From nobody Fri Dec 1 05:53:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3406A128990 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 05:53:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJRoQZoILS9O for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 05:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com (mail-oi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 248DA12706D for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 05:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id t78so7175745oie.8 for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 05:53:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=22QWTMUSkdRAbsdS1RawdDkI7F7GdEKogACvBUUqYB0=; b=RCpN/HIPTEUomtOM8ELz2Y3YlrSlE0T4gU+j1+GEiXXx45gDw5TY6d9WymriYhIcC2 cTFsixK8yFN6sOInPq3Sj7itwDJUkSjmBRExCKU3fzOhOKyBGS4TELpsulBm9us2TaOZ 81Fi7QeMIImhjnpifrdpLQEO20FrxcXQPc4sbNVJdu1k4nYW/Hr6V6yURFtEElbaq/b6 hGCsTMYWD7cFgYB3jmFaxOm/ZBAEvPt/PxK4mdLbmIV+QUQqAZKtjiHRUcxxHsHLFo/S TJzpSlMHthSBE3dOyV+gNQNhu2rkxLUSowVYMIHju2J0PKuHXyewBL0nO3kH7YtKg8nb slCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=22QWTMUSkdRAbsdS1RawdDkI7F7GdEKogACvBUUqYB0=; b=c0C5zi/hKDTseOGBVf2DMsOWw/cj8zFIY8+zistxj57KZ9+YoFe47R6XoQPDbU5M8q 1zJzm67BRZb604lri9WEqMfdvrGEN5quQ5YsF1u6mtninvWRmwljOaEpHzXFtHAn+V9f wY7OLqhxG4P5uP3XWO8fqZz+4xAQrr8z9XyT0upLMEp5ChrNQuEqB5BR8AVoVba1N1Xb XQD+x6dj/yNPgvwETgZ/UHHx5maF9FV77Hw6Z2Pb6bvCwFW1rGabOfxalKyS1CdvXXpd BMdetmrgKjst6cbKd6BJ36mpvTKlZgKvpQRRDrpogca5z6Jl4eAiwQuwuSLr9aqYk3aL MtaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5xrb9fHVrClLw/15IKhgt+6+rGJUfL8f3r3P+ueUh2wjXcwFvg 52tKbvjO4fhtZco3tKCqIm0yyPva1yf9LBJktJc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa6I9aAUm7O3xaSkQQ4VOHfdwCor9CAtJw1RFE/zkgZJ2X2Mcbm/qHc8noIQ7yk8KfbxwBM0ZjojJzNvV7fzaY= X-Received: by 10.202.185.3 with SMTP id j3mr6212180oif.159.1512136433557; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 05:53:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.10.40 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 05:53:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:53:53 +0200 Message-ID: To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "manet@ietf.org" , "manet-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113ce934f9677f055f47b228" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] Fwd: New Liaison Statement, "Radio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transport System applications" X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 13:53:56 -0000 --001a113ce934f9677f055f47b228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the V2V is related to MANET, which we may need to have an action in our WG working with other IETF WGs, however, the infrastructure communication and routing is not related to our work. IMO this WG is about MANET, so we should at least discuss, if we should submit something or not related to V2V standards? AB On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Just FYI=E2=80=A6 > > Somewhat related to the other thread on ipwave. No action required. > > Alvaro. > > On November 29, 2017 at 11:08:37 AM, Liaison Statement Management Tool ( > lsmt@ietf.org) wrote: > > Title: Radio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and > vehicle-to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transport System > applications > Submission Date: 2017-11-29 > URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1548/ > Please reply by 2018-03-14 > From: Sergio Buonomo > To: The IETF Chair > Cc: The IESG ,The IETF Chair ,itu-t- > liaison@iab.org > Response Contacts: sergio.buonomo@itu.int > Technical Contacts: > Purpose: For action > > Body: At its November 2017 meeting WP 5A progressed the revision of > Recommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 =E2=80=9CRadio interface standards of > vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure communications for > Intelligent Transport System applications=E2=80=9D. However, the meeting = agreed to > extend finalization of this revision until May 2018 in order to allow som= e > members to submit their standards and technical specifications. Even thou= gh > the work will continue, the document is considered relatively stable as a > preliminary draft revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 (see Annex 30 t= o > Document 5A/650). > > WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated information, if > any, on technical standards, and will consider any input contributions at > its next meeting in May 2018. The deadline for submission of contribution= s > is prior to 16:00 (UTC) on 14 May 2018. > Attachments: > > R15-WP5A-171106-TD-0262!R1!MSW-E > https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison- > 2017-11-29-itu-r-wp5a-ietf-radio-interface-standards-of- > vehicle-to-vehicle-and-vehicle-to-infrastructure-communications-for- > intelligent-transp-attachment-1.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --001a113ce934f9677f055f47b228 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the V2V is related to MANET, which we may nee= d to have an action in our WG working with other IETF WGs, however, the inf= rastructure communication and routing=C2=A0is not related to our work. IMO = this WG is about MANET, so we should at least discuss, if we should submit = something or not related to V2V standards?

AB

On Wed, No= v 29, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
J= ust FYI=E2=80=A6

= Somewhat related to the other thread on ipwave.=C2=A0 No action required.

Alvaro.

=

On November 29, 2017 at 11:08:= 37 AM, Liaison Statement Management Tool (lsmt@ietf.org) wrote:

Title: Ra= dio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-infrastructure= communications for Intelligent Transport System applications
Submission Date: 2017-11-29
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1548/=
Please reply by 2018-03-14
From: Sergio Buonomo <sergio.buonomo@itu.int>
To: The IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
Cc: The IESG <ies= g@ietf.org>,The IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>,itu-t-liaison@iab.org
Response Contacts: sergio.buonomo@itu.int
Technical Contacts: =20
Purpose: For action

Body: At its November 2017 meeting WP 5A progressed the revision of Rec= ommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 =E2=80=9CRadio interface standards of vehicle-to= -vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Trans= port System applications=E2=80=9D. However, the meeting agreed to extend fi= nalization of this revision until May 2018 in order to allow some members t= o submit their standards and technical specifications. Even though the work= will continue, the document is considered relatively stable as a prelimina= ry draft revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 (see Annex 30 to Document = 5A/650). =20

WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated information, if = any, on technical standards, and will consider any input contributions at i= ts next meeting in May 2018. The deadline for submission of contributions i= s prior to 16:00 (UTC) on 14 May 2018.
Attachments:

R15-WP5A-171106-TD-0262!R1!MSW-E
https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAIS= ON/liaison-2017-11-29-itu-r-wp5a-ietf-radio-interface-standards-o= f-vehicle-to-vehicle-and-vehicle-to-infrastructure-communica= tions-for-intelligent-transp-attachment-1.pdf

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--001a113ce934f9677f055f47b228-- From nobody Fri Dec 1 06:02:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FEC1289B0 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 06:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ukZ8jpnHjVWa for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 06:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x236.google.com (mail-ot0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 690ED128BBB for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 06:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x236.google.com with SMTP id i1so9073695oth.9 for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 06:02:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ru6pMmgSBXQEKFFeQzqyJ5jjKDiyYa7X0sTz3oajyY8=; b=Db/+Ili9sS2DEjfDPXK2iUQfTGgFzifMzaPHw8QWfdBSc7xSAhYZhJz6+asnEfW9hN Y7ICQnIPt7m93WTmjtMIJB+T5PlKp8aNyD2Zq+L98VTFLZk4dvpoKQF1EX4p6KmGNnNz fXCl4zAVTduAVOgDPhoAAJng3o+86pXYO6r5xoXd041Oh0AZVifSZmNCFxzV62lozSBn VjIT2yAsOEospOtld2j7n24yxjL+yq76RE+S0GTixxH87SYZQVjMwjEo6MzWe4tWguYS etwv15vF1eFvY9kFGPEqb+CcVcGVX0JmVxQXIUKKgCrnijiwb29WKFML5D5qBl27ccRv edBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ru6pMmgSBXQEKFFeQzqyJ5jjKDiyYa7X0sTz3oajyY8=; b=DPruUGg6eE8jk/u2fOZ3Vamw+HhqqNyAy0hJkLm9+amCbzJxhZSZekF8iokrg5Au0K U/PCfKGssfwCRwVzQTvf+dCDYOnMXCx5ARB01v7KCTipaceB0CUL83IlzGQ0lmJUXbV5 Hv8T+K47DYquOlr7O6L2Pee5lIT60bPcMLzCyhMGU+Ft2tAQtk9gp8a8zQm0q9ym/IZR MaMeTAGV4HxiyuWfpErPEpIJW6T8qmK/uTqKa9DO1RbuJNiZkGH75y/pwxOngG9Ru6Wy J9Q/ErR9aiieJqOHhl+KZfqtlCWzG8WBZV5PRRjDmHWBOt+9lJAJaypj/N3mAYfozyAs I2sw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7Ife1H7b22DKo9C+4qPB22SlV9t5z8JPGW8k1vx0dldC7mKDsv WgsItkYCBzls3YBWUXDjb59hQ8W+UwE4x+O/Pu8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbo50woOetiaycv316vkWyB85kMKc6q3TEhTiicmd9HD8nZThJRXQIuKl2v7n/qmNY64tTKlrOOFnm5U0bxozU= X-Received: by 10.157.1.238 with SMTP id e101mr8036284ote.51.1512136920718; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 06:02:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.10.40 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 06:02:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:02:00 +0200 Message-ID: To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "manet@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c03cf9402e116055f47d00d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 100 minutes X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 14:02:06 -0000 --94eb2c03cf9402e116055f47d00d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think they need to do the mobile work for one hope only, and ipwave is about both infrastructure network with infrastructureless (we may say hybrid). MANET WG is only about infrastructureless networking. AB On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Hi! > > Just to feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a look > at his draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave- > vehicular-networking > > Background: the ipwave (IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments) is > chartered to do initial work on vehicular networks: IPv6 over 802.11-OCB. > They are close to completing that initial charter and put together this > draft to "capture the problems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D wit= h a view > towards rechartering. I find that there is close relationship between th= e > type of routing environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6 > > Just food for thought. > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --94eb2c03cf9402e116055f47d00d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think they need to do the mobile work for one hope = only, and ipwave is about both=C2=A0infrastructure network with infrastruct= ureless (we=C2=A0may say hybrid). MANET WG is only about infrastructureless= networking.

AB

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Alvaro = Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!

Just to feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a= look at his draft:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/= html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking=C2=A0

Background: =C2=A0the ipwave (IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Envi= ronments) is chartered to do initial work on vehicular networks:=C2=A0IPv6 = over 802.11-OCB.=C2=A0 They are close to completing that initial charter an= d put together this draft to "capture the problems that the WG finds i= nteresting=E2=80=9D with a view towards rechartering.=C2=A0 I find that the= re is close relationship between the type of routing environments considere= d there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6

Just food for = thought.

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I add, the draft is not completed, however, the WG chairs were not active (maybe bussy) while discussions, and also the AD did not help in my questions (see my discussions), while that discussion list was not considering some concerns. > And looking at the author list, there's at least two people who are quite > familiar with this group. > Any author in IETF is already familiar with this group. > > What does that mean we should do? Not sure. > We should not do any thing, but the AD and our chairs MUST work close with the ipwave Chairs, they need to decide what will be done, they need to help the flow of discussions and ideas. AB > > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > christopher.dearlove@gmail.com > > On 29 Nov 2017, at 15:50, Alvaro Retana wrote: > > Hi! > > Just to feed the discussion on potential future work, please take a look > at his draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave- > vehicular-networking > > Background: the ipwave (IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments) is > chartered to do initial work on vehicular networks: IPv6 over 802.11-OCB. > They are close to completing that initial charter and put together this > draft to "capture the problems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D wit= h a view > towards rechartering. I find that there is close relationship between th= e > type of routing environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80=A6 > > Just food for thought. > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --001a113b1c00accc94055f47eca1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Christopher Dearlove <ch= ristopher.dearlove@gmail.com> wrote:
There's a failure somewhere (or more than one somewh= ere) that not a single protocol from this WG gets even a mention in that dr= aft, not even to raise and dismiss.

I agree with your statement.

I add, =C2=A0th= e draft is not completed, however, the WG chairs were not active (maybe bus= sy)=C2=A0while discussions, and also the AD did not help in my questions (s= ee my discussions), while that discussion list was not considering some con= cerns.

=C2=A0
And looking at the author list, there's at least two people wh= o are quite familiar with this group.

=
Any author in=C2=A0IETF is already familiar with this group.=C2= =A0

What does that mean we= should do? Not sure.

We should= not do any thing, but the AD and our chairs MUST work close with the ipwav= e Chairs, they need to decide what will be done, they need to help the flow= of discussions and ideas.

AB=C2=A0


--=C2=A0
Christopher Dearlove

On 29 Nov = 2017, at 15:50, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!

Just to feed the discussio= n on potential future work, please take a look at his draft:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehi= cular-networking=C2=A0

Background: =C2=A0the i= pwave (IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments) is chartered to do ini= tial work on vehicular networks:=C2=A0IPv6 over 802.11-OCB.=C2=A0 They are = close to completing that initial charter and put together this draft to &qu= ot;capture the problems that the WG finds interesting=E2=80=9D with a view = towards rechartering.=C2=A0 I find that there is close relationship between= the type of routing environments considered there and the MANET work=E2=80= =A6

Just food for thought.

Alvaro.
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--001a113b1c00accc94055f47eca1-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 01:23:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD96126D05 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:23:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.633 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.633 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZY-lQ0_mQDn for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A497A126E01 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id vB69NYsn022251; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:23:34 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 992F92027C5; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:23:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DB8202739; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:23:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id vB69NYWH010781; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:23:34 +0100 To: Abdussalam Baryun Cc: Alvaro Retana , "manet-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "manet@ietf.org" References: From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <129c649e-026d-2b65-fa80-e04aac57e212@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:23:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] Fwd: New Liaison Statement, "Radio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transport System applications" X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:23:39 -0000 I think V2V has one aspect that is more [ipwave] than [manet]: one-hop establishment of IP forwarding between nearby vehicles (not multi-hop). In such network the in-car subnets are well determined (Ethernet, detnet, etc.), whereas the subnet between the cars is more variable as it runs on 802.11-OCB. Alex Le 01/12/2017 à 14:53, Abdussalam Baryun a écrit : > I think the V2V is related to MANET, which we may need to have an action > in our WG working with other IETF WGs, however, the infrastructure > communication and routing is not related to our work. IMO this WG is > about MANET, so we should at least discuss, if we should submit > something or not related to V2V standards? > > AB > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Alvaro Retana > wrote: > > Just FYI… > > Somewhat related to the other thread on ipwave.  No action required. > > Alvaro. > > On November 29, 2017 at 11:08:37 AM, Liaison Statement Management > Tool (lsmt@ietf.org ) wrote: > >> Title: Radio interface standards of vehicle-to-vehicle and >> vehicle-to-infrastructure communications for Intelligent Transport >> System applications >> Submission Date: 2017-11-29 >> URL of the IETF Web page: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1548/ >> >> Please reply by 2018-03-14 >> From: Sergio Buonomo > > >> To: The IETF Chair > >> Cc: The IESG >,The IETF Chair >> >,itu-t-liaison@iab.org >> >> Response Contacts: sergio.buonomo@itu.int >> >> Technical Contacts: >> Purpose: For action >> >> Body: At its November 2017 meeting WP 5A progressed the revision >> of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084-0 “Radio interface standards of >> vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle to-infrastructure communications >> for Intelligent Transport System applications”. However, the >> meeting agreed to extend finalization of this revision until May >> 2018 in order to allow some members to submit their standards and >> technical specifications. Even though the work will continue, the >> document is considered relatively stable as a preliminary draft >> revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.2084 (see Annex 30 to Document >> 5A/650). >> >> WP 5A invites external organizations to submit updated >> information, if any, on technical standards, and will consider any >> input contributions at its next meeting in May 2018. The deadline >> for submission of contributions is prior to 16:00 (UTC) on 14 May >> 2018. >> Attachments: >> >> R15-WP5A-171106-TD-0262!R1!MSW-E >> https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2017-11-29-itu-r-wp5a-ietf-radio-interface-standards-of-vehicle-to-vehicle-and-vehicle-to-infrastructure-communications-for-intelligent-transp-attachment-1.pdf >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > From nobody Thu Dec 7 05:43:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCCA12944B for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:43:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mwe9hoHGruie for ; 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Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:13:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.27.148 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:13:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eugene Reznik Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:13:18 +0200 Message-ID: To: manet@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="f403045ea138b8dce305602540b3" Archived-At: Subject: [manet] Fwd: Modem Dlep session with multiple routers X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:14:39 -0000 --f403045ea138b8dce305602540b3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045ea138b8dce105602540b2" --f403045ea138b8dce105602540b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, My name is Evgeniy Reznik. I am graduate student and I'm trying to implement Dlep modem. The problem is that I do not understand clearly behavior of a modem. Can you please help me with understanding rfc8175. Suppose the modem supports only one Dlep connection (via one physical and logical interface), the modem is connected to two routers on LAN and the modem is in session with one router. [image: Inline image 1] What should do the modem in case it receives peer discovery from second router, while still being in session with the first router? Should modem silently discard peer discovery or answer with peer offer signal? If modem answers with peer offer, then how modem rejects session initialization? I could not find any definition for this case in rfc. Thank you in advance. Regards, Evgeniy. --f403045ea138b8dce105602540b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

My name is Evgeniy= Reznik.
I am graduate st= udent and I'm trying to implement Dlep modem.
The problem is that I do not understand clearly be= havior of a modem.
Can you please help= me with understanding rfc8175.=C2=A0

Suppose= the modem supports only one Dlep connection (via one physical and logical = interface), the modem is connected to two routers on LAN and the modem is i= n session with one router.

3D"Inline
=C2=A0
What should do t= he modem in case it receives peer discovery from second router, while still= being in session with the first router?=C2=A0
Should modem silently discard peer discovery or answe= r with peer offer signal?=C2=A0
If modem answers with peer offer, then how modem rejects session ini= tialization?

I could not find any definition = for this case in rfc.=C2=A0

Thank you in adva= nce.
Regards, Evgeniy.
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routers X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:37:17 -0000 --001a1144c18e23350e0560259696 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1144c18e23350b0560259695" --001a1144c18e23350b0560259695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I would guess there are two options... first, just ignore any discovery or session initiation if you have a session running. second... if you ONLY support the delivery of metrics from radio to router (no "request link characteristic", no flow control, no setting of IPs) you could theoretically just run two DLEP sessions, no harm done if the router cannot "write" any data. Still, I would add a config option (with default "no") if you support the second one. Henning On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Eugene Reznik wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Evgeniy Reznik. > I am graduate student and I'm trying to implement Dlep modem. > The problem is that I do not understand clearly behavior of a modem. > Can you please help me with understanding rfc8175. > > Suppose the modem supports only one Dlep connection (via one physical and > logical interface), the modem is connected to two routers on LAN and the > modem is in session with one router. > > [image: Inline image 1] > > What should do the modem in case it receives peer discovery from second > router, while still being in session with the first router? > Should modem silently discard peer discovery or answer with peer offer > signal? > If modem answers with peer offer, then how modem rejects session > initialization? > > I could not find any definition for this case in rfc. > > Thank you in advance. > Regards, Evgeniy. > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --001a1144c18e23350b0560259695 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I would guess there are two options= ...

first, just ignore any discovery or session in= itiation if you have a session running.

second... = if you ONLY support the delivery of metrics from radio to router (no "= request link characteristic", no flow control, no setting of IPs) you = could theoretically just run two DLEP sessions, no harm done if the router = cannot "write" any data.

Still, I would = add a config option (with default "no") if you support the second= one.

Henning

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Eugene Re= znik <ujenreznik@gmail.com> wrote:
= Hello,

My n= ame is Evgeniy Reznik.
I = am graduate student and I'm trying to implement Dlep modem.
The problem is that I do not underst= and clearly behavior of a modem.
Can y= ou please help me with understanding rfc8175.=C2=A0

Suppose the modem supports only one Dlep connection (via one physica= l and logical interface), the modem is connected to two routers on LAN and = the modem is in session with one router.


=C2=A0
What should do the modem in case it = receives peer discovery from second router, while still being in session wi= th the first router?=C2=A0
Should modem silently discard peer discovery or answer with peer offer si= gnal?=C2=A0
If modem answ= ers with peer offer, then how modem rejects session initialization?

I could not find any definition for this case in rfc= .=C2=A0

Thank you in advance.
Regards, Evgeniy.

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with multiple routers X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 15:58:18 -0000 --001a114aa036a41609056026b755 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114aa036a41608056026b754" --001a114aa036a41608056026b754 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +1 on what Henning said. And, I believe Rick mentioned this was intentionally left a bit vague to allow for some innovation in the space - to let implementations to do what's best in their environment. Some examples of how you could handle the issue are: 1. If the modem only supports one DLEP peer session at a time, then silently drop subsequent multicast discovery messages sent by the second router. 2. In the case Henning describes - if there's no flow control or Link Characteristic Request messages flowing, nothing stops the modem from establishing 2 sessions and transmitting state information (Destination UP, Destination DOWN, Destination UPDATE) to both routers. Since flow control will be a DLEP extension, the modem can just refuse to support said option, and flow control isn't an issue. LCR could also *theoretically* be handled in that environment by always responding with the existing metrics (effectively, when either of the routers ask for something like 'more bandwidth', the modem responds with 'sorry, this is all I have'). 3. If the modem has sufficient (whatever that means) a-priori configuration to know, for instance, "Router 1 will only use a specific subset of DLEP destinations, and Router 2 will use a second, non-overlapping subset of DLEP destinations", then the modem could offer both flow control and LCR support to the 2 routers simultaneously. Or, you could (again, via a-priori configuration), designate one of the routers as "flow control and LCR requests from this router will be honored; but not from other routers on the segment". And I'm sure there are more approaches that I haven't thought of. Regards, Stan On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: > Hi, > > I would guess there are two options... > > first, just ignore any discovery or session initiation if you have a > session running. > > second... if you ONLY support the delivery of metrics from radio to router > (no "request link characteristic", no flow control, no setting of IPs) you > could theoretically just run two DLEP sessions, no harm done if the router > cannot "write" any data. > > Still, I would add a config option (with default "no") if you support the > second one. > > Henning > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Eugene Reznik > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> My name is Evgeniy Reznik. >> I am graduate student and I'm trying to implement Dlep modem. >> The problem is that I do not understand clearly behavior of a modem. >> Can you please help me with understanding rfc8175. >> >> Suppose the modem supports only one Dlep connection (via one physical and >> logical interface), the modem is connected to two routers on LAN and the >> modem is in session with one router. >> >> [image: Inline image 1] >> >> What should do the modem in case it receives peer discovery from second >> router, while still being in session with the first router? >> Should modem silently discard peer discovery or answer with peer offer >> signal? >> If modem answers with peer offer, then how modem rejects session >> initialization? >> >> I could not find any definition for this case in rfc. >> >> Thank you in advance. >> Regards, Evgeniy. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> manet mailing list >> manet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > --001a114aa036a41608056026b754 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1 on what Henning said. And, I believe Rick mentioned thi= s was intentionally left a bit vague to allow for some innovation in the sp= ace - to let implementations to do what's best in their environment. So= me examples of how you could handle the issue are:

1. If= the modem only supports one DLEP peer session at a time, then silently dro= p subsequent multicast discovery messages sent by the second router.=C2=A0<= /div>

2. In the case Henning describes - if there's = no flow control or Link Characteristic Request messages flowing, nothing st= ops the modem from establishing 2 sessions and transmitting state informati= on (Destination UP, Destination DOWN, Destination UPDATE) to both routers. = Since flow control will be a DLEP extension, the modem can just refuse to s= upport said option, and flow control isn't an issue. LCR could also *th= eoretically* be handled in that environment by always responding with the e= xisting metrics (effectively, when either of the routers ask for something = like 'more bandwidth', the modem responds with 'sorry, this is = all I have').=C2=A0

3. If the modem has sufficient (whatever that means) a-pri= ori configuration to know, for instance, "Router 1 will only use a spe= cific subset of DLEP destinations, and Router 2 will use a second, non-over= lapping subset of DLEP destinations", then the modem could offer both = flow control and LCR support to the 2 routers simultaneously. Or, you could= (again, via a-priori configuration), designate one of the routers as "= ;flow control and LCR requests from this router will be honored; but not fr= om other routers on the segment".

=
And I'm sure there are more approaches= that I haven't thought of.

<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">Regards,
Stan



On Tue, Dec 12, = 2017 at 9:36 AM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,

I wou= ld guess there are two options...

first, just igno= re any discovery or session initiation if you have a session running.
=

second... if you ONLY support the delivery of metrics f= rom radio to router (no "request link characteristic", no flow co= ntrol, no setting of IPs) you could theoretically just run two DLEP session= s, no harm done if the router cannot "write" any data.
=
Still, I would add a config option (with default "no&qu= ot;) if you support the second one.

Henning
<= /div>

On Tue, Dec = 12, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Eugene Reznik <ujenreznik@gmail.com>= wrote:
Hello,<= div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:12.8px">
My name is Evgeniy Reznik.
I am graduate student and I'm trying to imple= ment Dlep modem.
The prob= lem is that I do not understand clearly behavior of a modem.
Can you please help me with understanding rfc8175.= =C2=A0

Suppose the modem supports only one Dl= ep connection (via one physical and logical interface), the modem is connec= ted to two routers on LAN and the modem is in session with one router.

3D"Inlin=<= br>
=C2=A0
What should do the modem in case it re= ceives peer discovery from second router, while still being in session with= the first router?=C2=A0
= Should modem silently discard peer discovery or answer with peer offer sign= al?=C2=A0
If modem answer= s with peer offer, then how modem rejects session initialization?

I could not find any definition for this case in rfc.= =C2=A0

Thank you in advance.
Regards, Evgeniy.

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boundary="001a11c01f182de59c05603cee49" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] dcrouting BOF in Singapore (Mailing LIsts) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:28:22 -0000 --001a11c01f182de59c05603cee49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Adding routing-discussion, other IGP-focused WGs and rtg-dir, please feel free to forward.] Hi! As we move these efforts forward, we have now created two new mailing lists= : Routing In Fat Trees (rift): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/rift Link State Vector Routing (lsvr): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/lsvr If you are interested in either effort (or both!), please subscribe!! The next step is to discuss and agree on a suitable charter for each of the proposed WGs =E2=80=94 I have asked the proponents to start a discussion on= the respective lists in the next few days. The goal is to take the Charters to the IESG and have them approved significantly in advance of IETF 101. As a reminder, the focus of these efforts (resulting from the dcrouting BOF) is on new solutions: ones that require a standalone effort (WG) =E2=80= =93 It is not expected that work/discussions on related incremental enhancements in an existing WG be delayed or deferred. Thanks! Alvaro. On November 23, 2017 at 4:17:26 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Hi! Thank you to everyone who participated in last week=E2=80=99s BOF!! After comparing notes with the BOF Chairs and my co-ADs, we believe there is good interest to start working on proposed charters for both RIFT and BGP-LS SPF. I will be working with the proponents on that in the next few weeks =E2=80=94 the current plan is for me to be the Responsible AD for bot= h of these efforts. Please stay tuned to this mailing list for further announcements on mailing lists and other details as we iron them out. Thanks!! Alvaro. --001a11c01f182de59c05603cee49 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[Adding routing-discussion, other IGP-focused WGs and rtg-dir, please feel free to forward.]


Hi!

As we move these efforts forward, we have now created two new mailing lists:

Routing In Fat Trees (rift):=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/rift=C2=A0
Link State Vector Routing (lsvr):=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/lsvr=C2=A0

If you are interested in either effort (or both!), please subscribe!!

The next step is to discuss and agree on a suitable charter for each of the proposed WGs =E2=80=94 I have asked the proponents to start a discussion on the respective lists in the next few days.=C2=A0 The goal is to take the Charters to the IESG and have them approved significantly in advance of IETF 101.

As a reminder, the focus of these efforts (resulting from the dcrouting BOF) is on new solutions: ones that require a standalone effort (WG) =E2=80=93 It is not expected that work/discussions on related incremental enhancements in an existing WG be delayed or deferred.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


On November 23, 2017 at 4:17:26 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana.ietf@gmail.com) wrote:

Hi!

Thank you to everyone who participated in last week=E2=80=99s BOF!!

After comparing notes with the BOF Chairs and my co-ADs, we believe there is good interest to start working on proposed charters for both RIFT and BGP-LS SPF.=C2=A0 I will be working with the proponents on that in the next few weeks =E2=80=94 the current plan is for me to be the Responsible AD for both of these efforts.

Please stay tuned to this mailing list for further announcements on mailing lists and other details as we iron them out.

Thanks!!

Alvaro.
--001a11c01f182de59c05603cee49-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 10:38:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B212714F; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.738 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRSrEqhut57o; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x242.google.com (mail-ot0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B283124D6C; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x242.google.com with SMTP id j2so2784287ota.13; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:38:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=h4/MaJNvomeevDTG3p2QGnvNfz5lYyi8YqsJZXJN6fg=; b=kmJNkvfqMG7zHI5j8Dy7ulTiLzIxxmOiOQ2UMhuqiiIo3VvZJWsHPa/+FsOC07OQpl +SvRRMbFFH1mr5TxBSoL0Xx/7SA4wmDEBVib4xa6CiswMEQDIw0HGUpO/gbOJQ5Nf+m2 z1zzUM5fTh5dxgmXa3ZAt57dVw5N+Bg8fcXdLjarSuV0Dy/iSq50tWLHhDs1KEzym1RI qh3o6G9/8+7ZBsssG1XoLcE6TQFUfxB5MemwOEvLuPkN1NEzADUX7nzPF5QCaOhUo7ot qN0HmLRk1KrQGew9VRj54k8yD+EhPSKifSsTg+fJjvKGaLhGj/Aq2ynDTJR77Sic3rPX 2RCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=h4/MaJNvomeevDTG3p2QGnvNfz5lYyi8YqsJZXJN6fg=; b=KFRtxM977g4zWdFxPNHs8ZmOH0GwNWJCGaRfLWi4XhwoalOGuNDF0QOxY7rgblOPHX Nodftw5aFWj0T9JJZyKlmkgkY6KRqDnTzelNdaaOW976HQrt9NDE4IusqGArU4Hm6+QO WBOVC1qvaYoLqfQj8wc3s6AdPce+XenlcmHdbaF7q2ltu1NeauUXMQn+8s6p5MK5ZTzH mq2M4z1RVi2xcUa5QcXFjuFY8nco6C2ODTPMWtLKMqxgc/H0piE+G44jCVym97h2tBZW pu81R3hrQ9KRMXAE6FF/tpyQPnk0rs5seg6HSTi873z827Gcuo491kmYL+AG/cKQI7Ci 2/Iw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKZ6D7X9RkC5LPYDMVhTb/h3UEhys+Wao+hMAHkmTuhfz5Al2wg 0t1TZ4nH0EwWQAT/U3GR1mamrl29Ko/Fhd3B0AM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotpLlXPuBOGfX0NjCGgKZu8AlVokF1wzRavzTLXSYY6z+rI3XPTt2/6xhTMUQumWUO9ujKSoDeh/EfqRSj31M8= X-Received: by 10.157.56.200 with SMTP id k8mr2593526ote.3.1513190284506; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:38:04 -0500 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: dcrouting@ietf.org, routing-discussion@ietf.org Cc: babel@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c01f1862b98605603d1194" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] dcrouting BOF in Singapore (Mailing LIsts) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:38:07 -0000 --001a11c01f1862b98605603d1194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sorry, here are the right links: rift: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rift lsvr: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsvr Thanks to the eager people already subscribing for pointing this out! Alvaro. On December 13, 2017 at 10:28:13 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Routing In Fat Trees (rift): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/rift Link State Vector Routing (lsvr): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/lsvr --001a11c01f1862b98605603d1194 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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--001a11c01f1862b98605603d1194-- From nobody Fri Dec 15 12:00:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietf.org Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF75124D6C; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:00:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: manet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151336805426.30374.9733891336685255767@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:00:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [manet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-manet-dlep-lid-extension-00.txt X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:00:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Mobile Ad-hoc Networks WG of the IETF. Title : Link Identifier Extension to DLEP Authors : Rick Taylor Stan Ratliff Filename : draft-ietf-manet-dlep-lid-extension-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2017-12-15 Abstract: There exists a class of modems that wish to support the Dynamic Link Exchange Protocol (DLEP) [RFC8175] but do not present a single Layer 2 network domain as required by DLEP. Such devices may be: o Modems that maintain a varying link to some upstream backbone network infrastructure, where the ability to announce link state and DLEP metrics is desired, but the concept of a DLEP destination router for the backbone does not apply. Examples of such devices can include LTE modems, IEEE 802.11 stations not in ad-hoc mode, and some satellite terminals. o Modems that provide Layer 3 wide area network connectivity between devices, where individual DLEP destinations do exist, but are not directly reachable by MAC address. This document introduces an optional extension to the core DLEP specification, allowing DLEP to be used between routers and modems that operate in this way. Note: o This document is intended as an extension to the core DLEP specification, and readers are expected to be fully conversant with the operation of core DLEP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-lid-extension/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-lid-extension-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-lid-extension-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/