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"draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath@ietf.org" , "manet@ietf.org" , "manet-chairs@ietf.org" To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" References: <1F0A54FE-B275-4203-AC7B-347101217BEF@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-ZohoMailClient: External Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] AD Review of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-11 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:53:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_25844AAF-93E5-4D20-AAC9-ABE91709924B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Alvaro,=20 Thanks very much for the detailed review and comments.=20 We will discuss the issues raised and make a new submission.=20 regards Jiazi > On 3 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Alvaro Retana (aretana) = wrote: >=20 > Dear authors: > =20 > I just finished reading this document. In general, I think it is = relatively straight forward, but it needs several clarifications (see = below). I will start the IETF Last Call when my Major comments have = been addressed in a new version. > =20 > As other people (specially the INT Directorate) review this document, = more specific language related to the use of RFC6554 may be needed. = I=E2=80=99m inclined to go forward with the document as is (pending the = comments below) because it is Experimental. We can make further updates = if needed. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Alvaro. > =20 > =20 > Major: > =20 > M1. Section 3. (Applicability Statement): =E2=80=9CIt is interoperable = with OLSRv2 implementations that do not have this extension.=E2=80=9D I = don=E2=80=99t think that statement is true. For example, how does a = non-MP-OLSRv2 router handle a packet with the RFC6554 header in it? = IOW, strict source routing requires all the routers in the path to = support the extension. I think more clarity and specificity is needed. > =20 > =20 > M2. MAX_SRC_HOPS . Both Section 5.1. (Router Parameters) and Section = 9. (Configuration Parameters) say that =E2=80=9CFor IPv6 networks, it = MUST be set to 0, i.e., no constraint on maximum number of hops.=E2=80=9D = What about potential MTU/fragmentation issues? RFC6554 (in Section = 4.1. (Generating Source Routing Headers)) does talk about a maximum path = length. > =20 > =20 > M3. Section 6.1.1. (SOURCE_ROUTE TLV) says that each HELLO/TC message = =E2=80=9CMUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D. I read this = as meaning two things: (1) every HELLO/TC must have a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, = and (2) there must be at most one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV. What happens if = either of these conditions are not met? RFC7181 describes conditions = under which a message should be considered invalid for processing (16.3, = for example) =E2=80=93 given the language used in this section, I would = expect something similar in this document (to enhance what is already in = RFC7181). > =20 > M3.1. [minor] Section 6.1.1. (SOURCE_ROUTE TLV). =E2=80=9CMP-OLSRv2 = Routing Process, or an OLSRv2 Routing Process that supports source-route = forwarding.=E2=80=9D Specially for IPv6, can you identify a sub-set of = this specification that would be implemented by =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 = Routing Process that supports source-route forwarding=E2=80=9D? I=E2=80=99= m wondering whether that distinction even needs to be made or if you can = just assume that a manet router that supports RFC6554 also supports this = document (it does, if it originates the new TLV). > =20 > M3.2. This section also says that =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 Routing Process = MAY have one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, if the OLSRv2 Routing Process supports = source-route forwarding, and is willing to join the source route = generated by other MP-OLSRv2 Routing Processes.=E2=80=9D If the 2 = conditions are met, doesn=E2=80=99t the text become =E2=80=9CMUST have = exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D? Just pointing out that the = differentiation may not be needed=E2=80=A6and that the language is not = consistent (see above). > =20 > M3.3. =E2=80=9CThe existence of SOURCE_ROUTE TLV MUST be consistent = for a specific OLSRv2 Routing Process=E2=80=9D Simplify by adding = discard conditions. (See M3 above) > =20 > =20 > M4. Section 6.2.2. (Source Routing Header in IPv6) says that the = routing header from RFC6554 is used with IPv6 Routing Type 254 = (experimental). Why? I=E2=80=99m asking because RFC4727 says that the = experimental values =E2=80=9CMUST NOT be shipped as defaults in = implementations=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 not only do implementations exist, = but the purpose of this Experimental document is to gather experience = form real deployments. Short of asking for a new Routing Type, why = isn=E2=80=99t the one already assigned to RFC6554 used? > =20 > =20 > M5. Section 8.1. (HELLO and TC Message Generation). =E2=80=9CThe TC = message generation based on SR_TC_INTERVAL does not replace the ordinary = TC message generation specified in [RFC7181]=E2=80=A6The TC generation = based on SR_TC_INTERVAL serves for those routers to advertise = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV so that the other routers can be aware of the = source-route enabled routers so as to be used as destinations of = multipath routing. The SR_TC_INTERVAL is set to a longer value than = TC_INTERVAL.=E2=80=9D This text says that there are two intervals at = which an MP-OLSRv2 router sends TCs, but that only at SR_TC_INTERVAL = will the SOURCE_ROUTE TLV be included, is that correct? If so, then how = does a receiver reconcile that with the requirement in 6.1.1 (and in = this section) for =E2=80=9CEvery HELLO or TC message generated by a = MP-OLSRv2 Routing Process MUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV.=E2=80=9D= ?? IOW, it looks like that requirement can=E2=80=99t be met unless all = the TCs (including the ones generated every TC_INTERVAL) include the = SOURCE_ROUTING TLV.=20 > =20 > =20 > M6. Section 8.3. (MPR Selection): =E2=80=9CMP-OLSR routers SHOULD be = preferred as routing MPRs.=E2=80=9D When would it be ok for MP-OLSR = routers not to be preferred? IOW, why is =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D not = used? > =20 > =20 > M7. If the Multi-path Routing Set is maintained reactively, what = should be done with the datagram that triggered the calculation (while = it is being done)? I=E2=80=99m assuming that it should be buffered = somewhere and then forwarded, right? I=E2=80=99m also assuming that any = other datagrams to the same destination that are received while the = calculation is happening should also be buffered, true? Is there a = maximum time that this buffering should be maintained? Is there a = maximum expected size? Maybe these are questions that you may want to = answer through the experiment. Also, buffering some datagrams may open = an attack vector =E2=80=93 worth mentioning in the Security = Considerations section.=20 > =20 > M7.1. [minor] Section 4. (Protocol Overview and Functioning): =E2=80=9CT= he reactive operation is local in the router and no message transmission = delay is introduced.=E2=80=9D I think you may be referring to control = plane messages, but it sounds as if there was no delay in the = propagation of the data plane messages =E2=80=93 which by definition = need to somehow be held while the reactive calculation is completed. = Please clarify. > =20 > =20 > M8. Section 8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) says that =E2=80=9CUs= ing different multi-path algorithms will not impact the = interoperability.=E2=80=9D Using different algorithms in a network may = not impact interoperability (as the packets on the wire will be = understood by all), but it can lead to routing loops. Please clarify. > =20 > M8.1. Section 8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) describes the MP = algorithm as two incremental functions at =E2=80=9Cstep i=E2=80=9D of = the original Dijkstra algorithm. While the algorithm may be well known, = please add a reference so that there is no confusion as to what =E2=80=9Cs= tep i=E2=80=9D is.=20 > =20 > =20 > M9. The Security Considerations of RFC6554 say that the extension is = to be used only inside an RPL domain and that =E2=80=9CRPL routers MUST = drop datagrams entering or exiting a RPL routing domain that contain an = SRH in the IPv6 Extension headers.=E2=80=9D This document does mention = that =E2=80=9Cthe source routing header is used only in the current = routing domain=E2=80=9D, but it doesn=E2=80=99t explicitly talk about = what should be done with datagrams that contain the source routing = headers as they enter/leave the domain. Please include some text = similar to the one in RFC6554. Pointing to the Security Considerations = of RFC6554 would also be a good idea (to capture ICMP attacks, and = whatever else is mentioned there). > =20 > =20 > M10. IANA Considerations. Sections 12.1. (Expert Review: Evaluation = Guidelines) and 12.3. (Routing Type) are not needed as this document is = not specifying any new space that requires DE review (the assignment = should be done under DE review, but that is specified elsewhere), and = the Routing Type is already assigned by IANA. > =20 > =20 > =20 > Minor: > =20 > P1. Please include a reference for =E2=80=9Cerasure coding=E2=80=9D. > =20 > P2. Loose vs Strict Source Routing. It caught my attention that the = IPv4/IPv6 source routing modes are not the same =E2=80=93 why is that? = I note that RFC791 does support strict source routing. RFC6554 = doesn=E2=80=99t support loose source routing, but other extensions do = (draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, for example, can support both = loose and strict modes). Given that this document is Experimental, I = don=E2=80=99t think it is a show stopper, but consistency would be nice. = There=E2=80=99s also the opportunity to experiment further. > =20 > P3. You mention round-robin and weighted scheduling for path selection = (in 1.1). What about flow-based (keep all the packets in a flow on a = single path)? I=E2=80=99m wondering about this because disjoint paths = may result in significant performance characteristic differences, and = path stability (as much as possible) may be important in some cases. > =20 > P4. Section 1.1 mentions the potential use of =E2=80=9CDifferent = algorithms to obtain multiple paths=E2=80=9D. The rtgwg WG has done a = lot of work on finding alternate paths (from LFA all the way to MRT) in = the context of fast reroute =E2=80=93 these alternate paths can = obviously be used for traffic forwarding under normal conditions (not = just for repair). I=E2=80=99m wondering why those other mechanisms were = not used here? Where they even considered? [IOW, it=E2=80=99s always = nice to use other IETF-developed technology.] > =20 > P5. Please define SR-OLSRv2 in the Terminology section. > =20 > P6. The document doesn=E2=80=99t explain how SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER = should be used. Later I found (in 8.2) that =E2=80=9Csource route hold = time multiplier=E2=80=9D is defined as =E2=80=9Cthe value of a Message = TLV with Type =3D SOURCE_ROUTE=E2=80=9C, which is exactly what = SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER is. Suggestion: to avoid confusion and be = consistent, eliminate the definition of "source route hold time = multiplier" and simply use SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER. > =20 > P7. Section 8.2. (HELLO and TC Message Processing) defines "validity = time". I don=E2=80=99t think this is necessary as it has the same = meaning as in RFC7181, right? If so, then a reference to that (in the = SR_time formula) should be enough. Otherwise, you at least need a = reference to RFC5497. I=E2=80=99m making this comment because it is = easier/cleaner to use definitions by reference, than risk not using the = exact same text and have the specifications potentially diverge over = time. > =20 > P8. The definition of the Multi-path Routing Tuple in 8.5.1. = (Requirements of Multi-path Calculation) is not (exactly) the same as in = 7.2. (Multi-path Routing Set). Suggestion: put a reference to 7.1 in = 8.5.1. > =20 > P9. References: > - RFC6982 has been obsoleted by RFC7942. > - s/RFC2460/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis > =20 > =20 > =20 > Nits: > =20 > N1. s/original OLSRv2/base OLSRv2 > =20 > N2. In Section 5.1, please include a forward reference to Section = 9=E2=80=A6and in Section 6.1.1=E2=80=A6and anywhere else the parameters = are defined. > =20 > N3. s/existed/existing > =20 > N4. s/MP-OLSR/MP-OLSRv2 > =20 > N5. In 8.4 s/they are/there are > =20 > N6. s/the the/the > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet = --Apple-Mail=_25844AAF-93E5-4D20-AAC9-ABE91709924B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear Alvaro, 

Thanks very much for the detailed = review and comments. 

We will discuss the issues raised and make a new = submission. 

regards

Jiazi


On = 3 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> = wrote:

Dear authors:
 
I just finished reading this = document.   In general, I think it is relatively straight = forward, but it needs several clarifications (see below).  I will = start the IETF Last Call when my Major comments have been addressed in a = new version.
 
As other people (specially the INT = Directorate) review this document, more specific language related to the = use of RFC6554 may be needed.  I=E2=80=99m inclined to go forward = with the document as is (pending the comments below) because it is = Experimental.  We can make further updates if needed.
 
Thanks!
 
Alvaro.
 
 
Major:
 
M1. Section 3. (Applicability = Statement): =E2=80=9CIt is interoperable with OLSRv2 implementations = that do not have this extension.=E2=80=9D  I don=E2=80=99t think = that statement is true.  For example, how does a non-MP-OLSRv2 = router handle a packet with the RFC6554 header in it?  IOW, strict = source routing requires all the routers in the path to support the = extension.  I think more clarity and specificity is needed.
 
 
M2. MAX_SRC_HOPS .  Both = Section 5.1. (Router Parameters) and Section 9. (Configuration = Parameters) say that =E2=80=9CFor IPv6 networks, it MUST be set to 0, = i.e., no constraint on maximum number of hops.=E2=80=9D  What about = potential MTU/fragmentation issues?  RFC6554 (in Section 4.1. = (Generating Source Routing Headers)) does talk about a maximum path = length.
 
 
M3. Section 6.1.1. (SOURCE_ROUTE = TLV) says that each HELLO/TC message =E2=80=9CMUST have exactly one = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D.  I read this as meaning two things: (1) = every HELLO/TC must have a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, and (2) there must be at = most one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV.  What happens if either of these = conditions are not met?   RFC7181 describes conditions under = which a message should be considered invalid for processing (16.3, for = example) =E2=80=93 given the language used in this section, I would = expect something similar in this document (to enhance what is already in = RFC7181).
 
M3.1. [minor] Section 6.1.1. = (SOURCE_ROUTE TLV). =E2=80=9CMP-OLSRv2 Routing Process, or an OLSRv2 = Routing Process that supports source-route forwarding.=E2=80=9D  = Specially for IPv6, can you identify a sub-set of this specification = that would be implemented by =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 Routing Process that = supports source-route forwarding=E2=80=9D?  I=E2=80=99m wondering = whether that distinction even needs to be made or if you can just assume = that a manet router that supports RFC6554 also supports this document = (it does, if it originates the new TLV).
 
M3.2. This section also says that = =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 Routing Process MAY have one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, if the = OLSRv2 Routing Process supports source-route forwarding, and is willing = to join the source route generated by other MP-OLSRv2 Routing = Processes.=E2=80=9D  If the 2 conditions are met, doesn=E2=80=99t = the text become =E2=80=9CMUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE = TLV=E2=80=9D?   Just pointing out that the differentiation may = not be needed=E2=80=A6and that the language is not consistent (see = above).
 
M3.3. =E2=80=9CThe existence of = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV MUST be consistent for a specific OLSRv2 Routing = Process=E2=80=9D  Simplify by adding discard conditions. (See M3 = above)
 
 
M4. Section 6.2.2. (Source Routing = Header in IPv6) says that the routing header from RFC6554 is used with = IPv6 Routing Type 254 (experimental).  Why?   I=E2=80=99m = asking because RFC4727 says that the experimental values =E2=80=9CMUST = NOT be shipped as defaults in implementations=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 not = only do implementations exist, but the purpose of this Experimental = document is to gather experience form real deployments.  Short of = asking for a new Routing Type, why isn=E2=80=99t the one already = assigned to RFC6554 used?
 
 
M5. Section 8.1. (HELLO and TC = Message Generation).  =E2=80=9CThe TC message generation based on = SR_TC_INTERVAL does not replace the ordinary TC message generation = specified in [RFC7181]=E2=80=A6The TC generation based on SR_TC_INTERVAL = serves for those routers to advertise SOURCE_ROUTE TLV so that the other = routers can be aware of the source-route enabled routers so as to be = used as destinations of multipath routing.  The SR_TC_INTERVAL is = set to a longer value than TC_INTERVAL.=E2=80=9D  This text says = that there are two intervals at which an MP-OLSRv2 router sends TCs, but = that only at SR_TC_INTERVAL will the SOURCE_ROUTE TLV be included, is = that correct?  If so, then how does a receiver reconcile that with = the requirement in 6.1.1 (and in this section) for =E2=80=9CEvery HELLO = or TC message generated by a MP-OLSRv2 Routing Process MUST have exactly = one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV.=E2=80=9D??  IOW, it looks like that = requirement can=E2=80=99t be met unless all the TCs (including the ones = generated every TC_INTERVAL) include the SOURCE_ROUTING TLV. 
 
 
M6. Section 8.3. (MPR Selection): = =E2=80=9CMP-OLSR routers SHOULD be preferred as routing MPRs.=E2=80=9D&nbs= p; When would it be ok for MP-OLSR routers not to be preferred?  = IOW, why is =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D not used?
 
 
M7. If the =
Multi-path Routing Set is maintained reactively, what should be done =
with the datagram that triggered the calculation (while it is being =
done)?  I=E2=80=99m assuming that it should be buffered somewhere =
and then forwarded, right?  I=E2=80=99m also assuming that any =
other datagrams to the same destination that are received while the =
calculation is happening should also be buffered, true?  Is there a =
maximum time that this buffering should be maintained?  Is there a =
maximum expected size?  Maybe these are questions that you may want =
to answer through the experiment.  Also, buffering some datagrams =
may open an attack vector =E2=80=93 worth mentioning in the Security =
Considerations section. 
 
M7.1. [minor] Section 4. (Protocol Overview and =
Functioning): =E2=80=9CThe reactive operation is local in the router and =
no message transmission delay is introduced.=E2=80=9D  I think you =
may be referring to control plane messages, but it sounds as if there =
was no delay in the propagation of the data plane messages =E2=80=93 =
which by definition need to somehow be held while the reactive =
calculation is completed.  Please clarify.
 
 
M8. Section =
8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) says that =E2=80=9CUsing =
different multi-path algorithms will not impact the =
interoperability.=E2=80=9D  Using different algorithms in a network =
may not impact interoperability (as the packets on the wire will be =
understood by all), but it can lead to routing loops.  Please =
clarify.
 
M8.1. =
Section 8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) describes the MP =
algorithm as two incremental functions at =E2=80=9Cstep i=E2=80=9D of =
the original Dijkstra algorithm.  While the algorithm may be well =
known, please add a reference so that there is no confusion as to what =
=E2=80=9Cstep i=E2=80=9D is. 
 
 
M9. The Security Considerations of RFC6554 say that =
the extension is to be used only inside an RPL domain and that =E2=80=9CRP=
L routers MUST drop datagrams entering or exiting a RPL routing domain =
that contain an SRH in the IPv6 Extension headers.=E2=80=9D  This =
document does mention that =E2=80=9Cthe source routing header is used =
only in the current routing domain=E2=80=9D, but it doesn=E2=80=99t =
explicitly talk about what should be done with datagrams that contain =
the source routing headers as they enter/leave the domain.  Please =
include some text similar to the one in RFC6554.  Pointing to the =
Security Considerations of RFC6554 would also be a good idea (to capture =
ICMP attacks, and whatever else is mentioned there).
 
