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(I will mention that SMPTE is an ANSI Accredited Standards Developer, and h= as previously registered a Media Type via RFC 4539, but there are RTP paylo= ads defined by SMPTE Standards that are not documented by RFCs that may be = appropriate for Media Type registration). Thanks! -Thomas -- Thomas Edwards VP Engineering & Development FOX Networks Engineering and Operations thomas.edwards@fox.com --_000_D23416D63B179thomasedwardsfoxcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <722ADC2E0ACB7F4681D516B3FBD8641F@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[Note: I am speaking for myself, and not officially for SMPTE]

RFC 6838 states that a Media Type in the Standards Tree can be "r= egistered by a recognized standards-related organization using the 'Specifi= cation Required' IANA registration policy [RFC5226] (which implies Expert R= eview)."  My impression is that this means a discussion of the registration on this list, before submission to&= nbsp;http://www.iana.org/f= orm/media-types

Is the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) cons= idered a "recognized standards-related organization" by the IETF = for this purpose?

(I will mention that SMPTE is an ANSI Accredited Standards Developer, = and has previously registered a Media Type via RFC 4539, but there are RTP = payloads defined by SMPTE Standards that are not documented by RFCs that ma= y be appropriate for Media Type registration).

Thanks!

-Thomas

-- 
Thomas Edwards
VP Engineering & Development
FOX Networks Engineering and Operations
thomas.edwards@fox.com

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 10:27:05 -0000 Hello Thomas, On 2015/10/03 03:11, Thomas Edwards wrote: > [Note: I am speaking for myself, and not officially for SMPTE] > > RFC 6838 states that a Media Type in the Standards Tree can be "registered by a recognized standards-related organization using the 'Specification Required' IANA registration policy [RFC5226] (which implies Expert Review)." My impression is that this means a discussion of the registration on this list, before submission to http://www.iana.org/form/media-types > > Is the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) considered a "recognized standards-related organization" by the IETF for this purpose? > > (I will mention that SMPTE is an ANSI Accredited Standards Developer, and has previously registered a Media Type via RFC 4539, but there are RTP payloads defined by SMPTE Standards that are not documented by RFCs that may be appropriate for Media Type registration). I'm in no way speaking for the IETF, nor for the IESG (the group of the IETF that will make the actual decision), but if the SMPTE 'owns' some specs e.g. for "motion picture" or "television" media types or anything like that, I cannot see any reason that it would be rejected. Please note that as far as I understand, there is no procedure to apply for "recognized standards-related organization". You just apply for the media type itself. The thing about the "recognized standards-related organization" is a "we know it when we see it" kind of thing, to reduce bureaucratic overhead. And yes, submitting the registration template (in full) and a pointer to your specification to this list for discussion is a very good thing to do. Hope this helps, Martin. From nobody Sun Oct 4 17:53:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9FC1B3C32 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ejQR-eUUV53L for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pechora3.lax.icann.org (pechora3.icann.org [IPv6:2620:0:2d0:201::1:73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BC471B3C33 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by pechora3.lax.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t950rFrC009310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 00:53:35 GMT Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A8EF509BD; Sun, 4 Oct 2015 20:53:14 -0400 (EDT) To: "t.petch" , apps-discuss@ietf.org References: <560A2D96.7080605@seantek.com> <002d01d0faaa$315235c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: Sean Leonard Message-ID: <5611C9DA.3050302@seantek.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:52:42 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002d01d0faaa$315235c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms010606010301030205010808" X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:14:27 by milter-greylist-4.0 (pechora3.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.73]); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 00:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: "media-types@iana.org" Subject: [media-types] text/nfo draft-01 to -02 feedback, was Re: [apps-discuss] Volunteer needed for media type ISE review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 00:53:38 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010606010301030205010808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tom et. al.: Thank you for the comments. I incorporated most of this feedback without = issue, except for the final two points (and a clarification about=20 security considerations): On 9/29/2015 4:29 AM, t.petch wrote: > Sean > > I think that you will need more Security Considerations to make this > acceptable. Looking at that section for other Media Types, they mostly= > say something about the lack of confidentiality, integrity and so on, > while this I-D explicitly mentions the ambiguity of some code points > which to me says 'easy phishing'. On this--I added more stuff. The only thing I might add in a future=20 draft is that if you go with the modern Microsoft code page mapping at=20 , then the mapping is in=20 fact bijective with Unicode. > s.3.7 this template corresponds to RFC2978 but I note that IANA has a > few extra fields. Doubtless the Expert Reviewer will ask for them if= > needed. I looked through the IANA registries (note that there are two: the=20 "charsets" registry and the "character sets" registry), and I did not=20 see the extra fields. Can you point them out? > 3.5 Better to be explicit that it is the 'Media Types' registry that is= > the intended destination. I did not modify the IANA Considerations text, not so much because I=20 disagree, but because I have at least two other Internet-Drafts: draft-seantek-windows-image draft-ietf-appsawg-text-markdown in which the same boilerplate directives are stated, without saying=20 "...in the Standards tree of the Media Types registry [CITE NEEDED?]=20 using the application provided...". If I change this draft, it is only=20 fair that I change the other drafts. Note that the text-markdown draft=20 is allllmoooosssttt ttthhheerrreee to AUTH48. So this is a general referendum on the topic. In a published document is = it necessary to state: 1. "of the Media Types registry" 2. "[CITE]" to the Media Types registry 3. "in the [Standards] tree" (let's face it, it's almost always going to = be in the Standards tree, otherwise why bother; it's also implicit in=20 the registration template) in the IANA Considerations? My view is that this statement is sufficient: IANA is asked to register the media type X/Y using the application=20 provided in Section Z of this document. Less is more. 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ESMTPSA id EE272509BD; Sun, 4 Oct 2015 20:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Leonard Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BF00B613-7BD1-42CF-880F-90743405DD7A"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Message-Id: <51DD9858-4E44-4296-A00D-A1B75D99864F@seantek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:37:36 -0700 References: <20151005002952.4782.41782.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: IETF Apps Discuss , media-types@iana.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:14:53 by milter-greylist-4.0 (pechora4.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.74]); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 00:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: ietf-charsets@iana.org Subject: [media-types] New Version Notification for draft-seantek-text-nfo-02.txt X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 00:54:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BF00B613-7BD1-42CF-880F-90743405DD7A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A new version of the Independent Submission for the media type text/nfo = is posted; comments welcome. Per IETF policies, the media type registration template is provided = below for the sake of media-types@ ; the charset registration template = is provided below for the sake of ietf-charsets@ . (Note that the last time that I submitted the template to ietf-charsets@ = on September 5, 2015, I got a bounce back. Not good.) Sean Begin forwarded message: > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-seantek-text-nfo-02.txt > Date: October 4, 2015 at 5:29:52 PM PDT >=20 A new version of I-D, draft-seantek-text-nfo-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Sean Leonard and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-seantek-text-nfo Revision: 02 Title: The text/nfo Media Type Document date: 2015-10-04 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 13 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-seantek-text-nfo-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-seantek-text-nfo/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seantek-text-nfo-02 Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-seantek-text-nfo-02 Abstract: This document registers the text/nfo media type for use with release iNFOrmation. While mostly compatible with text/plain, ".NFO" files and content have unique encoding and rendering characteristics that make them distinguishable from typical plain text. ***** 2. Release iNFOrmation Media Type Registration Application Type name: text Subtype name: nfo Required parameters: charset: Per Section 4.2.1 of [RFC6838], charset is REQUIRED. Unlike most other text types, the default value is the character set of the original IBM PC and MS-DOS, called OEM Code Page 437, and named "oem437". Implementations MUST support OEM Code Page 437. Unfortunately, the simple application of the IANA registered character set "IBM437" (aka "cp437") [RFC1345] will miss some important characters, so conformant implementations MUST support OEM Code Page 437 as specified in Section 3. NFOs authored for more modern computing environments are known to use ISO-8859-1, ISO- 8859-15 (including support for the Euro sign), or UTF-8; however, for maximum interoperability, these or any other character sets MUST be declared by the sender. When absent, a receiver MAY guess, but SHOULD heavily bias the outcome towards OEM Code Page 437 unless UTF-8 encoding is patently obvious. A RECOMMENDED detection algorithm is provided in Appendix A. Optional parameters: baud: A natural number (integer greater than 0) indicating the gross bit rate at which the NFO is supposed to be rendered to screen. This optional parameter provides a nostalgic effect from the days of modems and fixed-speed serial lines. It also controls the animation rate, to the extent that the NFO employs optional escape sequences. Encoding considerations: Text with 8-bit code points; all 8-bit combinations (including NUL) are possible. Accordingly, text SHOULD be quoted-printable or base64 encoded when transmitted over a channel that is not 8-bit clean. Security considerations:=20 It's just text; this format provides no facilities for confidentiality or integrity. The ANSI escape sequence "CSI 5 m" could, however, blink you to death. As only a subset of ANSI escape sequences MUST be interpreted; interpreting a greater range than the subset prescribed in this registration may introduce other security issues, such as transmitting operating system commands. Some code points in oem437 have been used ambiguously in practice, so implementations SHOULD NOT assume that the mapping between this charset and Unicode is bijective. When displayed, codes 00, 20, and FF MAY appear to be similar, i.e., as a blank space. Interoperability considerations: NFOs are plain text but look best when read in a terminal view or with a dedicated NFO viewer that can emulate terminal features. As a result, they SHOULD be treated differently than text/plain files. The reference implementation that all NFO viewers SHOULD target is an IBM PC-compatible machine running MS-DOS 6.22 with the ANSI.SYS MS-DOS device driver loaded, where the NFO is displayed as if it were output to the terminal using the "TYPE" command. Published specification: [[Note to RFC Editor: Insert number here.]] Applications that use this media type: NFO viewers; text editors; terminals. Fragment identifier considerations: Same as text/plain [RFC5147]. Note that escape sequences do not contribute to the character count [[NB: do they?]], and line breaks are treated as one character, regardless of whether CRLF or some other code(s) are used. Additional information: Deprecated alias names for this type: text/x-nfo File extension(s): .nfo Macintosh file type code(s): TEXT. A uniform type identifier (UTI) of "public.nfo", which conforms to "public.plain-text", is RECOMMENDED. Person & email address to contact for further information: Sean Leonard Restrictions on usage: None. Author/Change controller: Sean Leonard Intended usage: COMMON Provisional registration? No ***** To: ietf-charsets@iana.org Subject: Registration of new charset oem437 Charset name: oem437 Charset aliases: None. Suitability for use in MIME text: Suitable. Published specification(s): This specification; [OEMCP437]. ISO 10646 equivalency table: This table is taken from the IBM437 registration in [RFC1345], with modifications based on actual implementations of [OEMCP437], as discussed in this document. Character mnemonic symbols generally map to the Unicode code points listed in Section 3 of [RFC1345], with the following exceptions. The symbol suffix $ (for example, HT$) means that the Unicode code point mapping is essentially correct, but an implementation might need to perform additional or special processing as discussed in this document, depending on the output environment. The symbol $$ means that this code point has special considerations as discussed in this document, so no single, definitive Unicode code point mapping can be given. Finally, three characters have no corresponding mnemonic symbols in Section 3 of [RFC1345], so symbols are defined here: $> 25ba BLACK RIGHT-POINTING POINTER $< 25c4 BLACK LEFT-POINTING POINTER $B 21a8 UP DOWN ARROW WITH BASE NU$ 0u 0U cH- cD- cC cS BL$ BS$ HT$ LF$ Ml Fm CR$ M2 SU $> $< UD !*2 PI SE SR $B -! -v $$ EC$ -L <> UT Dt SP ! " Nb DO % & ' ( ) * + , - . / 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < =3D > ? At A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z <( // )> '> _ '! a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z (! !! !) '? Eh C, u: e' a> a: a! aa c, e> e: e! i: i> i! A: AA E' ae AE o> o: o! u> u! y: O: U: Ct Pd Ye Pt Fl a' i' o' u' n? 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: OS1PR01MB0136 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (pechora8.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.74]); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: "media-types@iana.org" Subject: Re: [media-types] [apps-discuss] text/nfo draft-01 to -02 feedback, was Re: Volunteer needed for media type ISE review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 11:16:29 -0000 On 2015/10/05 09:52, Sean Leonard wrote: > Hello Tom et. al.: >> s.3.7 this template corresponds to RFC2978 but I note that IANA has a >> few extra fields. Doubtless the Expert Reviewer will ask for them if >> needed. > > I looked through the IANA registries (note that there are two: the > "charsets" registry and the "character sets" registry), Can you say what you are referring to here? As far as I know, there is only one such registry. And as an expert reviewer for that registry, I guess I should know :-(. >> 3.5 Better to be explicit that it is the 'Media Types' registry that is >> the intended destination. > > I did not modify the IANA Considerations text, not so much because I > disagree, but because I have at least two other Internet-Drafts: > draft-seantek-windows-image > draft-ietf-appsawg-text-markdown > > in which the same boilerplate directives are stated, without saying > "...in the Standards tree of the Media Types registry [CITE NEEDED?] > using the application provided...". If I change this draft, it is only > fair that I change the other drafts. Note that the text-markdown draft > is allllmoooosssttt ttthhheerrreee to AUTH48. > > So this is a general referendum on the topic. In a published document is > it necessary to state: > 1. "of the Media Types registry" > 2. "[CITE]" to the Media Types registry > 3. "in the [Standards] tree" (let's face it, it's almost always going to > be in the Standards tree, otherwise why bother; it's also implicit in > the registration template) > > in the IANA Considerations? In the published document, the "please register" phrase will be replaced by something saying that IANA registered it, or so I think. > My view is that this statement is sufficient: > IANA is asked to register the media type X/Y using the application > provided in Section Z of this document. If it turns out to not be sufficient, IANA will tell you when they review the document. If a document is close to AUTH48, then it most probably already has passed that review. Regards, Martin. From nobody Mon Oct 5 06:01:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643D91ACD3B for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q7Ona4pGIxLQ for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pechora7.dc.icann.org (pechora7.icann.org [IPv6:2620:0:2830:201::1:73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 883401ACD3A for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by pechora7.dc.