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[62.49.16.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f1sm50782889wjw.30.2015.01.01.10.52.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Dearlove X-Google-Original-From: Christopher Dearlove Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 In-Reply-To: <076.9663e4324dee7dd2fcc9f96b251edf2a@trac.tools.ietf.org> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:52:39 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <061.3cfbf986721b12801014840c19f319a2@trac.tools.ietf.org> <076.9663e4324dee7dd2fcc9f96b251edf2a@trac.tools.ietf.org> To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/WRHCd2OQYdwQX8d-0gu60xcSyE0 Subject: Re: [manet] #48 (aodvv2): Single address per interface per router (submitted for Chris Dearlove) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 18:52:47 -0000 This was a comment on -05. Section 4 Applicability referred to address (singular) per interface. My recollection is that this wasn't the only place, but I neither have = my notes nor the inclination now to look further (or at -06). On 30 Dec 2014, at 22:05, manet issue tracker wrote: > #48: Single address per interface per router (submitted for Chris = Dearlove) >=20 > Changes (by charliep@computer.org): >=20 > * status: new =3D> closed > * resolution: =3D> fixed >=20 >=20 > Comment: >=20 > On 7/20/2014 9:45 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >=20 >> AODVv2 does not impose this restriction. It has, for a long time, >> enabled multiple router addresses per interface. I will look again, >> but as of now I do not see where any such restriction has been >> imposed. If you have identified where this restriction is implied >> or stated directly, please let me know as soon as possible. >>=20 >> Unnumbered interfaces have never been suggested as appropriate >> for inclusion of the feature set for any reactive protocol that was >> under consideration within [manet], all the way since the very >> initiation of the working group. At least not within my memory. >=20 > = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > On 7/22/2014 6:22 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: >> On 07/22/2014 03:18 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 14:39 , Dearlove, Christopher (UK) >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> In at least one place in the draft (sorry, I don't have the time to >>>> find it again now) it explicitly says one address per interface. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Not sure if this is the place that Chris is thinking of, but in my >>> review I encountered things such as: >>>=20 >>> Blacklist.Node >>> The IP address of the node that did not verify bidirectional >>> connectivity. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Which looks like it is assumed that a =93node=94 (I assume that this = means >>> =93router=94 and will be fixed in a coming version, as has been = requested >>> multiple times) has a single IP address (that=92s what the use of = the >>> definite article implies, is it not?) >>>=20 >>> Also: >>>=20 >>> AODVv2 supports routers with >>> multiple interfaces, as long as each interface has its own (unicast >>> routeable) IP address >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =93address=94 - singular, not plural. >>>=20 >>> There were other instances of such, these were just the first I saw > when >>> glancing over my review. >>=20 >> Just a thought, >>=20 >> does this mean we cannot run AODVv2 with IPv6 linklocal addresses? In >> the presence of VLAN interfaces these addresses can be the same for >> multiple interfaces of the same node. >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > On 7/22/2014 9:14 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >=20 >> OLSRv2 is much more demanding regarding the determination of which >> IP addresses belong to which routers. Basically, AODVv2 does not = care. >> DSR did not care either. In fact, I am not aware of any reactive > protocol >> for which this was ever an issue. What matters is the establishment = of >> a routing path from source to destination. >>=20 >> I will fix the wording about handling blacklisted addresses as > suggested. >> If you have other instances, please do not hesitate to point them = out. >=20 >> On 7/22/2014 6:50 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: >>>=20 >>> The second of these was the point I had in mind. The first is an > associated issue. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> There are various complexities in OLSRv2 that relate to addressing = of > interfaces (not shared between routers, but possibly shared between > interfaces) and gateways (can overlap and share). We think we got them > right (though without a formal proof, so it=92s possible we missed = something > =96 I think we caught one right at the last post-IESG point). But some = took > some work. >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >=20 > The draft has been modified to resolve the ambiguities mentioned above = as > well as others with similar sentence structures. There are not = currently > any known such ambiguities, and so it seems reasonable to close this > issue. >=20 > --=20 > = -----------------------------------+------------------------------------ > Reporter: charliep@computer.org | Owner: = charliep@computer.org > Type: defect | Status: closed > Priority: minor | Milestone: > Component: aodvv2 | Version: > Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: fixed > Keywords: Router addressability | > = -----------------------------------+------------------------------------ >=20 > Ticket URL: > manet >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Thu Jan 1 12:29:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326CE1A00F6 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 12:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B-XZey4RY_uA for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 12:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4B51A1A56 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 12:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [99.51.72.235] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6mMv-0008Gl-EB; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 15:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <54A5AE1A.6060800@computer.org> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 12:29:14 -0800 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Blue Skies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Dearlove , manet@ietf.org References: <061.3cfbf986721b12801014840c19f319a2@trac.tools.ietf.org> <076.9663e4324dee7dd2fcc9f96b251edf2a@trac.tools.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956527bd5036cbc8ac72ce6a26f483889c6c1deee2586cb318b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.51.72.235 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/9RdX9ZplIeoXVnhsyqNzrzTt-XE Subject: Re: [manet] #48 (aodvv2): Single address per interface per router (submitted for Chris Dearlove) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 20:29:20 -0000 Hello Chris, I did look through the draft and fixed various places that you didn't mention. If other places are found, I will be happy to fix them also right away. Regards, Charlie P. On 1/1/2015 10:52 AM, Christopher Dearlove wrote: > This was a comment on -05. > > Section 4 Applicability referred to address (singular) per interface. > > My recollection is that this wasn't the only place, but I neither have my notes nor the inclination now to look further (or at -06). > > > On 30 Dec 2014, at 22:05, manet issue tracker wrote: > >> #48: Single address per interface per router (submitted for Chris Dearlove) >> >> Changes (by charliep@computer.org): >> >> * status: new => closed >> * resolution: => fixed >> >> >> Comment: >> >> On 7/20/2014 9:45 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >> >>> AODVv2 does not impose this restriction. It has, for a long time, >>> enabled multiple router addresses per interface. I will look again, >>> but as of now I do not see where any such restriction has been >>> imposed. If you have identified where this restriction is implied >>> or stated directly, please let me know as soon as possible. >>> >>> Unnumbered interfaces have never been suggested as appropriate >>> for inclusion of the feature set for any reactive protocol that was >>> under consideration within [manet], all the way since the very >>> initiation of the working group. At least not within my memory. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On 7/22/2014 6:22 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: >>> On 07/22/2014 03:18 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: >>>>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 14:39 , Dearlove, Christopher (UK) >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In at least one place in the draft (sorry, I don't have the time to >>>>> find it again now) it explicitly says one address per interface. >>>>> >>>> Not sure if this is the place that Chris is thinking of, but in my >>>> review I encountered things such as: >>>> >>>> Blacklist.Node >>>> The IP address of the node that did not verify bidirectional >>>> connectivity. >>>> >>>> >>>> Which looks like it is assumed that a “node” (I assume that this means >>>> “router” and will be fixed in a coming version, as has been requested >>>> multiple times) has a single IP address (that’s what the use of the >>>> definite article implies, is it not?) >>>> >>>> Also: >>>> >>>> AODVv2 supports routers with >>>> multiple interfaces, as long as each interface has its own (unicast >>>> routeable) IP address >>>> >>>> >>>> “address” - singular, not plural. >>>> >>>> There were other instances of such, these were just the first I saw >> when >>>> glancing over my review. >>> Just a thought, >>> >>> does this mean we cannot run AODVv2 with IPv6 linklocal addresses? In >>> the presence of VLAN interfaces these addresses can be the same for >>> multiple interfaces of the same node. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On 7/22/2014 9:14 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >> >>> OLSRv2 is much more demanding regarding the determination of which >>> IP addresses belong to which routers. Basically, AODVv2 does not care. >>> DSR did not care either. In fact, I am not aware of any reactive >> protocol >>> for which this was ever an issue. What matters is the establishment of >>> a routing path from source to destination. >>> >>> I will fix the wording about handling blacklisted addresses as >> suggested. >>> If you have other instances, please do not hesitate to point them out. >>> On 7/22/2014 6:50 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: >>>> The second of these was the point I had in mind. The first is an >> associated issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> There are various complexities in OLSRv2 that relate to addressing of >> interfaces (not shared between routers, but possibly shared between >> interfaces) and gateways (can overlap and share). We think we got them >> right (though without a formal proof, so it’s possible we missed something >> – I think we caught one right at the last post-IESG point). But some took >> some work. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The draft has been modified to resolve the ambiguities mentioned above as >> well as others with similar sentence structures. There are not currently >> any known such ambiguities, and so it seems reasonable to close this >> issue. >> >> -- >> -----------------------------------+------------------------------------ >> Reporter: charliep@computer.org | Owner: charliep@computer.org >> Type: defect | Status: closed >> Priority: minor | Milestone: >> Component: aodvv2 | Version: >> Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: fixed >> Keywords: Router addressability | >> -----------------------------------+------------------------------------ >> >> Ticket URL: >> manet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > -- Regards, Charlie P. 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Perkins" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/RvcrJUl15XfZG3uaCT2fYIXwwWo Cc: "manet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [manet] #48 (aodvv2): Single address per interface per router (submitted for Chris Dearlove) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 20:44:53 -0000 Are you referring to in -06? The comment you make below is dated as July whe= n -05 was current. It was incorrect then, as I have given an example of and y= ou now appear to agree. As I note, I haven't looked at -06 yet (I'm not even= back at work until next week). -- =20 Christopher Dearlove christopher.dearlove@gmail.com (iPhone) chris@mnemosyne.demon.co.uk (home) > On 1 Jan 2015, at 20:29, Charles E. Perkins wrote:= >=20 > Hello Chris, >=20 > I did look through the draft and fixed various places that > you didn't mention. If other places are found, I will be > happy to fix them also right away. >=20 > Regards, > Charlie P. >=20 >=20 >> On 1/1/2015 10:52 AM, Christopher Dearlove wrote: >> This was a comment on -05. >>=20 >> Section 4 Applicability referred to address (singular) per interface. >>=20 >> My recollection is that this wasn't the only place, but I neither have my= notes nor the inclination now to look further (or at -06). >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 30 Dec 2014, at 22:05, manet issue tracker wrote: >>>=20 >>> #48: Single address per interface per router (submitted for Chris Dearlo= ve) >>>=20 >>> Changes (by charliep@computer.org): >>>=20 >>> * status: new =3D> closed >>> * resolution: =3D> fixed >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Comment: >>>=20 >>>> On 7/20/2014 9:45 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> AODVv2 does not impose this restriction. It has, for a long time, >>>> enabled multiple router addresses per interface. I will look again, >>>> but as of now I do not see where any such restriction has been >>>> imposed. If you have identified where this restriction is implied >>>> or stated directly, please let me know as soon as possible. >>>>=20 >>>> Unnumbered interfaces have never been suggested as appropriate >>>> for inclusion of the feature set for any reactive protocol that was >>>> under consideration within [manet], all the way since the very >>>> initiation of the working group. At least not within my memory. >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>>> On 7/22/2014 6:22 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: >>>> On 07/22/2014 03:18 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: >>>>>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 14:39 , Dearlove, Christopher (UK) >>>>>> = > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In at least one place in the draft (sorry, I don't have the time to >>>>>> find it again now) it explicitly says one address per interface. >>>>> Not sure if this is the place that Chris is thinking of, but in my >>>>> review I encountered things such as: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Blacklist.Node >>>>> The IP address of the node that did not verify bidirectional >>>>> connectivity. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Which looks like it is assumed that a =E2=80=9Cnode=E2=80=9D (I assume= that this means >>>>> =E2=80=9Crouter=E2=80=9D and will be fixed in a coming version, as has= been requested >>>>> multiple times) has a single IP address (that=E2=80=99s what the use o= f the >>>>> definite article implies, is it not?) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Also: >>>>>=20 >>>>> AODVv2 supports routers with >>>>> multiple interfaces, as long as each interface has its own (unicast >>>>> routeable) IP address >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> =E2=80=9Caddress=E2=80=9D - singular, not plural. >>>>>=20 >>>>> There were other instances of such, these were just the first I saw >>> when >>>>> glancing over my review. >>>> Just a thought, >>>>=20 >>>> does this mean we cannot run AODVv2 with IPv6 linklocal addresses? In >>>> the presence of VLAN interfaces these addresses can be the same for >>>> multiple interfaces of the same node. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>>=20 >>>> On 7/22/2014 9:14 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> OLSRv2 is much more demanding regarding the determination of which >>>> IP addresses belong to which routers. Basically, AODVv2 does not care.= >>>> DSR did not care either. In fact, I am not aware of any reactive >>> protocol >>>> for which this was ever an issue. What matters is the establishment of= >>>> a routing path from source to destination. >>>>=20 >>>> I will fix the wording about handling blacklisted addresses as >>> suggested. >>>> If you have other instances, please do not hesitate to point them out. >>>>> On 7/22/2014 6:50 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: >>>>> The second of these was the point I had in mind. The first is an >>> associated issue. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> There are various complexities in OLSRv2 that relate to addressing of >>> interfaces (not shared between routers, but possibly shared between >>> interfaces) and gateways (can overlap and share). We think we got them >>> right (though without a formal proof, so it=E2=80=99s possible we missed= something >>> =E2=80=93 I think we caught one right at the last post-IESG point). But s= ome took >>> some work. >>>=20 >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >>>=20 >>> The draft has been modified to resolve the ambiguities mentioned above a= s >>> well as others with similar sentence structures. There are not currentl= y >>> any known such ambiguities, and so it seems reasonable to close this >>> issue. >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> -----------------------------------+------------------------------------= >>> Reporter: charliep@computer.org | Owner: charliep@computer.org >>> Type: defect | Status: closed >>> Priority: minor | Milestone: >>> Component: aodvv2 | Version: >>> Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: fixed >>> Keywords: Router addressability | >>> -----------------------------------+------------------------------------= >>>=20 >>> Ticket URL: >>> manet >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> manet mailing list >>> manet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >=20 > --=20 > Regards, > Charlie P. >=20 From nobody Mon Jan 5 02:02:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735991A1F04 for ; 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ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9011A1B20; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:35:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150105163513.21674.50781.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 08:35:13 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/V-qLUWwxfys45CYMLURPEnT0KBM Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:35:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TLV Naming in the MANET Generalized Packet/Message Format Authors : Christopher Dearlove Thomas Heide Clausen Filename : draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2015-01-05 Abstract: TLVs (type-length-value structures) as defined by RFC5444 have both a type (one octet) and a type extension (one octet), together forming a full type (of two octets). RFC5444 sets up IANA registries for TLV types, specifying that an allocation of a TLV type entails creation of an IANA registry for the corresponding type extensions. In some cases, reserving all 256 type extensions for use for a common purpose for a given TLV is meaningful, and thus it makes sense to record a common name for such a TLV type (and all of its type extensions) in the corresponding IANA registries. An example of such is a LINK_METRIC TLV Type, with its type extensions reserved for use to be indicating the "kind" of metric expressed by the value of the TLV. In some other cases, there may not be 256 full types that share a common purpose and, as such, it is not meaningful to record a common name for all the type extensions for a TLV type in the corresponding IANA registries. Rather, it is appropriate to record an individual name per full type. This document reorganizes the naming of already allocated TLV types and type extensions in those registries to use names appropriately. It has no consequences in terms of any protocol implementation. This document also updates the Expert Review guidelines from RFC5444, so as to establish a policy for consistent naming of future TLV type and type extension allocations. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 5 21:34:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E51E1A1AC3 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:34:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZMpVu5RVoFVB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x22d.google.com (mail-qa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74CE41A1A62 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id f12so14535373qad.32 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:34:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ur/IeXIuOs622ekBEVbA0ZiBBZPxAK0c7koilQR6PeQ=; b=pNFP5NK3gK/X4gB9wsmwCQrd3LKRjgKbUOsn2XJup8kUxp29SUwPFLOnkfw57X00Du zhT4dt/mUvMKhmXd+RRaktaxQanBZeZcbSjx4iwu5WMTwHi2rrS9wkbk3s88Uuujb++Y r76xXkhxsOx6PdjZExDwWMFMnb7c4wmHBS3Fr/iOd5yM8pRbH92qv8SAvA2yZw278bjv /l6djvMcN269I4n1ZUIwDZOwVuyMEsN06i+Gs63qb1aeROPZYFlaADEjYGHmfN6lHXpm rGelCVnuJzK/P8TY8I67GPGYZOkEzwHuMLOHAAm381Z2WmQ8c37UY7ucT6DqKQans0xm qEsw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.12.135 with SMTP id x7mr122390822qax.62.1420522474668; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.86.178 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:34:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0129447c7f8ce8050bf529c3 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/xBDmYELrDpbCog0z3gJqBq824Hw Cc: "manet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [manet] TLV naming draft X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 05:34:38 -0000 --089e0129447c7f8ce8050bf529c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy new year, Ok, thanks, AB On Monday, January 5, 2015, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) < chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> wrote: > Happy New Year all, > > December having been a bit snowed under, I haven't got back to this. As > this period is well passed, can I assume that we can reissue > draft-dearlove-manet-tlv-naming as draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming? As is our > usual practice, this will be unchanged. (Were there any major issues we > would do an -01 of the former first, but there aren't, I believe, even an= y > minor issues raised.) > > Christopher > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group > Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability > BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre > West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre= , > Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK > Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 > > From: Stan Ratliff [mailto:ratliffstan@gmail.com ] > Sent: 20 November 2014 23:57 > To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) > Subject: Re: TLV naming draft > > > *** WARNING *** > This message originates from outside our organisation, either from an > external partner or the internet. > Consider carefully whether you should click on any links, open any > attachments or reply. > For information regarding Red Flags that you can look out for in emails > you receive, click here. > If you feel the email is suspicious, please follow this process. > Working Group participants - > As you can read below, the authors have asked for WG adoption for the TLV > naming draft. Speaking as a WG participant, I support adoption. Speaking = as > co-chair - it's time to call for consensus. Given the holiday week in the > U.S., we will hold this call for consensus open until Nov. 28. Unless the= re > is significant opposition expressed here on the mailing list, the documen= t > will be accepted on that date. > > Please give us your opinions on the issue. > > Regards, > Stan > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) < > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com > wrote: > We would, as was said in Honolulu, like to request that > draft-dearlove-manet-tlv-naming be adopted as a WG draft, and for the > chairs to start this process. > > As also indicated, we will shortly thereafter be wanting to go to WGLC an= d > onwards, but one step at a time. > > For those who may have missed it, this draft just tidies up some details > of TLV naming, it has no actual impact on any protocol. However our AD ha= s > indicated that multitopology OLSRv2 (with the IESG for experimental statu= s) > won=E2=80=99t be able to proceed to RFC without this. > > Of course comments welcome on any points arising. > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group > Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability > BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre > West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre= , > Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK > Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 > > ******************************************************************** > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or > distribute its contents to any other person. > ******************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > --089e0129447c7f8ce8050bf529c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy new year,

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On Monday, January 5, 2015, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com= > wrote:
Happy New Year all,

December having been a bit snowed under, I haven't got back to this. As= this period is well passed, can I assume that we can reissue draft-dearlov= e-manet-tlv-naming as draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming? As is our usual practice= , this will be unchanged. (Were there any major issues we would do an -01 o= f the former first, but there aren't, I believe, even any minor issues = raised.)

Christopher

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From: Stan Ratliff [mailto:ratliffstan@gmail.com]<= br> Sent: 20 November 2014 23:57
To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
Subject: Re: TLV naming draft


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On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> wrote:
We would, as was said in Honolulu, like to request that draft-dearlove-mane= t-tlv-naming be adopted as a WG draft, and for the chairs to start this pro= cess.
=C2=A0
As also indicated, we will shortly thereafter be wanting to go to WGLC and = onwards, but one step at a time.
=C2=A0
For those who may have missed it, this draft just tidies up some details of= TLV naming, it has no actual impact on any protocol. However our AD has in= dicated that multitopology OLSRv2 (with the IESG for experimental status) w= on=E2=80=99t be able to proceed to RFC without this.
=C2=A0
Of course comments welcome on any points arising.
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--089e0129447c7f8ce8050bf529c3-- From nobody Mon Jan 5 21:42:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942C11A90C0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5vkYGkqMubHv for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x22e.google.com (mail-qa0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D6F51A1ADC for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id w8so15885446qac.33 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:42:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rUIH+FZWoOqg0PbSZD4/RcGj+Y9KFUEg3EqCWDd3c9Y=; b=cDHCcrLAKdp/uzkQHqhrkIh81gJWIn5XAc0hboW84n9tVeVQYx3ClmsJGZvYEFchl6 trIQ+9zdkaDLzkR6qQKl0sFRLP5ABrvFdXPBSOmhtLv3pK6Gn7Ysy4ZP9ojCE3Bp+unC 8hC8fGmpIyaXlicuXGllAOxZxbtBHo15R/iH69cNCyI9f7cmshAaI7arr8emTx2LPTxm MgWlDOj/zSHIt7tErLee9eiPgTGBNVAGxsR93fwMrp8x5CRe/MqeQ2dI+l4gfg9aqWMk 0WvPmP6kxyW1e+oR9Ak11yynfHfqonq/ahWogKT79e6EAc3yZrNxVoAQaaOhQdP8WJXw WgmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.7.69 with SMTP id c5mr150140385qac.71.1420522972323; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.86.178 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:42:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150105163513.21674.50781.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20150105163513.21674.50781.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:42:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24eda2943c2050bf54724 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/5MuNLpDy9Rw4DBM5kPuKcHUl4GU Cc: "manet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 05:42:57 -0000 --001a11c24eda2943c2050bf54724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please include the description mentioned that the draft has no impact on 5444, or that it is only technical issue related to guide for experts of allocation. AB On Friday, November 21, 2014, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) < chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> wrote: > The impact on 5444 is limited to adding advice to the designated experts > who are responsible for TLV allocations to ensure naming of new TLVs > follows this pattern. It has no impact on any actual protocol, as is noted. > The authors have marked it as updating 5444 for that technical reason, but > aren't wedding to that description. > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group > Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability > BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre > West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, > Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK > Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Abdussalam Baryun [mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com] > Sent: 21 November 2014 02:05 > To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) > Cc: Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin Dean ( > jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil); manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [manet] TLV naming draft > > ----------------------! 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However, I understand > from your message that this TLV naming draft is not updating any of our > standards, but it is updating RFC5444 so this draft has impact on RFC5444. > > AB > ******************************************************************** > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or > distribute its contents to any other person. > ******************************************************************** On Monday, January 5, 2015, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Working Group of > the IETF. > > Title : TLV Naming in the MANET Generalized > Packet/Message Format > Authors : Christopher Dearlove > Thomas Heide Clausen > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2015-01-05 > > Abstract: > TLVs (type-length-value structures) as defined by RFC5444 have both a > type (one octet) and a type extension (one octet), together forming a > full type (of two octets). RFC5444 sets up IANA registries for TLV > types, specifying that an allocation of a TLV type entails creation > of an IANA registry for the corresponding type extensions. > > In some cases, reserving all 256 type extensions for use for a common > purpose for a given TLV is meaningful, and thus it makes sense to > record a common name for such a TLV type (and all of its type > extensions) in the corresponding IANA registries. An example of such > is a LINK_METRIC TLV Type, with its type extensions reserved for use > to be indicating the "kind" of metric expressed by the value of the > TLV. > > In some other cases, there may not be 256 full types that share a > common purpose and, as such, it is not meaningful to record a common > name for all the type extensions for a TLV type in the corresponding > IANA registries. Rather, it is appropriate to record an individual > name per full type. > > This document reorganizes the naming of already allocated TLV types > and type extensions in those registries to use names appropriately. > It has no consequences in terms of any protocol implementation. > > This document also updates the Expert Review guidelines from RFC5444, > so as to establish a policy for consistent naming of future TLV type > and type extension allocations. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > --001a11c24eda2943c2050bf54724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please include the description mentioned that the draft= has no impact on 5444, or that it is only technical issue related to guide= for experts of allocation.=C2=A0

AB


On Friday, Novem= ber 21, 2014, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> wrote:
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The impact on 5444 is limited to adding advice to the designated exp= erts who are responsible for TLV allocations to ensure naming of new TLVs f= ollows this pattern. It has no impact on any actual protocol, as is noted. = The authors have marked it as updating 5444 for that technical reason, but = aren't wedding to that description.

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Communications,= Networks and Image Analysis Capability
BAE Systems Advanced Technology = Centre
West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK
= Tel: +44 1245 242194=C2=A0|=C2=A0 Fax: +44 1245 242124
chris.dearlove= @baesystems.com=C2=A0|=C2=A0http://www.baesystems.com

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>
> For those who may have missed it, this draft just tidies= up some
> details of TLV naming, it has no actual impact on any prot= ocol.
> However our AD has indicated that multitopology OLSRv2 (with = the IESG
> for experimental status) won't be able to proceed to R= FC without this.

I think that such indication of requesting a new dr= aft and stoping one should be clear on the list but I did not see it. Howev= er, I understand from your message that this TLV naming draft is not updati= ng any of our standards, but it is updating RFC5444 so this draft has impac= t on RFC5444.

AB
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Working Group= of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= TLV Naming in the MANET Generalized Packet/Message Format
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Chri= stopher Dearlove
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thomas Heide Clausen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-manet-tlv-naming-00.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 16
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2015-01-05

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TLVs (type-length-value structures) as defined by RFC5444 have= both a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0type (one octet) and a type extension (one octet), together fo= rming a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0full type (of two octets).=C2=A0 RFC5444 sets up IANA registri= es for TLV
=C2=A0 =C2=A0types, specifying that an allocation of a TLV type entails cre= ation
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of an IANA registry for the corresponding type extensions.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In some cases, reserving all 256 type extensions for use for a= common
=C2=A0 =C2=A0purpose for a given TLV is meaningful, and thus it makes sense= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0record a common name for such a TLV type (and all of its type<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions) in the corresponding IANA registries.=C2=A0 An exa= mple of such
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is a LINK_METRIC TLV Type, with its type extensions reserved f= or use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to be indicating the "kind" of metric expressed by t= he value of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TLV.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In some other cases, there may not be 256 full types that shar= e a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0common purpose and, as such, it is not meaningful to record a = common
=C2=A0 =C2=A0name for all the type extensions for a TLV type in the corresp= onding
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IANA registries.=C2=A0 Rather, it is appropriate to record an = individual
=C2=A0 =C2=A0name per full type.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document reorganizes the naming of already allocated TLV = types
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and type extensions in those registries to use names appropria= tely.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It has no consequences in terms of any protocol implementation= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document also updates the Expert Review guidelines from R= FC5444,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0so as to establish a policy for consistent naming of future TL= V type
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and type extension allocations.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-tlv-nami= ng/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00<= br>

Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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gn14mr22079621wjc.36.1420737758201; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:22:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.10.66 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:22:17 +0100 Message-ID: To: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] DLEP and EUI-64 radios X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:22:41 -0000 Hi, while thinking about the coming "multiple MACs behind single radio" I thought about something we might have been missing. What is about radios that use 8-byte layer-2 addresses (EUI-64)? Should we allow the MAC tlv to contain 8 bytes? Henning Rogge From nobody Thu Jan 8 11:00:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8081C1A901E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:59:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jSYD0_4Y72P3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 226371A9009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id c9so3883420qcz.5 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:59:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=i3akS/hJI4zShe2VgCBtT9QedviLauM/WtHqONJQVoE=; b=mTEgLDwQ/NclLEBuCSQm479duQxnh6jY/F7mM7L7j17pQhxFCtytBIjlRJe0kgMWRJ /cLSJrUxgCkRkTsmijSjDHG8dQxxxoKRyN5TQ6Bc6qzuPe+wUvIQ1dPscHWv4lsKbZhI aV7kuzy4jOSBOVLWexYgl8r61Qt2zYJw7uG4SXVuGgtoIssUV1F5a+O7Kie/VU5F2kzK 4SUoJLJ4Sj/mc50Jeps7xvy0N3VYEz1ALxDg0U/HJ06CzvgJQFQbwW/rCT3rpc5JD5QC ZF0CV2wFb+B/Lsj7cl0Ip+gjoayFAbra8enn1UWvipT9rT0Zv7qpNMr1x3HqL85zADOP X61w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.104.1 with SMTP id z1mr17654812qge.76.1420743594129; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.86.178 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:59:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:59:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: Henning Rogge Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135366c3ec000050c28a5e9 Archived-At: Cc: MANET IETF Subject: Re: [manet] DLEP and EUI-64 radios X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:59:57 -0000 --001a1135366c3ec000050c28a5e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes a good idea while considering the RFC5342, or may be an addition update to that with MAC addresses organisation for MANET. AB On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Henning Rogge wrote: > Hi, > > while thinking about the coming "multiple MACs behind single radio" I > thought about something we might have been missing. > > What is about radios that use 8-byte layer-2 addresses (EUI-64)? > > Should we allow the MAC tlv to contain 8 bytes? > > Henning Rogge > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > --001a1135366c3ec000050c28a5e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes a good idea while considering the RFC5342, or may be=C2=A0an addition u= pdate to that=C2=A0with MAC=C2=A0addresses=C2=A0organisation for MANET.=C2= =A0

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On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Henning Rogg= e <hrogge@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

while thinking about the coming "multiple MACs behind single radio&quo= t; I
thought about something we might have been missing.

