: > Carleton University > University of Alberta > Simon Fraser University > PIMS INSTITUTE > MITACS > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:48:57 -0700 > From: harsh mhase > To: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] Location service SLS > > Hello, > > I have been working on various location service performance analysis. I am trying to compile the SLS code provided by Dr. Tracy camp, but while compiling the code it is asking for locationservice.h file. I just want to know whether the files are located in the NS (version 2.1b7a). I have tried a lot to search for the file location in NS but was unable to find any thing. > > Please help me on this issue > > Thanks and Regards > Harsh > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Stephen Goodacre" > To: manet@ietf.org > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:38:09 +0800 > Subject: [manet] Why AODV is being called Distance Vector Protocol? > > I just start to do the ad hoc research. 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This version corrects that error. > Please accept our apologies for the error. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Important Dates: > > Paper Submissions Due: May 1, 2004 > Notification of Acceptance: May 14, 2004 > Panel/Tutorial Proposals Due: May 31, 2004 > Camera Ready Versions Due: June 1, 2004 > > Invited Speakers: > > Martha Steenstrup (Stow Research L.L.C) > Andrew Robison (Alcatel) > > Topics of Interest: > > We are interested in work in progress, experimental and theoretical > research in Ad-Hoc, Mobile and Wireless Networks. 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I'm working on secure routing protocol for ad hoc
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I = have two=20 simulator Ns-2 (v.2.26) and glomosim (v. 2.03),
but I have not extension of this software.
I would like also show the problem with secure in ad hoc
in an existing protocols, such as DSDV, AODV, DSR, but
I dont know, how change the behaviour of node.

Anyone knows where to get this extensions or exist
another=20 alternative for simulate them (software)?
I would appreciate for your = help

Thanks in advance..

Jan = =A3ukasik
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Register now to save money on registration fees!!! ====================================================================== ** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ** The Fifth ACM International Symposium on Mobile Ad Hoc Networking and Computing (MobiHoc) 2004 www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/ May 24-26, 2004 Tokyo, Japan MobiHoc 2004 is the fifth of a series of annual meetings sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE, focusing on the latest research in the rapidly growing area of mobile ad hoc networking and computing. The first MobiHoc was held in 2000 in Boston, Massachusetts, as a workshop affiliated with the MobiCom conference also sponsored by SIGMOBILE. Since then, MobiHoc has become a separate symposium, held in 2001 at Long Beach, California, in 2002 at Lausanne, Switzerland, in 2003 at Annapolis, Maryland, and now in 2004 at Tokyo, Japan. PROGRAM The MobiHoc 2004 program will consist of tutorials, technical papers and posters. Five tutorials will be presented, including tutorials on power control protocols in ad hoc networks, topology control, and sensor networks. The technical program spans 2 days and consists of 24 papers covering a wide variety of topics related to ad hoc networks and sensor networks. Please visit the MobiHoc 2004 Home Page at www.sigmobile.org/mobihoc/2004/, or send email to the General Chair, Jun Murai jun-mobihoc2004@wide.ad.jp or to mobihoc2004@isrmail.isr.umd.edu for any questions or for more information about the symposium. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 20 13:24:47 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06098 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFyh6-0004oW-5f for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:06:00 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3KH60eL018494 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:06:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFyNF-000417-US for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:45:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02741 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFyNE-0003LY-Al for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:45:28 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFyMQ-00033B-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:44:39 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFyLi-0002k4-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:43:54 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFxnz-0003jN-AT; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:09:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFxK7-0001Gs-CH for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:38:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26553 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFxK6-0005oO-9m for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:38:10 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFxIo-0005Le-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:36:50 -0400 Received: from plus.ds14.agh.edu.pl ([149.156.124.14] ident=postfix) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFxHY-0004zQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:35:32 -0400 Received: from plus (coolj [192.168.24.115]) by plus.ds14.agh.edu.pl (Postfix) with SMTP id DB4F62BC44 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:28:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c426eb$9fbdc280$7318a8c0@ds14.agh.edu.pl.coolj> From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Jan_=A3ukasik?= To: "manet" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:24:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426FC.632CA1E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [manet] ARAN Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426FC.632CA1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello... Where can I find glomosim code for ARAN, or others extensions (SRP, SAR, SAODV)?? thanks in advance. Jan =A3ukasik ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426FC.632CA1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello...
 
Where can I find glomosim code for ARAN, or
others extensions (SRP, SAR, SAODV)??
 
thanks in advance.
 
Jan =A3ukasik
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426FC.632CA1E0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 20 13:44:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07595 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFz3O-0005wj-1p for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:29:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3KHT1Ja022836 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:29:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFyrr-0001ll-D0 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:17:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05367 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFyrp-0001S8-FK for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:17:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFyqt-0001Ms-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:16:08 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFyq5-0001J2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:15:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFyUa-0008Ah-00; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:53:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFyCg-0007XH-0l for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:34:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01560 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFyCe-0007dF-DO for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:34:32 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFyBv-0007M3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:33:47 -0400 Received: from web61105.mail.yahoo.com ([216.155.196.107]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFyB5-00072i-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <20040420163222.56664.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.156.71.10] by web61105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:32:22 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: manet user To: manet@ietf.org Cc: olsr@inria.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-442200029-1082478742=:52642" Subject: [manet] Olsr Route Table calculation Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --0-442200029-1082478742=:52642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id MAA01561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 According to Olsr RFC section 10, while selecting next hop for a dest_add= r for h=3D 1, ties should be broken with highest willingness and MPR sele= ctors are preferred as next hop. =20 My questions is: why MPR selectors are preferred over MPR nodes for next = hop in case of h=3D1. For example, a two hop nbr is reachable through two= nodes, one of them is MPR and other is not (but it is in my mpr selector= list). According to RFC algorithm, we will select non MPR node as next h= op to reach this two hop node. Is there any particular reason for this ? =20 Please advise. Your comments will be of great help. =20 Thanks in advance. -MU =09 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 --0-442200029-1082478742=:52642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id MAA01561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
According to Olsr RFC section 10, while selecting next hop for a des= t_addr for h=3D 1, ties should be broken with highest willingness and MPR= selectors are preferred as next hop.
 
My questions is: why MPR selectors are preferred over MPR nodes for = next hop in case of h=3D1. For example, a two hop nbr is reachable throug= h two nodes, one of them is MPR and other is not (but it is in my mpr sel= ector list). According to RFC algorithm, we will select non MPR node as n= ext hop to reach this two hop node. Is there any particular reason for th= is ?
 
Please advise. Your comments will be of great help.
 
Thanks in advance.
-MU

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Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C42796.B67560E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, MU, There is no specific reason as long as we consider neighbor or two-hop = neighbor destinations. However for further destinations, by taking a MPR = selector and if the link fails then the intermediate node will = immediately issue a TC message that will inform the whole network of a = MPR selector link breakage. If the intermediate node takes a non MPR = selector as next hop, it will take several link breakage detections and = several switches to alternative links before actually realizing the MPR = selector link breakage.=20 Philippe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manet user=20 To: manet@ietf.org=20 Cc: olsr@inria.fr=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: [manet] Olsr Route Table calculation Hi, According to Olsr RFC section 10, while selecting next hop for a = dest_addr for h=3D 1, ties should be broken with highest willingness and = MPR selectors are preferred as next hop. My questions is: why MPR selectors are preferred over MPR nodes for = next hop in case of h=3D1. For example, a two hop nbr is reachable = through two nodes, one of them is MPR and other is not (but it is in my = mpr selector list). According to RFC algorithm, we will select non MPR = node as next hop to reach this two hop node. Is there any particular = reason for this ? Please advise. Your comments will be of great help. Thanks in advance. -MU -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C42796.B67560E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, MU,
 
There is no specific reason as long as = we consider=20 neighbor or two-hop neighbor destinations. However for further = destinations, by=20 taking a MPR selector and if the link fails then the intermediate node = will=20 immediately issue a TC message that will inform the whole network of a = MPR=20 selector link breakage. If the intermediate node takes a non MPR = selector as=20 next hop, it will take several link breakage detections and several = switches to=20 alternative links before actually realizing the MPR selector link = breakage.=20
 
Philippe
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 manet=20 user
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 = 6:32=20 PM
Subject: [manet] Olsr Route = Table=20 calculation

Hi,
 
According to Olsr RFC section 10, while selecting next hop for a=20 dest_addr for h=3D 1, ties should be broken with highest willingness = and MPR=20 selectors are preferred as next hop.
 
My questions is: why MPR selectors are preferred over MPR nodes = for next=20 hop in case of h=3D1. For example, a two hop nbr is reachable through = two nodes,=20 one of them is MPR and other is not (but it is in my mpr selector = list).=20 According to RFC algorithm, we will select non MPR node as next hop to = reach=20 this two hop node. Is there any particular reason for this ?
 
Please advise. Your comments will be of great help.
 