 
M10. IANA =
Considerations.  Sections 12.1. (Expert Review: Evaluation =
Guidelines) and 12.3. (Routing Type) are not needed as this document is =
not specifying any new space that requires DE review (the assignment =
should be done under DE review, but that is specified elsewhere), and =
the Routing Type is already assigned by IANA.
 
 
 
Minor:
 
P1. Please =
include a reference for =E2=80=9Cerasure coding=E2=80=9D.
 
P2. Loose vs =
Strict Source Routing.  It caught my attention that the IPv4/IPv6 =
source routing modes are not the same =E2=80=93 why is that?  I =
note that RFC791 does support strict source routing.  RFC6554 =
doesn=E2=80=99t support loose source routing, but other extensions do =
(draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, for example, can support both =
loose and strict modes).  Given that this document is Experimental, =
I don=E2=80=99t think it is a show stopper, but consistency would be =
nice.  There=E2=80=99s also the opportunity to experiment =
further.
 
P3. You =
mention round-robin and weighted scheduling for path selection (in =
1.1).  What about flow-based (keep all the packets in a flow on a =
single path)?  I=E2=80=99m wondering about this because disjoint =
paths may result in significant performance characteristic differences, =
and path stability (as much as possible) may be important in some =
cases.
 
P4. Section =
1.1 mentions the potential use of =E2=80=9CDifferent algorithms to =
obtain multiple paths=E2=80=9D.  The rtgwg WG has done a lot of =
work on finding alternate paths (from LFA all the way to MRT) in the =
context of fast reroute =E2=80=93 these alternate paths can obviously be =
used for traffic forwarding under normal conditions (not just for =
repair).  I=E2=80=99m wondering why those other mechanisms were not =
used here?  Where they even considered?  [IOW, it=E2=80=99s =
always nice to use other IETF-developed technology.]
 
P5. Please =
define SR-OLSRv2 in the Terminology section.
 
P6. The =
document doesn=E2=80=99t explain how SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER should be =
used.  Later I found (in 8.2) that =E2=80=9Csource route hold time =
multiplier=E2=80=9D is defined as =E2=80=9Cthe value of a Message TLV =
with Type =3D SOURCE_ROUTE=E2=80=9C, which is exactly what =
SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER is.  Suggestion: to avoid confusion and be =
consistent, eliminate the definition of "source route hold time =
multiplier" and simply use SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER.
 
P7. Section =
8.2. (HELLO and TC Message Processing) defines "validity time".  I =
don=E2=80=99t think this is necessary as it has the same meaning as in =
RFC7181, right?  If so, then a reference to that (in the SR_time =
formula) should be enough.  Otherwise, you at least need a =
reference to RFC5497.  I=E2=80=99m making this comment because it =
is easier/cleaner to use definitions by reference, than risk not using =
the exact same text and have the specifications potentially diverge over =
time.
 
P8. The =
definition of the Multi-path Routing Tuple in 8.5.1. (Requirements of =
Multi-path Calculation) is not (exactly) the same as in 7.2. (Multi-path =
Routing Set).  Suggestion: put a reference to 7.1 in 8.5.1.
 
P9. =
References:
- RFC6982 has been obsoleted by RFC7942.
- =
s/RFC2460/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis
 
 
 
Nits:
 
N1. =
s/original OLSRv2/base OLSRv2
 
N2. In Section 5.1, please include a forward =
reference to Section 9=E2=80=A6and in Section 6.1.1=E2=80=A6and anywhere =
else the parameters are defined.
 
N3. s/existed/existing
 
N4. =
s/MP-OLSR/MP-OLSRv2
 
N5. In 8.4 s/they are/there are
 
N6. s/the =
the/the
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(UK)" References: <1F0A54FE-B275-4203-AC7B-347101217BEF@cisco.com> <074CDBF6-9515-4163-A5AD-B4C85950F667@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-ZohoMailClient: External Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] AD Review of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-11 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 15:20:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A63BBC8C-BC90-4141-B914-557E2AF788F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi,=20 > On 4 Apr 2017, at 17:01, Alvaro Retana (aretana) = wrote: >=20 > On 4/4/17, 4:46 AM, "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" = > = wrote: > =20 > Christopher: > =20 > Hi! > =20 > > MPRs in OLSRv2, and its derivatives, can be selected by any = algorithm that meets certain > > conditions. It doesn=E2=80=99t need to be the same in every router. = Thus the selection algorithm is not > > an interoperability issue, and thus doesn=E2=80=99t rate a MUST. But = there can be very good > > suggestions that meet the =E2=80=9Cdo this unless you know a good = reason why you aren=E2=80=99t doing it=E2=80=9D > > which is the usual fit to a SHOULD. I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s= necessary to know exactly when you > > might not follow it, but indicating why this is good advice would be = a good thing. >=20 > Yes, good point. =20 > =20 > One of the reasons I made the comment is that the text talks about = giving preference, and not the selection itself: =E2=80=9CMP-OLSR = routers SHOULD be preferred as routing MPRs=E2=80=9D (from 8.3).=20 Yes. As =E2=80=9Cpreferred=E2=80=9D is something optional already, using = a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D before it is a bit odd for me.=20 > Of course, the language in rfc7181 uses =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 = Explaining why it is a good idea, being explicit on what should be = done, or consistent with rfc7181 are all good options. Agree. We will add something like =E2=80=9CSHOULD be preferred =E2=80=A6 = to increase the possibility of finding disjoint paths using MP-OLSR = routers=E2=80=9D.=20 thanks for the comments regards Jiazi > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Alvaro. --Apple-Mail=_A63BBC8C-BC90-4141-B914-557E2AF788F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi, 


On 4 Apr 2017, at 17:01, Alvaro Retana = (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

On = 4/4/17, 4:46 AM, "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> wrote:
 
Christopher:
 
Hi!
 
> MPRs in OLSRv2, and its derivatives, can be = selected by any algorithm that meets certain
> conditions. It doesn=E2=80=99t need to be the = same in every router. Thus the selection algorithm is not
> an interoperability issue, and thus doesn=E2=80=99t= rate a MUST. But there can be very good
> suggestions that meet the =E2=80=9Cdo this unless = you know a good reason why you aren=E2=80=99t doing it=E2=80=9D
> which is the usual fit to a SHOULD. I don=E2=80=99t= think it=E2=80=99s necessary to know exactly when you
> might not follow it, but indicating why this is = good advice would be a good thing.

Yes, good point.  
 
One of the reasons I made the comment is that the text talks = about giving preference, and not the selection itself: =E2=80=9CMP-OLSR = routers SHOULD be preferred as routing MPRs=E2=80=9D (from = 8.3). 

Yes. As =E2=80=9Cpreferred=E2=80=9D is something = optional already, using a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D before it is a bit odd = for me. 

Of course, the language in = rfc7181 uses =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6  Explaining why it is a = good idea, being explicit on what should be done, or consistent with = rfc7181 are all good = options.

Agree. We will add something like =E2=80=9CSHOULD = be preferred =E2=80=A6   to increase the possibility of finding = disjoint paths using MP-OLSR routers=E2=80=9D. 

thanks for the comments

regards

Jiazi

 
Thanks!
 
Alvaro.