What is about radios that use 8-byte layer-2 addresses (EUI-64)?

Should we allow the MAC tlv to contain 8 bytes?

Henning Rogge

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--001a1135366c3ec000050c28a5e9-- From nobody Fri Jan 9 01:22:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9D81A86FE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:22:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IIPl4Ux2zgxa for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tropicalstormsoftware.com (mail.tropicalstormsoftware.com [188.94.42.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 733D31A86E8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com ([fe80::753b:fa82:5c0:af0d]) by tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com ([fe80::753b:fa82:5c0:af0d%10]) with mapi; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:18:32 +0000 From: Rick Taylor To: Abdussalam Baryun , Henning Rogge Thread-Topic: [manet] DLEP and EUI-64 radios Thread-Index: AQHQK2ezJz0pR5kJnEWTZGnaNOp6gQ== Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:18:31 +0000 Message-ID: <38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F980142B17932@tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com> References: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: MANET IETF Subject: Re: [manet] DLEP and EUI-64 radios X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 09:22:39 -0000 Good call Henning,=0A= =0A= As a TLV, the MAC address Data Item can support 8 byte addresses without = =0A= any change. I will have to recheck the text to make sure this is clear.=0A= =0A= Rick=0A= =0A= On 08/01/15 19:00, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:=0A= > Yes a good idea while considering the RFC5342, or may be an addition=0A= > update to that with MAC addresses organisation for MANET.=0A= >=0A= > AB=0A= >=0A= > On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Henning Rogge > wrote:=0A= >=0A= > Hi,=0A= >=0A= > while thinking about the coming "multiple MACs behind single radio" I= =0A= > thought about something we might have been missing.=0A= >=0A= > What is about radios that use 8-byte layer-2 addresses (EUI-64)?=0A= >=0A= > Should we allow the MAC tlv to contain 8 bytes?=0A= >=0A= > Henning Rogge=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > manet mailing list=0A= > manet@ietf.org =0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet=0A= >=0A= =0A= From nobody Fri Jan 9 01:36:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80E61A86EB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pv1qPnZy2VrE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D43B1A86E8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id h11so1055221wiw.1 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:36:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=eJ7/Fes92wF53ywQbSYr5QZgXUZFAVY0NhW6In2Q2rw=; b=l5Ze+bPMRkEvJnr96z709TVLLn0gk0ISIM87mogc3rtx4BATlC2F/rq+FuIZXuh4pD CC3YMMw3BdBidxQZhbzZI9nTaLFbKlUQnEFK/x7QsMFjCj86xwvV+ggY2yU2MpB7MdI/ kEiaNd2rVWaMiIC2nM85tckNzsSlNphk57Jo7lOhhdYBTCy0M5q9gH8FSqjrcatgQmkk f0g+JZ8ZxzZxTPzbYj+rYsnG/4XKD5k0Ts/fTVzhkRCKL/Qbyp2Ury5fi3iwARNIFCzU lfnq9lIZ6Lv44PJg8v3t3hEv784YAut2AwNWiRaAS+V+E6gdN0OHk6l9Z4UcCvVW7E0B OL4w== X-Received: by 10.194.142.234 with SMTP id rz10mr30139840wjb.118.1420796206951; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:36:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.10.66 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 01:36:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F980142B17932@tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com> References: <38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F980142B17932@tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 10:36:26 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rick Taylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: MANET IETF Subject: Re: [manet] DLEP and EUI-64 radios X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 09:36:50 -0000 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Good call Henning, > > As a TLV, the MAC address Data Item can support 8 byte addresses without > any change. I will have to recheck the text to make sure this is clear. I think so too, allowing 8-byte length for the MAC TLV should solve the problem from the protocol perspective. Maybe we should also add that we announce the length of the MAC address for the radio in the session initialization and that receiving a MAC TLV with a different length is a reason to drop the DLEP session. This makes things easier for the implementation. Henning Rogge From nobody Thu Jan 15 14:44:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6A21A9089; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9icG22_yAq8; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x232.google.com (mail-oi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33E571A9050; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id x69so14772145oia.9; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:43:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ffb+amJnM+sEvCYKdKFCy0xFCccCbiLNZMR9VM49k4Y=; b=EszqBhr1DKBOIYds8ntISJGm7pjRfkByzfjlEZ6H6YGn4CY3MOcX3kyw/ymKMdzhWZ 2eQbIWem9pPqagfStbdCh1rQMSQGc64WaDEvfh9sLCTyXwP6gn8GU6fJi1mzN1rWC88w q9SS/AI1tLeXiBaGZCWW1qo//CPJL16oguGRrdmw0ZpFx21LN/ymfA0WMVJ0MLb/VlMU XuG8LGdyRfT7NyEMliKgSolIGitTQWhmR73DKSBvga0Pk3P8ZYJQpmwiEIZI0OBL0YR+ 30W2s67v6mAzqk4LqhpgRiuN/K2+DmMkZ55r2wz5wVlnJIKwvW1k97CAfXGHZx5Q/e4b BhpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.211.70 with SMTP id na6mr7519659obc.13.1421361838416; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.197.141 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:43:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:43:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: Chen Liu To: mpls@ietf.org, gsmp@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, sip@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f838df779e9ed050cb89706 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] MISSION 2015 - IEEE Workshop on Management Issues in SDN, SDI and NFV X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:44:02 -0000 --e89a8f838df779e9ed050cb89706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apologies for cross-postings! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IEEE Workshop on Management Issues in SDN, SDI and NFV LONDON, UK, APRIL 13-17, 2015 http://sites.ieee.org/netsoft/workshop/MISSION/ CALL FOR PAPERS SCOPE The IEEE International Workshop on Management Issues in Software defined network, Software defined infrastructure and network function virtualizatION (MISSION 2015) will be held between April 13-17, 2015 in London, U.K. at the Cruciform Building of University College London (UCL) along with 1st IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft 2015). Software is increasing flexibility and programmability of infrastructure in SDN, SDI and NFV. This softwarization trend has materialized new product and services that lead to significant business benefits. To realize these benefits, we also need to rethink the management issues along with making progress in core functionalities for SDN, SDI and NFV. A holistic system-oriented innovation approach is needed to redesign infrastructure management operations, NMS artefacts and functionalities at multiple levels. The MISSION 2015 workshop will address these new and emerging management issues in SDN, SDI and NFV. TOPICS OF INTEREST Authors are invited to submit papers that fall into the area of software-defined and virtualized infrastructures. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following: - System management challenges in SDN, SDI, NFV - Network management practices and business procedures for SDN, NFV, SDI in telco and enterprise data center infrastructures - New paradigms in network operations, administration and management for SDN, SDI and NFV - Management challenges in mobile and wireless SDN and NFV environment - Service orchestration in converged network-compute and data center management - Reliability issues in SDN and NFV Network management & operations related automation, troubleshooting and administration tools for SDN, SDI and NFV - Cloud based network and system management application paradigms for SDN , SDI and NFV - Application of artificial intelligence (AI), machine learning (ML), analytics and big data in network and system management of SDN, SDI and NFV - Insights about Network Management System (NMS) architectural requirements & analysis - User experience, user interface design issues and challenges in NMS for SDN, SDI, NFV ethnographic studies on network operations centers, usability studies of management applications PAPER SUBMISSION Authors are invited to submit only original papers not published or submitted for publication elsewhere. Papers should be within 6 pages, in IEEE 2-column US-Letter style using IEEE Conference ( www.ieee.org/conferences_events/conferences/publishing/templates.html) templates and submitted in PDF format via EDAS at: http://edas.info/19315. Papers exceeding these limits, multiple submissions elsewhere, and self-plagiarized papers will be rejected without further review. All submitted papers will be subject to a peer-review process. Accepted and presented papers will be published in the MISSION 2015 Workshop Proceedings and submitted to IEEE Xplore. IMPORTANT DATES - Paper Submission: January 30, 2015 - Notification of Acceptance: February 28, 2015 - Camera Ready Papers: March 13, 2015 WORKSHOP CO-CHAIRS - Kashinath Basu, Oxford Brookes University, UK - Chen Liu, Microsoft, US NETSOFT WORKSHOP CO-CHAIRS - Amitava Biswas, Cisco Systems, US - Noura Limam, University of Waterloo, Canada NETSOFT GENERAL CO-CHAIRS - Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs, France - George Pavlou, University College London, UK IEEE SDN Initiative Chair - Antonio Manzalini, Telecom Italia, Italy TECHNICAL SPONSORS - IEEE Communications Society, IEEE Computer Society, IEEE Consumer Electronics Society and IEEE Signal Processing --e89a8f838df779e9ed050cb89706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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IEEE Workshop on Management Issu= es in SDN, SDI and NFV
LONDON, UK, APRIL 13-17, 2015
http://site= s.ieee.org/netsoft/workshop/MISSION/

CALL FOR PAPERS

SC= OPE

The IEEE International Workshop on Management Issues in Software= defined network, Software defined infrastructure and network function virt= ualizatION (MISSION 2015) will be held between April 13-17, 2015 in London,= U.K. at the Cruciform Building of University College London (UCL) along wi= th 1st IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft 201= 5). Software is increasing flexibility and programmability of infrastructur= e in SDN, SDI and NFV. This softwarization trend has materialized new produ= ct and services that lead to significant business benefits. To realize thes= e benefits, we also need to rethink the management issues along with making= progress in core functionalities for SDN, SDI and NFV. A holistic system-o= riented innovation approach is needed to redesign infrastructure management= operations, NMS artefacts and functionalities at multiple levels. The MISS= ION 2015 workshop will address these new and emerging management issues in = SDN, SDI and NFV.

