From spencer@wonderhamster.org Fri Dec 4 19:54:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73353A68EC for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.574, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xg-yiB7vlIhl for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6753A68E5 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML6Fd-1NGUbD2ahN-0009TA; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:53:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19eWe+a5Z0KExbjrsjPyOKKXygKKMYhaiASDfh 6itVfgmV4VFFIZ3s/iUbQDiA5kUWlajuAuVDR+lAlfFU0+ghXu fNDXrez6fiUXDvX8ihNcfe12jLJGcy4jr9RhkGF+9U= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:01:40 -0800 Subject: [martini] Status of MARTINI X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:54:00 -0000 Just to confirm - this list is active, and the IESG approved the proposed charter for a two-week Last Call... Thanks, Spencer From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Fri Dec 4 20:47:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD4F3A67E9 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:47:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5TDylg3Ljf2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FEF3A6783 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:47:47 -0500 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:47:47 -0500 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "martini@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:47:45 -0500 Thread-Topic: Martini mechanism Thread-Index: Acp1ZhYvQljXDFvAQGq5EtkJs+VdKA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [martini] Martini mechanism X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:47:58 -0000 All right, I'll be the first to say it: Although the topic is very dry, this WG needs to shake things up a bit, but= not stir up too much trouble.=20 -hadriel From richard@shockey.us Tue Dec 8 11:51:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F603A68A2 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.315 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.315 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.650, BAYES_50=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LPyMUCs4Q-gl for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DAF33A690C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12102 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 19:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 19:51:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=shockey.us; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid:X-Identified-User; b=Gmavoh+H+fyUxUiGR0lemvqWO/qeQvMVCNsD0EbIepYdMHy4CIlrGrdlBaqvAQkY4830SQtyfG5VB2LL2dk0oe9XgFSPsRk2TFL6OV46OeGiJT4MTXvMbY6RVjK/U3Eg; Received: from pool-96-241-233-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([96.241.233.91] helo=rshockeyPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NI65P-00005c-R2 for martini@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:51:04 -0700 From: "Richard Shockey" To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:51:01 -0500 Message-ID: <01e401ca783f$c59bdf40$50d39dc0$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp4P8N95fdkpODCThmX9PXDul4vaA== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: YYw= APa8 Ain3 BlLp CjMz C1MZ C1Pk C43M FfmO GVYT Hqoq IdlH IqCs JSX6 Jr1X LYK3; 1; bQBhAHIAdABpAG4AaQBAAGkAZQB0AGYALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {304F50B5-B8DA-438D-8D00-64F42F0CB58F}; cgBpAGMAaABhAHIAZABAAHMAaABvAGMAawBlAHkALgB1AHMA; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:50:59 GMT; agB1AHMAdAAgAGMAaABlAGMAawBpAG4AZwAgAHQAbwAgAHMAZQBlACAAaQBmACAAdABoAGkAcwAgAHcAYQBzACAAdwBvAHIAawBpAG4AZwAuAC4ALgAgAFQARQBTAFQA x-cr-puzzleid: {304F50B5-B8DA-438D-8D00-64F42F0CB58F} X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 96.241.233.91 authed with richard+shockey.us} Subject: [martini] just checking to see if this was working... TEST X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:51:17 -0000 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting Chairman of the Board of Directors SIP Forum PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683 skype: rshockey101 LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/rshockey101 http//www.sipforum.org From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Dec 8 14:24:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D283A6999; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.136 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.027, BAYES_05=-1.11, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2BtC-jlr-0zt; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4253A694F; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LnQ3S-1NiwZR2SPm-00hjwq; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:23:51 -0500 Message-ID: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:23:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18fUPZ4yDDsptMgRVnbJWHyE5XwegdBNXMY3AB +aJaMaso16iDm86WrCqWVOa3gG/hjmQ+XpeHKWIZCMVMogU39h QPmUanSK6EThL7t+eAj73IP6nJJAWdziAJJVwF98aI= Cc: martini@ietf.org Subject: [martini] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0000 Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI (acronym for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be used for discussion of what has variously been called "implicit registration", "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created to discuss means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can dynamically register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record ("AORs") with a service provider. The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: General Discussion: martini@ietf.org To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org In Body: subscribe Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed work go forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed charter to be sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you should see that announcement popping out fairly quickly. That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and we'll be discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near future, so please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. Thanks! Spencer From ben@estacado.net Tue Dec 8 14:28:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AA23A6A90; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.497, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aoy35GrgoyxC; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from estacado.net (dsl001-129-069.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net [72.1.129.69]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E149C3A6A8E; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.8] (adsl-68-94-28-128.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [68.94.28.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by estacado.net (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nB8MRAm0028743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:27:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@estacado.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ben Campbell X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:27:04 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> To: Spencer Dawkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:01:58 -0800 Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, rai@ietf.org, martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:28:43 -0000 DRINKS, now MARTINI? Is there a trend there? On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI = (acronym > for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be used = for > discussion of what has variously been called "implicit registration", > "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. >=20 > To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created to = discuss > means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can = dynamically > register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record = ("AORs") > with a service provider. >=20 > The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: >=20 > General Discussion: martini@ietf.org > To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org > In Body: subscribe > Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html >=20 > Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed = work go > forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed charter = to be > sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you should = see > that announcement popping out fairly quickly. >=20 > That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and = we'll be > discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near future, = so > please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Spencer=20 > _______________________________________________ > RAI mailing list > RAI@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai From rbarnes@bbn.com Tue Dec 8 15:30:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8783A692D; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:30:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aY3huW2nfUZu; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.bbn.com (smtp.bbn.com [128.33.1.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F295A3A683D; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.1.255.190] (helo=col-dhcp-192-1-255-190.bbn.com) by smtp.bbn.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI97f-0003XQ-CC; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:05:35 -0500 From: Richard Barnes To: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> X-Priority: 3 References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:05:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:59:48 -0800 Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, rai@ietf.org, martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:30:26 -0000 I know SIMPLE has already done some work in this area, but I think we may need a BoF on INTER-domain eVENT distributION. --Richard On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > DRINKS, now MARTINI? Is there a trend there? > > On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > >> Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI >> (acronym >> for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be used >> for >> discussion of what has variously been called "implicit registration", >> "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. >> >> To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created >> to discuss >> means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can >> dynamically >> register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record >> ("AORs") >> with a service provider. >> >> The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: >> >> General Discussion: martini@ietf.org >> To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org >> In Body: subscribe >> Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html >> >> Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed >> work go >> forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed >> charter to be >> sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you >> should see >> that announcement popping out fairly quickly. >> >> That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and >> we'll be >> discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near >> future, so >> please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> RAI mailing list >> RAI@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai > > _______________________________________________ > RAI mailing list > RAI@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai From root@core3.amsl.com Tue Dec 8 16:00:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@ietf.org Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id ED2783A695F; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: IESG Secretary To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091209000001.ED2783A695F@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:00:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: martini@ietf.org Subject: [martini] WG Review: Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication (MARTINI) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:00:02 -0000 A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday, December 15, 2009. Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication (MARTINI) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current Status: Proposed Working Group Last Modified: 2009-12-08 Chair(s): TBD Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s): Robert Sparks Cullen Jennings Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor: Cullen Jennings Technical Advisor(s): Mailing Lists: General Discussion: martini@ietf.org To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org In Body: subscribe Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html Description of Working Group The MARTINI working group is chartered to specify a means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can dynamically register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record ("AORs") with a service provider. The SIP protocol [RFC 3261 and its extensions] supports multiple means of obtaining the connection information necessary to deliver out-of-dialog SIP requests to their intended targets. When a SIP Proxy needs to send a request to a target AOR within its domain, it can use a location service to obtain the registered contact URI, together with any associated path information [RFC 3327], and build a route set to reach the target UA(s). The SIP REGISTER method can be used to register contact URIs and path information. SIP-outbound [RFC 5626] enhances this mechanism to cater for UAs behind NATs and firewalls. When a SIP UA or Proxy needs to send a request to a target for which it is not authoritative, the UA/Proxy can use RFC3263 procedures for using DNS to resolve the next-hop connection information. In practice, many small and medium-sized businesses use a SIP-PBX that is authoritative for tens or hundreds of SIP AoRs. This SIP-PBX acts as a registrar/proxy for these AoRs for clients hosted by the SIP-PBX. UAs register with the SIP-PBX on behalf of the AoRs concerned. A SIP Service Provider (SSP) provides SIP peering/trunking capability to the SIP PBX. The SIP-PBX must be reachable from the SSP so that the SSP can route inbound SIP requests for the AoRs addressed to the SIP PBX, routing these requests to the SIP-PBX itself for onward delivery to registered UAs. Experience has shown that existing mechanisms are not always sufficient to support SIP-PBXs for small/medium businesses. Since a single SSP may support multiple thousands of such SMB SIP-PBX's, it is impractical and cost-prohibitive to manually provision their IP addresses in every SIP node along paths to those SIP-PBXs. Furthermore, IP addresses can be dynamically assigned and therefore can potentially change relatively frequently. In current deployments, dynamic reachability mechanisms based on the SIP REGISTER method are commonly used. Effectively, a single REGISTER request registers the AoR of the SIP-PBX, so that any out-of-dialog request targeted at a SIP URI for which the SIP-PBX is authoritative can be delivered from the SSP to the SIP-PBX. However, implementations of this mechanism vary in details, leading to interoperability issues between SIP-PBXs and SSPs, and the need for equipment to support different variants. The task of this working group is to to standardize a multiple-AoR registration mechanism for SIP that can be widely deployed by service providers at large scale. The solution will support AoRs with E.164 addresses at a minimum, although support for other classes of AoRs may be included. The solution will utilize existing SIP mechanisms to the extent possible, although it is anticipated that small protocol extensions are likely to be required, and hence a standards track (rather than BCP) deliverable is expected. The solution will accommodate existing SIP extensions relating to registration (e.g., Path, Service-Route [RFC 3608] and SIP-outbound) by ensuring that they are not precluded from use in the context of multiple AoR registrations. The solution will incorporate a compatibility mechanism to ensure a deterministic outcome when interworking with entities that do not support multiple AoR registration. The working group will coordinate with SIP Forum and other industry groups on requirements and will coordinate its work with other IETF working groups including DRINKS and SIPCORE. Goals and Milestones Dec 2009 Solicit solution-space drafts Jan 2010 Interim meeting Jan 2010 Adopt Working Group draft Feb 2010 First Working Group Last Call Mar 2010 Second Working Group Last Call Apr 2010 Multiple AoR Registration specification to IESG (PS) Jul 2010 Close or recharter working group From hmmr@cisco.com Tue Dec 8 16:15:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B915E3A69AE; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:15:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XKGhCxCGWlz3; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597573A69BF; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:15:00 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJd6HkurRN+J/2dsb2JhbADBFpc4hDIE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,364,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="116388019" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2009 00:14:48 +0000 Received: from xbh-rcd-202.cisco.com (xbh-rcd-202.cisco.com [72.163.62.201]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB90ElZN028377; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:14:47 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-111.cisco.com ([72.163.62.153]) by xbh-rcd-202.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:14:47 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:14:46 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) Thread-Index: Acp4VchcJjTJGx6QT5ChxBNwEDZijQADosTg References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> From: "Mike Hammer (hmmr)" To: "Ben Campbell" , "Spencer Dawkins" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2009 00:14:47.