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This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks of the IETF. Title : Rules For Designing Protocols Using the RFC 5444 Generalized Packet/ Message Format Authors : Thomas Clausen Christopher Dearlove Ulrich Herberg Henning Rogge Filename : draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2017-04-12 Abstract: RFC 5444 specifies a generalized MANET packet/message format and describes an intended use to multiplex MANET routing protocol messages that is mandated for use on the port/protocol specified by RFC 5498. This document updates RFC 5444 by providing rules and recommendations for how the multiplexer operates and how protocols can use the packet/message format. In particular, the mandatory rules prohibit a number of uses that have been suggested in various proposals, and which would have led to interoperability problems, to the impediment of protocol extension development, and to an inability to use optional generic parsers. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Apr 13 01:26:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC221317D6; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z8dDfe0iep1b; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C9E01317DC; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id p68so42475824qke.1; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=K3M5Z6X/KHzudiFM1EujwWrkGhz8KLdvjHRbKnz1ZGc=; b=EV+upSYgOqEOmOvCYVJ2cTSg0RA6FOBpuDC9sSOHTUjF1L57tnkUpVhxXb8Nq3NyLS DayIknSNKaApdiSlvdCB29yY1BEqM5xpwwapKI2QAT5iyNRtG1uh4bsaagWy29ixV41r 48cqtcGbUBK60ooA92j/vBkncd9Dmfq/WLhlPueGeIg2DrSVS5a+BSgOKFYcUyT4D9Wy PsDIpOGzhFULvsm31KyvWggaFmuBCfyLqzFu581M7VD4yVJM5/zBmpsjJNAuLgSimty3 fPbSDKM0Usym4U4kzigMdP68wsebsuFg5KPEDAS2vbc9KHmuL52EEUP9qp3X14WjmbpO N/gQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=K3M5Z6X/KHzudiFM1EujwWrkGhz8KLdvjHRbKnz1ZGc=; b=kf5fCcLeQs61gZUNmvx4yHjbZ6nB2CTBKwO6CoJsTOQlNQswCmENPEktI3X0ODCfeS R7zpP6xrzbG8ge6gQvKN5CFX7LyZi2qOVxtHS1ZziBub1K1XDKm0fiy+fRx2hfdEzWDh unuJ+54fkm3VZcmmDAsVaBr6/xbNTD8mrIwf9f4FV6NJ5kz1SUJQl4U3wWeTgiIPE0Q1 rzmNu6rtF8dT5Gq3efwc80y0kr1eRDh5wVLBaXOmjm28GoEvPWjANdFyktJAqvUkmZ08 7LezVvXR6JABfqyuJW9YS+Vh8vZRmkwjgMgNaqqNZKbTuAj0PLbwalDzuOY/eqalWSg2 V1VA== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/7uPeCpJE7UXmnANeeklY+3pEJlhw2U8nykF09pBf5UQQ+8HLOL 44NzycBp1e7tcO+SNovTx05K1D9yEawz X-Received: by 10.55.24.219 with SMTP id 88mr1493702qky.249.1492071962649; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:26:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.31.71 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:26:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <149199244580.15779.614148265390756412@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <149199244580.15779.614148265390756412@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 10:26:02 +0200 Message-ID: To: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" Cc: i-d-announce@ietf.org, manet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113b8640502dd6054d08134c Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:26:06 -0000 --001a113b8640502dd6054d08134c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The draft is proposed standard, so it needs to include security considerations. Why we read? This document does not specify a protocol, but provides rules and recommendations for how to design protocols using [RFC5444], whose security considerations apply. The rules are for protocols, so it means that we need to discuss in this section the implications of such rules for such protocols, therefore, this draft is specifying important-part of protocols. IMHO, It is wrong to say in this draft that this document does not specify a protocol, while it is a proposed standard and specifying rules of protocols using an RFC which is also a standard. AB On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:20 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks of the IETF. > > Title : Rules For Designing Protocols Using the RFC 5444 > Generalized Packet/ Message Format > Authors : Thomas Clausen > Christopher Dearlove > Ulrich Herberg > Henning Rogge > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2017-04-12 > > Abstract: > RFC 5444 specifies a generalized MANET packet/message format and > describes an intended use to multiplex MANET routing protocol > messages that is mandated for use on the port/protocol specified by > RFC 5498. This document updates RFC 5444 by providing rules and > recommendations for how the multiplexer operates and how protocols > can use the packet/message format. In particular, the mandatory > rules prohibit a number of uses that have been suggested in various > proposals, and which would have led to interoperability problems, to > the impediment of protocol extension development, and to an inability > to use optional generic parsers. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > --001a113b8640502dd6054d08134c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The draft is proposed standard, so it needs to includ= e security considerations.

Why we read?

This document does not specify a protocol, but provides rules a= nd

recommendations for how to design protocols using = [RFC5444], whose

security considerations apply.

The rules are for protocols, = so it means that we need to discuss in this section the implications of suc= h rules for such protocols, therefore, this draft is specifying important-p= art of protocols. IMHO, It is wrong to say in this draft that this document= does not specify a protocol, while it is a proposed standard and specifyin= g rules of protocols using an RFC which is also a standard.


AB


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1= 2:20 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Rules For Designing Protocols Using the RFC 5444 Generalized Packet/ Messa= ge Format
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Thom= as Clausen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Christopher Dearlove
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ulrich Herberg
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henning Rogge
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-manet-rfc5444-usage-05.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 26
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-04-12

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC 5444 specifies a generalized MANET packet/message format a= nd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0describes an intended use to multiplex MANET routing protocol<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0messages that is mandated for use on the port/protocol specifi= ed by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC 5498.=C2=A0 This document updates RFC 5444 by providing ru= les and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0recommendations for how the multiplexer operates and how proto= cols
=C2=A0 =C2=A0can use the packet/message format.=C2=A0 In particular, the ma= ndatory
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rules prohibit a number of uses that have been suggested in va= rious
=C2=A0 =C2=A0proposals, and which would have led to interoperability proble= ms, to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the impediment of protocol extension development, and to an in= ability
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to use optional generic parsers.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05
https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-manet-rfc5444-usage-05


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--001a113b8640502dd6054d08134c-- From nobody Wed Apr 19 08:37:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietf.org Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4397E129B02; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: manet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149261623623.19329.5174224850009400586@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:37:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-12.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:37:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks of the IETF. Title : Multi-path Extension for the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2) Authors : Jiazi Yi Benoit Parrein Filename : draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-12.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-04-19 Abstract: This document specifies a multi-path extension for the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2) to discover multiple disjoint paths, so as to improve reliability of the OLSRv2 protocol. The interoperability with OLSRv2 is retained. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Apr 19 08:43:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57533129AF2; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=jiaziyi.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kXzvuckLrXrI; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender-of-o52.zoho.com (sender-of-o52.zoho.com [135.84.80.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE608128BBB; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:43:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1492616579; s=jiazi; d=jiaziyi.com; i=jiazi@jiaziyi.com; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; l=80110; bh=zXt58jDHSfmN/jN3jSAf8aC3PleVis/sj1HEg+FwJUY=; b=lzrFckaIPIPWP+4z8f6HzpVSjZ/iCIRtODmmS6N8KIZR9wApVhCDXtBw+CkMwUsC INVd1UaC+O6yjCksPFRja8ngv+xNShACmzE8TMEZ7438jLrjucR6tYlBwBcz93X9bCe Tn6GqO74aUHPZL+KxwcN+l3/ZLRXYAjfgjNtlFmk= Received: from [129.104.72.152] (129.104.72.152 [129.104.72.152]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1492616579123840.9936743936336; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jiazi Yi Message-Id: <6BE8ABAF-6672-4994-AFD3-1FA0BA9B865E@jiaziyi.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4AE8DE52-C264-4374-9AB1-9774CD195AE2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:42:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1F0A54FE-B275-4203-AC7B-347101217BEF@cisco.com> Cc: "draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath@ietf.org" , "manet-chairs@ietf.org" , Stan Ratliff , "manet@ietf.org" To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" References: <1F0A54FE-B275-4203-AC7B-347101217BEF@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-ZohoMailClient: External Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] AD Review of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-11 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:43:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4AE8DE52-C264-4374-9AB1-9774CD195AE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Alvaro,=20 Firstly, we appreciate your detailed and valuable review, which = certainly helps us improving the document a lot =E2=80=94 thanks a ton! Based on your comments, we updated the draft and submitted a new = revision:=20 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-12 = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-12 = = For your convenience to trace the modifications, please find also our = reply to your comments below.=20 We are looking forward to your further comments and instructions.=20 > On 3 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Alvaro Retana (aretana) > wrote: >=20 > Dear authors: > =20 > I just finished reading this document. In general, I think it is = relatively straight forward, but it needs several clarifications (see = below). I will start the IETF Last Call when my Major comments have = been addressed in a new version. > =20 > As other people (specially the INT Directorate) review this document, = more specific language related to the use of RFC6554 may be needed. = I=E2=80=99m inclined to go forward with the document as is (pending the = comments below) because it is Experimental. We can make further updates = if needed. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Alvaro. > =20 > =20 > Major: > =20 > M1. Section 3. (Applicability Statement): =E2=80=9CIt is interoperable = with OLSRv2 implementations that do not have this extension.=E2=80=9D I = don=E2=80=99t think that statement is true. For example, how does a = non-MP-OLSRv2 router handle a packet with the RFC6554 header in it? = IOW, strict source routing requires all the routers in the path to = support the extension. I think more clarity and specificity is needed. This is considered in the draft: the source-routing supported routers = can identify themselves by carrying a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV in their routing = messages. When the paths are calculated, as stated in the draft: For IPv6 networks, as strict source routing is used, only the routers that exist in SR-OLSRv2 Router Set are considered in the path calculation, i.e., only the source-routing supported routers can exist in the path. so the non-MP-OLSRv2 routers won=E2=80=99t be considered in the first = place. We further clarified in the applicability statement with the = following text:=20 It is interoperable with OLSRv2 implementations that do not have this = extension: as the MP-OLSRv2 uses source routing, in IPv4 networks the = interoperability is achieved by using loose source routing header; in = IPv6 networks, it is achieved by eliminating routers that do not support = IPv6 strict source routing.=20 > =20 > M2. MAX_SRC_HOPS . Both Section 5.1. (Router Parameters) and Section = 9. (Configuration Parameters) say that =E2=80=9CFor IPv6 networks, it = MUST be set to 0, i.e., no constraint on maximum number of hops.=E2=80=9D = What about potential MTU/fragmentation issues? RFC6554 (in Section = 4.1. (Generating Source Routing Headers)) does talk about a maximum path = length. We added some text considering the MTU issue: It is RECOMMENDED to use MTU sizes considering the source routing header = to avoid fragmentation. Depending on the size of the routing domain, the = MTU should be at least 1280 + 40 (for outer IP header) + 16 * diameter = of the network in number of hops (for source routing header). If the = links in the network have different MTU sizes, by using technologies = like Path MTU Discovery, the routers are able to be aware of the MTU = along the path. The size of the datagram plus the size of IP headers = (including the source routing header) SHOULD NOT exceed the minimum MTU = along the path. > =20 > M3. Section 6.1.1. (SOURCE_ROUTE TLV) says that each HELLO/TC message = =E2=80=9CMUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D. I read this = as meaning two things: (1) every HELLO/TC must have a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, = and (2) there must be at most one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV. What happens if = either of these conditions are not met? RFC7181 describes conditions = under which a message should be considered invalid for processing (16.3, = for example) =E2=80=93 given the language used in this section, I would = expect something similar in this document (to enhance what is already in = RFC7181). If the HELLO/TC doesn=E2=80=99t have a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, it means that = it=E2=80=99s the same as normal OLSRv2 generated messages. Then the = originator won=E2=80=99t be treated as source-route supported routers, = which means it has less possibility being chosen as MPRs, and it won=E2=80= =99t be able to be used in IPv6 strict source routing.=20 We added the invalide term as: In addition to the reasons specified in for discarding a HELLO message or a TC message on = reception, a HELLO or TC message received MUST be discarded if it has = more than one Message TLV with Type =3D SOURCE_ROUTE.=20 > =20 > M3.1. [minor] Section 6.1.1. (SOURCE_ROUTE TLV). =E2=80=9CMP-OLSRv2 = Routing Process, or an OLSRv2 Routing Process that supports source-route = forwarding.=E2=80=9D Specially for IPv6, can you identify a sub-set of = this specification that would be implemented by =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 = Routing Process that supports source-route forwarding=E2=80=9D? I=E2=80=99= m wondering whether that distinction even needs to be made or if you can = just assume that a manet router that supports RFC6554 also supports this = document (it does, if it originates the new TLV). I remember we had such discussion in the manet mailing list (with = Justin?). The purpose is to have better flexibility and deployability of = the protocol: I think it=E2=80=99s easier to convince an operator to = support a standard track source routing document, than deploying an = experimental function. Furthermore, the MP-OLSR has a reactive part in = path calculation, which might be a bit tricky in some platforms, while = the RFC6554 is quite standard.=20 > =20 > M3.2. This section also says that =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 Routing Process = MAY have one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, if the OLSRv2 Routing Process supports = source-route forwarding, and is willing to join the source route = generated by other MP-OLSRv2 Routing Processes.=E2=80=9D If the 2 = conditions are met, doesn=E2=80=99t the text become =E2=80=9CMUST have = exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D? Just pointing out that the = differentiation may not be needed=E2=80=A6and that the language is not = consistent (see above). Agree. Changed to "MUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D.=20 > =20 > M3.3. =E2=80=9CThe existence of SOURCE_ROUTE TLV MUST be consistent = for a specific OLSRv2 Routing Process=E2=80=9D Simplify by adding = discard conditions. (See M3 above) Resolved =E2=80=94 see reply to M3 above.=20 > M4. Section 6.2.2. (Source Routing Header in IPv6) says that the = routing header from RFC6554 is used with IPv6 Routing Type 254 = (experimental). Why? I=E2=80=99m asking because RFC4727 says that the = experimental values =E2=80=9CMUST NOT be shipped as defaults in = implementations=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 not only do implementations exist, = but the purpose of this Experimental document is to gather experience = form real deployments. Short of asking for a new Routing Type, why = isn=E2=80=99t the one already assigned to RFC6554 used? Ah, I didn=E2=80=99t know that text in RFC4727 before. I asked such = question to one of the 6man co-chairs, Ole, and he suggested using such = experimental code point = (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/YcpyzC4T3VUVEsEN_YgyizN4pBo = )= =20 Now we are using the routing type used by RFC6554.=20 > =20 > =20 > M5. Section 8.1. (HELLO and TC Message Generation). =E2=80=9CThe TC = message generation based on SR_TC_INTERVAL does not replace the ordinary = TC message generation specified in [RFC7181]=E2=80=A6The TC generation = based on SR_TC_INTERVAL serves for those routers to advertise = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV so that the other routers can be aware of the = source-route enabled routers so as to be used as destinations of = multipath routing. The SR_TC_INTERVAL is set to a longer value than = TC_INTERVAL.=E2=80=9D This text says that there are two intervals at = which an MP-OLSRv2 router sends TCs, but that only at SR_TC_INTERVAL = will the SOURCE_ROUTE TLV be included, is that correct? If so, then how = does a receiver reconcile that with the requirement in 6.1.1 (and in = this section) for =E2=80=9CEvery HELLO or TC message generated by a = MP-OLSRv2 Routing Process MUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV.=E2=80=9D= ?? IOW, it looks like that requirement can=E2=80=99t be met unless all = the TCs (including the ones generated every TC_INTERVAL) include the = SOURCE_ROUTING TLV.=20 Yes, all the TCs must include the SOURCE_ROUTING TLV.=20 We made the text more explicit.=20 > =20 > =20 > M6. Section 8.3. (MPR Selection): =E2=80=9CMP-OLSR routers SHOULD be = preferred as routing MPRs.=E2=80=9D When would it be ok for MP-OLSR = routers not to be preferred? IOW, why is =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D not = used? Already discussed in = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg19414.html = > =20 > =20 > M7. If the Multi-path Routing Set is maintained reactively, what = should be done with the datagram that triggered the calculation (while = it is being done)? I=E2=80=99m assuming that it should be buffered = somewhere and then forwarded, right?=20 Yes > I=E2=80=99m also assuming that any other datagrams to the same = destination that are received while the calculation is happening should = also be buffered, true?=20 > Is there a maximum time that this buffering should be maintained? Is = there a maximum expected size?=20 In our current implementations for field tests and simulations, no = buffer is used because the time spent to calculate the paths is trivial = (the paths are either returned almost instantly, or no path at all). In = more complex scenarios with high data rate and large number of nodes, a = buffer would be needed.=20 > Maybe these are questions that you may want to answer through the = experiment. Also, buffering some datagrams may open an attack vector = =E2=80=93 worth mentioning in the Security Considerations section.=20 Yes, very good points. We added some text in the =E2=80=9Csecurity = consideration=E2=80=9D section:=20 If the multiple paths are calculated reactively, the datagrams SHOULD be = buffered while the paths are being calculated. Because the path = calculation is local and no control message is exchanged, the buffering = time should be trivial. However, depending on the CPU power and memory = of the router, a maximum buffer size SHOULD be set to avoid occupying = too much memory of the router. When the buffer is full, the ancient = datagrams are dropped. A possible attack that a malicious application = could launch is that, it initiates large amount of datagrams to all the = other routers in the network, thus triggering path calculation to all = the other routers and during which, the datagrams are buffered. This = might flush other legitimate datagrams. But the impact of the attack is = transient: once the path calculation is finished, the datagrams are = forwarded and the buffer goes back to empty. > =20 > M7.1. [minor] Section 4. (Protocol Overview and Functioning): =E2=80=9CT= he reactive operation is local in the router and no message transmission = delay is introduced.=E2=80=9D I think you may be referring to control = plane messages, but it sounds as if there was no delay in the = propagation of the data plane messages =E2=80=93 which by definition = need to somehow be held while the reactive calculation is completed. = Please clarify. Yes. We now put "no additional routing control messages exchange is = required=E2=80=9D.=20 > =20 > =20 > M8. Section 8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) says that =E2=80=9CUs= ing different multi-path algorithms will not impact the = interoperability.=E2=80=9D Using different algorithms in a network may = not impact interoperability (as the packets on the wire will be = understood by all), but it can lead to routing loops. Please clarify. Because the path is decided only by the originator, using different = multi-path algorithms in different routers won=E2=80=99t be a problem.=20= > =20 > M8.1. Section 8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) describes the MP = algorithm as two incremental functions at =E2=80=9Cstep i=E2=80=9D of = the original Dijkstra algorithm. While the algorithm may be well known, = please add a reference so that there is no confusion as to what =E2=80=9Cs= tep i=E2=80=9D is.=20 Done.=20 > =20 > =20 > M9. The Security Considerations of RFC6554 say that the extension is = to be used only inside an RPL domain and that =E2=80=9CRPL routers MUST = drop datagrams entering or exiting a RPL routing domain that contain an = SRH in the IPv6 Extension headers.=E2=80=9D This document does mention = that =E2=80=9Cthe source routing header is used only in the current = routing domain=E2=80=9D, but it doesn=E2=80=99t explicitly talk about = what should be done with datagrams that contain the source routing = headers as they enter/leave the domain. Please include some text = similar to the one in RFC6554. Pointing to the Security Considerations = of RFC6554 would also be a good idea (to capture ICMP attacks, and = whatever else is mentioned there). Done.=20 > =20 > =20 > M10. IANA Considerations. Sections 12.1. (Expert Review: Evaluation = Guidelines) and 12.3. (Routing Type) are not needed as this document is = not specifying any new space that requires DE review (the assignment = should be done under DE review, but that is specified elsewhere), and = the Routing Type is already assigned by IANA. Removed.=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Minor: > =20 > P1. Please include a reference for =E2=80=9Cerasure coding=E2=80=9D. Done. > =20 > P2. Loose vs Strict Source Routing. It caught my attention that the = IPv4/IPv6 source routing modes are not the same =E2=80=93 why is that? = I note that RFC791 does support strict source routing. RFC6554 = doesn=E2=80=99t support loose source routing, but other extensions do = (draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, for example, can support both = loose and strict modes). Given that this document is Experimental, I = don=E2=80=99t think it is a show stopper, but consistency would be nice. = There=E2=80=99s also the opportunity to experiment further. In IPv4, the loose source routing is used because there is a limitation = on the length of the header.=20 It is very good point that it would be interesting to experiment with = the loose mode in IPv6, as you indicated. We added some text for = experiments based on draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header:=20 =E2=80=A2 Use of IPv6 loose source routing. In the current = specification, only strict source routing is used for IPv6 based on = [RFC6554]. In [I=E2=80=91D.ietf=E2=80=916man=E2=80=91segment=E2=80=91routi= ng=E2=80=91header], the use of loose source routing is also proposed in = IPv6. In scenarios where the length of the source routing header is = critical, the loose source routing can be considered. > =20 > P3. You mention round-robin and weighted scheduling for path selection = (in 1.1). What about flow-based (keep all the packets in a flow on a = single path)? I=E2=80=99m wondering about this because disjoint paths = may result in significant performance characteristic differences, and = path stability (as much as possible) may be important in some cases. In fact, the flow-based is a different approach compared to the one that = we proposed. Based on our tests and simulations, using disjoint paths = simultaneously could improve the overall performance. Of course, we also = noticed the issues that you mentioned, and put the following text as = part of the experiments:=20 =E2=80=A2 The impacts of the delay variation due to multi-path = routing. [RFC2991] brings out some concerns of multi-path routing, = especially variable latencies. Although current experiment results show = that multi-path routing can reduce the jitter in dynamic scenarios, some = transport protocols or applications may be sensitive to the datagram = re-ordering. > =20 > P4. Section 1.1 mentions the potential use of =E2=80=9CDifferent = algorithms to obtain multiple paths=E2=80=9D. The rtgwg WG has done a = lot of work on finding alternate paths (from LFA all the way to MRT) in = the context of fast reroute =E2=80=93 these alternate paths can = obviously be used for traffic forwarding under normal conditions (not = just for repair). I=E2=80=99m wondering why those other mechanisms were = not used here? Where they even considered? [IOW, it=E2=80=99s always = nice to use other IETF-developed technology.] As mentioned in the previous reply, the purpose is not discovering = alternate path for fast reroute, but using parallel paths to improve the = reliability and take benefit of multiple description coding.=20 > =20 > P5. Please define SR-OLSRv2 in the Terminology section. Done.=20 > P6. The document doesn=E2=80=99t explain how SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER = should be used. Later I found (in 8.2) that =E2=80=9Csource route hold = time multiplier=E2=80=9D is defined as =E2=80=9Cthe value of a Message = TLV with Type =3D SOURCE_ROUTE=E2=80=9C, which is exactly what = SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER is. Suggestion: to avoid confusion and be = consistent, eliminate the definition of "source route hold time = multiplier" and simply use SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER. Yes, good catch. Fixed.=20 > =20 > P7. Section 8.2. (HELLO and TC Message Processing) defines "validity = time". I don=E2=80=99t think this is necessary as it has the same = meaning as in RFC7181, right? If so, then a reference to that (in the = SR_time formula) should be enough. Otherwise, you at least need a = reference to RFC5497. I=E2=80=99m making this comment because it is = easier/cleaner to use definitions by reference, than risk not using the = exact same text and have the specifications potentially diverge over = time. Agree. We put a reference to RFC7181.=20 > =20 > P8. The definition of the Multi-path Routing Tuple in 8.5.1. = (Requirements of Multi-path Calculation) is not (exactly) the same as in = 7.2. (Multi-path Routing Set). Suggestion: put a reference to 7.1 in = 8.5.1. Done.=20 > =20 > P9. References: > - RFC6982 has been obsoleted by RFC7942. > - s/RFC2460/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis Fixed.=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Nits: > =20 > N1. s/original OLSRv2/base OLSRv2 > =20 > N2. In Section 5.1, please include a forward reference to Section = 9=E2=80=A6and in Section 6.1.1=E2=80=A6and anywhere else the parameters = are defined. > =20 > N3. s/existed/existing > =20 > N4. s/MP-OLSR/MP-OLSRv2 > =20 > N5. In 8.4 s/they are/there are > =20 > N6. s/the the/the all fixed.=20 Again, thank very much for the review. Any further comments on our reply = or the draft is appreciated.=20 regards Jiazi --Apple-Mail=_4AE8DE52-C264-4374-9AB1-9774CD195AE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear Alvaro, 

Firstly, we appreciate your detailed = and valuable review, which certainly helps us improving the document a = lot =E2=80=94 thanks a ton!

Based on your comments, we updated the draft and submitted a = new revision: 
        =     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath-1= 2
          =   https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-mul= tipath-12

For your convenience to trace the modifications, please find = also our reply to your comments below. 
We are = looking forward to your further comments and = instructions. 


On = 3 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> = wrote:

Dear authors:
 
I just finished reading this = document.   In general, I think it is relatively straight = forward, but it needs several clarifications (see below).  I will = start the IETF Last Call when my Major comments have been addressed in a = new version.
 
As other people (specially the INT = Directorate) review this document, more specific language related to the = use of RFC6554 may be needed.  I=E2=80=99m inclined to go forward = with the document as is (pending the comments below) because it is = Experimental.  We can make further updates if needed.
 
Thanks!
 
Alvaro.
 
 
Major:
 
M1. Section 3. (Applicability = Statement): =E2=80=9CIt is interoperable with OLSRv2 implementations = that do not have this extension.=E2=80=9D  I don=E2=80=99t think = that statement is true.  For example, how does a non-MP-OLSRv2 = router handle a packet with the RFC6554 header in it?  IOW, strict = source routing requires all the routers in the path to support the = extension.  I think more clarity and specificity is = needed.

This is considered in the draft: the = source-routing supported routers can identify themselves by carrying a = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV in their routing messages. When the paths are = calculated, as stated in the draft:

  =  For IPv6 networks, as strict source routing is used, only the = routers
   that exist in SR-OLSRv2 Router Set are = considered in the path
  =  calculation, i.e., only the source-routing supported routers = can
   exist in the = path.

so the = non-MP-OLSRv2 routers won=E2=80=99t be considered in the first place. We = further clarified in the applicability statement with the following = text: 

It is interoperable with = OLSRv2 implementations that do not have this extension: as the MP-OLSRv2 = uses source routing, in IPv4 networks the interoperability is = achieved by using loose source routing header; in IPv6 networks, it is = achieved by eliminating routers that do not support IPv6 strict = source routing. 


  
M2. MAX_SRC_HOPS .  Both = Section 5.1. (Router Parameters) and Section 9. (Configuration = Parameters) say that =E2=80=9CFor IPv6 networks, it MUST be set to 0, = i.e., no constraint on maximum number of hops.=E2=80=9D  What about = potential MTU/fragmentation issues?  RFC6554 (in Section 4.1. = (Generating Source Routing Headers)) does talk about a maximum path = length.

We = added some text considering the MTU issue:

It is RECOMMENDED to use MTU sizes considering the = source routing header to avoid fragmentation. Depending on the size = of the routing domain, the MTU should be at least 1280 + 40 (for outer = IP header) + 16 * diameter of the network in number of hops (for = source routing header). If the links in the network have different = MTU sizes, by using technologies like Path MTU Discovery, the = routers are able to be aware of the MTU along the path. The size of = the datagram plus the size of IP headers (including the source routing = header) SHOULD NOT exceed the minimum MTU along the = path.


 
M3. Section 6.1.1. (SOURCE_ROUTE = TLV) says that each HELLO/TC message =E2=80=9CMUST have exactly one = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D.  I read this as meaning two things: (1) = every HELLO/TC must have a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, and (2) there must be at = most one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV.  What happens if either of these = conditions are not met?   RFC7181 describes conditions under = which a message should be considered invalid for processing (16.3, for = example) =E2=80=93 given the language used in this section, I would = expect something similar in this document (to enhance what is already in = RFC7181).

If= the HELLO/TC doesn=E2=80=99t have a SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, it means that = it=E2=80=99s the same as normal OLSRv2 generated messages. Then the = originator won=E2=80=99t be treated as source-route supported routers, = which means it has less possibility being chosen as MPRs, and it won=E2=80= =99t be able to be used in IPv6 strict source = routing. 

We added the invalide = term as:

= In addition to the reasons specified in <xref = target=3D"RFC7181"/> for discarding a HELLO message or a TC = message on reception, a HELLO or TC message received MUST be = discarded if it has more than one Message TLV with Type = =3D SOURCE_ROUTE. 


 
M3.1. [minor] Section 6.1.1. = (SOURCE_ROUTE TLV). =E2=80=9CMP-OLSRv2 Routing Process, or an OLSRv2 = Routing Process that supports source-route forwarding.=E2=80=9D  = Specially for IPv6, can you identify a sub-set of this specification = that would be implemented by =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 Routing Process that = supports source-route forwarding=E2=80=9D?  I=E2=80=99m wondering = whether that distinction even needs to be made or if you can just assume = that a manet router that supports RFC6554 also supports this document = (it does, if it originates the new = TLV).

I remember we had such discussion in the manet = mailing list (with Justin?). The purpose is to have better flexibility = and deployability of the protocol: I think it=E2=80=99s easier to = convince an operator to support a standard track source routing = document, than deploying an experimental function. Furthermore, the = MP-OLSR has a reactive part in path calculation, which might be a bit = tricky in some platforms, while the RFC6554 is quite = standard. 

 
M3.2. This section also says that = =E2=80=9Can OLSRv2 Routing Process MAY have one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV, if the = OLSRv2 Routing Process supports source-route forwarding, and is willing = to join the source route generated by other MP-OLSRv2 Routing = Processes.=E2=80=9D  If the 2 conditions are met, doesn=E2=80=99t = the text become =E2=80=9CMUST have exactly one SOURCE_ROUTE = TLV=E2=80=9D?   Just pointing out that the differentiation may = not be needed=E2=80=A6and that the language is not consistent (see = above).