Thanks in advance.
-MU

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My questions are: 1) Does anybody know any other Glomosim implementation? 2) Does anybody know how can I get this Niigata implementation? 3) Does anybody know of an OLSRv11 implementation for NS-2? Best regards, -- ============================================= Rafael Paoliello Guimaraes PhD Student - Computer Networking Group Department of Computer Architecture (DAC) Polytechnical University of Catalonia (UPC) Phone: +34-934017187 Fax: +34-934017055 URL: http://people.ac.upc.es/rpaoliel ============================================= _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 21 12:35:58 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01026 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGKaq-0002t5-4s for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:29:00 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3LGT0s1011089 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:29:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGKEh-0000tU-Qm for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:06:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29245 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGKEg-0000oR-IZ for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:06:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGKDo-0000bN-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:05:13 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGKCt-0000N3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:04:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGJzY-00032K-PI; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:50:28 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGJCl-0001u7-4W for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:00:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26410 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGJCi-0005Ld-Gv for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:00:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGJBs-0005Cb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:59:09 -0400 Received: from bay10-f39.bay10.hotmail.com ([64.4.37.39] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGJBK-000521-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:58:34 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:58:04 -0700 Received: from 211.99.194.53 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:58:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.99.194.53] X-Originating-Email: [gorgegump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gorgegump@hotmail.com From: "Gorge Gump" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:58:03 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2004 14:58:04.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C544340:01C427B1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id KAA26411 Subject: [manet] what topic should i choose? any one can help me? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, dear all: I am a master student and I want to do some research on qos of manet.= I=20 am going to foucos my research on MAC layer and Network layer. Any one=20 could tell me anything that is deserved to dig deep? I will appreciate it= =20 very much for your kindly help. yours sincerely, Gang _________________________________________________________________ =CF=ED=D3=C3=CA=C0=BD=E7=C9=CF=D7=EE=B4=F3=B5=C4=B5=E7=D7=D3=D3=CA=BC=FE=CF= =B5=CD=B3=A1=AA MSN Hotmail=A1=A3 http://www.hotmail.com =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 21 18:32:27 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25245 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGQ1z-0003xT-PY for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:17:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3LMHN1Q015210 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:17:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGP6w-00020z-Q1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:18:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15113 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGP6u-0000UR-IK for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:18:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGP5s-0000F3-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:17:20 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGP4x-000016-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:16:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGOau-00040x-Rm; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:45:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGMtF-000468-CX for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:56:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07219 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGMtC-0006E5-IS for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:56:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGMsD-00063k-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:55:06 -0400 Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu ([171.67.16.117]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGMrJ-0005t1-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:54:09 -0400 Received: from saga3.Stanford.EDU (saga3.Stanford.EDU [171.64.15.133]) by smtp3.Stanford.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LIs3oE000550; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:54:03 -0700 Received: (from mukesh@localhost) by saga3.Stanford.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9) id i3LIs3hr017051; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mukesh Hira To: Rafael Paoliello Guimaraes cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] OLSR implementation for Glomosim In-Reply-To: <40867F22.1080702@ac.upc.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 > Hello, > > I have searched around for some OLSRv11 implementation for Glomosim and > the only implementation I have heard about was one developed by some > students of the Niigata Univ in Japan (as commented in an email posted > on 15 Oct 2003 in this list). My questions are: > > 1) Does anybody know any other Glomosim implementation? > 2) Does anybody know how can I get this Niigata implementation? You've to send email to the authors as mentioned in the 15 Oct 2003 email that you're pointing to (http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/manet/current/msg03014.html) We did the same and they gave us the source code that we're making use of for our simulations. If you happen to find out about other OLSR implementations for glomosim, please post the information to the mailing list :) - Mukesh > 3) Does anybody know of an OLSRv11 implementation for NS-2? > > Best regards, > > -- > > ============================================= > Rafael Paoliello Guimaraes > PhD Student - Computer Networking Group > Department of Computer Architecture (DAC) > Polytechnical University of Catalonia (UPC) > Phone: +34-934017187 Fax: +34-934017055 > URL: http://people.ac.upc.es/rpaoliel > ============================================= > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 21 23:01:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA12330 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGURt-0006nu-Jh for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:00:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3M30PAX026135 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:00:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGUO7-0005Ke-KZ for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:56:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA12132 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGUO4-0001xD-55 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:56:28 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGUN5-0001kJ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:55:28 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGUME-0001YX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:54:34 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGUGr-0001KE-DJ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:49:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGUEP-0000N6-CK for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:46:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11660 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGUEL-0007iT-V2 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:46:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGUDM-0007XL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:45:25 -0400 Received: from [210.32.0.5] (helo=zju.edu.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGUCb-0007BR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:44:38 -0400 Received: (eyou gateway send program); Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:04 +0800 X-EYOU-ORIGINAL-IP: 10.13.72.25 X-EYOU-ENVELOPE-MAILFROM: shzju@eyou.com Received: from unknown (HELO kelvin) (unknown@10.13.72.25) by 10.10.2.41 with ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:04 +0800 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:46:15 +0800 From: "Hang Su" To: "manet" Cc: "shzju" X-mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] A question about an integral Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all, I have read the paper [1] recently. I cannot understand the integral deduced by the paper. There is a square area whose side is 2a. There are sensors placed in the area. The number of sensors in the square area is a Poisson random variable, N with mean \lambda * A, where A=4*a*a. Let D_i be a random variable that denotes the length of the segment from a sensor located at (x_i,y_i), i=1,2,...n to the processing center. The position of the processing center is (a,a). Then, E[D_i|N=n]=\int_A{(x_i^2+y_i^2)^(1/2)*(1/4/a/a)}dA=0.765a ~~how to get it. The detailed procedure. My question is how to deduce the third "=". Any help would be appreciated. [1] S. Bandyopadhyay and E. J. Coyle, An Energy Efficient Hierarchical Clustering Algorithm for Wireless Sensor Networks, IEEE Infocom2003 Hang _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 22 00:13:27 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14881 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGVYX-0003BV-8J for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:11:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3M4BLIX012228 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:11:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGVR1-0007s6-GO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:03:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14597 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGVQz-0007S7-8d for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:03:33 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGVQ6-0007Eh-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGVP9-00072H-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGVHm-0004JI-FH; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:54:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGVFU-0002jI-Hs for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:51:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA14199 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGVFS-00055V-9X for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:51:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGVEZ-0004tO-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:50:43 -0400 Received: from web8301.mail.in.yahoo.com ([203.199.122.31]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGVE6-0004gb-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:50:14 -0400 Message-ID: <20040422034934.2079.qmail@web8301.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.212.113.2] by web8301.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:49:34 BST Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:49:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jyoti=20grover?= To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] how trace file is generated Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello i want to know how to run the tcl script given in mobility folder of ns-2.26.is there any need to change the script becoz no trace file is created here.& how to run the script. can anyone please tell me? thanks in advance with regards. jyoti ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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This notice is for people who are interested in OLSR implementation for GloMoSim in MANETs. OLSR for GloMoSim(OLSR-Niigata) is implemented by Prof. Kenichi Mase laborotory in Niigata University ,August 2003. We have mostly studied Network layer and MAC layer by simulations and experiments. We have been requested to send OLSR-Niigata for GloMoSim over 20 requests till now. If you need a OLSR-Niigata source code, please send a E-mail first to syoshida@ie.net.niigata-u.ac.jp and mgoto@ie.net.niigata-u.ac.jp. We wish your concerns and advices for our studies. Regards syoshida & gm On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:03:14 +0200 Rafael Paoliello Guimaraes wrote: > Hello, > > I have searched around for some OLSRv11 implementation for Glomosim and > the only implementation I have heard about was one developed by some > students of the Niigata Univ in Japan (as commented in an email posted > on 15 Oct 2003 in this list). 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Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:50:21 -0400 Received: from PCMullen2 (pc-mullen-2.NMSU.Edu [128.123.245.103]) by mail.nmsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417A32012; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:50:22 -0600 (MDT) From: "John Mullen" To: "'Hang Su'" , "'manet'" Subject: RE: [manet] A question about an integral Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:50:22 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c42868$5fd486d0$67f57b80@IEngr.ad.nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hang, I think I can answer this, assuming I decoded your question properly. If sensors are distributed within a region according to a Poisson process, the distribution of those sensors, given that there are N in the region, is uniform. Hence, the density of the placement distribution is 1/(4a^2) = (1/4/a/a). Given Sensor i located at (x_i, y_i), the straight line distance, d_i, to the processing center located at (0,0) is (x_i^2 + y_i^2)(1/2). Hence the integral is of the form: \int_A d_i f_(XY)(x_i,y_i) dA. This would be the expectation of D_i, given that N sensors are in the region you described. The computation of this integral is a bit difficult. One way, of course, is to use Maple or something like that. :-) If you want to do it the old fashioned way, note first that because of symmetry, you need only evaluate the integral over the first half of the first quadrant and multiply the result by eight. Also, I usually work in polar coordinates, so the integral would be over theta from zero to pi/4 radians. Because we are in a square region, r will range from zero to a/cos theta for that range of theta. (It helps to draw a picture). The change of variable technique involved here is a common engineering trick. It is described on p. 519 of _Advanced Engineering Mathematics_ by Kreyszig. At this point, you would have: 8/(4a^2) int_0^(pi/4) int_0^(a/cos theta) r^2 dr d theta Hope this helps, John Mullen -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hang Su Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:46 PM To: manet Cc: shzju Subject: [manet] A question about an integral hi all, I have read the paper [1] recently. I cannot understand the integral deduced by the paper. There is a square area whose side is 2a. There are sensors placed in the area. The number of sensors in the square area is a Poisson random variable, N with mean \lambda * A, where A=4*a*a. Let D_i be a random variable that denotes the length of the segment from a sensor located at (x_i,y_i), i=1,2,...n to the processing center. The position of the processing center is (a,a). Then, E[D_i|N=n]=\int_A{(x_i^2+y_i^2)^(1/2)*(1/4/a/a)}dA=0.765a ~~how to get it. The detailed procedure. My question is how to deduce the third "=". Any help would be appreciated. [1] S. Bandyopadhyay and E. J. Coyle, An Energy Efficient Hierarchical Clustering Algorithm for Wireless Sensor Networks, IEEE Infocom2003 Hang _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 22 11:00:13 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02716 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGfT0-0002gm-1I for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:46:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3MEkIjm010336 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:46:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGfOG-00016L-Pe for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:41:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01193 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGfO8-0001EH-Ma for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:41:16 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGfN4-0000ww-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:40:11 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGfMa-0000gV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:39:40 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGf9Q-0004sU-Gk; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:26:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGet9-0004kn-C3 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:09:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28441 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGet1-0000VC-Ht for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:09:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGesD-0000Ft-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:08:17 -0400 Received: from mailhub02.unibe.ch ([130.92.9.53]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGerU-0007jZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:07:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (scanhub01-eth0.unibe.ch [130.92.254.65]) by mailhub02.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B2D76579 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:06:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mailhub02.unibe.ch ([130.92.9.53]) by localhost (scanhub01 [130.92.254.65]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14765-01-71 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from asterix.unibe.ch (asterix.unibe.ch [130.92.64.4]) by mailhub02.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C4276580 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:06:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from vaiooo (ming [130.92.65.141]) by asterix.unibe.ch (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3ME6vb19258 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:06:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Marcin Michalak" Organization: Telscom To: manet@ietf.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:06:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4087ED9C.14793.E45B483@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-checked: by University of Berne Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [manet] Gateway: Tunneled vs. direct approach? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, Some time ago there was a discussion about tunneled vs. 'direct' approach to access outside world from ad-hoc network. I'm writing a summary and need following information: - which technologies use which approach? - has a general consensus been reached which approach shall be used? Thanks for help in advance. Regards, Marcin Michalak ---------------------------------------------------------- Marcin Michalak Research Engineer Mobile: +41 79 330 83 51 Telscom AG _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 22 11:39:54 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06159 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGg9e-0007Wi-VN for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:30:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3MFUMOC028924 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:30:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGg1z-0004aG-Jg for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:22:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04743 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGg1w-0004iT-NX for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:22:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGg16-0004QZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:21:32 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGg08-00047a-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:20:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGfn9-0007kJ-K8; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:07:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGfau-0004F9-Nl for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:54:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02142 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGfam-0004rD-Hl for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:54:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGfa6-0004ah-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:53:39 -0400 Received: from osgood.cc.nd.edu ([129.74.250.227]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGfZG-0004IH-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:46 -0400 Received: from globi.ee.nd.edu (globi.ee.nd.edu [129.74.28.183]) by osgood.cc.nd.edu (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i3MEqMvx017915; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:52:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200404221452.i3MEqMvx017915@osgood.cc.nd.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:52:21 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Haenggi Reply-To: Martin Haenggi Subject: Re: [manet] A question about an integral To: shzju@eyou.com Cc: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: QHVlIORhoVhQt8G90LYFCA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc X-ND-MTA-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:52:23 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4352 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hang: I've put a brief note at http://www.nd.edu/~mhaenggi/manet_dist.pdf It gives you not only the mean (which seems to be 0.769 rather than 0.765) but also the distribution. So you can figure out the higher moments, e.g., for energy consumption. Hope that helps. Martin Haenggi -- Martin Haenggi Assistant Professor Department of Electrical Engineering P: 574-631-6103 University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556 F: 574-631-4393 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 22 13:33:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12442 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhuq-0003OG-Nk for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:23:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3MHNCQO013028 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:23:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhqL-0001sm-JO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:18:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11399 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGhqH-00069y-Ey for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:18:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhoM-0005QI-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:16:31 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhnW-00057l-01 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:15:38 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BGhmh-0007zb-Ve for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:14:48 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhfE-0006Gf-5W; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:07:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhXz-00041R-AG for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:59:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10544 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGhXv-0000wu-Fl for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:59:31 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhWp-0000cd-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:58:24 -0400 Received: from mail02.powweb.com ([66.152.97.35]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhVp-0000Ic-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:57:21 -0400 Received: from tsjouthinkpad (adsl-64-173-43-6.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.173.43.6]) by mail02.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E4DFA70 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tyan-Shu Jou" To: Subject: RE: [manet] Gateway: Tunneled vs. direct approach? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c4288a$ddb8f320$6700a8c0@tsjouthinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4087ED9C.14793.E45B483@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I do not think any consensus exists on this topic. But you may also want to monitor the evolving progress on CAPWAP WG (and the lwapp ineternet draft, which triggered the formation of the WG), that touches related issues. --Tyan-Shu Jou Janusys Networks -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marcin Michalak Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:07 AM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] Gateway: Tunneled vs. direct approach? Hello, Some time ago there was a discussion about tunneled vs. 'direct' approach to access outside world from ad-hoc network. I'm writing a summary and need following information: - which technologies use which approach? - has a general consensus been reached which approach shall be used? Thanks for help in advance. Regards, Marcin Michalak ---------------------------------------------------------- Marcin Michalak Research Engineer Mobile: +41 79 330 83 51 Telscom AG _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 22 18:27:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA07915 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGmPv-0007wH-9o for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:11:35 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3MMBZ7B030512 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:11:35 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGm83-0003PX-79 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:53:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04404 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGm7y-0001Yd-Jr for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:53:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGm6E-00018O-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:51:15 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGm3c-0000Hr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:48:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGlod-0002Km-CN; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGknN-0002kY-Ua for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:27:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26731 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGknK-0007Xg-21 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGkm6-000796-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:26:23 -0400 Received: from che.ojctech.com ([209.254.133.74]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGkl1-0006Wm-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:25:15 -0400 Received: from che.ojctech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3MKOmRG010806 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:24:48 -0500 Received: (from dyoung@localhost) by che.ojctech.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3MKOlU7010804 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:24:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:24:47 -0500 From: David Young To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] Gateway: Tunneled vs. direct approach? Message-ID: <20040422202447.GA8029@che.ojctech.com> Mail-Followup-To: manet@ietf.org References: <4087ED9C.14793.E45B483@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4087ED9C.14793.E45B483@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 04:06:52PM +0200, Marcin Michalak wrote: > Hello, > Some time ago there was a discussion about tunneled vs. 'direct' > approach to access outside world from ad-hoc network. > I'm writing a summary and need following information: > - which technologies use which approach? > - has a general consensus been reached which approach shall be used? I think that it will depend on the network. I am concerned with community wireless networks. I expect for a community wireless network to be multihomed. I do not expect for it to run an EGP at the borders. Ordinarily, there will be NAT or 6to4 at the borders. Thus, if I let the gateways inject default routes into the IGP, then a node with (near-)equal path metric to two gateways may flip-flop between them, severing TCP connections each time. That must not happen, so I will require wireless routers to select a gateway, with substantial hysteresis, by more rigorous criteria than path metric alone. Routers will tunnel to the gateways. At , I've put up the beginnings of some documentation for a protocol that routers will use to advertise, discover, and negotiate for a gateway's services on our community wireless network in Urbana, Illinois (cuwireless.net). I invite your comments and criticisms on those documents. Sorry that they are not more self-contained. The way it works is essentially this: the IGP (OSPF, today; HSLS, in the future) is enlisted to disseminate gateway advertisements using, for example, OSPF Opaque LSAs. A router requests "gateway services" from gateways that meet its selection criteria. Gateway services can include NAT to a shared IPv4 number, NAT to an independent IP number, or a 6to4 subnet. Gateways answer, according to their resources and policy, with an offer or a refusal of gateway services. Finally, if a router gets an offer, it sets up a tunnel to the gateway. 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Fax : 0992-383441 ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 23 15:34:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03274 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH6Fh-0003s2-UX for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:22:22 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3NJMLHU014872 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:22:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH69G-00078g-QT for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:15:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA01635 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BH69F-0006RP-L1 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:15:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BH68B-00065j-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:14:36 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BH66P-0005S7-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH5oL-0007g7-ER; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:54:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH5UT-0005dN-GL for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:33:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25512 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BH5UQ-0001uB-SZ for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:33:30 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BH5TR-0001bN-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:32:29 -0400 Received: from berlinr.sprint.ca ([209.5.194.99]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BH5Si-0001K3-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from pavilion.dal.ca ([149.99.133.123]) by berlinr.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with ESMTP id <20040423183143.CUPV14123.berlinr.sprint.ca@pavilion.dal.ca> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:31:43 -0400 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040423152741.02cf8eb0@imap.dal.ca> X-Sender: artimym@imap.dal.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:30:39 -0300 To: manet@ietf.org From: "Maen M. Artimy" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [manet] Connectivity Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi, Do MANET routing protocols always assume full network connectivity? Can you guide me to any work on this subject? Thanks. Maen _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 23 23:54:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04674 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHEDE-0003uV-Gk for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:52:21 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3O3qKjT015031 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:52:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHEBj-0003Ht-J7 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:50:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04260 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BHEBh-0003JI-6d for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:50:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BHE87-0002Ng-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:47:04 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BHE2n-0001aK-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:41:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHDrf-00054t-2V; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:30:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHDnV-00040X-32 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:25:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02476 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BHDnS-0007Yi-H0 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:25:42 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BHDmL-0007GX-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:24:34 -0400 Received: from x86unx3.comp.nus.edu.sg ([137.132.80.24]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BHDlM-0006jE-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:23:32 -0400 Received: from e500b.comp.nus.edu.sg (e500b.comp.nus.edu.sg [137.132.90.26]) by x86unx3.comp.nus.edu.sg (8.9.1-20030924/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14213 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:22:52 +0800 (GMT-8) Received: from se11.comp.nus.edu.sg(137.132.80.19) by e500b.comp.nus.edu.sg via csmap id 9eeed7d2_959e_11d8_86ec_00304811dd60_2719; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:22:31 +0800 (SGT) Received: (from http@localhost) by se11.comp.nus.edu.sg (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.5) id i3O3N1eg028114; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:23:01 +0800 (SGT) X-Authentication-Warning: se11.comp.nus.edu.sg: http set sender to erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg using -f Received: from cm8.sigma224.maxonline.com.sg ([218.212.224.8]) (proxying for 192.122.134.249) (SquirrelMail authenticated user erinninn) by mysoc.nus.edu.sg with HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:23:01 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <3180.218.212.224.8.1082776981.squirrel@mysoc.nus.edu.sg> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:23:01 +0800 (SGT) To: manet@ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] Average number of neighbors Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME, PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Is there anyone have any paper on how to calculate average number of neighbors in a MANET? Thank you in advance! regards, inn inn _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 24 09:02:21 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13328 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHMm1-0000up-Je for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:00:50 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3OD0nEK003515 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:00:49 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHMiI-0008Ik-AX for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:56:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13195 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BHMiG-0005qP-Va for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:56:57 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BHMhM-0005b8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:56:00 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BHMga-0005ML-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:55:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHMYg-0005hG-5z; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:47:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHMWv-00058T-3i for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:45:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12816 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BHMWt-0002pV-MK for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:45:11 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BHMW8-0002Yh-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:44:24 -0400 Received: from web8304.mail.in.yahoo.com ([203.199.122.34]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BHMVV-0002Fd-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20040424124312.52864.qmail@web8304.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.66.63] by web8304.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:43:12 BST Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:43:12 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ash=20Mohammad=20Abbas?= Subject: Re: [manet] Average number of neighbors To: erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg Cc: manet@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3180.218.212.224.8.1082776981.squirrel@mysoc.nus.edu.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I do not know in which context you are talking. However, I came across a paper by J. Liu and B. Li published in the proc. of ICCCN 2002 titled "MobileGrid: Capacity-aware Topology Control in Mobile Ad hoc Networks". In this paper, the authors have argued that number of neighbors of a node should be around 3-9 to achieve better connectivity and not to have too much congestion. The neighbours can be estimated using a parameter Contention Index (CI). Further CI can be computed by overhearing RTS/CTS/ACK. An advantage of this method is that it does not require additional overheads. But a node which remains silent is not detected. You may download the above paper from IEEE site, if you or your institute has subscribed it. Hope this helps, Abbas --- erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there anyone have any paper on how to > calculate average number of > neighbors in a MANET? Thank you in advance! > > > regards, > inn inn > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet ===== Ash Mohammad Abbashttp://www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/~abbas ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Messenger ! --0-1453551188-1082811582=:64452-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 24 18:05:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09466 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHVFP-00048m-KP for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:03:44 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3OM3hUu015908 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:03:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHVC7-0000uE-JI for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:00:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08995 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BHVC4-0004cC-UN for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:00:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BHVB7-0004Mg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:59:17 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BHVA8-00046e-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:58:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHV54-0006GT-TQ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:53:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BHUzZ-0003p1-PO for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:47:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08500 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Sruthi.Yellamraju@asu.edu Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BHUzX-0001cR-3p for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BHUyZ-0001OP-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:46:20 -0400 Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu ([129.219.110.120]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BHUxm-0001AQ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:45:30 -0400 Received: from conversion.post5.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) id <0HWP00E0133V68@asu.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:45:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.asu.edu (smtp.asu.edu [129.219.110.107]) by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) with ESMTP id <0HWP00D9133VRG@asu.edu>; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:45:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from general1.asu.edu (general1.asu.edu [129.219.10.241]) by smtp.asu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/asu_smtp_relay,nullclient,tcp_wrapped) with ESMTP id i3OLjSQx020018; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:45:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:45:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [manet] Average number of neighbors In-reply-to: <3180.218.212.224.8.1082776981.squirrel@mysoc.nus.edu.sg> X-Sender: syella1@general1.asu.edu To: erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg Cc: manet@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi, You can calculate the number of neighbors in 2 different ways: - If you do not take the energy model into consideration, then the number of neighbors of a node is simply the number of nodes which are within a distance of transmission range( which wont change, as there is no energy depletion). You can calculate the no. of neighbors by simply calculating the distance between a node and every other node and checking if the distance between them is <= transmission range. - However, for a more practical and accurate depiction you have to use the Propagation model, calculate Reception range of a node(based on the current energy of the node, distance between the 2 nodes and antenna model) and see if this is within the reception threshold of a node. If so, then the nodes are neighbors. (This is kinda involved. If you are using NS2, there is plenty of material on the NS2 mailing list). I hope this helps! Good luck! Sruthi Yellamraju Graduate Student, Dept of Computer Science & Engineering Arizona State University, Tempe - 85281 On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there anyone have any paper on how to calculate average number of > neighbors in a MANET? 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Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:01:08 -0400 Received: from genesis (genesis.ee.ryerson.ca [172.16.1.23]) by eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3QF15RG066418 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:01:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from glau@ee.ryerson.ca) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:01:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Gabriel Lau X-X-Sender: To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [manet] TCP packet size, sent != received Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi all, I am currently working on a project using NS2 to simulate TCP over 802.11. However, I have encountered a problem where the received packet is always 20 bytes larger than the sent packet. I can access the TCP header and data without any problem. It's just that the common header size, th->size(), always returns 20 bytes more than the sent packet. I was told that this 20 bytes was added in the MAC layer and didn't get removed. So I simply subtracted that 20 bytes from th->size() and continue on with my simulation, and everything seems to work fine so far. My question is, is there a better solution to this? If you know the root of this problem, can you please let me know? Thanks in advance. 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Please consult the above URL for details regarding submissions. _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 26 13:25:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA04314 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BI9hz-0003FB-Mn for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:15:55 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3QHFtev012462 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:15:55 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BI9ag-0001C6-EF for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:08:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA03228 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BI9ae-0006VW-G7 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:08:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BI9Zk-0006QB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:07:25 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BI9ZE-0006KO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:06:52 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BI9Rg-00060I-3U; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:59:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BI9Hv-00032w-GU for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:48:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01986 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BI9Ht-0004wC-QJ for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:48:57 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BI9Gu-0004s5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:47:57 -0400 Received: from kanfw1.ottawa.alcatel.ca ([192.75.23.69] helo=tm3.ca.alcatel.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BI9Fw-0004mU-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:46:56 -0400 Received: from alcatel.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tm3.ca.alcatel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3QGks6Y021511; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <408D3CFF.FADC8710@alcatel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:46:55 -0400 From: Ali El-Husseini Organization: Alcatel CID X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: manet@ietf.org References: <20040424160003.1518.29713.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E2DA29036049758C00B01F9E" Subject: [manet] Re:Connectivity Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E2DA29036049758C00B01F9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In general, most of the on-demand routing published papers for routing in MANET (DSR AODV, etc..) assumes that they may hit cases where full connectivity is not possible due to node mobility. They try to solve this issue by setting a timer before sending RREQ. Upon time-out, they give a second try. If the second try wasn't successful, they stop trying. Proactive routing algorithms (e.g., DSDV) lists all destinations in their routing table and a cost metric beside each entry. Any destination with cost metric equal to infinity means unreachable. This happens during node mobility which may cause either temporary or permanent disconnected network. Logically, if the network is disconnected, there will be no way to deliver the message to or from the disconnected destination. In this particular case, On-demand routing generates more routing overhead in comparison to proactive routing approaches. This due to RREQ that will be flooding the network twice before declaring the target node is unreachable. For research studies, if you are measuring delivery rate make sure that the network is connected between the source and the destination since it would be unfair to say that the algorithm is not delivering the msg in case there was no route from the source to destination. Note, some routing techniques (e.g. Routing with guaranteed delivery, by Stojmenovic etal.) came out to solve delivery problem in connected network. For verifying that the network is connected, Dijkestra algorithm can be used for that. Regards, Ali El-Husseini > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:30:39 -0300 > To: manet@ietf.org > From: "Maen M. Artimy" > Subject: [manet] Connectivity > > Hi, > > Do MANET routing protocols always assume full network connectivity? > Can you guide me to any work on this subject? > > Thanks. > > Maen > --------------E2DA29036049758C00B01F9E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ali.el-husseini.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Ali El-Husseini Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ali.el-husseini.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:El-Husseini;Ali tel;cell:(613)799-6473 tel;fax:(613)836-7341 tel;home:(613)836-7950 tel;work:(613)784-3579 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Alcatel IP Division ; Verification and Validation Department adr:;;600 March Rd.;Kanata;Ontario;K2K 2E6;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:ali.el-husseini@alcatel.com title:Verification Engineer fn:
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Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Trust establishment * Key management in wireless/mobile environments * Economic incentives for collaboration * Security modeling and protocol design in the context of rational/malicious adversaries * Light-weight cryptography, efficient protocols and implementations * Intrusion detection, detection of malicious behaviour * Revocation of malicious parties * Secure PHY/MAC/routing protocols * Secure location determination * Denial of service * Privacy (location, contents, actions) * Anonymity, prevention of traffic analysis * Dependable wireless networking * Monitoring and surveillance =20 Awards We gratefully acknowledge funding from RSA Security to sponsor two = awards of $500 each: one for best paper and one for best student paper. =20 Paper submission instructions: Papers must meet the following restrictions: No longer than 10 pages (single or double column); in font no smaller than 11 points; must fit properly on US Letter-sized paper (8.5 inch x 11 inch) with reasonable margins. Instructions for electronic submission of papers will be posted at http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~adrian/wise2004/submission.html Important dates: Paper submission deadline: June 14, 2004 Notification of acceptance: August 2, 2004 Camera-ready papers due: August 16, 2004 Workshop date: October 1, 2004 Workshop Co-Chairs * Adrian Perrig, Carnegie Mellon University (perrig@cmu.edu) * Markus Jakobsson, RSA Laboratories (mjakobsson@rsasecurity.com) Program Committee:=20 Ari Juels, RSA Laboratories Bill Arbaugh, University of Maryland Brian DeCleene, Alphatech Brian Van Leeuwen, Sandia National Laboratories Douglas Maughan, DHS / HSARPA Jean-Pierre Hubaux, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Leendert van Doorn, IBM Research Nitin Vaidya, University of Illinois Radha Poovendran, University of Washington Susanne Wetzel, Stevens Institute of Technology Taieb Znati, NSF and University of Pittsburgh Wade Trappe, Rutgers University Wenke Lee, Georgia Institute of Technology Yair Amir, Johns Hopkins University Publicity Co-Chairs: Ari Juels, RSA Laboratories Srdjan Capkun, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Publication Chair: Saad Biaz, Auburn University Treasurer Yongguang Zhang, HRL Labs and UT-Austin=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C42BC6.08FE9EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

           &= nbsp;            Call for Papers

           &= nbsp; Workshop on Wireless Security (WiSe)

         (Pending Approval by ACM and ACM SIGMOBILE)

 

           &= nbsp;          in conjunction with

           &= nbsp;           ACM MobiCom 2004

 

           &= nbsp;            1 October 2004

           &= nbsp;           Philadelphia, PA

 

            http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~= adrian/wise2004

  

           &= nbsp;         Sponsored by SIGMOBILE

The third workshop on Wireless Security will = be held in conjunction with ACM MobiCom 2004. Topics of interest include, but = are not limited = to:

        * = Trust establishment

        * = Key management in wireless/mobile environments

        * Economic incentives for collaboration

        * Security modeling and protocol design in the context = of

          rational/malicious adversaries

        * Light-weight cryptography, efficient protocols and

          implementations

        * Intrusion detection, detection of malicious behaviour

        * Revocation of malicious parties

        * = Secure PHY/MAC/routing protocols

        * = Secure location determination

        * = Denial of service

        * = Privacy (location, contents, actions)

        * Anonymity, prevention of traffic analysis

        * Dependable wireless networking

        * Monitoring and surveillance

 

Awards

We gratefully acknowledge funding from RSA = Security to sponsor two awards of $500 each: one for best paper and one for best = student paper.

 

Paper submission = instructions:

        = Papers must meet the following restrictions: No longer

        = than 10 pages (single or double column); in font no smaller = than

        11 points; must fit properly on US Letter-sized paper

        = (8.5 inch x 11 inch) with reasonable margins.

        = Instructions for electronic submission of papers will be posted

        at = http://w= ww.ece.cmu.edu/~adrian/wise2004/submission.html

Important dates:

        = Paper submission deadline: June 14, = 2004

        Notification of acceptance: August 2, 2004

        Camera-ready papers due: August 16, = 2004

        = Workshop date: October 1, 2004

Workshop Co-Chairs

        * = Adrian Perrig, Carnegie = Mellon University

          (perrig@cmu.edu)

        * = Markus Jakobsson, RSA Laboratories

          (mjakobsson@rsasecurity.com)

Program Committee: 

        = Ari Juels, RSA Laboratories

        = Bill Arbaugh, University of Maryland

        = Brian DeCleene, Alphatech

        = Brian Van Leeuwen, Sandia National Laboratories

        = Douglas Maughan, DHS / HSARPA

        Jean-Pierre Hubaux, Swiss Federal Institute of = Technology

        = Leendert van Doorn, IBM Research

        = Nitin Vaidya, University of Illinois

        = Radha Poovendran, University of Washington

        = Susanne Wetzel, Stevens Institute of Technology

        = Taieb Znati, NSF and University of Pittsburgh

        = Wade Trappe, Rutgers = University

        = Wenke Lee, Georgia Institute of Technology

        = Yair Amir, Johns = Hopkins University

Publicity Co-Chairs:

        = Ari Juels, RSA Laboratories

     =    Srdjan Capkun, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology

Publication Chair:

        = Saad Biaz, Auburn = University

Treasurer

        = Yongguang Zhang, HRL Labs and UT-Austin 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C42BC6.08FE9EC0-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 26 18:56:14 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01671 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIEwh-00084i-Vr for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:51:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3QMpRnY031040 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:51:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIEqe-0007Xk-KP for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:45:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01057 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIEqb-0003rI-K5 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:45:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIEpS-0003gg-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:43:59 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIEob-0003Wn-01 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:43:05 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BIEby-0002ix-KA for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:30:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIESJ-0003HM-4H; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:20:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIEG0-00054d-H1 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:07:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA27871 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIEFx-0001D5-Mv for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:07:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIEF2-00016H-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:06:21 -0400 Received: from mail.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.136.21] helo=smtp-02.primus.ca) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIEEA-00010q-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:05:26 -0400 Received: from dsl-207-112-89-203.tor.primus.ca ([207.112.89.203] helo=qwertyuiop2003) by smtp-02.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BIEEA-0002Ei-0A; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:05:26 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c42bda$8e91c800$8501a8c0@qwertyuiop2003> Reply-To: "Tao Lin" From: "Tao Lin" To: "Gabriel Lau" , References: Subject: Re: [manet] TCP packet size, sent != received Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:05:15 -0400 Organization: Virginia Tech MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is because of a bug in ns2. The 20 bytes header is added to the user packet when the routing agent, not MAC layer agent, process it. However, there is no agent to take care of this, for example, remove it, when the packet reach the destination node. This has nothing to do with TCP or UDP. In other words, if you use UDP, you will also see this. To my knowledge, the current best way to handle it is what you just did. Tao Lin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Lau" To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: [manet] TCP packet size, sent != received > Hi all, > > I am currently working on a project using NS2 to simulate TCP over 802.11. > However, I have encountered a problem where the received packet is always > 20 bytes larger than the sent packet. I can access the TCP header and > data without any problem. It's just that the common header size, > th->size(), always returns 20 bytes more than the sent packet. I was told > that this 20 bytes was added in the MAC layer and didn't get removed. So > I simply subtracted that 20 bytes from th->size() and continue on with my > simulation, and everything seems to work fine so far. My question is, is > there a better solution to this? If you know the root of this problem, > can you please let me know? Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > Gabriel > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 26 22:52:11 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA12883 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIIZs-0004dm-GX for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:44:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3R2i8Bv017833 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:44:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIIYM-0004QC-D7 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:42:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA12402 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIIYJ-0003q7-26 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:42:31 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIIXR-0003iP-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:41:38 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIIWW-0003bL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:40:40 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIIOA-0002ta-5q; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:32:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIIL3-0002N9-Tz for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:28:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11911 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIIL0-0002GG-JK for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:28:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIIK7-00029C-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:51 -0400 Received: from control.csl.uiuc.edu ([130.126.136.199]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIIJS-00021Q-00 for manet@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:10 -0400 Received: from maggie.csl.uiuc.edu (maggie.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.136.218]) by control.csl.uiuc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with SMTP id i3R2QbL4002121; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:26:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200404270226.i3R2QbL4002121@control.csl.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:26:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Feng Xue Reply-To: Feng Xue Subject: Re: [manet] Average number of neighbors To: erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg Cc: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: xHsC8X74Hh0BSBVyrBwhNA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 I don't know what exactly you are looking for. I know several papers considered the question of how many neighbors a node should have in order to maximize throughput or to maintain connectivity. If the network is modeled as Poission point process on a plane, in order to maximize the one hop progress of a packet in the desired direction under certain transmission protocols, H. Takagi and L. Kleinrock showed 6 or 8 is the "magic number". "Optimal transmission ranges for randomly distributed packet radio terminals," IEEE Trans. Commun., vol. COM-32, pp. 246-257, 1984. Several papers followed this paper and former paper by Kleinrock et al. If the wireless network is modeled as n nodes distributed uniformly within some fixed area, say, a disk, and suppose the question is to choose a common range for the nodes to maintain connectivity with high probability, P. Gupta and PR Kumar show that the critical range should be choosen such that each node has on average log(n) neighbors. If the question is to choose a common number of neighbors that each node needs to connect to, then F. Xue and PR Kumar show that O(log(n)) is needed. Both papers can be found from Kumar's (UIUC) webpage. Erran L. Li et al at Bell-labs considered a "cone-based" distributed topology control algorithm to maintain connectivity, where they considered the following question: Suppose each node connects to neighboring nodes such that there is at least one with any angle of degree \alpha, how should \alpha be choosen to achieve connectivity? They show \alpha=5 \pi/6 is critical. The paper can be found from Li's webpage at Bell-labs. Hope this can help. Feng --- erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg wrote: >Hi all, > > Is there anyone have any paper on how to calculate average number of >neighbors in a MANET? Thank you in advance! > > >regards, >inn inn > >_______________________________________________ >manet mailing list >manet@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 00:37:19 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18511 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIKDq-00015W-WA for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:29:31 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3R4TU6E004183 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:29:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIKBE-0000ks-Af for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:26:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18054 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIKBB-000263-QK for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:26:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIKAK-0001wt-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:25:53 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIK9b-0001nR-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:25:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIJzt-0007eB-M7; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:15:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIJuO-0005w4-L4 for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:09:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA16758 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIJuM-0007E9-AF for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:09:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIJss-0006tD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:07:50 -0400 Received: from mail.ece.gatech.edu ([199.77.227.200]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIJre-0006Vz-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:06:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (bigzilla.ece.gatech.edu [130.207.225.103]) by mail.ece.gatech.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3R46QX0027615; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ece.gatech.edu ([199.77.227.200]) by localhost (bigzilla.ece.gatech.edu [130.207.225.103]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17989-09; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AUGUSTO (c-24-99-119-3.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.99.119.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ece.gatech.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3R46DcV027604; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tommaso Melodia" To: , Subject: R: [manet] Average number of neighbors Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:06:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01c42c0c$fad79a80$220110ac@AUGUSTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200404270226.i3R2QbL4002121@control.csl.uiuc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ece.gatech.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Inn Inn, if you are interested in topology control, you might also want to have a look at our paper: T. Melodia, D. Pompili, Ian F. Akyildiz, "Optimal Local Topology Knowledge for Energy Efficient Geographical Routing in Sensor Networks", in Proceedings of IEEE INFOCOM 2004, Hong Kong SAR, PRC. It is on my web page: http://users.ece.gatech.edu/tommaso/ Hope this helps, Tommaso > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] Per conto di Feng > Xue > Inviato: luned=EC 26 aprile 2004 22.27 > A: erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Oggetto: Re: [manet] Average number of neighbors >=20 > I don't know what exactly you are looking for. > I know several papers considered the question of how many neighbors > a node should have in order to maximize throughput or to maintain > connectivity. >=20 > If the network is modeled as Poission point process on a plane, in order > to > maximize the one hop progress of a packet in the desired direction under > certain transmission protocols, H. Takagi and L. Kleinrock showed > 6 or 8 is the "magic number". > "Optimal transmission ranges for randomly distributed packet radio > terminals," > IEEE Trans. Commun., vol. COM-32, pp. 246-257, 1984. > Several papers followed this paper and former paper by Kleinrock et al. >=20 > If the wireless network is modeled as n nodes distributed uniformly within > some fixed area, say, a disk, and suppose the question is to choose a > common range > for the nodes to maintain connectivity with high probability, > P. Gupta and PR Kumar show that the critical > range should be choosen such that each node has on average log(n) > neighbors. > If the question is to choose a common number of neighbors that > each node needs to connect to, then F. Xue and PR Kumar show that > O(log(n)) is needed. Both papers can be found from Kumar's (UIUC) webpage. >=20 > Erran L. Li et al at Bell-labs considered a "cone-based" distributed > topology > control algorithm to maintain connectivity, where they considered the > following question: Suppose each node connects to neighboring nodes such > that there is at least one with any angle of degree \alpha, how should > \alpha > be choosen to achieve connectivity? They show \alpha=3D5 \pi/6 is critical. > The paper can be found from Li's webpage at Bell-labs. >=20 > Hope this can help. >=20 > Feng >=20 >=20 > --- erinninn@comp.nus.edu.sg wrote: >=20 > >Hi all, > > > > Is there anyone have any paper on how to calculate average number of > >neighbors in a MANET? Thank you in advance! > > > > > >regards, > >inn inn > > > >_______________________________________________ > >manet mailing list > >manet@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 08:18:18 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA25880 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIROU-0007zL-DV for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:08:59 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RC8wra030698 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:08:58 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIRGn-0006Ws-Ds for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:01:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24658 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIRGi-0001a9-Mx for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:00:56 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIRFl-0001Me-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:59:58 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIRFP-00019W-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:59:35 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIR4K-0004Hi-6a; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:48:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIQvP-0002XP-0d for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:38:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23451 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIQvK-0004HJ-Ea for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:38:50 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIQuO-00045b-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:37:53 -0400 Received: from [200.231.0.49] (helo=conde.cpqd.com.br) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIQu4-0003ta-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:37:33 -0400 Received: from fw-cpqd (dmz-int.cpqd.org.br [200.231.0.35]) by conde.cpqd.com.br (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3RBbOj04869 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:37:24 -0300 Received: from gandalf.cpqd.com.br ([10.202.128.110]) by fw-cpqd; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:36:44 -0300 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6524.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:36:06 -0300 Message-ID: <6B9604063D23374295487CA69A85EBA8EA49B0@MAILSRV1.aquarius.cpqd.com.br> Thread-Topic: coders Thread-Index: AcQsS9O4UjYV2vBZRmiNLs9mtJ9nFg== From: "Paulo Henrique Marques Santos" To: X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [manet] coders Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm doing a research in what are the most used coders to voice = communication in ad hoc networks ... what I've observed is that = bandwidth plays an important role in determining what should be the best = choice to be done... so ... should I consider only vocoders (as GSM-AMR = or G.729A for example) in my research (due to the reduction in = transmission rate characteristic)? thanks for attention, Paulo Henrique M. Santos _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 08:55:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28197 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIRqR-0001DU-T9 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:37:51 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RCbpKE004670 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:37:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIRjz-0007Kz-90 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:31:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27036 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIRju-0001Cz-9H for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:31:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIRii-0000uL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:29:52 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIRhi-0000eZ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:28:50 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIRXG-0001LW-7S; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:18:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIRMb-0007Lp-BC for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:07:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA25133 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIRMW-00036c-F0 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:06:56 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIRLk-0002t9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:06:08 -0400 Received: from bay1-f94.bay1.hotmail.com ([65.54.245.94] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIRKz-0002Zu-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:05:21 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 05:04:52 -0700 Received: from 211.21.131.24 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:04:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.21.131.24] X-Originating-Email: [zhaoyuting77@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zhaoyuting77@hotmail.com From: "z yt" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:04:52 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2004 12:04:52.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8BD7530:01C42C4F] Subject: [manet] Which is the best simulator for ad hoc? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 hi, all manets! We are beginning our research in ad hoc. We are looking for a good simulator for study. If there is any one tell us how to select a simulator? Either the commercial or free is OK. Thanks in advance! _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 10:50:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05032 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITsy-0003wn-Qt for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:48:39 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3REmams015165 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:48:36 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITis-0002fX-Sw for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:38:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04445 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BITim-0002tC-Ix for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:38:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BITi5-0002o8-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:37:22 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BITgi-0002ky-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITY7-0008Bc-IV; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:27:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITVA-0007C4-Mj for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:24:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03619 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:23:54 -0400 (EDT) From: bjxiemin@sohu.com Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BITV4-0002CT-HB for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:23:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BITU3-0002Al-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:22:52 -0400 Received: from [61.135.145.13] (helo=websmtp03.sohu.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BITTA-00028h-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:21:56 -0400 Received: from mx22.mail.sohu.com (unknown [192.168.41.136]) by websmtp03.sohu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978DE67383 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:21:57 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <5787287.1083075717546.JavaMail.postfix@mx22.mail.sohu.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:21:57 +0800 (CST) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Sohu Web Mail 2.0.13 X-SHIP: 202.84.17.41 X-Priority: 3 X-SHMOBILE: 0 X-SHBIND: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [manet] [manet]what's the difference between Link-State & Distance Vector? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm a student. And although I have saw something about Ad Hoc, still I don't know the difference between Link-State and Distance Vector. Maybe it is a stupid question,but it is important to me. Wait for reply. Thank you! Xie Min _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 11:12:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06343 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIUAo-0007zE-Io for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:07:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RF72KP030697 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:07:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIU61-0006xI-O5 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:02:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA05534 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIU5v-0003w2-8W for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:01:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIU51-0003t9-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIU4L-0003qH-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:00:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITtR-0004Ek-GM; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:49:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIToV-0003M3-Or for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:43:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04676 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIToP-00038f-Gk for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:43:53 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BITnR-00036g-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:42:54 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BITmV-00034R-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:41:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3F53AB5EF; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23555-03; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aceeinspiron (unknown [172.31.253.154]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EA9A3AB5E3; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020f01c42c65$c8d8ffc0$0202a8c0@aceeinspiron> From: "Acee Lindem" To: "OSPF Discussion List" , "MANET List" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:41:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] MANET Extensions to OSPF Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is significant interest in some level of MANET support in OSPF. While this is relatively new to the OSPF WG, the idea has been discussed in the MANET WG for some time. After a lengthy discussion among the routing ADs and WGs, we would believe that we should pursue this work but it should NOT preclude the work on MANET protocols that is being done in the MANET WG. The integration of MANET and OSPF should be bounded such that an OSPF implementation geared toward traditional enterprise and ISP requirements should not be impacted by the MANET extensions. Furthermore, at this juncture, we should not try to address all possible MANET scenarios or statisfy extreme scaling requirements interesting from a research perspective. A strawman for OSPF WG scope is suggested below: 1. The work should be limited to OSPFv3. Mainly due to the fact this keeps us from having to do it twice and the OSPFv3 design point of running on a link rather than a subnet is more natural for MANET. Additionally, there are far more OSPFv2 deployments and limiting the discussion to OSPFv3 will limit the potential impact of the extensions. 2. An OSPFv3 implementation that doesn't implement the MANET extensions should not be impacted by the extensions. Furthermore, failre to implement the extensions in non-MANET environments should not result in any interoperability or degradation in function. 3. Ideally, the MANET extensions would be modular enough that the MANET unique considerations for future OSPFv3 extensions are minimized. This is very hard to quantify. 4. At least initially, the OSPFv3 extensions should not be subject to the scalability requirements of the MANET work going on in the IRTF. 5. Since all the OSPF MANET extensions proposed heretofore suggest flooding optimizations we have to very careful about where and how we choose the boundary for the extensions. 6. Where both IPR and non-IPR encumbered mechanisms are proposed, the WG will analyze the technical merits and will try to prefer unencumbered technology without making technical sacrificies. Thanks, ------ Acee _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 11:12:50 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06378 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIUBR-0008Hs-Mn for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:07:41 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RF7fJa031852 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:07:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIU8z-0007Yz-Mm for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:05:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA05726 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIU8t-0004A1-0h for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:05:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIU80-00046C-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:04:09 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIU7D-00042S-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:03:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITuM-0004PZ-7S; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:50:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BITqP-0003St-Km for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:45:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04783 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BITqJ-0003DM-8K for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:45:51 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BITpS-0003By-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:44:58 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIToZ-00039z-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:44:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B86F3AB5EF; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23770-09; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aceeinspiron (unknown [172.31.253.154]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 653373AB5E3; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <021501c42c66$151599c0$0202a8c0@aceeinspiron> From: "Acee Lindem" To: "OSPF Discussion List" , "MANET List" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:44:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are at least 3 drafts describing MANET extensions. While the goals of the drafts are similar, they propose different mechanisms. We've discussed forming a design team to evaluate the mechanisms, determine which are both preferred and required for the initial pass, and converge on a single draft. At least my preference would be that we also evaluate the mechanisms with respect to the proposed OSPF MANET work scope. 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From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 13:30:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15467 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWIe-0007Wl-Nd for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RHNGJZ028931 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWB4-0006Bb-Ir for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:15:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14443 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIWB0-0006sE-Kx for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:15:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWA4-0006jv-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:14:25 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIW9S-0006d2-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:13:46 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIVuE-00021c-Tn; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIVoO-0000RZ-6F for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:52:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12552 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIVoK-0004O7-FV for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:51:56 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIVnS-0004LM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:51:02 -0400 Received: from mail02.powweb.com ([66.152.97.35]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIVmo-0004I9-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:50:22 -0400 Received: from tsjouthinkpad (adsl-64-173-43-6.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.173.43.6]) by mail02.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B2EE7E43; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tyan-Shu Jou" To: "'OSPF Discussion List'" , "'MANET List'" Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:49:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c42c77$a7995230$6700a8c0@tsjouthinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <021501c42c66$151599c0$0202a8c0@aceeinspiron> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It has taken a LONG time for MANET to consolidate from a lot different protocols into current 3 (in fact should be 4) protocols. Naturally the next step is to reduce the number even further. Therefore, if the group should add more protocols for consideration, I believe it will be more convincing if their merits can be provided such as - What are the scenarios or applications that the new candidate is better for and why the existing ones cannot, and - How important the above scenarios are and the tightness to the MANET problem statement. Thanks. --Tyan-Shu Jou -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:44 AM To: OSPF Discussion List; MANET List Subject: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps There are at least 3 drafts describing MANET extensions. While the goals of the drafts are similar, they propose different mechanisms. We've discussed forming a design team to evaluate the mechanisms, determine which are both preferred and required for the initial pass, and converge on a single draft. At least my preference would be that we also evaluate the mechanisms with respect to the proposed OSPF MANET work scope. Thanks, ------ Acee _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 13:56:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16927 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWki-0005j1-1P for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:52:18 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RHqGGu022002 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:52:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWX0-0002Jf-AN for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:38:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15899 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIWWw-0001QW-7n for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:38:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWW4-0001M1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:37:08 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWVc-0001Hk-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:36:40 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWPH-0000Xy-T0; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:30:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWDh-0006rw-Ds for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:18:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14776 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIWDd-0007Kf-Fr for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:18:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWCy-0007Et-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:17:25 -0400 Received: from 63-197-255-158.ded.pacbell.net ([63.197.255.158] helo=sinett.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWC2-0006zp-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:16:26 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:16:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps thread-index: AcQseurRc48fSd+jTFiB6U183E0gggAADuQQ From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "Tyan-Shu Jou" , "OSPF Discussion List" , "MANET List" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tyan-Shu Jou, I think Acee is referring to the consolidation of OSPF based MANET proposals. Thanks, Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tyan-Shu Jou Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:50 AM To: 'OSPF Discussion List'; 'MANET List' Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps It has taken a LONG time for MANET to consolidate from a lot different protocols into current 3 (in fact should be 4) protocols. Naturally the next step is to reduce the number even further. Therefore, if the group should add more protocols for consideration, I believe it will be more convincing if their merits can be provided such as - What are the scenarios or applications that the new candidate is better for and why the existing ones cannot, and - How important the above scenarios are and the tightness to the MANET problem statement. Thanks. --Tyan-Shu Jou -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:44 AM To: OSPF Discussion List; MANET List Subject: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps There are at least 3 drafts describing MANET extensions. While the goals of the drafts are similar, they propose different mechanisms. We've discussed forming a design team to evaluate the mechanisms, determine which are both preferred and required for the initial pass, and converge on a single draft. At least my preference would be that we also evaluate the mechanisms with respect to the proposed OSPF MANET work scope.=20 Thanks, ------ Acee _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 13:58:40 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17063 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWms-00065r-Ru for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:54:30 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RHsU7S023418 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:54:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWcv-0003lq-BH for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:44:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16178 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIWcr-00020D-5E for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:44:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWc2-0001us-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:43:19 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWbJ-0001p5-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:42:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWPN-0000aH-FN; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:30:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIWIY-0007Ul-Gk for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15036 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIWIU-0007mL-Gt for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWHd-0007hi-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:22:14 -0400 Received: from 63-197-255-158.ded.pacbell.net ([63.197.255.158] helo=sinett.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIWHE-0007bw-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:21:48 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:21:23 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps thread-index: AcQseurRc48fSd+jTFiB6U183E0gggAADuQQAAAjn2A= From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "Tyan-Shu Jou" , "OSPF Discussion List" , "MANET List" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please ignore my last mail. I think I misunderstood. I agree that the two points pointed out should be specified. Thanks, Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: Vishwas Manral=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:16 AM To: 'Tyan-Shu Jou'; 'OSPF Discussion List'; 'MANET List' Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps Hi Tyan-Shu Jou, I think Acee is referring to the consolidation of OSPF based MANET proposals. Thanks, Vishwas -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tyan-Shu Jou Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:50 AM To: 'OSPF Discussion List'; 'MANET List' Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps It has taken a LONG time for MANET to consolidate from a lot different protocols into current 3 (in fact should be 4) protocols. Naturally the next step is to reduce the number even further. Therefore, if the group should add more protocols for consideration, I believe it will be more convincing if their merits can be provided such as - What are the scenarios or applications that the new candidate is better for and why the existing ones cannot, and - How important the above scenarios are and the tightness to the MANET problem statement. Thanks. --Tyan-Shu Jou -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:44 AM To: OSPF Discussion List; MANET List Subject: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps There are at least 3 drafts describing MANET extensions. While the goals of the drafts are similar, they propose different mechanisms. We've discussed forming a design team to evaluate the mechanisms, determine which are both preferred and required for the initial pass, and converge on a single draft. At least my preference would be that we also evaluate the mechanisms with respect to the proposed OSPF MANET work scope.=20 Thanks, ------ Acee _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 15:15:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22766 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIXzz-0000OP-2M for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RJC7WJ001495 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIXwt-00072z-P6 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:08:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA21597 for ; 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Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:50:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIXdh-0000SJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:49:05 -0400 Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.64.48]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIXcz-0000JA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:48:21 -0400 Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id LAA05420; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id i3RIlp426195; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:47:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NW-27.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.101]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:47:50 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6521.0 Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: <6938661A6EDA8A4EA8D1419BCE46F24C040605D3@xch-nw-27.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps Thread-Index: AcQseuz4/xQKyPIiT7ajSzKeN/1tgAADEUIA From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Tyan-Shu Jou" Cc: "OSPF Discussion List" , "MANET List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2004 18:47:50.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[2444CE80:01C42C88] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe that Acee is referring to these three OSPF-specific drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chandra-ospf-manet-ext-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.t= xt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-in= terface-00.txt not the 4 MANET protocols finalized already by the MANET WG. answers to your questions might be found in: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-manet-ospf-problem-statem= ent-00.txt Regards, Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Tyan-Shu Jou [mailto:tsjou@janusysnetworks.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:50 AM > To: 'OSPF Discussion List'; 'MANET List' > Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps >=20 >=20 > It has taken a LONG time for MANET to consolidate from a lot different > protocols into current 3 (in fact should be 4) protocols.=20 > Naturally the > next step is to reduce the number even further. > Therefore, if the group should add more protocols for consideration, I > believe it will be more convincing if their merits can be=20 > provided such > as > - What are the scenarios or applications that the new candidate is > better for and why the existing ones cannot, and=20 > - How important the above scenarios are and the tightness to the MANET > problem statement. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > --Tyan-Shu Jou >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Acee Lindem > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:44 AM > To: OSPF Discussion List; MANET List > Subject: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps >=20 > There are at least 3 drafts describing MANET extensions.=20 > While the goals > of the drafts are similar, they propose different mechanisms. We've > discussed > forming a design team to evaluate the mechanisms, determine which are > both preferred and required for the initial pass, and converge on a > single=20 > draft. At least my preference would be that we also evaluate the > mechanisms > with respect to the proposed OSPF MANET work scope.=20 >=20 > Thanks,=20 > ------ > Acee >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 27 15:48:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25160 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIYWQ-0007eK-Bl for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:45:38 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3RJjcl0029395 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aceeinspiron (unknown [172.31.253.154]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F0D3EBB58A5 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02d701c42c8d$1c08dbd0$0202a8c0@aceeinspiron> From: "Acee Lindem" To: "MANET List" Subject: Re: [manet] OSPF MANET next steps Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:23:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes - that is exactly what I meant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps I believe that Acee is referring to these three OSPF-specific drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chandra-ospf-manet-ext-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-spagnolo-manet-ospf-wireless-interface-00.txt not the 4 MANET protocols finalized already by the MANET WG. answers to your questions might be found in: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-manet-ospf-problem-statement-00.txt Regards, Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Tyan-Shu Jou [mailto:tsjou@janusysnetworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:50 AM > To: 'OSPF Discussion List'; 'MANET List' > Subject: RE: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps > > > It has taken a LONG time for MANET to consolidate from a lot different > protocols into current 3 (in fact should be 4) protocols. > Naturally the > next step is to reduce the number even further. > Therefore, if the group should add more protocols for consideration, I > believe it will be more convincing if their merits can be > provided such > as > - What are the scenarios or applications that the new candidate is > better for and why the existing ones cannot, and > - How important the above scenarios are and the tightness to the MANET > problem statement. > > Thanks. > > --Tyan-Shu Jou > > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Acee Lindem > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:44 AM > To: OSPF Discussion List; MANET List > Subject: [manet] OSPF MANET - Next Steps > > There are at least 3 drafts describing MANET extensions. > While the goals > of the drafts are similar, they propose different mechanisms. We've > discussed > forming a design team to evaluate the mechanisms, determine which are > both preferred and required for the initial pass, and converge on a > single > draft. At least my preference would be that we also evaluate the > mechanisms > with respect to the proposed OSPF MANET work scope. > > Thanks, > ------ > Acee > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > ------ Acee _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 28 10:45:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA19580 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIqEW-000354-JF for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:40:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3SEeKvU011833 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:40:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIq9h-0000iJ-NO for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:35:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA17975 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIq9H-0001ze-SJ for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:34:55 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIq66-0001LB-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:31:38 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIq4e-0000xL-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:30:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIoyy-0003tX-Qo; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:20:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIor2-0001Yh-KK for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13693 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIor0-00031x-F4 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:11:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIoqD-0002xT-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:11:09 -0400 Received: from bay9-f51.bay9.hotmail.com ([64.4.47.51] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIopP-0002qs-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:10:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:09:48 -0700 Received: from 211.87.95.147 by by9fd.bay9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:09:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.87.95.147] X-Originating-Email: [jianghan2008@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jianghan2008@hotmail.com From: "jiang dawei" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:09:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2004 13:09:48.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[156A1BF0:01C42D22] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id JAA13694 Subject: [manet] How the mobility modal affect the network protocol in ad hoc? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm doing some research about the mobility modal in ad hoc ,like RPGM,whe= re=20 can get the Code in Glomosim? _________________________________________________________________ =C3=E2=B7=D1=CF=C2=D4=D8 MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 28 11:52:44 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23209 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIrFK-0006cu-7Z for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:45:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3SFjEDC025472 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:45:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIqyy-0001Vh-L1 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:28:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21518 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIqyw-00075G-FC for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:28:18 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIqy1-0006zm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:27:21 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIqxD-0006ud-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:26:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIqlX-0007SZ-7c; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:14:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIq5g-00071B-Dm for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:31:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15326 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIpG4-0004nR-50 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:37:52 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIpFB-0004lL-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:36:58 -0400 Received: from bay1-f169.bay1.hotmail.com ([65.54.245.169] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIpEm-0004iA-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:36:32 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:36:01 -0700 Received: from 211.21.131.24 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:36:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.21.131.24] X-Originating-Email: [zhaoyuting77@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zhaoyuting77@hotmail.com From: "z yt" To: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] [manet]what's the difference between Link-State & Distance Vector? Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:36:01 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2004 13:36:01.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEF95E30:01C42D25] Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Dear Xie Min: Distance Vector: To find the optimal path by distance infomation. A packet add its hop-count when pass through a node. The path that has the least count is the best. For examples, RIP, IGRP. Link State: Also called Shortest Path First (SPF). Each node has 3 tables: 1st is used to trace the neighbor nodes (directly connected), 2nd is used to store the topology of the networks, 3rd is routing table. Link State reqires more info of the networks than Distance Vector does. Good luck! _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 28 23:24:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA13669 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ27P-0001By-07 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:21:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3T3LkAl004577 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:21:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ24W-0000LK-IK for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:18:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA13249 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ24R-0002EM-Jh for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:18:43 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ23X-00028F-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:17:48 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ22r-00022C-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:17:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ1w3-0006rN-RS; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:10:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ1tW-0005oy-Ar for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:07:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA12793 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ1tQ-0000x9-8s for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:07:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ1rM-0000kJ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:05:13 -0400 Received: from nestor.nmsu.edu ([128.123.34.146] helo=mail.nmsu.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ1qT-0000eo-00 for manet@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:04:17 -0400 Received: from PCMullen2 (pc-mullen-2.NMSU.Edu [128.123.245.103]) by mail.nmsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCED82018; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:04:13 -0600 (MDT) From: "John Mullen" To: "'Ali El-Husseini'" , Subject: RE: [manet] Re:Connectivity Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:04:13 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c42d96$a6b06960$67f57b80@IEngr.ad.nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <408D3CFF.FADC8710@alcatel.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ali, Good points, but I'd like to add a few. Partition is a network phenomena and is relative. If the network is partitioned (divided into two or more subnetworks that cannot connect to each other), then if Node A and B are in different partitions, they will be disconnected. However, the reality and the perception are two different things. This issue does not relate to node mobility directly. A network may become partitioned for a number of reasons, e.g. change in propagation conditions, initial placement of the nodes, etc. (Nodes placed according to a uniform or Poisson distribution need not produce a connected network, even if the average density is adequate.) However, mobility can certainly cause partition and disconnection. While what you say about reactive protocols is true, it is also true that many potential disconnects are never explored in a reactive protocol. That is, two nodes may be disconnected, but never have a need to communicate with each other. The idea of a reactive protocol is to only update routing information that is necessary to effect current communications. In a proactive protocol, all routes, whether or not they are needed, are maintained. Of course, if every node has a need to talk to every other node, the proactive protocol would have less latency. However, in many situations, this is not the case, hence the attractiveness of the reactive protocol which can have significantly lower overhead. In short, depending on the circumstances, either sort of protocol might be preferred. John Mullen -----Original Message----- From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali El-Husseini Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:47 AM To: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] Re:Connectivity In general, most of the on-demand routing published papers for routing in MANET (DSR AODV, etc..) assumes that they may hit cases where full connectivity is not possible due to node mobility. They try to solve this issue by setting a timer before sending RREQ. Upon time-out, they give a second try. If the second try wasn't successful, they stop trying. Proactive routing algorithms (e.g., DSDV) lists all destinations in their routing table and a cost metric beside each entry. Any destination with cost metric equal to infinity means unreachable. This happens during node mobility which may cause either temporary or permanent disconnected network. Logically, if the network is disconnected, there will be no way to deliver the message to or from the disconnected destination. In this particular case, On-demand routing generates more routing overhead in comparison to proactive routing approaches. This due to RREQ that will be flooding the network twice before declaring the target node is unreachable. For research studies, if you are measuring delivery rate make sure that the network is connected between the source and the destination since it would be unfair to say that the algorithm is not delivering the msg in case there was no route from the source to destination. Note, some routing techniques (e.g. Routing with guaranteed delivery, by Stojmenovic etal.) came out to solve delivery problem in connected network. For verifying that the network is connected, Dijkestra algorithm can be used for that. Regards, Ali El-Husseini > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:30:39 -0300 > To: manet@ietf.org > From: "Maen M. Artimy" > Subject: [manet] Connectivity > > Hi, > > Do MANET routing protocols always assume full network connectivity? > Can you guide me to any work on this subject? > > Thanks. > > Maen > _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 01:26:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19942 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ3yk-0001gm-EW for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:20:58 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3T5Kwj2006487 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:20:58 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ3rr-0000SO-D5 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:13:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19324 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ3rl-0000hN-9Z for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:13:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3qm-0000ZX-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:12:45 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3pp-0000RO-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:11:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ3iM-0005pj-JY; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:04:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ3Xo-0004HJ-Er for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:53:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18147 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ3Xi-0005jG-Ly for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:53:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3Wi-0005a2-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:52:01 -0400 Received: from osgood.cc.nd.edu ([129.74.250.227]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3VV-0005PR-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:50:45 -0400 Received: from MMCN05.cse.ND.EDU (sys.cse.nd.edu [129.74.50.188]) by osgood.cc.nd.edu (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3T4ok4m024214 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by MMCN05.cse.ND.EDU (Postfix, from userid 9403) id B085B176C03; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:54:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:54:37 -0500 From: Surendar Chandra To: manet@ietf.org Message-ID: <20040429045437.GA7916@sys.cse.nd.edu> Reply-To: surendar@MMCN05.cse.ND.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-ND-MTA-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:50:47 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4354 Subject: [manet] CFP: IEEE Sensor and Ad Hoc Communications and Networks (SECON04) Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.60 We apologize if you received multiple copies of this Call for Papers. 