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DCED100:01CA7864] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:31:52 -0800 Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, rai@ietf.org, martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:01 -0000 Probably an occupational hazard. What next? What Hype Is SIP Keen on Evolving to Yet (WHISKEY)? :) Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben > Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:27 PM > To: Spencer Dawkins > Cc: dispatch@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; martini@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) >=20 > DRINKS, now MARTINI? Is there a trend there? >=20 > On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >=20 > > Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI > (acronym > > for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be used for > > discussion of what has variously been called "implicit registration", > > "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. > > > > To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created to > discuss > > means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can > dynamically > > register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record > ("AORs") > > with a service provider. > > > > The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: > > > > General Discussion: martini@ietf.org > > To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org > > In Body: subscribe > > Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html > > > > Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed work > go > > forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed charter to > be > > sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you should > see > > that announcement popping out fairly quickly. > > > > That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and we'll > be > > discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near future, so > > please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > > RAI mailing list > > RAI@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai >=20 > _______________________________________________ > RAI mailing list > RAI@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Dec 8 16:33:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C783A69CD; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KIrWqXlPLYzp; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (stpeter.im [207.210.219.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0863A6955; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from leavealone.cisco.com (72-163-0-129.cisco.com [72.163.0.129]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3493B40126; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:33:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1EF04A.6070309@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:33:14 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike Hammer (hmmr)" References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: url=http://www.saint-andre.com/me/stpeter.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090100000203030708010702" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:42:35 -0800 Cc: Ben Campbell , dispatch@ietf.org, rai@ietf.org, martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:33:29 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090100000203030708010702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit /me is looking forward to the SCOTCH BoF... ;-) On 12/8/09 5:14 PM, Mike Hammer (hmmr) wrote: > Probably an occupational hazard. > > What next? > > What Hype Is SIP Keen on Evolving to Yet (WHISKEY)? :) > > Mike > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ben >> Campbell >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:27 PM >> To: Spencer Dawkins >> Cc: dispatch@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; martini@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - > DREGS) >> DRINKS, now MARTINI? Is there a trend there? >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> >>> Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI >> (acronym >>> for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be used > for >>> discussion of what has variously been called "implicit > registration", >>> "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. >>> >>> To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created to >> discuss >>> means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can >> dynamically >>> register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record >> ("AORs") >>> with a service provider. >>> >>> The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: >>> >>> General Discussion: martini@ietf.org >>> To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org >>> In Body: subscribe >>> Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html >>> >>> Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed > work >> go >>> forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed > charter to >> be >>> sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you > should >> see >>> that announcement popping out fairly quickly. >>> >>> That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and > we'll >> be >>> discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near future, > so >>> please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ --------------ms090100000203030708010702 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIWnDCC B1cwggY/oAMCAQICAVUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgYwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQK Ew1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSswKQYDVQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBT 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USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lmExyi9uaa9I; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.implementers.org (server.implementers.org [69.55.225.91]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D103A6955; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by server.implementers.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 97114DCC40EC; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (server.implementers.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 571D4DCC40EA; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B1EF156.1080600@acm.org> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:37:42 -0800 From: Marc Petit-Huguenin User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike Hammer (hmmr)" References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:42:35 -0800 Cc: Ben Campbell , dispatch@ietf.org, rai@ietf.org, martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:37:56 -0000 Mike Hammer (hmmr) wrote: > Probably an occupational hazard. > > What next? > > What Hype Is SIP Keen on Evolving to Yet (WHISKEY)? :) also Partial Implementation of Sip Standard, a de facto WG where PSTN carriers work hard converting MUST in SHOULD, SHOULD in MAY and MAY in "not in my lifetime". > > Mike > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ben >> Campbell >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:27 PM >> To: Spencer Dawkins >> Cc: dispatch@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; martini@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - > DREGS) >> DRINKS, now MARTINI? Is there a trend there? >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> >>> Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI >> (acronym >>> for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be used > for >>> discussion of what has variously been called "implicit > registration", >>> "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. >>> >>> To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created to >> discuss >>> means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can >> dynamically >>> register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record >> ("AORs") >>> with a service provider. >>> >>> The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: >>> >>> General Discussion: martini@ietf.org >>> To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org >>> In Body: subscribe >>> Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html >>> >>> Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed > work >> go >>> forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed > charter to >> be >>> sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you > should >> see >>> that announcement popping out fairly quickly. >>> >>> That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and > we'll >> be >>> discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near future, > so >>> please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Spencer -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Personal email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Professional email: petithug@acm.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org From richard@shockey.us Tue Dec 8 18:38:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFA13A68F9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.867, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sp8LqQ+Uow+K for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound-mail-314.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-314.bluehost.com [67.222.54.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 661243A6892 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12619 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:38:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=shockey.us; h=Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-Identified-User; b=GOMjWlf0i2MDHml4tpCqmdmQaCaV0Fy76DHTBN086JSRiI5z/eAR1hcUnlMPiGtrIb3GZzxiquhHvz23eNIEtupzz19OeaJCXp9vcuwLScI5aTHkwUOaJ0yvAUPq95A2; Received: from pool-96-241-233-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([96.241.233.91] helo=rshockeyPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NICRo-0002pa-MI; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:38:36 -0700 From: "Richard Shockey" To: "'Mike Hammer \(hmmr\)'" , "'Ben Campbell'" , "'Spencer Dawkins'" References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> <92707897-D022-4ABE-957E-052458093CF1@estacado.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:38:32 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01ca7878$b4053810$1c0fa830$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp4VchcJjTJGx6QT5ChxBNwEDZijQADosTgAAUWFaA= Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 96.241.233.91 authed with richard+shockey.us} Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, rai@ietf.org, martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:38:48 -0000 SCOTCH ... > -----Original Message----- > From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Mike Hammer (hmmr) > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:15 PM > To: Ben Campbell; Spencer Dawkins > Cc: dispatch@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; martini@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - > DREGS) > > Probably an occupational hazard. > > What next? > > What Hype Is SIP Keen on Evolving to Yet (WHISKEY)? :) > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > Ben > > Campbell > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:27 PM > > To: Spencer Dawkins > > Cc: dispatch@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; martini@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [RAI] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - > DREGS) > > > > DRINKS, now MARTINI? Is there a trend there? > > > > On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > > > > > Cullen has asked me to announce a new mailing list, called MARTINI > > (acronym > > > for "Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication"), to be > used > for > > > discussion of what has variously been called "implicit > registration", > > > "domain registration", and probably some other terms as well. > > > > > > To be a little more precise, the MARTINI mailing list was created > to > > discuss > > > means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can > > dynamically > > > register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record > > ("AORs") > > > with a service provider. > > > > > > The coordinates are in the place you'd expect: > > > > > > General Discussion: martini@ietf.org > > > To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org > > > In Body: subscribe > > > Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html > > > > > > Just to catch people up... DISPATCH recommended that this proposed > work > > go > > > forward in a mini-working group. The IESG approved a proposed > charter to > > be > > > sent for a two-week review on last Thursday's telechat, so you > should > > see > > > that announcement popping out fairly quickly. > > > > > > That charter also proposes an interim meeting in January 2010, and > we'll > > be > > > discussing logistics on the MARTINI mailing list in the near > future, > so > > > please subscribe Real Soon Now if you are interested in the topic. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > > > RAI mailing list > > > RAI@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai > > > > _______________________________________________ > > RAI mailing list > > RAI@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai > _______________________________________________ > RAI mailing list > RAI@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai From spencer@wonderhamster.org Wed Dec 9 07:35:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE14C28C137; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.756 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.756 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.016, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sqxe1ovMYMeW; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1548028C132; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LdYEs-1NzjkW0N5G-00isB9; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:35:33 -0500 Message-ID: <56F1480C226B41A78326CDE4C7D9F0D3@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: , References: <87BADCE5E5DF469CAD666A48CDCB14F8@china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:35:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19rgeBswgrLrNCKum1tIpA2sMlDTXc5Eo5Qqs1 JJSVVN6bQ20129DS+Ty0w5k6ven9AcdTBFx/lDU6TFZmRZ33CB MS7wTa8CxWmnE5yJ0447nafpQdnhg2QExfMF5ARl+U= Cc: martini@ietf.org Subject: Re: [martini] New Mailing List announcement - MARTINI (was - DREGS) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:35:46 -0000 Just to let people know - the secretariat has issued the proposed charter, at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg06799.html. Thanks, Spencer From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Wed Dec 9 09:42:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EAE3A68D2 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.331 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.331 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.333, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2wpeqUMYGx6S for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.88]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C743A6890 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-W8 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:41 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7e6e0939-20dd-4acc-a2ac-e554475060da_" X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] From: Bernard Aboba To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:41 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2009 17:42:41.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[01FCA430:01CA78F7] Subject: [martini] Virtual Interim meeting Doodle Poll X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:42:53 -0000 --_7e6e0939-20dd-4acc-a2ac-e554475060da_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As noted on the proposed WG charter=2C MARTINI WG is looking to schedule a = Virtual Interim meeting in January 2010.=20 =20 The thinking is that at two hours will be required for the Virtual Interim= =2C but we'd like to be able to reserve three hours if possible=2C in case more extended discussion is required.=20 =20 In order to nail the dates down=2C we would like to complete a Doodle poll = by Monday=2C December 14=2C to understand=20 Virtual Interim preferences/availability.=20 =20 The dates under consideration include January 7=2C 8 and 11=2C 2010. =20 =20 The Doodle poll is available below: http://www.doodle.com/summary.html?pollId=3D74uz2b233eu2vseg =20 =20 =20 =20 = --_7e6e0939-20dd-4acc-a2ac-e554475060da_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As noted on the proposed WG charter=2C MARTINI WG is looking to schedule a = Virtual Interim meeting in January 2010.
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The thinking is that at two hours will be required for the Virtual Interim= =2C but we'd like to be able to reserve three hours
if possible=2C in case more extended discussion is required.
 =3B
In order to nail the dates down=2C we would like to complete a Doodle poll = by Monday=2C December 14=2C to =3B understand
Virtual Interim preferences/availability.
 =3B
The dates under consideration =3Binclude January 7=2C 8 and 11=2C 2010.=  =3B
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The Doodle =3Bpoll is available below:
http://www.doodle.com/summary.html?pollId=3D74uz2b233= eu2vseg
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= --_7e6e0939-20dd-4acc-a2ac-e554475060da_-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Mon Dec 14 08:28:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A283A6881 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:28:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.364 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.364 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.366, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a5lRM7IMvjQw for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A063A6902 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS5 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:27:55 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:28:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C97.6211F390" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp82m/1ZHDU2jTvTvuS3QuLkrVNXA== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2009 16:27:55.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[6439BA20:01CA7CDA] Subject: [martini] Solicitations X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:28:12 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C97.6211F390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we wait for feedback on the proposed MARTINI WG charter and potential virtual interim dates, we'd like to remind everyone that thinking (and work) need not come to a standstill while the procedural wheels continue to spin. To prepare for the interim virtual meeting, we are going to need drafts (and presentations) on the following subjects: 1. Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons. 2. Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed mechanisms. While this is not a formal solicitation for either of these items (that will come once the WG charter is approved), we would like to encourage WG participants interested in the subject to gather their thoughts. Also, in addition to requesting input in the form of drafts and presentations, we would like to solicit volunteers willing to serve as document editors. ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C97.6211F390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While we wait for feedback on the proposed MARTINI = WG charter and potential virtual interim dates, we’d like to remind = everyone that thinking (and work) need not come to a standstill while the = procedural wheels continue to spin.

 

To prepare for the interim virtual meeting, we are = going to need drafts (and presentations) on the following subjects: =

 

1.       Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for = multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons.

2.       Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) = improve upon existing deployed mechanisms.

 

While this is not a formal solicitation for either = of these items (that will come once the WG charter is approved), we would like to encourage WG participants interested in the subject to gather their = thoughts.   

 

Also, in addition to requesting input in the form = of drafts and presentations, we would like to solicit volunteers willing to serve = as document editors.    

------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C97.6211F390-- From john.elwell@siemens-enterprise.com Tue Dec 15 23:09:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F5D3A68B3 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBh1ZOq7RvY4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms01.m0019.fra.mmp.de.bt.com (m0019.fra.mmp.de.bt.com [62.180.227.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0810B3A67F4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from senmx11-mx ([62.134.46.9] [62.134.46.9]) by ms01.m0020.fra.mmp.de.bt.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-298224; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:09:35 +0100 Received: from MCHP063A.global-ad.net (unknown [172.29.37.61]) by senmx11-mx (Server) with ESMTP id 2588D1EB8231; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:09:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from MCHP058A.global-ad.net ([172.29.37.55]) by MCHP063A.global-ad.net ([172.29.37.61]) with mapi; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:09:35 +0100 From: "Elwell, John" To: Bernard Aboba , "martini@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:09:33 +0100 Thread-Topic: [martini] Solicitations Thread-Index: Acp82m/1ZHDU2jTvTvuS3QuLkrVNXABQ+niw Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA51067BA8MCHP058Aglobala_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [martini] Solicitations X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:09:54 -0000 --_000_A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA51067BA8MCHP058Aglobala_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernard, I don't mind serving as a document editor. John ________________________________ From: martini-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:martini-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Bernard Aboba Sent: 14 December 2009 16:28 To: martini@ietf.org Subject: [martini] Solicitations While we wait for feedback on the proposed MARTINI WG charter and potential= virtual interim dates, we'd like to remind everyone that thinking (and wor= k) need not come to a standstill while the procedural wheels continue to sp= in. To prepare for the interim virtual meeting, we are going to need drafts (an= d presentations) on the following subjects: 1. Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR regi= stration, and their pros and cons. 2. Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing= deployed mechanisms. While this is not a formal solicitation for either of these items (that wil= l come once the WG charter is approved), we would like to encourage WG part= icipants interested in the subject to gather their thoughts. Also, in addition to requesting input in the form of drafts and presentatio= ns, we would like to solicit volunteers willing to serve as document editor= s. --_000_A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA51067BA8MCHP058Aglobala_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bernard,
 
I don't mind serving as a document=20 editor.
 
John

 
From: martini-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:martini-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bernard=20 Aboba
Sent: 14 December 2009 16:28
To:=20 martini@ietf.org
Subject: [martini]=20 Solicitations

While we wait for feedback on the proposed MARTINI W= G=20 charter and potential virtual interim dates, we’d like to remind ev= eryone that=20 thinking (and work) need not come to a standstill while the procedural wh= eels=20 continue to spin.

 

To prepare for the interim virtual meeting, we are g= oing to=20 need drafts (and presentations) on the following subjects:

 

1.      = ;=20 Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for= =20 multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons.

2.      = ;=20 Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) impr= ove=20 upon existing deployed mechanisms.

 

While this is not a formal solicitation for either o= f these=20 items (that will come once the WG charter is approved), we would like to= =20 encourage WG participants interested in the subject to gather their thoug= hts.=20   

 

Also, in addition to requesting input in the form of= drafts=20 and presentations, we would like to solicit volunteers willing to serve a= s=20 document editors.=20    

--_000_A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA51067BA8MCHP058Aglobala_-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Wed Dec 16 09:22:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0915B3A6836 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:22:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.358 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.358 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.360, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id REk0C8TuSN+w for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F2B3A69C2 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS2 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:22:04 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:22:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0394_01CA7E31.48022D80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp+dFXZIjkYz5XVQJy7ZKTMDEqFDw== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2009 17:22:04.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[4951BC80:01CA7E74] Subject: [martini] Doodle Poll Reminder X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:22:26 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0394_01CA7E31.48022D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking at the Doodle poll feedback, we have two potential virtual interim dates/times that are closely matched in terms of preferences: 1. Thursday, January 7 from 11 AM - 1 PM PDT 2. Monday, January 11 from 8 AM - 10 AM PDT Before deciding between these two dates, we'd like to ask that anyone who hasn't yet filled out the Doodle poll do so TODAY. We'll announce the choice tomorrow. The Doodle poll entry is given below: http://www.doodle.com/74uz2b233eu2vseg ------=_NextPart_000_0394_01CA7E31.48022D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking at the Doodle poll feedback, we have two = potential virtual interim dates/times that are closely matched in terms of = preferences:

 

1.       Thursday, January 7 from 11 AM – 1 PM = PDT

2.       Monday, January 11 from 8 AM – 10 AM = PDT

 

Before deciding between these two dates, we’d = like to ask that anyone who hasn’t yet filled out the Doodle poll do so = TODAY.   

We’ll announce the choice tomorrow. =

 

The Doodle poll entry is given = below:

http://www.doodle.com/74u= z2b233eu2vseg

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0394_01CA7E31.48022D80-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Thu Dec 17 08:57:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9203A67C0 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.352 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.354, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Biei1oRAmDzQ for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s36.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s36.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.111]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5DB3A63EB for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-W15 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:57:20 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ca03bb75-1ba2-4346-9a34-954f33167287_" X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] From: Bernard Aboba To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:57:20 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2009 16:57:20.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF388CC0:01CA7F39] Subject: [martini] Virtual Interim Date/Time: January 7, 2010, 11 AM - 1 PM Pacific Time X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:57:35 -0000 --_ca03bb75-1ba2-4346-9a34-954f33167287_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone who filled out the Doodle poll. =20 Based on the expressed preferences=2C the following date and time was selec= ted: January 7=2C 2010 from 11 AM - 1 PM Pacific Time.=20 More details will be forthcoming in the near future.=20 = --_ca03bb75-1ba2-4346-9a34-954f33167287_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone who filled out the Doodle poll. =3B

Based on= the expressed preferences=2C the following date and time was selected:
=
January 7=2C 2010 from 11 AM - 1 PM Pacific Time.

More details = will be forthcoming in the near future.






= = --_ca03bb75-1ba2-4346-9a34-954f33167287_-- From fluffy@cisco.com Thu Dec 17 11:59:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504763A6A20 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A+1dZWAEjR1l for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9498D3A6A1B for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:46 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEANUcKkurR7H+/2dsb2JhbAC/MZcxhC0E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,414,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="451585323" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 19:59:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBHJxVO2006863 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:59:32 GMT From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:31 -0700 Message-Id: To: Martini@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: [martini] Good news on WG approval X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:59:47 -0000 Just wanted to let folks know that IESG did approve the WG today. Thanks = everyone for the work to get us here and the hard work to come.=20 Cullen=20 From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Thu Dec 17 13:55:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFD03A68FD for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.718 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.718 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uQzt9wsPbkts for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB053A6891 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS3 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:44 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.104] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp/YNH7W/AhuPQaQvyRf7k8aozIygAAsQtw Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: KdU= ALbH BV3L Bi10 CGJm CI9v CN0n CiRk DAT8 EXD/ FEuc GVmV HoyM IHfy KyT4 MI6L; 1; bQBhAHIAdABpAG4AaQBAAGkAZQB0AGYALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {1BA560B3-A91F-4E52-913B-34BA00C1BACD}; YgBlAHIAbgBhAHIAZABhAEAAbQBpAGMAcgBvAHMAbwBmAHQALgBjAG8AbQA=; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:55:40 GMT; VgBpAHIAdAB1AGEAbAAgAEkAbgB0AGUAcgBpAG0AIABmAG8AcgAgAEoAVQBTAFQALQBhAHAAcAByAG8AdgBlAGQAIABNAEEAUgBUAEkATgBJACAAVwBHAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {1BA560B3-A91F-4E52-913B-34BA00C1BACD} X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2009 21:55:44.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[AED5FDB0:01CA7F63] Subject: [martini] Virtual Interim for JUST-approved MARTINI WG X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:55:59 -0000 What: MARTINI Virtual Interim January 7, 2010 from 11 AM - 1 PM Pacific Time Topics: - Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons - Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed mechanisms Logistics: we'll request WebEx, so please watch the MARTINI mailing list at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/current/maillist.html for logistic details From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Fri Dec 18 09:45:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39483A6930 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.271, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYwHSfwIzS8O for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A700C3A6959 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS1 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:45:09 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.104] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:45:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01CA7FC6.C901A1E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqACdbZLPd2P4I0QQqvMvfdJvyd0A== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2009 17:45:09.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7B82130:01CA8009] Subject: [martini] Formal Solicitation for Contributions X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:45:27 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CA7FC6.C901A1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that the MARTINI WG has officially been formed, we would like to issue a formal solicitation for contributions on the following subjects: . Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons. . Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed mechanisms. Solution drafts should be submitted to the IETF Internet-Draft Archive as individual submissions (e.g. draft--martini). In order to leave enough time for WG participants to read the proposals prior to the virtual interim on January 7, 2010, we would STRONGLY suggest that submissions hit the archive no later than January 2, 2010 (Happy New Year!). Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms will be accepted in a variety of formats. These include including drafts and presentations. Contributions on currently deployed mechanisms need not necessarily be comprehensive - if you only know about a particular mechanism, feel free to focus on that one. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CA7FC6.C901A1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Now that the MARTINI WG has officially been formed, = we would like to issue a formal solicitation for contributions on the following subjects: 

·         Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and = their pros and cons.

·         Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed mechanisms.

Solution drafts should be submitted to the IETF Internet-Draft Archive as individual submissions (e.g. draft-<author>-martini).  In order to leave enough time for = WG participants to read the proposals prior to the virtual interim on = January 7, 2010, we would STRONGLY suggest that submissions hit the archive no = later than January 2, 2010 (Happy New Year!).

 

Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms will = be accepted in a variety of formats.   These include including = drafts and presentations.   Contributions on currently deployed = mechanisms need not necessarily be comprehensive – if you only know about a particular mechanism, feel free to focus on that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CA7FC6.C901A1E0-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Fri Dec 18 10:06:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4CA28C0ED for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.352 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.354, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6qcMwy3UVu-j for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93A328C0E4 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS3 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:06:21 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.104] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:06:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01CA7FC9.BF266900" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqADM0O6Lu9CGbMSm6BDqpC0Yx3pw== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2009 18:06:21.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDA73250:01CA800C] Subject: [martini] Virtual Interim: Agenda Item Request X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:06:39 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01CA7FC9.BF266900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As noted in a previous message, the Virtual Interim will be taking place on Thursday, January 7, 2010 from 11 AM - 1 PM Pacific Time. The topics for the virtual interim include: . Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons . Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed mechanisms We would now like to solicit items for the agenda. If you'd have an item you'd like to discuss, please send a request to myself or Spencer ASAP. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01CA7FC9.BF266900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As noted in a = previous message, the Virtual Interim will be taking place on Thursday, January = 7, 2010 from 11 AM – 1 PM Pacific Time.  =   

 

The topics for the = virtual interim include:

 

·         Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and their = pros and cons

 

·         Drafts = describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed = mechanisms

 

We would now like = to solicit items for the agenda.  If you’d have an item you’d like = to discuss, please send a request to myself or Spencer ASAP. =

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0098_01CA7FC9.BF266900-- From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Sat Dec 19 10:21:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D4D28C0F8 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iWGwf35y5Cda for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0071F28C0F7 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:06 -0500 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:02 -0500 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "martini@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:20:55 -0500 Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.txt Thread-Index: AcqA10nX2eWO1o7qRDiXapMv7dfawQAAJiqg Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DBmail_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [martini] I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.txt X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:21:32 -0000 --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DBmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org= ] > On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:15 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 > Title : SIP IP-PBX Registration Problems > Author(s) : H. Kaplan > Filename : draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2009-12-19 >=20 > This document identifies several known issues with current IP-PBX > Registration mechanisms. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems- > 00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DBmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.url.txt" Content-Description: draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.url.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.url.txt"; size=104; creation-date="Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:15:47 GMT"; modification-date="Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:15:47 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 VGhpcyBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyByZW1vdmVkLg== --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DBmail_-- From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Sat Dec 19 10:21:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B60628C0F7 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsyNNv-mB6La for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5889D28C0F1 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:12 -0500 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:12 -0500 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "martini@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:12 -0500 Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations-00.txt Thread-Index: AcqA11JWFbPJys2QQaC2FKQkAEyFWQAALC1g Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DCmail_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [martini] I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations-00.txt X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:21:38 -0000 --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DCmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org= ] > On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:15 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations- > 00.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 > Title : Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Implicit > Registrations > Author(s) : H. Kaplan, et al. > Filename : draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit- > registrations-00.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2009-12-19 >=20 > This document defines a mechanism for providing reachability > information for multiple AoRs using a single SIP REGISTER method > transaction. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit- > registrations-00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DCmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations-00.url.txt" Content-Description: draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations-00.url.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations-00.url.txt"; size=118; creation-date="Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:16:02 GMT"; modification-date="Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:16:02 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 VGhpcyBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyByZW1vdmVkLg== --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DCmail_-- From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Sat Dec 19 10:21:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F9128C0F1 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iHDzq0AmTbg2 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F12128C0EF for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:26 -0500 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:26 -0500 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "martini@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:26 -0500 Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration-00.txt Thread-Index: AcqA13to5oDlZXWkQpC7tShpB6gHiwAAJGrA Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DDmail_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [martini] I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration-00.txt X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:21:44 -0000 --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DDmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org= ] > On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:15 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action:draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration- > 00.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 > Title : Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Domain > Registration > Author(s) : H. Kaplan > Filename : draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration- > 00.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2009-12-19 >=20 > This document defines a means of providing reachability information > for a domain of SIP AoRs using a SIP REGISTER method transaction. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain- > registration-00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DDmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration-00.url.txt" Content-Description: draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration-00.url.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration-00.url.txt"; size=116; creation-date="Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:17:11 GMT"; modification-date="Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:17:11 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 VGhpcyBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyByZW1vdmVkLg== --_002_E6C2E8958BA59A4FB960963D475F7AC31A581134DDmail_-- From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Sat Dec 19 10:22:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67E73A6B32 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.163, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U+Po+9dSAz6F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76093A6B31 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:22:11 -0500 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:22:12 -0500 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "martini@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:22:11 -0500 Thread-Topic: Individual-Draft submissions Thread-Index: AcqA2C7Exh/QNYKrSSytTCVaggGfDg== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [martini] Individual-Draft submissions X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:22:28 -0000 Howdy, I have submitted 3 drafts to hopefully help us move forward. One is a problem statement of sorts, in draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problem= s, describing the general model deployed today and its issues, as far as I = know (or can remember off the top of my head). Obviously this is just my p= ersonal list and other folks may have others. The other two are alternative proposed solutions: Draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registration is a draft written by me,= John Elwell, and David Hancock. It proposes a multi-AoR Implicit Registra= tion similar to currently deployed or defined mechanisms, but with what we = believe to be necessary improvements. Draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration is the same one submitted = to DISPATCH, proposing SIP-Registering actual SIP Domain reachability info. -hadriel From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Mon Dec 21 09:05:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB12D3A6A0B for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:05:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.420, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dJIAxif3zXx3 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86DD3A6A61 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-W14 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:04:49 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7c04f58e-43f5-4d34-97ef-21c1f7afdd07_" X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] From: Bernard Aboba To: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:04:48 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2009 17:04:49.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4640C00:01CA825F] Subject: [martini] Agenda solicitation X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:05:06 -0000 --_7c04f58e-43f5-4d34-97ef-21c1f7afdd07_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are now soliciting agenda items for the Virtual Interim on January 7=2C = 2010.=20 If you are preparing a draft (or have submitted a draft) that would be suit= able for discussion at=20 the virtual interim=2C please send me or Spencer a note stating: * The name of the draft you'd like to present * How much time you need * Who will be making the presentation = --_7c04f58e-43f5-4d34-97ef-21c1f7afdd07_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are now soliciting agenda items for the Virtual Interim on January 7=2C = 2010.

If you are preparing a draft (or have submitted a draft) that= would be suitable for discussion at
the virtual interim=2C please send= me or Spencer a note stating:

* The name of the draft you'd like to= present
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= --_7c04f58e-43f5-4d34-97ef-21c1f7afdd07_-- From spencer@wonderhamster.org Mon Dec 21 12:40:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4123C28C15F for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.549, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TAa9BdAGglcV for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6E428C167 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MQ4GB-1NQNge2gQl-0057I5; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: <5DEF55704D7C4F3E8D6F4941143074A1@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:39:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/V9FY0PwWaH+mUDRfb2m5FB3xOCwawnI0J4BL Qd9aUSrUoPSvhNZEOAn3ayy9zABYFioLxkJfRzPRdtrFk+OR1T Yxu5aHHfHVoHNeqzs3ZDAh0t6IbusX466ReNBurKLs= Subject: Re: [martini] Individual-Draft submissions X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:40:24 -0000 Hi, Hadriel, Thank you for getting these out quickly (and to John and David as well). Bernard and I are working on an agenda, which needs to be posted Real Soon Now (two weeks prior to teleconferenced interims, which would be Wednesday this week). If you are planning to submit anything that would be discussed at the interim meeting, please let us know by Tuesday evening your time. Bernard and I submitted a request for WebEx support for the interim meeting where these will be discussed, so we're expecting to have good conferencing support. The working group announcement is due out tomorrow, if you're curious. Thanks, Spencer, as co-chair > Howdy, > I have submitted 3 drafts to hopefully help us move forward. > > One is a problem statement of sorts, in > draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems, describing the general model > deployed today and its issues, as far as I know (or can remember off the > top of my head). Obviously this is just my personal list and other folks > may have others. > > The other two are alternative proposed solutions: > > Draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registration is a draft written by > me, John Elwell, and David Hancock. It proposes a multi-AoR Implicit > Registration similar to currently deployed or defined mechanisms, but with > what we believe to be necessary improvements. > > Draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration is the same one submitted > to DISPATCH, proposing SIP-Registering actual SIP Domain reachability > info. > > -hadriel > _______________________________________________ > martini mailing list > martini@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/martini From john.elwell@siemens-enterprise.com Tue Dec 22 00:36:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38A73A68D4 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XZMxnq12iKCu for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms02.m0019.fra.mmp.de.bt.com (m0019.fra.mmp.de.bt.com [62.180.227.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99843A6984 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from senmx12-mx ([62.134.46.10] [62.134.46.10]) by ms02.m0020.fra.mmp.de.bt.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-357107; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:35:55 +0100 Received: from MCHP063A.global-ad.net (unknown [172.29.37.61]) by senmx12-mx (Server) with ESMTP id 4DE8823F0209; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:35:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from MCHP058A.global-ad.net ([172.29.37.57]) by MCHP063A.global-ad.net ([172.29.37.61]) with mapi; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:35:55 +0100 From: "Elwell, John" To: Spencer Dawkins , "martini@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:35:53 +0100 Thread-Topic: [martini] Individual-Draft submissions Thread-Index: AcqCfcqddybafHp6SIGlh12OfMDpwAAY2m8A Message-ID: References: <5DEF55704D7C4F3E8D6F4941143074A1@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <5DEF55704D7C4F3E8D6F4941143074A1@china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [martini] Individual-Draft submissions X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:36:13 -0000 Spencer, >From my point of view (as co-author of the implicit-registrations draft), t= hat is the one that will need most time. The domain registrations one has a= lready been presented and is resubmitted just to keep it on the table if im= plicit registrations is deemed not to be the way to go. The 3rd draft is ju= st background (could be presented briefly at the start, if there is likely = to be sufficient time).=20 John > -----Original Message----- > From: martini-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:martini-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > Sent: 21 December 2009 20:40 > To: martini@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [martini] Individual-Draft submissions >=20 > Hi, Hadriel, >=20 > Thank you for getting these out quickly (and to John and=20 > David as well). >=20 > Bernard and I are working on an agenda, which needs to be=20 > posted Real Soon=20 > Now (two weeks prior to teleconferenced interims, which would=20 > be Wednesday=20 > this week). If you are planning to submit anything that would=20 > be discussed=20 > at the interim meeting, please let us know by Tuesday evening=20 > your time. >=20 > Bernard and I submitted a request for WebEx support for the=20 > interim meeting=20 > where these will be discussed, so we're expecting to have=20 > good conferencing=20 > support. >=20 > The working group announcement is due out tomorrow, if you're curious. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Spencer, as co-chair >=20 >=20 > > Howdy, > > I have submitted 3 drafts to hopefully help us move forward. > > > > One is a problem statement of sorts, in=20 > > draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems, describing the general model=20 > > deployed today and its issues, as far as I know (or can=20 > remember off the=20 > > top of my head). Obviously this is just my personal list=20 > and other folks=20 > > may have others. > > > > The other two are alternative proposed solutions: > > > > Draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registration is a=20 > draft written by=20 > > me, John Elwell, and David Hancock. It proposes a=20 > multi-AoR Implicit=20 > > Registration similar to currently deployed or defined=20 > mechanisms, but with=20 > > what we believe to be necessary improvements. > > > > Draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration is the=20 > same one submitted=20 > > to DISPATCH, proposing SIP-Registering actual SIP Domain=20 > reachability=20 > > info. > > > > -hadriel > > _______________________________________________ > > martini mailing list > > martini@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/martini=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > martini mailing list > martini@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/martini > = From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Dec 22 08:15:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6C13A6A06 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.269, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yKnwj0COxWR6 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0A03A6A32 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lk6fi-1NywIp2nWM-00cF2L; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:14:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1C10_01CA82EF.8AF9C5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/1n5vTGJVbf3ANfBeyK5sl2H9gVLEEeTp/oxs X7joz//5dCZUTSDCVxqM9G18LQbM02xuxeIemt25CFu562Razj n4ri5/Jt8NIJDUA3FOYzx72ONkvxAhQm8adowmnFls= Subject: [martini] Fw: Meeting invitation: Martini WG Virtual Meeting X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:15:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1C10_01CA82EF.8AF9C5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to confirm - we will have WebEx support for the Interim meeting, = details below, and agenda to follow ... Thanks, Spencer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: IETF Secretariat=20 To: spencer@wonderhamster.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Meeting invitation: Martini WG Virtual Meeting Hello ,=20 IETF Secretariat invites you to attend this online meeting.=20 Topic: Martini WG Virtual Meeting=20 Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010=20 Time: 11:00 am, Central Standard Time (Chicago, GMT-06:00)=20 Meeting Number: 961 982 327=20 Meeting Password: martini=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D131012752&UID=3D11106777= 52&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&RT=3DMiM3=20 2. Enter your name and email address.=20 3. Enter the meeting password: martini=20 4. Click "Join Now".=20 To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D131012752&UID=3D11106777= 52&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&ORT=3DMiM3=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the audio conference only=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&E= D=3D131012752&tollFree=3D0=20 Access code:961 982 327=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 For assistance=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 You can contact me at:=20 amorris@amsl.com=20 1-510-492-4081=20 To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D131012752&UID=3D11106777= 52&ICS=3DMI&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DS077yUqV0ofHSq-PMxL5msi2bEZ05DYLH= o/Yq6aLYEQ=3D&RT=3DMiM3=20 The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php=20 Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 http://www.webex.com=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, do = not join the session.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_1C10_01CA82EF.8AF9C5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Just to confirm - we will have = WebEx=20 support for the Interim meeting, details below, and agenda to follow=20 ...
 
Thanks,
 
Spencer
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: IETF = Secretariat=20
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:55 PM
Subject: Meeting invitation: Martini WG Virtual = Meeting

Hello , =

IETF=20 Secretariat invites you to attend this online meeting.

Topic: = Martini WG=20 Virtual Meeting
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010
Time: 11:00 am, = Central=20 Standard Time (Chicago, GMT-06:00)
Meeting Number: 961 982 327 =
Meeting=20 Password: martini=20


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To join=20 the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!)=20
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1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D13101275= 2&UID=3D1110677752&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&RT=3DMiM3=20
2. Enter your name and email address.
3. Enter the meeting = password:=20 martini
4. Click "Join Now".

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To = receive a=20 call back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or call = the=20 number below and enter the access code.
Call-in toll number = (US/Canada):=20 1-408-792-6300
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Access code:961 982 327=20

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2. On = the left=20 navigation bar, click "Support".

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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature = that=20 allows audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed = during=20 the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent=20 to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, do not join = the=20 session.
------=_NextPart_000_1C10_01CA82EF.8AF9C5E0-- From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Dec 22 11:20:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5803B3A68AA for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:20:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.519, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9pC63OCQwRaq for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220D3A68A5 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M07SG-1OHSiy0wSS-00uTGh; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:19:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1D1A_01CA8309.70619C70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+2CWoP3t8WQFFyok59uFEoff2rGB8X3GQ6Ron 9gJSlSFRP7qPCPPKe2uzUE9MHdrwVbTAH/Y8l9xv/7v5kwKDmP jczgbOUJUvCMZa+J27oNOJl7UaOQfV3plLhI7chu00= Subject: [martini] Fw: Meeting rescheduled: Martini WG Virtual Meeting X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:20:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1D1A_01CA8309.70619C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just noticed that the WebEx invitation previously sent had the time = zone set incorrectly - the correct time is ->PST<-, as shown below. Sorry! Thanks, Spencer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: IETF Secretariat=20 To: spencer@wonderhamster.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Meeting rescheduled: Martini WG Virtual Meeting Hello ,=20 IETF Secretariat changed the time for this online meeting.=20 Topic: Martini WG Virtual Meeting=20 Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010=20 Time: 11:00 am, Pacific Standard Time (San Francisco, GMT-08:00)=20 Meeting Number: 961 982 327=20 Meeting Password: martini=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D131012752&UID=3D11106777= 52&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&RT=3DMiM0=20 2. Enter your name and email address.=20 3. Enter the meeting password: martini=20 4. Click "Join Now".=20 To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D131012752&UID=3D11106777= 52&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&ORT=3DMiM0=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the audio conference only=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&E= D=3D131012752&tollFree=3D0=20 Access code:961 982 327=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 For assistance=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 You can contact me at:=20 amorris@amsl.com=20 1-510-492-4081=20 To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D131012752&UID=3D11106777= 52&ICS=3DMRS3&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DS077yUqV0ofHSq-PMxL5msi2bEZ05DY= LHo/Yq6aLYEQ=3D&RT=3DMiM0=20 WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for Windows the first = time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prior to the = meeting by clicking this link:=20 https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php=20 The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php=20 Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 http://www.webex.com=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, do = not join the session.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_1D1A_01CA8309.70619C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I just noticed that the WebEx = invitation=20 previously sent had the time zone set incorrectly - the correct time is=20 ->PST<-, as shown below.
 
Sorry!
 
Thanks,
 
Spencer
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: IETF = Secretariat=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Meeting rescheduled: Martini WG Virtual = Meeting

Hello , =

IETF=20 Secretariat changed the time for this online meeting.

Topic: = Martini WG=20 Virtual Meeting
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010
Time: 11:00 am, = Pacific=20 Standard Time (San Francisco, GMT-08:00)
Meeting Number: 961 982 327 =
Meeting Password: martini=20


------------------------------------------------------- =
To join=20 the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!)=20
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D13101275= 2&UID=3D1110677752&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&RT=3DMiM0=20
2. Enter your name and email address.
3. Enter the meeting = password:=20 martini
4. Click "Join Now".

To view in other time zones or=20 languages, please click the link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D13101275= 2&UID=3D1110677752&PW=3DNNjRjYjAzNDVj&ORT=3DMiM0=20

-------------------------------------------------------
To = join the=20 audio conference only=20
-------------------------------------------------------
To = receive a=20 call back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or call = the=20 number below and enter the access code.
Call-in toll number = (US/Canada):=20 1-408-792-6300
Global call-in numbers: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?se= rviceType=3DMC&ED=3D131012752&tollFree=3D0=20

Access code:961 982 327=20

-------------------------------------------------------
For=20 assistance
------------------------------------------------------- =
1. Go=20 to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc
2. On = the left=20 navigation bar, click "Support".

You can contact me at:
amorris@amsl.com
1-510-492-4081 =

To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example = Microsoft=20 Outlook), click this link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D13101275= 2&UID=3D1110677752&ICS=3DMRS3&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&am= p;SHA2=3DS077yUqV0ofHSq-PMxL5msi2bEZ05DYLHo/Yq6aLYEQ=3D&RT=3DMiM0= =20


WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for Windows = the first=20 time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prior to the = meeting by=20 clicking this link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/meetingcenter/mcset= up.php=20


The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich = media=20 files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media = files in the=20 meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by=20 going to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php= =20

Sign up for a free trial of WebEx
http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial

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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature = that=20 allows audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed = during=20 the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent=20 to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, do not join = the=20 session.
------=_NextPart_000_1D1A_01CA8309.70619C70-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Tue Dec 22 12:58:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89F63A69DB for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.505, BAYES_50=0.001, SARE_OBFU_SPLIT_HR2=0.183] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cnhsrFj1j1ZD for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B393A6A49 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS3 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/calendar; method=REQUEST; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqDSTBDXT4DjBfyTk6dKLohaQFE6AAAGA9w Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2009 20:58:30.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[83DB0260:01CA8349] Subject: [martini] MARTINI Virtual Interim, January 7, 2010 X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:58:47 -0000 BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 12.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:REQUEST X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE BEGIN:VEVENT ATTENDEE;CN=martini@ietf.org;RSVP=TRUE:mailto:martini@ietf.org CLASS:PUBLIC CREATED:20091222T205851Z DESCRIPTION:When: Thursday\, January 07\, 2010 11:00 AM-1:30 PM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).\nWhere: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen /j.php?ED=131012752&UID=1110677752&PW=NNjRjYjAzNDVj&RT=MiM3 \n\nNote: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments.\n\n*~* ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*\n\nIETF Secretariat invites you to attend this online mee ting. \n\nTopic: Martini WG Virtual Meeting \nDate: Thursday\, January 7\, 2010 \nTime: 11:00 am\, Pacific Time (GMT-08:00) \nMeeting Number: 961 98 2 327 \nMeeting Password: martini \n\n\n---------------------------------- --------------------- \nTo join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!) \n------------------------------------------------------- \n1. Go to http s://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=131012752&UID=1110677752&PW=NNj RjYjAzNDVj&RT=MiM3 \n2. Enter your name and email address. \n3. Enter the meeting password: martini \n4. 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By joining thi s session\, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not co nsent to the recording\, do not join the session. \n\n DTEND:20100107T213000Z DTSTAMP:20091222T205851Z DTSTART:20100107T190000Z LAST-MODIFIED:20091222T205851Z LOCATION:https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=131012752&UID=11106 77752&PW=NNjRjYjAzNDVj&RT=MiM3 ORGANIZER;CN="Bernard Aboba":mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com PRIORITY:5 SEQUENCE:0 SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-us:MARTINI Virtual Interim\, January 7\, 2010 TRANSP:OPAQUE UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000408720220683CA01000000000000000 010000000DA6110A441C06645A498881E714794AD X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

When: Thursday\, January 07\, 2010 11:00 AM-1:30 PM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US &\; Can ada).

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IETF Secretariat invites you to attend this online meeting.
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\nTopic: Martini WG Virtual Meeting
\nDate: T hursday\, January 7\, 2010
\nTime: 11:00 am\, Pacific Time (GMT-08:00)< BR>\nMeeting Number: 961 982 327
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\n\n\n X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:TENTATIVE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-MS-OLK-ALLOWEXTERNCHECK:TRUE X-MS-OLK-AUTOSTARTCHECK:FALSE X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0 BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT15M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR From root@core3.amsl.com Tue Dec 22 14:00:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@ietf.org Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id AFA383A6882; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: IESG Secretary To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091222220001.AFA383A6882@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com, martini@ietf.org Subject: [martini] WG Action: Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication (martini) X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:00:01 -0000 A new IETF working group has been formed in the Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Multiple AoR reachabiliTy InformatioN Indication (MARTINI) --------------------------------------------------------- Last Modified: 2009-12-08 Proposed Chair(s): Spencer Dawkins Bernard Aboba Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s): Robert Sparks Cullen Jennings Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor: Cullen Jennings Technical Advisor(s): Mailing Lists: General Discussion: martini@ietf.org To Subscribe: martini-request@ietf.org In Body: subscribe Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/index.html Description of Working Group The MARTINI working group is chartered to specify a means by which an entity that is authoritative for SIP URIs can dynamically register reachability information for multiple Addresses of Record ("AORs") with a service provider. The SIP protocol [RFC 3261 and its extensions] supports multiple means of obtaining the connection information necessary to deliver out-of-dialog SIP requests to their intended targets. When a SIP Proxy needs to send a request to a target AOR within its domain, it can use a location service to obtain the registered contact URI, together with any associated path information [RFC 3327], and build a route set to reach the target UA(s). The SIP REGISTER method can be used to register contact URIs and path information. SIP-outbound [RFC 5626] enhances this mechanism to cater for UAs behind NATs and firewalls. When a SIP UA or Proxy needs to send a request to a target for which it is not authoritative, the UA/Proxy can use RFC3263 procedures for using DNS to resolve the next-hop connection information. In practice, many small and medium-sized businesses use a SIP-PBX that is authoritative for tens or hundreds of SIP AoRs. This SIP-PBX acts as a registrar/proxy for these AoRs for clients hosted by the SIP-PBX. UAs register with the SIP-PBX on behalf of the AoRs concerned. A SIP Service Provider (SSP) provides SIP peering/trunking capability to the SIP PBX. The SIP-PBX must be reachable from the SSP so that the SSP can route inbound SIP requests for the AoRs addressed to the SIP PBX, routing these requests to the SIP-PBX itself for onward delivery to registered UAs. Experience has shown that existing mechanisms are not always sufficient to support SIP-PBXs for small/medium businesses. Since a single SSP may support multiple thousands of such SMB SIP-PBX's, it is impractical and cost-prohibitive to manually provision their IP addresses in every SIP node along paths to those SIP-PBXs. Furthermore, IP addresses can be dynamically assigned and therefore can potentially change relatively frequently. In current deployments, dynamic reachability mechanisms based on the SIP REGISTER method are commonly used. Effectively, a single REGISTER request registers the AoR of the SIP-PBX, so that any out-of-dialog request targeted at a SIP URI for which the SIP-PBX is authoritative can be delivered from the SSP to the SIP-PBX. However, implementations of this mechanism vary in details, leading to interoperability issues between SIP-PBXs and SSPs, and the need for equipment to support different variants. The task of this working group is to to standardize a multiple-AoR registration mechanism for SIP that can be widely deployed by service providers at large scale. The solution will support AoRs with E.164 addresses at a minimum, although support for other classes of AoRs may be included. The solution will utilize existing SIP mechanisms to the extent possible, although it is anticipated that small protocol extensions are likely to be required, and hence a standards track (rather than BCP) deliverable is expected. The solution will accommodate existing SIP extensions relating to registration (e.g., Path, Service-Route [RFC 3608] and SIP-outbound) by ensuring that they are not precluded from use in the context of multiple AoR registrations. The solution will incorporate a compatibility mechanism to ensure a deterministic outcome when interworking with entities that do not support multiple AoR registration. The working group will coordinate with SIP Forum and other industry groups on requirements and will coordinate its work with other IETF working groups including DRINKS and SIPCORE. Goals and Milestones Dec 2009 Solicit solution-space drafts Jan 2010 Interim meeting Jan 2010 Adopt Working Group draft Feb 2010 First Working Group Last Call Mar 2010 Second Working Group Last Call Apr 2010 Multiple AoR Registration specification to IESG (PS) Jul 2010 Close or recharter working group From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Tue Dec 22 14:06:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6843A67F0 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:06:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.405 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.405 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.407, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jS9FllCOui07 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFA23A67F2 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS4 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:06:22 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:06:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E4_01CA830F.FED12D30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqDUwyAN15f1LFCSVS6L0GKbAAnoQ== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2009 22:06:22.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF70F430:01CA8352] Subject: [martini] Request for Review: draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:06:43 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_01E4_01CA830F.FED12D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In order to be able to effectively discuss solutions to a problem, a very important first step is to clearly pose the problem that needs to be solved. Hadriel has put together a document describing "implicit registration" as currently deployed, as well as some of the issues encountered in those deployments. The document is available for inspection here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems In preparation for the Virtual Interim on January 7, 2010, we would like to request that MARTINI WG participants review this document, sending your comments/edits/additions/deletions to the MARTINI WG mailing list (martini@ietf.org). ------=_NextPart_000_01E4_01CA830F.FED12D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In order to be able to effectively discuss = solutions to a problem, a very important first step is to clearly pose the problem that = needs to be solved.

 

Hadriel has put together a document describing = “implicit registration” as currently deployed, as well as some of the issues encountered in those deployments.

 

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In preparation for the Virtual Interim on January = 7, 2010, we would like to request that MARTINI WG participants review this document, = sending

your comments/edits/additions/deletions to the = MARTINI WG mailing list (martini@ietf.org). =

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_01E4_01CA830F.FED12D30-- From root@core3.amsl.com Tue Dec 22 14:15:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@ietf.org Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 135C728C0DC; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: IESG Secretary To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091222221505.135C728C0DC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:15:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: martini@ietf.org Subject: [martini] MARTINI Virtual Interim Meeting X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: spencer@wonderhamster.org List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:15:07 -0000 What: MARTINI Virtual Interim Meeting January 7, 2010 from 11 AM - 1 PM Pacific Time Topics: - Discussions of currently deployed mechanisms for multiple AOR registration, and their pros and cons - Drafts describing solutions that (hopefully) improve upon existing deployed mechanisms Logistics: we'll request WebEx, so please watch the MARTINI mailing list at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/current/maillist.html for logistic details From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Tue Dec 22 14:53:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DA73A68EA for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:53:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.899, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kNxRU1-o4hg8 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s28.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s28.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.103]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF6E3A67E7 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-W28 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:52:49 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_43f1715f-7961-4217-a31f-09f770deb5db_" X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] From: Bernard Aboba To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:52:49 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01e801ca8353$129688e0$37c39aa0$@com> References: <01e801ca8353$129688e0$37c39aa0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2009 22:52:49.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C4FC110:01CA8359] Subject: Re: [martini] Request for Review: draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:53:06 -0000 --_43f1715f-7961-4217-a31f-09f770deb5db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Due to a problem with the Tools server=2C the URL below has not been workin= g. Try the following link instead: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00= .txt From: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com To: martini@ietf.org Subject: Request for Review: draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems Date: Tue=2C 22 Dec 2009 14:06:44 -0800 In order to be able to effectively discuss solutions to a problem=2C a very important first step is to clearly pose the problem that = needs to be solved.=20 =20 Hadriel has put together a document describing =93implicit registration=94 as currently deployed=2C as well as some of the issues encountered in those deployments.=20 =20 The document is available for inspection here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems =20 In preparation for the Virtual Interim on January 7=2C 2010=2C we would like to request that MARTINI WG participants review this document=2C = sending your comments/edits/additions/deletions to the MARTINI WG mailing list (martini@ietf.org).=20 =20 =20 = --_43f1715f-7961-4217-a31f-09f770deb5db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Due to a problem with the Tools server=2C the URL below has not been workin= g. =3B Try the following link instead:
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Subject: = Request for Review: draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems
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In preparation for the Virtual Interim on January= 7=2C 2010=2C we would like to request that MARTINI WG participants review this document=2C = sending

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= --_43f1715f-7961-4217-a31f-09f770deb5db_-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Tue Dec 22 15:18:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE8C3A694D for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:18:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.967 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.967 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vzf86OM1TyV9 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s9.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s9.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.84]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1023A67D6 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS7 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:17:19 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:17:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA8319.E8475350" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqDW/xLuWws92ouQTiZuQyF6AOCeQAAA/0AAAAFWYA= Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2009 23:17:19.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[E896FE80:01CA835C] Subject: [martini] Strawman agenda for the Virtual Interim -- Take One X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:18:04 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA8319.E8475350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an initial draft of the Virtual Interim Agenda. If you would like time on the agenda, please let Spencer or myself know ASAP. MARTINI Virtual Interim January 7, 2010 11 AM - 1:00 PM Pacific Time Jabber room: martini@jabber.ietf.org WebEx Information: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/current/msg00029.html 11 AM - 11:10 AM PT: Preliminaries Conference issues/debugging Minute takers Agenda bash Problem Statement & Existing Deployed Solutions (30 minutes) 11:10 AM - 11:40 AM PT SIP IP-PBX Registration Problems, Hadriel Kaplan (30 minutes) http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.txt Potential Solutions (50 minutes) 11:40 AM - 12:10 PM PT SIP Implicit Registrations, Presenter: Hadriel Kaplan (30 minutes) http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations-00 .txt 12:10 PM - 12:30 PM PT Domain Registration, Hadriel Kaplan (20 minutes) http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain-registration-00.t xt Wrap-up (30 minutes) 12:30 PM - 12:45 PM PT Discussion: Participants (15 minutes) 12:45 PM - 12:55 PM PT Hums: WG Chairs (10 minutes) 12:55 PM - 1:00 PM PT Next Steps: WG Chairs & ADs (5 minutes) ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA8319.E8475350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is an initial = draft of the Virtual Interim Agenda.  If you would like time on the agenda, = please let Spencer or myself know ASAP.  

 

 

MARTINI Virtual Interim
January 7, 2010
11 AM – 1:00 PM Pacific Time

Jabber room:  martini@jabber.ietf.org

WebEx = Information: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/current/msg00029.html=

11 AM - 11:10 AM PT:  Preliminaries
     Conference issues/debugging
     Minute takers
     Agenda bash

Problem Statement & Existing Deployed Solutions (30 minutes)

11:10 AM - 11:40 AM  PT SIP IP-PBX Registration Problems, Hadriel = Kaplan (30 minutes)

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems-00.txt=

Potential Solutions (50 minutes)

11:40 AM - 12:10 PM PT  SIP Implicit Registrations, Presenter: = Hadriel Kaplan (30 minutes)

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-impli= cit-registrations-00.txt



12:10 PM - 12:30 PM PT Domain Registration, Hadriel Kaplan (20 = minutes)

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-martini-stirred-domain= -registration-00.txt

 

Wrap-up (30 minutes)

12:30 PM - 12:45 PM PT  Discussion:  Participants (15 = minutes)
12:45 PM - 12:55 PM PT  Hums:  WG Chairs (10 minutes)
12:55 PM - 1:00 PM PT   Next Steps:  WG Chairs & ADs = (5 minutes)

 

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA8319.E8475350-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Thu Dec 24 11:53:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EED03A6828 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.336 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.165, BAYES_99=3.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qfqJ0CB3dJRN for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.97]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21CD3A67F6 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-DS4 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:53:13 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.160.219] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:53:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA848F.BA2D2130" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqE0sfwcrixZx4aTWig3yTMk3wWcg== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2009 19:53:13.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA275960:01CA84D2] Subject: [martini] Volunteer for Secretary? X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:53:32 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA848F.BA2D2130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We'd like to solicit volunteers for the position of MARTINI WG Secretary. The duties of the Secretary will largely involve taking minutes of the meetings. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA848F.BA2D2130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We’d like to solicit volunteers for the = position of MARTINI WG Secretary.  The duties of the Secretary will largely = involve taking minutes of the

meetings.

------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA848F.BA2D2130-- From bernard_aboba@hotmail.com Sun Dec 27 22:53:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216643A6784 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:53:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.385 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.385 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.387, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6NgrbRkTwa8v for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.78]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B9C3A66B4 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU137-W27 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:53:08 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_02a66468-2da9-4747-9f77-b5cd1f23ae8f_" X-Originating-IP: [75.164.144.236] From: Bernard Aboba To: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:53:08 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2009 06:53:08.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[69ADE0C0:01CA878A] Subject: [martini] draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems: solution requirements? X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:53:28 -0000 --_02a66468-2da9-4747-9f77-b5cd1f23ae8f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To have a productive Virtual Interim meeting on January 7=2C 2010=2C we expect that all attendees will have read the problem statement document as well as the solution proposals. With this email=2C I'd like to kick off discussion on the problem statement document. If you have comments on this document (or the solution proposals)=2C please send your thoughts to the list. Since a very important step in solving any problem is understanding the pro= blem as well as the solution requirements=2C this draft is quite important.= So I'd like to thank Hadriel for submitting this draft=2C and agreeing to= present it at the Virtual Interim.=20 As part of the problem statement discussion at the Virtual Interim=2C we wi= ll talk about currently deployed solutions (Section 3) as well as some of t= he issues with current solutions described in Sections 4=2C 5 and 6.=20 Currently=2C these sections articulate the issues=2C but don't make recomme= ndations as to which of the issues a potential solution needs to solve. So= me of the issues are indicated as open in the solution proposals (e.g. open question on PAU/Wildcard syntax in draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations) so this is not just a r= hetorical question.=20 Here's a list of the Issues described in Sections 4=2C 5 & 6.=20 4.1. Explicit Indication of Multiple AOR Registration 4.2-4.4: Usage of P-Associated URI a. Inclusion of PAU b. Avoidance of SIP Response fragmentation 1. Non-wildcard mitigation 2. Support for Wildcard syntax 3. Compatibility of Wildcard syntax with TEL URI c. Defined behavior of IP-PBX on PAU mismatch 5.1 Retaining Target Info 5.2 Contact-URI handling a. Request-URI b. Route Header 5.3 Routing for explicit/implicitly registered AOR 6.1 Avoidance of authorization policy mismatch 6.2. Avoidance of PAU mismatch 6.3. Trust domain clarification Question for the WG: are solutions to these issues REQUIRED=2C RECOMMENDED= =2C OPTIONAL or IRRELEVANT in a potential solution? = --_02a66468-2da9-4747-9f77-b5cd1f23ae8f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To have a productive Virtual Interim meeting on January 7=2C 2010=2C we expect that all attendees will have read the problem statement document as well as the solution proposals. =3B =3B With this email=2C I'd l= ike to kick off discussion on the problem statement document. =3B If you have comme= nts on this document (or the solution proposals)=2C please send your thoughts to the list.

Since a very important step in solving any problem is u= nderstanding the problem as well as the solution requirements=2C this draft= is quite important. =3B So I'd like to thank Hadriel for submitting th= is draft=2C and agreeing to present it at the Virtual Interim.

As p= art of the problem statement discussion at the Virtual Interim=2C we will t= alk about currently deployed solutions (Section 3) as well as some of the i= ssues with current solutions described in Sections 4=2C 5 and 6.

Cu= rrently=2C these sections articulate the issues=2C but don't make recommend= ations as to which of the issues a potential solution needs to solve. = =3B Some of the issues are indicated as open in the solution proposals (e.g. open question on PAU/Wildcard syntax in draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations) so this is not just a r= hetorical question.

Here's a list of the Issues described in Sectio= ns 4=2C 5 &=3B 6.

4.1. =3B Explicit Indication of Multiple A= OR Registration
4.2-4.4: Usage of P-Associated URI
 =3B =3B&n= bsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B a. Inclusion of PAU
 =3B = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B b. Avoidance of SIP Response fr= agmentation
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nbs= p=3B =3B =3B 1. Non-wildcard mitigation
 =3B =3B =3B=  =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B 2. Support for Wil= dcard syntax
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B 3. Compatibility of Wildcard syntax with TEL URI
&= nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B c. Defined behavior= of IP-PBX on PAU mismatch
5.1 =3B =3B Retaining Target Info
= 5.2 =3B =3B Contact-URI handling
 =3B  =3B  =3B &nbs= p=3B a. =3B Request-URI
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nbs= p=3B =3B b. =3B Route Header
5.3 =3B =3B Routing for exp= licit/implicitly registered AOR
6.1 =3B =3B Avoidance of authori= zation policy mismatch
6.2. =3B Avoidance of PAU mismatch
6.3.&nb= sp=3B Trust domain clarification

Question for the WG: =3B are so= lutions to these issues REQUIRED=2C RECOMMENDED=2C OPTIONAL or IRRELEVANT i= n a potential solution?






