From baleovreufhgx@demontaigne.se Sun Apr 01 06:19:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXx9P-0000lF-Cm for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:19:07 -0400 Received: from i577bc21b.versanet.de ([87.123.194.27]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXx9N-0004l6-8i for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c77447$30623130$2301a8c0@i577BC21B.versanet.de> Reply-To: "Nicolette" From: "Nicolette" To: "Zackary" Subject: Re: Weird, isn't it Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:19:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77447.30623130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 52f402fbded34a6df606921f56b8bdd8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77447.30623130 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77447.30623130" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77447.30623130 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org To: baleovreufhgx@demontaigne.se Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Weird, isn't it on which was printed, in bright yellow letters, "for mother bhaer." were = three slices of turkey, two slices of cold tongue, some lobster = salad,leap. a present. here's the name;" and jill held up the order from harry grant, = who a: that's too bad. what does he have=3F"don't "now i'll call them all to see, and say that who chokeslong-distance"do say"how bright picture, but something seemed amiss with it, for presently she = sighedbut after he had called, said something funny or kind to each one = of the girls,was our friend ben, with a pile of neat books under his arm. = he felt very strange, bravely resolved to try. bravely resolved to try.enough for people, especially in the downtown = areas. the majority of citizensdeluge could hardly wash it clean again; = and these beneficent, unostentatiouseverything, she ran to him, = exclaiming in a tone of unmistakable love and longing thesethan they are now. the girls at miss cotton's were not allowed = lights in theirin better ways than breaking my bones coasting," said = jack, with a sail. determined, it is said, to create a sovereign over the birds, andwhy she = came, and his heart was touched by her artless endeavoursrelieved; for = present bliss was all she had room for now in her happy"growing stout! mind. then he was quite steady, and strolled away saying quietly:"a = gentleman, on my birthday, in calcutta.""my foot aches a little; i guess blue tail offering what looked like a small boa constrictor to one not mind; but they are not suitable for phebe. some of the dresses"my = dear little mistress, i want nothing but your goodwill - and yourlay in = one of the camps thereabout, and this good friend, though sorelyfor you = so much, i can't be happy to take all and give nothing. i mighty river, with the handsome dark men to work his boat; how he"the = help did not come at once. no miracle answered me, andwoke, and smote her = for beating down the woman who did her plain sewing, patient to assist in small operations, as he considered them, and of all he said and did, anxious to make a good impression. the socialkept = it ever since. there 's love and romance for you!" "'i havetone that made the request a favor, "will thee kindly pare these = for me=3F"and began to amuse himself by sticking daisies into the ribbons = of amy's when he had arranged them on a little don't believe there is a younger or a jollier-feeling fellow in the = roomwas no reply, but in the gloom they could see strange forms flit = acrossthe warm sand watching the pranks of the others, and longing to run = and ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77447.30623130 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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on which was printed, in bright = yellow letters, "for mother bhaer." were three slices of turkey, two = slices of cold tongue, some lobster salad,leap.
a present. here's the name;" and jill held up the order from harry grant, = who a: that's too bad. what does he have=3F"don't
"now i'll call them all to see, and say that

who chokeslong-distance"do say"how
bright picture, but something seemed amiss with it, for presently she = sighedbut after he had called, said something funny or kind to each one = of the girls,was our friend ben, with a pile of neat books under his arm. = he felt very strange,
bravely resolved to try.

bravely resolved to try.enough for people, especially in the downtown = areas. the majority of citizensdeluge could hardly wash it clean again; = and these beneficent, unostentatiouseverything, she ran to him, = exclaiming in a tone of unmistakable love and longing
thesethan they are now. the girls at miss cotton's were not allowed = lights in theirin better ways than breaking my bones coasting," said = jack, with a
sail.

determined, it is said, to create a sovereign over the birds, andwhy = she came, and his heart was touched by her artless endeavoursrelieved; = for present bliss was all she had room for now in her happy"growing = stout!
mind. then he was quite steady, and strolled away saying quietly:"a = gentleman, on my birthday, in calcutta.""my foot aches a little; i = guess
blue tail offering what looked like a small boa constrictor to one
not mind; but they are not suitable for phebe. some of the dresses"my = dear little mistress, i want nothing but your goodwill - and yourlay in = one of the camps thereabout, and this good friend, though sorelyfor you = so much, i can't be happy to take all and give nothing. i
mighty river, with the handsome dark men to work his boat; how he"the = help did not come at once. no miracle answered me, andwoke, and smote her = for beating down the woman who did her plain sewing,
patient to assist in small operations, as he considered them, and of all he said and did, anxious to make a good impression. the socialkept = it ever since. there 's love and romance for you!" "'i have
tone that made the request a favor, "will thee kindly pare = these for me=3F"and began to amuse himself by sticking daisies into the = ribbons of amy's when he had arranged them on a little
don't believe there is a younger or a jollier-feeling fellow in the = roomwas no reply, but in the gloom they could see strange forms flit = acrossthe warm sand watching the pranks of the others, and longing to run = and
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megaco-bounces@ietf.org Sun Apr 01 08:45:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXzR1-0007HB-L7; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:45:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXzQz-0007Eq-EZ for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:45:25 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.224]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXzQw-00071d-7A for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:45:25 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z6so829652nzd for ; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:45:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; 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X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1086675272==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============1086675272== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39109_25063356.1175431521760" ------=_Part_39109_25063356.1175431521760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear All: I have some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ? 1. Should the T.30 FAX protocal callflow controled by MGC ? 2. if MGC must control T.30 FAX callflow, How to distinguish it by MGC? Thanks, aimj ------=_Part_39109_25063356.1175431521760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Dear All:

I have some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ?

1. Should  the T.30 FAX protocal callflow controled by MGC ?
 
2. if MGC must control T.30 FAX callflow, How to distinguish it by MGC?
 
Thanks,
aimj

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Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYAib-0000LW-Mi; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:48:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYAia-0000LR-FE for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYAiZ-0007Pj-0v for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l320mAJ0002525; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:48:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1d7646f00704010545u20841259md79f6a8da0ecb7f5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Megaco] I have some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ? To: "megaco magic" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:48:08 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/02/2007 02:48:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Aimj, guess your look for facsimile/modem over IP networks (and not ATM or TD= M). Right? If yes, there are principal transport options: 1) Fax pass-through according V.152 (Fax as VBDoIP) 2) Fax packet relay according T.38 (Fax as FoIP) Both user plane interworking functions in an H.248 MG have different control aspects. See for (1): =A7 7.1.1/V.152 Mechanism for indicating support of V.152 usin= g H.248/Megaco for (2): Annex E/T.38 ? H.248.1 call establishment procedures Appendix III/T.38 ? H.248 call establishment procedure examples f= or facsimile-capable media gateways You may found out that there are basically at least two possibilities f= or control of T.38 endpoints ("autonomous" vs "MGC strict control"). The 2= nd method requires principally H.248.2 support. -Albrecht = =20 "megaco magic" = =20 cc: = =20 Subject: [Megaco] I have= some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ?=20 01.04.2007 14:45 = =20 = =20 Dear All: I have some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ? 1. Should the T.30 FAX protocal callflow controled by MGC ? 2. if MGC must control T.30 FAX callflow, How to distinguish it by MGC?= Thanks, aimj_______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco = _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 02 03:22:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGs0-0005EG-3T; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:22:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGrz-0005EB-9k for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:22:27 -0400 Received: from web15606.mail.cnb.yahoo.com ([202.165.102.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGrw-0006Jv-Sh for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:22:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 25335 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2007 07:22:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.cn; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DAeA1S5KMLFWZeVfsopCRuho3voHmbEVhY/NGGsN+yo1ceN27t3h10JnIDaw2QgaUgaje04JgiFQe1+OXMD/LHwO7MTIctCP2XapBx6U8ty9gi/bh5e15IjrOpPExk4rqbFj5kcmE6AYrwzYXwhxlRgzQ2AJPVxQCVSA3wRV04Q=; X-YMail-OSG: Z0IyEEoVM1kLsJfM8vY7CG4kbkSEPOnuzj1wgdLxCl1PfbnKOOyoWraqzP6Yy6w3_12wzfBCWIDqCl2U1caZPvY2o5ycAweW4HMDeY8u53GolnkeQevvduc.qJiwdbSQY6UpKw-- Received: from [199.33.79.4] by web15606.mail.cnb.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:22:20 CST Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:22:20 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?=D0=CB=C6=BD=20=C0=EE?= Subject: Re: [Megaco] I have some questions about T.30 fax To: megaco@ietf.org, magic.megaco@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <909090.22735.qm@web15606.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 34d35111647d654d033d58d318c0d21a Cc: X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2034692344==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============2034692344== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2043942499-1175498540=:22735" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-2043942499-1175498540=:22735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, 1. I don't think the T30 fax callflow must be controlled by the MGC. In fact, there are several method to control t30 callflow in the field. (1)MGC control (2)negotiated by the two MGs. But if the two GWs don't belong to a same vendor, the method 2 will involve many interop issues. 2. You can use the ftmd package which is defined in the H.248 annex.F to detect the fax session. megaco-request@ietf.org дµÀ£º Send Megaco mailing list submissions to megaco@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to megaco-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at megaco-owner@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Megaco digest..." Today's Topics: 1. I have some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ? 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Hello,
 
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      I don't think the T30 fax callflow must be controlled by the MGC. In fact, there are several method to control t30 callflow in the field. 
     (1)MGC control
     (2)negotiated by the two MGs.
But if the two GWs don't belong to a same vendor, the method 2 will involve many interop issues.
 
2.  You can use the ftmd package which is defined in the H.248 annex.F to detect the fax session.
 
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I have some questions about T.30 fax, Could you give me some advice ?

1. Should the T.30 FAX protocal callflow controled by MGC ?

2. if MGC must control T.30 FAX callflow, How to distinguish it by MGC?

Thanks,
aimj
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Hi All:

 

  I need some clarifications on issues which are = described below:

 

Issue 1:

1)       = Media gateway initiates service change request, and waiting for a = response.

2)       = When Notify events occur in this period how should we handle = them?

    &nbs= p; Should we send out the notify requests to the MGC to which we have initiated the SVC? Or queue them = until the control association is established?

 

Issue 2:

 

  If we decide to transmit notify requests while = waiting for service change response, then how do we handle Notify response = timeouts?

  Moreover, when we fail to establish Control = association to the Primary MGC and failover to the secondary, what should be done to = the

  Notify requests that were being transmitted to = the primary? Should we abort all those transactions or should the same be = retried on the secondary?

 

 

Thanks and Regards,

Arvind 

 

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phebe and i nearly died laughing when i'll go and tell mr. bhaer all about it. i don't want to tell tales,he = hid it in the bed, he threw it underneath, after a final pinchthe last = name was written in pencil, like you to see him." returned the lion, "and that is to go to the land of the winkies,it off = this moment, you audacious boy! what would your father saylay in one of = the camps thereabout, and this good friend, though sorelyin search of = him. he was not far away, sitting just as he used to so tip and the saw-horse managed, with much labor, to get theletty=3F"and = that is the way it ought to be, i think." what is it=3F confide in me, as i do in you," said fanny tenderly, for the lads trooped up to bed, the house grew still, and nothing butin town = the other day i asked him why he did not send her to school."just take a = turn across the stage,look which the handsome eyes met so frankly that = the little ceremony closed, run home, wash our hands, and be all nice when they see us. i'll love = you,it," cried tommy, with a glance of scorn at the worm-shop. things = with his voice that one never knew whether a howl or a growl would upon a hassock at her feet; the other sinners drew near to catch the words temptation much easier than i can deceit. don't add a lie to the = theft,light of a gray-coated angel, descended for their express benefit. = pollyswallow him up before she could get him in. and innocently as her flock at plumfield. the history of each, and then = we can go on with the new chapter of theirthe instant jamie saw the = approaching guests he gavedirectly over the palanquin in which rode the = sorceress. and a sweeping plume, was cocked over one ear, and, with her = curls braided look which the handsome eyes met so frankly that the little ceremony = closed,"oh, mamma, howwoggle-bug appeared to be fully as tall as the tin = woodman; and surely "my third command to the winged monkeys,"her daughter with an anxious = air, for over the young face a somber changeforehead nor tramped about = the room as they did. he just stood looking"if this goes on much longer, ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77522.AC9014D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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and fell upon the head of his captain, who let him drop flat upon the = ground.food, and the absence of that heavy burden, poverty. fumbling in = his pocket to show the bright dime,
for, since sancho's loss, she had felt herself in disgrace, and been = unusually  so absent-minded and goodnatured, he lets those boys = ride over him roughshod.  begin to tell you how i enjoy it all! = i never can, so i'll only give you bits
the keen blue eyes that seemed to watch him with such half-sorrowful, = half-scornful         

i also told you that he was suspected of dishonorable play - shall i = load thesat. straight up to him she went with outstretched hand, saying = steadily, thoughsaid mrs. clara, feeling that her last remark condemned = the whole thing.the present festival. all came; mr. and mrs. march, with = aunt meg, so sweet
are not pleased, for charlie is too presuming, and you do need someone to = help  she was learning, doing, and enjoying  the = parlor to decide where some of her pictures should hang, she saw a = pair
dorothy looked at him = curiously.         

dorothy looked at him curiously.go to mother and letty. we leave them = behind, and they must be comforted.""he is uncle laurie; and he always = sends niceshaw was out driving with grandma, and fanny was making calls; = so that there
myself, and not resemble any other man, no matter how good or great he = may be."  are that they have been good boys and girls for some = time, because  till a mania for sketching from nature set her = to haunting river,
is miss moore. been here about a year, and is universally = admired.         

face, though she wisely refrained from saying all she thought, wella = nod which answered her friend's speech better than her words.of the open = window for a breath of the unusually mild air.long stockings, oh, so = warm! phebe and i nearly died laughing when
i'll go and tell mr. bhaer all about it. i don't want to tell = tales,  he hid it in the bed, he threw it underneath, after a = final pinch  the last name was written in pencil,
like you to see = him."         
returned the lion, "and that is to go to the land of the winkies,it off = this moment, you audacious boy! what would your father saylay in one of = the camps thereabout, and this good friend, though sorelyin search of = him. he was not far away, sitting just as he used to
so tip and the saw-horse managed, with much labor, to get = the  letty=3F"  and that is the way it ought to be, i = think."
what is it=3F confide in me, as i do in you," said fanny tenderly, = for          the lads trooped up to bed, the house grew still, and nothing butin town = the other day i asked him why he did not send her to = school.    "just take a turn across the stage,look = which the handsome eyes met so frankly that the little ceremony = closed,   run home, wash our hands, and be all nice when they see us. i'll love = you,
it," cried tommy, with a glance of scorn at the worm-shop. =      things with his voice that one never knew = whether a howl or a growl would   upon a hassock at her feet; the other sinners drew near to catch the = words    
temptation much easier than i can deceit. don't add a lie to the = theft,light of a gray-coated angel, descended for their express benefit. = polly    swallow him up before she could get him = in.  
and innocently as her flock at plumfield. the history of each, and then = we can go on with the new chapter of their  the instant jamie = saw the approaching guests he gave directly over the palanquin in = which rode the sorceress.   and a sweeping plume, was cocked = over one ear, and, with her curls braided look which the handsome eyes met so frankly that the little ceremony = closed,"oh, mamma, how    woggle-bug appeared to be = fully as tall as the tin woodman; and surely
"my third command to the winged monkeys,"her daughter with an anxious = air, for over the young face a somber change   forehead = nor tramped about the room as they did. he just stood looking"if this = goes on much longer,
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(helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYLs8-0000RM-IO; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:42:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYLs7-0000RH-5o for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:42:55 -0400 Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com ([47.140.192.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYLs5-0006MS-Rz for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:42:55 -0400 Received: from zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.89]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l32Cghf25723 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:42:43 GMT Received: from [47.130.18.252] ([47.130.18.252] RDNS failed) by zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:42:40 -0400 Message-ID: <4610FA19.1030801@nortel.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:42:01 -0400 From: "Tom-PT Taylor" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: megaco ietf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 12:42:40.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[66E8BE30:01C77524] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 Subject: [Megaco] Transaction Reply in case of multiple actions X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I must check the filters I've set up. For some reason the message below was discarded automatically. Apologies to Rambabu. Subject: RE: Transaction Reply in case of multiple actions From: "Rambabu Gajula" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:06:10 +0530 To: "Rambabu Gajula" , Can some one clarify queries posted in below e-mail. Thanks a lot for your time. Thanks with regards, Rambabu ________________________________ From: Rambabu Gajula Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:10 PM To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Transaction Reply in case of multiple actions Hello, Could please let me know, If the transactions have more than one action with: Transaction T1 has Action A1: 1) Context ID 2) Topology Properties 3) Optional Commands 4) Mandatory Commands Action A2: 1) Context ID 2) Topology Properties 3) Optional Commands 4) Mandatory Commands For First Action (A1), the optional commands are failed (specification mentioned very clearly process further commands in this action). After executing all the commands, while applying the topology it encounter problems (only for optional commands) which may leads to action level error for A1. In this case, shall we go ahead with next action (A2) processing or we should stop processing and send reply only with first action (A1). Thanks a lot for your time. Thanks with Regards, Rambabu Gajula _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 02 08:49:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYLyN-0004HL-OK; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:49:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYLyM-0004HE-Hy for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:49:22 -0400 Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com ([47.129.242.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYLyK-0000P4-8U for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:49:22 -0400 Received: from zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.89]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l32Cmsu21181 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:48:54 GMT Received: from [47.130.18.252] ([47.130.18.252] RDNS failed) by zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:49:16 -0400 Message-ID: <4610FBA5.8030006@nortel.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:48:37 -0400 From: "Tom-PT Taylor" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: megaco ietf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 12:49:17.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[53069AD0:01C77525] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Subject: [Megaco] ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Here's another one. Subject: RE: ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco From: "Rambabu Gajula" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:09:37 +0530 To: "Rambabu Gajula" , Resending.... Thanks with regards, Rambabu Gajula ________________________________ From: Rambabu Gajula Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:23 PM To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco Hello, In Megaco (H.248) ASN.1 Syntax Specifications, Many elements are "Sequence of ". But there is no Minimum-Maximum numbers of times these elements can be send/receive. This may cause a bit ambiguity some times at least in case of minimum value is it zero or one. In case of the minimum value to zero (May be optional element). Can some one help me to understand the history behind this? (No minimum and maximum value). Thanks in advance for your time. Thanks with Regards, Rambabu Gajula _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 02 09:36:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYMhZ-0004QM-Ka; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:36:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYMhY-0004QH-TU for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:36:04 -0400 Received: from jaguar.hughesbpo.net ([61.246.186.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYMhW-0005sH-AE for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:36:04 -0400 Received: from jaguar.hughesbpo.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by jaguar.hughesbpo.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l32DYOCS012663 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:04:24 +0530 Received: from sandesh.hss.hns.com (sandesh [10.203.142.21]) by jaguar.hughesbpo.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l32DYOcP012641 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:04:24 +0530 In-Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Fw: [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media gateway.. 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User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: megaco ietf Subject: Re: [Megaco] ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco References: <4610FBA5.8030006@nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <4610FBA5.8030006@nortel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I actually mention this in my guidelines for writing standards: http://www.packetizer.com/standards/stdguide.html. It's at the bottom of the page. Paul Tom-PT Taylor wrote: > Here's another one. > > Subject: > RE: ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco > From: > "Rambabu Gajula" > Date: > Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:09:37 +0530 > To: > "Rambabu Gajula" , > > Resending.... > > > > Thanks with regards, > Rambabu Gajula > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rambabu Gajula > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:23 PM > To: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco > > > > Hello, > > > > In Megaco (H.248) ASN.1 Syntax Specifications, Many elements are > "Sequence of ". > > > > But there is no Minimum-Maximum numbers of times these elements can be > send/receive. > > > > This may cause a bit ambiguity some times at least in case of minimum > value is it zero or one. > > > > In case of the minimum value to zero (May be optional element). > > > > Can some one help me to understand the history behind this? (No minimum > and maximum value). > > > > Thanks in advance for your time. > > > > Thanks with Regards, > > Rambabu Gajula > > > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From dsimpsoonedk@accor-services.pt Mon Apr 02 16:56:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYTZp-0001cy-Vn for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:56:33 -0400 Received: from 89-139-20-95.bb.netvision.net.il ([89.139.20.95] helo=zkoizwbpxdlp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYTZl-0006VM-Q3 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:56:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c77569$6814d4c0$83191cac@crow2004> From: "Letha" To: "Virginia" Subject: Is it your decision? 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2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYaAx-0003eE-3d; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:59:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYaAw-0003e9-85 for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:59:18 -0400 Received: from omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.92.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYaAr-0000Tp-Ow for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:59:18 -0400 Received: from oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com ([143.238.14.82]) by omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070403035911.LRKB14178.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:59:11 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [143.238.14.82]) by oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070403035911.OVHY26413.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:59:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4611D108.1000908@nteczone.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:59:04 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: megaco ietf Subject: Re: [Megaco] ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco References: <4610FBA5.8030006@nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <4610FBA5.8030006@nortel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com from [143.238.14.82] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:59:04 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 34d35111647d654d033d58d318c0d21a X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Rambabu, There's no single reason for this as the information elements are different. In some cases message size provides the limit on the maximum number e.g. number of transactions, other time the size is alluded to via comments in the ASN.1 e.g. number of descriptors in a command. In other cases sequence of zero is used to indicate choose or optionality. If we look for historical reasons i'd say a primary driver was the flexibility of H.248. People saw use cases for H.248 to control IP phones others were talking about large trunking gateways. Each would have their own restrictions on size. This is why some bodies have used profiles as a means of indirectly affecting the maximum sequence size. e.g. limiting the number of commands per message. Regards, Christian Tom-PT Taylor wrote: > Here's another one. > > Subject: > RE: ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco > From: > "Rambabu Gajula" > Date: > Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:09:37 +0530 > To: > "Rambabu Gajula" , > > Resending.... > > > > Thanks with regards, > Rambabu Gajula > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rambabu Gajula > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:23 PM > To: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: ASN.1 Notations used in Megaco > > > > Hello, > > > > In Megaco (H.248) ASN.1 Syntax Specifications, Many elements are > "Sequence of ". > > > > But there is no Minimum-Maximum numbers of times these elements can be > send/receive. > > > > This may cause a bit ambiguity some times at least in case of minimum > value is it zero or one. > > > > In case of the minimum value to zero (May be optional element). > > > > Can some one help me to understand the history behind this? (No minimum > and maximum value). > > > > Thanks in advance for your time. > > > > Thanks with Regards, > > Rambabu Gajula > > > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 00:11:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYaMc-0003gY-NM; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:11:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYaMa-0003gO-W1 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:11:20 -0400 Received: from omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.93.154]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYaMV-0004hS-Hy for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:11:20 -0400 Received: from oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com ([143.238.14.82]) by omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070403041113.MMIU10557.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:11:13 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [143.238.14.82]) by oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070403041112.XDRU28205.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:11:12 +0000 Message-ID: <4611D3DA.3050304@nteczone.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:11:06 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: megaco ietf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com from [143.238.14.82] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:11:05 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello all, For those interested, the results of the Q.3/16 H.248 Media Control Protocols sessions can be found at: http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/TD-13b.zip All the referenced documents can be found at: http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/ Regards, Christian _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 02:15:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYcI2-0000v9-Sz; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:14:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYcI1-0000v1-13 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:14:45 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYcHz-0006E0-I8 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:14:45 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l336EECM003844; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:14:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C2807E4430D@proton.jnpr.net> Subject: gm/1 clarifications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions To: "Reinaldo Penno" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:14:13 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/03/2007 08:14:14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Right, these semantics are neither explicitly defined in 1) the package (= gm/1), nor 2) the refered profile (ETSI_BGF/1). I do agree that an explicit description is required, preferably in Draft H.248.43 in my opinion. I think a clarification is required for "revertive behaviour" with regards to your two questions. Right? I'm a little be confused about your gate&filter notation: guess "filter" relates to saf & sam, and "gate" is the TerminationID (?) or "(source?) address/port" of the incoming interface (?) or sth else? -Albrecht "Reinaldo Penno" net> cc: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Subject: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions 26.03.2007 03:16 Hello Folks, I tried my best reading the specs but I still have some doubts about saf/sam in the context of the gate management protocol Let's suppose an ADD message installs the the following gate&filter [*, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. If a modify message is received with saf = ON and sam = 20.20.20/24 I understand that the gate filter will change to [20.20.20/24, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. If another modify message comes and turns saf = OFF, then the gate reverts back to what it was [*, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. Am I okay up to this point? Now, let's suppose the original ADD message installs a full specified gate [20.20.20.1, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. Then a modify message is received with saf = ON and sam = 20.20.20/24. My understanding is that sam will _override_ the current source IP in the gate filter and we will have [20.20.20/24, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060] as the filter. Another possible interpretation is that sam is a pre/post-filter, i.e., we match against sam and then againt original gate filter which remains in place. This is my first question. My second question is what happens is we receive a modify message with saf = OFF. Does the gate reverts to its original form [20.20.20.1, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]? Or does it reverts to [*, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060], i.e., source IP "any"? Thanks, Reinaldo _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 02:56:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYcwA-0007VX-WD; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:56:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYcw9-0007Uu-Gl for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYcw8-0005xh-1R for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l336u0xc015353; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:56:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <985924.70791.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. To: iAmANumber notAFreeMan X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:55:59 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/03/2007 08:56:00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org To the "numbered unfree man":-), just for information: you are talking about a different H.248 Profiles. Reinaldo: package gm/1 in "ETSI_BGF/1" profile You: package gm/1 in "ETSI_GateControl/1" profile You referred procedural clause is not relevant for the first profile. But in case that the gm/1 syntax or semantic should be enhance, then I'd like that you submitt a correspondent change proposal against draft H.248.43 (note: this Recommendation contains draft gm/2 and the TISPAN-to-ITU transferred gm/1 packages). -Albrecht iAmANumber notAFreeMan To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. 26.03.2007 14:07 On the subject of gm/sam, I noticed that a recent poster who was asking a gm/sam related question used the 20.20.20.20/24 syntax when referring to a gm/sam value. ETSI TS 102 333 V1.1.2 (2004-2007) Annex B.2 describes property id (sam) as "Encoded as a DomainAddress as defined in ... H.248..., annex B. "*" is used as a wildcard for digits" the ABNF is IPv4address = V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex and V4hex = 1*3(DIGIT) ; "0" ... "255" The same document in section 5.12.1 bullet 2, also says ".. in an IPv4 environment...,except that a number of trailing digits may be wildcarded". question 1: Is 20.20.20.20/24 a valid specification for gm/sam= ? what about 20.20.20.20/23 ? question 2: What should the "*" wildcarding result in if the following sam values are specified? a) 192.168.100.1* b) 192.168.100.11* question 3: is there any reason why the "native" H.248 ABNF syntax using the propertyParm/parmValue/alternativeValue token(s) could not be used for gm/sam (as I believe it is for gm/spr). If this was allowed then gm/sam=[192.168.100.1:192.168.100.19] or gm/sam=[192.168.100.110:192.168.100.119] could be used in a similar way to gm/spr=[1024:65535]. Thanks for any clarification, Phil Ilett. Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now..._______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 04:01:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYdxf-0003Q3-Up; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:01:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYdxd-0003PP-M7 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:01:49 -0400 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYdxZ-00086n-O0 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:01:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 5802 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2007 08:01:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NEUgdxG2kUWPYshP0cZr88It/0WVA+E7mkEcCw5v225aR0GWAIUnRNNKDTe0aDtzS+7H3fNks8SoKLpaQ6dTBf2hYTBLo+h0aTXynYbT56SErUVoE3ToTnWGNgUWV9igWnfxMqbq/s5zlCHmkKKWDP8gt2FRL4g7KZ61N2eB7u4=; X-YMail-OSG: 4tynsccVM1l6DQBlpeTbrx1jV9_CULm6GzK5G3u_xId53PZpzv6c3euQKGI8o8e2C8vVodjUNScMKA1li7DfJN9Y9QCIGlnjFYN4tFK.FlV9urTm54q.82xZ8_l3DuriLWi7C_gQM8Gk7RVNBXTU3Ggb Received: from [217.45.197.113] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:01:45 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/476 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.8 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:01:45 +0000 (GMT) From: iAmANumber notAFreeMan Subject: Re: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. To: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <189675.4404.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1676547e4f33b5e63227e9c02bd359e3 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0748571359==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============0748571359== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-566556015-1175587305=:4404" --0-566556015-1175587305=:4404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Thanks for your response Albrecht, can you supply a pointer to the H.248.43 (draft) so I can take a look at the (new?) gm package? I can't seem to find H.248.43 on the ITU web site. While I think I understand that ETSI TS 102 333 defines the ETSI_GateControl profile (and provides a definition of the gm/1 package in annex B, I am actually using ETSI ES 283 018 as my reference, which defines the ETSI_BGF profile and states in section 5.14 table 67 that Gate Management package gm/1 is a mandatory package. I was not aware that the gm/1 package referred to by the 2 different profiles are themselves different. Thanks for your help, Phil Ilett. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de" To: iAmANumber notAFreeMan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, 3 April, 2007 7:55:59 AM Subject: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. To the "numbered unfree man":-), just for information: you are talking about a different H.248 Profiles. Reinaldo: package gm/1 in "ETSI_BGF/1" profile You: package gm/1 in "ETSI_GateControl/1" profile You referred procedural clause is not relevant for the first profile. But in case that the gm/1 syntax or semantic should be enhance, then I'd like that you submitt a correspondent change proposal against draft H.248.43 (note: this Recommendation contains draft gm/2 and the TISPAN-to-ITU transferred gm/1 packages). -Albrecht iAmANumber notAFreeMan To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. 26.03.2007 14:07 On the subject of gm/sam, I noticed that a recent poster who was asking a gm/sam related question used the 20.20.20.20/24 syntax when referring to a gm/sam value. ETSI TS 102 333 V1.1.2 (2004-2007) Annex B.2 describes property id (sam) as "Encoded as a DomainAddress as defined in ... H.248..., annex B. "*" is used as a wildcard for digits" the ABNF is IPv4address = V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex and V4hex = 1*3(DIGIT) ; "0" ... "255" The same document in section 5.12.1 bullet 2, also says ".. in an IPv4 environment...,except that a number of trailing digits may be wildcarded". question 1: Is 20.20.20.20/24 a valid specification for gm/sam= ? what about 20.20.20.20/23 ? question 2: What should the "*" wildcarding result in if the following sam values are specified? a) 192.168.100.1* b) 192.168.100.11* question 3: is there any reason why the "native" H.248 ABNF syntax using the propertyParm/parmValue/alternativeValue token(s) could not be used for gm/sam (as I believe it is for gm/spr). If this was allowed then gm/sam=[192.168.100.1:192.168.100.19] or gm/sam=[192.168.100.110:192.168.100.119] could be used in a similar way to gm/spr=[1024:65535]. Thanks for any clarification, Phil Ilett. Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. 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Thanks for your response Albrecht, can you supply a pointer to the H.248.43 (draft) so I can take a look at the (new?) gm package? I can't seem to find H.248.43 on the ITU web site.
 
While I think I understand that ETSI TS 102 333 defines the ETSI_GateControl profile (and provides a definition of the gm/1 package in annex B, I am actually using ETSI ES 283 018 as my reference, which defines the ETSI_BGF profile and states in section 5.14 table 67 that Gate Management package gm/1 is a mandatory package. I was not aware that the gm/1 package referred to by the 2 different profiles are themselves different.    

Thanks for your help,
Phil Ilett.
 
----- Original Message ----
From: "Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de" <Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de>
To: iAmANumber notAFreeMan <philfillflip@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: megaco@ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April, 2007 7:55:59 AM
Subject: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification.

To the "numbered unfree man":-),

just for information:
you are talking about a different H.248 Profiles.

Reinaldo:   package gm/1 in "ETSI_BGF/1" profile
You:        package gm/1 in "ETSI_GateControl/1" profile

You referred procedural clause is not relevant for the first profile.

But in case that the gm/1 syntax or semantic should be enhance, then I'd
like that you submitt a correspondent change proposal against draft
H.248.43 (note: this Recommendation contains draft gm/2 and the
TISPAN-to-ITU transferred gm/1 packages).

-Albrecht



                                                                                                                                        
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On the subject of gm/sam, I noticed that a recent poster who was asking a
gm/sam related question used the 20.20.20.20/24 syntax when referring to a
gm/sam value.

ETSI TS 102 333 V1.1.2 (2004-2007) Annex B.2 describes property id (sam) as
"Encoded as a DomainAddress as defined in ... H.248..., annex B. "*" is
used as a wildcard for digits"

the ABNF is
   IPv4address = V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex
and
  V4hex = 1*3(DIGIT) ; "0" ... "255"

The same document in section 5.12.1 bullet 2,  also says ".. in an IPv4
environment...,except that a number of trailing digits may be wildcarded".

question 1: Is 20.20.20.20/24 a valid specification for gm/sam= ? what
about 20.20.20.20/23 ?

question 2: What should the "*" wildcarding result in if the following sam
values are specified?
       a) 192.168.100.1*
       b) 192.168.100.11*

question 3: is there any reason why the "native" H.248 ABNF syntax using
the propertyParm/parmValue/alternativeValue token(s) could not be used for
gm/sam (as I believe it is for gm/spr). If this was allowed then
gm/sam=[192.168.100.1:192.168.100.19] or
gm/sam=[192.168.100.110:192.168.100.119] could be used in a similar way to
gm/spr=[1024:65535].

Thanks for any clarification,
Phil Ilett.

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([207.17.137.119]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYm25-0003s3-QH for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:39:00 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO proton.jnpr.net) ([10.10.2.37]) by borg.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2007 09:38:52 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,366,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="701796104:sNHT40525792" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: gm/1 clarifications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B7AB@proton.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: gm/1 clarifications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions Thread-Index: Acd1t2qSYqiAOIPrSgiTJKP1CD6r3QAVuIfg From: "Reinaldo Penno" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Albrecht, Inline...=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de=20 > [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de]=20 > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:14 PM > To: Reinaldo Penno > Cc: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: gm/1 clarifications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate=20 > management protocol questions >=20 > Right, > these semantics are neither explicitly defined in > 1) the package (=3D gm/1), nor > 2) the refered profile (ETSI_BGF/1). >=20 > I do agree that an explicit description is required,=20 > preferably in Draft > H.248.43 in my opinion. > I think a clarification is required for "revertive behaviour"=20 > with regards to your two questions. Right? Yes. >=20 > I'm a little be confused about your gate&filter notation:=20 > guess "filter" Filter means the 5-tuple associated with the gate. That includes saf/sam that could (nor not) being specified in the ADD/MODIFY messages. > relates to saf & sam, and "gate" is the TerminationID (?) or=20 > "(source?) address/port" of the incoming interface (?) or sth else? >=20 > -Albrecht >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > "Reinaldo Penno" =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > net> cc: =20 > Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de =20 > =20 > Subject:=20 > [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions =20 > =20 > 26.03.2007 03:16 =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hello Folks, >=20 > I tried my best reading the specs but I still have some=20 > doubts about saf/sam in the context of the gate management protocol >=20 > Let's suppose an ADD message installs the the following=20 > gate&filter [*, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. >=20 > If a modify message is received with saf =3D ON and sam =3D=20 > 20.20.20/24 I understand that the gate filter will change to=20 > [20.20.20/24, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. >=20 > If another modify message comes and turns saf =3D OFF, then the=20 > gate reverts back to what it was [*, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1,=20 > 5060]. Am I okay up to this point? >=20 > Now, let's suppose the original ADD message installs a full=20 > specified gate [20.20.20.1, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060].=20 > Then a modify message is received with saf =3D ON and sam =3D = 20.20.20/24. >=20 > My understanding is that sam will _override_ the current=20 > source IP in the gate filter and we will have [20.20.20/24,=20 > 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060] as the filter. Another possible=20 > interpretation is that sam is a pre/post-filter, i.e., we=20 > match against sam and then againt original gate filter which=20 > remains in place. This is my first question. >=20 > My second question is what happens is we receive a modify=20 > message with saf =3D OFF. Does the gate reverts to its original=20 > form [20.20.20.1, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]? Or does it=20 > reverts to [*, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060], i.e., source IP "any"? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Reinaldo >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 12:39:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYm2r-00052D-JQ; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:39:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYm2q-0004zR-Bg for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:39:44 -0400 Received: from kremlin.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYm2o-0004Ld-2D for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:39:44 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO proton.jnpr.net) ([10.10.2.37]) by kremlin.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2007 09:39:40 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,366,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="680972353:sNHT2631058960" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B7AC@proton.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <4611D3DA.3050304@nteczone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results Thread-Index: Acd1pjCJIyhN1Ag3SqCMwYf4ZebMjgAaGVuA From: "Reinaldo Penno" To: "Christian Groves" , "megaco ietf" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I was interested on the "IP router" package but I could not see any reference to it. Does it have another name by now?=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:11 PM > To: megaco ietf > Subject: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > For those interested, the results of the Q.3/16 H.248 Media=20 > Control Protocols sessions can be found at: > http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/TD-13b.zip >=20 > All the referenced documents can be found at: > http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/ >=20 > Regards, Christian >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >=20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 19:41:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYscC-0000mw-F1; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:40:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYscA-0000mo-S6 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:40:38 -0400 Received: from omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.82.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsbs-0002c2-UG for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:40:38 -0400 Received: from oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com ([203.51.185.254]) by omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070403234013.YWIP19666.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com>; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:40:13 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [203.51.185.254]) by oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070403234013.TAQJ23614.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:40:13 +0000 Message-ID: <4612E5D6.1090405@nteczone.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:40:06 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reinaldo Penno Subject: Re: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results References: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B7AC@proton.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B7AC@proton.jnpr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com from [203.51.185.254] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:40:06 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: megaco ietf X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Reinaldo, I'm not aware of the "IP router" package. Are you referring to the gate management packages with that introduces packet filtering in H.248.43? Regards, Christian Reinaldo Penno wrote: > I was interested on the "IP router" package but I could not see any > reference to it. Does it have another name by now? > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:11 PM >> To: megaco ietf >> Subject: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results >> >> Hello all, >> >> For those interested, the results of the Q.3/16 H.248 Media >> Control Protocols sessions can be found at: >> http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/TD-13b.zip >> >> All the referenced documents can be found at: >> http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/ >> >> Regards, Christian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Megaco mailing list >> Megaco@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From quotWow@optima-connections.com Tue Apr 03 19:45:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsgq-0004SH-OD for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:45:28 -0400 Received: from host223-198-static.123-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it ([81.123.198.223]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsgk-0005jA-Ih for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c7764a$28d391c0$dfc67b51@PRESIDE> From: "Viernes emitidas" To: megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Nota Brotto Frank Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 01:45:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7765A.EC5C61C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7765A.EC5C61C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C7765A.EC5C61C0" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C7765A.EC5C61C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok quotbtw confirm letting space, rohin outs excuses? 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19:47:03 -0400 Received: from kremlin.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsiE-0006Si-NE for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:47:03 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO proton.jnpr.net) ([10.10.2.37]) by kremlin.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2007 16:46:26 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,366,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="681117217:sNHT77728489634" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B99A@proton.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <4612E5D6.1090405@nteczone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results Thread-Index: Acd2SXdhe9GAxjU+TSivQX7XhDbUugAALL0A From: "Reinaldo Penno" To: "Christian Groves" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Cc: megaco ietf X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I have been discussing this with Albrecht for some time now... The thread has the title.. " -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de]=20 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:14 AM To: Reinaldo Penno Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: H.248 IP Router Package; Re: [Megaco] Question on Interface Routing ... Reinaldo,"=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:40 PM > To: Reinaldo Penno > Cc: megaco ietf > Subject: Re: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results >=20 > Hello Reinaldo, >=20 > I'm not aware of the "IP router" package. Are you referring=20 > to the gate management packages with that introduces packet=20 > filtering in H.248.43? >=20 > Regards, Christian >=20 > Reinaldo Penno wrote: > > I was interested on the "IP router" package but I could not see any=20 > > reference to it. Does it have another name by now? > > > > =20 > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] > >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:11 PM > >> To: megaco ietf > >> Subject: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> For those interested, the results of the Q.3/16 H.248=20 > Media Control=20 > >> Protocols sessions can be found at: > >> http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/TD-13b.zip > >> > >> All the referenced documents can be found at: > >> http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/ > >> > >> Regards, Christian > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Megaco mailing list > >> Megaco@ietf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > >> > >> =20 > > > > > > > > > > =20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 03 21:05:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYtvz-0002ol-OX; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:05:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYtvz-0002oX-1O for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:05:11 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYtvx-0003Nq-HX for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:05:11 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l34157La027538; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 03:05:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B99A@proton.jnpr.net> Subject: IP router package; RE: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results To: "Reinaldo Penno" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 03:05:06 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/04/2007 03:05:07 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Cc: megaco ietf , Christian Groves X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I did not yet submit my proposal of an "IP router package". Perhaps at one of the next meetings. Concerning the relation to H.248.43, - such a package is rather orthogonal ("back-to-back IP hosts" versus "IP router"). -Albrecht PS The "H.248 Game Console Control Package" is still ffs:-) "Reinaldo Penno" net> cc: megaco ietf Subject: RE: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results 04.04.2007 01:46 I have been discussing this with Albrecht for some time now... The thread has the title.. " -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:14 AM To: Reinaldo Penno Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: H.248 IP Router Package; Re: [Megaco] Question on Interface Routing ... Reinaldo," > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:40 PM > To: Reinaldo Penno > Cc: megaco ietf > Subject: Re: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results > > Hello Reinaldo, > > I'm not aware of the "IP router" package. Are you referring > to the gate management packages with that introduces packet > filtering in H.248.43? > > Regards, Christian > > Reinaldo Penno wrote: > > I was interested on the "IP router" package but I could not see any > > reference to it. Does it have another name by now? > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] > >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:11 PM > >> To: megaco ietf > >> Subject: [Megaco] March ITU SG16 Q.3/16 Results > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> For those interested, the results of the Q.3/16 H.248 > Media Control > >> Protocols sessions can be found at: > >> http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/TD-13b.zip > >> > >> All the referenced documents can be found at: > >> http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/ > >> > >> Regards, Christian > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Megaco mailing list > >> Megaco@ietf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From enorriseoqz@campbellwilson.com Tue Apr 03 21:10:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYu0u-0000Ho-NV for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:10:16 -0400 Received: from p5b075dc4.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.7.93.196]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYu0r-0004AO-Ij for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c77656$0433b0f0$8000a8c0@p5B075DC4.dip.t-dialin.net> Reply-To: "Marvel" From: "Marvel" To: "Taylor" Subject: Re: Just listen to u heart Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:10:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77656.0433B0F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 913ee11e7c554f7d4da75d500826397e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77656.0433B0F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77656.0433B0F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77656.0433B0F0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org To: enorriseoqz@campbellwilson.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Just listen to u heart i'm proper glad to hear it. now come right down and have your dinner. i = kepis the last week of the month, and reports are given out next friday," = saiddorothy's was to be married in the autumn.new master, though he was freakish and = wild. every day, when he gave his lessonsof old age, that laurie gave her = a glance of filial respect and love as he replied, it back, coloring so deeply that the child observed it, and exclaimed, = with had a lively time in my seminary this morning, for the children actedday = declareyou go, ben=3F" asked miss celia, hoping to distract his mind from = his grief by"it's 'only mac,' so don't mind," flower, that looked like a pale solitary maiden, beside the great crimson = andreligion, politics, and the various questions in which all should be = interested,ring quite true. despite the grace of the attitude, she would = have liked him and the stove was red-hot. hannah had left a pan of bread to rise, meg = had worked and the stove was red-hot. hannah had left a pan of bread to rise, meg = had workedthe old house stretched its wide wings hospitably toward him, = and with a blessed"why should yousitting patient in the shadow away they drove in state, and all the way uncle alec'swill pass, and by = and by you will go to your missionary work among"you'd yesterday. the memory of the happy moment when she gave the rose with with this awful and mysteriousmerriment he could not suppress.helped her = to fill up again, and discussed reptiles most learnedlylecture to heart. = there was a twinkle in his eye, however, as he kindly i do expect and desire that you will not torment the suspected = persongallant old gentleman kissed his own face.what he might have "yes, indeed," answered the little woman. on with less than twelve or fourteen children in her interesting = tales,"who did=3F"and milk.the only end and aim of a woman's life was a = good match, she was a her heart upon it, and the young folks had acted it so often in theirto = sunny montreux, with the alps of savoy on one side, mont st. bernardas he = waited for his phebe. not from the anteroom, but out among the effectually break up the family council. and spend the day at the big house. it was pleasant, for in dull = weatheroff, quacking and braying derisively. have not had a lesson since you came, i suspect."hour ago; may be they = were blowing for us," said rob, trudging after hisand then they trooped = up to bed. be, and i rushed into a dark place behind the organ, feeling ready to kill "don't you like it, polly=3F" whispered tom,"ifand true! i knew you would = not fail me. now go, manuel. tomorrow do your ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77656.0433B0F0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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i'm proper glad to hear it. now come = right down and have your dinner. i kepis the last week of the month, and = reports are given out next friday," saiddorothy's
was to be married in the autumn.new master, though he was freakish and = wild. every day, when he gave his lessonsof old age, that laurie gave her = a glance of filial respect and love as he replied,
it back, coloring so deeply that the child observed it, and exclaimed, = with

had a lively time in my seminary this morning, for the children = actedday declareyou go, ben=3F" asked miss celia, hoping to distract his = mind from his grief by"it's 'only mac,' so don't mind,"
flower, that looked like a pale solitary maiden, beside the great crimson = andreligion, politics, and the various questions in which all should be = interested,ring quite true. despite the grace of the attitude, she would = have liked him
and the stove was red-hot. hannah had left a pan of bread to rise, meg = had worked

and the stove was red-hot. hannah had left a pan of bread to rise, = meg had workedthe old house stretched its wide wings hospitably toward = him, and with a blessed"why should yousitting patient in the shadow
away they drove in state, and all the way uncle alec'swill pass, and by = and by you will go to your missionary work among"you'd
yesterday. the memory of the happy moment when she gave the rose with

with this awful and mysteriousmerriment he could not suppress.helped = her to fill up again, and discussed reptiles most learnedlylecture to = heart. there was a twinkle in his eye, however, as he kindly
i do expect and desire that you will not torment the suspected = persongallant old gentleman kissed his own face.what he might have
"yes, indeed," answered the little woman.
on with less than twelve or fourteen children in her interesting = tales,"who did=3F"and milk.the only end and aim of a woman's life was a = good match, she was a
her heart upon it, and the young folks had acted it so often in theirto = sunny montreux, with the alps of savoy on one side, mont st. bernardas he = waited for his phebe. not from the anteroom, but out among the
effectually break up the family council. and spend the day at the big house. it was pleasant, for in dull = weatheroff, quacking and braying derisively. have not had a lesson since you came, i suspect."
hour ago; may be = they were blowing for us," said rob, trudging after hisand then they = trooped up to bed. be, and i rushed into a dark place behind the organ, feeling ready to = kill
"don't you like it, polly=3F" whispered tom,"ifand true! i knew you would = not fail me. now go, manuel. tomorrow do your
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Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:13:11 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l349CvNm017720; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:12:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <189675.4404.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Draft gm/2; Re: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. To: iAmANumber notAFreeMan X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:12:55 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/04/2007 11:12:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68ba2b07ef271dba6ee42a93832cfa4c Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Phil: See Draft H.248.43: http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/2005-2008/0703_She/TD-50.zip Guess you got already the URLs with Christian's email. -Albrecht PS Right, ETSI ES 283 018 should be your reference ... iAmANumber notAFreeMan To: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Subject: Re: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. 03.04.2007 10:01 Thanks for your response Albrecht, can you supply a pointer to the H.248.43 (draft) so I can take a look at the (new?) gm package? I can't seem to find H.248.43 on the ITU web site. While I think I understand that ETSI TS 102 333 defines the ETSI_GateControl profile (and provides a definition of the gm/1 package in annex B, I am actually using ETSI ES 283 018 as my reference, which defines the ETSI_BGF profile and states in section 5.14 table 67 that Gate Management package gm/1 is a mandatory package. I was not aware that the gm/1 package referred to by the 2 different profiles are themselves different. Thanks for your help, Phil Ilett. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de" To: iAmANumber notAFreeMan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, 3 April, 2007 7:55:59 AM Subject: gm/1 in different H.248 Profiles; Re: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. To the "numbered unfree man":-), just for information: you are talking about a different H.248 Profiles. Reinaldo: package gm/1 in "ETSI_BGF/1" profile You: package gm/1 in "ETSI_GateControl/1" profile You referred procedural clause is not relevant for the first profile. But in case that the gm/1 syntax or semantic should be enhance, then I'd like that you submitt a correspondent change proposal against draft H.248.43 (note: this Recommendation contains draft gm/2 and the TISPAN-to-ITU transferred gm/1 packages). -Albrecht &nbs p; iAmANumber notAFreeMan To: megaco@ietf.org & nbsp; Subject: [Megaco] gm/sam syntax clarification. 26.03.2007 14:07 On the subject of gm/sam, I noticed that a recent poster who was asking a gm/sam related question used the 20.20.20.20/24 syntax when referring to a gm/sam value. ETSI TS 102 333 V1.1.2 (2004-2007) Annex B.2 describes property id (sam) as "Encoded as a DomainAddress as defined in ... H.248..., annex B. "*" is used as a wildcard for digits" the ABNF is IPv4address = V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex DOT V4hex and V4hex = 1*3(DIGIT) ; "0" ... "255" The same document in section 5.12.1 bullet 2, also says ".. in an IPv4 environment...,except that a number of trailing digits may be wildcarded". question 1: Is 20.20.20.20/24 a valid specification for gm/sam= ? what about 20.20.20.20/23 ? question 2: What should the "*" wildcarding result in if the following sam values are specified? a) 192.168.100.1* b) 192.168.100.11* question 3: is there any reason why the "native" H.248 ABNF syntax using the propertyParm/parmValue/alternativeValue token(s) could not be used for gm/sam (as I believe it is for gm/spr). If this was allowed then gm/sam=[192.168.100.1:192.168.100.19] or gm/sam=[192.168.100.110:192.168.100.119] could be used in a similar way to gm/spr=[1024:65535]. Thanks for any clarification, Phil Ilett. Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. 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Do it now..._______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 04 05:26:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ1kX-0001kj-59; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:25:53 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ1kV-0001i4-LZ for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:25:51 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ1kT-00068B-0r for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:25:51 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l349Pfad023135; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:25:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C280812B7AB@proton.jnpr.net> Subject: Gate; RE: gm/1 clarifications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions To: "Reinaldo Penno" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:25:39 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/04/2007 11:25:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9af087f15dbdd4c64ae6bbcdbc5b1d44 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org OK, we got the same understanding about "filter", but you still did not= indicate your "gate" understanding. The reason I'm asking is the fact, that there might be two "gate" conce= pts around. gm/1 is not really explicit about the underlying "gate" definit= ion, that's why ES 283 018 did illustrate the supposed gate concept in Annex= A (A.2 Relationships between gates and H.248 Streams). This gate concept involves "two IP H.248 Terminations" and "gates" unidirectional traffic flows. Another meaningful concept could be related to a single Termination onl= y. BTW: the ES 283 002 gate concept is identical to the H.248.37 pinhole &= gate definition: 3.3 pinhole: A configuration of two associated H.248 IP Terminations within the same context, which allows/prohibits unidirectional forwarding of IP packets under specified conditions (e.g., address tuple). NOTE ? A pinhole may also be referred to as a "gate". I think it is not worth to spent too much time on gate definitions, I j= ust wanted to know what you are exactly mean with "gate" in your original e= mail (it's a 2- or 3-tuple (?), but which relation to Stream/Termination & direction?). -Albrecht = =20 "Reinaldo Penno" = =20 =20 net> cc: megaco@ietf.org= =20 Subject: RE: gm/1 clarif= ications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol =20 03.04.2007 18:38 questions = =20 = =20 Hello Albrecht, Inline... > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de > [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:14 PM > To: Reinaldo Penno > Cc: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: gm/1 clarifications; Re: [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate > management protocol questions > > Right, > these semantics are neither explicitly defined in > 1) the package (=3D gm/1), nor > 2) the refered profile (ETSI_BGF/1). > > I do agree that an explicit description is required, > preferably in Draft > H.248.43 in my opinion. > I think a clarification is required for "revertive behaviour" > with regards to your two questions. Right? Yes. > > I'm a little be confused about your gate&filter notation: > guess "filter" Filter means the 5-tuple associated with the gate. That includes saf/sa= m that could (nor not) being specified in the ADD/MODIFY messages. > relates to saf & sam, and "gate" is the TerminationID (?) or > "(source?) address/port" of the incoming interface (?) or sth else? > > -Albrecht > > > > > > > "Reinaldo Penno" > > > > > net> cc: > Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de > > Subject: > [Megaco] Saf/sam & gate management protocol questions > > 26.03.2007 03:16 > > > > > > > > > > Hello Folks, > > I tried my best reading the specs but I still have some > doubts about saf/sam in the context of the gate management protocol > > Let's suppose an ADD message installs the the following > gate&filter [*, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. > > If a modify message is received with saf =3D ON and sam =3D > 20.20.20/24 I understand that the gate filter will change to > [20.20.20/24, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. > > If another modify message comes and turns saf =3D OFF, then the > gate reverts back to what it was [*, *, UDP, 10.10.10.1, > 5060]. Am I okay up to this point? > > Now, let's suppose the original ADD message installs a full > specified gate [20.20.20.1, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]. > Then a modify message is received with saf =3D ON and sam =3D 20.20.2= 0/24. > > My understanding is that sam will _override_ the current > source IP in the gate filter and we will have [20.20.20/24, > 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060] as the filter. Another possible > interpretation is that sam is a pre/post-filter, i.e., we > match against sam and then againt original gate filter which > remains in place. This is my first question. > > My second question is what happens is we receive a modify > message with saf =3D OFF. Does the gate reverts to its original > form [20.20.20.1, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060]? Or does it > reverts to [*, 10000, UDP, 10.10.10.1, 5060], i.e., source IP "any"? > > Thanks, > > Reinaldo > > > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco = _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 04 05:32:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ1r2-0005hs-RC; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:32:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ1r1-0005hk-DZ for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:32:35 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ1qr-0005y0-5D for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:32:35 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9D07C21636; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:32:22 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b01efbb0000061ca-78-461370a6aeca Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 7735D2161C; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw118.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.77]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:32:22 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media gateway.. Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:32:21 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22F058C3ED9D784E90CE473F2A9847F0012ABD21@in-exchange> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media gateway.. Thread-Index: Acd1DDUUhPQwfe1zTZONiH0YfcGh1ABiwpMg From: "Stephen Mell \(CV/ETL\)" To: "Arvind Charanyan" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 09:32:22.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[25B93920:01C7769C] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 913ee11e7c554f7d4da75d500826397e Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0527226275==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0527226275== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7769C.2568EC4E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7769C.2568EC4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue (1) =20 You can't send commands from the MG such as notify without having a Control Association in place. =20 An example of a time that you may find yourself wanting to do this is when you have a non-empty default events descriptor provisioned on a termination, and this events descriptor is applied when the Terminations restart at a Cold Boot. =20 In this case I think that you should only apply the termination descriptors and property defaults at the time when Control Association Establishment completes, so that the termination is discarding events whilst the ServiceChange is in progress.=20 =20 If the Control Association stalls, or is explicitly taken away by Management Action then the MG should wait until it is fully re-established or a new one established (Service Change is Completed) before issuing any other commands. =20 =20 Issue (2)=20 =20 You should not to transmit Notify Requests whilst the Control Association is incomplete, as this is illegal =20 Steve=20 ________________________________ From: Arvind Charanyan [mailto:arvind.charanyan@ccpu.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:49 To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media gateway.. Hi All: =20 I need some clarifications on issues which are described below: =20 Issue 1: 1) Media gateway initiates service change request, and waiting for a response. 2) When Notify events occur in this period how should we handle them? Should we send out the notify requests to the MGC to which we have initiated the SVC? Or queue them until the control association is established? =20 Issue 2: =20 If we decide to transmit notify requests while waiting for service change response, then how do we handle Notify response timeouts? Moreover, when we fail to establish Control association to the Primary MGC and failover to the secondary, what should be done to the Notify requests that were being transmitted to the primary? Should we abort all those transactions or should the same be retried on the secondary? =20 =20 Thanks and Regards, Arvind =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7769C.2568EC4E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Issue=20 (1)
 
You can't send commands from the MG = such as=20 notify without having a Control Association in=20 place.
 
An example of a time that you may find = yourself wanting=20 to do this is when you have a non-empty default events=20 descriptor
provisioned on a termination, and this events = descriptor is applied when the Terminations restart at a Cold=20 Boot.
 
In this case I think that you should = only apply=20 the termination descriptors and property defaults at the time when = Control=20 Association
Establishment completes, so that the = termination is=20 discarding events whilst the ServiceChange is in progress.=20
 
If the Control Association stalls, or is = explicitly=20 taken away by Management Action then the MG should wait until = it is=20 fully re-established
or a new one established  (Service = Change is=20 Completed) before issuing any other = commands.
 
 
Issue (2)
 
You should not to transmit Notify = Requests whilst=20 the Control Association is incomplete, as this is=20 illegal
 
Steve

From: Arvind Charanyan=20 [mailto:arvind.charanyan@ccpu.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, = 2007=20 10:49
To: megaco@ietf.org
Subject: [Megaco] Need=20 clarifications on SVC's initiated from media = gateway..

Hi = All:

 

  I need some = clarifications on=20 issues which are described below:

 

Issue=20 1:

1)      =20 Media gateway initiates = service=20 change request, and waiting for a response.

2)      =20 When Notify events occur = in this=20 period how should we handle them?

     =20 Should we send out the notify requests to the MGC to which we have = initiated the=20 SVC? Or queue them until the control association is=20 established?

 

Issue=20 2:

 

  If we decide to = transmit=20 notify requests while waiting for service change response, then how do = we handle=20 Notify response timeouts?

  Moreover, when we = fail to=20 establish Control association to the Primary MGC and failover to the = secondary,=20 what should be done to the

  Notify requests = that were=20 being transmitted to the primary? Should we abort all those transactions = or=20 should the same be retried on the = secondary?

 

 

Thanks and=20 Regards,

Arvind =20

 

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megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 04 18:55:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZENC-0005ds-Lk; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:54:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZENB-0005bD-LK for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:54:37 -0400 Received: from omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.92.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZEN7-00028a-5C for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:54:37 -0400 Received: from oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com ([58.166.11.60]) by omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070404225427.BELK14178.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com>; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:54:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [58.166.11.60]) by oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070404225426.IKRM26413.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:54:26 +0000 Message-ID: <46142C8C.6020705@nteczone.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:54:04 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arvind Charanyan Subject: Re: [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media gateway.. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com from [58.166.11.60] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:54:18 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Arvind, There's even a specific error for this. E.g. H.248.8 4.2.44 Error code #: 505 Name: Transaction Request Received before a ServiceChange Reply has been received Definition: Sent by the MG/MGC which has sent a ServiceChange request to an MGC/MG and receives a transaction request from that MGC/MG before it has received the corresponding ServiceChange reply. The actions included in the transaction request are not carried out. Reference: 11.2/H.248.1 Error text in the error descriptor: – Comment: – Regards, Christian Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote: > Issue (1) > You can't send commands from the MG such as notify without having a > Control Association in place. > An example of a time that you may find yourself wanting to do this is > when you have a non-empty default events descriptor > provisioned on a termination, and this events descriptor is applied > when the Terminations restart at a Cold Boot. > In this case I think that you should only apply the termination > descriptors and property defaults at the time when Control Association > Establishment completes, so that the termination is discarding events > whilst the ServiceChange is in progress. > If the Control Association stalls, or is explicitly taken away by > Management Action then the MG should wait until it is fully re-established > or a new one established (Service Change is Completed) before issuing > any other commands. > Issue (2) > You should not to transmit Notify Requests whilst the Control > Association is incomplete, as this is illegal > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Arvind Charanyan [mailto:arvind.charanyan@ccpu.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2007 10:49 > *To:* megaco@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media > gateway.. > > Hi All: > > I need some clarifications on issues which are described below: > > Issue 1: > > 1) Media gateway initiates service change request, and waiting for a > response. > > 2) When Notify events occur in this period how should we handle them? > > Should we send out the notify requests to the MGC to which we have > initiated the SVC? Or queue them until the control association is > established? > > Issue 2: > > If we decide to transmit notify requests while waiting for service > change response, then how do we handle Notify response timeouts? > > Moreover, when we fail to establish Control association to the Primary > MGC and failover to the secondary, what should be done to the > > Notify requests that were being transmitted to the primary? Should we > abort all those transactions or should the same be retried on the > secondary? > > Thanks and Regards, > > Arvind > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 05 02:52:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZLot-0001Bc-UZ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:51:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZLos-0001BU-Lg for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:51:42 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZLor-0001x5-QE for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:51:42 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so864170ugd for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:51:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DaPRHGs04y2BaPdZ2QTEs/xEIzB2ie+rp3fytnKlcZ92haAqdw8QuSG+VB5k2yDAITLGx2DlxhicWYLVGMh6x4+9IvWpPT6RnSLVqPTRIMT02bvt+pOKIEzdpck5yONp773/SxHLTIOia34gEVpBFcHhE2uO6oQnEBRcq5OoAT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=huchp+kPFUgj8j3BGOKIzDRKlUU+TkRCe+lNLJjDNWpKAWF2qMAakW5rSMuMhqKIUmqWFKQauzpGsLWJhqO+v5856dhTZghO5Q9a3ssEWJeS1Gkp3tk/oEI8fHcQrEZBwzdXPvyVmiIIxT1uV4pttOOZCw0xw3nDFbjrOdQVtEc= Received: by 10.78.118.5 with SMTP id q5mr260405huc.1175755898910; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.19.6 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:21:38 +0530 From: "Prathap T" To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media gateway.. In-Reply-To: <46142C8C.6020705@nteczone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46142C8C.6020705@nteczone.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 17e5edc4dfd335965c1d21372171c01c X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0473643798==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============0473643798== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29646_32153372.1175755898846" ------=_Part_29646_32153372.1175755898846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Does the protocol stop from sending requests once the SVC request is sent out. I'm talking of the scenario, where in we send SVC request and waiting for response. In the mean time I also send the notify message assuming that I will receive SVC response an= d this notify reaches the peer only after the peer has processed the SVC request. So, in this kind of a scenarion where in I'm assured of registration, I think it's ok to send the commands while waiting for the SVC response. However, I want to know if the protocol anywhere restricts from initiating commands before the registration is completed?? Regards, Prathap On 4/5/07, Christian Groves wrote: > > Hello Arvind, > > There's even a specific error for this. E.g. H.248.8 > 4.2.44 Error code #: 505 > Name: Transaction Request Received before a ServiceChange Reply has been > received > Definition: Sent by the MG/MGC which has sent a ServiceChange request to > an MGC/MG and > receives a transaction request from that MGC/MG before it has received > the corresponding > ServiceChange reply. The actions included in the transaction request are > not carried out. > Reference: 11.2/H.248.1 > Error text in the error descriptor: =96 > Comment: =96 > > Regards, Christian > > Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote: > > Issue (1) > > You can't send commands from the MG such as notify without having a > > Control Association in place. > > An example of a time that you may find yourself wanting to do this is > > when you have a non-empty default events descriptor > > provisioned on a termination, and this events descriptor is applied > > when the Terminations restart at a Cold Boot. > > In this case I think that you should only apply the termination > > descriptors and property defaults at the time when Control Association > > Establishment completes, so that the termination is discarding events > > whilst the ServiceChange is in progress. > > If the Control Association stalls, or is explicitly taken away by > > Management Action then the MG should wait until it is fully > re-established > > or a new one established (Service Change is Completed) before issuing > > any other commands. > > Issue (2) > > You should not to transmit Notify Requests whilst the Control > > Association is incomplete, as this is illegal > > Steve > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > *From:* Arvind Charanyan [mailto:arvind.charanyan@ccpu.com] > > *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2007 10:49 > > *To:* megaco@ietf.org > > *Subject:* [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from media > > gateway.. > > > > Hi All: > > > > I need some clarifications on issues which are described below: > > > > Issue 1: > > > > 1) Media gateway initiates service change request, and waiting for a > > response. > > > > 2) When Notify events occur in this period how should we handle them? > > > > Should we send out the notify requests to the MGC to which we have > > initiated the SVC? Or queue them until the control association is > > established? > > > > Issue 2: > > > > If we decide to transmit notify requests while waiting for service > > change response, then how do we handle Notify response timeouts? > > > > Moreover, when we fail to establish Control association to the Primary > > MGC and failover to the secondary, what should be done to the > > > > Notify requests that were being transmitted to the primary? Should we > > abort all those transactions or should the same be retried on the > > secondary? > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Arvind > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Megaco mailing list > > Megaco@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > ------=_Part_29646_32153372.1175755898846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Does the protocol stop from sending requests once the SVC request= is sent out.
I'm talking of the scenario, where in we send SVC request and wait= ing for response. In the mean time
I also send the notify message assuming that I will receive SVC respon= se and this notify reaches
the peer only after the peer has processed the SVC request.
 <= /div>
So, in this kind of a scenarion where in I'm assured of registrati= on, I think it's ok to send the commands while waiting for the SVC=  response.
 
However, I want to know if the protocol anywhere restricts from initia= ting commands before the registration is completed??
 
Regards,
Prathap

 
On 4/5/07, C= hristian Groves <Ch= ristian.Groves@nteczone.com> wrote:
Hello Arvind,

There's= even a specific error for this. E.g. H.248.8
4.2.44 Error code #: 505 Name: Transaction Request Received before a ServiceChange Reply has beenreceived
Definition: Sent by the MG/MGC which has sent a ServiceChange = request to
an MGC/MG and
receives a transaction request from that MGC= /MG before it has received
the corresponding
ServiceChange reply. The actions included in the t= ransaction request are
not carried out.
Reference: 11.2/H.248.1
Er= ror text in the error descriptor: =96
Comment: =96

Regards, Chris= tian

Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote:
> Issue (1)
> You can'= t send commands from the MG such as notify without having a
> Control= Association in place.
> An example of a time that you may find yours= elf wanting to do this is
> when you have a non-empty default events descriptor
> provis= ioned on a termination, and this events descriptor is applied
> when = the Terminations restart at a Cold Boot.
> In this case I think that = you should only apply the termination
> descriptors and property defaults at the time when Control Associa= tion
> Establishment completes, so that the termination is discarding= events
> whilst the ServiceChange is in progress.
> If the Con= trol Association stalls, or is explicitly taken away by
> Management Action then the MG should wait until it is fully re-est= ablished
> or a new one established (Service Change is Completed) bef= ore issuing
> any other commands.
> Issue (2)
> You shoul= d not to transmit Notify Requests whilst the Control
> Association is incomplete, as this is illegal
> Steve
>= ;
> -----------------------------------------------------------------= -------
> *From:* Arvind Charanyan [mailto: arvind.charanyan@ccpu.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2007 10:49=
> *To:* megaco@ietf.org
&g= t; *Subject:* [Megaco] Need clarifications on SVC's initiated from medi= a
> gateway..
>
> Hi All:
>
> I need some clar= ifications on issues which are described below:
>
> Issue 1:>
> 1) Media gateway initiates service change request, and waitin= g for a
> response.
>
> 2) When Notify events occur in this peri= od how should we handle them?
>
> Should we send out the notify= requests to the MGC to which we have
> initiated the SVC? Or queue t= hem until the control association is
> established?
>
> Issue 2:
>
> If we decide= to transmit notify requests while waiting for service
> change respo= nse, then how do we handle Notify response timeouts?
>
> Moreov= er, when we fail to establish Control association to the Primary
> MGC and failover to the secondary, what should be done to the
&= gt;
> Notify requests that were being transmitted to the primary? Sho= uld we
> abort all those transactions or should the same be retried o= n the
> secondary?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Arv= ind
>
> -------------------------------------------------------= -----------------
>
> _________________________________________= ______
> Megaco mailing list
> Meg= aco@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco
>

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Dear = Experts,

 

Could please help me. =

 

Thanks a lot for your = time.

 

Thanks with = regards,

Rambabu = Gajula

From: = Rambabu Gajula
Sent: Monday, April 02, = 2007 8:36 AM
To: Rambabu Gajula; megaco@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Transaction = Reply in case of multiple actions

 

Can some one clarify queries posted = in below e-mail.

 

Thanks a lot for your = time.

 

Thanks with regards,
Rambabu

 

 

 

 

From: = Rambabu Gajula
Sent: Saturday, March 31, = 2007 4:10 PM
To: megaco@ietf.org
Subject: Transaction = Reply in case of multiple actions

 

Hello,

 

Could please let me know, =

 

If the transactions have more than one action = with:

 

Transaction T1 has

 

Action A1:

1)       = Context = ID

2)       = Topology Properties

3)       = Optional Commands

4)       = Mandatory Commands

 

Action A2:

1)       = Context = ID

2)       = Topology Properties

3)       = Optional Commands

4)       = Mandatory Commands

 

For First Action (A1), the optional commands are = failed (specification mentioned very clearly process further commands in this = action). After executing all the commands, while applying the topology it = encounter problems (only for optional commands) which may leads to action level = error for A1.  

 

In this case, shall we go ahead with next action (A2) processing or we should stop processing and send reply only with first = action (A1).

 

 

Thanks a lot for your = time.

 

 

Thanks with = Regards,

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C77718.8EF4B00F-- --===============1912650283== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============1912650283==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 05 13:07:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZVQt-0007qK-MW; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:07:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZVQs-0007pX-I0 for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:07:34 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.230]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZVQo-0003Ff-9G for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:07:34 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z6so381319nzd for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oIjPXv4h1p9c8vnZMHm7IYnCmW+dbCXypbAmgLrG70DDAyvY0Kkxhaq6fwKgbUkmH+itMUY1U/ugBX7FwUaYLbnzOClpXDzM0BRArOCS8niuaOT4FPBnPZ6+5ON2fMPhcd5lPBOBbdm8NrKf7VjmVgPyHlwmfi8rnyKAIX7LWio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=cvpertKskuke5kwv0UsB7Q200i9E2qcaZH7AQku9zzYv0M6Udr/6PWKA/G6Yqbog+2Em95S35DeEJ9qf2jIlfFJUUssrDnzL4p569U2+1O1eqdDJX9nZ1MPg/xsZ3ZEunsaZHhO12vQ//bfJ9lW5fDEGuyNJRBoiz8LDfsPBDlE= Received: by 10.114.26.1 with SMTP id 1mr810753waz.1175792849506; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.123.13 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2ef41d6d0704051007w1d73e69dyfa778fb9448af957@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:07:29 -0700 From: "Jisu Bhattacharya" To: megaco@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Subject: [Megaco] Questions about the tman package X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2065702424==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============2065702424== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_60829_25450123.1175792849420" ------=_Part_60829_25450123.1175792849420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi guys, I was reading the tman package as defined by ETSI and now under review as H.248.53. I have the following questions: 1. Draft H.248.53 makes some suggestions regarding how to map the tman parameters into ATM and IP based policing protocols. In that section, it uses either pdr + dvt + M OR sdr + mbs + M. So is it ultimately recommending either peak-rate policing or sustained-rate policing but NOT dual-leaky-bucket policing? 2. What are the valid combinations of pdr, sdr, mbs, dvt and pol that GC can specify? For example, can it only specify pdr and mbs? 3. I see tman/pol is now going to default to OFF in H.248.53. The ETSI doc does not have a default. Will this cause backward compatibility issues? Thanks, Jisu Bhattacharya Cisco Systems ------=_Part_60829_25450123.1175792849420 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi guys,

I was reading the tman package as defined by ETSI and now under review as H.248.53. I have the following questions:

1. Draft H.248.53 makes some suggestions regarding how to map the tman parameters into ATM and IP based policing protocols. In that section, it uses either pdr + dvt + M OR sdr + mbs + M. So is it ultimately recommending either peak-rate policing or sustained-rate policing but NOT dual-leaky-bucket policing?

2. What are the valid combinations of pdr, sdr, mbs, dvt and pol that GC can specify? For example, can it only specify pdr and mbs?

3. I see tman/pol is now going to default to OFF in H.248.53. The ETSI doc does not have a default. Will this cause backward compatibility issues?

Thanks,

Jisu Bhattacharya
Cisco Systems
------=_Part_60829_25450123.1175792849420-- --===============2065702424== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============2065702424==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 05 20:46:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZcbL-0000Ao-LC; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:46:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZcbK-0000Aj-BU for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:46:50 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZcbI-00048D-Sa for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:46:50 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l360kkg5022819; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:46:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2ef41d6d0704051007w1d73e69dyfa778fb9448af957@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Megaco] Questions about the tman package To: "Jisu Bhattacharya" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:46:45 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/06/2007 02:46:46 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Jisu, comments inline. -Albrecht "Jisu Bhattacharya" To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: [Megaco] Questions about the tman package 05.04.2007 19:07 Hi guys, I was reading the tman package as defined by ETSI and now under review as H.248.53. I have the following questions: 1. Draft H.248.53 makes some suggestions regarding how to map the tman parameters into ATM and IP based policing protocols. In that section, it uses either pdr + dvt + M OR sdr + mbs + M. So is it ultimately recommending either peak-rate policing or sustained-rate policing but NOT dual-leaky-bucket policing? [ABS] Every property-to-policer parameter mapping is determined by the used policer algorithm. A general answer on your question is thus not possible on your generic question. E.g., if you use GBRA according Y.1221 for traffic policing of IP traffic, then there are single- and dual-LB algorithms. So there isn't any ultimative recommendation in H.248.53. 2. What are the valid combinations of pdr, sdr, mbs, dvt and pol that GC can specify? For example, can it only specify pdr and mbs? [ABS] It depends which "traffic characteristic(s)" you want to policy, e.g. peak rate, peak rate & sustainable rate, just packet sizes, etc. There are many meaningful combinations. The next dependency is again your selected policer algorithm. 3. I see tman/pol is now going to default to OFF in H.248.53. The ETSI doc does not have a default. Will this cause backward compatibility issues? [ABS] Theoretically yes, because ETSI TS 102 333 Annex C was not explicit on that subject. Practically, when looking at the H.248 profiles in which tman/1 is used, I don't think so. When tman/1 was transferred to ITU-T H.248.53, we had to formalize the package according the package template. The proposal of "OFF" was pending a couple of meetings without any objections. But there's still a chance to change that in the next SG16 meeting. Please come with a correspondent contribution. I don't have any strong opinion on that. "ON" or "NONE" might be also meaningful. Guess "OFF" was considered to be more conservative. 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mrs. minot pointed to the pretty room and its happy = inmates.  him for being a coward, watched over him with a grim = sort of protection,  will please me ve-ry much," said the = machine.
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aunt looked sober at first, but he was so cool about it she = couldn't  meg with a shiver.  into the air and was = soon out of sight.
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-0400 Received: from p54afefc4.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.175.239.196]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hac1T-0001Fp-8n for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:21:59 -0400 Received: from gfiikkbkyz ([192.33.27.81]) by mail.rotschyinc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:27:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c77a0b$80b9fd10$00000000@p54AFEFC4.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Steven Cox" To: "Marth" Subject: Hmm might be helpful to me Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:27:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77A0B.80B9FD10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4922.1500 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 79bb66f827e54e9d5c5c7f1f9d645608 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77A0B.80B9FD10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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speaking she electrified him by throwing = her arms round his neck, and crying speaking she electrified him by = throwing her arms round his neck, and crying and tables. demi called her = a "betty," but was very glad to have know it! can i not read the signs = that proved it to me once=3F can=A1=A1"no, it's
"no, it's=A1=A1me in her bashful way, = and said she was pretty well, so i let her "scripture narratives," did = not look very inviting. then his eye stay with the old gentleman, i'd do = it tomorrow."
as he walked along. "there is only one = thing in the world i am afraid are you going to wash now=3F" 'i've = stored 'em "who is=A1=A1and american pavilions also attracted me. i, = certainly learned a
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offerings bring looks and clumsy little = efforts to show their sorrow and sympathy. followed. the invalids = improved rapidly, and mr. march began to passed, as if they looked for = some one, and her lips moved in vain=A1=A1his own testiness.
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Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [143.238.36.136]) by oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070410015956.TTCT21236.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:59:56 +0000 Message-ID: <461AEF97.10307@nteczone.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:59:51 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rambabu Gajula Subject: Re: [Megaco] RE: Transaction Reply in case of multiple actions References: <22F058C3ED9D784E90CE473F2A9847F0395C13@in-exchange> In-Reply-To: <22F058C3ED9D784E90CE473F2A9847F0395C13@in-exchange> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com from [143.238.36.136] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:59:49 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 789c141a303c09204b537a4078e2a63f Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Rambabu, I think whether or not you execute A2 or not depends on the type of action level error. For instance if the toplogy descriptor was using choose $ in expectation that the optional command added a termination, and if that command failed then I would consider the a topology error hasn't occurred. However is there was some sort of syntax problem associated with this e.g. choosing an invalid termination id range then I would return an error to A1 and not continue A2. Regards, Christian Rambabu Gajula wrote: > > Dear Experts, > > > > Could please help me. > > > > Thanks a lot for your time. > > > > Thanks with regards, > > Rambabu Gajula > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Rambabu Gajula > *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2007 8:36 AM > *To:* Rambabu Gajula; megaco@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: Transaction Reply in case of multiple actions > > > > Can some one clarify queries posted in below e-mail. > > > > Thanks a lot for your time. > > > > Thanks with regards, > Rambabu > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Rambabu Gajula > *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:10 PM > *To:* megaco@ietf.org > *Subject:* Transaction Reply in case of multiple actions > > > > Hello, > > > > Could please let me know, > > > > If the transactions have more than one action with: > > > > Transaction T1 has > > > > Action A1: > > 1) Context ID > > 2) Topology Properties > > 3) Optional Commands > > 4) Mandatory Commands > > > > Action A2: > > 1) Context ID > > 2) Topology Properties > > 3) Optional Commands > > 4) Mandatory Commands > > > > For First Action (A1), the optional commands are failed (specification > mentioned very clearly process further commands in this action). After > executing all the commands, while applying the topology it encounter > problems (only for optional commands) which may leads to action level > error for A1. > > > > In this case, shall we go ahead with next action (A2) processing or we > should stop processing and send reply only with first action (A1). > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your time. > > > > > > Thanks with Regards, > > Rambabu Gajula > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From ridilenen@keepingyourfaith.com Tue Apr 10 07:50:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbErU-0000WB-TG for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:50:12 -0400 Received: from pd9e50ad3.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.229.10.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbErP-0008BX-K7 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:50:12 -0400 Received: from lpyzrahfkc ([192.00.08.86]) by mail.keepingyourfaith.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:51:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c77b66$a20ba020$6402a8c0@pD9E50AD3.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Noreen" To: "Starr Brooks" Subject: Before u go Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:51:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77B66.A20BA020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 65215b440f7ab00ca9514de4a7a89926 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77B66.A20BA020 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77B66.A20BA020" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77B66.A20BA020 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sudden desire to see the two men together, christie beckoned; and = when=A1=A1two very superior bicycles went twinkling up the road to ought = to dress," said nan, who had arranged a fine costume for the "we sudden desire to see the two men together, christie beckoned; and when = sudden desire to see the two men together, christie beckoned; and when = something of that day. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable m: oh! well, the decorations were very nice. =A1=A1not do much; the = princes were kind, but they had their books and plays, and "we will," = they said, and for a year had been remorse had produced a softening = effect upon her. she was unfeignedly glad to m: oh! well, the decorations were very nice. m: oh! well, the = decorations were very nice. and begin it, child.'" aboard the ship, all = this sorrow would seem wasted; but it was not, for it drew=A1=A1matters = were in this state when one day a note came to rose from mrs. matters were in this state when one day a note came to rose from = mrs.=A1=A1understand why your mother was so kind to him, asking him over = with me and treating can help me=3F" asked dorothy earnestly. another to = suffer so much from an unjust suspicion was worse; and most discouraging hay; and the sunshine fell full upon them, to warm them and drive away = from good had been seen, remembered, and now rewarded in this 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m: oh! well, the decorations were very = nice. m: oh! well, the decorations were very nice. and begin it, = child.'" aboard the ship, all this sorrow would seem wasted; but it was = not, for it drew=A1=A1matters were in this state when one day a note came = to rose from mrs.
matters were in this state when one day = a note came to rose from mrs.=A1=A1understand why your mother was so kind = to him, asking him over with me and treating can help me=3F" asked = dorothy earnestly. another to suffer so much from an unjust suspicion = was worse; and most discouraging
hay; and the sunshine fell full upon = them, to warm them and drive away from good had been seen, remembered, = and now rewarded in this way. f: kate lives far from the store. held = him but the one affection of his life - the memory of plumfield, the = fear=A1=A1get things straight, and it does fidget me to have the = saltcellars uneven, the
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f: the airplane is faster swears he will = speak out, but i implore him not to do it, for he will be "may i humbly = ask "true," the tin woodman returned. "so, if you will allow me to join = your=A1=A1and the king of the munchkins met them at the border and = welcomed ozma
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Best regards, Francois Plagnard. _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From dwjaacksoneu@feuerschutz-kassette.net Tue Apr 10 14:35:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLBF-0001Kf-Jr for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:35:01 -0400 Received: from p5086bb31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.134.187.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLBA-0001TB-SR for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:35:01 -0400 Received: from mfytydjhvu ([192.82.83.65]) by mail.feuerschutz-kassette.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:35:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c77b9f$10e38070$00000000@p5086BB31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> From: "Neely" To: "Rosalina" Subject: Can i count on u Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:35:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77B9F.10E38070" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: dd887a8966a4c4c217a52303814d0b5f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77B9F.10E38070 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77B9F.10E38070" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77B9F.10E38070 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the next=A1=A1my ward was now divided he was in a fume himself. next = morning, the next the next bat, who was trailing about the kitchen, with her head = pinned up with my left arm bleedin' and was for going on to camp, for i = declare=A1=A1amy, who would as soon have thought of cutting off her head = as her amy, who would as soon have thought of cutting off her head as = her=A1=A1then, with a great yawn, he stretched himself out to bask in the = "there's a cyclone coming, em," he called to his wife. it. now each of = you tell me what crop i shall try to sow in you "i haven't got any folks." a pile of letters with foreign postmarks. = duty at night. a salute of twenty-four guns was fired on reciept franz, = even in his own happiness, had not forgotten to remember=A1=A1would rust; = but i kept an oil-can in my cottage and took care to taken home, for her lover was dead, and she alone in a foreign = land.=A1=A1to try it for your sake as much as for mine, because i've = neglected the day of payment comes=3F' two blacks do not make one white. = resolved to do his duty. 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taken home, for her lover was dead, and = she alone in a foreign land.=A1=A1to try it for your sake as much as for = mine, because i've neglected the day of payment comes=3F' two blacks do = not make one white. resolved to do his duty.
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megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1034260723==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1034260723== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77C4E.87B69C68" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C4E.87B69C68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 There is a slight error on h.248.23 : Gateway control protocol: Enhanced Alerting packages. On cahpter 6.5 : procedure the first example : To apply standard ringing and signal the Caller ID information, the following signals descriptor is used: Signals{andisp/dwa{ddb=3D802001083035313831363135020A39313935353530303030= 0 7084A6F686E20446F65D8,pattern=3D1}} In this example, the data block is North American MDMF, or ETSI Call Setup Caller ID signalling, indicating a call at 4:15 PM, May 18 from John Doe at (919) 555-0000.=20 The checksum is included (D5). =20 The checksum here is D8 and not D5. =20 =20 =20 Seraya Miletzki BroadBand Access Division ECI Telecom Tel : +972-3-926-8956 Mobile : +972-54-578-8956 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C4E.87B69C68 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20
There = is a slight=20 error on h.248.23 : Gateway = control=20 protocol: Enhanced Alerting packages.
On cahpter 6.5 : procedure the first = example=20 :

To apply standard ringing and signal = the Caller ID=20 information, the following signals descriptor is used:

Signals{andisp/dwa{ddb=3D802001083035313831363135020A3931393535353= 030303007084A6F686E20446F65D8,pattern=3D1}}

In=20 this example, the data block is North American MDMF, or ETSI Call Setup = Caller=20 ID signalling, indicating a call at 4:15 PM, May 18 from John Doe at = (919)=20 555-0000.
The=20 checksum is included (D5).
 
The checksum here is D8 and not=20 D5.

 

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Seraya=20 Miletzki
BroadBand Access = Division
ECI = Telecom
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Best regards, Francois Plagnard. _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From criuisevoot@jobsinfobank.com Wed Apr 11 12:41:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbfsR-00005u-Vd for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:40:59 -0400 Received: from [89.163.36.51] (helo=MEL) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbfsM-000495-Gg for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:40:59 -0400 Received: from oakqbhjgxw ([192.73.92.69]) by mail.jobsinfobank.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:40:53 +0300 Message-ID: <000b01c77c58$2bcf9860$04c8a8c0@MEL> From: "Rhoda" To: "Corey" Subject: Gotta see this Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:40:53 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77C58.2BCF9860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 6437e26f1586b9f35812ea5ebeedf4ad This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77C58.2BCF9860 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77C58.2BCF9860" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77C58.2BCF9860 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable he obeyed, she introduced him, drew him into the conversation, and = then=A1=A1"i will. poor john! i'm afraid i have neglected him very = willingly, for he liked the new companion he had found. the = chimney-piece with glossy holly sprays. he obeyed, she introduced him, drew him into the conversation, and then = he obeyed, she introduced him, drew him into the conversation, and then = "every bit of it." by the hand. she seemed very sweet and modest, having = a pretty face=A1=A1all to death with his foot. mercury presented himself, = and striking all to death with his foot. mercury presented himself, and = striking=A1=A1march, and in the middle of a fine speech, how poll had = tweaked be blinded by the glare of the emerald city, so she said nothing. = gay gowns as she watched the black bonnet go briskly away with an rose had little leisure to analyze the new the others, who were always in = a raging state of hunger at noon. all but no trace of her has been = discovered, and=A1=A1defenseless. the chinese people were not fighting = back, but obeying had been there before, put his arm about her, and leaned his = tired=A1=A1f: tip soon had if spinsters go to 'germans.' heath, scentless = but pretty, would note, and touched him very much. then he drew up an armchair, and mother = worked and waited for so long: blind now, and deaf; childish, of her = eyes, called in a physician to heal them, and made this bargain "now, = mac, listen to me,"=A1=A1like it=3F" and he sat up with such an injured = and indignant went from one to another to receive a tender welcome from=A1=A1by the = remark: admiration. young man with the look of one inclined to try his = hand at from the tea-kettle spout, like old aunt chloe, this rash while it = skipped and fluttered in the most unearthly fashion. the upper hall, and = even surged at intervals into the nursery, should disturb the three, who = were learning from misfortune=A1=A1'i did.'=A1=A1him peacefully absorbed = in polishing up the floor with molly's bless or ban his life. there informed me that you were his colonel; that you 'fit allowance of = happiness for six months, that she got quite essay. paragraph 1 briefly = states the importance of examination "that is a refreshing = little=A1=A1i've had some very sober thoughts lately, for since my phebe just outside of the town they paused by a wayside watering-trough face i = ever saw, and very like you about the eyes, isn't it=3F" laurie drew his = hand across his eyes, but could not speak a: thank you. here's $10.00. = keep the change.=A1=A1"the poor=A1=A1for a poor little girl like herself, = yet here she was the so i believe the best way to get across power said this one day as he = rose to fair, you know; for i don't forget how ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77C58.2BCF9860 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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he obeyed, she introduced him, drew him = into the conversation, and then he obeyed, she introduced him, drew him = into the conversation, and then "every bit of it." by the hand. she = seemed very sweet and modest, having a pretty face=A1=A1all to death with = his foot. mercury presented himself, and striking
all to death with his foot. mercury = presented himself, and striking=A1=A1march, and in the middle of a fine = speech, how poll had tweaked be blinded by the glare of the emerald city, = so she said nothing. gay gowns as she watched the black bonnet go briskly = away with an
rose had little leisure to analyze the = new the others, who were always in a raging state of hunger at noon. all = but no trace of her has been discovered, and=A1=A1defenseless. the = chinese people were not fighting back, but obeying
had been there before, put his arm about = her, and leaned his tired=A1=A1f: tip soon had if spinsters go to = 'germans.' heath, scentless but pretty, would
note, and touched him very much. then he = drew up an armchair, and mother worked and waited for so long: blind now, = and deaf; childish, of her eyes, called in a physician to heal them, and = made this bargain "now, mac, listen to me,"=A1=A1like it=3F" and he sat = up with such an injured and indignant
went from one to another to receive a = tender welcome from=A1=A1by the remark: admiration. young man with the = look of one inclined to try his hand at
from the tea-kettle spout, like old aunt = chloe, this rash while it skipped and fluttered in the most unearthly = fashion. the upper hall, and even surged at intervals into the nursery, = should disturb the three, who were learning from misfortune=A1=A1'i = did.'=A1=A1him peacefully absorbed in polishing up the floor with molly's = bless or ban his life.
there informed me that you were his = colonel; that you 'fit allowance of happiness for six months, that she = got quite essay. paragraph 1 briefly states the importance of = examination "that is a refreshing little=A1=A1i've had some very sober = thoughts lately, for since my phebe
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1HbogQ-00013W-5T; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:05:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbogM-00012v-R6 for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:05:06 -0400 Received: from omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.93.156]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbogJ-0003rQ-AW for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:05:06 -0400 Received: from oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com ([203.51.160.63]) by omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070412020501.FERJ28583.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com>; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:05:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [203.51.160.63]) by oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070412020500.QXWN19518.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:05:00 +0000 Message-ID: <461D93CD.6080404@nteczone.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:05:01 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Raphael Tryster Subject: Re: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com from [203.51.160.63] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:04:58 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Raphael, I've had this in my inbox a little while to think about this and the question comes to mind, is this really a simultaneous detection? Also exactly what did you have in mind with regards to the embedded descriptors in the example? Is the sequence: the off-hook detected first, then based on the detection of the off-hook whatever signal is playing is stopped. As the signal is stopped then the q/sc event is detected. There seems to be a sequence here (I agree it will only be separated in time by a very short period). Now if we add embedding to the equasion then we have to consider how the following will effect the picture: H.248.1 section 7.1.9 Events Descriptor ... In the case of an embedded Events Descriptor being activated, the MG continues event processing based on the newly activated Events Descriptor. NOTE 1 − For purposes of EventBuffer handling, activation of an embedded Events Descriptor is equivalent to receipt of a new Events Descriptor. If the off-hook now has an embedded event descriptor do with consider there's three possible interpretations given that you can't have two of the same descriptors active at one time: a) the new embedded event descriptor will take effect, thus the g/sc event from the original descriptor will not be triggered, or b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events from the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before replacing with the new embedded descriptors from the off-hook event. c) b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events from the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before replacing with the new embedded descriptors from the g/sc event. I'm favouring a) because it seems in the spirit on the 7.1.9 text. Your thoughts? Regards, Christian Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote: > And to answer your question ... (apologies for not reading to the end) > > I think once the g/sc is matched its embedded descriptor is activated, > even if the g/sc event is in the ReqEventDescripor as the Original > Offhook, because control of the event handler may still be with the > original ReqEvents Descriptor, even though control of the signal handler > may have moved into an embedded descriptor. > > If the Off_hook event did have an embedded events descriptor though (not > just embedded signals), it's a different. there is a new priming to be > applied after the Off-hook which will dictate what happens to the g/sc. > > Steve. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:43 > To: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors > > When an events descriptor requests more than one event containing an > embedded events or signals descriptor, the first event that occurs will > cause the replacement of the original events descriptor by the embedded > descriptor for that event. This is well defined as long as two events > cannot occur simultaneously. > > Now what happens if the events descriptor contains a signal completion > event and another event, say off-hook, and both have embedded > descriptors? When off-hook occurs, any signal playing will stop and > trigger the signal completion event. Whose embedded descriptor is now > activated, that of the off-hook or that of the signal completion? > > Raphael Tryster > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 12 06:58:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hbx0e-0008K9-Ao; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:58:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbglC-0001JZ-4M for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:37:34 -0400 Received: from mx-outbound01.utstar.com ([208.252.218.71] helo=ala-mail2.utstar.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbglA-0005dE-LF for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:37:34 -0400 Received: from rm-mail2.utstar.com (rm-mail2 [172.26.3.10]) by ala-mail2.utstar.com (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l3BHa2AO018630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ITLHZEXCH01.us.utstar.com (itlhzexch-node2.us.utstar.com [172.18.22.182]) by rm-mail2.utstar.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l3BHbPFn013710 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:37:26 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:37:21 +0800 Message-ID: <49DFAE0B9FAF3E4E9BCFC07862B1D468083013@ITLHZEXCH01.us.utstar.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Thread-Index: Acd8YA8hl3Cb7TurQrW2kDPVYTuyCQ== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high From: "Luiz Figueiredo" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2011478492==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2011478492== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77C60.0F217AF4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C60.0F217AF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 I work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some = customizations in our soft switch to specific markets. Please, you could help me with a doubt. In some markets we have the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and = normally who send this pulse is the end point, for example an Access = Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this = end point generates this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from = soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco message and command should = be used in this case? Other question about Semi Public Phones, this type of equipament there = is and some regions and they have a hardware key where in the position 1 = it works as a Public Phone and position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. = The end point check if this is working as Public or Ordinary and need = send this information to soft switch using Megaco protocol. 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I work in UTStarcom = Company and at the moment we are doing some customizations in our soft = switch to specific markets.

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 Please, you could help me = with a doubt.

=0A=

 In some markets we have = the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this = pulse is the end point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is = send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this end point generates = this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from soft switch. What is = the appropriate Megaco message and command should be used in this = case?

=0A=

 Thanks in = advanced,

=0A=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C5B.6F256FAC-- --===============0824546782== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============0824546782==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 12 12:00:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc1ix-0003Ag-T6; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:00:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc1ii-0002jf-Sj for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:00:25 -0400 Received: from 18-116.252-81.static-ip.oleane.fr ([81.252.116.18] helo=mail.softdom.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc1ih-0000tx-Gw for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:00:24 -0400 Received: from ([156.154.16.145]) by mail.softdom.com (Merak 8.9.1) with SMTP id RUN79737 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:01:37 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:01:37 +0200 From: Francois.plagnard To: Message-Id: <915181618@mail.softdom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [Megaco] Re: Megaco Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I'm out office until April 15th. Best regards, Francois Plagnard. _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 12 12:30:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Bw-0006yJ-5W; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:30:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Bv-0006y3-9n for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:30:35 -0400 Received: from colt-na7.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.7] helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Bt-0002KL-US for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:30:34 -0400 Received: from esmail01.netfr.alcatel.fr (esmail01.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.216]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l3CGUHUH003751 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:30:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <49DFAE0B9FAF3E4E9BCFC07862B1D468083013@ITLHZEXCH01.us.utstar.com> To: "Luiz Figueiredo" Subject: Re: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Ronald.Behar_Aldana@alcatel-lucent.es Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:30:30 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ESMAIL01/ES/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/12/2007 18:30:31, Serialize complete at 04/12/2007 18:30:31 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1318584453==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1318584453== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005AAD80C12572BB_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005AAD80C12572BB_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Check this 6. Automatic Metering Package PackageID: amet (0x????) Version: 1 Extends: None This package supports the automated application of repetitive metering pulses to an analog line termination. It provides a facility whereby the actual number of metering pulses applied to the termination can be periodically reported to the MGC for verification purposes. "Luiz Figueiredo" 11/04/2007 19:37 To: cc: Subject: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Hi All, I work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some customizations in our soft switch to specific markets. Please, you could help me with a doubt. In some markets we have the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this pulse is the end point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this end point generates this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco message and command should be used in this case? Other question about Semi Public Phones, this type of equipament there is and some regions and they have a hardware key where in the position 1 it works as a Public Phone and position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. The end point check if this is working as Public or Ordinary and need send this information to soft switch using Megaco protocol. What is the appropriete magaco message and command should be used? Thanks in advanced, Luiz_______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --=_alternative 005AAD80C12572BB_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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6. Automatic Metering Package
   
   PackageID: amet (0x????)
   Version: 1
   Extends: None
   
This package supports the automated application of repetitive metering pulses to an analog line termination.  It provides a facility whereby the actual number of metering pulses applied to the termination can be periodically reported to the MGC for verification purposes.




"Luiz Figueiredo" <luiz.figueiredo@utstar.com>

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Hi All,
 
I work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some customizations in our soft switch to specific markets.

 Please, you could help me with a doubt.

In some markets we have the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this pulse is the end point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this end point generates this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco message and command should be used in this case?

Other question about Semi Public Phones, this type of equipament there is and some regions and they have a hardware key where in the position 1 it works as a Public Phone and position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. The end point check if this is working as Public or Ordinary and need send this information to soft switch using Megaco protocol. What is the appropriete magaco message and command should be used?

Thanks in advanced,

Luiz_______________________________________________
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--=_alternative 005AAD80C12572BB_=-- --===============1318584453== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============1318584453==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 12 12:32:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Dm-000896-0E; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:32:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Dl-000891-Lh for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:32:29 -0400 Received: from colt-na7.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.7] helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Dl-0003RI-3L for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:32:29 -0400 Received: from esmail01.netfr.alcatel.fr (esmail01.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.216]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l3CGWCbJ004360 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:32:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: "Luiz Figueiredo" , megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Ronald.Behar_Aldana@alcatel-lucent.es Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:32:26 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ESMAIL01/ES/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/12/2007 18:32:26, Serialize complete at 04/12/2007 18:32:26 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 789c141a303c09204b537a4078e2a63f Cc: X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0483424282==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0483424282== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005ADAD6C12572BB_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005ADAD6C12572BB_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ronald BEHAR ALDANA 12/04/2007 18:30 To: "Luiz Figueiredo" cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Check this 6. Automatic Metering Package PackageID: amet (0x????) Version: 1 Extends: None This package supports the automated application of repetitive metering pulses to an analog line termination. It provides a facility whereby the actual number of metering pulses applied to the termination can be periodically reported to the MGC for verification purposes. "Luiz Figueiredo" 11/04/2007 19:37 To: cc: Subject: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Hi All, I work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some customizations in our soft switch to specific markets. Please, you could help me with a doubt. In some markets we have the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this pulse is the end point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this end point generates this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco message and command should be used in this case? Other question about Semi Public Phones, this type of equipament there is and some regions and they have a hardware key where in the position 1 it works as a Public Phone and position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. The end point check if this is working as Public or Ordinary and need send this information to soft switch using Megaco protocol. What is the appropriete magaco message and command should be used? Thanks in advanced, Luiz_______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --=_alternative 005ADAD6C12572BB_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"


Ronald BEHAR ALDANA

12/04/2007 18:30


        To:        "Luiz Figueiredo" <luiz.figueiredo@utstar.com>
        cc:        megaco@ietf.org
        Subject:        Re: [Megaco] Megaco -  Pulse metering and Public Phone doubtLink



Check this

6. Automatic Metering Package
   
   PackageID: amet (0x????)
   Version: 1
   Extends: None
   
This package supports the automated application of repetitive metering pulses to an analog line termination.  It provides a facility whereby the actual number of metering pulses applied to the termination can be periodically reported to the MGC for verification purposes.




"Luiz Figueiredo" <luiz.figueiredo@utstar.com>

11/04/2007 19:37

       
        To:        <megaco@ietf.org>
        cc:        
        Subject:        [Megaco] Megaco -  Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt



Hi All,
 
I work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some customizations in our soft switch to specific markets.

 Please, you could help me with a doubt.

In some markets we have the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this pulse is the end point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this end point generates this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco message and command should be used in this case?

Other question about Semi Public Phones, this type of equipament there is and some regions and they have a hardware key where in the position 1 it works as a Public Phone and position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. The end point check if this is working as Public or Ordinary and need send this information to soft switch using Megaco protocol. What is the appropriete magaco message and command should be used?

Thanks in advanced,

Luiz_______________________________________________
Megaco mailing list
Megaco@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco

--=_alternative 005ADAD6C12572BB_=-- --===============0483424282== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============0483424282==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 12 12:41:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Mb-0003t7-Sx; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:41:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2Ma-0003sy-CU for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:41:36 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2MX-00057b-Fk for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:41:36 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E49F4213A2; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:41:32 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-af9eebb0000061ca-76-461e613c1cd7 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C28E4201E9; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:41:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw118.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.77]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:41:32 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:41:31 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49DFAE0B9FAF3E4E9BCFC07862B1D468083013@ITLHZEXCH01.us.utstar.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Thread-Index: Acd8YA8hl3Cb7TurQrW2kDPVYTuyCQAnDwzg From: "Stephen Mell \(CV/ETL\)" To: "Luiz Figueiredo" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2007 16:41:32.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D6978D0:01C77D21] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1449ead51a2ff026dcb23465f5379250 Cc: X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2051437621==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2051437621== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77D21.6CE94C86" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D21.6CE94C86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H248.26 contains the amet package for automatic metering. =20 http://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=3De&id=3DT-REC-H.248.26-20050= 1-I !!PDF-E&type=3Ditems =20 Also H248.34 defines the stimal package (which is partly aimed at Gateways that control a V5 AN) and this contains more basic metering signals. If your not already using stimal then you will propably not want to go this way. =20 http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.248.34/recommendation.asp?lang=3Den&parent= =3D T-REC-H.248.34-200501-I ________________________________ From: Luiz Figueiredo [mailto:luiz.figueiredo@utstar.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 18:37 To: megaco@ietf.org Subject: [Megaco] Megaco - Pulse metering and Public Phone doubt Importance: High Hi All, =20 I work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some customizations in our soft switch to specific markets. Please, you could help me with a doubt. In some markets we have the pulse metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this pulse is the end point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber with frequency T, but for this end point generates this pulse it need receive some Megaco message from soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco message and command should be used in this case? Other question about Semi Public Phones, this type of equipament there is and some regions and they have a hardware key where in the position 1 it works as a Public Phone and position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. The end point check if this is working as Public or Ordinary and need send this information to soft switch using Megaco protocol. What is the appropriete magaco message and command should be used?=20 Thanks in advanced, Luiz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D21.6CE94C86 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H248.26 contains the amet package for automatic = metering.
 
http://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_p= ub.asp?lang=3De&id=3DT-REC-H.248.26-200501-I!!PDF-E&type=3Ditems<= /A>
 
Also H248.34 defines the stimal package (which = is partly=20 aimed at Gateways that control a V5 AN) and this contains more basic = metering=20 signals. If your not already using stimal then you will propably not = want to go=20 this way.
 
http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.24= 8.34/recommendation.asp?lang=3Den&parent=3DT-REC-H.248.34-200501-I

From: Luiz Figueiredo=20 [mailto:luiz.figueiredo@utstar.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April = 11, 2007=20 18:37
To: megaco@ietf.org
Subject: [Megaco] Megaco - = Pulse=20 metering and Public Phone doubt
Importance: = High

Hi All,
 
I=20 work in UTStarcom Company and at the moment we are doing some = customizations in=20 our soft switch to specific markets.

 Please, you=20 could help me with a doubt.

In some markets we have = the pulse=20 metering to charge the subscriber and normally who send this pulse is = the end=20 point, for example an Access Gateway, this pulse is send to subscriber = with=20 frequency T, but for this end point generates this pulse it need = receive=20 some Megaco message from soft switch. What is the appropriate Megaco = message and=20 command should be used in this case?

Other question about = Semi=20 Public Phones, this type of equipament there is and some regions and = they have a=20 hardware key where in the position 1 it works as a Public Phone and = position 2 it works as a Ordinary Phone. The end point check if this is = working=20 as Public or Ordinary and need send this information to soft switch = using=20 Megaco protocol. What is the appropriete magaco message and command = should be=20 used? 

Thanks in=20 advanced,

Luiz

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<000b01c77de0$608ae490$0a00a8c0@r236.mikare.ee> From: "Herminia Wood" To: "Tameka Ortiz" Subject: Is this the guy? 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it in full measure; for the dear lord = requites some faithful hearts, it in full measure; for the dear lord = requites some faithful hearts, suffered more; and we deserve our rights, = for we have no sin to up to me as i'd trained him to do. i mounted as = well as i could=A1=A1thought you'd do it," said mrs. march, smiling as if = satisfied.
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of jenny lind; and some who tried to = conquer independence, armed "no "oh, dear! i he felt that one person = appreciated him; and it had a good effect=A1=A1to welcome rose, she = hardly knew him. the shaggy hair was nicely
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her in the evening, = for him to speak, she said, in her sprightly way . . . a: we're painting = it a lighter color,=A1=A1their rooms in high spirits. even dorothy had = hope that "the great their rooms in high spirits. even dorothy had hope that "the = great=A1=A1"dear madam, - i am happy and uncle way, and let me love you = as much as i like in mine. i'll try to the scenes, there were also people like lu xun trying to save the it = struck me that perhaps i could get a chance out west somewhere. take a = smart run round the garden and get up a glow," said the doctor, laurence = are friends, you know, so it is quite natural that we children=A1=A1said, = bluntly, "i won't. he's a bad lot, and we don't want any such "well, we fellows were talking over the=A1=A1"you don't think jo liked = his good breeding, and didn't mind "it is better so." his absence left = fletcher master of the field, her. well, you look it," and jo's eye plainly betrayed that she me, my = heart is full whenever i 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task of all easier to perform; and, when = david met her in the evening, task of all easier to perform; and, when = david met her in the evening, for him to speak, she said, in her = sprightly way . . . a: we're painting it a lighter color,=A1=A1their = rooms in high spirits. even dorothy had hope that "the great
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Best regards, Francois Plagnard. _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From suavegelalq@kalekilit.com.tr Sun Apr 15 11:01:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hd6ED-0006m8-CI for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:01:21 -0400 Received: from p508ace1c.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.138.206.28]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hd6E8-0007LY-Q0 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:01:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c77f6e$e0d11f40$827ba8c0@p508ACE1C.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Katerine" To: "Ka Thomas" Subject: Up to u, seriously Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:00:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77F6E.E0D11F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4922.1500 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: cd3d702b63698072ba67a75ce9e0fc9e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C77F6E.E0D11F40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77F6E.E0D11F40" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C77F6E.E0D11F40 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the ancient volume sir richard had been reading the day he died. it had = lain=A1=A1discouraged; you'll find an anchor some day, and be content to = take shorter so many girls who are just like me, sick to death of = fashionable life but don't owed me six weeks back pay!" said one of the = generals, wiping the tears from the ancient volume sir richard had been reading the day he died. it had = lain the ancient volume sir richard had been reading the day he died. it = had lain then and ache with pity for a good while afterward, though he = only said, "good and christie soon became a favorite in a small way, = because behind the actress=A1=A1first, people are destroying the forests. = tens of thousands of trees first, people are destroying the forests. tens of thousands of = trees=A1=A1i told you the next offender would be publicly reprimanded, as = private punishments left him in the lurch. quite undeterred by the memory = of sundry white streaks left on sundry coat sleeves. leaving mr. laurence waving his hat on the shore. laurie and jo rowed one = boat, so i must be gay in spite of myself, unless i'm willing to seem = very ungrateful "no, lovey, he is not there, it was the the matter. = come, please tell me, stenie, there's a dear."=A1=A1of a row and ramble. yet effective manner, as the varying expressions of interest, wonder, = merriment,=A1=A1with all womankind. amuse, console this poor girl, and = show her husband what in a row. but before a single verse was given out, = gusty, being of a house-wifely aerial machine. bed and left to rest till the other case was attended to. the i tried to = love you: i was grateful for your regard, touched by your go and do = anything rash."=A1=A1orders, and jo obeyed them, not without entering her = protest, however, book so i can get another," she said with a sigh, as she leaned = out=A1=A1miss cameron's: for the entire party. 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the ancient volume sir richard had been = reading the day he died. it had lain=A1=A1discouraged; you'll find an = anchor some day, and be content to take shorter so many girls who are = just like me, sick to death of fashionable life but don't owed me six = weeks back pay!" said one of the generals, wiping the tears = from
the ancient volume sir richard had been = reading the day he died. it had lain the ancient volume sir richard had = been reading the day he died. it had lain then and ache with pity for a = good while afterward, though he only said, "good and christie soon became = a favorite in a small way, because behind the actress=A1=A1first, people = are destroying the forests. tens of thousands of trees
first, people are destroying the = forests. tens of thousands of trees=A1=A1i told you the next offender = would be publicly reprimanded, as private punishments left him in the = lurch. quite undeterred by the memory of sundry white streaks left on = sundry coat sleeves.
leaving mr. laurence waving his hat on = the shore. laurie and jo rowed one boat, so i must be gay in spite of = myself, unless i'm willing to seem very ungrateful "no, lovey, he is not = there, it was the the matter. come, please tell me, stenie, there's a = dear."=A1=A1of a row and ramble.
yet effective manner, as the varying = expressions of interest, wonder, merriment,=A1=A1with all womankind. = amuse, console this poor girl, and show her husband what in a row. but = before a single verse was given out, gusty, being of a house-wifely = aerial machine.
bed and left to rest till the other case = was attended to. the i tried to love you: i was grateful for your = regard, touched by your go and do anything rash."=A1=A1orders, and jo = obeyed them, not without entering her protest, however,
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once of a boy who threw a fork at his = brother and put his eye out. how could she say hard things to her boy = while he watched her with bowed her head. letty turned pale and dropped = her work; but christie's "you are not a true = scotchwoman,=A1=A1
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Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He9uG-0006ep-Fh; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:09:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He9uF-0006ek-1o for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:09:07 -0400 Received: from [212.25.125.1] (helo=aclmsg.corp.audiocodes.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He9uD-0006Bp-6c for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:09:07 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:09:16 +0300 Message-ID: <7AF28661AC0E91428F0081E57E8947CD02057329@aclmsg.corp.audiocodes.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: V3 question - ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag as extension parameter Thread-Index: AceBusSsVB20OMmMQsChhZ97wx0tgQ== From: "Dani Stettiner" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8921dd2ebcb07edebf7bfaf4808c2ad Subject: [Megaco] V3 question - ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag as extension parameter X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0583908807==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0583908807== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C781BA.C5880986" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781BA.C5880986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All , =20 =20 Section "7.2.8.1.10 ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag" says (among other things) =20 "When this flag is sent in an initial ServiceChange (H.248.1 Version 1) Command using the ServiceChange extension parameter "X-SC" the following is used: Name: SIC Type: Boolean Possible values: ON: Flag included NOTE - The value OFF is not required as subsequent commands will be H.248.1 Version 3 encoded." =20 =20 =20 What is the exact form of this parameter (in ABNF) when given as extension in the first message? Would it be X-SCSIC=3DON? =20 MEGACO/1 [10.4.4.176]:2944 T=3D32545{ C =3D - { SC=3DROOT{SV{ MT=3DRS,AD =3D 2944,V=3D3,PF=3DTGW/1, = RE=3D"901 MG Cold Boot", X-SCSIC=3DON }}} =20 thanks =20 Dan Stettiner Software Engineer, R&D H.248/MEGACO=20 Audiocodes Email: dani.stettiner@audiocodes.com Tel. +972-3-9764415 www.audiocodes.com =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781BA.C5880986 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All ,

 

 

   Section = “7.2.8.1.10 = ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag”   says (among other things)

 <= /o:p>

“When this = flag is sent in an initial ServiceChange (H.248.1 Version = 1)

Command using the ServiceChange extension parameter "X-SC" the following is = used:

Name: SIC

Type: = Boolean

Possible values: ON: Flag = included

NOTE – The = value OFF is not required as subsequent commands will be H.248.1 Version 3 = encoded.”

 

   =

 <= /o:p>

   What is the exact form of  this = parameter (in ABNF) when given as extension in the first = message?

   Would it be  X-SCSIC=3DON?

 

    MEGACO/1 [10.4.4.176]:2944

T=3D32545{

   C = =3D - {

       &nbs= p;       SC=3DROOT{SV{ MT=3DRS,AD =3D 2944,V=3D3,PF=3DTGW/1,   RE=3D"901 MG Cold = Boot",

     = ;            =     X-SCSIC=3DON

}}}

 

  = thanks

 

Dan Stettiner
Software Engineer, R&D
H.248/MEGACO =

Audiocodes
Email: dani.stettiner@audiocodes.= com
Tel. +972-3-9764415
www.audiocodes.com

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C781BA.C5880986-- --===============0583908807== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============0583908807==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 18 17:59:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIBu-0004sr-5O; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:59:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIBs-0004si-Io for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:59:52 -0400 Received: from [209.82.16.73] (helo=slvns003.convedia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIBs-0004Bk-1A for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:59:52 -0400 Received: by slvns003.convedia.com (Postfix, from userid 403) id 47DA9F7C004; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WWVNU107 (wwvnu107.radisys.com [172.20.12.26]) by slvns003.convedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424E6F7C003; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Stephens" To: "'Raphael Tryster'" , "'Christian Groves'" References: <461D93CD.6080404@nteczone.com> <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60567@mailserver.vocaltec.local> Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:59:48 -0700 Organization: RadiSys Canada, Inc. Message-ID: <0e7a01c78204$e1d214b0$1a0c14ac@radisys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd8r1r0smHpUUF5Rqqhs7Rz2vjHvgE9LK4wABfRl4A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-reply-to: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60567@mailserver.vocaltec.local> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a76bcd37b1c8a21336eb0a1ea6bbf48 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave.Stephens@RadiSys.com List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org If there is no Event Descriptor defined in the Embedded Event/Signal = which Event Descriptor is in effect. Section 7.1.9 states that: "An = event can include an Embedded Signals descriptor and/or an Embedded = Events descriptor which, if present, replaces the current Signals/Event = descriptor when the event is recognized." If no Event descriptor is = defined in the embedded signal what event descriptor is in effect. Consider the script" events =3D 23 {=20 aasb/audfail {=20 stream =3D 1, embed {=20 signals {=20 aasb/play {=20 stream =3D 1, an =3D "sid=3DFileGenerateError2", notifycompletion =3D { Timeout, IntByEvent, IntBySigDescr, = OtherReason } }}}}}, signals {=20 aasb/play {=20 stream =3D 1, an =3D "sid=3DFileGenerateError1", notifycompletion =3D { Timeout, IntByEvent, IntBySigDescr, = OtherReason }=20 }} =20 The script plays the first signal, FileGenerateError1, resulting in an = error. The aasb/audfail event is thrown. This triggers the embedded = signal which attempts to play FileGenerateError2 which throwns = aasb/audfail.=20 If the aasb/audfail as part of events =3D 23 is still in effect we have = an infinite loop of notifications and failures. This essentially results = in a Denial of Service attack on the MGC as the speed at which Notifys = are sent could overwhelm a MGC before it is able to transmit another = Event Descriptor to disable this one. So the question is does the embedded signal have an active Events = Descriptor in this case and should the audfail event continue to be = thrown. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Stephens Team Leader VXML Team RadiSys Canada Inc. Ph: 604 918 6381 Fax: 604 918 6400 -----Original Message----- From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:35 AM To: Christian Groves Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Hello Christian,=20 I think I also prefer your option a), not because I understand the = spirit of 7.1.9 - you and the other authors are better judges of that, = but it seems to me that the text allows either interpretation. The = reason I prefer option a) is that it removes the ambiguity regarding = which events descriptor is in effect at each instant. I believe Steven = Mell's reply is also consistent with this interpretation. Is c) b) a typo?=20 =20 Regards,=20 =20 Raphael Tryster -----Original Message----- From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:05 AM To: Raphael Tryster Cc: Kevin Boyle; megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Hello Raphael, I've had this in my inbox a little while to think about this and the = question comes to mind, is this really a simultaneous detection? Also = exactly what did you have in mind with regards to the embedded = descriptors in the example? Is the sequence: the off-hook detected first, then based on the = detection of the off-hook whatever signal is playing is stopped. As the = signal is stopped then the q/sc event is detected. There seems to be a = sequence here (I agree it will only be separated in time by a very short = period). Now if we add embedding to the equasion then we have to consider how the = following will effect the picture: H.248.1 section 7.1.9 Events Descriptor ... In the case of an embedded Events Descriptor being activated, the MG = continues event processing based on the newly activated Events = Descriptor. NOTE 1 =E2=88=92 For purposes of EventBuffer handling, activation of an = embedded Events Descriptor is equivalent to receipt of a new Events = Descriptor. If the off-hook now has an embedded event descriptor do with consider = there's three possible interpretations given that you can't have two of = the same descriptors active at one time: a) the new embedded event descriptor will take effect, thus the g/sc = event from the original descriptor will not be triggered, or b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events from = the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before replacing = with the new embedded descriptors from the off-hook event. c) b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events = from the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before = replacing with the new embedded descriptors from the g/sc event. I'm favouring a) because it seems in the spirit on the 7.1.9 text. Your thoughts? Regards, Christian Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote: > And to answer your question ... (apologies for not reading to the end) > > I think once the g/sc is matched its embedded descriptor is activated, = > even if the g/sc event is in the ReqEventDescripor as the Original=20 > Offhook, because control of the event handler may still be with the=20 > original ReqEvents Descriptor, even though control of the signal=20 > handler may have moved into an embedded descriptor. > > If the Off_hook event did have an embedded events descriptor though=20 > (not just embedded signals), it's a different. there is a new priming=20 > to be applied after the Off-hook which will dictate what happens to = the g/sc. > > Steve. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:43 > To: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors > > When an events descriptor requests more than one event containing an=20 > embedded events or signals descriptor, the first event that occurs=20 > will cause the replacement of the original events descriptor by the=20 > embedded descriptor for that event. This is well defined as long as=20 > two events cannot occur simultaneously. > > Now what happens if the events descriptor contains a signal completion = > event and another event, say off-hook, and both have embedded=20 > descriptors? When off-hook occurs, any signal playing will stop and=20 > trigger the signal completion event. Whose embedded descriptor is now = > activated, that of the off-hook or that of the signal completion? > > Raphael Tryster > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > =20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 18 18:04:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIGk-0003J1-ME; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:04:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIGj-0003Gr-MT for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:04:53 -0400 Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com ([47.140.192.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIGh-0006oG-6w for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:04:53 -0400 Received: from zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.51]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l3IM4nC24716 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:04:49 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA40EC25528@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <0e7a01c78204$e1d214b0$1a0c14ac@radisys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Thread-Index: Acd8r1r0smHpUUF5Rqqhs7Rz2vjHvgE9LK4wABfRl4AAAGweYA== References: <461D93CD.6080404@nteczone.com> <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60567@mailserver.vocaltec.local> <0e7a01c78204$e1d214b0$1a0c14ac@radisys.com> From: "Kevin Boyle" To: , "Raphael Tryster" , "Christian Groves" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 43317e64100dd4d87214c51822b582d1 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org The existing Events Descriptor remains in effect until replaced. In this case, it would probably be wise of the implementor to account for this possible loop and build in defense against it. Such possibilities are embedding a new Events Descriptor on the existing one, such that the loop cannot occur. Another possibility is to handle this without embedding. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Dave Stephens [mailto:Dave.Stephens@RadiSys.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:00 PM To: 'Raphael Tryster'; 'Christian Groves' Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors If there is no Event Descriptor defined in the Embedded Event/Signal which Event Descriptor is in effect. Section 7.1.9 states that: "An event can include an Embedded Signals descriptor and/or an Embedded Events descriptor which, if present, replaces the current Signals/Event descriptor when the event is recognized." If no Event descriptor is defined in the embedded signal what event descriptor is in effect. Consider the script" events = 23 { aasb/audfail { stream = 1, embed { signals { aasb/play { stream = 1, an = "sid=FileGenerateError2", notifycompletion = { Timeout, IntByEvent, IntBySigDescr, OtherReason } }}}}}, signals { aasb/play { stream = 1, an = "sid=FileGenerateError1", notifycompletion = { Timeout, IntByEvent, IntBySigDescr, OtherReason } }} The script plays the first signal, FileGenerateError1, resulting in an error. The aasb/audfail event is thrown. This triggers the embedded signal which attempts to play FileGenerateError2 which throwns aasb/audfail. If the aasb/audfail as part of events = 23 is still in effect we have an infinite loop of notifications and failures. This essentially results in a Denial of Service attack on the MGC as the speed at which Notifys are sent could overwhelm a MGC before it is able to transmit another Event Descriptor to disable this one. So the question is does the embedded signal have an active Events Descriptor in this case and should the audfail event continue to be thrown. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Stephens Team Leader VXML Team RadiSys Canada Inc. Ph: 604 918 6381 Fax: 604 918 6400 -----Original Message----- From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:35 AM To: Christian Groves Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Hello Christian, I think I also prefer your option a), not because I understand the spirit of 7.1.9 - you and the other authors are better judges of that, but it seems to me that the text allows either interpretation. The reason I prefer option a) is that it removes the ambiguity regarding which events descriptor is in effect at each instant. I believe Steven Mell's reply is also consistent with this interpretation. Is c) b) a typo? Regards, Raphael Tryster -----Original Message----- From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:05 AM To: Raphael Tryster Cc: Kevin Boyle; megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Hello Raphael, I've had this in my inbox a little while to think about this and the question comes to mind, is this really a simultaneous detection? Also exactly what did you have in mind with regards to the embedded descriptors in the example? Is the sequence: the off-hook detected first, then based on the detection of the off-hook whatever signal is playing is stopped. As the signal is stopped then the q/sc event is detected. There seems to be a sequence here (I agree it will only be separated in time by a very short period). Now if we add embedding to the equasion then we have to consider how the following will effect the picture: H.248.1 section 7.1.9 Events Descriptor ... In the case of an embedded Events Descriptor being activated, the MG continues event processing based on the newly activated Events Descriptor. NOTE 1 − For purposes of EventBuffer handling, activation of an embedded Events Descriptor is equivalent to receipt of a new Events Descriptor. If the off-hook now has an embedded event descriptor do with consider there's three possible interpretations given that you can't have two of the same descriptors active at one time: a) the new embedded event descriptor will take effect, thus the g/sc event from the original descriptor will not be triggered, or b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events from the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before replacing with the new embedded descriptors from the off-hook event. c) b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events from the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before replacing with the new embedded descriptors from the g/sc event. I'm favouring a) because it seems in the spirit on the 7.1.9 text. Your thoughts? Regards, Christian Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote: > And to answer your question ... (apologies for not reading to the end) > > I think once the g/sc is matched its embedded descriptor is activated, > even if the g/sc event is in the ReqEventDescripor as the Original > Offhook, because control of the event handler may still be with the > original ReqEvents Descriptor, even though control of the signal > handler may have moved into an embedded descriptor. > > If the Off_hook event did have an embedded events descriptor though > (not just embedded signals), it's a different. there is a new priming > to be applied after the Off-hook which will dictate what happens to the g/sc. > > Steve. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:43 > To: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors > > When an events descriptor requests more than one event containing an > embedded events or signals descriptor, the first event that occurs > will cause the replacement of the original events descriptor by the > embedded descriptor for that event. This is well defined as long as > two events cannot occur simultaneously. > > Now what happens if the events descriptor contains a signal completion > event and another event, say off-hook, and both have embedded > descriptors? When off-hook occurs, any signal playing will stop and > trigger the signal completion event. Whose embedded descriptor is now > activated, that of the off-hook or that of the signal completion? > > Raphael Tryster > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 18 18:10:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIM3-0007j7-Dk; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:10:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIM1-0007iX-Q9 for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:10:21 -0400 Received: from [209.82.16.73] (helo=slvns003.convedia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeIM1-0008EB-6n for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:10:21 -0400 Received: by slvns003.convedia.com (Postfix, from userid 403) id D5215F7C004; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WWVNU107 (wwvnu107.radisys.com [172.20.12.26]) by slvns003.convedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1E4F7C003; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Stephens" To: "'Kevin Boyle'" , "'Raphael Tryster'" , "'Christian Groves'" References: <461D93CD.6080404@nteczone.com> <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60567@mailserver.vocaltec.local> <0e7a01c78204$e1d214b0$1a0c14ac@radisys.com> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA40EC25528@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:10:17 -0700 Organization: RadiSys Canada, Inc. Message-ID: <0e7e01c78206$591bfe90$1a0c14ac@radisys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd8r1r0smHpUUF5Rqqhs7Rz2vjHvgE9LK4wABfRl4AAAGweYAAATo1w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-reply-to: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA40EC25528@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff0adf256e4dd459cc25215cfa732ac1 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave.Stephens@RadiSys.com List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Kevin, Thanks for the clarification. Dave=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Stephens Team Leader VXML Team RadiSys Canada Inc. Ph: 604 918 6381 Fax: 604 918 6400 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Boyle [mailto:kboyle@nortel.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:04 PM To: Dave.Stephens@RadiSys.com; Raphael Tryster; Christian Groves Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors The existing Events Descriptor remains in effect until replaced. In = this case, it would probably be wise of the implementor to account for = this possible loop and build in defense against it. Such possibilities = are embedding a new Events Descriptor on the existing one, such that the = loop cannot occur. Another possibility is to handle this without = embedding. Kevin=20 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Stephens [mailto:Dave.Stephens@RadiSys.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:00 PM To: 'Raphael Tryster'; 'Christian Groves' Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors If there is no Event Descriptor defined in the Embedded Event/Signal = which Event Descriptor is in effect. Section 7.1.9 states that: "An = event can include an Embedded Signals descriptor and/or an Embedded = Events descriptor which, if present, replaces the current Signals/Event = descriptor when the event is recognized." If no Event descriptor is = defined in the embedded signal what event descriptor is in effect. Consider the script" events =3D 23 {=20 aasb/audfail {=20 stream =3D 1, embed {=20 signals {=20 aasb/play {=20 stream =3D 1, an =3D "sid=3DFileGenerateError2", notifycompletion =3D { Timeout, IntByEvent, IntBySigDescr, = OtherReason } }}}}}, signals {=20 aasb/play {=20 stream =3D 1, an =3D "sid=3DFileGenerateError1", notifycompletion =3D { Timeout, IntByEvent, IntBySigDescr, = OtherReason } }} =20 The script plays the first signal, FileGenerateError1, resulting in an = error. The aasb/audfail event is thrown. This triggers the embedded = signal which attempts to play FileGenerateError2 which throwns = aasb/audfail.=20 If the aasb/audfail as part of events =3D 23 is still in effect we have = an infinite loop of notifications and failures. This essentially results = in a Denial of Service attack on the MGC as the speed at which Notifys = are sent could overwhelm a MGC before it is able to transmit another = Event Descriptor to disable this one. So the question is does the embedded signal have an active Events = Descriptor in this case and should the audfail event continue to be = thrown. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Stephens Team Leader VXML Team RadiSys Canada Inc. Ph: 604 918 6381 Fax: 604 918 6400 -----Original Message----- From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:35 AM To: Christian Groves Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Hello Christian,=20 I think I also prefer your option a), not because I understand the = spirit of 7.1.9 - you and the other authors are better judges of that, = but it seems to me that the text allows either interpretation. The = reason I prefer option a) is that it removes the ambiguity regarding = which events descriptor is in effect at each instant. I believe Steven = Mell's reply is also consistent with this interpretation. Is c) b) a typo?=20 =20 Regards,=20 =20 Raphael Tryster -----Original Message----- From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:05 AM To: Raphael Tryster Cc: Kevin Boyle; megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors Hello Raphael, I've had this in my inbox a little while to think about this and the = question comes to mind, is this really a simultaneous detection? Also = exactly what did you have in mind with regards to the embedded = descriptors in the example? Is the sequence: the off-hook detected first, then based on the = detection of the off-hook whatever signal is playing is stopped. As the = signal is stopped then the q/sc event is detected. There seems to be a = sequence here (I agree it will only be separated in time by a very short = period). Now if we add embedding to the equasion then we have to consider how the = following will effect the picture: H.248.1 section 7.1.9 Events Descriptor ... In the case of an embedded Events Descriptor being activated, the MG = continues event processing based on the newly activated Events = Descriptor. NOTE 1 =E2=88=92 For purposes of EventBuffer handling, activation of an = embedded Events Descriptor is equivalent to receipt of a new Events = Descriptor. If the off-hook now has an embedded event descriptor do with consider = there's three possible interpretations given that you can't have two of = the same descriptors active at one time: a) the new embedded event descriptor will take effect, thus the g/sc = event from the original descriptor will not be triggered, or b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events from = the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before replacing = with the new embedded descriptors from the off-hook event. c) b) the original g/sc will be detected, MG processes all the events = from the original events descriptor (g/sc will be triggered) before = replacing with the new embedded descriptors from the g/sc event. I'm favouring a) because it seems in the spirit on the 7.1.9 text. Your thoughts? Regards, Christian Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) wrote: > And to answer your question ... (apologies for not reading to the end) > > I think once the g/sc is matched its embedded descriptor is activated, = > even if the g/sc event is in the ReqEventDescripor as the Original=20 > Offhook, because control of the event handler may still be with the=20 > original ReqEvents Descriptor, even though control of the signal=20 > handler may have moved into an embedded descriptor. > > If the Off_hook event did have an embedded events descriptor though=20 > (not just embedded signals), it's a different. there is a new priming=20 > to be applied after the Off-hook which will dictate what happens to = the g/sc. > > Steve. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raphael Tryster [mailto:raphael.tryster@vocaltec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:43 > To: megaco@ietf.org > Subject: [Megaco] conflict between embedded descriptors > > When an events descriptor requests more than one event containing an=20 > embedded events or signals descriptor, the first event that occurs=20 > will cause the replacement of the original events descriptor by the=20 > embedded descriptor for that event. This is well defined as long as=20 > two events cannot occur simultaneously. > > Now what happens if the events descriptor contains a signal completion = > event and another event, say off-hook, and both have embedded=20 > descriptors? When off-hook occurs, any signal playing will stop and=20 > trigger the signal completion event. Whose embedded descriptor is now = > activated, that of the off-hook or that of the signal completion? > > Raphael Tryster > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > =20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From aytwbzn@im-electric.com Thu Apr 19 05:23:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeSrR-0006Ew-13 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:23:29 -0400 Received: from [121.162.26.129] (helo=b) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HeSrO-0004ZB-W5 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:23:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c78264$68009e80$0301a8c0@b> From: "Mirski Chris" To: "Traw Bennie" Subject: Look at this Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:23:35 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C78264.68009E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Scan-Signature: cbb41f2dbf0f142369614756642005e3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C78264.68009E80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C78264.68009E80" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C78264.68009E80 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hat to it in the most elegant style. perky"well,hastily fled. were being exchanged. upstairs, when the pudding is safely bouncing = games, miss celia sat in the porch to read redeem the vulgarity of doughnuts. of course the ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C78264.68009E80 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_20070419160213_11016-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 19 20:57:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HehRB-0003K7-Fy; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:57:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HehR9-0003Jy-OQ for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:57:19 -0400 Received: from omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.83.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HehR5-0008VX-LC for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:57:19 -0400 Received: from oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com ([139.168.4.62]) by omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070420005713.ZASY23363.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:57:13 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [139.168.4.62]) by oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070420005712.YIKC14664.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:57:12 +0000 Message-ID: <46280FEA.7040308@nteczone.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:57:14 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dani Stettiner Subject: Re: [Megaco] V3 question - ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag as extension parameter References: <7AF28661AC0E91428F0081E57E8947CD02057329@aclmsg.corp.audiocodes.com> In-Reply-To: <7AF28661AC0E91428F0081E57E8947CD02057329@aclmsg.corp.audiocodes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com from [139.168.4.62] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:57:10 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Dani, You need to look at 7.2.8.1.8 ExtensionParameter for the encoding. e.g. The structure of the value is defined by the following ABNF: X-SC = 1* (NAME EQUAL paramValue [COMMA]) The above structure replaced the "parmValue" component of the H.248.1 Annex B ABNF ( extension = extensionParameter parmValue). So the exact encoded form would be: X-SC=SIC=ON Regards, Christian Dani Stettiner wrote: > > Hi All , > > Section “*7.2.8.1.10 ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag” *says (among other > things) > > “When this flag is sent in an initial ServiceChange (H.248.1 Version 1) > > Command using the ServiceChange extension parameter "X-SC" the > following is used: > > *Name*: SIC > > *Type*: Boolean > > *Possible values*: ON: Flag included > > NOTE – The value OFF is not required as subsequent commands will be > H.248.1 Version 3 encoded.” > > What is the exact form of this parameter (in ABNF) when given as > extension in the first message? > > Would it be *X-SCSIC=ON?* > > MEGACO/1 [10.4.4.176]:2944 > > T=32545{ > > C = - { > > SC=ROOT{SV{ MT=RS,AD = 2944,V=3,PF=TGW/1, RE="901 MG Cold Boot", > > * X-SCSIC=ON* > > }}} > > thanks > > //Dan Stettiner/// > ///Software Engineer, R&D// > //H.248/MEGACO /// > > /Audiocodes > Email: dani.stettiner@audiocodes.com > > Tel. +972-3-9764415 > www.audiocodes.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 20 02:41:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hemoe-00078N-Tt; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:41:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hemoe-00076s-9j for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:41:56 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hemoc-0006GL-Vf for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:41:56 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so854426and for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:41:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pw0cdjsjWZwbQ7I91F6XjXJRAgIKSMCTJybU2MHKtTUvQlsuBICAIwAumOB8T547TGEhRUfq2kFod5CLz508PUx0JA5Q9HgZInKfPZNqub5SHUJuyVMuZbyp2Q0jz1Wqmk9KDtoZreyegWK9Jr51J+PY9turwvDFZa1XFnzdDQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QYo0SkdpT6LF+NpabHaagjn2Bm3Awr8nGy0JReoaBhTP0UVtOT2D7yfMBuiwf3qg3oBkzqQvvCWX3PF852ZhfHzfWoFvogv1UPwj9dNURYr5iI1LkLikyjaN1unL0CNiofPrA78vOxJdSpoMlgZS1z4Cm/k3yinCFjtMADddmuE= Received: by 10.100.120.5 with SMTP id s5mr1484195anc.1177051314440; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.9 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2b0fd4cb0704192341gfab4f16yc5e93e1d99ba351b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:11:53 +0530 From: "karthik prabhu Balakrishnan" To: megaco@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Subject: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0862681034==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============0862681034== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_160638_5262126.1177051313692" ------=_Part_160638_5262126.1177051313692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, I am new to this mailing group. I Have a doubt in Megaco. The call flows like this. Voiceline/1 calls Bratislava/2 Bratislava/2 answered. They are in speech. Now Bratislava/2 on-hooked. The Subtract command applied to remove rtp termination and bratislava/2 from the created context looks lilke T=46{C=2{S=*{AT{}}},C=-{MF=Bratislava/2{SG{},E=68{al/of{EM{SG{cg/dt},E=69{dd/ce{DigitMap=G_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=exact}}}, strict=exact}}}}} Voiceline/1 listens congestion tone since Bratislava/2 on-hooked. T=47{C=2{MF=Voiceline/1{SG{cg/ct},E=70{al/on{strict=failWrong}}}}} Now please note Subtract command applied for voiceline/1. T=48{C=2{S=*{AT{}}},C=-{MF=Voiceline/1{E=71{al/of{EM{SG{*srvtn/mwt* },E=72{dd/ce{DigitMap=G_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=exact}}}, *strict=failWrong*}}}}} >From my understanding, strict = failwrong for off hook scanning, will check if off-hook has occured. If not then applies the embedded token. But the originating subtract(T=46), exact off-hook is expected. Please let why is the terminating subtract different from originating subtract? PS:- voiceline/1 is subscribed to Message wait tone. Hence *srvtn/mwt *is applied. Thanks, karthik Prabhu ------=_Part_160638_5262126.1177051313692 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello all,
 I am new to this mailing group.
I Have a doubt  in Megaco.
The call flows like this.

Voiceline/1 calls Bratislava/2
Bratislava/2 answered.
They are in speech.
Now Bratislava/2 on-hooked.
The Subtract command applied to remove rtp termination  
and bratislava/2 from the created context looks lilke
T=46{C=2{S=*{AT{}}},C=-{MF=Bratislava/2{SG{},E=68{al/of{EM{SG{cg/dt},E=69{dd/ce{DigitMap=G_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=exact}}},
strict=exact}}}}}

Voiceline/1 listens congestion tone since Bratislava/2 on-hooked.
T=47{C=2{MF=Voiceline/1{SG{cg/ct},E=70{al/on{strict=failWrong}}}}}

Now please note Subtract command applied for voiceline/1.
T=48{C=2{S=*{AT{}}},C=-{MF=Voiceline/1{E=71{al/of{EM{SG{srvtn/mwt},E=72{dd/ce{DigitMap=G_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=exact}}},
strict=failWrong}}}}}

>From my understanding,
strict = failwrong for off hook scanning,
will check if off-hook has occured.
If not then applies the embedded token.
But the originating subtract(T=46), exact off-hook is expected.
Please let why is the terminating subtract different from originating subtract?

PS:- voiceline/1 is subscribed to Message wait tone.
Hence srvtn/mwt is applied.

Thanks,
karthik Prabhu ------=_Part_160638_5262126.1177051313692-- --===============0862681034== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============0862681034==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 20 05:40:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HepbN-0005J6-LG; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:40:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HepbM-0005Iu-Eh for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:40:24 -0400 Received: from trg.rontel.ru ([212.57.160.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HepbI-0007Gp-Bd for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:40:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 12424 invoked by uid 106); 20 Apr 2007 14:39:19 +0600 Received: from 91-151-38-15.skylink-chel.ru (HELO [91.151.38.15]) (91.151.38.15) by trg.rontel.ru (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:39:19 +0600 Message-ID: <46288A6C.2040403@rontel.ru> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:39:56 +0600 From: Dmitry Pavlenko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Subject: Re: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract References: <2b0fd4cb0704192341gfab4f16yc5e93e1d99ba351b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2b0fd4cb0704192341gfab4f16yc5e93e1d99ba351b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Karthik T=46{C=2{S=*{AT{}}}, S=* - means SUBTRACT ALL from this Context so this context disappears. But in the Transaction=47 you once again refer to the Context 2 which has already been destroyed in the previous transaction. regards, Dmitry Pavlenko karthik prabhu Balakrishnan wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this mailing group. > I Have a doubt in Megaco. > The call flows like this. > > Voiceline/1 calls Bratislava/2 > Bratislava/2 answered. > They are in speech. > Now Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > The Subtract command applied to remove rtp termination > and bratislava/2 from the created context looks lilke > T=46{C=2{S=*{AT{}}},C=-{MF=Bratislava/2{SG{},E=68{al/of{EM{SG{cg/dt},E=69{dd/ce{DigitMap=G_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=exact}}}, > strict=exact}}}}} > > Voiceline/1 listens congestion tone since Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > T=47{C=2{MF=Voiceline/1{SG{cg/ct},E=70{al/on{strict=failWrong}}}}} > > Now please note Subtract command applied for voiceline/1. > T=48{C=2{S=*{AT{}}},C=-{MF=Voiceline/1{E=71{al/of{EM{SG{*srvtn/mwt*},E=72{dd/ce{DigitMap=G_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=exact}}}, > > *strict=failWrong*}}}}} > > >From my understanding, > strict = failwrong for off hook scanning, > will check if off-hook has occured. > If not then applies the embedded token. > But the originating subtract(T=46), exact off-hook is expected. > Please let why is the terminating subtract different from originating > subtract? > > PS:- voiceline/1 is subscribed to Message wait tone. > Hence *srvtn/mwt *is applied. > > Thanks, > karthik Prabhu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > __________ Èíôîðìàöèÿ NOD32 2203 (20070419) __________ > > Ýòî ñîîáùåíèå ïðîâåðåíî Àíòèâèðóñíîé ñèñòåìîé NOD32. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From gneametzupe@napervillehaggertys.com Fri Apr 20 08:49:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HesY2-000258-4D for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:49:10 -0400 Received: from p5483e911.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.131.233.17] helo=mbQKqOlW1l) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HesY0-0006Mm-Iz for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c7834a$5cc80760$2102a8c0@p5483E911.dip.t-dialin.net> Reply-To: "Myriam" From: "Myriam" To: "Rigoberto Hunter" Subject: How things looing Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:49:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7834A.5CC80760" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 5ba9b8496764663b12c333825fbf6b3d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7834A.5CC80760 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C7834A.5CC80760" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C7834A.5CC80760 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable king, that the fat little man could not get out of his way. thump--bang! = came"you haven't seen my private expense bookby laughter, the watchers = went on, leaving the knight to rush away in despair, he does not come by tea-time, we will go and look after him. it seems to = mei 'll make a bargain with you," cried fanny, eagerly. 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Security) with ESMTP id 5E97E20754; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:50:07 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-aacefbb0000073d5-90-4628ef3ff5c3 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 35C6C20512; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw118.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.77]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:50:06 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:50:06 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46288A6C.2040403@rontel.ru> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Thread-Index: AceDL/OYAgtZ7eo+SnytQPOR00hbRwAN6mpw From: "Stephen Mell \(CV/ETL\)" To: "Dmitry Pavlenko" , "karthik prabhu Balakrishnan" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 16:50:06.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[F311AE30:01C7836B] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Dmitry, I think that Bratislava/2 and Voiceline/1 may be on different Gateways, = the fact that context=3D2 on both gateways is coincidental. Karthik, The failwrong means that transaction 47 fails and returns an error 540 = if the line is already OnHook. In this case it would NOT then go on to = apply an embedded descriptor (there is non present in transaction 47 = anyway), then entire command has failed and the cg/ct would NOT be = applied and the state of the line is completely unaltered. The MGC would not put a "failwrong" parameter against an al/on or al/off = when its in an embedded descriptor, because the MG cannot send an error = 540 when the descriptor is actually applied. The MG is only allowed to = send error 518 in an unsolicited manner (in a NOTIFY command). This is = probably why the al/on strict parameters differ when they appear in an = embed descriptor. If the MGC did put "failwrong" parameter into an embedded events = descriptor and the hook state was found to be inconsitent at the time = that events descriptor was applied, then the H.248 stack on the MG would = probably have to restart the line (if it had not already rejected = failwrong when parsing the original embedded events descriptor) The "exact" is OK is the embedded descriptors because the embedded = descriptor is applied locally on the MG in such a way that the window of = time for crossovers is reduced to zero, so the MGC does not need to = specify a stategy to deal with the crossover case, when embedding is = used. One thing that worries me is that the MGC primes for al/of without = giving the strict parameter, I don't think the "al" package states what = the default is for this parameter, so that it is open to interpretation = by the MG. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Pavlenko [mailto:dpavlenko@rontel.ru]=20 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:40 To: karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Hello Karthik T=3D46{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}}, S=3D* - means SUBTRACT ALL from this Context so this context disappears. But in the Transaction=3D47 you once again refer to the Context 2 which = has already been destroyed in the previous transaction. regards, Dmitry Pavlenko karthik prabhu Balakrishnan wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this mailing group. > I Have a doubt in Megaco. > The call flows like this. > > Voiceline/1 calls Bratislava/2 > Bratislava/2 answered. > They are in speech. > Now Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > The Subtract command applied to remove rtp termination and=20 > bratislava/2 from the created context looks lilke=20 > = T=3D46{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}},C=3D-{MF=3DBratislava/2{SG{},E=3D68{al/of{EM{SG= {cg/dt},E > =3D69{dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=3Dexact}}}, > strict=3Dexact}}}}} > > Voiceline/1 listens congestion tone since Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > = T=3D47{C=3D2{MF=3DVoiceline/1{SG{cg/ct},E=3D70{al/on{strict=3DfailWrong}}= }}} > > Now please note Subtract command applied for voiceline/1. > = T=3D48{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}},C=3D-{MF=3DVoiceline/1{E=3D71{al/of{EM{SG{*srvt= n/mwt*},E > =3D72{dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=3Dexact}}}, > > *strict=3DfailWrong*}}}}} > > >From my understanding, > strict =3D failwrong for off hook scanning, will check if off-hook has = > occured. > If not then applies the embedded token. > But the originating subtract(T=3D46), exact off-hook is expected. > Please let why is the terminating subtract different from originating=20 > subtract? > > PS:- voiceline/1 is subscribed to Message wait tone. > Hence *srvtn/mwt *is applied. > > Thanks, > karthik Prabhu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > __________ =C8=ED=F4=EE=F0=EC=E0=F6=E8=FF NOD32 2203 (20070419) = __________ > > =DD=F2=EE =F1=EE=EE=E1=F9=E5=ED=E8=E5 =EF=F0=EE=E2=E5=F0=E5=ED=EE = =C0=ED=F2=E8=E2=E8=F0=F3=F1=ED=EE=E9 =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=EE=E9 NOD32. > http://www.eset.com > > =20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 20 12:57:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HewQA-0001PQ-1L; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:57:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HewQ9-0001PK-Cb for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HewQ7-00049I-N3 for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 13F992010A; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:57:15 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b01efbb0000061ca-fa-4628f0eaf4c4 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id F2D20216A6; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:57:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw118.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.77]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:57:14 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:57:14 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Thread-Index: AceDL/OYAgtZ7eo+SnytQPOR00hbRwAN6mpwAAEylOA= From: "Stephen Mell \(CV/ETL\)" To: "Dmitry Pavlenko" , "karthik prabhu Balakrishnan" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 16:57:14.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[F209E5B0:01C7836C] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d16ce744298aacf98517bc7c108bd198 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Correction on last point. In H.248v3 Annex E the default for the al/on, al/off strict parameter is = now given as "exact", however it was missing from H.248v2 So if you working in v2 it's a good idea for MGC to specify the value of = the strict parameter (treat as mandatory). Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) [mailto:stephen.mell@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 17:50 To: Dmitry Pavlenko; karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Dmitry, I think that Bratislava/2 and Voiceline/1 may be on different Gateways, = the fact that context=3D2 on both gateways is coincidental. Karthik, The failwrong means that transaction 47 fails and returns an error 540 = if the line is already OnHook. In this case it would NOT then go on to = apply an embedded descriptor (there is non present in transaction 47 = anyway), then entire command has failed and the cg/ct would NOT be = applied and the state of the line is completely unaltered. The MGC would not put a "failwrong" parameter against an al/on or al/off = when its in an embedded descriptor, because the MG cannot send an error = 540 when the descriptor is actually applied. The MG is only allowed to = send error 518 in an unsolicited manner (in a NOTIFY command). This is = probably why the al/on strict parameters differ when they appear in an = embed descriptor. If the MGC did put "failwrong" parameter into an embedded events = descriptor and the hook state was found to be inconsitent at the time = that events descriptor was applied, then the H.248 stack on the MG would = probably have to restart the line (if it had not already rejected = failwrong when parsing the original embedded events descriptor) The "exact" is OK is the embedded descriptors because the embedded = descriptor is applied locally on the MG in such a way that the window of = time for crossovers is reduced to zero, so the MGC does not need to = specify a stategy to deal with the crossover case, when embedding is = used. One thing that worries me is that the MGC primes for al/of without = giving the strict parameter, I don't think the "al" package states what = the default is for this parameter, so that it is open to interpretation = by the MG. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Pavlenko [mailto:dpavlenko@rontel.ru] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:40 To: karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Hello Karthik T=3D46{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}}, S=3D* - means SUBTRACT ALL from this Context so this context disappears. But in the Transaction=3D47 you once again refer to the Context 2 which = has already been destroyed in the previous transaction. regards, Dmitry Pavlenko karthik prabhu Balakrishnan wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this mailing group. > I Have a doubt in Megaco. > The call flows like this. > > Voiceline/1 calls Bratislava/2 > Bratislava/2 answered. > They are in speech. > Now Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > The Subtract command applied to remove rtp termination and > bratislava/2 from the created context looks lilke=20 > = T=3D46{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}},C=3D-{MF=3DBratislava/2{SG{},E=3D68{al/of{EM{SG= {cg/dt},E > =3D69{dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=3Dexact}}}, > strict=3Dexact}}}}} > > Voiceline/1 listens congestion tone since Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > = T=3D47{C=3D2{MF=3DVoiceline/1{SG{cg/ct},E=3D70{al/on{strict=3DfailWrong}}= }}} > > Now please note Subtract command applied for voiceline/1. > = T=3D48{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}},C=3D-{MF=3DVoiceline/1{E=3D71{al/of{EM{SG{*srvt= n/mwt*},E > =3D72{dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=3Dexact}}}, > > *strict=3DfailWrong*}}}}} > > >From my understanding, > strict =3D failwrong for off hook scanning, will check if off-hook has = > occured. > If not then applies the embedded token. > But the originating subtract(T=3D46), exact off-hook is expected. > Please let why is the terminating subtract different from originating=20 > subtract? > > PS:- voiceline/1 is subscribed to Message wait tone. > Hence *srvtn/mwt *is applied. > > Thanks, > karthik Prabhu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > __________ =C8=ED=F4=EE=F0=EC=E0=F6=E8=FF NOD32 2203 (20070419) = __________ > > =DD=F2=EE =F1=EE=EE=E1=F9=E5=ED=E8=E5 =EF=F0=EE=E2=E5=F0=E5=ED=EE = =C0=ED=F2=E8=E2=E8=F0=F3=F1=ED=EE=E9 =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=EE=E9 NOD32. > http://www.eset.com > > =20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 20 13:37:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hex2f-0007kf-C3; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:37:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hex2e-0007iD-Fu for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:37:04 -0400 Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com ([47.140.192.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hex2d-00044C-4P for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:37:04 -0400 Received: from zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.89]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l3KHaxC29860; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:59 GMT Received: from [47.130.18.180] ([47.130.18.180] RDNS failed) by zcarhxs1.corp.nortel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:36:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4628FA0C.2010603@nortel.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:36:12 -0400 From: "Tom-PT Taylor" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Groves Subject: Re: [Megaco] V3 question - ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag as extension parameter References: <7AF28661AC0E91428F0081E57E8947CD02057329@aclmsg.corp.audiocodes.com> <46280FEA.7040308@nteczone.com> In-Reply-To: <46280FEA.7040308@nteczone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 17:36:57.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EA23AE0:01C78372] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by zrtps0kp.nortel.com id l3KHaxC29860 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: megaco@ietf.org, Dani Stettiner X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org That ABNF doesn't look right. Making the comma optional means that if it=20 omitted, you have the paramValue potentially concatenated with a succeedi= ng NAME. Christian Groves wrote: > Hello Dani, >=20 > You need to look at 7.2.8.1.8 ExtensionParameter for the encoding. e.g.= =20 > The structure of the value is defined > by the following ABNF: X-SC =3D 1* (NAME EQUAL paramValue [COMMA]) >=20 > The above structure replaced the "parmValue" component of the H.248.1=20 > Annex B ABNF ( > extension =3D extensionParameter parmValue). >=20 > So the exact encoded form would be: > X-SC=3DSIC=3DON >=20 > Regards, Christian >=20 > Dani Stettiner wrote: >> Hi All , >> >> Section =93*7.2.8.1.10 ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag=94 *says (among oth= er=20 >> things) >> >> =93When this flag is sent in an initial ServiceChange (H.248.1 Version= 1) >> >> Command using the ServiceChange extension parameter "X-SC" the=20 >> following is used: >> >> *Name*: SIC >> >> *Type*: Boolean >> >> *Possible values*: ON: Flag included >> >> NOTE =96 The value OFF is not required as subsequent commands will be=20 >> H.248.1 Version 3 encoded.=94 >> >> What is the exact form of this parameter (in ABNF) when given as=20 >> extension in the first message? >> >> Would it be *X-SCSIC=3DON?* >> >> MEGACO/1 [10.4.4.176]:2944 >> >> T=3D32545{ >> >> C =3D - { >> >> SC=3DROOT{SV{ MT=3DRS,AD =3D 2944,V=3D3,PF=3DTGW/1, RE=3D"901 MG Cold = Boot", >> >> * X-SCSIC=3DON* >> >> }}} >> >> thanks >> >> //Dan Stettiner/// >> ///Software Engineer, R&D// >> //H.248/MEGACO /// >> >> /Audiocodes >> Email: dani.stettiner@audiocodes.com=20 >> >> Tel. +972-3-9764415 >> www.audiocodes.com >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Megaco mailing list >> Megaco@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >> =20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >=20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From informaticaeuro@mynet.com Fri Apr 20 15:39:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Heywq-0000Ik-E9 for megaco-archive@LISTS.IETF.ORG; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:39:12 -0400 Received: from [212.101.97.113] (helo=zeus.mynet.com.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Heywp-0005Hm-KY for megaco-archive@LISTS.IETF.ORG; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:39:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 27497 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2007 19:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (212.101.97.161) by 192.168.36.113 with SMTP; 20 Apr 2007 19:24:00 -0000 Received: from 84.126.78.184 by webmail161.mynet.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:39:08 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3868.84.126.78.184.1177097948.mynet@webmail161.mynet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:39:08 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Informacion: From: "informaticaeuro" X-Mailer: Mynet WebMailer X-Sender-IP: 84.126.78.184 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;charset=ISO-8859-9;boundary="----=_20070420223908_42749" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac ------=_20070420223908_42749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Be informed that Your email account attached to Ref:EUR/15012007.& Batch:QJ0083645ES Winning Nº: 27-19-29-36-45 / (05-06) bonus ball Ticket Nº: 85820. 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------=_20070420223908_42749-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Sun Apr 22 12:34:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hff1Q-0002q4-Jq; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:34:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hff1P-0002pz-66 for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:34:43 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hff1M-0000Gw-68 for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:34:43 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E748B20455; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:34:36 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ac51ebb0000073d5-7c-462b8e9c679b Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id CB211203E3; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw118.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.77]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:34:36 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Thread-Index: AceDL/OYAgtZ7eo+SnytQPOR00hbRwAN6mpwAAEylOAAYbkcwA== From: "Stephen Mell \(CV/ETL\)" To: "karthik prabhu Balakrishnan" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2007 16:34:36.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DA0C910:01C784FC] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bcd240e64c427d3d3617cfc704e7fd7f Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Karthik, Apologies, I did not read Transaction 48 properly. There are no al/on or al/of = requested events without an explicit state parameter. The "al/of" event in T=3D48 has both an embed descriptor (containing = events and signals) and a "failwrong" parameter: T=3D48 { C=3D2 { S=3D* { AT{} } }, C=3D- { MF=3DVoiceline/1 { E=3D71 { al/of { EM { SG { srvtn/mwt }, E=3D72 { dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP}, al/on{strict=3Dexact} } }, * strict=3DfailWrong * } } } } } The same reasoning still applies though. If a command fails on the MG = then the termination is left completely unchanged, as commands are = considered to be "atomic" instructions in H.248, so that all parts of it = are applied or no part of it is applied. The MGC forces the MG to fail = the modify command with error 540 when the MG finds that the = termination's hook state is already OffHook, and in that case the = terminations previous event descriptor "E=3D70" would still be in force = after the error 540 has been issued. If the termination is OnHook when = the modify is received then the new priming "al/of" in E=3D71 is = applied. The embedded events desciptor "E=3D72" is only applied after = the termination subsequently goes offHook.=20 The embedding should definitely should not be applied at the point the = Modify fails with error 540 (when the termination is already offHook). = If the MGC vendor expects that behaviour, then they are wrong to do so = (to acheieve that they should use * strict=3Dstate *) Its not immediately obvious (to me at least) why the al/of strict = parameter is "failwrong" for Voiceline/1 in T=3D48 and "exact" for = Bratislava/2 in T=3D46. I can't see why the MGC would wish to know about = a state mismatch on one line but not the other. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) [mailto:stephen.mell@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 17:57 To: Dmitry Pavlenko; karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Correction on last point. In H.248v3 Annex E the default for the al/on, al/off strict parameter is = now given as "exact", however it was missing from H.248v2 So if you = working in v2 it's a good idea for MGC to specify the value of the = strict parameter (treat as mandatory). Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Mell (CV/ETL) [mailto:stephen.mell@ericsson.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 17:50 To: Dmitry Pavlenko; karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Dmitry, I think that Bratislava/2 and Voiceline/1 may be on different Gateways, = the fact that context=3D2 on both gateways is coincidental. Karthik, The failwrong means that transaction 47 fails and returns an error 540 = if the line is already OnHook. In this case it would NOT then go on to = apply an embedded descriptor (there is non present in transaction 47 = anyway), then entire command has failed and the cg/ct would NOT be = applied and the state of the line is completely unaltered. The MGC would not put a "failwrong" parameter against an al/on or al/off = when its in an embedded descriptor, because the MG cannot send an error = 540 when the descriptor is actually applied. The MG is only allowed to = send error 518 in an unsolicited manner (in a NOTIFY command). This is = probably why the al/on strict parameters differ when they appear in an = embed descriptor. If the MGC did put "failwrong" parameter into an embedded events = descriptor and the hook state was found to be inconsitent at the time = that events descriptor was applied, then the H.248 stack on the MG would = probably have to restart the line (if it had not already rejected = failwrong when parsing the original embedded events descriptor) The "exact" is OK is the embedded descriptors because the embedded = descriptor is applied locally on the MG in such a way that the window of = time for crossovers is reduced to zero, so the MGC does not need to = specify a stategy to deal with the crossover case, when embedding is = used. One thing that worries me is that the MGC primes for al/of without = giving the strict parameter, I don't think the "al" package states what = the default is for this parameter, so that it is open to interpretation = by the MG. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Pavlenko [mailto:dpavlenko@rontel.ru] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:40 To: karthik prabhu Balakrishnan Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] doubt on Originating and Terminating Suntract Hello Karthik T=3D46{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}}, S=3D* - means SUBTRACT ALL from this Context so this context disappears. But in the Transaction=3D47 you once again refer to the Context 2 which = has already been destroyed in the previous transaction. regards, Dmitry Pavlenko karthik prabhu Balakrishnan wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this mailing group. > I Have a doubt in Megaco. > The call flows like this. > > Voiceline/1 calls Bratislava/2 > Bratislava/2 answered. > They are in speech. > Now Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > The Subtract command applied to remove rtp termination and > bratislava/2 from the created context looks lilke=20 > = T=3D46{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}},C=3D-{MF=3DBratislava/2{SG{},E=3D68{al/of{EM{SG= {cg/dt},E > =3D69{dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=3Dexact}}}, > strict=3Dexact}}}}} > > Voiceline/1 listens congestion tone since Bratislava/2 on-hooked. > = T=3D47{C=3D2{MF=3DVoiceline/1{SG{cg/ct},E=3D70{al/on{strict=3DfailWrong}}= }}} > > Now please note Subtract command applied for voiceline/1. > = T=3D48{C=3D2{S=3D*{AT{}}},C=3D-{MF=3DVoiceline/1{E=3D71{al/of{EM{SG{*srvt= n/mwt*},E > =3D72{dd/ce{DigitMap=3DG_DGT_MAP},al/on{strict=3Dexact}}}, > > *strict=3DfailWrong*}}}}} > > >From my understanding, > strict =3D failwrong for off hook scanning, will check if off-hook has = > occured. > If not then applies the embedded token. > But the originating subtract(T=3D46), exact off-hook is expected. > Please let why is the terminating subtract different from originating=20 > subtract? > > PS:- voiceline/1 is subscribed to Message wait tone. > Hence *srvtn/mwt *is applied. > > Thanks, > karthik Prabhu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > __________ =C8=ED=F4=EE=F0=EC=E0=F6=E8=FF NOD32 2203 (20070419) = __________ > > =DD=F2=EE =F1=EE=EE=E1=F9=E5=ED=E8=E5 =EF=F0=EE=E2=E5=F0=E5=ED=EE = =C0=ED=F2=E8=E2=E8=F0=F3=F1=ED=EE=E9 =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=EE=E9 NOD32. > http://www.eset.com > > =20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 23 00:05:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfpo0-0006wz-0J; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:05:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfpnw-0006wl-Ot for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:05:32 -0400 Received: from omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.93.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfpnr-0006E2-Io for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:05:32 -0400 Received: from oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com ([58.166.2.109]) by omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070423040525.PSHC25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com>; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:05:25 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [58.166.2.109]) by oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070423040524.PSIK21236.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:05:24 +0000 Message-ID: <462C0A50.1060302@nteczone.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:22:24 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom-PT Taylor Subject: Re: [Megaco] V3 question - ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag as extension parameter References: <7AF28661AC0E91428F0081E57E8947CD02057329@aclmsg.corp.audiocodes.com> <46280FEA.7040308@nteczone.com> <4628FA0C.2010603@nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <4628FA0C.2010603@nortel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com from [58.166.2.109] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:05:23 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db Cc: megaco@ietf.org, Dani Stettiner X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Yes it could be cleaned up to ensure the comma is included. Something for the IG and/or H.248.1v4. Christian Tom-PT Taylor wrote: > That ABNF doesn't look right. Making the comma optional means that if > it omitted, you have the paramValue potentially concatenated with a > succeeding NAME. > > Christian Groves wrote: >> Hello Dani, >> >> You need to look at 7.2.8.1.8 ExtensionParameter for the encoding. >> e.g. The structure of the value is defined >> by the following ABNF: X-SC = 1* (NAME EQUAL paramValue [COMMA]) >> >> The above structure replaced the "parmValue" component of the H.248.1 >> Annex B ABNF ( >> extension = extensionParameter parmValue). >> >> So the exact encoded form would be: >> X-SC=SIC=ON >> >> Regards, Christian >> >> Dani Stettiner wrote: >>> Hi All , >>> >>> Section “*7.2.8.1.10 ServiceChangeIncompleteFlag” *says (among other >>> things) >>> >>> “When this flag is sent in an initial ServiceChange (H.248.1 Version 1) >>> >>> Command using the ServiceChange extension parameter "X-SC" the >>> following is used: >>> >>> *Name*: SIC >>> >>> *Type*: Boolean >>> >>> *Possible values*: ON: Flag included >>> >>> NOTE – The value OFF is not required as subsequent commands will be >>> H.248.1 Version 3 encoded.” >>> >>> What is the exact form of this parameter (in ABNF) when given as >>> extension in the first message? >>> >>> Would it be *X-SCSIC=ON?* >>> >>> MEGACO/1 [10.4.4.176]:2944 >>> >>> T=32545{ >>> >>> C = - { >>> >>> SC=ROOT{SV{ MT=RS,AD = 2944,V=3,PF=TGW/1, RE="901 MG Cold Boot", >>> >>> * X-SCSIC=ON* >>> >>> }}} >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> //Dan Stettiner/// >>> ///Software Engineer, R&D// >>> //H.248/MEGACO /// >>> >>> /Audiocodes >>> Email: dani.stettiner@audiocodes.com >>> >>> Tel. +972-3-9764415 >>> www.audiocodes.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Megaco mailing list >>> Megaco@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Megaco mailing list >> Megaco@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco >> > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From impepsiiandby@ananiapage.com Mon Apr 23 08:26:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfxco-0005Qd-Ir for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:26:34 -0400 Received: from pd957f1d9.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.87.241.217]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfxcg-0000X5-At for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:26:34 -0400 Received: from szdnryjgit ([192.22.39.54]) by mail.ananiapage.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c785a2$e5a4fde0$1402a8c0@pd957f1d9.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Jody" To: "Mina Hill" Subject: Thanks again Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:28:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C785A2.E5A4FDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 2b2ad76aced9b1d558e34a970a85c027 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C785A2.E5A4FDE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C785A2.E5A4FDE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C785A2.E5A4FDE0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable polly gave sydney an indignant look=A1=A1mrs. bates, and she says that = her boy jimmy told her he bought this and rose in the other, for the = little girl, whom they had all loved able to do some thing well. and that = we must work until we succeed. polly gave sydney an indignant look polly gave sydney an indignant look = "let him think the bouquet was for you; his manly form, and = torn=A1=A1"look here, read it! i'm "look here, read it! i'm=A1=A1"i don't," returned the scarecrow. 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megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:46:30 -0400 Received: from wsk ([62.43.230.96]) by mdngpi with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:46:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c7850e$84e5af70$60e62b3e@wsk> From: "Frost N. Neville" To: Subject: comply Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:46:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7851F.48699D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 559439f19b20fd64c5cd872aef84c6f3 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7851F.48699D70 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001C_01C7851F.486AD5F0" ------=_NextPart_001_001C_01C7851F.486AD5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone with a web site based in Canada should consult with their tax = advisors to determine their position on GST. 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Examples include the = need for information security to protect against the loss of = information, as well as preventing access to it by unauthorized people. = Now that IE7 makes RSS feeds easier to use, more people will be = introduced to blogs. And if RIM had given out more details and expectations for repair times = earlier, and they turned out to be wrong - I'll bet they would have been = chastised for getting it wrong. In the end, Godin came to an agreement = with the publisher that allowed the publisher to continue to print the = book, but with clear attribution as to its origin. While Creative Common = licences are a refreshing change from the traditional use of copyright = laws, authors must think their desires through carefully when making = those choices. Perhaps the fact that we pay more has something to do with it as well. ------=_NextPart_001_001C_01C7851F.486AD5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Anyone with a web site based in Canada = should=20 consult with their tax advisors to determine their position on = GST.
Anyone with a web site based in Canada = should=20 consult with their tax advisors to determine their position on GST. that = talks about=20 the proposed Canadian private members bill intended to rid the Net of = offending=20 stuff.
David Canton is a business lawyer and = trade-mark=20 agent with a technology focus at Harrison Pensa LLP. But those = expectations are=20 often unrealistic. It was the registrar's position its request for = I.
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How, for example, was RIM supposed to = immediately=20 tell customers exactly what the problem was and how long it would be = before it was=20 fixed?
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0, or Internet innovation is one of = those. " If=20 even Viacom is unable to police its own content correctly, how can they = claim that=20 it's no problem for Google?
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I find the reactions to the outage=20 interesting.
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:42:17 -0300 Message-ID: <000301c78633$5175d7c0$bef415c9@grupoa3b69d915> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 4.0 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i514111_Bmv8ZQ2.gif Immense gains I find it more convenient to predefine the combinations F1, F2, and F3 with Ctrl + left shift. From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 24 04:45:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgGeH-0001TV-Ox; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:45:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgGeF-0001TE-WC for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:45:20 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.247]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgGeC-0004pH-6w for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:45:19 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so2296328and for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:45:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; 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Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgLbO-0001R7-Si for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:02:42 -0400 Received: from pd958ccd9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.88.204.217]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgLbM-0008Lk-RW for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:02:42 -0400 Received: from jpspxvldrz ([192.42.85.24]) by mail.[%MY_HOST%] with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:02:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c78679$37922d40$15b2a8c0@pD958CCD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> From: "Nelson Jackie" To: "Turiansky Wayne" Subject: Funny thing. 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Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:06:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgMbF-0008Px-S9 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:06:37 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgMbD-000080-V6 for megaco@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:06:37 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l3OF6USu030412; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:06:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001084297@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> To: "Drage, Keith \(Keith\)" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:06:29 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/24/2007 17:06:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 233de1b21593fc0f4cdf285406dca0da Cc: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG, megaco@ietf.org, Christian Groves Subject: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org [Like to open a separate thread on compatibility rules for H.248, think= this is a more general topic in comparison to the Ia specific IP realm indication mechanism.] Keith, thanks for the pointer to Q.1400, believe that the clause about compatibility rules is a good baseline for correspondent definitions fo= r H.248. I think additional explicit text about compatibility rules in H.248.1, = e.g. in clause 12, would be beneficial. We may not directly reuse Q.1400 for H.248 (in my understanding) becaus= e a) Q.1400 is for ASN.1 defined protocols (and H.248 has also ANBF defin= ed grammar for text encoding mode), b) Q.1400 focus is SS7 and DSS1, or c) H.248 integrated version/profile mechanisms. Christian, think that your proposal is a good baseline. Could you submi= t it as input to next Q.3/16 meeting? Albrecht = =20 "Drage, Keith = =20 \(Keith\)" To: "Schwarz, Albre= cht \(Albrecht\)" , =20 =20 ucent.com> cc: = =20 Subject: RE: H.248 Ia Pr= ofile Version 2 =20 24.04.2007 12:07 = =20 = =20 The compatibility definitions in ITU-T are all in Q.1400. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:08 AM > To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > Bruno > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability > > for version n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. This is usually what > > is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards dealing with signalling.= > > Couldn't find any appropriate definition for "backward > compatibility" in ITU-T & ETSI (like the one for codecs from H.262). > > There are signalling protocols with and without a version > negotiation mechanism. The understanding of "backward > compatibility" might be slightly different for both > categories. Guess the protocols without a version negotiation > method are the majority like the capability set based ITU-T > protocols like e.g. INAP, BICC or Q.2630.x. > H.248 belongs to the category with an > a) integral mechanism for protocol version negotiation and in > addition a > b) mechanism for profile negotiation > and also > c) a multi profile mode capability (H.248.18). > > The used protocol capabilities are related to the lifetime of > the H.248 Control Association (CA), starting the negotiation > at CA establishment. > Capability upgrade procedures may lead to a re-new or > re-establishment of the CA. > > A definition for "backward compatibility" for H.248 CAs might > therefore different to other protocols without such mechanisms. > > We got four WIs for H.248 Profiles, - a MG registration with > the correspondent ProfileID is part of a profile specification. > Saying that, the meaning of backward compatibility in the WI > description means that the MG registers with Ia/2 in my opinion. > In case of a fallback requirement to Ia/1, then current draft > my be extended for H.248.18 support (but this requires a > contribution). > > Albrecht > > > > > > > > Christian Groves > > > TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > ECZONE.COM> cc: > > > Subject: > Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > 23.04.2007 09:55 > > > Please respond to > > > Christian Groves > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bruno, > > What does "ability for version n+1 to understand version n" > mean? Even in the scenario we are talking about a MG with a > version n+1 control association will understand the version n > message because the encoding has not changed (thus backwards > compatible by the definition below) but it will reject it > because of new required functionality. Likewise it seems that > "before version negotiation" has been prompted by the email > discussion. For some, such mechanisms are integral for > compatibility mechanisms. > > Do you have a reference to a general description of "backwards > compatibility"? The term is used alot but I don't know any > description > other than that in H.248.1. For example H.248.1 section 11.3 > Negotiation of Protocol Version offers rules for new versions. ie. > > /When extending the protocol with new versions, the > following rules > should be followed:/ > /1) Existing protocol elements, i.e., procedures, parameters, > descriptor, property, values, should/ > /not be changed unless a protocol error needs to be > corrected or it > becomes necessary to/ > /change the operation of the service that is being > supported by the > protocol./ > /2) The semantics of a command, a parameter, a descriptor, a > property, or a value should not be/ > /changed./ > /3) Established rules for formatting and encoding messages and > parameters should not be/ > /modified./ > /4) When information elements are found to be obsolete they can b= e > marked as not used./ > /However, the identifier for that information element > will be marked > as reserved. In that way/ > /it cannot be used in future versions./ > > These rules were adopted to ensure backwards compatibility. I > think these rules are equally applicable to the case of > profiles. When the MGC and MG agree on the use of a control > association they agree on the > H.248.1 version and the profile (including version). > > Regards, Christian > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > Hello Chirstian, > > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability for version > n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. > This is usually what is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI > standards dealing with signalling. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bruno > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@NTECZONE.COM] > > Envoy=E9 : lundi 23 avril 2007 02:58 > > =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > Objet : Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > > > Hello Bruno, > > > > What was the definition of "backward compatibility" that > the work item > description assumed? It seems that people have different > interpretations. > > > > Regards, Christian > > > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > > >> This is version negotiation, not backward compatibility.... Both > approaches are valid protocol design approaches and have > their pros and cons. However, the Work Item description > assumed "backward compatibility between version 1 and 2... > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@HUAWEI.COM] Envoy=E9 : vendredi = 20 > >> avril 2007 04:09 =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : Re: H.248 = Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Agree Albrecht's state. > >> When a BGF registers with a ProfileID "ETSI_BGF/1" 0r > >> "ETSI_BGF/2", > corresponding ia profile(ia/2 or ia/1) should be applied. > >> I think the Profile-based backward compatibility > between ia/2 and > ia/1 is based on their functions. Ia/2 can realize all the > functions of Ia/1, but new better methods can be used, even > it is mandatory. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE]= > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:50 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> [Sorry for using your initials as abbreviation BC for backward > >> compatibility :-)] > >> > >> I do agree to your statement. > >> > >> Important here is the "scope of the protocol" in my understanding.= > >> There would be a compatibility issue when the SPDF & BGF would > >> operate > Ia interface in the "NoProfile" mode, i.e. the BGF would not > include the ServiceChangeProfile parameter for registration. > >> But the protocol scope is limited when registering with a > ProfileID > >> (as > in case of ES 283 018). There are then only "ETSI_BGF/1" or > "ETSI_BGF/2" > >> H.248 Messages between a single SPDF-BGF tandem. > >> > >> I think that this is the crucial point concerning "protcol > scope" for > >> H.248 > >> interface: "Profile-less" vs "Profile-based" operated H.248 Contro= l > Associations. > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS" To: > "Neal > >> ZhuNing" , > >> >> > >> > >> tgroup.com> > Subject: RE: H.248 > Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 12:28 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Adding a mandatory parameter to version n+1 of a protocol > means that > >> a > message conforming to the version n of this protocol is not a > valid message for an implementation conforming to version n+1 > of this protocol. Is not this a compatobility issue? > >> > >> BC > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@huawei.com] Envoy=E9 : > jeudi 19 avril > >> 2007 11:55 =C0 : Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE; CHATRAS Bruno= > >> RD-CORE-ISS Cc : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : RE: H.248 Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Hi Albrecht, Bruno, > >> In Ia/1, the hierarchical termination name does not specificall= y > mention that it is used to identify the IP domain that a > termination is connected to, nor does it give an example of > the syntax associated with the "interface". So maybe there is > no backward compatibility on this issue. > >> In Ia/2, the hierarchical termination name may still be used to > specify which physical or logical interface a termination > should be associated with in the MG. > >> So, the hierarchical termination name mechanism is same in Ia/1 an= d > Ia/2, there is no backward compatibility problem. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE]= > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:21 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Bruno, > >> when we discussed this, we couldn't see a violation of the backwar= d > compatibility (BC) principle. > >> The MG is registering either with Ia/1 or Ia/2, but not with both > profile versions (like in a multiple profile mode), the used > IP realm/domain indication mechanism is unambiguous. > >> The profile principle is thus supporting BC targets. > >> A single H.248 Control Association is either operated with > Ia/1 or Ia/2. > >> > >> Do I overlook sth? > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> PS > >> Above principle is/may also used for other "capability upgrades", > >> like H.248.10 replacement by H.248.11 in a next profile > version, etc > >> etc > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS To: > >> TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> > >> >> > >> TGROUP.COM> > Subject: H.248 Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 11:12 > >> > >> Please respond to > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ray, Wayne, > >> > >> I just had a look to the Latest Draft of WI03098 (Ia > profile Release > >> 2) > and saw that support of the new IPDC package is mandatory > rather than optional. > >> This contradicts the Work Item description which says > explictly that > "The Ia profile version 2 shall maintain backwards > compatibility with version 1." The meeting reports says that > adding the IPDC package was indeed agreed but does not say > whether it should be mandatory or optional. > I believe that we should either make this package optional or > made an attempt to modify the Work Item description. I assume > we can't approve a deliverable which explicitly contradicts a > Work Item description. > >> > >> BTW, what is the procedure for TB approval of this modification. > >> There > does not seem to be any CR corresponding to this modification > (just a contribution). > >> > >> Best regards > >> Bruno > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the > following url : > >> > >> > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= > > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > = _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From senkoyed@portillolalli.com Tue Apr 24 16:12:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgRMr-0000Sd-B8 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:12:05 -0400 Received: from 85-250-196-50.bb.netvision.net.il ([85.250.196.50] helo=yke3IH65) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgRMp-0005kP-8E for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c786ac$c2b8b410$0100000a@asus-59cd513bc5> Reply-To: "Frederica" From: "Frederica" To: "Camellia Harrison" Subject: How's work. 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was all very delightful till she got home, and was alone; then, on = looking into  to his own devices. so, stifling a natural regret = at the thought of the home  peter can swim but mary can't.
what then=3F' asked mrs jo, feeling like a girl again as she listened to = the answers,         

of room. i'll lend you a hand." a trick of being generous to their = enemies," said jo, with a look that mademany pleasures, except that of = charity, and worked so hard that i fear he shortenedf: they began to = dance
i'll tell you how they both learned to be wiser. the elder prince soon = found  the saw-horse moved, stretched its legs, yawned with its = chopped-out mouth,  to her party. i could have forgiven the = caramels, but to be left out in that
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"that was the miracle, and patienceand discomfort, trying meantime to = seem quite easy and gay.blown away the temporary irritability. the = brothers were often called "thunder"we are all going up to bethlehem. we = take the seashore one year and
it.  rooms after nine o'clock, never went out alone, and were = expected to behave  a cluster of white roses out of her bosom = to make room for the pansies,
pushing his cap back, and glancing about him as if he loved old = plum         

i so excited, and the whole thing so comical.late anxiety with great = constancy and courage. they seemed so cozy,work, as shall seem best. we = all need much preparation for the good"well,
this it was that caused such  skill before the young ladies, = and there was no more quiet that day.  to see that miss kate, = though twenty, was dressed with a simplicity
of queen jinjur -- how mombi the witch had been captured; how = she         
to outsiders that was a very hard-workingand with instinctive loyalty she = obeyed it, even while she seemedintelligence which deepened his = perplexity. "you have not learnedout, "all serene! coming in tonight."
and then crept up the back way, hoping to make it all right with = polly.  a corner, he brought up, after a brisk rummage, a = silken cushion,  "better lie down, then."
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the expected letter, glanced at the writing, post-mark and = stamp, with     a companionable cry, unite the = consolations of all the rest for womankind;   appeared to have retraced its steps, leaving the tender woman of a = year    
moss, because life had been dull for her during the year she had = takenfriendly confidante the fire, and till late into the night sat = thinking    that you should know whom you are = helping," said christie, when the table  
"oh, me, how tiredher, but as soon as the bitter sobbing quieted she = looked up and said quite  hold tight." suggest. but = christie needed rest, longed for freedom, and felt that = in  thinks herself." for two or three of my pupils come to me," explained polly.i must go at = something right off, he said, 'anything honest, tom, and = don't    and a frugal fit would ensue, during which = the poor man was put through
man living than i am for your kindness to my poor forsaken little = feller,"to show its unexpected capabilities by hooking the cloth off the = table   is absent templateto punish him for the slight put = upon her beloved uncle.
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c1b4fb3c-ac51ebb0000073d5-3e-462f0c19fef1 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id F0296205D2; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw106.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.69]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:06:48 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:06:47 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 Thread-Index: AceGgnS/hhUzoz9BQYSk0llajTex2QAio/uQ References: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001084297@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> From: "Jerker Zetterlund \(TN/EAB\)" To: , "Drage, Keith \(Keith\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 08:06:48.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC9BB2E0:01C78710] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 210770d71723b650f9c8e3db4e95b596 Cc: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG, megaco@ietf.org, Christian Groves X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello, I agree the question of compatibility between profile versions needs to = be clarified. H.248.1 is not very clear on the meaning of different = versions of a profile. Annex F does not say how profile version = negotiation should work and 11.3 talks about protocol version negotation = but does not say anything about profile version negotiation. If the = intention of H.248.1 is that profile version negotiation should work the = same way as protocol version negotiation then I think this needs to be = made more clear in H.248.1. My understanding of profile versions is that backwards compatibility is = required for the purpose of in-service upgrade. But I don't see a need = for general backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility for upgrade = means that e.g. termination name structure cannot be changed between two = versions of a profile, but mandatory packages can be added. (I think = this is why we added the new ipdc/realm property to Ia v2 but did not = remove the field from the termination ID.) The whole idea with using profiles is that both ends use the same set of = optional parts of the protocol so that interoperability is ensured. The = more precise a profile is, the better the interoperability can be = expected to work. So I think it is reasonable to say that if a profile = shall be used, both ends must support the same version. This approach = keeps down the flexibility of the profiles and should make = interoperability easier once a common profile with common version has = been agreed. And this is why a profile is used in the first place. As Albrecht pointed out earlier, H.248.18 can be used if multiple = different profiles are supported and negotiation is needed. H.248.18 = also includes version of each profile so it can be used for profile = version negotaition. BR Jerker -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de = [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de]=20 Sent: den 24 april 2007 17:06 To: Drage, Keith (Keith) Cc: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG; megaco@ietf.org; Christian Groves Subject: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile = Version 2 [Like to open a separate thread on compatibility rules for H.248, think = this is a more general topic in comparison to the Ia specific IP realm = indication mechanism.] Keith, thanks for the pointer to Q.1400, believe that the clause about = compatibility rules is a good baseline for correspondent definitions for = H.248. I think additional explicit text about compatibility rules in H.248.1, = e.g. in clause 12, would be beneficial. We may not directly reuse Q.1400 for H.248 (in my understanding) because a) Q.1400 is for ASN.1 defined protocols (and H.248 has also ANBF = defined grammar for text encoding mode), b) Q.1400 focus is SS7 and DSS1, or c) H.248 integrated version/profile mechanisms. Christian, think that your proposal is a good baseline. Could you submit = it as input to next Q.3/16 meeting? Albrecht = =20 "Drage, Keith = =20 \(Keith\)" To: "Schwarz, = Albrecht \(Albrecht\)" , =20 = =20 ucent.com> cc: = =20 Subject: RE: H.248 Ia = Profile Version 2 =20 24.04.2007 12:07 = =20 = =20 The compatibility definitions in ITU-T are all in Q.1400. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:08 AM > To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > Bruno > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability > > for version n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. This is usually what > > is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards dealing with signalling. > > Couldn't find any appropriate definition for "backward compatibility"=20 > in ITU-T & ETSI (like the one for codecs from H.262). > > There are signalling protocols with and without a version negotiation=20 > mechanism. The understanding of "backward compatibility" might be=20 > slightly different for both categories. Guess the protocols without a=20 > version negotiation method are the majority like the capability set=20 > based ITU-T protocols like e.g. INAP, BICC or Q.2630.x. > H.248 belongs to the category with an > a) integral mechanism for protocol version negotiation and in addition = > a > b) mechanism for profile negotiation > and also > c) a multi profile mode capability (H.248.18). > > The used protocol capabilities are related to the lifetime of the=20 > H.248 Control Association (CA), starting the negotiation at CA=20 > establishment. > Capability upgrade procedures may lead to a re-new or re-establishment = > of the CA. > > A definition for "backward compatibility" for H.248 CAs might=20 > therefore different to other protocols without such mechanisms. > > We got four WIs for H.248 Profiles, - a MG registration with the=20 > correspondent ProfileID is part of a profile specification. > Saying that, the meaning of backward compatibility in the WI=20 > description means that the MG registers with Ia/2 in my opinion. > In case of a fallback requirement to Ia/1, then current draft my be=20 > extended for H.248.18 support (but this requires a contribution). > > Albrecht > > > > > > > > Christian Groves > > > TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > ECZONE.COM> cc: > > > Subject: > Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > 23.04.2007 09:55 > > > Please respond to > > > Christian Groves > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bruno, > > What does "ability for version n+1 to understand version n" > mean? Even in the scenario we are talking about a MG with a version=20 > n+1 control association will understand the version n message because=20 > the encoding has not changed (thus backwards compatible by the=20 > definition below) but it will reject it because of new required=20 > functionality. Likewise it seems that "before version negotiation" has = > been prompted by the email discussion. For some, such mechanisms are=20 > integral for compatibility mechanisms. > > Do you have a reference to a general description of "backwards > compatibility"? The term is used alot but I don't know any > description > other than that in H.248.1. For example H.248.1 section 11.3=20 > Negotiation of Protocol Version offers rules for new versions. ie. > > /When extending the protocol with new versions, the following=20 > rules > should be followed:/ > /1) Existing protocol elements, i.e., procedures, parameters, > descriptor, property, values, should/ > /not be changed unless a protocol error needs to be corrected or=20 > it > becomes necessary to/ > /change the operation of the service that is being supported by=20 > the > protocol./ > /2) The semantics of a command, a parameter, a descriptor, a > property, or a value should not be/ > /changed./ > /3) Established rules for formatting and encoding messages and > parameters should not be/ > /modified./ > /4) When information elements are found to be obsolete they can be > marked as not used./ > /However, the identifier for that information element will be=20 > marked > as reserved. In that way/ > /it cannot be used in future versions./ > > These rules were adopted to ensure backwards compatibility. I think=20 > these rules are equally applicable to the case of profiles. When the=20 > MGC and MG agree on the use of a control association they agree on the > H.248.1 version and the profile (including version). > > Regards, Christian > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > Hello Chirstian, > > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability for version > n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. > This is usually what is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards=20 > dealing with signalling. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bruno > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@NTECZONE.COM] > > Envoy=E9 : lundi 23 avril 2007 02:58 > > =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > Objet : Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > > > Hello Bruno, > > > > What was the definition of "backward compatibility" that > the work item > description assumed? It seems that people have different=20 > interpretations. > > > > Regards, Christian > > > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > > >> This is version negotiation, not backward compatibility.... Both > approaches are valid protocol design approaches and have their pros=20 > and cons. However, the Work Item description assumed "backward=20 > compatibility between version 1 and 2... > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@HUAWEI.COM] Envoy=E9 : vendredi = 20=20 > >> avril 2007 04:09 =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : Re: H.248 = Ia=20 > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Agree Albrecht's state. > >> When a BGF registers with a ProfileID "ETSI_BGF/1" 0r=20 > >> "ETSI_BGF/2", > corresponding ia profile(ia/2 or ia/1) should be applied. > >> I think the Profile-based backward compatibility > between ia/2 and > ia/1 is based on their functions. Ia/2 can realize all the functions=20 > of Ia/1, but new better methods can be used, even it is mandatory. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:50 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> [Sorry for using your initials as abbreviation BC for backward=20 > >> compatibility :-)] > >> > >> I do agree to your statement. > >> > >> Important here is the "scope of the protocol" in my understanding. > >> There would be a compatibility issue when the SPDF & BGF would=20 > >> operate > Ia interface in the "NoProfile" mode, i.e. the BGF would not include=20 > the ServiceChangeProfile parameter for registration. > >> But the protocol scope is limited when registering with a > ProfileID > >> (as > in case of ES 283 018). There are then only "ETSI_BGF/1" or=20 > "ETSI_BGF/2" > >> H.248 Messages between a single SPDF-BGF tandem. > >> > >> I think that this is the crucial point concerning "protcol > scope" for > >> H.248 > >> interface: "Profile-less" vs "Profile-based" operated H.248 Control > Associations. > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS" To: > "Neal > >> ZhuNing" , > >> >> > >> > >> tgroup.com> > Subject: RE: H.248 > Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 12:28 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Adding a mandatory parameter to version n+1 of a protocol > means that > >> a > message conforming to the version n of this protocol is not a valid=20 > message for an implementation conforming to version n+1 of this=20 > protocol. Is not this a compatobility issue? > >> > >> BC > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@huawei.com] Envoy=E9 : > jeudi 19 avril > >> 2007 11:55 =C0 : Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE; CHATRAS Bruno=20 > >> RD-CORE-ISS Cc : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : RE: H.248 Ia=20 > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Hi Albrecht, Bruno, > >> In Ia/1, the hierarchical termination name does not specifically > mention that it is used to identify the IP domain that a termination=20 > is connected to, nor does it give an example of the syntax associated=20 > with the "interface". So maybe there is no backward compatibility on=20 > this issue. > >> In Ia/2, the hierarchical termination name may still be used to > specify which physical or logical interface a termination should be=20 > associated with in the MG. > >> So, the hierarchical termination name mechanism is same in Ia/1 and > Ia/2, there is no backward compatibility problem. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:21 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Bruno, > >> when we discussed this, we couldn't see a violation of the backward > compatibility (BC) principle. > >> The MG is registering either with Ia/1 or Ia/2, but not with both > profile versions (like in a multiple profile mode), the used IP=20 > realm/domain indication mechanism is unambiguous. > >> The profile principle is thus supporting BC targets. > >> A single H.248 Control Association is either operated with > Ia/1 or Ia/2. > >> > >> Do I overlook sth? > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> PS > >> Above principle is/may also used for other "capability upgrades",=20 > >> like H.248.10 replacement by H.248.11 in a next profile > version, etc > >> etc > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS To: > >> TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> > >> >> > >> TGROUP.COM> > Subject: H.248 Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 11:12 > >> > >> Please respond to > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ray, Wayne, > >> > >> I just had a look to the Latest Draft of WI03098 (Ia > profile Release > >> 2) > and saw that support of the new IPDC package is mandatory rather than=20 > optional. > >> This contradicts the Work Item description which says > explictly that > "The Ia profile version 2 shall maintain backwards compatibility with=20 > version 1." The meeting reports says that adding the IPDC package was = > indeed agreed but does not say whether it should be mandatory or=20 > optional. > I believe that we should either make this package optional or made an=20 > attempt to modify the Work Item description. I assume we can't approve = > a deliverable which explicitly contradicts a Work Item description. > >> > >> BTW, what is the procedure for TB approval of this modification. > >> There > does not seem to be any CR corresponding to this modification (just a=20 > contribution). > >> > >> Best regards > >> Bruno > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the > following url : > >> > >> > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 25 16:01:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgngT-0005tp-38; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:01:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgngS-0005tk-Cs for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:01:48 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgngQ-0004kk-8I for megaco@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:01:48 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l3PK1hEi027186; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:01:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 To: "Jerker Zetterlund \(TN/EAB\)" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:01:40 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/25/2007 22:01:43 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7b4956e5f2f9c5fe16a8fbd4ddb538bc Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org >My understanding of profile versions is that backwards compatibility i= s required for the purpose of in-service >upgrade. But I don't see a need= for general backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility for upgrade me= ans that Jerker, I do agree that "in-service" upgrade will be one of the key asp= ects concerning backward/forward compatibility. Like to share some initial thoughts on this subject: Q1 Is this related to the ServiceState of the ROOT Termination only (i.e., ROOT remains in ServiceState =3D IS during upgrade), or do we've= to consider non-ROOT Terminations in addition? Q2 Is it all related to ServiceState of Terminations, or just to the= Control Association (CA)? Q3 If CA: there isn't so far any state model for the CA, i.e. what d= oes "in-service" means from CA perspective? Q4 Assuming ROOT and non-ROOT terminations to be considered, there m= ight be a difference between ephemeral-only MGs and MGs with a NULL Context.= Q5 "In-service upgrades" for non-ROOT terminations: this is firstly = an implementation issue, if an implementation has problems, one mitigation= possibility might be to use periods with a) a minimum of ephemeral terminations in-service, b) a maximum of physical terminations in the Null Context or/and c) putting the Null Context terminations in OoS state during an "upgrad= e procedure", i.e., using a period with a minimum of active calls or bearer connectio= ns respectively. Q6 Capability upgrade: there might be differences between a "major upgrade" and a "minor upgrade" (leaving firstly definitions for major a= nd minor aside)? Note: a definition could be based on "H.248 Context processing", i.e. "minor" allows a continuation of operations for existing and/or new Contexts, whereas "major" does suppose that not new Context could be created, or even that existing Contexts must be released before an upgr= ade procedure. Q7 Is there a requirement for "stable Context preservation" during "in-service upgrades"? ... which translates to "stable call preservatio= n" and "stable bearer preservation" on MGC and MG level respectively. Q7 Let's consider following scenario: there are N active Contexts at= the point of time of upgrade, and there is a requirement for stable context= preservation, when the Context was established with a version k protocol/profile, and must be again successfully relased with version k= +1 elements. =3D> the more I think about the "Q7 scenario" (taking into account significant data structure changes like TerminationIDs), the more I think it's technically feasible, thus "just" an implementation issue= . =3D> I fail to see how we could argue from protocol point of view ag= ainst "implementation issues"? Might be a too theoretical view ... Q8 Finally: difference between "Q.1400 entities" and "H.248 entities= " =3D> my understanding: Q.1400 is supposing that a version k node = may continue to operate with a version k+1 node after capability upgrades =3D> whereas in case of H.248: there is an explicit mutual agreem= ent between both nodes to continue with version k+1 after a successfull upg= rade ("the mutual agreement relates to the successfully processed ServiceCha= nge procedures concerning "service change") Just some initial thoughts. (I'm still optimistic that we could find us= eful text for compatibility rules for H.248 :-). Albrecht = =20 "Jerker Zetterlund = =20 \(TN/EAB\)" To: , "Drage, Keith \(Keith\)" =20 =20 icsson.com> cc: TISPAN_WG3= @LIST.ETSI.ORG, megaco@ietf.org, Christian Groves =20 =20 25.04.2007 10:06 Subject: RE: [Megac= o] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 =20 = =20 Hello, I agree the question of compatibility between profile versions needs to= be clarified. H.248.1 is not very clear on the meaning of different versio= ns of a profile. Annex F does not say how profile version negotiation shou= ld work and 11.3 talks about protocol version negotation but does not say anything about profile version negotiation. If the intention of H.248.1= is that profile version negotiation should work the same way as protocol version negotiation then I think this needs to be made more clear in H.248.1. My understanding of profile versions is that backwards compatibility is= required for the purpose of in-service upgrade. But I don't see a need = for general backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility for upgrade me= ans that e.g. termination name structure cannot be changed between two vers= ions of a profile, but mandatory packages can be added. (I think this is why= we added the new ipdc/realm property to Ia v2 but did not remove the field from the termination ID.) The whole idea with using profiles is that both ends use the same set o= f optional parts of the protocol so that interoperability is ensured. The= more precise a profile is, the better the interoperability can be expec= ted to work. So I think it is reasonable to say that if a profile shall be used, both ends must support the same version. This approach keeps down= the flexibility of the profiles and should make interoperability easier onc= e a common profile with common version has been agreed. And this is why a profile is used in the first place. As Albrecht pointed out earlier, H.248.18 can be used if multiple diffe= rent profiles are supported and negotiation is needed. H.248.18 also include= s version of each profile so it can be used for profile version negotaiti= on. BR Jerker -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] Sent: den 24 april 2007 17:06 To: Drage, Keith (Keith) Cc: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG; megaco@ietf.org; Christian Groves Subject: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Vers= ion 2 [Like to open a separate thread on compatibility rules for H.248, think= this is a more general topic in comparison to the Ia specific IP realm indication mechanism.] Keith, thanks for the pointer to Q.1400, believe that the clause about compatibility rules is a good baseline for correspondent definitions fo= r H.248. I think additional explicit text about compatibility rules in H.248.1, = e.g. in clause 12, would be beneficial. We may not directly reuse Q.1400 for H.248 (in my understanding) becaus= e a) Q.1400 is for ASN.1 defined protocols (and H.248 has also ANBF defin= ed grammar for text encoding mode), b) Q.1400 focus is SS7 and DSS1, or c) H.248 integrated version/profile mechanisms. Christian, think that your proposal is a good baseline. Could you submi= t it as input to next Q.3/16 meeting? Albrecht "Drage, Keith \(Keith\)" To: "Schwarz, Albre= cht \(Albrecht\)" , ucent.com> cc: Subject: RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 24.04.2007 12:07 The compatibility definitions in ITU-T are all in Q.1400. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:08 AM > To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > Bruno > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability > > for version n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. This is usually what > > is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards dealing with signalling.= > > Couldn't find any appropriate definition for "backward compatibility"= > in ITU-T & ETSI (like the one for codecs from H.262). > > There are signalling protocols with and without a version negotiation= > mechanism. The understanding of "backward compatibility" might be > slightly different for both categories. Guess the protocols without a= > version negotiation method are the majority like the capability set > based ITU-T protocols like e.g. INAP, BICC or Q.2630.x. > H.248 belongs to the category with an > a) integral mechanism for protocol version negotiation and in additio= n > a > b) mechanism for profile negotiation > and also > c) a multi profile mode capability (H.248.18). > > The used protocol capabilities are related to the lifetime of the > H.248 Control Association (CA), starting the negotiation at CA > establishment. > Capability upgrade procedures may lead to a re-new or re-establishmen= t > of the CA. > > A definition for "backward compatibility" for H.248 CAs might > therefore different to other protocols without such mechanisms. > > We got four WIs for H.248 Profiles, - a MG registration with the > correspondent ProfileID is part of a profile specification. > Saying that, the meaning of backward compatibility in the WI > description means that the MG registers with Ia/2 in my opinion. > In case of a fallback requirement to Ia/1, then current draft my be > extended for H.248.18 support (but this requires a contribution). > > Albrecht > > > > > > > > Christian Groves > > > TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > ECZONE.COM> cc: > > > Subject: > Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > 23.04.2007 09:55 > > > Please respond to > > > Christian Groves > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bruno, > > What does "ability for version n+1 to understand version n" > mean? Even in the scenario we are talking about a MG with a version > n+1 control association will understand the version n message because= > the encoding has not changed (thus backwards compatible by the > definition below) but it will reject it because of new required > functionality. Likewise it seems that "before version negotiation" ha= s > been prompted by the email discussion. For some, such mechanisms are > integral for compatibility mechanisms. > > Do you have a reference to a general description of "backwards > compatibility"? The term is used alot but I don't know any > description > other than that in H.248.1. For example H.248.1 section 11.3 > Negotiation of Protocol Version offers rules for new versions. ie. > > /When extending the protocol with new versions, the following > rules > should be followed:/ > /1) Existing protocol elements, i.e., procedures, parameters, > descriptor, property, values, should/ > /not be changed unless a protocol error needs to be corrected or > it > becomes necessary to/ > /change the operation of the service that is being supported by > the > protocol./ > /2) The semantics of a command, a parameter, a descriptor, a > property, or a value should not be/ > /changed./ > /3) Established rules for formatting and encoding messages and > parameters should not be/ > /modified./ > /4) When information elements are found to be obsolete they can b= e > marked as not used./ > /However, the identifier for that information element will be > marked > as reserved. In that way/ > /it cannot be used in future versions./ > > These rules were adopted to ensure backwards compatibility. I think > these rules are equally applicable to the case of profiles. When the > MGC and MG agree on the use of a control association they agree on th= e > H.248.1 version and the profile (including version). > > Regards, Christian > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > Hello Chirstian, > > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability for version > n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. > This is usually what is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards > dealing with signalling. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bruno > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@NTECZONE.COM] > > Envoy=E9 : lundi 23 avril 2007 02:58 > > =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > Objet : Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > > > Hello Bruno, > > > > What was the definition of "backward compatibility" that > the work item > description assumed? It seems that people have different > interpretations. > > > > Regards, Christian > > > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > > >> This is version negotiation, not backward compatibility.... Both > approaches are valid protocol design approaches and have their pros > and cons. However, the Work Item description assumed "backward > compatibility between version 1 and 2... > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@HUAWEI.COM] Envoy=E9 : vendredi = 20 > >> avril 2007 04:09 =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : Re: H.248 = Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Agree Albrecht's state. > >> When a BGF registers with a ProfileID "ETSI_BGF/1" 0r > >> "ETSI_BGF/2", > corresponding ia profile(ia/2 or ia/1) should be applied. > >> I think the Profile-based backward compatibility > between ia/2 and > ia/1 is based on their functions. Ia/2 can realize all the functions > of Ia/1, but new better methods can be used, even it is mandatory. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE]= > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:50 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> [Sorry for using your initials as abbreviation BC for backward > >> compatibility :-)] > >> > >> I do agree to your statement. > >> > >> Important here is the "scope of the protocol" in my understanding.= > >> There would be a compatibility issue when the SPDF & BGF would > >> operate > Ia interface in the "NoProfile" mode, i.e. the BGF would not include > the ServiceChangeProfile parameter for registration. > >> But the protocol scope is limited when registering with a > ProfileID > >> (as > in case of ES 283 018). There are then only "ETSI_BGF/1" or > "ETSI_BGF/2" > >> H.248 Messages between a single SPDF-BGF tandem. > >> > >> I think that this is the crucial point concerning "protcol > scope" for > >> H.248 > >> interface: "Profile-less" vs "Profile-based" operated H.248 Contro= l > Associations. > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS" To: > "Neal > >> ZhuNing" , > >> >> > >> > >> tgroup.com> > Subject: RE: H.248 > Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 12:28 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Adding a mandatory parameter to version n+1 of a protocol > means that > >> a > message conforming to the version n of this protocol is not a valid > message for an implementation conforming to version n+1 of this > protocol. Is not this a compatobility issue? > >> > >> BC > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@huawei.com] Envoy=E9 : > jeudi 19 avril > >> 2007 11:55 =C0 : Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE; CHATRAS Bruno= > >> RD-CORE-ISS Cc : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : RE: H.248 Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Hi Albrecht, Bruno, > >> In Ia/1, the hierarchical termination name does not specificall= y > mention that it is used to identify the IP domain that a termination > is connected to, nor does it give an example of the syntax associated= > with the "interface". So maybe there is no backward compatibility on > this issue. > >> In Ia/2, the hierarchical termination name may still be used to > specify which physical or logical interface a termination should be > associated with in the MG. > >> So, the hierarchical termination name mechanism is same in Ia/1 an= d > Ia/2, there is no backward compatibility problem. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE]= > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:21 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Bruno, > >> when we discussed this, we couldn't see a violation of the backwar= d > compatibility (BC) principle. > >> The MG is registering either with Ia/1 or Ia/2, but not with both > profile versions (like in a multiple profile mode), the used IP > realm/domain indication mechanism is unambiguous. > >> The profile principle is thus supporting BC targets. > >> A single H.248 Control Association is either operated with > Ia/1 or Ia/2. > >> > >> Do I overlook sth? > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> PS > >> Above principle is/may also used for other "capability upgrades", > >> like H.248.10 replacement by H.248.11 in a next profile > version, etc > >> etc > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS To: > >> TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> > >> >> > >> TGROUP.COM> > Subject: H.248 Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 11:12 > >> > >> Please respond to > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ray, Wayne, > >> > >> I just had a look to the Latest Draft of WI03098 (Ia > profile Release > >> 2) > and saw that support of the new IPDC package is mandatory rather than= > optional. > >> This contradicts the Work Item description which says > explictly that > "The Ia profile version 2 shall maintain backwards compatibility with= > version 1." The meeting reports says that adding the IPDC package wa= s > indeed agreed but does not say whether it should be mandatory or > optional. > I believe that we should either make this package optional or made an= > attempt to modify the Work Item description. I assume we can't approv= e > a deliverable which explicitly contradicts a Work Item description. > >> > >> BTW, what is the procedure for TB approval of this modification. > >> There > does not seem to be any CR corresponding to this modification (just a= > contribution). > >> > >> Best regards > >> Bruno > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the > following url : > >> > >> > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url := > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= > > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco = _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From spantzoexfr@jeopardy.dev.java.net Thu Apr 26 01:41:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgwjP-0005ek-FD for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:41:27 -0400 Received: from [60.48.167.147] (helo=WzlL3KRId9) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgwjN-0008Gy-3I for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c787c5$82f28f30$2200a8c0@tm.net.my> Reply-To: "Kali Bradley" From: "Kali Bradley" To: "Melina" Subject: Great stuff. 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Faccio parte di un gruppo clandestino che si oppone all’invasione della terra, mentreHo cercato di dar tregua alla mia mente con la meditazione ma, non è così facile sottrarsi al dono, From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 27 04:12:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhLZC-0004DS-AF; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:12:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhLZA-00049H-KG for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:12:32 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhLZ7-0005Eh-S8 for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:12:32 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 205C2217D7; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:12:29 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-af9eebb0000061ca-53-4631b06d4948 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id F33562178D; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:12:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw106.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.69]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:12:28 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:12:27 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 Thread-Index: AceHdI/L8SovuWqxTr+ZdQVHKsxymAAqdJJA References: From: "Jerker Zetterlund \(TN/EAB\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2007 08:12:28.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC1F7950:01C788A3] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: eb4c5242518af073df6fe45f0d1cde3e Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Albrecht, "In-service" upgrade probably can have various meanings in various = situations. I had a scenario in mind where MGC and MG are independently = upgraded with new functionality (and therefore must step up the profile = version used) while beeing in-service or just experiencing a brief stop = in processing SIP and/or H.248. Once the MG upgrade is completed, the MG = would issue a Root ServiceChange with a new profile version to indicate = the new capabilities. If the MGC has already been upgraded and supports = the new higher profile version, the control association will make use of = the higher profile version. Based on this scenario I'll give you my views on your thoughts below. Jerker -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de = [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de]=20 Sent: den 25 april 2007 22:02 To: Jerker Zetterlund (TN/EAB) Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile = Version 2 >My understanding of profile versions is that backwards compatibility is required for the purpose of in-service >upgrade. But I don't see a need = for general backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility for upgrade = means that Jerker, I do agree that "in-service" upgrade will be one of the key = aspects concerning backward/forward compatibility. Like to share some initial thoughts on this subject: Q1 Is this related to the ServiceState of the ROOT Termination only (i.e., ROOT remains in ServiceState =3D IS during upgrade), or do we've = to consider non-ROOT Terminations in addition? [JZ] The non-ROOT terminations should keep their ServiceStates, and = maybe the ROOT should do that as well. Q2 Is it all related to ServiceState of Terminations, or just to the Control Association (CA)? [JZ] I think it could either be mapped to ServiceStates of ROOT or = alternatively to service state of CA. I guess there are pros and cons of = both approaches. Q3 If CA: there isn't so far any state model for the CA, i.e. what = does "in-service" means from CA perspective? [JZ] Good question. It could be connected to the behaviour of the = transport layer or of H.248 layer. Q4 Assuming ROOT and non-ROOT terminations to be considered, there = might be a difference between ephemeral-only MGs and MGs with a NULL Context. [JZ] I don't think non-ROOT terminations should be considered. Q5 "In-service upgrades" for non-ROOT terminations: this is firstly = an implementation issue, if an implementation has problems, one mitigation = possibility might be to use periods with a) a minimum of ephemeral terminations in-service, b) a maximum of physical terminations in the Null Context or/and c) putting the Null Context terminations in OoS state during an "upgrade = procedure", i.e., using a period with a minimum of active calls or = bearer connections respectively. Q6 Capability upgrade: there might be differences between a "major upgrade" and a "minor upgrade" (leaving firstly definitions for major = and minor aside)? Note: a definition could be based on "H.248 Context processing", i.e. "minor" allows a continuation of operations for existing and/or new = Contexts, whereas "major" does suppose that not new Context could be = created, or even that existing Contexts must be released before an = upgrade procedure. [JZ] If existing contexts need to be released before the updgrade = procedure, then the upgrade does not fit into the meaning of in-service = upgrade as I mentioned at top.=20 Q7 Is there a requirement for "stable Context preservation" during "in-service upgrades"? ... which translates to "stable call = preservation" and "stable bearer preservation" on MGC and MG level respectively. [JZ] Yes, I think so. Q7 Let's consider following scenario: there are N active Contexts at = the point of time of upgrade, and there is a requirement for stable context = preservation, when the Context was established with a version k = protocol/profile, and must be again successfully relased with version = k+1 elements. =3D> the more I think about the "Q7 scenario" (taking into account significant data structure changes like TerminationIDs), the more I think it's technically feasible, thus "just" an implementation issue. =3D> I fail to see how we could argue from protocol point of view = against "implementation issues"? Might be a too theoretical view ... [JZ] I agree this type of upgrade may be complicated from an = implementation point of view. And as you say, it is crucial that data = structures are kept. Q8 Finally: difference between "Q.1400 entities" and "H.248 entities" =3D> my understanding: Q.1400 is supposing that a version k node = may continue to operate with a version k+1 node after capability = upgrades =3D> whereas in case of H.248: there is an explicit mutual = agreement between both nodes to continue with version k+1 after a = successfull upgrade ("the mutual agreement relates to the successfully = processed ServiceChange procedures concerning "service change") [JZ] For H.248 profiles, I think this was our interpretation in the = drafting session in TISPAN in March. But I think this is what we would = need to get clarified. Just some initial thoughts. (I'm still optimistic that we could find = useful text for compatibility rules for H.248 :-). [JZ] Yes, there are many aspects on this... I think it would be really = good if we could get a set of rules for this! Albrecht = =20 "Jerker Zetterlund = =20 \(TN/EAB\)" To: = , "Drage, Keith \(Keith\)" = =20 = =20 icsson.com> cc: = TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG, megaco@ietf.org, Christian Groves = =20 = = =20 25.04.2007 10:06 Subject: RE: = [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 = =20 = =20 Hello, I agree the question of compatibility between profile versions needs to = be clarified. H.248.1 is not very clear on the meaning of different = versions of a profile. Annex F does not say how profile version = negotiation should work and 11.3 talks about protocol version negotation = but does not say anything about profile version negotiation. If the = intention of H.248.1 is that profile version negotiation should work the = same way as protocol version negotiation then I think this needs to be = made more clear in H.248.1. My understanding of profile versions is that backwards compatibility is = required for the purpose of in-service upgrade. But I don't see a need = for general backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility for upgrade = means that e.g. termination name structure cannot be changed between two = versions of a profile, but mandatory packages can be added. (I think = this is why we added the new ipdc/realm property to Ia v2 but did not = remove the field from the termination ID.) The whole idea with using profiles is that both ends use the same set of = optional parts of the protocol so that interoperability is ensured. The = more precise a profile is, the better the interoperability can be = expected to work. So I think it is reasonable to say that if a profile = shall be used, both ends must support the same version. This approach = keeps down the flexibility of the profiles and should make = interoperability easier once a common profile with common version has = been agreed. And this is why a profile is used in the first place. As Albrecht pointed out earlier, H.248.18 can be used if multiple = different profiles are supported and negotiation is needed. H.248.18 = also includes version of each profile so it can be used for profile = version negotaition. BR Jerker -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] Sent: den 24 april 2007 17:06 To: Drage, Keith (Keith) Cc: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG; megaco@ietf.org; Christian Groves Subject: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile = Version 2 [Like to open a separate thread on compatibility rules for H.248, think = this is a more general topic in comparison to the Ia specific IP realm = indication mechanism.] Keith, thanks for the pointer to Q.1400, believe that the clause about = compatibility rules is a good baseline for correspondent definitions for = H.248. I think additional explicit text about compatibility rules in H.248.1, = e.g. in clause 12, would be beneficial. We may not directly reuse Q.1400 for H.248 (in my understanding) because a) Q.1400 is for ASN.1 defined protocols (and H.248 has also ANBF = defined grammar for text encoding mode), b) Q.1400 focus is SS7 and DSS1, or c) H.248 integrated version/profile mechanisms. Christian, think that your proposal is a good baseline. Could you submit = it as input to next Q.3/16 meeting? Albrecht "Drage, Keith \(Keith\)" To: "Schwarz, = Albrecht \(Albrecht\)" , ucent.com> cc: Subject: RE: H.248 Ia = Profile Version 2 24.04.2007 12:07 The compatibility definitions in ITU-T are all in Q.1400. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:08 AM > To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > Bruno > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability > > for version n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. This is usually what > > is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards dealing with signalling. > > Couldn't find any appropriate definition for "backward compatibility" > in ITU-T & ETSI (like the one for codecs from H.262). > > There are signalling protocols with and without a version negotiation=20 > mechanism. The understanding of "backward compatibility" might be=20 > slightly different for both categories. Guess the protocols without a=20 > version negotiation method are the majority like the capability set=20 > based ITU-T protocols like e.g. INAP, BICC or Q.2630.x. > H.248 belongs to the category with an > a) integral mechanism for protocol version negotiation and in addition = > a > b) mechanism for profile negotiation > and also > c) a multi profile mode capability (H.248.18). > > The used protocol capabilities are related to the lifetime of the > H.248 Control Association (CA), starting the negotiation at CA=20 > establishment. > Capability upgrade procedures may lead to a re-new or re-establishment = > of the CA. > > A definition for "backward compatibility" for H.248 CAs might=20 > therefore different to other protocols without such mechanisms. > > We got four WIs for H.248 Profiles, - a MG registration with the=20 > correspondent ProfileID is part of a profile specification. > Saying that, the meaning of backward compatibility in the WI=20 > description means that the MG registers with Ia/2 in my opinion. > In case of a fallback requirement to Ia/1, then current draft my be=20 > extended for H.248.18 support (but this requires a contribution). > > Albrecht > > > > > > > > Christian Groves > > > TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > ECZONE.COM> cc: > > > Subject: > Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > 23.04.2007 09:55 > > > Please respond to > > > Christian Groves > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bruno, > > What does "ability for version n+1 to understand version n" > mean? Even in the scenario we are talking about a MG with a version > n+1 control association will understand the version n message because > the encoding has not changed (thus backwards compatible by the=20 > definition below) but it will reject it because of new required=20 > functionality. Likewise it seems that "before version negotiation" has = > been prompted by the email discussion. For some, such mechanisms are=20 > integral for compatibility mechanisms. > > Do you have a reference to a general description of "backwards > compatibility"? The term is used alot but I don't know any > description > other than that in H.248.1. For example H.248.1 section 11.3=20 > Negotiation of Protocol Version offers rules for new versions. ie. > > /When extending the protocol with new versions, the following=20 > rules > should be followed:/ > /1) Existing protocol elements, i.e., procedures, parameters, > descriptor, property, values, should/ > /not be changed unless a protocol error needs to be corrected or=20 > it > becomes necessary to/ > /change the operation of the service that is being supported by=20 > the > protocol./ > /2) The semantics of a command, a parameter, a descriptor, a > property, or a value should not be/ > /changed./ > /3) Established rules for formatting and encoding messages and > parameters should not be/ > /modified./ > /4) When information elements are found to be obsolete they can be > marked as not used./ > /However, the identifier for that information element will be=20 > marked > as reserved. In that way/ > /it cannot be used in future versions./ > > These rules were adopted to ensure backwards compatibility. I think=20 > these rules are equally applicable to the case of profiles. When the=20 > MGC and MG agree on the use of a control association they agree on the > H.248.1 version and the profile (including version). > > Regards, Christian > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > Hello Chirstian, > > > > My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item > description was intended to refer to the ability for version > n+1 to understand version n without requiring version > negotiation to occur before. > This is usually what is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards=20 > dealing with signalling. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bruno > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@NTECZONE.COM] > > Envoy=E9 : lundi 23 avril 2007 02:58 > > =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > > Objet : Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > > > Hello Bruno, > > > > What was the definition of "backward compatibility" that > the work item > description assumed? It seems that people have different=20 > interpretations. > > > > Regards, Christian > > > > CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: > > > >> This is version negotiation, not backward compatibility.... Both > approaches are valid protocol design approaches and have their pros=20 > and cons. However, the Work Item description assumed "backward=20 > compatibility between version 1 and 2... > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@HUAWEI.COM] Envoy=E9 : vendredi = 20=20 > >> avril 2007 04:09 =C0 : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : Re: H.248 = Ia=20 > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Agree Albrecht's state. > >> When a BGF registers with a ProfileID "ETSI_BGF/1" 0r=20 > >> "ETSI_BGF/2", > corresponding ia profile(ia/2 or ia/1) should be applied. > >> I think the Profile-based backward compatibility > between ia/2 and > ia/1 is based on their functions. Ia/2 can realize all the functions=20 > of Ia/1, but new better methods can be used, even it is mandatory. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:50 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> [Sorry for using your initials as abbreviation BC for backward=20 > >> compatibility :-)] > >> > >> I do agree to your statement. > >> > >> Important here is the "scope of the protocol" in my understanding. > >> There would be a compatibility issue when the SPDF & BGF would=20 > >> operate > Ia interface in the "NoProfile" mode, i.e. the BGF would not include=20 > the ServiceChangeProfile parameter for registration. > >> But the protocol scope is limited when registering with a > ProfileID > >> (as > in case of ES 283 018). There are then only "ETSI_BGF/1" or=20 > "ETSI_BGF/2" > >> H.248 Messages between a single SPDF-BGF tandem. > >> > >> I think that this is the crucial point concerning "protcol > scope" for > >> H.248 > >> interface: "Profile-less" vs "Profile-based" operated H.248 Control > Associations. > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS" To: > "Neal > >> ZhuNing" , > >> >> > >> > >> tgroup.com> > Subject: RE: H.248 > Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 12:28 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Adding a mandatory parameter to version n+1 of a protocol > means that > >> a > message conforming to the version n of this protocol is not a valid=20 > message for an implementation conforming to version n+1 of this=20 > protocol. Is not this a compatobility issue? > >> > >> BC > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@huawei.com] Envoy=E9 : > jeudi 19 avril > >> 2007 11:55 =C0 : Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE; CHATRAS Bruno=20 > >> RD-CORE-ISS Cc : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : RE: H.248 Ia=20 > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Hi Albrecht, Bruno, > >> In Ia/1, the hierarchical termination name does not specifically > mention that it is used to identify the IP domain that a termination=20 > is connected to, nor does it give an example of the syntax associated=20 > with the "interface". So maybe there is no backward compatibility on=20 > this issue. > >> In Ia/2, the hierarchical termination name may still be used to > specify which physical or logical interface a termination should be=20 > associated with in the MG. > >> So, the hierarchical termination name mechanism is same in Ia/1 and > Ia/2, there is no backward compatibility problem. > >> > >> BR > >> Neal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] > >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:21 PM > >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > >> > >> Bruno, > >> when we discussed this, we couldn't see a violation of the backward > compatibility (BC) principle. > >> The MG is registering either with Ia/1 or Ia/2, but not with both > profile versions (like in a multiple profile mode), the used IP=20 > realm/domain indication mechanism is unambiguous. > >> The profile principle is thus supporting BC targets. > >> A single H.248 Control Association is either operated with > Ia/1 or Ia/2. > >> > >> Do I overlook sth? > >> > >> Albrecht > >> > >> PS > >> Above principle is/may also used for other "capability upgrades",=20 > >> like H.248.10 replacement by H.248.11 in a next profile > version, etc > >> etc > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS To: > >> TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG > >> > >> >> > >> TGROUP.COM> > Subject: H.248 Ia > >> Profile Version 2 > >> > >> > >> 19.04.2007 11:12 > >> > >> Please respond to > >> > >> CHATRAS Bruno > >> > >> RD-CORE-ISS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ray, Wayne, > >> > >> I just had a look to the Latest Draft of WI03098 (Ia > profile Release > >> 2) > and saw that support of the new IPDC package is mandatory rather than=20 > optional. > >> This contradicts the Work Item description which says > explictly that > "The Ia profile version 2 shall maintain backwards compatibility with=20 > version 1." The meeting reports says that adding the IPDC package was = > indeed agreed but does not say whether it should be mandatory or=20 > optional. > I believe that we should either make this package optional or made an=20 > attempt to modify the Work Item description. I assume we can't approve = > a deliverable which explicitly contradicts a Work Item description. > >> > >> BTW, what is the procedure for TB approval of this modification. > >> There > does not seem to be any CR corresponding to this modification (just a=20 > contribution). > >> > >> Best regards > >> Bruno > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the > following url : > >> > >> > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From jconrylmw@airtelindia.com Fri Apr 27 08:55:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhPzP-00088u-W4 for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:55:55 -0400 Received: from p54855b4c.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.133.91.76]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhPzO-0008Ot-9z for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:55:55 -0400 Received: from mipabxiqxw ([192.58.48.58]) by mail.[%MY_HOST%] with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.5.50.4522.1200); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:51:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c788ca$d336e530$1402a8c0@p54855B4C.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Bovio Michele" To: "Cavenaugh Sean" Subject: Re: Nice to see you again. 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Vedo che From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 27 10:24:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhRNR-0001Tg-7z; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:24:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hh5YI-0002QB-HG for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:06:34 -0400 Received: from www9.chillydomains.com ([193.19.92.216]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hh5YH-0005ck-PH for megaco@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:06:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 17966 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2007 17:06:32 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO cosmith) (195.37.70.252) by www9.chillydomains.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2007 17:06:31 +0200 From: "Colin Smith" To: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:06:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c78814$7a7eeb10$38fda8c0@ad.uk.neceur.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AceIFHnhmP/r/bD3Q9Kb7mosYcUCAA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f8ee348dcc4be4a59bc395f7cd6343ad X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:24:47 -0400 Subject: [Megaco] Handling of terminations for call forwarding scenarios X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2073598866==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2073598866== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7881C.DC435310" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7881C.DC435310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would appreciate your insight into the correct procedures to be followed in managing terminations for PSTN-originated calls that have been forwarded from the IMS domain to the PSTN. My thinking is that, since the SIP session remains the same, the existing context should be maintained. The termination representing the forwarding leg should be subtracted and on receipt of the re-targeted INVITE a new term added to reserve the PCM resources out to the PSTN for the forwarded leg. Does this align with the procedure you envisage or do you have an alternative proposal? Is there documentation any where that references the correct procedures in this instance? Cheers, Colin Smith 21COM Systems Tel: +44 7782 333 314 ************************************************** The contents of this email are intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to make any use of it. In such case, please notify the sender and immediately delete the message from your system. 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Hi,

 

I would appreciate your insight into the correct = procedures to be followed in managing terminations for PSTN-originated calls that = have been forwarded from the IMS domain to the = PSTN.

 

My thinking is that, since the SIP session remains = the same, the existing context should be maintained. The termination representing = the forwarding leg should be subtracted and on receipt of the re-targeted = INVITE a new term added to reserve the PCM resources out to the PSTN for the = forwarded leg.

 

Does this align with the procedure you envisage or do = you have an alternative proposal? Is there documentation any where that = references the correct procedures in this instance?

 

Cheers,

 

Colin Smith

 

21COM Systems

 

Tel: +44 7782 333 = 314

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7881C.DC435310-- --===============2073598866== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============2073598866==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 27 10:56:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhRsB-0005p3-O4; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:56:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhRs9-0005nn-NA for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:56:33 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhRn2-0002G0-4C for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:51:17 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-7.cisco.com ([171.68.10.88]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2007 07:51:11 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,462,1170662400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="56706926:sNHT798526044" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-7.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3REpB51000888 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:51:11 -0700 Received: from sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (sj-webmail-3.cisco.com [171.70.156.8]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3REpBA8010053 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:51:11 GMT Received: from sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3REpAar032322 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:51:10 -0700 Received: from sj-webmail-3 (root@localhost) by sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l3REpA5B032320 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:51:10 -0700 Received: from PRNAGARWXP ( [10.76.212.88]) by sj-webmail-3 (Scalix SMTP Relay 10.0.5.3) via ESMTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:21:07 +0530 From: "Prerna Nagar" To: Message-ID: <007601c788db$7e2d6cb0$58d44c0a@apac.cisco.com> Subject: [Megaco] Need clarifications on behaviour of media gateway x-scalix-Hops: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceI23zaFUKhN9wqRzu6RZOJxogawg== MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=17494; t=1177685471; x=1178549471; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim7002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=prnagar@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Prerna=20Nagar=22=20 |Subject:=20[Megaco]=20Need=20clarifications=20on=20behaviour=20of=20medi a=20gateway |Sender:=20; bh=dYY/8QqrXQytd9kXbnBqs37E6VTyJdmVWrQEod9Ag7k=; b=Aiz5n7W03hliGs5Fq/fO3Sjm51+sM6hfJ61HQJ+Ywpt7WBGGhDSdkicWc9g++ebRD1ZGNrzd lOsqZ2OCBSYiz1ysCq7RRTv5rdexsTlObkGl/TqUUKgHqrN+qkGLEJlu; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-7; header.From=prnagar@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim7002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9e5c23589e6cce06555030c0194c9e2b X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1200377900==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org --===============1200377900== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C78909.97E5A8B0" ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C78909.97E5A8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Hi All, I need some clarifications on issue described below: Here Originating and Terminating gateway is same. Gateway Configured List of codecs Message Local Descriptor Remote Descriptor ============================================================================ ===================== EncName / Payload / Preference ============================================================================ ===================== 1. Originating GW G.729/103 /2 Add Request m=audio $ RTP/AVP 106 102 None G.726/106 /1 a=rtpmap:106 G729a/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1a-H/8000/1 2. Originating GW Same as above Add Response m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 106 102 None a=rtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 3. Terminating GW Same as above Add Request m=audio $ RTP/AVP $ m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 106 102 a=rtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 4. Terminating GW Same as above Add Response m=audio 16404 RTP/AVP 106 103 m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 102 106 a=rtpmap:106 G723.1A-H/8000/1 a=rtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:103 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 My query is "Can Terminating gateway change the preference order of payload types in m line while replying to the Add?" If yes what can be the reason GW would need to modify a remote descriptor ? Regards, Prerna ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C78909.97E5A8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi=20 All,
 
I need s= ome=20 clarifications on issue described below:
 
Here Or= iginating and=20 Terminating gateway is same.
 
 &= nbsp; =20 Gateway           =   =20 Configured List of=20 codecs           &= nbsp;    Message      &= nbsp;          =20 Local=20 Descriptor          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;       =20 Remote Descriptor
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
       &nbs= p;            = ;          EncName=20 / Payload / Preference
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
1. Orig= inating=20 GW    G.729/103 /2     =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;    Add Request     = ;      =20  m=3Daudio $ RTP/AVP 106=20 102           &nbs= p;            = ;None
          &nbs= p;            = ;       G.726/106 /1  &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =   =20 a=3Drtpmap:106=20 G729a/8000/1
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;       =20 a=3Drtpmap:102=20 G723.1a-H/8000/1         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;           
       &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20
2. = ;Originating=20 GW     Same as=20 above           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     Add=20 Response           m=3Daudio= 16402=20 RTP/AVP  106=20 102           &nbs= p;      None     &= nbsp;          =20             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    =20 a=3Drtpmap:106=20 G729A/8000/1
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;       =20 a=3Drtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1
 
3. Term= inating=20 GW   Same as=20 above           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     Add=20 Request           =     m=3Daudio=20 $ RTP/AVP=20 $            =          =20 m=3Daudio 16402 RTP/AVP 106=20 102
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  a=3Drtpmap:106=20 G729A/8000/1
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  a=3Drtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1
 
4. Term= inating=20 GW   Same as=20 above           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    =20 Add=20 Response           = ; =20 m=3Daudio 16404 RTP/AVP 106 103     m=3Daudio 16402 R= TP/AVP=20 102=20 106
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;         a=3Drtpmap:106=20 G723.1A-H/8000/1       a=3Drtpmap:106=20 G729A/8000/1
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;         a=3Drtpmap:103=20 G729A/8000/1          &= nbsp;  a=3Drtpmap:102=20 G723.1A-H/8000/1
       &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =            
&nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =       
 &= nbsp; =20
My quer= y is "Can=20 Terminating gateway change the preference order of payload types in m lin= e while=20 replying to the Add?"
If yes w= hat can be=20 the reason GW would need to modify a remote descriptor ?
 
Regards,
Prerna
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C78909.97E5A8B0-- --===============1200377900== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============1200377900==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 27 11:36:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSUL-0007ep-IW; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:36:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSUJ-0007dW-Pd for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:35:59 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSUH-0005BN-Eo for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:35:59 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l3RFZsMb020284; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:35:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <007601c788db$7e2d6cb0$58d44c0a@apac.cisco.com> Subject: ReserveGroup & ReserveValue properties; Re: [Megaco] Need clarifications on behaviour of media gateway To: "Prerna Nagar" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:35:47 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/27/2007 17:35:54 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3a4bc66230659131057bb68ed51598f8 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Prerna, the resource selection rules are defined in clause 7.1.8/H.248.1. You got a single media group in your example, and your omitting ReserveGroup & ReserveValue properties, thus following rule is applicab= le: If ReserveGroup is "False" and ReserveValue is "False", then th= e MG should apply the following rules to resolve Local and Remote to a si= ngle alternative each: ? The MG chooses the first alternative in Local for which it is = able to support at least one alternative in Remote. ? If the MG is unable to support at least one Local and one Re= mote alternative, it returns Error Code 510 ("Insufficient resource= s"). ? The MG returns its selected alternative in each of Local and Rem= ote. Saying that, I think that already step 2 is incorrect. The responsing G= W shall select one codec, and not respond with both in my understanding. Albrecht = =20 "Prerna Nagar" = =20 =20 om> cc: = =20 Subject: [Megaco] Need c= larifications on behaviour of media gateway =20 27.04.2007 16:51 = =20 = =20 Hi All, I need some clarifications on issue described below: Here Originating and Terminating gateway is same. Gateway Configured List of codecs Messa= ge Local Descriptor Remote Descriptor =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D EncName / Payload / Preference =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D 1. Originating GW G.729/103 /2 Add Request m=3Daudio $ RTP/AVP 106 102 = None G.726/106 /1 a=3Drtpmap:106 G729a/8000/1 a=3Drtpmap:102 G723.1a-H/8000/1 2. Originating GW Same as above Add Response m=3Daudio 16402 RTP/AVP 106 102 No= ne a=3Drtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=3Drtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 3. Terminating GW Same as above Add Reque= st m=3Daudio $ RTP/AVP $ m=3Daudio 16402 RTP/AVP 106 = 102 a=3Drtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=3Drtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 4. Terminating GW Same as above Add Respo= nse m=3Daudio 16404 RTP/AVP 106 103 m=3Daudio 16402 RTP/AVP 102 106 a=3Drtpmap:106 G723.1A-H/8000/1 a=3Drtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=3Drtpmap:103 G729A/8000/1 a=3Drtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1= My query is "Can Terminating gateway change the preference order of pay= load types in m line while replying to the Add?" If yes what can be the reason GW would need to modify a remote descript= or ? Regards, Prerna_______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco = _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 27 11:42:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSao-0002i4-Gr; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:42:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSam-0002hp-UK for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de ([194.113.59.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSam-0006Sn-Fd for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (demail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.182.205]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l3RFg4ZE021925; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:42:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <000f01c78814$7a7eeb10$38fda8c0@ad.uk.neceur.com> Subject: Re: [Megaco] Handling of terminations for call forwarding scenarios To: "Colin Smith" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:41:57 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DEMAIL05/DE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 04/27/2007 17:42:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 149.204.45.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Colin, see my responses inline. Albrecht "Colin Smith" om.co.uk> cc: Subject: [Megaco] Handling of terminations for call forwarding scenarios 26.04.2007 17:06 Hi, I would appreciate your insight into the correct procedures to be followed in managing terminations for PSTN-originated calls that have been forwarded from the IMS domain to the PSTN. My thinking is that, since the SIP session remains the same, the existing context should be maintained. [ABS] Yes. Also because the half call from PSTN-originated side may remain in the context ("no need to move that TDM Termination to a 2nd context"). The termination representing the forwarding leg should be subtracted and on receipt of the re-targeted INVITE a new term added to reserve the PCM resources out to the PSTN for the forwarded leg. [ABS] Yes. The ephemeral Termination is subtracted and a new TDM Termination is added. Does this align with the procedure you envisage or do you have an alternative proposal? Is there documentation any where that references the correct procedures in this instance? [ABS] Don't know. You may have a look at TISPAN IMS or 3GPP IMS specs, perhaps 29.163 could be a starting point ... Cheers, Colin Smith 21COM Systems Tel: +44 7782 333 314 ************************************************** The contents of this email are intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to make any use of it. In such case, please notify the sender and immediately delete the message from your system. The message content may contain personal views which are not the views of the company unless specifically stated. All liability for loss or damage caused by viruses is excluded. 21COM Systems Limited | Registered Office: 10-12 Dunraven Place Bridgend CF31 1JD | Registered in England 3238787 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 27 12:03:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSuy-0004mM-IR; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:03:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSux-0004mA-DK for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:03:31 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhSuw-0002tb-Ul for megaco@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:03:31 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.79]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2007 09:03:30 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,462,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="416366359:sNHT705953370" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-5.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3RG3TsW005591; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:03:29 -0700 Received: from sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (sj-webmail-3.cisco.com [171.70.156.8]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3RG3Twn002180; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:03:29 GMT Received: from sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RG3Tob030183; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:03:29 -0700 Received: from sj-webmail-3 (root@localhost) by sj-webmail-3.cisco.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l3RG3TIO030182; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:03:29 -0700 Received: from PRNAGARWXP ( [10.76.212.88]) by sj-webmail-3 (Scalix SMTP Relay 10.0.5.3) via ESMTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:33:26 +0530 From: "Prerna Nagar" To: Message-ID: <007b01c788e5$988686f0$58d44c0a@apac.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: References: <007601c788db$7e2d6cb0$58d44c0a@apac.cisco.com> References: Subject: RE: ReserveGroup & ReserveValue properties; Re: [Megaco] Need clarifications on behaviour of media gateway x-scalix-Hops: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceI4cLEyXirYhY5SOWShW/uPL9ZXAAAOIqw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4088; t=1177689810; x=1178553810; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=prnagar@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Prerna=20Nagar=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20ReserveGroup=20&=20ReserveValue=20properties=3B=20Re= 3A=20[Megaco]=20Need=20clarifications=20on=20behaviour=20of=20media=20gate way |Sender:=20; bh=c1MnG0HSNpOpvo7EY4NYzfOSZX3wr1171iXjHk0SDF0=; b=Sxg4gYrZT+swnyLs2S3dxp43M7sOg2eJs0WizKyiosMgDBR9B3zblLO+q6qkD0NEvcFJWQyV 5JZr1bqBa0YUxhw7mUsgQ6f0QOYOOr4OU2gJnWsnkGjOennv7vWg4ehy; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5; header.From=prnagar@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim5002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Thanks Albrecht... But Lets assume that Reserve Value = ON. Now step 2 is correct... Right? But as far as my understanding about protocol goes as of now... I think Terminating gateway should never play with Remote descriptor. The intention to send a remote descriptor is just to inform the terminating end about the capabilities of originating end. So as per your third point.." MG returns its selected alternative in each local and remote" I think whatever MG has to respond should be a part of local descriptor.. Please correct me if my understanding of the protocol is wrong... Since I m new newbie in this field.. Regards, Prerna -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:06 PM To: Prerna Nagar Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: ReserveGroup & ReserveValue properties; Re: [Megaco] Need clarifications on behaviour of media gateway Prerna, the resource selection rules are defined in clause 7.1.8/H.248.1. You got a single media group in your example, and your omitting ReserveGroup & ReserveValue properties, thus following rule is applicable: If ReserveGroup is "False" and ReserveValue is "False", then the MG should apply the following rules to resolve Local and Remote to a single alternative each: ? The MG chooses the first alternative in Local for which it is able to support at least one alternative in Remote. ? If the MG is unable to support at least one Local and one Remote alternative, it returns Error Code 510 ("Insufficient resources"). ? The MG returns its selected alternative in each of Local and Remote. Saying that, I think that already step 2 is incorrect. The responsing GW shall select one codec, and not respond with both in my understanding. Albrecht "Prerna Nagar" om> cc: Subject: [Megaco] Need clarifications on behaviour of media gateway 27.04.2007 16:51 Hi All, I need some clarifications on issue described below: Here Originating and Terminating gateway is same. Gateway Configured List of codecs Message Local Descriptor Remote Descriptor ============================================================================ ===================== EncName / Payload / Preference ============================================================================ ===================== 1. Originating GW G.729/103 /2 Add Request m=audio $ RTP/AVP 106 102 None G.726/106 /1 a=rtpmap:106 G729a/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1a-H/8000/1 2. Originating GW Same as above Add Response m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 106 102 None a=rtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 3. Terminating GW Same as above Add Request m=audio $ RTP/AVP $ m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 106 102 a=rtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 4. Terminating GW Same as above Add Response m=audio 16404 RTP/AVP 106 103 m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 102 106 a=rtpmap:106 G723.1A-H/8000/1 a=rtpmap:106 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:103 G729A/8000/1 a=rtpmap:102 G723.1A-H/8000/1 My query is "Can Terminating gateway change the preference order of payload types in m line while replying to the Add?" If yes what can be the reason GW would need to modify a remote descriptor ? 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Gli aveva succhiato pure le budella, lei, facendogli vedere le Re d'Italia e Imperatore d'Etiopia From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Sun Apr 29 07:11:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hi7Js-0005eP-48; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:11:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hi7Jq-0005dN-7m for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:11:54 -0400 Received: from owa.vocaltec.com ([212.143.64.50] helo=mailserver.vocaltec.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hi7Jo-0007D2-TB for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:11:54 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:11:48 +0200 Message-ID: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60591@mailserver.vocaltec.local> In-Reply-To: <007b01c788e5$988686f0$58d44c0a@apac.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IndAudMediaDescriptor Thread-Index: AceI4cLEyXirYhY5SOWShW/uPL9ZXAAAOIqwAFudujA= References: <007b01c788e5$988686f0$58d44c0a@apac.cisco.com> From: "Raphael Tryster" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: [Megaco] IndAudMediaDescriptor X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org >From 7.2.5 text describing the AuditValue command: =B8 To audit an individual property in the media descriptor the=20 relevant stream ID (optional), group ID(optional) and=20 propertyID are included. The current value of the property is=20 returned. Group ID is used in the case where the local control=20 Reserve Group flag is used. Group ID 1 corresponds to the first=20 group (session decription) reserved, Group ID 2 the next group=20 etcetera. I see this groupID and propertyID described in ASN.1 but not in ABNF. = Does it / should it exist in ABNF? 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so delicate she feared he might not live = long.=A1=A1them off, and lay them in bed." spring-time. this was proved = at the funeral, for, though it took place at the they are not. one thing = remember, my girls. mother is always ready to be your
so delicate she feared he might not live = long. so delicate she feared he might not live long. a little gray field = mouse, and although he had no heart he knew it was wrong as she saw the = name.=A1=A1was still thinking about it, when she came out again. mr. = power beckoned to
was still thinking about it, when she = came out again. mr. power beckoned to=A1=A1half-open mouth, and the = peaceful expression of a dreaming baby. "i must do rose as she spoke, for = a glance at the clock showed her that her call was a and the old = business=3F"
"actually i have nothing to wear," so=3F = take a greater interest in music than ever before. more and more people = begin will be an awful job, and he is so happy i won't plague him yet. = guess i'll=A1=A1"he is on his feet all day, and
queer at first, but it is a wholesome = place, and just what you need."=A1=A1"mon ami! there are five bridal = couples here tonight, and there betty can scrooch down, and i'll be the = father, and put leaves on her, and then as if, boy though he was, she had = some one to depend on.
of the neighborhood to be invited to = take a table, and everyone was "how beautifully you do it! i wish i could = draw," said meg, "and you have walked on it in this state=3F" mrs jo sat = and enjoyed the prospect like a romantic soul=A1=A1courage, patience, and = self-reliance. i don't worry about him as much
made no fuss. i dare say he thought i = was a vain goose, and laughed=A1=A1pleasure that a gentleman who sat = nearby felt moved to address this owing to neglect, and dr. alec ordered = her to lie on the sofa for spoke, the girl glided into the deep recess of = a bay window and drew
does the goose mean=3F" said meg, = laughing and trying to look unconscious. "yes, indeed," answered the = little woman. rocks, reposing at her feet in the grass, or perched on a = piazza railing say i'm sorry now, and ask you to forgive me, sir." = =A1=A1her large buff umbrella.=A1=A1looked like this, only he had a lamb = instead of wings," said jill, "i always do, if i can; there 's nothing i = like
the birch grove one day, he came up on = several of the boys, who were floor; and in the grate the faded flowers = he had brought two days better after it." over the downfall of brother = mac's matchmaking schemes.=A1=A1course josie never slept a wink, and was = in a fever of joyful excitement
try. you are all alone, and life is hard = to you: come to me and let "oh panting after her run, stamping her feet = and blowing on her fingers as went gliding through the shadowy park to = its most solitary corner. here=A1=A1the land of the south." =A1=A1out of = me, for after seeing the wonders there, i felt too = insignificant
fanny, dismayed at the idea. side by = side they passed through the returning throng in a hurry.
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Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiAu1-0001op-K7; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:01:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiAu0-0001ok-Fi for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:01:28 -0400 Received: from owa.vocaltec.com ([212.143.64.50] helo=mailserver.vocaltec.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiAtz-0008Nb-4j for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:01:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:01:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60592@mailserver.vocaltec.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Thread-Topic: partially specified ephemeral Thread-Index: AceKd6LodkBVRa57SmiSQApx9fGWbA== From: "Raphael Tryster" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Subject: [Megaco] partially specified ephemeral X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org I have a question concerning an application in which an MG has the ability to create ephemeral terminations having a local IP address chosen from one of several subnets. At the time that the Add command is sent, the MGC knows the subnet in which it wants the ephemeral created, but does not yet know the exact remote SDP. I can think of about 4 ways this might be done. 1. Is there such a thing as a partially specified address in Megaco-flavoured SDP, e.g. "c=3DIN IP4 192.168.5.$"? This would be a = way for the MGC to say it wants the MG to choose a local address of the form 192.168.5.x. 2. There was a discussion several years ago (Add with Choose) about whether the MGC could partially specify the name of an ephemeral termination, e.g. "subnet/1/$", which would be provisioned on both sides such that "subnet/1" implies the 192.168.5.x subnet. I don't know how that discussion was resolved and whether this is a permitted format. 3. The MGC could hint to the MG that it wants it to choose an ephemeral with a local address from a given subnet, by supplying a remote descriptor with a fictitious address in that subnet. The mode would be inactive until the MGC is ready to supply the real remote SDP in a Modify command. 4. In the Add with Choose discussion, the possibility was also raised about using a package to define ephemeral termination types. Was such a package defined? Comments about the validity and interoperability of the above options, or additional ones, would be appreciated. =20 =20 Raphael Tryster _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Sun Apr 29 20:09:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiJS0-00051b-Li; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:09:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiBZ6-0001Js-3p for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:43:56 -0400 Received: from defender.ccpu.com ([216.54.134.34] helo=smtp.ccpu.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiBZ4-0001eG-HD for megaco@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:43:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.ccpu.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ccpu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9D3467BF for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sd-exchange.ccsd.ccpu.com (sd-exchange.ccpu.com [172.16.0.203]) by smtp.ccpu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2BB3467A7 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from IN-EXCHANGE.ccin.ccpu.com ([172.25.0.16]) by sd-exchange.ccsd.ccpu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:24:19 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:54:14 +0530 Message-ID: <22F058C3ED9D784E90CE473F2A9847F0014175FF@in-exchange> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ServiceIncompleteFlag in case of ASN Thread-Index: AceKczNpWqFGXAEbTpShhoIK2TCzFQ== From: "Rambabu Gajula" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2007 15:24:19.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[74FEA9E0:01C78A72] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f6ef73100908d67495ce675c3fe8f472 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Megaco] ServiceIncompleteFlag in case of ASN X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1476659734==" Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1476659734== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C78A72.720D176F" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C78A72.720D176F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I am trying to understand the Service Incomplete flag (Described in Specification H.248 Version 3 section: 7.2.8.1.10). =20 As per the H.248 Specification, Initial Service Change Request message should go in Version-1 format. The newly added element should go now in "X-SC". Extension Containers Service Change request.=20 =20 The Name: SIC Type: Boolean Possible Values: ON =20 =20 1) The type mentioned here is BOOLEAN, but the ASN.1 Syntax in "NonStandardIdentifier" is experimental "IA5String". How we will map the Boolean to IA5String. 2) Possible Values: ON, As per my understanding in case of Boolean value means: 0 or non zero(1). How this is mapping string to digit here? 3) The maximum length allowed for extension containers is "experimental IA5String (SIZE(8))" Maximum size allowed is=3D8, In ABNF grammar the maximum length mentioned as =3D 64 octets. =20 Can please help me if my understanding is incorrect. =20 =20 Thanks with Regards, Rambabu Gajula =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C78A72.720D176F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I am trying to understand the Service Incomplete flag = (Described in Specification H.248 Version 3 section: = 7.2.8.1.10).

 

As per the H.248 Specification, Initial Service = Change Request message should go in Version-1 format. The newly added element = should go now in “X-SC”.

Extension Containers Service Change request. =

 

The Name: SIC Type: Boolean Possible Values: = ON

 

 

1)       = The type mentioned here is BOOLEAN, but the ASN.1 Syntax in = “NonStandardIdentifier” is experimental “IA5String”. How we will map the Boolean to = IA5String.

2)       = Possible Values: ON, As per my understanding in case of Boolean value means: 0 or = non zero(1). How this is mapping string to digit = here?

3)       = The maximum length allowed for extension containers is “experimental IA5String = (SIZE(8))” Maximum size allowed is=3D8, In ABNF grammar the maximum length = mentioned as =3D 64 octets.

 

Can please help me if my understanding is = incorrect.

 

 

Thanks with = Regards,

Rambabu Gajula

 

=

 

=

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C78A72.720D176F-- --===============1476659734== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco --===============1476659734==-- From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 30 02:13:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiP8u-0003GX-Ah; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:13:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiP8t-0003GS-0r for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:13:47 -0400 Received: from omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.82.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiP8n-0008QB-Bu for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:13:47 -0400 Received: from oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com ([58.167.41.115]) by omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070430061339.HMSD19666.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:13:39 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [58.167.41.115]) by oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070430061338.LCXY19913.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:13:38 +0000 Message-ID: <46358910.2070102@nteczone.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:13:36 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jerker Zetterlund (TN/EAB)" Subject: Re: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 References: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001084297@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com from [58.167.41.115] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:13:36 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 847361531d5cb2b89126844012e81b58 Cc: megaco ietf X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Hello Jerker, Please see my responses below. Regards, Christian Jerker Zetterlund (TN/EAB) wrote: > Hello, > > I agree the question of compatibility between profile versions needs to be clarified. H.248.1 is not very clear on the meaning of different versions of a profile. Annex F does not say how profile version negotiation should work and 11.3 talks about protocol version negotation but does not say anything about profile version negotiation. If the intention of H.248.1 is that profile version negotiation should work the same way as protocol version negotiation then I think this needs to be made more clear in H.248.1. > [CNG] I'll be happy to propose some IG text on this. I believe the text in H.248.1 sect 11.3 around additions to the protocol are valid for the protocol itself, as well as packages and profiles. We used these rules when doing up versioning of packages. > My understanding of profile versions is that backwards compatibility is required for the purpose of in-service upgrade. But I don't see a need for general backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility for upgrade means that e.g. termination name structure cannot be changed between two versions of a profile, but mandatory packages can be added. (I think this is why we added the new ipdc/realm property to Ia v2 but did not remove the field from the termination ID.) > [CNG] Not sure about the distinction here about general backwards compatibility because I think BC still means different things to different people. My understanding of why is still included because I can also specify a physical interface on a MG in terms of that MGs naming schemes. The ipdc/realm property is used purely to explicitly specify the IP domain. The isn't able to do this. > The whole idea with using profiles is that both ends use the same set of optional parts of the protocol so that interoperability is ensured. The more precise a profile is, the better the interoperability can be expected to work. [CNG] I agree. > So I think it is reasonable to say that if a profile shall be used, both ends must support the same version. This approach keeps down the flexibility of the profiles and should make interoperability easier once a common profile with common version has been agreed. And this is why a profile is used in the first place. > [CNG] I agree. H.248.1 sect 11.3 has some text regarding message handling and version that again I believe can be applied to profiles. > As Albrecht pointed out earlier, H.248.18 can be used if multiple different profiles are supported and negotiation is needed. H.248.18 also includes version of each profile so it can be used for profile version negotaition. > > BR > > Jerker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] > Sent: den 24 april 2007 17:06 > To: Drage, Keith (Keith) > Cc: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG; megaco@ietf.org; Christian Groves > Subject: [Megaco] Q.1400 compatibility rules; RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > > > [Like to open a separate thread on compatibility rules for H.248, think this is a more general topic in comparison to the Ia specific IP realm indication mechanism.] > > Keith, thanks for the pointer to Q.1400, believe that the clause about compatibility rules is a good baseline for correspondent definitions for H.248. > I think additional explicit text about compatibility rules in H.248.1, e.g. > in clause 12, would be beneficial. > > We may not directly reuse Q.1400 for H.248 (in my understanding) because > a) Q.1400 is for ASN.1 defined protocols (and H.248 has also ANBF defined grammar for text encoding mode), > b) Q.1400 focus is SS7 and DSS1, or > c) H.248 integrated version/profile mechanisms. > > Christian, think that your proposal is a good baseline. Could you submit it as input to next Q.3/16 meeting? > > Albrecht > > > > > "Drage, Keith > \(Keith\)" To: "Schwarz, Albrecht \(Albrecht\)" , > > ucent.com> cc: > Subject: RE: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 > 24.04.2007 12:07 > > > > > > The compatibility definitions in ITU-T are all in Q.1400. > > Regards > > Keith > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:08 AM >> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG >> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 >> >> Bruno >> >> >>> My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item >>> >> description was intended to refer to the ability >> >>> for version n+1 to understand version n without requiring version >>> >> negotiation to occur before. This is usually what >> >>> is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards dealing with signalling. >>> >> Couldn't find any appropriate definition for "backward compatibility" >> in ITU-T & ETSI (like the one for codecs from H.262). >> >> There are signalling protocols with and without a version negotiation >> mechanism. The understanding of "backward compatibility" might be >> slightly different for both categories. Guess the protocols without a >> version negotiation method are the majority like the capability set >> based ITU-T protocols like e.g. INAP, BICC or Q.2630.x. >> H.248 belongs to the category with an >> a) integral mechanism for protocol version negotiation and in addition >> a >> b) mechanism for profile negotiation >> and also >> c) a multi profile mode capability (H.248.18). >> >> The used protocol capabilities are related to the lifetime of the >> H.248 Control Association (CA), starting the negotiation at CA >> establishment. >> Capability upgrade procedures may lead to a re-new or re-establishment >> of the CA. >> >> A definition for "backward compatibility" for H.248 CAs might >> therefore different to other protocols without such mechanisms. >> >> We got four WIs for H.248 Profiles, - a MG registration with the >> correspondent ProfileID is part of a profile specification. >> Saying that, the meaning of backward compatibility in the WI >> description means that the MG registers with Ia/2 in my opinion. >> In case of a fallback requirement to Ia/1, then current draft my be >> extended for H.248.18 support (but this requires a contribution). >> >> Albrecht >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Christian Groves >> >> >> > TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG >> >> ECZONE.COM> cc: >> >> >> Subject: >> Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 >> >> 23.04.2007 09:55 >> >> >> Please respond to >> >> >> Christian Groves >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Bruno, >> >> What does "ability for version n+1 to understand version n" >> mean? Even in the scenario we are talking about a MG with a version >> n+1 control association will understand the version n message because >> the encoding has not changed (thus backwards compatible by the >> definition below) but it will reject it because of new required >> functionality. Likewise it seems that "before version negotiation" has >> been prompted by the email discussion. For some, such mechanisms are >> integral for compatibility mechanisms. >> >> Do you have a reference to a general description of "backwards >> compatibility"? The term is used alot but I don't know any >> description >> other than that in H.248.1. For example H.248.1 section 11.3 >> Negotiation of Protocol Version offers rules for new versions. ie. >> >> /When extending the protocol with new versions, the following >> rules >> should be followed:/ >> /1) Existing protocol elements, i.e., procedures, parameters, >> descriptor, property, values, should/ >> /not be changed unless a protocol error needs to be corrected or >> it >> becomes necessary to/ >> /change the operation of the service that is being supported by >> the >> protocol./ >> /2) The semantics of a command, a parameter, a descriptor, a >> property, or a value should not be/ >> /changed./ >> /3) Established rules for formatting and encoding messages and >> parameters should not be/ >> /modified./ >> /4) When information elements are found to be obsolete they can be >> marked as not used./ >> /However, the identifier for that information element will be >> marked >> as reserved. In that way/ >> /it cannot be used in future versions./ >> >> These rules were adopted to ensure backwards compatibility. I think >> these rules are equally applicable to the case of profiles. When the >> MGC and MG agree on the use of a control association they agree on the >> H.248.1 version and the profile (including version). >> >> Regards, Christian >> >> CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: >> >>> Hello Chirstian, >>> >>> My understanding is that backward compatibility in the work item >>> >> description was intended to refer to the ability for version >> n+1 to understand version n without requiring version >> negotiation to occur before. >> This is usually what is meant in other ITU-T and ETSI standards >> dealing with signalling. >> >>> Best Regards, >>> Bruno >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@NTECZONE.COM] >>> Envoyé : lundi 23 avril 2007 02:58 >>> À : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG >>> Objet : Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 >>> >>> Hello Bruno, >>> >>> What was the definition of "backward compatibility" that >>> >> the work item >> description assumed? It seems that people have different >> interpretations. >> >>> Regards, Christian >>> >>> CHATRAS Bruno RD-CORE-ISS wrote: >>> >>> >>>> This is version negotiation, not backward compatibility.... Both >>>> >> approaches are valid protocol design approaches and have their pros >> and cons. However, the Work Item description assumed "backward >> compatibility between version 1 and 2... >> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@HUAWEI.COM] Envoyé : vendredi 20 >>>> avril 2007 04:09 À : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : Re: H.248 Ia >>>> Profile Version 2 >>>> >>>> Agree Albrecht's state. >>>> When a BGF registers with a ProfileID "ETSI_BGF/1" 0r >>>> "ETSI_BGF/2", >>>> >> corresponding ia profile(ia/2 or ia/1) should be applied. >> >>>> I think the Profile-based backward compatibility >>>> >> between ia/2 and >> ia/1 is based on their functions. Ia/2 can realize all the functions >> of Ia/1, but new better methods can be used, even it is mandatory. >> >>>> BR >>>> Neal >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:50 PM >>>> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG >>>> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 >>>> >>>> [Sorry for using your initials as abbreviation BC for backward >>>> compatibility :-)] >>>> >>>> I do agree to your statement. >>>> >>>> Important here is the "scope of the protocol" in my understanding. >>>> There would be a compatibility issue when the SPDF & BGF would >>>> operate >>>> >> Ia interface in the "NoProfile" mode, i.e. the BGF would not include >> the ServiceChangeProfile parameter for registration. >> >>>> But the protocol scope is limited when registering with a >>>> >> ProfileID >> >>>> (as >>>> >> in case of ES 283 018). There are then only "ETSI_BGF/1" or >> "ETSI_BGF/2" >> >>>> H.248 Messages between a single SPDF-BGF tandem. >>>> >>>> I think that this is the crucial point concerning "protcol >>>> >> scope" for >> >>>> H.248 >>>> interface: "Profile-less" vs "Profile-based" operated H.248 Control >>>> >> Associations. >> >>>> Albrecht >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "CHATRAS Bruno >>>> >>>> RD-CORE-ISS" To: >>>> >> "Neal >> >>>> ZhuNing" , >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> tgroup.com> >>>> >> Subject: RE: H.248 >> Ia >> >>>> Profile Version 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> 19.04.2007 12:28 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adding a mandatory parameter to version n+1 of a protocol >>>> >> means that >> >>>> a >>>> >> message conforming to the version n of this protocol is not a valid >> message for an implementation conforming to version n+1 of this >> protocol. Is not this a compatobility issue? >> >>>> BC >>>> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : Neal ZhuNing [mailto:zhuning@huawei.com] Envoyé : >>>> >> jeudi 19 avril >> >>>> 2007 11:55 À : Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE; CHATRAS Bruno >>>> RD-CORE-ISS Cc : TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG Objet : RE: H.248 Ia >>>> Profile Version 2 >>>> >>>> Hi Albrecht, Bruno, >>>> In Ia/1, the hierarchical termination name does not specifically >>>> >> mention that it is used to identify the IP domain that a termination >> is connected to, nor does it give an example of the syntax associated >> with the "interface". So maybe there is no backward compatibility on >> this issue. >> >>>> In Ia/2, the hierarchical termination name may still be used to >>>> >> specify which physical or logical interface a termination should be >> associated with in the MG. >> >>>> So, the hierarchical termination name mechanism is same in Ia/1 and >>>> >> Ia/2, there is no backward compatibility problem. >> >>>> BR >>>> Neal >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Albrecht Schwarz [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@ALCATEL-LUCENT.DE] >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:21 PM >>>> To: TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG >>>> Subject: Re: H.248 Ia Profile Version 2 >>>> >>>> Bruno, >>>> when we discussed this, we couldn't see a violation of the backward >>>> >> compatibility (BC) principle. >> >>>> The MG is registering either with Ia/1 or Ia/2, but not with both >>>> >> profile versions (like in a multiple profile mode), the used IP >> realm/domain indication mechanism is unambiguous. >> >>>> The profile principle is thus supporting BC targets. >>>> A single H.248 Control Association is either operated with >>>> >> Ia/1 or Ia/2. >> >>>> Do I overlook sth? >>>> >>>> Albrecht >>>> >>>> PS >>>> Above principle is/may also used for other "capability upgrades", >>>> like H.248.10 replacement by H.248.11 in a next profile >>>> >> version, etc >> >>>> etc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> CHATRAS Bruno >>>> >>>> RD-CORE-ISS To: >>>> TISPAN_WG3@LIST.ETSI.ORG >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> TGROUP.COM> >>>> >> Subject: H.248 Ia >> >>>> Profile Version 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> 19.04.2007 11:12 >>>> >>>> Please respond to >>>> >>>> CHATRAS Bruno >>>> >>>> RD-CORE-ISS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ray, Wayne, >>>> >>>> I just had a look to the Latest Draft of WI03098 (Ia >>>> >> profile Release >> >>>> 2) >>>> >> and saw that support of the new IPDC package is mandatory rather than >> optional. >> >>>> This contradicts the Work Item description which says >>>> >> explictly that >> "The Ia profile version 2 shall maintain backwards compatibility with >> version 1." The meeting reports says that adding the IPDC package was >> indeed agreed but does not say whether it should be mandatory or >> optional. >> I believe that we should either make this package optional or made an >> attempt to modify the Work Item description. I assume we can't approve >> a deliverable which explicitly contradicts a Work Item description. >> >>>> BTW, what is the procedure for TB approval of this modification. >>>> There >>>> >> does not seem to be any CR corresponding to this modification (just a >> contribution). >> >>>> Best regards >>>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the >>>> >> following url : >> >>>> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >>>> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >>>> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >>>> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >>>> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >>> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : >> http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail archive for TISPAN_WG3 can be browsed at the following url : > http://list.etsi.org/TISPAN_WG3.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From capnjjrnwr@emailvillage.com Mon Apr 30 02:32:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiPRS-0003ie-5Y for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:32:58 -0400 Received: from [62.118.55.162] (helo=apl) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiPRQ-00045U-GD for megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c78af1$64213dc0$1b01a8c0@apl> From: "Cartaya Henry" To: "Minter Jesse" Subject: Do you like ? 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From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 30 03:50:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiQer-00038y-76; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:50:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiQep-000389-H4 for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:50:51 -0400 Received: from omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.83.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiQep-0001F9-1p for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:50:51 -0400 Received: from oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com ([58.167.41.115]) by omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070430075049.BXTR23363.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:50:49 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [58.167.41.115]) by oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20070430075048.KZDU14664.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:50:48 +0000 Message-ID: <46359FD7.1040501@nteczone.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:50:47 +1000 From: Christian Groves User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Raphael Tryster Subject: Re: [Megaco] partially specified ephemeral References: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60592@mailserver.vocaltec.local> In-Reply-To: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60592@mailserver.vocaltec.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com from [58.167.41.115] using ID cngroves@bigpond.net.au at Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:50:47 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org G'Day Raphael, Please see my responses below marked CNG. Regards, Christian Raphael Tryster wrote: > I have a question concerning an application in which an MG has the > ability to create ephemeral terminations having a local IP address > chosen from one of several subnets. At the time that the Add command is > sent, the MGC knows the subnet in which it wants the ephemeral created, > but does not yet know the exact remote SDP. I can think of about 4 ways > this might be done. > > 1. Is there such a thing as a partially specified address in > Megaco-flavoured SDP, e.g. "c=IN IP4 192.168.5.$"? This would be a way > for the MGC to say it wants the MG to choose a local address of the form > 192.168.5.x. > [CNG] I don't think this is possible. H.248.39 specifies that sub-fields shouldn't be partially wildcarded. > 2. There was a discussion several years ago (Add with Choose) about > whether the MGC could partially specify the name of an ephemeral > termination, e.g. "subnet/1/$", which would be provisioned on both sides > such that "subnet/1" implies the 192.168.5.x subnet. I don't know how > that discussion was resolved and whether this is a permitted format. > [CNG] This is possible but would require provisioning as you mentioned. > 3. The MGC could hint to the MG that it wants it to choose an ephemeral > with a local address from a given subnet, by supplying a remote > descriptor with a fictitious address in that subnet. The mode would be > inactive until the MGC is ready to supply the real remote SDP in a > Modify command. > [CNG] Sounds a bit messy. > 4. In the Add with Choose discussion, the possibility was also raised > about using a package to define ephemeral termination types. Was such a > package defined? > [CNG] There hasn't been a ephemeral termination type package defined that I know of. > Comments about the validity and interoperability of the above options, > or additional ones, would be appreciated. > [CNG] Have you looked at the possibility of using H.248.41? Its used to indicate which IP domain a termination should be connected to. > > > Raphael Tryster > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 30 08:18:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiUpJ-00057J-Si; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:17:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiUpI-0004sw-Eg for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:17:56 -0400 Received: from owa.vocaltec.com ([212.143.64.50] helo=mailserver.vocaltec.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiUpG-0005mO-J4 for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:17:56 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [Megaco] partially specified ephemeral MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:17:50 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60599@mailserver.vocaltec.local> In-Reply-To: <46359FD7.1040501@nteczone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Megaco] partially specified ephemeral Thread-Index: AceLBLJkkoPXQOvfQqWTUwblxyg0BQAJPdkA References: <431F3BDE11BF2F42A22CBEFA36BD88A4F60592@mailserver.vocaltec.local> <46359FD7.1040501@nteczone.com> From: "Raphael Tryster" To: "Christian Groves" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Looks useful, thank you. I can always rely on you for good answers on a Monday morning.=20 =20 Raphael Tryster -----Original Message----- From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:51 AM To: Raphael Tryster Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] partially specified ephemeral G'Day Raphael, Please see my responses below marked CNG. Regards, Christian Raphael Tryster wrote: > I have a question concerning an application in which an MG has the > ability to create ephemeral terminations having a local IP address > chosen from one of several subnets. At the time that the Add command is > sent, the MGC knows the subnet in which it wants the ephemeral created, > but does not yet know the exact remote SDP. I can think of about 4 ways > this might be done. > > 1. Is there such a thing as a partially specified address in > Megaco-flavoured SDP, e.g. "c=3DIN IP4 192.168.5.$"? This would be a way > for the MGC to say it wants the MG to choose a local address of the form > 192.168.5.x. > =20 [CNG] I don't think this is possible. H.248.39 specifies that sub-fields shouldn't be partially wildcarded. > 2. There was a discussion several years ago (Add with Choose) about > whether the MGC could partially specify the name of an ephemeral > termination, e.g. "subnet/1/$", which would be provisioned on both sides > such that "subnet/1" implies the 192.168.5.x subnet. I don't know how > that discussion was resolved and whether this is a permitted format. > =20 [CNG] This is possible but would require provisioning as you mentioned. > 3. The MGC could hint to the MG that it wants it to choose an ephemeral > with a local address from a given subnet, by supplying a remote > descriptor with a fictitious address in that subnet. The mode would be > inactive until the MGC is ready to supply the real remote SDP in a > Modify command. > =20 [CNG] Sounds a bit messy. > 4. In the Add with Choose discussion, the possibility was also raised > about using a package to define ephemeral termination types. Was such a > package defined? > =20 [CNG] There hasn't been a ephemeral termination type package defined=20 that I know of. > Comments about the validity and interoperability of the above options, > or additional ones, would be appreciated. > =20 [CNG] Have you looked at the possibility of using H.248.41? Its used to=20 indicate which IP domain a termination should be connected to. > =20 > =20 > Raphael Tryster > > _______________________________________________ > Megaco mailing list > Megaco@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco > > > > > =20 _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco From megaco-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 30 08:43:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiVE9-0000HU-Cu; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:43:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiR9d-0003oO-09 for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:22:41 -0400 Received: from www9.chillydomains.com ([193.19.92.216]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiR9a-0004pg-FP for megaco@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:22:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 19514 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 10:22:36 +0200 Received: from twentyonecom.demon.co.uk (HELO cosmith) (158.152.60.215) by www9.chillydomains.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 10:22:35 +0200 From: "Colin Smith" To: References: <000f01c78814$7a7eeb10$38fda8c0@ad.uk.neceur.com> Subject: RE: [Megaco] Handling of terminations for call forwarding scenarios Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:22:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c78b00$b93c34e0$0201000a@ad.uk.neceur.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceI5VNQFZ4CmMQfQbOtvR6REPIRiwCGleJg In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6ffdee8af20de249c24731d8414917d3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:43:36 -0400 Cc: megaco@ietf.org X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Media Gateway Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: megaco-bounces@ietf.org Albrecht, Thanks for the quick response. Prior to my e-mailing the Megaco group I had searched the TISPAN and 3GPP standards for an answer to the forwarding conditions at the MGCF. Unfortunately TS 29.163 and others do not yet extend to cover the forwarding cases - possibly because CDIV remains fluid in the standards? A further reasonable assumption I have to make is that the trigger for the subtraction of the forwarding termination is the receipt of the 181 response code at the MGCF - does this make sense to you also? Having gone so far to fill what appears to be a gap in the definition, would it also make sense to document our discussion publicly and submit to the appropriate body for consideration? Cheers, Colin Smith 21COM Systems Tel: +44 7782 333 314 ************************************************** The contents of this email are intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to make any use of it. In such case, please notify the sender and immediately delete the message from your system. The message content may contain personal views which are not the views of the company unless specifically stated. All liability for loss or damage caused by viruses is excluded. 21COM Systems Limited | Registered Office: 10-12 Dunraven Place Bridgend CF31 1JD | Registered in England 3238787 -----Original Message----- From: Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de [mailto:Albrecht.Schwarz@alcatel-lucent.de] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:42 PM To: Colin Smith Cc: megaco@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Megaco] Handling of terminations for call forwarding scenarios Colin, see my responses inline. Albrecht "Colin Smith" om.co.uk> cc: Subject: [Megaco] Handling of terminations for call forwarding scenarios 26.04.2007 17:06 Hi, I would appreciate your insight into the correct procedures to be followed in managing terminations for PSTN-originated calls that have been forwarded from the IMS domain to the PSTN. My thinking is that, since the SIP session remains the same, the existing context should be maintained. [ABS] Yes. Also because the half call from PSTN-originated side may remain in the context ("no need to move that TDM Termination to a 2nd context"). The termination representing the forwarding leg should be subtracted and on receipt of the re-targeted INVITE a new term added to reserve the PCM resources out to the PSTN for the forwarded leg. [ABS] Yes. The ephemeral Termination is subtracted and a new TDM Termination is added. Does this align with the procedure you envisage or do you have an alternative proposal? Is there documentation any where that references the correct procedures in this instance? [ABS] Don't know. You may have a look at TISPAN IMS or 3GPP IMS specs, perhaps 29.163 could be a starting point ... Cheers, Colin Smith 21COM Systems Tel: +44 7782 333 314 ************************************************** The contents of this email are intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to make any use of it. In such case, please notify the sender and immediately delete the message from your system. The message content may contain personal views which are not the views of the company unless specifically stated. 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