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It is the distributed and ad hoc deployment of networks of these network devices and sensors that bears promises for a significant impact, not only on science and engineering, but equally importantly on a broad range of applications relating to critical infrastructure protection and security, health care, the environment, energy, food safety, production processing, quality of life, and the economy. This new IEEE Communications Society conference will provide a forum to exchange ideas, techniques, and applications, discuss best practices, raise awareness and share experiences among researchers, practitioners, standard developers and policy makers in the field of sensor and ad hoc networks and systems. The conference will be organized to provide for a degree of collegiality and continuity in the discussions of the various topics among participants from the industrial, governmental and academic sectors. Original technical papers, which address the communications, networking, systems and algorithmic aspects of ad hoc and sensor networks, as well as those that describe practical deployment and implementation experiences are solicited for presentation at the conference and publication in the conference proceedings. Papers presenting novel contributions in such disciplines as digital signal processing, communications, networking protocols and architectures, algorithms, embedded systems, middleware and information management, and novel applications are solicited. PAPERS: Two types of submissions will be accepted for review in this conference: * FULL papers describing original, previously unpublished research work, experimental efforts, practical experiences, and industrial and commercial developments in sensor and ad hoc communications and networks. Papers with a deep focus on a specific discipline or stimulated by the synergistic interaction of diverse disciplines are encouraged. * SHORT papers focusing on future research directions, industry challenges and novel approaches in the field of sensor and ad hoc communications and networks. Papers in this category must be visionary, innovative and forward- looking. Particular topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * New architectures, protocols and access control to support communication, localization, time synchronization, routing and data dissemination in heterogeneous, large-scale distributed, ad hoc networks and sensor networks * Novel algorithms and theories for management, supervisory control and monitoring of distributed ad hoc networks, and techniques for the interpretation and use of sensor data in decision-making processes * Industrial and commercial developments and applications * Modeling and performance evaluation of large-scale distributed and ad hoc sensor networks, practical implementations, and real-work experiences * Theories and models on fundamental information and communication aspects of wireless ad hoc and sensor networks * Mechanisms for authenticated, secure communication and data dissemination in sensor and ad hoc networks * Integration of sensors into engineered systems, including novel techniques for sensor renewable power sources, mechanisms for on-sensor self- calibration and self-testing and efficient schemes to maximize accuracy and minimize false alarms * Chip-based systems incorporating multiple sensors, computation, actuation, and wireless interfaces * Software platforms, middleware and tools for ad hoc and sensor network applications development, deployment and management TUTORIALS AND PANELS: Proposals for tutorials and panels on current topics in the field of ad hoc and sensor networking and applications are solicited. Panels related to the commercial application and development of sensors and ad hoc networks are especially encouraged. DEMOS AND EXPO: Demonstrations that showcase the practical implementations, industrial and commercial developments, and new applications for ad hoc and sensor networks are solicited. SUBMISSION AND REVIEW PROCESS: * All submissions will be handled electronically via EDAS (http://edas.info). Please refer to the appropriate link and information at the conference website, http://www.ieee-secon.org/2004. * The conference will only accept for review original papers that have not been previously published and are not currently under review by another conference or journal. All submissions will be handled electronically and must be in PDF or PostScript format. * The length of FULL papers (describing original, previously unpublished research work, experimental efforts, practical experiences, etc.) must NOT exceed 10 IEEE conference-style pages (US "Letter" size, 8.5 x 11 inches) including text, figures and references, in two-column, single-space format, with a font size of 11 points. * The length of SHORT papers (focusing on future research directions, industry challenges, highly novel approaches, etc.) must not exceed 6 IEEE conference-style pages (US "Letter" size, 8.5 x 11 inches) including text, figures and references, in two-column, single-space format, with a font size of 11 points. * Papers not following these guidelines will be rejected. * All submissions will be reviewed for technical merits and relevance to the conference. * Accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES: Paper submissions due: June 7, 2004 Tutorial/Panel Proposals due: July 12, 2004 Notification date: August 1, 2004 Camera-ready version due: August 20, 2004 GENERAL CHAIR: Taieb Znati, University of Pittsburgh, and NSF znati@cs.pitt.edu GENERAL VICE-CHAIR: C. S. Raghavendra, University of Southern California raghu@usc.edu TECHNICAL PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS: Sung-Ju Lee Prasant Mohapatra Krishna Sivalingam HP Laboratories UC Davis UMBC sjlee@hpl.hp.com prasant@cs.ucdavis.edu krishna@umbc.edu For more information, please visit the conference website http://www.ieee-secon.org/2004 or contact one of the conference co-chairs. TECHNICAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE Prathima Agrawal, Auburn Kevin Almeroth, UCSB Mary Baker, HP Labs Suman Banerjee, University of Wisconsin Stefano Basagni, Northeastern Elizabeth Belding-Royer, UCSB Christian Bettstetter, DoCoMo Euro-Labs Philippe Bonnet, University of Copenhagen Andrew Campbell, Columbia Erdal Cayirci, Istanbul Technical University Surendar Chandra, Notre Dame Marco Conti, IIT Institute - CNR Pisa David Culler, UC Berkeley Samir Das, SUNY Stony Brook Anthony Ephremides, University of Maryland Deborah Estrin, UCLA John Fisher, MIT JJ Garcia-Luna-Aceves, UCSC Mario Gerla, UCLA Silvia Giordano, SUPSI of Lugano Zygmunt Haas, Cornell University Richard Han, University of Colorado Paul Havinga, University of Twente Wendi Heinzelman, University of Rochester Sanjay Jha, UNSW, Sydney Anupam Joshi, UMBC Sneha Kasera, Utah Young-Bae Ko, Ajou University Robin Kravetz, UIUC Bhaskar Krishnamachari, USC Lakshman Krishnamurthy, Intel Srikanth Krishnamurthy, UCR Marwan Krunz, Arizona P.R. Kumar, UIUC Kevin Lai, HP Koen Langendoen, Delft University of Technology Bo Li, Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Li Li, Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies Mingyan Liu, Michigan Richard Martin, Rutgers University Seapahn Megerian, University of Wisconsin Lynette Millett, The National Academies Thyagarajan Nandagopal (Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies) Peng Ning, NCSU Charles Perkins, Nokia Research Center Lili Qiu, Microsoft Parmesh Ramanathan, University of Wisconsin Jason Redi, BBN Martin Reisslein, ASU Paolo Santi, CNR Andreas Savvides, Yale Curt Schurgers, UCSD Sergio Servetto, Cornell Rajeev Shorey, NUS Singapore Suresh Singh, Portland State Univ Emin Sirer, Cornell University Raghupathy Sivakumar, Georgia Tech. Mani Srivastava, UCLA John Stankovic, University of Virginia William Su, Boeing Gaurav Sukhatme, USC Yu-Chee Tseng, National Chiao-Tung Univ. Cedric Westphal, Nokia Stephen Wicker, Cornell Adam Wolisz, Technical University of Berlin Mark Yarvis, Intel Corporation Qian Zhang, Microsoft Research Asia Michele Zorzi, Universita'di Ferrara ========================================================================== _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 01:47:39 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA20954 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ49R-0004LX-B1 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:32:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3T5W1ND016699 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:32:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ41r-0002Wm-P6 for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:24:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19851 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ41l-00024I-MR for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:24:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ40r-0001vE-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:23:10 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3zx-0001lV-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:22:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ3s2-0000T6-52; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:14:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ3jD-0006Gj-JF for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:04:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA18749 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ3j7-0007HX-KS for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:04:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3iD-0007AI-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:03:54 -0400 Received: from sunlight.wichita.edu ([156.26.1.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ3hU-0006w8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:03:08 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sunlight.wichita.edu by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30772) id <0HWX0020120FSM@sunlight.wichita.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from webmail.wichita.edu (BIERSTADT.WICHITA.EDU [156.26.1.165]) by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30772) with ESMTP id <0HWX001P520FRV@sunlight.wichita.edu> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:02:39 -0500 From: fxbaloch To: manet@ietf.org Message-id: <408FDBF1@webmail.wichita.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: fxbaloch@wichita.edu X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00003023, 00003770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [manet] "setdest" problem in ns2 Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I have a problem regarding "setdest" in ns2. I have ns2.27 allinone installed. It is working fine except I cant seem to get setdest command working. After doing "config" in main ns directory I did "make" in setdest directory( as is written in README FILE) but it is giving following error, ../../autoconf.h error: namspace 'CPP_NAMESPACE' undeclared. Does anyone know how to get around with this problem and get setdest executable file. Any input will be appreciated ASAP. Thanks Fariha Baloch _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 05:04:54 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15108 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ7RG-0001QP-NH for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:02:39 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3T92cT2005474 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:02:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ7Ov-0000lN-IZ for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:00:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA14888 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ7On-0004KV-GC for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:00:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ7Np-0004A1-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:59:06 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ7NZ-0003zq-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:58:49 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ7FC-0006um-BG; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:50:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ7BH-0006Bd-OA for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:46:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14301 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ7B9-0001z7-Ol for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:45:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ7AD-0001pZ-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:45:01 -0400 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ79H-0001eG-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:44:03 -0400 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3T8hoTC011355 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:43:50 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HWX00BYNC9AFW@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:44:00 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0D3615A97; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:43:55 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:43:55 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [manet] "setdest" problem in ns2 In-reply-to: <408FDBF1@webmail.wichita.edu> To: fxbaloch Cc: manet@ietf.org Mail-followup-to: fxbaloch , manet@ietf.org Message-id: <20040429084355.GA15105@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <408FDBF1@webmail.wichita.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Hello everyone, > > I have a problem regarding "setdest" in ns2. I have ns2.27 allinone installed. > It is working fine except I cant seem to get setdest command working. After > doing "config" in main ns directory I did "make" in setdest directory( as is > written in README FILE) but it is giving following error, > > ../../autoconf.h error: namspace 'CPP_NAMESPACE' undeclared. > > Does anyone know how to get around with this problem and get setdest > executable file. Any input will be appreciated ASAP. >From the setdest directory edit the file ../../../autoconf.h Look for the section on stl (last section in file) and define CPP_NAMESPACE to std. /* stl */ #ifdef __cplusplus #define HAVE_STL 1 #define CPP_NAMESPACE std [ Add this line ] #define CPP_REQUIRES_NAMESPACE 1 #ifdef CPP_REQUIRES_NAMESPACE using namespace CPP_NAMESPACE; #endif /* CPP_NAMESPACE */ #endif /* __cplusplus */ Hope it works. - Sukanta _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 06:20:11 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA18311 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ8ZZ-00014m-D0 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:15:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3TAFH7A004128 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:15:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ8YR-0000RA-Pt for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:14:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17920 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ8YJ-0001g5-3R for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:13:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ8XE-0001Gr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:12:53 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ8Vd-0000v6-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:11:13 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BJ8HB-0003NF-5Y for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:56:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ89C-0002Gd-FH; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:48:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJ82Y-00010C-7r for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:41:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA16258 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJ82P-0003QM-Kc for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:41:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ81R-0003GB-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:40:02 -0400 Received: from bay1-f24.bay1.hotmail.com ([65.54.245.24] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJ80d-0002wM-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:39:11 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:37:12 -0700 Received: from 211.21.131.24 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:37:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.21.131.24] X-Originating-Email: [zhaoyuting77@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zhaoyuting77@hotmail.com From: "z yt" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:37:12 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2004 09:37:12.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CE574D0:01C42DCD] Subject: [manet] How can I see java_gui in glomosim? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 hi, all manets! We met a problem. We can use "glomosim config.in" from command line in GloMoSim simulator to get results of an ad hoc simulation. But we can not see animation with Java GUI. It does not work for real time, write trace or play back. Is there any gentleman can help us with mercy? Thanks a lot in advance! Yuting Zhao _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 10:30:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05360 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJCOi-0005xA-EZ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:20:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3TEKKam022828 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:20:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJCBL-0007A5-Il for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:06:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03115 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJCBA-0000ZE-Me for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:06:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJCAF-0000Ji-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:05:23 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJC9d-00004k-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:04:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJC1I-0001Z5-Cg; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:56:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJBhR-0004lq-0m for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:35:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA01298 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJBhG-0000l0-Dy for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:35:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJBgW-0000VY-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:34:40 -0400 Received: from bay9-f60.bay9.hotmail.com ([64.4.47.60] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJBfa-00007X-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:33:42 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:33:14 -0700 Received: from 218.2.167.118 by by9fd.bay9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:33:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.2.167.118] X-Originating-Email: [jianghan2008@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jianghan2008@hotmail.com From: "jiang dawei" To: manet@ietf.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:33:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2004 13:33:14.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[860E7FA0:01C42DEE] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id JAA01299 Subject: [manet] How to add several groups in RPGM mobility modal ? Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but how to use the RPGM mobility modal to add several groups in the=20 simulation sencenario ,and how to define the inter-communication between=20 groups? _________________________________________________________________ =D3=EB=C1=AA=BB=FA=B5=C4=C5=F3=D3=D1=BD=F8=D0=D0=BD=BB=C1=F7=A3=AC=C7=EB=CA= =B9=D3=C3 MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn =20 _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 11:52:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10477 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJDlC-0004zp-6g for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:47:38 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3TFlcmB019198 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:47:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJDju-0004P5-Le for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:46:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10050 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJDjq-0003xv-9s for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:46:14 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJDir-0003hj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:45:14 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJDhw-0003SQ-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:44:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJDX3-0000Dh-VO; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:33:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJDIn-0005Sw-8G for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:18:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08744 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJDIj-0004Mw-1B for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:18:13 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJDHk-00047D-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:17:12 -0400 Received: from rimp1.nist.gov ([129.6.16.226] helo=smtp.nist.gov) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJDGk-0003oD-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:16:10 -0400 Received: from nist.gov (mouse.antd.nist.gov [129.6.50.84]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3TFG6rt022695; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <40912B2A.9AE456D2@nist.gov> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:19:54 -0400 From: bjkwak Reply-To: bjkwak@nist.gov Organization: NIST, MD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jiang dawei CC: manet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [manet] How to add several groups in RPGM mobility modal ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: bjkwak@nist.gov Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jiang dawei wrote: > > but how to use the RPGM mobility modal to add several groups in the > simulation sencenario ,and how to define the inter-communication between > groups? Not answers to your questions, but the following paper has good description of the RPGM model: http://search.ieice.or.jp/2003/pdf/e86-b_11_3236.pdf Byung-Jae Kwak _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 15:43:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23874 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJHBU-0006TB-MJ for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:27:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3TJR0GR024870 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:27:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJH86-0005JX-Uu for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:23:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22183 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJH80-0004AG-Ic for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:23:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJH71-00043L-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:22:24 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJH61-0003xU-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:21:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJGko-00056W-Fn; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:59:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJGJo-0007Pm-0d for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:31:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA18599 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJGJi-00037f-2f for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:31:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJGIk-0002q5-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:30:27 -0400 Received: from cheetah.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.24]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJGHk-0002IW-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:29:24 -0400 Received: from MIRAGE (Cs-136-207.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.136.207]) by cheetah.cs.ucla.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6/UCLACS-5.2) with SMTP id i3TIRiv10103; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012501c42e17$903b08d0$cf88b383@MIRAGE> From: "Kaixin Xu" To: "z yt" , References: Subject: Re: [manet] How can I see java_gui in glomosim? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:27:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Yuting, The config.in file of GloMoSim usually refers some external files for defining the traffic (app.in), node positions (nodes.in) etc. If no exact path of the directory where these files are located is explicitly given, GloMoSim assumes these files are in current directory. However, when you run GUI, current directory is ../java_gui and those files are usually contained in ../bin directory (or whatever directories you keep them). Thus, GloMoSim will abort because it cannot find those referred files in current directory. To solve the problem, you either can link (or copy) all external files referred in config.in file to ../java_gui directory or give the full path of those files in the config.in. Kaixin ----- Original Message ----- From: "z yt" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:37 AM Subject: [manet] How can I see java_gui in glomosim? > hi, all manets! > We met a problem. > We can use "glomosim config.in" from command line in GloMoSim simulator to > get results of an ad hoc simulation. > But we can not see animation with Java GUI. It does not work for real time, > write trace or play back. > Is there any gentleman can help us with mercy? > Thanks a lot in advance! > > Yuting Zhao > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 29 22:52:10 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA19822 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJO76-0005SC-NF for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:50:57 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3U2ouwk020964 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:50:56 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJO22-0004PM-QN for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:45:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA19628 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJO1w-0000h9-6E for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:45:36 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJO0y-0000cm-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:44:38 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJO0K-0000Yj-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:43:56 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJNqk-0002s7-VJ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:34:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJNnQ-00020q-Gv for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:30:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA19127 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Duc.Tran@notes.udayton.edu Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJNnJ-00078P-RD for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:30:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJNmL-00072d-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:29:30 -0400 Received: from facstaff03.udayton.edu ([131.238.75.127]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJNlN-0006w8-00 for manet@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:28:29 -0400 To: P2P@LISTSERV.UTK.EDU, manet@ietf.org, tccc@cs.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF2 July 23, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:28:29 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on FacStaff03/SVR/UDayton(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 04/29/2004 10:28:34 PM, Serialize complete at 04/29/2004 10:28:34 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000D924985256E86_=" Subject: [manet] 2nd CFP: Special Issue on Group Communications in Ad hoc Networks Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000D924985256E86_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" CALL FOR PAPERS Special Issue on Group Communications in Ad hoc Networks International Journal of Wireless and Mobile Computing (IJWMC) http://academic.udayton.edu/DucTran/research/cfpIJWMC.htm ISSN (PRINT): 1741-1084 ISSN (ONLINE): 1741-1092 Published by Inderscience Publishers Important Dates Manuscript submission deadline: June 10th, 2004 Notification due date: September 10th, 2004 Camera-ready manuscript due date: November 1st, 2004 Publication: Issue 3, 2005 Guest Editors Dr. Duc A. Tran (duc.tran@notes.udayton.edu) Department of Computer Science University of Dayton 300 College Park Dayton, OH 45429 Dr. Deb A. Agarwal (daagarwal@lbl.gov) Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 50B-2239 Berkeley, CA 94720 Dr. Mark D. Yarvis (mark.d.yarvis@intel.com) Intel Research and Development Intel Corporation, JF3-206 2111 N.E. 25th Ave. Hillsboro, OR 97124-5961 Subject Coverage Since people frequently work beyond their office desk, it is expected that the next generation of communication networks will include rapid deployments of independent mobile users. With the emergence of wireless technologies such as IEEE 802.11 and Bluetooth, mobile users are enabled to connect to each other directly and wirelessly without any networking infrastructure, such as the Internet or infrastructure-based wireless networks. Instead, users form mobile ad hoc networks (MANET). These networks are self-configurable and self-healable, and therefore easily adopted in a home environment and more cheaply deployed and maintained in a business environment. While ad hoc networks are rapidly gaining in popularity, group communication technologies have already shown their importance in education, entertainment, business, military, and other industries. However, thus far those technologies have mainly been designed for use in the Internet. This special journal issue is focused on development of group communication solutions in ad hoc networks. This work is significant to many interesting applications. Examples are strategic collaboration among soldiers in a battlefield, collaborative data processing such as tracking and localization in sensor networks, collaborative intrusion detection among a group of distant surveillance cameras, to name just a few. Also relevant to ad hoc networks is the concept of peer-to-peer (P2P). P2P networks are commonly used in the Internet to enable services that leverage a collection of peer nodes rather than a single infrastructure server, making them resilient to the failure of an individual node. These properties are attractive for applications deployed in ad hoc wireless networks, which have similar requirements. Research on group communications in ad hoc networks is still in its infancy. There are many open issues due to the deviation between resource, energy, and bandwidth availability of ad hoc networks and the quality of service required by group communication services. Areas of interest for this special journal issue include, but are not limited to, the following topics: - Ad hoc networking architectures with inherent P2P communication support - Use of P2P technology for ad hoc network formation and management - Multicast routing in mobile ad hoc and sensor networks - Algorithms for reliable delivery and congestion control in ad hoc networks - Location and mobility management in ad hoc group communications - Algorithms for self-configuration, maintenance, and stabilization - Data management, operating system, and middleware for ad hoc group communications - Security and privacy in ad hoc group communications - Collaborative multimedia systems in ad hoc networks - Collaborative signal processing and information retrieval in ad hoc networks - Innovative applications of group communication in ad hoc networks Paper Submission Submissions should include a cover page with authors' names, affiliations, fax and telephone numbers and e-mail addresses. Please submit full papers in PDF via email to one of the guest editors. Submitted papers must not be previously published nor submitted for publication elsewhere. Accepted papers will not exceed 6000 words or 15 single spaced pages in IEEE Transactions style. Hard copies should only be sent if electronic submission is not possible. All manuscripts will be reviewed by a selected panel of referees. Original artwork and a signed copy of the copyright release form will be required for all accepted papers. --=_alternative 000D924985256E86_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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CALL FOR PAPERS