= --_02a66468-2da9-4747-9f77-b5cd1f23ae8f_-- From adam@nostrum.com Mon Dec 28 15:37:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: martini@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5C23A6935 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.793 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.793 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.194, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2CGcMVnrcb4m for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B893A6947 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.3.231] (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBSNavDs042657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:36:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4B394119.4040502@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:36:57 -0600 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: martini@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050504060904090102090004" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [martini] draft-kaplan-martini-mixing-problems: solution requirements? X-BeenThere: martini@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of en-mass SIP PBX registration mechanisms List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:37:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050504060904090102090004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/28/09 12:53 AM, Bernard Aboba wrote: > Currently, these sections articulate the issues, but don't make > recommendations as to which of the issues a potential solution needs > to solve. Some of the issues are indicated as open in the solution > proposals (e.g. open question on PAU/Wildcard syntax in > draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations) so this is not > just a rhetorical question. > > Here's a list of the Issues described in Sections 4, 5 & 6. > > 4.1. Explicit Indication of Multiple AOR Registration I think this is REQUIRED. > 4.2-4.4: Usage of P-Associated URI > a. Inclusion of PAU > b. Avoidance of SIP Response fragmentation > 1. Non-wildcard mitigation > 2. Support for Wildcard syntax > 3. Compatibility of Wildcard syntax with TEL URI > c. Defined behavior of IP-PBX on PAU mismatch I don't think we want to rely on PAU behavior to make a multiple registration solution work. The definition in RFC3455 is pretty well constrained to an exhaustive enumeration of identities, which is not appropriate for the kind of use cases MARTINI is discussing. Even more importantly, it was meant for something rather different than MARTINI's problem space: multiple identities that semantically mean *exactly* the same *user*. Not billing entity, but actual *user*. So, I think all the PAU issues are IRRELEVANT with regards to PAU itself. However, I think we need to carefully consider the semantic issues that are implied by these sections. Things like: * Who designates which URIs the request is attempting to register? For example, if a company has a single PBX and decides to split its users between two different PBXes (say, at different sites) -- does it need to get the SSP to reprovision the URIs associated with its implicit registrations? Or would it make more sense for the request to indicate which URIs it was attempting to register? This would allow the company to move URIs around between its own PBXes without a provisioning action at the SSP. * How does the UAC know which URIs have just been registered? If they don't match what it expects, how does it react? Note that this problem goes away if we allow the user to designate which URIs they're attempting to register in the request. Granted, it pushes the responsibility of verifying the URIs onto the SSP equipment, but at least it can send an error response if the requestor is not authorized to use the specified URIs. * Response size is a real concern, since there's no way to switch from UDP to TCP at the UAS side when responses are too large for the MTU. On the other hand, the requestor can always elect to use TCP if the request is too large. This, again, points to having the requestor indicate the URIs to be used instead of the responder. Which is to say: I think the implicit model currently under discussion in the problems and implicit-registration drafts is going about the issue backwards. I believe that there are a number of reasons it makes much more sense to have an explicit model in which the PBX tells the SSP which URIs it is attempting to register, and the SSP accepts or denies the request based on authorization policy. > 5.1 Retaining Target Info > 5.2 Contact-URI handling > a. Request-URI > b. Route Header I think retaining all the information that the PBX used to indicate itself -- the "Contact" header field in Hadriel's drafts -- is REQUIRED. Clearly, we also need the ability to tell which extension is being addressed (i.e., this is REQUIRED as well). I'm less concerned about the mechanisms used to convey this information. Ideally, it would be as consistent with normal handling as is possible -- meaning that the Request URI is semantically the information the PBX used to indicate itself (again, the "Contact" header field in Hadriel's proposals). When you think about how currently-deployed multiline SIP phones handle this situation, they'll usually use the user portion of the Contact header field to keep track of which of its several identities a request is associated with. For example, a phone may register the AOR "sip:adam@example.com" with a Contact of "sip:line1@192.168.1.15", and register "sip:some-other-id@example.net" with a Contact of "sip:line2@192.168.1.15". That's kind of nice, because it lets the end device correlate information according to its own local scheme. If we go with a scheme that allows the requestor to indicate which URIs it is requesting for, we might also include some kind of transform to go with each of the URIs. For example, we could define a syntax whereby a MARTINI request ends up associating a range-of-URI indicator like "sip:214329{wildcard pattern meaning 4 digits}@ssp.example.com" with "sip:pbx-110-{pattern meaning put those 4 digits here}@192.168.1.198". > 5.3 Routing for explicit/implicitly registered AOR I think we need to be able to do this without middleboxes, and without violating SIP's rules about being authoritative for the requests that a proxy retargets. The strawman proposal I describe above does not exhibit the problem described in 5.3. Of course, neither does any well-designed solution. I think the stuff in the field that includes the SSP's domain in the R-URI bound for the PBX is simply poorly designed and insufficiently thought out. In other words, the issue in 5.3 is one of poorly-engineered implementations, and therefore IRRELEVANT. > 6.1 Avoidance of authorization policy mismatch IRRELEVANT. I don't think we need to codify the type of authorization described in this section, as such policies necessarily limit the flexibility of SIP PBX implementations. It is quite useful to include state information in the Contact header field that can be extracted in future requests. if the SSP policy doesn't allow this kind of valid use of Contact URIs, then we've lost a rather elegant mechanism. > 6.2. Avoidance of PAU mismatch IRRELEVANT, for the reasons I enumerate under 4.2-4.4, above. > 6.3. Trust domain clarification I think this isn't just IRRELEVANT -- I think it's out of scope for the working group. /a --------------050504060904090102090004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/28/09 12:53 AM, Bernard Aboba wrote:
Currently, these sections articulate the issues, but don't make recommendations as to which of the issues a potential solution needs to solve.  Some of the issues are indicated as open in the solution proposals (e.g. open question on PAU/Wildcard syntax in draft-kaplan-martini-shaken-implicit-registrations) so this is not just a rhetorical question.

Here's a list of the Issues described in Sections 4, 5 & 6.

4.1.  Explicit Indication of Multiple AOR Registration

I think this is REQUIRED.

4.2-4.4: Usage of P-Associated URI
        a. Inclusion of PAU
        b. Avoidance of SIP Response fragmentation
           1. Non-wildcard mitigation
           2. Support for Wildcard syntax
           3. Compatibility of Wildcard syntax with TEL URI
        c. Defined behavior of IP-PBX on PAU mismatch

I don't think we want to rely on PAU behavior to make a multiple registration solution work. The definition in RFC3455 is pretty well constrained to an exhaustive enumeration of identities, which is not appropriate for the kind of use cases MARTINI is discussing. Even more importantly, it was meant for something rather different than MARTINI's problem space: multiple identities that semantically mean *exactly* the same *user*. Not billing entity, but actual *user*.

So, I think all the PAU issues are IRRELEVANT with regards to PAU itself.

However, I think we need to carefully consider the semantic issues that are implied by these sections. Things like:
  • Who designates which URIs the request is attempting to register? For example, if a company has a single PBX and decides to split its users between two different PBXes (say, at different sites) -- does it need to get the SSP to reprovision the URIs associated with its implicit registrations? Or would it make more sense for the request to indicate which URIs it was attempting to register? This would allow the company to move URIs around between its own PBXes without a provisioning action at the SSP.

  • How does the UAC know which URIs have just been registered? If they don't match what it expects, how does it react? Note that this problem goes away if we allow the user to designate which URIs they're attempting to register in the request. Granted, it pushes the responsibility of verifying the URIs onto the SSP equipment, but at least it can send an error response if the requestor is not authorized to use the specified URIs.

  • Response size is a real concern, since there's no way to switch from UDP to TCP at the UAS side when responses are too large for the MTU. On the other hand, the requestor can always elect to use TCP if the request is too large. This, again, points to having the requestor indicate the URIs to be used instead of the responder.
Which is to say: I think the implicit model currently under discussion in the problems and implicit-registration drafts is going about the issue backwards. I believe that there are a number of reasons it makes much more sense to have an explicit model in which the PBX tells the SSP which URIs it is attempting to register, and the SSP accepts or denies the request based on authorization policy.

5.1   Retaining Target Info
5.2   Contact-URI handling
        a.  Request-URI
        b.  Route Header

I think retaining all the information that the PBX used to indicate itself -- the "Contact" header field in Hadriel's drafts -- is REQUIRED. Clearly, we also need the ability to tell which extension is being addressed (i.e., this is REQUIRED as well).

I'm less concerned about the mechanisms used to convey this information. Ideally, it would be as consistent with normal handling as is possible -- meaning that the Request URI is semantically the information the PBX used to indicate itself (again, the "Contact" header field in Hadriel's proposals).

When you think about how currently-deployed multiline SIP phones handle this situation, they'll usually use the user portion of the Contact header field to keep track of which of its several identities a request is associated with. For example, a phone may register the AOR "sip:adam@example.com" with a Contact of "sip:line1@192.168.1.15", and register "sip:some-other-id@example.net" with a Contact of "sip:line2@192.168.1.15". That's kind of nice, because it lets the end device correlate information according to its own local scheme.

If we go with a scheme that allows the requestor to indicate which URIs it is requesting for, we might also include some kind of transform to go with each of the URIs. For example, we could define a syntax whereby a MARTINI request ends up associating a range-of-URI indicator like "sip:214329{wildcard pattern meaning 4 digits}@ssp.example.com" with "sip:pbx-110-{pattern meaning put those 4 digits here}@192.168.1.198".

5.3   Routing for explicit/implicitly registered AOR

I think we need to be able to do this without middleboxes, and without violating SIP's rules about being authoritative for the requests that a proxy retargets. The strawman proposal I describe above does not exhibit the problem described in 5.3. Of course, neither does any well-designed solution. I think the stuff in the field that includes the SSP's domain in the R-URI bound for the PBX is simply poorly designed and insufficiently thought out.

In other words, the issue in 5.3 is one of poorly-engineered implementations, and therefore IRRELEVANT.

6.1   Avoidance of authorization policy mismatch

IRRELEVANT. I don't think we need to codify the type of authorization described in this section, as such policies necessarily limit the flexibility of SIP PBX implementations. It is quite useful to include state information in the Contact header field that can be extracted in future requests. if the SSP policy doesn't allow this kind of valid use of Contact URIs, then we've lost a rather elegant mechanism.

6.2.  Avoidance of PAU mismatch

IRRELEVANT, for the reasons I enumerate under 4.2-4.4, above.

6.3.  Trust domain clarification

I think this isn't just IRRELEVANT -- I think it's out of scope for the working group.

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