Agree. Changed to "MUST have exactly one = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV=E2=80=9D. 

 
M3.3. =E2=80=9CThe existence of = SOURCE_ROUTE TLV MUST be consistent for a specific OLSRv2 Routing = Process=E2=80=9D  Simplify by adding discard conditions. (See M3 = above)

Resolved =E2=80=94 see reply to M3 = above. 

M4. Section 6.2.2. (Source Routing = Header in IPv6) says that the routing header from RFC6554 is used with = IPv6 Routing Type 254 (experimental).  Why?   I=E2=80=99m = asking because RFC4727 says that the experimental values =E2=80=9CMUST = NOT be shipped as defaults in implementations=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 not = only do implementations exist, but the purpose of this Experimental = document is to gather experience form real deployments.  Short of = asking for a new Routing Type, why isn=E2=80=99t the one already = assigned to RFC6554 used?

Ah, I didn=E2=80=99t know that text in RFC4727 = before. I asked such question to one of the 6man co-chairs, Ole, and he = suggested using such experimental code point (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manet/YcpyzC4T3VUVEsEN_Yg= yizN4pBo) 
Now we are using the routing type used by = RFC6554. 

 
 
M5. Section 8.1. (HELLO and TC = Message Generation).  =E2=80=9CThe TC message generation based on = SR_TC_INTERVAL does not replace the ordinary TC message generation = specified in [RFC7181]=E2=80=A6The TC generation based on SR_TC_INTERVAL = serves for those routers to advertise SOURCE_ROUTE TLV so that the other = routers can be aware of the source-route enabled routers so as to be = used as destinations of multipath routing.  The SR_TC_INTERVAL is = set to a longer value than TC_INTERVAL.=E2=80=9D  This text says = that there are two intervals at which an MP-OLSRv2 router sends TCs, but = that only at SR_TC_INTERVAL will the SOURCE_ROUTE TLV be included, is = that correct?  If so, then how does a receiver reconcile that with = the requirement in 6.1.1 (and in this section) for =E2=80=9CEvery HELLO = or TC message generated by a MP-OLSRv2 Routing Process MUST have exactly = one SOURCE_ROUTE TLV.=E2=80=9D??  IOW, it looks like that = requirement can=E2=80=99t be met unless all the TCs (including the ones = generated every TC_INTERVAL) include the SOURCE_ROUTING TLV. 

Yes, all the TCs must include = the SOURCE_ROUTING TLV. 
We made the text more = explicit. 

 
 
M6. Section 8.3. (MPR Selection): = =E2=80=9CMP-OLSR routers SHOULD be preferred as routing MPRs.=E2=80=9D&nbs= p; When would it be ok for MP-OLSR routers not to be preferred?  = IOW, why is =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D not = used?



 
 
M7. If the =
Multi-path Routing Set is maintained reactively, what should be done =
with the datagram that triggered the calculation (while it is being =
done)?  I=E2=80=99m assuming that it should be buffered somewhere =
and then forwarded, =
right? 

Yes

 I=E2=80=99m also assuming that any =
other datagrams to the same destination that are received while the =
calculation is happening should also be buffered, =
true? 
 Is there a maximum time that this =
buffering should be maintained?  Is there a maximum expected =
size? 

In our current implementations for field tests and = simulations, no buffer is used because the time spent to calculate the = paths is trivial (the paths are either returned almost instantly, or no = path at all). In more complex scenarios with high data rate and large = number of nodes, a buffer would be needed. 



 Maybe these are questions that =
you may want to answer through the experiment.  Also, buffering =
some datagrams may open an attack vector =E2=80=93 worth mentioning in =
the Security Considerations section. =

Yes, = very good points. We added some text in the =E2=80=9Csecurity = consideration=E2=80=9D section: 

If the multiple paths are calculated reactively, = the datagrams SHOULD be buffered while the paths are = being calculated. Because the path calculation is local and no = control message is exchanged, the buffering time should be trivial. = However, depending on the CPU power and memory of the router, a maximum = buffer size SHOULD be set to avoid occupying too much memory of the = router. When the buffer is full, the ancient datagrams are dropped. = A possible attack that a malicious application could launch is that, it = initiates large amount of datagrams to all the other routers in the = network, thus triggering path calculation to all the other routers = and during which, the datagrams are buffered. This might flush = other legitimate datagrams. But the impact of the attack is = transient: once the path calculation is finished, the datagrams are = forwarded and the buffer goes back to empty.

 
M7.1. =
[minor] Section 4. (Protocol Overview and Functioning): =E2=80=9CThe =
reactive operation is local in the router and no message transmission =
delay is introduced.=E2=80=9D  I think you may be referring to =
control plane messages, but it sounds as if there was no delay in the =
propagation of the data plane messages =E2=80=93 which by definition =
need to somehow be held while the reactive calculation is =
completed.  Please =
clarify.

Yes. We now put "no additional routing control = messages exchange is required=E2=80=9D. 

 
 
M8. Section =
8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) says that =E2=80=9CUsing =
different multi-path algorithms will not impact the =
interoperability.=E2=80=9D  Using different algorithms in a network =
may not impact interoperability (as the packets on the wire will be =
understood by all), but it can lead to routing loops.  Please =
clarify.

Because the path is decided only by the = originator, using different multi-path algorithms in different routers = won=E2=80=99t be a problem. 

 
M8.1. =
Section 8.5.2. (Multi-path Dijkstra Algorithm) describes the MP =
algorithm as two incremental functions at =E2=80=9Cstep i=E2=80=9D of =
the original Dijkstra algorithm.  While the algorithm may be well =
known, please add a reference so that there is no confusion as to what =
=E2=80=9Cstep i=E2=80=9D is. =

Done. 

 
 
M9. The =
Security Considerations of RFC6554 say that the extension is to be used =
only inside an RPL domain and that =E2=80=9CRPL routers MUST drop =
datagrams entering or exiting a RPL routing domain that contain an SRH =
in the IPv6 Extension headers.=E2=80=9D  This document does mention =
that =E2=80=9Cthe source routing header is used only in the current =
routing domain=E2=80=9D, but it doesn=E2=80=99t explicitly talk about =
what should be done with datagrams that contain the source routing =
headers as they enter/leave the domain.  Please include some text =
similar to the one in RFC6554.  Pointing to the Security =
Considerations of RFC6554 would also be a good idea (to capture ICMP =
attacks, and whatever else is mentioned =
there).


Done. 

 
 
M10. IANA =
Considerations.  Sections 12.1. (Expert Review: Evaluation =
Guidelines) and 12.3. (Routing Type) are not needed as this document is =
not specifying any new space that requires DE review (the assignment =
should be done under DE review, but that is specified elsewhere), and =
the Routing Type is already assigned by =
IANA.

Removed. 

 
 
 
Minor:
 
P1. Please =
include a reference for =E2=80=9Cerasure =
coding=E2=80=9D.

Done.

 
P2. Loose vs Strict Source Routing.  It caught =
my attention that the IPv4/IPv6 source routing modes are not the same =
=E2=80=93 why is that?  I note that RFC791 does support strict =
source routing.  RFC6554 doesn=E2=80=99t support loose source =
routing, but other extensions do =
(draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, for example, can support both =
loose and strict modes).  Given that this document is Experimental, =
I don=E2=80=99t think it is a show stopper, but consistency would be =
nice.  There=E2=80=99s also the opportunity to experiment =
further.

In IPv4, the loose source routing is used because = there is a limitation on the length of the header. 
It is = very good point that it would be interesting to experiment with the = loose mode in IPv6, as you indicated. We added some text for experiments = based on draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header: 

=E2=80=A2 Use of IPv6 loose = source routing. In the current specification, only strict source routing = is used for IPv6 based on [RFC6554]. = In [I=E2=80=91D.ietf=E2=80=916man=E2=80=91segment=E2=80=91routing=E2=80= =91header], the use of loose source routing is also proposed in = IPv6. In scenarios where the length of the source routing header is = critical, the loose source routing can be = considered.

 
P3. You mention round-robin and weighted scheduling =
for path selection (in 1.1).  What about flow-based (keep all the =
packets in a flow on a single path)?  I=E2=80=99m wondering about =
this because disjoint paths may result in significant performance =
characteristic differences, and path stability (as much as possible) may =
be important in some =
cases.

In fact, the flow-based is a different approach = compared to the one that we proposed. Based on our tests and = simulations, using disjoint paths simultaneously could improve the = overall performance. Of course, we also noticed the issues that you = mentioned, and put the following text as part of the = experiments: 

= =E2=80=A2 The impacts of the delay variation due to multi-path = routing. [RFC2991] brings out some concerns of multi-path = routing, especially variable latencies. Although current experiment = results show that multi-path routing can reduce the jitter in dynamic = scenarios, some transport protocols or applications may be = sensitive to the datagram re-ordering.

 
P4. Section =
1.1 mentions the potential use of =E2=80=9CDifferent algorithms to =
obtain multiple paths=E2=80=9D.  The rtgwg WG has done a lot of =
work on finding alternate paths (from LFA all the way to MRT) in the =
context of fast reroute =E2=80=93 these alternate paths can obviously be =
used for traffic forwarding under normal conditions (not just for =
repair).  I=E2=80=99m wondering why those other mechanisms were not =
used here?  Where they even considered?  [IOW, it=E2=80=99s =
always nice to use other IETF-developed =
technology.]

As mentioned in the previous reply, the purpose is = not discovering alternate path for fast reroute, but using parallel = paths to improve the reliability and take benefit of multiple = description coding. 

 
P5. Please define SR-OLSRv2 in the Terminology =
section.

Done. 

P6. The document doesn=E2=80=99t =
explain how SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER should be used.  Later I found =
(in 8.2) that =E2=80=9Csource route hold time multiplier=E2=80=9D is =
defined as =E2=80=9Cthe value of a Message TLV with Type =3D =
SOURCE_ROUTE=E2=80=9C, which is exactly what SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER =
is.  Suggestion: to avoid confusion and be consistent, eliminate =
the definition of "source route hold time multiplier" and simply use =
SR_HOLD_TIME_MULTIPLIER.

Yes, good catch. Fixed. 

 
P7. Section =
8.2. (HELLO and TC Message Processing) defines "validity time".  I =
don=E2=80=99t think this is necessary as it has the same meaning as in =
RFC7181, right?  If so, then a reference to that (in the SR_time =
formula) should be enough.  Otherwise, you at least need a =
reference to RFC5497.  I=E2=80=99m making this comment because it =
is easier/cleaner to use definitions by reference, than risk not using =
the exact same text and have the specifications potentially diverge over =
time.

Agree.= We put a reference to RFC7181. 

 
P8. The definition of the Multi-path Routing Tuple =
in 8.5.1. (Requirements of Multi-path Calculation) is not (exactly) the =
same as in 7.2. (Multi-path Routing Set).  Suggestion: put a =
reference to 7.1 in 8.5.1.

Done. 

 
P9. References:
- RFC6982 =
has been obsoleted by RFC7942.
- =
s/RFC2460/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis
<= br class=3D"">
Fixed. 

 
 
 
Nits:
 
N1. s/original OLSRv2/base OLSRv2
 
N2. In =
Section 5.1, please include a forward reference to Section 9=E2=80=A6and =
in Section 6.1.1=E2=80=A6and anywhere else the parameters are =
defined.
 
N3. =
s/existed/existing
 
N4. s/MP-OLSR/MP-OLSRv2
 
N5. In 8.4 s/they are/there are
 
N6. s/the =
the/the

all fixed. 

Again, thank very much for the review. Any further = comments on our reply or the draft is appreciated. 

regards

Jiazi

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Extension for the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2)) to Experimental RFC X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:51:21 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG (manet) to consider the following document: - 'Multi-path Extension for the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2)' as Experimental RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-05-04. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies a multi-path extension for the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 (OLSRv2) to discover multiple disjoint paths, so as to improve reliability of the OLSRv2 protocol. The interoperability with OLSRv2 is retained. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multipath/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Valencia (Espaņa) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Archived-At: X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:52:04 -0000 ================================================ XIII Jornadas de Ingenieria Telematica (JITEL 2017), 27-29 de septiembre de 2017. http://jlloret.webs.upv.es/jitel2017/index.html FECHA DE ENVIO DE TRABAJOS: 12 de mayo de 2017 (Extendido) ENLACE DE ENVIO: http://ocs.editorial.upv.es/index.php/JITEL/JITEL2017/author/submit?requiresAuthor=1 =============================================== CONVOCATORIA DE PONENCIAS =============================================== Las XIII Jornadas de Ingenieria Telematica (JITEL 2017), se celebraran en la ciudad de Valencia durante los dias 27 al 29 de Septiembre de 2017. Las Jornadas de Ingenieria Telematica (JITEL), organizadas por la Asociacion de Telematica (ATEL), constituyen un foro propicio de reunion, debate y divulgacion para los grupos que imparten docencia e investigan en temas relacionados con las redes y los servicios telematicos. Con la organizacion de este evento se pretende fomentar, por un lado el intercambio de experiencias y resultados, ademas de la comunicacion y cooperacion entre los grupos de investigacion que trabajan en temas relacionados con la telematica. TOPICOS =============================================== Las contribuciones enviadas a JITEL 2017, asi como a los workshops propuestos, deberan ser originales no previamente publicadas o propuestas para tal fin en otra revista o conferencia con actas. En general, se aceptaran comunicaciones relacionadas con todos los ambitos de la telematica, incluyendo los que se relacionan a continuacion: -- Arquitectura de redes e Internet de proxima generacion -- Redes 5G -- Gestion de redes y servicios -- Protocolos y servicios en la nube -- Diseņo multicapa en redes fijas y moviles -- Eficiencia energetica en las redes de comunicaciones -- Gestion de recursos en redes moviles -- Internet de los objetos -- Redes vehiculares -- Modelos, analisis y control de trafico -- Plataformas de experimentacion -- Algoritmos y protocolos de comunicacion -- Tarificacion y costes en las redes de comunicaciones -- Redes y tecnicas cognitivas -- Redes inalambricas de area local y metropolitana -- Redes opticas activas y pasivas. Transmision y conmutacion. Redes superpuestas. Servicios soportados -- Seguridad, criptografia, privacidad y anonimato en las redes de comunicaciones -- Tecnologias y protocolos en las redes de sensores -- Software Defined Networking -- Virtualizacion en la red -- Web semantica y datos enlazados -- Big Data -- Web 2.0 y redes sociales -- Servicios multimedia interactivos: VoIP, VoD, etc -- Servicios telematicos para la sociedad de la informacion -- Tecnicas de cooperacion en la red y en los servicios En aquellos casos en los que las contribuciones se encuentren dentro de las areas incluidas en alguno de los workshops, se recomienda a los autores que las presenten a dichos workshops. La seleccion de las contribuciones se realizara de forma que aquellas que no puedan ser incluidas en los workshops seran consideradas para las sesiones ordinarias. INSTRUCCIONES PARA LOS AUTORES =============================================== Se pueden enviar contribuciones en espaņol o ingles a JITEL 2017, asi como a los workshops propuestos. Estas deberan ser originales no previamente publicadas o propuestas para tal fin en otra revista o conferencia con actas. Las contribuciones que se envien a la conferencia principal pueden tener una longitud de entre 6 y 8 paginas (considerado como FULL PAPER) en el formato indicado, o entre 3 y 4 paginas (considerado como SHORT PAPER), siendo aceptable solo la recepcion de ficheros en formato PDF. Las contribuciones que no cumplan estas recomendaciones podran ser rechazadas independientemente de otras consideraciones. Aquellos grupos de investigacion interesados en participar en las sesiones Fast Track deberan enviar un resumen de 1 pagina, a traves de la plataforma de envio y subirlo a la seccion "Fast Track". Durante el proceso de envio de los articulos, los autores podran indicar la seccion apropiada. Solo las contribuciones enviadas como FULL PAPER, en la conferencia! principal o en los workshops, sera n consideradas a la hora de seleccionar los mejores articulos para los numeros especiales que se han organizado El enlace de envio para Jitel 2017 es el siguiente: http://ocs.editorial.upv.es/index.php/JITEL/JITEL2017/author/submit?requiresAuthor=1 Al menos un autor de cada contribucion aceptada debera registrarse en la conferencia y asistir a la misma, asi como realizar la presentacion de su trabajo. Todos los articulos aceptados como FULL PAPER o SHORT PAPER tanto en la conferencia principal como en los workshops, excepto los resumenes de las presentaciones de las sesiones Fast track, se publicaran en las actas del congreso, con ISBN. INVITACION DE LAS MEJORES CONTRIBUCIONES A NUMEROS ESPECIALES =============================================== Los mejores articulos presentados en las JITEL 2017 podran ser seleccionados para participar en varios numeros especiales de revistas internacionales de reconocido prestigio como: Sensors Link: http://www.mdpi.com/journal/sensors/special_issues/Smart_Communication_Protocols Factor de calidad: Con JCR, situada en Q1 Information Link: http://www.mdpi.com/journal/information Factor de calidad: ESCI - Web of Science, Citescore 0.94 SCOPUS Network Protocols and Algorithms Link: http://www.macrothink.org/journal/index.php/npa Factor de calidad: Indexada en varias listas con indice de impacto, incluida en DBLP FECHAS IMPORTANTES =============================================== -- Envio de trabajos: 12 de mayo de 2017 (Extendido) -- Comunicacion aceptacion: 30 de junio de 2017 -- Envio version final: 16 de julio de 2017 -- Fecha Celebracion de la conferencia: 27-29 de Septiembre de 2017 COMITE EJECUTIVO Y DE ORGANIZACION =============================================== Comite Ejecutivo: -- Jaime Lloret Mauri, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa (JITEL 2017) -- Vicente Casares-Giner, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa (JITEL 2017) -- Magdalena Payeras Capella, Universitat de les Illes Balears, Espaņa (JITEL 2015) -- Julian Fernandez Navajas, Universidad de Zaragoza, Espaņa (JITEL 2019) -- Alvaro Suarez Sarmiento, Universidad de las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Espaņa (ATEL) Logistica Local: -- Oscar Romero Martinez, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa -- Jose Miguel Jimenez Herranz, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa Sitio web: -- Alejandro Canovas Solbes, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa Difusion y publicidad de la llamada a ponencias: -- Sandra Sendra Compte, Universidad de Granada, Espaņa Redes sociales: -- Miguel Garcia Pineda, Universidad de Valencia, Espaņa Soporte envio de articulos: -- Lorena Parra Boronat, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa -- Laura Garcia Garcia, Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Espaņa Para mas informacion, visite la web de la conferencia: http://jlloret.webs.upv.es/jitel2017/index.html =================================================