Received: from zodiac.codesimply.com (zodiac.codesimply.com [66.179.181.95]) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LLEs2t024945 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:14:54 -0800 Received: by zodiac.codesimply.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C82C2E6237; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:14:53 -0400 From: Ricardo SIGNES To: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [feedback-report] Email::ARF::Report, etc Message-ID: <20070321211452.GC20546@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20070321163001.GB25216@zodiac.codesimply.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Message-Flag: Warning: This sender thinks he is better than you. X-Planet: Planet of the Apes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: rjbs-arf@lists.manxome.org X-BeenThere: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Public forum for discussion on the feedback-report draft List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:14:59 -0000 * Steve Atkins [2007-03-21T12:49:20] > On Mar 20, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > >MIME::ARF exists, but it's not on the CPAN -- which means that in a lot of > >ways, it might as well not exist. > > It's not on CPAN yet as I was waiting for the spec to stabilise. We seem to > be at that point now. Yeah. Admittedly, I am more likely to publish before it's done so that people can tell me what stinks. > I'd like to chat with you, off-list, about what best to do with MIME::ARF > (in namespace terms, apart from anything else). Sounds good. Drop me a line to my CPAN address, or join the Perl Email Project list, where I've had some dicussion of this: http://emailproject.perl.org/wiki/Getting_Involved -- rjbs Received: from zodiac.codesimply.com (zodiac.codesimply.com [66.179.181.95]) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LJe9Qv003240 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:40:09 -0800 Received: by zodiac.codesimply.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A8EB62E6267; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:40:07 -0400 From: Ricardo SIGNES To: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [feedback-report] Email::ARF::Report, etc Message-ID: <20070321194007.GA4061@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Message-Flag: Warning: This sender thinks he is better than you. X-Planet: Planet of the Apes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: rjbs-arf@lists.manxome.org X-BeenThere: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Public forum for discussion on the feedback-report draft List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:40:12 -0000 * Damon Sauer [2007-03-21T15:33:34] > Why not just use: "Content-Type: multipart/digest;" (ref= > http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/7_2_Multipart.html ) > > It defaults the entire message to: message/rfc22 It looks to me like this is a suggestion for the ARF spec, rather than for Email::ARF. Is that correct? I haven't been part of the spec design or discussion, so I'm just implementing what the draft says. My first reaction is that more things already know how to deal with a normal multipart type than with the digest type, which is less common. Producers would probably find that they had to specify that the content type is message/rfc822, thus eliminating that benefit. Further, the digest type is generally supposed to indicate a cluster of messages, not a cluster of messages all describing one datum. -- rjbs Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LJXbwZ002021 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:33:37 -0800 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so264080nze for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BZSkEdM2KH2VOJZPm5EVhsu9Dm5bPQCkznTUgeeH5/gWZgXSXVxKUxwIyMm5X0JRrzDzroyehtUkC1ZGYHzcHcjYxxm9UScA6ZOH3PvDYxI0nX1KLPf1YzcVtLIE7E4htTGa159vu60kXivlGMi/2gi1H2pasm3nS47GFQ819fY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QojFn7HmWQDMyhxZPDZwZGK3XNah7sEuwYBtZo6kLxFQN+DXiJlX5C2h9lEUCraFR5phlzoHFrC9JMBS8NifcIcflRyV+R+AnWky+cLpmaZYMjH8RK7wodYYhpuoRvQE5cS7B9DlXd1Mkj+i8gqu3YBVTOw78GhV+jBqSshad6U= Received: by 10.64.112.8 with SMTP id k8mr11106452qbc.1174505614377; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.176.19 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:33:34 -0400 From: "Damon Sauer" To: "Ricardo SIGNES" Subject: Re: [feedback-report] Email::ARF::Report, etc In-Reply-To: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34719_6686999.1174505614314" References: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: qvantvs@gmail.com Cc: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org X-BeenThere: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Public forum for discussion on the feedback-report draft List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:33:40 -0000 ------=_Part_34719_6686999.1174505614314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Greeting from earth! I had a suggestion earlier- Why not just use: "Content-Type: multipart/digest;" (ref= http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/7_2_Multipart.html ) It defaults the entire message to: message/rfc22 You can put the different parts of the complaint into their own capsule for people reading with a MIME enabled reader - there by rendering it 'safe'... and it would also follow a nice format for automated/programmatic readers/scripts to parse. On 3/20/07, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > > Hello. This list looks pretty quiet, but in case people are still > listening: > > My name is Ricardo Signes. I work at IC Group, which means I work for > Pobox > (an ESP that does email services for individuals) and Listbox (an ESP that > does > list explosion). I'm the current holder of the "guy who has to figure out > how > to keep the major ISPs happy" pumpkin. > > I'm also the chief maintainer of the Perl Email Project > (http://emailproject.perl.org), which means I'm the guy who tries to make > sure > that the email-handling modules on the CPAN are as well-maintained and > sane as > they can be. > > Today I uploaded a new dist, Email-ARF, which only contains one useful > package > so far, Email::ARF::Report. Given an email message containing an ARF > report, > it provides an object to handle the report's content. It will be very > useful > for me for handling AOL scomp mail, but before I start versioning it above > zero > or saying crazy things like, "this interface is not going to change a > lot," I > thought I'd run it past you folks. > > I will probably be making a "create" method for Email::ARF::Report (or > maybe a > Email::ARF::Producer class) in the near future. I know that MIME::ARF > exists, > but it's not on the CPAN -- which means that in a lot of ways, it might as > well > not exist. Also, I needed the parser more than the producer; having > written > that, it would be nice to have a producer that uses the same conventions. > > I am open to feedback! > > Email-ARF will show up on search.cpan.org sometime in the next few hours, > here: > > http://search.cpan.org/dist/Email-ARF/ > > Until then, you can get the tarball here: > > http://pause.perl.org/incoming/Email-ARF-0.000.tar.gz > > -- > rjbs > _______________________________________________ > abuse-feedback-report mailing list > abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org > http://mipassoc.org/mailman/listinfo/abuse-feedback-report > ------=_Part_34719_6686999.1174505614314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Greeting from earth!
 