TOPICS OF INTEREST

Authors are invited to s= ubmit papers that fall into the area of software-defined and virtualized in= frastructures. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the foll= owing:

- System management challenges in SDN, SDI, NFV
- Network= management practices and business procedures for SDN, NFV, SDI in telco an= d enterprise data center infrastructures
- New paradigms in network ope= rations, administration and management for SDN, SDI and NFV
- Managemen= t challenges in mobile and wireless SDN and NFV environment
- Service o= rchestration in converged network-compute and data center management
- = Reliability issues in SDN and NFV
Network management & operations r= elated automation, troubleshooting and administration tools for SDN, SDI an= d NFV
- Cloud based network and system management application paradigms= for SDN , SDI and NFV
- Application of artificial intelligence (AI), m= achine learning (ML), analytics and big data in network and system manageme= nt of SDN, SDI and NFV
- Insights about Network Management System (NMS)= architectural requirements & analysis
- User experience, user inte= rface design issues and challenges in NMS for SDN, SDI, NFV ethnographic st= udies on network operations centers, usability studies of management applic= ations


PAPER SUBMISSION

Authors are invited to submit onl= y original papers not published or submitted for publication elsewhere. Pap= ers should be within 6 pages, in IEEE 2-column US-Letter style using IEEE C= onference (www.ieee.org/conferences_events/= conferences/publishing/templates.html) templates and submitted in PDF f= ormat via EDAS at: htt= p://edas.info/19315. Papers exceeding these limits, multiple submission= s elsewhere, and self-plagiarized papers will be rejected without further r= eview. All submitted papers will be subject to a peer-review process. Accep= ted and presented papers will be published in the MISSION 2015 Workshop Pro= ceedings and submitted to IEEE Xplore.


IMPORTANT DATES

- = Paper Submission: January 30, 2015
- Notification of Acceptance: Februa= ry 28, 2015
- Camera Ready Papers: March 13, 2015

WORKSHOP CO-CH= AIRS

- Kashinath Basu, Oxford Brookes University, UK
- Chen Liu,= Microsoft, US


NETSOFT WORKSHOP CO-CHAIRS

- Amitava Biswa= s, Cisco Systems, US
- Noura Limam, University of Waterloo, Canada

=


NETSOFT GENERAL CO-CHAIRS

- Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs, Fr= ance
- George Pavlou, University College London, UK


IEEE SDN= Initiative Chair

- Antonio Manzalini, Telecom Italia, Italy

=
TECHNICAL SPONSORS

- IEEE Communications Society, IEEE Computer = Society, IEEE Consumer Electronics Society and IEEE Signal Processing

<= /div> --e89a8f838df779e9ed050cb89706-- From nobody Thu Jan 15 14:46:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2351A9050; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id csqWX8HeFcWC; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3587B1A8FD6; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp4so571295obc.1; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lR+ynT3cRDjWjTpPCuR24tG/1hHRw8plcsfkNRgmHnE=; b=DRoYHnrPmCg9Eva+urWMZn6nIkMPzwdywHf1Sbta1DpK3m75yf9gpS7rtQMoX/tdnO 2jLWr155tdRxjA1wq+mSqLn9Nq3zudne2JE/FVvoaGc3R64wc+RtO2wVjV+FkEKXNiW9 CrJqnP46hEjaP+1NdQxU0QgFnSUnOBWNcX0FXA4lWIyUqCJCcFMzjNY4dE3WNhCLkUPu 1trSZpRyKHP1UJogXxwVI0a5PGMCtUno9lee2pk6y1R2V+Ag8vCJuwxvAI7LYh64dHHm lmI9Di9uC5U8RQGGOC5pUIcdAc7hTPkT7WrwaNV5/izG23UKwgyzkOGKqTNwfKY3/a81 y9ww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.226.2 with SMTP id z2mr7122990oig.64.1421361975442; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.197.141 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:46:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: Chen Liu To: mpls@ietf.org, gsmp@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, sip@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141bac0a4cce1050cb89feb Archived-At: Subject: [manet] MASONS 2015 - IEEE International Workshop on Manageability and Security of Network Function Virtualization and Software Defined Network X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:46:19 -0000 --001a1141bac0a4cce1050cb89feb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------ Apologies for cross-postings! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers IEEE International Workshop on Manageability and Security of Network Function Virtualization and Software Defined Network (MASONS) With ICCCN 2015 at Las Vegas, Aug 3 =E2=80=93 6, 2015 http://www.icccn.org/icccn15/ MASONS 2015 is Technically Co-Sponsored by the IEEE Communication Society 1. Theme Today, many research organizations in academia, government labs and industry are exploring SDN and NFV technologies to study and materialize their benefits in real world networks. These benefits are enabling automation, reducing time to market in case of new service introductions, optimization and/or improving overall economics of network and system management and operations. However to materialize the benefits of SDN and NFV at larger scale across multiple domains, similar to today=E2=80=99s int= ernet, additional investigations are needed which should focus beyond the core SDN, NFV features and functionalities. This involves: development of multi-domain SDN network to support Internet; large scale deployment of novel applications, identification of technological and operational gaps in research and development over the longer term to increase the capability of SDN and NFV powered networks, and better integrate them with existing public Internet and emerging cloud technologies; Identification of security, manageability gaps, including opportunities to build in additional levels of security, resilience and management capabilities. 2. Topics of interest This workshop aims to show case and disseminate new ideas and high quality research on manageability and security of Software Defined Network and Network Function Virtualization. We solicit original research articles, review papers, theoretical studies, and practical software systems incorporating new paradigms, experimental prototypes, and insightful requirement analysis with the above theme including, but not limited to the topics below: * Design, requirements and prototypes of Software Defined Exchanges (SDX) to enable interoperability and use of new approaches with the current Internet infrastructure. * Security, privacy, authentication, trust, verification for SDN and NFV. * Integration of compute, storage and network under the Software Defined Infrastructure (SDI) paradigm. * Analysis of new management challenges that SDN and NFV has introduced. * Network management practices and business processes for SDN and NFV, in service provider and data center infrastructures. * Tools and operational procedures for managing SDN. * New paradigms in network operations, administration and management (OAM), service orchestration, service engineering, converged network-compute and data center management. * Software Defined Network (SDN), abstraction, programmability, application Interface, south and northbound API. * Network Function Virtualization (NFV), distributed control, virtual switches, routing virtualization. * Network system management, orchestration, resource management and optimization, integration, interoperability. * Network operations management related automation, troubleshooting and management tools. * Cloud based network and system management application paradigms. * Application of artificial intelligence (AI), machine learning (ML), analytics and big data in network and system management. * Insights about Network Management System architectural requirements analysis. * Scalability of SDN, NFV, SDI, NMS systems. * User experience, user interface design issues and challenges in NMS for SDN, NFV, ethnographic studies on network operations centers, usability studies of management applications. 3. Instructions for IEEE MASONS 2015 Workshop Authors: Submitted manuscripts must be formatted in standard IEEE camera ready format (double column, 10 pt font) and must be submitted via EasyChair ( http://www.easychair.org/) as PDF files (formatted for 8.5=C3=9711 inch pap= er). It should be no longer than 6 pages with up to two extra pages given the authors are willing to pay an over-length charge per extra page. The detailed information can be found in the ICCCN 2015 (Las Vegas) website. For any workshop related questions or additional information please contact the General, TPC, or Workshop Chairs. Submitted papers should not be previously published in or be under consideration for publication in another conference or journal. Paper titles and/or author names cannot be changed and/or added to the papers once papers are submitted to ICCCN 2015 for review. Submissions must include a title, abstract, keywords, author(s) and affiliation(s) with postal and email address(es) and phone number(s). A paper abstract must be registered on EasyChair by the deadline indicated below. 4. Important dates: * Abstract Due: Mar 2, 2015 * Paper Due: Mar 10, 2015 * Acceptance Notification: Apr 13, 2015 * Camera Ready Due: May 8, 2015 5. Review and Publication of Manuscripts: Submitted papers will be reviewed by the ICCCN 2015 TPC members and judged on originality, technical correctness, relevance, and quality of presentation. An accepted paper must be presented at the conference venue by one (who registered/paid full author reg. fee) of authors to be included in the conference venue. Each full registration covers up to two ICCCN 2015 conference papers authored by the registered/paid author. Accepted and presented papers will be published in the conference proceedings and submitted to IEEE Xplore as well as other Abstracting and Indexing (A&I) databases. The page limit for papers is 6 pages. Papers should be submitted on EDAS, the link for this workshop will be published here shortly. Papers of special merit will be selected for possible fast track at a journal special issue at IJCNDS (see details at http://www.inderscience.com/info/ingeneral/cfplist.php?jcode=3Dijcnds and http://www.manageability-at-scale.org/cfp/). 6. Workshop chairs * Inder Monga, ESnet and LBNL, USA, imonga@es.net * Amitava Biswas, Cisco Systems, USA, amitavabiswas@ieee.org * Chen Liu, Microsoft, USA, chenliu419@gmail.com --001a1141bac0a4cce1050cb89feb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Call for Papers

IEEE Int= ernational Workshop on Manageability and Security of Network Function Virtu= alization and Software Defined Network (MASONS)=C2=A0
With ICCCN 2015 a= t Las Vegas, Aug 3 =E2=80=93 6, 2015
http://www.icccn.org/icccn15/

MASONS 20= 15 is Technically Co-Sponsored by the IEEE Communication Society

1. T= heme

Today, many research organizations in academia, government labs = and industry are exploring SDN and NFV technologies to study and materializ= e their benefits in real world networks. These benefits are enabling automa= tion, reducing time to market in case of new service introductions, optimiz= ation and/or improving overall economics of network and system management a= nd operations. However to materialize the benefits of SDN and NFV at larger= scale across multiple domains, similar to today=E2=80=99s internet, additi= onal investigations are needed which should focus beyond the core SDN, NFV = features and functionalities. This involves: development of multi-domain SD= N network to support Internet; large scale deployment of novel applications= , identification of technological and operational gaps in research and deve= lopment over the longer term to increase the capability of SDN and NFV powe= red networks, and better integrate them with existing public Internet and e= merging cloud technologies; Identification of security, manageability gaps,= including opportunities to build in additional levels of security, resilie= nce and management capabilities.

2. Topics of interest

This wor= kshop aims to show case and disseminate new ideas and high quality research= on manageability and security of Software Defined Network and Network Func= tion Virtualization. We solicit original research articles, review papers, = theoretical studies, and practical software systems incorporating new parad= igms, experimental prototypes, and insightful requirement analysis with the= above theme including, but not limited to the topics below:
* Design, = requirements and prototypes of Software Defined Exchanges (SDX) to enable i= nteroperability and use of new approaches with the current Internet infrast= ructure.
* Security, privacy, authentication, trust, verification for SD= N and NFV.
* Integration of compute, storage and network under the Softw= are Defined Infrastructure (SDI) paradigm.
* Analysis of new management = challenges that SDN and NFV has introduced.
* Network management practi= ces and business processes for SDN and NFV, in service provider and data ce= nter infrastructures.
* Tools and operational procedures for managing SD= N.
* New paradigms in network operations, administration and management = (OAM), service orchestration, service engineering, converged network-comput= e and data center management.
* Software Defined Network (SDN), abstract= ion, programmability, application Interface, south and northbound API.
*= Network Function Virtualization (NFV), distributed control, virtual switch= es, routing virtualization.
* Network system management, orchestration, = resource management and optimization, integration, interoperability.
* N= etwork operations management related automation, troubleshooting and manage= ment tools.
* Cloud based network and system management application para= digms.
* Application of artificial intelligence (AI), machine learning (= ML), analytics and big data in network and system management.
* Insights= about Network Management System architectural requirements analysis.
* = Scalability of SDN, NFV, SDI, NMS systems.
* User experience, user inter= face design issues and challenges in NMS for SDN, NFV, ethnographic studies= on network operations centers, usability studies of management application= s.

3. Instructions for IEEE MASONS 2015 Workshop Authors:

Submi= tted manuscripts must be formatted in standard IEEE camera ready format (do= uble column, 10 pt font) and must be submitted via EasyChair (http://www.easychair.org/) a= s PDF files (formatted for 8.5=C3=9711 inch paper). It should be no longer = than 6 pages with up to two extra pages given the authors are willing to pa= y an over-length charge per extra page. The detailed information can be fou= nd in the ICCCN 2015 (Las Vegas) website. For any workshop related question= s or additional information please contact the General, TPC, or Workshop Ch= airs.

Submitted papers should not be previously published in or be un= der consideration for publication in another conference or journal. Paper t= itles and/or author names cannot be changed and/or added to the papers once= papers are submitted to ICCCN 2015 for review. Submissions must include a = title, abstract, keywords, author(s) and affiliation(s) with postal and ema= il address(es) and phone number(s). A paper abstract must be registered on = EasyChair by the deadline indicated below.

4. Important dates:

= * Abstract Due: Mar 2, 2015
* Paper Due: Mar 10, 2015
* Acceptance No= tification: Apr 13, 2015
* Camera Ready Due: May 8, 2015

5. Review= and Publication of Manuscripts:

Submitted papers will be reviewed by= the ICCCN 2015 TPC members and judged on originality, technical correctnes= s, relevance, and quality of presentation. An accepted paper must be presen= ted at the conference venue by one (who registered/paid full author reg. fe= e) of authors to be included in the conference venue. Each full registratio= n covers up to two ICCCN 2015 conference papers authored by the registered/= paid author. Accepted and presented papers will be published in the confere= nce proceedings and submitted to IEEE Xplore as well as other Abstracting a= nd Indexing (A&I) databases. The page limit for papers is 6 pages. Pape= rs should be submitted on EDAS, the link for this workshop will be publishe= d here shortly.

Papers of special merit will be selected for possible= fast track at a journal special issue at IJCNDS (see details at http://www.inderscience.com/info/ingeneral/cfplist.php?jcode= =3Dijcnds and=C2=A0 http://www.manageability-at-scale.org/cfp/).

<= p>6. Workshop chairs
* Inder Monga, ESnet and LBNL, USA, imonga@es.net
* Amitava Biswas,= Cisco Systems, USA, amitavabiswas@ieee.org
* Chen Liu, Microsoft, USA, chenliu419@gmail.com
--001a1141bac0a4cce1050cb89feb-- From nobody Fri Jan 23 02:51:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04061A0BE8 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:51:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M80HZR1Cx-73 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ukmta1.baesystems.com (ukmta1.baesystems.com [20.133.0.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 948751A01E7 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:51:38 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,453,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="517514871" Received: from unknown (HELO baemasmds017.greenlnk.net) ([10.15.207.104]) by baemasmds003ir.sharelnk.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2015 10:51:36 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,453,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="84815084" Received: from glkxh0004v.greenlnk.net ([10.109.2.35]) by baemasmds017.greenlnk.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2015 10:51:15 +0000 Received: from GLKXM0002V.GREENLNK.net ([169.254.5.118]) by GLKXH0004V.GREENLNK.net ([10.109.2.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:51:15 +0000 From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" To: "Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com)" , "Justin Dean (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil)" , "manet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 Thread-Index: AdA2+gYFJm+TlKwgSKSaVvGyD+0Yhg== Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.109.62.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "Thomas Heide Clausen \(thomas@thomasclausen.org\)" Subject: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:51:42 -0000 As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to reques= t a WGLC of this document. As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA, allowing u= s to have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any existing p= rotocols. We need to it order to advance draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopol= ogy. I hope we can have a short WGLC period on this one. -- = Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, = Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. 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You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From nobody Fri Jan 23 05:37:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1FB1A90B6 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L9MGbjAvxMZy for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 732251A90B8 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0NDbOlX012820; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:37:24 GMT Received: from 950129200 (089144224197.atnat0033.highway.a1.net [89.144.224.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0NDbMpj012804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:37:23 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Dearlove, Christopher \(UK\)'" , "'Stan Ratliff'" , "'Justin Dean'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:37:21 -0000 Message-ID: <003401d03711$b815ea00$2841be00$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLKnZ/s7LvSuhyczjcMDXhYiqMyt5rY5sQg Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21276.004 X-TM-AS-Result: No--20.612-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--20.612-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 6lay9u8oTUOnykMun0J1wlu4M/xm4KZeIaLR+2xKRDKo1quoVlqNSOKU 8nirgnDGTWLw2jvbfpwQIIqVNQDiwaTCRLvjFJnzlK9Gmb8kcuLV36NP+XXR3rV5fSMRD1zqZ7K Xjwm26qqkvbLNkWFmOJ2DdYyTLheOzsxad8fKlobThGbP9qB93J20dShmm+V5johXckB+XwH+BN LcWA4CGC/LvQAzqPfLpYT07hJh0B48A73TdWVG0q3SxRSke3bphGE2Vcc6ixcc0nbYaP5Pw6j6H KxoKt4qnK6NH0kJeVoycPsDdl2dA2JnITZQ7LgcfGKtc2j/ffaxeWIhqJ4MiV5fOAUAfrFX5f3o McvHC/CDRhXj3pq/qTk2sxk9/brk2rvYheZgBXuzI1v7J4hECiOjxzQ2RhgiycHyRBagAsESFiQ K89eFDA/H8YH8rGiOfyYDewMOrQB3M7/Jzxffcd0H8LFZNFG7JQhrLH5KSJ0= Archived-At: Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:37:32 -0000 Yes, thanks for doing this work. I wouldn't change WG process for this doc, but 2 weeks is not so long in = the scheme of things. If you get it moving soon, I can clear this and the MT I-D within my = tenure. A > -----Original Message----- > From: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) = [mailto:chris.dearlove@baesystems.com] > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51 > To: Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin Dean (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil); > manet@ietf.org > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Thomas Heide Clausen = (thomas@thomasclausen.org) > Subject: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 >=20 > As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to = request a WGLC > of this document. >=20 > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA, = allowing us to > have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any existing protocols. > We need to it order to advance draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology. = I hope we > can have a short WGLC period on this one. >=20 > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group > Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability > BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre > West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com >=20 > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace = Centre, > Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK > Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 >=20 >=20 > ************************************************************** > ****** > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or > distribute its contents to any other person. > ************************************************************** > ****** From nobody Fri Jan 23 05:42:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1705A1A90CC for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:42:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nm0ZUA3utp8d for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ukmta1.baesystems.com (ukmta1.baesystems.com [20.133.0.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11CB51A90BA for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,453,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="517597374" Received: from unknown (HELO baemasmds017.greenlnk.net) ([10.15.207.104]) by baemasmds003ir.sharelnk.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2015 13:41:44 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,453,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="85129028" Received: from glkxh0005v.greenlnk.net ([10.109.2.36]) by baemasmds017.greenlnk.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2015 13:41:44 +0000 Received: from GLKXM0002V.GREENLNK.net ([169.254.5.118]) by GLKXH0005V.GREENLNK.net ([10.109.2.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:41:44 +0000 From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'Stan Ratliff' , 'Justin Dean' , "manet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 Thread-Index: AdA2+gYFJm+TlKwgSKSaVvGyD+0YhgAF7CCAAAAe8AA= Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:41:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <003401d03711$b815ea00$2841be00$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003401d03711$b815ea00$2841be00$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.109.62.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:42:01 -0000 I wouldn't expect less than 2 weeks. But sometimes it's longer, I just don'= t want longer. Or think it justified. --=20 Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, = Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 Sent: 23 January 2015 13:37 To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.o= rg Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' Subject: RE: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 ----------------------! WARNING ! ---------------------- This message origi= nates from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or fro= m the internet. Consider carefully whether you should click on any links, open any attachme= nts or reply. Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for instructions o= n reporting suspicious email messages. -------------------------------------------------------- Yes, thanks for doing this work. I wouldn't change WG process for this doc, but 2 weeks is not so long in th= e scheme of things. If you get it moving soon, I can clear this and the MT I-D within my tenure= . A > -----Original Message----- > From: Dearlove, Christopher (UK)=20 > [mailto:chris.dearlove@baesystems.com] > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51 > To: Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin Dean (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil); > manet@ietf.org > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Thomas Heide Clausen=20 > (thomas@thomasclausen.org) > Subject: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 >=20 > As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to=20 > request a WGLC > of this document. >=20 > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA,=20 > allowing us to > have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any existing protocols. > We need to it order to advance draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology.=20 > I hope we > can have a short WGLC period on this one. >=20 > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications,=20 > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology=20 > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124=20 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com >=20 > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace=20 > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales=20 > No: 1996687 >=20 >=20 > ************************************************************** > ****** > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended=20 > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended=20 > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or=20 > distribute its contents to any other person. > ************************************************************** > ****** From nobody Fri Jan 23 05:45:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3221A037D; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MDy2GKy09I1l; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9601A90D4; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:45:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150123134502.1118.62268.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:45:02 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: manet@ietf.org Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization-04.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:45:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Optimization for the MANET Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP) Authors : Christopher Dearlove Thomas Heide Clausen Filename : draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2015-01-23 Abstract: The link quality mechanism of the MANET Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP) enables "ignoring" some 1-hop neighbors if the measured link quality from that 1-hop neighbor is below an acceptable threshold, while still retaining the corresponding link information as acquired from HELLO message exchange. This allows immediate reinstatement of the 1-hop neighbor if the link quality later improves sufficiently. NHDP also collects information about symmetric 2-hop neighbors. However it specifies that if a link from a symmetric 1-hop neighbor ceases being symmetric, including while "ignored" as described above, then corresponding symmetric 2-hop neighbors are removed. This may lead to symmetric 2-hop neighborhood information being permanently removed (until further HELLO messages are received) if the link quality of a symmetric 1-hop neighbor drops below the acceptable threshold, even if only for a moment. This specification updates RFC6130 "Mobile Ad Hoc Network (MANET) Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP)", and RFC7181 "The Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2)" to permit, as an option, retaining, but ignoring, symmetric 2-hop information when the link quality from the corresponding 1-hop neighbor drops below the acceptable threshold. This allows immediate reinstatement of the symmetric 2-hop neighbor if the link quality later improves sufficiently, thus making the symmetric 2-hop neighborhood more "robust". The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jan 23 05:55:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491481A90B8 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:55:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LHGhY8w28dsx for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ironport2.idirect.net (ironport2.dmz.idirect.net [198.180.159.30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534B11A90B6 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: None (ironport2.idirect.net: no sender authenticity information available from domain of sratliff@idirect.net) identity=pra; client-ip=10.250.250.201; receiver=ironport2.idirect.net; envelope-from="sratliff@idirect.net"; x-sender="sratliff@idirect.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral (ironport2.idirect.net: domain of sratliff@idirect.net does not assert whether or not 10.250.250.201 is permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=10.250.250.201; receiver=ironport2.idirect.net; envelope-from="sratliff@idirect.net"; x-sender="sratliff@idirect.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (ironport2.idirect.net: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@webmail.idirect.net) identity=helo; client-ip=10.250.250.201; receiver=ironport2.idirect.net; envelope-from="sratliff@idirect.net"; x-sender="postmaster@webmail.idirect.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,454,1418101200"; d="scan'208";a="5628121" Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.idirect.net) ([10.250.250.201]) by ironport2.idirect.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2015 08:55:43 -0500 Received: from VAUSDITCHM2.idirect.net (10.250.250.202) by VAUSDITCHM1.idirect.net (10.250.250.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.29; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:55:43 -0500 Received: from VAUSDITCHM2.idirect.net ([fe80::c422:556:6ad1:e682]) by VAUSDITCHM2.idirect.net ([fe80::b5b6:9e50:3403:e75d%15]) with mapi id 15.00.0995.028; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:55:43 -0500 From: "Ratliff, Stanley" To: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "Ratliff, Stanley" , 'Justin Dean' , "manet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 Thread-Index: AdA3E5xkf2AkPmlMRQyQ3gKDYbXF0A== Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:55:42 +0000 Message-ID: <21468929a74a44eab6f079e41c25ef30@VAUSDITCHM2.idirect.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.250.250.20] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' Subject: [manet] WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:55:49 -0000 Hello Working Group Participants, Please see the email thread below. This document is now in Working Group La= st Call. The Last Call will run through Feb. 6, 2015. Please review the doc= ument and submit any comments to the list on or before that date. =20 Lack of a response on-list will be viewed as acceptance of the document. Regards, Stan =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dearlove, > Christopher (UK) > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:42 AM > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.org > Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' > Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 >=20 > I wouldn't expect less than 2 weeks. But sometimes it's longer, I just do= n't > want longer. Or think it justified. >=20 > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.= com > | http://www.baesystems.com >=20 > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales > No: 1996687 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: 23 January 2015 13:37 > To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf= .org > Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' > Subject: RE: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 >=20 > ----------------------! WARNING ! ---------------------- This message ori= ginates > from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or from th= e > internet. > Consider carefully whether you should click on any links, open any > attachments or reply. > Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for instructions= on > reporting suspicious email messages. > -------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Yes, thanks for doing this work. >=20 > I wouldn't change WG process for this doc, but 2 weeks is not so long in = the > scheme of things. >=20 > If you get it moving soon, I can clear this and the MT I-D within my tenu= re. >=20 > A >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) > > [mailto:chris.dearlove@baesystems.com] > > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51 > > To: Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin Dean > (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil); > > manet@ietf.org > > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Thomas Heide Clausen > > (thomas@thomasclausen.org) > > Subject: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > > > As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to > > request a > WGLC > > of this document. > > > > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA, > > allowing us > to > > have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any existing > protocols. > > We need to it order to advance draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology. > > I hope > we > > can have a short WGLC period on this one. > > > > -- > > Christopher Dearlove > > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, > > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology > > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > > Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124 > > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace > > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales > > No: 1996687 > > > > > > > ********************************************************** > **** > > ****** > > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > > recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > > recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. > > You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or > > distribute its contents to any other person. > > > ********************************************************** > **** > > ****** >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Fri Jan 23 07:07:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5085B1A90EA; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:07:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zOscfz-SEDwJ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE571A90F5; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:07:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150123150739.25102.61321.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:07:39 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: manet chair , manet mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [manet] Protocol Action: 'An Optimization for the MANET Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization-04.txt) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:07:53 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'An Optimization for the MANET Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP)' (draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Alia Atlas. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-optimization/ Technical Summary The link quality mechanism of the MANET Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP) enables "ignoring" some 1-hop neighbors if the measured link quality from that 1-hop neighbor is below an acceptable threshold, while still retaining the corresponding link information as acquired from HELLO message exchange. This allows immediate reinstatement of the 1-hop neighbor if the link quality later improves sufficiently. NHDP also collects information about symmetric 2-hop neighbors. However it specifies that if a link from a symmetric 1-hop neighbor ceases being symmetric, including while "ignored" as described above, then corresponding symmetric 2-hop neighbors are removed. This may lead to symmetric 2-hop neighborhood information being permanently removed (until further HELLO messages are received) if the link quality of a symmetric 1-hop neighbor drops below the acceptable threshold, even if only for a moment. This specification updates RFC6130 "Mobile Ad Hoc Network (MANET) Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP)", and RFC7181 "The Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2)" to permit retaining, but ignoring, symmetric 2-hop information when the link quality from the corresponding 1-hop neighbor drops below the acceptable threshold. This allows immediate reinstatement of the symmetric 2-hop neighbor if the link quality later improves sufficiently, thus making the symmetric 2-hop neighborhood more "robust". Working Group Summary A question was raised by one participant about whether it is appropriate to claim this work as an optimization with providing quantified measurements, however, the working group felt that the improvements offered a quite clearly an optimization in terms of reduced message exchanges and more rapid recovery from transitory failures, and so no further documentation was necessary. The consensus behind publication of this document as an Proposed Standard RFC appears solid. Document Quality: There are multiple implementations. No MIB doctor, Media Type or other expert reviews have been done. Personnel: The Document Shepherd is Ulrich Herberg. The Responsible Area Director is Adrian Farrel. From nobody Sat Jan 24 19:29:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645B51A1A88 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:29:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Om684jQihbPI for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x235.google.com (mail-qc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 240671A009B for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l6so3061039qcy.12 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:29:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zlbE/unJPI1bgm+ffSZdLhn1+QZtywcOKmHfYBnib/Y=; b=nCoRHq1bUU5EkC5K77MjOCRtliHHsSuv11FariTkoV44AbXOa7vQGjZBc3a3ZlYqtR 8njHJBeaTcDrQo74L/KVLdjYMdPtTdgx3x6qyMWKyPW25JxqtOi6MSA7XJl7ClJKpKcr pHbbrWAkI2x0wyXdJ718uv7s4v8cY7bzUQ/lrKB/RQjyqDgZfksg7wkNvPH43KmwQl9L 3RasN0BY99AVsGbpgyyxs6FUJjL5K666vwR3PrxILk+Dzlm9+u2czMOxOTW5fwUqMWDf 1QhElNwgncZ7B4TDSSEBl6dl1+I1kbEpSMZk/dBcq0HVv9fJSJdvCc7WylAhfG5Sykhh A4Tg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.95.114 with SMTP id h105mr7581136qge.64.1422156540269; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.98.179 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:29:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <21468929a74a44eab6f079e41c25ef30@VAUSDITCHM2.idirect.net> References: <21468929a74a44eab6f079e41c25ef30@VAUSDITCHM2.idirect.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 05:29:00 +0200 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: "Ratliff, Stanley" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c16b2065dba4050d719f1a Archived-At: Cc: "Dearlove, Christopher \(UK\)" , "manet@ietf.org" , Justin Dean , Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: Re: [manet] WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:29:04 -0000 --001a11c16b2065dba4050d719f1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There was a respond regarding this document but still no change (I think the authors noted that it will be changed), so still it is not accepted from my side until the amendment done, I will review again and if no respond from me then that means I still request the amendments. AB On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Ratliff, Stanley wrote: > Hello Working Group Participants, > > Please see the email thread below. This document is now in Working Group > Last Call. The Last Call will run through Feb. 6, 2015. Please review the > document and submit any comments to the list on or before that date. > > Lack of a response on-list will be viewed as acceptance of the document. > > Regards, > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dearlove, > > Christopher (UK) > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:42 AM > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.org > > Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' > > Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > > > I wouldn't expect less than 2 weeks. But sometimes it's longer, I just > don't > > want longer. Or think it justified. > > > > -- > > Christopher Dearlove > > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, > > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology > > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com > > | http://www.baesystems.com > > > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace > > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales > > No: 1996687 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Sent: 23 January 2015 13:37 > > To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; > manet@ietf.org > > Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' > > Subject: RE: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > > > ----------------------! WARNING ! ---------------------- This message > originates > > from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or from > the > > internet. > > Consider carefully whether you should click on any links, open any > > attachments or reply. > > Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for > instructions on > > reporting suspicious email messages. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Yes, thanks for doing this work. > > > > I wouldn't change WG process for this doc, but 2 weeks is not so long in > the > > scheme of things. > > > > If you get it moving soon, I can clear this and the MT I-D within my > tenure. > > > > A > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) > > > [mailto:chris.dearlove@baesystems.com] > > > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51 > > > To: Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin Dean > > (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil); > > > manet@ietf.org > > > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Thomas Heide Clausen > > > (thomas@thomasclausen.org) > > > Subject: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > > > > > As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to > > > request a > > WGLC > > > of this document. > > > > > > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA, > > > allowing us > > to > > > have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any existing > > protocols. > > > We need to it order to advance draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology. > > > I hope > > we > > > can have a short WGLC period on this one. > > > > > > -- > > > Christopher Dearlove > > > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, > > > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology > > > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > > > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 > > > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > > > > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > > > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace > > > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales > > > No: 1996687 > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************** > > **** > > > ****** > > > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > > > recipient and may also be privileged. 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There was a respond regarding this document but still= no change (I think the authors noted that it will be changed), so still it= is not accepted from my side until the amendment done, I will review again= and if no respond from me then that means I still request the amendments. =

AB

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Ratliff, Stanley <sratliff@idirect.net> wrote:
Hello Working Group Participants,

Please see the email thread below. This document is now in Working Group La= st Call. The Last Call will run through Feb. 6, 2015. Please review the doc= ument and submit any comments to the list on or before that date.

Lack of a response on-list will be viewed as acceptance of the document.
Regards,
Stan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: manet [mailto:manet-bo= unces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dearlove,
> Christopher (UK)
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:42 AM
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; &#= 39;Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.org
> Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen'
> Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 >
> I wouldn't expect less than 2 weeks. But sometimes it's longer= , I just don't
> want longer. Or think it justified.
>
> --
> Christopher Dearlove
> Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications,=
> Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology=
> Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44= 1245 242194=C2=A0|=C2=A0 Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.com
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>
> BAE Systems (Operations) Limited
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> Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & W= ales
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adr= ian@olddog.co.uk]
> Sent: 23 January 2015 13:37
> To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin De= an'; manet@ietf.org
> Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen'
> Subject: RE: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00
>
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>
> If you get it moving soon, I can clear this and the MT I-D within my t= enure.
>
> A
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
> > [mailto:chris.de= arlove@baesystems.com]
> > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51
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> > manet@ietf.org
> > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Thomas Heide Clausen
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> > Subject: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00
> >
> > As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like= to
> > request a
> WGLC
> > of this document.
> >
> > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA,<= br> > > allowing us
> to
> > have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any exist= ing
> protocols.
> > We need to it order to advance draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopol= ogy.
> > I hope
> we
> > can have a short WGLC period on this one.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Dearlove
> > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communicat= ions,
> > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Techn= ology
> > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN,= UK
> > Tel: +44 1245 242194=C2=A0|=C2=A0 Fax: +44 1245 242124
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This document is now in Working Group = Last Call. The Last Call will run through Feb. 6, 2015. Please review = the document and submit any comments to the list on or before that date. Lack of a response on-list will be viewed as acceptance of the document. Regards, Stan > -----Original Message----- > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dearlove, > Christopher (UK) > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:42 AM > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.org > Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' > Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > I wouldn't expect less than 2 weeks. But sometimes it's longer, I just = don't > want longer. Or think it justified. > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group Communications, > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 = 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.com > | http://www.baesystems.com > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales > No: 1996687 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: 23 January 2015 13:37 > To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; = manet@ietf.org > Cc: 'Thomas Heide Clausen' > Subject: RE: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > ----------------------! WARNING ! ---------------------- This message = originates > from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or from = the > internet. > Consider carefully whether you should click on any links, open any > attachments or reply. > Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for = instructions on > reporting suspicious email messages. > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, thanks for doing this work. > > I wouldn't change WG process for this doc, but 2 weeks is not so long = in the > scheme of things. > > If you get it moving soon, I can clear this and the MT I-D within my = tenure. > > A > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) > > [mailto:chris.dearlove@baesystems.com] > > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51 > > To: Stan Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin Dean > (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil); > > manet@ietf.org > > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Thomas Heide Clausen > > (thomas@thomasclausen.org) > > Subject: Request WGLC of draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00 > > > > As the subject line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to > > request a > WGLC > > of this document. > > > > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter for IANA, > > allowing us > to > > have our TLVs named properly. It makes no difference to any existing > protocols. > > We need to it order to advance = draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology. > > I hope > we > > can have a short WGLC period on this one. > > > > -- > > Christopher Dearlove > > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group = Communications, > > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced = Technology > > Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 = 242124 =20 > > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace > > Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & = Wales > > No: 1996687 > > > > > > > ********************************************************** > **** > > ****** > > This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > > recipient and may also be privileged. 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Yup, Christopher said he would = make the change together with any last call = comments.

 

Adrian

 

From: Abdussalam Baryun = [mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 January 2015 = 03:29
To: Ratliff, Stanley
Cc: Dearlove, Christopher = (UK); adrian@olddog.co.uk; Justin Dean; manet@ietf.org; Thomas Heide = Clausen
Subject: Re: [manet] WGLC of = draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00

 

There was a respond regarding this document but still = no change (I think the authors noted that it will be changed), so still = it is not accepted from my side until the amendment done, I will review = again and if no respond from me then that means I still request the = amendments.

 

AB

 

On Fri, = Jan 23, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Ratliff, Stanley <sratliff@idirect.net> wrote:

Hello Working Group Participants,

Please see = the email thread below. This document is now in Working Group Last Call. = The Last Call will run through Feb. 6, 2015. Please review the document = and submit any comments to the list on or before that date.

Lack = of a response on-list will be viewed as acceptance of the = document.

Regards,
Stan


> -----Original = Message-----
> From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Dearlove,
> Christopher (UK)
> Sent: Friday, = January 23, 2015 8:42 AM
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Stan = Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.org
> Cc: 'Thomas = Heide Clausen'
> Subject: Re: [manet] Request WGLC of = draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00
>
> I wouldn't expect less = than 2 weeks. But sometimes it's longer, I just don't
> want = longer. Or think it justified.
>
> --
> Christopher = Dearlove
> Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group = Communications,
> Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE = Systems Advanced Technology
> Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great = Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK
> Tel: +44 1245 242194 |  Fax: = +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.c= om
> | http://www.baesystems.com
>
> BAE = Systems (Operations) Limited
> Registered Office: Warwick House, = PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace
> Centre, Farnborough, Hants, = GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales
> No: = 1996687
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
> = Sent: 23 January 2015 13:37
> To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); = 'Stan Ratliff'; 'Justin Dean'; manet@ietf.org
> Cc: 'Thomas = Heide Clausen'
> Subject: RE: Request WGLC of = draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00
>
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>
> I wouldn't change WG = process for this doc, but 2 weeks is not so long in the
> scheme = of things.
>
> If you get it moving soon, I can clear this = and the MT I-D within my tenure.
>
> A
>
> > = -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dearlove, Christopher = (UK)
> > [mailto:chris.dearlove@baesystems.c= om]
> > Sent: 23 January 2015 10:51
> > To: Stan = Ratliff (ratliffstan@gmail.com); Justin = Dean
> (jdean@itd.nrl.navy.mil);
&g= t; > manet@ietf.org
> = > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; = Thomas Heide Clausen
> > (thomas@thomasclausen.org)> > Subject: Request WGLC of = draft-ietf-manet-tlv-naming-00
> >
> > As the subject = line says, I (on behalf of the authors) would like to
> > = request a
> WGLC
> > of this document.
> = >
> > As a reminder, this is purely an administrative matter = for IANA,
> > allowing us
> to
> > have our TLVs = named properly. It makes no difference to any existing
> = protocols.
> > We need to it order to advance = draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology.
> > I hope
> = we
> > can have a short WGLC period on this one.
> = >
> > --
> > Christopher Dearlove
> > = Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group = Communications,
> > Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE = Systems Advanced Technology
> > Centre West Hanningfield Road, = Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK
> > Tel: +44 1245 242194 |  Fax: = +44 1245 242124
> > = chris.dearlove@baesystems.c= om | http://www.baesystems.com
> >
> = > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited
> > Registered Office: = Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace
> > Centre, = Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & = Wales
> > No: 1996687
> >
> >
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