From nobody Fri Feb 1 09:49:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: medup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: medup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4C313113E for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iQUqa3DehTal for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 09:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65D0013110D for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 09:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gpcwO-0001hN-3L for medup@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2019 18:49:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 18:49:24 +0100 (CET) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: medup@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: [Medup] Introduction to MEDUP X-BeenThere: medup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Missing Elements for Decentralized and Usable Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 17:49:33 -0000 Hi, In the following some initial information on this mailing list: As this list has just been created and advertized, we intend to give folks a few days time to subscribe to. Here some short intro: This list is for discussions of enhancements to application protocols for decentralized usable privacy. RFC 8280 has identified and documented important principles in such as Data Minimization, End-to-End and Interoperability in order to enable access to Human Rights. While (partial) implementations of these concepts are already available, today's applications widely lack Privacy support that ordinary users can easily handle. In MEDUP these issues are addressed based on Opportunistic Security (RFC 7435) principles. Updates/usage clarifications to application level protocols such as email and XMPP are in scope. So far the following Internet-Drafts (I-D) have been published; some have already expired (due to the 6-month-lifetime policy for I-Ds); in any case, we plan to submit updates of this I-Ds, starting shortly and send announements on publication of new I-Ds to this list: * pretty Easy privacy (pEp): Privacy by Default [update to come soon] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-birk-pep/ * pretty Easy privacy (pEp): Email Formats and Protocols https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-marques-pep-email/ * pretty Easy privacy (pEp): Contact and Channel Authentication through Handshake https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-marques-pep-handshake/ * pretty Easy privacy (pEp): Mapping of Privacy Rating https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-marques-pep-rating/ * IANA Registration of Trustword Lists: Guide, Template and IANA Considerations [to be updated] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-birk-pep-trustwords/ Have a nice weekend! so long, Bernie et al. -- http://ucom.ch/ Modern Telephony Solutions and Tech Consulting for Internet Technology From nobody Fri Feb 1 13:32:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: medup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: medup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902CF130EC7 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 13:32:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c3Ug7qr0qTR8 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 13:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.pibit.ch (dragon.pibit.ch [94.231.81.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A666130EBE for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 13:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.pibit.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D584171C06C for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:32:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from dragon.pibit.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dragon.pibit.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnn1Gi3EKrQD for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:32:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.43.10] (125.233.197.178.dynamic.wless.lssmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch [178.197.233.125]) by dragon.pibit.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F005171C05E for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:32:11 +0100 (CET) References: To: medup@ietf.org From: =?UTF-8?B?SGVybsOibmkgTWFycXVlcyAocOKJoXAgZm91bmRhdGlvbik=?= Openpgp: id=31733E0C598D3A1CF70955D6CB5738652768F7E9 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:32:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AIsc2Ja38B06x8S1W3il6FoXvZ2EMtlko" Archived-At: Subject: [Medup] Fwd: [Pearg] Fwd: New Non-WG Mailing List: MEDUP X-BeenThere: medup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Missing Elements for Decentralized and Usable Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 21:32:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --AIsc2Ja38B06x8S1W3il6FoXvZ2EMtlko Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PrMwjX4rHqlBZaj4x6mc3ltDtcQqRDiPR"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?B?SGVybsOibmkgTWFycXVlcyAocOKJoXAgZm91bmRhdGlvbik=?= To: medup@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: [Pearg] Fwd: New Non-WG Mailing List: MEDUP References: In-Reply-To: --PrMwjX4rHqlBZaj4x6mc3ltDtcQqRDiPR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BC0F1926E820902F7F2F8205" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BC0F1926E820902F7F2F8205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello MEDUP subscribers For people which just subscribed with perhaps the same questions in mind.= Greets Hernani -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Pearg] Fwd: New Non-WG Mailing List: MEDUP Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:18:49 +0100 (CET) From: Bernie Hoeneisen To: Corinne Cath , Carsten Bormann CC: medup-owner@ietf.org, Allison Mankin , pearg@irtf.org Dear Corinne, Carsten et al. As one of the list administrators, I am trying to answer your questions. Though, I am not sure, what exactelly you mean by "additional background"= =2E You can find some basic information and links to existing Internet-Drafts in my intro email at: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/medup/mbrbhFekt_srXShzpCa4RiXgPb= Y https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/medup/ The main proponents are from the pEp Foundation: https://pep.foundation/ This non-working group list intends to discuss the proposals and Internet-Drafts submitted (without the formal framework of a Working Group) and to prepare a BoF proposal on the topic. Does this answer your questions? Best, Bernie On Fri, 1 Feb 2019, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Feb 1, 2019, at 21:36, Corinne Cath wrote: >> >> Does anyone have some additional background on this group? 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+0000 Message-ID: To: Allison Mankin , medup@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dffe7a058178017d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Medup] [Pearg] Fwd: New Non-WG Mailing List: MEDUP X-BeenThere: medup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Missing Elements for Decentralized and Usable Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 15:48:37 -0000 --000000000000dffe7a058178017d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, Thanks for the elaborate answers this is very helpful. Just to provide a bit of background from my side - I am an anthropologist doing PhD research on public interest advocacy within the IRTF and IETF. And as such always interested in understanding where new works comes from and is heading to, from the perspective of the people organizing it. Feel free to PM me for more information! Kind regards, Corinne On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:52 PM Allison Mankin wrote: > Corinne, > > An AD can approve a discussion list that is not specific to a WG and that > may or may not indicate a BOF is coming. You can look on the IETF BOF wiki > for current BOF proposals, though, check it at the deadline to see all > proposed for IETF 104 (deadline 2/8) > > BOF wiki: > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ > > I expect that MEDUP will discuss shorter time horizons than PEARG, as > being from IETF ART versus IRTF. > > Allison > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 12:37 PM Corinne Cath > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone have some additional background on this group? How it came >> about and what does it mean to be a non-working group list? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Corinne >> >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 5:08 PM Allison Mankin >> wrote: >> >>> IETF apps and real-time area list for discussing privacy >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: IETF Secretariat >>> Date: Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 8:05 AM >>> Subject: New Non-WG Mailing List: MEDUP >>> To: IETF Announcement List >>> CC: , >>> >>> >>> A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. >>> >>> List address: medup@ietf.org >>> Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/medup/ >>> To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/medup >>> >>> Purpose: >>> RFC 8280 has identified and documented important principles in such as >>> Data Minimization, End-to-End and Interoperability in order to enable >>> access to Human Rights. While (partial) implementations of these concepts >>> are already available, today's applications widely lack Privacy support >>> that ordinary users can easily handle. >>> >>> In MEDUP these issues are addressed based on Opportunistic Security (RFC >>> 7435) principles. Updates/usage clarifications to application level >>> protocols such as email and XMPP are in scope. >>> >>> >>> This list belong IETF area: ART >>> >>> For additional information, please contact the list administrators. >>> >>> -- >>> Pearg mailing list >>> Pearg@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/pearg >>> >> >> >> -- >> Corinne Cath - Speth >> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute >> >> Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath >> Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com >> Twitter: @C_Cath >> > -- Corinne Cath - Speth Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com Twitter: @C_Cath --000000000000dffe7a058178017d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

Thanks for the elaborate answers this is very help= ful.

Just to provide a bit of background from my side - I am an anthro= pologist doing PhD research on public interest advocacy within the IRTF=C2= =A0and IETF.

And as such always interested in understanding where new = works comes from and is heading to, from the perspective of the people orga= nizing it.

Feel free to PM me for more information!

Kind=C2=A0reg= ards,

Corinne=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:52 PM Allison Mankin= <allison.mankin@gmail.com> wrote:
Corinne,

BOF wiki:=C2=A0

I expect that MEDU= P will discuss shorter time horizons than PEARG, as being from IETF ART ver= sus IRTF.

Allison=C2=A0<= /div>




On= Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 12:37 PM Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Do= es anyone have some additional background on this group? How it came about = and what does it mean to be a non-working group list?

Kind regards,
<= br>
Corinne=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019= at 5:08 PM Allison Mankin <allison.mankin@gmail.com> wrote:
IETF apps = and real-time area list for discussing privacy=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ----= -----
From: IETF Secreta= riat <ietf-secretariat@ietf.org>
Date: F= ri, Feb 1, 2019 at 8:05 AM
Subject: New Non-WG Mailing List: MEDUP
To= : IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
CC: <bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch>= ;, <hernani.marques@pep.foundation>


A new IETF non-= working group email list has been created.

List address: medup@iet= f.org
Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/med= up/
To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/med= up

Purpose:
RFC 8280 has identified and documented important principles in such as Data= Minimization, End-to-End and Interoperability in order to enable access to= Human Rights. While (partial) implementations of these concepts are alread= y available, today's applications widely lack Privacy support that ordi= nary users can easily handle.

In MEDUP these issues are addressed based on Opportunistic Security (RFC 74= 35) principles. Updates/usage clarifications to application level protocols= such as email and XMPP are in scope.


This list belong IETF area: ART

For additional information, please contact the list administrators.

--
Pearg mailing list
Pearg@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/pearg


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= Corinne Cath - Speth
Ph.D= . Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute

= Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cat= h
Email: cc= ath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com
Twitter: @C_Cath
=


--
Co= rinne Cath - Speth
Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan= Turing Institute

Web: www.oii.= ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com
Twitter:= @C_Cath
<= /div>
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