From nobody Mon Nov 6 15:12:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E4013FC93; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ihRK7acZ6pdv; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8750113FA27; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 22719B8152F; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:11:52 -0800 (PST) To: denis@ovsienko.info, ulrich@herberg.name, chris.dearlove@baesystems.com, T.Clausen@computer.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, iesg@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20171106231152.22719B8152F@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:11:52 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [manet] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC7183 (5144) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 23:12:07 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC7183, "Integrity Protection for the Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP) and Optimized Link State Routing Protocol Version 2 (OLSRv2)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5144 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Denis Ovsienko Date Reported: 2017-10-04 Held by: Alvaro Retana (IESG) Section: 8.1.3 Original Text ------------- is contained in message. As an attacker cannot modify the content of this timestamp (as it is protected by the identity check value), an attacker cannot replay messages after this time. Within this time Corrected Text -------------- is contained in message. As an attacker cannot modify the content of this timestamp (as it is protected by the integrity check value), an attacker cannot replay messages after this time. Within this time Notes ----- Integrity check value (ICV) is the means of protection in this document. -------------------------------------- RFC7183 (draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-olsrv2-sec-05) -------------------------------------- Title : Integrity Protection for the Neighborhood Discovery Protocol (NHDP) and Optimized Link State Routing Protocol Version 2 (OLSRv2) Publication Date : April 2014 Author(s) : U. Herberg, C. Dearlove, T. Clausen Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From Anthony.Tran@gd-ms.ca Tue Nov 7 08:20:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22DD133666 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:20:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o-9InKNMKDkn for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from OTTMGC002.GDCAN.COM (smtp5.gdcanada.com [209.29.4.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53423133722 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:12:20 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5900,7806,8707"; a="5593916" Received: from unknown (HELO gd-ms.ca) ([172.16.7.198]) by OTTMGC002.GDCAN.COM with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Nov 2017 11:12:18 -0500 Received: from OTTSVW192.gdcan.com ([fe80::5949:f987:4b00:edf]) by ottsvw198.gdcan.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0339.000; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:12:18 -0500 From: "Tran, Anthony" To: "manet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Question regarding RFC 8175 version 29 Thread-Index: AdNX4tbByXxt+dOJQiqFQFSo6CFztQ== Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:12:17 +0000 Message-ID: <0C73675F64C7DC4DAC17313DE1383D632F6B8CE3@ottsvw192.gdcan.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.31.164.62] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-12.0.0.1727-8.100.1062-23446.007 x-tm-as-result: No--22.027900-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-matchedid: 139704-113220-708196-111604-700362-705718-700345-701827-7 00264-702497-700450-700732-701012-701306-704425-709859-111605-700074-303242 -709323-188124-703223-700476-712032-702143-112074-863299-705861-701604-1880 51-701944-704421-701618-703112-700107-701192-106580-121133-111610-187125-18 8093-148004-148050-20020-42000-63 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0C73675F64C7DC4DAC17313DE1383D632F6B8CE3ottsvw192gdcanc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:11:46 -0800 Subject: [manet] Question regarding RFC 8175 version 29 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:29:38 -0000 --_000_0C73675F64C7DC4DAC17313DE1383D632F6B8CE3ottsvw192gdcanc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have a question regarding the scope of what RFC 8175 covers. Specifically= section 13.8.1: IPv4 address processing. If the containing message is a Session Message, e.g., a Session Initialization Message (Section 12.5) or Session Update Message (Section 12.7), the receiver of inconsistent information MUST issue a Session Termination Message (Section 12.9) containing a Status Data Item (Section 13.1) with status code set to 130 'Invalid Data' and transition to the Session Termination state. Examples of such conditions are: o An address Drop operation referencing an address that is not associated with the peer in the current session. o An address Add operation referencing an address that has already been added to the peer in the current session. Does the RFC cover what would be "invalid data" or is that determined by wh= oever is implementing the DLEP solution? Thanks in advance, Anthony Tran Anthony Tran, E.I.T. Evolve to Open (EvO) - Junior Software Engineer General Dynamics Misson Systems Canada Anthony.Tran@gd-ms.ca 403-295-5251 --_000_0C73675F64C7DC4DAC17313DE1383D632F6B8CE3ottsvw192gdcanc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I have a question regarding the scope of what RFC 8175 covers. Specifically= section 13.8.1: IPv4 address processing.

 

   If the containing message is a Se= ssion Message, e.g., a Session

   Initialization Message (Section 1= 2.5) or Session Update Message

   (Section 12.7), the receiver of inconsistent information MUST issue a=

   Session Termination Message (Section 12.9) containing a Status Data

   Item (Section 13.1) with status c= ode set to 130 'Invalid Data' and

   transition to the Session Ter=
mination state. Examples of such
   conditions are:

 

   o  An address Drop opera=
tion referencing an address that is not
      associated =
with the peer in the current session.
 
   o  An address Add operat=
ion referencing an address that has already
      been added =
to the peer in the current session.

 

Does the RFC cover what would be “invalid data= ” or is that determined by whoever is implementing the DLEP solution?=

Thanks in advance,

Anthony Tran

 

Anthony Tran, E.I.T.

Evolve to Open (EvO= ) – Junior Software Engineer

General Dynamics Mi= sson Systems Canada

Anthony.Tran@gd-ms.ca

403-295-5251=

 

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That said, there is "wiggle room" in the text to allow implementations to decide if additional conditions apply. Regards, Stan On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Tran, Anthony wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question regarding the scope of what RFC 8175 covers. > Specifically section 13.8.1: IPv4 address processing. > > > > If the containing message is a Session Message, e.g., a Session > > Initialization Message (Section 12.5) or Session Update Message > > (Section 12.7), *the receiver of inconsistent information MUST issue a= * > > * Session Termination Message* (Section 12.9) containing a Status Data > > Item (Section 13.1) with status code set to 130 'Invalid Data' and > > transition to the Session Termination state. Examples of such > > conditions are: > > > > o An address Drop operation referencing an address that is not > > associated with the peer in the current session. > > > > o An address Add operation referencing an address that has already > > been added to the peer in the current session. > > > > Does the RFC cover what would be =E2=80=9Cinvalid data=E2=80=9D or is tha= t determined by > whoever is implementing the DLEP solution? > > Thanks in advance, > > Anthony Tran > > > > *Anthony Tran, E.I.T.* > > Evolve to Open (EvO) =E2=80=93 Junior Software Engineer > > General Dynamics Misson Systems Canada > > Anthony.Tran@gd-ms.ca > > 403-295-5251 <(403)%20295-5251> > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --f403045fbc4c72148a055d697ac1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anthony,=C2=A0

The two bulleted points = you included from 13.8.1 cover some of the "inconsistent data" th= at concerned us:=C2=A0

=

" ...E=
xamples of such conditions are:
=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 An addre=
ss Drop operation referencing an address that is not
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 associated with the peer in the current session.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 An address Add ope=
ration referencing an address that has already
=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 been added to the peer in the current session."<=
/u>

That said, there is "wiggle room" = in the text to allow implementations to decide if additional conditions app= ly.=C2=A0

Regards,
Stan



On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Tran,= Anthony <Anthony.Tran@gd-ms.ca> wrote:

Hello,

I have a question regarding the scope of what RFC 8175 covers. Specifically= section 13.8.1: IPv4 address processing.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the containing message is a Sess= ion Message, e.g., a Session

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Initialization Message (Section 12.= 5) or Session Update Message

=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Section 12.7), the receiver of inconsistent information MUST issue a=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Session Termination Message (Section 12.9) containing a Status Data

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Item (Section 13.1) with status cod= e set to 130 'Invalid Data' and

=C2=A0=C2=A0 transition to the Session Ter=
mination state. Examples of such
=C2=A0=C2=A0 conditions are:=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 An address Drop opera=
tion referencing an address that is not
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 associated =
with the peer in the current session.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 An address Add operat=
ion referencing an address that has already
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 been added =
to the peer in the current session.

=C2=A0

Does the RFC cover what would be =E2=80=9Cinvalid da= ta=E2=80=9D or is that determined by whoever is implementing the DLEP solut= ion?

Thanks in advance,

Anthony Tran

=C2=A0

Anthony Tran, E.I.T.