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t95D1U1w006516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:01:50 GMT Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B990E509C2; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:01:26 -0400 (EDT) To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J._D=c3=bcrst?=" , "t.petch" , apps-discuss@ietf.org References: <560A2D96.7080605@seantek.com> <002d01d0faaa$315235c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <5611C9DA.3050302@seantek.com> <56123E72.3050602@it.aoyama.ac.jp> From: Sean Leonard Message-ID: <56127486.1030305@seantek.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:00:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56123E72.3050602@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060402050009080104010702" X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (pechora7.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.73]); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: "media-types@iana.org" Subject: Re: [media-types] [apps-discuss] text/nfo draft-01 to -02 feedback, was Re: Volunteer needed for media type ISE review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." 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auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (pechora7.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.73]); Tue, 06 Oct 2015 06:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: media-types@iana.org Subject: Re: [media-types] [apps-discuss] text/nfo draft-01 to -02 feedback, was Re: Volunteer needed for media type ISE review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 06:34:16 -0000 On 2015/10/06 00:40, t.petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin J. Dürst" > To: "Sean Leonard" ; "t.petch" > ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:10 AM >> >> On 2015/10/05 09:52, Sean Leonard wrote: >>> Hello Tom et. al.: >> >>>> s.3.7 this template corresponds to RFC2978 but I note that IANA > has a >>>> few extra fields. Doubtless the Expert Reviewer will ask for > them if >>>> needed. >>> >>> I looked through the IANA registries (note that there are two: the >>> "charsets" registry and the "character sets" registry), >> >> Can you say what you are referring to here? As far as I know, there is >> only one such registry. And as an expert reviewer for that registry, I >> guess I should know :-(. > > > charsets is for those not defined in RFC and so not applicable here Yes indeed. The registry is at http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets/character-sets.xml. The page at http://www.iana.org/assignments/charset-reg/charset-reg.xhtml isn't a registry, just a list of pointers to registration documents. The text on the page explains this. In both cases, the page heading uses the term "Character Set", not "Charset" (I wish it were otherwise, but that's a separate issue.) > My other comment related to the MIBenum - I see now that these are > assigned by IANA. They can be proposed by the submitter, but indeed they are assigned by IANA. Regards, Martin. From nobody Tue Oct 6 01:42:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482531B3D09 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 01:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lq6ywvxkc8uq for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 01:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pechora4.lax.icann.org (pechora4.icann.org [IPv6:2620:0:2d0:201::1:74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DBEA1B3D08 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 01:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by pechora4.lax.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t968fiJh011845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 08:42:04 GMT Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FD2D509BE; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 04:41:19 -0400 (EDT) To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J._D=c3=bcrst?=" , "t.petch" , apps-discuss@ietf.org References: <560A2D96.7080605@seantek.com> <002d01d0faaa$315235c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <5611C9DA.3050302@seantek.com> <56123E72.3050602@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <009901d0ff84$3104aba0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <56136B41.2070304@it.aoyama.ac.jp> From: Sean Leonard Message-ID: <5613890F.9020107@seantek.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 01:40:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56136B41.2070304@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms000106060600050704070704" X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (pechora4.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.74]); Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: media-types@iana.org Subject: Re: [media-types] [apps-discuss] text/nfo draft-01 to -02 feedback, was Re: Volunteer needed for media type ISE review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:42:06 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000106060600050704070704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/5/2015 11:33 PM, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > > > On 2015/10/06 00:40, t.petch wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" >> To: "Sean Leonard" ; "t.petch" >> ; >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:10 AM >>> >>> On 2015/10/05 09:52, Sean Leonard wrote: >>>> Hello Tom et. al.: >>> >>>>> s.3.7 this template corresponds to RFC2978 but I note that IANA >> has a >>>>> few extra fields. Doubtless the Expert Reviewer will ask for >> them if >>>>> needed. >>>> >>>> I looked through the IANA registries (note that there are two: the >>>> "charsets" registry and the "character sets" registry), >>> >>> Can you say what you are referring to here? As far as I know, there i= s >>> only one such registry. And as an expert reviewer for that registry, = I >>> guess I should know :-(. >> >> >> charsets is for those not defined in RFC and so not applicable here > > Yes indeed. The registry is at=20 > http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets/character-sets.xml. The = > page at http://www.iana.org/assignments/charset-reg/charset-reg.xhtml=20 > isn't a registry, just a list of pointers to registration documents.=20 > The text on the page explains this. In both cases, the page heading=20 > uses the term "Character Set", not "Charset" (I wish it were=20 > otherwise, but that's a separate issue.) Uh, if the text on the page explains this, it is awfully elliptical: True, =20 notes that "The following is the ***list*** of Character Set=20 Registrations not defined in RFCs:" But: =E2=80=A2 It also says "Registration Procedure(s)". =E2=80=A2 The title is "Character Set Registrations". =E2=80=A2 The URL is=20 ,=20 three keywords that would imply a registry. =E2=80=A2 The stylesheet of the page is "=20 type=3D"text/css" /> -- implying a registry. =E2=80=A2 Both pages are listed with equal weight in=20 , which is titled "Protocol Registries".=20 There is no indication on that page that some documents are not actually = registries. 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"media-types@iana.org" Message-ID: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:35:17 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080805060404090300080406" X-Greylist: Delayed for 246:55:18 by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (pechora7.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.73]); Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: draft-kaliski-pkcs8.all@tools.ietf.org, Sean Turner , Russ Housley , draft-moriarty-pkcs12v1-1.all@tools.ietf.org, draft-turner-asymmetrickeyformat.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [media-types] Internet media type application/pkcs8-encrypted; request review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:37:04 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080805060404090300080406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Media Types reviewers (and to relevant security folks): This is a first draft of a registration request for the Internet media ty= pe application/pkcs8-encrypted, for PKCS #8 EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo conte= nt. Feedback is appreciated. This registration is consistent with the recent application/pkcs8, applic= ation/pkcs10, and application/pkcs12 registrations. The relevant standard= , RFC 5958, is primarily a republication of PKCS #8, and does not have it= s own media type registration in the text. Regards, Sean ***** Type name: application Subtype name: pkcs8-encrypted Required parameters: N/A Optional parameters: N/A Encoding considerations: binary Security considerations: Carries a cryptographic private key. See Section 6 of RFC 5958. EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo PKCS #8 data contains exactly one private key. Po= or password choices, weak algorithms, or improper parameter selections (e= =2Eg., insufficient salting rounds) will make the confidential payloads m= uch easier to compromise. Interoperability considerations: PKCS #8 is a widely recognized format for private key information on all = modern cryptographic stacks. The encrypted variation in this registration= , EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo (Section 3, Encrypted Private Key Info, of RFC = 5958, and Section 6 of PKCS #8), is less widely used for exchange than PK= CS #12, but it is much simpler to implement. The contents are exactly one= private key (with optional attributes), so the possibility for hidden "e= aster eggs" in the payload such as unexpected certificates or miscellaneo= us secrets is drastically reduced. Published specification: PKCS #8 v1.2, November 1993 (republished as RFC 5208, May 2008); RFC 5958= , August 2010 Applications that use this media type: Machines, applications, browsers, Internet kiosks, and so on, that suppor= t this standard allow a user to import, export, and exercise a single pri= vate key. Fragment identifier considerations: N/A Additional information: Deprecated alias names for this type: N/A Magic number(s): None. File extension(s): .p8e Macintosh file type code(s): N/A Person & email address to contact for further information: Sean Leonard Intended usage: COMMON Restrictions on usage: None. Author: RSA, EMC, IETF Change controller: The IETF Provisional registration? 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ESMTP id 6929CC87CAA50 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 14:34:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [173.73.126.234] (port=55877 helo=[172.16.0.112]) by gator3286.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnXFl-0001uf-Ql; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 14:34:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:34:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91C56926-432E-414E-94A7-9947C7F50FCF@ieca.com> References: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> To: Sean Leonard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3286.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - iana.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.73.126.234 X-Exim-ID: 1ZnXFl-0001uf-Ql X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([172.16.0.112]) [173.73.126.234]:55877 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IzMjg2Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:26:13 by milter-greylist-4.0 (pechora1.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.71]); Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: draft-kaliski-pkcs8.all@tools.ietf.org, Russ Housley , "media-types@iana.org" , draft-turner-asymmetrickeyformat.all@tools.ietf.org, draft-moriarty-pkcs12v1-1.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [media-types] Internet media type application/pkcs8-encrypted; request review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:01:30 -0000 Sean, I guess I=92m confused by this request because I thought we=92d agreed = was an editorial errata for RFC5958 to address this issue: OLD: .p8 files are sometimes PEM-encoded. When .p8 files are PEM encoded they use the .pem file extension. PEM encoding is either the Base64 encoding, from Section 4 of [RFC4648], of the DER-encoded EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo sandwiched between: -----BEGIN ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- -----END ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- NEW: The data in .p8 files is sometimes PEM-encoded. When the data in .p8 files is PEM encoded, the files use the .pem file extension. PEM encoding is either the Base64 encoding, from Section 4 of [RFC4648], of the DER-encoded EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo sandwiched between: -----BEGIN ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- -----END ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- spt On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:35, Sean Leonard wrote: > To Media Types reviewers (and to relevant security folks): >=20 > This is a first draft of a registration request for the Internet media = type application/pkcs8-encrypted, for PKCS #8 EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo = content. >=20 > Feedback is appreciated. >=20 > This registration is consistent with the recent application/pkcs8, = application/pkcs10, and application/pkcs12 registrations. The relevant = standard, RFC 5958, is primarily a republication of PKCS #8, and does = not have its own media type registration in the text. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Sean >=20 > ***** >=20 > Type name: application >=20 > Subtype name: pkcs8-encrypted >=20 > Required parameters: N/A >=20 > Optional parameters: N/A >=20 > Encoding considerations: binary >=20 > Security considerations: > Carries a cryptographic private key. See Section 6 of RFC 5958. > EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo PKCS #8 data contains exactly one private key. = Poor password choices, weak algorithms, or improper parameter selections = (e.g., insufficient salting rounds) will make the confidential payloads = much easier to compromise. >=20 > Interoperability considerations: > PKCS #8 is a widely recognized format for private key information on = all modern cryptographic stacks. The encrypted variation in this = registration, EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo (Section 3, Encrypted Private Key = Info, of RFC 5958, and Section 6 of PKCS #8), is less widely used for = exchange than PKCS #12, but it is much simpler to implement. The = contents are exactly one private key (with optional attributes), so the = possibility for hidden "easter eggs" in the payload such as unexpected = certificates or miscellaneous secrets is drastically reduced. >=20 > Published specification: > PKCS #8 v1.2, November 1993 (republished as RFC 5208, May 2008); RFC = 5958, August 2010 >=20 > Applications that use this media type: > Machines, applications, browsers, Internet kiosks, and so on, that = support this standard allow a user to import, export, and exercise a = single private key. >=20 > Fragment identifier considerations: N/A >=20 > Additional information: >=20 > Deprecated alias names for this type: N/A > Magic number(s): None. > File extension(s): .p8e > Macintosh file type code(s): N/A >=20 > Person & email address to contact for further information: > Sean Leonard >=20 > Intended usage: COMMON >=20 > Restrictions on usage: None. >=20 > Author: > RSA, EMC, IETF >=20 > Change controller: The IETF >=20 > Provisional registration? (standards tree only): No >=20 >=20 From nobody Sun Oct 25 03:19:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AC61B29A3 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iw2YGfSv_clt for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE41D1AD4A1 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A67B509BD; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 06:18:43 -0400 (EDT) To: media-types@ietf.org References: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> From: Sean Leonard Message-ID: <562CAC35.9070601@seantek.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:17:25 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Russ Housley , "Kaliski, Burt" Subject: Re: [media-types] Internet media type application/pkcs8-encrypted; request review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:18:49 -0000 Hello: Just a bump to see if there are any media-types@-specific comments on application/pkcs8-encrypted... Thank you, Sean On 10/16/2015 8:35 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: > To Media Types reviewers (and to relevant security folks): > > This is a first draft of a registration request for the Internet media > type application/pkcs8-encrypted, for PKCS #8 EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo > content. > > Feedback is appreciated. > > This registration is consistent with the recent application/pkcs8, > application/pkcs10, and application/pkcs12 registrations. The relevant > standard, RFC 5958, is primarily a republication of PKCS #8, and does > not have its own media type registration in the text. > > Regards, > > Sean > > ***** > > Type name: application > > Subtype name: pkcs8-encrypted > > Required parameters: N/A > > Optional parameters: N/A > > Encoding considerations: binary > > Security considerations: > Carries a cryptographic private key. See Section 6 of RFC 5958. > EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo PKCS #8 data contains exactly one private key. > Poor password choices, weak algorithms, or improper parameter > selections (e.g., insufficient salting rounds) will make the > confidential payloads much easier to compromise. > > Interoperability considerations: > PKCS #8 is a widely recognized format for private key information on > all modern cryptographic stacks. The encrypted variation in this > registration, EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo (Section 3, Encrypted Private > Key Info, of RFC 5958, and Section 6 of PKCS #8), is less widely used > for exchange than PKCS #12, but it is much simpler to implement. The > contents are exactly one private key (with optional attributes), so > the possibility for hidden "easter eggs" in the payload such as > unexpected certificates or miscellaneous secrets is drastically reduced. > > Published specification: > PKCS #8 v1.2, November 1993 (republished as RFC 5208, May 2008); RFC > 5958, August 2010 > > Applications that use this media type: > Machines, applications, browsers, Internet kiosks, and so on, that > support this standard allow a user to import, export, and exercise a > single private key. > > Fragment identifier considerations: N/A > > Additional information: > > Deprecated alias names for this type: N/A > Magic number(s): None. > File extension(s): .p8e > Macintosh file type code(s): N/A > > Person & email address to contact for further information: > Sean Leonard > > Intended usage: COMMON > > Restrictions on usage: None. > > Author: > RSA, EMC, IETF > > Change controller: The IETF > > Provisional registration? (standards tree only): No From nobody Sun Oct 25 03:34:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: media-types@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FB11B2AA1 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:34:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_22=0.6] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cpBC32VAm_kA for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pechora7.dc.icann.org (pechora7.icann.org [IPv6:2620:0:2830:201::1:73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467991B2A9E for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by pechora7.dc.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9PAXmKD012239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:34:09 GMT Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C958E509BB; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 06:33:26 -0400 (EDT) References: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> <91C56926-432E-414E-94A7-9947C7F50FCF@ieca.com> From: Sean Leonard To: "media-types@iana.org" Message-ID: <562CAFA7.4010402@seantek.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 03:32:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <91C56926-432E-414E-94A7-9947C7F50FCF@ieca.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060904010600040905060602" X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (pechora7.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.73]); Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: Sean Turner , Russ Housley , "Kaliski, Burt" , draft-moriarty-pkcs12v1-1.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [media-types] Internet media type application/pkcs8-encrypted; request review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:34:12 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060904010600040905060602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello media-types reviewers: spt and seantek had a conversation off-list. While we did not reach agreement on it, the TL;DR version is: The registration for the X.690 (DER, BER) encoding of the=20 EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo PDU could be: application/pkcs8-encrypted with suggested file extension .p8e OR application/pkcs8; encrypted=3Dtrue (or 1 or some such) with suggested file extension...probably still .p8. maybe .p8e too,=20 maybe not I guess it's worth asking the media-types folks here: what are the=20 factors that weigh in for adding parameters to an existing media type,=20 versus registering a new media type? Ancillary issue: are we in agreement about what magic numbers are vs.=20 are not? RFC 6838 Section 4.12 says that they "are byte sequences that=20 are always present at a given place in the file and thus can be used to=20 identify entities..." So they must be at a fixed place in the file, not=20 "3 bytes away from that other byte that is n bytes away from the first=20 byte that says how much n is", and the magic bytes must be sufficiently=20 specific (not just '30h', for example, which is the start of most=20 ASN.1/X.690-based serializations)? Sean On 10/17/2015 12:34 PM, Sean Turner wrote: > Sean, > > I guess I=92m confused by this request because I thought we=92d agreed = was an editorial errata for RFC5958 to address this issue: > > OLD: > > .p8 files are sometimes PEM-encoded. When .p8 files are PEM encoded= > they use the .pem file extension. PEM encoding is either the Base64= > encoding, from Section 4 of [RFC4648], of the DER-encoded > EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo sandwiched between: > > -----BEGIN ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- > -----END ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- > > NEW: > > The data in .p8 files is sometimes PEM-encoded. When the data in > .p8 files is PEM encoded, the files use the .pem file extension. P= EM > encoding is either the Base64 encoding, from Section 4 of [RFC4648],= > of the DER-encoded EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo sandwiched between: > > -----BEGIN ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- > -----END ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY----- > > spt > > On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:35, Sean Leonard wrote: > >> To Media Types reviewers (and to relevant security folks): >> >> This is a first draft of a registration request for the Internet media= type application/pkcs8-encrypted, for PKCS #8 EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo co= ntent. >> >> Feedback is appreciated. >> >> This registration is consistent with the recent application/pkcs8, app= lication/pkcs10, and application/pkcs12 registrations. The relevant stand= ard, RFC 5958, is primarily a republication of PKCS #8, and does not have= its own media type registration in the text. >> >> Regards, >> >> Sean >> >> ***** >> >> Type name: application >> >> Subtype name: pkcs8-encrypted >> >> Required parameters: N/A >> >> Optional parameters: N/A >> >> Encoding considerations: binary >> >> Security considerations: >> Carries a cryptographic private key. See Section 6 of RFC 5958. >> EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo PKCS #8 data contains exactly one private key.= Poor password choices, weak algorithms, or improper parameter selections= (e.g., insufficient salting rounds) will make the confidential payloads = much easier to compromise. >> >> Interoperability considerations: >> PKCS #8 is a widely recognized format for private key information on a= ll modern cryptographic stacks. The encrypted variation in this registrat= ion, EncryptedPrivateKeyInfo (Section 3, Encrypted Private Key Info, of R= FC 5958, and Section 6 of PKCS #8), is less widely used for exchange than= PKCS #12, but it is much simpler to implement. The contents are exactly = one private key (with optional attributes), so the possibility for hidden= "easter eggs" in the payload such as unexpected certificates or miscella= neous secrets is drastically reduced. >> >> Published specification: >> PKCS #8 v1.2, November 1993 (republished as RFC 5208, May 2008); RFC 5= 958, August 2010 >> >> Applications that use this media type: >> Machines, applications, browsers, Internet kiosks, and so on, that sup= port this standard allow a user to import, export, and exercise a single = private key. >> >> Fragment identifier considerations: N/A >> >> Additional information: >> >> Deprecated alias names for this type: N/A >> Magic number(s): None. >> File extension(s): .p8e >> Macintosh file type code(s): N/A >> >> Person & email address to contact for further information: >> Sean Leonard >> >> Intended usage: COMMON >> >> Restrictions on usage: None. >> >> Author: >> RSA, EMC, IETF >> >> Change controller: The IETF >> >> Provisional registration? 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To: Sean Leonard , "media-types@iana.org" References: <56211935.10006@seantek.com> <91C56926-432E-414E-94A7-9947C7F50FCF@ieca.com> <562CAFA7.4010402@seantek.com> From: Henrik Andersson Message-ID: <562CB311.2020503@henke37.cjb.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:46:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0 SeaMonkey/2.38 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <562CAFA7.4010402@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCPeHCfF6X+nJlCiuHoobEG/BPa8J+e506vpVP1akWSEj1I+R7TIpBb0QeSV6P0G6F8ibTcbK0BWCO2piCyMUdglNcmiAd7mT3aCT1louHxOa2LC+cE/WbwW1vGZ2Q9gW1XX24/JPhcUuFmtGvIIIRIlYoaeORGKmV7Bt+gA3M+aTQrdfojSXJff/3vOMKMd0+FKOeItE6lAwkLXI8WB/sj9FwCW8L3+IyqsvwiZEwpxzpkj4E36Uc2cbUggXEU+5QoLmZ3SXTBHkBwgEvTIH8DDicSmkDUo0PZaCz6coZewNGa/mz/mXLVC2/Qt6dZvXKuSvmFyhVY1y2rVzLDRHfcIUQxx3gfCzlyhWhJotjQ9YwNZCWg4mbpSj2eDne+Agw== X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (pechora5.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.71]); Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Cc: Sean Turner , Russ Housley , "Kaliski, Burt" , draft-moriarty-pkcs12v1-1.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [media-types] Internet media type application/pkcs8-encrypted; request review X-BeenThere: media-types@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "IANA mailing list for reviewing Media Type \(MIME Type, Content Type\) registration requests." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:47:23 -0000 Magic numbers are used by dumb tools. It's a courtesy to provide them, not a requirement. Sean Leonard skrev: > Ancillary issue: are we in agreement about what magic numbers are vs. > are not? RFC 6838 Section 4.12 says that they "are byte sequences that > are always present at a given place in the file and thus can be used > to identify entities..." So they must be at a fixed place in the file, > not "3 bytes away from that other byte that is n bytes away from the > first byte that says how much n is", and the magic bytes must be > sufficiently specific (not just '30h', for example, which is the start > of most ASN.1/X.690-based serializations)? > > Sean >