I had a suggestion earlier-
 
Why not just use: "Content-Type: multipart/digest;" (ref= http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/7_2_Multipart.html  )
 
It defaults the entire message to: message/rfc22
  
You can put the different parts of the complaint into their own capsule for people reading with a MIME enabled reader - there by rendering it 'safe'... and it would also follow a nice format for automated/programmatic readers/scripts to parse.


 
On 3/20/07, Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-arf@lists.manxome.org> wrote:

Hello.  This list looks pretty quiet, but in case people are still listening:

My name is Ricardo Signes.  I work at IC Group, which means I work for Pobox
(an ESP that does email services for individuals) and Listbox (an ESP that does
list explosion).  I'm the current holder of the "guy who has to figure out how
to keep the major ISPs happy" pumpkin.

I'm also the chief maintainer of the Perl Email Project
(http://emailproject.perl.org), which means I'm the guy who tries to make sure
that the email-handling modules on the CPAN are as well-maintained and sane as
they can be.

Today I uploaded a new dist, Email-ARF, which only contains one useful package
so far, Email::ARF::Report.  Given an email message containing an ARF report,
it provides an object to handle the report's content.  It will be very useful
for me for handling AOL scomp mail, but before I start versioning it above zero
or saying crazy things like, "this interface is not going to change a lot," I
thought I'd run it past you folks.

I will probably be making a "create" method for Email::ARF::Report (or maybe a
Email::ARF::Producer class) in the near future.  I know that MIME::ARF exists,
but it's not on the CPAN -- which means that in a lot of ways, it might as well
not exist.  Also, I needed the parser more than the producer; having written
that, it would be nice to have a producer that uses the same conventions.

I am open to feedback!

Email-ARF will show up on search.cpan.org sometime in the next few hours, here:

http://search.cpan.org/dist/Email-ARF/

Until then, you can get the tarball here:

http://pause.perl.org/incoming/Email-ARF-0.000.tar.gz

--
rjbs
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This list looks pretty quiet, but in case people are still > listening: > > My name is Ricardo Signes. I work at IC Group, which means I work > for Pobox > (an ESP that does email services for individuals) and Listbox (an > ESP that does > list explosion). I'm the current holder of the "guy who has to > figure out how > to keep the major ISPs happy" pumpkin. > > I'm also the chief maintainer of the Perl Email Project > (http://emailproject.perl.org), which means I'm the guy who tries > to make sure > that the email-handling modules on the CPAN are as well-maintained > and sane as > they can be. > > Today I uploaded a new dist, Email-ARF, which only contains one > useful package > so far, Email::ARF::Report. Given an email message containing an > ARF report, > it provides an object to handle the report's content. It will be > very useful > for me for handling AOL scomp mail, but before I start versioning > it above zero > or saying crazy things like, "this interface is not going to change > a lot," I > thought I'd run it past you folks. > > I will probably be making a "create" method for Email::ARF::Report > (or maybe a > Email::ARF::Producer class) in the near future. I know that > MIME::ARF exists, > but it's not on the CPAN -- which means that in a lot of ways, it > might as well > not exist. > It's not on CPAN yet as I was waiting for the spec to stabilise. We seem to be at that point now. > Also, I needed the parser more than the producer; having written > that, it would be nice to have a producer that uses the same > conventions. > > I am open to feedback! > I'd like to chat with you, off-list, about what best to do with MIME::ARF (in namespace terms, apart from anything else). Cheers, Steve Received: from zodiac.codesimply.com (zodiac.codesimply.com [66.179.181.95]) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LGU34j005201 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:30:03 -0800 Received: by zodiac.codesimply.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 563252E6237; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:30:02 -0400 From: Ricardo SIGNES To: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [feedback-report] Email::ARF::Report, etc Message-ID: <20070321163001.GB25216@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> X-Message-Flag: Warning: This sender thinks he is better than you. X-Planet: Planet of the Apes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: rjbs-arf@lists.manxome.org X-BeenThere: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Public forum for discussion on the feedback-report draft List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:30:05 -0000 * Ricardo SIGNES [2007-03-20T22:33:36] > I will probably be making a "create" method for Email::ARF::Report (or maybe > a Email::ARF::Producer class) in the near future. I know that MIME::ARF > exists, but it's not on the CPAN -- which means that in a lot of ways, it > might as well not exist. Also, I needed the parser more than the producer; > having written that, it would be nice to have a producer that uses the same > conventions. I've added that method, although I can promise that I will soon refactor it. I really don't like that the "new" method gets an ARF report and the "create" method gets a standard MIME message. This may just get solved by having the MIME message representation of an ARF report available via an "as_email" or "as_string" method. (Then again, it's nice to have parsed reports be immutable and generated reports be mutable, but cautious programming is probably better than premature complexification, now.) The "create" method appears in version 0.001, on the CPAN now. -- rjbs Received: from zodiac.codesimply.com (zodiac.codesimply.com [66.179.181.95]) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2L2Xc4Z019801 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:33:38 -0800 Received: by zodiac.codesimply.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B0CD12E6237; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:33:36 -0400 From: Ricardo SIGNES To: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org Message-ID: <20070321023336.GA8532@zodiac.codesimply.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Message-Flag: Warning: This sender thinks he is better than you. X-Planet: Planet of the Apes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: rjbs-arf@lists.manxome.org Subject: [feedback-report] Email::ARF::Report, etc X-BeenThere: abuse-feedback-report@mipassoc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Public forum for discussion on the feedback-report draft List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:33:43 -0000 Hello. This list looks pretty quiet, but in case people are still listening: My name is Ricardo Signes. I work at IC Group, which means I work for Pobox (an ESP that does email services for individuals) and Listbox (an ESP that does list explosion). I'm the current holder of the "guy who has to figure out how to keep the major ISPs happy" pumpkin. I'm also the chief maintainer of the Perl Email Project (http://emailproject.perl.org), which means I'm the guy who tries to make sure that the email-handling modules on the CPAN are as well-maintained and sane as they can be. Today I uploaded a new dist, Email-ARF, which only contains one useful package so far, Email::ARF::Report. Given an email message containing an ARF report, it provides an object to handle the report's content. It will be very useful for me for handling AOL scomp mail, but before I start versioning it above zero or saying crazy things like, "this interface is not going to change a lot," I thought I'd run it past you folks. I will probably be making a "create" method for Email::ARF::Report (or maybe a Email::ARF::Producer class) in the near future. I know that MIME::ARF exists, but it's not on the CPAN -- which means that in a lot of ways, it might as well not exist. Also, I needed the parser more than the producer; having written that, it would be nice to have a producer that uses the same conventions. I am open to feedback! Email-ARF will show up on search.cpan.org sometime in the next few hours, here: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Email-ARF/ Until then, you can get the tarball here: http://pause.perl.org/incoming/Email-ARF-0.000.tar.gz -- rjbs