Evolve to Open (EvO) = =E2=80=93 Junior Software Engineer

General Dynamics Miss= on Systems Canada

Anthony.Tr= an@gd-ms.ca

403-295-5251

=C2=A0


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Tue, 7 Nov 2017 23:15:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <73f0c278-746d-89ad-1f22-fa409a1ad085@labn.net> References: <150938684459.7924.12734346764675720800@ietfa.amsl.com> <73f0c278-746d-89ad-1f22-fa409a1ad085@labn.net> From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 08:15:26 +0100 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:16:31 -0000 two nitpicks for Chapter 3: the second sentence of the first paragraph should read The Latency Range Item MAY be carried in the same messages and MUST be processed according to the same rules as the Latency Data Item defined in [RFC8175]. There is no "Latency Range Data Item" in RFC8175. Second, maybe moving to nanoseconds is a good idea? The range is still "longer than humans used radio", but we already have radios with sub-microsecond timings I think. Henning Rogge On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > > This version included updated references and some minor editorial fixes. > > Lou (for authors) > > > On 10/30/2017 2:07 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : DLEP Lantency Range Extension >> Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng >> Lou Berger >> Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01.txt >> Pages : 5 >> Date : 2017-10-30 >> >> Abstract: >> This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol to provide >> the range of latency that may be experienced on a link. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Tue Nov 7 23:21:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B319712EC3B for ; 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Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:21:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.144 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 23:21:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6514a53d-3731-2551-93fb-2599c4800b19@labn.net> References: <150938685312.7857.13103373643734474458@ietfa.amsl.com> <6514a53d-3731-2551-93fb-2599c4800b19@labn.net> From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 08:21:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:21:39 -0000 Hi, First, why do you need the "reserved" bytes at the end of the TLVs... DLEP already contains TLVs with a length not dividable by 4. I am a bit concerned about the "hop control" data item, it packs A LOT more complexity than the "hop count" one. I also wonder if "hop control" should be part of a "request link characteristic" message. Thoughts about it? Henning Rogge On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > > This version included updated references and some minor editorial fixes. > > Lou (for authors) > > On 10/30/2017 2:07 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension >> Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng >> Lou Berger >> Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01.txt >> Pages : 9 >> Date : 2017-10-30 >> >> Abstract: >> This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables >> the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable >> modems. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Tue Nov 7 23:24:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68251300CE for ; 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Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:24:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.144 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 23:23:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 08:23:54 +0100 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: Rick Taylor , MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] next version of pause extension X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:24:29 -0000 Rick, Stan and me had also a discussion about this when talking about the "link ID" extension... I proposed the idea that we use "link IDs" to define multiple "versions" of a connection to the same target MAC address. This would also mean we could easily add a "this needs VLAN TOS x" or "this needs DSCP y" flag to a neighbor, which means we don't need to introduce "sub-TLVs". Henning Rogge On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Rick (all), > > When we last talked (ietf99, see > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-99-manet). I think we > agreed that draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-01 captured your > current thinking on "containers". Are you still happy with the draft, > or do you think there is some change needed? If the latter, obviously > let us know what change you'd like to see. > > Thanks, > > Lou > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Wed Nov 8 05:28:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1BD126C23 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 05:28:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2iIWFkISeM1s for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D610126C22 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMOut01 (unknown [10.0.90.82]) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554C51E2F5F for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:16:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id XRGn1w0072SSUrH01RGqMA; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:16:51 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=K4VSJ2eI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=VRRTJ5-aRumYiWxeoY8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Yz9wTY_ffGCQnEDHKrcv:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FCKqRA5IY3vWJmfZ9tVx6wjbuRFXpqBXm7YGjvCQkTc=; b=SkF3Qu89rJz8WjL0rglwGio2IU Tjef+OVu0Fl/ZVoUkWSulAS2QyhxQf0kxEbBHyWmTUn/eYOT9c++kCE9v+eJYPgrnIm3cQWp6XHdx 8VaPtYVRiCjnLAJi6d9k2DuiA; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:42760 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1eCQDm-000cY5-VP; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:16:47 -0700 To: Henning Rogge Cc: MANET IETF References: <150938684459.7924.12734346764675720800@ietfa.amsl.com> <73f0c278-746d-89ad-1f22-fa409a1ad085@labn.net> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <91e583fe-3a1e-ac69-721c-0bd6a7fbc4cb@labn.net> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 08:16:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eCQDm-000cY5-VP X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:42760 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 13:28:04 -0000 Henning,     Thank you for the comments - please see below for in-line responses. On 11/8/2017 2:15 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: > two nitpicks for Chapter 3: > > the second sentence of the first paragraph should read > > The Latency Range Item MAY be carried in the same > messages and MUST be processed according to the same rules as the > Latency Data Item defined in [RFC8175]. > > There is no "Latency Range Data Item" in RFC8175. Yes, cut-and-paste bug -- good catch! > Second, maybe moving to nanoseconds is a good idea? The range is still > "longer than humans used radio", but we already have radios with > sub-microsecond timings I think. I have no objections -- what do others think? Lou > Henning Rogge > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This version included updated references and some minor editorial fixes. >> >> Lou (for authors) >> >> >> On 10/30/2017 2:07 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : DLEP Lantency Range Extension >>> Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng >>> Lou Berger >>> Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01.txt >>> Pages : 5 >>> Date : 2017-10-30 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol to provide >>> the range of latency that may be experienced on a link. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension/ >>> >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01 >>> >>> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> manet mailing list >>> manet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Wed Nov 8 05:46:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0CB126CD6 for ; 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On 11/8/2017 2:21 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: > Hi, > > First, why do you need the "reserved" bytes at the end of the TLVs... > DLEP already contains TLVs with a length not dividable by 4. I'm fine with byte alignment, but alos thought it would be nice to leave room for more flags definition without requiring a new data item.  Bits are cheap in the control plane.  That said, I'm okay with reducing/eliminating them if that's WG consensus. > I am a bit concerned about the "hop control" data item, it packs A LOT > more complexity than the "hop count" one. Agreed.  Note that the modem controls if a router can do any control via the Hop Count Data Item P bit. > I also wonder if "hop control" should be part of a "request link > characteristic" message. > > Thoughts about it? I'm very interested in such a message, but also like small and focused function increments from both standards and implementation perspectives.  My inclination is to move forward with this one and start thinking and working on the details of such a request message/DI.  What do you think? Lou > Henning Rogge > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This version included updated references and some minor editorial fixes. >> >> Lou (for authors) >> >> On 10/30/2017 2:07 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension >>> Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng >>> Lou Berger >>> Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01.txt >>> Pages : 9 >>> Date : 2017-10-30 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables >>> the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable >>> modems. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ >>> >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01 >>> >>> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> manet mailing list >>> manet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Wed Nov 8 05:50:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B15126CD8 for ; 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Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:47216 helo=fs2.dc.labn.net) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1eCQui-000lXx-Ex; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:01:08 -0700 To: Henning Rogge Cc: Rick Taylor , MANET IETF References: From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <9fe45b7b-7d4a-1ff8-09b2-9d0048326081@labn.net> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 09:01:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eCQui-000lXx-Ex X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net (fs2.dc.labn.net) [100.15.86.101]:47216 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] next version of pause extension X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 14:01:19 -0000 Henning, see below. On 11/08/2017 02:23 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: > Rick, Stan and me had also a discussion about this when talking about > the "link ID" extension... I followed the thread (I think) -- I was hoping we'd get some good time in Singapore to discuss this - will you (and Rick+ Stan) be there? > > I proposed the idea that we use "link IDs" to define multiple > "versions" of a connection to the same target MAC address. This would > also mean we could easily add a "this needs VLAN TOS x" or "this needs > DSCP y" flag to a neighbor, which means we don't need to introduce > "sub-TLVs". I'm torn, the lid approach means a lot of added messaging to essentially provide queue index semantics - but I also like the generic concepts of LIDS (although I personally think LID length should be fixed per session, not per spec.) Given that lids are so immature, I don't think we should hold up pause. Let's get it done and out there, and *if* we come up with something better in a year or two we can deprecate pause. Lou > > Henning Rogge > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >> Rick (all), >> >> When we last talked (ietf99, see >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-99-manet). I think we >> agreed that draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-01 captured your >> current thinking on "containers". Are you still happy with the draft, >> or do you think there is some change needed? If the latter, obviously >> let us know what change you'd like to see. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lou >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > From nobody Wed Nov 8 06:05:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE33126CD6 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:05:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gbjlFdaK2g4c for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A42B0126C3D for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmgw4 (unknown [10.0.90.85]) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F671E0CDC for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 07:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id XS5D1w00e2SSUrH01S5Ghl; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:05:16 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=JNNLi4Cb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=ir0UdlLM0N-Xg6VD7KUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TVAduO4ODjKy1PUIADAddOGVwGH5uQoexnh05oQTAaE=; b=uLn9EAZOCyTUFdi7duvLq/4oqY slloDdFBgg6qIVtT5BOpODQdRpM2eiJitiEIG8+K3WJHQeOAlgd0VHuwZ+OxUMIA1AIbCsrdlkIDl NjAXzMh0blkjLwAEZbas9YG2Q; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:47668 helo=fs2.dc.labn.net) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1eCQyf-000mQe-7x; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:05:13 -0700 To: Rick Taylor , "hrogge@gmail.com" Cc: "manet@ietf.org" References: <150938685312.7857.13103373643734474458@ietfa.amsl.com> <6514a53d-3731-2551-93fb-2599c4800b19@labn.net> <4ed91054-2eff-e73b-3c6a-3430b949f183@labn.net> <1510148971.2149.6.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <291a604f-b282-03f3-5bbf-94e15583e2f4@labn.net> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 09:05:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1510148971.2149.6.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eCQyf-000mQe-7x X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net (fs2.dc.labn.net) [100.15.86.101]:47668 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 6 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 14:05:17 -0000 On 11/08/2017 08:49 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Lou, the Link Characteristics Request message already exists in > RFC8175, and I think Hop Control data items should probably live there > instead. Yikes! clearly I should have had coffee before responding! You are both right. I'll make the change in the draft. 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Thanks. Lou On 11/08/2017 09:34 AM, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't wrote: > Hi Lou, all, > > Also in the nitpicking department: What is "Lantency"? Latency of the LAN between router and radio, perhaps? 😠> (See I-D title). > > Ronald > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henning Rogge >> Sent: woensdag 8 november 2017 8:15 >> To: Lou Berger >> Cc: MANET IETF >> Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension- >> 01.txt >> >> two nitpicks for Chapter 3: >> >> the second sentence of the first paragraph should read >> >> The Latency Range Item MAY be carried in the same messages and MUST be >> processed according to the same rules as the Latency Data Item defined in >> [RFC8175]. >> >> There is no "Latency Range Data Item" in RFC8175. >> >> Second, maybe moving to nanoseconds is a good idea? The range is still >> "longer than humans used radio", but we already have radios with sub- >> microsecond timings I think. >> >> Henning Rogge >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> This version included updated references and some minor editorial fixes. >>> >>> Lou (for authors) >>> >>> >>> On 10/30/2017 2:07 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. >>>> >>>> Title : DLEP Lantency Range Extension >>>> Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng >>>> Lou Berger >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01.txt >>>> Pages : 5 >>>> Date : 2017-10-30 >>>> >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol to provide >>>> the range of latency that may be experienced on a link. >>>> >>>> >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extens >>>> ion/ >>>> >>>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-0 >>>> 1 >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-e >>>> xtension-01 >>>> >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-exten >>>> sion-01 >>>> >>>> >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at >> tools.ietf.org. >>>> >>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> manet mailing list >>>> manet@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> manet mailing list >>> manet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. 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See below for responses in-line. On 11/08/2017 09:18 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Hi Lou, Bow-Nan. > > Thanks for doing this work, but I have a concern, but it might indicate > a lack of understanding of your intentions for this extension. > > From my perspective, DLEP provides "near realtime" information about > the state of links between destinations, so for example if the latency > of the link changes, the updated latency metric is reported in a > Destination Update message from modem to router. > > If your intention with this draft is to supply a mechanism to allow a > modem to report a rapidly fluctuating link latency (more than once per > second) at a lower rate, i.e. "This link is flapping fast between X and > Y ms" and report this every second with different X and Y, then I see > the point (although I don't want to use that modem). > > If your intention with this draft is to supply a mechanism to allow a > modem to report a min and max latency for the link *once* (or very > infrequently) at Destination Up, then I oppose it. If this is the case > I would suggest that the modem reporting Latency when it is known, and > the router recording the min and max as it is reported is how DLEP was > designed to be used. My limited understanding is that certain types of radios will deliver different latencies per frame delivered and that a single latency value doesn't make sense for these radios. Also this range does change based on the state of the radio (network). > > My other query, which I raised at the mic in Chicago, was why this > extension only covers Latency. Lou's response was that if people want > the same functionality for a different metric, a new extension can be > written. Actually - my point was that unless you require an implementation to support all metrics, the use of ranges needs to be negotiated per metric - which means there is an extension (value) per metric. So, to me this means there's little value in covering all metrics here and that if someone what's it per metric they can define it. Also give 2^16 DI types I see little value in having a common format with two levels of parsing it implies (DI=generic metric range, Metric Type=Metric type vs DI - metric specific range). I still have this opinion. Of course, if the WG wants ranges for all types, so be it and we'll document it as such. I still will advocate for a type specific DI in this case BTW. > I however suggest that it might be simpler to generalize the > data item in this extension to something like: > >   0                   1                   2                   3 >        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >       | Data Item Type (TBD2)         | Length                        | >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Metric Data Item Type (this DI type of the metric min/max)    : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >       |                        Maximum Value                         : >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >       :                        Maximum Value (if 64bit)               | >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >       |                        Minimum Value                         : >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >       :                        Minimum Value (if 64bit)              | >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > The advantage of doing it this way would be that any metrics in future > extensions could immediately have a "Min/Max" extension data item. yes, but it's use would still need to be covered by an extension so I still don't see a win. something for discussion Next week... 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The first is fairly simple to implement but is likely to be inefficient, i.e., result in periods of time when the link is idle. The second is far more powerful and complex to implement, but is likely to be more efficient *and* allow a smart router to make more sophisticated decisions based on window sizes. > However, I know various of us involved in DLEP over the years have all > known that 'flows' and 'queues' need to be addressed at some point, and > I wonder if this is the moment. Is it time to pull the 'Queue/Flow > Identifier' text out of both extensions and consolidate it into a > single draft, which CW and Pause (and others) can then reference? The defined mechanisms in the Credit draft are currently structured (intentionally) to allow of future reuse. In particular the same credit control can 100% be applied *without modification* to different forms of traffic identification and classification, e.g. 802.1 PCPs. I thought about breaking credit window control and traffic classification into their own documents, but then decided that future TC definitions/extensions could just reference the DIs defined in this document - so there was no substantive value in doing this, but it certainly is a valid options. Of course, we can break into two if the WG prefers. Thanks, Lou > We > can then all have a good argument about packing DSCP code points into > 'sub-tlvs' once for one document, and follow it up with mechanism > extensions for different use-cases of different types of 'flow'. > > Thoughts? > > Rick > > On Wed, 2017-11-08 at 09:01 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> Henning, >> >> see below. >> >> On 11/08/2017 02:23 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: >>> Rick, Stan and me had also a discussion about this when talking >>> about >>> the "link ID" extension... >> >> I followed the thread (I think) -- I was hoping we'd get some good >> time >> in Singapore to discuss this - will you (and Rick+ Stan) be there? >> >>> >>> I proposed the idea that we use "link IDs" to define multiple >>> "versions" of a connection to the same target MAC address. This >>> would >>> also mean we could easily add a "this needs VLAN TOS x" or "this >>> needs >>> DSCP y" flag to a neighbor, which means we don't need to introduce >>> "sub-TLVs". >> >> I'm torn, the lid approach means a lot of added messaging to >> essentially >> provide queue index semantics - but I also like the generic concepts >> of >> LIDS (although I personally think LID length should be fixed per >> session, not per spec.) >> >> Given that lids are so immature, I don't think we should hold up >> pause. >> Let's get it done and out there, and *if* we come up with something >> better in a year or two we can deprecate pause. >> >> Lou >> >>> >>> Henning Rogge >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Lou Berger >>> wrote: >>>> Rick (all), >>>> >>>> When we last talked (ietf99, see >>>> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-99-manet). I >>>> think we >>>> agreed that draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-01 captured >>>> your >>>> current thinking on "containers".  Are you still happy with the >>>> draft, >>>> or do you think there is some change needed?  If the latter, >>>> obviously >>>> let us know what change you'd like to see. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> manet mailing list >>>> manet@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> From nobody Wed Nov 8 07:03:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979C9126557 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 07:03:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: 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8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eCS4L-00128z-U7 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net (fs2.dc.labn.net) [100.15.86.101]:54582 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 12 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:19:15 -0000 Hi Rick, See below On 11/08/2017 10:02 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Lou, > > Comments inline... > > On Wed, 2017-11-08 at 09:41 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> Rick, >> >> Thanks for the comments.  See below for responses in-line. >> >> On 11/08/2017 09:18 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: >>> Hi Lou, Bow-Nan. >>> >>> Thanks for doing this work, but I have a concern, but it might >>> indicate >>> a lack of understanding of your intentions for this extension. >>> >>> From my perspective, DLEP provides "near realtime" information >>> about >>> the state of links between destinations, so for example if the >>> latency >>> of the link changes, the updated latency metric is reported in a >>> Destination Update message from modem to router. >>> >>> If your intention with this draft is to supply a mechanism to allow >>> a >>> modem to report a rapidly fluctuating link latency (more than once >>> per >>> second) at a lower rate, i.e. "This link is flapping fast between X >>> and >>> Y ms" and report this every second with different X and Y, then I >>> see >>> the point (although I don't want to use that modem). >>> >>> If your intention with this draft is to supply a mechanism to allow >>> a >>> modem to report a min and max latency for the link *once* (or very >>> infrequently) at Destination Up, then I oppose it.  If this is the >>> case >>> I would suggest that the modem reporting Latency when it is known, >>> and >>> the router recording the min and max as it is reported is how DLEP >>> was >>> designed to be used. >> >> My limited understanding is that certain types of radios will deliver >> different latencies per frame delivered and that a single latency >> value >> doesn't make sense for these radios.  Also this range does change >> based >> on the state of the radio (network). > > Aah, okay. I'm not quite sure what on earth those devices are doing, > but is it related to different types of traffic have different > latencies (I have kit like this)? If this is the case, perhaps a > single Latency per queue is a better approach than a banded latency? I'm not the radio guy here, so can't answer for sure, but I was told a single latency doesn't make sense only a range does and the radio will know what the range is. It seems to me, that it would be better to have the radio tell the router what it knows explicitly rather than the router having to infer it. Lou > >> >>> >>> My other query, which I raised at the mic in Chicago, was why this >>> extension only covers Latency.  Lou's response was that if people >>> want >>> the same functionality for a different metric, a new extension can >>> be >>> written. >> >> Actually - my point was that unless you require an implementation to >> support all metrics, the use of ranges needs to be negotiated per >> metric >> - which means there is an extension (value) per metric.  So, to me >> this >> means there's little value in covering all metrics here and that if >> someone what's it per metric they can define it. Also give 2^16 DI >> types >> I see little value in having a common format with two levels of >> parsing >> it implies (DI=generic metric range, Metric Type=Metric type vs DI - >> metric specific range). >> >> I still have this opinion.  Of course, if the WG wants ranges for all >> types, so be it and we'll document it as such.  I still will advocate >> for a type specific DI in this case BTW. >> >>>  I however suggest that it might be simpler to generalize the >>> data item in this extension to something like: >>> >>>        >>> 0                   1                   2                   3 >>>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 >>> 0 1 >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>>       | Data Item Type (TBD2)         | >>> Length                        | >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>>       | Metric Data Item Type (this DI type of the metric min/max) >>>    : >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>>       |                        Maximum >>> Value                          : >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>>       :                        Maximum Value (if >>> 64bit)               | >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>>       |                        Minimum >>> Value                          : >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>>       :                        Minimum Value (if >>> 64bit)               | >>>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>> +-+-+ >>> >>> The advantage of doing it this way would be that any metrics in >>> future >>> extensions could immediately have a "Min/Max" extension data item. >> >> yes, but it's use would still need to be covered by an extension so I >> still don't see a win. >> >> something for discussion Next week... > > Absolutely, and it would be nice to hear others opinions on this! > > Cheers, > > Rick > From nobody Wed Nov 8 13:05:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E050129B42 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=idirect.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8ik3Oq9dWCM for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-00229401.pphosted.com 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bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [manet] in progress versions of DLEP extensions X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 00:17:54 -0000 If you want to take a look at the latest in-progress revs of the extensions we've been discussing today -- take a look at https://github.com/louberger/dlep-extensions or for formatted revs: Credit: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii Latency: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/latency/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii Multi-hop: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/multi-hop/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii Pause: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/pause/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii The only substantive change is to make the Credit Control message processing symmetric... (the comment was old, but didn't make it in before the deadline.) Lou (and coauthors) From nobody Thu Nov 9 04:03:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E030112EC8E for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 04:03:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCveAytXD8TK for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 04:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x22d.google.com (mail-qt0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BBCD1300E8 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 04:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id z50so7264905qtj.4 for ; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 04:03:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rzKmga8SE7VDxyxkaKJc7kfvbFFjqqNRpBENE9sQhvU=; b=rq1836pQNVw5XetDeAPDWMznp3Z4RxTckClkJu5YIeT+dloIqx84aQMewyBQBe0uJa 4sRImO2lFDSFP7HvUME9bctSgNLmhEtVSY1ZbgZfSm7Glr7r30qVOFBgom0kP2Lzw8ne Ih8s0Atvp9/SM0YWthgyuzdwZrSLfxpU8oNcUNtf4k5J/AQPOzVuMmJmMHwI9/j5SlYt S6sWnGST4T1mGD3PTTC/BHJ3qP3+G2nUr16artcrTzyISSePpw5KbJcMKHSX1S71ect6 WoAXfhAzxzfcDYOWM2Ffj6MHc//eYs6TGro3Dj3iMqSyaTQIPe8KTEaXxDQz13qBF7Ly Fgvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rzKmga8SE7VDxyxkaKJc7kfvbFFjqqNRpBENE9sQhvU=; b=V374T4ZvbqpKRe4507VeEyhVLyCb9g0XSgNSPzu/XWgYNXloTmpG1MYMhsVOasG5ML GXlRj+geUUcvTGpeeDP6FLiIpXheZKNcaS4dnkjSHCA90VxajI0JtibEAQh3i414YxK2 Ur4qj8VoeGI674K/y+MXmZXY9O0Cu+g8wgHIktiQmqtQmWhBJfu7gvbWprewmAvRhITl Bnc06tkxhwY/IMwS6qRzq+Gz0+VwPKKWHkqTJU6UmAijFlJ9CCi46L5N61F0hO5deJQr fFPYFK0ju8Y9C04EQKkvh8zsNxIMITYo3L/KoxL7XWA2KDMo165SxTtwajYAfYiQt9Q/ QBTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5gJa1GRqZd1jXEBYQoZjuWtAN+8Wcgqxb6YYyNy9fqt2OUQTYK 3xDjMBli//zKFnCTcmoPXmT1lCs2vW5MYGI6ysE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMY5z2cyWKiY3cw4dV059oBxHQIv2FbK0ZOWVtjwQ9tY49SYD4Q1l5aAcMZIrKdvJeQV7CrHOZzVkMCIHjCvNso= X-Received: by 10.200.27.43 with SMTP id y40mr328209qtj.147.1510229006304; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 04:03:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.144 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 04:02:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <81a45eeb-d5c5-d316-4524-2baa1efc9ac4@labn.net> References: <9fe45b7b-7d4a-1ff8-09b2-9d0048326081@labn.net> <1510151671.2149.11.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> <81a45eeb-d5c5-d316-4524-2baa1efc9ac4@labn.net> From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: Rick Taylor , "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] next version of pause extension X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 12:03:34 -0000 On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > I really view Pause and Credit as having different use cases. The first > is fairly simple to implement but is likely to be inefficient, i.e., > result in periods of time when the link is idle. The second is far more > powerful and complex to implement, but is likely to be more efficient > *and* allow a smart router to make more sophisticated decisions based on > window sizes. Unfortunately Pause (at least with Linux) is not that great to use... it works with some cards, it doesn't works with different cards and sometimes it behaves strange. We experimented with it but have yet to test it combined with VLAN TOS IDs. Unfortunately I have yet to find a good way to implement something like the credit extension without extending the Linux Kernel, so this is even worse to implement. (Tips and Hints welcome!) 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I think the last version we discussed had both the ability to open "new namespaces" for links that don't have real MAC addresses and allow multiple "versions/flows/types" of neighbors to the same MAC address, e.g. to announce two different QoS classes to the same neighbor. 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Sun, 12 Nov 2017 08:56:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: manet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151050578647.30922.14809688093789592753@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 08:56:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension-03.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:56:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. Title : DLEP DiffServ Aware Credit Windowing Extension Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng David Wiggins Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension-03.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2017-11-12 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables a DiffServ aware credit-windowing scheme for destination-specific and shared flow control. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Nov 12 08:56:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietf.org Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34089129473; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: manet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 08:56:46 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:56:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-11-12 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable modems. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Nov 12 09:02:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD0B1200F3 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id liHcvHPFkXgc for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF727120046 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMOut01 (unknown [10.0.90.82]) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514CF140576 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:01:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id Z51t1w00h2SSUrH0151wMC; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:01:57 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=K4VSJ2eI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=bt8Zh30PAAAA:8 a=qOFMguJYZ7ByzS5L6wAA:9 a=_NYsIzP5R9yN1wRp:21 a=cXvc8BT93bjhg-Ic:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2oNxypaFqbJ1IJjy6eNng/5o15ml6EeY1xYxXpOc3B8=; b=zELi6Nt2EAf/Vv6Gfd1+KD8w+w fpnfhcGa0ncUJZ+TOvnO18U9Zk3qF2sAE+xPLmkcQzncx4ls9M1TTREg5GnDi0S7z6SCi28hrD1oc Bvx6g8tD4oQ66OreO0HbUHzMy; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:43936 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1eDvdp-0035Dj-2D for manet@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:01:53 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: MANET WG References: Message-ID: <4773930d-872a-315d-ff3c-e0e35079009d@labn.net> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 01:01:49 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eDvdp-0035Dj-2D X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:43936 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] in progress versions of DLEP extensions X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 17:01:59 -0000 I just posted an update to the multi-hop draft (addresses Hennings comment on use of link characterization message) and credit (addressing David W's comment/previous discussion on making credit control messages symmetric.) Lou On 11/9/2017 8:17 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > If you want to take a look at the latest in-progress revs of the > extensions we've been discussing today -- take a look at > https://github.com/louberger/dlep-extensions > > or for formatted revs: > > Credit: > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii > > Latency: > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/latency/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii > > Multi-hop: > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/multi-hop/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii > > Pause: > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/louberger/dlep-extensions/master/pause/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension.xml&modeAsFormat=html%2Fascii > > The only substantive change is to make the Credit Control message > processing symmetric... (the comment was old, but didn't make it in > before the deadline.) > > Lou (and coauthors) > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > From nobody Sun Nov 12 23:54:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3455E12008A for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:54:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6FlPAxz3Rk7I for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tropicalstormsoftware.com (mail.tropicalstormsoftware.com [188.94.42.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9840127871 for ; 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Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:21:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.144 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:21:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1510559616.2255.37.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> References: <1510559616.2255.37.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:21:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rick Taylor Cc: "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] DLEP LID Extension X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:21:46 -0000 On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > All, > > I have just posted an updated version of DLEP Link Identifiers (LID) > Extension: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dlep-lid/ > > What's new in this version is that the new Data Item does not replace > the MAC Address Data Item, but complement it. So this could be "orthogonal" to a potential "queue identifier" TLV, which could be useful for flow control or service classes? Henning Rogge From nobody Mon Nov 13 23:52:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216CC12946F for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:51:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7T5NUzfHbx3Z for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x234.google.com (mail-qk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BC71128B27 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 78so22976745qkz.0 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:51:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WW1NVvTXSBMgSFKDdS0tMPfsfb1WPMFexA/uylsqN3Q=; b=Z8/7R/1H520+oEVGzoW682xCHczDcQqAO1gZ8toT8OT4CjwtI2zjRaJ4uXPIt6sMba L7VhGLUdvcwH1Y0PXI1TYNYAdU2/i3pjaTm018EbVbk08xwWWrm8CHBeNqUAezOOUYh6 yHww1qUo8nk1D5YDRhGu2Hexo5pV8M9pMZz1J+YS8DrZoEgYNx+5TnWJEhYRxBDb33Q7 Bxy65NVfGKkqG+R1jmjWptz9Lnmy6w3wR89BftPWMQjDj8PIAguRHBiYfEkflrTNCh85 3phmZv7hWwl9Gl5L02T4ETL4brqvcgVlzZfi8Hv6e/woirVaTivG4BG6qw426NwOwSpa pWmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WW1NVvTXSBMgSFKDdS0tMPfsfb1WPMFexA/uylsqN3Q=; b=E0wNqsPpJd1+3dRnaSLhPXwKVKI4sasUTntj9z0bNmDMrlBmjlBd9di+4CmNMHMddv wQu53lbz17iMi15jVBXXmqTpANwwjNgYFP8/CkFoze/7+RTw6Uk76Zhu5rHIFBQXOz2/ o+j5nYHX6OfXldPEa6xxkCx6XtzLKJMvcn1fx5BPt+0Ri8S0Ntg90Is9rPfLsrtf90n5 aXyvpWB+Wx5trsFaTkAbX0VN2vt/imq+EOo3yJM1uaNuqyCi13MCohqDqNdyV+wx3Mea ursJbKCoUzK/U5q/Kpcrw/MSg7NQpZQxpkMGVmbQQGayXqUZrpxMYr7ay8GIW0vZXCkJ tUBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6cToI91EpDI9J1h6dbadE1agarQ7+7acHDxIU+2EITBOV2LBbh +Uc6aoUQ2h0z3paG75RR+2SK79ijMQ1nQHpvcA/iJg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbrfJ+8Ha5H6PW9wkrEhoDfpwEMSYTI+UI2jsNDrpi0LtPGG8K1wU8aR4O2/1Tx02VGDd69S+zSZVk1xLzdyGg= X-Received: by 10.55.46.3 with SMTP id u3mr17294675qkh.340.1510645916204; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:51:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.144 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:51:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:51:25 +0100 Message-ID: To: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:51:59 -0000 I wonder if should have a "request channel characteristics" message to allow the user to change the behavior of the Session, similar to the "request link characteristics" message. Henning Rogge On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:56 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. > > Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension > Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng > Lou Berger > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2017-11-12 > > Abstract: > This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables > the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable > modems. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Tue Nov 14 01:15:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E6112008A for ; 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Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:55:53 -0500 Received: from vausditchmc3.idirect.net ([fe80::a089:5025:3057:5d51]) by vausditchmc3.idirect.net ([fe80::a089:5025:3057:5d51%13]) with mapi id 15.01.1034.026; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:55:52 -0500 From: "Ratliff, Stanley" To: Henning Rogge , MANET IETF Thread-Topic: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHTW9dK03b3NNPwd0aB3Ggs6aI2taMT1uCAgAAy/PA= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:55:52 +0000 Message-ID: <2959a04d9226461c804d04dd8d9a4292@idirect.net> References: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.250.251.20] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-11-14_07:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outboundspam_notspam policy=outboundspam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1709140000 definitions=main-1711140216 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:55:59 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henning Rogge > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:51 AM > To: MANET IETF > Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extensio= n- > 02.txt >=20 > I wonder if should have a "request channel characteristics" message to al= low > the user to change the behavior of the Session, similar to the "request l= ink > characteristics" message. >=20 Wouldn't the channel be a "characteristic" of the link? What I mean by that= is - should we look a whole new message, or new data items describing the = channel to add to LCR? Regards, Stan > Henning Rogge >=20 > On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:56 PM, wrote: > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension > > Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng > > Lou Berger > > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.= txt > > Pages : 10 > > Date : 2017-11-12 > > > > Abstract: > > This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables > > the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable > > modems. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf. > > org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dmanet-2Ddlep-2Dmulti-2Dhop- > 2Dextension_&d=3DDwICA > > g&c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSxQl0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK- > eUsbLW5r8KZAL9L_yqNON1dbKtMa-Wbxn > > > a8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oGNjsk&s=3DxbiNgu8fv5 > -qBdl-xWO > > GfftYJsd5fkJyy9eDzAzoXQw&e=3D > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_ht > > ml_draft-2Dietf-2Dmanet-2Ddlep-2Dmulti-2Dhop-2Dextension- > 2D02&d=3DDwICAg > > &c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSxQl0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK- > eUsbLW5r8KZAL9L_yqNON1dbKtMa-Wbxna > > > 8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oGNjsk&s=3DzfnGTDaSRN > sE9RgeWvZU > > nmgR7-vcP-dLniigRIL9lbs&e=3D > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf. > > org_doc_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dmanet-2Ddlep-2Dmulti-2Dhop-2Dextension- > 2D0 > > 2&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSxQl0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK- > eUsbLW5r8KZAL9L_yqNON1db > > KtMa- > Wbxna8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oGNjsk&s=3DQCn4 > jkJOmR > > 0822Ysd96UosxliiK5dGumTMW-y-Pw3QY&e=3D > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_rfcd > > iff-3Furl2-3Ddraft-2Dietf-2Dmanet-2Ddlep-2Dmulti-2Dhop-2Dextension- > 2D0 > > 2&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSxQl0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK- > eUsbLW5r8KZAL9L_yqNON1db > > KtMa- > Wbxna8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oGNjsk&s=3DOT9E > UKnRND > > ec4g9Wtw2OsUTm1qL4hSMRpY_8xJe99ek&e=3D > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.i= etf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dftp-3A__ftp.ietf.org_intern > > et-2Ddrafts_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSxQl0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK- > eUsbLW5r8KZAL > > 9L_yqNON1dbKtMa- > Wbxna8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oGNjsk&s > > =3DqUU7s7BTDSzsFrs6OgxRXVh4hZRYqEM_hcIS4xFGUec&e=3D > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mail > > man_listinfo_manet&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSxQl0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK- > eUsbLW5 > > r8KZAL9L_yqNON1dbKtMa- > Wbxna8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oG > > Njsk&s=3Dj4d9yj0FQdfUmLCP8b9SQNZwgLeXFW15337XKwaHf0E&e=3D >=20 > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_manet&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLlUvidvlhStGUSx > Ql0giOA&r=3DQzgCKlK-eUsbLW5r8KZAL9L_yqNON1dbKtMa- > Wbxna8&m=3DVlMAeuuKQeUdLGkFVIYvVZzQvp2W6YfCLor55oGNjsk&s=3Dj4d9y > j0FQdfUmLCP8b9SQNZwgLeXFW15337XKwaHf0E&e=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This electronic message and any files transmitted with it contains information from iDirect, which may be privileged, proprietary and/or confidential. 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Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:55:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.175 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:54:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1510713357.1993.9.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> References: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> <2959a04d9226461c804d04dd8d9a4292@idirect.net> <1510710472.1993.2.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> <1510713357.1993.9.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rick Taylor Cc: "sratliff@idirect.net" , "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:55:03 -0000 The "Link Characteristic Request" message has a mandatory MAC item, which means it can only be used for neighbor specific requests. I think if the router has to ask for a "change" of the whole session (and not for a specific neighbor) we should introduce a new message type. Henning On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Clarification inline... > > On Wed, 2017-11-15 at 01:47 +0000, Rick Taylor wrote: >> On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 15:55 +0000, Ratliff, Stanley wrote: >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henning >> > > Rogge >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:51 AM >> > > To: MANET IETF >> > > Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop- >> > > extension- >> > > 02.txt >> > > >> > > I wonder if should have a "request channel characteristics" >> > > message >> > > to allow >> > > the user to change the behavior of the Session, similar to the >> > > "request link >> > > characteristics" message. >> > > >> > >> > Wouldn't the channel be a "characteristic" of the link? What I mean >> > by that is - should we look a whole new message, or new data items >> > describing the channel to add to LCR? >> >> Yes. > > Yes, I think Link Characteristics Request message is the right message. > > No, we don't need a new message. > > Rick From nobody Wed Nov 15 02:25:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DA5129447 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:25:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_XBL=0.375, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NeB-crI5IZDe for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tropicalstormsoftware.com (mail.tropicalstormsoftware.com [188.94.42.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D872D126CE8 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com ([fe80::753b:fa82:5c0:af0d]) by tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com ([fe80::753b:fa82:5c0:af0d%10]) with mapi; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:24:56 +0000 From: Rick Taylor To: Henning Rogge CC: Stan Ratliff , "manet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHTW9dU/UrYnzpCUEKCsJbd9pM26qMTgw6AgACHWwCAAKVnAIAADW+AgABIPICAADrMyA== Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:24:55 +0000 Message-ID: <38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F9801D3237830@tss-server1.home.tropicalstormsoftware.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F9801D3237830tssserver1hom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:25:27 -0000 --_000_38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F9801D3237830tssserver1hom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That I would suggest was the purpose of the Session Update Message. Which u= nlike the Destination Update has a corresponding Response message. Rick (Sent from my phone) ----- Reply message ----- From: "Henning Rogge" To: "Rick Taylor" Cc: "sratliff@idirect.net" , "manet@ietf.org" Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.t= xt Date: Wed, Nov 15, 2017 14:55 The "Link Characteristic Request" message has a mandatory MAC item, which means it can only be used for neighbor specific requests. I think if the router has to ask for a "change" of the whole session (and not for a specific neighbor) we should introduce a new message type. Henning On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Clarification inline... > > On Wed, 2017-11-15 at 01:47 +0000, Rick Taylor wrote: >> On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 15:55 +0000, Ratliff, Stanley wrote: >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henning >> > > Rogge >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:51 AM >> > > To: MANET IETF >> > > Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop- >> > > extension- >> > > 02.txt >> > > >> > > I wonder if should have a "request channel characteristics" >> > > message >> > > to allow >> > > the user to change the behavior of the Session, similar to the >> > > "request link >> > > characteristics" message. >> > > >> > >> > Wouldn't the channel be a "characteristic" of the link? What I mean >> > by that is - should we look a whole new message, or new data items >> > describing the channel to add to LCR? >> >> Yes. > > Yes, I think Link Characteristics Request message is the right message. > > No, we don't need a new message. > > Rick --_000_38A5475DE83986499AEACD2CFAFC3F9801D3237830tssserver1hom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That I would suggest was the purpose of the Session U= pdate Message. Which unlike the Destination Update has a corresponding Resp= onse message.

Rick

(Sent from my ph= one)

----- Reply message ----= -
From: "Henning Rogge" <hrogge@gmail.com>
To: "= Rick Taylor" <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com>
Cc: "sratl= iff@idirect.net" <sratliff@idirect.net>, "manet@ietf.org&qu= ot; <manet@ietf.org>
Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet= -dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt
Date: Wed, Nov 15, 2017 14:55

T= he "Link Characteristic Request" message has a mandatory MAC item= ,
which means it can only be used for neighbor specific requests.

I think if the router has to ask for a "change" of the whole sess= ion
(and not for a specific neighbor) we should introduce a new message
type.

Henning

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Rick Taylor
<rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> wrote:
> Clarification inline...
>
> On Wed, 2017-11-15 at 01:47 +0000, Rick Taylor wrote:
>> On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 15:55 +0000, Ratliff, Stanley wrote:
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: manet [m= ailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henning
>> > > Rogge
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:51 AM
>> > > To: MANET IETF <manet@ietf.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-m= ulti-hop-
>> > > extension-
>> > > 02.txt
>> > >
>> > > I wonder if should have a "request channel characte= ristics"
>> > > message
>> > > to allow
>> > > the user to change the behavior of the Session, similar = to the
>> > > "request link
>> > > characteristics" message.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Wouldn't the channel be a "characteristic" of the l= ink? What I mean
>> > by that is - should we look a whole new message, or new data = items
>> > describing the channel to add to LCR?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Yes, I think Link Characteristics Request message is the right message= .
>
> No, we don't need a new message.
>
> Rick
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Which > unlike the Destination Update has a corresponding Response message. I always thought that the difference of "Destination Update" and "Request Link Characteristic" is that the first sets a value that the originator of the message is responsible for and the second asks the other side if it could maybe reconfigure... That's why I thought about a "Request Channel/Interface Characteristic", to mirror the "I would like something like this" mechanic for the interface. 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Yes,= the answer is probably a QueueId dataitem to discriminate between the egre= ss queues on the local modem, but there still needs to be a "These are my q= ueues" announcement (complex), and even then I'm not sure that covers all t= he potential use-cases! > > Are we discussing: lets assume we have an additional TLV called "queue id" which carriers a numeric identifier similar to the current LID. > * The local modem classifies egress traffic into more than one egress que= ue, *no matter* what destination it goes to? In which case the metrics are= {per-Destination,per-Queue}, and the control is per-Queue Each neighbor would announce the same queue-id per "traffic class". Flow control would refer to this flow-ids. e.g.: neighbor 1, traffic class 1: queue-id 1 neighbor 1, traffic class 2: queue-id 2 neighbor 2, traffic class 1: queue-id 1 neighbor 2, traffic class 2: queue-id 2 flow control could be done by defining parameters for queue-id 1 or queue-i= d 2. > * The local modem maintains one egress queue for each destination? In whi= ch case we have metrics per-Queue and control per-Queue, but some kind of Q= ueue-to-Destination mapping. Each neighbor would announce the a different queue-id per "traffic class". Flow control would refer to this flow-ids. e.g.: neighbor 1, traffic class 1: queue-id 1 neighbor 1, traffic class 2: queue-id 2 neighbor 2, traffic class 1: queue-id 3 neighbor 2, traffic class 2: queue-id 4 flow control could be done by defining parameters for flow-id 1 to 4. The "flow control for whole interface" would just become the special case where everyone is "queue-id 0" (the default value if the queue-id TLV is missing). This mechanics would also give us the option to have a special "broadcast" queue but still group all unicast together. What do you think? > One thing that is starting to crystalize in my mind is that it's all abou= t transmit queues, any receive queueing that occurs should be transparent t= o the DLEP session for simplicity's sake. yes, flow control is mostly interesting at the bottleneck... unless we assume a radio faster than the ethernet, we don't have a bottleneck for receiving queues. 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We are working with out own LTE basestations at our institute, so I am aware of "syncing" with my (more LTE familiar) co-workers... but some other people might not think about it. Henning On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Rex Buddenberg wrote: > private note > > Henning, it sounds like you're trying to repeat what IEEE 802.16 does, > in a more generalized environment. > There are about four dozen MAC messages in .16. They are not > visible above layer 2 (at least normally). Ranging messages, bandwidth > requests, etc, etc. Suggest looking over the shoulder there might be > useful. > (802.16 is essentially the progenitor of TIA LTE). > > Help? > > b > > > On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 08:51 +0100, Henning Rogge wrote: >> I wonder if should have a "request channel characteristics" message >> to >> allow the user to change the behavior of the Session, similar to the >> "request link characteristics" message. >> >> Henning Rogge >> >> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:56 PM, wrote: >> > >> > >> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> > directories. >> > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the >> > IETF. >> > >> > Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension >> > Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng >> > Lou Berger >> > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop- >> > extension-02.txt >> > Pages : 10 >> > Date : 2017-11-12 >> > >> > Abstract: >> > This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that >> > enables >> > the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP >> > capable >> > modems. >> > >> > >> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-ex >> > tension/ >> > >> > There are also htmlized versions available at: >> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extensi >> > on-02 >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-h >> > op-extension-02 >> > >> > A diff from the previous version is available at: >> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-e >> > xtension-02 >> > >> > >> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> > submission >> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at >> > tools.ietf.org. >> > >> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > manet mailing list >> > manet@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --=-396Psgk83tphtkyhH02v-- From nobody Thu Nov 16 03:11:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966341270AC for ; 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Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:11:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.183.149 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Victoria Pritchard Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:11:32 +0800 Message-ID: To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f95b0c0ad0e055e17aec1" Archived-At: Subject: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:11:35 -0000 --001a113f95b0c0ad0e055e17aec1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi everyone, Meeting notes are on the etherpad link https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-100-manet?useMonospaceFont=true I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be more to come. 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Hi everyone,

Meeting notes are on the e= therpad link

I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be more to come.=

Regards,
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--001a113f95b0c0ad0e055e17aec1-- From nobody Thu Nov 16 03:46:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CF412946B for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:46:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YhidLvzWdTzP for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x22b.google.com (mail-qt0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 016E8129464 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id u42so18908883qte.7 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:46:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pPE2Z9B341gNUw7qbirTlGLYs/sjOI21IO5ljlahDpQ=; b=La/Ta2/kAZhYnLWt+m+zUlyCmM9IgqOuEZ9tM0cgCUI9ZBQz0/KRdkYKtj5nR1XB3W Ak6w2yWPvlYUPaBnhoI+vrcyhdYOtgb+Brs4NA8ma2HkuWUoB4SC4dpeblQ9WPJV0YKL RJkbOYYve8IxUg4wYjLealrHBdv2iZgxntjmk/6hZKJ5ZU9n1NYcUkwANiDjsBognpej uBJPYKjxoWDU61nm0IyZ1/YXLRA4n20GlI7dG4Hps1XyPLt94mDF/koMvtmLcP/w76jV 61GdkzdY2YbDrij3q/4qp6oCzJbazYST9MW+ONgFQzKXzppPmMCeV9XuZ4tN1e1u9GE3 tKag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pPE2Z9B341gNUw7qbirTlGLYs/sjOI21IO5ljlahDpQ=; b=Ky/T6KIob1pRh7R/6yhEvpPldzpchq/d2/Lud7T1lzkf4Ecsk58C2vZDWuwnw5UwLz em8uRJaXaj3gfbRHkuGIQB5WwHkJhBRPUdGAK2qXVNrprC12wRKMBIm0jJDvQFApXY5j LNfJNvSqeqCoVLCQY9CMfg6tKcf/79iN3cVSLGQyVor5FHezxUQUvJJD0V6V3qMlh5r+ QqBAC/haA5S7OK/acHACsna4OwkUiLjS/Cr1eL78IFLEmiqDA0obSaYFCVP0KuJbyyKq cikjR1nynO0iI+rN96ULa/KWFRIKNUVHSIwCI5a7Uwe48hAkX1nXlW8eFcauyrdOtD8h LdHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX78qiiM5aKv2L8u10djOAb58WyfORYbIJGn260iPpuPiyybLjED 54wGCLP/PzMInJ1YCf4i3pGp25lvLizxeVN+YK2XXg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZrpFdqNVc1gYz0YbNsRujWGkLiUPKZdse9A0wnS8cxTa+SBlbUvwFVpQQnFjUonMQp61LnPceQiGKffOQFcus= X-Received: by 10.237.35.181 with SMTP id j50mr1963828qtc.96.1510832806868; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:46:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.63.181 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 12:46:16 +0100 Message-ID: To: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [manet] Link-ID length X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:46:50 -0000 To continue the discussion that started at the IETF-meeting about the Link-ID draft... what is a good length for a Link-ID? currently the draft suggest 4 bytes, but I agree that 4 bytes is not that much. It might be a bit waste, but I would suggest increasing the length to 16 bytes... why? Because it is long enough for practically all kind of addresses (EUI-64, IPv6) and can also store a UUID. it also has enough space to combine smaller values, e.g. LTE cell-id and ue-id (together more than 4 bytes). Having a variable length LID can be an implementation challenge, because it prevents you to store a database item (including its LID) in a fixed size memory block. Yes, it is possible but I would prefer a fixed length LID. So what does the rest of the working group think about the LID length? 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charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] Adoption for dlep-lid extension X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:45:01 -0000 +1 for the adoption of the draft... it is a good step forward to generalize quite a few new concepts, some of them necessary for layer-3 radios. Henning Rogge On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Hi All, > > Can I ask on list for WG adoption for the dlep-lid draft? > > Cheers, > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Fri Nov 17 05:12:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86086127058 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZSAMpz3Gc8s for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A481126CB6 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id p44so5812450qtj.6 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:12:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ufro3IuBEoKzqVc1hQXs2foak4pVV6cZOwwN4y5P+fE=; b=bIz8lMNvVoavYzgstuVc9qufQSG8C7mP5m51I4AplAKZ/bwQ0HuCWQX5HMoPJAkAEZ J0BJwkyDZSRGVKl8OVozoxkrJkSvPHSW8o7xDipZr8K5e7WB++6wfJ9aBYSS6Glf/zHP sVSByNeMFPlSdung+cRqw4AQUMBBjRLivOtaLRgxVGy91VDZHaCqEpJvyRLGieUZeRkm Co0maynkJTmwbHaO/7hk5IDeGBfKr8riilDr2+V0GHZFHmS5pfpb99t79jz1fq+jo/p/ exH4rKg8vIoM1fQ43EY9EeaH4l9JLFAyleT26tRHBFfFEOJ5gtk9AvLVzUKM6c4zI2pA sDcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ufro3IuBEoKzqVc1hQXs2foak4pVV6cZOwwN4y5P+fE=; b=J0wvUNEDfF2PwaKLIGMjv0GQOD1R+wrJwnQXzlOfyajo6Tg4n7zCYE3/aawm8JEfvE Pd/kSGyBjEwcliXIXv22XPrRn0RCdeHQPHozfm4wHAkccJwEfBA84HJ11Xf1oOGDwbdH 8SymRorWPt4ICluVPF5YLoqB0OormC97BsYDo4I6wCxscvuph2lXjsPevk5r9B5p4PM1 E0cRlQmI9awXIj0l1XKKkn12vN9Hgc7oOuEA2hjyaYKozSn5v2mXABKQYGuRNu76ZkN2 ANtS8+NtfQttf7/eC5mwYxklfdp9vHJHTFxfIUTPeNlHmVrWb0JtP4y9I29L0qlpyG0i jnMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5iL/MbvLNIx2s4m95SVRJvzHMeJSPdGAOK133Bvp8aG0Usbd8b 2nCDIBpXRbwmOEOI4QRHqb42+0rsgyDvPT4DzXBZZw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZfAIo4mrH+xd4/Z16bDwOy+hqFUZwFc7rBPBuW0Ec4Mwmc4VJIep23DUbO0jVreEJxLynxlKpYrUXyynzCqTc= X-Received: by 10.200.52.232 with SMTP id x37mr8348556qtb.287.1510924354476; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:12:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.9.53 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:12:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1510888147.1815.5.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> References: <1510888147.1815.5.camel@tropicalstormsoftware.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rick Taylor Cc: "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] Link-ID length X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:12:37 -0000 On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Hi All, > > Link Id length is one of those things that we have discussed before, in > which each use-case wants a different length, and so a variable (but > consistent) length needs to be negotiated at session start. Is there a good use-case for more than 16 bytes? I mean more bytes available for LID than you need should never be a problem. 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[82.132.230.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s195sm4201137wmb.33.2017.11.22.02.38.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:38:57 -0800 (PST) References: From: Christopher Dearlove Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9FC944A8-9B7A-4AA1-8124-B0F0C57F7B6E X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:38:51 +0000 To: manet@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:39:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9FC944A8-9B7A-4AA1-8124-B0F0C57F7B6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still watching things here, though unfunded to attend meetings. Obviously my main interest is in the OLSRv2 suite, and there I might note th= at we now have all RFCs, no Internet Drafts, with the publication of RFC 824= 5. I've got a slide somewhere showing the main inter-relationships of the 25= RFCs that make up this work (everything the group has done except 2501, the= original four experimental protocols, and DLEP), 15 of which I'm an author o= f, beaten by Thomas Clausen at 19.=20 To my mind, the most important thing is use, and getting reports on use. Obv= iously that applies to the experimental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and 7859, bu= t even more so the basic specification 7181 (and its updates). There's some r= eporting in the literature of community networks - though I'm not sure to wh= at extent they are using pure OLSRv2, rather than older modified OLSRv1. But= beyond that, I'd like to know more for a variety of reasons. That some of t= hat use might be military may not help, but shouldn't be an impossible barri= er. And of course there might be material I've overlooked. It's real use, ra= ther than simulations, that I'd be after. Reports of use - what works, what doesn't (if anything) I think are key to a= ny further progress. We can create speculative extensions (to some extent mu= ltitopology is that, although the ability to extend to that I seem to recall= being important in earlier acceptance by at least one person) but we need t= o know first about base protocol use. Having said that, some obvious areas that could be taken further are multica= st, some more security issues, some use of DTN concepts, hybrid/policy-based= protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several of which there is work on - I= 've looked at most of those, and I know others have too). But to build any o= f those on firm foundations, I go back to needing to know how (if) the main p= rotocol is being used. (I'd also note that there is some undocumented - we keep trying, but other w= ork intervenes - material largely in the authors' heads about why some thing= s are as they are, and some less obvious things you can already do but may n= ot have spotted.) With regard to the OLSRv2 maintenance side of the group I think that - docum= ented experience to build on - is the priority. Anyone got any? -- =20 Christopher Dearlove christopher.dearlove@gmail.com > On 16 Nov 2017, at 11:11, Victoria Pritchard wrote= : >=20 > Hi everyone, >=20 > Meeting notes are on the etherpad link > https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-100-manet?useMonospaceFont=3D= true >=20 > I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be more to come.= >=20 > Regards, > Vicky. > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --Apple-Mail-9FC944A8-9B7A-4AA1-8124-B0F0C57F7B6E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm still watching things here, though= unfunded to attend meetings.

=
Obviously my main interest is in the OLSRv2 s= uite, and there I might note that we now have all RFCs, no Internet Drafts, w= ith the publication of RFC 8245. I've got a slide somewhere showing the main= inter-relationships of the 25 RFCs that make up this work (everything the g= roup has done except 2501, the original four experimental protocols, and DLE= P), 15 of which I'm an author of, beaten by Thomas Clausen at 19. 
<= br>To my mind, the most important thing is use, and getting reports on use. O= bviously that applies to the experimental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and 7859, b= ut even more so the basic specification 7181 (and its updates). There's some= reporting in the literature of community networks - though I'm not sure to w= hat extent they are using pure OLSRv2, rather than older modified OLSRv1. Bu= t beyond that, I'd like to know more for a variety of reasons. That some of t= hat use might be military may not help, but shouldn't be an impossible barri= er. And of course there might be material I've overlooked. It's real use, ra= ther than simulations, that I'd be after.

Reports of use - what works, what= doesn't (if anything) I think are key to any further progress. We can creat= e speculative extensions (to some extent multitopology is that, although the= ability to extend to that I seem to recall being important in earlier accep= tance by at least one person) but we need to know first about base protocol u= se.

Having said that, some obvious areas that could be taken further are mu= lticast, some more security issues, some use of DTN concepts, hybrid/policy-= based protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several of which there is work o= n - I've looked at most of those, and I know others have too). But to build a= ny of those on firm foundations, I go back to needing to know how (if) the m= ain protocol is being used.

(I'd also note that there is some undocumented -= we keep trying, but other work intervenes - material largely in the authors= ' heads about why some things are as they are, and some less obvious things y= ou can already do but may not have spotted.)

With regard to the OLSRv2 main= tenance side of the group I think that - documented experience to build on -= is the priority. Anyone got any?

--=  
Christopher Dearlove

On 1= 6 Nov 2017, at 11:11, Victoria Pritchard <pritchardv0@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Meeting note= s are on the etherpad link
I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be mor= e to come.

Regards,
Vicky.
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In addition to the multicast work (mostly independent of the OLSRv2 work) we have played around with the idea of implementing support for unicast links. One thing that we've found helps deployed networks is having extended timeouts for TC link information. I'd be interested in helping with a writeup about why things are the way they are and some best practices or hints on how to set parameters to attempt better performance. Justin Dean On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Christopher Dearlove < christopher.dearlove@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm still watching things here, though unfunded to attend meetings. > > Obviously my main interest is in the OLSRv2 suite, and there I might note > that we now have all RFCs, no Internet Drafts, with the publication of RFC > 8245. I've got a slide somewhere showing the main inter-relationships of > the 25 RFCs that make up this work (everything the group has done except > 2501, the original four experimental protocols, and DLEP), 15 of which I'm > an author of, beaten by Thomas Clausen at 19. > > To my mind, the most important thing is use, and getting reports on use. > Obviously that applies to the experimental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and > 7859, but even more so the basic specification 7181 (and its updates). > There's some reporting in the literature of community networks - though I'm > not sure to what extent they are using pure OLSRv2, rather than older > modified OLSRv1. But beyond that, I'd like to know more for a variety of > reasons. That some of that use might be military may not help, but > shouldn't be an impossible barrier. And of course there might be material > I've overlooked. It's real use, rather than simulations, that I'd be after. > > Reports of use - what works, what doesn't (if anything) I think are key to > any further progress. We can create speculative extensions (to some extent > multitopology is that, although the ability to extend to that I seem to > recall being important in earlier acceptance by at least one person) but we > need to know first about base protocol use. > > Having said that, some obvious areas that could be taken further are > multicast, some more security issues, some use of DTN concepts, > hybrid/policy-based protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several of which > there is work on - I've looked at most of those, and I know others have > too). But to build any of those on firm foundations, I go back to needing > to know how (if) the main protocol is being used. > > (I'd also note that there is some undocumented - we keep trying, but other > work intervenes - material largely in the authors' heads about why some > things are as they are, and some less obvious things you can already do but > may not have spotted.) > > With regard to the OLSRv2 maintenance side of the group I think that - > documented experience to build on - is the priority. Anyone got any? > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > christopher.dearlove@gmail.com > > On 16 Nov 2017, at 11:11, Victoria Pritchard > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Meeting notes are on the etherpad link > https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-100-manet? > useMonospaceFont=true > > I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be more to come. > > Regards, > Vicky. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --f403043a4108a141fb055e92ec7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's been our plate to release our OLSRv2 implementati= on for some time now.=C2=A0 In addition to the multicast work (mostly indep= endent of the OLSRv2 work) we have played around with the idea of implement= ing support for unicast links.=C2=A0 One thing that we've found helps d= eployed networks is having extended timeouts for TC link information.=C2=A0= I'd be interested in helping with a writeup about why things are the w= ay they are and some best practices or hints on how to set parameters to at= tempt better performance.

Justin Dean

On Wed, Nov 2= 2, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Christopher Dearlove <christopher.dearlov= e@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still watching things here, though unfunded to atte= nd meetings.

Obviously my main in= terest is in the OLSRv2 suite, and there I might note that we now have all = RFCs, no Internet Drafts, with the publication of RFC 8245. I've got a = slide somewhere showing the main inter-relationships of the 25 RFCs that ma= ke up this work (everything the group has done except 2501, the original fo= ur experimental protocols, and DLEP), 15 of which I'm an author of, bea= ten by Thomas Clausen at 19.=C2=A0

To my mind, the most important th= ing is use, and getting reports on use. Obviously that applies to the exper= imental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and 7859, but even more so the basic specif= ication 7181 (and its updates). There's some reporting in the literatur= e of community networks - though I'm not sure to what extent they are u= sing pure OLSRv2, rather than older modified OLSRv1. But beyond that, I'= ;d like to know more for a variety of reasons. That some of that use might = be military may not help, but shouldn't be an impossible barrier. And o= f course there might be material I've overlooked. It's real use, ra= ther than simulations, that I'd be after.

Reports of use - what works, what doesn't (if anything) I = think are key to any further progress. We can create speculative extensions= (to some extent multitopology is that, although the ability to extend to t= hat I seem to recall being important in earlier acceptance by at least one = person) but we need to know first about base protocol use.

Having said that, some obvious areas that could b= e taken further are multicast, some more security issues, some use of DTN c= oncepts, hybrid/policy-based protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several = of which there is work on - I've looked at most of those, and I know ot= hers have too). But to build any of those on firm foundations, I go back to= needing to know how (if) the main protocol is being used.

(I'd also note that there is some undocumente= d - we keep trying, but other work intervenes - material largely in the aut= hors' heads about why some things are as they are, and some less obviou= s things you can already do but may not have spotted.)

With regard to the OLSRv2 maintenance side of the gro= up I think that - documented experience to build on - is the priority. Anyo= ne got any?

-- = =C2=A0
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[82.132.230.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q13sm8659849wrg.97.2017.11.22.09.08.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:08:09 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BBF03F48-01CB-44EB-B312-E80E47EAE455 Message-Id: <13829376-350F-49A5-B2E3-415746E86E27@gmail.com> Cc: "manet@ietf.org" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) From: Christopher Dearlove Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:08:05 +0000 To: Justin Dean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:08:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail-BBF03F48-01CB-44EB-B312-E80E47EAE455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We've also done work on unicast links, but I didn't put it on my list as the= re are some real downsides to it (and that's ignoring the issues that L2 mig= ht not work). Essentially you either need feedback via another route (in whi= ch case why not use that other route?) or you are operating blind. We did so= mething that was a bit of each. You've got to have a real motivation, not ju= st the thought that using a unicast link might help, because it probably won= 't. As for rationale/how-to material, yes, when time (not just mine) permits, wh= ich it all too often doesn't. -- =20 Christopher Dearlove christopher.dearlove@gmail.com > On 22 Nov 2017, at 14:13, Justin Dean wrote: >=20 > It's been our plate to release our OLSRv2 implementation for some time now= . In addition to the multicast work (mostly independent of the OLSRv2 work)= we have played around with the idea of implementing support for unicast lin= ks. One thing that we've found helps deployed networks is having extended t= imeouts for TC link information. I'd be interested in helping with a writeu= p about why things are the way they are and some best practices or hints on h= ow to set parameters to attempt better performance. >=20 > Justin Dean >=20 >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Christopher Dearlove wrote: >> I'm still watching things here, though unfunded to attend meetings. >>=20 >> Obviously my main interest is in the OLSRv2 suite, and there I might note= that we now have all RFCs, no Internet Drafts, with the publication of RFC 8= 245. I've got a slide somewhere showing the main inter-relationships of the 2= 5 RFCs that make up this work (everything the group has done except 2501, th= e original four experimental protocols, and DLEP), 15 of which I'm an author= of, beaten by Thomas Clausen at 19.=20 >>=20 >> To my mind, the most important thing is use, and getting reports on use. O= bviously that applies to the experimental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and 7859, b= ut even more so the basic specification 7181 (and its updates). There's some= reporting in the literature of community networks - though I'm not sure to w= hat extent they are using pure OLSRv2, rather than older modified OLSRv1. Bu= t beyond that, I'd like to know more for a variety of reasons. That some of t= hat use might be military may not help, but shouldn't be an impossible barri= er. And of course there might be material I've overlooked. It's real use, ra= ther than simulations, that I'd be after. >>=20 >> Reports of use - what works, what doesn't (if anything) I think are key t= o any further progress. We can create speculative extensions (to some extent= multitopology is that, although the ability to extend to that I seem to rec= all being important in earlier acceptance by at least one person) but we nee= d to know first about base protocol use. >>=20 >> Having said that, some obvious areas that could be taken further are mult= icast, some more security issues, some use of DTN concepts, hybrid/policy-ba= sed protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several of which there is work on -= I've looked at most of those, and I know others have too). But to build any= of those on firm foundations, I go back to needing to know how (if) the mai= n protocol is being used. >>=20 >> (I'd also note that there is some undocumented - we keep trying, but othe= r work intervenes - material largely in the authors' heads about why some th= ings are as they are, and some less obvious things you can already do but ma= y not have spotted.) >>=20 >> With regard to the OLSRv2 maintenance side of the group I think that - do= cumented experience to build on - is the priority. Anyone got any? >>=20 >> -- =20 >> Christopher Dearlove >> christopher.dearlove@gmail.com >>=20 >>> On 16 Nov 2017, at 11:11, Victoria Pritchard wro= te: >>>=20 >>> Hi everyone, >>>=20 >>> Meeting notes are on the etherpad link >>> https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-100-manet?useMonospaceFont=3D= true >>>=20 >>> I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be more to com= e. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Vicky. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> manet mailing list >>> manet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-BBF03F48-01CB-44EB-B312-E80E47EAE455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We've also done work on unicast links,= but I didn't put it on my list as there are some real downsides to it (and t= hat's ignoring the issues that L2 might not work). Essentially you either ne= ed feedback via another route (in which case why not use that other route?) o= r you are operating blind. We did something that was a bit of each. You've g= ot to have a real motivation, not just the thought that using a unicast link= might help, because it probably won't.
=
As for rationale/how-to material, y= es, when time (not just mine) permits, which it all too often doesn't.
--  
Christopher Dearlove

= On 22 Nov 2017, at 14:13, Justin Dean <bebemaster@gmail.com> wrote:

It's been our plate to release our OLSRv2 impleme= ntation for some time now.  In addition to the multicast work (mostly i= ndependent of the OLSRv2 work) we have played around with the idea of implem= enting support for unicast links.  One thing that we've found helps dep= loyed networks is having extended timeouts for TC link information.  I'= d be interested in helping with a writeup about why things are the way they a= re and some best practices or hints on how to set parameters to attempt bett= er performance.

Justin Dean

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5= :38 AM, Christopher Dearlove <christopher.dearlove@gmail.com> wrote:
= I'm still watching things here, though unfunded to attend meetings.

Obviously my main interest is in the OLSRv2= suite, and there I might note that we now have all RFCs, no Internet Drafts= , with the publication of RFC 8245. I've got a slide somewhere showing the m= ain inter-relationships of the 25 RFCs that make up this work (everything th= e group has done except 2501, the original four experimental protocols, and D= LEP), 15 of which I'm an author of, beaten by Thomas Clausen at 19. 
To my mind, the most important thing is use, and getting reports on use= . Obviously that applies to the experimental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and 785= 9, but even more so the basic specification 7181 (and its updates). There's s= ome reporting in the literature of community networks - though I'm not sure t= o what extent they are using pure OLSRv2, rather than older modified OLSRv1.= But beyond that, I'd like to know more for a variety of reasons. That some o= f that use might be military may not help, but shouldn't be an impossible ba= rrier. And of course there might be material I've overlooked. It's real use,= rather than simulations, that I'd be after.

Reports of use - what works, what doesn't (if anything) I think ar= e key to any further progress. We can create speculative extensions (to some= extent multitopology is that, although the ability to extend to that I seem= to recall being important in earlier acceptance by at least one person) but= we need to know first about base protocol use.

Having said that, some obvious areas that could be taken furthe= r are multicast, some more security issues, some use of DTN concepts, hybrid= /policy-based protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several of which there i= s work on - I've looked at most of those, and I know others have too). But t= o build any of those on firm foundations, I go back to needing to know how (= if) the main protocol is being used.

(I'd also note that there is some undocumented - we keep trying, but other= work intervenes - material largely in the authors' heads about why some thi= ngs are as they are, and some less obvious things you can already do but may= not have spotted.)
=
With regard to t= he OLSRv2 maintenance side of the group I think that - documented experience= to build on - is the priority. Anyone got any?

On 16= Nov 2017, at 11:11, Victoria Pritchard <pritchardv0@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

=
Meeting notes are on the etherpad link

I believe other peopl= e were taking notes too so there may be more to come.

Regards,
Vicky.
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Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:22:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.9.53 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:21:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: To: Justin Dean Cc: Christopher Dearlove , "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:22:16 -0000 We already have implemented (for a project) support for unicast links... it is quite easy to do in my opinion, but you either need 1) at least one side being able to deliver multicast 2) know the unicast address of all possible neighbors 3) get the unicast address of your neighbors via DLEP Henning On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Justin Dean wrote: > It's been our plate to release our OLSRv2 implementation for some time now. > In addition to the multicast work (mostly independent of the OLSRv2 work) we > have played around with the idea of implementing support for unicast links. > One thing that we've found helps deployed networks is having extended > timeouts for TC link information. I'd be interested in helping with a > writeup about why things are the way they are and some best practices or > hints on how to set parameters to attempt better performance. > > Justin Dean > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Christopher Dearlove > wrote: >> >> I'm still watching things here, though unfunded to attend meetings. >> >> Obviously my main interest is in the OLSRv2 suite, and there I might note >> that we now have all RFCs, no Internet Drafts, with the publication of RFC >> 8245. I've got a slide somewhere showing the main inter-relationships of the >> 25 RFCs that make up this work (everything the group has done except 2501, >> the original four experimental protocols, and DLEP), 15 of which I'm an >> author of, beaten by Thomas Clausen at 19. >> >> To my mind, the most important thing is use, and getting reports on use. >> Obviously that applies to the experimental RFCs such as 7722, 7779 and 7859, >> but even more so the basic specification 7181 (and its updates). There's >> some reporting in the literature of community networks - though I'm not sure >> to what extent they are using pure OLSRv2, rather than older modified >> OLSRv1. But beyond that, I'd like to know more for a variety of reasons. >> That some of that use might be military may not help, but shouldn't be an >> impossible barrier. And of course there might be material I've overlooked. >> It's real use, rather than simulations, that I'd be after. >> >> Reports of use - what works, what doesn't (if anything) I think are key to >> any further progress. We can create speculative extensions (to some extent >> multitopology is that, although the ability to extend to that I seem to >> recall being important in earlier acceptance by at least one person) but we >> need to know first about base protocol use. >> >> Having said that, some obvious areas that could be taken further are >> multicast, some more security issues, some use of DTN concepts, >> hybrid/policy-based protocols, and scalability/hierarchy (several of which >> there is work on - I've looked at most of those, and I know others have >> too). But to build any of those on firm foundations, I go back to needing to >> know how (if) the main protocol is being used. >> >> (I'd also note that there is some undocumented - we keep trying, but other >> work intervenes - material largely in the authors' heads about why some >> things are as they are, and some less obvious things you can already do but >> may not have spotted.) >> >> With regard to the OLSRv2 maintenance side of the group I think that - >> documented experience to build on - is the priority. Anyone got any? >> >> -- >> Christopher Dearlove >> christopher.dearlove@gmail.com >> >> On 16 Nov 2017, at 11:11, Victoria Pritchard >> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Meeting notes are on the etherpad link >> >> https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-100-manet?useMonospaceFont=true >> >> I believe other people were taking notes too so there may be more to come. >> >> Regards, >> Vicky. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > From nobody Thu Nov 23 23:05:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A122129B19 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:05:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dvj4QTvI97xZ for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x235.google.com (mail-qt0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80558129B18 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 33so21484989qtv.1 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:05:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zjvEX+TyV/BIu2HT75GE3/k4LOk8w8heGY+/WgLobfA=; b=LRulcSZoFne0Tr5ZaeoOz8Wt2r6EahzF5WlJ75fVYrqetZZfhALFbQifM+/xYkzhwp Tcf3rshSkpsxNuI2rvlOJJdMCWRAnlqnKMogRg+mk1ZI3Etn17/USgs5/Szd+kk1ruFF 2CqYx/oOxv+ssZKDQ4cQ7qDPXmy4uMgYSWMEW/713hZYrCcDZFwl8pXfgsn+8uyZGTKL bNVBhXeMPVpGmeL1h2/UCJCqF/wQtJTnpMmzVM2Q0vNXxNlliSX2pDz4PTHUEmvLMe04 UOE4AASRnxPVTUpHCCNWL7hiJqKTQuhGmmUKG7z7i0A/tpISaaz5vwFRRP08ZttbIw/+ 4a8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zjvEX+TyV/BIu2HT75GE3/k4LOk8w8heGY+/WgLobfA=; b=bO3CAtzzKmu5yErcaOcgBP1Vy++H/iXKToWJG9V+YRkmfFiHFloFGJfE2MK1gapcta ZETXgHsEXAcuxussWcwTDORBKNprcN5BuvppzCRAdG9tkN1Zyg6jo76PsWjltQKXvXn1 LOsJZ8izWGYZuT6soNFOF/psLUKW0u9vDtd1w+GiR1TijrxKYL2gIi+qI1JGrh9zIZJD YVs40bPZShDHTQw75dboZUalSdeBpPtwhhepwsyqv40HuFHcpskx4bosf3/kYecvQ9cN lbM2WoGoH1HIZgxA35N2sr4bUcO0g/NW8nYx6/00K+3or+UWZqsnLNRyc/dE+Lq9x6sz s1lg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6Q9Qws1TBx8+onCSimyOz7X2CA3IesCeKaJr/bDJI5aQKYYPBJ HFkYHPh8lx09B9Ob6jxVqze5HNuNd2X3smhnCmlYXQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZyXw0ReIKnQfs29fK72PIskotICkB92kRb5McD8EN57nGc0u+AnYTEqlyV9G1uYez1UgeDs3l6Oe9UHaelBRs= X-Received: by 10.200.57.116 with SMTP id t49mr43758778qtb.235.1511507107389; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:05:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.9.53 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:04:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151050580617.30934.704788072530987740@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:04:36 +0100 Message-ID: To: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:05:10 -0000 One more idea about the multihop extension. Should we have a bit flag to tell the router that we talk about IP hops instead of layer-2 radio hops? This will make it easier to reuse this extension with IP-routing radios and the (already in progress) link-id extension. If we do this, we might also consider to include a flag to signal that the radio-to-router connection is an additional IP-hop. Henning On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:56 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. > > Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension > Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng > Lou Berger > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2017-11-12 > > Abstract: > This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables > the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable > modems. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Mon Nov 27 14:27:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietf.org Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6818127419; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:27:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: manet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151182163087.13335.9898030294539351604@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:27:10 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:27:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-11-27 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable modems. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-11-27 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable modems. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ manet mailing list manet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Tue Nov 28 22:22:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446CE126DD9; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P4gRjL_jt6R8; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52AFD126B7E; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id d4so3030346qtj.5; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:22:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=B/1BERl2TdY/Hwx+9x5WgYZAUTONFsdu9OVEwdXPHfA=; b=Uxb5h8Q3Z80sx0ulpYr4BFlkTIzfVexQs3CafB9PhgMSrrX6EIfKLuZQgUnaCxn4lf jVUYWMaSM9SS+ojDVTrGqicrvCPxutVNi5Z/pSImeohWIbtLrSMhGi8hxPcnFdcll3y4 NhmEtHNoUFSDEyLItbQM67CsghEpRNcG8cMVp6bywabq9hPpid4S+hoPwkFz9Qr6Ou8D tZrSb2Sgbg5GmLkIVbZx0OCq+B0nP3Y2PKwypln4FeCP2hAZw37X5+NLLx3fG4oHOshn Kd82QRqeHlrtbMUKogHmyPfSS0GC8ZTiW4hpoDQaLB7PKtAuI4OJMMmLKPlPd2a+v/V7 c5JA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B/1BERl2TdY/Hwx+9x5WgYZAUTONFsdu9OVEwdXPHfA=; b=YTUeSa7n0EZE+OCmBzTDj4bd8zIRgACHhDjK2CNMokkcIE7BMHFFLxuuvO3r3Xjne0 l1/Qr1SX8oe9By2hqU52hr/4vbBdfWnZcNeX3hlc87iVOIABo5yV2qk1oyCZlrmTA2pZ ZtoZRZwXsqTTqTeoO6XC2TvRhPROdYZu35Yv/OxY+xEuIeTpgS+kLzhZSSTgcvL7b69h l4VgfY5LEDlMySg7crPXmlyfLOywLiBqoiumhNEkoKwVDf7KBcpqq+QqXKfjjvHU/Y0W RgiRflSEHgOUI4G9nwmIDGH4iqhAa/k8qcmIE+LU0807Rd2BGA/vIbYPgipajKIBI2be 7b3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4UkoQBKygkQJRBjtIXbEPRUR5Vf5tVYtUVWBLce8ZHDj7+KqAN 6eXnDO0ZOd433QYPhnznRqziI5K98zBgE2QQjRVceSO0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMY/pI9ZSfXygecn5xJyT87oz/VKgre3fGqPphgBRbI3eqagCxQQ6FUZz/Xzdpo9KCuQ6mfwk7Ymp5ndV/1pOwU= X-Received: by 10.200.33.185 with SMTP id 54mr2918654qty.236.1511936522811; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:22:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.9.53 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:21:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151182163087.13335.9898030294539351604@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151182163087.13335.9898030294539351604@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:21:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" Cc: "i-d-announce@ietf.org" , MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:22:06 -0000 Hi, just as a comment, you plan to fix the length field of the TLVs during last call? Henning On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:27 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. > > Title : DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension > Authors : Bow-Nan Cheng > Lou Berger > Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2017-11-27 > > Abstract: > This document defines an extension to the DLEP protocol that enables > the reporting and control of Multi-Hop Forwarding by DLEP capable > modems. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Wed Nov 29 07:51:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7601277BB for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:51:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNwV_G09TulA for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3504E1200FC for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id x20so2656856oix.12 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:50:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HVH60SjATkXocj/WUoyAKkPKR01OEMgRdUq8Dl8LoRw=; b=SGv7W05s+/3pYp061TIfJiq2d8D+BkdRATwgv8tOOE27P9PSS4J3GPEh7qghkVeiBh fogxUupTKpkkkOc6yTTWlTxayGjCL/5/cXEZc31Qb2fCbcv4ZZCOG1wz+4zwywFC6dy5 q2n+iide5F5iYVVEokdG0nnMmlQaqDJ3WLfnioTC5faPT5/I7CWXq3/026sUXl6CNct7 6XXl4bqT5cJWU3Dd6JhD5iRxMH+T/Facdrlln7xvCbXf4qKvCzM6gYogslayNCPb94S+ BbNY6bOXz1nkqOw3gz6YgE7N23R/t4pndWzi+jPxEGm+Y9OExgcl7kt+PtZso7IkQfIq ixIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HVH60SjATkXocj/WUoyAKkPKR01OEMgRdUq8Dl8LoRw=; b=mFgZ/36e4nw99oSzi05W1sSXSn6ooJ+VwXwTSAybv0addEDVXlQtZnM+EmehZIwFSP ZApMKNbsno8E5ZYvx9oLpw2rTDCrkT3QyDdxfp3NxPer/oMqJHMnsoXsUCVsQzJxfe0d id6i4+T+bEGfZLKP6STGkXyEZUv8pk+R7Bi7jWc2BhtDOwee1mKSDXpLY8lXP5fhvZjH RV7DdQ/9qV/i02avn5817cRM2BjJd8CA72fLJpJRNDX5cV1O4f3wqP8L/Z+2bXaKzNrM VrKRXqYGFgu1oOiJfDPH9eMGjGWK/Ao3umXdj6kwWDIhMLs4LXFMXbhA6lhJoqwTo6li TTLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6nVJlZ7Fn3AOjtx7MV+Xoaz3OOowJIZpbYHE7Nta+RMOFHsbXv 7EHtQG0GXcBIIy42txpClBJglYElyq8YKQzHuNY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYYzboW/wEi186QoSIRS6FBG6F0CIC9k3isZGtMjv0lAh3a1fwJ3GuP5U23ITq71h27VN3xtvHISzHpZiPrNY8= X-Received: by 10.202.84.21 with SMTP id i21mr2327294oib.263.1511970658395; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:50:57 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail (461) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113dda4e0129ee055f211a1f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:51:01 -0000 --001a113dda4e0129ee055f211a1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Just to feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a look at his draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking Background: the ipwave (IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments) is chartered to do initial work on vehicular networks: IPv6 over 802.11-OCB. They are close to completing that initial charter and put together this draft to "capture the problems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D with = a view towards rechartering. I find that there is close relationship between the type of routing environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6 Just food for thought. Alvaro. --001a113dda4e0129ee055f211a1f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = Hi!

Just to = feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a look at his dra= ft:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networ= king=C2=A0

Background: =C2=A0the ipwave (IP Wi= reless Access in Vehicular Environments) is chartered to do initial work on= vehicular networks:=C2=A0IPv6 over 802.11-OCB.=C2=A0 They are close to com= pleting that initial charter and put together this draft to "capture t= he problems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D with a view towards rech= artering.=C2=A0 I find that there is close relationship between the type of= routing environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6

Just food for thought.

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[82.132.212.240]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t10sm3236852wra.16.2017.11.29.09.38.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:38:19 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-CE3DB823-6834-4394-AA5F-ECDD3A41B849 Message-Id: Cc: "manet@ietf.org" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) From: Christopher Dearlove Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:38:15 +0000 To: Alvaro Retana Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:38:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail-CE3DB823-6834-4394-AA5F-ECDD3A41B849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a failure somewhere (or more than one somewhere) that not a single p= rotocol from this WG gets even a mention in that draft, not even to raise an= d dismiss. And looking at the author list, there's at least two people who a= re quite familiar with this group. What does that mean we should do? Not sure. --=20 Christopher Dearlove christopher.dearlove@gmail.com > On 29 Nov 2017, at 15:50, Alvaro Retana wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > Just to feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a look a= t his draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-network= ing=20 >=20 > Background: the ipwave (IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments) is c= hartered to do initial work on vehicular networks: IPv6 over 802.11-OCB. Th= ey are close to completing that initial charter and put together this draft t= o "capture the problems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D with a view t= owards rechartering. I find that there is close relationship between the ty= pe of routing environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Just food for thought. >=20 > Alvaro. > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet --Apple-Mail-CE3DB823-6834-4394-AA5F-ECDD3A41B849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a failure somewhere (or more t= han one somewhere) that not a single protocol from this WG gets even a menti= on in that draft, not even to raise and dismiss. And looking at the author l= ist, there's at least two people who are quite familiar with this group.
=
What does that mean we should do? Not sure.

-- 
Christop= her Dearlove

On 29 Nov 2017, at 15:50= , Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@g= mail.com> wrote:

Hi!

Just to feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a look a= t his draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular= -networking 

Background:  the ipwave (= IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments) is chartered to do initial wor= k on vehicular networks: IPv6 over 802.11-OCB.  They are close to c= ompleting that initial charter and put together this draft to "capture the p= roblems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D with a view towards recharter= ing.  I find that there is close relationship between the type of routi= ng environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6

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Just food for thought.

Alvaro.
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On November 29, 2017 at 12:38:21 PM, Christopher = Dearlove (christopher.dea= rlove@gmail.com) wrote:

Hi!
There's a failure somewhere (or more = than one somewhere) that not a single protocol from this WG gets even a men= tion in that draft, not even to raise and dismiss. And looking at the autho= r list, there's at least two people who are quite familiar with this gr= oup.

What does that mean= we should do? Not sure.

Participa= te in ipwave=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0

Yes, I agree that it is somewhat worriso= me that no mention exists, specially because the problem space is so simila= r.=C2=A0 An obvious way to remedy is to participate in the discussion.

<= p>Some more background: when ipwave was originally chartered I objected at = it (explicitly) taking on routing because of the work in Manet=E2=80=A6. I = think that we=E2=80=99re getting close to a new discussion and having you g= uys (the WG) become familiar with the problem statement and shed light on e= xisting protocols/efforts/similarities/etc. would go along way towards reus= e.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


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No action required. Alvaro. On November 29, 2017 at 11:08:37 AM, Liaison Statement Management Tool ( lsmt@ietf.org) wrote: Title: Radio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transport System applications Submission Date: 2017-11-29 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1548/ Please reply by 2018-03-14 From: Sergio Buonomo To: The IETF Chair Cc: The IESG ,The IETF Chair , itu-t-liaison@iab.org Response Contacts: sergio.buonomo@itu.int Technical Contacts: Purpose: For action Body: At its November 2017 meeting WP 5A progressed the revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 =E2=80=9CRadio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transport System applications=E2=80=9D. However, the meeting ag= reed to extend finalization of this revision until May 2018 in order to allow some members to submit their standards and technical specifications. Even though the work will continue, the document is considered relatively stable as a preliminary draft revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 (see Annex 30 to Document 5A/650). WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated information, if any, on technical standards, and will consider any input contributions at its next meeting in May 2018. The deadline for submission of contributions is prior to 16:00 (UTC) on 14 May 2018. Attachments: R15-WP5A-171106-TD-0262!R1!MSW-E https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2017-11-29-itu-r-wp5a= -ietf-radio-interface-standards-of-vehicle-to-vehicle-and-vehicle-to-infras= tructure-communications-for-intelligent-transp-attachment-1.pdf --001a11c01f187863f2055f2339a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Just FYI=E2=80=A6

Somewhat related to the other thread on ipwave.=C2= =A0 No action required.

Alvaro.

On November 29, 2017 at 11:08:= 37 AM, Liaison Statement Management Tool (= lsmt@ietf.org) wrote:

=
Title: Radio interface standards of vehicle-to-v= ehicle and vehicle-to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transpo= rt System applications
Submission Date: 2017-11-29
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1548/
Please reply by 2018-03-14
From: Sergio Buonomo <serg= io.buonomo@itu.int>
To: The IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org= >
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>= ,The IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>= ;,itu-t-liaison@iab.org
Response Contacts: sergio.buo= nomo@itu.int
Technical Contacts: =20
Purpose: For action

Body: At its November 2017 meeting WP 5A progressed the revision of Rec= ommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 =E2=80=9CRadio interface standards of vehicle-to= -vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Trans= port System applications=E2=80=9D. However, the meeting agreed to extend fi= nalization of this revision until May 2018 in order to allow some members t= o submit their standards and technical specifications. Even though the work= will continue, the document is considered relatively stable as a prelimina= ry draft revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 (see Annex 30 to Document = 5A/650). =20

WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated information, if = any, on technical standards, and will consider any input contributions at i= ts next meeting in May 2018. The deadline for submission of contributions i= s prior to 16:00 (UTC) on 14 May 2018.
Attachments:

R15-WP5A-171106-TD-0262!R1!MSW-E
https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2017-11-29-i= tu-r-wp5a-ietf-radio-interface-standards-of-vehicle-to-vehicle-and-vehicle-= to-infrastructure-communications-for-intelligent-transp-attachment-1.pdf

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