Special Issue on Group Communications in Ad hoc Networks
International Journal of Wireless and Mobile Computing (IJWMC)

http://academic.udayton.edu/DucTran/research/cfpIJWMC.htm

ISSN (PRINT): 1741-1084
ISSN (ONLINE): 1741-1092
Published by Inderscience Publishers

Important Dates
       Manuscript submission deadline: June 10th, 2004
       Notification due date: September 10th, 2004
       Camera-ready manuscript due date: November 1st, 2004
       Publication: Issue 3, 2005

Guest Editors
       Dr. Duc A. Tran (duc.tran@notes.udayton.edu)
       Department of Computer Science
        University of Dayton
       300 College Park
       Dayton, OH 45429

       Dr. Deb A. Agarwal (daagarwal@lbl.gov)
       Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory      
       1 Cyclotron Road, MS 50B-2239              
       Berkeley, CA 94720                      

       Dr. Mark D. Yarvis (mark.d.yarvis@intel.com)
       Intel Research and Development
       Intel Corporation, JF3-206
       2111 N.E. 25th Ave.
       Hillsboro, OR 97124-5961

Subject Coverage

Since people frequently work beyond their office desk, it is expected that the next generation of communication networks will include rapid deployments of independent mobile users.  With the emergence of wireless technologies such as IEEE 802.11 and Bluetooth, mobile users are enabled to connect to each other directly and wirelessly without any networking infrastructure, such as the Internet or infrastructure-based wireless networks.  Instead, users form mobile ad hoc networks (MANET). These networks are self-configurable and self-healable, and therefore easily adopted in a home environment and more cheaply deployed and maintained in a business environment.  

While ad hoc networks are rapidly gaining in popularity, group communication technologies have already shown their importance in education, entertainment, business, military, and other industries.  However, thus far those technologies have mainly been designed for use in the Internet.  This special journal issue is focused on development of group communication solutions in ad hoc networks.  This work is significant to many interesting applications.   Examples are strategic collaboration among soldiers in a battlefield, collaborative data processing such as tracking and localization in sensor networks, collaborative intrusion detection among a group of distant surveillance cameras, to name just a few. Also relevant to  ad hoc networks is the concept of peer-to-peer (P2P). P2P networks are commonly used in the Internet to enable services that leverage a collection of peer nodes rather than a single infrastructure server, making them resilient to the failure of an individual node.  These properties are attractive for applications deployed in ad hoc wireless networks, which have similar requirements.  
 
Research on group communications in ad hoc networks is still in its infancy.  There are many open issues due to the deviation between resource, energy, and bandwidth availability of ad hoc networks and the quality of service required by group communication services.  Areas of interest for this special journal issue include, but are not limited to, the following topics:  
- Ad hoc networking architectures with inherent P2P communication support
- Use of P2P technology for ad hoc network formation and management
- Multicast routing in mobile ad hoc and sensor networks
- Algorithms for reliable delivery and congestion control in ad hoc networks
- Location and mobility management in ad hoc group communications
- Algorithms for self-configuration, maintenance, and stabilization
- Data management, operating system, and middleware for ad hoc group communications
- Security and privacy in ad hoc group communications
- Collaborative multimedia systems in ad hoc networks
- Collaborative signal processing and information retrieval in ad hoc networks
- Innovative applications of group communication in ad hoc networks

Paper Submission
Submissions should include a cover page with authors' names, affiliations, fax and telephone numbers and e-mail addresses. Please submit full papers in PDF via email to one of the guest editors. Submitted papers must not be previously published nor submitted for publication elsewhere. Accepted papers will
not exceed 6000 words or 15 single spaced pages in IEEE Transactions style. Hard copies should only be sent if electronic submission is not possible. All manuscripts will be reviewed by a selected panel of referees. Original artwork and a signed copy of the copyright release form will be required for all
accepted papers.
--=_alternative 000D924985256E86_=-- _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 30 16:08:14 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27676 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJe6a-0003Fa-1y for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:55:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3UJtSCV012487 for manet-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:55:28 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJe1Y-000140-8v for manet-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:50:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26809 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJe1W-0006zz-QK for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:50:14 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJe0d-0006vy-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:49:20 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJe04-0006rr-00 for manet-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:48:44 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJdno-0004Xv-W9; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:36:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJddH-0002BP-UO for manet@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:25:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24783 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJddG-0004Xq-KI for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:25:10 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJdcH-0004Tn-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:24:10 -0400 Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.43]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJdbJ-0004Mr-00 for manet@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20040430192308.31574.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.93.68.18] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:23:08 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ravi kumar To: manet@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [manet] Ns-2 or Glomosim Sender: manet-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: manet-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi all, I am working on wireless security and i have to implement an algorithm on wireless networks, ad-hoc in particular. I have seen some discussion in this group on both Ns-2 and Glomosim.I'd like to find out which one is better in regard to functionality and ease of use. i know that ns-2 is a generally accepted standard for simulation in the academic community. i dont know much about glomosim, anyway if i need a opinion i guess this is the place to ask. waiting for your views. thanks in advance ravi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet