From nobody Tue Jul 10 14:33:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30D01310C7 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZeP4pUNdezp for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 539111310FE for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw13.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B7E1E0C6F for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id czm3f9w3CYe1jczm3fr3UW; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:02:15 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TqY7Z2UfzfngSZMgIeKZbJgXnSJ8gNOlC2jO6LrwyPM=; b=A9aJuVj+Hij+M7Scwt9IXaYx/e iFmUVP1yn/FqkzypfTfmmj102LEaBrQ/ZMQ8g7HOcPGYL8rWplyiOVBvwpFXybcDAcCRwVDkk7wRl ijhREqSedNSv4nh2DBmS2Yfy7; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:59066 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fczlz-002Goq-O4 for manet@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:02:15 -0600 To: MANET IETF From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <0b369e1f-ca7b-54fb-b473-610fef95630f@labn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:01:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fczlz-002Goq-O4 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:59066 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [manet] DLEP discussions @ IETF102 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:33:24 -0000 Just as a heads up - We plan to present a couple of DLEP topics in CCAMP next week. The interesting part is the credit based flow control draft reorganization and request for adoption call on IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Extension draft (draft-berger-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension) -- I still have no idea which WG would do such an adoption call (MANET or CCAMP...) The less interesting part is a brief update on our DLEP extensions that are post LC:     DLEP Latency Range Extension     draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-03     DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension     draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-05     DLEP Control Plane Based Pause Extension <-- which had a 1 LC related change discussed on the list     draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-04 Cheers, Lou (and co-authors) From nobody Thu Jul 12 03:46:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7F61310C5 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:46:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGIez944nsKu for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48E3D1310C2 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id d22-v6so15153060qkc.8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:46:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ORuf4usuPM/S3WZxucDJNEky/M2VLS+IGmD+584sixk=; b=Sa06XPlC1n7M39QJiSrRqAlVQH2FDLPd+tra9w1TzuXsuB8o8F103orK9j02o8mQf0 WSemukD/GCV48e3qvfLVfW3JiCJ7UQzIo7V7fwi7MbjvizqbSw7pEWKtb92lhlUjxrzj P9MS5FWvY69UwRUl2feUonvgbUj0ZnKb+lxbcVL+POtW3yqyrPcwt/kWPjlxRL/c6ELB x9Mi7jRzqZDMBBg6WwKao6F0VQXNC+GW8Sw/fuXQOHEvl3Eu5nFbcXgj11J8btuAyEhu DcDM2QnrICoReSINfoXkAKJg+XGIN/UDNefRkXZU2b7lKENFA8WemsWPK/nOQAz0cNxn B1tA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ORuf4usuPM/S3WZxucDJNEky/M2VLS+IGmD+584sixk=; b=OjSe9V2cvuOnfdoZ5fBnr182YIRbAsLS3ObmTE/0b+1/gRqlBpoglkLMGWAne/ejNY K7bMtnZ8tYW9b+pGetRN3ysYsRjx8o6TNtpgZ3FqEhUpQdf4bO4lcrveUECFEogbFdBq qlpYak9IIFOKQstUt4DtiESFztdCKQpG5w8o76Oy7pBTCyUZIqR0tU89Cz2kBwYadKdK 2NU5Rbqn4uPPGrgHMV9GcCaY4SeBJN9Tbv3Ygx1jcJJuruNyGDajPWJ7zjREobucHZox CUKe78Yf0QjXyk/xpflZ0pi/XcJzD02IyN9sEuDZ8I87jxGllRJb6q8TlfIDq+ziycsT OFXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHOWOk7XpOsFFSC6/Z56MbaTwHO/WQVEvRtSj0/nWKkx+pmF4Z3 MJmmys7z+FaJfI+GrbXzeZIBG5CDyGvR+eHvmUM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcDuey4SXH6SqwDPW8Aql1OGXWRrvxAL14m+19lfQyXrImfrBfk+KdkUZzTK50fFEFkm9KZioWU/i5F9GNBjFY= X-Received: by 2002:a37:5c81:: with SMTP id q123-v6mr1176947qkb.8.1531392361178; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:46:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0b369e1f-ca7b-54fb-b473-610fef95630f@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <0b369e1f-ca7b-54fb-b473-610fef95630f@labn.net> From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:45:23 +0200 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] DLEP discussions @ IETF102 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 10:46:06 -0000 Hi, I wonder if someone has found a good way to implement the router flow control part (in Linux) without using the "Pause" mechanism (which is normally a pretty crude thing to use)... Most traffic classes don't allow setting absolute amounts of bytes that are allowed to be transmitted. Henning On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:33 PM Lou Berger wrote: > > Just as a heads up - We plan to present a couple of DLEP topics in CCAMP > next week. > > The interesting part is the credit based flow control draft > reorganization and request for adoption call on IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit > Window Extension draft (draft-berger-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension) > -- I still have no idea which WG would do such an adoption call (MANET > or CCAMP...) > > The less interesting part is a brief update on our DLEP extensions that > are post LC: > > DLEP Latency Range Extension > draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-03 > DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension > draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-05 > DLEP Control Plane Based Pause Extension <-- which had a 1 LC > related change discussed on the list > draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-04 > > Cheers, > > Lou (and co-authors) > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet From nobody Thu Jul 12 05:29:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB549130EF4 for ; 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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0b369e1f-ca7b-54fb-b473-610fef95630f@labn.net> In-Reply-To: From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:50:32 +0200 Message-ID: To: Rick Taylor Cc: Lou Berger , MANET IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] DLEP discussions @ IETF102 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:51:15 -0000 On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rick Taylor wrote: > > Hi Henning, > > I too have been looking at this. I imagine what's needed a new queue > implementation for the tc subsystem that implements token bucket with a > netlink API to user-mode to allow it to be topped up from time to time. Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking too... but it need to be a TC queue that can be nested below something like a priority queue, otherwise flow control for multiple traffic classes (in combination with the LID draft) would be difficult. 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charset=us-ascii Archived-At: Subject: [manet] Special Issue "Sensors for Green Computing", Sensors (I.F.: 2.475) X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 21:46:38 -0000 Special Issue "Sensors for Green Computing" A special issue of Sensors (ISSN 1424-8220). http://www.mdpi.com/journal/sensors/special_issues/sens_green_comput Deadline for manuscript submissions: 31 July 2018 Guest Editors Assoc. 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Keywords Energy optimization framework for sensor enabled next generation heterogeneous networks Cooperative scheduling of communication and computing for heterogeneous networks Light-weight computing architectures for next generation heterogeneous networks Interference aware communication models for next generation heterogeneous networks Edge computing oriented decentralized computing architectures for heterogeneous networks Quantity of energy oriented modeling for next generation heterogeneous networks Energy oriented propagation models for next generation heterogeneous networks Energy oriented frameworks for under water sensor enabled heterogeneous networks Access control based energy models for sensor enabled heterogeneous body area networks Energy saving in video oriented traffic data delivery in heterogeneous vehicular networks From nobody Mon Jul 30 15:07:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD1F1313C3 for ; 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Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:02:35 -0600 To: MANET IETF From: Lou Berger Cc: "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Message-ID: <59d144dd-4ed9-cbf1-77e6-10f07f52f901@labn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:02:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.106.211 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fkGFP-000Wft-JL X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-106-211.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.106.211]:47862 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [manet] planned next steps based on IETF 102 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:07:44 -0000 Hi,     I wanted to confirm a few points discussed at the last meeting (hosted by CCAMP) before making any changes.  Here's what I understood from the meeting: 1) WRT draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control-02 : The discussion concluded that the credit window control mechanisms (messages and DIs) should be split from the traffic classification mechanisms.  Assuming there is agreement, the traffic classification will be moved into draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.  Stan will also be added as an author of draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control as credit window control is derivative of his earlier work. Does anyone object to this change? Do the chairs agree with this change?  (once you do, I'll submit the related updates -- this impacts the four drafts.) 2) WRT draft-berger-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension-00 The few people in the room who were interested in the topic, were supportive of adopting this draft. WG chairs, can we proceed with an adoption poll or is the more WG organization decisions to be made? That's it, Lou From nobody Tue Jul 31 10:44:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9B6130F47 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:44:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CqD1UViN9Ydr for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAD52130F34 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw14.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.14]) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AAC43B54 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id kYd0fm7WkvdTukYd0faxxf; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:40:10 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:References:Cc:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ssUMIvfO49r9oSEkK5SOhYd1ySPJPML2EE3FvHiDHCQ=; b=CJyMTJTAy8H5kNvXW+n1VvWxCD APJ71FvKAl0Tr5x0YOD2WbSyB2xzlUz9zwgF31ZWvHBca/sMJYOrBPcqcqZrycLPMoV7FrTxRC1kW hEZDXm0D0Pg+6LuxECQpn04v6; Received: from pool-100-15-106-211.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.106.211]:44258 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fkYd0-001Avz-FY; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:40:10 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: MANET IETF Cc: "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" References: <59d144dd-4ed9-cbf1-77e6-10f07f52f901@labn.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:40:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59d144dd-4ed9-cbf1-77e6-10f07f52f901@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.106.211 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fkYd0-001Avz-FY X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-106-211.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.106.211]:44258 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Org: HG=bhcustomer;ORG=bluehost; X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [manet] planned next steps based on IETF 102 X-BeenThere: manet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:44:46 -0000 Please see https://github.com/louberger/dlep-extensions to see a preview of the split discussed below (per IETF102). Lou On 7/30/2018 6:02 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > >     I wanted to confirm a few points discussed at the last meeting > (hosted by CCAMP) before making any changes.  Here's what I understood > from the meeting: > > 1) WRT draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control-02 : > > The discussion concluded that the credit window control mechanisms > (messages and DIs) should be split from the traffic classification > mechanisms.  Assuming there is agreement, the traffic classification > will be moved into draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.  Stan > will also be added as an author of > draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control as credit window control is > derivative of his earlier work. > > Does anyone object to this change? > > Do the chairs agree with this change?  (once you do, I'll submit the > related updates -- this impacts the four drafts.) > > > 2) WRT draft-berger-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension-00 > > The few people in the room who were interested in the topic, were > supportive of adopting this draft. > > WG chairs, can we proceed with an adoption poll or is the more WG > organization decisions to be made? > > That's it, > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet